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Title: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 07, 02:10 PM 2013
I thought I would try this over here.

There are 10 ec bets in the lines (1-6, 7-12 etc)
123 456
124 356
125 346
126 345
234 156
235 146
236 145
245 136
246 135
256 134

I have made a basic tracker (its very basic!) which I have used to great effect. You can play what ever you like!

I play this

Series of 2 are more common than higher series by probability, so I play for a series of 3 or more ending.

x
x
x
   x
x
x
x

   x
   x
x
   x
   x
   x
   x
x

if I see this, I play back the other way to produce a single.

Its a known way of playing Series and singles.

However, these can be hard to see with only 3 ECs (HL, OE, RB)

With the tracker, we see a bet nearly every spin.

I am playing a  mini marty of 1,2

EX, 124 has hit 4 times and switches to 356

I bet 1u on lines 1,2,4 for 2 spins.

a double loss ends the session.

The marty isnt often needed, and if it is, a 2 series is formed with a win on the 2nd strand of the mini marty.

A 2 series has a higher probability of forming.

This was tonight on Dublinbet. I played 2,2,2  and 4,4,4

I aimed for 12 euro, and got to 134 euro!!.....why stop?. Then a double loss and the marty lost both legs.

If there are more than one choice, I pick the line with the history of most series recently.

Comments welcome.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 07, 05:38 PM 2013
Dublin bet

1 double loss stops the session. I could of upped my 222...444 once I was well in profit at any time and would have 300-400 Euros

73 spins.

Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: biagle on Oct 07, 06:03 PM 2013
can you give some examples how are you playing with numbers
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 07, 06:51 PM 2013
Quote from: biagle on Oct 07, 06:03 PM 2013
can you give some examples how are you playing with numbers

I will post a session in the side of the tracker tomorrow with where the bet was made etc.

The idea is this....based on variance ending and probability. It may be misguided....but its not random betting.

Series and singles even out . If there are 6 series, and a single, its an idea to play for some singles. If there are a few series, then play for a single. RBBRRRBBRRBBBR play for B. if its red, hence another series, the probability is better for it to stay a series of 2.

1/4 of all spins are RR or BB, 1/8th are RRR BBB and so on,  hence the 2 step marty. The 2 step marty saved the session 8 times. The rest were straight wins, or tracks. I'm not playing a series of 2. 3 or more with not a lot of singles recently. its probably not bot-able.

of course, the series and singles are not RB here, but 3 lines vs 3 lines, and there are 10 of them.

But....these are extraordinary results above......I only want to make 12 Euros per table.....aiming for 18, not playing the marty at 18.

Past that, why stop.

This was table 1, 2

Table 3 was 18 Euros at end of session from a double loss from 36 Euro. A double loss stops the session. stop-loss is -18.

How can you lose? if you try again, and lose, you lose 36 Euros. No biggie

The only way to lose 18 is to lose the first 2 bets, if you had 6, a double loss leaves you losing 12

if you had 12, a double loss leaves you losing 6.....if you had 18....there is no double loss. You take one loss and stop at 12.

We dont pass back through 12.

Same for 24...you take one loss and leave with 18....or you pass through the 12.

Hope you get all this rubb.ish....lol
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: GLC on Oct 07, 11:24 PM 2013
Turner,  I just noticed this topic. 

Makes perfect sense to me.

Why do you wait for a series of 3?  Couldn't we start betting for a series of 2 to end and have even more bets?  For that matter a series of 1?  Or can 1 be a series?

You're the philosopher.  What do you think?

Thanks
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 08, 02:46 AM 2013
George...i see your avatar has matured.

1 is a single.....the rest are series.
There are equal ammounts eventually....single vs series
RR will show 1/4 of the time.....R will show 1/2.
The trouble with picking a series of 2 for me is there are more of them. Its not clear instantly which to go with.
3s are rarer..and stick out more.
Not so bad on RB...as these events are spread out. But here...there are 10.
Dublin bet can be quick
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 08, 04:13 AM 2013
Sorry...bad habit. Singles are series...I always say singles and series. I mean series of 1...series of more than 1.

Ive never got borrow and lend either. I say borrow for everything...."can I borrow your phone?"..."  I'll borrow you my phone"

Feckin idio.t if you ask me
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: teo on Oct 08, 07:16 AM 2013
New beard George.

