**PATTERN BREAKER**
How it came to be. People have been trying to design systems to overcome house edge, beat a game with no memory and defy mathematicians since this game came to be.
WHILE 1000S of systems need random to deliver something within a certain number of spins to succeed. PATTERN BREAKER asks RANDOM to do something its not very good at people. DELIVER THE LAST PATTERN OF A THREE SPIN HI LO COMBINATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER ITS DELIVERED THE SECOND TO LAST.
THE RULES...
1, You write the 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin Hi lo pattern down like this
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
2, You now proceed to record spins for hi lo in rows of three. Every three spins will produce one of those 8 possible patterns, a repeat of one or a pattern with a zero. An average game takes 50-60 spins to complete. To speed turnover you can backtrack twenty spins for a max of THREE TIMES A SESSION.
3, You cross off each of the 8 possible patterns as they are produced and write a number next to them. EVENTUALLY, there will be ONE PATTERN LEFT.
4, You IMMEDIATELY bet against that pattern using a three step progression 2,4,8=14pts risk.
5,If a zero hits while recording patterns, example
H0L You record it under your 8 non zero patterns. If a zero hits during betting you accept it as a losing spin and complete the progression. OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1
6, The method requires 7 wins to match a losing progression. ITS POWER, is the ability to create winning streaks that average 40 in a row. I have 3 100plus streaks in my records. I've never lost twice in a row.
7, TO BE PLAYED LIVE OR AIRBALL not RNG. I will give money management examples if the interest is there. It ought to be, I turned 14 units into 680 in a month. If you hit a power streak you can go nuclear in profits. Then BANK and start again. So there it is PATTERN BREAKER...
John
thank to sharing your system
my dream is to broke the bank at Monte Carlo!!!
hello from Nice cote D'azur (France)
All i can say to that is OMG!!!!! :o :o :o
Just to look at that it looks JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO LOSE!!!!!!!!
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 08, 05:56 PM 2011
All I can say to that is OMG!!!!! :o :o :o
Just to look at that it looks JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO LOSE!!!!!!!!
I can confirm that this dont lose. If lose 1 session no problem recover fast ;D
Love it John ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 08, 05:56 PM 2011
All I can say to that is OMG!!!!! :o :o :o
Just to look at that it looks JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO LOSE!!!!!!!!
It loses Zig but my gawd when it wins, youll be one happy player. Because the risk is only 14 units If youve won say 50 you could recover that 14 in just two games of
7,14,28. Ive never lost worse than 25 games apart THINK ABOUT THIS VERY CAREFULLY PEOPLE. If you cant see the power here, well....
good concept john, could this also be used with even/odd and black/red? :love:
John i saw the power straight away ;D
Thank you very much John. Looks brilliant and all for just 14 units!!! You really can't ask for more. Especially for a newbie with small banks.
Yes i am very interested in the money management side of this :thumbsup:
After a first win do you log out and retrack later?
I think i may do an all night session ;D
Quote from: incekt on Apr 08, 06:13 PM 2011
Good concept john, could this also be used with even/odd and black/red? :love:
Possibly, ive never tested it on them. Think about it red black and odd even are similar to comparing columns to dozens. May be the way to get faster turnover. But take my word it works like a dream on the two halfs of the layout.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 08, 06:16 PM 2011
John I saw the power straight away ;D
Thank you very much John. Looks brilliant and all for just 14 units!!! You really can't ask for more. Especially for a newbie with small banks.
Yes I am very interested in the money management side of this :thumbsup:
After a first win do you log out and retrack later?
I think I may do an all night session ;D
Zig thankyou I need to get to bed soon am going to a wedding in the morning. Of course I will help you master and exploit this roulette killer to the max in the coming days.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 06:27 PM 2011
Zig thankyou I need to get to bed soon am going to a wedding in the morning. Of course I will help you master and exploit this roulette killer to the max in the coming days.
:thumbsup:
Cheers John
Have a fantastic day tommorow :thumbsup:
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 08, 06:33 PM 2011
:thumbsup:
Hi Jon, okay my last post, I'll be off the radar most of tomorrow. Sunday I will anwser any questions. You guys now have MV5 and PB play them three sessions alternated a day as I do, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: and its over for roulette and up for your Bank. All the best and thanks for your positive support.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 06:42 PM 2011
Hi Jon, okay my last post, I'll be off the radar most of tomorrow. Sunday I will anwser any questions. You guys now have MV5 and PB play them three sessions alternated a day as I do, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: and its over for roulette and up for your Bank. All the best and thanks for your positive support.
Have a beutifull day tomorow John :)
We are ready for war now :D
Zigzag.
This is very powerfull i can say ;D
Good night :)
Now we can be seriously profiting on this perfect system, it is so perfect. Do not forget to capitalize your profit and increase bet after a loss so that last step of progression is maximal bet possible, because you are going to win! Casino's should fear now, so do not wait and play while they are there!
Go to B&M casino, all girls are there for a winner :love: :girl_to: :girl_to: :girl_to: :girl_to: :girl_to: :thumbsup:
So, Mr. Ore,
Are you saying that you endorse this system?
If so, I assume you have examined it closely and can find nothing lurking in the corners that we need to be cognizant of.
I agree that it looks like a good bet.
I have a friend who plays a similar method, but he waits until he gets 2 identical patterns in a row and then bets against a 3rd identical pattern forming. He too swears that he wins consistently with this. He uses a less aggressive bet method. Starts at 1-2-4 and uses a Alembert type progression.
His is one of the mini games I am using in my idea of playing mini games under a global umbrella of Alembert progression.
Talk to us.
Thanks,
George
Well guys, I know that John will not be back to explain anything until tomorrow so if any of you understand how to play this, please SHOW an example because if I don't actually SEE something as opposed to just hearing it, I don't get it.
Any help would be appreciated guys.
Scooby Doo
What is your profit target in a session?
We can play this tracking other EC as well.
Like in Matrix with dozens & columns.
Thx 4 both systems JL.
Some rational people playing roulette just
have 2 realize what hit them hehe.
JohnLegend showed me this system a week ago and here's how it goes. (No RNG)
HHH When the numbers come in designate them as either high or low
HLL (example: #21 (High), #17 (Low), #18(Low)---HLL
HLH Look at the cluster of three pattern on the left, mark a (1) by
HHL the cluster HLL (1). Wait for another set of three numbers
LLL #12 (Low), #9 (Low), #13(Low)---LLL
LHH Again, look at the cluster of three pattern on the left and mark a (2)
LLH by it. Do continue until you have only one unhit pattern left
LHL and then it is time to bet it's opposite.
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On average a session should last about an hour.
you guys already got this?! i'm still chasing my own tail here.
ok, i tracked the patterns till i was left with LLL.
I bet against L one time and won, high came.
What do I do next?
Start tracking new bunch of spins till i am left with a single pattern again?
vundarosa
"What do I do next? Start tracking new bunch of spins till I am left with a single pattern again?"-Vundarosa
Yes, you start all over tracking or end session.
How are your results from the last week Proofreader2000
I have been using live slingshot with these results
first game +2 in 39 spins
second game
HHL *
LHH *
HHL
HHL
HLH *
LLH *
LHH
LLH
LLH
LHL *
HLL *
HHL
HLH
HHL
LH0
LLH
LLL * HHH last pattern left bet opposite
HHH lost
maybe I should stay away from slingshot and only use real live spins
Thanks
Results are good ROB22, use only the most trustworthy live wheels you think are honest
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Here's a progression I like to use with even chances
Breadwinner: 1,2,4 (restart) 2,4,8 (restart) 3,6,12 (restart) 4,8,16 (restart) 5,10,20....
*Breadwinner note*: If a leg misses all three attempts, go to next higher leg. If a leg gets one, two or three hits in a row, stay at same leg. If a leg gets four hits, go to next lower leg.
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One more tip: On American live wheels I like to put 5% of the total bet on 00
No matter how good that is,out of a couple using it,a couple hundred will not track spins that long and play,so Casino will always be rich.Sorry i play American wheel ,cant use it i guess.
Here is a snapshot of what a Typical Pattern Breaker Session looks like.
Interesting stuff.
Be good when Ophis has tracker 'knocked-up' for it.
:)
Hello Proofreaders
I thought that we were supposed to discard 0 in the clusters. In yr session u didnt wait 4 HHH 2 hit.
U used H0H combination as a trigger. Any special reason or i didnt understand something?
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Apr 08, 11:02 PM 2011
Well guys, I know that John will not be back to explain anything until tomorrow so if any of you understand how to play this, please SHOW an example because if I don't actually SEE something as opposed to just hearing it, I don't get it.
Any help would be appreciated guys.
Scooby Doo
Scooby.
Here is a nice way to do it. I have played Pattern Breaker for a week now.
Explain from John how to write the numbers and place them on the patterns.
Quote:
Sent by jon86 on April 03, 2011, 11:09:02 pm
Hi John.
Could you give me a example how you write the H L pattern and the numbers like you would do if play a real game.
Jon
Okay Jon lets say you recorded 15 spins for high low and got this H L H L L L H L L H H H L 0 H . This is how you would record them against you 8 possible patterns.
HHH-4
LLL-2
HLH-1
LHL
HHL
LHH
HLL-3
LLH
L0H-5 pattern with zero is placed under the orginale patterns.
Do you get this Jon? And you continue like this until there is ONE PATTERN LEFT. Random has selected your bet for you...
If someone has any question i be glad to help by only using examples that John has given me so it wont be any confusion or change here.
No change is nesserary here. Its a winner. Not beacuse it never lose a session but with the MM and the way we use to recover in a couple games after a loss.
Best Jon
Quote from: ROB22 on Apr 09, 12:24 AM 2011
How are your results from the last week Proofreader2000
I have been using live slingshot with these results
first game +2 in 39 spins
second game
HHL *
LHH *
HHL
HHL
HLH *
LLH *
LHH
LLH
LLH
LHL *
HLL *
HHL
HLH
HHL
LH0
LLH
LLL * HHH last pattern left bet opposite
HHH lost
maybe I should stay away from slingshot and only use real live spins
Thanks
This post is very confusing?
Even i have play for one week and i dont understand what you do here. Its not the right rules.
A pattern with zero involved sould be written under the other 8 orginale pattern. I have posted a example how to write and play from John.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 08, 11:08 PM 2011
What is your profit target in a session?
We can play this tracking other EC as well.
Like in Matrix with dozens & columns.
thanks 4 both systems JL.
Some rational people playing roulette just
have 2 realize what hit them hehe.
Target in one session is 2 units as we bet 2.4.8 after a win we start all over :)
Jon
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 02:04 AM 2011
Here is a snapshot of what a Typical Pattern Breaker Session looks like.
This is a good example how to track and play. I do it just like that to :)
Good proofs :)
I recomend to follow this system as John say and not deviate from it. He will explain the MM when he is back. Thats the power of this system.
If you lose a session use progression 7.14.28 on the 2 next games to recover fast as John has recomended.
Let John come back before start to change and deviate from the orginale rules as its not good for the newbies to understand and they get confused :)
So again if someone wonder about something i can help with examples John has gave me as i ask very much about everything ;D ;D ;D
Jon
Its a great system :)
Quote from: GLC on Apr 08, 10:01 PM 2011
So, Mr. Ore,
Are you saying that you endorse this system?
If so, I assume you have examined it closely and can find nothing lurking in the corners that we need to be cognizant of.
I agree that it looks like a good bet.
I have a friend who plays a similar method, but he waits until he gets 2 identical patterns in a row and then bets against a 3rd identical pattern forming. He too swears that he wins consistently with this. He uses a less aggressive bet method. Starts at 1-2-4 and uses a Alembert type progression.
His is one of the mini games I am using in my idea of playing mini games under a global umbrella of Alembert progression.
Talk to us.
Thanks,
George
Hi George.
3 patterns in a row is very common to get I have them all of the time. Even 4 in a row.
Best Jon
Thanks John for all the work you do - this looks to be another interesting system.
I have one question about how it is played:
Once we have 7 patterns that have appeared I understand that we bet on the remaining unhit pattern. If we win do we start tracking all over again from 0 or just wait for 1 of the patterns to drop off and another to add in for a new trigger?
Also, lets say we tracked for 7 patterns to show then lost because the 8th came in, it may be that one of the other patterns 'dropped' off the tracking giving us 7 patterns again - is this another trigger or do we reset after a loss and track them all again?
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 09, 03:35 AM 2011
Scooby.
Here is a nice way to do it. I have played Pattern Breaker for a week now.
Explain from John how to write the numbers and place them on the patterns.
Quote:
Sent by jon86 on April 03, 2011, 11:09:02 pm
Hi John.
Could you give me a example how you write the H L pattern and the numbers like you would do if play a real game.
Jon
Okay Jon lets say you recorded 15 spins for high low and got this H L H L L L H L L H H H L 0 H . This is how you would record them against you 8 possible patterns.
HHH-4
LLL-2
HLH-1
LHL
HHL
LHH
HLL-3
LLH
L0H-5 pattern with zero is placed under the orginale patterns.
Do you get this Jon? And you continue like this until there is ONE PATTERN LEFT. Random has selected your bet for you...
If someone has any question I be glad to help by only using examples that John has given me so it wont be any confusion or change here.
No change is nesserary here. Its a winner. Not beacuse it never lose a session but with the MM and the way we use to recover in a couple games after a loss.
Best Jon
don't understand.What are these numbers you are placing next to the patterns.-1 -3 -4
What relevance do they have to anything.All you have to do is just wait until one pattern is left which hasn't been hit then bet against it.?
So if the last pattern left is HHH
We play LLL. ???
JL is a genius.
the way this guy thinks is reminicent of myself.
this method is a good one.
you dont track the zeros cos you will more often then not end up with the same combination to bet on.
wait for JL to come to explain fully before you start to throw new possibilities in
frost
Quote from: moles40 on Apr 09, 04:48 AM 2011
don't understand.What are these numbers you are placing next to the patterns.-1 -3 -4
What relevance do they have to anything.All you have to do is just wait until one pattern is left which hasn't been hit then bet against it.?
this is just the order they landed in
I Like It Muchly 8)
I would just say this is one of the ways I play Baccarat, and there you dont have to worry about the Zero hittin :o
Sweet :xd: :twisted: :lol:
Hi everyone, if my remaining pattern HLH is left at the end, betting opposite would be LHL using step 2,4,8. So if i place a bet on L and lose then I move 1 step up of the progression by betting 4 on H. If it lose again I move to the last prog 8.
If I lose on all of 3 bets then I lose this session and need to start from the beginning but using step 7, 14, 28 as jon mentioned.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Its up 2 u which progression 2 use. I think everybody is clear how to play it.
But i dont think we r clear about tracking 0 - the rest of the system is very easy 2 understand
Quote from: frost on Apr 09, 04:53 AM 2011
this is just the order they landed in
Exactly. You write them on the 8 orginale patterns as the spins comes.
I will get replies from this threat too.
Quote from: RP on Apr 09, 04:43 AM 2011
Thanks John for all the work you do - this looks to be another interesting system.
I have one question about how it is played:
Once we have 7 patterns that have appeared I understand that we bet on the remaining unhit pattern. If we win do we start tracking all over again from 0 or just wait for 1 of the patterns to drop off and another to add in for a new trigger?
Also, lets say we tracked for 7 patterns to show then lost because the 8th came in, it may be that one of the other patterns 'dropped' off the tracking giving us 7 patterns again - is this another trigger or do we reset after a loss and track them all again?
When you have the last pattern left you bet AGAINST it.
So if the last pattern left is HHH you bet LLL .
When you win start all over :)
Reset after a loss and play next 2 games with progression 7.14.28 to recover fast. It dont lose in a row this system :)
Jon
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 09, 06:08 AM 2011
Its up 2 you which progression 2 use. I think everybody is clear how to play it.
But I don't think we are clear about tracking 0 - the rest of the system is very easy 2 understand
Tracking 0 is no problem.
When a zero patter comes like this H0H we just write it under the orginale patterns and note the number spin it came like H0H-12
This means that it was the 12 combination.
The only bit I don't understand at the moment is:-
"OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1"
from JL's first post. It's the progression numbers. Can anyone explain?
Robert
Quote from: londonboy85 on Apr 09, 05:59 AM 2011
Hi everyone, if my remaining pattern HLH is left at the end, betting opposite would be LHL using step 2,4,8. So if I place a bet on L and lose then I move 1 step up of the progression by betting 4 on H. If it lose again I move to the last prog 8.
If I lose on all of 3 bets then I lose this session and need to start from the beginning but using step 7, 14, 28 as jon mentioned.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Its right :) John recomend to use 7.14.28 next 2 sessions to recover fast.
When John gets back he will explain the very powerfull MM plan that makes this system so strong.
Jon :)
Quote from: trebor on Apr 09, 06:29 AM 2011
The only bit I don't understand at the moment is:-
"OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1"
from JL's first post. It's the progression numbers. Can anyone explain?
Robert
Its just if you want to cover zero with 1 unit all 3 spins then we bet 3 7 15 Instead of 2.4.8 and 1 on zero.
Jon
Hi JohnL,
Very nice! You well and truly surprised me because I thought it was going to be similar to your "Sequence Breaker" on another forum...
Anyhow, I have played several sessions and won them all so far.
One thing I would like to be clarified/explained is what happens if you are betting against the last pattern and the 0 occurs?
For instance if the remaining pattern yet to show is LHL; I will bet against it using HLH but suppose I get L then 0... I lost twice in a row so far, so my next bet must be 8u - but which EC do I bet? L or H?
I am presuming that I will therefore bet the 8u on the H as that is the third in the sequence and I am using my third and last bet of the progression? But anyway can you please confirm?
Thanks again - and congratulations - very ingenious ;D
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 09, 06:37 AM 2011
Hi JohnL,
Very nice! You well and truly surprised me because I thought it was going to be similar to your "Sequence Breaker" on another forum...
Anyhow, I have played several sessions and won them all so far.
One thing I would like to be clarified/explained is what happens if you are betting against the last pattern and the 0 occurs?
For instance if the remaining pattern yet to show is LHL; I will bet against it using HLH but suppose I get L then 0... I lost twice in a row so far, so my next bet must be 8u - but which EC do I bet? L or H?
I am presuming that I will therefore bet the 8u on the H as that is the third in the sequence and I am using my third and last bet of the progression? But anyway can you please confirm?
Thanks again - and congratulations - very ingenious ;D
A.
Hi. I can answer that. You just bet against the last pattern even if 0 hits. If it hit just bet next stepp of progression on next H or L you have:)
Jon
If it lose we use progression 7.14.28 to recover fast the 2 next games. I doesnt lose in a row.
So if a game lose to zero hit its no problem I think:)
This is a good System for sure !
Roulette is takin a poundin at the moment ;D
For those of you who play Baccarat, well it works awesome due to the fact there is no zero (Tie=Push, money back !)
PM me if you want the full details as dont want to clutter this thread with Baccarat :lol:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 09, 07:10 AM 2011
This is a good System for sure !
Roulette is taking a poundin at the moment ;D
For those of you who play Baccarat, well it works awesome due to the fact there is no zero (Tie=Push, money back !)
PM me if you want the full details as don't want to clutter this thread with Baccarat :LoL:
Brilliant Twister ;D
Today i will play Bac to ;D
Had a few games last night but as it was late i tracked both the High/Low and Red/Black together just to speed it up a little :smile:
HHH RRR
LLL BBB
HLH RBR
LHL BRB
HHL RRB
LLH BBR
HLL RBB
LHH BRR
Works wonders :xd: + 12
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 09, 07:22 AM 2011
Had a few games last night but as it was late I tracked both the High/Low and Red/Black together just to speed it up a little :smile:
HHH RRR
LLL BBB
HLH RBR
LHL BRB
HHL RRB
LLH BBR
HLL RBB
LHH BRR
Works wonders :xd: + 12
Nice ZigZag:)
This can be play on all even chance :)
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 09, 07:37 AM 2011
Nice ZigZag:)
This can be play on all even chance :)
Jon
A tracker would be great for that. :thumbsup:
to simplify once 7 of the 8 patterns are crossed off play agains the remaining one?
i agree does anybody know what has happened to ophis thats his forte
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 09, 08:20 AM 2011
To simplify once 7 of the 8 patterns are crossed off play agains the remaining one?
Yes :)
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 09, 08:21 AM 2011
i agree does anybody know what has happened to ophis thats his forte
He's 'Busy'................but watch this space eh!! :thumbsup:
Pattern breaker tested over first 65536 spins from Wiesbaden.
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 09:44 AM 2011
Pattern breaker tested over first 65536 spins from Wiesbaden.
I have removed this line as i dont want to be negative and make trouble here. All have different knowledge here and thats whats make this forum so great to be a part of :)
If you would sitt and play every spin of the 1000s of spins its okay but we never will.
When skip spins the game change and the result change!
Zero does to effect and many other factors.
Its not reality when you run a simulated test with big bunch of spins.
Go to a real casino and play and you get real results :)
No mean to be rude ;D
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 09, 09:54 AM 2011
When is people gonna understand that testing is wrong and the result is not right.
Testing isn't wrong. When will you understand that it can lose for some and some will win?
As with every other method you have to rely on luck.
How can you know that you won't start playing when two bad runs will happen and wipe out your bankroll?
Don't trying to be a pessimist..Just saying what I know.
This can be one of those methods that you can use forever and not lose becuase if you have luck on your side, this method surely delivers.
Cheers
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 09:44 AM 2011
Pattern breaker tested over first 65536 spins from Wiesbaden.
What do the different coloured lines mean?
And why does this Idea fail in the end?
Quote from: Fripper on Apr 09, 09:58 AM 2011
Testing isn't wrong. When will you understand that it can lose for some and some will win?
As with every other method you have to rely on luck.
How can you know that you won't start playing when two bad runs will happen and wipe out your bankroll?
Don't trying to be a pessimist..Just saying what I know.
This can be one of those methods that you can use forever and not lose because if you have luck on your side, this method surely delivers.
Cheers
My point is that a test with 65000 spins is not the same as the real result we get. If i play and stopp and skip 15 spins i change the hole game for my self and it can be both bad and good for my result.
This system lose like all other systems but its a strong system and with the MM we can overcome the loss and recover fast since it doesent lose many times in a row.
Play five wins a day :)
The less we play the more chance for not loss.
Like i said its not meant to be rude just say whats real and logic :)
Quote from: chrisbis on Apr 09, 10:06 AM 2011
What do the different coloured lines mean?
And why does this Idea fail in the end?
Its writen in the right corner on the picture.
All system fails over so many spins.
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 09, 10:10 AM 2011
The less we play the more chance for not loss.
so true ;)
How can you know that you won't start playing when two bad runs will happen and wipe out your bankroll?
Read what John say about the System and they ho are innterested can learn the MM to use with it. Thats the main power to this system i would say.
It dont wipe out the bank as the MM is brilliant and only 14 point risk.
I have play this for 10 days for REAL and it dont lose in a row and its easy to recover and bank up before next loss.
But in REAL inviroment i talk about.
But like you say some will lose and some win and with PB and the MM and understand how to recover right after a loss i belive that most will win overall with this.
Or play on Bac like Twister said and zero is long gone ;D
Quote from: Calypso on Apr 09, 10:18 AM 2011
so true ;)
The goal is to play with greater value unit and less games :)
The test have been done with a breadwinner progression. I will try to play a little with a MM to see if I can make it better.
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 10:40 AM 2011
The test have been done with a breadwinner progression. I will try to play a little with a MM to see if I can make it better.
I have after loss play 7.14.28 next 2 games and recovered.
Do you have the MM from John? He has not posted it yet. Its what makes this system so good.
How many times did it lose in a row in the 65000 spins and whats the most loss in a row?
Best Jon
Only 2,4,8 progression, all even chances played together (green line). Ended with a small profit.
No I don't have "recommended" MM for that.
wow , nice results ..
how many bets have been placed ?
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 10:45 AM 2011
No I don't have "recommended" MM for that.
John will give it to you tomorow when he is back :)
QuoteBPB
PBP
BPB
PBB
BPB
PPB
PBP
BBB
BPP
BBP
PPP - lose
QuotePPB
PBB
BBB
BPP
BPB
PBP
PPB
BBB
BPP
BPB
PPP
BBP - lose
found 2 losing shoes in my baccarat testings.
Quote from: weddings on Apr 09, 10:49 AM 2011
found 2 losing shoes in my baccarat testings.
Can you explain better this i dont understand at all ?
Played another 7 sessions and won all and on 8 session lost on all 3 pattern spins but recovered next 2 session with 7.14.28 :)
Hey guys. If you get a zero while tracking you get a chance to choose one of the unhit patterns.
(example: 23, 0, 21) 0 makes it wild, you choose an unhit pattern and assign a number to it.
H 0 H
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*Also watch if High or Low is dominant when it is near time to bet. If you get a cluster of 3 high/lows with a zero in it, you can swap out unhit patterns, so you will get a pattern with either High or Low is dominant.
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 10:40 AM 2011
The test have been done with a breadwinner progression. I will try to play a little with a MM to see if I can make it better.
Mr. Ore,
Thanks for your tests. I, for one, appreciate them very much. Even though nobody can sit and play for 65000 spins, this gives us a realistic snapshot of what can happen and what to be prepared for.
I think this is a very strong system. I applaud John for his ability to think outside the box.
We have to be careful and not do a disservice to our guests and new members by discouraging veteran roulette players from adding their cautions and analysis to a topic. It makes it look like the whole forum is agreed that this is the Holy Grail. Maybe I haven't ever come up with a system as good as John's, but I am always concerned about misleading someone into thinking that what I'm presenting is a "can't lose" system.
Someone with little gambling experience may break a cardinal rule of playing with money he can't afford to lose because "this forum" appeared to endorse a system as one that "can't lose".
Suggestions like the one I'm going to make are important. They are ideas that someone may want to use other than the presented method.
My idea is, if losing 2 times in a row is next to impossible, why bet 7-14-28 twice to recover a loss. Why not go straight to 14-28-56 and recover on the next spin? Or, if you're going to go beyond the almost guaranteed win after a loss, why not go to 5-10-20 and recover in 3 bets. I like Proofs' stair step bet method. It's safe and with a good strike rate, which this system appears to have, it eliminates, to a great degree, the fear of going bust.
Here's a suggestion. Lets set down the rules for a system in the 1st post. Lock that post. Whenever the members come up with a new idea that we want to add, JL can unlock that post and make the addition then lock it again. That way anyone can open this topic and read the 1st post and see exactly how to play the system without having to read through all the necessary back and forth that takes place as we try to iron out the wrinkles and get questions answered.
Luck to all,
GLC
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 09:44 AM 2011
Pattern breaker tested over first 65536 spins from Wiesbaden.
Can I ask what tool do you use to run through so many spins so quickly :)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 12:45 PM 2011
Hey guys. If you get a zero while tracking you get a chance to choose one of the unhit patterns.
(example: 23, 0, 21) 0 makes it wild, you choose an unhit pattern and assign a number to it.
H 0 H
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Also watch if High or Low is dominant when it is near time to bet. If you get a cluster of 3 high/lows with a zero in it, you can swap out unhit patterns, so you will get a pattern with either High or Low is dominant.
Really ? Zero is Wild ?
Hmmmmmmm :o
starting to complicate things proof let JL tell us about the dreaded zero please
Quote from: GLC on Apr 09, 01:02 PM 2011
We have to be careful and not do a disservice to our guests and new members by discouraging veteran roulette players from adding their cautions and analysis to a topic. It makes it look like the whole forum is agreed that this is the Holy Grail. Maybe I haven't ever come up with a system as good as John's, but I am always concerned about misleading someone into thinking that what I'm presenting is a "can't lose" system.
Someone with little gambling experience may break a cardinal rule of playing with money he can't afford to lose because "this forum" appeared to endorse a system as one that "can't lose".
I absolutely agree with you. Testing is important and it is even more important that before endorsing a method as a "can't loose" one it has been tested live for a lot (and I mean a lot!) of sessions by different members.
If I am not mistaken this pattern system is well know to baccarat players as it has already been said here. It is a good one but (in baccarat at least) no grail at all.
yes if it is very difficult to have 2 lost in a row
i agree with your idea even also good to recover in 3 bet
it wil be cool if mr ore publish the consecutive Loose and Win during his test
personnaly i have play for real in casino during 5 years and more
and believe the most imprevisible scenario happen one day
so just an advice be not to mutch confident when its real money on long run
human long run was for me 6 days per week at casino
playing 6 hours plus eating inside casino during 6 years
believe its hard
and you are totally deconnected from life
all sutuation happen the more you stay at the table
i have enconter serie on simple chance 22
i have seen 1,2 ,3,4 sucesivly at the table
i have see 0,0,0,1 sucessively
and many more incredible situation
roulette is a wall and this wall can really hurt and hurt your personal life
even if you think to have a good system
Quote from: iamvaljean on Apr 09, 01:19 PM 2011
I absolutely agree with you. Testing is important and it is even more important that before endorsing a method as a "can't lose" one it has been tested live for a lot (and I mean a lot!) of sessions by different members.
If I am not mistaken this pattern system is well know to baccarat players as it has already been said here. It is a good one but (in baccarat at least) no grail at all.
Nope no Grail, but I win more than I lose with it on Bac ;D
I always take Grail to mean "cant lose" and we know it can
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 09, 10:10 AM 2011
My point is that a test with 65000 spins is not the same as the real result we get. If I play and stopp and skip 15 spins I change the hole game for my self and it can be both bad and good for my result.
This system lose like all other systems but its a strong system and with the MM we can overcome the loss and recover fast since it doesent lose many times in a row.
Play five wins a day :)
The less we play the more chance for not loss.
Like I said its not meant to be rude just say what's real and logic :)
My oh my what have I unleashed on here LoL Good evening people, wasn't going to post till tomorrow. But I've come home still sober. Jon I have to say for a newbie on here and someone who doesn't speak the best English as its not your first langauge. You have really understood this method.
Thankyou for helping others grasp it. LOOK, Simulator people, you don't get it and maybe neverwill. NOTHING, that allows you to bet more than once a week, or with any decent frequency will survive a flat continuos multi thousand spin sample. If I say to you go and run your tests and find me 8 consecutive 5 POINTERS. I'm pretty sure it will be millions to one IF it happens at all. BUT WHO IS GOING TO SIT THERE WAITING for FIVE 5 POINTERS??
MV5 strikes a very good balance of betting frequency and strikerate.
PATTERN BREAKER as Jon has told you isnt designed to be played CONTINUOSLY. You play a session get out of there and come back into the cycle later. THIS IS HOW YOU WIN.
Quote from: roulettefan on Apr 09, 01:19 PM 2011
Yes if it is very difficult to have 2 lost in a row
personnaly I have play for real in casino during 5 years and more
and believe the most imprevisible scenario happen one day
so just an advice be not to mutch confident when its real money on long run
human long run was for me 6 days per week at casino
playing 6 hours plus eating inside casino during 6 years
believe its hard
and you are totally deconnected from life
all sutuation happen the more you stay at the table
i have enconter serie on simple chance 22
i have seen 1,2 ,3,4 sucesivly at the table
i have see 0,0,0,1 sucessively
and many more incredible situation
roulette is a wall and this wall can really hurt and hurt your personal life
even if you think to have a good system
Good post my friend.
We need these reminders every now and then.
Geo
P.S. Your English sucks, but not nearly as bad as my French. :lol: Just kidding. :thumbsup:
Keep posting. We need your personal experience to keep our feet on the ground and our heads out of the clouds. :)
OMG! GLC,
You are the re-incarnation of Albert Einstein!! What a great idea! I love it! Actually, I thought of something on that order but I didn't know you could add things to a post after it was already posted.
I take my hat off to you (If I take anything else off, you might get the wrong idea!)
In regards to Mr. Ore, I completely agree with you. I am happy that he has shown an interest in John's methods and is willing to do some testing. I think once he has the MM to add to what he already has, it will show an improvement ove his initial results.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: iamvaljean on Apr 09, 01:19 PM 2011
I absolutely agree with you. Testing is important and it is even more important that before endorsing a method as a "can't lose" one it has been tested live for a lot (and I mean a lot!) of sessions by different members.
If I am not mistaken this pattern system is well know to baccarat players as it has alreaudy been said here. It is a good one but (in baccarat at least) no grail at all.
No one said this was a grail GLC least of all me. What I say with absolute confidence. Is with a buy in of only 14 units, or even 7 if you wanted to be ultra conservative. And the potential WHEN PLAYED PROPERLY, to string together winning streaks anything from 25-100 plus. And extremely rare double losses. Its a great profit maker, and it IS.
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4655. msg46360#msg46360 date=1302369997
PATTERN BREAKER as Jon has told you isnt designed to be played CONTINUOSLY. You play a session get out of there and come back into the cycle later. THIS IS HOW YOU WIN.
Sorry, but that's nonsense. There is no difference between playing continuously for 1000s of spins and breaking up your play into short sessions. To suggest that you can avoid losing runs by playing short sessions defies all logic. It could only work if you knew when the bad streaks were coming and quit at the appropriate time - and you can't ever know when that time is.
The point of simulations is to give you an idea of what is likely to happen in the long run, and PLEASE don't tell me that "you only play in the short run", so the long run doesn't matter, that's more absurdity. Since when does a series of short sessions NOT add up to one LONG session? The outcomes are random so it makes no difference in terms of results whether you take spins from many different tables over many sessions or if you take them "continuously" from one table.
I can't believe you're attacking someone (mr. ore) for showing you the TRUTH and sharing his skills, time, and effort. ???
There also may be an advantage if you alternate this system with another system, like MV5--something that will last 20 spins or more, then come back to Pattern Breaker and start with the newest spins, not with what's on the marquee already.
Quote from: roulettefan on Apr 08, 05:54 PM 2011
John
thank to sharing your system
my dream is to broke the bank at Monte Carlo!!!
hello from Nice cote D'azur (France)
Be there 20-29 of august,usually play in Ruhl casino.
After that 7 days M.C.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 01:57 PM 2011
There also may be an advantage if you alternate this system with another system, like MV5--something that will last 20 spins or more, then come back to Pattern Breaker and start with the newest spins, not with what's on the marquee already.
I agree with you Proof. My new method of playing roulette is having 5 methods that I am tracking at all times at my airball machine. I look like a nutty professor to the blokes who just stop by every now and then and throw a bunch of chips all over the table.
I'm waiting for one of my systems to go through a virtual losing stretch and then I start betting on it with the hopes that the bad stretch won't continue. So far so good. I too know that it will not work every time. But enough to stay ahead.
I'm thinking if Pattern Breaker has a good enough strike rate, it should win with a flat bet. If it wins with a flat bet, then all bets are off. It's time to pull out the big guns and forget about progressions.
G
Mike,
I have to differ with you about your analogy. Try this on for size.
In 37 spins, approximately 1/3 of the numbers on a roulette wheel don't show up. Now if you keep spinning without stopping, eventually all of the 37 numbers will show but not on the short term.
So by only spinning in 37 number groupings and then stopping, you do not 100% hits on all of the numbers.
I think that playing for short sessions gives you the same type of results.
Another thing that makes playing short sessions less likely to have a losing session is that if you have a high strike-rate such as 40 to 100/1 by jumping in and out makes it less likely to be playing when the losing session is about to happen.
Sure, sometimes you won't be able to "miss" the loss but the answer to winning consistantly is in the strike rate...strike rate...strike rate.
I'm sure there are better examples of the reason why playing in short sessions works so if any of you have a better one, please feel free to post.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: Mike on Apr 09, 01:55 PM 2011
Sorry, but that's nonsense. There is no difference between playing continuously for 1000s of spins and breaking up your play into short sessions. To suggest that you can avoid losing runs by playing short sessions defies all logic. It could only work if you knew when the bad streaks were coming and quit at the appropriate time - and you can't ever know when that time is.
The point of simulations is to give you an idea of what is likely to happen in the long run, and PLEASE don't tell me that "you only play in the short run", so the long run doesn't matter, that's more absurdity. Since when does a series of short sessions NOT add up to one LONG session? The outcomes are random so it makes no difference in terms of results whether you take spins from many different tables over many sessions or if you take them "continuously" from one table.
I can't believe you're attacking someone (mr. ore) for showing you the TRUTH and sharing his skills, time, and effort. ???
No one has attack mr. Ore here. I told him my oppinion about testing with a big bunch of numbers like he has. And he hasnt the complete system before he post the test here.
I am a newbie here but not in the game!
If you mean that 65000 spins in one test will have the same result as 200 real live spins and 200 real spins later the same day will have the same result its your belive not everyone has the same belives.
Thats why we are here to work togheter and dont fight. I quoted mr. Ore first of reaction why he post a test without the complete system and i told my oppinion.
Now system will win allways and the grail will never exist.
John has learned me a couple great things the last weeks and John is realy on right track with his systems.
I back up any system that wins more session than it lose beacuse then we can overcome the loss with a good MM to work with.
I wanted to help here today since John was away and not to start 3 world war :sad2:
We are all in the same boat here and dont need to fight or argue.
Sorry again Mr. Ore if i effended you .
F*** i Su** in englais ;D
Go to a real casino and play and you get real results :)
[/quote]Thats what I preach for years.
Quote from: Mike on Apr 09, 01:55 PM 2011
Sorry, but that's nonsense. There is no difference between playing continuously for 1000s of spins and breaking up your play into short sessions. To suggest that you can avoid losing runs by playing short sessions defies all logic. It could only work if you knew when the bad streaks were coming and quit at the appropriate time - and you can't ever know when that time is.
The point of simulations is to give you an idea of what is likely to happen in the long run, and PLEASE don't tell me that "you only play in the short run", so the long run doesn't matter, that's more absurdity. Since when does a series of short sessions NOT add up to one LONG session? The outcomes are random so it makes no difference in terms of results whether you take spins from many different tables over many sessions or if you take them "continuously" from one table.
I can't believe you're attacking someone (mr. ore) for showing you the TRUTH and sharing his skills, time, and effort. ???
BELIEVE ME THERE IS. I've proven this over many years. And with strong methods like MV5 and PB it becomes very apparent. When you play sessions AT RANDOM your putting RANDOM ON THE SPOT. You want my money? Do this right NOW.
When you play long drawn out sessions you're playing into randoms hands, allowing it to flow and morph and of course it will catch that final pattern more frequently. I've said this before, and proven it for YEARS...
I know when a loss is more likely and when its near IMPOSSIBLE. Virtually ALL my losses came when randoms taken its time to match the firsr SEVEN PATTERNS. 45 OR MORE SPINS. People who play this method over time will come to see very familiar behaviour. Like two or three patterns collecting several repeats during a game. A pattern matched then matched not in the next three spins but the three after that.
All I'm ever concerned about is STRIKERATE and overall P&L. Any method I push from my stable has it or you never hear of it. PATTERN BREAKER has made me some ridiculous profit in relation to what's at risk. And recovery is pretty easy. that's WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL.
And when you hit a killer streak forget about it. You can turn 14 units into three figures in no time.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Apr 09, 02:23 PM 2011
Mike,
I have to differ with you about your analogy. Try this on for size.
In 37 spins, approximately 1/3 of the numbers on a roulette wheel don't show up. Now if you keep spinning without stopping, eventually all of the 37 numbers will show but not on the short term.
So by only spinning in 37 number groupings and then stopping, you do not 100% hits on all of the numbers.
I think that playing for short sessions gives you the same type of results.
Another thing that makes playing short sessions less likely to have a losing session is that if you have a high strike-rate such as 40 to 100/1 by jumping in and out makes it less likely to be playing when the losing session is about to happen.
Sure, sometimes you won't be able to "miss" the loss but the answer to winning consistantly is in the strike rate...strike rate...strike rate.
I'm sure there are better examples of the reason why playing in short sessions works so if any of you have a better one, please feel free to post.
Scooby Doo
Well said Scooby...
Here's my hesitancy. I believe that you can't tell how good a system is until you run it through the 3,000 bet barrier. If a system withstands 3,000 bets and is ahead by enough units to make the time invested in playing the system worth it, then that system is a very solid systems. With this and MV5 it takes a very long time to make that many bets. We can be winning for a long time, but we've really only made a few hundred bets which is too early to make any final decision on. I have lots of systems that win for a hundred or so bets, but they always have that series from hell that knocks the wind out of you.
I'm hoping along with everybody else, that both of these systems hold up for the long haul. Two more arrows in the quiver would be nice.
Geo
@JL,
just wondering, why you think this will not work on RNG?!
vundarosa
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Apr 09, 02:23 PM 2011
Mike,
I have to differ with you about your analogy. Try this on for size.
In 37 spins, approximately 1/3 of the numbers on a roulette wheel don't show up. Now if you keep spinning without stopping, eventually all of the 37 numbers will show but not on the short term.
So by only spinning in 37 number groupings and then stopping, you do not 100% hits on all of the numbers.
I think that playing for short sessions gives you the same type of results.
Another thing that makes playing short sessions less likely to have a losing session is that if you have a high strike-rate such as 40 to 100/1 by jumping in and out makes it less likely to be playing when the losing session is about to happen.
Sure, sometimes you won't be able to "miss" the loss but the answer to winning consistantly is in the strike rate...strike rate...strike rate.
I'm sure there are better examples of the reason why playing in short sessions works so if any of you have a better one, please feel free to post.
Scooby Doo
The longer we play we are more target to lose.
The 2 guys ho want to win 10$ each and the first guy deside to bet 10$ and the second guy keep it low to 1$ (even bet).
The Difference between these 2 guys is that the second guy needs to win 9 times more than the first guy to win the same amount. He is more targed to lose than the first ho only bet 1 bet. ( both can lose off course). but we are her to try win right :)
Play with grater value and less session a day. (short term)
No system will win the same and work the same everyday.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Apr 09, 02:32 PM 2011
Go to a real casino and play and you get real results :)
that's what I preach for years.
Exactly :)
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 09, 02:40 PM 2011
@JL,
just wondering, why you think this will not work on RNG?!
vundarosa
The newbie can answer that ( thats me ;D )
RNG is not roulette its a program( machine ) that is programed to win to the casino.
Thats my oppinion :)
Best Jon
thanks for system i just have silly maybe question (my brain not very good) say i have qualified patern to bet against it say LLL we bet HHH and we win on very next spin,question is do you keep playin till pattern LLL hits and you lose or on win that it is,retrack and play the same way...because i try it and won on second spin but kept playn and had 33 spins before roulette hit patern LLL lost but balance was in plus..so how is played(sorry silly me)..thank you
Well, it was just a quick test of your system. The tool is not complete yet. There is a little difference because I did not fully understand how to use patterns counted from previous session for another. It always retrack after a win, and take new spins. So it wait for one pattern missing, and then it plays against it. If it wins, it immediately forgets history and retrack until there is another pattern missing, it does not use already recorded data. Another unclear thing is that if we track say 15*3 spins and win on first or second and retrack, whether to wait and start on a spin divisible by three. So it tracks 15*3 spins, bet 1 spin, that's 46 spins, and then spins 47,48,49 are used for tracking a new pattern, then 50,51,52 and so on. Right now it just forgets everything and starts tracking again. Only thing that goes between sessions is breadwinner progression if I enable it. Another difference is it plays all three even chances at once to have more betting opportunities.
For those who thinks that there is differnce if you play continuously or have a break, what do you think of this scenario:
After a sesion played on red/black, next session will be played on low/high. Those two even chances are absolutely independent, so we might try switching them. After that we might play even/odd, then low/high, then again red/black and so on. There should be no difference if you do this change or wait. Another possibility would be to switch between bet selections and play it on top of that, either with it or against it, because one chance CAN dominate for several thousands of spins, so the spins act as if they were not independent, and with many bet selections we might try to avoid it. But what if we seek that actually ;)
Quote from: GLC on Apr 09, 02:39 PM 2011
Here's my hesitancy. I believe that you can't tell how good a system is until you run it through the 3,000 bet barrier. If a system withstands 3,000 bets and is ahead by enough units to make the time invested in playing the system worth it, then that system is a very solid systems. With this and MV5 it takes a very long time to make that many bets. We can be winning for a long time, but we've really only made a few hundred bets which is too early to make any final decision on. I have lots of systems that win for a hundred or so bets, but they always have that series from hell that knocks the wind out of you.
I'm hoping along with everybody else, that both of these systems hold up for the long haul. Two more arrows in the quiver would be nice.
Geo
Geo. Ive played nearly 2,500 games in the last two years. PATTERN BREAKER holds up. It isnt just its ability to produce long winning streaks. It how quick you can recover loss. Thats what NEVER registers in people who set out to prove a method loses.
ALL THAT EVER MATTERS IS STRIKERATE. PROFIT TO LOSS.
With MV5 You are risking at base minumum 26 units to win *1* with a method that can win 100s of times in a row, but is not likely to lose twice in a row very often if EVER.
With PATTERN BREAKER, You are risking at base minumum 7 units to win *1* with a method that can WIN MORE THAN 100 times in a row. And rarely lose twice in a row played randomly.
Please take these things onboard before adopting your typical if its loses its no good attitude. These robotic simulators want a test. SHOW US 8 CONSECUTIVE 5 POINTERS. I dare you.
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 09, 02:40 PM 2011
@JL,
just wondering, why you think this will not work on RNG?!
vundarosa
I tried
Pattern Breaker all last week on Real Money RNG (BellaVegas Online Casino) $25 went to $53--then it started losing regularly. (Two bad progressions)
Quote from: maestro on Apr 09, 02:52 PM 2011
Thanks for system I just have silly maybe question (my brain not very good) say I have qualified patern to bet against it say LLL we bet HHH and we win on very next spin,question is do you keep playin till pattern LLL hits and you lose or on win that it is,retrack and play the same way...because I try it and won on second spin but kept playn and had 33 spins before roulette hit patern LLL lost but balance was in plus..so how is played(sorry silly me)..thank you
Start all over after a win :)
thank very much jon,as usual i was doin it wrong,but was realy amazing for 33 spins did not lose but is wrong,so i will retrack after win..thank you
Quote from: maestro on Apr 09, 03:13 PM 2011
Thank very much jon,as usual I was doin it wrong,but was realy amazing for 33 spins did not lose but is wrong,so I will retrack after win..thank you
No problem :)
Quote from: F_LAT_INO link=topic=4655. msg46375#msg46375 date=1302372823
Be there 20-29 of august,usually play in Ruhl casino.
After that 7 days M. C.
contact me by mail i give you my phone we go to casino tour together
Rulh is not the best casino exept if you play visual ballistic
i will show you grand casino Monte Carlo salle europe
or the sporting club Monte Carlo
i million euro cash on roulette table
you won t believe it !!
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 09, 02:40 PM 2011
@JL,
just wondering, why you think this will not work on RNG?!
vundarosa
IT WILL VUNDAROSA, IN PRATICE PLAY LOL. I can beat an RNG all day WHEN ITS NOT REAL MONEY with PB.
But as soon as its real the cheating begins. Do you understand this?
You get fair play until your cash is at stake. A REAL WHEEL DOESNT KNOW WHETHER YOUR PLAYING FOR REAL OR NOT.....
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 09, 03:01 PM 2011
Geo. I've played nearly 2,500 games in the last two years. PATTERN BREAKER holds up. It isnt just its ability to produce long winning streaks. It how quick you can recover loss. that's what NEVER registers in people who set out to prove a method loses.
ALL THAT EVER MATTERS IS STRIKERATE. PROFIT TO LOSS.
With MV5 You are risking at base minumum 26 units to win *1* with a method that can win 100s of times in a row, but is not likely to lose twice in a row very often if EVER.
With PATTERN BREAKER, You are risking at base minumum 7 units to win *1* with a method that can WIN MORE THAN 100 times in a row. And rarely lose twice in a row played randomly.
Please take these things onboard before adopting your typical if its loses its no good attitude. These robotic simulators want a test. SHOW US 8 CONSECUTIVE 5 POINTERS. I dare you.
:thumbsup:
You have done a real good jobb here John with PB ;D
Real Wheel Is The Real Deal :D LoL
I dont know what the name is in english for it but i belive it rimes?
Real Wheel Is The Real Deal
I have notice after only a short while here on CC that some people get negative right when a new system is posted. I feel like its just as they don't want to credit other and only be negative.
Its many good system creators here and they deserve respect when they post the knowledge they have and not negativity.
All the people that have a negative flow sould read a book called "How To Attract Money Now"
" If you give you get "
Its a real good read :)
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 09, 03:31 PM 2011
I have notice after only a short while here on CC that some people get negative right when a new system is posted. I feel like its just as they don't want to credit other and only be negative.
Its many good system creators here and they deserve respect when they post the knowledge they have and not negativity.
All the people that have a negative flow sould read a book called "How To Attract Money Now"
" If you give you get "
Its a real good read :)
Well said Jon :thumbsup:
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 02:52 PM 2011
Well, it was just a quick test of your system. The tool is not complete yet. There is a little difference because I did not fully understand how to use patterns counted from previous session for another. It always retrack after a win, and take new spins. So it wait for one pattern missing, and then it plays against it. If it wins, it immediately forgets history and retrack until there is another pattern missing, it does not use already recorded data. Another unclear thing is that if we track say 15*3 spins and win on first or second and retrack, whether to wait and start on a spin divisible by three. So it tracks 15*3 spins, bet 1 spin, that's 46 spins, and then spins 47,48,49 are used for tracking a new pattern, then 50,51,52 and so on. Right now it just forgets everything and starts tracking again. Only thing that goes between sessions is breadwinner progression if I enable it. Another difference is it plays all three even chances at once to have more betting opportunities.
For those who thinks that there is differnce if you play continuously or have a break, what do you think of this scenario:
After a sesion played on red/black, next session will be played on low/high. Those two even chances are absolutely independent, so we might try switching them. After that we might play even/odd, then low/high, then again red/black and so on. There should be no difference if you do this change or wait. Another possibility would be to switch between bet selections and play it on top of that, either with it or against it, because one chance CAN dominate for several thousands of spins, so the spins act as if they were not independent, and with many bet selections we might try to avoid it. But what if we seek that actually ;)
Mr Ore respect and appreciate your input on this thread. But your core thinking is wrong. We don't simply play every missing pattern. Here is a factual scenario. You have just finished a game and bagged your 2 units.
Your FINAL PATTERN WAS LHL. You decide to play back to back games instead of taking the advised gap/break. That final pattern in your PREVIOUS GAME *ALSO BECOMES THE FINAL PATTERN IN YOUR FOLLOW ON GAME* To use the words of one dirty Harry, you feeling lucky *punk*. PATTERNS are known to be big sleepers like dozens or straights. THEY CAN WAKE UP AT THE WRONG TIME.
that's why I advise single sessions, gap go again. Less is overall MORE in this game keep this in mind people. Don't think like a slot machine player, think like a poker player.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 09, 03:36 PM 2011
Well said Jon :thumbsup:
Its only the truth :)
Its to S***** when we are all here for the same reason right ?
I love the Avatar its from when I was little on television :)
Don't think like a slot machine player, think like a poker player.
This is so right :thumbsup:
Then how would you simulate way a human plays? How many spins wait after a win and starting next session? I would rather look int MM then into waiting, because MM is a key in my opininion.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 09, 03:01 PM 2011
Geo. I've played nearly 2,500 games in the last two years. PATTERN BREAKER holds up. It isnt just its ability to produce long winning streaks. It how quick you can recover loss. that's what NEVER registers in people who set out to prove a method loses.
ALL THAT EVER MATTERS IS STRIKERATE. PROFIT TO LOSS.
With MV5 You are risking at base minumum 26 units to win *1* with a method that can win 100s of times in a row, but is not likely to lose twice in a row very often if EVER.
With PATTERN BREAKER, You are risking at base minumum 7 units to win *1* with a method that can WIN MORE THAN 100 times in a row. And rarely lose twice in a row played randomly.
Please take these things onboard before adopting your typical if its loses its no good attitude. These robotic simulators want a test. SHOW US 8 CONSECUTIVE 5 POINTERS. I dare you.
Sorry John. I re-read my post and couldn't find any statement that can be interpreted as trying to prove your system loses.
I'm just pointing out to some who may not have as much experience as you do playing roulette, to approach every system with a skeptical attitude. Prove it to yourself and be convinced in your own mind before jumping in with hard earned cash.
I don't have a typical "if it loses it's no good attitude".
Read some of my posts. You will see how aware I am that all systems lose.
I must admit that I do have a healthy dose of skepticism when someone starts a topic with a statement such as "I've played 2500 games in the last two years." Why should we believe that statement? We don't know who you really are. It's pushing to bar of credulity to think we will just accept that statement carte blanch. Why did you wait 2 years to share with us? Did it take that long to decide it's a winner?
You mean you were playing this system at the same time you were teaching us about THE ZONE that you had been playing profitably for 11 years. I'm not saying you're not being honest with us, I'm just saying that after 60+ years on this planet I've learned that things have to fit into a normal human pattern to make sense. If they don't, you have to have some skepticism.
There are some very knowledgeable members of this forum with a lot of experience in roulette that you don't see posting here. I have to ask myself, Why? Their support would go a long way in convincing a lot of us to really put some effort into your systems.
Anyway, as I ended my post with, I hope these two systems turn out to be long term winners. Two more arrows in the quiver will be nice.
P.S. For any members who would like a good introduction in the even chances based on this exact pattern development, check out Lucky_Strike's topics "Classics for the even chances parts 1 and 2. You can find them at the VLS forum.
LOL to all
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 04:07 PM 2011
Then how would you simulate way a human plays? How many spins wait after a win and starting next session? I would rather look int MM then into waiting, because MM is a key in my opininion.
I don't simulate play.
Play real casino to get real result.
I agree I MM is very important and a key to a system :)
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 09, 03:42 PM 2011
Its only the truth :)
I love the Avatar its from when I was little on television :)
Type in elmo with ricky gervais on you tube ;D
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 09, 04:47 PM 2011
Type in elmo with ricky gervais on you tube ;D
I allready see him on youtube ;D
He is so cool :)
When i was kid i see on sesamy street :)
RNG 600k spins 2,4,8 progression.
This is problem with this 'human' element of this system.
If it is the 'human element' that makes this work, then how can is possibly work for everyone? We are all different and will all play differently, so it cannot possibly work for us all.
However, if you it is the rules that makes this work, then there should be no problem coding it into a bot because all the bot does it play by the rules.
Which one is it?
RNG 600k spins 2,4,8 progression. Continuation (I save RNG's state between runs, so I always have continously generated random data).
I don't want to make all of you sad, so I won't post another 600k spins 8)
How are you testing this mr. ore? Which program?
C++ and gnuplot for graphs
If you like graphs then software for them is there: link:://:.gnuplot.info/ (link:://:.gnuplot.info/)
Thanks. Can I send you some real spins and you run it through the program?
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 09, 05:05 PM 2011
How are you testing this mr. ore? Which program?
How are you testing so quick mr.ore.Still waiting your answer.
And
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 05:04 PM 2011
RNG 600k spins 2,4,8 progression. Continuation (I save RNG's state between runs, so I always have continously generated random data).
Pretty darn impressive in my books Mr. Ore.
Thanks again. I've seen enough on those last two graphs motivate me to start testing.
Ok, you can post them to download to section.
Quote from: GLC on Apr 09, 05:18 PM 2011
Pretty darn impressive in my books Mr. Ore.
Thanks again. I've seen enough on those last two graphs motivate me to start testing.
It does not work, there are big failures quiet often. The problem is there were not many placed bets over 600k spins.
Quote from: moles40 on Apr 09, 05:12 PM 2011
How are you testing so quick mr.ore.Still waiting your answer.
And
I click to konsole, press arrow up and enter to invoke last command:
make && GSL_RNG_TYPE=ranlux389 ./system4 65536 > /tmp/data.dat
then switch to gnuplot and click refresh, it reads /tmp/data.dat and draw a graph
and then snapshot it with ksnapshot :)
I code it directly in C++, it is the fastest way of testing. This method has a source about 200 lines long. Well over time I made a set of functions to support roulette coding and testing and now if I want to test a system, I just copy-paste source code of older one and make some changes to it.
And now biggest joke of day comes, I just found this in my code settings for simulator:
bool noZero = true;
//bool noZero = false;
All previous simulations are invalid, lol :lol:
64k spins from wiesbaden, this time with zero enabled and working.
Another mistake found - in breadwinner after a loss, I did not reset counter of wins in a row to zero, so it was not so aggressive as breadwinner can be, after "repeair" it is even worse.I hope it is right now.
Tracker is in download section.
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 05:59 PM 2011
Another mistake found - in breadwinner after a loss, I did not reset counter of wins in a row to zero, so it was not so aggressive as breadwinner can be, after "repeair" it is even worse.I hope it is right now.
Sorry to see these latest results Mr. Ore. Thanks for staying with it until you got it right.
This system isn't my cup of tea. See you on the next one.
Geo
I also,is not really for me even if i was playing european wheel,and even if it is producing good results for some.I dont quite get it how puttting groups of 3 have any effect,but like it is said random to beat random.But like the saying goes,for those playing it,why kick it if it is working :)
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 05:44 PM 2011
64k spins from wiesbaden, this time with zero enabled and working.
These graphs dont tell me anything. I deal with roulette in THE REAL WORLD. If I ask you to give me the only information that is of any value concerning PATTERN BREAKER you will fail to do so.
1, How many wins for HIGH LOW *ONLY*. When I endorse any method its on the basis of HOW I PLAYED IT. Nothing else.
2, Longest winning streaks for HIGH LOW ONLY?
3, Double losses for HIGH LOW ONLY.
4, Losses that OCCURRED IN A GAME THAT TOOK MORE THAN 45 spins to reach conclusion. Very important as almost all loses occur in long 45 plus spin games.
You can put a method into a simulator, it simply cannot mimick the play method and decision making of a human player. If for example you have no winning streaks in your mountain range in excess of forty its completely null and void. I have 36 streaks of 40 or more games consecutively won from my recorded 2,500 plus records.
And the POWER of the method remains impressive winning streaks and quick recovery, once you have won 50 or more units profit. You can recover a loss very quickly. Without risking any of your original BR. I will post the numbers for 2,565 REAL GAMES played later. With the data that matters. ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4655. msg46475#msg46475 date=1302416126
You can put a method into a simulator, it simply cannot mimick the play method and decision making of a human player. If for example you have no winning streaks in your mountain range in excess of forty its completely null and void. I have 36 streaks of 40 or more games consecutively won from my recorded 2,500 plus records.
The system is simple enough to understand, but when someone dares to show that it loses you then introduce new rules which weren't present in the original. A computer program can be written to mimic any human actions and decisions, so why didn't you give us the full rules in the first place?
Quote from: Mike on Apr 10, 02:50 AM 2011
The system is simple enough to understand, but when someone dares to show that it loses you then introduce new rules which weren't present in the original. A computer program can be written to mimic any human actions and decisions, so why didn't you give us the full rules in the first place?
I just wanted to show the negative people on here my results.
live wheel and 12 wins in a row +24 went to 3rd step twice.
Before people say it does not work they must play lots of games to see the true results
for themselfs.
Mike you say johnlegend changed the rules but he as not .
He is only breaking it down into important parts of the game which changes the outcome.
I will keep everyone updated on how I go this week.
How long did it take U to get those 12 wins Rob22?
average spins 35 to 60
a break of at least half an hour between sessions.
using real human spins latvian girls 12 wins in row.
staying away from slingshot live because of the bad result
2 losses in 6 games
Quote from: ROB22 link=topic=4655. msg46479#msg46479 date=1302420059
I just wanted to show the negative people on here my results.
Can we stop the labelling of people as "negative"? it achieves nothing and just encourages bickering. The perfectly reasonable question is this: why is mr. ore's simulation invalid if he used all the rules correctly?
@ ROB22, 12 sessions doesn't really prove anything.
Real world and real roulette .
Does 57 sessions prove more than Robs 12 sessions ? + todays session 3. 33 sessions is in a row without loss.
Had losings sessions but recovered with 7.14.28 progression in the next games!
Now I will play the rest of my session for the morning :)
Jon
Nice work jon86 :thumbsup:
And U too Rob22.
I would like for someone to post up an actual game session for us all to see.
And who ever can do that, would they use my Reveal feature, to keep the thread nice and tidy.
Its the window sign just above the smileys, two back from the Pi symbol.
[reveal][attachimg=#][/reveal]
Just put any info/data/table/list inside the square brackets,
(where the cursor ends up after U click the 'window', in making a reply or Private Message)
and its nice and easy for all members to access.
Cheers
Quote from: Mike on Apr 10, 02:50 AM 2011
The system is simple enough to understand, but when someone dares to show that it loses you then introduce new rules which weren't present in the original. A computer program can be written to mimic any human actions and decisions, so why didn't you give us the full rules in the first place?
The rules are on page one. the way its been tested is flawed FULL STOP. The name of the game is PROFIT TO LOSS., Simply betting the same 2,4,8 progression on a continuos 64k sample does NOT give a true mirror of the P&L
that will be achieved by someone RESPONDING to their results. Until you take this onboard you're not on the right wavelength.
I play *5* games a day on average. Smart money management. takes this method to another level. I haven't gone into all the aspects that make this method a gem. As I wanted people to fully grasp the fundamentals first. Its never been pushed as invincible. We have MV5 pushing us closer to those borders.
Its value comes from the relatively small buy in of *14* units. And its ability to produce impressive winning streaks that when matched with smart money management can take that streak up quickly. EXAMPLE of a 20 game winning streak.
14+2=16
16+2=18
18+2=20
20+2=22
22+2=24--ADD 4 up to level 2
28+4=32
32+4=36
36+4=40
40+4=44
44+4=48--ADD 8 up to level 3
56+8=64
64+8=72
72+8=80
80+8=88
88+8=96--ADD 16 up to level 4
112+16=128
128+16=144
144+16=160
160+16=176
176+16=192
Total investment over the twenty game streak 42 units. Total profit 150 units. This is an example of what's possible in a short time frame with this method. I have done this over a four day period. many many times.
What I recommend is you stay with the basic staking UNTIL you have won 100 units. Then you can be more experimental when you are risking your PROFITS. I have a winning streak of 112 in my records the longest of them all.
And streaks in excess of 20 are common. If you understand how to exploit this raising and lowering your progressions. You will realize some very satisfying profits.
Another fine tuning element that can be used to create long winning streaks is SELECTIVE BETTING. By this I mean if for example you lack the patience to wait four days to win 150 units. And want to play more games in a day. What I know from my experience with this game is virtually ALL loses occur the wrong side of 45 spins. Taking the Zero out of the equation. If random has taken its time to arrive at the FINAL PATTERN, by multi-repeating on other patterns. This is when it often matches the final TWO PATTERNS consecutively. Only experience can give you this judgement. And its wise to become MORE SELECTIVE about when to bet especially when you want to roll up a 15+ winning streak. MV5 is more of an auto pilot method.
PATTERN BREAKER in its ULTIMATE FORM. Is more of a manually controlled method. All my success with this method has come from learning randoms common behaviour with that final pattern.
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4655. msg46495#msg46495 date=1302424478
What I know from my experience with this game is virtually ALL loses occur the wrong side of 45 spins.
In that case then why not reverse the bet in those situations? That is, instead of betting AGAINST the pattern, bet FOR it.
You can simulate playing a limited number of sessions per day by getting the computer to skip spins between sessions, there's no problem with that.
Quote from: Mike on Apr 10, 04:41 AM 2011
In that case then why not reverse the bet in those situations? That is, instead of betting AGAINST the pattern, bet FOR it.
You can simulate playing a limited number of sessions per day by getting the computer to skip spins between sessions, there's no problem with that.
That isnt a bad idea Mike. As it requires 7 wins to match a loss. I will look over my records for all games taking 45 or more spins to arrive at the final pattern. Maybe you tech guys could test it with your idea.
Might be grounds for a tweak, revision in the rules there, thanks.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 04:34 AM 2011
14+2=16
16+2=18
18+2=20
20+2=22
22+2=24--ADD 4 up to level 2
28+4=32
32+4=36
36+4=40
40+4=44
44+4=48--ADD 8 up to level 3
56+8=64
64+8=72
72+8=80
80+8=88
88+8=96--ADD 16 up to level 4
112+16=128
128+16=144
144+16=160
160+16=176
176+16=192
Like it :xd:
could somebody please make it clear about the zero if it hits like say H0L do we disregard the three or just lose the zero and use the H and L sorry to be a nuisance but i just cannot get my head round the rules when the zero hits
You assign the H0L (or any three cluster with a zero in it) to an unhit pattern (you choose) and give it a number.
what is the reason it gets a number Im still unclear about this
To what pattern do you assign H0L? In my simulation I disregard those result, because in description he writes them down under the 8 patterns, so they are actually ignored.
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 10, 08:16 AM 2011
To what pattern do you assign H0L? In my simulation I disregard those result, because in description he writes them down under the 8 patterns, so they are actually ignored.
That is the way to do it :)
are all 3 are ignored
mr.ore thank you for your tracker, can you please tell me ho to get graphs working i went to site where is gnuplot download it but getting gnuplot.exe unable to locate component,also says failed to start because cyggcc_s-1.dll was not found..thank you ..i like the tracker did play 305 spins 15wins and 1 loss,120 spins 9 wins did not get losss... :thumbsup:
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 10, 08:34 AM 2011
Are all 3 are ignored
Yes. Ingnore. Just note them under the 8 patterns an give them the number so dont mix up with other spins:)
Great concept.
My thoughts about the randomness is just a little different.
Randomness has to follow its lows permanent without exeption.
If a system only works if you stop playing for some time until you continue, then the diference between winning and loosing is based on an individual factor: LUCK or BAD LUCK.
In fact if u go to the casino and record the numbers like:
2 17 28 6 13 . . .
and the system wins, then it also should win if u take one more second at the red traffic light and when arriving at the casino u record:
17 28 6 13 . . .
Conclusion is that you should be able to run the system permanently and start a new separate record with every number popping up on the roulette. So u could run up to minimum 3 session at the same time and same roulette table.
Mr. Legend u have real roulette numbers, maybe u can have a look at that.
I run the system on William Hill live playing Red/Black, Odd/Even, High/Low the same time.
22 win bets
2 lost bets
cheers.
Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 10, 10:40 AM 2011
Great concept.
My thoughts about the randomness is just a little different.
Randomness has to follow its lows permanent without exception.
If a system only works if you stop playing for some time until you continue, then the diference between winning and losing is based on an individual factor: LUCK or BAD LUCK.
In fact if you go to the casino and record the numbers like:
2 17 28 6 13 . . .
and the system wins, then it also should win if you take one more second at the red traffic light and when arriving at the casino you record:
17 28 6 13 . . .
Conclusion is that you should be able to run the system permanently and start a new separate record with every number popping up on the roulette. So you could run up to minimum 3 session at the same time and same roulette table.
Mr. Legend you have real roulette numbers, maybe you can have a look at that.
I run the system on William Hill live playing Red/Black, Odd/Even, High/Low the same time.
22 win bets
2 lost bets
cheers.
A system that works the same way will never be beacuse the game change every spin and are never the same. But trapp the game and win a loot between the loss and if it dont lose in a row so often we can have a little control.
Jon
hmm
Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 10, 11:30 AM 2011
Hmm
I think you dont understand or me dont understand what you mean ?
Jon :)
Rolleti!
You removed the post .
Jon :)
Loving the pattern Breaker BUT......
Just an observation really is that I seem to be getting more instant wins betting FOR the pattern rarther than against. I don't know if anybody eles is experiencing this too.
Maybe because that pattern is the most DUE pattern it sometimes actually HITS ???
What you think John?
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 10, 12:30 PM 2011
Loving the pattern Breaker BUT......
Just an observation really is that I seem to be getting more instant wins betting FOR the pattern rarther than against. I don't know if anybody eles is experiencing this too.
Maybe because that pattern is the most DUE pattern it sometimes actually HITS ???
What you think John?
We now that its imposible that all 8 pattern hit in a row. How can we work on that knowledge. Can we bet last spin of every pattern that it will be opposit ? It will be 8 stepps and thats crazy
;D
But we now that the dont hit in order all 8 patterns.
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 10, 01:31 PM 2011
It will be 8 stepps and that's crazy
3 steps is enough for my bankroll :-[
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 10, 01:43 PM 2011
3 steps is enough for my bankroll :-[
Me to :D
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 10, 12:30 PM 2011
Loving the pattern Breaker BUT......
Just an observation really is that I seem to be getting more instant wins betting FOR the pattern rarther than against. I don't know if anybody eles is experiencing this too.
Maybe because that pattern is the most DUE pattern it sometimes actually HITS ???
What you think John?
I think u may have turned PB into a grail WELL DONE ZIG. Ive been checking back it works let the tech boys test the rev ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 03:44 PM 2011
I think you may have turned PB into a grail WELL DONE ZIG. I've been checking back it works let the tech boys test the rev ;D
So PB works best if played in reverse ?
Bet the last Pattern TO form ?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 03:44 PM 2011
I think you may have turned PB into a grail WELL DONE ZIG. I've been checking back it works let the tech boys test the rev ;D
I dont understand what you mean now?
Bet the last pattern?
Jon
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 03:44 PM 2011
I think you may have turned PB into a grail WELL DONE ZIG. I've been checking back it works let the tech boys test the rev ;D
Oh dear what have i done :D
My observation came as a result of playing the original way most of my wins came from 2nd or 3rd step. Also the DUE factor
My testing is VERY limited so thanks for the clarification from your results John :thumbsup:
JL
Can you post your results from your gathered data with regard to playin this in reverse ?
Is it now best to bet the last pattern TO form ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 10, 03:52 PM 2011
So PB works best if played in reverse ?
Bet the last Pattern TO form ?
Twister Zigs observation just made a good method into a GREAT ONE. Just as you and Atlantis helped me perfect the MATRIX VERTICAL concept. ZIG ZAG has just made an incredible observation I couldnt realize on my own.
Actually Mike got me thinking earlier today about betting for the last pattern instead of against. I've only checked 200 of my past results so far, but it would appear that TOTAL NON MATCHES to the final pattern are a lot less frequent than total or partial MATCHES.
PATTERN BREAKER MAY NOW BE IN GRAIL WATERS. ;D :o ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 04:38 PM 2011
Twister Zigs observation just made a good method into a GREAT ONE. Just as you and Atlantis helped me perfect the MATRIX VERTICAL concept. ZIG ZAG has just made an incredible observation I couldnt realize on my own.
Actually Mike got me thinking earlier today about betting for the last pattern instead of against. I've only checked 200 of my past results so far, but it would appear that TOTAL NON MATCHES to the final pattern are a lot less frequent than total or partial MATCHES.
PATTERN BREAKER MAY NOW BE IN GRAIL WATERS. ;D :o ;D
Awesome :xd:
Maybe you could post a breakdown of all your data ?
would be good to see it as you have the numbers :thumbsup:
Johnlegen/Zigzag .
So you say that its better result if bet the last pattern will hit?
Best Jon
;D 8) ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 10, 04:50 PM 2011
Awesome :xd:
Maybe you could post a breakdown of all your data ?
would be good to see it as you have the numbers :thumbsup:
Lol will do Twister, give me a couple of days though. Ive got 2,570 results to wade through. BUT, if Zigs observation is as consistent as the first 200 games. PATTERN BREAKER unit for unit has just become THE ONE.
Zig you have sealed your place in history. PB AND MV5=GAME OVER FOR ROULETTE AND MATHS... 8)
here we go changing the rules again this time180 degrees
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 10, 05:04 PM 2011
Here we go changing the rules again this time180 degrees
LOL :D
Only 2 days you write exactly the same :)
It looks funny :)
Cheers
Jon
John. Lets hope your other 2,370 results show the same ;D
I will continue to test :thumbsup:
I thought the point of the Pattern Breaker was that when you have one pattern unhit, random doesn't like to produce this pattern.
How can you then turn this around completely and it still be a winner? Either betting against the pattern is a winner, or betting for the pattern is a winner. You can't have both.
I'm confused now.
so do you but i dont always understand
i agree with force lets sort it out please
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 10, 05:13 PM 2011
So do you but I don't always understand
I didnt mean that you look funny only the post its like dejavu :)
I was not rude only bad english :)
Jon
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 10, 05:04 PM 2011
Here we go changing the rules again this time180 degrees
OMG that made me laugh lol :D
You are correct though ;D
Buuuuut if it turns out Zig fluked a Grail, so be it :xd: :xd: :xd: :twisted: :thumbsup: :lol:
So betting against the pattern was almost the grail, now betting for the pattern is almost the grail.
Is that even possible?
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 10, 05:29 PM 2011
So betting against the pattern was almost the grail, now betting for the pattern is almost the grail.
Is that even possible?
Maybe, it would seem :xd: :lol:
We will see what happens now. :)
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 10, 05:29 PM 2011
So betting against the pattern was almost the grail, now betting for the pattern is almost the grail.
Is that even possible?
Force, betting against the pattern was never near a grail. It was a good method with a small buy in and potential for long winning streaks BUT NOT PLAYING CONSECUTIVELY.
Now if what Im thinking and what the results are showing. YOU CAN BET ALL DAY and still make profit.
Because as Zig pointed out, even when you win. There is virtually always at least one match to the last pattern. AND OF COURSE FULL MATCHES. What I know for sure is FULL NON MATCHES HAPPEN LESS THAN FULL MATCHES. Thats where the method has just moved up bigtime.
even if its not the grail this one has been fun
i liked the whole concept of JL methods but even i lost now. i thought it was impossible for all 8 patterns to show? isnt that what makes the system? so if you now bet with the pattern how does that work?
maybe i have missed something but you people are crazy :wink: :xd:
Quote from: frost on Apr 10, 06:05 PM 2011
maybe I have missed something but you people are crazy :wink: :xd:
;D :xd: :thumbsup:
Quote from: frost on Apr 10, 06:05 PM 2011
I liked the whole concept of JL methods but even I lost now. I thought it was impossible for all 8 patterns to show? isnt that what makes the system? so if you now bet with the pattern how does that work?
maybe I have missed something but you people are crazy :wink: :xd:
It is imposible for all 8 to come in a row. Its will allways be repeats.
Jon
oh so i did miss something...
thanks for clearing that up :thumbsup:
Ok, maybe switching to betting for the pattern improves upon betting against it.
But how can you call it the grail when zigzag only came up with the idea today?
Surely you cannot call something the grail when it hasn't even been played properly before. It might have potential, but it requires a lot more testing before it can be claimed to be the grail.
Quote from: maestro on Apr 10, 08:39 AM 2011
Mr.ore thank you for your tracker, can you please tell me ho to get graphs working I went to site where is gnuplot download it but getting gnuplot.exe unable to locate component,also says failed to start because cyggcc_s-1.dll was not found..thank you ..i like the tracker did play 305 spins 15wins and 1 loss,120 spins 9 wins did not get losss... :thumbsup:
Try this older version:
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Arise sir ZIG ZAG, Rochdales favourite son. On April 10th of our year 2011 A.D You did suggest to a roulette forum and one John Legend Author of a method known as THE PATTERN BREAKER.
Its full potential shall be realized by reversing the final sought outcome. In doing so you sent shockwaves through an industry. Dumbfounded arrogant smug mathematicians.
Forever banished the long held belief that the devils wheel could not be bested in long term aspirations. And set in motion a revolution that has all but put the noble casinos out of business.
YUP, I already know people, after 600 results checked. THIS IS THE DAY THAT CHANGES ROULETTE *FOREVER*. It is unreal..
To use Twisters words, my gosh ZIG ZAG HAS FLUKED *THE HOLY GRAIL*
Can you check this mr. ore, to see how it compares to the original pattern breaker.
See what happens when you reverse to betting for the pattern, rather than against it.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 07:02 PM 2011
Arise sir ZIG ZAG, Rochdales favourite son. On April 10th of our year 2011 A.D You did suggest to a roulette forum and one John Legend Author of a method known as THE PATTERN BREAKER.
Its full potential shall be realized by reversing the final sought outcome. In doing so you sent shockwaves through an industry. Dumbfounded arrogant smug mathematicians.
Forever banished the long held belief that the devils wheel could not be bested in long term aspirations. And set in motion a revolution that has all but put the noble casinos out of business.
YUP, I already know people, after 600 results checked. THIS IS THE DAY THAT CHANGES ROULETTE *FOREVER*. It is unreal..
To use Twisters words, my gosh ZIG ZAG HAS FLUKED *THE HOLY GRAIL*
Great Zigzag :) good jobb.
This is great guys. I will start tomorow :)
Jon
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 10, 06:57 PM 2011
Ok, maybe switching to betting for the pattern improves upon betting against it.
But how can you call it the grail when zigzag only came up with the idea today?
Surely you cannot call something the grail when it hasn't even been played properly before. It might have potential, but it requires a lot more testing before it can be claimed to be the grail.
Force listen to me very carefully. I HAVE JUST CHECKED BACK OVER 650 real results. THERE ARE ONLY 4 TOTAL NON MATCHES to the FINAL PATTERN in *650* Games played. ONE LOSS EQUALS 7 WINS. Do the math people. THIS IS THE DAY.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 07:02 PM 2011
my gosh ZIG ZAG HAS FLUKED *THE HOLY GRAIL*
I will send that quote to my local village paper ;D :xd: :-[
Just to let you know and true to Johns words about pattern breaker i have NEVER lost 2 bets in a row with the original. It ALWAYS recoverd.
BUT
I couldnt help thinking. Why so many times dose pattern 8 follow pattern 7 immediatly straight away far too many times than you think it should?
My conculstion was because its THE only pattern left and its THE MOST DUE and so the MOST LIKLEY to arrive. When you win your probably only just missing the fanal pattern within a few spins or so
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 10, 07:05 PM 2011
Can you check this mr. ore, to see how it compares to the original pattern breaker.
See what happens when you reverse to betting for the pattern, rather than against it.
Of course I have tried it during testing. There is no visible difference, it only loses on different spins.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 07:27 PM 2011
Force listen to me very carefully. I HAVE JUST CHECKED BACK OVER 650 real results. THERE ARE ONLY 4 TOTAL NON MATCHES to the FINAL PATTERN in *650* Games played. ONE LOSS EQUALS 7 WINS. Do the math people. THIS IS THE DAY.
Let's say the last unhit pattern is HLH
We bet H, if we win, then we win 1 unit.
If we lost, we be L, then H. Right?
But if the first H loses, then hasn't the pattern already failed? If you get bet H but the result is L, then how can you still get the pattern HLH?
Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 10, 07:34 PM 2011
Of course I have tried it during testing. There is no visible difference, it only loses on different spins.
Sorry but in the REAL WORLD theres some SERIOUS DIFFERENCE. FOUR TOTAL LOSSES in 650 games. Your simulators are worthless. REAL RESULTS is what count I have 2,570 of them. :o :o
let me follow this ,, you cross off the 7 patterns as the come then you bet for the missing one 2, 4, 8? if you get a hit ?
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 10, 07:38 PM 2011
Let's say the last unit pattern is HLH
We bet H, if we win, then we win 1 unit.
If we lost, we be L, then H. Right?
But if the first H loses, then hasn't the pattern already failed? If you get bet H but the result is L, then how can you still get the pattern HLH?
You only require ONE MATCH to the last pattern Force I.E
HLH LAST PATTERN
LHH-WIN WITH HIGH THIRD SPIN.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 10, 07:31 PM 2011
I will send that quote to my local village paper ;D :xd: :-[
Just to let you know and true to Johns words about pattern breaker I have NEVER lost 2 bets in a row with the original. It ALWAYS recoverd.
BUT
I couldnt help thinking. Why so many times dose pattern 8 follow pattern 7 immediatly straight away far too many times than you think it should?
My conculstion was because its THE only pattern left and its THE MOST DUE and so the MOST LIKLEY to arrive. When you win your probably only just missing the fanal pattern within a few spins or so
Love it ZigZag :) its logic but you saw it right infront of you :)
Jon
Hi mr.ore
I use your tracker its great :thumbsup:
BUT
I know it tracks all 3 bets but say you loose on EOE dose it then continue to look for the r/b and h/l and continue to next step of progression on the remaining even chance patterns? Its just that your next bets for h/l and r/b should still be at level one and only go up the highier step of the progression during your next NEW session again on the E/O
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 10, 07:31 PM 2011
I will send that quote to my local village paper ;D :xd: :-[
Just to let you know and true to Johns words about pattern breaker I have NEVER lost 2 bets in a row with the original. It ALWAYS recoverd.
BUT
I couldnt help thinking. Why so many times dose pattern 8 follow pattern 7 immediatly straight away far too many times than you think it should?
My conculstion was because its THE only pattern left and its THE MOST DUE and so the MOST LIKLEY to arrive. When you win your probably only just missing the fanal pattern within a few spins or so
Me to not lose 2 in a row and recovered with 7.14.28 every time easy :)
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 10, 07:54 PM 2011
Me to not lose 2 in a row and recovered with 7.14.28 every time easy :)
Jon
And the money managment chart John gave to us is brilliant. Imagine that in just 20 wins how much you can win starting with just 2 unit bet :o
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 07:45 PM 2011
You only require ONE MATCH to the last pattern Force I.E
HLH LAST PATTERN
LHH-WIN WITH HIGH THIRD SPIN.
Thanks John,
But my questions remains:
What does LLH have to do with HLH. Yes, there is a match on the last H, but in terms of patterns, they are not related at all. So the system hasn't identified any specific pattern.
How about this instead.
The last unhit pattern is HLH. Now, wait for HL to show then bet H to come. In this case, you are actually betting for the last unhit pattern to show. Otherwise, you are just betting a random pattern.
So, just to be clear for all new members joining this thread
We write down the Patterns and when 7 of the 8 have hit we bet FOR the final Pattern to form ?
Would we not have to just bet the 3rd and final leg of the formation of that Pattern (as mentioned by force)
For example,
We now have 7 Patterns
The missing one is
HHH
So we wait for HH THEN bet H ?
And IF it loses then we wait for another HH so we can bet the final H
So the progression would ALWAYS be on the 3rd leg of any HH UNTIL the final H arrives, giving us HHH
If we don't wait for HH then we are bettin random
JL, Is all of that correct ?
Hi everybody
How are you all doing?
I would like to thank JL for this great system, its awesome.
The whole fourm is awesome.
I have just two things to ask/say:
1. ok, assuming we have
HHH - 1
LLL - 2
HLH - 3
LHL - 4
HHL - 5
LLH - 6
HLL - 7
LHH
Now, we have LHH that didn't hit. We bet LHH. If we lose do we just put 8 beside LHH, erase the 1 beside HHH and start betting HHH?
This would be like we started 3 spins after the previous session.
Is this how to play PB? Is this what the numbers are for?
And what if we win?how do we go then?
Or do we start from beginning every time we win/lose?start new tracking no matter the outcome?
and 2:
I played yesterday PB in Titan Casino
I went from 113 units to 141 units and then lost all. Yes thats right.
I had 4 loses in 8 sessions, 2 in a row.
It was L,L,W,W,L,W,W,L.
BUT, i did a lot retracking so this could be the reason why. I played like I asked above, erasing numbers till i got 7 unique and then bet against the 8.
And it worked like a charm till it didn't :)
What can I say, I got greedy, dont we all? :D
I learned that PB can make you a lot of money, but you can lose it all if you get greedy.
So folks don't be greedy, take it slow and win slowly but surely
I think that's the key
I think that with PB everyone can make money, just have to be patient :)
gentlemen, you are much too close to the holy gral.
if this gets too public and everybody will play this system. all casinos in the world will be closed and we have lost the source of our income.
THINK ABOUT IT.
I recommend to close and delete this topic.
cheers.
I talked with JohnLegend Rolletti about that issue and he says there aren't enough bettors with the patience to stick to the system for it to be a threat.
Besides I think the Grail is alternating between two (or more) very,very strong systems.
looks like you are some guys beeing close friends working together on these topics I can show u how dangerous close u are on the situation I descibed above.
send me mail. I will replay the proof and u can discuss with Legend and ur other friends.
please explain rolletti
Here I just want to confirm that the system, both ways played is a 87% winner.
played with propper progression after loosing a pattern, 100% winner.
Legend. What do u think will happen if everyone how wents to casino to win plays this system??
Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 11, 06:15 AM 2011
Here I just want to confirm that the system, both ways played is a 87% winner.
played with propper progression after losing a pattern, 100% winner.
Legend. What do you think will happen if everyone how wents to casino to win plays this system??
how did you test this system to get those results
I can tell all one thing.
Take a close look at the 8 pattern and think whats never gonna happen ;D
This is a winner in many ways. But its one way to play this 8 pattern that never gonna lose.
Jon
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 11, 05:18 AM 2011
So, just to be clear for all new members joining this thread
We write down the Patterns and when 7 of the 8 have hit we bet FOR the final Pattern to form ?
Would we not have to just bet the 3rd and final leg of the formation of that Pattern (as mentioned by force)
For example,
We now have 7 Patterns
The missing one is
HHH
So we wait for HH THEN bet H ?
And IF it loses then we wait for another HH so we can bet the final H
So the progression would ALWAYS be on the 3rd leg of any HH UNTIL the final H arrives, giving us HHH
If we don't wait for HH then we are bettin random
JL, Is all of that correct ?