Sad so little comments here......I don't comment roulette any longer,but must notice
that many eren't aware what they are missing.....or are they.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 08, 07:52 AM 2013
Well....interest from GLC and F_LAT_INO...what more could a man want
Its clear to see your DNA in this idea....with a pinch of Drazen and Bayes.... so I take little credit
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: warrior on Oct 08, 09:02 AM 2013
Turner I don't comment much myself ,but good job on this one it can make a few unit ,and not to risky.this was called the spring back stratagie.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 09, 08:41 AM 2013
Sorry forgot to mention Ego.....this was conceived mainly from our PM chats on SD, 122., John Patrick and series amongst other things
The only idea of mine is creating 10 ECs from lines.
As the great F_LAT_INO said in Betselection.cc.. A good try Turner....now what?

I'm trying to create some "now what's"

BTW....a good book.
The Roulette Winner - Lee Tutor
I refer to it continuously. Its like a roulette manual.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: holymoly on Oct 09, 01:18 PM 2013
Hi Turner,if you live in the UK,why are you using Euros and not GB sterling?  ??? ???
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: TwoCatSam on Oct 09, 01:48 PM 2013
Turner

I am eagerly awaiting a few hours to work on your idea.  I should have done this instead of that silly 17-21 thing!  Sorry, Ol' Bean.  Didn't mean to disrespect you but I feel I did.

I will need help on it!!

Sam
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: munirchittagong on Oct 09, 03:04 PM 2013
Quote from: Turner on Oct 09, 08:41 AM 2013
Sorry forgot to mention Ego.....this was conceived mainly from our PM chats on SD, 122., John Patrick and series amongst other things
The only idea of mine is creating 10 ECs from lines.
As the great F_LAT_INO said in Betselection.cc.. A good try Turner....now what?

I'm trying to create some "now what's"

by the way....a good book.
The Roulette Winner - Lee Tutor
I refer to it continuously. Its like a roulette manual.


I have been reading this forum everyday for last 3 years. Most of the guys r scammer. What a shame !!!! I m not saying everybody. This guy Turner, I thought he is an honest n pro player. But from his this referring the book Lee Tutor, I can definitely say he is a real scammer. I bought that book. Full of rubbish. Buyer n dreamer beware....
Mun
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: GLC on Oct 09, 03:46 PM 2013
Quote from: munirchittagong on Oct 09, 03:04 PM 2013

I have been reading this forum everyday for last 3 years. Most of the guys r scammer. What a shame !!!! I m not saying everybody. This guy Turner, I thought he is an honest n pro player. But from his this referring the book Lee Tutor, I can definitely say he is a real scammer. I bought that book. Full of nonsense. Buyer n dreamer beware....
Mun

Turner,  These are pretty strong words.  Sounds like a challenge to a duel.

Just kidding.  I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

I was going to ask you to give us some nuggets of wisdom that you might have garnered from said book.  You know, maybe a short book report like I did on Morton's book. 

GLC
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: TwoCatSam on Oct 09, 04:05 PM 2013
Quote from: GLC on Oct 09, 03:46 PM 2013
Turner,  These are pretty strong words.  Sounds like a challenge to a duel.

Just kidding.  I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

I was going to ask you to give us some nuggets of wisdom that you might have garnered from said book.  You know, maybe a short book report like I did on Morton's book. 

GLC

GLC

You mistakenly directed your post to Turner, no?

Turner a scammer!!  Good grief!!  He's touchy about being called the "B" word but he's no scammer.  I've recommended books myself and I never got paid a penny.  I'm sure he won't either.

Did I read all this wrong??

Sam
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: rouletteKEY on Oct 09, 04:23 PM 2013
Quote from: munirchittagong on Oct 09, 03:04 PM 2013

I have been reading this forum everyday for last 3 years. Most of the guys r scammer. What a shame !!!! I m not saying everybody. This guy Turner, I thought he is an honest n pro player. But from his this referring the book Lee Tutor, I can definitely say he is a real scammer. I bought that book. Full of nonsense. Buyer n dreamer beware....
Mun
Mun
I have not read the referenced book so I cannot comment there...BUT...If you've been reading this forum for three years then surely you realize that your post is the thing that's "full of nonsense" if you are calling Turner a scammer based on a book reference.

Turner
...if you have been lurking for some 1500 posts to spring your evil plan on us... and said evil plan is to somehow get your cut off a $9 ebook on Amazon...then you have the patience to play a single number or maybe even two at a time and you can quit messing with these EC's (straight up or self-made)  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 09, 05:51 PM 2013
Quote from: holymoly on Oct 09, 01:18 PM 2013
Hi Turner,if you live in the UK,why are you using Euros and not GB sterling?  ??? ???