No Twister were NOT attempting to match the final pattern just win on one of the three possible matching spins. The idea is A complete non match IE
LHL LAST PATTERN
HLH COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
doesn't happen to our delight very often. ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 11, 06:34 AM 2011
No Twister were NOT attempting to match the final pattern just win on one of the three possible matching spins. The idea is A complete non match IE
LHL LAST PATTERN
HLH COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
doesn't happen to our delight very often. ;D
I tought if we had HHH as last pattern we would bet on HHH ?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 11, 05:55 AM 2011
I talked with JohnLegend Rolletti about that issue and he says there aren't enough bettors with the patience to stick to the system for it to be a threat.
Besides I think the Grail is alternating between two (or more) very,very strong systems.
100 % correct,only a couple out of a couple hundred will have patience and discipline to play this way.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 11, 06:34 AM 2011
No Twister were NOT attempting to match the final pattern just win on one of the three possible matching spins. The idea is A complete non match IE
LHL LAST PATTERN
HLH COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
doesn't happen to our delight very often. ;D
Ah I see :thumbsup:
Say ure last Pattern is HHH
and you get LLZ
How far back do you retrack or would you take a break ?
Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 11, 05:51 AM 2011
Gentlemen, you are much too close to the holy grail.
if this gets too public and everybody will play this system. all casinos in the world will be closed and we have lost the source of our income.
THINK ABOUT IT.
I recommend to close and delete this topic.
cheers.
It wont happen but if one in a hundred get this method a nice dent in their profits and ABSOLUTE PROOF roulettes no longer the game of fools.
fair play legend
I salute you ... works for fools
Moreover, I think if people alternate Pattern Breaker High/Low with Odd/Even (the wheel layouts of the two are similar), that alone would be it!
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 11, 06:40 AM 2011
I tought if we had HHH as last pattern we would bet on HHH ?
We do Jon but we stop at a win so in your example if high hit on the next spin GAME OVER.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 11, 06:55 AM 2011
We do Jon but we stop at a win so in your example if high hit on the next spin GAME OVER.
I dont understand ;D
So if last pattern is HHH we bet H ? If win the game is over? If not we bet on next H?
Jon :)
yes jon thats right
Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 11, 05:51 AM 2011
Gentlemen, you are much too close to the holy grail.
if this gets too public and everybody will play this system. all casinos in the world will be closed and we have lost the source of our income.
THINK ABOUT IT.
I recommend to close and delete this topic.
cheers.
How close are we ?
Care to share ?
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 11, 06:31 AM 2011
I can tell all one thing.
Take a close look at the 8 pattern and think what's never gonna happen ;D
This is a winner in many ways. But its one way to play this 8 pattern that never gonna lose.
Jon
Can you explain with a bit more detail please Jon
Quote from: ROB22 on Apr 11, 07:34 AM 2011
Can you explain with a bit more detail please Jon
My english is bad but i will show when i figure out how to explain so all understand :)
on a loss ,, do we reset and start counting 7 new blocks again?
thanks
re track upto 3 times MAX
Re track block starts
[7 15 17] [35 34 29] [15 8 12] on a retrack
[15 17 35] etc on a retrack
[17 35 34] etc
not getting your retrack? what are those numbers?
i thought you just started anew?
/
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 11, 08:05 AM 2011
Re track upto 3 times MAX
Re track block starts
[7 15 17] [35 34 29] [15 8 12] on a retrack
[15 17 35] etc on a retrack
[17 35 34] etc
Retrack?
If we lose on the last pattern doesnt we start all over with new spins?
Jon
I don't know how John retracks but the way i do is
Maybe John or other have better way to retrack
Personaly i re track last 20
so say from your last 20 spins the block started like this
[LLL] [HHH] [LLL]
on each re track i would move 1 over to the right so your starting blocks would now look like this
[LLH] [HHL] etc
Just to mix it up a bit using same numbers.
Maybe others have better ways ???
Yes Jon, you start from the beginning or end session
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I wanted to share an alternative even chance tactic
A. 1st Dozen, 25-30
B. 2nd Dozen, 31-36
These two letters are European wheel neighbor friendly
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AAB BBA
ABB BAA
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Yes on a loss start new session
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 11, 08:24 AM 2011
I don't know how John retracks but the way I do is
Maybe John or other have better way to retrack
Personaly I re track last 20
so say from your last 20 spins the block started like this
[LLL] [HHH] [LLL]
on each re track I would move 1 over to the right so your starting blocks would now look like this
[LLH] [HHL] etc
Just to mix it up a bit using same numbers.
Maybe others have better ways ???
I get it now :)
Its just a different way to do it :)
I start all over after a win or loss but its the same :)
John said on a win we can re track upto 3 times i think but on a loss we start a new :-\
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 11, 08:32 AM 2011
John said on a win we can re track upto 3 times I think but on a loss we start a new :-\
Yes thats right :)
:thumbsup:
Okay.
I have real trouble with my English to try to describe and tell something.
I understand and can read pretty well but not write and tell my own things :D LoL
Here we go. I will try to get all to understand without describe with combinations and patterns so maiby you guys understand me so I don't have to use 3 years on this :)
We all now with the 8 patterns what 100% will happen and that is that the beutifull latvian girls will hit some of the combinations in 8 patterns right.
Or they will not hit all 8 in a row its exactly the same.
Do some understand where this is going? See on the 8 pattern and we note the HH got example and bet for the last combination in all patterns to hit :)
Hope you understand and can see what I mean. One of the 8 patterns will hit since this is all combination posible on the table.
If not understand I will need a little time to write with example and try to describe what I mean.
Jon
One of the 8 patterns will hit! If the HHH don't hit we wait for new combination in our 8 pattern like LH and bet the last combination to hit.
1 of the pattern will hit. :)
We dont bet same combination beacuse of repeats so this is for the patient but as we know patient pay of :)
Quote from: soggett on Apr 11, 05:50 AM 2011
Hi everybody
How are you all doing?
I would like to thank JL for this great system, its awesome.
The whole fourm is awesome.
I have just two things to ask/say:
1. ok, assuming we have
HHH - 1
LLL - 2
HLH - 3
LHL - 4
HHL - 5
LLH - 6
HLL - 7
LHH
Now, we have LHH that didn't hit. We bet LHH. If we lose do we just put 8 beside LHH, erase the 1 beside HHH and start betting HHH?
This would be like we started 3 spins after the previous session.
Is this how to play PB? Is this what the numbers are for?
And what if we win?how do we go then?
Or do we start from beginning every time we win/lose?start new tracking no matter the outcome?
and 2:
I played yesterday PB in Titan Casino
I went from 113 units to 141 units and then lost all. Yes that's right.
I had 4 loses in 8 sessions, 2 in a row.
It was L,L,W,W,L,W,W,L.
BUT, I did a lot retracking so this could be the reason why. I played like I asked above, erasing numbers till I got 7 unique and then bet against the 8.
And it worked like a charm till it didn't :)
What can I say, I got greedy, don't we all? :D
I learned that PB can make you a lot of money, but you can lose it all if you get greedy.
So folks don't be greedy, take it slow and win slowly but surely
I think that's the key
I think that with PB everyone can make money, just have to be patient :)
Soggett you are playing PATTERN BREAKER WRONG. After a win if you decide to play continuosly you must start tracking FRESH Spins against your 8 unique patterns not home in on the first formed pattern from your previous game.
PATIENCE, is the requirement to beat this game consistently. Its better to wait for SUCCESS than rush to FAILURE. that's the motto I live by.
Jon86
So if you see LH
How do you know wich to go for?
LHH or LHL?
Or am i reading you wrong ???
this seemed so simple when it started lol, now im getting confused
can anyone post a long list of examples? i want to hand test it but want to do it right
thanks
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 11, 09:14 AM 2011
This seemed so simple when it started LoL, now I'm getting confused
can anyone post a long list of examples? I want to hand test it but want to do it right
thanks
just go on the first page.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 11, 09:04 AM 2011
Jon86
So if you see LH
How do you know wich to go for?
LHH or LHL?
Or am I reading you wrong ???
I think since the revision some of you are getting crossed wires.
ALL we are doing differently than the original play method is betting FOR the final pattern instead of AGAINST.
So your aim isnt to MATCH THE ENTIRE PATTERN or wait for part of it to form and go after the rest of the pattern.
YOUR AIM, is to match part of the remaining pattern to achieve a won game. EXAMPLES
HLH-THE FINAL PATTERN
HXX
XLX
XXH-All three of these outcomes represent a won game. ITS CRUCIAL everybody fully understands this. Because I'm nearly half way through my records and the strikerate even including ZERO is holding at approx 20/1 for a method that requires 7/1 to break even.
Please ask me AGAIN AND AGAIN until you nail this. I've played 13 CONTINUOS games today and won them ALL with the revised method. TOMORROW along with my report for 2,570 games. Il post the revised rules.
the name should be changed to pattern match so there is no confusion.
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4655. msg46789#msg46789 date=1302526916
Soggett you are playing PATTERN BREAKER WRONG. After a win if you decide to play continuosly you must start tracking FRESH Spins against your 8 unique patterns not home in on the first formed pattern from your previous game.
PATIENCE, is the requirement to beat this game consistently. Its better to wait for SUCCESS than rush to FAILURE. that's the motto I live by.
Thanks JL, now I get it :thumbsup:
One more thing
Say our last unhit is HHH
we bet H and win.
Now we want to continue playing and start a fresh PB - Do we start from the very next spin, or do we wait for 2 more spins for the trip to be over and then start?
or it doesn't matter at all?
We do retracking like ZigZag posted right?
I am not talking about playing the same way as betting only last pattern :)
I will work out a Word Doc and attach with example.
John and ZigZag if we bet On LH to be LHH its a miss so we note that as a miss and next time we get LH we bet it to be LHL you see?
One of the 8 will match :)
I think there are 2 or 3 conversations goin on here, hence the confusion !
i get the concept in general and like it except that you have to wait 21 plus spins to start which is hard in a real casino.. what i don't get is after a win or loss do i wait a new 21 plus spins to bet again?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 11, 09:43 AM 2011
I think there are 2 or 3 conversations goin on here, hence the confusion !
Yes. I will not post more about what i found :)
Sorry to confuse you.
I will work a Word Doc but i think i need help with right progression :)
Hi all,
I have seen 2 final patterns matching in a row. So if I would have bet against, I would have lost twice in a row...
Could Mr Ore modify his tracker for the new version of PB please ?
Cheers
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 11, 09:45 AM 2011
I get the concept in general and like it except that you have to wait 21 plus spins to start which is hard in a real casino.. what I don't get is after a win or loss do I wait a new 21 plus spins to bet again?
You are right. Patient is the key to this but it pay of the day you play with great value of unit. John told me a couple great things about value and to be able to only play a couple sessions a day :)
PS. Thanks again John :)
Quote from: boatran8 on Apr 11, 09:48 AM 2011
Hi all,
I have seen 2 final patterns matching in a row. So if I would have bet against, I would have lost twice in a row...
Could Mr Ore modify his tracker for the new version of PB please ?
Cheers
To bet for a pattern to match has higher hit rate then bet against like we have done before .
I checked my sessions on paper and most match 1 of the 3 combinations :)
Jon
Quote from: soggett on Apr 11, 09:33 AM 2011
Thanks JL, now I get it :thumbsup:
One more thing
Say our last unhit is HHH
we bet H and win.
Now we want to continue playing and start a fresh PB - Do we start from the very next spin, or do we wait for 2 more spins for the trip to be over and then start?
or it doesn't matter at all?
We do retracking like ZigZag posted right?
I always complete the game for my records. Success promotes confidense. When you have recorded data to reference you believe more in what you're doing.
Never play a game without recording it. Keep in mind when the naysayers come a calling, with flawed tests. I have REAL RECORDS, to refute their findings. Thats why I can argue my case so passionately ive done it for real.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 11, 09:53 AM 2011
I always complete the game for my records. Success promotes confidense. When you have recorded data to reference you believe more in what you're doing.
Never play a game without recording it. Keep in mind when the naysayers come a calling, with flawed tests. I have REAL RECORDS, to refute their findings. that's why I can argue my case so passionately I've done it for real.
:thumbsup:
Real result yes.
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 11, 09:39 AM 2011
I am not talking about playing the same way as betting only last pattern :)
I will work out a Word Doc and attach with example.
John and ZigZag if we bet On LH to be LHH its a miss so we note that as a miss and next time we get LH we bet it to be LHL you see?
One of the 8 will match :)
Jon Pm me your thoughts I have an idea what youre up to.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 11, 09:33 AM 2011
The name should be changed to pattern match so there is no confusion.
Actually Warrior PATTERN BREAKER is more relevant now as were attempting to win by matching ONE THIRD of the pattern, in essence breaking it up.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 11, 09:57 AM 2011
Jon Pm me your thoughts I have an idea what youre up to.
I will write to you but i need time as my englaise realy S*** so its not easy for me to explain :D
If you see what i see its amazing and i belive this is a winner with right play.
If my brain is not upside down in my head and all is right i have won all the previus sessions the last day played the PB even with crazy Morty progression 8 stepps :)
I have paper that not trow in the garbage 73 sessions and all hit on one of the combination in the 8 patterns ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 11, 10:01 AM 2011
Actually Warrior PATTERN BREAKER is more relevant now as were attempting to win by matching ONE THIRD of the pattern, in essence breaking it up.
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works good John. same section played would get me loss on first game and recover at two next games ending with +2 while playing the original (against) way.
the FOR way got me winning ALL my bets at first attempt for a +5. If this is a mirror of what happens in the long run, its quite remarkable indeed.
btw, i played 3 EC, so it was only +/- 90 spins. That's about 1u/18 -20 spins.
Great win/spin rate for such a low BR commitment.
vundarosa
I just want to confirm whether I'm doing it right.
If my last pattern is LHL, I'll be betting on LHL.
I bet on L and lose, my next bet will be on H, right? using the second stage of progression. If I again lose on H, I need to play for the last of the pattern which is L using the thirn stage of the progression.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: londonboy85 on Apr 11, 11:45 AM 2011
I just want to confirm whether I'm doing it right.
If my last pattern is LHL, I'll be betting on LHL.
I bet on L and lose, my next bet will be on H, right? using the second stage of progression. If I again lose on H, I need to play for the last of the pattern which is L using the thirn stage of the progression.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Its right :thumbsup:
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 11, 11:17 AM 2011
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works good John. same section played would get me loss on first game and recover at two next games ending with +2 while playing the original (against) way.
the FOR way got me winning ALL my bets at first attempt for a +5. If this is a mirror of what happens in the long run, its quite remarkable indeed.
by the way, I played 3 EC, so it was only +/- 90 spins. That's about 1u/18 -20 spins.
Great win/spin rate for such a low BR commitment.
vundarosa
Thats its value vundarosa, the buy in is excellent. And the strikerate NOW improved. In relation to risk reward and strikerate. Its the best method ive yet seen.
And since Mr Zig Zag turned it upside down its and absolute roulette killer. If even 10% of roulette players took to this method and stayed with it. There would be serious damage done to the casinos profit margin.
What ive seen unfold before me today has impressed me seriously. If you imagine a method that you could invest as little as 7 units in. Run off a series of 50 wins, lose and then win 29 times again, lose win 10 times lose win 38 times. When all it requires to break even is 7 wins. These are real streaks ive got in my results after 1600 results scrutinized. strikerates still holding around 20/1. Its great.
If your playing all 3 even chance at same time, on a loss you only up your stakes on the SAME even chance that just lost by starting a new session. Played with 3 seperate banks
Just a word to the guys and girls who messaged me about Baccarat, and anyone else who is interested,
This IS AMAZING on Bac !
Obviously no Zero as we have the Tie (Push=money back)
If anyone needs more info PM me, just to keep this Thread on Track ;D
Cheers :xd: :twisted: :LoL:
Hello everyone,
Wanted to thank JohnLegend for all the great work and support of fellow players and ofcourse ZigZag for his magic touch.
After a good 4 months of research I feel really fortunate to witness this all unfolding.
Will start my research and hope I can contribute...........
Quote from: amk on Apr 11, 12:44 PM 2011
Hello everyone,
Wanted to thank JohnLegend for all the great work and support of fellow players and ofcourse ZigZag for his magic touch.
After a good 4 months of research I feel really fortunate to witness this all unfolding.
Will start my research and hope I can contribute...........
This in conjunction with MV5 you have some HW for sure :xd: :twisted: :lol:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 11, 12:48 PM 2011
This in conjunction with MV5 you have some HW for sure :xd: :twisted: :LoL:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: amk on Apr 11, 12:44 PM 2011
Hello everyone,
Wanted to thank JohnLegend for all the great work and support of fellow players and ofcourse ZigZag for his magic touch.
After a good 4 months of research I feel really fortunate to witness this all unfolding.
Will start my research and hope I can contribute...........
welcome Amk stay with us maybe I shud reveal every method in my bag the guys on this forum have a habit of tweaking good methods into judgement day sentinels for roulette. :D 8) ;D :D ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 11, 12:48 PM 2011
This in conjunction with MV5 you have some HW for sure :xd: :twisted: :LoL:
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HW?! what's that? duck gunnit, can't people talk without using acronyms these days, WTF?! ;D
vundarosa
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 11, 01:22 PM 2011
welcome Amk stay with us maybe I should reveal every method in my bag the guys on this forum have a habit of tweaking good methods into judgement day sentinels for roulette. :D 8) ;D :D ;D
:thumbsup:
Heads up guys...bad experience at Sportsbook (Celtic Casino) European "Live" Wheel. It is supposed to be live, yet the "Fun" mode and the "Real Money" mode are doing two different things...be very careful the online casino you play. (Play at a B&M if you can). Please make sure the spins are honest.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 11, 01:36 PM 2011
Heads up guys...bad experience at Sportsbook (Celtic Casino) European "Live" Wheel. It is supposed to be live, yet the "Fun" mode and the "Real Money" mode are doing two different things...be very careful the online casino you play. (Play at a B&M if you can). Please make sure the spins are honest.
I only play in Ladbrokes :)
And never trouble there :)
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 11, 12:06 PM 2011
If your playing all 3 even chance at same time, on a loss you only up your stakes on the SAME even chance that just lost by starting a new session. Played with 3 separate banks
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agree! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 11, 01:36 PM 2011
Heads up guys...bad experience at Sportsbook (Celtic Casino) European "Live" Wheel. It is supposed to be live, yet the "Fun" mode and the "Real Money" mode are doing two different things...be very careful the online casino you play. (Play at a B&M if you can). Please make sure the spins are honest.
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what do you mean proof?
vundarosa
Heavy Weapons :D
Play at PaddyPower or Dublinbet
Very fine Casino's ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 11, 01:44 PM 2011
Heavy Weapons :D
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ahahahahaha, good one!
vundarosa
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 11, 12:06 PM 2011
If your playing all 3 even chance at same time, on a loss you only up your stakes on the SAME even chance that just lost by starting a new session. Played with 3 separate banks
ZigZag! ;D ;D ;D
You must have a magic power inside you!
you make my mind go crazy and the ideas go crazy inside my head :)
I will PM you about the repeat problem on the 8 patterns when i get home. I write from my phone now :)
Jon
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 11, 01:42 PM 2011
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what do you mean proof?
vundarosa
As an American resident, I got an opportunity to play on a "Live" wheel that allows US players.
Pattern Breaker did wonders in fun mode. (I tested it several times). I also tested it on a Real Money RNG (BellaVegas) and it did well for a long time, I woke up the next day, and couldn't stop losing. Now, at Sportsbook.com (Celtic casino). I could see the dealers spin the wheel, but the action was a lot like that RNG I played at last week. Very suspicious!
I also remember another "live" wheel two years ago at Microgaming did the exact same thing. (Anyone remember All Jackpots or Wild Jack casinos?)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 11, 01:52 PM 2011
As an American resident, I got an opportunity to play on a "Live" wheel that allows US players. Pattern Breaker did wonders in fun mode. (I tested it several times). I also tested it on a Real Money RNG (BellaVegas) and it did well for a long time, I woke up the next day, and couldn't stop losing. Now, at Sportsbook.com (Celtic casino). I could see the dealers spin the wheel, but the action was a lot like that RNG I played at last week. Very suspicious!
I agree with you.
Some casinos seems very different and the outcome behave very different.
Jon
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 11, 01:52 PM 2011
As an American resident, I got an opportunity to play on a "Live" wheel that allows US players. Pattern Breaker did wonders in fun mode. (I tested it several times). I also tested it on a Real Money RNG (BellaVegas) and it did well for a long time, I woke up the next day, and couldn't stop losing. Now, at Sportsbook.com (Celtic casino). I could see the dealers spin the wheel, but the action was a lot like that RNG I played at last week. Very suspicious!
I also remember another "live" wheel two years ago at Microgaming did the exact same thing. (Anyone remember All Jackpots or Wild Jack casinos?)
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u know, you might be onto something here. I play MV5 on playtech live it loses its unbelievable. On paddy power its win after win. Something about the way those gals spin from casino to casino.....<read opportunity!>
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 11, 02:46 PM 2011
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u know, you might be onto something here. I play MV5 on playtech live it loses its unbelievable. On paddy power its win after win. Something about the way those gals spin from casino to casino.....<read opportunity!>
vundarosa
Maiby stopp watch the girls and focus on the game :love:
LOL :D
Its true about playtech its different than others.
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 11, 02:51 PM 2011
Maiby stopp watch the girls and focus on the game :love:
LoL :D
Its true about playtech its different than others.
Jon
I really shud get some sort of commission from PP lol (JOKE!) I always cite them as the best
The live Feed from Latvia is First Class ;D
Plus the ladies are Stunning !
And Relax ;D
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 11, 01:52 PM 2011
ZigZag! ;D ;D ;D
You must have a magic power inside you!
you make my mind go crazy and the ideas go crazy inside my head :)
I will PM you about the repeat problem on the 8 patterns when I get home. I write from my phone now :)
Jon
No i'm just flukey ;D
Look forward to reading about your other little idea :thumbsup:
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 11, 01:36 PM 2011
Heads up guys...bad experience at Sportsbook (Celtic Casino) European "Live" Wheel. It is supposed to be live, yet the "Fun" mode and the "Real Money" mode are doing two different things...be very careful the online casino you play. (Play at a B&M if you can). Please make sure the spins are honest.
Thats proper scary mate. I remember when i was playing at Bet365 when it was the Philipino girls. There they don't have to spin from the last number. Once a girl was spinning from zero area over 15 times in a row and she got 4 0s. The ball would either land in zero area or miss it by half a turn and land in 10 direct opposit. She kept looking at pit boss with half smile.
Yes i play bet 365 before and they allways hit green goblin when i have a big bet :sad2:
LOL. :D
Love the girls but its a reason why so beutifull ;D
;)
at the end does this metod does it good or bad...does any one play it and what is the best way...thanks
Quote from: maestro on Apr 11, 05:52 PM 2011
At the end does this metod does it good or bad...does any one play it and what is the best way...thanks
Its good and i belive all how watch this tread play it and if not they sould :)
Jon
Today I waited more than 1 hr at smart live casino auto wheel just to place 1 bet >:(
I know patience is the key to this game, but still.
"...Once a girl was spinning from zero area over 15 times in a row and she got 4 0s. The ball would either land in zero area or miss it by half a turn and land in 10 direct opposit. She kept looking at pit boss with half smile."--ZigZag
F_LAT_INO, a retired Roulette dealer of 35 years says he has never seen a number come up more than twice in a row, which means that the results could be manipulated.
Quote from: londonboy85 on Apr 11, 07:17 PM 2011
Today I waited more than 1 hr at smart live casino auto wheel just to place 1 bet >:(
I know patience is the key to this game, but still.
Thats patience indeed!!
Keep playing. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 12, 12:27 AM 2011
"...Once a girl was spinning from zero area over 15 times in a row and she got 4 0s. The ball would either land in zero area or miss it by half a turn and land in 10 direct opposit. She kept looking at pit boss with half smile."--ZigZag
F_LAT_INO, a retired Roulette dealer of 35 years says he has never seen a number come up more than twice in a row, which means that the results could be manipulated.
I am not an ex dealer but have visited B+M casinos for 20 years. I have personally witnessed numbers repeat 5 times in a row three times (and once with a dealer change mid way) and was at an adjacent table where 33 came up 6 times in a row. There is a power in synchronicity also. Zero most always comes up when I am near the table. Its now a fun expectation.
Clustering of numbers is a phenomenon of randomness. There is nothing spooky about it or about clusters of zero as it is just another number and should always be covered when playing outside table bets.
These clusters of individual numbers or clusters of groups of numbers that may have something in common, manifest as trends and can be your friends if you are smart.
Once again want to take this opportunity to thank JL for his fine and very patient work, his generosity in sharing this, and also the guys for extending and developing a yet better variation on a theme ( which can be extended yet further in many ways to suit every individual style of play should you wish).
However there is real and safe merit in simplicity. This core method is very exciting for all and given the right attitude and management, a life changing opportunity, step by step! Let's value it.
You're right XXVV, Pattern Breaker is a great strategy and JohnLegend deserves his propers for creating it and sharing it. I hope everyone who uses this strategy can benefit.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 12, 12:27 AM 2011
F_LAT_INO, a retired Roulette dealer of 35 years says he has never seen a number come up more than twice in a row, which means that the results could be manipulated.
There is no way that can be correct ???
Your saying he has never seen a Triple ?
I cant count how many ive seen :D
I guess if he (F_LAT_INO) is the one spinning the wheel it's possible
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 12, 04:19 AM 2011
I guess if he (F_LAT_INO) is the one spinning the wheel it's possible
Yeah I guess :D
Flat is an awesome guy so I guess its possible :xd:
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 11, 02:51 PM 2011
Its true about playtech its different than others.
+1 on that. It really looks like a live feed but it's not. I heard rumours about that for ages before I finally saw/learned for myself.
Can I through some more things in the mix?
Idea:
Split the 8 possible patterns into 2 halves and play for/against the last un-hit pattern in each?
Thoughts/test:
I really think the only merit of the PB is you're betting so rarely that there's less exposure to the HE* To see if that might be the case I played a session last night , betting against the 8 possible patterns every spin, moving to the next on a win. 32 games straight with a couple of losses but recovered fine. As with the original/tweaked PB, it'll have long streaks but the losses will eventually be there.
Question:
Also about re-tracking, doesn't that equate to just continuously playing for/against the furtherest- back trio?
*And I have played and tested many E/C methods: betting, waiting, bet for, bet against, patterns, templates, same/opposite, shaking them upsidedown, you name it ;)
E
Quote from: eluka on Apr 12, 05:43 AM 2011
Can I through some more things in the mix?
Idea:
Split the 8 possible patterns into 2 halves and play for/against the last un-hit pattern in each?
Thoughts/test:
I really think the only merit of the PB is you're betting so rarely that there's less exposure to the HE* To see if that might be the case I played a session last night , betting against the 8 possible patterns every spin, moving to the next on a win. 32 games straight with a couple of losses but recovered fine. As with the original/tweaked PB, it'll have long streaks but the losses will eventually be there.
Question:
Also about re-tracking, doesn't that equate to just continuously playing for/against the furtherest- back trio?
*And I have played and tested many E/C methods: betting, waiting, bet for, bet against, patterns, templates, same/opposite, shaking them upsidedown, you name it ;)
E
Can you explain more ?
Jon
Today Im goin to test R/B E/O L/H on BV NZ :xd:
Has anyone else tried it ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 12, 06:02 AM 2011
Today I'm goin to test R/B E/O L/H on BV NZ :xd:
Has anyone else tried it ?
Is it RNG on BV with no zero ?
ZigZag mention that he had play all 3 on live wheel :)
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 12, 06:05 AM 2011
Is it RNG on BV with no zero ?
ZigZag mention that he had play all 3 on live wheel :)
Jon
Yes RNG with No Zero
You can bet from 0.01p !
So if you have a small BR it could be ideal :thumbsup:
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 12, 05:50 AM 2011
Can you explain more ?
Jon
About the idea?
Split the 8 possible patterns into 2 groups for High/Low or all 3 even chances if you're so inclined, like such:
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
Now cross off the patterns as they come and when one pattern is left in each group bet for or against. This will happen at different times so play the last pattern when it becomes qualified, then wait for the second group's last pattern to qualify, play that and then start all over.
Don't know how it would go, haven't tried it. Reckon it would go well on Bac though. Money management is key.
I can't understand why Johnlegend saved this "flagship" system for last, having claimed to have played it for years and never noticed it was better to bet
for the last unhit pattern rather than against it....
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 12, 06:05 AM 2011
Is it RNG on BV with no zero ?
ZigZag mention that he had play all 3 on live wheel :)
Jon
Yes and also play matrix 4 wide and 5 wide at same time (live) :xd:
Its not easy and have missed a few bets that way. Not recommended :lol:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 12, 06:08 AM 2011
Yes RNG with No Zero
You can bet from 0.01p !
So if you have a small BR it could be ideal :thumbsup:
Ok. I never play RNG now. It ruin my life before :D LOL. Played a little with matrix on Ladbrokes RNG and survived ;D
Just played 3 sessions on BV NZ
All 3 Session Won ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 12, 06:35 AM 2011
Just played 3 sessions on BV NZ
All 3 Session Won ;D
Sounds good. :)
Keep us updated on how it goes :)
Edit:
Red and Black took 34 Spins so did Even and Odd. Low and High took 55 Spins
Time elapsed around :twisted: :lol: 5 minutes :xd:
Quote from: eluka on Apr 12, 05:43 AM 2011
Question:
Also about re-tracking, doesn't that equate to just continuously playing for/against the furtherest- back trio?
Maybe.
I do my own way of re tracking explained a few pages back but i think the issue of whether to re track or start a new session needs to be looked at more
Zig
Do you play all 3 EC's ?
Have you tried BV NZ ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 12, 07:10 AM 2011
Zig
Do you play all 3 EC's ?
Have you tried BV NZ ?
I do a mega mix using low chips played all at same time. Not tried BV yet
All 3 ECs Matrix 4 wide (5 pointers) and Matrix 5 wide (against trips DOZ ONLY WITH TRIGGER)
Per session I aim for
2 wins each on the ECS (Pattern breaker)
2 wins each doz/col (Matrix 4 wide)
4 wins on dozens only (Matrix 5 wide against trips)
I got 3 trackers runing at same time :o :twisted:
I tried BV no zero fun mode H/L, E/O, R/B using software from download section for tracking. About 400 spins, about 4 losses which I had recovered with progression 7/14/28 when the next opportunity on same bet came out and I ended +25u. I played the way that the unhit pattern will come out (software puts bets opposite and uses different progression!).
Quote from: marivo on Apr 12, 07:29 AM 2011
(software puts bets opposite and uses different progression!).
Yeah its a small problem. Just have to use it for tracking only and bet the missing pattern using your own progression unless we get an updated version :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 12, 07:36 AM 2011
Yeah its a small problem. Just have to use it for tracking only and bet the missing pattern using your own progression unless we get an updated version :thumbsup:
Yes :thumbsup:
Im running out of paper soon :D LOL.
Jon
Very Very Very GOOOOOD system John!!!!!!
I go to post here a usefull tool to play this system,
It 's a outside tracker so that we can play this system on all the tree ECs together (RB, EO, and HL)
thanks for tracker it works but better if we have tracker where we do not have to look for missing pattern as that takes time and we miss bets,tracker has to pop up information for missing pattern this will save as time..thanks
Quote from: maestro link=topic=4655. msg46939#msg46939 date=1302609950
Thanks for tracker it works but better if we have tracker where we do not have to look for missing pattern as that takes time and we miss bets,tracker has to pop up information for missing pattern this will save as time. . thanks
agreed :-\
Quote from: LouisV on Apr 12, 07:48 AM 2011
Very Very Very GOOOOOD system John!!!!!!
I go to post here a usefull tool to play this system,
It 's a outside tracker so that we can play this system on all the tree ECs together (RB, EO, and HL)
Thankyou LouisV well I put it on here but these guys are really going for gold expanding it to all EVEN CHANCES.
When you experience a loss on PB bettin 1-2-4 what do you do for recovery ?
Do you take the loss or bet 7-14-28 hopin not to have 2 back to back losses ?
The los are so rare, i would even continue prog. with 8-16-32 and then back to 1-2-4 after win... ::)
I have not had more than 1 loss in a row yet but maiby one day it can come 2 or 3 in a row but its a little chance for that to happen i belive ;D
I have bet 7.14.28 from day 1 with the PB
Jon
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 12, 12:45 PM 2011
When you experience a loss on PB bettin 1-2-4 what do you do for recovery ?
Do you take the loss or bet 7-14-28 hopin not to have 2 back to back losses ?
Thats what I do Twister, but it will be and individual decision. Depending on br and confidence. Ive seen a few back to back losses but never had one.
Hi all,
Fisrt i wanna thanks JL, ZigZag and Jon86 for this marvelous system! :thumbsup:
Now, there is my small contribution: an Excel tracker.
Very easy to use, no pen or keyboard needed! Just your mouse.
You need Microsoft Office to use it.
link:://:.normy2000.dyndns.org/images/Suivi Patern Breaker.xls (link:://:.normy2000.dyndns.org/images/Suivi%20Patern%20Breaker.xls)
Enjoy,
nOrMy2o0o
Quote from: Normy2000 link=topic=4655. msg46990#msg46990 date=1302627476
Hi all,
Fisrt I wanna thanks JL, ZigZag and Jon86 for this marvelous system! :thumbsup:
Now, there is my small contribution: an Excel tracker.
Very easy to use, no pen or keyboard needed! Just your mouse.
You need Microsoft Office to use it.
hxxp: :. normy2000. dyndns. org/images/Suivi Patern Breaker. xls
Enjoy,
nOrMy2o0o
wow
thanks this is great, good job Normy2000 :thumbsup:
Quote from: Normy2000 on Apr 12, 12:57 PM 2011
Hi all,
Fisrt I wanna thanks JL, ZigZag and Jon86 for this marvelous system! :thumbsup:
Now, there is my small contribution: an Excel tracker.
Very easy to use, no pen or keyboard needed! Just your mouse.
You need Microsoft Office to use it.
link:://:.normy2000.dyndns.org/images/Suivi Patern Breaker.xls (link:://:.normy2000.dyndns.org/images/Suivi%20Patern%20Breaker.xls)
Enjoy,
nOrMy2o0o
Nice easy tracker :thumbsup:
Quote from: Normy2000 on Apr 12, 12:57 PM 2011
Hi all,
Fisrt I wanna thanks JL, ZigZag and Jon86 for this marvelous system! :thumbsup:
Now, there is my small contribution: an Excel tracker.
Very easy to use, no pen or keyboard needed! Just your mouse.
You need Microsoft Office to use it.
link:://:.normy2000.dyndns.org/images/Suivi Patern Breaker.xls (link:://:.normy2000.dyndns.org/images/Suivi%20Patern%20Breaker.xls)
Enjoy,
nOrMy2o0o
PS. I am not the maker of this its John and ZigZag i am just a test Rabit :D
Love this system and i think you will to ;D
Cheers Jon
Ok using mr.ore's Tracker (link:://rouletteforum.cc/downloads/?sa=view;id=81 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/downloads/?sa=view;id=81)) and BetVoyager No Zero table its been very enlightening !!!
I played 200 Spins, which took around 15 minutes
I had 9 bets in that time. 8 Won 1 Lost
The one that Lost was recovered on the 2nd leg of the recovery progression (7-14-28) (hit on first spin)
I did experience 7 on the bounce losses if you had been playing 1-2-4-8-16-32-64
So early conclusion for this RNG is to play recovery 7-14-28 (or 8-16-32 if you want that 1 point !)
Will test this RNG some more :xd: :twisted: :LoL:
Thanks for the tracker. Looks great :thumbsup:
Not had chance to use it yet too busy watching Man United kick Chelsea's A%$
on the tracker do we still miss 3 numbers if it includes a zero
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 12, 04:46 PM 2011
Thanks for the tracker. Looks great :thumbsup:
Not had chance to use it yet too busy watching Man United kick Chelsea's A%$
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Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!! :P
vundarosa
This looks like a profitable way to play.
What I was wondering, this is suppose to have a 20/1 strike rate does that mean 20 wins on the first level with out going into recovery mode?
My second question is, I need to have 7 units for the first level and 49 units for the recovery.
So if I use $10 units I need $560 BR. . Would I win more using $75 units for a total BR of $525.
and not use a recovery mode.
20 wins at $10 units = $200
19 wins at $75 units = $1425 minus 1 loss at 7 units $525. leaves me with $900.
I think for the time involved (3 betting opportunities per hour*one win/hour*) consider the $75 unit option and play once/day. (That is if you're not using the recovery mode.)
it means bet big and hold onto your ass if-----but i like it
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 13, 12:53 AM 2011
It means bet big and hold onto your arse if-----but I like itU
Dont bet too big, I would recommend risking no more than 10% of you total BANK on any one game. Full report later for 2600 games played, both original way and tweaked method...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 05:46 AM 2011
Full report later for 2600 games played, both original way and tweaked method...
I look forward to that mate :xd: :twisted: :lol:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 05:46 AM 2011
don't bet too big, I would recommend risking no more than 10% of you total BANK on any one game. Full report later for 2600 games played, both original way and tweaked method...
:thumbsup:
Cant wait ;D
hi all
i am a reagular reader of JLs posts and I am very very happy to see that every body here is winning and MV5 and PB is working good so far.
And off course I want to say thanks to jon 86 and jon legond who always reply when i pm them thank you very much
Keep winning guys :thumbsup:
BetVoyager No Zero (BV NZ)
200 Spins (duration 30 minutes)
Playing all 3 EC's
Bets 13
O/E 5
R/B 3
H/L 5
Won 13
Profit +17 Units
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 13, 09:19 AM 2011
BetVoyager No Zero (BV NZ)
200 Spins (duration 30 minutes)
Playing all 3 EC's
Bets 13
O/E 5
R/B 3
H/L 5
Won 13
Profit +17 Units
Wow PB taking an RNG APART. Twister if this holds up another week ill have to join you at BV.
I get mixed results here with betting for a match of pattern and betting against like we did in the first place ???
Its seems like they are more hitting the match than the opposit.
ZigZag and John what is your stats.
Jon
First things first.......Awesome system John "The Legend" and thanks also to ZigZag ;D ;D
Those of you who are using Normy2000's tracker "which I must say is very clever"
If one of the even chances fails do you reset the X's in that set of boxes looking for another chance to bet with the 2nd progression, and continue on the other two until a win on each even chance, before resetting the whole game
Example.....High/Low loses on 1st progression (Reset those boxes) continue tracking Odd/Even and Red/Black looking for a win on those two whilst starting to track the High/Low again looking for a 2nd chance to bet using 7,14,28
Hope that makes sense
Keep up the good work everyone :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Just a note for those usin mr. ore's Tracker,
Once you get a win or a lose it resets that EC and starts tracking from that new point, it continues to track the others until a bet arrives
Since ive been usin it its sped up the game so much !
Good to know that twister. i always reset it before as wasnt sure where it was tracking from.
Jon86 I'm getting much more wins betting for the last pattern :-\
Have you got 2 loss in a row yet?
Quote from: Gordonline on Apr 13, 10:17 AM 2011
Normy2000's tracker "which I must say is very clever"
Thanks :-[ 8)
For myself, i reset after all 3 bets are done!
nOrMy2o0o
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 13, 11:04 AM 2011
Good to know that twister. I always reset it before as wasn't sure where it was tracking from.
Jon86 I'm getting much more wins betting for the last pattern :-\
Have you got 2 loss in a row yet?
Yep no need to reset my friend ! All is good ;D
Though I do limit myself to 200 spins per session. What about you ?
Yes I know, he said. I have no idea why ???
Nope no 2 losses yet
Most wins are on the first bet anyway almost the rest on the second and a few on the third !
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 09:26 AM 2011
Wow PB taking an RNG APART. Twister if this holds up another week ill have to join you at BV.
I will post each of my session updates :xd: :thumbsup: :twisted:
Hi Twister
Out of interest are you running 3 seperate banks for each even chance ?????
Gordon :thumbsup:
Nice one Twister :thumbsup:
Quote from: Gordonline on Apr 13, 11:21 AM 2011
Hi Twister
Out of interest are you running 3 separate banks for each even chance ?????
Gordon :thumbsup:
Yes mate :xd: :twisted:
If you guys are using a tracker to play this, then why can't it be programmed into a bot?
I understand what JL was saying about the human element, but surely by using a tracker you are removing any human element.
The bot will do exactly what the tracker is doing, just much faster.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 13, 11:04 AM 2011
Good to know that twister. I always reset it before as wasn't sure where it was tracking from.
Jon86 I'm getting much more wins betting for the last pattern :-\
Have you got 2 loss in a row yet?
Hi.
No not 2 loss yet :) but many loss and have to use 7.14.28 to recover .
And when i check my sessions its more loss on bet for match then against the last days ???
Jon
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 13, 11:42 AM 2011
If you guys are using a tracker to play this, then why can't it be programmed into a bot?
I understand what JL was saying about the human element, but surely by using a tracker you are removing any human element.
The bot will do exactly what the tracker is doing, just much faster.
Yes that would be good for BetVoyager No Zero !
Though Auto spin is Quick !
BetVoyager No Zero (BV NZ)
179 Spins (duration 25 minutes)
Playing all 3 EC's
Bets 12
O/E 4
R/B 4
H/L 4
Won 12
Lost 1
Profit +9 Units
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 13, 11:57 AM 2011
BetVoyager No Zero (BV NZ)
179 Spins (duration 25 minutes)
Playing all 3 EC's
Bets 12
O/E 4
R/B 4
H/L 4
Won 12
Lost 1
Profit +9 Units
Nice :thumbsup:
Hi. All sorry for not being active for so long.
Due to big interest in this system i decided to do something as well but i got few questions first.
We have here 2 systems.
Pattern Breaker (original)
Pattern Filler (reversed)
Those 2 systems perform differently depending on numbers.
So now we have problem. Which system to choose.
Well the best thing is to be able to run 2 systems at once but then we have a another problem.
How to decide which system to use at specific moment?
According to what?
1. Balance?
(not so great because if one system have 200 second one have 500 then we would use the one with 500 BUT if system with 500 will start to lose systems would change only when the first one will be more than second one.... simply speaking... we would be on loosing streak.
second balance is irrelevant if we are using progression)
2. Z-Score?
(well this seems to be most obvious. but this work well only after certain amount of spins. (at least 150). so before around 150 spins result may be funny).
3.Trend of Z-Score?
(again.... it will work after certain amount of spins. AND how should be trend calculated? of how many spins back? 21?36?100?)
Please let me know if you have any other ideas.
Oh and one more thing directed to system designer.
I am thinking about rising bet count of this system, so i was thinking to implement as well
PB and PF TURBO. Rough idea is to do not track all patterns from beginning after win BUT calculate patterns from previous spins. BUT. How many spins back? Or maybe not spins but patterns? Or maybe make 7-8 trackers and start them every 3 spins? Something like that. So we don't have to wait 21-48 spins between bets.
Well Legend think about it and let me know.
Here is screenshoot of how future tracker will look like.
I love the look of that Ophis :thumbsup: :xd: :twisted:
That looks BRILLIANT :o :xd: :thumbsup:
Hightech ;D
Love it ;D
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 13, 11:44 AM 2011
Hi.
No not 2 loss yet :) but many loss and have to use 7.14.28 to recover .
And when I check my sessions its more loss on bet for match then against the last days ???
Jon
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that has been my feeling. I win more playing the ORIGINAL way than the "revised" way now
vundarosa
oh my oh my is this pentagon project.. ;D looks perfect ophis you must be genius..thanks
I think we need to sort this out with the 2 differents way to play.
Cheers
Jon
welcome back ophis you have been sadly missed
Ophis
you have to be the king of trackers
cannot wait for full version
well done, and thanks from all
regards
Alf
Well I play FOR the Pattern :xd:
I know I would of lost 4 banks bettin against
Sometimes when Im betting FOR the Pattern ive seen all 3 legs of the Pattern HIT !
I am strongly in favor of betting FOR the Pattern :twisted:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 13, 02:06 PM 2011
Well I play FOR the Pattern :xd:
I know I would of lost 4 banks bettin against
Sometimes when I'm betting FOR the Pattern I've seen all 3 legs of the Pattern HIT !
I am strongly in favor of betting FOR the Pattern :twisted:
Its got the edge for certain TWISTER as my report will show. Going out to eat when I get back will post it... ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 02:11 PM 2011
Its got the edge for certain TWISTER as my report will show. Going out to eat when I get back will post it... ;D
Awesome :thumbsup:
If both playing for and playing against both win (although to different degrees) why not just play both of them at the same time?
BetVoyager No Zero (BV NZ)
203 Spins (duration 35 minutes)
Playing all 3 EC's
Bets 14
O/E 5
R/B 4
H/L 5
Won 13
Lost 1
Profit +13 Units
Welcome back Ophis
Love the look of the tracker............."Mission Control" here we go !!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 13, 01:23 PM 2011
I love the look of that Ophis :thumbsup: :xd: :twisted:
I think you're all going to love my report. before I post my findings I need to state something about my nature. I am never precious about my methods. My objective is to inform all of you about the BEST WAY to profit from this game. Now the NUMBER 4 has become significant over the last few weeks. With MV5 turning it in a grail like method.
And I have to inform ALL OF YOU, the number 4 has just turned PATTERN BREAKER into a method of extroadinary power. I will have to start another thread called PATTERN *4* to do it justice. I am going to give you 3 statistics and let you ask the questions.
PATTERN BREAKER AGAINST LAST PATTERN.
TOTAL GAMES 2600
TOTAL WINS 2,358
TOTAL LOSSES 242
STRIKERATE APPROX 10/1
PATTERN BREAKER FOR LAST PATTERN
TOTAL GAMES 2600
TOTAL WINS 2402
TOTAL LOSSES 198
STRIKERATE APPROX 13/1
So as you can see over that batch of results for the pattern proved superior. But now what's this PATTERN 4 about?
For some time now, I've noticed that random tends to produce a lot of back to back patterns or EVERYOTHER.
What I hardly ever see, especially with the first pattern of our 8 uniques being formed Is it being form again as the fourth pattern (spins 10-12) How does this compare to betting for or against the LAST PATTERN?
BETTING AGAINST PATTERN 1 BECOMING N0.4
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 2600
TOTAL GAMES WON 2,551
TOTAL GAMES LOST 49
STRIKERATE APPROX 53/1
Which one of these results do you like best people? THE NUMBER *4* Is powerful. Talk to me, I couldnt keep this to myself. Now I'm not sure if this would hold up playing 12 spin games. But in the context of the PATTERN BREAKER. PATTERN *4* is blowing it out of the water.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 04:17 PM 2011
I think you're all going to love my report. before I post my findings I need to state something about my nature. I am never precious about my methods. My objective is to inform all of you about the BEST WAY to profit from this game. Now the NUMBER 4 has become significant over the last few weeks. With MV5 turning it in a grail like method.
And I have to inform ALL OF YOU, the number 4 has just turned PATTERN BREAKER into a method of extroadinary power. I will have to start another thread called PATTERN *4* to do it justice. I am going to give you 3 statistics and let you ask the questions.
PATTERN BREAKER AGAINST LAST PATTERN.
TOTAL GAMES 2600
TOTAL WINS 2,358
TOTAL LOSSES 242
STRIKERATE APPROX 10/1
PATTERN BREAKER FOR LAST PATTERN
TOTAL GAMES 2600
TOTAL WINS 2402
TOTAL LOSSES 198
STRIKERATE APPROX 13/1
So as you can see over that batch of results for the pattern proved superior. But now what's this PATTERN 4 about?
For some time now, I've noticed that random tends to produce a lot of back to back patterns or EVERYOTHER.
What I hardly ever see, especiallly with the first pattern of our 8 uniques being formed Is it being form again as the fourth patter (spins 10-12) How does this compare to betting for or against the LAST PATTERN?
BETTING AGAINST PATTERN 1 BECOMING N0.4
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 2600
TOTAL GAMES WON 2,551
TOTAL GAMES LOST 49
STRIKERATE APPROX 53/1
Which one of these results do you like best people? THE NUMBER *4* Is powerful. Talk to me, I couldnt keep this to myself. Now I'm not sure if this would hold up playing 12 spin games. But in the context of the PATTERN BREAKER. PATTERN *4* is blowing it out of the water.
Amazing John ;D
Explain more please ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
53.1 is POWERFULL
Jon
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 04:17 PM 2011
I think you're all going to love my report. before I post my findings I need to state something about my nature. I am never precious about my methods. My objective is to inform all of you about the BEST WAY to profit from this game. Now the NUMBER 4 has become significant over the last few weeks. With MV5 turning it in a grail like method.
And I have to inform ALL OF YOU, the number 4 has just turned PATTERN BREAKER into a method of extroadinary power. I will have to start another thread called PATTERN *4* to do it justice. I am going to give you 3 statistics and let you ask the questions.
PATTERN BREAKER AGAINST LAST PATTERN.
TOTAL GAMES 2600
TOTAL WINS 2,358
TOTAL LOSSES 242
STRIKERATE APPROX 10/1
PATTERN BREAKER FOR LAST PATTERN
TOTAL GAMES 2600
TOTAL WINS 2402
TOTAL LOSSES 198
STRIKERATE APPROX 13/1
So as you can see over that batch of results for the pattern proved superior. But now what's this PATTERN 4 about?
For some time now, I've noticed that random tends to produce a lot of back to back patterns or EVERYOTHER.
What I hardly ever see, especiallly with the first pattern of our 8 uniques being formed Is it being form again as the fourth patter (spins 10-12) How does this compare to betting for or against the LAST PATTERN?
BETTING AGAINST PATTERN 1 BECOMING N0.4
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 2600
TOTAL GAMES WON 2,551
TOTAL GAMES LOST 49
STRIKERATE APPROX 53/1
Which one of these results do you like best people? THE NUMBER *4* Is powerful. Talk to me, I couldnt keep this to myself. Now I'm not sure if this would hold up playing 12 spin games. But in the context of the PATTERN BREAKER. PATTERN *4* is blowing it out of the water.
Just to be clear JL,
Are you saying Pattern 1 (say LLL) wont be Pattern 4 ? So for Pattern 4, in this example, we would bet HHH
Is that right ?
BETTING AGAINST PATTERN 1 BECOMING N0.4
What this mean John?
Cheers and thanks for all your hard and amazing work :thumbsup:
Ps John. You destroy my nightsleep with all the ideas and amazing findings. LOL
Jon
BetVoyager No Zero (BV NZ)
90 Spins (duration 20 minutes)
Playing all 3 EC's
Bets 6
O/E 2
R/B 2
H/L 2
Won 6
Profit +11 Units
Total Profit for the Day +50 Units
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 13, 04:23 PM 2011
Amazing John ;D
Explain more please ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
53.1 is POWERFULL
Jon
Yes Jon, its strikerate blows PATTERN BREAKER away. And I always have to run with the highest strikerate. I think it will need to be played at least 30 spins apart. I will be amazed if it works in short cycles. I will post it up tomorrow.
Glad you're winning Twister :thumbsup: The RNG I played on (BellaVegas) let me win 28, then devored my bankroll. Kudos!
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 13, 04:36 PM 2011
Glad you're winning Twister :thumbsup: The RNG I played on (BellaVegas) let me win 28, then devored my bankroll. Kudos!
Thanx Proof :thumbsup:
Early days...... :o
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 04:33 PM 2011
Yes Jon, its strikerate blows PATTERN BREAKER away. And I always have to run with the highest strikerate. I think it will need to be played at least 30 spins apart. I will be amazed if it works in short cycles. I will post it up tomorrow.
Yes its amazing.
I will be here waiting to see it ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
Jon
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 13, 04:30 PM 2011
BetVoyager No Zero (BV NZ)
90 Spins (duration 20 minutes)
Playing all 3 EC's
Bets 6
O/E 2
R/B 2
H/L 2
Won 6
Profit +11 Units
Total Profit for the Day +50 Units
You are raping the RNG today Twister :D
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 13, 04:25 PM 2011
BETTING AGAINST PATTERN 1 BECOMING N0.4
What this mean John?
Cheers and thanks for all your hard and amazing work :thumbsup:
Ps John. You destroy my nightsleep with all the ideas and amazing findings. LoL
Jon
Heres an example Jon
HLH-1-THE FIRST PATTERN
LHH-2
HHH-3
XXX-We bet against pattern one forming as the fourth pattern. My records indicate a strikerate far superior to for or against the last pattern. 53/1 HOLY SMOKES :o :o
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 04:41 PM 2011
Heres an example Jon
HLH-1-THE FIRST PATTERN
LHH-2
HHH-3
XXX-We bet againts pattern one forming as the fourth pattern. My records indicate a strikerate far superior to for or against the last pattern. 53/1 HOLY SMOKES :o :o
I love the sound of that ;D
Its beutifull ;D
if it has rate 53 to 1 its crazy ;D
Jon
Lets say the first pattern hit again on forth one thing is 100 prosent it will not happen in a row ;D
So if the 1st Pattern is HHH
at the end of the 3rd Pattern
We bet Pattern 4 to be LLL
Is that correct ?
How long do we leave before "Pattern 1" is back, after they all form ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 13, 04:24 PM 2011
Just to be clear JL,
Are you saying Pattern 1 (say LLL) wont be Pattern 4 ? So for Pattern 4, in this example, we would bet HHH
Is that right ?
Yes Twister its something ive had on my mind for awhile. While checking for and against the last pattern I also counted the strikerate for PATTERN 1 NOT BECOMING PATTERN 4. It leaves PATTERN BREAKER FOR DEAD. What can I say im astounded.
What made you check the 4th Pattern as opposed to any of the others mate ?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 04:51 PM 2011
Yes Twister its something I've had on my mind for awhile. While checking for and against the last pattern I also counted the strikerate for PATTERN 1 NOT BECOMING PATTERN 4. It leaves PATTERN BREAKER FOR DEAD. What can I say I'm astounded.
If this has 53 to 1 rate we can just forget the PB right now and get on with this only Twister can finish raping the RNG first :D LOL
John "The Legend"
Not only do you come up with an amazing system.........you then polish it a little bit more....Awesome
Will be good when Ophis releases his tracker so we can import numbers straight to it and produce the results that cements this as a true winner ;D ;D ;D
Gordon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 13, 04:55 PM 2011
If this has 53 to 1 rate we can just forget the PB right now and get on with this only Twister can finish raping the RNG first :D LoL
I think the Oxford English Dictionary would change the meaning of Rape if this holds at those odds of 53/1 :o :o :o
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 13, 04:56 PM 2011
I think the Oxford English Dictionary would change the meaning of Rape if this holds at those odds of 53/1 :o :o :o
;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 13, 04:55 PM 2011
What made you check the 4th Pattern as opposed to any of the others mate ?
The results Twister you see repeats of the patterns alot, you see a pattern everyother. BUT the first pattern becoming the FOURTH. NADA, it doesnt happen often. Its definately rarer than the last pattern for or against. And winning streaks are RIDICULOUS.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 05:01 PM 2011
The results Twister you see repeats of the patterns a lot, you see a pattern everyother. BUT the first pattern becoming the FOURTH. NADA, it doesn't happen often. Its definately rarer than the last pattern for or against. And winning streaks are RIDICULOUS.
Thats Awesome mate :thumbsup:
Lets say you have a Session
Pattern 1 is HHH
You bet Pattern 4 to be LLL
How long do you wait before you restart the cycle ?
Do all Patterns have to show before the start of a new cycle ?
Opinions !?!?
Amazing job Johnlegend. Pattern 4 will be baccarat killer.
Baccarat will no longer be offered in any casino :)
Hi John
Am I assuming correct that your results are only based on betting the High/Low patterns, as if it works simultaneously on all 3 that would be incredible ;D
Gordon
I just tested some live spins it I saw 4 losses in the 21 bet I placed ended minus one even had 2 loses in a row
Quote from: Post on Apr 13, 05:20 PM 2011
I just tested some live spins it I saw 4 losses in the 21 bet I placed ended minus one even had 2 loses in a row
What ?
Jon
Betting the first not becoming4th pattern ;)
HLH
HLL
HLL
HLH loss
HLL loss
HLL loss
i checked it were 3 in a row
in my first 50 spins
So you tested first not to become fourth and lost why you went for fith and sixt patern..i think if fourth lose then retrack and new bet...if strike rate is that good nothing to worry..just a thought :thumbsup:
:-X
Quote from: kenio on Apr 13, 05:15 PM 2011
Amazing job Johnlegend. Pattern 4 will be baccarat killer.
Baccarat will no longer be offered in any casino :)
Thanks, dont know Baccarat YET. But itll do a fair bit of damage to roulette too.
how do you mean retrack i thought you should bet every 1 pattern not to become the fourth ???
Quote from: Post on Apr 13, 05:23 PM 2011
Betting the first not becoming4th pattern ;)
HLH
HLL
HLL
HLH loss
HLL loss
HLL loss
i checked it were 3 in a row
in my first 50 spins
Post you are doing what I KNEW ,people will do. It cant be continuos, you play a game of PB and you get ONE SHOT the VERY FIRST PATTERN FORMED. You will bet it doesnt form as the fourth. GAME OVER. But you have to start a fresh game 30, 40 spins later not keep, betting one after the other ALL 2600 of my recorded games are sessions played apart.
Do you understand this?
yes i understand have you taken a look at the high low matrix as well ?
Quote from: Post on Apr 13, 05:57 PM 2011
Yes I understand have you taken a look at the high low matrix as well ?
No will do soon.
@johnlegend
Could you please answer to my post?
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/*pattern-breaker*/msg47177/#msg47177 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/*pattern-breaker*/msg47177/#msg47177)
mostly the part:
Quote from: ophis on Apr 13, 01:15 PM 2011
Oh and one more thing directed to system designer.
I am thinking about rising bet count of this system, so I was thinking to implement as well
PB and PF TURBO. Rough idea is to do not track all patterns from beginning after win BUT calculate patterns from previous spins. BUT. How many spins back? Or maybe not spins but patterns? Or maybe make 7-8 trackers and start them every 3 spins? Something like that. So we don't have to wait 21-48 spins between bets.
Well Johnlegend think about it and let me know.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 05:51 PM 2011
Post you are doing what I KNEW ,people will do. It can't be continuos, you play a game of PB and you get ONE SHOT the VERY FIRST PATTERN FORMED. You will bet it doesn't form as the fourth. GAME OVER. But you have to start a fresh game 30, 40 spins later not keep, betting one after the other ALL 2600 of my recorded games are sessions played apart.
Do you understand this?
John. Will you post full rules for new bet tomorow:)
I know how it is to be "new reader" of a topic its all just a mess when the tread go so many pages ;D
Remember all ho read this we ONLY bet one pattern and stopp if win or lose. Start all over. We dont bet on next pattern if lose.
Cheers
Jon
Brilliant John. I absolutely LOVE this. The strikerate looks amazing :o
All bets are off on the For and Against. Now we have PP 4 :xd:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 04:41 PM 2011
Heres an example Jon
HLH-1-THE FIRST PATTERN
LHH-2
HHH-3
XXX-We bet against pattern one forming as the fourth pattern. My records indicate a strikerate far superior to for or against the last pattern. 53/1 HOLY SMOKES :o :o
Does it matter if previous patterns (1.,2.,3.) are unique or repeaters? Do we bet against 1. pattern after 3.
unique pattern comes out?
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 13, 06:51 PM 2011
Brilliant John. I absolutely LOVE this. The strikerate looks amazing :o
All bets are off on the For and Against. Now we have PP 4 :xd:
:thumbsup:
What a hoot :xd:
JL,
Is it just H/L or does R/B O/E work too ?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 04:41 PM 2011
Heres an example Jon
HLH-1-THE FIRST PATTERN
LHH-2
HHH-3
XXX-We bet against pattern one forming as the fourth pattern. My records indicate a strikerate far superior to for or against the last pattern. 53/1 HOLY SMOKES :o :o
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John, once you're at it, could you also check other possible combinations, like 1 gainst 4 (PB4) and maybe 2 against 5, 3 against 6 and so on....
vundarosa
Ok guys this was kinda of a walk in the park
5 sections in 1 hour H/L only
+5 points
*3 wins 1st step
*1 win 2nd step
*1 win 3rd step
now the trick was, at winner casino, they have 4 live tables. So i got to one table, took the last 8 numbers on the marquee (or start after the last zero if it appeared less than 8 spins ago), get my patterns and bet against the 4th.
Then move to next table, do the same and within 1 hr i was done and at +5u.
voila!
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 14, 05:00 AM 2011
Ok guys this was kinda of a walk in the park
5 sections in 1 hour H/L only
+5 points
*3 wins 1st step
*1 win 2nd step
*1 win 3rd step
now the trick was, at winner casino, they have 4 live tables. So I got to one table, took the last 8 numbers on the marquee (or start after the last zero if it appeared less than 8 spins ago), get my patterns and bet against the 4th.
Then move to next table, do the same and within 1 hr I was done and at +5u.
voila!
vundarosa
:thumbsup:
I dont know how to break it to you guys ???
You will not believe the results ive had this morning !!!
Im +20 Units in 30 minutes !!!
:xd: :twisted: :xd: :twisted:
Im playin at BetVoyager NZ
I spin 9 spins, and then bet on spins 10 11 and 12
Im bettin on all 3 EC's
Im usin a 1 3 7 Progression
The last game I played I was betting for a high odd red
Next spin, number 25 !
BAM :xd: :twisted: :lol: !!!
Here are my game results
Last 29 game results AGAINST PATTERN 3 BECOMING N0.6
Using the 3 most recent spin results for the first pattern
29 wins
Last 30 game results AGAINST PATTERN 1 BECOMING N0.4
Using the 3 most recent spin results for the first pattern
6 losses in 30 games
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 05:15 AM 2011
I don't know how to break it to you guys ???
You will not believe the results I've had this morning !!!
I'm +20 Units in 30 minutes !!!
:xd: :twisted: :xd: :twisted:
I'm playin at BetVoyager NZ
I spin 9 spins, and then bet on spins 10 11 and 12
I'm bettin on all 3 EC's
I'm using a 1 3 7 Progression
The last game I played I was betting for a high odd red
Next spin, number 25 !
BAM :xd: :twisted: :LoL: !!!
What progression do you use if lose and need to recover for 1.3.7 ?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 06:16 AM 2011
What progression do you use if lose and need to recover for 1.3.7 ?
Jon
I dont. I take the loss :lol:
What about if we get a pattern repeat?
Does that count as a pattern or do we need 3 different pattern and bet the 4 pattern not to be the same as the first?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 06:38 AM 2011
What about if we get a pattern repeat?
Does that count as a pattern or do we need 3 different pattern and bet the 4 pattern not to be the same as the first?
Jon
JL said to bet Pattern 4 wont be the same as Pattern 1
So even if you get 3 Patterns the same, it should make no difference
Only time and testin will see if this holds up :lol:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 06:43 AM 2011
JL said to bet Pattern 4 wont be the same as Pattern 1
So even if you get 3 Patterns the same, it should make no difference
Only time and testin will see if this holds up :LoL:
Yes. What about if zero come in one pattern?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 06:45 AM 2011
Yes. What about if zero come in one pattern?
Jon
I guess its a pattern as the others so it counts as a pattern. ;D
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 06:38 AM 2011
What about if we get a pattern repeat?
Does that count as a pattern or do we need 3 different pattern and bet the 4 pattern not to be the same as the first?
Jon
Maybe John can comfirm this as if you get
HHH
HHH
HHH then your just betting against more than 9 high in a row :-\
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 06:45 AM 2011
Yes. What about if zero come in one pattern?
Jon
I play on a No Zero Table :xd: :twisted:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 07:04 AM 2011
I play on a No Zero Table :xd: :twisted:
LOL :D
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 06:59 AM 2011
Maybe John can comfirm this as if you get
HHH
HHH
HHH then your just betting against more than 9 high in a row :-\
I don't see why it would make any difference ?
I guess its the same if repeat or zero pattern as long as we bet against first after third pattern.
It is the same so like Twister say :)
Jon
ok :smile:
We need new thread for this :thumbsup:
Twister great results your having on BV. I've not had chance to play this yet so see how it compares on slingshot :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 07:15 AM 2011
Ok :smile:
We need new thread for this :thumbsup:
Twister great results your having on BV. I've not had chance to play this yet so see how it compares on slingshot :thumbsup:
BV is awesome for Speed !
With such good strike rates being reported we shouldnt have to do such large chips for recovery.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 07:21 AM 2011
With such good strike rates being reported we shouldnt have to do such large chips for recovery.
I dont do recovery :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 07:16 AM 2011
BV is awesome for Speed !
Except that it is not roulette.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Apr 14, 07:22 AM 2011
Except that it is not roulette.
Thats correct Flat :thumbsup:
Where is John ?
I'm now 50 Units up playing P4 not to be the same as P1 :xd: :xd: :xd: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
i
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 07:41 AM 2011
I'm now 50 Units up playing P4 not to be the same as P1 :xd: :xd: :xd: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I take it you like P4 Twister? ;D
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 07:33 AM 2011
Where is John ?
Im here Jon starting new thread for P4 later although I can see Twisters got off to a flying start :o :o
Well i'm the unlucky one. Paddy power Slingshot
This is my very first attempt at betting continuous
HHL
HLL
HHL
HHH + 1
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LLL
LHH
H0H
L0L - 6
-----
0HL
-----
LL0
-----
HLL
LHL
LLL
LLL - 5
-----
0LH
-----
LLH
LHH
HHH
HLL - 4
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LLL
HLL
LHH
LLL - 11 :'(
5 Zeros in 24 spins
Without being hit with the zero early on could have just been the 1 loss
You NEED to cover that zero on step 2 and 3 or just step 3 otherwise it will hard to recover
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 10:18 AM 2011
Well i'm the unlucky one. Paddy power Slingshot
This is my very first attempt at betting continuous
HHL
HLL
HHL
HHH + 1
-----
LLL
LHH
H0H
L0L - 6
-----
0HL
-----
LL0
-----
HLL
LHL
LLL
LLL - 5
-----
0LH
-----
LLH
LHH
HHH
HLL - 4
-----
LLL
HLL
LHH
LLL - 11 :'(
5 Zeros in 24 spins
Without being hit with the zero early on could have just been the 1 loss
You NEED to cover that zero on step 2 and 3 or just step 3 otherwise it will hard to recover
Zig dont bet continuos it wont hold up you bet for one win GAME OVER let at least twenty spins go by go after it again the power is that FIRST PATTERN. Il get the rules on here soon. Later on in a pattern breaker game the will be a match at that gap at some point it just doesnt happen often on the first one. PATIENCE is always the thing. :'(
Yes totaly agree John. Just thought i would try it. Betting continuos has never worked for me in the past.
I tell you one thing about slingshot i have noticed but have never tried to bet on
0 10 20 30
See any of these 4 hit close together within 9 or 10 spins of each other
1 of them usualy hits again within the next 9 - 10 spins ;)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 14, 10:07 AM 2011
II take it you like P4 Twister? ;D
JL, its trully Amazin !
Im now +266 Units on P4 :o :o :o
Its just awesome on BV NZ :lol:
I play 1-3-7 with no recovery on a loss :wink: :wink: :wink:
mr.zigzag when i track matrix or new pattern breaker never track zero you can bet zero but never track it just mess whole flaw of the game :thumbsup:
Cheers Maestro
My tracking was litterd with zeros. I think it future if there is a zero in any of the 3 patterns i will just start a re track
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 10:18 AM 2011
Well i'm the unlucky one. Paddy power Slingshot
This is my very first attempt at betting continuous
HHL
HLL
HHL
HHH + 1
-----
LLL
LHH
H0H
L0L - 6
-----
0HL
-----
LL0
-----
HLL
LHL
LLL
LLL - 5
-----
0LH
-----
LLH
LHH
HHH
HLL - 4
-----
LLL
HLL
LHH
LLL - 11 :'(
5 Zeros in 24 spins
Without being hit with the zero early on could have just been the 1 loss
You NEED to cover that zero on step 2 and 3 or just step 3 otherwise it will hard to recover
ZIG ZAG you have a +1 in the first 9 spins thats continuos betting correct, now the other way you bet after 4 spins for the first pattern not to repeat you make +1 explain this what is the difference ,you have a +1 result i hope you get what im saying.
Hi Warrior i think i get you
I just bet for the 1 unit only then i started new pattern 1 again under it on the LLL on the 5th line The continuous part is there was no gaps in the tracking.
***Just had a few PM's with regard to P4 and my results***
OK I know im playin it different to how JL said, I will tell you how
Im playin on Betvoyager No Zero
I spin 9 spins in less than 30 seconds
I now have my bets for the next 3 spins
I AM bettin ALL 3 EC's
Sometimes I get a hit for all 3 on the first spin sometimes it takes all 3 spins
I bet 1-3-7 (no recovery)
After the 12th spin I close it down and start over (Rinse and Repeat)
At this moment in time its workin like a Peach :twisted: :lol:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 10:35 AM 2011
JL, its truly Amazin !
I'm now +266 Units on P4 :o :o :o
Its just awesome on BV NZ :LoL:
I play 1-3-7 with no recovery on a loss :wink: :wink: :wink:
Twister I CANT BELIEVE you are doing that to an RNG. Is P4 better than MV5 on there. Wow!
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 14, 11:12 AM 2011
Twister I can't BELIEVE you are doing that to an RNG. Is P4 better than MV5 on there. Wow!
I only have limited data. IE today lol but so far Im now just playin P4, nothin else :xd: :twisted: :lol:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 11:00 AM 2011
***Just had a few PM's with regard to P4 and my results***
I AM bettin ALL 3 EC's
Sometimes I get a hit for all 3 on the first spin sometimes it takes all 3 spins
I bet 1-3-7 (no recovery)
After the 12th spin I close it down and start over (Rinse and Repeat)
At this moment in time its working like a Peach :twisted: :LoL:
OK just did that on slingshot
1 attack only then rinse and repeat
LLL OEE RRR
LLH OEE RBR
LHH OOO BRB
LH E B WIN WIN WIN :xd:
I cover the zeros on 2 and 3 step
15 sessions and +5 units i used 2.4.8 for recover after a loss. PP slingshot.
Jon
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 11:18 AM 2011
OK just did that on slingshot
1 attack only then rinse and repeat
LLL OEE RRR
LLH OEE RBR
LHH OOO BRB
LH E B WIN WIN WIN :xd:
I cover the zeros on 2 and 3 step
I dont understand how you and Twister play?
Only bet 1 bet pr even chance?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 11:21 AM 2011
I don't understand how you and Twister play?
Only bet 1 bet pr even chance?
Jon
???
I bet all 3 EC's per spin until a win
For Example
1st Spin I unit on L E B
Win on B
2nd Spin 3 Units on L E
Win on E
3rd Spin 7 Units on L
Win on L
Rinse and Repeat :xd:
I only bet the 3 steps on each even chance and stop on any win
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 11:27 AM 2011
I bet all 3 EC's per spin until a win
For Example
1st Spin I unit on L E B
Win on B
2nd Spin 3 Units on L E
Win on E
3rd Spin 7 Units on L
Win on L
Rinse and Repeat :xd:
Yup :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 11:00 AM 2011
***Just had a few PM's with regard to P4 and my results***
OK I know I'm playin it different to how JL said, I will tell you how
I'm playin on Betvoyager No Zero
I spin 9 spins in less than 30 seconds
I now have my bets for the next 3 spins
I AM bettin ALL 3 EC's
Sometimes I get a hit for all 3 on the first spin sometimes it takes all 3 spins
I bet 1-3-7 (no recovery)
After the 12th spin I close it down and start over (Rinse and Repeat)
At this moment in time its working like a Peach :twisted: :LoL:
Lets hope there are no spies for BV on this forum. So happy P4 seems to HAVE BV's number. ;D
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 11:28 AM 2011
Yup :thumbsup:
A 12 Spin Session for me takes around 60-90 Seconds. Then I start over :lol:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 14, 11:30 AM 2011
Lets hope there are no spies for BV on this forum. So happy P4 seems to HAVE BV's number. ;D
I suggest we delete this Thread and go Underground :twisted:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 11:27 AM 2011
I bet all 3 EC's per spin until a win
For Example
1st Spin I unit on L E B
Win on B
2nd Spin 3 Units on L E
Win on E
3rd Spin 7 Units on L
Win on L
Rinse and Repeat :xd:
So you track all 3 even chance and bet against the fourth pattern?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 11:30 AM 2011
A 12 Spin Session for me takes around 60-90 Seconds. Then I start over :LoL:
I'm going to wait about half an hour inbetween attacks
To fill the gaps i will play matrix :smile:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 11:33 AM 2011
I'm going to wait about half an hour inbetween attacks
To fill the gaps I will play matrix :smile:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 11:31 AM 2011
So you track all 3 even chance and bet against the fourth pattern?
Yes. Dont you ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 11:27 AM 2011
I bet all 3 EC's per spin until a win
For Example
1st Spin I unit on L E B
Win on B
2nd Spin 3 Units on L E
Win on E
3rd Spin 7 Units on L
Win on L
Rinse and Repeat :xd:
I think i understand.
If my first 3 spins are 3 10 2 i bet on spin 10 H O B is that right?
1.2.4.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 11:40 AM 2011
Yes. don't you ?
I have only play High and Low.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 11:27 AM 2011
I bet all 3 EC's per spin until a win
For Example
1st Spin I unit on L E B
Win on B
2nd Spin 3 Units on L E
Win on E
3rd Spin 7 Units on L
Win on L
Rinse and Repeat :xd:
What if you lose in any of any do you rise the bet on that even chance? Do you play with 3 BR?
I am confused now ;D
I think twister mentioned earlier that he used 3 separate BR.
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 11:42 AM 2011
I think I understand.
If my first 3 spins are 3 10 2 I bet on spin 10 H O B is that right?
1.2.4.
Almost right
Spin 10 would be H E B
Spin 11 would be H O R
Spin 12 would be H O R
Delete each EC on a win
Use progression 1 3 7 :thumbsup:
The way i understand is
If you betting on all 3
if you win say on RB and HL on first step but lose 1st step on OE you then end your session on the RB HL
Now u only have OE to do 2 more steps on
What i'm thinking is
If you WIN on the FIRST step of 2 of the even chances. if your more conservative you can miss out the losing even chance pattern not to risk 2 more bets on it as you already win +1???
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 11:50 AM 2011
What if you lose in any of any do you rise the bet on that even chance? Do you play with 3 BR?
I am confused now ;D
On a win stop bettin that EC
On a loss increase stake. I use 1 3 7 :twisted:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 11:59 AM 2011
The way I understand is
If you betting on all 3
if you win say on RB and HL on first step but lose 1st step on OE you then end your session on the RB HL
Now you only have OE to do 2 more steps on
What i'm thinking is
If you WIN on the FIRST step of 2 of the even chances. if your more conservative you can miss out the losing even chance pattern not to risk 2 more bets on it as you already win +1???
Yes, you could do that :xd:
Now i understand all togheter :)
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 14, 12:02 PM 2011
Now I understand all togheter :)
Jon
Excellent ;D
The chance for all to match is smaaaaaaaal ;D
Have just recoverd the - 11 in 4 seperate attacks
playing all 3 ECs with zero coverd on steps 2 and 3 :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 12:22 PM 2011
Have just recoverd the - 11 in 4 separate attacks
playing all 3 ECs with zero coverd on steps 2 and 3 :thumbsup:
Awesome Zig ! :xd:
I remember i read long time ago a system from Kingspin he was betting all 3 even chance and say it was his personal holy grail . Sorry i dont remember but i think it was similar to this way.
Cheers
Jon
Hello everyone,
Firstly congrats to all who put this great system together, I have been following your progress with great interest and I think you have done a fantastic job on this. I have been searching for a good system to play on real tables for the last two years and this will work! Just a question, are there more wins on the first bet than any of the other two following bets, because if there are then a flat bet would work well, rather than a progression?
Regards
Midnight Player
Quote from: Midnight Player on Apr 14, 01:57 PM 2011
Hello everyone,
Firstly congrats to all who put this great system together, I have been following your progress with great interest and I think you have done a fantastic job on this. I have been searching for a good system to play on real tables for the last two years and this will work! Just a question, are there more wins on the first bet than any of the other two following bets, because if there are then a flat bet would work well, rather than a progression?
Regards
Midnight Player
IF you hit 2 wins on the 1st leg you can flat bet this
I would say its pretty even over the 3 legs
Twisteruk you are right, I play like you on BV and PB4 is givin the word "easy money" a whole new meaning :)
P. S. just like you in your earlier post I just had :
Bet H B E
Spin. . . 24 :twisted: :xd: :xd: :thumbsup:
Quote from: soggett on Apr 14, 02:36 PM 2011
Twisteruk you are right, I play like you on BV and PB4 is givin the word "easy money" a whole new meaning :)
P. S. just like you in your earlier post I just had :
Bet H B E
Spin. . . 24 :twisted: :xd: :xd: :thumbsup:
Mate that gave me a MASSIVE Smile :xd: :twisted: :lol:
Nice to read someone else is on board at BV NZ !!
Keep us updated :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 02:42 PM 2011
Mate that gave me a MASSIVE Smile :xd: :twisted: :LoL:
Nice to read someone else is on board at BV NZ !!
Keep us updated :thumbsup:
I'm glad :)
And BV NZ is awesome :love: :thumbsup:
Today I won 20 units
I played with 0,1 euro to try it out so that's 2 euro, not bad
I lost only once.
Didn't keep track of what I bet on, my bad :-[ . Will start from now on and report here
Tomorrow stakes go up :)
Quote from: soggett on Apr 14, 03:00 PM 2011
I'm glad :)
Today I won 20 units
I played with 0,1 euro to try it out so that's 2 euro, not bad
I lost only once.
Didn't keep track of what I bet on, my bad :-[ . Will start from now on and report here
Tomorrow stakes go up :)
Thats great to read !
Always post in Units. It keeps things relative :thumbsup:
Some use 0.01 .10 .50 1.00 etc etc
Then anyone readin can work out how much they would of won usin their stakes :xd:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 14, 11:00 AM 2011
After the 12th spin I close it down and start over (Rinse and Repeat)
You log out and come back after 12 spins season (win or loss)?
Quote from: marivo on Apr 14, 03:05 PM 2011
You log out and come back after 12 spins season (win or loss)?
Yes, everytime :xd:
Good. I played 140 spins season continuously every 12 spins and got down 28 unit on BV no zero fun mode. So obviously it helps if you end each season and log out.
Quote from: marivo on Apr 14, 03:11 PM 2011
Good. I played 140 spins season continuously every 12 spins and got down 28 unit on BV no zero fun mode. So obviously it helps if you end each season and log out.
No dont play it like that mate
Every 12 spins continuously will give you wrong results
Yes, always end each session and log out :thumbsup:
P4 has its own Thread now !
Plz continue to post your results with P4 there :twisted:
There's no mathematical basis/advantage of breaking it down in sessions broken apart versus one long continuous session?
Word of warning if you play it straight through you will break even minus the house edge because you do the same exact thing over and over. It's like playing Red or Black straight through, you will come out even minus the times when you hit zero.
If you can't win playing long term than explain how you can win playing short term intervals?? Everything must have a sound explanation to it and can't just be. J Legend, are you going to post your testing records on the forum.
I don't know if it's inevitable that P4 will come crashing down and the only way to find out is long extensive testing. And as disapointing as it might be I hope everyone on will be honest enough to concede if it really works or not. There seems to be a little bit of blind faith going on here that can cloud one's judgment. Just trying to be voice of reason, that's all.
Moxy i couldnt agree more with what you say how on earth could be small sessions give more profit long term ???
I hope Ophis does continue to make the tracker for Pattern Breaker/Filler. It has a place in Roulette strategy.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 15, 08:29 AM 2011
I hope Ophis does continue to make the tracker for Pattern Breaker/Filler. It has a place in Roulette strategy.
I hope so too. Maybe a tracker that dose all 3 :smile:
Since Pattern 4 is working @ BetVoyager, do you think Pattern Breaker/Filler will work there also?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 15, 09:23 AM 2011
Since Pattern 4 is working @ BetVoyager, do you think Pattern Breaker/Filler will work there also?
What is Pattern breaker filler ? ;D ;D ;D
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 15, 09:24 AM 2011
What is Pattern breaker filler ? ;D ;D ;D
Jon
Betting for i guess :D
Pattern Breaker is betting against the last pattern of eight High or Low: HHH, HHL, HLL, HLH, LLL, LHH, LLH, LHL
Pattern Filler is betting the last pattern of eight.
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I was saying I hope Ophis makes a tracker of these two strategies so they won't be forgotten.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 15, 10:26 AM 2011
Pattern Breaker is betting against the last pattern of eight High or Low: HHH, HHL, HLL, HLH, LLL, LHH, LLH, LHL
Pattern Filler is betting the last pattern of eight.
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I was saying I hope Ophis makes a tracker of these two strategies so they won't be forgotten.
Yes i know :)
I just havent heard the Filler name before but i understand now why :)
Its my bad english again :D
Pattern Filler I believe is the way to go here and the proven history of its cousin Pattern Breaker speaks for itself.
I have an idea which must be much more fully tested but if I outline why this has a tendency to happen you will be able to develop it yourself.
We are seeking a match for the missing eighth pattern.
There is an elastic force at work seeking to close this gap and the longer the cycle goes on, say past 55 spins, then the stronger this force will be.
From my testing I feel we are on the right track with the original intent to get in and take a win at the first opportunity, say the first part of RRB with red 23 showing.
The outcome though may have been RBB.
The full RRB is yet to show.
If the cycle is not too long, ie not past 65 spins then there may be several close calls ( and an occasional total failure) before the RRB shows.
So my idea is that we peck at the target for (more or less) 4 sets of three spins and milk the profit and then get out.
You may use the 1,3, 7 or 1,2,4 , or even flat.
Say with the first play RBB we hit the are on the first spin and take the profit then wait for the next pattern to start.
There is a usual exponential distribution between first second and third outcomes.
The first is always most likely to hit.
By pecking away , say four times, we can get +1, +1 and an occasional +2 or +3.
I have seen quite long sequences before and after the missing eighth turn up, but the risk is a total loss outcome showing. Even so, after a loss, four plays can recover quite well, or better still get out before a loss.
I emphasise I have not really tested this fully so am taking a risk in suggesting this sort of approach but I believe it may quite regularly triple the PF returns, with the caution of an occasional loss.
However, because of the filling force at work here I believe there is more reason for this to work given sensible constraints such as 4 x 3 spins.
Good Luck in framing some rules. Hope this assists.
Hi XXVV,
I am willing to give your idea a test but I would appreciate it if you would give a more visual description of your technique of playing it as you described.
In other words, an example of how you are suggesting to play.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 17, 12:43 AM 2011
Pattern Filler I believe is the way to go here and the proven history of its cousin Pattern Breaker speaks for itself.
I have an idea which must be much more fully tested but if I outline why this has a tendency to happen you will be able to develop it yourself.
We are seeking a match for the missing eighth pattern.
There is an elastic force at work seeking to close this gap and the longer the cycle goes on, say past 55 spins, then the stronger this force will be.
From my testing I feel we are on the right track with the original intent to get in and take a win at the first opportunity, say the first part of RRB with red 23 showing.
The outcome though may have been RBB.
The full RRB is yet to show.
If the cycle is not too long, ie not past 65 spins then there may be several close calls ( and an occasional total failure) before the RRB shows.
So my idea is that we peck at the target for (more or less) 4 sets of three spins and milk the profit and then get out.
You may use the 1,3, 7 or 1,2,4 , or even flat.
Say with the first play RBB we hit the are on the first spin and take the profit then wait for the next pattern to start.
There is a usual exponential distribution between first second and third outcomes.
The first is always most likely to hit.
By pecking away , say four times, we can get +1, +1 and an occasional +2 or +3.
I have seen quite long sequences before and after the missing eighth turn up, but the risk is a total loss outcome showing. Even so, after a loss, four plays can recover quite well, or better still get out before a loss.
I emphasise I have not really tested this fully so am taking a risk in suggesting this sort of approach but I believe it may quite regularly triple the PF returns, with the caution of an occasional loss.
However, because of the filling force at work here I believe there is more reason for this to work given sensible constraints such as 4 x 3 spins.
Good Luck in framing some rules. Hope this assists.
Now you are on the right track here XXVV, in my experience the last pattern can sleep for more than 120 spins (40 sets of 3) Whereas the first 7 patterns usually form inside 60 spins. This leaves alot of potential to exploit this.
Although that final pattern usually occurs inside 24 spins of the seventh. Commonly within 12 and of course consecutively from time to time.
But I like what you are suggesting here. Ive dabbled with it before and if you hit a super sleeper, WELL.
Hi Scooby and JL
Thanks for your interest and comment on this suggested variation.
I will provide an exact set of results on a recent test and this will illustrate where I am coming from. I totally agree with the summation by John.
There are opportunities here, but we must be prepared as you correctly state for the occasional sudden loss. But there seems lots of opportunities for streaks and multiple earnings. My suggested play of say 4 runs of outcomes on any particulat EC is a conservative preliminary rule of thumb stop point.
I will set out the full Dublin Bet live sequence of 120 spins so you can use this as the base and can extend the test further if you choose to the end of the 120 spins.
Please note in this case ( as opposed to the P4 test) I have treated zero as I normally do, ie invisible, so carry on the three sequence around it as you will see from my number setout - in P4 test I handled zero as JL has suggested.
I always hedge zero aggressively so when it appears for me it is a bonus win.
9
29
11
16
28
12
18
36
7
35
22
33
8
11
32
26
19
3
23
26
(0)
36
16
23
4
31
34
34
(0)
26
3
32
6
5
36
31
20
16
17
17
24
33
9
27
19
19
23
23
8
6
17
22
27
33
23
3
35
(0)
29
16
(0)
11
26
32
15
23
28
28
31
36
8
1
30
21
23
22
6
23
34
4
6
7
28
16
14
20
9
6
12
8
27
10
13
1
33
24
25
30
17
14
6
3
36
9
16
11
31
7
10
5
2
(0)
15
36
24
29
27
34
26
18
ie overall 120 spins one session.
LHL RBB OOO
LHL RBR EEE
LHL RRR EEO
HHH BBB OEO
LLH BBR EOE
HHL BRR EOO
HHH RBR OEE
OOE as PF the missing eighth ( very fast unfolding!)
LHL RRB EO* hit on O on second play thus +2 (using 1,3, 7 series)
BRB as PF ( again a fast unfoldment)
HHH B* O* +1 and +1
HLH B* EO* +1 and +2
LLH B* EO* +1 and +2
HHL B* O* +1 and +1 ( after 4 consecutive hits on one EC )
LLH B* O* +1 and +1
HLH B* O* +1 and +1
HHH RR* O* +2 and +1
HLL RBB* O* +3 and +1
LHH B* O* +1 and +1 (note target PF is LLL)
HHL* B* O* +3 +1 +1 now close and take profit on spin56.
The LLL would have had three more consecutive wins before a triple loss ( so again another good reason for my suggestion of taking profit after 4 wins but overall it is a discretion call and the runs on R/B and O/E had been excellent. Wins on these would have continued ten and seven sequences respectively.
overall +33 units while basic PF is +3 +1 +2 = +6 units
a more conservative take might be +3 + 4 +9 = +16 units
All in all a very good and encouraging result.
Hope this analysis helps.
Looking forward to your comments and suggestions.
Testing will continue here. It is slow but necessary. I can assure JL all my work is conducted manually with genuine live session data from real casinos either from reputable sources or my own personal records.
Now also can happily turn attention back to the promising matrix work that has developed from P4.
I should also make clear and this does affect results that on my P4 testing I halted progression at 1,3, 7 max and if that lost recorded a loss as -11.
By playing on no doubt different results will have materialised and streaks would would have run much longer! This may account for the considerable differences between my results and those of JL.
We have to be clear on this.
I will review earlier results on the basis of a longer progression ( although I personally would not play live on such a basis). I will be very happy to see positive outcomes in this case.
Good Hunting!
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 17, 12:43 AM 2011
Pattern Filler I believe is the way to go here and the proven history of its cousin Pattern Breaker speaks for itself.
I have an idea which must be much more fully tested but if I outline why this has a tendency to happen you will be able to develop it yourself.
We are seeking a match for the missing eighth pattern.
There is an elastic force at work seeking to close this gap and the longer the cycle goes on, say past 55 spins, then the stronger this force will be.
From my testing I feel we are on the right track with the original intent to get in and take a win at the first opportunity, say the first part of RRB with red 23 showing.
The outcome though may have been RBB.
The full RRB is yet to show.
If the cycle is not too long, ie not past 65 spins then there may be several close calls ( and an occasional total failure) before the RRB shows.
So my idea is that we peck at the target for (more or less) 4 sets of three spins and milk the profit and then get out.
You may use the 1,3, 7 or 1,2,4 , or even flat.
Say with the first play RBB we hit the are on the first spin and take the profit then wait for the next pattern to start.
There is a usual exponential distribution between first second and third outcomes.
The first is always most likely to hit.
By pecking away , say four times, we can get +1, +1 and an occasional +2 or +3.
I have seen quite long sequences before and after the missing eighth turn up, but the risk is a total loss outcome showing. Even so, after a loss, four plays can recover quite well, or better still get out before a loss.
I emphasise I have not really tested this fully so am taking a risk in suggesting this sort of approach but I believe it may quite regularly triple the PF returns, with the caution of an occasional loss.
However, because of the filling force at work here I believe there is more reason for this to work given sensible constraints such as 4 x 3 spins.
Good Luck in framing some rules. Hope this assists.
I am in total agreement with your proposed idea XXVV its a definate longterm winner. In my experience with the method a pattern can fall asleep so long it would become the final pattern in TWO consecutive games.
Thanks for your earlier post Scooby. For your information I have gone into some detail of explanation and development of the idea and posting of results on the thread "Experimental Ideas in Pro Play" on the Gambling Framework section.
The point of that thread was always to experiment, discuss and assemble the most suitable bets for professional play. Also to overlay some money management and player psychology.
What more could you want.
So far the testing has been very successful as long as the occasional triple loss ( reversal of the eighth pattern) is taken in stride. When this happens it appears that to play on is the answer but always to cut the session to say 120 max spins.
The progression I have used is a simple 1,3,7 and stop with loss at 11 units.
Good luck testing.
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 17, 12:43 AM 2011
Pattern Filler I believe is the way to go here and the proven history of its cousin Pattern Breaker speaks for itself.
I have an idea which must be much more fully tested but if I outline why this has a tendency to happen you will be able to develop it yourself.
We are seeking a match for the missing eighth pattern.
There is an elastic force at work seeking to close this gap and the longer the cycle goes on, say past 55 spins, then the stronger this force will be.
From my testing I feel we are on the right track with the original intent to get in and take a win at the first opportunity, say the first part of RRB with red 23 showing.
The outcome though may have been RBB.
The full RRB is yet to show.
If the cycle is not too long, ie not past 65 spins then there may be several close calls ( and an occasional total failure) before the RRB shows.
So my idea is that we peck at the target for (more or less) 4 sets of three spins and milk the profit and then get out.
You may use the 1,3, 7 or 1,2,4 , or even flat.
Say with the first play RBB we hit the are on the first spin and take the profit then wait for the next pattern to start.
There is a usual exponential distribution between first second and third outcomes.
The first is always most likely to hit.
By pecking away , say four times, we can get +1, +1 and an occasional +2 or +3.
I have seen quite long sequences before and after the missing eighth turn up, but the risk is a total loss outcome showing. Even so, after a loss, four plays can recover quite well, or better still get out before a loss.
I emphasise I have not really tested this fully so am taking a risk in suggesting this sort of approach but I believe it may quite regularly triple the PF returns, with the caution of an occasional loss.
However, because of the filling force at work here I believe there is more reason for this to work given sensible constraints such as 4 x 3 spins.
Good Luck in framing some rules. Hope this assists.
XXVV, I have an idea to cement the rules for PF. What this way of playing the PATTERN BREAKER concept represents, is similar to that of someone following the wheel betting on say RED or BLACK. In effect you can only lose once. Pattern Filler offers this same principle in a more certain format. You profit until random figures out the code.
And there are instances where this can take more than 20 lots of 3 to occur. I have a session that took 133 spins to conclude the first 7 patterns formed in 51 spins. I will start intensively testing this over the weekend. And see if it can be manipulated in our favour longterm...
Thanks JL and I look forward to your suggestions/ rules.
On a recent test ( always late at night!) I had one of the toughest PF and variation game(levels,1,2 and 3) as there was a triple loss on two EC's in the same betting cycle. Down 22 in one spin!
The level one standard game had provided a safe +1 +1 +1 result =+3 but it was taking a long time for the middle R/B EC to play out the seven patterns.
(Under the standard rules for level one I play out only the first attack on every EC and then do not return to that EC. Safe and effective).
Playing level 2 and on one EC ( theO/E) went very well if we stopped at four wins. And in a discretion view you could say to be offered +10 in 50 spins even though we had not 'completed' parts of the game, this would still be a good time to exit.
However if we carried on and by the time the H/L EC joined in we were +13 at one stage but then the two triple losses cut in without warning of course, so down to -9.
Only later did the middle R/B join in and if we carried on with the other two in recovery, we got back to +8 then we had another triple loss. But still no full eighth pattern appearance.
And so it see-sawed along and there were several situations when in live play you might have said, OK lets cut it at +3 units overall ( at 80 spins).
But if we soldiered on at 100 spins we were +5, and then a couple of the eighth patterns revealed, but carrying on ( why not?) by spin 119 (!!!)we were at +19 and climbing, and as my notional target is +20 I closed the session.
Plenty of scope for review on that one, but what I am trying to say is that despite some mid game setabacks, by perservering this method appears 'forgiving'. Mind you thats a dangerous sentiment to hang on the 'enemy'. Dont expect any mercy when things go bad and when in doubt probably safer to bale out earlier( sort of an RD Ellison practical pro philosophy).
I should add that on reflection on this late night tough game there was a simple and effective strategy that could have worked by doing the following :
1. take profit on the first EC opportunity at level 2 , ie O/E +1+3+2+2=+8
2.stop
3.then the second EC the H/L started its run but failed on the 3rd cycle and then followed triple losses quite closely.... +1+2-11+3+1-11 but then a streak of 12 wins on H/L followed of which some could be used to mop up the loss and take a small profit o/a for that EC at +5.
4. By this stage the third EC theR/B came on stream and it provided four quick cycle profits, +1+2+1+1.
So overall by stopping at four when no triple loss, but continuing on if a loss so as to neutralise the loss ( where possible and within reason). then in this case we would have achieved a settlement by spin 80 that was...
+5 +5 and +8, so o/a +18 by spin 80
That is what I am suggesting by being 'forgiving', but I could also say 'flexible' because losses can be quickly mopped up.
Doubtless there will be sessions occasionally where this just might not happen and we will have to stop loss, that could be say -40 worst case.
But that should be replaced by two winning sessions should that scenario ever eventuate, and lets hope that would be a rare event.
At this stage I have had 20 successive winning sessions, by ploughing on when there were early setbacks. All the level 1 PatternFiller bets have been successful.
I propose as a definitive test to rationalise this testing to 30 sessions of strictly 100 games once I have sorted the best set of rules. This first phase has been some trial and error.
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 19, 05:29 PM 2011
I should add that on reflection on this late night tough game there was a simple and effective strategy that could have worked by doing the following :
1. take profit on the first EC opportunity at level 2 , ie O/E +1+3+2+2=+8
2.stop
3.then the second EC the H/L started its run but failed on the 3rd cycle and then followed triple losses quite closely.... +1+2-11+3+1-11 but then a streak of 12 wins on H/L followed of which some could be used to mop up the loss and take a small profit o/a for that EC at +5.
4. By this stage the third EC theR/B came on stream and it provided four quick cycle profits, +1+2+1+1.
So overall by stopping at four when no triple loss, but continuing on if a loss so as to neutralise the loss ( where possible and within reason). then in this case we would have achieved a settlement by spin 80 that was...
+5 +5 and +8, so o/a +18 by spin 80
That is what I am suggesting by being 'forgiving', but I could also say 'flexible' because losses can be quickly mopped up.
Doubtless there will be sessions occasionally where this just might not happen and we will have to stop-loss, that could be say -40 worst case.
PBut that should be replaced by two winning sessions should that scenario ever eventuate, and lets hope that would be a rare event.
At this stage I have had 20 successive winning sessions, by ploughing on when there were early setbacks. All the level 1 PatternFiller bets have been successful.
I propose as a definitive test to rationalise this testing to 30 sessions of strictly 100 games once I have sorted the best set of rules. This first phase has been some trial and error.
XXVV I will only be testing on the H/L EC. I have total faith and solid experience with this even chance. I have just completed a session and won on the first spin. The first 7 patterns form in 42 spins. The elastic force pulled in the 8th pattern by spin 57. A tripple loss occurred by spin 69. And still tracking thst 8th pattern form again by spin 90.
Thanks JL
Its all very well in cool hindsight to test, but live play testing is probably better and I will start doing this.
By running one EC alone this is probably very sound and avoids errors.
Running the three EC's might be okay for overview or for short play.
In the heat of real play time pressures we would need to be super organised to manage three EC's.
So this practicality, feasibility, needs to be factored into the equation because we will be playing live only and that Latvian feed supplied to several live casinos is on a very fast time scedule. Dublin Bet varies of course.
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 19, 06:32 PM 2011
Thanks JL
Its all very well in cool hindsight to test, but live play testing is probably better and I will start doing this.
By running one EC alone this is probably very sound and avoids errors.
Running the three EC's might be okay for overview or for short play.
In the heat of real play time pressures we would need to be super organised to manage three EC's.
So this practicality, feasibility, needs to be factored into the equation because we will be playing live only and that Latvian feed supplied to several live casinos is on a very fast time scedule. Dublin Bet varies of course.
Well I believe testing where you intend to play for real the best way. You get a truer picture of what to expect. I tested pattern filler on jackpot challenge an airball site and its works as well as the Russian feed.
Testing P/F.
At last encountered the session from hell - which I am pleased about because we know that despite the tide helping us, sometimes there can just be too much adversarial stuff going on to make it worthwhile to continue, and before you know it the tide may be going out again and you are in deep quicksand.
I will publish this game later today as some experts out there may be able to suggest how to better handle it.
Firts time in my experience on level one, that two of the EC's had a triple loss, although one would have been bad enough. Now this could have been overcome by taking the progression on to the next triad cycle and thus hitting on the fourth spin with a progression say 1,3,7,15. In both cases this would have won and we could continue on our merry way.
But it was still a shock, and effectively ended the 30 plus streak of EC wins on first level with a loss on 31 and 32 games!
I am a bit uncomfortable with this progression and if I had taken the -11 loss in both cases, we would still have been well up in our multi session progress but it would have severely dented the rate of earning.
What I now need to know is the frequency of such events, so am racing ahead doing a sample of 100 games to just level one and see what the statistical risk actually is and then decide on the best progression(s).
Now on to level two. The nightmare continued and as all EC's were encountering early multiple triple losses ( and in one case the recovery progression would have needed to go to an eighth spin as there was a double triple loss on one EC later - so on these level two plays I kept to the basic 1,3,7 and took the 11 unit loss on the chin)
So I kept a running count of the net outcomes after each cycle of play and we were never in positive territory ( assuming a 1,3,7 progression on level one), however as the tide came in and eventually all three eighth patterns were hit you could see on overview the tide going out again as the cycle moved on!
Actually in spite of all the mayhem the running count including a standard loss on level one if we had stopped at -11 twice, gave two opportunities to get out. And if we had taken profit on level one by taking the progression to step four for level one only, we could have escaped with a profit after 70 odd spins at the standard +20 spins. So that may be good advice, but still wary of level one progression length.
However if we played more conservatively we could have got out at -2 units overall, as there was an earlier -1 as well. The worst low point was -46 units, suggesting playing risk bank needs to be probably 100 units. Also by 120 spin the running score was going down again as the tide went out, ending at -30.
A most unusual session, from a German live casino record.
Plenty to review and reflect on. More testing during today to put level one results in a bigger context.
Will publish these spins ( no working notes)from this game later today.
I am anticipating this session was exceptional.
there is no sutch thing as exceptional in roulette everything can and does happen ;)
yep i've just seen a woman throw live five 19's in a row within that after 3 times the pitboss made a spin an hit 19!! to prove its random
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 20, 03:43 PM 2011
Testing P/F.
At last encountered the session from hell - which I am pleased about because we know that despite the tide helping us, sometimes there can just be too much adversarial stuff going on to make it worthwhile to continue, and before you know it the tide may be going out again and you are in deep quicksand.
I will publish this game later today as some experts out there may be able to suggest how to better handle it.
Firts time in my experience on level one, that two of the EC's had a triple loss, although one would have been bad enough. Now this could have been overcome by taking the progression on to the next triad cycle and thus hitting on the fourth spin with a progression say 1,3,7,15. In both cases this would have won and we could continue on our merry way.
But it was still a shock, and effectively ended the 30 plus streak of EC wins on first level with a loss on 31 and 32 games!
I am a bit uncomfortable with this progression and if I had taken the -11 loss in both cases, we would still have been well up in our multi session progress but it would have severely dented the rate of earning.
What I now need to know is the frequency of such events, so am racing ahead doing a sample of 100 games to just level one and see what the statistical risk actually is and then decide on the best progression(s).
Now on to level two. The nightmare continued and as all EC's were encountering early multiple triple losses ( and in one case the recovery progression would have needed to go to an eighth spin as there was a double triple loss on one EC later - so on these level two plays I kept to the basic 1,3,7 and took the 11 unit loss on the chin)
So I kept a running count of the net outcomes after each cycle of play and we were never in positive territory ( assuming a 1,3,7 progression on level one), however as the tide came in and eventually all three eighth patterns were hit you could see on overview the tide going out again as the cycle moved on!
Actually in spite of all the mayhem the running count including a standard loss on level one if we had stopped at -11 twice, gave two opportunities to get out. And if we had taken profit on level one by taking the progression to step four for level one only, we could have escaped with a profit after 70 odd spins at the standard +20 spins. So that may be good advice, but still wary of level one progression length.
However if we played more conservatively we could have got out at -2 units overall, as there was an earlier -1 as well. The worst low point was -46 units, suggesting playing risk bank needs to be probably 100 units. Also by 120 spin the running score was going down again as the tide went out, ending at -30.
A most unusual session, from a German live casino record.
Plenty to review and reflect on. More testing during today to put level one results in a bigger context.
Will publish these spins ( no working notes)from this game later today.
I am anticipating this session was exceptional.
XXVV I do not advocate multi betting across the EVEN CHANCES. I played five games today for the tagged PATTERN FILLER. The first three were standard fare. Resulting in conclusions within 24 spins of the first SEVEN UNIQUE PATTERNS. THEN CAME THE FOURTH GAME. Here I will post the story of a super sleeper.
HHH--1,2-19-20-28-36-43
LLL--13-29
HLH**SUPER SLEEPER**44
LHL--3-9-12-18---27-41--TWO TRIPPLE LOSSES
HHL--5-6-7-8-24-26-32
LHH--4-14-23-25-40
HLL--10-11-30-33-38-39
LLH--16-17-21-22-31-34-37-42
LL0--35
I only played for four wins then became an observer to a super sleeper. HLH took 132 spins to be decoded by random. This is the second longest game I've ever recorded.
JL - what was outcome 15 please?
it appears to be missing on your schedule.
Hi JL once again.
I was working through your results and I guess the outcomes may be adjusted by what happened on cycle #15. Ass uming it was no big deal nevertheless my interpretation of the data is as follows.
Can you please correct me if I am wrong because this is an interesting game and despite what appears to me to be three triple losses, the running count is not so hostile and you quit at various stages ahead.
I gather the eighth pattern was identified at the completion of cycle 16?, after the LLH. and was shown to be HLH at that time? Or was it identified and then your 132 spins followed?
Either way you would have encountered a triple loss very quickly.
Or does your progression cover the 4th or 5th spin play needed?
Before I assume too much I had better check with you first though! What do you recommend as the best progression in this style of play?
What interested me is that a player in this case could have soldiered on as the sleeper was reluctant to appear and the triple loss appearances could have been absorbed, and would have achieved a positive outcome despite the time taken!
Funnily enough, with my own way of nullifying zero, my groupings would have differed from cycle 35 onward and by spin 132 the sleeper still would not have been hit!!! ( Did you record any subsequent spins ( lol)!)
Cheers
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 20, 06:39 PM 2011
JL - what was outcome 15 please?
it appears to be missing on your schedule.
Sorry XXVV it was H0L--15
Quote from: XXVV on Apr 20, 07:05 PM 2011
Hi JL once again.
I was working through your results and I guess the outcomes may be adjusted by what happened on cycle #15. arse uming it was no big deal nevertheless my interpretation of the data is as follows.
Can you please correct me if I am wrong because this is an interesting game and despite what appears to me to be three triple losses, the running count is not so hostile and you quit at various stages ahead.
I gather the eighth pattern was identified at the completion of cycle 16?, after the LLH. and was shown to be HLH at that time? Or was it identified and then your 132 spins followed?
Either way you would have encountered a triple loss very quickly.
Or does your progression cover the 4th or 5th spin play needed?
Before I assume too much I had better check with you first though! What do you recommend as the best progression in this style of play?
What interested me is that a player in this case could have soldiered on as the sleeper was reluctant to appear and the triple loss appearances could have been absorbed, and would have achieved a positive outcome despite the time taken!
Funnily enough, with my own way of nullifying zero, my groupings would have differed from cycle 35 onward and by spin 132 the sleeper still would not have been hit!!! ( Did you record any subsequent spins ( LoL)!)
Cheers
Yes XXVV, HLH was identified as the eigth and final pattern at the end of the 16th cycle of three spins. It took a total of 132 spins for HLH to form from the very start of the game. As you observed random was in a very repetitive flow. I have rarely seen so many back to back formations of the same pattern.
I use the GRAND MARTI on two levels XXVV, on my first attack which in this case would have been CYCLE 17 im at my most aggressive using 4,12,28. for subsequent attacks I drop to 1,3,7
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 20, 05:43 PM 2011
Yep i've just seen a woman throw live five 19's in a row within that after 3 times the pitboss made a spin an hit 19!! to prove its random
Or was that to prove the magnets were working lol. Where was this Strato18?
Thanks JL for that information. I realise you discard a triad when zero is involved.
Out of interest, and because it is my own training, I approach the sequence a little differently and like anything in chaos theory, a little change to that butterfly breeze over the Amazon can have an effect that may contribute (topical) to a tornado in the Midwest.
I just make zero invisible so I carry on as if it wasn't there ( although as I have said I hedge it VERY aggressively as a game within a game no what technique I am using.
In this case the effect would have been profound, and I trust I have understood your directions but look at this....
14 LHH
15 HLL
16 LHL
17 LHL
18 HLH and this becomes the 7th, so actually now LLH becomes eighth.
19 HHH
20 HHL oops
21 LHL
22 LHL
23 HHH
24 HLL
25 HHH
26 HLL
27 HLH
28 HHL ouch
29 LLH !!! - much sooner this way but just after a triple loss.
30 LLL
31 LHH
32 HLH
33 LLL
34 LHL ...... etc
I know its rather academic but it demonstrates an interesting principle.
Thanks for the extra information.
PS sorry for some silly typos earlier - working by candlelight!
This was a game that has caused some trouble..
German casino live 120 spins- all EC were played
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Quote from: XXVV on Apr 21, 02:52 AM 2011
Thanks JL for that information. I realise you discard a triad when zero is involved.
Out of interest, and because it is my own training, I approach the sequence a little differently and like anything in chaos theory, a little change to that butterfly breeze over the Amazon can have an effect that may contribute (topical) to a tornado in the Midwest.
I just make zero invisible so I carry on as if it wasn't there ( although as I have said I hedge it VERY aggressively as a game within a game no what technique I am using.
In this case the effect would have been profound, and I trust I have understood your directions but look at this....
14 LHH
15 HLL
16 LHL
17 LHL
18 HLH and this becomes the 7th, so actually now LLH becomes eighth.
19 HHH
20 HHL oops
21 LHL
22 LHL
23 HHH
24 HLL
25 HHH
26 HLL
27 HLH
28 HHL ouch
29 LLH !!! - much sooner this way but just after a triple loss.
30 LLL
31 LHH
32 HLH
33 LLL
34 LHL ...... etc
I know its rather academic but it demonstrates an interesting principle.
Thanks for the extra information.
PS sorry for some silly typos earlier - working by candlelight!
I think Zero actually works for us instead of against for both the Pattern Breakers and MV5 If zero was responsible for that super sleeper, cool. I had another sleeper today not as good as HLH. LLH took 89 spins to say hello. There were three Zeros in that game.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 21, 10:24 AM 2011
I think Zero actually works for us instead of against for both the Pattern Breakers and MV5 If zero was responsible for that super sleeper, cool. I had another sleeper today not as good as HLH. LLH took 89 spins to say hello. There were three Zeros in that game.
with this are you betting for or against the8 pattern?
paddy power john , im on with you boys now come away from william hill
something i probably will never witness ever again so its no worry to be fair, spin 4 pitboss span another 19 then again after coupier span 19 for the 5th time
Quote from: warrior on Apr 21, 12:14 PM 2011
with this are you betting for or agaist the8 pattern?
For Warrior its fantastic.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 21, 12:20 PM 2011
For Warrior its fantastic.
do you bet for all 3 spins ?
Quote from: warrior on Apr 21, 12:22 PM 2011
do you bet for all 3 spins ?
No you bet until you win and stop.
I have completed enough tests to have an overview here and am happy to publish this short summary, and others may choose to take this further. I have other work to move on to and overall I think these methods are very useful and as long as care is taken they offer genuine timely opportunities for profit, and as earlier said are ingenious in their design.
For clarity I have modelled these results into a 100 game format, my own samples being multiples of this.
These show a small postive return/ near break even overall which any set of good methods can mirror. Key is always in the timing of when to get and when to get out.
In 100 games....
outcomes for first spin win, second spin win, third spin win or loss.
49 26 13 12 losses
these tend to follow theoretical distribution principles
The 12 losses are made up as follows...
failures on 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th spin outcomes
5 3 2 1 1
Here are the results for the first ten sessions played, with the first nine being a lot smoother than the last. Following that I played other sessions with patchy results but feel that the principle of a method A and method B is worthwhile, as long as you are suitably prepared for sudden reversals, and act accordingly.
Method A takes a 3 step progression and stops after the first win, targetting the first triad of EC outcomes after the eighth pattern has been deduced. This is playing for the same as the eighth, ie the pattern filler.
Of course it makes no difference whether you play just H/L EC outcomes or all EC's but they should be kept in distinct columns and there may be an argument for separate banks, but in the longer view it actually makes no difference, as sometimes a running EC total ( one bank only) win ( say +17)can be a good signal to take your money and run ( applies to A and B combined)
Method B goes out on a limb a little further, and its a risk and reward approach. You take the first three or four outcomes that follow from the deduction of the eighth pattern and accumulate. Or you can go further on the branch.
Sometimes you can have runs of ten or more, sometimes you can hit a twin set of triple losses ( see data above). It can happen anytime whether early in the spin sequence or later but often you can note when you keep a running tally between EC columns that the tide comes in and goes out, especially after the eighth pattern has been materialised as a triad, or especially by the second time its hit.
I played out one session on 3 EC columns and had a peak result at +39 units but remember 22 units can quickly evaporate should two triple losses occur in the same cycles ( has happened a few times!).
Generally I try to target +20 units as a suitable gain and then get out.
Only in one session of the ten was the result always negative, and the exit was a matter of mitigating the disaster and getting out at -11 after a rebound from -49!!!
In practical fast play it may pay to take the advice of JL and stick to H/L alone, but thats a subjective call and depends on your ability to manage the controls and make the decisions fast enough! These are all 3 x EC results...
Session method A method B
1 +6 +17
2 +5 +21
3 +4 +22
4 +7 +19
5 +4 +17
6 +5 +18
7 +4 +21
8 +4 +17
9 +7 +23
10 -20 -11
o/a +26 +164 approx 1000 spins gross
More testing is needed and I suggest that in the long term PB results may match PF results. I even thought of playing then simultaneously, sort of Red and Black at the same time so when a streak happens you catch it from the outset. A triple loss for one, is potential triple win for the other but it doesnt quite work out like that as we stop at the first win.
As earlier stated I play a simple 1,3,7 (11 unit total), for +1,+2,+3 win results.
Hope this helps and thanks so much to JL for his ideas and consistently fast answers to queries. Cheers X.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 21, 01:12 PM 2011
No you bet until you win and stop.
thats what i thought thanks.
is there an excel to play this system
Quote from: sarif on Apr 22, 04:57 PM 2011
Is there an excel to play this system
Yes Sarif its called pen and paper. Well thanks to XXVV for his time testing the pattern breaker concept, it may indeed be an even pan for and against that FINAL PATTERN in the longrun. Here is the longest game in my records to illustrate the potential for playing AGAINST PATTERN 8 follow by a game I played yesterday for PATTERN 8.
THE LONGEST GAME EVER AGAINST
HHH-1,5,12,16,19,35,36,37,38
LLL-11,15,18
HLH-3,6,7,25,30
LHL-10,20,22,34,41,42
HHL-2,31,40,43,
LHH***46
HLL-13,14,17,27,29,45
LLH-4,8,9,21,23,24,26,32,44
0LH-28
L0L-33
H0L-39
It took random 138 spins to decode THE 8TH PATTERN. At the same time its complete reverse HLL made 6 appearances from its formation. Betting against the final pattern in this case would have resulted in a fantastic 32 consecutive winning cycles. This isnt an isolated occurance streaks in excess of 20 happen quite often.
BETTING FOR THE 8TH PATTERN
HHH-5-13,24
LLL-4,6,7,21,22,28,31
HLH-2,11,14,19,23,
LHL-12,20,29,35
HHL-1,3,26,27,32,33
LHH-10,15,16,25
HLL***36
LLH-9,17,30,34
HL0-8
L0H-18
Betting for PATTERN 8 resulted in another impressive winning streak although there were 3 reverse losses in the 24 cycle run. Either way you play this method has merit. And profit making potential, before the elastic forces at work pull that final pattern into place. This is your oppurtunity to make profit.
Hi JL
Had a good session with PB Filler and was betting for the 8th Pattern to come in, which was HHH and it won 11 sessions consecutively, and only produced it twice in 84 spins
(Session 22 & 28) on a live wheel (Progression 1,3,7) Profit +19 Units
Sessions won on 1st Bet = 5
Sessions won on 2nd Bet = 3
Sessions won on 3rd Bet = 3
Sessions Lost = 0
I was monitoring R/B and that also would of won all 11 sessions
Great strategy John keep up the good work :thumbsup:
Quote from: Gordonline on Apr 25, 07:13 PM 2011
Hi JL
Had a good session with PB Filler and was betting for the 8th Pattern to come in, which was HHH and it won 11 sessions consecutively, and only produced it twice in 84 spins
(Session 22 & 28) on a live wheel (Progression 1,3,7) Profit +19 Units
Sessions won on 1st Bet = 5
Sessions won on 2nd Bet = 3
Sessions won on 3rd Bet = 3
Sessions Lost = 0
I was monitoring R/B and that also would of won all 11 sessions
Great strategy John keep up the good work :thumbsup:
Thankyou Gordonline, well done for sticking witb it. Many have passed this by whiche is a shame as it really is one of roulettes achilles heels. Ill be making profit with this as long as I play.
The only Achilles Heel I see is the progression 1-3-7. When you will be playing D'Alembert: Loss +1 unit, Win -1 unit you will be much better on and with huge security.
Hermes
TRACKER:
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Thanks Ophis, will report back after some tests :thumbsup:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ophis
the tool is very helpful, but unfortunately there are some serious bugs in the code.
So far I just tested PB4 in detail:
After loosing first progression the tool does the traking not correct and it gives instructions to wrong bets, with wrong bet sizes or does not give instruction to bet when it should.
Maybe u can have a look into it.
We appreciate ur efforts.
Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 30, 03:45 PM 2011
Ophis
the tool is very helpful, but unfortunately there are some serious bugs in the code.
So far I just tested PB4 in detail:
After losing first progression the tool does the traking not correct and it gives instructions to wrong bets, with wrong bet sizes or does not give instruction to bet when it should.
Maybe you can have a look into it.
We appreciate your efforts.
Show me some example numbers and what exactly is going wrong.
Because this "After losing first progression the tool does the traking not correct and it gives instructions to wrong bets" tells me nothing to be honest. Recovery progression is working fine.
Quote from: ophis on May 01, 09:48 AM 2011
Show me some example numbers and what exactly is going wrong.
Because this "After losing first progression the tool does the traking not correct and it gives instructions to wrong bets" tells me nothing to be honest. Recovery progression is working fine.
An interesting game I played yesterday delivered 7 of the 8 possible patterns in 21 spins. That was the red light to me to go heavy AND cover the zero on spins 22---24. And of course I won. You don't often get this but when it happens random has invited you to a certain win. Here is the complete session.
H L L--1
L L L--2
L H H--3
H L H--4
H H L--5
H H H--6
L H L--7
L H L-----WIN BET 2 PLUS 9 UNITS (STAKING 11,22,47)
H H H
H L H
H H L
L H L
H H H
H H L
L H L
H H L
L L H----Pattern 8 in cycle 18--spins 52--54
Welcome back JohnLegend :thumbsup:
I am convinced that PB can beat random consistently. However, it never occured to me how difficult it is to find an honest wheel--not even in reputable places where the wheel is usually honest that the dealer doesn't "tip" the odds in their favor (especially when there's a crowd betting).
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 08, 02:50 PM 2011
However, it never occured to me how difficult it is to find an honest wheel--not even in reputable places where the wheel is usually honest that the dealer doesn't "tip" the odds in their favor (especially when there's a crowd betting).
Please Explain............. :question:
How can any human being spin a ball round 37 numbers to tip advantage to the casino , personally I think it impossible. The dealer is just a spinner not a psychic!
Quote from: Kingspin on May 08, 07:23 PM 2011
How can any human being spin a ball round 37 numbers to tip advantage to the casino , personally I think it impossible. The dealer is just a spinner not a psychic!
Yes just like we are. The advantage is in the game and wheel itself not in the dealer.
Jon
Quote from: Kingspin on May 08, 07:23 PM 2011
How can any human being spin a ball round 37 numbers to tip advantage to the casino , personally I think it impossible. The dealer is just a spinner not a psychic!
I think Proof is referring to a croupier spinning a footprint. Overtime some become proficient at doing this. However with the way high and low numbers are spread around the wheel. This will have no effect on a method like PATTERN BREAKER.
The only systems this could have some effect on are those that play the sectors on the wheel or people playing on a specific number. Maybe Proof can give us the name of the casinos he thinks are being unfair.
Dublinbet for instance seems fine in the morning USA CDT, but about 4pm to 5pm the crowd forms and just noticing the strike rate seems lower than normal. Same with Celtic Casino (which doesn't have the visible crowd, but watch the strike rate.) It may just vary on who's the dealer.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 09, 01:17 AM 2011
I think Proof is referring to a croupier spinning a footprint. Overtime some become proficient at doing this. However with the way high and low numbers are spread around the wheel. This will have no effect on a method like PATTERN BREAKER.
The only systems this could have some effect on are those that play the sectors on the wheel or people playing on a specific number. Maybe Proof can give us the name of the casinos he thinks are being unfair.
The dealer is to short time on the table at online casinos. Dealer change every 30 minutes.
Jon
I am saying even if a casino is honest, the dealer at the moment may not be. (i.e. you may have a large bet on the table, playing as usual and then a "sudden" dealer change--a predator dealer steps in for one spin.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 09, 07:21 AM 2011
I am saying even if a casino is honest, the dealer at the moment may not be. (i.e. you may have a large bet on the table, playing as usual and then a "sudden" dealer change--a predator dealer steps in for one spin.
Never record or found a dealer ho can effect the game.
Jon
This system in now coded in to Multi System Tracker.
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This is an amusing subject.
There is much debate over the skills of the most experienced casino personnel to affect the game, ie position the ball in a certain say 3/ 5 number area of the wheel. I cant really say but I suspect I have been actually helped many times by dealers spinning a zero section 'with' me - and always in a no tipping environment - or any other arrangement.
I have my favourite dealers and I am always fair, respectful and even charming to them in their work.
They are not always hostile, even the one's most upwardly mobile in the pecking order.
However there is another dimension perhaps overlooked. I recall a certain female dealer at Jupiters on the Gold Coast Australia. This is a big casino and the rewards to get to top management level are high.
She was called 'the Spider'.
Dark, forbidding, scary and destined for management stardom.
She had the guys trembling before her and we all turned to jelly in her hands. She destroyed player confidence.
It was a mental/ psychic quality and she worked on it.
She would have been very well cast in a Roman Polanski version of Macbeth - playing guess who!
As always with confidence, or lack of it, progress or the reverse is incremental. Step by step and before long she had you in her web.
Very effective. It just needed someone to smash the mirror. However during her time there, and even as a Pit Boss her reign of fear was palpable!
A game within a game alright. But never discount that edge a motivated dealer can bring to the table. This goes far beyond Dealer Signature.
still don't get this system, but it'll come to me eventually :wink: i am slow
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 02, 08:31 PM 2011
Still don't get this system, but it'll come to me eventually :wink: I am slow
Hi Halba, the concept is quite simple.
1, THERE ARE 8 POSSIBLE 3 SPIN PATTERNS FOR HIGH AND LOW AS FOLLOWS
H H H
L L L
H L H
L H L
H L L
L H H
H H L
L L H
2, When you begin playing a game you record your results like this in the order they form. If there is a pattern with a zero we count it under our 8 regular patterns. If one of our regular 8 unique patterns is formed MORE THAN ONCE in the timeframe of a game we number it accordingly. Example of a game I played today below.
H L H---1---4---10---12
L H H---2
L L L---3---13---14
H H H---5---11
H L L---6---8
L L H---7---9
L H L---15--------PATTERN 7 TRIGGER TO BET AGAINST PATTERN 8 (H H L)
H L L---16--------WIN BET 2
3, We use a three step progression similar to PATTERN 4 (1,2,4) The difference Halba1 is I will play Pattern breaker consecutively.
I hope that helps you grasp the concept I will update my recent results for this method tomorrow its long overdue. I typically play PATTERN BREAKER after PATTERN 4 using the same spins from the PATTERN 4 GAME only continuing on until I have ONE PATTERN LEFT.
Quote from: ROB22 on Apr 09, 12:24 AM 2011
How are your results from the last week Proofreader2000
I have been using live slingshot with these results
first game +2 in 39 spins
second game
HHL *
LHH *
HHL
HHL
HLH *
LLH *
LHH
LLH
LLH
LHL *
HLL *
HHL
HLH
HHL
LH0
LLH
LLL * HHH last pattern left bet opposite
HHH lost
maybe I should stay away from slingshot and only use real live spins
Thanks
yeah, can get bad luck lol
Lets say I have crossed of all the 7/8 combinations and I'm left with L L L, I'm suposed to bet the oposite so H H H but why can't it come out L L L again?
And which site should i use?
regards
@ mattsaint
That's the beauty of these systems. They are challenging something random to happens in a structured way. Of course if can happen and the LLL shows, then you've lost, and have another go at it. That was 1 bet cycle.
Hope this makes sense.
Regards,
Mauricio
o yes it makes sense thank you i get it, can you suggest any good sites were i can use this? ;D
Quote from: mattsaint on Jun 07, 10:33 AM 2011
Lets say I have crossed of all the 7/8 combinations and I'm left with L L L, I'm suposed to bet the oposite so H H H but why can't it come out L L L again?
And which site should I use?
regards
there is no higher chance it can come out LLL or any other way. you are just betting a random thing. akin to gambling LOL
Johnlegend is a gambling legend as it says and I rank him on the level with Diodoro, Wilson, John Solitude, cps10, Turbo Genius, Ales, RPRO75, Rearton, Addonai, and I am sorry if I miss a few more. They all deserve the Stars in Hollywood as they overshadow the legendary gambler Garcia.
I didn't pay attention to this system but I will for sure test it and tweak it if possible as I am a "tweaker". (screw up everybody's ideas).
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 08, 01:35 PM 2011
Johnlegend is a gambling legend as it says and I rank him on the level with Diodoro, Wilson, John Solitude, cps10, Turbo Genius, Ales, RPRO75, Rearton, Addonai, and I am sorry if I miss a few more. They all deserve the Stars in Hollywood as they overshadow the legendary gambler Garcia.
I didn't pay attention to this system but I will for sure test it and tweak it if possible as I am a "tweaker". (screw up everybody's ideas).
Cheers Hermes
Dont get carried away Hermes. I will have my day or year in 2012. When something gets started in the casinos of Europe that will open peoples minds about the possibilities with this game.
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 08, 01:35 PM 2011
Johnlegend is a gambling legend as it says and I rank him on the level with Diodoro, Wilson, John Solitude, cps10, Turbo Genius, Ales, RPRO75, Rearton, Addonai, and I am sorry if I miss a few more....-Hermes
I'd love to see
Pattern Breaker up for Steve Hourmouzis' $100,000 system challenge.
Can you tell me where Steve get the $100.000?
Hermes
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 08, 05:18 PM 2011
I'd love to see Pattern Breaker up for Steve Hourmouzis' $100,000 system challenge.
it is impossible as pattern4 is Hit & Run method.
ahahah
;D, :wink:
I tested the heart breaker on over 800 spins and not so excited. Got in second session 5 failures on HL and I wish in most of the time I bet against not the same! Betting against seems to be more successful. I bet all 3 ECs and once I had to wait to make a first bet on EO for 98 spins! I was lucky it hit on the first bet. It can happen that you reach your retirement on the table betting the Time Breaker. It is time consuming and not so much rewarding.
When I compare Time Breaker with the dynamic Bermuda, especially after implementing the columns the Heart Breaker is very boring. In slow going land casino you would have to visit a few times barber before finishing the game.
For sure not for me.
Pattern4 or Bermuda you can play the all day along if you don't have to run to washroom all the time.
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 08, 04:54 PM 2011
don't get carried away Hermes. I will have my day or year in 2012. When something gets started in the casinos of Europe that will open peoples minds about the possibilities with this game.
nabo
vais-te suicidar em sevilha?
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 09, 09:03 PM 2011
nabo
vais-te suicidar em sevilha?
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:) you bad boy!
vundarosa
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 20, 05:45 PM 2011
XXVV I do not advocate multi betting across the EVEN CHANCES. I played five games today for the tagged PATTERN FILLER. The first three were standard fare. Resulting in conclusions within 24 spins of the first SEVEN UNIQUE PATTERNS. THEN CAME THE FOURTH GAME. Here I will post the story of a super sleeper.
HHH--1,2-19-20-28-36-43
LLL--13-29
HLH**SUPER SLEEPER**44
LHL--3-9-12-18---27-41--TWO TRIPPLE LOSSES
HHL--5-6-7-8-24-26-32
LHH--4-14-23-25-40
HLL--10-11-30-33-38-39
LLH--16-17-21-22-31-34-37-42
LL0--35
I only played for four wins then became an observer to a super sleeper. HLH took 132 spins to be decoded by random. This is the second longest game I've ever recorded.
Hello JL... Just reading through, and not sure if I'm getting the above right...
The way I think you playing it is...
Wait till 7 out of the 8 combinations appear then bet opposite the remaining 8th one, until you lose...
If that's right the above game playing 1,2,4 progression would of won you 20 units. 27 games winning and the 28th it appeared.. Am I right, and if so what's your average number of games before the 8th one appears
Cheers
Quote from: paul2007 on Jun 10, 02:34 AM 2011
Hello JL... Just reading through, and not sure if I'm getting the above right...
The way I think you playing it is...
Wait till 7 out of the 8 combinations appear then bet opposite the remaining 8th one, until you lose...
If that's right the above game playing 1,2,4 progression would of won you 20 units. 27 games winning and the 28th it appeared.. Am I right, and if so what's your average number of games before the 8th one appears
Cheers
Hello Paul this is the thing with pattern Breaker, several members have dismissed it because it doesn't turnover like D&C or P4. Its the only method I will play both HIT and RUN and consecutively.
I am surprised nobody has come back before with what I'm about to say. If you play three consecutive games of PB and lets say one lost and random found that 8th pattern in a few cycles on another. You are certain to have a game soon that stretches beyond 5 cycles before random says in you come number 8. It simply has to happen. In that case I will play at least four cycles. This is a window of oppurtunity IT CAN FROM TIME TO TIME TAKE RANDOM LONGER to pull in that 8th Pattern. Than it took for it to catch the first 7. a lot LONGER.
I had a game recently where the first 7 patterns showed up in 30 spins, and the 8th pattern showed up 66 spins or 22 cycles later. That is the nature of this method.
In one game random can show you the 8th Pattern immediately after the 7th. In the next game you can reel off 8--25 wins before you see it. that's why I never worry losses will always be recovered. Again this confidense comes from knowing the nature of your method. So the average gap between the 7th and 8th pattern is around 8 cycles.
great job.john
"In one game random can show you the 8th Pattern immediately after the 7th. In the next game you can reel off 8--25 wins before you see it"
Now clear the confusion.
Which method you mean John, the bet opposite or the same? Do you think both make the gaps on the end?
I think bet opposite is more successful. It should be tested both ways.
Hermes
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 09, 12:53 AM 2011
it is impossible as pattern4 is Hit & Run method.
ahahah
;D, :wink:
Heres the thing, whoever said knowledge is power knew what they were talking about. If you offered me 100,000 but in order to obtain it id have to stop playing PATTERN 4 and the rest and have all knowledge that I can beat roulette erased from my mind Id decline. P4 will win alot more than 100,000 they all will.
Time to start posting results for the original PATTERN BREAKER. I am only starting with recent results as played with PATTERN 4. What I typically do is play the two at the same time. So when a game of PATTERN 4 is over. I am still recording spins for PATTERN BREAKER. Until we reach the final pattern. So my results arent as extensive as PATTERN 4 but will give other members an idea of how I play it.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 150
TOTAL GAMES WON 141
TOTAL GAMES LOST 9
STRIKERATE APPROX 14/1
BALANCE 156 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 41
LONGEST FIRST GAME WINNING STREAK 27
The wait for this method is uncertain unlike PATTERN 4. It is a truly random method that can deliver surprising results. What I am trying to do is learn of its pattern of delivery. What I have noticed is if you play three consecutive games. At least one of them delivers a window of oppurtunity to win multiple times after the 7th pattern has formed. If this phenomena continues I will attempt to take advantage of this. Also it should be a signal to a player that if the game you have just played takes more than 4 cycles to pull in that 8th pattern. Playing consecutively may result in a loss. There is skill of judgement involved in this game known as roulette. Do not let anyone ever tell you different. 8)
Hi John
As you know I'm a fan of Pattern Breaker, and last night I had an interesting game where the 8th pattern was HLL but also the pattern I was betting for (LHH the opposite) had only appeared once so the corrective forces were working even more powerfully with 9 winning streaks before I had to unfortunately go out
I thought it was worth mentioning, as this scenario is probably the best one to have
Gordon ;D
Quote from: Gordonline on Jun 11, 07:34 AM 2011
Hi John
As you know I'm a fan of Pattern Breaker, and last night I had an interesting game where the 8th pattern was HLL but also the pattern I was betting for (LHH the opposite) had only appeared once so the corrective forces were working even more powerfully with 9 winning streaks before I had to unfortunately go out
I thought it was worth mentioning, as this scenario is probably the best one to have
Gordon ;D
Yes Gordon thats what is fascinating with this method. With Pattern 4 the game is won or lost in 3 spins. With PATTERN BREAKER. You could potentially win 25 plus times in one game. I have seen it several times. With about 8 winning cycles being the normal good winning streak. I think this is the value of that WAIT with this method. To learn how to harness a potential goldmine of wins.
Hi John
Played my usual P4 session tonight with +9 units on all 3 E/C's and then monitored the wheel for Pattern Breaker and took a bit of a hit -26 Units
I missed my bet on the 1st game for H/L (which would of won) then won my 2nd game but my 3rd lost due to the Zero and then had a double loss on games 4 & 5, the reason I bet on game 5 was to bet the last pattern was not going to repeat, but it did, I then bet it wouldn't repeat again and I only won on the 3rd bet of that sequence phew !!!! (I was down about 42 units but clawed back 25 of them and decided that I would call it quits on H/L
I monitored O/E's as well and again I was hit ny zero twice in 4 games and that was the final straw, better quit and take a little set back rather than chase the losses
That is my first losing session in about 3 weeks, I'll take that ;D
Gordon
Quote from: Gordonline on Jun 11, 07:01 PM 2011
Hi John
Played my usual P4 session tonight with +9 units on all 3 E/C's and then monitored the wheel for Pattern Breaker and took a bit of a hit -26 Units
I missed my bet on the 1st game for H/L (which would of won) then won my 2nd game but my 3rd lost due to the Zero and then had a double loss on games 4 & 5, the reason I bet on game 5 was to bet the last pattern was not going to repeat, but it did, I then bet it wouldn't repeat again and I only won on the 3rd bet of that sequence phew !!!! (I was down about 42 units but clawed back 25 of them and decided that I would call it quits on H/L
I monitored O/E's as well and again I was hit ny zero twice in 4 games and that was the final straw, better quit and take a little set back rather than chase the losses
That is my first losing session in about 3 weeks, I'll take that ;D
Gordon
Hi Gordon you know I only play PATTERN BREAKER with HIGH AND LOW AND NEVER bet against the 8th pattern twice if I lose, its the last one to the party and often it wants to be the first one through the door at the next party. Had you covered the zero the night would have been very different. The brilliant XXVV said something recently about Zero being the only thing that can upset these methods from time to time after Clothdog had a similar bad session.
I play for 5-20 units a game depending on the method. Next year when I've got a small fortune on the line. Be sure the green goblin gets covered. So with the PATTERN BREAKER family house edge cannot defeat you but it can give you annoying setbacks from time to time.
With the new CODE 4 for example, in my 120 games ZERO has hit 7 times. If I had zero covered my profit margin would be around double what it is already. So XXVV has a very strong point here. We treat Zero as a little jackpot bonus instead of an arch enemy.
So you started the session well with your classic one, two and three with PATTERN 4. Then had a bad one with PATTERN BREAKER. I'm playing PATTERN 4 like you now Gordon but without the third stage RED and BLACK. And its working.
PATTERN BREAKER is a strange animal, but learn its nature its a goldmine. Yesterday for the first time I bet on several cycles after the 7TH PATTERN had formed and heres why.
I had been recording spins and the first game lost. I wasn't playing just recording. So I played the very next game and won. BUT, the 8th pattern formed the very next cycle. So I played back to back games. And bet for three winning cycles and won. THE 8TH PATTERN. Finally came in on the 7th cycle. I have seen this three game breakdown so many times its time to start taking advantage of it.
There is a skill of JUDGEMENT in this game that makes all the difference. THINK about what's happening, otherwise you miss a lot of potential if you just go through the motions like some slot playing zombie. Remember ROULETTE is easier to beat than POKER. And I'm not bluffing. ;D
hmmm....I like this, only problem ive been having is that it takes so long for a all the variations to go through, but I do like, congrats JL, legend by legend by nature ;)
ok just a thought, dont know if we can go anywhere with this, but what are the chances of your matrix coming out in exact order? I realise over thousands of spins it would eventually, however none of us play for thousands of spins in one sitting do we? So what I was thinking is, would therebe a way to utilise JLs pattern so we can bet quicker and get out quicker!
So for instance the combo as you set them out Mr JL
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
Is there anyway we can harness this and use it to break the pattern? Any thoughts? Just trying to get your creative juices flowing, as you all know far more about roulette than me! If im talking rubbish then feel free to say! lol
Lucy x
Just too many spins in pattern breaker. more like pattern fizzer don't mind the pun
there is no additional advantage for betting for or against a pattern, its gamblers fallacy
oh well! Just trying to think outside the box and hopefully someone might get a spark from one of my crackpot ideas! lol
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 14, 08:06 AM 2011
Hmmm....I like this, only problem I've been having is that it takes so long for a all the variations to go through, but I do like, congrats JL, legend by legend by nature ;)
ok just a thought, don't know if we can go anywhere with this, but what are the chances of your matrix coming out in exact order? I realise over thousands of spins it would eventually, however none of us play for thousands of spins in one sitting do we? So what I was thinking is, would therebe a way to utilise JLs pattern so we can bet quicker and get out quicker!
So for instance the combo as you set them out Mr JL
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
Is there anyway we can harness this and use it to break the pattern? Any thoughts? Just trying to get your creative juices flowing, as you all know far more about roulette than me! If I'm talking nonsense then feel free to say! LoL
Lucy x
Very good Lucy the thought has crossed my mind before. Id say take HHH LLL OUT of the equation and it would be worth testing, please elaborate on your thoughts Lucy. Are you suggesting we bet against each pattern in the order I have them written. Or do we wait for random to form a pattern and then bet it doesn't form the next pattern under it?
What I've be doing lately is studying the behaviour of the second to last pattern. THE SEVENTH PATTERN. It offers a bonus bet and it rarely takes more that 20 cycles (60 spins) to be formed. My thinking is when the first six patterns have formed. Lets say we are left with LHL LLH. We wait until the first two steps of one of the remaining pattern forms. Then attempt to finish it. So if we had LH... We would bet for L to complete the seventh pattern.
My tests show the average number of bets to nail that seventh pattern is *3*. So there is something there I think. But please do go into more detail Lucy about how you would execute your idea.
Regards JL.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 14, 08:26 AM 2011
Just too many spins in pattern breaker. more like pattern fizzer don't mind the pun
there is no additional advantage for betting for or against a pattern, its gamblers fallacy
Halba you are getting more negative by the day. If there is no advantage we wouldnt be winning systemstically. I wouldnt have winning streaks over 25 in a row for Pattern Breaker. Random has achilles heels. Being forced to produce a three spin pattern on the spot is one of them.
You are coming from the classic school of cant wait wont wait to make the moolah. That attitude is doomed. Roulette is a very beatable game. the price to the player is PATIENCE. Little wonder why it is safe for generations to come. The one thing required to beat it is the very thing 99.9% of people do not have.
JohnLegend how much of a bankroll do you recommed for this system?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 14, 08:42 AM 2011
Very good Lucy the thought has crossed my mind before. Id say take HHH LLL OUT of the equation and it would be worth testing, please elaborate on your thoughts Lucy. Are you suggesting we bet against each pattern in the order I have them written. Or do we wait for random to form a pattern and then bet it doesn't form the next pattern under it?
What I've be doing lately is studying the behaviour of the second to last pattern. THE SEVENTH PATTERN. It offers a bonus bet and it rarely takes more that 20 cycles (60 spins) to be formed. My thinking is when the first six patterns have formed. Lets say we are left with LHL LLH. We wait until the first two steps of one of the remaining pattern forms. Then attempt to finish it. So if we had LH... We would bet for H to complete the seventh pattern.
My tests show average number of bets to nail that seventh pattern is *3*. So there is something there I think. But please do go into more detail Lucy about how you would execute your idea.
Regards JL.
Thank you for your kind words JL!
Are you reading my mind? I also thought about taking the HHH LLL out of the pattern. I've noticed strings of numbers do come out HHH LLL quite often and 6 into a progression is quite steep!
Ok, I had thought of both variations you have suggested, either betting against the pattern forming exactly as you have it written down, or that the previous pattern doesn't form again underneath.
Alternativly I was thinking that the more complex the pattern, the more unlikely random will copy it verbatim. So for instance as in your pattern:
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
if we could devise some way of using this patttern that didn't have a crazy progression? just a thought. On a side note, would it be possible to make a variation on this to work on the columns/dozens?
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 14, 09:07 AM 2011
Thank you for your kind words JL!
Are you reading my mind? I also thought about taking the HHH LLL out of the pattern. I've noticed strings of numbers do come out HHH LLL quite often and 6 into a progression is quite steep!
Ok, I had thought of both variations you have suggested, either betting against the pattern forming exactly as you have it written down, or that the previous pattern doesn't form again underneath.
Alternativly I was thinking that the more complex the pattern, the more unlikely random will copy it verbatim. So for instance as in your pattern:
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
if we could devise some way of using this patttern that didn't have a crazy progression? just a thought. On a side note, would it be possible to make a variation on this to work on the columns/dozens?
We will leave dozens and columns for another day Lucy. Here is what I think. To take on an 18 spin pattern is too much. But to oppose the thirs step of a pattern isnt. Now ive seen it all with Pattern Breaker Lucy over the three years Ive tested and played it.
Ive seen in no particular order, random form the first seven patterns one after the other. BUT NEVER 8. It happenned yesterday for ODD AND EVEN. It then took random 25 cycles, 75 spins to form the 8th pattern.
So Random can indeed knock out 7 of the 8 combimations, its the 8th one it struggles with. But I think it would be impossible for it to knock the patterns out exactly as I have them written. Thats why youve got me curious Lucy.
Putting our heads together we may turn a good method into an invincible GRAIL. Keep it coming. Random doesnt like precise order. It can only fluke it once in a large pool.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 14, 09:06 AM 2011
JohnLegend how much of a bankroll do you recommed for this system?
I recommend 25 times your minumum level Proof. So if thats 1,2,4. 200 units is fine.
Hmm...yep two heads are better than one so to speak, ill get thinking of some more ideas
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 14, 11:19 AM 2011
Hmm...yep two heads are better than one so to speak, ill get thinking of some more ideas
What I used to do some years ago, before I really had a method was walk into a casino and think of a three spin pattern then bet against it with consistent success. The idea was the chances of you matching a three spin pattern as soon as you think of it are slim. The chances of it being a non match aren't.
So what I am going to do is test what would happen if I worked my way through paterns 3--8 as I've written them. And oppose each one for a continous 18 spins stop at a win for each one and let the rest of the sequence complete virtually should I win the first or second step. See how many times I do or don't make it through without a loss. Ill keep you posted.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 14, 02:46 PM 2011
What I used to do some years ago, before I really had a method was walk into a casino and think of a three spin pattern then bet against it with consistent success. The idea was the chances of you matching a three spin pattern as soon as you think of it are slim. The chances of it being a non match aren't.
So what I am going to do is test what would happen if I worked my way through paterns 3--8 as I've written them. And oppose each one for a continous 18 spins stop at a win for each one and let the rest of the sequence complete virtually should I win the first or second step. See how many times I do or don't make it through without a loss. Ill keep you posted.
Nice idea JL!
Im buzzing now, im sure that all of us as a forum can really work as one on breaking the wheel!
lucy x
JL,
Here is an idea worth possibly testing. Instead of waiting for all those spins, why not just count down one spin for the next pattern until you have 5 and the bet on 6th not showing. Leave out HHH, LLL e.g..
23
14
23.....HLH
7...LHL
9...HLL
19...LLH
34...LHH..now bet HHL
35..L
3...W
22...
This way you won't have so many spins to contend with.
CD
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 21, 09:44 PM 2011
JL,
Here is an idea worth possibly testing. Instead of waiting for all those spins, why not just count down one spin for the next pattern until you have 5 and the bet on 6th not showing. Leave out HHH, LLL e.g..
23
14
23.....HLH
7...LHL
9...HLL
19...LLH
34...LHH..now bet HHL
35..L
3...W
22...
This way you won't have so many spins to contend with.
CD
agree clothdog. a system is only useful if it can be implemented and has a good win rate,income per session. pattern breaker in current form is hard to implement.
i understood ure system am trying it now
I corrected my previous post. I should have stated "bet opposite HHL"
23
14
23.....HLH
7...LHL
9...HLL
19...LLH
34...LHH..now bet opposite HHL
35..L
3...W
22...
This way you won't have so many spins to contend with.
cd
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 21, 09:44 PM 2011
JL,
Here is an idea worth possibly testing. Instead of waiting for all those spins, why not just count down one spin for the next pattern until you have 5 and the bet on 6th not showing. Leave out HHH, LLL e.g..
23
14
23.....HLH
7...LHL
9...HLL
19...LLH
34...LHH..now bet HHL
35..L
3...W
22...
This way you won't have so many spins to contend with.
CD
Yes clothdog thats an idea. Now I am studying the breakdon of patterns six to eight. I have Some exciting finds to share. Later after my dinner I will write.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 22, 11:20 AM 2011
Yes clothdog that's an idea. Now I am studying the breakdon of patterns six to eight. I have Some exciting finds to share. Later after my dinner I will write.
Clothdog's idea seems interesting and looking forward to hearing of your discoveries, JL :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 22, 11:31 AM 2011
Clothdog's idea seems interesting and looking forward to hearing of your discoveries, JL :)
A.
Hi Atlantis. I will explain in detail over the weekend I have to summarize and collate my findings into a concise and easily read piece for all to grasp. Because what Ive discovered turns Pattern breaker into a more certain method than MV5. THE DIFFERENCE, You have 80 units at risk for MV5. We will get faster and equally solid results for a fraction of that risk. In short PATTERN BREAKER will never show you negative figures from ANY SINGULAR GAME PLAYED if you follow my findings to the LETTER.
I have played 40 games in the new format. And profitted 40 times. PATTERN BREAKER, JUST BROKE ROULETTE for alltime. And I dont make that boast lightly. You will all get it on Saturday.
Exciting times JL look forward to seeing it.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 22, 05:48 PM 2011
Hi Atlantis. I will explain in detail over the weekend I have to summarize and collate my findings into a concise and easily read piece for all to grasp. Because what I've discovered turns Pattern breaker into a more certain method than MV5. THE DIFFERENCE, You have 80 units at risk for MV5. We will get faster and equally solid results for a fraction of that risk. In short PATTERN BREAKER will never show you negative figures from ANY SINGULAR GAME PLAYED if you follow my findings to the LETTER.
I have played 40 games in the new format. And profitted 40 times. PATTERN BREAKER, JUST BROKE ROULETTE for alltime. And I don't make that boast lightly. You will all get it on Saturday.
=) i'm ready
AWESOME TIMES!!!
Looking forward... :thumbsup:
Hello JohnLegend!!!
I was wondering why we hadn't heard from you for such a longtime.....
Really look forward to reading about your findings......
As a side note, any thoughts about 6x6, PHASE 3, DS4, CODE 4 update?
But I guess they might be made obsolete :)
Quote from: amk on Jun 23, 07:03 AM 2011
Hello JohnLegend!!!
I was wondering why we hadn't heard from you for such a longtime.....
Really look forward to reading about your findings......
As a side note, any thoughts about 6x6, PHASE 3, DS4, CODE 4 update?
But I guess they might be made obsolete :)
when john goes missing it means he is studying.
H
Quote from: amk on Jun 23, 07:03 AM 2011
Hello JohnLegend!!!
I was wondering why we hadn't heard from you for such a longtime.....
Really look forward to reading about your findings......
As a side note, any thoughts about 6x6, PHASE 3, DS4, CODE 4 update?
But I guess they might be made obsolete :)
Hi Amk forgive my indifference. I have tunnel vision, Phase 3 and CODE 4 Are very strong methods, Phase 3 hits the forum Sunday. Here is what I am saying. CODE 4 is excellent still haven't lost. Update later. PHASE 3 loses about once every 150-200 games with 45 Units
on the line to make 3 a game.
NOW the revised PATTERN BREAKER? Potentially 1000/1 with *7 units on the line*.
Quote from: warrior on Jun 23, 11:00 AM 2011
when john goes missing it means he is studying.
Warrior knows me well. I've been studying alright. If I can get this across on the weekend youll understand EVERYONE wants a system that never loses and small risk.
I think I'm VERY CLOSE. I will start a fresh thread on SATURDAY. I think it is worth its own space.
Hi John/Fender...
Sounds really cool this new system you have been working on.
Ive kinda been following PB4 and all the other systems, but got lot by the shear amount of mods/changes etc, so i have not been playing them...
hopefully people will respect this new system and the strike rate and fingers crossed we wont need to make any modifications
when you do the write up for the new system/idea... can you bare in mind some people are still taking baby steps and others are fully up to date on ure systems/methods..
for me it will be like learning to read again as ill be starting from a fresh.
SURE LOOKIN FORWARD TO THIS
bare in mind forum might be down a few days too...
mike :)
is there a new tracker for pattern breaker
Quote from: sarif on Jun 24, 01:18 PM 2011
is there a new tracker for pattern breaker
I cannot help you there Sarif sorry. I still track and record with pen and paper. I am oldschool.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 23, 11:18 AM 2011
HHi Amk forgive my indifference. I have tunnel vision, Phase 3 and CODE 4 Are very strong methods, Phase 3 hits the forum Sunday. Here is what I am saying. CODE 4 is excellent still haven't lost. Update later. PHASE 3 loses about once every 150-200 games with 45 Units
on the line to make 3 a game.
NOW the revised PATTERN BREAKER? Potentially 1000/1 with *7 units on the line*.
Looking forward to your Revised Pattern Breaker (RPB) I was very happy with 12/1 now a 1000/1 is boggling my mind, bring it on JL!!!!
I was in vegas this weekend playing PB4. That 0/00 is a killer. My first game hit 0H00-Loss(double zero)
Second game different table(I didn't want to play same table after both zeros hit) lose first 2 games after another zero hit and I just didn't feel comfortable betting the third game after the zero hit and I bailed out. Good thing,because it would have been a double loss. :o I checked out and played on 8 different tables and while I won some the zeros were killing me and I just stopped playing and ended with a loss.
So I don't know how JL hits these first game winners like 20 in a row but it ain't happening over here. this is like way too stressful when you're going on the 6th spin after 5 losing spins.
CD
Play it on Baccarat, no zeros there ! ;D
So there is Revised Pattern Breaker?
In which post is it described.
CD
Play 0/00 then and incorporate that into your bets.
Its not hard.
XXVV
Quote from: ophis on Jun 26, 02:36 PM 2011
So there is Revised Pattern Breaker?
In which post is it described.
it hasnt come
X,
Oh really? It's not that hard? Who is going to risk $50 or whatever to win $25? I play $25 units so if I play $25 on H/L then I have to play $25 on the inside because that's the minimum bet. So, I have to play $50 to win $25 on the outside. Yes, it is hard or am I missing something? BTW, I forgot to mention on the way out I decided to give it one more shot. Lost the first game again without the zeros hitting. I decided not to chase a second game. I'm done chasing. While the guy next to me is up $12,000. I'm taking a break for awhile and whether I choose to play this anymore on 0/00 wheels.
CD
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 27, 08:58 AM 2011
X,
Oh really? It's not that hard? Who is going to risk $50 or whatever to win $25? I play $25 units so if I play $25 on H/L then I have to play $25 on the inside because that's the minimum bet. So, I have to play $50 to win $25 on the outside. Yes, it is hard or am I missing something? by the way, I forgot to mention on the way out I decided to give it one more shot. Lost the first game again without the zeros hitting. I decided not to chase a second game. I'm done chasing. While the guy next to me is up $12,000. I'm taking a break for awhile and whether I choose to play this anymore on 0/00 wheels.
CD
CLOTHDOG BE PATIENT,soon i will present a system that can be played 12 numbers on the inside,euro,and american wheel has to do with movement on the inside of the wheel,not the layout.
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 27, 08:58 AM 2011
X,
Oh really? It's not that hard? Who is going to risk $50 or whatever to win $25? I play $25 units so if I play $25 on H/L then I have to play $25 on the inside because that's the minimum bet. So, I have to play $50 to win $25 on the outside. Yes, it is hard or am I missing something? by the way, I forgot to mention on the way out I decided to give it one more shot. Lost the first game again without the zeros hitting. I decided not to chase a second game. I'm done chasing. While the guy next to me is up $12,000. I'm taking a break for awhile and whether I choose to play this anymore on 0/00 wheels.
CD
What happen to John Legend ,,, Saturday was going to be the big day for pattern breaker new concept,,, 1000-1, Hope all is well with him,,,, that is most important
Quote from: mikeyespo on Jun 27, 05:58 PM 2011
What happen to John Legend ,,, Saturday was going to be the big day for pattern breaker new concept,,, 1000-1, Hope all is well with him,,,, that is most important
another pattern duster
pattern 4 barely works, too many repeaters. i don't know how you maintain a strike rate good. i could barely be ahead after 1 day play with pattern 4
warrior...
looking forward to this.
im a big fan of wheel based systems.
I agree halba. One thing I didn't mention, was that on my way out of the vegas hotel sunday, I decided to give it one more go. First game...LOST AGAIN!! The same pattern repeated and I wasn't going to chase a 2nd game.I have seen enough. Good luck to JL with this method. i'm not playing it on a 0/00 wheel. :-\ Regardless, I can't believe he has had that many first game win streaks when I can barely get out of the box. :( I was hoping he was going to post saturday while I was there. And nobody commented, after X told me just to place a cover bet on 0/00. And now you're betting twice the amount to win half the amount. Ridiculous. :twisted:
CD
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 28, 12:59 PM 2011
I agree halba. One thing I didn't mention, was that on my way out of the vegas hotel sunday, I decided to give it one more go. First game...LOST AGAIN!! The same pattern repeated and I wasn't going to chase a 2nd game.I have seen enough. Good luck to JL with this method. i'm not playing it on a 0/00 wheel. :-\ Regardless, I can't believe he has had that many first game win streaks when I can barely get out of the box. :( I was hoping he was going to post saturday while I was there. And nobody commented, after X told me just to place a cover bet on 0/00. And now you're betting twice the amount to win half the amount. Ridiculous. :twisted:
CD
Hi Clothdog,
XXVV said place a COVER BET on 0/00,
he did not say bet twice the amount to win half the amount,
If you think about it and think how much to bet on the cover bet it makes perfect sense really,
Regards,
D1.
Hi there, could you send me the details with useing pattern breaker with baccerat. cheers dave
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 28, 12:59 PM 2011
I agree halba. One thing I didn't mention, was that on my way out of the vegas hotel sunday, I decided to give it one more go. First game...LOST AGAIN!! The same pattern repeated and I wasn't going to chase a 2nd game.I have seen enough. Good luck to JL with this method. i'm not playing it on a 0/00 wheel. :-\ Regardless, I can't believe he has had that many first game win streaks when I can barely get out of the box. :( I was hoping he was going to post saturday while I was there. And nobody commented, after X told me just to place a cover bet on 0/00. And now you're betting twice the amount to win half the amount. Ridiculous. :twisted:
CD
Clothdog, you are playing a double zero wheel, im playing a single european wheel big difference from the get go. My appologies to members who were expecting the life changing PATTERN BREAKER REVISION.
It had one flaw I hadnt encountered at the preliminary stages of testing. And that is multiple contenders for COMBINATION 6 which was to be its name. I always say I will not post up a method until I KNOW its profittable and WORKS.
HOWEVER,'ny efforts have not been totally fruitless and in vain. I HAVE improved the turnover of the original PATTERN BREAKER. And made a fresh discovery that is STRONGER than PATTERN 4, but as you might expect requires a little more patience.
NOW, regarding pattern 4, for people like CLOTHDOG who seem able to lose that first game. A trigger is necessary. Random can be taken by the patient it really can.
The last week led me to a dissappointing conclusion with COMBINATION 6. BUT, Ive come up with the ultimate incarnations for both PATTERN BREAKER and MATRIX VERTICAL 6 E/C. Soon to be posted up with a indepth instructions on how to exploit them.
Hello JohnLegend,
Great to hear from you again. You make playing roulette more fun...
To bad about COMBINATION 6 but any research done will always lead to improvements........
Might it be an idea to post it in the testing zone and see if anybody can develop something further out of it?.....
Hope we will also be fortunate enough to review PHASE 3, I am sure Hermes is also very curious :)
Quote from: amk on Jun 28, 02:15 PM 2011
Hello JohnLegend,
Great to hear from you again. You make playing roulette more fun...
To bad about COMBINATION 6 but any research done will always lead to improvements........
Might it be an idea to post it in the testing zone and see if anybody can develop something further out of it?.....
Hope we will also be fortunate enough to review PHASE 3, I am sure Hermes is also very curious :)
Thankyou Amk, PHASE 3 will defo be on here Saturday morning. I have not worn my senses out in vain though. COMBINATION 6 will be dropped in the testing Zone Friday.
AND, Sunday I will give the forum THE HOLY GRAIL. OH YES, When one door closes often another one opens. DO THE MEMBERS ON THIS FORUM REALLY WANT A SYSTEM THAT WILL *NEVER LOSE*. Has a relatively low risk. And will not take a lifetime to get a game?
Be on this forum mid day SUNDAY. I have it.
The Legend ..... I cannot wait...........
D1,
OK...let's see. The table minimum is $25. Inside or outside bet. If I place $25 on High and a cover bet of $25(because I can't bet less, splitting 0/00 and I lose.I have lost $50. If I win, I break even. So in order to win $25 I need to Bet $50 on H to cover the loss if 0/00 hits. Do the math.
CD
I guess it's the end of the casino's now the holy grail is here soon. ;)
Any one winning with code 4 ??
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 28, 02:59 PM 2011
D1,
OK...let's see. The table minimum is $25. Inside or outside bet. If I place $25 on High and a cover bet of $25(because I can't bet less, splitting 0/00 and I lose.I have lost $50. If I win, I break even. So in order to win $25 I need to Bet $50 on H to cover the loss if 0/00 hits. Do the math.
CD
Hi CD
Could you not play a lower stakes table say where you could bet $10 on the outside and $1 splitting 0/00 ?
I was not trying to be funny CD I just thought you might not have seen what XXVV was getting at thats all,
D1.
Quote from: D1 on Jun 28, 03:20 PM 2011
Hi CD
Could you not play a lower stakes table say where you could bet $10 on the outside and $1 splitting 0/00 ?
I was not trying to be funny CD I just thought you might not have seen what XXVV was getting at that's all,
D1.
I dont know why CD is playing 25 dollar stakes to begin with. I dont even start at 25 dollars. There is money management issues here. I take it CD is an American citizen who (for whatever reason I will never fathom) cannot access internet live roulette legally. There has to be a way to start at a lower minumum.
D1,
No. What casino do you play at that allows that? Also,I made a mistake. I meant to be understood as if I lose a spin and 0/00 doesn't hit, I've lost $50. Now I live in a state where internet gambling is illegal.
JL,
What difference does it make if I start at $25? Just because you don't start there? You start where you're comfortable with. And if this system is so iron clad it shouldn't make a difference especially if you have money. I have the appropriate bankroll. You must think I am some kind of penny bettor who's trying to get rich by playing quarters. I just get pissed that this is like going nowhere losing the first game more than 50% of the time and by the way I did suffer a double loss while I was there. It's not the money. It's the system.
I can afford to bet $25 even more if I needed. I am not going to waste frivolous time betting $1, $5 or $10. $25 is low for me.
D1, you don't understand, the casino's in my area you can bet $1 on 0/00 but you NEED to bet a minimum of $25 on the inside. Sometimes table minimums are only $15. That means $15 either on the inside or outside. If you put $15 on the outside, and you want to play inside numbers, you better have $15 on one number or spread out. So in this case you are betting $30. Or should I say, I want to win $15 so I play $30, to win $15 because I lose $15 when the 0/00 don't hit. I hope everyone gets it now.
CD
Quote from: Kingspin on Jun 28, 03:09 PM 2011
I guess it's the end of the casino's now the holy grail is here soon. ;)
Any one winning with code 4 ??
i tried 1 day and i got repeaters. i will never try it again
clothdog why on earth you play american roulette. its house edge is like a slot machine
Not to worry Kingspin..... there will still be plenty of time to collect winnings.......... :)
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 28, 04:18 PM 2011
D1,
No. What casino do you play at that allows that? Also,I made a mistake. I meant to be understood as if I lose a spin and 0/00 doesn't hit, I've lost $50. Now I live in a state where internet gambling is illegal.
JL,
What difference does it make if I start at $25? Just because you don't start there? You start where you're comfortable with. And if this system is so iron clad it shouldn't make a difference especially if you have money. I have the appropriate bankroll. You must think I am some kind of penny bettor who's trying to get rich by playing quarters. I just get pissed that this is like going nowhere losing the first game more than 50% of the time and by the way I did suffer a double loss while I was there. It's not the money. It's the system.
I can afford to bet $25 even more if I needed. I am not going to waste frivolous time betting $1, $5 or $10. $25 is low for me.
D1, you don't understand, the casino's in my area you can bet $1 on 0/00 but you NEED to bet a minimum of $25 on the inside. Sometimes table minimums are only $15. That means $15 either on the inside or outside. If you put $15 on the outside, and you want to play inside numbers, you better have $15 on one number or spread out. So in this case you are betting $30. Or should I say, I want to win $15 so I play $30, to win $15 because I lose $15 when the 0/00 don't hit. I hope everyone gets it now.
CD
Hey CD sorry I tried to help
The casino's in the uk as far as maximum and minimum bets are concerned and what you can and cannot bet are completely different
D1.
D1,
No problem mate! Just a different scenario here that I have to contend with. :thumbsup:
CD
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 28, 04:18 PM 2011
D1,
No. What casino do you play at that allows that? Also,I made a mistake. I meant to be understood as if I lose a spin and 0/00 doesn't hit, I've lost $50. Now I live in a state where internet gambling is illegal.
JL,
What difference does it make if I start at $25? Just because you don't start there? You start where you're comfortable with. And if this system is so iron clad it shouldn't make a difference especially if you have money. I have the appropriate bankroll. You must think I am some kind of penny bettor who's trying to get rich by playing quarters. I just get pissed that this is like going nowhere losing the first game more than 50% of the time and by the way I did suffer a double loss while I was there. It's not the money. It's the system.
I can afford to bet $25 even more if I needed. I am not going to waste frivolous time betting $1, $5 or $10. $25 is low for me.
D1, you don't understand, the casino's in my area you can bet $1 on 0/00 but you NEED to bet a minimum of $25 on the inside. Sometimes table minimums are only $15. That means $15 either on the inside or outside. If you put $15 on the outside, and you want to play inside numbers, you better have $15 on one number or spread out. So in this case you are betting $30. Or should I say, I want to win $15 so I play $30, to win $15 because I lose $15 when the 0/00 don't hit. I hope everyone gets it now.
CD
I don't know clothdog..........
You are playing American Roulette.......
If you could just play live online........
They must have single zero wheels in Canada..... and lower stakes......
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 28, 04:18 PM 2011
D1,
No. What casino do you play at that allows that? Also,I made a mistake. I meant to be understood as if I lose a spin and 0/00 doesn't hit, I've lost $50. Now I live in a state where internet gambling is illegal.
JL,
What difference does it make if I start at $25? Just because you don't start there? You start where you're comfortable with. And if this system is so iron clad it shouldn't make a difference especially if you have money. I have the appropriate bankroll. You must think I am some kind of penny bettor who's trying to get rich by playing quarters. I just get pissed that this is like going nowhere losing the first game more than 50% of the time and by the way I did suffer a double loss while I was there. It's not the money. It's the system.
I can afford to bet $25 even more if I needed. I am not going to waste frivolous time betting $1, $5 or $10. $25 is low for me.
D1, you don't understand, the casino's in my area you can bet $1 on 0/00 but you NEED to bet a minimum of $25 on the inside. Sometimes table minimums are only $15. That means $15 either on the inside or outside. If you put $15 on the outside, and you want to play inside numbers, you better have $15 on one number or spread out. So in this case you are betting $30. Or should I say, I want to win $15 so I play $30, to win $15 because I lose $15 when the 0/00 don't hit. I hope everyone gets it now.
CD
Okay Clothdog, but my argument remains. You can never get the same results playing an American wheel while most play a European wheel. Theres a reason why all players are advised to avoid it. I know its all you have to work with. But my methods are all proofed on the European wheel. I liken the U.S wheel to trying too beat an RNG. its going to be very hard.
Hi JL
I've not posted on here for a while but just to let you know that I'm still playing P4 hit & run style and I'm now +170 units in the last month, patience is the key and I only play 3 games (1 game on each even chance, H/L on spins 10,11,12 O/E 13,14,15, and R/B 16,17,18) if I lose on any one of the games I can switch to Pattern Breaker for 2 games for recovery.........Simples
I've had only 1 loss so far on one game but I followed it up with 2 wins at a higher progression for a +3 win
Everyime you bet on a P4 sequence your odds are 7/1 in your favour, so think about it.......if it loses which inevitably it will occasionally just be patient and either retrack or switch to P4
One of the golden rules I've learnt since being on this forum and through lots of trsting is this.......always play hit & run to keep the odds in your favour then quit otherwise you play into the hands of the house edge
I know some of you may say, ok big deal +170 units thats not worth it for a month online, but although I only play with £1 units it still is £170 but what if I was playing £25 units then its £4250 which is not bad for playing about 20mins per session and only part time
As JL says time and time again be patient and build your BR first before increwsing your unit value, and if you suffer a loss just take it on the chin and move forward
Thats my tuppence worth, tbanks John
Gordon ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 28, 05:25 PM 2011
Okay Clothdog, but my argument remains. You can never get the same results playing an American wheel while most play a European wheel. Theres a reason why all players are advised to avoid it. I know its all you have to work with. But my methods are all proofed on the European wheel. I liken the U.S wheel to trying too beat an RNG. its going to be very hard.
So the truth be known, it's only for the european wheel. While I was getting my ass kicked on the american wheel. I don't know if that was empatically stated way back. But interesting still, like halba, he was losing and I don't know if he was playing the american wheel. Let's hear from someone who is playing the american wheel and not by choice . What a waste >:(
CD
Quote from: Gordonline on Jun 28, 07:35 PM 2011
Hi JL
I've not posted on here for a while but just to let you know that I'm still playing P4 hit & run style and I'm now +170 units in the last month, patience is the key and I only play 3 games (1 game on each even chance, H/L on spins 10,11,12 O/E 13,14,15, and R/B 16,17,18) if I lose on any one of the games I can switch to Pattern Breaker for 2 games for recovery.........Simples
I've had only 1 loss so far on one game but I followed it up with 2 wins at a higher progression for a +3 win
Everyime you bet on a P4 sequence your odds are 7/1 in your favour, so think about it.......if it loses which inevitably it will occasionally just be patient and either retrack or switch to P4
One of the golden rules I've learnt since being on this forum and through lots of trsting is this.......always play hit & run to keep the odds in your favour then quit otherwise you play into the hands of the house edge
I know some of you may say, ok big deal +170 units that's not worth it for a month online, but although I only play with £1 units it still is £170 but what if I was playing £25 units then its £4250 which is not bad for playing about 20mins per session and only part time
As JL says time and time again be patient and build your BR first before increwsing your unit value, and if you suffer a loss just take it on the chin and move forward
that's my tuppence worth, tbanks John
Gordon ;D
Hi Gordon, very well put. Listen a gain of 170 units in a month is very good. From little ACORNS GROW MIGHTY OAKS. With your mindset and understanding. I will bet this time next year, you will be making several times that much in a calendar month.
If someone tells you they increase their bankroll by 5% a week. The average Joe would say "Is that ALL". But if that BR is 50,000 units. Thats 2500 units. How many people take that much home in their day jobs?
All things are relative. Run this game like a business. Yes, take it that seriously. Aim for a 5-10% increase n your BR each week. You will surprised what even 100 units will grow to in just 6 months. IF, you can TRULY increase it by 5-10% each and every week. Believe me VERY FEW people can and do.
But your patience and persistence will be richly rewarded if you can stay with the plan. Its always the human mind that bends first. If you are made of the right stuff, this game will reward you like no job everwill.
Hi john legend!
Quick question had a couple of sticky situations with playing dc and code 4 which i posted up. Basically when i bet money on live casino, william hill and paddy power slingshot, i lost 2 games of each ! So didnt even have a chance of playing it hit and run. Just wonder if u got any thoughts on this, and any tips on where i went wrong or if i just hit a maaaasive losing streak!
Cheers if u got time to reply:)
Shemanator,
You got Terminated! ;D You see there are no sure things when playing this method or any other. I've gotten busted more times on the first game than you can shake a stick at, but it's the 0/00 wheel they say. Oh, but I get it now. That extra zero throws it all off. :'( Interesting, but I've lost first games with neither zero hitting. You can hit the wall anytime. I know I've been there. When I was in Vegas this past weekend the dealer hit #28 4 out of 5 spins. Anything can happen and does. You can't predict when to get in but you should certainly know when to get out.
CD :thumbsup:
Quote from: shermantor on Jun 29, 06:04 PM 2011
Hi john legend!
Quick question had a couple of sticky situations with playing dc and code 4 which i posted up. Basically when i bet money on live casino, william hill and paddy power slingshot, i lost 2 games of each ! So didn't even have a chance of playing it hit and run. Just wonder if you any thoughts on this, and any tips on where i went wrong or if i just hit a maaaasive losing streak!
Cheers if you time to reply:)
I have no anwser to that, if you are seriously telling me you played four consecutive games of CODE 4 with paper odds of 80/1 and lost them ALL. You should leave this game alone.
Or wait for Sunday when I will give you a method that doesn't lose. But will require PATIENCE.
I know some people cant buy a win, dont ask me why. If 100 people play a method and 97 are being sucessful but 3 cant win to save their life. All of a sudden the methods no good.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 30, 01:32 AM 2011
I know some people can't buy a win, don't ask me why. If 100 people play a method and 97 are being sucessful but 3 can't win to save their life. All of a sudden the methods no good.
Jl,
It's not that the method is no good, the reason for that is, the universe is telling them they shouldn't be gambling.
CD :thumbsup:
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 30, 08:28 AM 2011
Jl,
It's not that the method is no good, the reason for that is, the universe is telling them they shouldn't be gambling.
CD :thumbsup:
Maybe so Clothdog, my advice to you playing a double zero wheel is to instigate a losing game trigger. One thing nobody has reported yet is a tripple loss. The games value rides on that fact for me. With PATTERN 4 I know a trigger puts it on par with PATTERN BREAKER. You see you all want to win yesterday. Im telling you all dont rush success. Take it step by step. And raise your chip value.