Dublin bet is in....(drumroll).......Dublin!  ......The website is in Euros
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 09, 05:53 PM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 09, 01:48 PM 2013
Turner

I am eagerly awaiting a few hours to work on your idea.  I should have done this instead of that silly 17-21 thing!  Sorry, Ol' Bean.  Didn't mean to disrespect you but I feel I did.

I will need help on it!!

Sam

I can help no probs.

BTW.....how can you possibly disrespect me you silly sausage
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 09, 05:55 PM 2013
Quote from: munirchittagong on Oct 09, 03:04 PM 2013

I have been reading this forum everyday for last 3 years. Most of the guys r scammer. What a shame !!!! I m not saying everybody. This guy Turner, I thought he is an honest n pro player. But from his this referring the book Lee Tutor, I can definitely say he is a real scammer. I bought that book. Full of nonsense. Buyer n dreamer beware....
Mun

Garnabby....lol  you are a Knob
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 09, 06:05 PM 2013
Quote from: GLC on Oct 09, 03:46 PM 2013
Turner,  These are pretty strong words.  Sounds like a challenge to a duel.

Just kidding.  I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

I was going to ask you to give us some nuggets of wisdom that you might have garnered from said book.  You know, maybe a short book report like I did on Morton's book. 

GLC

george...lucky for me, i don't have to justify what I buy to Garnabby

i found tutors book the step i needed. I'm weak on probability and maths, but he goes into great detail.

The systems are endless...covering carpet...not so good, but the detail in probability and maths, especially in series has improved my knowledge.

i got the book on recommendation in a post here, or more likely over at Vics.

Edit: Bayes reccomended it in betselection.cc

what I have noticed is over the years, my learning, as i look back, was dated. Turbogenius....very dated....John patrick...hmmm...seems a bit stinted, and dated. Look at his photocopied scanned ebooks. not moving with the times. look at his comb-over???

i just felt Tutors book was modern, written in 2013.

i read Brett Mortons book in the summer, on holiday. Wise MM words learned me a lot. You can see the knock on effect in my post here about having happy money and stopping with it etc....but his system ideas seemed old and dated.

When i studied chess heavily, I always kept up to date with new books. Some old books are dated in ideas.

Just my way....keep up with the latest writings.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 09, 06:11 PM 2013
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Oct 09, 04:23 PM 2013
Mun
I have not read the referenced book so I cannot comment there...BUT...If you've been reading this forum for three years then surely you realize that your post is the thing that's "full of nonsense" if you are calling Turner a scammer based on a book reference.

Turner
...if you have been lurking for some 1500 posts to spring your evil plan on us... and said evil plan is to somehow get your cut off a $9 ebook on Amazon...then you have the patience to play a single number or maybe even two at a time and you can quit messing with these ECs (straight up or self-made)  ;) ;)

I learn...I leave. I am weak on ECs.....so I am learning. If you read my posts, Ive been carping on about un-natural lines for ever. it just a natural progression in my thinking to apply it to what I am currently doing.

Ive done LOTT, streets, touching numbers, Quads of 4. During my quads of 4 period...you can see my betting changing to covering the table more and more. ECs follow more patterns predictably than anything else I have looked at.

I am excited again having got lost in the maze of inside bets.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: munirchittagong on Oct 09, 06:12 PM 2013
Quote from: GLC on Oct 09, 03:46 PM 2013
Turner,  These are pretty strong words.  Sounds like a challenge to a duel.

Just kidding.  I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

I was going to ask you to give us some nuggets of wisdom that you might have garnered from said book.  You know, maybe a short book report like I did on Morton's book. 

GLC


GLC

Its Turner's turn to give a short book report as u did on Brett Morton's book. Color graphics of table or wheel layout and how to place the bets and what are the payouts do not mean it is a good book. It can easily be found at internet. An educated scam. If you don't give a system you made or can not explain the way you play as a pro player, what the FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK you publish a book and sell it ?

Mun
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 09, 06:19 PM 2013
Quote from: munirchittagong on Oct 09, 06:12 PM 2013

GLC

Its Turner's turn to give a short book report as u did on Brett Morton's book. Color graphics of table or wheel layout and how to place the bets and what are the payouts do not mean it is a good book. It can easily be found at internet. An educated scam. If you don't give a system you made or can not explain the way you play as a pro player, what the FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK you publish a book and sell it ?