If you were at a level where a single game of pattern breaker would win you $100 how many games do you have to win a day? Think in those terms. QUALITY not QUANTITY.
PATTERN BREAKER RESULTS UPDATE FOR 30/06/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 240
TOTAL GAMES WON 226
TOTAL GAMES LOST 14
STRIKERATE APPROX 16/1
BALANCE 304 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 38
LONGEST FIRST GAME WINNING STREAK 43
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO
This is the ultimate way to play the PATTERN BREAKER concept. I believe. Its consistency never lets me down. And I don't mind the occasional 60 plus spin wait to get a game. Its the results that count. And my strikerate has risen since my last update. And I have enjoyed a 43 first game winning streak a new record since I have started posting results, but not the longest I have had. That remains the phenomenal 112 I had nearly two years ago. You have to embrace a strong method and stay with it.
Ironically I think that people who have lost the first few games they ever played of a method could infact be "lucky". I think we have seen enough results to say that after a loss it will be a long time before you see another......... If they have the advised BR's they have a few shots at getting into the cycle......
But ofcourse you have to draw the line somewhere.....
Quote from: amk on Jun 30, 06:57 PM 2011
Ironically I think that people who have lost the first few games they ever played of a method could infact be "lucky". I think we have seen enough results to say that after a loss it will be a long time before you see another
Lucky??? Seen enough results???From whom JL? Sorry amk, but you are dead wrong. In vegas last week, I suffered a double loss. Already, after losing the first game of the day. winning the second. And then the dreaded double loss. How confident of a feeling is that?? Oh, but keep playing you won't have another loss because you just did. I say BS. the odds are worse than 1/8 because of the 0/00.
You can't convince me otherwise.
CD
Quote from: clothdog on Jun 30, 11:03 PM 2011
Lucky??? Seen enough results???From whom JL? Sorry amk, but you are dead wrong. In vegas last week, I suffered a double loss. Already, after losing the first game of the day. winning the second. And then the dreaded double loss. How confident of a feeling is that?? Oh, but keep playing you won't have another loss because you just did. I say BS. the odds are worse than 1/8 because of the 0/00.
You can't convince me otherwise.
CD
Of course they are clothdog, that's why you are advised not to play it. Look I never said any of my methods will work as well on a U.S wheel as a European one. If its not working stop using it. Play bacarrat as Twister says its pure 50/50 no zero. Alternatively use a losing game trigger thats what I would do if I lived in a country that doesnt want you winning anything, just paying taxes till you drop. Then youll be telling us you are losing three in a row ???
Sorry Clothdog, I did not take into account that you were playing the American Wheel, double zero, what a ripoff.........
On the American wheel you just can't win......
I did some research and found that they do infact have single zero wheels in Las Vegas......
Las Vegas: link:://:.roulette-systems.com/single-zero-roulette.html
> Monte Carlo
> Paris
> The Reserve
> Stratosphere
> Las Vegas Hilton
> Caesar's Palace
> Mirage
> Bellagio
> MGM Grand
> Frontier
> Tropicana
> Binion
> The Resort at Summerlin
> El Cortez (no single zero wheel but does have a 10 cent double zero wheel)
Did you just miss this?
It's worth a try on the single zero wheel, just small units, see what happens.......
I'm back home now. I was at The Cosmopolitan. My casino does have a single zero wheel in the high limit room. Go figure! It's NEVER open. ??? Minimum is only $25. If they open it, it's only on friday and or sat nights after 9pm. or they will open it if you reserve it for $10 grand. LMAO!! The one dealer I know says he can't remember the last time it was running. I wonder why?? because they make more money on the 00 wheels! >:D
CD
Quote from: clothdog on Jul 01, 11:45 AM 2011
I'm back home now. I was at The Cosmopolitan. My casino does have a single zero wheel in the high limit room. Go figure! It's NEVER open. ??? Minimum is only $25. If they open it, it's only on friday and or sat nights after 9pm. or they will open it if you reserve it for $10 grand. LMAO!! The one dealer I know says he can't remember the last time it was running. I wonder why?? because they make more money on the 00 wheels! >:D
CD
Clothdog, you need to step back from the double zero wheel and learn its nature. ITS STILL BEATABLE. But you need to study its nature. You make it sound like it never wins for pattern 4. What Id like you to do is record 10 consecutive games on two different days and report the breakdown. If I had no choice but the U.S wheel id still beat it. But this is where your friendly neighborhood PATIENCE MAN, becomes even more essential.
From what I can gather of your temperament as a player. You seem to be in a hurry. STEP BACK for a few days learn the nature of this beast then take it apart. I believe the trigger is the solution. PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE. Do it and own the hardest game on the casino floor to beat. THE AMERICAN ROULETTE WHEEL.
Clothdog,
I found a online casino with a LIVE wheel which says they allow American citizens to play....
:.oddsmaker.com/live-dealer/
"Oddsmaker.com is home to a very well known online sportsbook. The company has been based and licensed in Curacao since 1998, which allows them to accept players from restricted countries like the United States."
Give them an email to see if they have a Live European wheel, which I am pretty sure they have, and how you can deposit and withdraw. Just ask them to block all bonuses to your account before you make a deposit.......
Thank you for your timely advice John.
Amk,
I live in a state where internet gambling is illegal except for horses. If you are from this state the internet casinos do allow you to wager. Also, I might add that I do have my own straight up system which I played last night cashing in handsomely. This bailed me out of the mess I was in with PB4 in vegas. I will continue to play my own system as I trust it and has not failed me. I also play it hit and run. It is very difficult to explain, it's based on mathematics.It is based on the last x amount of numbers that have appeared and play anywhere from 4-12 numbers. I hit 5x in a row last night and the guy next to me couldn't believe it. he thought I was on fire, couldn't understand what I was doing. I told him to play 31, he did and hit. it took me 3 years to figure this out and I'm not saying in any way shape or form it is the holy grail, but it works for me. I go to the casino a couple of times a month. I don't need to make money from gambling. I'm a doctor by profession who likes to use this for recreation and fun.I will still keep PB4 in my back pocket in case I ever need a bailout.
CD :thumbsup:
Hello Dr. Clothdog,
To bad about playing online.....
Is your system by chance betting on the last 5 numbers that appeared then add on by betting on each new number that appears. When a number repeats you win. This is just a brief explanation...
Hello amk,
No, it's not even close to that. It has nothing to do with adding more numbers. In fact, you may think it's quite radical, however you would be surprised how accurate it is. thanks to John, I now play this hit and run but in a different way. After I hit a table , instead of sitting there waiting for a play, I go to different tables to see if I have a play. Nothing to do with patterns either. It's very difficult to put on paper what I do, in fact I don't need to unless there is no marquee. A little bit of intuition is helpful with this. But it is really a combination of a multitude of factors I take into consideration as observation after a few years of playing. I'm not here to tout what I do or say what I have is any better than what's been posted. It's just my style and it apparently it is not betting even chances though I do have my own system for betting single columns.
Just my two cents! :thumbsup:
CD
Clothdog can you explain your method?.
I also live in the U.S. and I do not have access to European Roulette. I am also a former doctor, but in America I have no right to work with a diploma from another country.
Thanks.
Hi JohnLegend,
I am sure i am not the only member to be sorry that you didn't post yesterday your promised method :
"wait for sunday when I will give you the method that doesn't lose"
I will say this once and as I will soon be leaving the Forum it really doesn't matter if I upset a few, as I never originally set out to make friends here. I just wanted to genuinely help other people, by helping myself and sharing the journey and experiences, now nearly completed.
Cant you see, all those who complain and twaddle on about trivia and silly mistakes they have made, that JohnLegend has consistently done his best to help you, and encourage self belief and a winning attitude in roulette. He repeatedly, and with extraordinary patience, much more than I could summon, has encouraged and answered all manner of questions, and where appropriate, taken on board criticism or suggested improvements.
Method after method has been delivered and has exceeded all expectations. That is because so many methods published are fatally flawed. Through understanding of timing and reading the game, however intuitively done, JL has produced excellent and consistent results which those that complain cannot replicate.
Like all worthwhile ideas, the methods may have evolved and improved in time and experience, like all growing interactive entities. They like good wine, get better with time.
I personally know several people who have followed J/L's instructions and guidance, and have consistently done so well that in some cases they have re-paid all past debt, through respect for what JL has taught and also their own good sense and patience.
Now you are hanging breathlessly on the next 'great idea', and impatiently carping over delays.
Looking on from a distance that is all so silly and immature.
Look to yourselves, those that complain, and question your attitudes. Right before you now are the keys to great success and wonderful opportunities with the methods that JL and Scooby and others on this Forum have worked so hard to creatively produce. Then it is up to you to work to earn the right to success.
Above all it is attitude that may make the difference in your future fortunes.
Good Hunting
XXVV
Well said XXVV, welcome encouragement for all...
Quote from: clothdog on Jul 03, 03:04 PM 2011
Hello amk,
No, it's not even close to that. It has nothing to do with adding more numbers. In fact, you may think it's quite radical, however you would be surprised how accurate it is. thanks to John, I now play this hit and run but in a different way. After I hit a table , instead of sitting there waiting for a play, I go to different tables to see if I have a play. Nothing to do with patterns either. It's very difficult to put on paper what I do, in fact I don't need to unless there is no marquee. A little bit of intuition is helpful with this. But it is really a combination of a multitude of factors I take into consideration as observation after a few years of playing. I'm not here to tout what I do or say what I have is any better than what's been posted. It's just my style and it apparently it is not betting even chances though I do have my own system for betting single columns.
Just my two cents! :thumbsup:
Hello Clothdog
Maybe you could try this matrix version for American Wheel
Cheers
seykid
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/american-wheelers-matrix/msg51583/#msg51583
CD
Hello XXVV,
Please don't tell me you are leaving the forum as well?
I was really enjoying this forum especially JohnLegends threads and methods...
There will always be people who do not agree with a method or playing style......
It was so much fun and its sad that just a few comments stops perhaps the greatest roulette minds in the world from working together......
Quote from: XXVV on Jul 04, 03:06 AM 2011
I will say this once and as I will soon be leaving the Forum it really doesn't matter if I upset a few, as I never originally set out to make friends here. I just wanted to genuinely help other people, by helping myself and sharing the journey and experiences, now nearly completed.
can't you see, all those who complain and twaddle on about trivia and silly mistakes they have made, that JohnLegend has consistently done his best to help you, and encourage self belief and a winning attitude in roulette. He repeatedly, and with extraordinary patience, much more than I could summon, has encouraged and answered all manner of questions, and where appropriate, taken on board criticism or suggested improvements.
Method after method has been delivered and has exceeded all expectations. That is because so many methods published are fatally flawed. Through understanding of timing and reading the game, however intuitively done, JL has produced excellent and consistent results which those that complain cannot replicate.
Like all worthwhile ideas, the methods may have evolved and improved in time and experience, like all growing interactive entities. They like good wine, get better with time.
I personally know several people who have followed J/L's instructions and guidance, and have consistently done so well that in some cases they have re-paid all past debt, through respect for what JL has taught and also their own good sense and patience.
Now you are hanging breathlessly on the next 'great idea', and impatiently carping over delays.
Looking on from a distance that is all so silly Pand immature.
Look to yourselves, those that complain, and question your attitudes. Right before you now are the keys to great success and wonderful opportunities with the methods that JL and Scooby and others on this Forum have worked so hard to creatively produce. Then it is up to you to work to earn the right to success.
Above all it is attitude that may make the difference in your future fortunes.
Good Hunting
XXVV
XXVV, I've never seen anyone who can summarize and express their thoughts quite like you. Thankyou for your kind remarks. Yesterday was an off day for me and I made some hasty and seemingly final comments.
I love coming to this forum because overall it has more positive and openminded rouletters than any other forum I've landed on. Other forums are so negative you know theyre not even worth the time of day.
I do hope you will revisit this one from time to time. Your tireless desire to morph a method that shows potential into an even better incarnation is an inspiration to me and I know many others.
I know Scooby Doo holds you in high regard, and he is also an inspiration to many.
If we do not SEEK we shall NEVER FIND. Many thanks for your contributions XXVV...
JL i thought you were working on a new methode im verry curious ;)
Quote from: Post on Jul 04, 04:46 PM 2011
JL i thought you were working on a new methode I'm verry curious ;)
Hi Post, you ought to be, its very close to your heart. And I am a little surprised you didnt point it out to me already. It will be on here tomorrow evening my friend I think you will really like it. Because you already know its format well. ;D
RESULTS UPDATE FOR THE PATTERN BREAKER FOR 06/07/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 330
TOTAL GAMES WON 310
TOTAL GAMES LOST 20
STRIKERATE APPROX 15/1
BALANCE 424 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 38
LONGEST FIRST GAME/S WINNING STREAK 43
CURRENT WINNING STREAK 18
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO...
I now play ALL three even chances simultaneously after hearing of the success Gordonline has playing all three, and Red and Black are earning their keep. The one difference is its nearly ALWAYS red and black that qualifies first.
I play for 5x3 sessions a day. I am very happy with the results and improved turnover, time management. PATTERN BREAKER is a better method than PATTERN 4. I will make that clear to all. It is a truly random method. And now with 3 games in 60--90 minutes. Its time well invested. Double losses are non existent. And when you play it hit and run impressive winning streaks can and do develope. I haven't lost the first game of each even chance in the month of July. And take advantage of this by betting at level 2 stakes. When one of the even chances loses during a session I raise to level 2 for the next 2 games. And virtually recover the loss in the same session. Then push forward again.
Hi John Legend
At present exactly what system you are playing.Pattern breaker..or the one supposedly to be here on sunday.Or you switch system??? :-\
Seykid.
P.S Congratulations on your wins by the way.
Ive been running this system with all thre chances and and it working brilliantly so far. You get to place a bet much quicker this way but with the same great results :)
I think your on your way LuckyLucky...........
Chose a few of the great methods to play 5 times per day and I'll celebrate with you!
Can you do me a favor, while playing PATTERN BREAKER can you observe when the last two patterns are left...
Chose one pattern and see if it lands directly.....
If it does see when the second one lands..........
Quote from: seykid31 on Jul 08, 01:56 AM 2011
Hi John Legend
At present exactly what system you are playing.Pattern breaker..or the one supposedly to be here on sunday.Or you switch system??? :-\
Seykid.
P.S Congratulations on your wins by the way.
Hello Seykid31, I never just play one system. I have 5 that I draw on.
PATTERN BREAKER
DIVIDE AND CONQUER
PHASE 3
CODE 4
SUNDAY RELEASE
I have put PATTERN 4 on the backburner, as I dont believe its in the same class as PATTERN BREAKER. I have to admit I compromised the excellence of PATTERN BREAKER somewhat to pander to the hunger on this forum for a fast turnover method. If you want the best fast turnover methods on the forum. DIVIDE AND CONQUER for the newbies, and CODE 4 if you have deeper pockets. So I have to take the best of the best with me. And the five I have listed above are those.
Quote from: amk on Jul 08, 04:43 PM 2011
I think your on your way LuckyLucky...........
Chose a few of the great methods to play 5 times per day and I'll celebrate with you!
Can you do me a favor, while playing PATTERN BREAKER can you observe when the last two patterns are left...
Chose one pattern and see if it lands directly.....
If it does see when the second one lands..........
[/quote Hi AMK I advised Lucy to play all three even chances simultaneously, I am making some very nice notes and discoveries doing this. Today I lost a game, it was RED AND BLACK. The other two look amazing. But heres the thing I have not lost two games in the same session. Another thing the first qualifying E/C tends to do so between the 12th and 15th cycle.
And the most exciting discovery which we should all be keeping an eye on. In every session one of the EVEN CHANCES produces at least 8 winning cycles. This is something I am very interested in to get the most out of the 60--90 minutes invested in a session.
LLL----WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL
BBR----L
EEE----WWWWL
As you can see in the example above. Three very different results. One losing game one with 4 winning cycles and another with an impressive 15 winning cycles. This is a very common breakdown.
Still Red and Black losing brought to an end a 22 game winning streak for the first 3 games of the day. However HIGH AND LOW and ODD AND EVEN. Are still going. And you just never know with THE PATTERN BREAKER how long a streak can go. Remember in my 3 year history with this game I have had several 40 plus winning streaks. Including an astounding 112 in a row. For a 7 unit investment nothing can touch this. That is why I enthuse and continue to push this method. Its random working for you, in a pure random method.
Quote from: amk on Jul 08, 04:43 PM 2011
I think your on your way LuckyLucky...........
Chose a few of the great methods to play 5 times per day and I'll celebrate with you!
Can you do me a favor, while playing PATTERN BREAKER can you observe when the last two patterns are left...
Chose one pattern and see if it lands directly.....
If it does see when the second one lands..........
Will be happy to AMK!
Hi JL, yes im so glad I took your advice! Its amazing how this method keeps winning and winning.
This is an amazing forum, so many like minded people working togethr to forge some trully formidible systems! ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 08, 05:06 PM 2011
Hello Seykid31, I never just play one system. I have 5 that I draw on.
PATTERN BREAKER
DIVIDE AND CONQUER
PHASE 3
CODE 4
SUNDAY RELEASE
I have put PATTERN 4 on the backburner, as I don't believe its in the same class as PATTERN BREAKER. I have to admit I compromised the excellence of PATTERN BREAKER somewhat to pander to the hunger on this forum for a fast turnover method. If you want the best fast turnover methods on the forum. DIVIDE AND CONQUER for the newbies, and CODE 4 if you have deeper pockets. So I have to take the best of the best with me. And the five I have listed above are those.
John with what you have in your Arsenals,can you take Roulette by the Horns and make a living out of it,or you already doing it :) ?
Seykid
Quote from: seykid31 on Jul 09, 02:47 AM 2011
John with what you have in your Arsenals,can you take Roulette by the Horns and make a living out of it,or you already doing it :) ?
Seykid
This has been my main source of income since 2004 seykid31. This is what I say to all who have these ambitions to get rich quick with this game. ONE STEP AT A TIME. It took me four years to reach a level where I could sustain myself. I promise anyone who plays these methods properly and builds up to a 2000 unit Bankroll, you can achieve the same. Even if you just played PATTERN BREAKER. Once your UNIT VALUE is big enough, you only need 3 or 4 wins a day to be on par with a day job.
But you can never do this if you constantly switch from one method to another and never settle on a good few and build, build build. 2000 units is the goal. from there you can generate an average of at least 5% profit or 100 units per day 700--800 a week and so forth. Thats why tomorrow is the last time I push a method on here for a long time. From then on I will be updating the methods I endorse and helping others go forward only. And spending more time to reach my goals for next spring.
Good on you JL! I dont see how this method on Sunday can surpass your previous offerings, but im looking forward to it!
Ok Ive started playing this system regularly and here are my scores on the doors, using R/B E/O and H/L, so ending session after 3 wins:
Total games: 8
Games Won 8
Games lost: 0
Wins on first bet: 15
Wins on second bet: 8
Wins on third bet: 1
Balance 48+
Quote from: amk on Jul 08, 04:43 PM 2011
I think your on your way LuckyLucky...........
Chose a few of the great methods to play 5 times per day and I'll celebrate with you!
Can you do me a favor, while playing PATTERN BREAKER can you observe when the last two patterns are left...
Chose one pattern and see if it lands directly.....
If it does see when the second one lands..........
Hi AMK
Im finding when there is two patterns left, it can take ages to come up, not really sure how we can utilise this?
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jul 09, 12:17 PM 2011
Hi AMK
I'm finding when there is two patterns left, it can take ages to come up, not really sure how we can utilise this?
The seventh pattern is deceptive. Trying to chase it down can prove negative. I would suggest only attempting to nail the third step of a potential 7th pattern beyond 16 CYCLES, 48 spins. Otherwise you run the risk of frittering away hard earned profits.
The golden nugget is opposing that 8th pattern for ONE GAME it really is. You are forcing random to present you with the complete set of 8 possible combinations on the spot. And the good news is IT CANNOT do it often enough to show you negative figures. Its random working for you. GO WITH THE FLOW...
Hello JohnLegend and LuckyLucky,
I fully agree with you JL....
Since you are now playing all 3 EC's it might be an idea to play PATTERN BREAKER for dozens/columns at the same time......
Example: There are 9 patterns of dozens/columns playing 2 wide.....
1A
1B
1C
2A
2B
2C
3A
3B
3C
Odds are 9/1, units 8....
This makes it basically another EC to be played....
Quote from: amk on Jul 09, 01:51 PM 2011
Hello JohnLegend and LuckyLucky,
I fully agree with you JL....
Since you are now playing all 3 ECs it might be an idea to play PATTERN BREAKER for dozens/columns at the same time......
Example: There are 9 patterns of dozens/columns playing 2 wide.....
1A
1B
1C
2A
2B
2C
3A
3B
3C
Odds are 9/1, units 8....
This makes it basically another EC to be played....
that's a better idea AMk. The thing is I play two or three methods at the same time anyhow. Time management is important but never at the expense of STRIKERATE.
Those demons in nearly every players head that say "hurry up and get rich quick" must be fought back constantly.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 09, 02:01 PM 2011
that's a better idea AMk. The thing is I play two or three methods at the same time anyhow. Time management is important but never at the expense of STRIKERATE.
Those demons in nearly every players head thst say "hurry up and get rich quick" must be fought back constantly.
JL,
Can you give a "preview" of your new method you will be posting tomorrow. Any hints if it's an even chance bet, or dozens, streets?
Hello JohnLegend,
I see your point....
I am always trying to make playing more efficient......
After a good 7 months of roulette research I feel I can say that the best methods have been found....
I will delve a little deeper into ZeroBlues methods and ofcourse your new release :)
@JL,
could you pls clarify what constitutes a double loss?! an example would do....
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Jul 10, 10:53 AM 2011
@JL,
could you please clarify what constitutes a double loss?! an example would do....
vundarosa
Its simply two losing games in a row Vundarosa. I have been playing All the even chances together. And I have never lost more than 1 gamein a session. Although I now see RED and BLACK as the weakest E/C for certain. It loses more than the other two.
:question:
Hi, I'm Igor, and I'm new here, but I have been reading these topics for some time. I have a question for JL. First, great methods you have and thank you for sharing, I will be glad to post my results.
But something has crossed my mind, and I don't know if this is the right place to ask (so please remove or redirect me, Admin). If you know what Reverse method is, and I am sure that you do (when you bet 1 unit on EC then Dozen, then Line 3x, then street3x...) which basicly mean that you risk one unit for some tome without progression. Could that kind of play (to a certain point or modified) be implemented into some sort of matrix play? You understand matrix systems much better than me so maybe you could get a use of this. I was thinking, could we spare us from progression while playing some sort of matrix. I don't know how, but it's an idea for thinking...
If it's a stupid idea, please don't throw rocks on me, I'm new here... ::)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 10, 12:36 PM 2011
Its simply two losing games in a row Vundarosa. I have been playing All the even chances together. And I have never lost more than 1 gamein a session. Although I now see RED and BLACK as the weakest E/C for certain. It loses more than the other two.
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For 330 games played, that's phenomenal. Do you have any recovery strategy after the loss?
vundarosa
JohnLegend,
If RED and BLACK performs the weakest of all 3 EC's why not replace it with PATTERN BREAKER for dozens/columns 2 wide? I feel they will perform better than R/B.....
Quote from: vundarosa on Jul 10, 01:13 PM 2011
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For 330 games played, that's phenomenal. Do you have any recovery strategy after the loss?
vundarosa
I increase to level two stakes Vundarosa for ONE GAME (level 2)---3--6--12
The classic mistake made by many a player is to go into panic mode after a loss. They instinctively think they have to recover the WHOLE LOSS immediately. NO NEED, You already know that the strikerate of PATTERN BREAKER for HIGH LOW AND ODD EVEN. Is good enough to profit at a one LEVEL PROGRESSION.
All you are doing is pulling yourself back on track a little faster. Always think long term with this and everyother method. don't think in terms of days, think in terms of weeks months.
Hi,
I know it has been said a hundred times, but I am still not sure: do we play against eight pattern or for eight pattern (breaker or filler).
Since I am new and just want to start testing live wheel the best method that JL recommends. He said that it has better results when you play for the pattern to happen, and now in the latest posts I can see you all talking against again so I am not sure.
Thanks!
Quote from: Igorr on Jul 11, 01:39 AM 2011
Hi,
I know it has been said a hundred times, but I am still not sure: do we play against eight pattern or for eight pattern (breaker or filler).
Since I am new and just want to start testing live wheel the best method that JL recommends. He said that it has better results when you play for the pattern to happen, and now in the latest posts I can see you all talking against again so I am not sure.
Thanks!
We play against it for one game. Igorr
PATTERN BREAKER RESULTS UPDATE FOR 11/07/11
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 380
TOTAL GAMES WON 357
TOTAL GAMES LOST 23
STRIKERATE APPROX 15/1
BALANCE 512 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 38
LONGEST FIRST GAME WINNING STREAK 43
CURRENT WINNING STREAK 22
CURRENT LONGEST EVEN CHANCE STREAK 25 (ODD EVEN)
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO
I have settled on HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN. For this method played simultaneously. ODD EVEN has been out performing HIGH LOW of late. And has a current winning streak of 25 games.
I just wanted to place a post since this GREAT method has not seen one in sometime.....
PATTERN BREAKER..... amazing concept by Johnlegend.........
Hi John & everyone
I have just joined this forum so please treat me gently :-[ ...I have played roulette for many years and bought so many systems, most are garbage, some win to begin with but like most of us searching the long term method is very difficult to find.
I have read nearly all this thread about PB and I have to say it looks so impressive, all of this experience found in one place and a method that seems to be holding up, so many positive comments on one method by so many experienced people. I want to thank you all as this has really opened my eyes.
I think I understand the method but just want to clarify one thing as I am sure I have read the opposite somewhere on this thread. Do we bet against the missing pattern or the same as the missing pattern ?
Sorry but having read all these posts, I am tired and maybe not thinking straight so if you have all answered and understood I'm sorry for disturbing the thread.
So, for example, if the missing pattern (the time we place our bet) is LHH, do we bet on HLL or LHH ?
Many thanks in anticipation
Kind regards
Cofton
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 04, 06:23 PM 2011
Hi Halba, the concept is quite simple.
1, THERE ARE 8 POSSIBLE 3 SPIN PATTERNS FOR HIGH AND LOW AS FOLLOWS
H H H
L L L
H L H
L H L
H L L
L H H
H H L
L L H
2, When you begin playing a game you record your results like this in the order they form. If there is a pattern with a zero we count it under our 8 regular patterns. If one of our regular 8 unique patterns is formed MORE THAN ONCE in the timeframe of a game we number it accordingly. Example of a game I played today below.
H L H---1---4---10---12
L H H---2
L L L---3---13---14
H H H---5---11
H L L---6---8
L L H---7---9
L H L---15--------PATTERN 7 TRIGGER TO BET AGAINST PATTERN 8 (H H L)
H L L---16--------WIN BET 2
3, We use a three step progression similar to PATTERN 4 (1,2,4) The difference Halba1 is I will play Pattern breaker consecutively.
I hope that helps you grasp the concept I will update my recent results for this method tomorrow its long overdue. I typically play PATTERN BREAKER after PATTERN 4 using the same spins from the PATTERN 4 GAME only continuing on until I have ONE PATTERN LEFT.
Quote from: Cofton on Jul 21, 06:00 PM 2011
Hi John & everyone
I have just joined this forum so please treat me gently :-[ ...I have played roulette for many years and bought so many systems, most are garbage, some win to begin with but like most of us searching the long term method is very difficult to find.
I have read nearly all this thread about PB and I have to say it looks so impressive, all of this experience found in one place and a method that seems to be holding up, so many positive comments on one method by so many experienced people. I want to thank you all as this has really opened my eyes.
I think I understand the method but just want to clarify one thing as I am sure I have read the opposite somewhere on this thread. Do we bet against the missing pattern or the same as the missing pattern ?
Sorry but having read all these posts, I am tired and maybe not thinking straight so if you have all answered and understood I'm sorry for disturbing the thread.
So, for example, if the missing pattern (the time we place our bet) is LHH, do we bet on HLL or LHH ?
Many thanks in anticipation
Kind regards
Cofton
Hello Cofton, we aim to bet AGAINST the final pattern for ONE WIN. Although it may take more than ten cycles to bring home that 8th pattern. One win is the way. I will update this method now. To show you my latest results. Welcome to the best Roulette forum on the planet by the way....
PATTERN BREAKER RESULTS UPDATE 22/07/11
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 480
TOTAL GAMES WON 451
TOTAL GAMES LOST 29
STRIKERATE APPROX 15/1
BALANCE 640 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 38
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO
I have settled on playing HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN simultaneously for this method for 5 times 2 sessions a day. And that is the best way I think to apply the method. It will be very unlightly you will lose both games in the SAME SESSION. That is the reason for playing them simultaneously. This is a very consistent method.
Thank you John, I am looking forward to learning from you guys. Used to visit another forum years ago(GG) but it got a bit 'clicky and didn't really learn much. This place feels right :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 22, 12:18 PM 2011
Hello Cofton, we aim to bet AGAINST the final pattern for ONE WIN. Although it may take more than ten cycles to bring home that 8th pattern. One win is the way. I will update this method now. To show you my latest results. Welcome to the best Roulette forum on the planet by the way....
Hello Cofton,
Welcome to the forum.
You are very lucky to have found this forum, your roulette journey has only really just begun...........
Research DIVIDE & CONQUER, CODE 4, MATRIX SLIDE a little, just to name a few......
Results update for PATTERN BREAKER for 08/08/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 650
TOTAL GAMES WON 607
TOTAL GAMES LOST 43
STRIKERATE APPROX 14/1
BALANCE 740 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 38
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO.
The consistency of this method is the reason I have stayed with it. The Strikerate dropped slightly since the last update. But it remains solid...
VERTICAL PATTERN BREAKER
HLL H L L
LLH L L H = three patterns............
LLH L L H
LHH
HLH
HHH
This could be played at the same time as PATTERN BREAKER.........
Quote from: amk on Aug 19, 06:54 PM 2011
VERTICAL PATTERN BREAKER
HLL H L L
LLH L L H = three patterns............
LLH L L H
LHH
HLH
HHH
This could be played at the same time as PATTERN BREAKER.........
Nice thinking AMK. Im back full systems update tomorrow. I bring great news about the new methods I have been testing.
Hope you"ll test it JohnLegend..............
I think it challenges random a bit more due to spins having to land between the pattern forming......
Any result updates yet for PATTERN BREAKER yet JohnLegend............
I do have to say that out of all the methods I like PATTERN BREAKER the most..........
Yes, the stats don't compare to some other methods however you can begin with a higher progression if you have a descent BR...........
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 28/08/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 850
TOTAL GAMES WON 791
TOTAL GAMES LOST 59
STRIKERATE APPROX 13/1
BALANCE 980 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO
Hi AMK, yes it cannot compare to CODE 4 or THE REVERSE SLIDE for strikerate. But in terms of risk and almost instant recovery it more than earns its keep.The overall Strikerate has dropped off a little over the last 200 games. Now at 13/1 But lets not forget. 7/1 is break even point. And with the multi level staking upon losing a game its a difinitive WINNER...
how do we play this new pattern breaker john.cheers :)
Sorry JohnLegend,
Could you describe your multi level progression after a loss, thanks...............
Hello guys
At wich casinos do you play most of the time with low table limits?
Quote from: sarif on Aug 30, 11:49 AM 2011
how do we play this new pattern breaker john.cheers :)
Its not new Sarif iits the same version ive been playing for the last 3.5 years. You have to stay with a good method long enough to learn its strengths and consistency.
The problem with most people is as soon as a method loses a few times. They move onto the next one that comes along. The human mind is and shall remain, the weak link in the chain.
When it comes to beating this game. Pattern breaker has two strong points. A, played hit and run is surpasses its paper odds. Enough to be profitable. B, double losses are scarce.
This means even when you lose recovery is swift. I employ a three level staking system to take advantage of this. At base minumum you will be playing 1,2,4
At level two 3.6,12 At level three 12,24.48
You can adjust risk to suit your pocket. The thinking is simple. Lets say you play all three even chances at the same time. With the objective of obtaining ONE WIN.
If for example HI LO is your first qualifier. And it wins. You void the other two even chances. If it loses you play the next one.If that loses you play the next one. STAKING to recover and win one unit.
GLC spoke of risking 842 units on a method that may have a strikerate of 1000/1.
Ive just explained how to turn PATTERN BREAKER INTO A HOLY GRAIL. The chances are you will grow old and the rest. Before you lose all three even chances in the same session. The cost 1+2+4+8+16+32+64+128+256=611 units risk.
As I said before you can turn several methods into virtual grails. But theres a price that the average Joe isnt prepared to pay, thats all.
hi john
thanks you for all your posts and greats strategies u provide here for us.
just i have one question...
when you bet against 8th pattern missing, and no matter if you ll win or lose,
after your 3 first bets (1 2 4),
1)do you start immediatly new session and start record new patterns?
thanks you
Quote from: Adsada on Sep 03, 04:12 AM 2011
hi john
thanks you for all your posts and greats strategies u provide here for us.
just i have one question...
when you bet against 8th pattern missing, and no matter if you ll win or lose,
after your 3 first bets (1 2 4),
1)do you start immediatly new session and start record new patterns?
thanks you
I used to play it that way Absada. Now what I recommend is you play both HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN simultaneously. If the the first one loses you increase your stakes to 4,8,16 for the second game. And you will almost certainly recover 4 7ths of your loss immediately. By doing this even if you only matched the paper odds of the method (7/1) longterm. You still have a winning method. PATTERN BREAKER has incredible consistency. I have never lost two games in a row in 3.5 years. That is the methods strongest point.
I would argue that supreme MONEY MANAGEMENT is the most important factor to being successful with this game. But without a consistent method and solid self discipline, it is of little use. All three tenets of success must be in place. Pattern Breaker offers the opputurnity to really exploit money management. With its small buy in and incredible consistency for losing singular games. Played HIT AND RUN. You have one heck of a method.
aha thanks you for your answer fast and i understand.
i know red and black are different than H L and O E but if you use 3 levels (1 2 4 - 3 6 12 - 12 24 48)
maybe will be good play simultaneously all 3 even chance.
if first lose, you increase bets for second game and if second game lose, you increase your bet for last game.
QuoteI have never lost two games in a row in 3.5 years
You know, you make statements like this all the time, only a year ago you were playing the zone, thats all you were playing, as you never mentioned any of these matrix ideas back then, you also stated you had been playing the zone for many years, people need to read between the lines with you, newbies don't know your history on the forums, many have started losing recently, what do you say to them? like stuart for example, he's playing LIVE wheel and it collapsed like a cheap garden chair, I noticed you didn't respond to him, wonder why.
Quotei know red and black are different than H L and O E
Mate, how did you work that out?
Quote from: superman on Sep 03, 04:46 AM 2011
You know, you make statements like this all the time, only a year ago you were playing the zone, that's all you were playing, as you never mentioned any of these matrix ideas back then, you also stated you had been playing the zone for many years, people need to read between the lines with you, newbies don't know your history on the forums, many have started losing recently, what do you say to them? like stuart for example, he's playing LIVE wheel and it collapsed like a cheap garden chair, I noticed you didn't respond to him, wonder why.
Pattern Breaker isnt a Matrix idea Superman. I am under no obligation to reveal all that I do until I am ready to do so. I responded to him in general. I can ONLY go with what I see. I saw a stealth today Superman. 40 spins after my session was over. So guess what I know it can happen. You can bust open the miller lite now. But I don't think you are capable of understanding this game can be beaten overall. When you apply the three tenets of success properly.
Everything you do has to have maths logic to back you up. I play HIT AND RUN for a reason. It WORKS. Especially effective when the paper odds are LARGER. You are cutting out the possibility of running into a losing game with far greater odds in your favour. Some people can't win no matter what you give them Superman. You must know this by now yourself. If for example I said (fact) that I have only seen one VERTICAL 8 for the dozens in over 2000 vertical QUADS recorded. All of a sudden someone will have them popping up like daisies. I tell it as I see it. What you do with that information is up to you. I say paper test till you are happy with it yourself. I don't say go out and take out a loan and play it straight away.
Regarding the Zone I played it from 2001 up until I realized the MATRIX CONCEPT was better. I am not precious over my methods Superman. CODE 4 isnt mine. NEITHER is THE REVERSE SLIDE. And DIVIDE AND CONQUER TOO. Keep that in mind. Before you try and tar and feather me as some charlatan out to rip people off. How I am supposed to be doing that I will never know. You want your little Bot world to remain in tact where a method goes in and gets ripped to threads. And you can sleep well at night knowing all you believe in is safe. So you don't find yourself questioning your own intelligence. ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE BUB. And that's my role here. To make that known.
I have a question.
I don't really have a lot of money to play with so I was wondering instead of 2,4,8 if I could use 1,2,4 step progression?
I feel like because this doesn't lose twice in a row it might be the best system for me to play.
Thanks!
Anthony,
How do you know it doesn't lose twice in a row? Make sure you do your own research, what has worked for JL might not work for you.
It WILL lose twice in a row, the only thing you don't know is when. If you're willing to take that risk, fine, but please don't play with money you can't afford to lose on the strength of what JL has said.
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 05, 03:24 AM 2011
Anthony,
How do you know it doesn't lose twice in a row? Make sure you do your own research, what has worked for JL might not work for you.
It WILL lose twice in a row, the only thing you don't know is when. If you're willing to take that risk, fine, but please don't play with money you can't afford to lose on the strength of what JL has said.
Hello Bayes
U sound like there is a conspiracy here 2 mislead some newbies. I think that everybody here has enough brains 2 come 2 their own conclusions. Everything can lose twice in row of course. Nobody claims the opposite here. But it might be when u r a way ahead.
Do u have something better here. Share with us plz. About the math - f u play system with chance of losing lets say once in 81 chances u can go easily 500 or more consecutive wins.
Regards
QuoteU sound like there is a conspiracy here 2 mislead some newbies.
No, I'm not saying that there's a conspiracy or that anyone is trying to
deliberately mislead newbies.
QuoteI think that everybody here has enough brains 2 come 2 their own conclusions. Everything can lose twice in row of course. Nobody claims the opposite here
Um.. I think someone just did. Anthony said: "because this doesn't lose twice in a row..."
QuoteBut it might be when u r a way ahead.
It might, or it might lose twice consecutively. Maybe you've forgotten what it's like to be a newbie, but you tend to believe some things which looking back seem ridiculous after the benefit of some experience and knowledge.
QuoteDo You have something better here. Share with us plz.
So I'm not allowed to post a cautionary comment unless I have something better? I've contributed enough to this forum and I'm under no obligation to post something "better". I don't believe any simple systems can win long term. JL's "solution" to this is hit & run, which is a fallacy.
QuoteAbout the math - f u play system with chance of losing lets say once in 81 chances You can go easily 500 or more consecutive wins.
Maybe so, but where did Anthony get the idea that this particular system can't lose twice in a row?
Listen, it's not my place to be some kind of nanny - people should be responsible for their own actions and make their own mistakes, and that's really the best way to learn, but I'm not going to ignore a claim which is so obviously wrong.
Hello Bayes
D problem here is that u think that there r no "simple" systems or methods that r successful in d long term.
How do u know that?. Did u test them all? So gamblers fallacy does not apply 2 whatever u r using?
I dont want 2 brag but im doing ok so far with these simple methods n i dont play any systems posted here recently with exception of CODE 4. N im not a newbie here maybe except in number of posts. ;D
N i dont want u 2 post anything because im ok with my stuff. I just hate empty criticism 4 d sake of it.
U just pick up on 1 negative comment n ride on it.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 05, 07:36 AM 2011
Hello Bayes
D problem here is that u think that there r no "simple" systems or methods that r successful in d long term.
How do You know that?. Did u test them all? So gamblers fallacy does not apply 2 whatever u r using?
I don't want 2 brag but I'm doing ok so far with these simple methods n i don't play any systems posted here recently with exception of CODE 4. N I'm not a newbie here maybe except in number of posts. ;D
N i don't want u 2 post anything because I'm ok with my stuff. I just hate empty criticism 4 d sake of it.
U just pick up on 1 negative comment n ride on it.
Regards
Well said Robeenhutt. To Anthony. I don't claim PATTERN BREAKER *WILL NEVER LOSE TWICE*. I stated I've never lost twice in the 3.5 years I've played it. Now the way I play it with BOTH HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN SIMULTANEOUSLY.
You are very unlikely to lose both in the same session. Keep in mind I play like this five times a day. Bayes is right to offer a cautionary word.
And as a Newbie you need to invest a lot of time in testing a method on paper before you risk your money. Robeenhutt is also right in saying LONGTERM you will profit from these methods. But take it slow to begin with. Until you have an understanding of why it works.
Once you reach a certain level with any of these methods, you are beyond negative figures. But this takes time. Hit and run is no fallacy particularly on an 80/1 method. Bayes couldnt argue that point with any solid grounds. When playing a method such as CODE 4, 2 by 2 has given me a startling strikerate of now 1010/1. But would be at least 1000/11 if I had played drawn out sessions.
The value of hit and run has shown itself right there. Without question its superior to continuos play.
Thank you for Bayes and JohnLegend for both or your responses!
I agree there is risk in everything you do. Nothing in life is certain. But ultimately it's the people who take chances who succeed. If you just sit around waiting for something to happen you will still be in the same place you were when you started.
From what I have read on this forum even before becoming a member I believe this is one of the best systems to play. I do plan on doing ALOT more testing just to be comfortable with this system before I play it.
JohnLegend you say you play Hi-Lo/Odd Even at the same time? How does that work? Do you record a spin and if it's lets say 9 you will mark down that spin in one column as Lo and in another column as Odd? Please tell me if that's correct.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 05, 07:36 AM 2011
D problem here is that u think that there r no "simple" systems or methods that r successful in d long term.
How do You know that?. Did u test them all? So gamblers fallacy does not apply 2 whatever u r using?
That's not a problem, just don't use simple systems. :)
I didn't say I know it, I said I believe it, based on the fact that none of the systems I've tested over the years hold up. It's also common sense; the only constant and "predictable" thing about random outcomes is that they're continually changing, if your method isn't flexible or can't change with random (which is what simple systems don't do), then how can you expect it to keep up? you're demanding that outcomes conform to your rigid expectations. That can't work.
And no, the gambler's fallacy doesn't apply to the way I play.
QuoteN i don't want u 2 post anything because I'm ok with my stuff. I just hate empty criticism 4 d sake of it.
Did I miss something? where is the empty criticism? all I did was point out to Anthony that PATTERN BREAKER can lose twice in a row, even John admits that.
QuoteU just pick up on 1 negative comment n ride on it.
Again, I don't know what bought this on, which negative comment are you talking about?
by the way John, when you have time, please could you respond to my request in this (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6964.0) thread? thanks.
Quote@ John,
When testing systems, I assume you don't play live but use recorded spins. If so, where do you get the spins and how do you simulate the Hit & Run strategy?
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 06, 02:51 AM 2011
And no, the gambler's fallacy doesn't apply to the way I play.
that's interesting. i thought gamblers fallacy was evident in all systems because we are always 'expecting' something to happen. if it isn't present that would mean you would win on your first bet all the time wouldn't it?
Its because he uses excellent Maths and great MM frost.
Totally different (though sometimes very laborious) game!
Quote from: frost on Sep 06, 03:48 AM 2011
that's interesting. i thought gamblers fallacy was evident in all systems because we are always 'expecting' something to happen. if it isn't present that would mean you would win on your first bet all the time wouldn't it?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 06, 03:57 AM 2011
Its because he uses excellent Maths and great MM frost.
Totally different (though sometimes very laborious) game!
Hello everybody
I guess Bayes applies Bayes theorem 2 roulette n makes a killing. Im pretty good @ mathematics 2 so i will have 2 research this more because we all know now that all "simple" methods suck n d way 2 beat roulette is 2 have PhD in mathematics n MBA - massive bank account. ;D
N he even does not worry about GF ;D
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 06, 07:17 AM 2011
Hello everybody
I guess..............
N he even does not worry about GF ;D
Regards
I take GF to mean Girl Friend!! LoL ;D
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 06, 07:42 AM 2011
I take GF to mean Girl Friend!! LoL ;D
Hello
Lets not get 2 personal here ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 06, 07:17 AM 2011
Hello everybody
I guess Bayes applies Bayes theorem 2 roulette n makes a killing. I'm pretty good @ mathematics 2 so i will have 2 research this more because we all know now that all "simple" methods suck n d way 2 beat roulette is 2 have PhD in mathematics n MBA - massive bank account. ;D
N he even does not worry about GF ;D
Regards
If Bayes has found a way to beat roulette without using Gamblers Fallacy then "Good Luck To Him" I say.
Quote from: Blood Angel on Sep 06, 07:49 AM 2011
If Bayes has found a way to beat roulette without using Gamblers Fallacy then "Good Luck To Him" I say.
Hello Blood Angel
I can tell he is onto something big here ;D
Regards
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 06, 07:42 AM 2011
I take GF to mean Girl Friend!! LoL ;D
Well, a girlfriend IS due. :-X
Why should the gambler's fallacy get all the credit? there are plenty of other fallacies to go around.
Plenty of systems don't use GF, what about betting the same pattern over and over? or the same as the last colour?
They don't work, but they don't involve GF.
I get the feeling JL is avoiding answering my questions about how he does his testing... ;)
Difference between GF and regression to the mean (link:://:.financialwebring.org/gummy-stuff/coin-tossing.htm). One "works", the other doesn't.
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 06, 08:16 AM 2011
Difference between GF and regression to the mean (link:://:.financialwebring.org/gummy-stuff/coin-tossing.htm). One "works", the other doesn't.
Hello Bayes
Nothing new here. Lots of systems based on it failed. I play something similar 2 that but im
also open minded about other "simpler" systems or methods just because u never know ;D
Never 2 late 2 learn something.
Regards
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 06, 08:13 AM 2011
I get the feeling JL is avoiding answering my questions about how he does his testing... ;)
bayes how do you do yours im interested?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 06, 08:42 AM 2011
Nothing new here. Lots of systems based on it failed.
The devil is in the detail. It's not the be all and end all, but it's a principle which you shouldn't ignore IMO.
You might as well say that lots of systems using progressions failed, therefore progressions are useless. You can't throw out a principle just because it's not new, and because something is "new" or novel doesn't mean it's going to work either.
Quote from: warrior on Sep 06, 08:46 AM 2011
bayes how do you do yours I'm interested?
I used to write simulations to test systems, but not often any more, it's quicker to use bayes' theorem (hypothesis testing).
I write code to find statistics which are too hard to calculate manually.
Quote from: Anthony on Sep 05, 11:30 AM 2011
Thank you for Bayes and JohnLegend for both or your responses!
I agree there is risk in everything you do. Nothing in life is certain. But ultimately it's the people who take chances who succeed. If you just sit around waiting for something to happen you will still be in the same place you were when you started.
From what I have read on this forum even before becoming a member I believe this is one of the best systems to play. I do plan on doing a lot more testing just to be comfortable with this system before I play it.
JohnLegend you say you play Hi-Lo/Odd Even at the same time? How does that work? Do you record a spin and if it's lets say 9 you will mark down that spin in one column as Lo and in another column as Odd? Please tell me if that's correct.
Hi Anthony excellent post by the way, I am totaly in agreement about the sitting around passage. What you do Anthony is have all 8 possible patterns (barring the ZERO) for both HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN. Written side by side example.
HHH--------OOO
LLL---------EEE
HLH--------OEO--ETC,ETC
As the spins come out you cross them out. Eventually you will have one pattern left. And you will also have one of the even chances QUALIFY before the other. This is your game 1 of the session. You proceed to bet AGAINST that 8th pattern. Should you lose. You now wait for the second even chance to qualify. And bet against the 8th pattern. But you use 4,8,16 instead of 1,2,4. You are highly likely to win this game. This recovering 4 sevenths of the loss from game 1. By playing in this fashion. Even if you only won 6 games out of every 7 you played. You will secure a longterm PROFIT. Which afterall is the name of the game.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 10, 03:09 AM 2011
As the spins come out you cross them out. Eventually you will have one pattern left. And you will also have one of the even chances QUALIFY before the other. This is your game 1 of the session. You proceed to bet AGAINST that 8th pattern. Should you lose. You now wait for the second even chance to qualify. And bet against the 8th pattern. But you use 4,8,16 instead of 1,2,4. You are highly likely to win this game. This recovering 4 sevenths of the loss from game 1. By playing in this fashion. Even if you only won 6 games out of every 7 you played. You will secure a longterm PROFIT. Which afterall is the name of the game.
Hi John,
Clarification please â€"
When you eventually get to the last pattern, do you bet
AGAINST that pattern or
FOR that pattern?
I ask this because I note the following:
(1) At the start of this thread it was bet AGAINST the pattern
(2) Half way through the thread it changed to bet FOR the pattern
(3) Now its bet AGAINST the pattern
Have you reverted back to betting AGAINST the pattern and can you explain why that changed?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 10, 03:09 AM 2011
Hi Anthony excellent post by the way, I am totaly in agreement about the sitting around passage. What you do Anthony is have all 8 possible patterns (barring the ZERO) for both HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN. Written side by side example.
HHH--------OOO
LLL---------EEE
HLH--------OEO--ETC,ETC
As the spins come out you cross them out. Eventually you will have one pattern left. And you will also have one of the even chances QUALIFY before the other. This is your game 1 of the session. You proceed to bet AGAINST that 8th pattern. Should you lose. You now wait for the second even chance to qualify. And bet against the 8th pattern. But you use 4,8,16 instead of 1,2,4. You are highly likely to win this game. This recovering 4 sevenths of the loss from game 1. By playing in this fashion. Even if you only won 6 games out of every 7 you played. You will secure a longterm PROFIT. Which afterall is the name of the game.
Hi John,
After a loss on HL and you have recovered 4 units on OE, do you go back to HL in the next game? Or do you continue with OE until a loss and only then do you go back to HL? Thanks.
Quote from: seb coe on Sep 10, 10:29 PM 2011
Hi John,
After a loss on HL and you have recovered 4 units on OE, do you go back to HL in the next game? Or do you continue with OE until a loss and only then do you go back to HL? Thanks.
Hi John,
After reading your post a second time, I now understand the way you are playing. Please ignore my questions. :thumbsup: I suppose you are playing 2 games a session. Now what happens if you win the first game of the session but lose on the second.
Seb
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Sep 10, 08:08 PM 2011
Hi John,
Clarification please â€"
When you eventually get to the last pattern, do you bet AGAINST that pattern or FOR that pattern?
I ask this because I note the following:
(1) At the start of this thread it was bet AGAINST the pattern
(2) Half way through the thread it changed to bet FOR the pattern
(3) Now its bet AGAINST the pattern
Have you reverted back to betting AGAINST the pattern and can you explain why that changed?
We experimented with both ways, and found there isnt much difference. So the original play method was implemented.
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 06, 08:13 AM 2011
I get the feeling JL is avoiding answering my questions about how he does his testing... ;)
Yep me too ...
Quote from: Blood Angel on Sep 11, 10:27 AM 2011
Yep me too ...
Blood me too? I have anwsered Bayes in a private PM. Go check with him.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 11, 10:29 AM 2011
Blood me too? I have anwsered Bayes in a private PM. Go check with him.
That's good. I'll look forward to the outcome.
JohnLegend,
What is your shortest winning streak for the first game of the day?................
Also, what is the shortest amount of wins you have seen after your second progression level won?.....
Thanks for your time JohnLegend................
Quote from: amk on Sep 11, 08:21 PM 2011
JohnLegend,
What is your shortest winning streak for the first game of the day?................
Also, what is the shortest amount of wins you have seen after your second progression level won?.....
Thanks for your time JohnLegend................
Hi Amk, there are varying degrees of winning streak. My shortest winning streak for the first game of the day has been 4. My longest 35. The same with streaks after a loss.They can be anything from 1 meaning a loss immediately after my recovery win. Or the longest I have on record is 30 wins after a recovery win,,making a total winning streak of 31. And it all boils down to an average strikerate hovering between 11/1 and 15/1. I have an update coming soon AMK. As I close in on my 1000th game. Since I started reporting on the forum. I've been catching more losses recently. BUT, I'm still well over break even point.
And with the super consistency of no double losses to date. EVEN if I only achieved a strikrate of 5/1. I would still MAKE A PROFIT. That is what ALL must take onboard. So good and consistent is that recovery game. That even if I fall below the paper odds of 7/1 I can profit.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 10, 03:09 AM 2011
Written side by side example.
HHH--------OOO
LLL---------EEE
HLH--------OEO--ETC,ETC
As the spins come out you cross them out. Eventually you will have one pattern left. And you will also have one of the even chances QUALIFY before the other. This is your game 1 of the session. You proceed to bet AGAINST that 8th pattern.
Hi John,
In my testing sometimes I have had both OE + HL qualify at the same time.
How do you play this scenario?
Do you void that data and start again?
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Sep 15, 06:45 AM 2011
Hi John,
In my testing sometimes I have had both OE + HL qualify at the same time.
How do you play this scenario?
Do you void that data and start again?
I've never had that Bettor I have had one qualify 2 spins after the other. But the first one had won. So I had no need to increase on the second. I would void such an incident. As it would itself void the possiblitiy of playing a recovery game if one lost.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 15/09/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1,030
TOTAL GAMES WON 958
TOTAL GAMES LOST 72
STRIKERATE APPROX 13/1
BALANCE 1,210 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO
I have reached a milestone since I began reporting my results on this forum. Now over the 1000 game barrier. The strikerate again has dropped off slightly. But remains well above the paper odds of 7/1. I caught 13 losses over the last 180 games. The recovery game remains at a 100% record. I have no doubt I will suffer a double loss one day. But its going to be of little significance, in the overall picture. Even if it happenned once every 100 games it wouldnt put me in negative figures. And I haven't ever had one in over a 1000. Basically this method works. And will remain firmly in my arsenal of roulette killers. Along with the others that I now use.
Next update at 1,200 games played...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 05:41 PM 2011
Force, betting against the pattern was never near a grail. It was a good method with a small buy in and potential for long winning streaks BUT NOT PLAYING CONSECUTIVELY.
Now if what I'm thinking and what the results are showing. YOU CAN BET ALL DAY and still make profit.
Because as Zig pointed out, even when you win. There is virtually always at least one match to the last pattern. AND OF COURSE FULL MATCHES. What I know for sure is FULL NON MATCHES HAPPEN LESS THAN FULL MATCHES. that's where the method has just moved up bigtime.
I have some thoughts of PB. And know how use it continuously, not just once in 15-20 spins. Besides, technically it doesnt matter how to bet the last trio...same or opposite.
Regards.
Real wheel Or RNG RupreKkht?
cheers
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 11, 08:27 AM 2011
Yes Jon, you start from the beginning or end session
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I wanted to share an alternative even chance tactic
A. 1st Dozen, 25-30
B. 2nd Dozen, 31-36
These two letters are European wheel neighbor friendly
AAA BBB
AAB BBA
ABB BAA
ABA BAB
Fantastic! I used to utilize this scheme of game field also. I called it alternative field. I checked it with PB by the way. Doesnt work...so far.
Greetings.
Hello everybody!
I want to make a contribution in the process. I use PB as follows.
1- wait for matrix being filled, except last trio.
2- bet FOR this empty trio constantly until it will come. At the same time I give a consecutive number to every trio which comes.
3- when uncovered trio comes - I begin to bet on trio with the lowest number, i.e. that one which haven't come for a longest time.
4- these scheme allows me not to break a process and leave the table for 30 mins after each win.
Hope, it wasn't too complicated...
All the best!
Quote from: Ruprekht on Sep 20, 11:00 AM 2011
Hello everybody!
I want to make a contribution in the process. I use PB as follows.
1- wait for matrix being filled, except last trio.
2- bet FOR this empty trio constantly until it will come. At the same time I give a consecutive number to every trio which comes.
3- when uncovered trio comes - I begin to bet on trio with the lowest number, i.e. that one which haven't come for a longest time.
4- these scheme allows me not to break a process and leave the table for 30 mins after each win.
Hope, it wasn't too complicated...
All the best!
Hi Ruprekht, I like your variation of the method, welldone...
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 02/10/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1,200
TOTAL GAMES WON 1,109
TOTAL GAMES LOST 91
STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1
BALANCE 1,314 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 1
Well I suffered my first double loss in game 1173. I lost 56 units. But recovered 16 of them on the very next game. The strikerate again has dropped. But again considering that you profit with this method at 7/1 or even lower. 12/1 is still excellent. Next update at 1,400 games played...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 03, 03:21 AM 2011
Hi Ruprekht, I like your variation of the method, welldone...
Hello. As I see this thread is almost dead. All are concentrated on CODE4 and other sliders. But I think when people understand that they are all use the same idea and therefore have the same outcome they come back to initial idea.
As example, I can show one of the variations of it. It's quite reliable and doesn't need to play by sessions.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 03, 03:21 AM 2011
Hi Ruprekht, I like your variation of the method, welldone...
MOREOVER....
I can propose to pay attention on this variant of game> It looks more powerful than all of them before.
A picture explains it fully. Just some remarks:
1-play vertical or diagonal
2-diagonal without any progressions. Just once. The last in the row.
3-I think no progression is necessary, many straight winnings.
If questions - call me! I'm testing currently.
Ruprekht,
Thanks for your input.
For those of us who have lost touch with the developments on this topic, would you mind giving us a brief explanation of exactly how you are playing this variant?
Much appreciated.
GLC
Hello Ruprekht!
Good to see that this thread is alive again!!
Sorry but I didn't understand your variant,
how do you play it? Has it given you a steady winning streak?
PS. Ya nemnogo govoriu po-russki ;)
Quote from: master1986 on Oct 03, 11:06 AM 2011
Hello Ruprekht!
Good to see that this thread is alive again!!
Sorry but I didn't understand your variant,
how do you play it? Has it given you a steady winning streak?
PS. Ya nemnogo govoriu po-russki ;)
GUYS, WHICH SCHEME U R ASKNG FOR? 1ST OR 2 ND?
Both because I didn't understand anything :-[
If you don't mind of course..
Quote from: Ruprekht on Oct 03, 11:12 AM 2011
GUYS, WHICH SCHEME U R ASKNG FOR? 1ST OR 2 ND?
How about the one that you said looks more powerful than all the previous ones.
Quote from: GLC on Oct 03, 12:09 PM 2011
How about the one that you said looks more powerful than all the previous ones.
OK. A Little preview first.
We all know that roulette is a total chaos. Some call it random. I started using this fact long ago. But pretty recently began to use tables. From time to time that chaos creates some structures which dont live long. It can be RBRBRB, RR BB RR BB etc. When using tables, vertical RRRR (for example) might be considered also like a structure. So, all we need is to bet considering that any of above mentioned structures will be ruined by next move.
That was a preambula. Anything the rest a picture will explain.
Quote from: Ruprekht on Oct 03, 01:22 PM 2011
OK. A Little preview first.
We all know that roulette is a total chaos. Some call it random. I started using this fact long ago. But pretty recently began to use tables. From time to time that chaos creates some structures which don't live long. It can be RBRBRB, RR BB RR BB etc. When using tables, vertical RRRR (for example) might be considered also like a structure. So, all we need is to bet considering that any of above mentioned structures will be ruined by next move.
That was a preambula. Anything the rest a picture will explain.
I'll be brief.
"+" no need to play HIT & RUN, less risk - no need a heavy progression (probably even flat bet will work), faster income.
"-" ... I don't know yet. If anyone knows - let us know. ))
I'll be brief.
"+" no need to play HIT & RUN, less risk - no need a heavy progression (probably even flat bet will work), faster income.
"-" ... I don't know yet. If anyone knows - let us know. ))
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hhh 5
lll 4
hll 3
lhh 7
hlh 2
lhl 1
hhl 6
llh 8
I don't know where you get your numbers from but I smell BS, only my second time playing this system and its just lost... above is my working out , apart from one set of 3 outcomes tainted by a 0, the above patterns came out 1 after the other with NO repeats, it was live and on a trusted wheel, every one of your systems seems to work like gold for you and crap for me..
Mark
Quote from: MightyMark on Oct 11, 10:10 AM 2011
hhh 5
lll 4
hll 3
lhh 7
hlh 2
lhl 1
hhl 6
llh 8
I don't know where you get your numbers from but I smell BS, only my second time playing this system and its just lost... above is my working out , apart from one set of 3 outcomes tainted by a 0, the above patterns came out 1 after the other with NO repeats, it was live and on a trusted wheel, every one of your systems seems to work like gold for you and nonsense for me..
Mark
You play two games lose one and dismiss the method??? There is no handout Mark. You are not putting the work in to see the results. If/when you reach a time you are. I will be ready to help you.
Quoteevery one of your systems seems to work like gold for you and nonsense for me
And a few others if you look at the pole created, maybe you aren't hitting hard enough and running fast enough Mark
Quote from: superman on Oct 14, 02:33 PM 2011
And a few others if you look at the pole created, maybe you aren't hitting hard enough and running fast enough Mark
Maybe he hasn't played 600 games in increments of 2 by 2 Superman. Now theres a thought. Theres no room for lazy people in being successful with this game. Just as theres no room for empty comments by objective observers.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 16/10/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1,400
TOTAL GAMES WON 1,292
TOTAL GAMES LOST 108
STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1
BALANCE 1,510 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 1
The strikerate has held at approximately 12/1 over the last 200 games. With the insurance bet holding solid after my first double loss ever in my previous update. Pattern Breaker remains one of my bread and butter methods, having truly stood the test of time. The other three still have a way to go to gain that same status with me. Divide and Conquer looks its equal. CODE 4 is not shifting from its solid delivery. VERTICAL 8 is the new kid on the block in relative terms. But its already looking like it will be a longterm winner too.
John, wouldn't you like pay your attention to outside bet?
Quote from: Ruprekht on Oct 16, 12:16 PM 2011
John, wouldn't you like pay your attention to outside bet?
Outside Bet? Ruprekht I am playing the method as I have played it for over 3.5 years. With constant success. I am at a stage where I am not going to push or work on anymore ideas on this forum. My major efforts will be towards building as powerful a BR as possible for spring next year when I hit Europe. The four methods I employ and endorse will be used then. Especially PATTERN BREAKER, DIVIDE AND CONQUER and CODE 4. VERTICAL 8 still has a lot of proofing to do.
I have one method I am testing currently unknown to the forum. Its not my brainchild but looks very strong. There is no more for me to do here. I am more than dis-appointed with the lack of staying power shown by other members on this forum but hardly surprised. We live in a superficial world afterall.
So if youve found a way to profit good. Keep pressing forward. My contributions on this forum are done. I will only come back here to update my 4 methods. And anwser any queeries related to them as of now.
...
Quote from: Ruprekht on Oct 16, 12:35 PM 2011
I invented system, that consistently wins. I used you because (as I think) u r a thinking person. I don't want to post it in front off all (lazy, silly and selfish people). Besides, two heads are better than one. And if this system really will survive, it doesn't blow the market of gambling because only 2 people know it. ....
Then email it to me or PM me with it Ruprekht. And I will look at it seriously and come back to you.
Regards JL...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 16, 12:39 PM 2011
Then email it to me or PM me with it Ruprekht. And I will look at it seriously and come back to you.
Regards JL...
Hello Ruprekht
We can not wait to get details of your system here. And if you are not ready to post anything of substance here i suggest that you take your business elsewhere.
Unless you have Holy Grail method of course >:D
Regards
Since there are eight possible patterns that can be left why do we have to wait for the roulette wheel to give us dozens to cross off the patterns..to leave one?
It would be easier to place eight numbered balls in a bag and shake them then pick one out at random to give us the pattern to bet against....
It seems to me the odds of winning any particular coup are always 7 to one in our favour no matter how the pattern is picked.......are these considered good odds when playing roulette?...and thats without the zero coming up!!! ..I would always prefer my odds of winning to be in the high 90s (percentage wise ) on any system
Maybe I'm missing something..but....If anyone can enlighten me I am ready to eat Humble Pie.
Hi Rolf,
Maybe you could enlighten us with your 9/10 instead of knocking someone else's 8/1?
Surely it would be impolite (and very un-Australian) not to do so.
Mmmm. What are the odds?
Woods
P.s. Why don't you check some more of JL's threads to get a better idea of where he's coming from. It might help you to see what he is implying through his methodology.
I was making an observation, thats all... what is the forum for if its percieved as "knocking" when one does that..
I believe what I said about the odds are correct..so do you disagree?.. am I wrong ?....
Yes, I will have a look thru' JL's posts as you advised.
Being new to this forum I am slowly beginning to realise that there is more to roulette than the straight forward odds that are facing us...things such as trends, money management etc which can be utilised to try and defeat the odds or at least make them more favourable to us winning.
As for my own ideas I was thinking that if the runs of 3 (giving 8 options ) were increased to 4 ( giving errr.....a lot more ) then there will be more combinations in our favour.
I realise we will have to be prepared to go an extra stage in the betting progression but it may be achievable if we start with a bigger bank roll or lower the size of the initial unit.
Anyhow, thats the way I was thinking of going...
Probably when I get to read more of the posts I will maybe find that someone has already come up with this idea..maybe in the name of a different system to this one..
Anyhow ....got to get back to my Diggery-Do....
Hi Rolf,
JL's ideas are generally based on the idea that by utilising hit and run theory, you can increase the odds in your favour. This is a controversial, but very old discussion and you'll find this being discussed by him and others elsewhere.
This thread is long but if your curious then have a read thru as many questions will have been asked along the way previously.
Welcome to the forum by the way. This is a great place for a whole heap of resources (actual spins, systems, coding etc) as well as some very skilled mathematicians and some very experienced players (whether any of them are better off for it in the long run, who knows!) but most are friendly and happy to help. New people/ideas are always welcome.
Enjoy your walkabout!
Woods
Quote from: rolf-harris on Oct 22, 05:25 AM 2011
As for my own ideas I was thinking that if the runs of 3 (giving 8 options ) were increased to 4 ( giving errr.....a lot more ) then there will be more combinations in our favour.
I realise we will have to be prepared to go an extra stage in the betting progression but it may be achievable if we start with a bigger bankroll or lower the size of the initial unit.
I think this may have got covered earlier. How far a progression you decide to play can have a large bearing on results. You'll see this being discussed with a lot of systems here. Bankroll and personal preference have alot to do with it. Some like to play maybe a 2 or 3 stage prog, others will play crazy martingales quite happily. Each to their own.
Woods
I just want to say it took me 3 days to read the full Pattern Breaker! While reading it i was redirected to Pattern 4 which was created during tests with Patterk Breaker and i started reading that thread also, from there i got carried to CODE 4 which is a lot like Pattern 4.
Last night after i finished reading i went for a LIVE Session using Pattern 4 H/L E/O at the same time. With only 30units BANKROLL after 84 spins i got +28 units = 58units. No loss. After this i got greedy and bet all on a color and lost but the point is the system was working.
I would like to give many thanks to those who SHARE and those who TEST! I am really glad i found this forum and i'm able to interact with better people than me!
As i see i still got Divide & Conquer , CODE 4 , VERTICAL 8 , MV5 to read and i got a headache.
Why i post here is because i want to find out if people still use this SYSTEM? I WANT TO START WITH A SYSTEM AND STOP AT 20UNITS A DAY. ONCE I GET IT STARTED I WILL POST EVERYDAY IF WHETHER I GOT +20UNITS OR LOST.
All i need is an advice about which ONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED SYSTEMS TO USE AND A PROGRESSION METHOD!
Many thanks to all replying on this forum! I'm sorry i wrote this much i just got too excited!
Looks like a great system...simple to stat and simple to bet on...
My question 2 is this...how do we bet?
Examples would be easiest...
EG We get to the last pattern to bet against. We win the very 1st bet.
Do we then start the session all over again?
If we lose all 3 bets on the last pattern and restart another session, how do we bet from there?
IE What is your betting progression method...?
Sounds like a very simple system to stat up...
Cheers
Peter
Hello Mudiru,
Take a look at the method "jhon legend try this one".............
Look at croco's second reply.................
That is the way to go............
If you start that method of playing keep us updated on that thread..........
Quote from: woods101 on Oct 23, 03:38 PM 2011
I think this may have got covered earlier. How far a progression you decide to play can have a large bearing on results. You'll see this being discussed with a lot of systems here. Bankroll and personal preference have a lot to do with it. Some like to play maybe a 2 or 3 stage prog, others will play crazy martingales quite happily. Each to their own.
Woods
Well i have to agree - if some one would use short attacks and different levels using progressions i would recommend fibo - even if it would not give you winnings as fast as other options.
The benifit using fibo is that you win back the two previos loses and when the bad swings strikes you accept losses to certan degree witch i think is much better then aim to get all in.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 09/11/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1700
TOTAL GAMES WON 1567
TOTAL GAMES LOST 133
STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1
BALANCE 1860 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 1
My strongest personal method maintains great consistency. Holding at a strikerate around 12/1 over the last 300 games. And still only a single double loss over the the whole 1700 games. CONSISTENCY. Is what its all about. PATTERN BREAKER along with CODE 4 have shown that in abundance.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 09, 04:51 PM 2011
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 09/11/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1700
TOTAL GAMES WON 1567
TOTAL GAMES LOST 133
STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1
BALANCE 1860 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 1
My strongest personal method maintains great consistency. Holding at a strikerate around 12/1 over the last 300 games. And still only a single double loss over the the whole 1700 games. CONSISTENCY. Is what its all about. PATTERN BREAKER along with CODE 4 have shown that in abundance.
TOTAL GAMES LOST 133 This only means you lost first 3 bets and recovered in next 3 bets with progression right?
DOUBLE LOSSES 1 This is actually your ONLY loss because it lost at 6th bet right?
What progression do you use? Can you clarify this? because if you only lost ONCE it means this is the ultimate system.
Quote from: Mudiru on Nov 11, 07:29 AM 2011
TOTAL GAMES LOST 133 This only means you lost first 3 bets and recovered in next 3 bets with progression right?
DOUBLE LOSSES 1 This is actually your ONLY loss because it lost at 6th bet right?
What progression do you use? Can you clarify this? because if you only lost ONCE it means this is the ultimate system.
I assume you got that correct - who say two loses in a row would be a total loss - you can use a 12 or 15 steps or 4 to 5 levels witch would fail or tank if you lose 4 or 5 times in a row ...
Quote from: Mudiru on Nov 11, 07:29 AM 2011
TOTAL GAMES LOST 133 This only means you lost first 3 bets and recovered in next 3 bets with progression right?
DOUBLE LOSSES 1 This is actually your ONLY loss because it lost at 6th bet right?
What progression do you use? Can you clarify this? because if you only lost ONCE it means this is the ultimate system.
Hello Muduri, a game is opposing the last combination standing. Lets say that was HLH. And the next three spins produce HLH or H0H. I have lost a game. For the first game I stake as follows at level 1.
2--4--8 A total risk of 14 units. And I play two simultaneous games for HIGH/LOW and ODD/EVEN. Lets say HIGH/LOW qualified first and I lost the game as in above. When ODD/EVEN qualified I would stake at LEVEL 2 STAKES. 8--16--32. Aiming to recover around 50% of the previous loss. So when I say I have suffered ONE double loss in 1,700 games. You know this is pretty special. A DOUBLE LOSS meant I lost a total of 70 UNITS.
This scarceness of losing both games for HIGH/LOW AND ODD EVEN in the SAME SESSION. Is where PATTERN BREAKER stands up as one of the most consistent methods you could ever use. Its POWER-POINT and VALUE comes from that awesome consistency.
Quote from: ego on Nov 11, 01:31 PM 2011
I assume you got that correct - who say two loses in a row would be a total loss - you can use a 12 or 15 steps or 4 to 5 levels witch would fail or tank if you lose 4 or 5 times in a row ...
You could use 10 levels. The point ego is PATTERN breaker rarely loses two games in a row. When playing HIGH/LOW---ODD/EVEN simultaneously in a HIT AND RUN APPLICATION. You are destined to make tidy profits if you can STICK TO THE PLAN...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 11, 02:53 PM 2011
2--4--8 A total risk of 14 units. And I play two simultaneous games for HIGH/LOW and ODD/EVEN. Lets say HIGH/LOW qualified first and I lost the game as in above. When ODD/EVEN qualified I would stake at LEVEL 2 STAKES. 8--16--32. Aiming to recover around 50% of the previous loss. So when I say I have suffered ONE double loss in 1,700 games. You know this is pretty special. A DOUBLE LOSS meant I lost a total of 70 UNITS.
1) Why do you play 2--4--8 8--16--32 instead of 2--4--8 16--32--64? (i play with 100% recover)
2) Do you only use H/L , E/O without B/R why? (i also don't use B/R)
3) Can you define a session? How many times you bet with Pattern Breaker during a session and how long does it take?
Quote from: Mudiru on Nov 12, 12:23 PM 2011
1) Why do you play 2--4--8 8--16--32 instead of 2--4--8 16--32--64? (i play with 100% recover)
2) Do you only use H/L , E/O without B/R why? (i also don't use B/R)
3) Can you define a session? How many times you bet with Pattern Breaker during a session and how long does it take?
Pay some and read the thread from the start. Most of your answers are already here.
Woods
@ BV NZ just had a double loss followed by a 3rd loss(on which i bet the rest of my money to recover) i guess betvoyager is not so *fair* after all, even without the 0 i still lost 3 times in row, betvoyager is a fraud!!! i'm so pissed, the system worked well for a few days!!
Quote from: Mudiru on Nov 12, 01:51 PM 2011
i guess betvoyager is not so *fair* after all, even without the 0 i still lost 3 times in row, betvoyager is a fraud!!! i'm so pissed, the system worked well for a few days!!
I'm saddened to here of your loss. :'( ....but..... your..... Plain......
Wrong.
BV is incredibly fair and not 'Staged' at all.
The Matrix bets are not suited to BV or in my opinion, any RNG output.
RNG uses a 'Manufactured' form of random.... not one from the Ether of the World/Universe or Beyond.
please don't blame RNG at BV for your loss. :-X
I have lose my entire BR at BV NZ, many times, and I too blamed the Casino Interface.
I questioned it at 1st, we all did I guess, and asked others opinions.
But now, if I have a loss... its cause I made the wrong choices!
Well i think one thing is good about this - it is the reverse way to use sleeper or imbalance.
I woundering if there is any need to play all even money position as you mention.
@Mudiru
I am very sorry about your loss but some people will never learn... I won't say that they cheated you (although i am pretty much sure about so) just hope you will learn something from this...
And by the way all of you who are playing there and are ready to make monument to darn BV NO zero just remember why are you making monument. Because there is a fair payout ratio? No edge? Realy? Suckers...
Thanks them for BV NO ZERO, with this finaly there is a way to beat this game and less important of course, CASINO. Realy?... >:D Haha
Real RNG exists, but it is light years away from gambling world... Gambling RNG-s are created to simulate roulette and make a wanted profit for bosses.. When it is time to fill THE TREASURY they will do it, and you would be suprised how simple... I study informatics and belive me i know some people who are great programers, i spoke to them about this, although even before that i was assured about RNG-s are not fair, and they explained me in details how they cheat you actualy... All of you are blinded with some "fairness certificates", i realy laugh when i read that. BS. For company like that and were so much money is involved, one of the best programers of the world are employed. They can cheat God about computers and not some naive suckers, saying that on their roulette there is no zero? How they will earn money then?
We are in the middle of one of the worls greatest crysis and other word for our planet today is CAPiTALISM. There is no fairness of any kind when money is in question.... And gambling RNG is created just for that. Wake up people!
DISLACMER. With this i didn't wanted to stress that Jl-s method would work maybe better on realy wheels. I don't know becasue i don't play it and honestly from my tests doesn't show results like his. Even with his way of playing... But don't want to discuss about it... Every one has his way for this game, right?
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: Mudiru on Nov 12, 01:51 PM 2011
@ BV NZ just had a double loss followed by a 3rd loss(on which i bet the rest of my money to recover) i guess betvoyager is not so *fair* after all, even without the 0 i still lost 3 times in row, betvoyager is a fraud!!! i'm so pissed, the system worked well for a few days!!
No doubt JL will be along soon to tell you that you should have stayed away from RNG. ::)
Sorry about your loss Mudiru, but others have posted negative results from PATTERN BREAKER and polls have shown that almost no members have achieved similar results to JL with any of his systems. Not saying that he's trying to fool anyone or is lying, he could have just been lucky - that's random!
It really isn't fair to blame BV or accuse them of cheating just because you had a loss. I've said it before, JL should tone down the hype and not lead people to believe that his systems are infallible.
Quoteno members have achieved similar results to JL with any of his systems
Yes, all his systems/methods have been tested against all types of platform, live wheel, RNG, random.org and lists of spielbank results, they fail at some point on ALL as you've just found out, even without a zero to contend with. Don't believe or fall for the hype.
I don't blame anyone but BV NZ and i'll write the whole story here:
After reading several hundreds of pages on this forum i settled with 2 systems: PB and Code4
After reading many comments about BV NZ being a fair roulette game i created an account there and deposited 10E.
I started playing both systems simultaneously PB and C4 using MSTracker. I played with only 0.1 chips to 25E then using 0.2chips to 50E. Until this point i have only lost once with C4 but i soon recovered using both systems. At 50E i started using 0.5chips after a few spins i lost with C4 again 40E!! (with 0.5/0.5 1.5/1.5 4.5/4.5 13.5/13.5 progression) I was at 10E AGAIN but i didn't give up and started building with 0.1 and 0.2 chips up to ~40E. I then started again using 0.5chips and only after few spins i lost at step one 0.5--1--2 using PB O/E(nothing abnormal i lost before with PB at step 1 but recovered in second game) then i waited for PB H/L and went to step 2 progression 4--8--16 and got double loss losing a total of 31.5E. I was AGAIN at ~10E and i was sure it can't lose the 3rd time in row and i waited for PB O/E again and bet using 1.5--3--6 progression and lost the 3rd time and with this my whole BR!! I'm only sorry for the days i played using god damn 0.1--0.2chips to build up my BR and lost everything in few minutes!!
I don't blame the system because with 0.1--0.2chips i got to 50E from only 10E. I blame BV NZ for making me lose each time i started using 0.5chips. I'm pretty sure they mess up with roulette once you start betting more than usual. I'm not sure if i should give another try with 10E and recover or leave BV NZ.
If somebody wants to help pm me a FAIR LIVE ROULETTE SITE WITH 0.1 CHIPS!
Quote from: Mudiru on Nov 13, 03:25 PM 2011
I don't blame anyone but BV NZ and i'll write the whole story here:
After reading several hundreds of pages on this forum i settled with 2 systems: PB and Code4
After reading many comments about BV NZ being a fair roulette game i created an account there and deposited 10E.
I started playing both systems simultaneously PB and C4 using MSTracker. I played with only 0.1 chips to 25E then using 0.2chips to 50E. Until this point i have only lost once with C4 but i soon recovered using both systems. At 50E i started using 0.5chips after a few spins i lost with C4 again 40E!! (with 0.5/0.5 1.5/1.5 4.5/4.5 13.5/13.5 progression) I was at 10E AGAIN but i didn't give up and started building with 0.1 and 0.2 chips up to ~40E. I then started again using 0.5chips and only after few spins i lost at step one 0.5--1--2 using PB O/E(nothing abnormal i lost before with PB at step 1 but recovered in second game) then i waited for PB H/L and went to step 2 progression 4--8--16 and got double loss losing a total of 31.5E. I was AGAIN at ~10E and i was sure it can't lose the 3rd time in row and i waited for PB O/E again and bet using 1.5--3--6 progression and lost the 3rd time and with this my whole BR!! I'm only sorry for the days i played using God darn 0.1--0.2chips to build up my BR and lost everything in few minutes!!
I don't blame the system because with 0.1--0.2chips i got to 50E from only 10E. I blame BV NZ for making me lose each time i started using 0.5chips. I'm pretty sure they mess up with roulette once you start betting more than usual. I'm not sure if i should give another try with 10E and recover or leave BV NZ.
If somebody wants to help pm me a FAIR LIVE ROULETTE SITE WITH 0.1 CHIPS!
Mudiru, I wouldnt play BV no Zero if you payed me. I am serious, its hard enough to beat the physics of a real wheel and true random. Than a man-made wallet fleecer.
Now Bayes and Superman ought to know better. But since they don't I will say this again. Play only live with any of my methods. And play them FOR NO MORE THAN 4 GAMES A SESSION. Now theres the problem. Nobody can stick to the plan PROPERLY.
Then they all want to say "well geez how come my results don't look anything like JLs ??? ". They are not going to because you don't play like I do, simple really.
If even one member on this forum could TRUELY do it properly. You will get the rewards. If I tell you playing for example Scooby Doos DIVIDE AND CONQUER. 5 times 4. Spaced throughout the day is SUPERIOR to sitting there and playing 20 straight games in the LONG-TERM. I'm telling you from the results I've obtained by doing so. Not to be clever and start a revolution on a roulette forum. But because that's how its panned out.
You can take it or leave it, but until you do it over several 100 live games you have no business commenting negatively on it. And that's what's sadly lacking on ALL roulette forums. And why I have pulled back from contributing anymore on here. The human mind is the number one barrier to any of you truly moving forward. You are stuck in old thinking and flawed beliefs. And drawn to the lure of that fatal FAST TURNOVER. ***RNGS*** Fools gold for certain.
Until the penny drops and you realize why RNGS were created in the first place you are going nowhere with this game fast. I will beat a real wheel until I draw my last breath. An RNG I will never beat in the longterm. And you should ALL know why by now. Its basic common sense.
Hello, Johnlegend!
QuoteAnd that's what's sadly lacking on ALL roulette forums. And why I have pulled back from contributing anymore on here.
Maybe you'll share with us where do you continue to contribute, if there is any other place exist?
And regarding this particular strategy, I'm testing it on slingshot (autowheel) with paper. So far I don't have much time during the day for testing it, but at the moment twenty games have been played (original rules) and step 5 wasn't challenged.
Thanks in advance!
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 11, 07:44 AM 2011
Yes Gordon that's what is fascinating with this method. With Pattern 4 the game is won or lost in 3 spins. With PATTERN BREAKER. You could potentially win 25 plus times in one game. I have seen it several times. With about 8 winning cycles being the normal good winning streak. I think this is the value of that WAIT with this method. To learn how to harness a potential goldmine of wins.
I'm new here so don't be too harsh :D
Just spent a few days reading through 55 pages of Pattern Breaker comments. All very interesting.
One thing is puzzling me. I thought in Pattern Breaker that you stopped the session after you had a single win and then restarted tracking (after a break) for another game. But comments like the one above suggest continuing to bet until the pattern you are betting against finally shows up and you lose.
Am I misunderstanding how Pattern Breaker works, or is this a variant of the original? :question:
Quote from: Mudiru on Nov 13, 03:25 PM 2011
I don't blame anyone but BV NZ and i'll write the whole story here:
After reading several hundreds of pages on this forum i settled with 2 systems: PB and Code4
After reading many comments about BV NZ being a fair roulette game i created an account there and deposited 10E.
I started playing both systems simultaneously PB and C4 using MSTracker. I played with only 0.1 chips to 25E then using 0.2chips to 50E. Until this point i have only lost once with C4 but i soon recovered using both systems. At 50E i started using 0.5chips after a few spins i lost with C4 again 40E!! (with 0.5/0.5 1.5/1.5 4.5/4.5 13.5/13.5 progression) I was at 10E AGAIN but i didn't give up and started building with 0.1 and 0.2 chips up to ~40E. I then started again using 0.5chips and only after few spins i lost at step one 0.5--1--2 using PB O/E(nothing abnormal i lost before with PB at step 1 but recovered in second game) then i waited for PB H/L and went to step 2 progression 4--8--16 and got double loss losing a total of 31.5E. I was AGAIN at ~10E and i was sure it can't lose the 3rd time in row and i waited for PB O/E again and bet using 1.5--3--6 progression and lost the 3rd time and with this my whole BR!! I'm only sorry for the days i played using God darn 0.1--0.2chips to build up my BR and lost everything in few minutes!!
I don't blame the system because with 0.1--0.2chips i got to 50E from only 10E. I blame BV NZ for making me lose each time i started using 0.5chips. I'm pretty sure they mess up with roulette once you start betting more than usual. I'm not sure if i should give another try with 10E and recover or leave BV NZ.
If somebody wants to help pm me a FAIR LIVE ROULETTE SITE WITH 0.1 CHIPS!
There is nothing fishy going on here. What you experienced is just the typical result of using the martingale on a simple system. Eventually you will hit a sequence which wipes out all your gains.
Come on guys, this is gambling 101 stuff! It's JL who really should know better.
The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".
JL talks about fast turnover, well that's completely irrelevant to the system, if it's a winner. You should be grateful for that fast turnover because you wasted less time than you would have if you'd played a live wheel. I keep saying it; RNG can give the illusion that it "doesn't let you win" because it DOES give you fast turnover - you can play 5 spins or more on an RNG in the time it takes to get 1 spin on a live wheel. Again, how does this affect the system itself? if the system is a winner it should just mean you win the same in less time. Isn't that just common sense?
And again, please tell me how BV can cheat with its hash function. This is something which is ignored by all BV's detractors, maybe because they don't understand it.
In my opinion, it's a shame that you haven't even considered that it's the system which may be at fault, not the casino. Now you're planning to do the whole thing over again and will lose much more time and possibly money. :(
Quote from: Subreptivus on Nov 22, 04:03 PM 2011
And regarding this particular strategy, I'm testing it on slingshot (autowheel) with paper. So far I don't have much time during the day for testing it, but at the moment twenty games have been played (original rules) and step 5 wasn't challenged.
Gentlemens, I beg your pardon!
I don't know where were my eyes, but I posted in wrong thread :-[
So what was mentioned about strategy\system is totally referencing to *VERTICAL 8*.
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 24, 03:36 AM 2011
There is nothing fishy going on here. What you experienced is just the typical result of using the martingale on a simple system. Eventually you will hit a sequence which wipes out all your gains.
Come on guys, this is gambling 101 stuff! It's JL who really should know better.
The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".
JL talks about fast turnover, well that's completely irrelevant to the system, if it's a winner. You should be grateful for that fast turnover because you wasted less time than you would have if you'd played a live wheel. I keep saying it; RNG can give the illusion that it "doesn't let you win" because it DOES give you fast turnover - you can play 5 spins or more on an RNG in the time it takes to get 1 spin on a live wheel. Again, how does this affect the system itself? if the system is a winner it should just mean you win the same in less time. Isn't that just common sense?
And again, please tell me how BV can cheat with its hash function. This is something which is ignored by all BV's detractors, maybe because they don't understand it.
In my opinion, it's a shame that you haven't even considered that it's the system which may be at fault, not the casino. Now you're planning to do the whole thing over again and will lose much more time and possibly money. :(
Yeah dont ever use an agresive progression. U will be wiped out sooner or later. Play a system with a flat betting or a very very mild progression. Put your stop loss relatively low for example at 30 or 40 units if you aim to win 20 units a day. There are systems that you can win 3 times out of 4 on a average basis. If u are comfortable enough increase your stakes accordingly. Never play a method that you have to risk 81 units to win 1 unit. This is an recipe for a disaster. And systems that u have 7 to 1 chances to win 1 units give you also a false sense of security too.
Regards
This is a series of very interesting and valuable observations.
While in a period of extensive travel and live spin play in the casinos I have found that one of the most reliable/ readable of methods is the reverse bet I applied to the D+C matrix method. This is a cousin of the above matrix and certain principles may be transferred, but the beauty of the D+C is its simplicity and ability to be reversed to manufacture a smarter bet, given care over Ecart 'context'.
Generally I found that taking a short progression to 7 steps, using the Whittaker progression, has proven most reliable.
I play in cycles of 90 spins live ( 1.5-2.5 hours) and generally the net return when in aggressive Ecart mode will be +25 units, or if more testing, about +11 units.
The 7 steps requires only 21 units and thus in the case of a stop-loss, and with reasonable care over selection of a session to play, the loss can be repaired in a couple of winning sessions.
The value of the units can be stepped as you build a bank.
Another reason I like the method is that is quite forgiving and not so specific inside table number demanding, so that we don't get fooled by randomness quite so often.
There will be more specific comment soon in the Experimental Methods thread.
No dis-respect intended of course to JL or SD as the PB and D+C can have long positive winning streaks also. It is all to do with timing and choice.
XXVV
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 24, 03:36 AM 2011
There is nothing fishy going on here. What you experienced is just the typical result of using the martingale on a simple system. Eventually you will hit a sequence which wipes out all your gains.
Come on guys, this is gambling 101 stuff! It's JL who really should know better.
The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".
JL talks about fast turnover, well that's completely irrelevant to the system, if it's a winner. You should be grateful for that fast turnover because you wasted less time than you would have if you'd played a live wheel. I keep saying it; RNG can give the illusion that it "doesn't let you win" because it DOES give you fast turnover - you can play 5 spins or more on an RNG in the time it takes to get 1 spin on a live wheel. Again, how does this affect the system itself? if the system is a winner it should just mean you win the same in less time. Isn't that just common sense?
And again, please tell me how BV can cheat with its hash function. This is something which is ignored by all BV's detractors, maybe because they don't understand it.
In my opinion, it's a shame that you haven't even considered that it's the system which may be at fault, not the casino. Now you're planning to do the whole thing over again and will lose much more time and possibly money. :(
I do not cite fast turnover as the reason you lose at manmade ROULETTE Bayes. Its the lure, it plays on the inherent weakness and greed of human nature. I want to GET RICH QUICK mentality.
The reason you lose is you are playing a machine that in no way mirrors the physics of true random. Its a percentage machine designed to MAKE PROFIT FOR ITS CREATORS. While paying out only once that PROFIT MARGIN IS ****SECURED****. And the millions of fools who think otherwise will be throwing their money down the drain for generations to come.
I don't say any method (Mine or otherwise) will best manmade roulette LONGTERM. Because it won't. I SAY, the methods I endorse will generate a longterm profit played in short BURSTS a max of 4 games per session. Now find me the person/s. Who can stick to the plan for several thousand REAL LIVE GAMES. And you will yield similar results to what I do.
There is no other way to approach this. You can hover around the issue all you like. Until you do it PROPERLY. You will never see it.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 13/12/11
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 2000
TOTAL GAMES WON 1,845
TOTAL GAMES LOST 155
STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1
BALANCE 2,218 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 1
Having now reached another milestone of 2000 games played, I am very happy with the solid consistency my best personal method continues to display.
JohnLegend your results are great. The way you apply yourself to the game is amazing.........
I look forward to the posts on this thread for the next few days or even weeks.
Until next time...........
PS
take a look at "Roulette And Gambling Framework" section under thread "Chapter 5: The Dueling Laws Of Large and Small Number" I found it intriguing .
Quote from: Johnlegend on Dec 13, 02:37 PM 2011
And the millions of fools who think otherwise will be throwing their money down the drain for generations to come.
I'm not doing badly for a fool.
And how does BV get around the hash function again?
what is the correct way of playing this system win any of the even chances and reset or contnue playing can someone please clarify
The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".
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Yes, 35-1. But......You forgot one thing. Combinatorics. Have you seen often, for instance, 17-18-19 came out? I haven't. But every number there has odds of 35-1.
Best wishes.
Quote from: Ruprekht on Dec 25, 08:48 AM 2011
The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".
Yes, 35-1. But......You forgot one thing. Combinatorics. Have you seen often, for instance, 17-18-19 came out? I haven't. But every number there has odds of 35-1.
Best wishes.
And play if 0 comes then 9, 19 ,29 four rounds.. Usually hits.
so do i restart if i win on any even chances
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 24, 03:36 AM 2011
There is nothing fishy going on here. What you experienced is just the typical result of using the martingale on a simple system. Eventually you will hit a sequence which wipes out all your gains.
Come on guys, this is gambling 101 stuff! It's JL who really should know better.
The odds of losing a game in this system are 7-1. Now, think about it. Have you ever seen a single number hit 3 times in a row? of course you have, and probably more. So if that can happen on odds of 35-1 it sure as hell will happen with lower odds. The lower the odds, the longer the streaks. You had a pretty good run to build your bank up from 10 euros to 50, then you got a set of bunched losses, just as you should. Your problem is lack of research and testing, don't fall fall for the tired old mantra of "all RNGs are cheats".
JL talks about fast turnover, well that's completely irrelevant to the system, if it's a winner. You should be grateful for that fast turnover because you wasted less time than you would have if you'd played a live wheel. I keep saying it; RNG can give the illusion that it "doesn't let you win" because it DOES give you fast turnover - you can play 5 spins or more on an RNG in the time it takes to get 1 spin on a live wheel. Again, how does this affect the system itself? if the system is a winner it should just mean you win the same in less time. Isn't that just common sense?
And again, please tell me how BV can cheat with its hash function. This is something which is ignored by all BV's detractors, maybe because they don't understand it.
In my opinion, it's a shame that you haven't even considered that it's the system which may be at fault, not the casino. Now you're planning to do the whole thing over again and will lose much more time and possibly money. :(
Yes, 35-1. But......You forgot one thing. Combinatorics. Have you seen often, for instance, 17-18-19 came out? I haven't. But every number there has odds of 35-1.
Quote from: Ruprekht on Dec 25, 07:14 PM 2011
Yes, 35-1. But......You forgot one thing. Combinatorics. Have you seen often, for instance, 17-18-19 came out? I haven't. But every number there has odds of 35-1.
if u play frequently it happens. not every day of course, but it does. i found some sample from german casino where it happened like 1-2-3-4-5-6-6-7-8-9-12-11...something like that..it happens once in a blue moon, but things like 17-18-19 happen once in a while
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 25, 10:26 PM 2011
if u play frequently it happens. not every day of course, but it does. i found some sample from german casino where it happened like 1-2-3-4-5-6-6-7-8-9-12-11...something like that..it happens once in a blue moon, but things like 17-18-19 happen once in a while
I wouldn't mind if playing PATTERN BREAKER I lost once in a blue moon. In other words, what I wanted to say is: 17-18-19 happens far less frequently than 17-17-17. Although, every number has 35-1.
P.S. I dare say that such meanings as "play frequently", "once in a blue moon" or "once in a while" a little blurred.
can somoeone please answer my question
Quote from: Ruprekht on Dec 26, 04:53 AM 2011
I wouldn't mind if playing PATTERN BREAKER I lost once in a blue moon. In other words, what I wanted to say is: 17-18-19 happens far less frequently than 17-17-17. Although, every number has 35-1.
P.S. I dare say that such meanings as "play frequently", "once in a blue moon" or "once in a while" a little blurred.
i am not arguing, u may be right. as for meanings it is all relative, not "blurred".
Quote from: sarif on Dec 22, 10:28 AM 2011
what is the correct way of playing this system win any of the even chances and reset or contnue playing can someone please clarify
You play two games a session Sarif ODDS AND EVENS and HIGH LOW simultaneously. Obviously you want to win them both and most of the time you will. Play no more than TWO GAMES PER SESSION THATS THE *****KEY******. Stay away from Red and Black. It performs less favourably to the aforementioned. I believe this has something to do with the layout.
Quote from: Ruprekht on Dec 26, 04:53 AM 2011
I wouldn't mind if playing PATTERN BREAKER I lost once in a blue moon. In other words, what I wanted to say is: 17-18-19 happens far less frequently than 17-17-17. Although, every number has 35-1.
P.S. I dare say that such meanings as "play frequently", "once in a blue moon" or "once in a while" a little blurred.
You stand correct Ruprekht. Knowing something is POSSIBLE. And running into it in real-time PLAY. Are two different things. People who side with the maths fraternity play on statistics too much. At the expense of TRUE PROGRESS. Random can decode any functional method. This all the wise ALREADY KNOW. The only question you need anwsered is can it do it often enough to kill your PROFIT MARGIN once you add the prime ingredients of money management and disciplined play to a solid method.
If the anwser is NO. You have a winning method....
Quote from: Bayes on Dec 19, 04:02 AM 2011
I'm not doing badly for a fool.
And how does BV get around the hash function again?
I couldnt tell you about BV Bayes. Its more than likley a smoke-screen to cover up what really goes on. As I said you are playing a man-made percentage machine similar to slots. 1 for you 3 for them. You can never fully trust manmade roulette that is the bottom line. And if you are trying to tell me a real wheel could cheat players yes it could. But who will it cheat. The player risking 100 units on a single number or the player risking 20 units on an even chance?? I have been in this game long enough to know what goes on Bayes. The smart players know how to stay under the radar picking off small but CONSISTENT (that's the key word) profits.
The greedy ones will be wiped out eventually ALWAYS.
thanks johnlegend for replying
Quote from: Johnlegend on Dec 27, 03:28 PM 2011
I couldnt tell you about BV Bayes. Its more than likley a smoke-screen to cover up what really goes on.
This just tells me you have no understanding of how hash functions work.
Hi Bayes,
Without going off-topic too much if the hash packets are in groups of 10 numbers at a time, if you are playing a system that becomes recognisable then would it not be a possibility that you could get sent a packet of 10 numbers (or successive packets) that would ruin you?
Basically why does the fact that you get sent 10 numbers at a time validate the honesty of BV?
Thanks
Woods
Hi Woods,
Yes, it's possible that if BV has figured out your bet selection then they could do just that. But it would be simply luck on their part; there's a chance they could be completely wrong and in fact they might end up sending you winners! Just because you've played a certain way in the past doesn't mean you'll continue to play that way. And think of all the extra work this would involve for the casino (and with no guarantee of winning) - software would have to be written to monitor player's betting and then analyse data to find patterns (of which there are countless numbers), then they would have to write more software to generate the 'anti' pattern, but this would have to be not so obvious that players would get suspicious or that it would violate the laws of probability etc.. I just find the whole idea implausible.
In any case, playing any simple system spin after spin will mean that you eventually hit the sequence from hell, regardless of what the casino is sending you (assuming they can't generate numbers AFTER you bet).
Quote from: Ruprekht on Dec 26, 04:53 AM 2011
17-18-19 happens far less frequently than 17-17-17. Although, every number has 35-1.
Not so. 17-18-19 is just as likely as 17-17-17. All sequences of the same length are equally likely. Some patterns 'stand out' more clearly to our perception, but they hit equally as often. Don't take my word for it though, this is basic probability.
Quote from: Bayes on Jan 10, 04:51 AM 2012
Not so. 17-18-19 is just as likely as 17-17-17. All sequences of the same length are equally likely. Some patterns 'stand out' more clearly to our perception, but they hit equally as often. Don't take my word for it though, this is basic probability.
Disagree.
Why?
Quote from: Bayes on Jan 10, 10:13 AM 2012
Why?
Because "basic probability" doesn't work in Roulette. You all don't take into consideration human factor.
Quote from: Ruprekht on Jan 10, 10:19 AM 2012
Because "basic probability" doesn't work in Roulette. You all don't take into consideration human factor.
Can I then please ask you how does the human factor affect the result of what the roulette wheel gives out ?
D1.
Not sure what you mean by 'doesn't work'. It's really just a question of counting the number of times each sequence occurs. Probability theory "predicts" that they'll hit an equal number of times in the long run, and they do.
Quote from: Bayes on Jan 10, 10:49 AM 2012
Not sure what you mean by 'doesn't work'. It's really just a question of counting the number of times each sequence occurs. Probability theory "predicts" that they'll hit an equal number of times in the long run, and they do.
Do you understand difference between "equal number of times" and sequence of their hit? Did you often see the sequence of, for example, 1-2-3 on winning numbers board?
Let us guys concentrate on inventing winning systems instead of pointless debates...
Quote from: Ruprekht on Jan 10, 04:14 PM 2012
Let us guys concentrate on inventing winning systems instead of pointless debates...
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you know Ruprekht, these debates might not be as pointeless as you think......
for the fun of it, i tested betting against the first line (line 1) after a number from that line had come out (going by your argument that 1-2-3 don't come that often)....flat bet....so if 1 or 2 or 3 came out, i'd bet all other lines except line 1.
In 65000 spins it ended at +296u......only thing is i don't think its pratical to seat 30-90 spins without placing a bet :-\
vundarosa
Quote from: Ruprekht on Jan 10, 04:08 PM 2012
Do you understand difference between "equal number of times" and sequence of their hit? Did you often see the sequence of, for example, 1-2-3 on winning numbers board?
You can't judge by what you see in a small sample, or happen to remember. Certain patterns stand out to us more than others. You have to use logic; patterns of the same length will occur the same number of times because the wheel has no memory and (assuming you have no evidence to the contrary) all numbers are equally likely to hit. So after 1 hits the next number is just as likely to be any of the 37 numbers - why should it NOT be 2? and if 2 hits why should the next number NOT be 3?. And because the wheel has no memory the same logic applies no matter what numbers have gone before.
Some people who play the lottery would never pick the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 because they think it's extremely unlikely that this sequence will come up. It is, but no MORE unlikely than any other 'random' looking sequence like 3,7,16,25,29,32,47.
Quote from: vundarosa on Jan 10, 10:54 PM 2012
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if 1 or 2 or 3 came out, i'd bet all other lines except line 1.
vundarosa
Not 1 or 2 or 3!!!! But 1, then 2, then 3. In this strict order.
Quote from: Ruprekht on Jan 10, 10:19 AM 2012
Because "basic probability" doesn't work in Roulette. You all don't take into consideration human factor.
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Hehe Ruprekht
its 101 of probability. You have to go back to school.
Regards
Quote from: Ruprekht on Jan 11, 04:25 AM 2012
Not 1 or 2 or 3!!!! But 1, then 2, then 3. In this strict order.
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i understand what you said...but to be true 123, 231, 312, etc are all equally likely to come out...no matter how rare those event might be.......i just showing one can exploit these rare events to our advantage
vundarosa
Quote from: Rolletti on Apr 11, 06:15 AM 2011
Here I just want to confirm that the system, both ways played is a 87% winner.
played with propper progression after losing a pattern, 100% winner.
Legend. What do u think will happen if everyone how wents to casino to win plays this system??
the vast majority of players will never be psychologically able to play one game then clear off for a while and come back again!! they just wont have the discipline or belief to do it. or generally do what JL appears to do, playing numerous quick games throughout the day,
we get many different sensations from gambling not just winning, if that 'buzz' isnt there they (the vast majority roulette players/gamblers) wont do it, whatever the system or its results.
Quote from: downthehatch on Jan 23, 05:29 PM 2012
the vast majority of players will never be psychologically able to play one game then clear off for a while and come back again!! they just won't have the discipline or belief to do it. or generally do what JL appears to do, playing numerous quick games throughout the day,
we get many different sensations from gambling not just winning, if that 'buzz' isnt there they (the vast majority roulette players/gamblers) won't do it, whatever the system or its results.
Bingo!! :thumbsup:
There has been much interesting debate and clever comments on this thread.
I would like to play the 'Devil's Advocate' here though for a short while.
Once I had a brilliant teacher and mentor, the late and great Mark Sarris, a brilliant businessman, public listed company board member, professional statistician, and exciting roulette player. He came from Austria but in later years was based in Sydney and Brisbane/ Gold Coast in Australia.
As a strict mathematician and statistician he surprised me with his comments on the 'memory threads' of the wheel outcomes.
He had developed a method which was very clever but required spin behaviour that operated within certain range of performance in statistical behaviour. The method failed when there was an excess of repeat numbers. As you know such behaviour clusters, or not.
It seems that in short trends, say 10-50 spin cycles or more, a phase of play can exhibit extraordinary shimmering, mirroring behaviour. To such an extent does this occur that I have a method(s) that under certain (strict) conditions takes advantage of this hot/ warm fuzzy behaviour.
Now such phases would beat Sarris temporarily, but he used the 'memory' of the wheel to know that in due course, again under certain conditions, and about 92% of the time, the statistical aberration would correct and this he called, as many will groan, his 'recovery phase'.
Can repeats be an aspect of 'memory' as they cluster. Can the eventual 'balancing up' be an aspect of a bigger memory. Or are we labelling such random events with human mental characteristics. Is this yet another aspect of our imperfect mental frailty?
However is there such a concrete barrier between our mental patterns and the wheel outcomes. Some believe, and they are not fools, that the mental activity at the wheel can influence outcomes.
Very grey and very fuzzy but is that not the truer nature of life in the random world which is so unknown. It might be foolish to be so certain about anything.
In the thread "New Ideas" I am also exploring some of the frailties of current human thinking as identified by Kahneman.
I personally identify memory traces and wheel outcomes, and do not agree at all that outcomes have no reference to prior outcomes.
Many will disagree I am sure but I would love to hear some debate on this touchy subject.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 05:51 PM 2011
Post you are doing what I KNEW ,people will do. It can't be continuos, you play a game of PB and you get ONE SHOT the VERY FIRST PATTERN FORMED. You will bet it doesn't form as the fourth. GAME OVER. But you have to start a fresh game 30, 40 spins later not keep, betting one after the other [b]ALL 2600 of my recorded games are sessions played apart[/b].
Do you understand this?
JL that is incredible dedication and discipline!!!
Could i ever do that?
Dth
With all the due respect to JL and all the other community members who have been testing JL's system. I've read almost the whole content of this thread, it began quite interesting until the whole "pattern breaking" strategy turned 180° degrees to now play the missing pattern due to somebody else's comment.
In my honest opinion, I don't think random actually has a pattern. If random had a pattern, it wouldn't be "random" anymore. Playing under random's rules mean there is no logic, that anything can happen, and that there's no such thing as a pattern. I tested this system with my spins records of this month and losses exceeded winnings largely. I believe that playing under random's rules is what the house wants us to do.
Although I play a different system (which I already shared in these forums a couple days ago), I will think about new possibilites and variants to this system in order to see some opinions of people that may use this system.
I want to thank all of you guys for keeping this forum as a great place to discuss and share our knowledge in order to reach our common goal.
Quote from: IronSteel on Jan 24, 11:29 PM 2012
With all the due respect to JL and all the other community members who have been testing JL's system. I've read almost the whole content of this thread, it began quite interesting until the whole "pattern breaking" strategy turned 180° degrees to now play the missing pattern due to somebody else's comment.
In my honest opinion, I don't think random actually has a pattern. If random had a pattern, it wouldn't be "random" anymore. Playing under random's rules mean there is no logic, that anything can happen, and that there's no such thing as a pattern. I tested this system with my spins records of this month and losses exceeded winnings largely. I believe that playing under random's rules is what the house wants us to do.
Although I play a different system (which I already shared in these forums a couple days ago), I will think about new possibilites and variants to this system in order to see some opinions of people that may use this system.
I want to thank all of you guys for keeping this forum as a great place to discuss and share our knowledge in order to reach our common goal.
Hi
ive just started using this system and have noticed several times what i think may be other opportunities to bet whilst waiting for the normal 7 patterns to leave one remaining pattern to bet against.
i have actually already bet after patterns have repeated, today HLH HLH HLH, I bet against it appearing a 4th time.
also take this running pattern HHL LHL LLL LLL HLL, what are the chances that this 15 spin (or for that matter any 15 spin pattern) pattern will reappear exactly? Could some sort of progression win you some easy money, (any suggestions please!!!) given that waiting for that elusive 7th pattern can sometimes be quite a wait!
Dth
Hi everyone, I think this is my first post. I just want to say that I'm impressed with thread so far and I have never seen a thread this long before on a gambling forum.
Can someone tell me if this is still reliable? anybody been doing any testing? I will take me days to read every single page.
@IronSteel
Random throws up short term sequences that we interpret as 'patterns'.
These can be 'read' by an experienced player and can offer short term profit.
Trick is to read accurately and learn by trial and error ( the method used to build the cathedrals) to time your entry and exit.
A gain of +8 units or more is adequate per mini-session, and from this growing confidence, further winning bets can be manufactured by using the principle of short term trends, and thus short term profits. Management can ensure you retain most of your profit.
Matrix bet formats are useful in producing quick turnover and well shredded data to break up long losing sequences where possible. My own experience is to use the principle of 'reversal' and turn inside out the standard bet which in the long term may be a losing bet ( most are) and thus where possible ( and it is not always) the bet can be reversed and thus in the long term can be a winning bet.
Such edge can be further enhanced by bringing control of zero into the equation.
I do this by betting on zero with an independent bank whenever zero might influence the matrix outcome.
This success reduces the length of losing sequences. Thus a sensible short stop progression may be applied to this win bet.
By use of Whittacker Progression ( see thread by LuckyLucy) a series of winning outcomes can be established given expertise in operation and size of RB ( say +300 units).
Plenty of food for thought there.
You may also refer to the CommonSense thread to which I have currently been adding which sets out families of winning bets which all have a positive edge when correctly applied.
Note just because your bet has a postive edge that does not mean you will win every outcome. Hence progressions can be useful when understood and managed. They can provide ongoing profit growth.
Disregard some of the nonsense being written by some writers in the Forums who have no understanding of randomness ( some will claim they are experts). No one understands Uncertainty but there are ways to deal with it in short selected sequences, sufficient to show consistent profit growth.
What more do you want? Some writers are just that, and have no practical ability to make consistent profit in roulette.
Best and Good Hunting XXVV
Hi everyone,
Please allow me to interrupt the flow of the post with a short question:
Has anyone observed a PB game producing all 8 patterns in 24 spins for H/L or O/E? 3x8=24
That means no pattern was repeated. Therefore a loosing game.
Thanks.
Quote from: Rolletti on Jan 31, 07:22 AM 2012
Hi everyone,
Please allow me to interrupt the flow of the post with a short question:
Has anyone observed a PB game producing all 8 patterns in 24 spins for H/L or O/E? 3x8=24
That means no pattern was repeated. Therefore a losing game.
Thanks.
Hello Rolleti. It is possible, but not probable. I have never see it in any of my many sessions. The closest I have seen is the full set of 8 in 27 spins.
Quote from: Ruprekht on Jan 10, 10:19 AM 2012
Because "basic probability" doesn't work in Roulette. You all don't take into consideration human factor.
The Human Factor really means the amount of CONTROL you can achieve with your sessions. You can play into randoms hands (LONG SESSIONS) Or put the overall outcome (SHORT SESSIONS) in your favour. Random is random and it will produce its usual ebb and flow regardless of any mechanical system designed to profit from it.
The HUMAN FACTOR that makes the difference is how you approach your assault on it. How you READ and REACT to what is going on. Learning what is possible, likely. And what isnt. And using clever money management to recover and push forward.
Its not a static method opperated in auto-pilot that beats this game consistently. None of the methods I use would work in long sessions. The edge is gained over short bursts of play. And taking up and down the stakes at key times. If for example you have never seen a win loss pattern repeat itself over two unique sessions. You confidence grows to bet against this happening twice in a row in any given calendar day. EXAMPLE...
In your first session of the day you played 4 games that produced this result W,W,L,W. In your second session of the day you could up the stakes on that third game. As it is unlikely to lose. Especially if you know over time and experience that a method like DIVIDE AND CONQUER. Seldom loses more than 2 games out of 20 In any single day. THIS IS THE HUMAN FACTOR. And it makes ALL the difference to your success and profit margin with this game.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 22/03/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 3,000
TOTAL GAMES WON 2,778
TOTAL GAMES LOST 222
STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1
BALANCE 3,763 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 2
This remains my best self created method. Having reached 3,000 games played the strikerate is as solid as granite. I have epxerienced a second double loss. But at this stage in the game its of little signifigance. I am at a place where negative figures simply arent possible. Positive and consistent results are assured as long as you maintain my recommended 5 x 2 per day play with this method.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 22/05/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 3,600
TOTAL GAMES WON 3,323
TOTAL GAMES LOST 277
STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1
BALANCE 4,193 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 2
The consistency of PATTERN BREAKER remains solid as a rock for just a 7 unit buy in. Its hard to beat. Next update at 4,200 games played.
JL are you still playing against the last pattern? or FOR?
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 22, 03:50 PM 2012
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 22/05/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 3,600
TOTAL GAMES WON 3,323
TOTAL GAMES LOST 277
STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1
BALANCE 4,193 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 2
The consistency of PATTERN BREAKER remains solid as a rock for just a 7 unit buy in. Its hard to beat. Next update at 4,200 games played.
Great results JL! Thank you for sharing. Here is what I played last night at the casino at 7:00pm. It covers a many of the methods, but I wanted to share to see if this fits in the framework of HIT & RUN and you see it?
Game 1: HH
LL - P4: Won on 3rd +5 units
Game 2:
3B3A - Code 4: Won on 1st +5 units
Game 3:
3C2A - Hybrid Code 4: Won on 1st +5 units (still testing)
Game 4:
3XXX - Reverse Code 4 Attack: Won on 1st +10 units (still testing)
Game 5: 2
33 - D&C: Won on 1st +5
The time was short last night as I won on the 1st spin 4 out of the 5 times. I have 6 tables to pick from and randomly do so as I walk in keeping it as random as the game. The results I shared with you have come from this approach and just looking for your thought and ideas?
Quote from: Rolletti on May 23, 05:35 AM 2012
JL are you still playing against the last pattern? or FOR?
Hello Rolletti always against the pattern for one game.
Quote from: Chauncy47 on May 23, 01:44 PM 2012
Great results JL! Thank you for sharing. Here is what I played last night at the casino at 7:00pm. It covers a many of the methods, but I wanted to share to see if this fits in the framework of HIT & RUN and you see it?
Game 1: HHLL - P4: Won on 3rd +5 units
Game 2: 3B3A - Code 4: Won on 1st +5 units
Game 3: 3C2A - Hybrid Code 4: Won on 1st +5 units (still testing)
Game 4: 3XXX - Reverse Code 4 Attack: Won on 1st +10 units (still testing)
Game 5: 233 - D&C: Won on 1st +5
The time was short last night as I won on the 1st spin 4 out of the 5 times. I have 6 tables to pick from and randomly do so as I walk in keeping it as random as the game. The results I shared with you have come from this approach and just looking for your thought and ideas?
Exactly right Chauncy47. I play three or four methods at the same sitting. If only more could get this. Winning would become second nature.
Interesting to note how in london casinos activity on the outside of the table is far far greater than casinos down south of uk. D+C plays very rare where i am based.
On some visits the croupier thinks your new to roulette if you only buy cash chips and no colour !!
Quote from: Chauncy47 on May 23, 01:44 PM 2012
Great results JL! Thank you for sharing. Here is what I played last night at the casino at 7:00pm. It covers a many of the methods, but I wanted to share to see if this fits in the framework of HIT & RUN and you see it?
Game 1: HHLL - P4: Won on 3rd +5 units
Game 2: 3B3A - Code 4: Won on 1st +5 units
Game 3: 3C2A - Hybrid Code 4: Won on 1st +5 units (still testing)
Game 4: 3XXX - Reverse Code 4 Attack: Won on 1st +10 units (still testing)
Game 5: 233 - D&C: Won on 1st +5
The time was short last night as I won on the 1st spin 4 out of the 5 times. I have 6 tables to pick from and randomly do so as I walk in keeping it as random as the game. The results I shared with you have come from this approach and just looking for your thought and ideas?
--The only way to win.Several methods and so many tables.
Even if you wish you couldn't lose.Who showed you my way...LOL
Quote from: dino246 on May 24, 11:59 AM 2012
Interesting to note how in london casinos activity on the outside of the table is far far greater than casinos down south of uk. D+C plays very rare where i am based.
On some visits the croupier thinks your new to roulette if you only buy cash chips and no colour !!
The wrong chain of thought runs through the entire industry. And it always will 99.9 of people have to have sheep mentality so the smart 0.01 percent can cream off regular profits.
Speaking of "pattern breakers", here's a good one that's been around for fifty years.
The wheel throws R R B B R B....
"Force" the wheel to hit those exact colors in the exact order. Use Marty 1 2 4 8 16 32...
Or use e/o big/little.......
Or combine them. Just make the wheel repeat for six spins. No waiting, no writing, no coding.
You can literally win dollars for hours on end.
No, it's not mine and, yes, it's re-hashed, but I didn't mention my wife!
Oops!! I did....
TwoCat
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 24, 01:36 PM 2012
Speaking of "pattern breakers", here's a good one that's been around for fifty years.
The wheel throws R R B B R B....
"Force" the wheel to hit those exact colors in the exact order. Use Marty 1 2 4 8 16 32...
Or use e/o big/little.......
Or combine them. Just make the wheel repeat for six spins. No waiting, no writing, no coding.
You can literally win dollars for hours on end.
No, it's not mine and, yes, it's re-hashed, but I didn't mention my wife!
Oops!! I did....
TwoCat
Thats where everyone goes wrong Sam ***HOURS ON END*** Until that is realized nothing will ever change, and with human nature being what it is. Nothing will ever change.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 24, 01:36 PM 2012
Speaking of "pattern breakers", here's a good one that's been around for fifty years.
The wheel throws R R B B R B....
"Force" the wheel to hit those exact colors in the exact order. Use Marty 1 2 4 8 16 32...
Or use e/o big/little.......
Or combine them. Just make the wheel repeat for six spins. No waiting, no writing, no coding.
You can literally win dollars for hours on end.
No, it's not mine and, yes, it's re-hashed, but I didn't mention my wife!
Oops!! I did....
TwoCat
True that no other bet selection is better or produce better results.
You see RBB you play RBB is 1 in 8 or you see RBB and play BRR is 1 in 8.
Very solid selection and the spreed is up to you 3456789 and so on.
The one thing i don't understand and that all beginners do is rise the bet size to much.
1 1 1 2 2 3 do just fine as a start as you don't need to win every single bet.
Quote from: ego on May 24, 02:21 PM 2012
True that no other bet selection is better or produce better results.
You see RBB you play RBB is 1 in 8 or you see RBB and play BRR is 1 in 8.
Very solid selection and the spread is up to you 3456789 and so on.
The one thing i don't understand and that all beginners do is rise the bet size to much.
1 1 1 2 2 3 do just fine as a start as you don't need to win every single bet.
The mind is ALWAYS the weak link in the chain ego. If it werent this game would be done long ago. Humans are greedy this we know. If its gambling they think they are owed easy money. No need to work hard at it. There lies the fatal mistake. You must work hard very hard. Most simply arent up to the task. They want the gold without doing the digging.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 24, 02:28 PM 2012
The mind is ALWAYS the weak link in the chain ego. If it werent this game would be done long ago. Humans are greedy this we know. If its gambling they think they are owed easy money. No need to work hard at it. There lies the fatal mistake. You must work hard very hard. Most simply aren't up to the task. They want the gold without doing the digging.
One thing you can be assured about is that nobody will ever find a way to win consistently over the long haul by accident. Kind of reassuring from the casino's point of view anyhow.
Quote from: flukey luke on May 24, 02:36 PM 2012
One thing you can be assured about is that nobody will ever find a way to win consistently over the long haul by accident. Kind of reassuring from the casino's point of view anyhow.
The ways to win are sitting all over this forum. The mindset to play them properly isnt Flukey. Thats the bottom line.
Ego, that the progression recommended in the kindle book i downloaded "real world blackjack" by john lucas.
He doesnt even recomend a double win as a 2 step in the first three 1-1-1. Double up does count as 2 in the 2-2-3-3 parts
Ive done just fine....£55 from 5 chips last week (Grosvenor land casino), £25 from £10 and £120 from £40 on William hill live dealer online.
Quote from: turnerfeck on May 24, 03:23 PM 2012
Ego, that the progression recommended in the kindle book i downloaded "real world blackjack" by john lucas.
He doesn't even recomend a double win as a 2 step in the first three 1-1-1. Double up does count as 2 in the 2-2-3-3 parts
hi turnerfeck - not sure i get you here, do you mean 2 wins in the 1-1-1 means go to 2-3-3?
cheers
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 24, 02:28 PM 2012
They want the gold without doing the digging.
The "digging" is almost always necessary for a success, but it is never sufficient. That requires a knack or talent for where to dig how deep.
But there are some pretty-deep "holes" on sites like this. Maybe they play roulette in China, i don't know.
Quote from: GARNabby on May 24, 06:19 PM 2012
The "digging" is almost always necessary for a success, but it is never sufficient. That requires a knack or talent for where to dig how deep.
But there are some pretty-deep "holes" on sites like this. Maybe they play roulette in China, i don't know.
No Garnabby thats where you have lost the plot. The understanding that playing Hit and Run in its purest form SINGULAR GAMES is superior to stting there waiting for the inevitble loss. Is the first thing you must digest. Until then there is no starting point for longterm success in my experience. My CODE 4 first game results prove this to be true. only 6 times in more than 3,300 games. Have I landed on a losing game. You could never sit there for 3,300 games and only lose 6 of them. Bayes, Superman, Sam none of them could argue with that. But they still cannot see Hit and runs Value. Or more to the point dont want to. As once again its a slap in the face for all maths based thinking.
John
See my post at the other thread. I'm always open-minded.
Sam
jhon, I appreciate your posts, but its not a slap of the face of math thinkers. you call it hit and run but you won because it just happen that you might entered the game during the winning streak.
Lets divide your game (turbo mode as example, You can applicate it to any mode) in Time-Space domain:
-Time domain: lets T1 T2 T3... Tn represent the time of n successive spins, in between there is a DELTA T = T(p)-T(p+q) where things goes wrong it might be at any length, you just sometime happend that you entred the game ( for 1 or 2 bets) just before Tp or after DELTA+ Tp. but sooner or later you would catch it.
-Space domain: this another point which nobody here mentioned : the STARTING POINT, meaning this :
the marquee number were for example :
4
10
27
9
12
19
28
21
5
if you entred the game at number 4 : your code 4 would be
1A3C
1A3C
which is obviously a losing starting point.
but if your starting point was next number which is 10 your code would be totaly different :
1c1c
2a2b
which is totaly a winning STRATING POINT.
Quote from: justanothergambler on May 26, 08:19 AM 2012
jhon, I appreciate your posts, but its not a slap of the face of math thinkers. you call it hit and run but you won because it just happen that you might entered the game during the winning streak.
Lets divide your game (turbo mode as example, You can applicate it to any mode) in Time-Space domain:
-Time domain: lets T1 T2 T3... Tn represent the time of n successive spins, in between there is a DELTA T = T(p)-T(p+q) where things goes wrong it might be at any length, you just sometime happend that you entred the game ( for 1 or 2 bets) just before Tp or after DELTA+ Tp. but sooner or later you would catch it.
-Space domain: this another point which nobody here mentioned : the STARTING POINT, meaning this :
the marquee number were for example :
4
10
25
9
12
19
28
21
5
if you entred the game at number 4 : your code 4 would be
1A3C
1A3C
which is obviously a losing starting point.
but if your starting point was next number which is 10 your code would be totaly different :
1c1c
2a2b
which is totaly a winning STRATING POINT.
Justanaothergambler, I know fully I am going to lose at some point. What I say to you and everyone else is its just going to be less than if I sat there for even 20 continous games each session. My results have shown me that the longer you leave the gate open the more overall losses you will collect. Bayes accuses me of contradicting myself. To the contrary. PERFECT TIMING BAYES is HIT AND RUN itself. that's what I've been saying all along. My results show that you are far less likely to land on a loss over a large sample of singular games. Than you will collect if you even played 20 game sessions.
And that's why its going to garner the faithful longterm success.
agree jhon with you way of play! continuous will always catch up.
thats working then its true untill proven otherwise.
good luck mate
QuotePERFECT TIMING BAYES is HIT AND RUN itself
Do you mean luck?
It's been agreed that if you sit playing for too long you will hit a loss, we know this, but you still cannot tell everyone where this PERFECT TIMING is found/worked out, it's pure luck that you don't hit a loss the instant you sit down, so don't call it timing unless you can explain how you work out your timing, this is where all your "grails" fall down for everyone else, oops sorry, you did say theres 3 of you now with perfect timing.
Quote from: superman on May 26, 08:37 AM 2012
Do you mean luck?
It's been agreed that if you sit playing for too long you will hit a loss, we know this, but you still cannot tell everyone where this PERFECT TIMING is found/worked out, it's pure luck that you don't hit a loss the instant you sit down, so don't call it timing unless you can explain how you work out your timing, this is where all your "grails" fall down for everyone else, oops sorry, you did say theres 3 of you now with perfect timing.
Superman, maybe PERFECT TIMING is too strong a term. THE BEST TIMING. Would be more apt. Its simply the best way to offset profit destroying losses. That I've ever seen. They don't fall down Superman because they aren't being played properly by the majority. You are a prime example ever ready to knock me and HIT AND RUN. But you lack the conviction and staying power as do most to REALLY FIND OUT.
And its the ones who have the staying power. Who will show positive numbers. They might not always be as good as mine but positive numbers they will be.
Yeah JL
Like Bettor 110/1 strike rate reported here - barely breaking even... but you will dismiss it as not playing your style.
There is simply no arguing with you - intriseco ran a simulation here of CODE4 played hit and run showing just average results but it was of course not the way how you play it.
Lets close the book on your methods - they work 4 you 4 some reason.... Great
We are just wasting our time here.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 26, 09:36 AM 2012
Yeah JL
Like Bettor 110/1 strike rate reported here - barely breaking even... but you will dismiss it as not playing your style.
There is simply no arguing with you - intriseco ran a simulation here of CODE4 played hit and run showing just average results but it was of course not the way how you play it.
Lets close the book on your methods - they work 4 you 4 some reason.... Great
We just wasting our time here.
Regards
Robeenhuut you are becoming bitter. What do you want me to say? Did Intriseco garner those results by going to several tables in a casino or online. Did he put in a year plus of dedicated play to garner over 7,500 real results? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? If he did he has something to say to me. As does Bettor27. You fold Robeenhuut. You bend. You don't stay the course. Then you take a simulation which is not roulette in any shape or form understand that fast. And try to nonsense my hard work with it. All cop outs will do that. You want to perpetuate the myth this games for fools, go ahead.
The people who put the work in and PM me with positive results tell me another story. And by the way even if it were 110/1 that's positive numbers Robeenhuut. 80/1 is your risk. So I am getting 299/1 at present that means I am a liar. At the end of the day you will do what you do and believe what you believe. I don't kid myself about that. But until someone collects their results in the same manner I collect mine what comparison have we really got??
Theres no room for lazy people in this game that needs to be realized fast.
Hello Jl
Im tired of arguing with you and i will give you benefit of the doubt ;D
Just 2 questions - what happened 2 your second update of Code 4 Reverse Attack?
As far as i can remember you reported 3 or 4 loses in 30 or 40 games. I can not find it.
And whats your comment on testing results of your last method? I reported positive
figures but i cover 0. What about other guys?
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 26, 10:12 AM 2012
Hello Jl
I'm tired of arguing with you and i will give you benefit of the doubt ;D
Just 2 questions - what happened 2 your second update of Code 4 Reverse Attack?
As far as i can remember you reported 3 or 4 loses in 30 or 40 games. I can not find it.
And what's your comment on testing results of your last method? I reported positive
figures but i cover 0. What about other guys?
Regards
I have updated the thread I lost 5 games in the last hundred. Disappointing but its early days and still positive numbers whch is all that matters.
I've been thinking on this system and suggest (I understand PB is on Ophis' MST Tracker)
you have some 15 or 20 types of even chance selections undergoing the Pattern Breaker process. This way a bettor can have faster triggers and know exactly which even chance selection is winning the most at the moment.
---15 or 20 types of even chance selections: there are all kinds of ways to divide 36 numbers into two halves.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 03, 01:10 AM 2012
I've been thinking on this system and suggest (I understand PB is on Ophis' MST Tracker)
you have some 15 or 20 types of even chance selections undergoing the Pattern Breaker process. This way a bettor can have faster triggers and know exactly which even chance selection is winning the most at the moment.
---15 or 20 types of even chance selections: there are all kinds of ways to divide 36 numbers into two halves.
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great thinking :thumbsup:
vundarosa
I also would like to present the idea of a Pattern Breaker tracker that allows you to choose four or five of your favorite even chance selections: odd/even high/low red/black, 18 number right of zero vs the remainder...then creates more even chance bet selections continuously based on 18 unique numbers vs the other half (as new spin values come in). The tracker should be able to save the previous spins from past games for use in new sessions.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 03, 01:26 PM 2012
I also would like to present the idea of a Pattern Breaker tracker that allows you to choose four or five of your favorite even chance selections: odd/even high/low red/black, 18 number right of zero vs the remainder...then creates more even chance bet selections continuously based on 18 unique numbers vs the other half (as new spin values come in). The tracker should be able to save the previous spins from past games for use in new sessions.
I dont know what this love affair with trackers is. The best tracker is you pencil and paper. And just marvel at randoms difficulty in filling the missing link on the spot an average of 12/1 Hit and Run. Including first game winning streaks over 50.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 08, 01:37 PM 2012
I don't know what this love affair with trackers is. The best tracker is you pencil and paper. And just marvel at randoms difficulty in filling the missing link on the spot an average of 12/1 Hit and Run. Including first game winning streaks over 50.
Trackers are for bettors that can play at a trustworthy casino online. My aim is to make
Pattern Breaker more efficient---instead of just one trigger, having 10 or 15 triggers (in which the tracker would show you the most profitable one atm.)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 08, 07:07 PM 2012
Trackers are for bettors that can play at a trustworthy casino online. My aim is to make Pattern Breaker more efficient---instead of just one trigger, having 10 or 15 triggers (in which the tracker would show you the most profitable one atm.)
10 to 15 triggers at once isnt possible Proof. Since there are three even chances. I play High Low and Odd Even simultaneously. And its rare to lose them both in the same session. that's the power of the method that rock solid consistency.
Contrary to mass thinking you don't even have to have a statistical/mathematical edge with a method to profit. You have to identify something that happens so rarely you can raise stakes dramatically to recover loss and end the day in profit overall. Example
Pattern breaker requires seven wins to match every loss to level stakes. But even if I have a day when it only delivers 4/1 or 5/1 I will profit by raising stakes on the second game. This power point in a method is vastly underrated and passed up.
As soon as most players don't consistently win a lot more than they are risking with a method. They drop it. I have a first game winning streak with Pattern Breaker of 53 now and counting. that's another area of thought overlooked. The point I'm making is simple. It is possible to profit from this game. Even when your strikerate is in negative figures. This thinking about the necessity to have an edge is vastly overrated at the expense of consistent overall progress.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 09, 02:54 AM 2012
10 to 15 triggers at once isnt possible Proof. Since there are three even chances. I play High Low and Odd Even simultaneously. And its rare to lose them both in the same session. that's the power of the method that rock solid consistency.
Contrary to mass thinking you don't even have to have a statistical/mathematical edge with a method to profit. You have to identify something that happens so rarely you can raise stakes dramatically to recover loss and end the day in profit overall. Example
Pattern breaker requires seven wins to match every loss to level stakes. But even if I have a day when it only delivers 4/1 or 5/1 I will profit by raising stakes on the second game. This power point in a method is vastly underrated and passed up.
As soon as most players don't consistently win a lot more than they are risking with a method. They drop it. I have a first game winning streak with Pattern Breaker of 53 now and counting. that's another area of thought overlooked. The point I'm making is simple. It is possible to profit from this game. Even when your strikerate is in negative figures. This thinking about the necessity to have an edge is vastly overrated at the expense of consistent overall progress.
Hello
Sorry i can not help commenting on it ;D I finally figured your winning formula.
Let me summarize it. Play any system few times. If your strike rate is better than average expected - in PB 7/1 then you pocket your profit. If not you go home a winner 2 by simply raising your stakes after losing a game. You just identified something that happens so rarely like
HLH
HLH
HLH for example...
that you r always ahead. Patience, mindset is all you need. Statistical edge is absolutely irrelevant. Double loses just hardly ever happen in your roulette universe.
I guess we just live in 2 different worlds O0
Good luck pursuing your dream
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 09, 03:56 AM 2012
Hello
Sorry i can not help commenting on it ;D I finally figured your winning formula.
Let me summarize it. Play any system few times. If your strike rate is better than average expected - in PB 7/1 then you pocket your profit. If not you go home a winner 2 by simply raising your stakes after losing a game. You just identified something that happens so rarely like
HLH
HLH
HLH for example...
that you're always ahead. Patience, mindset is all you need. Statistical edge is absolutely irrelevant. Double loses just hardly ever happen in your roulette universe.
I guess we just live in 2 different worlds O0
Good luck pursuing your dream
Robeenhuut. Its no dream that's what you have to come to realize. I know from the way you write on here. Your mind it firmly placed at the shrine of Einsteins theories. Not a bad place to be. But not a good one either. If you have aspirations for winning at this game.
You are not getting what I'm saying here at all. Maybe you can't. I understand that. Certain people are so saturated in math theory. They will never be able to break free from it. I was never in it to start with. I only care about winning. Not how I arrive at the point of winning. That's the difference.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 09, 04:04 AM 2012
Robeenhuut. Its no dream that's what you have to come to realize. I know from the way you write on here. Your mind it firmly placed at the shrine of Einsteins theories. Not a bad place to be. But not a good one either. If you have aspirations for winning at this game.
You are not getting what I'm saying here at all. Maybe you can't. I understand that. Certain people are so saturated in math theory. They will never be able to break free from it. I was never in it to start with. I only care about winning. Not how I arrive at the point of winning. That's the difference.
Hello John
I just love 2 argue with u. I guess that we will have 2 use math after all 2 find out who is right ;D No need 2 be Albert. Just simple testing. Paper n pen. I know you hate technology. Actually me 2 ;D Its not hit n run anymore. What do u say?
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 09, 05:08 AM 2012
Hello John
I just love 2 argue with u. I guess that we will have 2 use math after all 2 find out who is right ;D No need 2 be Albert. Just simple testing. Paper n pen. I know you hate technology. Actually me 2 ;D Its not hit n run anymore. What do u say?
Regards
I say play the game honestly. Be true to yourself. And forget you ever heard of math. If I have 53 consecutive wins now for the first game of the day. And logic/math whatever you want to call it says I shouldnt be getting more than 7. You know math doesn't explain randoms behaviour at all.. Random entry HIT AND RUN. In its purest form ONE GAME STOP. Produces superior results to stay and play all day. Of that there is no question in my mind.
The only way to play a bigger volume of games in one day and walk away a winner is the avenue I am now pursuing. FRAME BETTING. Then you have random under a microscope. You have it framed, cornered. You will see what it does at its best and at its worst. From that analysis. You will see a way to win. Or at least I will. And you will forget about this other maths nonsense. Flat bets VS progression. The only outcome you should be interested in is WINNING. Profit. How you arrive there should make no difference.
We, (even I am guilty of this recently) try to appease the maths brigade. By trying to win by their purist agenda. CONTINOUS BETTING AND FLAT BETTING. They know already its can't work. So they insist on those stipulations to prove we can't beat this game longterm. And they are right. But we CAN BEAT THIS GAME. Once we throw away the maths book. And that's what I do. And some others have come to the realization they can do it too. Until more do the same. Losing will always be their best friend. Then they become a Drazen Cro. or Qwerty or Superman. Pessimists till their dying day.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 09, 05:24 AM 2012
I say play the game honestly. Be true to yourself. And forget you ever heard of math. If I have 53 consecutive wins now for the first game of the day. And logic/math whatever you want to call it says I shouldnt be getting more than 7. You know math doesn't explain randoms behaviour at all.. Random entry HIT AND RUN. In its purest form ONE GAME STOP. Produces superior results to stay and play all day. Of that there is no question in my mind.
The only way to play a bigger volume of games in one day and walk away a winner is the avenue I am now pursuing. FRAME BETTING. Then you have random under a microscope. You have it framed, cornered. You will see what it does at its best and at its worst. From that analysis. You will see a way to win. Or at least I will. And you will forget about this other maths nonsense. Flat bets VS progression. The only outcome you should be interested in is WINNING. Profit. How you arrive there should make no difference.
We, (even I am guilty of this recently) try to appease the maths brigade. By trying to win by their purist agenda. CONTINOUS BETTING AND FLAT BETTING. They know already its can't work. So they insist on those stipulations to prove we can't beat this game longterm. And they are right. But we CAN BEAT THIS GAME. Once we throw away the maths book. And that's what I do. And some others have come to the realization they can do it too. Until more do the same. Losing will always be their best friend. Then they become a Drazen Cro. or Qwerty or Superman. Pessimists till their dying day.
We can debate whole year here John. I suggested testing your new method n i guess your answer is no. Without real testing we can only determine here who has a better debating skills ;D n ingles is just my 3rd language. So i let u off d hook here.
U have enough doubters ;D
Good luck
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 09, 05:47 AM 2012
We can debate whole year here John. I suggested testing your new method n i guess your answer is no. Without real testing we can only determine here who has a better debating skills ;D n ingles is just my 3rd language. So i let u off d hook here.
You have enough doubters ;D
Good luck
Robeenhuut, I have enough doubters? I have news for you. I knew even before I ever made a single post on this forum or any forum. I would always be in the tiny minority. And I always will. You keep failing to understand that I don't care. I didn't come here to change your mind Robeenhuut. You are a maths based thinker. You will never change. As won't the likes of Bayes, Superman, Drazen Cro. And too many others to mention. You are already over with this game.
I fully understand that. I came here for the kind of thinker Chauncy47 is. Even better than me by far. This guy got in his car and drove to a casino for 6 months just to test, to show himself. It can be done. Now he is doing it for real. If its already in you. You are going to win at this game. If not. Nothing I say or bring to this forum will make the slightest bit of difference. Remember
MATRIX VERTICAL 5. It was/is as close to a playable holy grail as will EVER be conceived by the human mind. But because it wasn't fast. As a grail never can be. It was passed up and forgotten by everyone. Even I let it go. But I never forget it exists. And will always work IF the right people could stay with it.
THE RIGHT PEOPLE. Now theres a thing. Even Superman was worried. His bot nearly spoke to him.
I confirm that code 20 system is a disaster!(my post has been cancelled)
On the other hand I must confess that "Pattern breaker" is much better.
Of course maths kill it,but because it's more related to statistics,I think that this system belong to "solid and resistent systems".
I 'm a bit disappointed due to Mr.Ore tests,but is it really useful test the systems on 50 thousands or more spins?
All systems fail....
50000 spins means in a real Casino,Montecarlo for example, 2000 hours or 1000 days at the table(2 hours a day,more for me it's impossible).
I've played for several years the following similar system and I was very happy(for a gambler means to be just a bit positif!)
The approach was:
-what's the probability in 24 spins to see the eight patterns of 3 spins?(Mr. Ore please,thanks for calculation)
-I bet on the repeat of one of the previous patterns of three.
If you have(Red/BlacK): RRB,BBR,BRR, BB....now I play Red(repeat of the second
previous pattern)
-The problem is if you have RRR,RRB,RR....what do you play now Red or Black?I used to play for the repeat of most recent one(Black in this case),but after deep analysis I played like that:I track 12 spins BBR,BBR,RBR,BRB.In vertical is better,so:
BBR
BBR
RBR
BRB
Now I look at the first column(3 Black 1 Red) and I play the dominant colour(B),the same in second column(B),in third column I play Red(dominant)
After three spins I cancell the first line(BBR) and I bet with the same criteria.,having all the time under control the last 12 spins.If 2 Black and 2 Red,NO bet!
I used to play flat bet or POSITIVE progression(Guetting)
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 09, 06:06 AM 2012
I confirm that code 20 system is a disaster!(my post has been cancelled)
On the other hand I must confess that "Pattern breaker" is much better.
Of course maths kill it,but because it's more related to statistics,I think that this system belong to "solid and resistent systems".
I 'm a bit disappointed due to Mr.Ore tests,but is it really useful test the systems on 50 thousands or more spins?
All systems fail....
50000 spins means in a real Casino,Montecarlo for example, 2000 hours or 1000 days at the table(2 hours a day,more for me it's impossible).
I've played for several years the following similar system and I was very happy(for a gambler means to be just a bit positif!)
The approach was:
-what's the probability in 24 spins to see the eight patterns of 3 spins?(Mr. Ore please,thanks for calculation)
-I bet on the repeat of one of the previous patterns of three.
If you have(Red/BlacK): RRB,BBR,BRR, BB....now I play Red(repeat of the second
previous pattern)
-The problem is if you have RRR,RRB,RR....what do you play now Red or Black?I used to play for the repeat of most recent one(Black in this case),but after deep analysis I played like that:I track 12 spins BBR,BBR,RBR,BRB.In vertical is better,so:
BBR
BBR
RBR
BRB
Now I look at the first column(3 Black 1 Red) and I play the dominant colour(B),the same in second column(B),in third column I play Red(dominant)
After three spins I cancell the first line(BBR) and I bet with the same criteria.,having all the time under control the last 12 spins.If 2 Black and 2 Red,NO bet!
I used to play flat bet or POSITIVE progression(Guetting)
Are you talking to me Beretta?. If so I never confirmed any such thing. Also I don't advocate betting on red and black in any Pattern breaker based method. Its results are inferior to HIGH LOW----ODD EVEN. Here you are playing the layout of the wheel. And the layout for red and black indeed influences the results.
Hi beretta,
The original code20 thread is locked and of course JL has already announced it was a hoax to bait the maths/naysayers. The real code20 is played with opposite rules which are soon to be posted in a new thread. I can tell you - it looks something special too! :)
A.
I used R/B just as exemple.
The same approach is valid for High/Low and,as you say,it will be better
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 09, 06:22 AM 2012
I used R/B just as exemple.
The same approach is valid for High/Low and,as you say,it will be better
It WILL BE. Be sure of that. But the way to play PATTERN BREAKER. Any method based around its concept. Is HIGH LOW/ODD EVEN Simultaneously. The real strength of this method. The powerpoint that's been overlooked. It the rarity of DOUBLE LOSSES. So certain am I that if I lose one I will win the other. I will put at least three times the stake on the second to qualify following a loss.
To recover about 50% of that loss very quickly. By doing so. Even if PATTERN BREAKER. Gave me less than 7/1 over a 500 game pool of play. I will still emerge in profit. That's how you win at this game. By identifying something that hardly ever happens. Its the ONLY WAY. And something the maths boys don't want you to know about.
I agree that the good way of plaiyng is looking for something that hardly ever happens.
It's the principle of the system I posted here above:playing against all the 8 patterns of three spins appearing in a row in 24 spins
Compared to your Pattern Breaker is faster,you spend less time at the table.
Is it as valid as Pattern Breaker?
Your opinion?
Thanks
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 09, 07:19 AM 2012
I agree that the good way of plaiyng is looking for something that hardly ever happens.
It's the principle of the system I posted here above:playing against all the 8 patterns of three spins appearing in a row in 24 spins
Compared to your Pattern Breaker is faster,you spend less time at the table.
Is it as valid as Pattern Breaker?
Your opinion?
Thanks
Yes it is very valid. Elaborate/ EXPLAIN in greater detail how you would play it. I am always open to new suggestions if I see that they represent a real positive improvement.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 09, 06:04 AM 2012
Robeenhuut, I have enough doubters? I have news for you. I knew even before I ever made a single post on this forum or any forum. I would always be in the tiny minority. And I always will. You keep failing to understand that I don't care. I didn't come here to change your mind Robeenhuut. You are a maths based thinker. You will never change. As won't the likes of Bayes, Superman, Drazen Cro. And too many others to mention. You are already over with this game.
I fully understand that. I came here for the kind of thinker Chauncy47 is. Even better than me by far. This guy got in his car and drove to a casino for 6 months just to test, to show himself. It can be done. Now he is doing it for real. If its already in you. You are going to win at this game. If not. Nothing I say or bring to this forum will make the slightest bit of difference. Remember
MATRIX VERTICAL 5. It was/is as close to a playable holy grail as will EVER be conceived by the human mind. But because it wasn't fast. As a grail never can be. It was passed up and forgotten by everyone. Even I let it go. But I never forget it exists. And will always work IF the right people could stay with it.
THE RIGHT PEOPLE. Now theres a thing. Even Superman was worried. His bot nearly spoke to him.
Matrix Vertical 5? Who remembers that? Ended in dustbin. Not because it was slow but it did not work period. Like all matrices - either EC, DZ, CL or mixed. And 4 the 3rd time what about independent testing of your stuff? I guess no.... What about Reversed Code 4 attack?
We tested it and most people reported less positive results than u. What can you say about it?
I guess we never going 2 get a straight answer from u.
Just d same mantra about your crusade against math boys and virtues of patience and right frame of mind.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 09, 08:26 AM 2012
Matrix Vertical 5? Who remembers that? Ended in dustbin. Not because it was slow but it did not work period. Like all matrices - either EC, DZ, CL or mixed. And 4 the 3rd time what about independent testing of your stuff? I guess no.... What about Reversed Code 4 attack?
We tested it and most people reported less positive results than u. What can you say about it?
I guess we never going 2 get a straight answer from u.
Just d same mantra about your crusade against math boys and virtues of patience and right frame of mind.
You are joking Robeenhuut. Matrix 5 will win until the end of time. And what about what?. I have givien my results. And am still testing it. No one stays with a method longer than me from what Ive seen on here apart from a few like Warrior. And Chauncy47. Who are made of th right stuff.
Atlantis I dont really know because he is constantly morphing and changing methods. What happens to the rest of you is you test something for a poultry 100 games or so then declare it a failure if it lost. You call that testing?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 09, 11:03 AM 2012
You are joking Robeenhuut. Matrix 5 will win until the end of time. And what about what?. I have givien my results. And am still testing it. No one stays with a method longer than me from what I've seen on here apart from a few like Warrior. And Chauncy47. Who are made of the right stuff.
Atlantis I don't really know because he is constantly morphing and changing methods. What happens to the rest of you is you test something for a poultry 100 games or so then declare it a failure if it lost. You call that testing?
Ok then lets test it more. There is plenty of data here posted. I just asked u 3 times 2 test yr systems n u tell me now that i have not done enough testing? So Warrior n Chauncy47 can you give us some figures?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 09, 11:36 AM 2012
Ok then lets test it more. There is plenty of data here posted. I just asked u 3 times 2 test yr systems n u tell me now that i have not done enough testing? So Warrior n Chauncy47 can you give us some figures?
Well ask them. And I will tell you something else. The MATRIX VERTICAL concept is about to make a comeback. I've found the best way to execute it. For realistic turnover. And solid strikerate. AMKs alternating dozens and columns. Have yet again. Shown how special they are.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 09, 01:15 PM 2012
Well ask them. And I will tell you something else. The MATRIX VERTICAL concept is about to make a comeback. I've found the best way to execute it. For realistic turnover. And solid strikerate. AMKs alternating dozens and column. Have yet again. Shown how special they are.
Remember John. Make provisions 4 12 steps. You thought 8 was a limit but randomness is stubborn n it can go 12 ;D Like a good scotch. I hope that u like a good one.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 09, 01:19 PM 2012
Remember John. Make provisions 4 12 steps. You thought 8 was a limit but randomness is stubborn n it can go 12 ;D Like a good scotch. I hope that u like a good one.
Robeenhuut what method are you referring to???
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 09, 01:24 PM 2012
Robeenhuut what method are you referring to???
Not Matrix Vertical of some sort?. Ok maybe i was wrong. I thought that in one of yr matrix systems u did not see more than 8 vertical reps? Sorry my head is spinning already from all yr matrices ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 09, 01:29 PM 2012
Not Matrix Vertical of some sort?. Ok maybe i was wrong. I thought that in one of yr matrix systems u did not see more than 8 vertical reps? Sorry my head is spinning already from all yr matrices ;D
Yes I tried a method called Matrix vertical 8. It wasn't as good as I had hoped. What I propose is a different ball game. Its using the alternating dozens and columns. And I think it will work a lot better, Because in all my test results. Its rare to even see three consecutive triples in a row. And out of all this testing. I think this will become the strongest of them all.
When something fails I say so. When it works I also say so. CODE 4 REVERSE. Isnt performing as I had hoped. But its still in positive numbers. A winner is a winner. But you all want grails that's where it goes wrong.
And I have been testing this on RNG in play mode albeit. And its working as good as live. So this could be a very special one.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 09, 01:33 PM 2012
Yes I tried a method called Matrix vertical 8. It wasn't as good as I had hoped. What I propose is a different ball game. Its using the alternating dozens and columns. And I think it will work a lot better, Because in all my test results. Its rare to even see three consecutive triples in a row. And out of all this testing. I think this will become the strongest of them all.
When something fails I say so. When it works I also say so. CODE 4 REVERSE. Isnt performing as I had hoped. But its still in positive numbers. A winner is a winner. But you all want grails that's where it goes wrong.
Like always u exaggerate a bit John. U can accuse me of lots of things like being a math guy but i can take a profit in a grinding way 2 n we both know that a chance of getting HG on a platter here is as big as getting 37 unique # in 37 spins ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 09, 01:44 PM 2012
Like always u exaggerate a bit John. You can accuse me of lots of things like being a math guy but i can take a profit in a grinding way 2 n we both know that a chance of getting method on a platter here is as big as getting 37 unique # in 37 spins ;D
I will agree with you 37 numbers in 37 spins is never going to happen. But Exaggerate. I am not sure I am here. If I cant find one loss in over 250 potential games. At a risk of 8---26 units a game dependng on where you want to start. I think its worth a look. I will certainly give it, its due. As the alternating format might have found its ultimate use.
Getting ready to get out my matrix sunglasses again! 8) 8) 8)
A.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 29/06/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 4,000
TOTAL GAMES WON 3,675
TOTAL GAMES LOST 325
STRIKERATE APPROX 11/1
BALANCE 4369 UNITS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 3
A poorer performance over the last 400 game sample. Bringing the overall strikerate down a notch to 11/1. But what separates this method from many is the uncanny stability of two game play. With now only 3 double losses in 4,000 games. Its a powerpoint that will rarely be rivalled. Recently also I have begun playing all three even chances together for increased turnover. Over the last 120 games.
And among those three games in a session there has never been more than one loss. In the words of Meatloaf "Two Out Of Three Aint Bad" indeed. My attention has further turned to the closedown of PATTERN 8. It holds another extraordinary value of winning consistency. If you have to WAIT TO WIN. Pattern Breaker shows that wait is truly worthwhile.
Can you explain about pattern 8?
For win can wait whole day than play whole day and lost.
Thanks.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jun 29, 09:50 PM 2012
Can you explain about pattern 8?
For win can wait whole day than play whole day and lost.
Thanks.
Hello Donik7777 Pattern 8 is about betting on its completion. Its innevitable. But it can come anytime from immediately after Pattern 7 which means a losing game for PATTERN BREAKER. Or 20 plus cycles later. Now that im covering all three even chances. I have been scrutinizing its breakdown. And over the last 120 games here are the results.
COMPLETED IN 1=57
COMPLETED IN 2=35
COMPLETED IN 3=22
COMPLETED IN 4=3
COMPLETED IN 5=2
COMPLETED IN 6=1
Thats a strikerate of 19/1 over that 120 sample. Which is stronger than the 11/1
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 30, 06:09 AM 2012
Hello Donik7777 Pattern 8 is about betting on its completion. Its innevitable. But it can come anytime from immediately after Pattern 7 which means a losing game for PATTERN BREAKER. Or 20 plus cycles later. Now that I'm covering all three even chances. I have been scrutinizing its breakdown. And over the last 120 games here are the results.
COMPLETED IN 1=57
COMPLETED IN 2=35
COMPLETED IN 3=22
COMPLETED IN 4=3
COMPLETED IN 5=2
COMPLETED IN 6=1
that's a strikerate of 19/1 over that 120 sample. Which is stronger than the 11/1
So the idea Donik7777 is to cover 1---3 attempts using the classic 1,2,4 progression. Here is an example of a trigger for the first attempt.
PATTERN 8 IS HLH
LLL
HHL
HL------TRIGGER for attempt one to complete the 8th pattern
With a strikerate currently of 19/1 its well worth the wait. I would be happy with 10/1---12/1 as the original PATTERN BREAKER delivers. Its all worth it in the end if positive numbers are your reward.
I've read through all the pages.
Just to be sure I'm playing this (basics) correct.
1.You write the eight patterns on the left like this:
HLL
LHL
LLH
LHH
HLH
HHL
LLL
HHH
2. Every three spins we put a number behind the pattern. So if the numbers 10, 25, 11 come in we have pattern LHL. If this are our first three spins, we write a 1 behind pattern LHL.
If zero comes in we write that pattern under the original patternlist.
3.Continue until one pattern is left.
4.Then we bet the opposite of that pattern, so for example if our pattern is LHL we bet HLH using progression 2-4-8.
5. If you lose, use progression 7-14-28 on the next two sessions.
Is this the right way? Or should I play it with the new tweak. Don't bet opposite but just the remaining pattern?
I'm very curious to this method. And would like to test it a couple of hundred times on slingshot/live dealer with pen and paper work.
John which other methods/topics do you recommend me to read that are similair to this method?
Thnx.
Regards,
Niek
ps: sorry for my bad english!
Quote from: CocaVillaLaNoche on Jun 30, 02:58 PM 2012
I've read through all the pages.
Just to be sure I'm playing this (basics) correct.
1.You write the eight patterns on the left like this:
HLL
LHL
LLH
LHH
HLH
HHL
LLL
HHH
2. Every three spins we put a number behind the pattern. So if the numbers 10, 25, 11 come in we have pattern LHL. If this are our first three spins, we write a 1 behind pattern LHL.
If zero comes in we write that pattern under the original patternlist.
3.Continue until one pattern is left.
4.Then we bet the opposite of that pattern, so for example if our pattern is LHL we bet HLH using progression 2-4-8.
5. If you lose, use progression 7-14-28 on the next two sessions.
Is this the right way? Or should I play it with the new tweak. Don't bet opposite but just the remaining pattern?
I'm very curious to this method. And would like to test it a couple of hundred times on slingshot/live dealer with pen and paper work.
John which other methods/topics do you recommend me to read that are similair to this method?
Thnx.
Regards,
Niek
ps: sorry for my bad English!
if you ignore colors you only get 4 patterns and everything will be smoother
XXX
XOX
XXO
XOO
cheers
Hello Niek in the testing zone Atlantis has an excellent thread PATTERN TRACKER. Thats worth reading and getting into. The PATTERN BREAKER concept is one of patience. If I told you that you would nearly always win one out of every three bets you placed at even money. Would you be interested? Everyone should. Then I told you it might take two to three hours at a B n M CASINO to get that win. Now few are interested. If you can wait YOU WILL WIN.
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 30, 06:47 PM 2012
if you ignore colors you only get 4 patterns and everything will be smoother
XXX
XOX
XXO
XOO
cheers
Sorry, don't get that.
Ok, thnx.
I'm going to read that.
Regards,
Niek
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 01, 05:26 AM 2012
Hello Niek in the testing zone Atlantis has an excellent thread PATTERN TRACKER. that's worth reading and getting into. The PATTERN BREAKER concept is one of patience. If I told you that you would nearly always win one out of every three bets you placed at even money. Would you be interested? Everyone should. Then I told you it might take two to three hours at a B n M CASINO to get that win. Now few are interested. If you can wait YOU WILL WIN.
Nearly always win one out of three... 2 me it means nearly 1 unit out of 3 bets in 1,2,4 progression. Can u explain nearly in roulette terms please... ;D I guess im not only d one confused by yr statement.
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 08, 06:01 PM 2011
I can confirm that this don't lose. If lose 1 session no problem recover fast ;D
Love it John ;D ;D ;D
I find it hard to believe this actually works. The only roulette I play is no zero roulette and it's as close to having more chances to win as it comes.
Quote from: CocaVillaLaNoche on Jul 01, 05:42 AM 2012
Sorry, don't get that.
I will explain with odd/even...
You gather the permanence into clusters of 3
12-7-33 = first is always X so 12(even) X, 7(different than before, Odd) O, 33 (same as before, odd) X
XOX
24-8-22 = 24 (Even) X, 8 (same as before, Even, X), 22 (same as before, Even, X)
XXX
hope it is clear now.
So if you have clusters of 3 you only have 4 different possibilities:
XXX
XOX
XOO
XXO
...................
Now you can go to random.org and get 300 spins, numbers from 1 to 4, and check after a series of 3 how many times the same formation would repeat, and just there you have a very good method for EC. I mean hard to tank.
TRNG 2012-07-01 #300 spins
LW REGISTRY=
LWLLWLWWWWW[reveal]
41
1
3
4
3
2
3
2
3
2
3
4
3
2
2
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2
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2
2L
1W
3
2
4
1
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3
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4
2
1
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3L
3L
4W
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4L
1W
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3W
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2w
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1w
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3w
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3
[/reveal]
If you want more action you can play against series of 3 or more of the same formation.
TRNG 2012-06-30 #300 spins
(each spin represents 1 formation thus is equivalent to 900 real spins)
LW Registry = WWWWLLWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWWLLLWLWWWWLWLWWLWLWWWL
WWWWLLWWLWWWWWLWWLWWWWWLWWWWW
[reveal]
4
2
2
3W
1
2
2
4W
3
4
2
1
1
3W
3
4W
4
4L
4L
3W
2
2
1W
4
1
3
2
4
4
2W
3
2
2
4W
4
1W
3
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4W
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3W
3
2W
4
1
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4
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3
2W
3
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2
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3
3
1W
2
3
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1W
1
2W
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2
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1W
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4
4L
3W
3
2W
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2L
1W
4
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4W
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1L
1L
1L
4W
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1L
2W
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4W
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4W
3
3
1W
1
1L
2W
4
2
4
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1
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2L
4W
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3L
4W
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4W
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3W
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3L
2W
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4W
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1W
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2W
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1W
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[/reveal]
Lw registry if you attack only once =
WWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWLWLWLLWWWLLWLLWWLWWWLWLWWWWLWLWWWWLWWWW
it means at most 5 losses in a row.
Enjoy!
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 01, 07:08 AM 2012
Nearly always win one out of three... 2 me it means nearly 1 unit out of 3 bets in 1,2,4 progression. can you explain nearly in roulette terms please... ;D I guess I'm not only d one confused by yr statement.
I go by results I get from real play Huut. When looking at how pattern 8 completes across the even chances theres a high percentage of hits in the first three attempts. And over the last 140 games I've played there has never been a session where at least one of the three even chances didn't close pattern 8 in the first available attempt. This is true power in roulette. Youve got rand cornered its got nowhere to go. It either now shows you something you can profit from or something you can't.
And by Joe its showing me something I can profit from. Then if we take each game individually. Over the last 140 played across the even chances. a 63 unit progression has survived. The perfect progression for that 8th pattern closure would be 15 units. It would absolutely make a profit at present its only been lost 3 times in 140 games. I would personally opperate on 2 levels in a session. Its as impossible to lose twice in one three game session as it is to get 37 unique numbers in 37 spins. Its a limit placed on random. And if you identify it, you profit from it. Time is your price. Can you wait to WIN? That's the crucial question all must anwser.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 01, 12:20 PM 2012
. Its as impossible to lose twice in one three game session as it is to get 37 unique numbers in 37 spins.
:o
REALLY?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 01, 12:20 PM 2012
I go by results I get from real play Huut. When looking at how pattern 8 completes across the even chances theres a high percentage of hits in the first three attempts. And over the last 140 games I've played there has never been a session where at least one of the three even chances didn't close pattern 8 in the first available attempt. This is true power in roulette. Youve got rand cornered its got nowhere to go. It either now shows you something you can profit from or something you can't.
And by Joe its showing me something I can profit from. Then if we take each game individually. Over the last 140 played across the even chances. a 63 unit progression has survived. The perfect progression for that 8th pattern closure would be 15 units. It would absolutely make a profit at present its only been lost 3 times in 140 games. I would personally opperate on 2 levels in a session. Its as impossible to lose twice in one three game session as it is to get 37 unique numbers in 37 spins. Its a limit placed on random. And if you identify it, you profit from it. Time is your price. Can you wait to WIN? That's the crucial question all must anwser.
Hola John
You lost me a bit. Just tell me if i got it right. U play Pattern 8 for 2 EC's and u use 6 step Marty 1,2,4,8,16,32. What about other 15 units progression - its 4 step?
Regards
@AlbertoJonas,
Thnx!
The first part I understand.
But the tracking part is a little bit confusing for me.
So here you got:
4
1 (XOO)
1
3
4 (XOX)
3
2
3 (XOX)
2
3
2 (XOX)
3
4
3 (XOX)
2
2
3 (XOX) So we can cross off XOX and XOO, so that's two patterns remaining.I don't understand that.
Don't we have to cross off three patterns and then bet on the last one?
2
2
2 (XXX)
2L
1W
3 (XXO)
2
Regards,
Niek
And 12-7-33 isn't that XOO instead of XOX?
Even/Odd/Odd?
JohnLegend why don't you play on the French Roulette wheel.
Perhaps test your past results on the French wheel and see if there is a useful difference.
Quote from: CocaVillaLaNoche on Jul 01, 04:18 PM 2012
And 12-7-33 isn't that XOO instead of XOX?
Even/Odd/Odd?
You can do it both ways
I Was using different or same in relation to the last outcome.
You can use in relation to the first outcome.
but you must choose a consistent one and stick with it.
also the numbers between 1 and 4 are only to simulate the 4 different formations you can get:
XXX
XXO
XOX
XOO
Hope it helps.
Quote from: albertojonas on Jul 01, 04:47 PM 2012
You can do it both ways
I Was using different or same in relation to the last outcome.
You can use in relation to the first outcome.
but you must choose a consistent one and stick with it.
Oké, I understand that part now!
But... ;)
Lets say for example:
XXX (1)
XOX (2)
XXO (3)
XOO (4)
4
1
1
3 XOX is left, so isn't this a trigger?
4
3
2
3
2
3
2
3
4
3
2
2
3
2
2
2
2L
1W
3
2
Hope you can make that part clear to me, LoL!
Regards,
Niek
To Albertolonas yes really I dont get ur system at all and you are making a simple concept sound complicated. You give no examples of progression or bankroll requirements. And you need to start your own thread with concise rules, I will delete ur posts on here later to keep the thread about the pattern breaker concept,
No Hut Pattern 8 is played on all three even chances, We allow random to do two thirds of the work for us. Then we attempt to finis the job. I will eventually dedicate a thread to this, By then there will be some interest as Pattern 8 will have helped me defeat an RNG.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 02, 01:41 AM 2012
No Hut Pattern 8 is played on all three even chances, We allow random to do two thirds of the work for us. Then we attempt to finis the job. I will eventually dedicate a thread to this, By then there will be some interest as Pattern 8 will have helped me defeat an RNG.
Thanks John. I know d original rules but recently there were some changes n i lost track ;D Lets wait 4 a new thread then.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 02, 01:36 AM 2012
To Albertolonas yes really I don't get your system at all and you are making a simple concept sound complicated. You give no examples of progression or bankroll requirements. And you need to start your own thread with concise rules, I will delete your posts on here later to keep the thread about the pattern breaker concept,
Dear lohnJeleng, my name is Albertojonas. :xd:
You can and you should delete my posts, sorry for "hijackin'" your thread.
But just for the sake of clarification i will try again to show you what i mean.
1st a few considerations:
-I believe it is more productive long term to play for all patterns showing than not.
-When you are tracking even chances in clusters of 3 outcomes you can get 8 different patterns. That is ok!
RRR
RRB
RBR
RBB
BBB
BBR
BRB
BRR
==================
What you say is that you wait for 7 of this patterns to show up and then bet the missing pattern will appear correct?
==================
What i say is that you can make things "colorblind" and instead of R/B, E/O, H/L you can observe what happens regarding change of state.
Once for all i wanted this to be clear so we are all on the same page.
You see 1st outcome RED and 2nd BLACK you observe a change.
so What i purpose is this notation (Not new):
XO
being: X=Same, O=Other
if 3rd outcome is RED again it will become
XOX because it is again same as 1st.
So basically all the 8 patterns above mentioned can be translated in only 4.
RRR XXX
RRB XXO
RBR XOX
RBB XOO
BBB XXX
BBR XXO
BRB XOX
BRR XOO
Hope it is easy to grasp.
The advantage is this way you get triggers to bet on more quickly, maintaining the same probability.
============
Following your system, one would wait for 3 of the above patterns to show and then bet for the 4th to show up.
Cheers
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 30, 07:23 AM 2012
So the idea Donik7777 is to cover 1---3 attempts using the classic 1,2,4 progression. Here is an example of a trigger for the first attempt.
PATTERN 8 IS HLH
LLL
HHL
HL------TRIGGER for attempt one to complete the 8th pattern
With a strikerate currently of 19/1 its well worth the wait. I would be happy with 10/1---12/1 as the original PATTERN BREAKER delivers. Its all worth it in the end if positive numbers are your reward.
This is what i am talking about above O0
here you have 9900 spins so you can see what happens in a large sample.
Albertolonas sounds good whaw im asking you to do is give somd examples of how you play this application, Using a progression, flatbetting? How do we play a game?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 02, 08:32 AM 2012
Albertolonas sounds good whaw I'm asking you to do is give somd examples of how you play this application, Using a progression, flatbetting? How do we play a game?
I also don't understand your posts on 930 - 931. How we play/track a game.
But it sounds good!
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 02, 08:32 AM 2012
Albertolonas sounds good whaw I'm asking you to do is give somd examples of how you play this application, Using a progression, flatbetting? How do we play a game?
exactly the same way as you play pattern8 just you don't have to wait for so long.
[attachimg=1]
just check the image:
this is for high low
notice that the notation XXX i use is the change in relation to the previous outcome of the 3 not in relation to the 1st...
i see 3 different patterns and i will bet for the completion of the missing pattern.
1st example
XOX
XXX
XXO (XOO is missing, so i will bet O = Opposite than before after every XO occurrence)
2nd example
XXX
XXO
XOO (XOX is the missing one, so i will bet X = Same as before after every XO occurrence)
=============
For continuous play i would play always for the pattern furthest away
Attached a session to exemplifie
....
Hope it is clear
Enjoy
Quote from: albertojonas on Jul 02, 10:50 AM 2012
i see 3 different patterns and i will bet for the completion of the missing pattern.
1st example
XOX
XXX
XXO (XOO is missing, so i will bet O = Opposite than before after every XO occurrence)
2nd example
XXX
XXO
XOO (XOX is the missing one, so i will bet X = Same as before after every XO occurrence)
=============
For continuous play i would play always for the pattern furthest away
Attached a session to exemplifie
....
Hope it is clear
Enjoy
Okay Im with you now Alberto. I will paper test it for a few days.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 02, 02:45 PM 2012
Okay I'm with you now Alberto. I will paper test it for a few days.
It is exactly pattern 8 isn't it?
Quote from: albertojonas on Jul 02, 03:09 PM 2012
It is exactly pattern 8 isn't it?
Might be better Lets see. Im looking for consistency over speed. If I can get a faster turnover thats a bonus. But never at the expense of consistency. Good work Alberto.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 02, 03:17 PM 2012
Might be better Lets see. I'm looking for consistency over speed. If I can get a faster turnover that's a bonus. But never at the expense of consistency. Good work Alberto.
Early testing on Ladbrokes RNG doesn't look too good Alberto. I played three games. The first two won in 2 attempts and 3 attempts respectively. The third game however was a nightmare. And I will tell you why it can happen after I show you the game breakdown.
XXX---------------8 ATTEMPTS TO CLOSE
XOX--(1)
XOO--(3)
XXO--(2)--------7 REPEATERS ON THIS PATTERN until three of a kind formed.
I once considered cutting the waiting time in half Alberto. The problem is if random gets stuck in repeat on the other possible outcome to the one you want. Like it did here you are in trouble. That's why we have to wait for random to deliver that final pattern to us. Because there will be times when your final two remianing patterns are HHH and LLL. And when that happens there may have been several multi repeats on HHL and LLH before you arrived there. Which means disaster for the pattern you are betting on. Nice idea. But random cannot be rushed sometimes. You have to wait it out, let it repeat to its hearts content and exhaust itself as much as possible. It could still take several attempts to land that 8th pattern. But the vast majority of the time it will present it to you inside 4 attempts. That's why I wait.
i give you that, but probability is the same isn't it?
Yes it is Alberto where this method will perform better is AGAINST the 4th pattern then you have a winner,
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 03, 06:41 AM 2012
Yes it is Alberto where this method will perform better is AGAINST the 4th pattern then you have a winner,
Nice to be on the same page
:thumbsup:
So we just bet the last pattern? No opposite and when we win on our first bet we continue tracking all the patterns again? (after a break or another table ;))
JL,
When you are talking about winning streaks you mean sessions/games right?
Since you said this has to be played hit and run.
If a session is more than 45 spins we bet for the last pattern otherwise we bet against the last pattern? please help!
Regards,
Niek
Hi Johnlegend & all, I'm a newbie, just finished reading the 64 pages. Very interesting..
Thanks JL for sharing your great ideas and deep research. Also to albertojonas for cleverly trying to shorten the 8 Pattern Breaker.
I've been doing research on roulette for 2 years now, and found JL's philosophy makes sense to me. I have 30,000 data from live roulette at Dublin. I'm also quite fluent with excel, I can test 30,000 data with JL or albertojonas formula in just a couple of days.
What is the latest status on JL and albertojonas' formula?
Cheers..
Did you do any testing bossdarling? If so how did it go?
Hi MuppetMan.. I haven't tested Pattern Breaker, coz I play in online live casino that don't allow many free spins. Therefore I asked latest progress on Al's tweak, hoping can bet more often and regularly every 3 spins after the 9th. It's a brilliant idea, the principle looks the same, but I think the odds is not as save as JL's original.
Perhaps we should wait for JL's view after finishing Bayes RNG test.
Cheers..
I am trying very hard not to take an interest in this, but it won't leave me be. The wheel must hit HHH and then HLH for example. Trouble is, it has forever and a day to hit HHH, the penultimate, so that's not a real biggie. Sooner or later, it will hit it.
I am considering testing this with a random number generator to ask for three spins and go with that as my bet. Just to see what would shake lose. Don't think any of it will work.
But............
Perhaps I am wrong (gasp) and there is something to this after all. My biggest gripe is the time factor, but I'm working on weaving it into some other systems so I can collect spins as I play--not just sit and fall asleep.