Mun

Just ignore Garnabby...(sorry, we already do) .He can't stand to see people getting on.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: GLC on Oct 09, 07:05 PM 2013
I try to never respond to Garnabby.  I've been reprimanded by the mods for it.

@ TCS.  I was talking to Turner about the attack by Chitty Chitty Bang Bang or whatever his name is.  On re-reading my post, I can see how it might appear that I was accusing Turner of the quote.  But not so.

@ Turner:  Okay, please don't bore us with the math. 

P.S.  I've been in a little tif with Compa, Garnabby and very mild with Robeenhuut.  Not bad considering 2918 posts.  I must be an overall nice guy, if I say so myself.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: TwoCatSam on Oct 10, 11:08 AM 2013
Turner

Don't understand what you are doing.  Are you waiting for three or more lines to hit, then switch and then bet they will switch back?

x
x
x
x..........Now we bet for a return to the series?

Sam
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 10, 11:58 AM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 10, 11:08 AM 2013
Turner

Don't understand what you are doing.  Are you waiting for three or more lines to hit, then switch and then bet they will switch back?

x
x
x
x..........Now we bet for a return to the series?

Sam
Yes and no...LoL
You are right...but...what i am doing is this
I see more multi series than single series....so the fact your 3 series ended is a good idea to predict a single will form. The only way a single will form is to bet opposite. If it wins you have:
X
X
X
   X
X

If you lose you have a series of 2
that's not the end.....you have a second shot
Half of all series are single. Half of the rest are 2 series.....so you have probability on you side to bet opposite 1 more time
Bet 1 is for a single series to form. Bet 2 is for it to stay a 2 series. They happen more.

The progression is second chance saloon

Hmmmm....I may have a name for this idea...LoL

SUMMARY
If I see a lot of multi series recently...vs single...I bet a single will form. If im wrong...i bet it will only be a 2 series

You could go for 3 with 122 ?!
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Chris555p on Oct 10, 01:32 PM 2013
Hi Turner

Would it be possible to put in a few numbers as examples so it is clear for everyone, thanks.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 10, 01:53 PM 2013
Its done...will post later....on the android right now
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 10, 03:05 PM 2013
Heres a session....didnt lose, just stopped
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 10, 03:51 PM 2013
heres a warning.

This is correct bet selection in my view, based on probability to some degree.

betting on observation and study for weeks.

This doesn't make you a winner

what wins is leaving in plus.

Setting a stop-loss.

Being happy with more than yesterday. More than yesterday could be: Yesterday +12 u total, today 15u. its 3u more. You are a winner.

Being totally and utterly focused on the rules you set.......NEVER DETER FROM THEM !!!!!!!

I don't do the progression if the loss would take me below yesterdays total +1u

This is the best way.

My Bankroll? 50 Euro...my balance? 80 Euro....in 3 days.   

I don't know how this will go...it may be a fu&ck up......but I know 1 big thing 100%.

If I "have to stop" because of bad runs.....I will have 50 Euro

What I started with. Because now....my total stop-loss is EVEN

(by the way...I whimped out and played 3 6 not 6 12)

Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 10, 06:19 PM 2013
OK....if you thought I had bored you enough....you were wrong

This chart is why i am doing this.

read my signature and correct me if I am misguided

SD 3 is not seen. This is red Standard Deviation charted over 100 spins.....around last 23. This is roughly what I am looking at each time

But high SD is seen regressing to the mean twice

But what is seen many times is SD regressing to the mean in little waves.

The little waves are wins. The big wave is a loss.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: TwoCatSam on Oct 10, 09:34 PM 2013
OK

Let me ask it another way:

X
X
X
  X.............At this point you are looking a win here (in red)
  X..........if you lose that bet, you bet it will return as in the blue
X

Close?

Thanks

Sam
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: GLC on Oct 11, 12:27 AM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 10, 09:34 PM 2013
OK

Let me ask it another way:

X
X
X
  X.............At this point you are looking a win here (in red)
  X..........if you lose that bet, you bet it will return as in the blue
X

Close?

Thanks

Sam

Sam, all Turner is saying is that if we've been having steaks, we start betting for a chop.  If we have RRRB since we've had streaks, we bet that the B isn't the beginning of another streak.  We bet for the B's to end 2 times or at most 3 times.  Our progression is 1-2-2.  If we get RRRBBBB then we lost all 3 bets and it's time to wait for another trigger.  And start betting again at 1 unit.