I am off on vacation starting next Thursday and will be driving thousands of miles. I will cogitate on this extinsively.
If it puts me to sleep and I get killed on the road, I will haunt Jl for the rest of his life!
It won't let me be...........
I don't like the penultimate trio being your trigger as they will always come.
I'm entertaining this idea:
Look at the these spins
14..newest..
35
25............L H H.......
Suppose we took the third spin from the second, or vice-versa, and arrived at the number 10? Suppose we said that the tenth spin from now must be a L then H then H?
The wheel decides the bet and when the bet will be made. Seems to me the wheel might have a bit of a time repeating exactly when it was asked to.
But maybe not........
Anyone? Can I get a witness?
Sam
Storms coming your way,Sam.
Get ya wet suit on :)
What is the time difference in the Sunshine State.
With Oklahoma time?
Yes, we are traveling into the aftermath. After it happens it's "the aftermath" but while it's happening it's never "the math". Why is that?
I think Florida is one hour ahead of us.
Sam
Well, I decided to put my idea to a test. Started with .10 and it worked so well I went to .50. Seems there are about 8 wins for each loss for a net profit of one. Whoop-de-do!
So I decided to gamble. Bet .5 1. and 2. and if that lost I bet 3.5, 7. and 14.00 to recover. As someone, Jl I think, said--you rarely get back-to-back losses.
So I'm up 10 Euro for the night.
You can be sure if this pans out to be profitable, I'll hire Victor to create me a bot.
Sam
FYI
Does seem the loss is about one out of every nine progressions. If that held, and you bet 25 Euro per hand, you could create smiles and applause!
No?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 27, 05:07 PM 2012
For Your Information
Does seem the loss is about one out of every nine progressions. If that held, and you bet 25 Euro per hand, you could create smiles and applause!
No?
Sam
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well Hit and run I average 11/1 with this method. The real value of PB isnt the straight strikerate. Its the solid hold of the follow up bet after a lost game.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 29/09/12
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 5,500
TOTAL GAMES WON 5,013
TOTAL GAMES LOST 487
STRIKERATE APPROX 10/1
BALANCE 5,237 POINTS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 5
Over the last 1,500 games played the strikerate has dropped a bit with 162 losses out of 1500 games. Two of those losses also being double losses. But still overall it has an impressive consistency. And continues to be one of my bread and butter methods. Next update at years end.
When do you sleep?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 29, 02:33 PM 2012
When do you sleep?
Strange question Sam?? I usually climb in around midnight. And rise at 6am for breakfast why??
Well, John........not being nosey.......In my Country that is a compliment!
I assume you work, have family and all that.......
You put in hours on the FIVE and you play for real on other systems. You're a busy man!
Over here in the Colonies, when one says, "When do you sleep?", they are saying......You are one hard-working cat!
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 29, 03:25 PM 2012
Well, John........not being nosey.......In my Country that is a compliment!
I assume you work, have family and all that.......
You put in hours on the FIVE and you play for real on other systems. You're a busy man!
Over here in the Colonies, when one says, "When do you sleep?", they are saying......You are one hard-working cat!
Samster
Well I only work part time these days Sam to continue to pay my tax stamp. To get my pension if I reach the ripe old age of 65. Family? Its just the Mrs and me. Son is all grown up out doing his own thing. So I have more time on my hands than most to play my methods and make the money.
At the moment I am trying to find out if BV is really fair all the way. I will play relatively cautiously till about March/April next year. If it proves to be. I will invest some decent deniro on both the account Superman graciously gave me. And try and open my own one.
Thanks, Bro!
I'm with you 100%.
Sam
Johnlegend, you keep making those claims about your winnings and all that. Unfortunately no one else seems to replicate the success you had. Have you thought about ways to prove that you're not lying?
Quote from: Amazin on Sep 29, 06:36 PM 2012
Johnlegend, you keep making those claims about your winnings and all that. Unfortunately no one else seems to replicate the success you had. Have you thought about ways to prove that you're not lying?
That's why I am doing the BV challenge Amazing. Keep watching. Others are having success. I am just the most vocal. A member called Chauncy47. Has been more successful than myself. Others are reaping rewards using their ways of beating the game. The question is are you ready to learn and win??. Because most aren't. That is why I have taken up the challenge. The passage of time will show how I win and build a modest BR into something few on here really believe possible.
You just keep checking into the BV challenge every couple of weeks. A year from now.you will realize I am for real.
Hello JL...
I have been following this forum for a while now as a guest, but decided to join now. I have read most of your systems, but would like to know which ones u currently use. I am ready to play by your rules on the systems u say work. I use ladbrokes online casino, only play live roulette and slingshot. O0
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 29, 06:51 PM 2012
That's why I am doing the BV challenge Amazing. Keep watching. Others are having success. I am just the most vocal. A member called Chauncy47. Has been more successful than myself. Others are reaping rewards using their ways of beating the game. The question is are you ready to learn and win??. Because most aren't. That is why I have taken up the challenge. The passage of time will show how I win and build a modest BR into something few on here really believe possible.
You just keep checking into the BV challenge every couple of weeks. A year from now.you will realize I am for real.
JL is right, he is one of the most vocal members about his winnings and continuous success. I usually post something in support of his approach to the game and so here I am again. I enjoy amazing success using his methods and some of the other methods posted in this forum by other members, along with some great betting startegies that's been posted as well, specifically by GLC. I can only share my experience and that is this: I walk into a live casino between 10 and 15 times a week and I play CODE 4, D&C and P4 and a few others. I never play on-line because I can't and if I could, I am not sure I would. My progression is no greater than 3 and it's for 5 games. Randomness has limits,
most of the time, and JL's understanding of those limits are quite remarkable and it's my opinion (just my opinion) that his understanding of those limits contribute to his success. Most times, I walk out of the casino with gain but there are times when I don't. I am very grateful for the times I don't because it has provided me with an opportunity to observe randomness at it's best and then I use that data for future play. Once I realized and got this concept burned into my brain: It's not about what I walked out of the casino with today, but it's about what I have gained at end of the month or year. This games requires so much discipline and if you can master that area combined with the method of your choice, winning is the only possible outcome. I don't believe that you can chart randomness to confirm whether a method is going to be successful for not. It's about your thinking, your thoughts and what can be believed in the world of randomness and for me, I believe that randomness has limits most of the time and I exploit those limits using JL's methods. It's important to remember that his methods also include
"thinking," not just the method by itself. In a recent PM to JL, I told him that by late summer 2013, I will have done well enough that I would take a trip across the pond to buy him several beers and personally thank him for posting his ideas and I look forward to doing that. Sorry for being so long winded and I will finish on this note and go back to being an observer: If I could offer some guidance to anyone, I would share this: Don't get hung up what is called
the winning method but understand randomness has limits and apply ironclad discipline, control over emotions and "out of the box thinking" when approaching this game and the only possible outcome will be winning - most of the time.
Chauncy47!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Don't wait so long between posts.
Chauncy.....Is JL bringing out a book or something? Sounds like one of those write ups on the back cover...lol
(jokin!!!....take your mouse off the "report to moderator" button)
Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 05:05 PM 2012
Chauncy.....Is JL bringing out a book or something? Sounds like one of those write ups on the back cover...LoL
(jokin!!!....take your mouse off the "report to moderator" button)
Chauncy47 is a great example for the forum Turner. We need more people like him.
Quote from: Chauncy47 on Sep 30, 11:55 AM 2012
...I can only share my experience and that is this: I walk into a live casino between 10 and 15 times a week and I play CODE 4, D&C and P4 and a few others. I never play on-line because I can't and if I could, I am not sure I would. My progression is no greater than 3 and it's for 5 games.....I will finish on this note and go back to being an observer: If I could offer some guidance to anyone, I would share this: Don't get hung up what is called the winning method but understand randomness has limits and apply ironclad discipline, control over emotions and "out of the box thinking" when approaching this game and the only possible outcome will be winning - most of the time.
Hi Chauncy47,
So each time you go to the casino you play only 5 games and walk out right?
So your visit goes something like this:
1 game of CODE 4
1 game of D&C
1 game of P4
1 game of another method
1 game of another method?
@chuancy 47: how long have you been playing roulette? Do you realise that it doesnt matter if you are playing hit and run and the adds will always remains the same? It just means It wIll take longer to lose but It surely wIll happen. I'm worried that one day reality will set in and your winnings will go back to the casino again.
Why do we think random has limits?
To Chauncy47 and JL.
Once again thanks for your very positive writings and in particular by the latest note from Chauncy. Through this it is clear that he has found, and continues to work toward a fine understanding of the nature of roulette in particular, and randomness in general. I like the tone of his writing which indicates a genuine humility in the face of the tough demands of random. There are some wonderful principles stated in this
passage.
It is fascinating how roulette can be seen as 'microcosm' of many areas, and in a sense, of life itself. Lessons learned from long developed practice at the wheel can be applied to many areas, and reading and seizing of opportunities, within reason, can be extremely rewarding. Handling loss can also be a sub-set of handling rejection- one of the most difficult of psychological tasks. Just ask Dr Philip McGraw.
The matrix of roulette can be unravelled from many angles and as with many random examples, can sometimes appear more complex/ darker than other times which may appear better lit/ lighter/ illuminated and thus accessible.
It takes great patience and compounded knowledge and then applied wisdom to chip away at the opportunities roulette outcomes can provide.
A humourous example a few days ago for me was learning from a wiser attack strategy on roulette play, I applied a simple three parlay place bet on races in Sydney featuring a combination of analysis of particular horses, and the skills of a young genius jockey recently arrived in Australia. The resulting 15 to 1 payout was a dramatic illustration of the power of sensible parlay cover bets.
Parlay and place bets seen as a six line parlay.
Roulette helping Racing. LoL.
Quote from: XXVV on Oct 08, 06:03 PM 2012
To Chauncy47 and JL.
Once again thanks for your very positive writings and in particular by the latest note from Chauncy. Through this it is clear that he has found, and continues to work toward a fine understanding of the nature of roulette in particular, and randomness in general. I like the tone of his writing which indicates a genuine humility in the face of the tough demands of random. There are some wonderful principles stated in this
passage.
It is fascinating how roulette can be seen as 'microcosm' of many areas, and in a sense, of life itself. Lessons learned from long developed practice at the wheel can be applied to many areas, and reading and seizing of opportunities, within reason, can be extremely rewarding. Handling loss can also be a sub-set of handling rejection- one of the most difficult of psychological tasks. Just ask Dr Philip McGraw.
The matrix of roulette can be unravelled from many angles and as with many random examples, can sometimes appear more complex/ darker than other times which may appear better lit/ lighter/ illuminated and thus accessible.
It takes great patience and compounded knowledge and then applied wisdom to chip away at the opportunities roulette outcomes can provide.
A humourous example a few days ago for me was learning from a wiser attack strategy on roulette play, I applied a simple three parlay place bet on races in Sydney featuring a combination of analysis of particular horses, and the skills of a young genius jockey recently arrived in Australia. The resulting 15 to 1 payout was a dramatic illustration of the power of sensible parlay cover bets.
Parlay and place bets seen as a six line parlay.
Roulette helping Racing. LoL.
Good to see you back on the forum XXVV. Yes Chauncy is an inspiration even to me. If even 1 in every 20 people who play this game had his mindset. Wow we would see some change in the general concensus on this games status as unconquerable longterm. I am making my own endeavour to banish that flawed thinking. And others who have the right thought process are doing the same. Its a battle because old thinking dies alot harder than old habits.
Through the passage of time. And through sure and certain success. I will in my part change a few minds.
***********I will in my part change a few minds.**********
Post some clear rules and you might do it!!
DELETE DELETE DELETE...........
Sam
Yes it is quite fascinating. The comments made are quite fair. To be professionally successful at roulette I believe entails many many skills and the thinking/ application is by no means linear.
Over the past 9 months I have tried to balance roulette play with some testing and somewhat extreme random life conditions. The inability for statistics and probability theory to deal in the short term with Earthquake behaviour ( physical and social) has demonstrated to me that reality needs best served by a variety of solutions and approaches that are in effect both quantum and classical.
What I am driving at is that in the short term there can be wild aberrations from the norm and we must find ways to cope or to take advantage of these. In the medium to long term our desire for normality and rationalisation will provide a linus blanket type average/ rationale which can guide us.
In the immdeiate context of where I now work on this basis we still have the unsettling 75% likelihood of an M5.5 EQ over the next 6 months. After that it diminishes to M5.0 and so on, on a slow decay curve.
Menacingly, and linking here roulette theory to earthquake probability theory, there is also a 70% chance of an M8.0 (!!!) earthquake in the Alps here within the next 20 years. It is overdue they say thanks to a 300 year average and we have the geo-tech evidence to prove it.
Last month I saw 10 zero's materialise within 90 spins and overall within 250 spins were 19 hits. Extreme event! Yet also number 10 slept for 350 spins recently. No big deal? That is real live casino play. I was recently told by a scientific colleague that in his access to random.org with double zero wheel he had experienced greater than 1000 spins without a show by 00.
This latter is a real worry and demonstrates to me random sampling based on atmospheric noise can be hampered by satellites or airline routes!
The grunge mechanical random generation of the live casino wheels is our reality, and we need to work with that. It is not as 'pure' a random as some other generators would have us believe.
So I say get real! Adapt to reality of what we deal with!
Apply some basic sound techniques (linear).
Overview to include some vast experience as the bet behaviours/ characteristics you have witnessed ( increasingly fuzzy).
Apply mental practices which sharpen our ability to be in 'the zone' (metaphysical).
Work with 'free money' so as to be detached and not 'needy'.
Play smart, street wise, and take short sharp profits.
Read the game matrix and attack very aggressively when the opportunities arise ( say 1 in 5 games).
Play defensively when encountering a counter attack from random. Take a small loss if necessary and get out and find shelter.
Most of the time there will be short sequences of opportunities. Seize them and simply accrue. compound or parlay until a suitable goal is achieved.
I do believe it is possible to average compound 10% per day on your bank, and that allows for, in my experience, two losses for every 10 sessions.
The instructions to achieve this set of astonishing outcomes cannot be written as a series of linear, black and white rules, although some of the play initiates and uses them ( those that are appropriate to be used from a selected arsenal of methods).
Where I am coming from here is to argue that our way of looking at random has to change, and that we have to be very flexible in our thinking, and be open, sometimes to the unthinkable. I can vouch that I have experienced live play in states of brain activity that are more toward the alpha states, and there are several ways to develop this. More on this later.
Moral of the story - apply lots of approaches to deal with random, from linear to fuzzy to further out. If it works it works. Its a pragmatic science.
Hi XXVV,
How are you?
I am fine.
GO AWAY!
(you too Sam)
I very well may.
Mmmm fascinating and full of humour. Reactions do say a lot.....
Will return to my existing threads such as Experimental Studies (and build up a statement on the current state of play so to speak).
Best wishes to JL and other writers who have much to offer. XXVV
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 29, 10:10 AM 2012
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 29/09/12
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 5,500
TOTAL GAMES WON 5,013
TOTAL GAMES LOST 487
STRIKERATE APPROX 10/1
BALANCE 5,237 POINTS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 5
Over the last 1,500 games played the strikerate has dropped a bit with 162 losses out of 1500 games. Two of those losses also being double losses. But still overall it has an impressive consistency. And continues to be one of my bread and butter methods. Next update at years end.
Hi john
i love this method!
in your post you speak of 2 double losses. I'am curious to what you are considering a double loss,
are you getting a double loss when you are tracking and playing hi/lo and e/o at the same time?
(This is how i play the method)
or are your double losses when you just track hi/lo and after loss. you re-track for a complete new game?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 11, 12:10 PM 2011
Just a word to the guys and girls who messaged me about Baccarat, and anyone else who is interested,
This IS AMAZING on Bac !
Obviously no Zero as we have the Tie (Push=money back)
If anyone needs more info PM me, just to keep this Thread on Track ;D
Cheers :xd: :twisted: :LoL:
Do you still use this playing Bacarrat :)
Quote from: Bcboilermaker on Oct 10, 09:22 PM 2012
Hi john
i love this method!
in your post you speak of 2 double losses. I'am curious to what you are considering a double loss,
are you getting a double loss when you are tracking and playing hi/lo and e/o at the same time?
(This is how i play the method)
or are your double losses when you just track hi/lo and after loss. you're-track for a complete new game?
Yes I play HIGH LOW...ODD EVEN simultaneously, and also track but don't play RED BLACK. When I lose the first game. I Treble or more on the next for faster recovery. I've only had a handful of double losses in over 5000 games. And have never seen all three even chances lose in the SAME SESSION. That may be another of randoms VIRTUAL LIMITS I talk of.
JL
I play PB on all 3 EC's
Just picking up on a point you made about not seein all 3 lose at the same time, cud that be a progression?
Say you lose on H/L could you not "recover" on E/O or then R/B ?
When you track ure EC's how often, if ever, have you had to play a bet on more than one EC at the same time ?
Quote from: Paul2012 on Oct 16, 08:26 AM 2012
Do you still use this playing Bacarrat :)
I havent in a while but its still valid to do so :thumbsup:
lol...the pilot turns up...admittedly a member for 2 years, and with his perfect english...looks american to me....claims 17k in one year in his local casino in france?.. Said nothing during 5k, 8 k, 12k, 13k, 15k, 16k......low and behold...pattern breaker is top of the list again...lol
Makes you think dunnit?
Its just me thinkin out loud....no offence intended.
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Nov 02, 08:05 PM 2012
LoL...the pilot turns up...admittedly a member for 2 years, and with his perfect English...looks american to me....claims 17k in one year in his local casino in france?.. Said nothing during 5k, 8 k, 12k, 13k, 15k, 16k......low and behold...pattern breaker is top of the list again...LoL
Makes you think dunnit?
Its just me thinkin out loud....no offence intended.
Turner
i agree, i hope its not JL's alternative account :o
I still don't get it, so by writing out all the combinations and cross them out each time after its been produced, how does affect what the last pattern will be? All that waiting just for one game to win one units?
He claimed 71,500 Euro.
Or am I reading it wrong?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 02, 09:04 PM 2012
He claimed 71,500 Euro.
Or am I reading it wrong?
Sam
That is like 60,000 pounds sterling or 90,000 american dollars.
It keeps the dream alive well poor JL is struggling to win a few pennies over at BV :-X
bob.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 02, 07:37 PM 2012
JL
I play PB on all 3 ECs
Just picking up on a point you made about not seein all 3 lose at the same time, could that be a progression?
Say you lose on H/L could you not "recover" on E/O or then R/B ?
When you track your ECs how often, if ever, have you had to play a bet on more than one EC at the same time ?
hi twister,
That is how I play the method. I track hi/lo and e/o simultaneously. using a 6 step progression. I bet against the first group to qualify a trigger, and if i lose those 3 bets. i continue tracking until the other group qualifies a trigger.
I don't think I've gone passed the 4th step....
Referring to the Dublin thread and how they fail to post numbers............
Can you see how missing one decision could upset the apple cart on this system?
I can.
Quote from: Turner on Nov 02, 08:05 PM 2012
LoL...the pilot turns up...admittedly a member for 2 years, and with his perfect English...looks american to me....claims 17k in one year in his local casino in france?.. Said nothing during 5k, 8 k, 12k, 13k, 15k, 16k......low and behold...pattern breaker is top of the list again...LoL
Makes you think dunnit?
Its just me thinkin out loud....no offence intended.
Turner
he was waiting to see when the system will TANK.... but he used to bet 50,100,200 and played 6 sessions everyday @ 300/day thats very risky and most daring bet....... only thing this method is it requires patience....... i have never played this method becoz i dont like to sit on roulette for too long.... i play flats method last 4 uniques combined with TDM 2 dozens and till now in plus..... will comment back if it tanks..... FYI i aim for 10 units/day only and stop loss 100 units.......
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 02, 11:28 PM 2012
Referring to the Dublin thread and how they fail to post numbers............
Can you see how missing one decision could upset the apple cart on this system?
I can.
Sam no one should play Dublin until they sort their act out. Paddy Power is a better online live place in my opinion. Faster too.
[/glow]
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 02, 07:37 PM 2012
JL
I play PB on all 3 ECs
Just picking up on a point you made about not seein all 3 lose at the same time, could that be a progression?
Say you lose on H/L could you not "recover" on E/O or then R/B ?
When you track your ECs how often, if ever, have you had to play a bet on more than one EC at the same time ?
It could be Twister, but its hefty with 9 steps. Better is to stay with two. And understand that longterm you will get around 11/1 playing H.A.R. So don't be in a hurry to try and recoup losses on the spot. Aim to recoup about 50% in the same session.
I've had about 150 simultaneous bets, in that instance I go with HIGH LOW. The reason I track all three even chances even though I only play two, is if the first two ever lose. I will put a chunk on red and black. You could go a lifetime and not see them all lose in the same session.
Quote from: Turner on Nov 02, 08:05 PM 2012
LoL...the pilot turns up...admittedly a member for 2 years, and with his perfect English...looks american to me....claims 17k in one year in his local casino in france?.. Said nothing during 5k, 8 k, 12k, 13k, 15k, 16k......low and behold...pattern breaker is top of the list again...LoL
Makes you think dunnit?
Its just me thinkin out loud....no offence intended.
Turner
So Turner, because someone other than myself speaks of great success with one of my methods, they have to be lying or as this Amazin charactor is implyimg ME. How ridiculous some people are.
Quote from: Turner on Nov 02, 08:05 PM 2012
LoL...the pilot turns up...admittedly a member for 2 years, and with his perfect English...looks american to me....claims 17k in one year in his local casino in france?.. Said nothing during 5k, 8 k, 12k, 13k, 15k, 16k......low and behold...pattern breaker is top of the list again...LoL
Makes you think dunnit?
Its just me thinkin out loud....no offence intended.
Turner
I just think that for a french guy his English is very good and you can hardly find a french guy who speaks any English at all ;D But I'm not an expert at languages. But monsieur Pilot is a bit inconsistent in his other claims. Once he claims that he played roulette for 25 years and in other post its 40. Apparently french casinos are easy to beat. Remember 13 against bank? It required just large BR,patience and discipline.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 03, 12:38 AM 2012
So Turner, because someone other than myself speaks of great success with one of my methods, they have to be lying or as this Amazin charactor is implyimg ME. How ridiculous some people are.
john
I have been successful with your methods. pattern breaker was the first method i had ever learned.
My first online casino was williamhill. not knowing any better i signed up for 225$ bonus. wagering requirements were 18000$ on roulette to release the bonus. i did successfully release the bonus strictly playing your methods.
Quote from: Bcboilermaker on Nov 03, 04:55 AM 2012
john
I have been successful with your methods. pattern breaker was the first method i had ever learned.
My first online casino was williamhill. not knowing any better i signed up for 225$ bonus. wagering requirements were 18000$ on roulette to release the bonus. i did successfully release the bonus strictly playing your methods.
Which method is the one you play most and how much is your base bet?
Quote from: Turner on Nov 02, 08:05 PM 2012
LoL...the pilot turns up...admittedly a member for 2 years, and with his perfect English...looks american to me....claims 17k in one year in his local casino in france?.. Said nothing during 5k, 8 k, 12k, 13k, 15k, 16k......low and behold...pattern breaker is top of the list again...LoL
Makes you think dunnit?
Its just me thinkin out loud....no offence intended.
Turner
If I were JL that would offend me.
Quote from: Bcboilermaker on Nov 02, 10:42 PM 2012
hi twister,
That is how I play the method. I track hi/lo and e/o simultaneously. using a 6 step progression. I bet against the first group to qualify a trigger, and if i lose those 3 bets. i continue tracking until the other group qualifies a trigger.
I don't think I've gone passed the 4th step....
So if H/L loses you carry ure progression over to the next EC?
Say ure bettin 1 2 4 8 16 32
1 2 4 lost so uve never been past step 4 (8 units) ? How many games have you played ?
I been playing this system, and my results are as follows ...
Played 48 games of H/L won 46 lost 2. Strike rate... 23/1
I have also like JL, kept records of R/B and O/E and there results were as follows.
R/B played 48 games . Won 43 lost 5 Strike rate 8.6/1
O/E played 48 games. Won 44 lost 4 Strike rate 11/1
From these records i think i will only play H/L but am happy with the return so far.
I play on Ladbrokes casino, mostly on the Live London wheel, the dealers on there are a right laugh... :xd:
I am goin to try this on Barraccat as well, as there are no Zero's to deal with and there is no way the cards can be fixed. I still have doubts over live casino and how the ball sometimes breakdances into a certain number :question:...
So thanks JL for this system mate, and i am going to continue keeping records and hopefully continue a good strike rate. One question JL, do you play on same online live table each time or play on different tables.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 05:29 AM 2012
If I were JL that would offend me.
I am used to it Twister, you expect nothing else from the masses.
Quote from: Bcboilermaker on Nov 03, 04:55 AM 2012
john
I have been successful with your methods. pattern breaker was the first method i had ever learned.
My first online casino was williamhill. not knowing any better i signed up for 225$ bonus. wagering requirements were 18000$ on roulette to release the bonus. i did successfully release the bonus strictly playing your methods.
Yes stay away from those naff play forever bonuses. Keep quite Bcboilermaker, next Amazin will be telling the forum I am you aswell. But well done with you efforts.
Quote from: Paul2012 on Nov 03, 05:45 AM 2012
I been playing this system, and my results are as follows ...
Played 48 games of H/L won 46 lost 2. Strike rate... 23/1
I have also like JL, kept records of R/B and O/E and there results were as follows.
R/B played 48 games . Won 43 lost 5 Strike rate 8.6/1
O/E played 48 games. Won 44 lost 4 Strike rate 11/1
From these records i think i will only play H/L but am happy with the return so far.
I play on Ladbrokes casino, mostly on the Live London wheel, the dealers on there are a right laugh... :xd:
I am goin to try this on Barraccat as well, as there are no Zero's to deal with and there is no way the cards can be fixed. I still have doubts over live casino and how the ball sometimes breakdances into a certain number :question: ...
So thanks JL for this system mate, and i am going to continue keeping records and hopefully continue a good strike rate. One question JL, do you play on same online live table each time or play on different tables.
High Paul2012, well done with your results. No mix it up keep moving around. PURE H.A.R is in essence one game and gone. Yes notice how R/B are the weakest of the even chances in this method. Thats why I dont play them. I had similar breakdowns to you. But longterm you will fluctuate between 10/1---12/1 with PB.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 03, 05:48 AM 2012
I am used to it Twister, you expect nothing else from the masses.
Will the pair of you lighten up FFS.....
perhaps it just me that finds a complete stranger with an odd story from France claiming 77,500euro a tad odd.
I was just having a chuckle at how people instantly believe what they want to hear...Derren Brown made a career out of that human failing, also, I thought it was hilarious how Pattern breaker was being viewed by 20 odd people straight after the claim.
I did say no offense intended.
By the way, Santa isnt real....sue me for that !! lol
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Nov 03, 06:09 AM 2012
Will the pair of you lighten up FFS.....
perhaps it just me that finds a complete stranger with an odd story from France claiming 77,500euro a tad odd.
I was just having a chuckle at how people instantly believe what they want to hear...Derren Brown made a career out of that human failing, also, I thought it was hilarious how Pattern breaker was being viewed by 20 odd people straight after the claim.
I did say no offense intended.
By the way, Santa isnt real....sue me for that !! LoL
Turner
You can insert that sentence after anything you care to say, doesnt mean offence wont be taken.
I apologies if I offended anyone on here.
@JL: I was semi joking and wanted to remind people the fact that in the end of the day, we are all bunch of online avatar here and we can anything we want without provide any evidence. I'm also a member of various other forums (non roulette related) and believe me, crazy people are everywhere.
There was a member called "John Gold" back on the VLS forum ages ago who offered free skype sessions where we all copy his bets on Dulinbets, what happened? Everyone lost their money (unless they were playing fake money) and John Gold said they will win back all their money if they continue to follow him on skype. Few days later he posted in the thread where started the dulinbet said something like "I would rather piss on my mum's grave than give my method to you lot and good bye"
I appreciate your efforts JL and you certainly helped everyone alot on here, I just want to keep everyone reminded of the possible pitfalls. I also don't get it how by tracking all the patterns like that can affect what the last pattern will be?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 06:55 AM 2012
You can insert that sentence after anything you care to say, doesn't mean offence won't be taken.
Hola Twister
Are you John's attorney now? ;D The odds that this Pilot gentleman was a bit fake are pretty high but it was not John's fault. The other guys that support John methods pop in once in a while like Chauncey and usually dont play that many games to offer any significant amount of data. Paul thinks that after his 48 games on PB its better to avoid R/B bets because he lost 5 times as opposed to only 2 loses on H/L. Dont we need more games to draw any conclusions like this? This sounds like a newbie stuff to me.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 03, 05:05 AM 2012
Which method is the one you play most and how much is your base bet?
Hi Matt.
Like I say I'am new to most of these gambling concepts. So I had a lot of trial and error. plus learning the methods can be confusing to play them properly at first. but I always tested and played with real money. I learned to test and play with with real money, because that is how i was taught to play poker. when your losing real money. its more motivation to learn. and avoid developing bad habits!
So anyway.
My main play was pattern breaker with 5 dollar base units
i also used code 4, phase 3, hybrid dc4, vertical matrix 30, and vertical matrix 5 hi/lo
.
I have since lowered my base units to 3 dollars.
just because I have learned more and I'm managing my bankroll differently.
I'm also sticking to even chance methods, phase 3. VM5 HL, PB
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 03, 05:51 AM 2012
Yes stay away from those naff play forever bonuses. Keep quite Bcboilermaker, next Amazin will be telling the forum I am you as well. But well done with you efforts.
thanks john.
truly appreciate your work.
Myself I'm 28 years old. I work as a journeyman boilermaker mechanic and welder, so I earn a good wage. I will not even be touching my casino accounts for withdrawals. I'm excited to see how large i can increase my BR in the next 5 years!!! with proper BR management it should be prosperous.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 03, 07:35 AM 2012
Hola Twister
Are you John's attorney now? ;D The odds that this Pilot gentleman was a bit fake are pretty high but it was not John's fault. The other guys that support John methods pop in once in a while like Chauncey and usually don't play that many games to offer any significant amount of data. Paul thinks that after his 48 games on PB its better to avoid R/B bets because he lost 5 times as opposed to only 2 loses on H/L. don't we need more games to draw any conclusions like this? This sounds like a newbie stuff to me.
Honestly I thought JL was fake at the start. Ive been playin his Methods for 3 years now. I did have a period of poor health and I wasnt playin for a while and tbh I forgot alot of what I learned
Ive re read the old Threads and its great to go back in time ! ZIG ZAG where are YOU ??
Anyway, I dont know what you want me to say. Ive played JL's Methods and when they have Bust I have posted so. Ask JL. I was the first to post 2 Busts on his Methods (sorry I dont remember which) and I was known as the Grim Reaper for JL. Funny how no one knocked me back then when they Bust.
Suffice to say you either Play It For Real and experience the experience or you sit on the side lines and say it wont hold up to 1,000,000 Spins
The whole point of this Forum is for us to enjoy the learning experience and hopefully win some money
PB is a great System and 8 on1 (so far is Awesome, on BVNZ) If/when it Busts I will say so. Simples.
I like JL's way of thinking and a new twist to play an old game.
In the end I think we are all smart enough that we are betting
on something we have no control over. If it works great...if not
we move on.
As far as this "Pilot" guy goes...well personally I don't take stock
in peoples bulls*it.
If I say I won xyz amount of money there will be a screen cap or a
photo of the money or something...not just lip service.
I do believe bank rolls and smart betting will prevail. That is what I personally am waiting on...
building my bankroll and taking in alot of info from all you guys.
I wish you all sustained success...
Hi john.
please be pateient with me.
I have a question for you and I realize I seem to ask/rehash this question on most of your methods
but I would like complete confidence in that the method is played correctly. So I'm curious how your tracking zero with in the grid before the betting round?
option 1.
this is how i play
when zero appears in a group of three number, whether it first, middle or end I discard that set of three of numbers and continue tracking for the next set of three.
example
HHL
LLL
HLH
L0H ..... here i completely discard that set of numbers and track the next set of three
LHH
HLH
0HL .... ..again i would ignore this set of numbers.
option 2
If zero appears in a set of three numbers, would you assign it as high or low.. based on what patterns have or have not developed yet?
example
LLL
LL0........ here you would assign it as high?
hopefully you can answer that for me
thanks again!
Bonjour !
It seems that my message has trigger a lot of hate and jealousy specially from guys like Robeenhut and Turner...
Yes, i am french...yes i am living at 5 minutes from the Enghien casino since 25 years (the administator of the forum can check my ip)...yes i played roulette since 40 years in France and only25 years in Enghien (because the roulette was not authorized in this casino before)....yes i speak English almost fluently, which is kind of normal for an ancient airline pilot !...yes i waited just one year to communicate my results, it's not fair to say "it's a holygrail" 1 day after a new system is published on the forum....No, i don't know JohnLegend, i have no idea who he is, it's just a man who make incredible efforts to help his fellows roulette players. Yes i didn't participate a lot to this forum and i am not going to participate more when i see the reactions after a simple message of thanks and encouragement to the community.
Quote from: thepilot on Nov 03, 08:09 AM 2012
Bonjour !
It seems that my message has trigger a lot of hate and jealousy specially from guys like Robeenhut and Turner...
Yes, i am french...yes i am living at 5 minutes from the Enghien casino since 25 years (the administator of the forum can check my ip)...yes i played roulette since 40 years in France and only25 years in Enghien (because the roulette was not authorized in this casino before)....yes i speak English almost fluently, which is kind of normal for an ancient airline pilot !...yes i waited just one year to communicate my results, it's not fair to say "it's a holygrail" 1 day after a new system is published on the forum....No, i don't know JohnLegend, i have no idea who he is, it's just a man who make incredible efforts to help his fellows roulette players. Yes i didn't participate a lot to this forum and i am not going to participate more when i see the reactions after a simple message of thanks and encouragement to the community.
Hi. Pilot
I'm confident in this method.
nor am I part of any johnlegend conspiracy. lol
you could comment on my above post?
BC - Just a suggestion on your plan of storing your winnings in your casino account.
Would it not be better to make regular structured withdrawals into a real bank account eg a new a/c just for saving any winnings? That way you actually have your money 100% & available earning interest if in a suitable a/c. Casino a/cs don't earn interest so over time inflation erodes the value of your money.
Things can happen to on line casinos, even to a point of insolvency? Like how would you feel if you had a 6 figure sum in your casino a/c after say 4 1/2 years only to lose it because the casino went bust or substantially changed their rules ?
Also check the terms & conditions carefully as I remember reading something about time conditions at 1 on line casino on a/c moneys & other withdrawal rules like maximum take out amounts in any one month. I wish you every success.
Cheers, Ausguy.
Quote from: thepilot on Nov 03, 08:09 AM 2012
Bonjour !
It seems that my message has trigger a lot of hate and jealousy specially from guys like Robeenhut and Turner...
Yes, i am french...yes i am living at 5 minutes from the Enghien casino since 25 years (the administator of the forum can check my ip)...yes i played roulette since 40 years in France and only25 years in Enghien (because the roulette was not authorized in this casino before)....yes i speak English almost fluently, which is kind of normal for an ancient airline pilot !...yes i waited just one year to communicate my results, it's not fair to say "it's a holygrail" 1 day after a new system is published on the forum....No, i don't know JohnLegend, i have no idea who he is, it's just a man who make incredible efforts to help his fellows roulette players. Yes i didn't participate a lot to this forum and i am not going to participate more when i see the reactions after a simple message of thanks and encouragement to the community.
I would not use such strong words as hate and jealousy in relation to your post. Rather a dose of skepticism. Its not that often here that somebody plays with such high stakes and shares his success story. And that is connected to JL who is the main story here now on this forum some dont treat as a coincidence. :D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 03, 07:35 AM 2012
Hola Twister
Are you John's attorney now? ;D The odds that this Pilot gentleman was a bit fake are pretty high but it was not John's fault. The other guys that support John methods pop in once in a while like Chauncey and usually don't play that many games to offer any significant amount of data. Paul thinks that after his 48 games on PB its better to avoid R/B bets because he lost 5 times as opposed to only 2 loses on H/L. don't we need more games to draw any conclusions like this? This sounds like a newbie stuff to me.
Yes im new on here Robeenhut, but been playing roulette for 5 years. Yes probably newbie !!! Im only posting my results. There is no system that wins all the time. I tried most of em on here, and in my opinion JL pattern Breaker is a good one. Its simple and it works. Ill keep playing it, and im gonna log all my results.
Everyone has played and got to the point where they give up ! So i have decided to stick with this system and play it regular and see if a regular profit can be made week in, week out ...
Everyone has invented a system of there own, but it takes guts to publish one on here, Cause u can get slaughtered by doing so.
Quote from: kevint3 on Nov 03, 07:51 AM 2012
If I say I won xyz amount of money there will be a screen cap or a
photo of the money or something...not just lip service.
[attach=1]
here is a picture of a bonus i released using only JLs methods.
deposited 150 with initial bonus of 225 so a BR of 375 the bonus i was going after
wagering requirements were 4500. roulette counts for only 25% , so I had to bet 18000.
I completed that with a BR of close to 1000 dollars.
Quote from: ausguy on Nov 03, 08:26 AM 2012
BC - Just a suggestion on your plan of storing your winnings in your casino account.
Would it not be better to make regular structured withdrawals into a real bank account e.g. a new a/c just for saving any winnings? That way you actually have your money 100% & available earning interest if in a suitable a/c. Casino a/cs don't earn interest so over time inflation erodes the value of your money.
Things can happen to on line casinos, even to a point of insolvency? Like how would you feel if you had a 6 figure sum in your casino a/c after say 4 1/2 years only to lose it because the casino went bust or substantially changed their rules ?
Also check the terms & conditions carefully as I remember reading something about time conditions at 1 on line casino on a/c moneys & other withdrawal rules like maximum take out amounts in any one month. I wish you every success.
Cheers, Ausguy.
Hi Ausguy.
I understand that concern. and will hopefully be able to make regular withdrawals. my goal is as of now is to build a strong enough BR to use these methods with a significant more valuable unit size. and then cream off winnings from that point.
Quote from: Bcboilermaker on Nov 03, 07:55 AM 2012
Hi john.
please be pateient with me.
I have a question for you and I realize I seem to ask/rehash this question on most of your methods
but I would like complete confidence in that the method is played correctly. So I'm curious how your tracking zero with in the grid before the betting round?
option 1.
this is how i play
when zero appears in a group of three number, whether it first, middle or end I discard that set of three of numbers and continue tracking for the next set of three.
example
HHL
LLL
HLH
L0H ..... here i completely discard that set of numbers and track the next set of three
LHH
HLH
0HL .... ..again i would ignore this set of numbers.
option 2
If zero appears in a set of three numbers, would you assign it as high or low.. based on what patterns have or have not developed yet?
example
LLL
LL0........ here you would assign it as high?
hopefully you can answer that for me
thanks again!
Back in the day this Question came up a lot
I have ALWAYS chosen to ignore Zero, so when it comes up I just don't write it down
I also play with one Trigger on a 2 step and I cover Zero with a 1 Euro chip to cover my bet as if I lose I want it to be too the Pattern Matching and not by a Zero
That is MY personal preference :thumbsup:
Hello AND Bonjour to YOU Pilot.
Very interesting to read your take on how you PERFORM on a Live-Table in a B+M Casino using only JL's PB system.
I play with £5 chips D/C E/C bets NEVER the numbers SO i can relate to the stakes you play with.
Max bet for me has been £270 plus Zero cover at the top of the progression.
Great thing in a Casino is that whether you are a King or a Pauper you are in effect equal except for the BR.
Further Good Luck to you and once again BIG thanks to JL for MAKING MONEY FROM MATRIX.
Dino.
I also consider the zero a non-event unless it is used in the betting. If you think about it long enough you will arrive at the conclusion that the spin actually did not happen as far as your system goes.
Let's say I'm tracking 9 v 9 by FLATman. Zero comes. Ignore it and it will go away!
Samster
Quote from: thepilot on Nov 03, 08:09 AM 2012
Bonjour !
It seems that my message has trigger a lot of hate and jealousy specially from guys like Robeenhut and Turner...
Yes, i am french...yes i am living at 5 minutes from the Enghien casino since 25 years (the administator of the forum can check my ip)...yes i played roulette since 40 years in France and only25 years in Enghien (because the roulette was not authorized in this casino before)....yes i speak English almost fluently, which is kind of normal for an ancient airline pilot !...yes i waited just one year to communicate my results, it's not fair to say "it's a holygrail" 1 day after a new system is published on the forum....No, i don't know JohnLegend, i have no idea who he is, it's just a man who make incredible efforts to help his fellows roulette players. Yes i didn't participate a lot to this forum and i am not going to participate more when i see the reactions after a simple message of thanks and encouragement to the community.
Hey there Pilot!!
I don't hate you or am Jealous. Its much simpler than those 2 complex emotions.
I just don't believe you. :thumbsup:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 03, 10:08 AM 2012
I also consider the zero a non-event unless it is used in the betting. If you think about it long enough you will arrive at the conclusion that the spin actually did not happen as far as your system goes.
Let's say I'm tracking 9 v 9 by FLATman. Zero comes. Ignore it and it will go away!
Samster
LOL well said Sam :thumbsup:
hello
since a long time almost all dicussion here are about john legend
he say he have the holy grail
he have 4 or 5 follower whi seem to win
and all other people in this forum saying his system don't work
as we all need and want to beat the game
all this is strange very strange
when you ask him (JL)his method don't work
he invent new rules he don't answer
or he say its fault of Hit and run
even if i am a real french playing roulette for a long long time i don't believe
in those system ,a system who is a winner and with strict rules
must be winner for everybody
itis not like signum system
who require different interpretation
i don't understand JL politic
of bombarding this forum and with new method
everey 15 days
iff i have a winning system
i will be on casino taking there money
i have seen so mutch scammer
crazy people in this business
that i am really confuse with JL statement
why two scat sam is not winning with Jl method
he is the guy who have test almost alll system here !!
why GLC is not winning?
why? mrore is not winning
why robert hunt is not winning??
those people are like me they have nothing against JL of course
they simply want to win and they can t with JL method
these approch of roulette with pattern is one approch like many others
and not wiiner in the long run
we can discuss on JL approach but we cannot say its winner system
if it was winner i will be this afternoon in Monte carlo witch is near from my
home town Nice and take money from casino !!!!
and i willl be happy to take thm 75 000 euros a year
Also i have try to pm to the Pilot in french
he never answer me !! per haps he don't understand my mesage in English LoL
@the pilot
salut pilote
je t ai envoyé plusieurs messages privé
et bien sur pas de réponse de ta part
c'est dommage car j aurais aimé avoir de plus amples explicitations
sur les systèmes de Jl
je ne suis pas la pour te critiquer
comme cest souvent le cas en tre systemiers dans les casino en France
mais simplement discuter entre joueur d'expérience
voila c'est tout
peut être a bientôt
JL had a good Session at PaddyPower today
Im playin their Live Wheel while playin BVNZ
Im Flat out LOL :xd:
I love bein pushed to the Max with concentration
Anyway with PB I play a 2 step
I dont bet the first outcome just the 2nd and 3rd
How do YOU play the Zero ?
Quote from: Bcboilermaker on Nov 03, 08:39 AM 2012
[attach=1]
here is a picture of a bonus i released using only JLs methods.
deposited 150 with initial bonus of 225 so a BR of 375 the bonus i was going after
wagering requirements were 4500. roulette counts for only 25% , so I had to bet 18000.
I completed that with a BR of close to 1000 dollars.
Goodjob BC Boilermaker.
Backs up his statements with proof.
Good stuff!
about the Pilot
my french compatriote
answer me in a long privite email
he is really french
he seem to be very serious and he know the game of roulette
he play with a high value of money
so i am really puzzle with this JL system
If he made 6000 euro a month
i think i can do myself
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 03, 03:40 PM 2012
about the Pilot
my french compatriote
answer me in a long privite email
he is really french
he seem to be very serious and he know the game of roulette
he play with a high value of money
so i am really puzzle with this JL system
If he made 6000 euro a month
i think i can do myself
Well I'll be a son of a bitch!
I am beginning to have my doubts with all those " verifications " that are still unsubstantiated.
Question remains: HOW trustworthy is roulettefan backing up the pilot. Even the roulette king was backed up in his scheme by 5 unimpeachable sources who turned out to be fake.
A lot of B.S. is is circulating the internet. Who has time to separate the bull from the truth ?
N.D.
Quote from: Tamino on Nov 03, 06:17 PM 2012
A lot of B.S. is is circulating the internet. Who has time to separate the bull from the truth ?
N.D.
Dear Nathan
I would say depending on what kind of proof you want. If words of fairytales are enough for you, then listen to some guys here.
If you want something true, sense, touchable and provable you can look at Bayses test of simulation of "hit and run". Which he did some time ago.
Results were..hm.. guess like what >:D
Interesting is if that what JL says is true and all results of succesfull players with his methods are
true then you can say that math is biggest fallacy ever seen. And that something what math proves can be proved opposite, which is hm.. impossible?
But I don't want to start discussion with John about that. Many as I also have seen here, that he has been incredibly incositent in some of his claims and in some acts during his test of proving he can beat the game with his approach.
And all real true roulette knowledgers are for sure unanimous in one: Hit and run is fallacy! And that can be proved as everyone could check it! But JL-s wins and wins of these "guys" who are playing with his methods, can not. Not even close to proving that.
Cheers
Drazen
@tamino
im not fake
im real
pilot really send me 3 long mail
he is a real player
he tell me he is french this is true
how he spoke about roulette he is not a newbie nor me
he tell me he is winning this i cannot verify ?
on my side i never say i am winner with jl metod
and even as i say before i am very suspicious on winning system
i am in roulette since more than 30 years !!!
i dont find any wining system
exept balistic if you play with computer !!
of course in this business there is scammer fake id etc but here its not the case
im on roulette forum since the begining i was on gamblers glen with pseudo jp shaft long time ago
i dont participte as english is not my first language
but i follow forum every days
you can also see that my english is very poor compare to pilot
pilot and me 2 different persons
A long term winning system could be played anywhere and anytime. You could hit and run or sit there for 12 hours. Hit and run without a long term winner is like playing russian roulette. There is a bullet somewhere in that barrel with your name on it. Nobody is going to come here bragging that they lost 75,000 playing some glorified progression.
bob.
Drazen
,If someone claims to win 280 spins out of 280 spins then it`s time for the HIGH boots because the B.S. is piling up.
I sincerely hope that nobody eats that kind of a claim hook line and sinker.
You have well observed the inconsitsencies in Jl `s posts.
Nathan D.
********************************************************
ROULETTEFAN,
You sound sincere but it is still the internet. None of us is immune from this curse of suspicion.
Tamino
@ALL pattern break players
Sheet 1: EVEN / ONEVEN
Sheet 2: HIGH / LOW
sheet 3: BLACK / RED
do your tests and be convinced
At all a nice sunday, it's raining in Belgium
Ludo8400
Quote from: ludo8400 on Nov 04, 05:50 AM 2012
@ALL pattern break players
Sheet 1: EVEN / ONEVEN
Sheet 2: HIGH / LOW
sheet 3: BLACK / RED
do your tests and be convinced
At all a nice sunday, it's raining in Belgium
Ludo8400
Thanks Ludo, let me share my excel sheet with you. It's much more simple as i really don't care how many times a pattern happens. I just make a cross in front of each pattern when it happens and it's very easy to see when you have to play against the eight.
It's in french (sorry for those who believe that i am fron the us...), so R is Red, N is black, P is even, I is odd, H and L are in english to avoid any confusion with the P in french which means Passe (high).
@ ALL pattern breaker players
just changes my excel pattern breaker.
1. Just bring in the number on page 1 and it's copied in page 2 and 3
2. The 8 possibilities to play are evaluating with the row. No more schroll anymore, to see what is the 8th pattern
@ The Pilot.
Yes I knew that you don't need the number of same possibilitie in the colomn, but it's good to know.
:D
Ludo8400
Quote from: Tamino on Nov 03, 06:17 PM 2012
I am beginning to have my doubts with all those " verifications " that are still unsubstantiated.
Question remains: HOW trustworthy is roulettefan backing up the pilot. Even the roulette king was backed up in his scheme by 5 unimpeachable sources who turned out to be fake.
A lot of B.S. is is circulating the internet. Who has time to separate the bull from the truth ?
N.D.
LoL...I'm getting paranoid too Nathan.......now I see Roulettefan typing as Ludo8400
he forgot to stop refering to people as.
@The Pilot (its a little typing trait of his)
LoL....I must admit, I do enjoy all this c.rap.
Its the amature detective in me struggling to get out.
Shirlock Turner
Not to forget the entertainment value to read this " Who Done it" or better " Who Didn`t".
The titleof all this caper could be the Broadway Musical " Promises, Promises"
Enjoy.
N.D.
@ludo
salut ludo
salut la belgique
que donne tes tests avec ce fameux pattern breaker a long terme
on etait deja en contact par rapport a signum il y a qq années
im asking ludo about his own experience with pattern breaker
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 04, 07:10 AM 2012
@ludo
salut ludo
salut la belgique
que donne tes tests avec ce fameux pattern breaker a long terme
on etait deja en contact par rapport a signum il y a qq années
I'm asking ludo about his own experience with pattern breaker
first sign of madness...talking to yerself :thumbsup:
Quote from: ludo8400 on Nov 04, 06:19 AM 2012
@ ALL pattern breaker players
just changes my excel pattern breaker.
1. Just bring in the number on page 1 and it's copied in page 2 and 3
2. The 8 possibilities to play are evaluating with the row. No more schroll anymore, to see what is the 8th pattern
@ The Pilot.
Yes I knew that you don't need the number of same possibilitie in the colomn, but it's good to know.
:D
Ludo8400
Hi ludo8400
I don't understand what 111 and 112 and 121....etc
@turner
the pilot is from paris
ludo is from belgium
me roulettefan im from Nice
ask steve to chek ip
i dont use a proxy myself
pilot is using proxy as he want to watch us tv witch is impossible to watch directly from france due to the copyright the us tv are bloked from europe
turner send me a pm i will give you my personal phone you call me
you will see im not fake
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 04, 07:24 AM 2012
@turner
the pilot is from paris
ludo is from belgium
me roulettefan I'm from Nice
ask Steve to chek ip
i don't use a proxy myself
pilot is using proxy as he want to watch us tv witch is impossible to watch directly from france due to the copyright the us tv are bloked from europe
turner send me a pm i will give you my personal phone you call me
you will see I'm not fake
;D Relax its just a British sense of humor of Turner. And i like my new nickname you have given me... Robert Hunt
Regards
Ok if anyone is interested I will post my Results for PB as I go
I Play Live at Paddypower while playing 8 on 1 on BVNZ
PB is slow so it suits me as a "filler"
I play all 3 EC'S
I cover Zero with a minimum Chip as I would prefer to lose to a pure Pattern (thats just me)
I also only play the 2nd and/or 3rd Outcome
Current Stats:
R/B Played 4 won 4
H/L Played 4 won 4
O/E Played 4 won 4
+12 points
@face
1= RED, ONEVEN, LOW
2: BLACK, EVEN HIGH
Why?
1 is first mumber on table, RED, ONEVEN and LOW
ludo8400 :thumbsup:
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@roulettefan
non, signum je ne joue plus[/size]Pattern Breaker j'ai mis en excel et je joue en :. casino777.be (link:://casino777.be/)J'utelise le montante 1,2, 4 mais c'est dangereux .Une autre montante est 2,3,43,4,64,6,96,9, 13etc...Comme JohnLegend dit Patience et pour SIX pièces gain par jour. Et peut-être , il a raison en mème temps sur les 3 chanches simples ce ne vas pas perdre.AmicalementLudo8400 ( Ostende Belgique)
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non, signum je ne joue plus[/size]Pattern Breaker j'ai mis en excel et je joue en :. casino777.be (link:://casino777.be/)J'utelise le montante 1,2, 4 mais c'est dangereux .Une autre montante est
2,3,43,4,64,6,96,9, 13etc...Comme JohnLegend dit Patience et pour SIX pièces par jour. Et peut-être , il a raison en mème temps sur les 3 chanches simples ce ne vas pas perdre.AmicalementLudo8400 ( Ostende Belgique)[/size][/font]
ludo
merci pour ta reponse
peux tu repreciser ta montante
tu dit 1,2,4 dangeureux
apres je coprend plus
2,342,4,64,6,96,6,13etc??
peut etre des erreurs au niveau de la virgule
dit moi
donc tu cherches 6 pieces par jours
quel est ta valeur de piece sur casino 777?
merci ludo pour ton aide si precieuse
@twister
what is your progresion with pattern breaker ?
do you use a recovery progression?
you play continuous game ?
what is the size of your bankroll?
what value unit you play online
thanks
Can someone please answer my question. By tracking each pattern and cross them out until one left, how will it have any impact on the pattern that will appear at last?
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 04, 08:35 AM 2012
@twister
what is your progresion with pattern breaker ?
do you use a recovery progression?
you play continuous game ?
what is the size of your bankroll?
what value unit you play online
thanks
My progression is 1 Unit then 2 Units usin 3 seperate Banks
I play 1 session at a time. Once all 3 EC's have hit or lost I finish
My BR is 3 Banks for each EC
Unit size is meaningless as its always relative to the person playing. But I will say Im not playin 50 100 thats for sure
Quote from: Amazin on Nov 04, 08:53 AM 2012
Can someone please answer my question. By tracking each pattern and cross them out until one left, how will it have any impact on the pattern that will appear at last?
Honestly I cant. Maybe there is no effect or impact
However IF I played this betting any 1 of the 8 patterns my results would be worse. Again I dont know why.
I just play and post results win or lose.
Quote from: Amazin on Nov 04, 08:53 AM 2012
Can someone please answer my question. By tracking each pattern and cross them out until one left, how will it have any impact on the pattern that will appear at last?
well for sure it is risk vs reward as they say. You can have 7 different patterns from 8 come up and you are a winner. Or you can play 50/50 and just have one side in your favour. You have to make your choice one way or the other.
bob.
@ roulettefan (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=profile;u=1086)
Sorry
The progression before I gave was for dozens.
I use
1,2, 4
Than 4,4, 8
On :.casino777.be (link:://:.casino777.be) I played 1 euro on small betts roulette.
ludo8400
Please explain again how this system works for me :-[
HHH (1) (4)
LLL (2)
HLH (3)
LHL (5) (8 )
HHL (6)
LLH (7) (9)
HLL (10)
LHH
in a row (11) we bet HLL , is it true ?
if loss ,we bet HLL in row (12) , is it true ?
If Win, we start from beginning , is it true ?
thank you
Just played 1 Session. Took about 45 minutes Live
All 3 Outcomes hit on the First Bet
Current Stats:
R/B Played 5 won 5
H/L Played 5 won 5
O/E Played 5 won 5
+15 points
Quote from: Amazin on Nov 04, 08:53 AM 2012
Can someone please answer my question. By tracking each pattern and cross them out until one left, how will it have any impact on the pattern that will appear at last?
My two pennies............
A two-word answer to your question: It won't. Unless you are willing to delve into the world of Voodoo, what has happened in the past has no bearing on the future.
Now let me ask you one........
What if it came time to bet and the casino came under attack by a terrorist and you had to evacuate. Suppose three days later you came back to that same wheel. Would your bet still be valid? If so, why? If not, why? Naturally, this is a sweep-under-the-rug question, however it is based in logic.
Sam
Just leave the bet. It has the same chance as 3 days ago.
N.D.
OK just had my first loss, it was on E/O
So on the fly I decided to increase my Stake on the remaining two EC's, both Won on the first bet
Current Stats:
R/B Played 5 won 5
H/L Played 5 won 5
O/E Played 5 won 4
+16 points
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 04, 01:07 PM 2012
My two pennies............
A two-word answer to your question: It won't. Unless you are willing to delve into the world of Voodoo, what has happened in the past has no bearing on the future.
Now let me ask you one........
What if it came time to bet and the casino came under attack by a terrorist and you had to evacuate. Suppose three days later you came back to that same wheel. Would your bet still be valid? If so, why? If not, why? Naturally, this is a sweep-under-the-rug question, however it is based in logic.
Sam
Interesting question. My opinion is that by tracking all the patterns and cross them out will have no impact what so ever. It will still be 8:1. We are wasting our time here by tracking and waiting.
I'm not sure about how to answer that question, I have mixed ideas about it. In some ways, random leave foot prints and by tracking we are following the foot print. Where does it lead you? Most of time I think its bankruptcy. Thats why betting against it might be bit better? I don't know to be honest.
So if you come back after 3 days, random will be operating on a different frequency?
hello to all, Is this pattern breaker working or not?
should I start playing it or not?
I am not interested in polemics and I am asking genuine members of this forum, should I take 2,3 bankrolls and go to the casino tomorrow and start playing or it is a waste of time and money?
thank you for the possible responses...
@drazen_cro, stari pozdrav iz lijepe naše.
Quote from: the_man on Nov 04, 05:50 PM 2012
hello to all, Is this pattern breaker working or not?
should I start playing it or not?
I am not interested in polemics and I am asking genuine members of this forum, should I take 2,3 bankrolls and go to the casino tomorrow and start playing or it is a waste of time and money?
thank you for the possible responses...
@drazen_cro, stari pozdrav iz lijepe naše.
Oh hello there sir :) Pozdrav i vama
I ll sent you PM
Cheers
Drazen
Amazin
What I know for sure is this: What patterns the wheel produces today may not appear again for two days. And they may! While playing the G.U.T. there are days when crossings just hit like crazy and days where they don't hit at all. Why is that? Luck? Could be.
But in every system I've ever played the wheel will do this a while and then that a while. Maybe this is random painting a picture. Some days it paints a picture you love; some days it paints your x-wife!!
Sam
Quote from: Paul2012 on Nov 03, 05:45 AM 2012
I been playing this system, and my results are as follows ...
Played 48 games of H/L won 46 lost 2. Strike rate... 23/1
I have also like JL, kept records of R/B and O/E and there results were as follows.
R/B played 48 games . Won 43 lost 5 Strike rate 8.6/1
O/E played 48 games. Won 44 lost 4 Strike rate 11/1
From these records i think i will only play H/L but am happy with the return so far.
I play on Ladbrokes casino, mostly on the Live London wheel, the dealers on there are a right laugh... :xd:
I am goin to try this on Barraccat as well, as there are no Zero's to deal with and there is no way the cards can be fixed. I still have doubts over live casino and how the ball sometimes breakdances into a certain number :question:...
So thanks JL for this system mate, and i am going to continue keeping records and hopefully continue a good strike rate. One question JL, do you play on same online live table each time or play on different tables.
Since I started playing PB I@ve tracked my results and I've found that I lose more often on Red/Black than I do on the other two each way bets (high/low and odd/even)
I think that the fact the wheel, apart from green, is alternate Red number then Black number then Red etc...is just too uniform in pattern. I prefer the other 2 options as they aren't as uniform in their pattern on the wheel.
(link:://:.gambling-hall-online.com/roulette/img/european_roulette_wheel.gif)
You can see that the even/odd layout of the wheel is not EVEN...then ODD....then EVEN etc...it is different in different parts of the wheel. Same with HIGH/LOW albeit with only a few more changes in the pattern on the wheel, than red/black.
I only play HIGH LOW and EVEN ODD
Quote from: ausguy on Nov 03, 08:26 AM 2012
BC - Just a suggestion on your plan of storing your winnings in your casino account.
Would it not be better to make regular structured withdrawals into a real bank account e.g. a new a/c just for saving any winnings? That way you actually have your money 100% & available earning interest if in a suitable a/c. Casino a/cs don't earn interest so over time inflation erodes the value of your money.
Things can happen to on line casinos, even to a point of insolvency? Like how would you feel if you had a 6 figure sum in your casino a/c after say 4 1/2 years only to lose it because the casino went bust or substantially changed their rules ?
Also check the terms & conditions carefully as I remember reading something about time conditions at 1 on line casino on a/c moneys & other withdrawal rules like maximum take out amounts in any one month. I wish you every success.
Cheers, Ausguy.
I preach this as well. Have your BR in YOUR BANK ACCOUNT - When playing deposit only what your total loss for that method would be. Have your bankroll in a savings account that you can access online or daily for cash if playing bricks and mortar casinos.
Keep your day to day expenses in a separate bank account and keep your roulette bankroll in an account you wouldn't normally use as much.
Don't spend money playing roulette that you'd need to buy food and pay bills. Number 1 rule there :thumbsup:
Companies go bust in hours and if you left 15k in your account and they went bust you could find that you wake up one morning and lost it all. :sad2:
Keep 14,500 in your roulette real bank account....and play with 500 in your gaming account.
When you need to top up after a loss for example then you top up another BR to cover 1 loss again and play. If at the end of the week you are in profit then withdraw what extra money, over 1 loss, into your account and grow your real life savings account with the withdrawals and the interest off your bank.
Quote from: Bcboilermaker on Nov 03, 08:52 AM 2012
Hi Ausguy.
I understand that concern. and will hopefully be able to make regular withdrawals. my goal is as of now is to build a strong enough BR to use these methods with a significant more valuable unit size. and then cream off winnings from that point.
If a total loss is 7 units (betting 1, 2, 4 units) and you just suck up any loss and never increase your bet, then your bankroll needs to be 20 times a loss....minimum.
Why 20 you may ask?
It's to do with the "fear/panic factor" when we take a loss.
Say you have a bankroll of £100 (I'm using GPB £'s as I'm from the UK) say you have that 100 bankroll and you were playing £5 units, due to the fact you didn't really know much about money management techniques. Your 3 bets would be £5, £10, £20 - That's a loss of £35 which against a £100 bankroll is over a third. If you lose a third of your bankroll then the fear can creep into your mindset and make you try to recoup some of it back fast...You've just lost a third of your bankroll, that's a scary thought and one that catches MANY people out and makes them chase a quick recovery. We all know that this can be fatal to your remaining bankroll. NEVER CHASE - PATIENCE WINS....NOT RASH "FAST RECOVERY" BETS
BUT...and here is where the "20 times" bankroll mindset comes in...When you take a loss of £35 but your bankroll is in excess of £700, well, that's a SERIOUSLY less fearful loss when you look at your bankroll 1/20th which is mentally a LOT easier to take and even walk away with a "Oooh nice one random, you got me there but I@ll get you the next time"...perhaps with a wry smile from you too :)
This is just my money management suggestion for pattern breaker -
ASSUMING £1 is 1unit
TO BET BR NEEDED
1 unit 140units
2 units 280units
3 units 420units
4 units 560units
5 units 700units
so to bet £1 you need a BR of 140
£2 ........................£280
£3 ........................£420
£4 ........................£560
£5.........................£700
I'd suggest that you stick with £5 units as you only need to play 2-4 games a day to take out a nice amount of money at the end of each month for life's nicer things (holiday, presents for kids etc)
I'd also suggest that you reach the next bankroll mark before betting the corresponding unit size. By that I mean this
Wait until your bankroll is £280
BEFORE MOVING UP TO £2 UNITS...i.e. stay at £1 units until your BR is £280 ONLY THEN move up to using £2 units and so on....wait until your BR is at £420
BEFORE MOVING FROM £2 UP TO £3 UNITSIf you have a substantial BR like £3,500
You can then look at really serious money making by using units worth £25 betting sequence would be something like £25, £50, £100.
With a bankroll that size you can perhaps afford to cover the green Zero on the last bet with perhaps a £5 on green zero as insurance...each to their own on that green zero bet though. I cover green on my last bet as I@ve hit it so many times on a final bet.
Remember to keep your BR in your own savings account though and not all in a casino account :) Let the interest grow it as well as your game play winnings :thumbsup:
Quote from: ludo8400 on Nov 04, 05:50 AM 2012
@ALL pattern break players
Sheet 1: EVEN / ONEVEN
Sheet 2: HIGH / LOW
sheet 3: BLACK / RED
do your tests and be convinced
At all a nice sunday, it's raining in Belgium
Ludo8400
Ludo what am I looking at here? what does the excel sheet mean?
Subby.
This is also something I noticed.
If you notice, red and black are alternate on the wheel, but odd/even, high/low are not quite and there are mini groups that could just tip the balance. For instance 10-5-24-16 you have 3 low numbers out of 4 and 3 even numbers out of the same 4another example 15-19-4-21 here we have 3 odd numbers in a sector of 4.
Art.
Quote from: artattack on Nov 05, 04:57 AM 2012
Subby.
This is also something I noticed.
If you notice, red and black are alternate on the wheel, but odd/even, high/low are not quite and there are mini groups that could just tip the balance. For instance 10-5-24-16 you have 3 low numbers out of 4 and 3 even numbers out of the same 4another example 15-19-4-21 here we have 3 odd numbers in a sector of 4.
Art.
That's EXACTLY what I mean :thumbsup:
For those looking the meaning of this pattern Breaker method it is, in its purest form....
Random you've given me, since I started playing this session, every combination apart from the one that is left to give me. I'm betting that on the next 3 spins that you can't give me that exact combination I need to have filled ALL combinations, right here, right now...in the next 3 spins.
More often than not, it can't give you that exact combination at that exact time you ask it to and therefore you win 1 unit. Yes it does but with a hit rate of 10/11wins of 1 unit to 1 total loss(7 units) = +4 units on average...you'll be grinding out unit wins until your bankroll lets you play large money units to make yourself some cash each month.
Ophis has a tracker for pattern breaker and other methods, which asks you to click on the spun numbers and it tracks for you telling when to bet and how much. His tracker is free but I'd recommend you throw him a few units thanks when you have downloaded it as it's a great tool he has given us. He has a paypal account to donate to.
link:://rmst.forumer.com/index.php (link:://rmst.forumer.com/index.php)
I've had his tracker for a long time now so not sure if this link still works. Also if this link isn't allowed on these forums then sorry but I think it's ok.
Hi. subby
thanks for the advice.
@subby
all you say on money management is good
i also use ophis tracker witch is the best tracker for pattern breaker
you must register to his forum to have acces to the tracker
about the strike rate you say 11/1
on the long run with some variation during the game of course
does this : hit rate of 10/11wins of 1 unit to 1 total loss(7 units) = +4 units on average.have been tested and confirmed deeply by you
and your experimentation??
i also think is better to take the loss than recover
the pilot tell me he play 1,2,4
and don't recover the losses
i made 22 play this morning at smarlive casino live roulette
this morning 1euro unit
19 win
3 lost
strike rate 6,3
it s a very bad strike rate bankroll any way -2 !!!
I play until I get 5 units. I play on paddypower website where they have 5 live dealer tables so it's 1 unit from each table then that's me finished. I wouldn't hang around to play 20 games on one table and not 20 games in 1 day. Just my personal opinon.
If you have a bankroll of 100 units and you lose 7 (1 total loss for pattern Breaker) that's not much really of a % loss of your overall bankroll.
You're playing too fast and too much in one go. Play 5 games in one day and from experience you will get 3 or 4 days of no losses which will let you build your bankroll up when you DO lose...ULTRA MARATHON...not a sprint :thumbsup:
thank subby for your answer
do you really think
it change something if you play continuosly
or if you play little session each day
because at the end when you add those small session
it will be a long seesion
i just ask for your experiene
playing not a lot of seesion a day is really important
to win this game ??,
It's all about a mindset roulettefan.
If you say to yourself...today I'm going in to play 5 games only ...then that EXACTLY what you do. Regardless of if you get five wins in those 5 games or four wins and one loss etc...
Never play more than five games in one day. More often than not you will win all five games and you can go 4 or 5 days or more when you win all five games.
The more you play consistently at one table the more likely that random will find a way to beat you. I know most people don't believe in playing hit and run but I swear by it. I think that there are long periods in a day when things will go your way in numbers spun by the wheel but if you play long hours then you'll be more likely to hit one of the times in the day when numbers will go against you. Just my opinion.
If you play hit and run for 5 games there is more chance of you playing in the zone when things will go your way. If you play longer then there is more chance that you'll also hit the bad zone when things will go against you...like hitting a triple spun number etc..
If I can also refer you to a post I made and put in another thread on here...
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In the new year I'll have what I need to keep the BR for playing the game with and not have to look to use it for other stuff. I'd like a BR sufficiently big to eventually get me a regular £100 a week extra then I can start to take out that £100 and use it.
Iron will and patience is the key and the sooner you realise this then the better off you'll be sooner. Far too many with the "win fast and win loads now" mentality, doing the rounds. Winning 10 units a day for about 300 units a month = £300 a month. That might not sound a lot...but if you can work your BR over the space of 6-12 months to give you the breathing space to see your unit value easily go from £1 units to even just £2 units makes that end month amount of STILL 300 units....worth £600...now we're talking. Imagine the standard 300 units a month when you've grown your BR through laser discipline....when you have £5 units x the 300 units a month....£1500 spending money a month is where you start to have fun.
To play £5 units risking maybe 81 units (code 4 for example) that's £400+ which is really steep to lose that on one loss....BUT....if you've taken 12 months to grow your BR at low unit stakes up to the point you can afford to play £5 unit stakes...then your BR should be up in the £6000-£8000 region. Losing £400 out of £8000 isn't something that should, by the stage your br is that high, be something that affects your mentality in playing the game. If you have worked your BR to that level your mental toughness to deal with a loss and not risk a "rash" bet, is at, then you're "above" that "rash" play risk and you'll just keep coining in it playing for 10 units a day.
It is ALL about having the mental will to do it...few if many, perhaps less than 1% of players, will have that mindset toughness to get to the stage where you have a huge BR and good money coming in each month even after taking into account losses in the month....It's being that 1% that's the hard bit to do ...not playing the game systems.
Just my two cents...
Don't look for the fast approach, look for the solid approach and build that bankroll up to the point where you can bet £10 units...or â,¬10 units...with a large bankroll behind you then you can bet with ease and not worry about a loss while still making £300+ or â,¬300+ a month for extra spending money
Take the LONG outlook view for playing a method...it's a REAL hard grind at the start to get your bankroll up high but if you can do it, the rewards are there for sure.
Say you play 5 games a day of PATTERN BREAKER for 30 days...that's 150 games in one month...just as an example ok.
Taking a 10win to 1loss view then you can expect, from that 150 games, something like...
130 wins of 1 unit = 130 units
You'll expect to hit 10-14 losses over that month's worth of 150 games which works out at - 7units x 14losses = 98 units lost
130units won - 90 units lost = 40 units profit for the month
40 units @ £1 or â,¬1 doesn't sound much...but if you build on that and do this a number of months so your bankroll lets you play £5 or â,¬5 units....then that 40 units profit each month x £5/â,¬5 = 200 which is a nice earner each month.
...take it one stage further like the poster called Pilot has...where your 1 unit is £50/â,¬50 then multiply that by 40 units profit each month...2,000!!! That is where you want to be. BUT...and this is the HUGE BUT...it is the patience needed to GET your small bankroll up to a huge level that is the hard part. Playing the system isn't hard, it's the mental ability to stick to a method that seems to be going slowly...only for it to explode after 5-6 months.
Can you do that 5-6 months play to get your BR up? That's the key.
Say you started with 100 units bankroll
End of month 1 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about 100 units plus 40 you win = 140units betting £1 units
End of month 2 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about 140 units plus 40 you win = 180units betting £1 units
End of month 3 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about 180 units plus 40 you win = 220units betting £1 units
End of month 4 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker going to be about 220 units plus 40 you win = 260units betting £1 units
End of month 5 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker going to be about 260 units plus 40 you win = 300units betting £1 units
At this stage...300 units in our BR...we've now gone past the "bankroll needed to move up a unit value" (20 times a total loss) 7 units as a loss x 20 = 140units
I'd also suggest that you reach the next bankroll mark before betting the corresponding unit size. By that I mean this
Wait until your bankroll is £280 BEFORE MOVING UP TO £2 UNITS...i.e. stay at £1 units until your BR is £280 ONLY THEN move up to using £2 units and so on....wait until your BR is at £420 BEFORE MOVING FROM £2 UP TO £3 UNITS
so to bet £1 you need a BR of 140
£2 ........................£280
£3 ........................£420
£4 ........................£560
£5.........................£700
You're at end of month 5 and now with a BR of over 300 it allows you to move the unit value up form £1 up to £2 units
End of month 6 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about 300 units plus 40 you win(BUT NOW £2 UNITS INSTEAD OF THE £1 unit) = 300 units BR plus (40 units won x £2) = 380
End of month 7 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about 380 units plus 40 you win(BUT NOW £2 UNITS INSTEAD OF THE £1 unit) = 380 units BR plus (40 units won x £2) = 460units
At this stage you can move up to £3 unit values form the £2 as you've passed the threshold for moving up a unit value while still having 20 times a total loss as your BR
End of month 8 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about 460 units plus 40 you win(BUT NOW £3 UNITS INSTEAD OF THE £2 unit) = 460 units BR plus (40 units won x £3 = 120) = 580units <- new threshold
At this stage you can move up to £4 unit values from the £3 as you've passed the threshold for moving up a unit value while still having 20 times a total loss as your BR
End of month 9 -
Bankroll is, on average with Pattern Breaker, going to be about 580 units plus 40 you win(BUT NOW £4 UNITS INSTEAD OF THE £3 unit) = 580 units BR plus (40 units won x £4 = 160) = 740units
...and so on
You can see not a lot of movement in the unit value for the first 6 months but then it starts to rocket when you have a BR big enough to let you bet higher unit values. It's this 9 month plan that we should all be sticking too which will let us fleece the casinos for all we can get :thumbsup:
2 great post above from subby. The problem many gamblers have is no real plan of action when it comes down to it. Follow the subby guidelines and you can not really lose your shirt. Learn to accept losses and remember it is ok to lose the odd battle in war.
bob.
Just a quick word on the tracker by Ophis (great work by him and has been very useful) I am not too sure it works quite as it should, zero seems to make it throw a wobbly, just test it first.
Arthur.
snubby
I did sign up for the MST website and downloaded the tracker. That thing is a piece of work. Anyone who can do that sure has my respect. Anyway, I'll send Ophis some coin.
Could you tell me if you can import spins from Spielbank and input them? And how? One could test "Pattern Breaker 4" 10,000 spins in no time.
Thank you for posting that link and thank you for your input to this thread. You certainly are sold on this idea. It is people like you who make me constantly stop and re-think my position on H&R.
If I became sold enough on it, I would withdraw some $$$ from my 401K before the coming depression destroys it anyway and plow headlong into this. What does it take: 50 50, 150 150, 450 450? By my math, that's only 1,300.
Sam
I also think PB is a great system and started to test it.
At first it was pretty good strikerate around 13:1 but then it dropped pretty fast to 1:9,5.
Maybe it is because i played all 3 EC but i also recorded which EC lost.
i have played 298 games
won: 270
lost: 28
E/O: 8
H/L: 10
R/B:10
also in the 28 times i lost the where 4 zeros involved.
I know i haven't played as much games as JL has but i think to be on a SR of 1:11 / 1:10 i have to get a good winning streak to pull my srikerate up.
So a have mixed feelings about the system. I think it's not bad but you could easily can get terrible SR and maybe it will change when you play more games (in total not per day)
For the ones that are interested i have attached my excel tracker
peauke
Quote from: peauke on Nov 05, 11:11 AM 2012
I also think PB is a great system and started to test it.
At first it was pretty good strikerate around 13:1 but then it dropped pretty fast to 1:9,5.
Maybe it is because i played all 3 EC but i also recorded which EC lost.
i have played 298 games
won: 270
lost: 28
E/O: 8
H/L: 10
R/B:10
also in the 28 times i lost the where 4 zeros involved.
I know i haven't played as much games as JL has but i think to be on a SR of 1:11 / 1:10 i have to get a good winning streak to pull my srikerate up.
So a have mixed feelings about the system. I think it's not bad but you could easily can get terrible SR and maybe it will change when you play more games (in total not per day)
For the ones that are interested i have attached my excel tracker
peauke
Hi thanx for sharin ure experience !
Durin ure 298 games how many times did you experience two or all three EC's losin at the same Session ? Also how many back to back (double loss games) did you experience ?
Also have you considered just playing a 2 step progression (1,2) on the second and third outcome only ? That way on a loss its only 3 Units
Thanx
Hi Sam.
The tracker.
If the spins from Spielbank are in a text file you import them into the tracker via button that sits in between the speech bubble and what looks like a target.
It opens up a graph.
Now click the speech bubble on that new window and select import.
To get the spins to run just click the red play arrow or to get it to do a step at a time press the yellow button.
As I said earlier, not sure it works correctly for Pattern Breaker just test it first.
Arthur.
there is a new subject opis tracker for pattern breacker code 4 filter etc
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 05, 07:21 AM 2012
@subby
all you say on money management is good
i also use ophis tracker witch is the best tracker for pattern breaker
you must register to his forum to have acces to the tracker
about the strike rate you say 11/1
on the long run with some variation during the game of course
does this : hit rate of 10/11wins of 1 unit to 1 total loss(7 units) = +4 units on average.have been tested and confirmed deeply by you
and your experimentation??
i also think is better to take the loss than recover
the pilot tell me he play 1,2,4
and don't recover the losses
i made 22 play this morning at smarlive casino live roulette
this morning 1euro unit
19 win
3 lost
strike rate 6,3
it s a very bad strike rate bankroll any way -2 !!!
Subby sounds like JL who guarantees that playing his methods you will have a strike rate long term constantly over average rate strike rate playing of course HAR. He has 10/1 but you have 6/1. Just use common sense here :D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 05, 11:34 AM 2012
Hi thanks for sharing your experience !
During your 298 games how many times did you experience two or all three ECs losing at the same Session ? Also how many back to back (double loss games) did you experience ?
Also have you considered just playing a 2 step progression (1,2) on the second and third outcome only ? That way on a loss its only 3 Units
thanks
I didn't record how many losses i had in a session with 3 ec's. I think about 2 a 3 times i had 2 out of 3 losses in a session and only 1 double loss (back to back).
If i play only the last two outcomes i could also have missed a lot of wins at the first bet so i don't think it would matter, but maybe worth testing thnx.
Hello everybody!! :)
First of all, sorry for my English :P
I like this system PATTERN BREAKER very much :)
I would very appreciate if you could answer me. I have few questions.
I would like to know how do you play after you loose (1,2,4).
Do you rise your progression? for example to 2,4,8?
And then ?
I played about 200 games and I had two double losses and one tripple loss.(3 in a ROW)
So it means that I am still an my BR as on the beginning +/- few pennies.
And than, I think it would be better to bet on Zero also. Like this:
H/L ZERO WIN H/L WIN ZERO
1,1 0,1 1 2,3
2,4 0,2 1 3,2
5,1 0,3 1 1,3
What do you think about this?
Question for JohnLegend:
Which progression do you use? For example here:
Johnlegend on September 29, 2012, 04:10:35 AM
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 5,500
TOTAL GAMES WON 5,013
TOTAL GAMES LOST 487
STRIKERATE APPROX 10/1
BALANCE 5,237 POINTS PLUS
DOUBLE LOSSES 5
It means that when you loose (1,2,4) you have to bet more chips.
thanks ang good luck :)
Still havin great results with this. Have increased my Bank so my Unit size has gone up
I now play to win 1 Unit per session and do this around 3-4 times a day
I Track all 3 EC's and bet the first one to Trigger
On a Loss I bet the next EC to Trigger
So far all wins have come on the first or second EC
I only bet a 2 Step on the 2nd and 3rd outcome of each EC
Twister
Are you using the MST tracker?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 09, 02:26 PM 2012
Twister
Are you using the MST tracker?
Sam
No. Im not a Tracker person Sam. Pen and Paper for me, and oddly I enjoy my scribblings lol :thumbsup:
For those who dont like to wait for 40-50 spins to wait for a trigger can tweak PB as follows....
first of all i dont know how many are graduates here but in my university i have studied this pattern (shown below) which is used in digital system design subject here it is as follows
there are only 2 binary values used in digital systems and they are 0's and 1's, the 8 possible combination were to be strictly as follows in same order as shown.....
000
001
010
011
100
101
110
111
now we assign 0's as low and 1's as high
now we record 3 spins and see which pattern matches above lets say the 3 spins which came are 010
now we see the next combination after 010 in the above sequence it is 011 now we bet next 3 spins exactly 011.....use a 3 step marty 1-2-4.
what about the dreaded zero :question:
if zero comes while recording the 3 spins dont play next 3 spins
if zero comes while betting take a loss and proceed with comfortable progression i would suggest 3 step marty and next 3 recovery bets only.
Just had my First Double Loss on PB
Won on the Third EC :wink:
Ophis' Multi-System Tracker here (Includes Pattern Breaker)
For those who don't like to wait for 40-50 spins to wait for a trigger can tweak PB as follows....
first of all i don't know how many are graduates here but in my university i have studied this pattern (shown below) which is used in digital system design subject here it is as follows
there are only 2 binary values used in digital systems and they are 0's and 1's, the 8 possible combination were to be strictly as follows in same order as shown.....
000
001
010
011
100
101
110
111
now we assign 0's as low and 1's as high
now we record 3 spins and see which pattern matches above lets say the 3 spins which came are 010
now we see the next combination after 010 in the above sequence it is 011 now we bet next 3 spins exactly 011 Not exactly my mistake.... bet opposit i.e. in this case 100 to prove that the next spin will not be 011.....use a 3 step marty 1-2-4.
what about the dreaded zero :question:
if zero comes while recording the 3 spins don't play next 3 spins
if zero comes while betting take a loss and proceed with comfortable progression i would suggest 3 step marty and next 3 recovery bets only.
@JohnLegend
I play your PB as follows
1. When I have my bet signal in ONE EC ( OR B/R or E/O or H/L) I never played 2 together.
2. MY bet 1/2/4
3. If I lost my 3 bets, I played 1/2/4 on second EC, If I lost 2EC's I bet on the 3th EC 1/2/4 like the pilot did
4. When I was winning after the 1 EC to BEt, I barred the first numbers from the game until I have on the 3 EC the message 'NO BET' and start a new game by following the last results of the game before.
So that's how I playe PB from JL.
:) Yes not to be greedy, I played 4 euro for 1 unit . a loss in ONE EC is a loss from 28 EURO's.
I made 25 games in a row winning today. ( Pilot stopped after 6 winning games)
:thumbsup:
ludo8400
Quote from: JohnLegend on Nov 12, 11:14 AM 2012
Ignore the zero but keep the numbers either side of it. So keep all numbers reject zero.
I have updated MST (PB,PF,PB4) to behave the way JohnLegend have stated in his latest post.
If MST will not update by itself here you can find manually dowloadable version
MST 1.6.5 (link:://rmst.forumer.com/mst-1-6-t2195514.html#p20335521)
Download MST_v165.zip (link:://rmst.forumer.com/mst-1-6-t2195514.html#p20335521)
Hi Ophis.
I start MST 1.6.5
I get message: "1.2.4." is not a valid integer value
What should I do?
can someone please explain to me why you cant be greedy and need to stop after a few wins?
why cant you just go to a different table and start again? or tag-team another player who will come and start fresh?
please someone explain it to me.
@Face
change the . by ,
1,2,4
instead of writting
1.2.4
@Ophis
thank for your great tracker
your tracker are the best i have seen
you are a genious
i have test intensivly
pattern breaker with Ophis software
its dont work on the long run
i even try to implement 50 spin by 50 spin from different days
with wiesbaden permanece
as if i was playing hit and run
it dont work
i think its doesn t work because i dont play "real hit and run" like JL!!!!
Real test pattern breaker with Ophis Software
wiesbaden Spins
Spin 3363
Bet 408
Win193
loss215
bet 1,2,4
recovery1,2,4
minimum balance -28
max balance +22
Final result -24
Zscore -0,65
it dont work
it would have work if i have playin Hit and run of course !!!
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 12, 04:47 PM 2012
@Face
change the . by ,
1,2,4
instead of writting
1.2.4
Thank you :)
Quote from: ludo8400 on Nov 12, 01:26 PM 2012
@JohnLegend
I play your PB as follows
1. When I have my bet signal in ONE EC ( OR B/R or E/O or H/L) I never played 2 together.
2. MY bet 1/2/4
3. If I lost my 3 bets, I played 1/2/4 on second EC, If I lost 2EC's I bet on the 3th EC 1/2/4 like the pilot did
4. When I was winning after the 1 EC to BEt, I barred the first numbers from the game until I have on the 3 EC the message 'NO BET' and start a new game by following the last results of the game before.
So that's how I playe PB from JL.
:) Yes not to be greedy, I played 4 euro for 1 unit . a loss in ONE EC is a loss from 28 EURO's.
I made 25 games in a row winning today. ( Pilot stopped after 6 winning games)
:thumbsup:
ludo8400
Well done, stay focused stay positive and longterm success is yours.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 12, 04:28 PM 2012
can someone please explain to me why you can't be greedy and need to stop after a few wins?
why can't you just go to a different table and start again? or tag-team another player who will come and start fresh?
please someone explain it to me.
Do you really want to know Steve? I thought you already had all the anwsers. The way you dismissed my post last night really suggested that to me.
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 12, 05:00 PM 2012
Real test pattern breaker with Ophis Software
wiesbaden Spins
Spin 3363
Bet 408
Win193
loss215
bet 1,2,4
recovery1,2,4
minimum balance -28
max balance +22
Final result -24
Zscore -0,65
it don't work
it would have work if i have playing Hit and run of course !!!
Exactly!!!! H.A.R and theyll still be telling you theres no difference 20 years from now.
@JL
HIT AND RUN
THE ONLY WAY TO WIN
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 12, 06:03 PM 2012
@JL
HIT AND RUN
THE ONLY WAY TO WIN
The only way I know Roulette fan. I have a strikerate of 36/1 playing PB with H.A..R whats the best you got playing straight into MR RANDOMS JAWS???
John, you said:
Quotestay focused stay positive and longterm success is yours.
You say you must "hit and run", AND you say long term success is yours. You don't understand why your statements are contradictory.
QuoteDo you really want to know Steve? I thought you already had all the anwsers. The way you dismissed my post last night really suggested that to me.
I want to know. that's why I asked the questions.
And I did not dismiss your post. I responded to it. But it still didn't help you understand why your approach doesn't work.
Again people can find out for themselves, it is just rather frustrating to see people go about it all wrong and not understand why it is wrong, despite me explaining it many times.
Please, answer these questions for me:
can someone please explain to me why you can't be greedy and need to stop after a few wins?
why can't you just go to a different table and start again? or tag-team another player who will come and start fresh?
please someone explain it to me.ps - again john it is nothing personal. you are just very wrong and are misleading people. fact is not mere opinion, and you interpret my expression of fact as arrogance. I'm just confident that 1 + 1 = 2.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 12, 06:51 PM 2012
why can't you just go to a different table and start again? or tag-team another player who will come and start fresh?
This is the kicker for me.
Just say JL has finished a session of Pattern Breaker and reached his target and gets up and walks away.
Now somebody else who also plays Pattern Breaker just sits down and starts his session for the day. You can not then say that person has less chance of winning.
There is also the possibility that someone was just leaving after playing his session just before JL sat down and started playing. So does that mean JL has less chance of winning.
If you say it would make no difference for all three different players, you then have to ask what difference it would have made if the same player sat there and played all the way through those three HAR sessions.
bob.
only those who have consistent advantage over casinos can play long sessions without fear.
You can't have consistent advantage without having it. It must be physical advantage. Either bias or
VB skills. Steve is asking his questions as a player who has consistent physical advantage over casino.
No simple mechanical method can give such a consistent physical advantage. That's why even the best mechanical methods are doomed if u keep using them non-stop.
on the other hand famous personalities which i mentioned already (John Patric, Brett Morton, Lee Tutor) have been able to show possibilities to win even though their methods are losers on a long run. That's the fact.
So it is possible after all. If u use smart gamble tactics. And HAR is just a part of them. Sure if u just come along, bet red or black and run away after a few spins it will not make u a winner. There is more to it. But if u stay and keep betting there are many more chances to lose, each time u keep betting You have more chances to lose and less to win. That's the fact. About those things are written many books. Roulette is a game with negative expectancy. Another fact is that 70% of the players in casino at some moment are winning but then most of them lose all their winnings and more than that.
And casinos are eager to keep players betting over and over again, to keep them as long as possible in casinos. They are well aware that time is working for them while a player is staying longer.
i am wondering why some people don't get it. It is so simple, still some people make it complicated.
in my opinion if u wanna win without advantage play first thing u gotta do is recognize that roulette is unbeatable game...
Quote from: Steve on Nov 12, 04:28 PM 2012
can someone please explain to me why you can't be greedy and need to stop after a few wins?
why can't you just go to a different table and start again? or tag-team another player who will come and start fresh?
please someone explain it to me.
It might have something to do with parallel universes. Leaving the table may be what it takes to get into the next universe over...kind of like walking up to a new table. But why the next universe would treat a player better i'm not sure. Might have something to do with tricking the punishment mechanism in the universes. Like leaving hell before the devil knows you're there.
ugly bob, well I'm glad you "get it".. however ugly you may be. It is plain logic.
.. or maybe let's be a little less than realistic and assume the method works. Ok so let's do somethihg crazy and test it enough times for it to clearly not be "chance"...
or maybe we can't do that because it only works if you play a few spins then don't come back for a while, then do another few spins.... and in 10 years, you played 500 spins and profited a little. So it must be a winning system?
I mean JL, forgive me for asking these elemental questions, but they must be asked. Put the pride aside and look at it scientifically.
Sure there are things about this universe we don't know, but lets be realistic.
QuoteIt might have something to do with parallel universes. Leaving the table may be what it takes to get into the next universe over...kind of like walking up to a new table. But why the next universe would treat a player better i'm not sure. Might have something to do with tricking the punishment mechanism in the universes. Like leaving hell before the devil knows you're there.
I'm not sure if this was serious or not. Sounds like...
(link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4655.0;attach=12043;image)
What is more likely:... 1. the system needs to win only in the short term because the universe is built that way. The universe just acts in mysterious ways.
OR
2. any system can win in the short term from random fluctuations in short term results - even just betting red for 100 spins or so. And just like the casino can have a losing day, but in the long term they will slowly drain player bankrolls. But just because a casino may have a losing day doesn't mean their "system" (house edge) doesn't work. With the JL system, there is nothing but short term wins and the gambler's false believe (fallacy) that they are winning for years... by only playing a few spins each day.
Quote from: ugly bob on Nov 12, 07:19 PM 2012
This is the kicker for me.
Just say JL has finished a session of Pattern Breaker and reached his target and gets up and walks away.
Now somebody else who also plays Pattern Breaker just sits down and starts his session for the day. You can not then say that person has less chance of winning.
There is also the possibility that someone was just leaving after playing his session just before JL sat down and started playing. So does that mean JL has less chance of winning.
If you say it would make no difference for all three different players, you then have to ask what difference it would have made if the same player sat there and played all the way through those three HAR sessions.
bob.
bob
I've made that same argument many times. Once wrote a piece called "New Eyes on the Marquee" about it.
Sam
I don't think I'm qualified to comment on parallel universes but if I could just get a little wormhole going to take me back about 10 minutes in time with a super high limit table I know I'm making inside bets and not worrying about a 3 step EC progression.
But since the laws of physics are unlikely to shatter at the right time and place for me to own the Bellagio..............
The whole HAR theory makes sense to me in that it really doesn't matter much if you have great progressions and methods coming out your ears...if your bet selection sucks you are going to lose miserably. Part of bet selection is timing so let's just assume that for this argument that a key factor is absolute perfect timing. You must attack at the precise golden moment that the trigger presents itself. Based on some very rudimentary tracking against actual spins on real wheels I got good results 12:1 strike rate just playing it out to a loss and 6-0 with HAR on about 300 spins. Obviously a statistically insignificant number of spins, especially figuring that my personal example is spread over 3 sessions on even/odd and hi/lo only.
So based on the methods rules...it's a once and done play. The bet presents itself, you play it and win or lose you move on.
However, there are alot of other things to consider.
First... if this method is so very specific that you could potentially hang around for 40-50 spins before making a play...what happens if you pull the first 15-20 numbers off the marquee and they are wrong...it would only take one wrong number to screw the whole deal if it's that fine tuned....but of course you would never know if one number on the marquee was wrong and it caused you to lose or allowed you to win...so invariably there is a small (very small but existent) question as to the validity of the results you get in a b&m if you use the marquee for a one play session. Good or bad result...you don't know whether to validate or invalidate that play if you didn't personally watch the ball drop...just sayin'
Second ...treatment of zeroes in tracking and play are always an issue and here in the USA we have 2 of those friggin green spots to deal with. If I am playing say a $100/200/400 progression and I have 2 green spots on the wheel I may have to consider their affect...again...just sayin'
Third and likely the most important ...in this type of tracking and play so far as it applies to what seems to be the current argument. If there is no specific rule as to how and when to start tracking there can be no difference between me starting on one spin, then someone else starting on the following spin, and yet another person starting on the next or three spins later and then someone else starting on a whole different table. Our tracking is based on a unique set of results based solely and entirely on the first spin of our entire session. You change that one originating spin...you have changed the entire tracking and play of the system. This is magnified by the 2 outcome and 3 spin format. HLL or RRB Every method has some form of tracking but if you are tracking inside numbers it may make a difference if I start two spins after someone else playing the same system...but the long progression and high variation of results (37 or 38 numbers instead of hi/lo and green) minimize the inherent problems in outcomes that could be encountered by starting literally 1 or 2 spins earlier or later than another player using the same system. Don't misconstrue this I'm not talking about competing with another player I am simply noting that you will inevitably and by the rules you will by mandate get completely different results and triggers for the entire duration of the single bet tracking and subsequent play
Now on my small tracking example of actual spins I would have gone 6 wins against 0 losses playing hit and run. While playing to a loss I would have gone 36-3. Just using the standard progression that's being kicked around anything better than a 7:1 strike rate has me making money. Isn't that the goal? If the method stands up it just comes down to how much you want to risk and how much you want to make. Playing stand-alone you have to play pretty big units in order to justify the time involved. But tracked and thrown in on top of a few methods being actively played you could just use $25 or $50 units or whatever fits your style and bankroll and try to amp up each session with 1-3 plays (depending on whether you are playing all 3 EC's or not)
To thoroughly do our due diligence on any type of bet method like this would we not have to track the system with all available spins...then go back and pull the first spin result off and see what it changes? Then continue to remove the first spin and have the tracker continually re-score the method...just thinkin as I'm typing here. If you can have 1000 spins with 900 unique starting numbers (just let the last 100 play out) and it plays out...then I think you can consider continuous play vs HAR based on those outcomes...just my opinion
Whether the 6-0 track record falls in line with a 9:1 or a 12:1 a 25:1 or a 6:1 strikerate is still the big question. Depending on your progression will dictate what strikerate you need. Testing and playing are the only things that will eventually prove it out one way or the other. Alot of people are having success and I am not an even chance player but if there's profit in it...I'm good to go...as Gordon Gekko said "Greed is Good" right?
Of course I think someone also once said pigs get fat but hawgs get slaughtered. I try to keep that one in mind.
There are good arguments on both sides of this and I think sometimes we just have to agree to disagree. For me...I'm not an even chances guy but I will track it and play it till it really bites me in the ass. If I can make an additional $50 or $100 a session (assuming the testing shows that the strikerate is really that high) I'll take the money because well...I'm just not one to turn down cash...it's sort of a person policy of mine...accept all cash...it works for me
KEY
That was a fine bit of writing. Gives me more to think about.
Sam
I'm the type of person where if I don't see the logic (cause and effect), then I don't believe it.... UNLESS there is statistical data to back it up in which case there is indication my ignorance needs to be cured.
In this case, there is neither logic OR supporting statistical data.
I don't see it getting any simpler. Others see it differently, it happens.
thanks Two Cat, I was compelled...how's the wife's shoulder?
KEY
Well, she's still grouchy as an old bear but she's on the mend. The worse part of the ordeal for her is she can't put on her make-up and fix her hair! And eating left-handed is no fun. Finger food is the order of the day!
Thanks for asking.
Since you seem to have thought out this PB thing, let me ask you something that bothers me. What does waiting for all these past patterns have to do with the one at hand? Would it not be just the same to select a time of day to log in and play against HLL with LHH? You would have to hit on top of LHH to lose. What if I waited for zero as my trigger and then bet LHH?
Or five reds in a row? Or any other pattern? What if I varied the pattern from trot to trot? I cannot see where what happened twenty or thirty spins ago has any bearing on the present.
Still---I am intrigued by the idea!
Sam
TwoCat
Yeah like I said I'm not an EC kinda guy but I've thought about this one some because it kinda uses some of the same basics I use in other methods.
Mr J had a method up that kinda uses the same basis if you can extrapolate it across. If I understood Ken's method it worked kinda like this...if this isn't the way he plays it / this is the way I play it...have the 12 streets marked out (kinda like the different combinations of EC's for PB) then once you get a certain number of spins (I think Ken uses 27 I use 30 because I track in series of 6...I'm tired / just watching football...so I'm not gonna look up Ken's right now) and you get to one remaining street you wait for it to hit...that's the trigger. Then he plays the 2 numbers that weren't hit in the street. I play one unit on the number that hit and two units each on the other 2 inside numbers. So you have a cold set of numbers that are now hopefully waking up. The main and obvious difference is those dudes are paying me 35:1 instead of 1:1 so I can carry that out almost indefinitely to a win (it usually hits first within about 4-8 spins and the second will hit right away...or go back to sleep in my experience anyways. So if I hit early I give it another 6 plays or so and if my original hit strung me out a bit I take whatever I can for profit and call it good.
That was a lengthy explanation but it had to be to explain how I see the correlation. So you have in PB a series of patterns (equated to streets in this example) and then I am looking at it like this. It's stayed cold for this long...what are the odds that it wakes up while I make 1-3 bets on it? So that's where all the previous spins become relevant.
Well if it wakes then I guess the odds were pretty good for the casino and I think that's where the bet selection and hit and run comes in. I don't believe that if a system can't be played continuous that you will be profitable.
However. I also believe this is a game of catching waves and avoiding troughs and this is a timing method where you seize the moment or you don't. I like the idea of having systems that you can make arguments for making money on a flat basis and then playing them with a slight progression. After all it is gambling. If the numbers make sense I never risk more than a twelfth of my total bank in a session so if I go down in flames I go down in flames. If you have faith in your systems and the numbers play out...in the end you'll be fine. If you're too timid to put up some cash when it makes sense to then you're just playing for fun...here's another WallStreet quote..."Anything worth doing is worth doing for money" right
I think this is best played to track and potentially supplement whatever else you are playing...if people are making great money on it that's awesome. I just can't take that much time to track to make a couple EC bets...doesn't fit my style of play, but that doesn't mean it's not a great fit for someone else.
So I will test this some more and depending how those go will adjust bank accordingly. But if it doesn't lose 2 in a row like everyone says that it doesn't I would be inclined to use it as a supplemental bet maybe $20/40/80 so that if I did lose I could cover the loss next bet by maybe going more aggressive and tripling up instead of doubling the bet 50/150/450 maybe? Don't know till I run more numbers but if you have faith in a stable system that very seldom ever loses twice in a row why wouldn't you put up some more cash. If I lose I lose. If the decision was sound I lick my wounds and go on.
This of course is why I prefer to play a few inside numbers at best though...even money chances are tough to recover from once you get behind and rushing it only hurts worse...but if the system is that stable and the 2nd loss back to back happens some ridiculously small percentage of the time...what the heck its only money.
This is obviously totally a psychological thing but on this type of system I would be nervous if I were playing only this system and I was banking on this to make some cash so I was playing bigger units and my bet was RRR or BBB. I know in this context, or any other for that fact, that it's really no different than RBR or BBR...just my aversion to EC's make me cautious about it to begin with but those triples are just seen too much and being an inside player psychologically the chops just "look" better. I know they are all technically the same 47% shot each spin...just the way I look at it.
In the end the wheel doesn't have the memory that we do with the paper in front of us so in the end we are simply gambling while telling ourselves that we have an edge. As long as we keep winning all is well and our little science and math project keeps humming right along.
Because we select when to bet, where to bet and how much to bet I do believe that with proper bet selection and money management we can stay ahead of the curve. I have...but at any moment that can all change (that's where splitting the bank into 12 sessions comes into play...it's gonna have to hit me in 12 sequential moments...I like my odds there and that's really what this is all about)
Cr*p...did somebody say you were in Oklahoma TwoCat? I shoulda just picked up a phone. Worked out...the football game went to overtime and just finished up anyways
..do not need to worry, everything will prove us JL until 2020. :D
Steve, good posts and useful for everyone except for CP.
Speed, it mostly falls on deaf ears. I honestly thought I'd have learned by now not to waste my time.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 12, 06:51 PM 2012
John, you said:
You say you must "hit and run", AND you say long term success is yours. You don't understand why your statements are contradictory.
I want to know. that's why I asked the questions.
And I did not dismiss your post. I responded to it. But it still didn't help you understand why your approach doesn't work.
Again people can find out for themselves, it is just rather frustrating to see people go about it all wrong and not understand why it is wrong, despite me explaining it many times.
Please, answer these questions for me:
can someone please explain to me why you can't be greedy and need to stop after a few wins?
why can't you just go to a different table and start again? or tag-team another player who will come and start fresh?
please someone explain it to me.
ps - again john it is nothing personal. you are just very wrong and are misleading people. fact is not mere opinion, and you interpret my expression of fact as arrogance. I'm just confident that 1 + 1 = 2.
Steve you have your ideology of play, I have mine. You skirted around my explanation of why your 10,000 player explanation is flawed. And twisted my explanation of why H.A.R works to suit what you asume is fact. that's why I am doing the challenge Steve. Can I fake my way to 50,000 plus euros from a few hundred? Of course not.
All people not just you Steve who think math explains EVERYTHING, can't and neverwill understand that math doesn't hold all the anwsers when it comes to beating this game. I played for years as most do AND LOST. that's a fact. When I adopted the H.A.R approach. I started to make overall profit and have never looked back. When I spoke of MENTALY able to beat this game. Your response was you asume everyone already has the capacity to play the system to the rules.
Thats not what I'm talking about. The biggest weak point when it comes to beating this game is a persons MINDSET. Their lack of STAYING POWER, IRON DISCIPLINE, and above all PATIENCE. If I tell 10 people to play PATTERN BREAKER a certain way. You can bet your life, some of them won't. Theyll fold when they don't get the results they expect.
The people who have what it takes mentaly to beat this game are going to succeed. You and many others basically called PILOT a liar when he made his claim for PATTERN BREAKER. You had to do this, because you personaly believe only your approach can be successful.
And that's why I am going to prove over the next 1,2,3 however many years it takes to sink in. This game is ABSOLUTELY beatable LONGTERM. When you apply the right method/s strategy of play, and mental approach to it. Players of my ilk will only ever be a tiny minority. I know this already. But just watch what the next 3 years brings. And try and tell me or yourself its all LUCK.
You have 100 boxes each containing 100 balls. There are mostly white but we also have some red balls. You dont know exact number of red balls - the most probable scenario is 100 but we can also have 50 or 200. You pick 100 balls and try to avoid red ones. What would you do?
Pick just one ball from each box or pick 10 balls from 10 boxes or just pick one box at random? ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 13, 01:13 AM 2012
You have 100 boxes each containing 100 balls. There are mostly white but we also have some red balls. You don't know exact number of red balls - the most probable scenario is 100 but we can also have 50 or 200. You pick 100 balls and try to avoid red ones. What would you do?
Pick just one ball from each box or pick 10 balls from 10 boxes or just pick one box at random? ;D
You have 200 euro 18 months later you have 50,000 euro. What do you tell yourself. It grew to that amount all by itself.?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 13, 12:58 AM 2012
Steve you have your ideology of play, I have mine. You skirted around my explanation of why your 10,000 player explanation is flawed. And twisted my explanation of why H.A.R works to suit what you asume is fact. that's why I am doing the challenge Steve. Can I fake my way to 50,000 plus euros from a few hundred? Of course not.
All people not just you Steve who think math explains EVERYTHING, can't and neverwill understand that math doesn't hold all the anwsers when it comes to beating this game. I played for years as most do AND LOST. that's a fact. When I adopted the H.A.R approach. I started to make overall profit and have never looked back. When I spoke of MENTALY able to beat this game. Your response was you asume everyone already has the capacity to play the system to the rules.
that's not what I'm talking about. The biggest weak point when it comes to beating this game is a persons MINDSET. Their lack of STAYING POWER, IRON DISCIPLINE, and above all PATIENCE. If I tell 10 people to play PATTERN BREAKER a certain way. You can bet your life, some of them won't. Theyll fold when they don't get the results they expect.
The people who have what it takes mentaly to beat this game are going to succeed. You and many others basically called PILOT a liar when he made his claim for PATTERN BREAKER. You had to do this, because you personaly believe only your approach can be successful.
And that's why I am going to prove over the next 1,2,3 however many years it takes to sink in. This game is ABSOLUTELY beatable LONGTERM. When you apply the right method/s strategy of play, and mental approach to it. Players of my ilk will only ever be a tiny minority. I know this already. But just watch what the next 3 years brings. And try and tell me or yourself its all LUCK.
I was the main culprit that questioned Mr Pilot stats. But he did not play the way you suggested John. You dont play R/B with PB. At least it was what you suggested recently when i think Paul reported having had more than average loses playing R/B. You just change your approach very often. If Pilot loses only ONCE in 180 games betting against RBR then let him play R/B as well. If somebody posts a loss with 8 on 1 on BVNZ then you come up with a theory why regular BV is better to play than BVNZ. ;D Your challenge with bold predictions for next 3 years? So far in 2 months on BV in quite large number of games when we factor in one mistakenly placed 5 euro bet you stand at around 18 euro after starting at 20. Yeah you lost twice in a day with 8 on 1 but on columns so it does not count. You complain that you need to place other bets to generate spins on BV but you have so many other winning methods. So the bottom line is that you managed so far to lose 10% from your starting BR in my math. Bayes RNG part we have to disregard. You almost busted out but then suddenly produced this miracle run with FIVE. There was a possibility that it was flawed and until i saw your other stats i was ready to give you benefit of the doubt.
I wont debate you more on math,statistics or HAR. There is no point. Anyway I guess that now you will be busy enough to go from 20 to 50k. Hope that BV wont cheat if you continuously take money from them.
Good LUCK
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 13, 02:36 AM 2012
I was the main culprit that questioned Mr Pilot stats. But he did not play the way you suggested John. You don't play R/B with PB. At least it was what you suggested recently when i think Paul reported having had more than average loses playing R/B. You just change your approach very often. If Pilot loses only ONCE in 180 games betting against RBR then let him play R/B as well. If somebody posts a loss with 8 on 1 on BVNZ then you come up with a theory why regular BV is better to play than BVNZ. ;D Your challenge with bold predictions for next 3 years? So far in 2 months on BV in quite large number of games when we factor in one mistakenly placed 5 euro bet you stand at around 18 euro after starting at 20. Yeah you lost twice in a day with 8 on 1 but on columns so it does not count. You complain that you need to place other bets to generate spins on BV but you have so many other winning methods. So the bottom line is that you managed so far to lose 10% from your starting BR in my math. Bayes RNG part we have to disregard. You almost busted out but then suddenly produced this miracle run with FIVE. There was a possibility that it was flawed and until i saw your other stats i was ready to give you benefit of the doubt.
I won't debate you more on math,statistics or HAR. There is no point. Anyway I guess that now you will be busy enough to go from 20 to 50k. Hope that BV won't cheat if you continuously take money from them.
Good LUCK
Regards
Made my mistakes on the format coming to terms with moving the wheel. I went from 20 euro to 31.73 and all the way back down to 20.86 at one point Matt. But now Im only playing ONE METHOD can you guess which one? And yes im playing like PILOT. The only date you need be concerned about is 31/12/2012. The first milestone will be reached by then.
Then the blockbuster era begins when I top it up to 200 euro and play without the 1 euro limit constraint. Then you will see how I really win. How I fluctuate in between will make no difference in the end my objectives will be achieved.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 13, 02:59 AM 2012
Made my mistakes on the format coming to terms with moving the wheel. I went from 20 euro to 31.73 and all the way back down to 20.86 at one point Matt. But now I'm only playing ONE METHOD can you guess which one? And yes I'm playing like PILOT. The only date you need be concerned about is 31/12/2012. The first milestone will be reached by then.
Then the blockbuster era begins when I top it up to 200 euro and play without the 1 euro limit constraint. Then you will see how I really win. How I fluctuate in between will make no difference in the end my objectives will be achieved.
John
Really i dont have a clue. I thought that 8 on 1 was the one. Mentioning Mr Pilot suggest a shift to PB. If so why you abandoned FIVE or 8 on 1? ;D
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 13, 03:18 AM 2012
John
Really i don't have a clue. I thought that 8 on 1 was the one. Mentioning Mr Pilot suggest a shift to PB. If so why you abandoned FIVE or 8 on 1? ;D
Regards
For the same reason you and Steve are basically saying he is a liar. I too am amazed by his stats. BUT, I also know what's achieveable with PATTERN BREAKER. Which penny for penny, pound for pound. Is one of the greatest methods of alltime. Now Pilot made the claim, endorsed the method and me.
But left without any proof, so now I'm going to see if his way with the method makes it possible to attain those kind of numbers. I've made a good start almost double his strikerate. But its early days.
Your statistics can't explain everything Matt. For example, what are the odds of a single E/C producing a winning streak over 100? I did this 3 times in one year.
What are the odds of 8 on 1 winning 65 times by the THIRD STEP? My latest run?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 13, 02:59 AM 2012
Made my mistakes on the format coming to terms with moving the wheel. I went from 20 euro to 31.73 and all the way back down to 20.86 at one point Matt. But now I'm only playing ONE METHOD can you guess which one? And yes I'm playing like PILOT. The only date you need be concerned about is 31/12/2012. The first milestone will be reached by then.
Then the blockbuster era begins when I top it up to 200 euro and play without the 1 euro limit constraint. Then you will see how I really win. How I fluctuate in between will make no difference in the end my objectives will be achieved.
John....crossing t's & dotting i's here
What is the difference between how pilot played and your first post on PB. Ta!
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Nov 13, 05:03 AM 2012
John....crossing t's & dotting i's here
What is the difference between how pilot played and your first post on PB. Ta!
Turner
He is playing all three even chances TWICE for a total of 6 a day. When I started it was just High and Low for the first 2.5 years. I was playing one game a session 5 times a day. When I was doing this. Three times I broke the 100 barrier in winning streaks. SINCE I started playing 10--15 games a day. My longest winning streak has been 34 games for HIGH LOW.
On BV single zero. I have a joint current winning streak of 29 for HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN. And an overall STRIKERATE of 42/1 since I started playing ALL THREE EVEN CHANCES.
So many including yourself doubt Pilot. But even though its early days I already have more than double the strikerate he averaged for an entire year. Instead of saying NO WAY. I am seeing for myself if its POSSIBLE...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 13, 08:23 AM 2012
He is playing all three even chances TWICE for a total of 6 a day. When I started it was just High and Low for the first 2.5 years. I was playing one game a session 5 times a day. When I was doing this. Three times I broke the 100 barrier in winning streaks. SINCE I started playing 10--15 games a day. My longest winning streak has been 34 games for HIGH LOW.
On BV single zero. I have a joint current winning streak of 29 for HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN. And an overall STRIKERATE of 42/1 since I started playing ALL THREE EVEN CHANCES.
So many including yourself doubt Pilot. But even though its early days I already have more than double the strikerate he averaged for an entire year. Instead of saying NO WAY. I am seeing for myself if its POSSIBLE...
Its just personal preference if u want to believe piolot or not. That moments gone. I just wanted to know what changes had been made. Thanks
Turner
Quote from: ugly bob on Nov 12, 07:19 PM 2012
This is the kicker for me.
Just say JL has finished a session of Pattern Breaker and reached his target and gets up and walks away.
Now somebody else who also plays Pattern Breaker just sits down and starts his session for the day. You can not then say that person has less chance of winning.
There is also the possibility that someone was just leaving after playing his session just before JL sat down and started playing. So does that mean JL has less chance of winning.
If you say it would make no difference for all three different players, you then have to ask what difference it would have made if the same player sat there and played all the way through those three HAR sessions.
bob.
Ugly Bob its time you made it handsome. I will tell you Steve and all the others enquiring WHY. Although I know its not going to make any difference. If your minds made up, your minds made up. As soon as you start playing a session OF ANYTHING. You set off on a track. As sure as night follows day. Stay on that track too long youre going to lose. The smaller the odds of the progression you are playing the sooner the loss is likely to happen.
When you get up and leave the next player sits down and starts his session. Is he on the same track as you? NO, each new player begins THEIR OWN JOURNEY. You should all know that the differnece between winning and losing with any method and any progression boils down to a single spin. And that is why each player indeed has an equal chance of winning and losing.
So I can already hear the next question. WHY doesn't THAT SAME PLAYER SIMPLY
CHANGE TABLES OR TAKE A BREAK? Well you should anyway. Ideally if you are playing 6 games a day. You should play no more than 3 at any one session. The more times you stick your hand into the pot of fortune. The greater the chance Mr random will bite it.
I didn't form this attitude out of thin air. I lost at roulette the first 10 years I played the game. I used to observe this fella. He would come into the casino and play two or three bets. nearly always cashed his chips as a winner and walk out. While the mugs (me one of them) would sit there half the night giving their money to the casino. I started to think about that seriously.
And since I adopted a similar style of play. I have been an overall winner. If I could sit there all night and win of course I would. BUT YOU CANNOT. Mr random will bite you in half if you get too greedy. Just as when I played only 5 games a day of PATTERN BREAKER. My winning streaks were longer. As soon as I opted to play more games per calendar day. My winning streaks became shorter.
How do you explain this? You can't, but you come to realize theres something to it. And its up to you how you respond to it. Now the only reason this thread is at the top of the forum again. Is Pilots amazing revelation. Isnt it funny how large sums of money stir interest. Even the forum owner who normally doesn't get involved in these threads.
Because his VB style of play is so superior to what we do, had to get on this. But the more I think of how Pilot played for an entire year. The more I realize its possible. He attained a running strikerate of 20/1 throughout the year. I have been above this many times but normally settle around 14/1. In recent times I have dropped to 10/1 again because of INCREASED DAILY FREQUENCY of play. But now I'm playing as Pilot did only on BV. My strikerate has gone through the roof again.
Currently at 42/1. So I don't dismiss people who make great claims. Especially using a method I know played H.A.R is one of the greatest. I say if he did it. I will see if I can too. That's all there is to it. ;D
Since the word "track" was used, I'll use it.
Let's imagine a train on a track. At some point down the line a large tree has fallen across the tracks. (Random) Let's further imagine that the train stops each mile and a passenger gets off and a passenger gets on. We don't know how far down the line the tree is.
Now.................
If no passengers got off but one got on each mile, all would hit the tree. If one got off and one got on, one would hit the tree. What ugly bob and I are saying is this: Each passenger who gets on is one mile closer to hitting the tree. Since there is no way to know where the tree is, passenger A cannot get off the train and say to passenger B, "Hey, Bro! You're going to hit the tree." Thus if passenger A and B both stayed on the train, both would have exactly the same chance of hitting the tree. One could not have more/less of a chance by riding one more mile than the other.
Finally, if you rode this train enough you would be the one who got on at the wrong time. You simply cannot dodge the tree any more than random dictates.
Relating to roulette......................
If it were possible to just drop in at the right time, who's to say what the right time is? I am seriously thinking of running a test where I use any number with zero in it and bet a dozen or column right after it. I'll toss a die and 1 2 3 4 5 6 will represent the dozens/columns. There you have a random selection of when to bet and a random selection of where to bet.
Over time, it will totally even out to match what the odds dictate it should. If not, I get rich!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 13, 11:10 AM 2012
Since the word "track" was used, I'll use it.
Let's imagine a train on a track. At some point down the line a large tree has fallen across the tracks. (Random) Let's further imagine that the train stops each mile and a passenger gets off and a passenger gets on. We don't know how far down the line the tree is.
Now.................
If no passengers got off but one got on each mile, all would hit the tree. If one got off and one got on, one would hit the tree. What ugly bob and I are saying is this: Each passenger who gets on is one mile closer to hitting the tree. Since there is no way to know where the tree is, passenger A cannot get off the train and say to passenger B, "Hey, Bro! You're going to hit the tree." Thus if passenger A and B both stayed on the train, both would have exactly the same chance of hitting the tree. One could not have more/less of a chance by riding one more mile than the other.
Finally, if you rode this train enough you would be the one who got on at the wrong time. You simply cannot dodge the tree any more than random dictates.
Relating to roulette......................
If it were possible to just drop in at the right time, who's to say what the right time is? I am seriously thinking of running a test where I use any number with zero in it and bet a dozen or column right after it. I'll toss a die and 1 2 3 4 5 6 will represent the dozens/columns. There you have a random selection of when to bet and a random selection of where to bet.
Over time, it will totally even out to match what the odds dictate it should. If not, I get rich!
Sam
Yes Sam but you can also get on the train AFTER the tree has FALLEN and been cleared off the track by these nice men in protective hats. Think that one over....
John
I'm allowing room for thought that you could be right. Frankly, I hope you are.
Sam
[quote ;D
I'm allowing room for thought that you could be right. Frankly, I hope you are.
Sam
Sam its never let me down longterm. I am happy you are part of you know what. I'm donating to the cause. You are in good hands Snubby has a great head for this game.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 13, 04:01 PM 2012
[quote ;D
I'm allowing room for thought that you could be right. Frankly, I hope you are.
Sam
Sam its never let me down longterm. I am happy you are part of you know what. I'm donating to the cause. You are in good hands Snubby has a great head for this game.
"Snubby" ! :)
Was that a Freudian slip?
Trebor
Quote from: trebor on Nov 13, 04:41 PM 2012
"Snubby" ! :)
Was that a Freudian slip?
Trebor
Lol not on my part.
John,
QuoteSteve you have your ideology of play, I have mine
You still dont understand. I am not talking about my opinion or ideology. I am talking about mathematical and scientific certainty.
QuoteYou skirted around my explanation of why your 10,000 player explanation is flawed
No, I explained everything in plain english, but you didnt understand.
QuoteAll people not just you Steve who think math explains EVERYTHING, can't and neverwill understand that math doesn't hold all the anwsers when it comes to beating this game
That is exactly like saying nature doesnt explain everything. Again you dont understand what you are saying.
QuoteThe biggest weak point when it comes to beating this game is a persons MINDSET
No, it is more correct the biggest weak point when applying a strategy is discipline. When it comes to beating the game, probably the biggest weak point is IGNORANCE.
QuoteThis game is ABSOLUTELY beatable LONGTERM.
it is beatable your way long term.... if your definition of long term is a few spins each year.
Honestly john, you remind me of Alabalah. You have a lot to learn and dont have a clue what you are saying. And when I try to explain it, you think it is just my mere OPINION. For example, I say everything can be explained from mathematics and nature, and you say otherwise. Around and around people go in circles. I explain things in clear english, and you say I avoid things, because you dont understand basic facts. I cant argue with your logic. Eventually anyone interested in your method will learn for themselves.
You are just misleading people and doing harm. That is my problem. And its why I asked you basic questions that lead to the simple fact that you are deluding yourself if you think your system is something someone can earn a living from. I will try not to waste further time on this. people can find out for themselves as they did with alabalah.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 13, 06:52 PM 2012
John,
You still don't understand. I am not talking about my opinion or ideology. I am talking about mathematical and scientific certainty.
No, I explained everything in plain English, but you didn't understand.
That is exactly like saying nature doesn't explain everything. Again you don't understand what you are saying.
No, it is more correct the biggest weak point when applying a strategy is discipline. When it comes to beating the game, probably the biggest weak point is IGNORANCE.
it is beatable your way long term.... if your definition of long term is a few spins each year.
Honestly john, you remind me of Alabalah. You have a lot to learn and don't have a clue what you are saying. And when I try to explain it, you think it is just my mere OPINION. For example, I say everything can be explained from mathematics and nature, and you say otherwise. Around and around people go in circles. I explain things in clear English, and you say I avoid things, because you don't understand basic facts. I can't argue with your logic. Eventually anyone interested in your method will learn for themselves.
You are just misleading people and doing harm. That is my problem. And its why I asked you basic questions that lead to the simple fact that you are deluding yourself if you think your system is something someone can earn a living from. I will try not to waste further time on this. people can find out for themselves as they did with alabalah.
Steve lets just agree to dis-agree. I was warned you would be like this. But I will leave you with one thought. When Superman verifies that I have turned 200 Euro into more than 10,000 Euro by the end of next year. How will you account for this achievement with a method and strategy of play that doesn't WORK.? That will be amusing to see. Pilot came along and made an impressive statement without proof.
I will have the proof, that's the difference. See you there. :xd:
QuoteI was warned you would be like this
By who? Alabalah??
WARNING: Steve tries to help people be deceived by people who claim to have the HG. He may explain simple facts you may not understand. You may think it is all just his opinion.
QuoteWhen Superman verifies that I have turned 200 Euro into more than 10,000 Euro by the end of next year. How will you account for this achievement with a method and strategy of play that doesn't WORK.? That will be amusing to see
Why do we have to wait a whole year? Why dont we find 100 people to play the system right after Superman finishes his daily session. Then we could have results 100 times faster... right? Or will the universe know we are trying to cheat?
John, I think you are Fender/CEH. You are from the same region and all. You have been coming back under so many fake names. But let's assume you are not.... STILL, you make ridiculous comments and claims about roulette, and you dont even understand WHY they are ridiculous.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 13, 06:52 PM 2012
John,
You still don't understand. I am not talking about my opinion or ideology. I am talking about mathematical and scientific certainty.
No, I explained everything in plain English, but you didn't understand.
That is exactly like saying nature doesn't explain everything. Again you don't understand what you are saying.
No, it is more correct the biggest weak point when applying a strategy is discipline. When it comes to beating the game, probably the biggest weak point is IGNORANCE.
it is beatable your way long term.... if your definition of long term is a few spins each year.
Honestly john, you remind me of Alabalah. You have a lot to learn and don't have a clue what you are saying. And when I try to explain it, you think it is just my mere OPINION. For example, I say everything can be explained from mathematics and nature, and you say otherwise. Around and around people go in circles. I explain things in clear English, and you say I avoid things, because you don't understand basic facts. I can't argue with your logic. Eventually anyone interested in your method will learn for themselves.
You are just misleading people and doing harm. That is my problem. And its why I asked you basic questions that lead to the simple fact that you are deluding yourself if you think your system is something someone can earn a living from. I will try not to waste further time on this. people can find out for themselves as they did with alabalah.
Pure over reaction from you Steve because I stepped on your ego. So be it. This isnt a forum when you have the owner making slanderous statements about someone they dont even know.
I was fender and now im John legend. FOR YEARS? Get your facts right Steve. I was on your other forum VLS that went to pot for a while. You banned me because you are scared of anyone challenging your flawed beliefs. No worry. A cowardly act always.
Fender my dear friend,
1. You removed my other post where I revealed the proof that you are Fender using a fake name. You could only do this because you are the thread author. But you still admit you are Fender. What choice did you have though? You were caught.
2. Making an "unintelligent" of yourself is not stepping on my ego, my deluded sociopath friend.
3. I never made 'slanderous' remarks until I knew who you were. From the onset I knew there was something "not right" about you. I mean you were speaking absolute nonsense and it was very clear you had no idea what you were talking about. Initially I merely explained WHY your approach cannot succeed and you took offence to it. You responded with utter junk and clearly had no understanding.
4. I banned you because for years you have been:
a. Lying to people claiming you have the holy grail system. You gave them bits and pieces only and asked people to pay you for the REAL secrets. And people that did end up paying you were scammed, and complained about you. You wrote pages and pages and pages of junk. Made up imaginary foundations and all. All to get people in private to scam them.
b. When you did give full systems, you merely led people on claiming it was the holy grail etc. You clearly loved having people believe and follow you. It clearly gave you some kind of sick pleasure.
Like Alabalah, and in the interests of being neutral, you were given the benefit of the doubt and had ample chance to prove your claims. But like Alabalah, you skipped around basic questions that revealed everything for what it was. They were basic facts 'charlie'. Basic facts. But you don't understand them, or how your attempts to refute them make you look like an unintelligent. So you claim it is just my ego being hurt? Wow. It has always fascinated me how delusion works. Some people really just don't get it. What amazes me too is how easily people are misled... the ignorance. If only people investigated properly and used their own heads instead of believe whatever others say.
In your previous incarnations on the forums, you claimed to beat roulette with mathematics. And now you say "gee Steve, you seem to think that everything can be expressed with maths"...What a change of heart. Well, actually, mathematics is a universal language of nature. And for you to claim you have a system that defies basic mathematics and nature itself is delusion.
Among your many idiotic claims..... You claim long term is a few spins per year..... You must hit and run to win, or you lose.... 1000 players playing 1 session each is different from 1 player playing 1000 sessions... and the list goes on.
Fender, start your own forum. Mislead all the people you want. There are much more gullible people than there are people who understand basic roulette principles, so your forum will be bigger than any of mine.
As you have shown many times, and as I have said after each time I banned you, no doubt you will be back again... posting thousands of messages, spending 24/7 on forums... misleading people because of your sick need for attention. Do you understand what you do to your own self by having so little integrity? You remind me of some people. If you're like them, you too go out and publish oodles of pages telling everyone what a scammer I am, instead of you being what you are. Oh wait, you already did. So make more then.
PS - For those that don't know, Fender/CEH is a freak of a person who for years has been claiming to have the holy grail system. His system is different every time. He is a sick person who deliberately misleads people for attention. He has been on many of the forums using many fake names. Sometimes he manages to make thousands of posts before detection. Sometimes he is detected right away.
He is banned again. If anyone is unhappy about me protecting the forum from a sick person who time and time again has proved what he is, you can contact him directly.
come on Steve humour me, why on earth do you think he is CEH ??
thxs ;)
O0
1. Fender had the same IPs etc as CEH. It is clear fact they are the same person.
2. JL's email address in his account begins with "pmfender".
3. JL had no option but to ADMIT he was also Fender. He must have been embarassed about it, so he deleted my post explaining this.
Connect the dots.
Are you humored now??..
"1. Fender had the same IPs etc as CEH. It is clear fact they are the same person."
the same Internet Provider or the same IP address ? not sure what you mean here :-[
"2. JL's email address in his account begins with "pmfender"."
That's great but has nothing to do with CEH
"3. JL had no option but to ADMIT he was also Fender. He must have been embarassed about it, so he deleted my post explaining this."
Again, that's great but has nothing to do with CEH
Are you humored now??..
nope not really, yet again on a roulette forum nobody seems to like to answer a simple question :'(
O0
but thank you for finding a moment to answer me.
It was a long time ago but I recall it was exact match IP.
And as per my prior post, I cant see how I could have answered your question any clearer. 3 simple points that lead to a fact.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 13, 11:33 PM 2012
It was a long time ago but I recall it was exact match IP.
And as per my prior post, I can't see how I could have answered your question any clearer. 3 simple points that lead to a fact.
well like I stated before points 2 & 3 have nothing at all to do with CEH. The questions beg how did you know that that old IP address was indeed CEH ?
O0
excellent job Steve, one liar and self-proclaimed winner less :thumbsup:
Sorry Steve, I have to agree with ddarko, YES he is/was Fender from the old VLS, I picked that up as soon as he landed here as JL remembering his THEZONE method, but Charles Hampshire, I have to disagree mate.
For the record, I am not playing any of his methods, I merely offered him the full use of my BetVoyager account, I gave him 20 euros to prove his methods work, so far they haven't and its all in the bv challenge thread for everyone to see. Yesterday in that thread he went on about end/middle of next year, I stated this was far too long so set down some limits for him as I too can't be @rsed waiting that long to lose 20 euros lol. He stated he will double that 20 to 40 by year end IF he does that (over the next 48 days) then he must put 100 euros into the account and double that 140 to 280 within the next 48 or so days. IF he can't do/reach either target Skakus is going to take over the account to prove he can do something with it and we will all know where we stand with JL/Fender.
So to recap, he must reach 40 euros by December 31st, if he does he deposits, via me, 100 euros making 140 euros in the account then has until late February to double it before I pull the plug on his challenge.
Please do not ban JL.
A.
I have to add my voice to the appeal not to ban JL. He can be OTT with the hype but I don't think he deserves to be banned. He is/was Fender, but CEH? I must admit I didn't take much interest in the CEH debacle but I did read his website a couple of times years ago, and JL's personality and history on this forum just doesn't match. Where is the evidence that he's a scammer? I've exchanged a few pms with him and never got the impression that he was trying to scam anyone, and if that WAS going on surely it would have come out by now.
Steve.
For whatever MY opinion is worth.....i feel i owe it to JL to speak-up on his behalf.
All i can say is that without his input along wth Scooby Doo's i would NEVER have FOUND the Matrix way of playing this great game as upto joining this forum all my play concepts were based on the Horizontal,never in a million years would i have considered playing VERTICAL.
Also it was great to have confirmation from both JL and XXVV on the strength of HIT-RUN-WIN which i was already using to great effect since i first walked into a Casino back in 1993 in Southend.
Yes ok JL has history,but then don't we all.......i know i have........it's about how you play the cards of life your dealt.
Anyway i feel alot better after this small-rant.
Best Regards.
Dno.
I have to join in.
I don't doubt , Steve , that you computers give you the sure edge you claim.
I know the rest of us are playing around with methods that don't actually add up mathematically but we're probably never going to be able to use your systems for a variety of reasons.
But it's what we do and enjoy. In many respects JL is no different he just gets on his hobby horse a bit.
Does he really encourage anyone to lose money? If he does then so do many.
I can see how much he is annoying you so just don't debate with him.
Trebor
Here the thing from my pov
1. JL was called out on being Fender over a year ago and he confirmed he was. Yes, at first he said he wasnt, but when pressed by (I think Atlantis) he confirmed he was Fender
2. JL has ALWAYS posted his Methods/Systems in FULL. No dripping Tap. ALWAYS 100% up front
3. Yes he is full of himself and may rub some ppl up the wrong way, but thats true in all walks of life.
Its an error to ban him.
I got to agree with the sentiments from the guys above.
No way do I believe he has any association with CEH whatsoever.
The guy put himself on the chopping block sharing his ideas and deserves respect for that.
bob.
In Steve's defense remember he owns this site, he can do whatever he wishes.
His objective is to sell/lease his roulette computer and create roulette partnerships. Allowing users to post systems/comments are secondary. Steve can't let someone with a questionable reputation affect his business.
Steve
Its a mistake to ban Jl
Lots of people enjoy his methods and as Jl, he never held a knife to anyones throat. They read his stuff and enjoyed it.
I don't believe the methods but i love reading them. I think he handles criticism well and don't rememer him being abusive.
At least he posts up. More than can be said for some
Turner
I play Pattern Breaker and have had really good results, but most of all... I love playing this way !
It has taught me to have more DISIPLINE and also taught me to have more PATIENCE while playing...
I also loved reading through the threads, (and for the record, i dont play or like FIVE or 8 on 1...) Roulette is all about decisions, and i can honestly say, playing this way has opened my eyes to a lot more in roulette.
I have learnt a lot from this forum, and if im honest, most of it from reading the pages upon pages on JL's threads!
Yes i am new on here with not many posts, but only 0ne person replied to my question's and that was JL... Most people on here dont reply or take serious anyone who has not got 100's of posts!
So for me, :P if anyone is interested, :P losing JL is a loss....
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 14, 06:51 AM 2012
In Steve's defense remember he owns this site, he can do whatever he wishes.
His objective is to sell/lease his roulette computer and create roulette partnerships. Allowing users to post systems/comments are secondary. Steve can't let someone with a questionable reputation affect his business.
Of course, Steve is the owner so he can ban who he likes, but that's hardly a
defense of his position. That's a bit like saying after seeing someone mugged "well, in defense of the mugger's behaviour, he is bigger than the guy he mugged". ;D
The point is, JL has done nothing to warrant a ban, apart from maybe rubbing Steve up the wrong way. Steve's objective may be to sell computers and push his wares, but in order to effectively use this forum for that purpose, it helps to have members and visitors, and arguably JL has been a significant factor in increasing the flow of traffic to this forum. And after all, as Steve notes himself, people will find out for themselves in due course what works and what doesn't.
Also, regarding your comment on "questionable reputation", I don't think the irony of that will be lost on Steve. ;)
I have read in many systems on here, that set yourself a target to win...AND STICK TO IT !!
So what is wrong with hit n run style if you are hitting your targets !
So i await to see the people who have slated JL, i will be waiting for them to post a thread and how to play roulette properly then. :wink:
Paul
Almost every seasoned player on this forum will tell you that if what you're doing works for you--stick with it. All they say is beware that you're not seeing random hand you hot dogs and beer. Random will present you a bill later on! That's all they say........
As to Jl and flukey luke.......................
Yes, Steve is "El capo de tuti capo"...boss of all bosses. He can lop of heads at will. Might someday lop off mine. But I liked the ol' Bloviator, ol' Johnny Confusey. He has given me a lot to think about.
C'mon guys! You know where to find him!
I am still not sure flukey luke was a liar---but maybe he was. I would love t have tested that bot, but I swear to you I got a virus every time I used it. Not raggin' on Ophis--I'm sure it was just a fluke! HA!! I cracked myself up!!
Johnlegend is like an out-of-work brother-in-law--you'll never get rid of him.
Sam
I do not know is Johnlegend was a CEH in the past , but i know that he is 100% liar and manipulator like CEH.
Quote from: speed on Nov 14, 11:43 AM 2012
I do not know is Johnlegend was a CEH in the past , but i know that he is 100% liar and manipulator like CEH.
Speed (?) You also wrote:
Quote
I think only valuable computers (like Steve RC) can beat roulette in long run and some VB method..
I do not believe CEH is JL. And I disagree with you - I 100% think that JL is NOT a liar... But I'm not surprised you're in quick with your comments. I know from your posts where you're coming from and which side of the fence you are on.... :)
A.
So you belive JL(only HE) with his systems in the long term can beat roulette with hit and run !?
I'm not on anybody's side, I'm just on the common sense side..
Speed,
Is that a reason for calling someone a liar and manipulator, or sociopath, and banning them?
Not as far as I'm concerned. But anyway, I don't think that's the reason why JL was banned.
Bayes, if someone claims something for years that can not proof - YES he's a liar.
if am an administrator, I would ban him long ago (after the first unproven claims) , so people would not waste time and money on his lies.
So speed let me get this straight, if you met someone that believed in God, as many in this world do, and because they have not proved his existence to your satisfaction you would call that person to his/her face that they are a liar!
Is this what you are saying?
I know we are talking about Roulette here, but because you do not hold someone's belief you have no right to call them a liar.
Throughout history by your premise there must have been many liars, those that believed the world was round, that man would be able to Fly, that man would go to the moon, that man would be able to speak to each other thousands of miles away with signals that go through the air, I don't need to go on, you should get my point.
I am not saying I think JL is right or you are right, what I am saying is you have no right to call someone a liar because you do not believe in what they do.
Misguided maybe, but liar NO!
What Malcop said. :thumbsup:
And besides, JL was in the process of proving that he wasn't lying about his claims. The results so far are inconclusive, but you've got to give the guy some credit for stepping up when asked. Now it seems he won't get the chance, not in this forum anyway.
To Everyone....
Look up JL's posts and see how many times bad arguments broke out. Those posts seem to attract argument.
Speed has his view, malcop, bayes, Superman....and myself....to name a few
Let us use this parting with JL to get on with the job of Winning with Roulette.
I think newbies are scared to post here...it looks aggressive at times, but strangely, I think some top flight members with great knowledge are a bit scared to post too because it becomes a black and white fight.
let get posting and helping....nudge in the right direction here....nudge in the right direction there and get the forum fun and not intimidating
my 2 peneth....sue me!
Turner.
wow ok.. Firstly, it is sad to see so many naive people and let me clarify a few points:
Please understand these points well:
1. Banning of JL has NOTHING to do with me disagreeing with him. It is entirely because:
a. he is Fender who has been banned multiple times before for inappropriate conduct. PLUS I have good reason to believe he is also CEH.
b. I believe he is degrading the integrity of the forum.
I have disagreed with many people on forums and I never banned them unless they were overall bad for the forum as per the forum rules.
2. The suggestion that I ban members that are against my products is ridiculous. I couldnt care less if people use whatever systems. From a promotional point of view, all the forum needs is CONTENT for the search engines. And that brings traffic to the ads. From a promotional perspective, the more content the better, and the more popular the content, the better - NO MATTER WHAT THE CONTENT IS.
Now JL was a top contributor of content. Good for me, lots of content even though it is so wrong it makes me feel "queasy" as people are so blind and can't see the problem. SO WHY DID I BAN HIM? . . . refer to point 1 above. I will not sacrifice what I know is right for a bit of extra profit.
I can see the banned people moved to victor's new forum. I won't name names yet, but last night I did some investigating with IP addresses to see who is who. And some of the top posters have been banned before under different names. Even people that are universally disliked, and it is clear nobody suspects a thing. I will watch these members closely.
The reason VLS is now quieter is because when i became admin, I identified some of the top posters were plain full of thing and causing damage to people that were not thinking correctly. Maybe I should have let the forum run rampant with manipulation, should I have? I'm not sure if I'd be happy with letting it happen.
I'm in the situation where I can see more than what most members see, including who's who, complaints from all sides etc. I also have a fairly good grasp of roulette too. So my position is I see someone using fake names and constantly misleading people.... but many members seem to want to be misled. And at the same time, letting them be misled is better for me as it is more content and more money. So, do I allow it to happen and sacrifice my morals and let it happen? . . . . . . or do I do the right thing and ban a serial offender?
What would you do? I made my decision.
Proofreader, you said:
QuoteHis objective is to sell/lease his roulette computer and create roulette partnerships. Allowing users to post systems/comments are secondary. Steve can't let someone with a questionable reputation affect his business.
NO. Selling is not primary. If it was, I would not have banned JL. Read what I wrote above.
Now regarding people that are against the ban. Either some people don't appreciate or understand the decision I made. It seems more they don't understand, or perhaps forget the past. If you want to be led up the garden path and lied to, you do that. People can decide for themselves.
I have enough evidence to support JL is CEH and am looking through old archives to confirm. What a waste of time though. It is al;ready clear JL is full of it and some of you are so naive. A year to test a long term strategy where you make only a few bets?.... +70 or whatever units is a true test of long term winning? I MEAN COME ON! Are some of you seriously buying it? Amazing!!!
Nevertheless, lets have a poll...
I've now unbanned JL and unlocked threads. Knock yourselves out, go get them casinos
BUT ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS! Like
1. why is 1000 sessions from one player different to 1000 sessions from the same player? Is there ANY evidence to support this?
2. Is playing say 100 spins in a year really long term??
Come on, its really not that hard. But some of you are so incredibly unknowledgeable and think I'm the one with the problem. You can think that. Wooo I'm the crackpot that uses physics and says you MUST increase accuracy of predictions. Wooo the crackpots are also the casinos because they are only concerned with advantage play methods, not the JL hit and run and progression and all that junk. Even the casinos are thickheaded... right? I'm used to people knowing no better about me or such basic things.
I think everyone has seen everyones colors :thumbsup:
Twister, yes indeed. Some people are literally deluded and actually think I'm the bad guy.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 04:05 PM 2012
wow ok.. Firstly, it is sad to see so many naive people and let me clarify a few points:
Please understand these points well:
1. Banning of JL has NOTHING to do with me disagreeing with him. It is entirely because:
a. he is Fender who has been banned multiple times before for inappropriate conduct. PLUS I have good reason to believe he is also CEH.
b. I believe he is degrading the integrity of the forum.
I have disagreed with many people on forums and I never banned them unless they were overall bad for the forum as per the forum rules.
Steve,
I was posting on VLS when "Fender" appeared and I don't recall him being banned multiple times. If he was banned multiple times what were his other usernames? I'm only aware of 2 - Fender & JohnLegend, and he was banned only once from VLS as I recall. Unlike other members like Viper/Jordan/MOP or John Gold/Sherminator he's never been aggressive/trolling or found to be selling systems, so what exactly is/was his inappropriate behaviour? what forum rules has he violated?
I think that's why some members are objecting to the ban, it seems like there's no good reason for it other than some unsubstantiated accusation that he's CEH. Most of us are "naive" in that we play around with systems, NONE of which can be winners from a mathematical point of view, but that's irrelevant to the protests against the ban. I've criticized JL myself, and was the first to do so, for over-hyping his systems and advocating H.A.R. (which I still think is nonsense, at least in the way that JL defines it). And to say that he should be banned because he's made claims that he hasn't "proved" is just ridiculous; even if it were a reasonable condition for not being banned (which it isn't) it's almost impossible to prove, especially online. The best you can do is calculate the odds of a claim being true, but it isn't conclusive proof.
Anyway, thanks for reinstating him, although I'm not sure whether he'll be back.
Bayes, does it really matter now? I'm allowing people to delude themselves.
But ok, fender was on my Rf.net forum too. Rule violations? Firstly, he is MISLEADING people. I have explained it all before. And some of you actually believe he has the method by "hit and run" and only playing a few spins each year. Like I said, astonishing. But like I said, it doesn't matter now. Secondly, fedner was banned previously for similar activity where he screwed with peoples heads clearly enough to the point where it was CLEAR ENOUGH TO BE REALISTICALLY DELIBERATE. He crossed the line between just being ignorant to well into the "damaging" other people. Not to mention he kept coming back under fake names after being banned, another violation.
Some deluded people think I'm the bad guy. NO IDEA. I just cannot get my head around the delusion.
Please don't tell me the accusation that he is CEH is unsubstantiated. You don't see the IP addresses accross 3 different forums. I do. I've explained this before, many times.
AGAIN, I did not ban him for not believing him. I don't believe many people on forums but I don't ban them for it. Read what I wrote.
Whether he comes back or not is up to him. My ads run on both forums so it really makes no difference to me. Like I said, I'm allowing manipulation and nonsense to run free. To teach some people a lesson. But unfortunately some people are so far in a deluded state, they'll probably die thinking I'm the bad guy, physics doesn't work, casinos and casino consultants don't know better, hit and run works, JL has the holy grail, +70 units in a year of play is significant... and so on. ****, I don't know how it can be any clearer. But whatever, I need to learn to live with other people's ignorance.
Quote from: malcop on Nov 14, 02:23 PM 2012
So speed let me get this straight, if you met someone that believed in God, as many in this world do, and because they have not proved his existence to your satisfaction you would call that person to his/her face that they are a liar!
Is this what you are saying?
I know we are talking about Roulette here, but because you do not hold someone's belief you have no right to call them a liar.
Throughout history by your premise there must have been many liars, those that believed the world was round, that man would be able to Fly, that man would go to the moon, that man would be able to speak to each other thousands of miles away with signals that go through the air, I don't need to go on, you should get my point.
I am not saying I think JL is right or you are right, what I am saying is you have no right to call someone a liar because you do not believe in what they do.
Misguided maybe, but liar NO!
For me he is a big liar, but I advise you to get rich with his systems as someone before.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 05:44 PM 2012
Bayes, does it really matter now? I'm allowing people to delude themselves.
But ok, fender was on my Rf.net forum too. Rule violations? Firstly, he is MISLEADING people. I have explained it all before. And some of you actually believe he has the method by "hit and run" and only playing a few spins each year. Like I said, astonishing. But like I said, it doesn't matter now. Secondly, fedner was banned previously for similar activity where he screwed with peoples heads clearly enough to the point where it was CLEAR ENOUGH TO BE REALISTICALLY DELIBERATE. He crossed the line between just being ignorant to well into the "damaging" other people. Not to mention he kept coming back under fake names after being banned, another violation.
Some deluded people think I'm the bad guy. NO IDEA. I just cannot get my head around the delusion.
Please don't tell me the accusation that he is CEH is unsubstantiated. You don't see the IP addresses accross 3 different forums. I do. I've explained this before, many times.
AGAIN, I did not ban him for not believing him. I don't believe many people on forums but I don't ban them for it. Read what I wrote.
Whether he comes back or not is up to him. My ads run on both forums so it really makes no difference to me. Like I said, I'm allowing manipulation and nonsense to run free. To teach some people a lesson. But unfortunately some people are so far in a deluded state, they'll probably die thinking I'm the bad guy, physics doesn't work, casinos and casino consultants don't know better, hit and run works, JL has the holy grail, +70 units in a year of play is significant... and so on. ****, I don't know how it can be any clearer. But whatever, I need to learn to live with other people's ignorance.
So basically Steve, we are all a bunch of knob-heads, who know Jack but we are good for Search Engine Optimization?
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 05:35 PM 2012
Twister, yes indeed. Some people are literally deluded and actually think I'm the bad guy.
Amazing :o How is that even possible ?? God this World is screwed up :o
Stop fighting, you only making everything worse! Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes. Who is right who is wrong? Doesn't matter? We're all trying to beat an impossible game here! ;D
QuoteGod this World is screwed up
Actually, yes it is screwed up.
QuoteSo basically Steve, we are all a bunch of knob-heads, who know Jack but we are good for Search Engine Optimization?
No not "Knob-heads". It is accurate to say many of you actually believe people like the JLs, the Alabalahs etc and think you can beat roulette with the same nonsense that has been tried a billion times before with the same result. Some of these people clearly and willingly manipulate people, but the victims have no clue about it. And I try to help people by explaining it all in plain English, but some of you are so far gone that you actually think I'm the bad guy. But such people post a lot, which actually benefits me financially.
I can't make it much clearer. Just leave it at I'm the bad guy. Everyone's happy. Believe whatever you want to believe.
QuoteStop fighting, you only making everything worse! Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes. Who is right who is wrong? Doesn't matter? We're all trying to beat an impossible game here!
NO!
Listen to me. Roulette has been beaten for a very long time. What you have said is a comment from someone who tries to beat it with methods like JL then scratches their head wondering how anyone can make money from this crazy game.
Anyway I just still cannot get my head around how blind some of you are. You support manipulators and criticize people telling the truth. Why would I help such people? I can't be bothered. Everyone do what you want.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 07:00 PM 2012
NO!
Listen to me. Roulette has been beaten for a very long time. What you have said is a comment from someone who tries to beat it with methods like JL then scratches their head wondering how anyone can make money from this crazy game.
WHAT THE **** I just still cannot get my head around how blind some of you are. I can't be bothered. Everyone do what you want.
What's the matter? It was a joke. >:( Ofcourse I believe roulette CAN be beaten, why would I be here on the forum if i didn't believe that ?... This fighting and bad attitudes leads nowhere . That was my point :/
Ignatus, sorry, its just that some people say such ridiculous things it is impossible to know if they are joking or serious. Doesnt this say something?...
np Steve.. but chillout now, and we all be friends OK. ;D Atleast we can be kind to one another? What this whole argument started with im not sure. I think we drop this now, and concentrate on the game. :P
Quote from: malcop on Nov 14, 02:23 PM 2012
So speed let me get this straight, if you met someone that believed in God, as many in this world do, and because they have not proved his existence to your satisfaction you would call that person to his/her face that they are a liar!
Is this what you are saying?
I know we are talking about Roulette here, but because you do not hold someone's belief you have no right to call them a liar.
Throughout history by your premise there must have been many liars, those that believed the world was round, that man would be able to Fly, that man would go to the moon, that man would be able to speak to each other thousands of miles away with signals that go through the air, I don't need to go on, you should get my point.
I am not saying I think JL is right or you are right, what I am saying is you have no right to call someone a liar because you do not believe in what they do.
Misguided maybe, but liar NO!
Malcop thanyou, and thanks to all who gave a level of indifference in all this. I will not be coming back to this forum to contribute any further to the delight of the owner.
But I want to make a few points clear before I exit.
1, I am 100% NOT this CEH charactor the owner wrongly accused me of being. I was Fender when I was on the VLS forum as Bayes kindly pointed out. I was turned on in a similar fashion then by this forums owner and banned.
2, I have never and WILL NEVER try to scam anyone, or sell any methods/systems COMPUTERS (Talk about double standards)
3, I dont try to mislead anyone, everyone has or should have a mind of their own. If you find what I am saying interesting and worth testing. YOU DO SO. I dont force anyone to follow anything I say.
4, PROOF, anyone can claim anything. What I will do over the next year will speak a million times more than anything I could post. The owner says I am deluded and anyone who listens to or tries anything I say is deluded. Bankrolls dont grow by themselves. Superman will verify that what I have been doing for the last 8 years is no pie in the sky delusion. 70 units indeed. 200 units to 10,000. And someone says he knows his math???
5, I want to thank those who contributed to my threads and gave me the inspiration to push for even better ways to tackle Mr random. Its been a pleasure. I will be keeping in touch with the cream of this forum anyhow. The support following this ridiculous incident has been overwhelming and very humbling thanks to those who kept an open mind.
As a friend of mine says KEEP A GOOD THOUGHT!
QuoteWhat I will do over the next year will speak a million times more than anything I could post
Yes I truly hope you do win that +70 units over that year. It will sure teach me a lesson. that's a whole year to lead people on for attention. One whole year... and at the end of it all, you can say whatever you want, and nobody will be able to disprove it.
But as for the people that actually test your system, they'll know it is nonsense.
I find it highly unlikely that you and CEH share the same ISP and live near each other. That is why I believe you are CEH.
QuoteI will be keeping in touch with the cream of this forum anyhow
You mean the deluded victims? Yes I expect you would.
I honestly dont know whether to feel sorry for your delusional followers or not. End of all, they do it to themselves.
Byeeee
This whole argument is Ridiculous JohnLegend. And you're not making it any better by bragging about your money. ;D I'm sorry I don't take anyone's side in this...
John, just answer this one question.....
What is the difference between 1000 players that play 1 session each, and 1 player that plays the same 1000 sessions?
After all, according to you there IS a difference.
Pretty please, answer. Or run for the hills because this one isnt so dumb.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Rodney King
now where's a friggin animated smiley rolling on the ground laughing his arse off when you need one???
Sure we can all get along. I already said I'll let everyone manipulate everyone. Oh happy days. I just had one question for john, but I don't think he is interested in answering critical questions. Too revealing..
I think the question & accurate answer is:
Q. What is the difference between 1000 players that play 1 session each, and 1 player that plays the same 1000 sessions?
A. No difference. But if I allow people to think this, then it will be far too easy to prove I am full of it.
I wasn't to be taken all too seriously Steve...Rodney King is sort of an inside joke thing for Americans that's why I needed an animated smiley (or ten of them maybe) rolling around laughing to end my comment
Okay...now back to the business of making money
ok no problem..
And john.... no answer. Wow what a surprise. That fact still doesnt help blind people.
Steve, tricky questions don't reveal anything. U r like a tricky investigator trying to fool an innocent guy into admitting he is guilty. Yes, tricky investigator or attorney can do such things.
Ask questions which u don't have an answer for.
Tricky questions have nothing to do with real game. John does not try do blind anyone, he has no interest, period.
u don't agree with him, fine. But your tricky questions prove nothing, sorry. All this looks like arguing how many devils or angels live on a needle point.
And i respect your game knowledge and all, but u can't just prove that John is lying about his game. He has no motivation to lie at all. He is not a scammer, he is not an "air shaker" like some jerks claiming to change the history of the planet. Maybe he is lucky in his wrong-doing, but u can't prove he is a liar. And maybe u r right and he is wrong, who knows. But the thing is that i agree with his views on hit-n-run, and hit-n-run is a part of rules of many professional players who are also legitimate book authors, not scammers.
Do u think that Lee Tutor, John Patrick, Brett Morton are wrong when they recommend short sessions? That's all "hit-n-run".
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 09:04 PM 2012
ok no problem..
And john.... no answer. Wow what a surprise. That fact still doesn't help blind people.
According to his last post he left/exited. In case you missed it.
... and you really think he doesnt read here anymore? Or do you think its the perfect excuse to avoid a simple revealing question?
for people that dont see it all, seriously. deluded. cant be bothered. have a good one
Iggiv: "Do u think that Lee Tutor, John Patrick, Brett Morton are wrong when they recommend short sessions? That's all "hit-n-run". "
If their methods rely on short term sessions to profit...
YES! ABSOLUTELY THEY ARE WRONG.
Why?.... with a negative edge, the more you play, the more you lose. With a positive edge, the more you play, the more you win.
If you need short term play, then you are DELUDING yourself and your winnings are only short term fluctuation.
My God what is wrong with some of you?? F-ING SERIOUS???? I can't believe it honestly. I'm honestly shaking my head thinking WHAT THE F----??????????!!!!
before I go nuts, I just have to let ignorant and deluded people do their own thing. I bet my two balls this week I have earned more than any of the deluded players will in their life. But you don't need 20 years experience to know basic facts. You just need to open your darn eyes and see basic truth
IT IS NOT ALL A MATTER OF OPINION!!!!!!!!!! MATHEMATICAL FACT IS NOT OPINION.
Look I give up. The advantage players here will understand the delusion. the system players will think "gee what's wrong with that guy?" leave it at that.
But like I said, JL's baning was not about his or anyone else's delusion. it is who he is and his intentions as per history.
Steve if i got such a question i would not know what to answer even if i know i am right. Look, some things here just don't reveal anything but one side as more skilled in arguments than another. I agreed that Robeenhut defeated me in arguments, because i just got tired of them.
Does it make me a liar? NO.
the same thing could be with John. Tricky questions, no answers. What the hell?
Now i will ask u a simple question. imagine
a 4 floor building with 24 windows and 2 entrances. Imagined? Now tell me when
the portier's grandmom died? That was roughly a puzzle given by brave soldier Shweik in the book by Yaroslav Hashek. And guess what? Nobody has been able to solve this puzzle yet. for many years.
Steve, u r AP i know. from your point of view they are wrong.
but they manage to win more than lose, they are not scammers.
No iggiv, mathematical and scientific certainty is NOT AN OPINION. IT IS NOT A POINT OF VIEW.
I don't believe any of them win more than they lose, and if they do, it would be short term results. There are winners and losers in short term play even with bad systems. It is a fact.
Iggiv we are on completely different wavelengths I'm sorry but respectfully you don't understand either.
And you are forgetting the fact that banning of JL had NOTHING to do with whether or not I agree with his strategy.
And you need to understand the casinos never bother with 'system' player because they are NO THREAT. Advantage play is just a way of saying "people that do what works". But ok, lets assume the casinos are still COMPLETELY dopey after all these years..... Truth is they laugh at most of the nonsense posted and love it. Gee, why would that be.
Nevermind I really don't have time for this anyway
OK Steve.
just take it easy :)
I believe that "Pattern Breaker" is a much hyped system which has no merits at all. It is simply 3 step martingale coupled with gamblers' fallacy that a particular even is more likely not to happen.
Both martingale and gamblers' fallacy are responsible for the biggest losses in gambling. Steve banned him very correctly. :thumbsup:
kings I'm glad you can see his system has no merit at all, but I did not ban him for having a bad system. My reasons were posted so everyone understood. If I banned people for a bad system, it would be a pretty quiet forum.
Reasons:
1. Banning of JL has NOTHING to do with me disagreeing with him. It is entirely because:
a. he is Fender who has been banned multiple times before for inappropriate conduct. PLUS I have good reason to believe he is also CEH. ie same IP range and from same ISP.
b. I believe he is degrading the integrity of the forum. Specifically I believe he is willfully misleading people for personal and selfish reasons (attention). There are many, many clues to this. For example, a whole year to test a system with a goal of +70 units.... because you know, you have to play for very small wins then run. I mean..... wtf? that's not a system. that's just plain short term play and praying for luck. There is much more to it, but whether or not he asks for money, he is a fraud. CEH does this for attention. It is sad to see so many gullible people, including members who I though had half a brain.
Even if he wasn't CEH (doubtful), he has also been banned previously for similar justified reasons.
It is nothing personal. Members are either good or bad for the forum. He is past the line and clearly BAD for the forum.
The votes support him being banned, because there is clear enough proof that he is CEH.
anyway whatever, just more wasted time, just drives me batty how INCREDIBLY DUMB some people are. so backwards without a shred of a clue
I think that some people lost common sense here regarding John. Its clear to me that he manipulated his stats and challenge anybody to prove me wrong. The shifts and turns.... Now after a timely visit of Mr Pilot who endorsed his idea posting some fairytale run of 180 wins in a row with PB he shifted from FIVE and 8 on 1 to play only PB ;D And FIVE produced 1000+ win streak overall and 70+ on a last step of a progression. Its ridiculous to repeatedly see such claims and if some believe in them then they are seriously misguided. I think that cooking the books could be a legitimate reason for being banned here. But i would not do it personally.
More like total loss of reasoning, not just common sense
Quotekings I'm glad you can see his system has no merit at all, but I did not ban him for having a bad system. My reasons were posted so everyone understood. If I banned people for a bad system, it would be a pretty quiet forum.
very true. most systems are bad. :D
I do sympathize with Steve's frustration regarding H.A.R. The way it's defined by JL, it simply makes no sense at all, and that's an objective fact, not an opinion. But some members think of it as just not playing long sessions to avoid a bad run or the house edge "catching up". It's true that in a negative expectation game, the longer you play, the more you will lose, but you can't make a "system" out of that fact. This is the kind of reasoning that underlies such a system, and it's faulty:
1. If I play too long, I'll hit a bad run or the house edge will start to bite.
2. If I don't play too long, I won't hit a bad run and the house edge won't bite.
(2) doesn't follow from (1). It's a fallacy called denying the antecedent (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent).
But this isn't what JL means by H.A.R. He maintains that given the same number of actual bets placed, you're better off breaking the sessions into a number of short sessions rather than one long one. According to JL, this alone gives you an advantage because you "somehow" (and it's never explained just how) will avoid the bad runs. I find it mind-boggling that anyone can swallow that logic. Remember, you're entering the game at random times (meaning there is no "trigger" - whether valid or invalid) and playing the same number of spins in each case. Simple reasoning should tell you that there will be no difference in terms of outcomes in the long term, the only difference being that if you're playing short sessions, it will take longer to realize that there's no difference.
It's just as likely (given that you enter the game at random times) that each of your short sessions will contain as many losses as playing one long "continuous" session.
On the other hand, if you have a valid trigger, then of course it makes sense to only play a limited number of spins as and when the conditions are right, and leave the table when the conditions deteriorate. You could call that H.A.R if you like, and it's the logical way to play.
Quote from: kingsroulette on Nov 14, 11:41 PM 2012
I believe that "Pattern Breaker" is a much hyped system which has no merits at all. It is simply 3 step martingale coupled with gamblers' fallacy that a particular even is more likely not to happen.
Both martingale and gamblers' fallacy are responsible for the biggest losses in gambling. Steve banned him very correctly. :thumbsup:
Then i should banned, some of the sh.it ive posted lol
Ok...i struggle to be serious but im approaching roulette from an imbalance point of view exactly as bayes just described. Imbalaces have a short life. I stop betting that short idea when the imbalace isnt there. Call it HAR ....call it what u want. I do ok out of roulette. My biggest limiter to making big bucks is playing with small stakes.
Turner
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 11:51 PM 2012
kings I'm glad you can see his system has no merit at all, but I did not ban him for having a bad system. My reasons were posted so everyone understood. If I banned people for a bad system, it would be a pretty quiet forum.
Reasons:
1. Banning of JL has NOTHING to do with me disagreeing with him. It is entirely because:
a. he is Fender who has been banned multiple times before for inappropriate conduct. PLUS I have good reason to believe he is also CEH. ie same IP range and from same ISP.
b. I believe he is degrading the integrity of the forum. Specifically I believe he is willfully misleading people for personal and selfish reasons (attention). There are many, many clues to this. For example, a whole year to test a system with a goal of +70 units.... because you know, you have to play for very small wins then run. I mean..... wtf? that's not a system. that's just plain short term play and praying for luck. There is much more to it, but whether or not he asks for money, he is a fraud. CEH does this for attention. It is sad to see so many gullible people, including members who I though had half a brain.
Even if he wasn't CEH (doubtful), he has also been banned previously for similar justified reasons.
It is nothing personal. Members are either good or bad for the forum. He is past the line and clearly BAD for the forum.
The votes support him being banned, because there is clear enough proof that he is CEH.
anyway whatever, just more wasted time, just drives me batty how INCREDIBLY DUMB some people are. so backwards without a shred of a clue
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Steve, i don't think it accomplishes much being rude to people. Does being a forum owner automatically gives you the right to label members? How would you react if I was the one making these comments about fellow members? Being right does not gives us the right to stop being cordial....something to think about.......
Vundarosa
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 11:51 PM 2012
kings I'm glad you can see his system has no merit at all, but I did not ban him for having a bad system. My reasons were posted so everyone understood. If I banned people for a bad system, it would be a pretty quiet forum.
Reasons:
1. Banning of JL has NOTHING to do with me disagreeing with him. It is entirely because:
a. he is Fender who has been banned multiple times before for inappropriate conduct. PLUS I have good reason to believe he is also CEH. ie same IP range and from same ISP.
It says JL has been a member since Feb 2011...we are nearing 2013.
You are just NOW getting around to banning him..for these violations you speak of?
Some one seems butt hurt
The honorable thing to do would be to "install" a block button. You don't like someone?? You block them..you won't even know they are here.
I think some people just love to p.iss and moan about anything.
You say so many people want him banned..yet these same people flock to a thread he starts with a new system he posts. If you didn't like his last 4 systems why would you even bother to look at a thread he posts a new system in??
Attention seekers of a different kind I suspect.
I agree with vundarosa. Was getting a bit annoyed myself being called "dumb" and "stupid" every post. If it wasn't for all us "dumb" and "stupid" people this forum wouldn't exist.
Quote from: kevint3 on Nov 15, 11:09 PM 2012
The honorable thing to do would be to "install" a block button. You don't like someone?? You block them..you won't even know they are here.
I think some people just love to p.iss and moan about anything.
You say so many people want him banned..yet these same people flock to a thread he starts with a new system he posts. If you didn't like his last 4 systems why would you even bother to look at a thread he posts a new system in??
Attention seekers of a different kind I suspect.
Out of curiosity to see how many members will fall for his fairytale claims. ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 16, 01:09 AM 2012
Out of curiosity to see how many members will fall for his fairytale claims. ;D
Then by extension this would have to be your reason for being in a forum where you believe that a money making system can't be found, except perhaps for VB.
If that's the reason, what have you been doing all this time?
Quote from: Still on Nov 16, 01:43 AM 2012
Then by extension this would have to be your reason for being in a forum where you believe that a money making system can't be found, except perhaps for VB.
If that's the reason, what have you been doing all this time?
Still
I was referring to JL claims and stats. And i sense some bitterness and disappointment among his supporters. I have problem with anybody's B.S claims. And what have you been doing all this time here? ;D Waiting for a perpetual money maker?
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 16, 01:52 AM 2012
Still
I was referring to JL claims and stats. And i sense some bitterness and disappointment among his supporters. I have problem with anybody's B.S claims. And what have you been doing all this time here? ;D Waiting for a perpetual money maker?
Regards
Matt,
You once told me you didn't think i would find what i was looking for here. I'm here because i have an open mind. I just want to know why you are here.
Quote from: Still on Nov 16, 02:01 AM 2012
Matt,
You once told me you didn't think i would find what i was looking for here. I'm here because i have an open mind. I just want to know why you are here.
Still
This is a roulette forum and i play roulette. I consider my being here as a sort of training before a real play. If you train you can improve your chances but the outcome is still not guaranteed.
Quote from: kevint3 on Nov 15, 11:09 PM 2012
The honorable thing to do would be to "install" a block button. You don't like someone?? You block them..you won't even know they are here.
I think some people just love to p.iss and moan about anything.
You say so many people want him banned..yet these same people flock to a thread he starts with a new system he posts. If you didn't like his last 4 systems why would you even bother to look at a thread he posts a new system in??
Attention seekers of a different kind I suspect.
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there is such a feature....i'm already using it :twisted:
vundarosa
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 16, 02:36 AM 2012
Still
This is a roulette forum and i play roulette. I consider my being here as a sort of training before a real play. If you train you can improve your chances but the outcome is still not guaranteed.
There are two schools of thought here:
a)lose less
b)win; win more
Choice a) to me, seems like a waste of time. Choice b) requires an open mind. There is a chance that time will be wasted. I take that risk. Choice a) makes no sense to me since there are far more lucrative things people could be doing with their time and math skills. I am not a gambler, and don't understand the gambling mentality. Should gamblers really be judging non-gamblers?
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 11:20 PM 2012
I bet my two balls this week I have earned more than any of the deluded players will in their life.
Run the mouth and show the proof......afterall isn't that your b.itch with others?
Quote from: Still on Nov 16, 03:23 AM 2012
There are two schools of thought here:
a)lose less
b)win; win more
Choice a) to me, seems like a waste of time. Choice b) requires an open mind. There is a chance that time will be wasted. I take that risk. Choice a) makes no sense to me since there are far more lucrative things people could be doing with their time and math skills. I am not a gambler, and don't understand the gambling mentality. Should gamblers really be judging non-gamblers?
Still
It seems to me that you only want to explore roulette theoretically here. Then you don't need to be a gambler. If you really want to play for real you need to realize that taking gambling out of roulette and beating it constantly its just a fairytale. And it takes an open mind to believe in fairy tales. ;D
Regards
Quote from: kevint3 on Nov 16, 09:28 PM 2012
Run the mouth and show the proof......afterall isn't that your b.itch with others?
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what, are you suggesting a "The Steve Challenge" thread?! :o :o
vundarosa
StillThis is a roulette forum and i play roulette. I consider my being here as a sort of training before a real play. If you train you can improve your chances but the outcome is still not guaranteed.
I can agreed with your opinion ROBEENHUUT ;)
ludo8400
PS The last 3 pages of this item , not a word about the system PBB itselfs. In football there is a team and they are playing with a ball and not tackling the player
Robeen...
The training comment is spot on. (Turners going to mention Chess again) Yes I am!
When I was playing Chess big time (yawn!) being soaked in all things chess was part of the training. Keeping your mind on the job helps greatly. Just to read something you knew already was keeping the mindset going.
I totally agree. If I went on holiday and did nothing for 2 weeks, I was rusty when i came back. Just 2 weeks was enough to be ring rusty
Turner
Quote from: ludo8400 on Nov 17, 04:10 AM 2012
StillThis is a roulette forum and i play roulette. I consider my being here as a sort of training before a real play. If you train you can improve your chances but the outcome is still not guaranteed.
I can agreed with your opinion ROBEENHUUT ;)
ludo8400
PS The last 3 pages of this item , not a word about the system PBB itselfs. In football there is a team and they are playing with a ball and not tackling the player
OK I will say something, if I understand correctly PB is played until you are ahead +1 or more and then end the session, is that correct?
Well there is nothing new in that kind of play I used to do a lot of system betting on horses and have used a few systems that did that, you would have say 5 or 6 selections, use a progression and stop at the first winner, you could even fill in your betting slip and give it to your bookmaker, with the instructions of "STOP AT A WINNER" and get all your unused stake and winnings back.
But the question is do I see the logic of it? my answer is NO! I would much prefer to place my an equal amount of stake on all those selections for the day, and then total up my wins and losses, if I got more money back from winning selections than I invested for the day, then that was a winning day (session).
Lets be honest we all could find a bet selection that at some point is in the plus and then exit, for example I could play my simple trend catcher flat-bet and at some point be ahead +1 or more in a session, and then end the session, but would I class that as a good session no, I believe you should be trying to get a percentage of your session buy-in back in profit, so for example if I used a 20 unit buy-in, then for me if I was flat-betting then 5-10 units would be a good session.
Sorry for being a bit long winded but there are lots of methods on this forum that could achieve at least a +1 unit profit in a session, using flat-betting or progression.
Am I saying PB is no good no, just saying it performs no better or worst to a lot of other stuff you can find on this forum.
I have no problem with what JL dose, but it is not for me, if he wants to play that way then fine, he is not hurting anyone is he?
But I have been around gambling for over 30 years now, first half of that was sports betting, the rest casino play in one form of another, seen hundreds of systems/progressions.
What people need to do is decide on what they feel comfortable with, I know I do not like large progressions, so would rather flat-bet or use a mild progression if I must, what kind are you?
Look at stuff on this forum there are lots of methods that could be used to grind out a profit, without breaking the bank.
Thanks
malcop
"Sorry for being a bit long winded but there are lots of methods on this forum that could achieve at least a +1 unit profit in a session, using flat-betting or progression."
malcop
I wish I could find one of those! Of course, your word "could" is the kicker.
How many times have I logged on and watched my balance just go down down down? Way too many!
If you're flat-betting and win more 1's than you lose, you're destined for money down the road. I'll never achieve that +1 with a progression. I've tried for years.
Sam
Soon or likely later flat betting can be +1 on nozero, If you spend a week a cent, but that is not for sure. Most of us want to make a decent win. It is possible for just some, as the game has more losers than winners. Winning is pretty hard to do, Long term is loss for most due to HE, but in some cases long timer do winnings, losses which can be not minor, can be recovered with large good winnings. You will never know before. Be prepared you can lose, do not think it is without risk to win. You can win! Nobody win without a risk to lose.
I power tested Pattern Breaker. There is no way to make it work other than analyzing the conditions and placing bets that look safe to bet. For example you might be needing to bet against an HHH losing. So you would place a LLL bet during a L streak.
100 thousand sessions, 63 spins per session, American Wheel - 0/00
Results:
Wins = 84,515
Losses = 15,485
Double Losses = 2,319
Triple Losses = 342
I think you're supposed to test it on European roulette wheel. Anyways, i just do see how tracking old spins will have impact on new spins.
Amazin, If I change (37) for the (38) that is now there, then I'll get those results that you suggest. Give me ten minutes.
100 thousand sessions, 63 spins per session, European Wheel - 0
Results:
Wins = 85,639
Losses = 14,361
Double Losses = 2,048
Triple Losses = 306
then jow come people lose their shirts in a casino? Something does not jive here. B.S.