One way to determine if we should bet for chops after a streaky section or bet for streaks after a choppy section is the following:

When we see a chop, we subtract 1 from a running score.  When we see 2 of the same color in a row, we add 1 to a running score.

Example: RB  this is a -1.   BB this is a +1.   RBBRBRR this is -1+1-1-1-1+1 or -1, 0,-1,-2,-3,-2 for a running total.  We're at -2 which means we have had more chops than streaks.  If we were at + anything it would mean we had more streaks than chops.  All we have to do is pick a point to start betting for the opposite.  Let's say we pick -5 or +5.  So, any time we're at a running total of -5, after the next color change, we start betting for a streak for up to 3 times.

If we're at +5, after the next color change, we start betting for a chop for up to 3 times.  Or we could start betting for chops as soon as we reach +5 even without a color change.  That's a personal decision.

Once again these are just my thoughts on the system since you and I are the only ones still up at this time of night.

GLC
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 11, 02:44 AM 2013
Sam.....correct....but if the first comes in its a win obviously

GEORGE..kinda

I'm not playing for streaks. I'm always playing for chops. Having 10 ECs....I nearly always have a run of streaks to bet against. that's the point. Having so many ecs.....one is always ready
And.....I'm not playing 122.....its 12. I just said you could play for 3 to stop with 122. I'm not doing that here.

Its not a progression to cure a loss....its another bet for a second prediction.

It has to be visually obvious and obvious quickly. Dublin bet can be quick.

Again...for justification...waiting for SD 3 so you can play for regression is waiting for a rare event. While that's not happening....Smaller SDs are turning back to the mean all the time in little waves. that's what I'm betting on without needing a calculator.

Ego refers to this as a hover state. Its egos help that gave me the idea.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: rossco on Oct 11, 05:13 AM 2013
Turner is no scammer.
rossco.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: biagle on Oct 11, 06:29 AM 2013
Quote from: GLC on Oct 11, 12:27 AM 2013
Sam, all Turner is saying is that if we've been having steaks, we start betting for a chop.  If we have RRRB since we've had streaks, we bet that the B isn't the beginning of another streak.  We bet for the B's to end 2 times or at most 3 times.  Our progression is 1-2-2.  If we get RRRBBBB then we lost all 3 bets and it's time to wait for another trigger.  And start betting again at 1 unit.

One way to determine if we should bet for chops after a streaky section or bet for streaks after a choppy section is the following:

When we see a chop, we subtract 1 from a running score.  When we see 2 of the same color in a row, we add 1 to a running score.

Example: RB  this is a -1.   BB this is a +1.   RBBRBRR this is -1+1-1-1-1+1 or -1, 0,-1,-2,-3,-2 for a running total.  We're at -2 which means we have had more chops than streaks.  If we were at + anything it would mean we had more streaks than chops.  All we have to do is pick a point to start betting for the opposite.  Let's say we pick -5 or +5.  So, any time we're at a running total of -5, after the next color change, we start betting for a streak for up to 3 times.

If we're at +5, after the next color change, we start betting for a chop for up to 3 times.  Or we could start betting for chops as soon as we reach +5 even without a color change.  That's a personal decision.

Once again these are just my thoughts on the system since you and I are the only ones still up at this time of night.

GLC

i saw somewhere this:) chek it: link:://download.saliu.com/roulette-systems/MAGIC.pdf
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 11, 06:42 AM 2013
Quote from: rossco on Oct 11, 05:13 AM 2013
Turner is no scammer.
rossco.
Thank you rossco.
I just read a lot.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: GLC on Oct 11, 10:57 AM 2013
Turner,  I didn't mean to muddy the water, just trying to help a fellow Yank who's getting screwed royally by a rouge president who has appointed a bunch of children who think running a country is akin to playing monopoly.  They're hell bent on destroying our way of life and there may be too many voters on the dole for the earners to stop it.  I'm thinking about moving to Croatia and joining Ivica on the sands of the Adriatic Sea.  Draw my pension and go to the casino each day and win enough for bread and wine.  Maybe try to keep up with him on his swims each day.  Probably add about 15 years to my life!

Anyone who wants to join me, I'm sure you're more than welcome.

GLC
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: TwoCatSam on Oct 11, 12:25 PM 2013
George

Thanks for that and I agree totally.

Did you know that on November 26 the residents of New Jersey will be able to bet on line?  Here's what just kills me:  It's ONLY for N.J. residents.  I thought they would throw it country wide so we could bet.

Maybe Vegas will do that.

I have checked with NJ and all you need to be a resident is a permanent address which you use and a NJ driver's license.  I envision apartment complexes renting phony addresses for just this purpose.  You could always mail yourself junk mail so the address would appear with the Post Office.  Yep, it can be done!!  Credit cards--no problem...  Let's go George!!

I would be a snap to get a cell phone in Jersey and just say that's your only phone.  With Hide Me Arse, you could come off a tower near your "home".
Sam
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: teo on Oct 11, 01:17 PM 2013
Quote from: GLC on Oct 11, 10:57 AM 2013
Turner,  I didn't mean to muddy the water, just trying to help a fellow Yank who's getting screwed royally by a rouge president who has appointed a bunch of children who think running a country is akin to playing monopoly.  They're hell bent on destroying our way of life and there may be too many voters on the dole for the earners to stop it.  I'm thinking about moving to Croatia and joining Ivica on the sands of the Adriatic Sea.  Draw my pension and go to the casino each day and win enough for bread and wine.  Maybe try to keep up with him on his swims each day.  Probably add about 15 years to my life!

Anyone who wants to join me, I'm sure you're more than welcome.

GLC

--you can chose any of the 8 appartments/a top is for 4 ppl./--can spit on the sea,walk 15 min.to casino/you can google opatija--lungo mare walk/and go with me squid fishing.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: probasah on Oct 11, 02:26 PM 2013
Quote from: teo on Oct 11, 01:17 PM 2013

--you can chose any of the 8 appartments/a top is for 4 people./--can spit on the sea,walk 15 min.to casino/you can google opatija--lungo mare walk/and go with me squid fishing.

teo, i think you have found heaven on earth. Or is it just me? Refreshing thoughts and imagery in your message.

Chapeau!
Alex
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 11, 04:06 PM 2013
got to 103 euro (80 yesterday).....liked 100 so played 3 not 6, won, played 6, won (112 E), lost 6....but didn't play the 12. Stuck at 106 for today.

+ 26Euro.

End of session. Progressed to 12 once.....all others were straight.

I play for the single series if the last 8 or so event are very dominant in multi series....like this

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5 vs 2 single series, play for another single (or 2 series in progression)

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This looks good to go at first glance....but it 4 vs 4 single series....no bet

You must count!
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: RouletteMaster on Oct 11, 07:16 PM 2013
Turner      I play 6 numbers and 9 numbers. I play them as even chances and I play them on their own. when playing as even chances I play them as singles and series. I mainly play in b&m, and only recently started playing online. your way of tracking is definitely good for online casinos where you can take an excel to and get more than 3 ecs on the cards. well done, and really like it and very innovative.

now what I find is the intuitive way of playing the series and singles. you may argue its not intuitive - but this is just my opinion. am not saying its wrong either/don't take me negative.

just wanted to share another way of playing singles and series. please use it depending on how useful you find it to be. there are 2-3 elements here.

1. even though law of series says series of 2 should happen 25% of the time, I find it happening more than that if you are using lines. fallacy, but see for yourselves.
2. now this is a mathematical way of playing. you know there is a 50-50 chance in every step of singles/series. single has 50% chance to 2 series, 2 series has 50% chance to become3 series and so on. now how to capitalize it. follow a 1-3 progression. bet for any 2 series to end. if it becomes a 3 series, bet once more for 3 series to continue to 4 or more series. I will explain with simple R and B. see RR, bet for B. now see RRR, bet for RRRR. lose both find next opportunity. first bet 1 unit, second bet 3 unit. you play continuously and you have a bet almost every spin using your lines. Just taking the sheet where you posted 102 gain in 48 spins, you will gain just under 50 units playing only the first 5 spins.
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if interested, let me know I will continue more ideas on this.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: arizsumda on Oct 11, 07:22 PM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 11, 12:25 PM 2013
George

Thanks for that and I agree totally.

Did you know that on November 26 the residents of New Jersey will be able to bet on line?  Here's what just kills me:  It's ONLY for N.J. residents.  I thought they would throw it country wide so we could bet.

Maybe Vegas will do that.

I have checked with NJ and all you need to be a resident is a permanent address which you use and a NJ driver's license.  I envision apartment complexes renting phony addresses for just this purpose.  You could always mail yourself junk mail so the address would appear with the Post Office.  Yep, it can be done!!  Credit cards--no problem...  Let's go George!!

I would be a snap to get a cell phone in Jersey and just say that's your only phone.  With Hide Me Arse, you could come off a tower near your "home".
Sam

Tried to tell you so back in March when you brought this us, your reply back then was the following

"I follow the news on this very carefully.  It is for the entire nation and most probably people in the UK and elsewhere.

Hear me now and believe me later!

TwoCat"

Don't know what news you follow, the cartoon network doesn't seem to be working.  And, if you expect Vegas to be any different, you are wrong again, it won't happen, and when DE starts internet gaming followed by PA it will be the same, only allowed with an internet connection within the state
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Oct 12, 04:27 AM 2013
Firstly....any chance you Obama haters could take your politics to the off topic section. Listen....
I fully empathise with you....USA is closed for business and all that....you must  be worried....but Im trying to think about series and ECs.


Roulette master....thanks.

I dont claim to have a good series bet per se......I just claim to have 10 ec to choose from.
Let me digest what you say and give it a good test.
I appreciate you sharing your idea. This isnt MI5.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: leelad5 on Nov 06, 02:00 PM 2013
Are you still playing this Turner?
I quite like it but have only played it on R/B  O/E  H/L so far, still gets enough betting opportunities for me though.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Nov 07, 06:37 AM 2013
Quote from: leelad5 on Nov 06, 02:00 PM 2013
Are you still playing this Turner?
I quite like it but have only played it on R/B  O/E  H/L so far, still gets enough betting opportunities for me though.
My kitchen is being dismantled by builders right now....so roulette testing is on the back burner....an ironic choice of idiom as I have no gas or cooker this week
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Azim on Nov 07, 06:10 PM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 11, 12:25 PM 2013


I would be a snap to get a cell phone in Jersey and just say that's your only phone.  With Hide Me Arse, you could come off a tower near your "home".
Sam

Sam you can buy the magic jack and register it to a NJ area code and phone number.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: rouletteKEY on Nov 07, 08:13 PM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Nov 07, 06:10 PM 2013
Sam you can buy the magic jack and register it to a NJ area code and phone number.
I don't know enough about "tricking" locations...does that hide your IP?  Assign a differnet location to the IP?  If it hides it... would a filter likely disallow the connection on the casino side?

Just typin' as I'm thinking without doing the necessary legwork myself...I'm in lazy mode I guess waiting for Stanford to come up big and help my Buckeyes move up in the BCS
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: ausguy on Nov 07, 10:47 PM 2013
Faking your IP may be one thing but for a casino payout on an account you also have to provide a valid bank account linked to your home address.
A utility bill that also shows your home address plus photo ID like a drivers licence that again links your home address.

Casinos are a wake up to all sorts of scams so unless your IDs add up & show some history then you won't see any money come your way.
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: rouletteKEY on Mar 12, 02:46 PM 2014
Turner,

   Was doing a little reverse engineering on a 3 number bet and was looking at some street data... made me think of your modified EC bet with streets.

   What ever came of your work with this?

   Work too well... so it was abandoned? ;)
Title: Re: Series/single bets using lines.
Post by: Turner on Mar 12, 03:01 PM 2014
Well.....lol

As I am insane....I have decided to do the same for Streets. Why?

The lines do give an opportunity to see high SD in even chance bets quicker than the 3 we know and love.

But not quick enough.

There are  462 combinations of 6 streets vs 6 streets. I believe that at any one given time, there would be a set of 6 streets that are 14 v 0 against another. Thats 3SD. We could bet the opposite for a RTM of the 14 hit.

Seems theoretically sound.

Its still in my head, but very doable in XL. Just a slog.

I'll keep you posted.


PS.....

For people interested in maths....you can find how many of "something" appears in "something bigger by a formula using reciprocal

For example, the UK lottery is 6 numbers picked from 49

reciprocal of 6 is 6x5x4x3x2x1 and is shown as 6!

On a scientific calculator it is n!

So.....

49! / 6! / 43! = the amount of 6's in 49, which is the odds of winning the lottery. 43 is the difference between the total (49) and the selection(6)

= 13,983,816 (14 million to one)

So.....how many combinations of 6 streets appear in 12 streets

12! / 6! / 6! = 924, but thats reversed, so its half that