I only see key board winners in ALL the forums.
No wonder the originator of this topic has been banned.Now he he is finding suckers at another forum.
Nathan Detroit
Quote from: Tamino on Nov 17, 06:03 PM 2012
then jow come people lose their shirts in a casino? Something does not jive here. B.S.
I only see key board winners in ALL the forums.
No wonder the originator of this topic has been banned.Now he he is finding suckers at another forum.
Nathan Detroit
Self confessed, I'm no expert on this style of play....the mantra of JLs posts allways had the same rhetoric. The audience attention is achieved, and he plays them.
1. Random numbers are in some way a river of numbers which in some way you can tame...like we do with a dam in a river
My view: there is no flow with random numbers (note I didn't call it random like it is a noun). Its 1 individual event followed by a completly unrelated event, preceeded by a completly unrelated event.
2. We have to feel pain during a system...slow, labourious, dedication...for a painfully small reward.
3. Complete and utter belief in his system to the point of lying to be esoteric. Esoteric is the key to John. Keeping the final piece of the jigsaw to himself to keep the power. Telling you enough but not everything. The enough he isnt telling us doesn't exit....that's the hard bit to get
4. finally, and rather sad and embarrasing is all the PR he pumps out about how he will conquer the "casino" per se.
Confident, arrogant or stu.pid?. he's a complex personality.
Turner
Turner, One of the absolutely most important things to know about beating randomness is that you must understand item number one of your most recent post above. You can't begin to attack randomness if you are delusional regarding magical thinking. You can't put your head in a bag and then tell others that you see clearly.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Nov 17, 07:21 PM 2012
Turner, One of the absolutely most important things to know about beating randomness is that you must understand item number one of your most recent post above. You can't begin to attack randomness if you are delusional regarding magical thinking. You can't put your head in a bag and then tell others that you see clearly.
Gizmo....Are you agreeing with me or not agreeing? are you saying random numbers arnt isolated events?.....it a lovely subject. A definate indication of how humans need patterns. Even when they arnt there
Quote from: Tamino on Nov 17, 06:03 PM 2012
then jow come people lose their shirts in a casino? Something does not jive here. B.S.
I only see key board winners in ALL the forums.
No wonder the originator of this topic has been banned.Now he he is finding suckers at another forum.
Nathan Detroit
I don't think the man has found any suckers until he relieves them of their money. We are all smart enough to know this is gambling. While his claims are bold and sometimes outlandish, he has not asked for money from anyone that I know of.
Sam
Quote from: Turner on Nov 17, 07:53 PM 2012
Gizmo....Are you agreeing with me or not agreeing? are you saying random numbers arnt isolated events?.....it a lovely subject. A definate indication of how humans need patterns. Even when they arnt there
I'm agreeing with you completely. With item number one that is. However, I'm saying that patterns exist anyway, by no cause or action. They exist because players can imagine seeing them. The existence of a trend or pattern is only a phantom of imagination. Now please tell us all why you can't use them for bet selection? What happens when a past spin chart shows 12 reds in a row? Did it happen or not?
********* While his claims are bold and sometimes outlandish, he has not asked for money from anyone that I know of.***** excerpt of quote by TowCatSam
I agree he has never asked for any money . But what about the pilot with his claim of having won Euro 71, 000 and some posters supporting the pilot . An entire group has disappeared .
Is this a well organized game plan that the money angle is done behind the scenes? ( PM or e-mai).
just a thought.
Nathan Detroit
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 17, 01:17 AM 2012
Still
It seems to me that you only want to explore roulette theoretically here. Then you don't need to be a gambler.
I have no more interest in exploring theory than i do in losing less. The intent is to play, if and when a system shows, for whatever reason, understood or not, that it can beat the wheel flat betting. I am not confident about any system that cannot at least break even flat, but am still open to that (a progression that overcomes negative expectancy) if testing produces a graph that suggests the system is robust, and NOT a gamble to play long term.
Of course, if you never intend to play, you can neither be a gambler, nor a professional gambler (a non-gambler). Again, its not my intent to not play.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 17, 01:17 AM 2012
If you really want to play for real you need to realize that taking gambling out of roulette and beating it constantly its just a fairytale. And it takes an open mind to believe in fairy tales. ;D
Regards
With statements like this, you are putting yourself in the 'lose less' school of thought, and somehow believe that you, the gambler, can judge those of us who won't put a penny on the table unless there is a long term promise of coming out ahead based on robust testing.
"Play for real"? What does that mean to you? Play to lose less? Then you MUST be a gambler.
"For real", to me, means taking the gambling out of betting before ever starting. "Constantly" is your term with your own meaning. No one is dumb enough to think he can win every bet. That would be a fairy tale indeed. All that is needed is a flat bet of 50.1% chance to win long term, all the better if this can be shown to be achievable in most short sessions over hundreds of thousands of bets. That, to me, is NOT a gamble to deal with.
So it must be you, the gambler, who is interested in the theory of losing less. I don't know how much you have lost total so far, but if it's a significant amount, i can understand why you would want to jump all over people who say you can actually win, implying you have chosen to lose. Since i don't have an emotional investment like that (because i'm not a gambler) I am able to remain open minded till test results come in. I am confident in my ability to judge a winning system, given certain kinds of data. I remain here because i have seen some promising data, and only need to find my own time to double-check the promising system(s) with my own tests.
Regards
Quote from: Still on Nov 18, 02:09 AM 2012
I have no more interest in exploring theory than i do in losing less. The intent is to play, if and when a system shows, for whatever reason, understood or not, that it can beat the wheel flat betting. I am not confident about any system that cannot at least break even flat, but am still open to that (a progression that overcomes negative expectancy) if testing produces a graph that suggests the system is robust, and NOT a gamble to play long term.
Of course, if you never intend to play, you can neither be a gambler, nor a professional gambler (a non-gambler). Again, its not my intent to not play.
With statements like this, you are putting yourself in the 'lose less' school of thought, and somehow believe that you, the gambler, can judge those of us who won't put a penny on the table unless there is a long term promise of coming out ahead based on robust testing.
"Play for real"? What does that mean to you? Play to lose less? Then you MUST be a gambler.
"For real", to me, means taking the gambling out of betting before ever starting. "Constantly" is your term with your own meaning. No one is dumb enough to think he can win every bet. That would be a fairy tale indeed. All that is needed is a flat bet of 50.1% chance to win long term, all the better if this can be shown to be achievable in most short sessions over hundreds of thousands of bets. That, to me, is NOT a gamble to deal with.
So it must be you, the gambler, who is interested in the theory of losing less. I don't know how much you have lost total so far, but if it's a significant amount, i can understand why you would want to jump all over people who say you can actually win, implying you have chosen to lose. Since i don't have an emotional investment like that (because i'm not a gambler) I am able to remain open minded till test results come in. I am confident in my ability to judge a winning system, given certain kinds of data. I remain here because i have seen some promising data, and only need to find my own time to double-check the promising system(s) with my own tests.
Regards
Still
I just wonder what you consider some promising data and systems here. So far i got only tidbits from you. I know from your charting JL results in his challenge that you like charts that produce a steady upward climb. And this month i lost 239 Euros but in October i had a very good result. It just changes. ;D Happy testing.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 02:54 AM 2012
Still
I just wonder what you consider some promising data and systems here. So far i got only tidbits from you. I know from your charting JL results in his challenge that you like charts that produce a steady upward climb. And this month i lost 239 Euros but in October i had a very good result. It just changes. ;D Happy testing.
Regards
Well Speed has shown some promising data but doesn't think it's playable because of too large % drawdowns. I disagree it can't be improved. He won't let me help. But all it takes is one person to show that it's possible to win long term flat to show that there MAY be more than one way to do it. I have reason to believe that at least one person has provided sufficient data to show the wheel can be beat flat.
In the Bayes challenge, JL showed an ability to win flat, showing a trend on the chart that suggests it was not random. He has since dropped the ball because he has apparently deviated from sticking with a winning formula. It's hard to say because he has not provided analysis as to why FIVE was not working as well as on the BAYES software, notwithstanding the need to move the wheel.
ego has shown some promising data.
And you cant ignore what Flat_Ino is doing, if its true this is a way of life and a stream of income for him.
Sorry if i'm leaving anyone out who deserves to be considered here to win, not lose less.
The point is there is sufficient data to have an open mind, and pending my own tests to double-check their work, i intend to play to win...or not at all.
I have been distracted lately, so am not where i want to be with test results. But all i really need to see is a chart with a lot of data points to tell what is a winner, and what is a gamble...given no flaws in the test process.
I don't have time to program every method suggestion that comes out, because my testing platform is not set up for efficiency yet. So i have to sit back, and wait see till threads peter out before i can really determine, usually by general enthusiasm, what would be worth programming.
More power to those who can be long term winners without generating a ton of data through programming. I don't have that kind of power or patience. So i won't proceed till i've generated a lot of data myself, through programming, so as to avoid the much harder work of hand-calculating and/or tracking real-time bets.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 02:54 AM 2012
Still
I just wonder what you consider some promising data and systems here.
Regards
I just noticed Gizmotron's data on a variation of PATTERNBREAKER in post #1245, a few posts back. that's what i call robust data, given no flaws in the testing. Now all i have to do is figure out what exactly he did, and run my own tests to verify. Assuming it checks out, I would not consider a bet on that data to be a gamble, provided the bet size was rightly proportional to BR.
I think your approach of needing to understand why something wins (or loses less) before you test (or play) something is flawed and nonproductive. Data is KING.
Quote from: Still on Nov 18, 03:45 AM 2012
I just noticed Gizmotron's data on a variation of PATTERNBREAKER in post #1245, a few posts back. that's what i call robust data, given no flaws in the testing. Now all i have to do is figure out what exactly he did, and run my own tests to verify. Assuming it checks out, I would not consider a bet on that data to be a gamble, provided the bet size was rightly proportional to BR.
It showed total loss and a strike rate well below John's. But it was not HAR ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 03:55 AM 2012
It showed total loss and a strike rate well below John's. But it was not HAR ;D
If it shows a total loss, then i'm not doing the math right. The point is to have a large body of data LIKE THAT before proceeding with any kind of bet. Please show me how you are doing math on that data.
Quote from: Still on Nov 18, 04:05 AM 2012
If it shows a total loss, then i'm not doing the math right. The point is to have a large body of data LIKE THAT before proceeding with any kind of bet. Please show me how you are doing math on that data.
Multiply number of wins by a win in a session then multiply number of losses by a total loss in a session then compare. In my math about more than 20k loss.
85k - 15kx7 = - 20k
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 04:12 AM 2012
Multiply number of wins by a win in a session then multiply number of losses by a total loss in a session then compare. In my math about more than 20k loss.
85k - 15kx7 = - 20k
If that's the case, and your math is not mistaken, then it (whatever was tested) won't work. If there are no other values that can be plugged in for win/losses (the progression) that will work, then, NExT!
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 03:55 AM 2012
But it was not HAR ;D
As for HAR, that too is easy to test with a computer program so it's results could be compared with the non-stop data stream. If it still doesn't work, then HAR, if it works at all, must have something to do with human consciousness messing with parallel universes. I would not need to understand why. All that is needed is DATA. It's harder to generate data when a lone human is testing HAR against non-stop play...but it could be generated. It's just not likely to be generated because few would have the stamina and time to carry out a truly scientific test on that concept. Because i'm not a gambler, i would not play an otherwise losing system trusting in HAR without a lot of DATA to support. But i would play it if the data supported. Data is KING here in a complex world of paradox where random number generators can be influenced by collective consciousness.
Quote from: Still on Nov 18, 03:27 AM 2012
Well Speed has shown some promising data but doesn't think it's playable because of too large % drawdowns. I disagree it can't be improved. He won't let me help. But all it takes is one person to show that it's possible to win long term flat to show that there MAY be more than one way to do it. I have reason to believe that at least one person has provided sufficient data to show the wheel can be beat flat.
In the Bayes challenge, JL showed an ability to win flat, showing a trend on the chart that suggests it was not random. He has since dropped the ball because he has apparently deviated from sticking with a winning formula. It's hard to say because he has not provided analysis as to why FIVE was not working as well as on the BAYES software, notwithstanding the need to move the wheel.
ego has shown some promising data.
And you can't ignore what Flat_Ino is doing, if its true this is a way of life and a stream of income for him.
Sorry if i'm leaving anyone out who deserves to be considered here to win, not lose less.
The point is there is sufficient data to have an open mind, and pending my own tests to double-check their work, i intend to play to win...or not at all.
I have been distracted lately, so am not where i want to be with test results. But all i really need to see is a chart with a lot of data points to tell what is a winner, and what is a gamble...given no flaws in the test process.
I don't have time to program every method suggestion that comes out, because my testing platform is not set up for efficiency yet. So i have to sit back, and wait see till threads peter out before i can really determine, usually by general enthusiasm, what would be worth programming.
More power to those who can be long term winners without generating a ton of data through programming. I don't have that kind of power or patience. So i won't proceed till i've generated a lot of data myself, through programming, so as to avoid the much harder work of hand-calculating and/or tracking real-time bets.
Still
Speed posted a chart that survived 1M spins. Yet he is smart enough not to conclude thats a winning system. I tested just for fun Reversed Labby and it survived also 1M spins but it required long sessions and a huge BR. You can test everything until you drop dead and there is always the moment that you think that you got it. Then you test bit more or worse start playing and a big disappointment comes sooner or later. All systems that make some promise or based on data seen if you are a frequent player or tester. You make educated guesses based on that. But all of them are based on a smaller or bigger fallacy. Unfortunately data collected in large number of spins behaves with large dose of predictability only in large number of spins.
Most people here when somebody posts something ask why it should work. Usually there is some theory that explains it. If this theory works more than it does not in sets of spins you were given you make money and its possible but not guaranteed to make money even in the long run.
So if somebody comes up with a winning system he should be able to answer the most basic question... Why if in large number of continuous spins your system fails it could make long term profit played in shorter sessions.
As to John's run with FIVE the Bayes RNG challenge was considered flawed and i had problem believing his stats. And theory behind it did not make sense.
Something came to me and it ironic to say the least. Most people are familiar with Monty Python. For a long time now JL has reminded me of the Black Knight in one of their films. Even though he is defeated and is there with no arms or legs, just a head on a body, he continues to brag and boast how he is going to win.
Whats the name of that film again?.....ang on, its come to me now........THE HOLY GRAIL...
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
Still
Speed posted a chart that survived 1M spins. Yet he is smart enough not to conclude that's a winning system.
Or, he is too proud to ask for help from another perspective. Not smart. It had positive expectancy over a seriously significant weight of data, whatever it was. What matters: Did it land far enough into positive territory to show that it could not have been random? There are ways to test for that. And if not random, then its a winning system. Question then, can your BR handle it? His answer was NO, so not playable from BR point of view...and from how much time might pass before reaching a new high. You're assuming he is smart enough to figure out how to fix that problem...or smart enough to declare the problem is not fixable. I don't assume that.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
I tested just for fun Reversed Labby and it survived also 1M spins but it required long sessions and a huge BR.
See what i said above. You are assuming it can't be fixed. I don't assume that and for good reason.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
You can test everything until you drop dead and there is always the moment that you think that you got it. Then you test bit more or worse start playing and a big disappointment comes sooner or later.
This is a problem with the operator, not the machinery. One will be a good scientist, another will be a bad scientist. While there is promising data out there, it's too early to be using terms like "always". That sounds like prejudice to me. I can speculate on the reasons for the prejudice but not now.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
All systems that make some promise or based on data seen if you are a frequent player or tester.
This is a malformed sentence so i can't really comment on what its supposed to mean. But i notice the term "all" as probably another prejudiced statement. You have A LOT invested with your position, that's for sure. And if you are right, it means you are happy to gamble.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
You make educated guesses based on that. But all of them are based on a smaller or bigger fallacy.
There's that term "all" again. And if I'm not mistaken, this is an argument against doing any scientific testing in search of an actually winning system. It also appears to me that you would not recognize a winning system if you saw it (the data to support it).
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
Unfortunately data collected in large number of spins behaves with large dose of predictability only in large number of spins.
...unless it behaves predictably in small sets of spins too. The data will determine that, not prejudice. Methods with positive expectancy can be massaged till its draw-down characteristics are manageable. Now, maybe that's my own prejudice. But i have good reason to believe it, and think it is worth the time to test, rather than spending equal time arguing against running tests...all the while spending time at the table...gambling.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
Most people here when somebody posts something ask why it should work. Usually there is some theory that explains it.
I see this as trolling. You have already decided nothing is going to work, and are happy to gamble. So why engage that line of tact? People believe things work because they have had a modicum of luck which has yielded some interesting data. Some of it is admittedly "voodoo". Its up to the rest of us to test it, even they do not understand why it works. Sometimes people post a method after only a hundred lucky bets. Why bother them with 'Why, why?' Just put it on low priority for testing. But if someone comes in with a method backed by a LOT more data, again, why ask why? There are two choices: be a troll or run a test of your own. Better yet, run a test and publish the results wherever someone believes his system works (but doesn't).
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
If this theory works more than it does not in sets of spins you were given you make money and its possible but not guaranteed to make money even in the long run.
There's one way to find out if any method proposed works; test it. Theorizing is just a way to justify not running a test. Its understandable why you would not want to test; it takes time and effort. But it also takes time to theorize why not, and it takes time to stand at the table...gambling. I can see why the Wizard of Odds would not want to run tests. If you feel he is infallible and feel your math skills are at his level, then why not hang around his site and school the people that challenge him? Why come here? I don't intend to master his level of math, so for me, testing accomplishes the same thing without going years to a university. For less work, i can know the same thing he knows, but only i will have a chance to discover something he does not know.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
So if somebody comes up with a winning system he should be able to answer the most basic question... Why if in large number of continuous spins your system fails it could make long term profit played in shorter sessions.
A system that fails (does not have any positive expectancy flat betting) over large continuous spins is not a winning system, unless, against all odds, there is a magic progression that overcomes it, and enough evidence to warrant a test.
I think you are specifically talking about JL and HAR here. I've already addressed HAR, and how easy it would be to test it along with (side by side) whatever computer program tests a large number of continuous spins. Otherwise, its a matter of human consciousness messing with parallel universes. Since you don't know how that works, it would be better to have that tested as well, except its harder to test. Bayes came up with a way to test that, and Superman is insuring the test is not flawed. A test like that takes more time. Till the test is done, why not let people believe what they want. JL is, or was, probably the hardest working scientist here, and in exchange for his data, i think he is entitled to be over-optimistic at times. At least he is out to win, and is not happy to be just another trolling gambler.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 05:38 AM 2012
As to John's run with FIVE the Bayes RNG challenge was considered flawed and i had problem believing his stats. And theory behind it did not make sense.
Well i don't believe JL profited from the flaws in Bayes system. And if not, his data was very significant.
Finally, you are being rather self-contradictory. There is simply no theory of winning in your book. So nothing that proposes to win is going to makes sense to you! So go over to Wizard of Odds site, or learn to run some tests and contribute to this forum!
Thanks very much!
Still
nobody has to prove anyone anything. if John is doing good in roulette then he is doing good. Even
if he reminds someone of Freddie Kruger or Predator.
And some people forget what those forums were created for. They were not created for winning or losing arguments. They were created for friendly exchange of ideas. That's what JL was doin here. Maybe his ideas were wrong who knows. But at least he tried and worked on it. He said he is winning in roulette, good for him.
And some people gloriously defeated him in arguments. Good for them. Maybe it will help them defeat roulette too.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 18, 07:16 AM 2012
nobody has to prove anyone anything. if John is doing good in roulette then he is doing good. Even
if he reminds someone of Freddie Kruger or Predator.
And some people forget what those forums were created for. They were not created for winning or losing arguments. They were created for friendly exchange of ideas. That's what JL was doing here. Maybe his ideas were wrong who knows. But at least he tried and worked on it. He said he is winning in roulette, good for him.
And some people gloriously defeated him in arguments. Good for them. Maybe it will help them defeat roulette too.
Iggiv
John wanted to prove at any cost that he was right. He relentlessly pushed his ideas here and implied that "masses" here had no patience and a frame of mind to defeat roulette. It did not sit well with some members here including me. So why do you act surprised that some members jumped on him? I never attacked him personally ok in the end i accused him openly of embellishing his stats. I know you had a problem with that. And there was no chance of winning an argument with John.
Regards
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 18, 07:16 AM 2012
nobody has to prove anyone anything. if John is doing good in roulette then he is doing good. Even
if he reminds someone of Freddie Kruger or Predator.
And some people forget what those forums were created for. They were not created for winning or losing arguments. They were created for friendly exchange of ideas. That's what JL was doing here. Maybe his ideas were wrong who knows. But at least he tried and worked on it. He said he is winning in roulette, good for him.
And some people gloriously defeated him in arguments. Good for them. Maybe it will help them defeat roulette too.
You are such a part pooper Iggiv. It was a joke, you know? A bit of fun....a laugh. Do these phrases mean anything to you?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 07:41 AM 2012
And there was no chance of winning an argument with John.
Not quite correct Matt....."and there was no chance of him addmitting you had won an argument"
A subtle difference
Quote from: Turner on Nov 18, 07:41 AM 2012
You are such a part pooper Iggiv. It was a joke, you know? A bit of fun....a laugh. Do these phrases mean anything to you?
of course not. i don't know about jokes and fun. i cry all night when i read this forum.
:wink:
But on the other hand all this looks like heroic kicking a dead elephant.
Quote from: Still on Nov 18, 07:15 AM 2012
Or, he is too proud to ask for help from another perspective. Not smart. It had positive expectancy over a seriously significant weight of data, whatever it was. What matters: Did it land far enough into positive territory to show that it could not have been random? There are ways to test for that. And if not random, then its a winning system. Question then, can your BR handle it? His answer was NO, so not playable from BR point of view...and from how much time might pass before reaching a new high. You're assuming he is smart enough to figure out how to fix that problem...or smart enough to declare the problem is not fixable. I don't assume that.
See what i said above. You are assuming it can't be fixed. I don't assume that and for good reason.
This is a problem with the operator, not the machinery. One will be a good scientist, another will be a bad scientist. While there is promising data out there, it's too early to be using terms like "always". That sounds like prejudice to me. I can speculate on the reasons for the prejudice but not now.
This is a malformed sentence so i can't really comment on what its supposed to mean. But i notice the term "all" as probably another prejudiced statement. You have A LOT invested with your position, that's for sure. And if you are right, it means you are happy to gamble.
There's that term "all" again. And if I'm not mistaken, this is an argument against doing any scientific testing in search of an actually winning system. It also appears to me that you would not recognize a winning system if you saw it (the data to support it).
...unless it behaves predictably in small sets of spins too. The data will determine that, not prejudice. Methods with positive expectancy can be massaged till its draw-down characteristics are manageable. Now, maybe that's my own prejudice. But i have good reason to believe it, and think it is worth the time to test, rather than spending equal time arguing against running tests...all the while spending time at the table...gambling.
I see this as trolling. You have already decided nothing is going to work, and are happy to gamble. So why engage that line of tact? People believe things work because they have had a modicum of luck which has yielded some interesting data. Some of it is admittedly "voodoo". Its up to the rest of us to test it, even they do not understand why it works. Sometimes people post a method after only a hundred lucky bets. Why bother them with 'Why, why?' Just put it on low priority for testing. But if someone comes in with a method backed by a LOT more data, again, why ask why? There are two choices: be a troll or run a test of your own. Better yet, run a test and publish the results wherever someone believes his system works (but doesn't).
There's one way to find out if any method proposed works; test it. Theorizing is just a way to justify not running a test. Its understandable why you would not want to test; it takes time and effort. But it also takes time to theorize why not, and it takes time to stand at the table...gambling. I can see why the Wizard of Odds would not want to run tests. If you feel he is infallible and feel your math skills are at his level, then why not hang around his site and school the people that challenge him? Why come here? I don't intend to master his level of math, so for me, testing accomplishes the same thing without going years to a university. For less work, i can know the same thing he knows, but only i will have a chance to discover something he does not know.
A system that fails (does not have any positive expectancy flat betting) over large continuous spins is not a winning system, unless, against all odds, there is a magic progression that overcomes it, and enough evidence to warrant a test.
I think you are specifically talking about JL and HAR here. I've already addressed HAR, and how easy it would be to test it along with (side by side) whatever computer program tests a large number of continuous spins. Otherwise, its a matter of human consciousness messing with parallel universes. Since you don't know how that works, it would be better to have that tested as well, except its harder to test. Bayes came up with a way to test that, and Superman is insuring the test is not flawed. A test like that takes more time. Till the test is done, why not let people believe what they want. JL is, or was, probably the hardest working scientist here, and in exchange for his data, i think he is entitled to be over-optimistic at times. At least he is out to win, and is not happy to be just another trolling gambler.
Well i don't believe JL profited from the flaws in Bayes system. And if not, his data was very significant.
Finally, you are being rather self-contradictory. There is simply no theory of winning in your book. So nothing that proposes to win is going to makes sense to you! So go over to Wizard of Odds site, or learn to run some tests and contribute to this forum!
Thanks very much!
Still
Still
From what i see here your main contributions here so far are charting of the progress of JL challenge and constantly getting on my case. I suggest that you learn how to interpret some basic stats like Gizmo's here first. And for tests i use RX,Random.org,some actuals from here and my own data.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 03:55 AM 2012
It showed total loss and a strike rate well below John's. But it was not HAR ;D
H&R is a form of magical thinking. If you want to beat roulette you must be aware of the current conditions and attack them when they are in a more advantageous state. All hit and run does is make the randomness more random. Now if that sounds useless to you that's because it is. If, on the other hand, you believe that more randomness makes you win more, then perhaps you should ask yourself why it should. I prefer seeking the truth. The truth will save you more money than learning the truth will.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Nov 18, 08:42 AM 2012
H&R is a form of magical thinking. If you want to beat roulette you must be aware of the current conditions and attack them when they are in a more advantageous state. All hit and run does is make the randomness more random. Now if that sounds useless to you that's because it is. If, on the other hand, you believe that more randomness makes you win more, then perhaps you should ask yourself why it should. I prefer seeking the truth. The truth will save you more money than learning the truth will.
Nice spin on HAR fallacy Gizmo. Hopefully i was not mistaken for HAR advocate. ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 08:51 AM 2012
Nice spin on HAR fallacy Gizmo. Hopefully i was not mistaken for HAR advocate. ;D
If you liked that one, you are going to love this one. I'll suggest that the randomized bet selection process for Pattern Breaker is a useless form of belief also. But I found something useful in all this anyway. I'm always looking for win streaks that I can attack. Now if it's possible to get the same long streaks of winners from continuous play as you get from PB then there might be a method for attacking using the three step Marti used as a form of a flat bet.
The trick being, that you avoid clusters of shorter streaks than 7 or less. While I programmed this I put telemetry in each process so that confirmation of each process was producing perfect results. If you look at all that data you can see lots of points that are both advantageous or very bad to be using a progression. I'm going to look at the flow of conditions
Quote from: Gizmotron on Nov 18, 09:08 AM 2012
If you liked that one, you are going to love this one. I'll suggest that the randomized bet selection process for Pattern Breaker is a useless form of belief also. But I found something useful in all this anyway. I'm always looking for win streaks that I can attack. Now if it's possible to get the same long streaks of winners from continuous play as you get from PB then there might be a method for attacking using the three step Marti used as a form of a flat bet.
The trick being, that you avoid clusters of shorter streaks than 7 or less. While I programmed this I put telemetry in each process so that confirmation of each process was producing perfect results. If you look at all that data you can see lots of points that are both advantageous or very bad to be using a progression. I'm going to look at the flow of conditions
So how would you go about avoiding these clusters?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 09:27 AM 2012
So how would you go about avoiding these clusters?
Now that I'm openly telling my experience and closely held secrets, I'll tell you.
I've called it the global effect. You wait till you see clusters of win streaks. Sometimes they flow in packs. Sometimes they flow mixed and chaotic. But this is very important. Packs of flowing short streaks cluster together too. You avoid the clustering short streaks. So only bet when the global effect favors long win streaks.
Now imagine this. You quit right in the middle of a win streak because you only play hit & run, at five sessions per day.
Quote from: Turner on Nov 18, 06:03 AM 2012
Something came to me and it ironic to say the least. Most people are familiar with Monty Python. For a long time now JL has reminded me of the Black Knight in one of their films. Even though he is defeated and is there with no arms or legs, just a head on a body, he continues to brag and boast how he is going to win.
what's the name of that film again?.....ang on, its come to me now........THE HOLY GRAIL...
Yes...I agree...and every attack or perceived attack against the method is simply "a flesh wound"
Please disregard the severed artery shooting blood halfway across the room
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Nov 18, 10:31 AM 2012
Yes...I agree...and every attack or perceived attack against the method is simply "a flesh wound"
Please disregard the severed artery shooting blood halfway across the room
But, the name of the film Roulette key....THE HOLY GRAIL. Ironic....
Turner...The point was not lost on me I just couldn't help myself by forcing the segueway because that is my favorite scene of the whole film. It's all good ;)
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 08:51 AM 2012
Nice spin on HAR fallacy Gizmo. Hopefully i was not mistaken for HAR advocate. ;D
Not saying I am an advocate of hit and run...but what is the opposite of hit and run?? stay and lose??
Quote from: kevint3 on Nov 18, 12:19 PM 2012
Not saying I am an advocate of hit and run...but what is the opposite of hit and run?? stay and lose??
now u r an advocate for HAR, Kevin. :) What u said now so well...That's a very good point i was trying to explain, but in vain.
People which hate hit-n-run for some reasons, usually will have some ready answers to draw everybody attention (including their own) from the very essentials which u expressed very well right now.
I guess I am an advocate of it.
Let me grasp the people that are against its point of view...
I spin one or 2 times and by luck I am up say 100 units...now the people who are against hit and run
are saying I should continue playing on???
Maybe I will go up another 100 units??? I think that is a fallacy.
Lets set something straight...anytime you are up...f.ucken run
that's what most of system pro players say. But our "pros" say u can't win like that. I washed my hands on it
:)
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 18, 08:01 AM 2012
Still
From what i see here your main contributions here so far are charting of the progress of JL challenge and constantly getting on my case. I suggest that you learn how to interpret some basic stats like Gizmo's here first. And for tests i use RX,Random.org,some actuals from here and my own data.
Regards
No need to be condescending about my ability to interpret data. I can make mistakes. I fix them. What i'd like to see is you contributing data like Gizmo has done here. If the only thing you did was shoot down every system that was ever proposed here, that would be a contribution, as long as it was backed by data. RX, Random.org and actuals are fine. Let's see what they can prove. How else would we know when someone is embellishing data?
As for contributions, i stay out of the way of people who are actually contributing and only need to know WHAT is the exact method proposed so anybody can know HOW to obtain the data necessary. Yes, i'm big on charts because they can often tell more than a list of numbers. That's a contribution of mine. Had Gizmo posted his results in chart form, there would be no mistaking the data. And i do consider getting on your case a big contribution. If it wasn't for me, you would still probably be posting in that ridiculously abbreviated code language used to communicate with your girlfriends over the phone. If you actually have anything worthwhile to say, i think the group can thank me for making it easier to understand. I hope you can improve your game in these other areas i'm mentioning as well.
Regards.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 18, 03:54 PM 2012
that's what most of system pro players say. But our "pros" say You can't win like that. I washed my hands on it
:)
Yeah i don't get it... I will admit I have not looked to deeply into this forum but what I have seen are the "pros" saying you can't play hit and run...yet they offer no other way/solution how to play...
Again..if I am up on the first 10 spins..you bet your a.s.s I am running...unless playing with pennies like the "pros" do.
Kevin, why, they ARE giving a solution :)
bet against deviation with progression. Other words if u see red hitting certain number of times within certain number of spins -- bet black.
Then they label hit-n-run as fallacy.
Though classical gambler's fallacy is exactly what they propose :))))
Quote from: kevint3 on Nov 18, 04:58 PM 2012
Yeah i don't get it... I will admit I have not looked to deeply into this forum but what I have seen are the "pros" saying you can't play hit and run...yet they offer no other way/solution how to play...
Again..if I am up on the first 10 spins..you bet your a.s.s I am running...unless playing with pennies like the "pros" do.
How do you know that "pros" play with pennies? And what solution would you like to get here? HAR discussion originated with JL approach. According to him each of his methods played HAR produced Better results. If you up after the first 10 spins and you quit thats not an essence of HAR.
Look deeper into this forum to better understand what you really argue with. ;D
Quote from: Still on Nov 18, 04:47 PM 2012
No need to be condescending about my ability to interpret data. I can make mistakes. I fix them. What i'd like to see is you contributing data like Gizmo has done here. If the only thing you did was shoot down every system that was ever proposed here, that would be a contribution, as long as it was backed by data. RX, Random.org and actuals are fine. Let's see what they can prove. How else would we know when someone is embellishing data?
As for contributions, i stay out of the way of people who are actually contributing and only need to know WHAT is the exact method proposed so anybody can know HOW to obtain the data necessary. Yes, i'm big on charts because they can often tell more than a list of numbers. That's a contribution of mine. Had Gizmo posted his results in chart form, there would be no mistaking the data. And i do consider getting on your case a big contribution. If it wasn't for me, you would still probably be posting in that ridiculously abbreviated code language used to communicate with your girlfriends over the phone. If you actually have anything worthwhile to say, i think the group can thank me for making it easier to understand. I hope you can improve your game in these other areas i'm mentioning as well.
Regards.
Still
Just read my posts where i questioned JL stats and posted some statistical data to back up my claims. If you have a problem with a verification ask somebody who you consider an authority on this subject.
Regards
Quote from: kevint3 on Nov 18, 03:26 PM 2012
I guess I am an advocate of it.
Let me grasp the people that are against its point of view...
I spin one or 2 times and by luck I am up say 100 units...now the people who are against hit and run
are saying I should continue playing on???
Maybe I will go up another 100 units??? I think that is a fallacy.
Lets set something straight...anytime you are up...f.ucken run
I totally agree, if you have a sessions such as you described, and you are happy with the profit you have gained, why play on and risk losing it all? If someone told me they was up 100 units after a few spins (I'm amusing we are talking about inside numbers here), then they played on and end up with lets say a -100 unit or more loss, I may not say it to their face but I will be thinking "serves you right, for being too greedy"
When I first started out I was one of those Greedy players, that had a good profit, but played on and ended up losing that profit and a lot more.
Now when I play I always know my stop-loss and ideal stop-win.
Dose this style of play make me a Hit & Run player?
I don't know and quite frankly I don't care, it works for me and that at the end of the day is all that counts.
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 18, 05:12 PM 2012
Kevin, why, they ARE giving a solution :)
bet against deviation with progression. Other words if u see red hitting certain number of times within certain number of spins -- bet black.
Then they label hit-n-run as fallacy.
Though classical gambler's fallacy is exactly what they propose :) )))
iggiv,
That's a misrepresentation of strategies that members such as Ego, Albertojonas and others (including me) recommend. For one thing, we don't advise that you start when you see a deviation, only when you see a "correction"
after a deviation. It's not like betting black with a martingale after you see 10 reds in a row, and you don't continue to pile losses on losses while there is no signal for correction, so something like one deviation followed by another won't hurt you. The concept isn't gambler's fallacy, it's regression to the mean.
Not only that, but "quitting when ahead" isn't the same as the HAR that JL recommends, as Rob pointed out.
And I don't hate HAR, I just know that it doesn't work. :)
Bayes, it was NOT ABOUT YOU, EGO OR AJ.
there was something else some other people have said.
I know that u guys are talking serious stuff
hey JL, not sure if youre still posting on here or not, but ive been using your 'PATTERN 4' method for about a month now. I use it exactly like u explained it originally & its been working great for me, with the exeption that i play over 100 a day sometimes, ive played a little over 1200 games altogether & my overall strikerate is 14/1. I use 4 different level progressions to recover losses so i always stay ahead & it hasnt failed me yet. I still cant believe it but it seems to be the freakin holy grail of roulette lol. just wondering if u are still using PATTERN 4 how u created it originally & if u ever started making some real $ in the casinos. I just returned from atlantic city & did really well betting small & im making a trip to vegas first of year intending to really
make some big profit. Just would be curious to hear how ur playing the game these days & how its going.
& btw thanks for the great method! lol
Jay
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 19, 12:36 AM 2012
How do you know that "pros" play with pennies? And what solution would you like to get here? HAR discussion originated with JL approach. According to him each of his methods played HAR produced Better results. If you up after the first 10 spins and you quit that's not an essence of HAR.
Look deeper into this forum to better understand what you really argue with. ;D
for me hit-n-run are the shortest sessions possible, exactly after u up certain amount u quit, or when u lost a certain amount u quit too, then u skip certain amount of spins before u come back to the same wheel.
that's what hit-n-run is for me. I don't know what u "anti-HAR" guys mean and basically i am not very interested in all those tricky definitions and long exausting arguments.
HAR is a style of most pro "system" players out there. Period. So far no holy grail has ever been found, so HAR is basically reflection of understanding that roulette is always a negative expectaction game. So what Kevin said about it is about HAR too.
when u say that HAR is fallacy it is like saying that there are certain methods methods which will bring u unlimited winnings on long runs. There are methods like this (AP), but not with mechanical systems.
Quote from: fatesburden1 on Nov 19, 08:11 PM 2012
hey JL, not sure if youre still posting on here or not, but I've been using your 'PATTERN 4' method for about a month now. I use it exactly like u explained it originally & its been working great for me, with the exception that i play over 100 a day sometimes, I've played a little over 1200 games altogether & my overall strikerate is 14/1. I use 4 different level progressions to recover losses so i always stay ahead & it hasn't failed me yet. I still can't believe it but it seems to be the freakin holy grail of roulette LoL. just wondering if You are still using PATTERN 4 how u created it originally & if u ever started making some real $ in the casinos. I just returned from atlantic city & did really well betting small & I'm making a trip to vegas first of year intending to really
make some big profit. Just would be curious to hear how your playing the game these days & how its going.
& by the way thanks for the great method! LoL
Jay
I think that if you have been using John method that you know how he has been doing. And you don't play Pattern 4 the way he advised ;D
Jay your post just feels like a postmortem tribute here.
Quote from: fatesburden1 on Nov 19, 08:11 PM 2012
hey JL, not sure if youre still posting on here or not, but I've been using your 'PATTERN 4' method for about a month now. I use it exactly like u explained it originally & its been working great for me, with the exception that i play over 100 a day sometimes, I've played a little over 1200 games altogether & my overall strikerate is 14/1. I use 4 different level progressions to recover losses so i always stay ahead & it hasn't failed me yet. I still can't believe it but it seems to be the freakin holy grail of roulette LoL. just wondering if You are still using PATTERN 4 how u created it originally & if u ever started making some real $ in the casinos. I just returned from atlantic city & did really well betting small & I'm making a trip to vegas first of year intending to really
make some big profit. Just would be curious to hear how your playing the game these days & how its going.
& by the way thanks for the great method! LoL
Jay
J..... I mean Jay
That got approved quick
Quote from: Turner on Nov 20, 03:58 AM 2012
J..... I mean Jay
That got approved quick
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:o do you really think so? :wink:
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Nov 20, 04:02 AM 2012
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:o do you really think so? :wink:
vundarosa
or some acolyte to the Church of Legend
Church of Legend
That's pretty good!! I guess I'm in that church, but on the back pew sorta slinked down where no one will notice me.
Samster
@ fatesburden1 I use 4 different level progressions to recover losses so i always stay ahead & it hasn't failed me yet.
Can you give us some information about this 4 different level progressions?
ludo8400
my progressions are...
Level 1 - 10,20,40
Level 2 - 30,60,120
Level 3 - 120, 240, 480
Level 4 - 250,500,1000.
but like i said, ive only played about 1200 & for small profit. what ab you guys?? would be curious to hear how you guys are playing roulette & how youre doing??
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 19, 12:53 AM 2012
Still
Just read my posts where i questioned JL stats and posted some statistical data to back up my claims. If you have a problem with a verification ask somebody who you consider an authority on this subject.
Regards
I would consider you to be an authority on what you've posted. So, show me where you have posted anything like Gizmo has posted in regards to anything JL has proposed.
Regards.
Quote from: Still on Nov 20, 01:15 PM 2012
I would consider you to be an authority on what you've posted. So, show me where you have posted anything like Gizmo has posted in regards to anything JL has proposed.
Regards.
Still
There is no point. John posted lots of stats that support his methods. If you believe them and that HAR makes sense all his methods seem to be winners. So just go ahead and play them instead of engaging in pointless debates. And I'm an authority for you now? ;D This is leading nowhere.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 21, 01:31 AM 2012
Still
There is no point. John posted lots of stats that support his methods. If you believe them and that HAR makes sense all his methods seem to be winners. So just go ahead and play them instead of engaging in pointless debates. And I'm an authority for you now? ;D This is leading nowhere.
Regards
I just figured you'd know which of your posts contain Gizmo-like data...where to find those posts...that shoot down JL's systems and suggest that his data is embellished. I don't believe in HAR either, and if his systems don't work without it, i would not play them. Neither would i test them with hard cash till i had un-embellished data to back up what i intend to do: win.
I don't want to reinvent the wheel, if there is data out there. Otherwise, i will eventually run my own tests but loath actually learning the details of each system. You seem to have a grasp on the details, and said you had some stats so i'd like to know where those stats are.
As for authority, i don't regard your analysis as infallible. Do you?
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 19, 12:32 PM 2012
iggiv,
That's a misrepresentation of strategies that members such as Ego, Albertojonas and others (including me) recommend. For one thing, we don't advise that you start when you see a deviation, only when you see a "correction" after a deviation. It's not like betting black with a martingale after you see 10 reds in a row, and you don't continue to pile losses on losses while there is no signal for correction, so something like one deviation followed by another won't hurt you. The concept isn't gambler's fallacy, it's regression to the mean.
Not only that, but "quitting when ahead" isn't the same as the HAR that JL recommends, as Rob pointed out.
And I don't hate HAR, I just know that it doesn't work. :)
So far It is the only way i found profitable for playing the game. That is all. You will not get rich overnight, but with certain amount of dedication you can make some to support your gambling, have fun and enjoyment doing that. Having said that, i recognize it takes time to study maths and roulette and have an open mind applying the concepts to the game of randomness.
It would be interesting to disclosure more info to the general forum audience on this, but it is not my intention to start a "new church", and also the information already presented is not fully interpreted and understood.
Cheers,
AL
@john Legend
PATTERN BREAKER 16
Who do the test and bring the results. Tracker in excel.
16 groupes to attack.
Long waiting, but good results.
:thumbsup:
ludo8400
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 21, 05:59 AM 2012
So far It is the only way i found profitable for playing the game. That is all. You will not get rich overnight, but with certain amount of dedication you can make some to support your gambling, have fun and enjoyment doing that. Having said that, i recognize it takes time to study maths and roulette and have an open mind applying the concepts to the game of randomness.
It would be interesting to disclosure more info to the general forum audience on this, but it is not my intention to start a "new church", and also the information already presented is not fully interpreted and understood.
Cheers,
AL
Classical gambler fallacy never mentions TRENDS. That's a big difference.
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy)
Now when u talk about deviation CHANGING, that's a different story. That's kind of trend, that's already betting on HOT. or on cold which already awakened.
that's a thing recommended for example by Lee Tutor. This is NOT A CLASSICAL GAMBLER FALLACY.
Quote from: ludo8400 on Nov 21, 10:46 AM 2012
@john Legend
PATTERN BREAKER 16
Who do the test and bring the results. Tracker in excel.
16 groupes to attack.
Long waiting, but good results.
:thumbsup:
ludo8400
Tracker looks familiar :wink:
How long does it take for a trigger ?
@ peauke
MIN. 60 spins
ludo8400
ludo
hello
you play 1,2,4,8
wich progression when you loose?
to recup 15 unit?
what result you have with this pattern breaker ?
another looser...
[reveal]
system "pattern breaker"
{
}
method "main"
begin
While Starting a New Session
begin
//Add initialize logic here
//when a new session is started
put 50 record "progl" data
end
While on Each Spin
begin
add 1 record "count" data
track last low-high for 1 spin record "lastl" layout
copy record "lastl" layout record "pattl" layout
add 1 record "pattl" layout index
if any low-high bet lost each begin
multiply 2 record "progl" data
if record "progl" data > 200 begin put 50 record "progl" data end
end
if any low-high bet won each or record "p" data = 3 begin
put 50 record "progl" data
clear record "p" data
clear record "counterl" data
clear record "countl1" data
clear record "countl2" data
clear record "countl3" data
clear record "countl4" data
clear record "countl5" data
clear record "countl6" data
clear record "countl7" data
clear record "countl8" data
end
if List [low, low, high] has a pattern match to Record "pattl" layout
begin
if record "countl1" data = 0 begin
add 1 record "countl1" data add 1 record "counterl" data end
end
If List [low, high, high] has a pattern match to Record "pattl" layout
begin
if record "countl2" data = 0 begin
add 1 record "countl2" data add 1 record "counterl" data end
end
If List [high, low, low] has a pattern match to Record "pattl" layout
begin
if record "countl3" data = 0 begin
add 1 record "countl3" data add 1 record "counterl" data end
end
If List [high, high,low] has a pattern match to Record "pattl" layout
begin
if record "countl4" data = 0 begin
add 1 record "countl4" data add 1 record "counterl" data end
end
if List [low, low, low] has a pattern match to Record "pattl" layout
begin
if record "countl5" data = 0 begin
add 1 record "countl5" data add 1 record "counterl" data end
end
If List [high, high, high] has a pattern match to Record "pattl" layout
begin
if record "countl6" data = 0 begin
add 1 record "countl6" data add 1 record "counterl" data end
end
If List [high, low, high] has a pattern match to Record "pattl" layout
begin
if record "countl7" data = 0 begin
add 1 record "countl7" data add 1 record "counterl" data end
end
If List [low, high,low] has a pattern match to Record "pattl" layout
begin
if record "countl8" data = 0 begin
add 1 record "countl8" data add 1 record "counterl" data end
end
if record "count" data = 3 begin clear record "pattl" layout clear record "count" data end
if record "counterl" data =7 begin
add 1 record "p" data
if record "countl1" data =0 begin
if record "p" data = 1 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
if record "p" data = 2 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
if record "p" data = 3 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
end
if record "countl2" data =0 begin
if record "p" data = 1 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
if record "p" data = 2 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
if record "p" data = 3 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
end
if record "countl3" data =0 begin
if record "p" data = 1 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
if record "p" data = 2 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
if record "p" data = 3 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
end
if record "countl4" data =0 begin
if record "p" data = 1 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
if record "p" data = 2 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
if record "p" data = 3 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
end
if record "countl5" data =0 begin
if record "p" data = 1 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
if record "p" data = 2 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
if record "p" data = 3 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
end
if record "countl6" data =0 begin
if record "p" data = 1 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
if record "p" data = 2 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
if record "p" data = 3 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
end
if record "countl7" data =0 begin
if record "p" data = 1 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
if record "p" data = 2 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
if record "p" data = 3 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
end
if record "countl8" data =0 begin
if record "p" data = 1 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
if record "p" data = 2 begin put 100% record "progl" data low end
if record "p" data = 3 begin put 100% record "progl" data high end
end
end
end
end
[/reveal]
If we mean a method is a loser, because it can lose, not a 100% winner then all methods are losers. It must be such rules in a game like roulette, otherwise there will be no game just free money until all casinos are broke. We can try forever, we can like or dislike any method, but never make a 100% winning in such a game with negative expected return. A winning at the game needs luck, or at least not bad luck.
Quote from: peauke on Nov 22, 02:48 AM 2012
Tracker looks familiar :wink:
How long does it take for a trigger ?
This long..Stratovarius - 4000 Rainy Nights (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=wP6n1kvFENQ#) :ooh:
Regards Timo
Quote from: Ralph on Mar 21, 01:08 AM 2013
If we mean a method is a loser, because it can lose, not a 100% winner then all methods are losers. It must be such rules in a game like roulette, otherwise there will be no game just free money until all casinos are broke. We can try forever, we can like or dislike any method, but never make a 100% winning in such a game with negative expected return. A winning at the game needs luck, or at least not bad luck.
Thanks Ralph. This should be a sticky note that every system starts with.
We all know it. We just need to be reminded of it on a regular basis.
GLC
waiting say 12 spins before making an even chance bet is just nuts , it don't make even a tiny difference towards getting a winning bet.
The ledgend matrix bets are pure nonsense.
Quote from: Kingspin on Mar 22, 02:58 PM 2013
waiting say 12 spins before making an even chance bet is just nuts , it don't make even a tiny difference towards getting a winning bet.
The ledgend matrix bets are pure nonsense.
Nuts but fun, and you stay longer if you not bet. ;D
Quote from: Kingspin on Mar 22, 02:58 PM 2013
waiting say 12 spins before making an even chance bet is just nuts , it don't make even a tiny difference towards getting a winning bet.
The ledgend matrix bets are pure nonsense.
You think thats nuts...go read ***FIVE*** and ***8 on 1***....thats nuts.
Good luck to any system player , while your playing just tell the ball not to land in unbetted pockets and your system will do pretty good. You see the only problem we have to make a system win all of the time is the annoying fact that the ball does not have ears and obeys no one. Roulette is dangerous . The game can play all sorts of tricks with your mind. Good for good mental health ?
nope many good people have been ruined by the game. Me too in a way . :twisted: Just look at that mad grin :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
need more proof! :love: L :love: :love: K I HAVE A C O0 O0 L HAIR CUT... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D >:( >:( >:( >:( :D :D :twisted:
Quote from: Kingspin on Mar 22, 09:11 PM 2013
Good luck to any system player , while your playing just tell the ball not to land in unbetted pockets and your system will do pretty good. You see the only problem we have to make a system win all of the time is the annoying fact that the ball does not have ears and obeys no one. Roulette is dangerous . The game can play all sorts of tricks with your mind. Good for good mental health ?
nope many good people have been ruined by the game. Me too in a way . :twisted: Just look at that mad grin :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
need more proof! :love: L :love: :love: K I HAVE A C O0 O0 L HAIR CUT... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D >:( >:( >:( >:( :D :D :twisted:
Kingspin, you're losing it. You might need to take another break. Although I appreciate your posts, most of them anyway. :-\ :o :P
By the way, can someone explain what the smiley face titled "tongue" is supposed to communicate?
GLC
@GLC
I think the 'Tongue' was the forerunner to my Little girl sticking her tongue out in a raspberry way.
U must have stuck Ur tongue out to someone in Ur life which meant either U disapproved with what they said, or in a cheeky way to get someones attention?
:girl_to:
Quote from: Chrisbis on Mar 24, 04:28 PM 2013
@GLC
I think the 'Tongue' was the forerunner to my Little girl sticking her tongue out in a raspberry way.
U must have stuck your tongue out to someone in your life which meant either U disapproved with what they said, or in a cheeky way to get someones attention?
:girl_to:
And there are others who over do it a bit
Hi ludo!
I like the long wait and see and not a problem at stake before the bunch. The question is, for example, that when the first search result PIIP stop, start or re-start laying the bet? Because the top of the line is still visible in the PIIP.
P 1-unit loss
I 2 unit loss
I 4 units win
Then again 1 unit P??
or
P 1 unit loss
I 2 unit win and
I 1 unit or from the front P 1 unit?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 05:46 PM 2011
**PATTERN BREAKER**
How it came to be. People have been trying to design systems to overcome house edge, beat a game with no memory and defy mathematicians since this game came to be.
WHILE 1000S of systems need random to deliver something within a certain number of spins to succeed. PATTERN BREAKER asks RANDOM to do something its not very good at people. DELIVER THE LAST PATTERN OF A THREE SPIN HI LO COMBINATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER ITS DELIVERED THE SECOND TO LAST.
THE RULES...
1, You write the 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin Hi lo pattern down like this
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
2, You now proceed to record spins for hi lo in rows of three. Every three spins will produce one of those 8 possible patterns, a repeat of one or a pattern with a zero. An average game takes 50-60 spins to complete. To speed turnover you can backtrack twenty spins for a max of THREE TIMES A SESSION.
3, You cross off each of the 8 possible patterns as they are produced and write a number next to them. EVENTUALLY, there will be ONE PATTERN LEFT.
4, You IMMEDIATELY bet against that pattern using a three step progression 2,4,8=14pts risk.
5,If a zero hits while recording patterns, example
H0L You record it under your 8 non zero patterns. If a zero hits during betting you accept it as a losing spin and complete the progression. OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1
6, The method requires 7 wins to match a losing progression. ITS POWER, is the ability to create winning streaks that average 40 in a row. I have 3 100plus streaks in my records. I've never lost twice in a row.
7, TO BE PLAYED LIVE OR AIRBALL not RNG. I will give money management examples if the interest is there. It ought to be, I turned 14 units into 680 in a month. If you hit a power streak you can go nuclear in profits. Then BANK and start again. So there it is PATTERN BREAKER...
This is the great one. The only thing i dont agree with. Was using H L. Ive found it more effective on RED and BLACK.
But its one hell of a system..with only 7 units exposed. And 25 plus streaks possible. Its one of the best ever for sure.
Hi Sentinel3
Used to do something similar that produced some long streaks of wins....
Alternated results between H/L and O/E - six results per line.
Simply - whenever the first 3 results repeated I betted against the repeat of the next 3 on that same line happening.
(Always using the LATEST PREVIOUS result to have contained the matching 3)
1-2-4 = 7u
H O H E L O
L E L O L O
H O L O L E
H E H O L O
L O H O H O
L O L E L E
L E H O H O
H E L O H O
H O H O L O W1 (bet against ELO)
H E L E H E W1 (bet against OHO)
L O H O L O L1;W2
H E L O L E W1
H O L O H O L1;W2
L O L O H E W1
H O L E L O W1
H E H O H O L1;W2
L O H E H E W1
H O L O H E W1
L E L O H E L1;W2
L O H E L E L1;W2
H E H O L O L1;W2
L O H O H E W1
H O H O L E L1;L2;W4
L E H E H O W1
H E L O H O L1;W2
H O L E L O W1
Streak of 18 = +18u
A.
Can also use a 1-1-2 prog (4u risk); relying on profit coming from 1st bet wins only!
2nd and 3rd bet wins = level for that round.
Game just now...
HOH HEL
HOH LOH
HOH LEH L1;W1
LEL LEH
LOL HEH
LEL HEH W1
LEL LEH W1
HOL LEH
HEL LOH
LEL HEL W1
HEL LOL L1;L1;W2
HEL HOH W1
+4
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 26, 09:45 AM 2017
Hi Sentinel3
Used to do something similar that produced some long streaks of wins....
Alternated results between H/L and O/E - six results per line.
Simply - whenever the first 3 results repeated I betted against the repeat of the next 3 on that same line happening.
(Always using the LATEST PREVIOUS result to have contained the matching 3)
1-2-4 = 7u
H O H E L O
L E L O L O
H O L O L E
H E H O L O
L O H O H O
L O L E L E
L E H O H O
H E L O H O
H O H O L O W1 (bet against ELO)
H E L E H E W1 (bet against OHO)
L O H O L O L1;W2
H E L O L E W1
H O L O H O L1;W2
L O L O H E W1
H O L E L O W1
H E H O H O L1;W2
L O H E H E W1
H O L O H E W1
L E L O H E L1;W2
L O H E L E L1;W2
H E H O L O L1;W2
L O H O H E W1
H O H O L E L1;L2;W4
L E H E H O W1
H E L O H O L1;W2
H O L E L O W1
Streak of 18 = +18u
A.
Hello Atlantis, this looks interesting. But I wont entertain any other systems until PB has made me 500 units profit. But I do like the look of this.
I will consider this and code 4 once ive got a strong fighting fund. PB has been very good so far. After this morning im on a 30 days win streak for the first bet of the day. I really like this system.
hi my fellow roulette players. ''pattern breaker'' looked to me a promising betting strategy but now i can say it's a bust for me cuz all it's variations have failed big time for me. but 1 thing i noticed while playing is that it seems to me it's better to play for each individual line itself.
take your 1st 3 spins for example
H L L, now bet For it to become the same outcome like LLH, you win at the second try
ex.
HLL
LLH--------win on second try but note the 3rd also for the second round
LHH-------win on the 1st try of previous one
do this 3 times and move on to a new table or come back later.
could be nothing but i would appriciate it if someone with many live spins could check on to this if it works
In my opinion, it is better to play only LOL
Quote from: plolp on Dec 26, 03:42 PM 2017
In my opinion, it is better to play only LOL
Why? Have your tests shown a greater rate of success betting for or against Low Odd Low?
Can you please elaborate?
Or are you just being sarcastic by saying "LOL?"
Because if you lose, it's still funny .
Taking all the EC, We can play this :
HELLO BOB BELLE ROBE BORDEL LOL
Quote from: plolp on Dec 26, 04:29 PM 2017
Taking all the EC, We can play this :
HELLO BOB BELLE ROBE LOL
I was wrong there is no "D"
Quote from: Belgiangambler on Dec 26, 03:42 PM 2017
hi my fellow roulette players. ''pattern breaker'' looked to me a promising betting strategy but now i can say it's a bust for me cuz all it's variations have failed big time for me. but 1 thing i noticed while playing is that it seems to me it's better to play for each individual line itself.
take your 1st 3 spins for example
H L L, now bet For it to become the same outcome like LLH, you win at the second try
ex.
HLL
LLH--------win on second try but note the 3rd also for the second round
LHH-------win on the 1st try of previous one
do this 3 times and move on to a new table or come back later.
could be nothing but i would appriciate it if someone with many live spins could check on to this if it works
The original pattern breaker is great. The way I play it. 5 to 10 games a day using only RB. Its working. Even without raising the standard. 1-2-4 progression.
Since September I have played 420 games. And have the following results.
TOTAL GAMES=420
TOTAL WON=388
TOTAL LOST=32
Longest winning streak 25 games.
Longest first game of the day streak 36 days. Current first game of the day streak 31 days.
And for me its that first game of the day that holds the power and value of this system. Its SOLID. So I bet more on that first game than the later games I play.
Also Ive lost 32 times in 420 games. But never twice in a row. Thats another power point that cannot be ignored.
Taking advantage of these power points. And good money management. Will secure a good future. With this system. I like it alot.
@sentinel3: JohnLegend is that you?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Dec 27, 04:51 PM 2017
The original pattern breaker is great. The way I play it. 5 to 10 games a day using only RB. Its working. Even without raising the standard. 1-2-4 progression.
Taking advantage of these power points. And good money management. Will secure a good future. With this system. I like it alot.
Keep up the good work. I have been playing Pattern Breaker (and its variants) on a hit and run basis with considerable success for the last couple of years.
The main problem with this method is that you CANNOT play it continuously at the roulette table.
You have to play it on a hit and run basis -- by that, I mean I play it for one or two games or series and then move onto some other method. Doing this, I have found that the losses are very few and very far between.
Another thing: I play the above only at airball wheels in various US casinos.
Obviously, this method is not suitable time-wise at dealer-spun wheels (the triggers take a very, very long time to appear) -- the wait time for the triggers at airball wheels is much shorter.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 28, 02:26 AM 2017
Keep up the good work. I have been playing Pattern Breaker (and its variants) on a hit and run basis with considerable success for the last couple of years.
The main problem with this method is that you CANNOT play it continuously at the roulette table.
You have to play it on a hit and run basis -- by that, I mean I play it for one or two games or series and then move onto some other method. Doing this, I have found that the losses are very few and very far between.
Hi Doctor Sudoku.
Thats exactly what ive found. Played continuously. It would break even at best. Played selectively. Things change. And long streaks start happening. Just won my 32nd straight first game of the day this morning. My longest streak is 36 days.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 28, 02:30 AM 2017
Another thing: I play the above only at airball wheels in various US casinos.
Obviously, this method is not suitable time-wise at dealer-spun wheels (the triggers take a very, very long time to appear) -- the wait time for the triggers at airball wheels is much shorter.
I play live online dealers. At Uk bookmakers. They spin twice a minute. And when I log in I write down the first 12 or so numbers. And often Ive got two or three of my 8 patterns straight off the bat.
sentinel3 and DoctorSudoku what kind of staking plan do you use with Pattern Breaker?
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Dec 28, 05:38 AM 2017
sentinel3 and DoctorSudoku what kind of staking plan do you use with Pattern Breaker?
Cheers
Hello Ego.
I bet 3-6-12 on my first game of the day. Then 1-2-4 thereafter. When I lose. I double up 2-4-8 for one game only. To speed recovery. Playing only 5 to 10 games a day. Ive not hit two lost games in a row yet. After 34 losses.
This is one great system. But you have to break up your play. And take advantage of its strengths. And the profit comes.
Hello sentinel3 - that is clever to have a higher base bet then lower your bet when you have such high strike ratio - i like it very much.
I would like to ask if you play 5 Euro minimum or 10 Euro minimum base bet?
Then i would also like to ask if you bet higher base bet if you doubble your bankroll?
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Dec 28, 05:38 AM 2017
sentinel3 and DoctorSudoku what kind of staking plan do you use with Pattern Breaker?
Cheers
Patrik,
I do NOT use the standard 1-2-4 progression.
I use 1-2-2 -- if I lose the first two bets, I stick to 2 units for the third bet (if I then win, I still end up with a 1 unit loss).
On those very rare occasions that I lose the entire game/series (i.e. all three bets), then for the next game/series, I still stick to 1-2-2.
I do NOT increase my betting amounts (this is a big deviation from the original recovery progressions that were suggested at the beginning of the thread).
Quote from: ego on Dec 28, 11:41 AM 2017
Hello sentinel3 - that is clever to have a higher base bet then lower your bet when you have such high strike ratio - i like it very much.
I would like to ask if you play 5 Euro minimum or 10 Euro minimum base bet?
Then i would also like to ask if you bet higher base bet if you doubble your bankroll?
Cheers
Hello again. I started very modestly just 1 euro as base bet in September. I was testing this on paper for a month. Liked how it was going. Then started for real money.
Now that I have won 218 euro. Or 31 times my starting risk of 7 euro. I have increased to a minumum of 2-4-8. And work around that. Everytime I double the bank. I will increase.
I hope to hit 5 euro as my base bet in the next few months.I Always respect the variance of the game. I know more losses could come. So I wont get too carried away. If I can get a 1000 euro bank by the middle of next year. I will be very happy. Then have bigger bets. So I only have to play 2 or 3 games a day. As I feel the less you play the better the streaks.
Nearly all losses come in games 4 to 10 if i play that many in a day. Thats something to think about.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 28, 01:44 PM 2017
Patrik,
I do NOT use the standard 1-2-4 progression.
I use 1-2-2 -- if I lose the first two bets, I stick to 2 units for the third bet (if I then win, I still end up with a 1 unit loss).
On those very rare occasions that I lose the entire game/series (i.e. all three bets), then for the next game/series, I still stick to 1-2-2.
I do NOT increase my betting amounts (this is a big deviation from the original recovery progressions that were suggested at the beginning of the thread).
One other thing: for every game/series, I change from R/B to O/E to H/L.
So for my first game/series, I may target the R/B.
Regardless of whether I win or lose, for the next game/series, I then target either the O/E or the H/L.
And, of course, I do NOT continuously play this method -- I may play
TWO games/series consecutively at most and then I switch to a completely different betting method.
sentinel3 & DoctorSudoku thanks for the input - as i understand the method strike many winnings - so there is a feel or taste for conservative or bold staking plan.
Cheers
sentinel3 & DoctorSudoku i have one more question ...
Now when i look at the score card i don't know if i am in the beginning of a cycle or in the middle or in the end of if or if i pass into a second cycle.
So taking the last outcomes from the scoreboard and betting the first missing pattern does not work, my opinion.
I been thinking that i chart and collect until i have a complete cycle with all pattern to show, then start a new cycle and play the missing pattern.
So my question is when to enter the game and when to exit - so feel free to explain how you do it ...
I will play this online and i will pick online casinos that show the past results on a scoreboard.
For example BetFair have a window with several roulette tables and next to each wheel is a scoreboard that gets updated for each new outcome.
So you don't need to enter the live game or live wheel and play or observe until you have a trigger and can play.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Dec 28, 03:13 PM 2017
sentinel3 & DoctorSudoku i have one more question ...
Now when i look at the score card i don't know if i am in the beginning of a cycle or in the middle or in the end of if or if i pass into a second cycle.
So taking the last outcomes from the scoreboard and betting the first missing pattern does not work, my opinion.
I been thinking that i chart and collect until i have a complete cycle with all pattern to show, then start a new cycle and play the missing pattern.
So my question is when to enter the game and when to exit - so feel free to explain how you do it ...
I will play this online and i will pick online casinos that show the past results on a scoreboard.
For example BetFair have a window with several roulette tables and next to each wheel is a scoreboard that gets updated for each new outcome.
So you don't need to enter the live game or live wheel and play or observe until you have a trigger and can play.
Cheers
Hello Ego
Lets say I log in to an online casino. And see these 12 numbers on the board.
12 33 11 22 20 1 9 19 2 6 27 29
RRR
RRBâ– 3
RBBâ– 1
RBR
BBB
BBRâ– 2
BRR
BRBâ– 4
Thats how I would mark them off in the order they came up. Then continue to record the spins until 7 of the 8 had formed. Leaving me with the 8th pattern. I then bet against that pattern forming straight after the 7th pattern. Using up to three steps 1 2 4.
I will either gain a win in one of those three steps. Or lose the game. Either way. The game finishes right there. I log off soon. And start a brand new game on another site later on.
Hi everyone,
I'd like to know if anyone knows where I can find a free bot.
I'll appreciate it.
sentinel3 and DoctorSudoku
I just want to show you both a way i been thinking to test.
sentinel3 you bet 3 6 12 once for the day then lower your bet size - that is regression and i love it
DoctorSudoku you know that 122 and 113 is the same amount of units and the last won win, break even and win again with out losing.
Now i been thinking about what sentinel3 wrote about strikes - over 30 in a row - then i think what would happen if he operated with casino money and use a positiv progression - you would hit the table limits :-)
Look at this example where i risk money during two attacks and after that operate with casino money.
First 5 10 20 and 3 6 12
After that you staking 113 and after winning one unit +1 you add it to the progression 123 and after winning once more +1 you add the winnings to the progression 124. After that you bet higher base bet and repeat the formula with 226 and after winning +2 units add them to the progression 246 and after that 248, you get the idea.
At left is the progression or staking plan - in the middle is the winnings growing larger and last you see what you keep as winnings if you lose.
The progressions name is Regression Up & Pull
5 10 20 +5
3 6 12 +8
1 1 3 +9 +4 Operate with casino money
1 2 3 +10 +4
1 2 4 +11 +4
2 2 6 +13 +3
2 4 6 +15 +3
2 4 8 +17 +3
3 3 9 +20 +5
3 6 9 +23 +5
3 6 12 +26 +5
4 4 12 +30 +10
4 8 12 +34 +10
4 8 16 +38 +10
5 5 15 +43 +18
5 10 15 +48 +18
5 10 20 +53 +18
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Dec 29, 05:00 AM 2017
sentinel3 and DoctorSudoku
I just want to show you both a way i been thinking to test.
sentinel3 you bet 3 6 12 once for the day then lower your bet size - that is regression and i love it
DoctorSudoku you know that 122 and 113 is the same amount of units and the last won win, break even and win again with out losing.
At left is the progression or staking plan - in the middle is the winnings growing larger and last you see what you keep as winnings if you lose.
The progressions name is Regression Up & Pull
Patrik,
Yes, I have several of John Patrick's books and so I am definitely familiar with his Regression Up and Pull idea.
I actually use his basic regression idea for some betting schemes that I use in baccarat and craps (two games that I feel more comfortable playing -- from a psychological perspective -- than roulette).
Yes, I will definitely give your above suggestions some thought in applying it to Pattern Breaker. Thanks for your suggestion !
DoctorSudoku thanks for sharing your experience - but i going to be honest that i feel not good staking 5 10 20 and 3 6 12 - to much money and hard to recover if you lose once.
But still i want to use Regression Up & Pull and try to rap my mind around different solutions.
Maybe 2 2 6 and then after one win add it to next level 2 4 6 and add next win to 2 4 8.
Then you risk 10 and profit +6 and could lower to 1 1 3 and operate with casino money.
2 2 6 +2
2 4 6 +4
2 4 8 +6
1 1 3 +7 +2
1 2 3 +8 +2
1 2 4 +9 +2
2 2 6 +11 +1
2 4 6 +12 +0
2 4 8 +14 +0
3 3 9 +17 +2
3 6 9 +20 +2
3 6 12 +23 +2
4 4 12 +27 +7
4 8 12 +31 +7
4 8 16 +35 +7
Quote from: ego on Dec 29, 11:13 AM 2017
DoctorSudoku thanks for sharing your experience - but i going to be honest that i feel not good staking 5 10 20 and 3 6 12 - to much money and hard to recover if you lose once.
But still i want to use Regression Up & Pull and try to rap my mind around different solutions.
Maybe 2 2 6 and then after one win add it to next level 2 4 6 and add next win to 2 4 8.
Then you risk 10 and profit +6 and could lower to 1 1 3 and operate with casino money.
2 2 6 +2
2 4 6 +4
2 4 8 +6
1 1 3 +7 +2
1 2 3 +8 +2
1 2 4 +9 +2
2 2 6 +11 +1
2 4 6 +12 +0
2 4 8 +14 +0
3 3 9 +17 +2
3 6 9 +20 +2
3 6 12 +23 +2
4 4 12 +27 +7
4 8 12 +31 +7
4 8 16 +35 +7
Hello Ego. The risk should be relative to your fighting funds. When i reach a level where my base bet is 5. My fighting fund will be 1000. Thats how you should look at it.
When I began playing Pattern breaker in September. I started carefully with just a bank of 200. If I had lost that bank. I would have let the system go.
But instead the bank has grown to 426 units as of today. So now I have the option to increase the base bet to 2 units. But I am going to wait a little longer. Until im over 450 units.
Then my lowest prog will be 2 4 8=14. Which is less than 1/32 of my fighting funds.
Tested it using red and black with live spins. First game busted! Maybe I was really unlucky. Maybe it is better to use high and low?
Quote from: boyd30 on Dec 29, 12:07 PM 2017
Tested it using red and black with live spins. First game busted! Maybe I was really unlucky. Maybe it is better to use high and low?
Did you actually wait for 7 of the 8 patterns to form?
And as soon as the 7th pattern showed up, did you immediately bet AGAINST the 8th pattern from appearing in the next three spins?
Quote from: ego on Dec 29, 11:13 AM 2017
DoctorSudoku thanks for sharing your experience - but i going to be honest that i feel not good staking 5 10 20 and 3 6 12 - to much money and hard to recover if you lose once.
But still i want to use Regression Up & Pull and try to rap my mind around different solutions.
Maybe 2 2 6 and then after one win add it to next level 2 4 6 and add next win to 2 4 8.
Then you risk 10 and profit +6 and could lower to 1 1 3 and operate with casino money.
Patrik and Sentinel,
Another alternate method to try is this.
For most games/series using this method, you will find that the wins come on the FIRST TWO bets. So another way of playing would be to just target the FIRST TWO bets with a 1 2 progression.
If you lose those two bets, do NOT bet the third spin -- in other words, just accept a 3 unit loss for that particular game/series.
And then wait for the trigger for playing the next game/series (preferably sticking with the 1 2 scheme).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 29, 02:24 PM 2017
Patrik and Sentinel,
Another alternate method to try is this.
For most games/series using this method, you will find that the wins come on the FIRST TWO bets. So another way of playing would be to just target the FIRST TWO bets with a 1 2 progression.
If you lose those two bets, do NOT bet the third spin -- in other words, just accept a 3 unit loss for that particular game/series.
And then wait for the trigger for playing the next game/series (preferably sticking with the 1 2 scheme).
That is true. 351 of my 396 wins have come in the first two spins. So this is a nice idea Doctor. I see what you are getting at here. The most costly bet is the third leg of the prog.
Im going to work out the margin of profit across my results. If we take away all losses and games that needed that third step. If its favourable. I may adopt this tweak. Thank you.
Also because the risk would be less than half. You could double or treble up the stakes to recover lost games. As if they never happened. Very good thinking on this.
DoctorSudoku & sentinel3 thanks for the tweak - i will stay with original - i will start playing this method tomorrow and report back to this topic about my experience - the only thing i have a hard time to decide is what kind of staking i should use ...
Cheers
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 29, 02:15 PM 2017
Did you actually wait for 7 of the 8 patterns to form?
And as soon as the 7th pattern showed up, did you immediately bet AGAINST the 8th pattern from appearing in the next three spins?
Yes, I did.
Quote from: ego on Dec 29, 03:27 PM 2017
DoctorSudoku & sentinel3 thanks for the tweak - i will stay with original - i will start playing this method tomorrow and report back to this topic about my experience - the only thing i have a hard time to decide is what kind of staking i should use ...
Cheers
Patrik,
It is good that you are testing it. But I want to reiterate that if you play this method continuously, you will end up losing.
I have gotten good results in the last couple of years by playing this method on a hit and run basis NON-CONTINUOUSLY.
So, for instance, I might play this method targeting R/B.
Then win or lose, I might play a series targeting the O/E.
That's it for the time being -- that is, I will shift to playing some other completely different method.
In other words, I will play this method at
the most for two consecutive series.I might come back to this method
after, say, one or two hours -- then maybe I will play a series going for the H/L.
I do NOT recommend playing this method continuously -- it loses like most other methods if you do that (at least that has been my experience so far).
I have gotten good results in the last couple of years by playing this method on a hit and run basis NON-CONTINUOSLY
what if you start over at another table or is that also considered as continuosly?
DoctorSudoku & sentinel3
I had something else in mind using this strategy and convert it into a new way playing Pattern Breaker
How to turn £75 into £5250 or $150 (for those across the ditch into over $10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?
YES, you do need a certain element of luck.
Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time.
You only need to be lucky for two hours. Yes TWO LOUSY HOURS from the onset, you may not make it all the way, but it won't cost you anything either.
While people do not see eye to eye regarding bet selection, really it is a defensive mechanism, they need to convince themselves more than anybody else. I
n essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.
Let's revisit a set of 4 column binary tables;
-BBBB
-PBBB
-BPBB
-PPBB
-BBPB
-PBPB
-BPPB
-PPPB
-BBBP
-PBBP
-BPBP
-PPBP
-BBPP
-PBPP
-BPPP
-PPPP
Note I have numbered all possible outcomes. Your aim using a 4 step martingale is to play 10 columns per day, less than ONE SHOE per day maximum and to avoid any 4 column loss.
For those that the progression Martingale leaves a bad taste, bear in mind, the total risk is the initial £75 or $150, if you can't afford to risk that amount, then read no further, or remind yourself of the 5 g's or 10k plus potential..
Your aim is to make 10 units per day (maybe 11 if you want to cater for the tax, or maybe you might choose to wear that small cost), not a dime more. Your aim is to repeat this for 7 days straight, remember, your exposure is minimum as you will not play more than 40 or 44 hands any one day. Any 4 column loss and you quit. You need to avoid any 4 column loss for the first TWO DAYS ONLY, >> less than one shoe per day <<
Should you lose 4 hands on the bounce on the third day, you will still be in profit. Should you manage to not lose for SEVEN days, on the second week, you double your unit size, should you lose when you double your unit size, you are still in profit. Again repeat the exercise for the next seven days.
NOTE* you can withstand two losses per week and still remain in profit, this excludes the first two days. Your odds of losing 4 bets in a row is less than 6%, which means your odds of winning a bet in any four bet sequence is just over 93%. Should you manage to avoid any 4 column loss during the second week, again you double your unit value from £10 or $20, should you lose on day 15, you are still in profit. You just lost £300 but made £700 the previous week, how you determine the stake level for tomorrow is up to you, either drop down or press on, you can withstand 2 losing days per week. If you have made it this far and only played 10 or 11 (due to tax) columns of 4 for the last 21 days and avoided defeat you double your betting amount for the final time.
NOTE* thus far this whole exercise has been SELF FUNDING. Should you manage to avoid losing 4 in a row for the final week, you have just turned your initial stake of £75 into £5250 for approx 28 hours of table play, or $150 into over $10000, that's about 4 days work.
Week 1 - goal target £50 daily, weekly goal £350 - risk £75
Week 2 - goal target £100 daily, weekly goal £700 - risk £150
Week 3 - goal target £200 daily, weekly goal £1400 - risk £300
Week 4 - goal target £400 daily, weekly goal £2800 - risk £600
Maximum Total profit should you avoid 4L within 28 hours is £5250 less tax or for US based players over ten thousand dollars for a $150 stake. Other than the initial stake, IT IS SELF FUNDING.
Now take a deserved break and start again from the bottom. Does what you are currently playing carry a risk? Well so does this, so in this respect things are equal. The risk is limited to £75 or $150, the rewards are greater than what you would ordinarily hope for given the amount of bankroll. If 100 players tried this, not all would be lucky, some would be. All that matters is surviving the first two days.
OK - the bet selection; It really doesn't matter, either mathematically or logically. If you believe in trending, then wait for one column of four and use the bet selection SAME. If you don't believe in trending maybe use the bet selection OPPOSITE. Random is probably the best. If you don't care either way, maybe choose any one of the above 16 options and stick with it. Mathematically each sequence is suppose to occur once every 60 hands, be aware it doesn't always work out like this.
Maybe put the numbers I have associated with the 4 column options into a hat to determine your bet selection, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps omit the numbers 6 and 11 as these are the most common options for any 4 hand sequence. Don't lose sight of the total risk £75 or $150 and the potential reward. Perhaps play each sequence in numerical order, that is bet option 1 followed by option 2 then option 3 etc. Logically it doesn't make any difference. Should you lose for example on your fourth column, then that is it for that day, come back tomorrow and restart. You need SEVEN clear days of 10 units profit before doubling your playing stake. The risk is carried for the first two days only, after that it is >> SELF FUNDING
You could increase the risk and odds of not losing, by using a 5 column approach. You now have a 96% chance of scoring a win, however you would need to adjust you daily win target to 20 units, and would be playing that a particular 5 hand sequence from 32 possible sequences doesn't hit you for 20 columns.. $150 into over 10 "large" for 4 days effort!!!!!
Should this approach fail inside of the first two day, you would need to win 15 times just to get back to even. Then win another 10 times to progress from first base. If you had a bankroll greater than £75 or $150 you might want to use the balance to construct recovery option for the first two days only. Say you lost 15 units before you make 10 units. You then use the rest of your bankroll to recoup then continue where you left off. Few ways to do this, either use another martingale on top (lots of risk), or double your playing stake and use a Labby to win say 8 units, or possibly a Fibonacci, again to win either 15 units or 8 units if you doubled your initial stake size.
Nothing stopping somebody from playing two sessions per day, then you might achieve your goal in two weeks. Give yourself a decent break in between sessions. Yes I have explored this and I have found associating a numeric value to each of the possible outcomes of a Binary chart, as outlined above playing them simply in order 1,2,3,4 etc. faired best [random versus random]. You are either going to win or lose, the initial stake is not that great. If you decided to play the options sequentially, option 1 is BBBB, you need to decide if you will bet the same as BBBB or the opposite of BBBB, which of course would be would be PPPP, It all works out the same, you're playing with of 15/1 odds no matter what.
Yes IT WILL lose eventually, will you be at the table when it does? Your nemesis has to catch you when you are playing, one of the reasons I state, play less than ONE SHOE per day. Hence the reason make 10 units then bail. It can even lose when you are at the table, however it is the first 2 days which are crucial, after that, so long as you don't get back to back losing days you will be OK, again hence the reason to limit your exposure. It really doesn't matter how you determine your bet selection. £5k or $10k for 28 hours graft, minimal risk "$150", cheaper than a few weeks worth of lottery tickets and better odds.
Don't try and fast track this, by betting every hand, I would suggest that if anybody used other modes of play, that involves betting every hand, it wouldn't work. Losing 4 bets in a row when betting every hand is a whole lot easier than losing 4 bets for any given predetermined column sequence of bets.
The aim is to TRY and turn 75 quid or 150 bucks into £5 bricks or $10 large for 28 hours at the tables. As I stated above, it doesn't really matter if you lose the 3rd day, 2nd stage, 3rd or even the 4th stage, you are STILL IN PROFIT. You need to be lucky for the first two days only, otherwise it is SELF FUNDING. Lose 4 bets in a row and you are done for the day, better for your composure. Survive for a month and restart. Want to decrease the odds of losing?, Increase the risk..
Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.
This is from a Baccarat player with the name John - i like the concept and would like to implement Regression Up & Pull and Pattern Breaker with the odds 1 in 8 ...
Cheers
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 28, 02:26 AM 2017
Keep up the good work. I have been playing Pattern Breaker (and its variants) on a hit and run basis with considerable success for the last couple of years.
The main problem with this method is that you CANNOT play it continuously at the roulette table.
You have to play it on a hit and run basis -- by that, I mean I play it for one or two games or series and then move onto some other method. Doing this, I have found that the losses are very few and very far between.
I played it years ago at my b&m casino when ego started a thread on betselection with bacarrat, it didn't work out well. I thought the same to go for 1-2 instead of 1-2-4, it still didn't work. I tried other variants like after 3repeat clusters bet opposite, it still didn't work and many other variants I've forgotten by now. I'm surprise you have good experience for several years playing the original. It must be due to my bad luck that I lose playing real money or perhaps it's not suited for bacarrat. :-\
Quote from: Belgiangambler on Dec 30, 10:30 AM 2017
I have gotten good results in the last couple of years by playing this method on a hit and run basis NON-CONTINUOSLY
what if you start over at another table or is that also considered as continuosly?
I play 5 to 10 games a day. I play my first game 4 to 6am in the morning. And my other games later in the day all online.
Right now that early game is 34 days no loss. I ONLY play red and black.
Heres what i feel. If I ever get to a level where I can make 30 to 50 euro from a single game. I will only play pattern breaker once a day. That early game is phenomenal.
Ive only lost it 4 times in 116 days. The less you play the better. Everybody is in a hurry to get rich
And most end up getting poorer instead. The wheel is a spiteful unforgiving beast.
The less you expose yourself to it the better. If I can make my money for the day from just ONE SPIN. Believe I will take it.
Too many people get into a war with the wheel. The longer you expose yourself to it. The more likely you will lose.
If I play 350 games of Pattern breaker a year. And win 330 of them at 50 euro a game. Believe me im taking that.
So most of you still think you can play all day long and win. Stop kidding yourself. Pattern breaker is a decent hit and run player.
One or two games a day. You will end up on top. Play too much youll be a loser like the other 98% of players.
92 pages of reading? Wow!!!
Quote from: cht on Dec 30, 02:11 PM 2017
I played it years ago at my b&m casino when ego started a thread on betselection with bacarrat, it didn't work out well. I thought the same to go for 1-2 instead of 1-2-4, it still didn't work. I tried other variants like after 3repeat clusters bet opposite, it still didn't work and many other variants I've forgotten by now. I'm surprise you have good experience for several years playing the original. It must be due to my bad luck that I lose playing real money or perhaps it's not suited for bacarrat. :-\
This is how I played continuously.
There are 6 locations at my b&m casino with 12-15 baccarat tables each. After playing 1 session at 1 location I move to the next nearby location for the next session and continue to the 6th location before I return to the 1st location if time permits in a 6-7 hours day.
At each location I track a few tables to play the 1st table that showed up for a bet.
I realised much later that the clusters of 3spins depends on when you start at the table. It will be different for everyone as we start from different spins.
I made an excel sheet to demonstrate what I mean and I've filled in the 1st 2 results. You can complete it and change to a new set of spins hitting the F9 key. Or you can paste your real spins onto Column A.
Happy new year everyone and happy and prosperous 2018.
Quote from: cht on Dec 30, 10:12 PM 2017
This is how I played continuously.
There are 6 locations at my b&m casino with 12-15 baccarat tables each. After playing 1 session at 1 location I move to the next nearby location for the next session and continue to the 6th location before I return to the 1st location if time permits in a 6-7 hours day.
At each location I track a few tables to play the 1st table that showed up for a bet.
I realised much later that the clusters of 3spins depends on when you start at the table. It will be different for everyone as we start from different spins.
I made an excel sheet to demonstrate what I mean and I've filled in the 1st 2 results. You can complete it and change to a new set of spins hitting the F9 key. Or you can paste your real spins onto Column A.
Happy new year everyone and happy and prosperous 2018.
Why are you playing Baccarat when JL created this system for roulette?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Dec 31, 01:44 AM 2017
Why are you playing Baccarat when JL created this system for roulette?
Good question JL.
The local casino has 6 sub-locations of 12-20 tables of baccarat and roulette tables each. I collect continuous data off the result board, for roulette 28spins(2hrs data) at 11/2 intervals covering all sub-locations for 12hrs daily. I stay at the resort paid off by comps and work with a team of regulars separated for roulette and baccarat.
I tested your original system both on roulette and baccarat based on the data collected. The backtest showed that baccarat was slightly better, mostly because of the zero.
A typical roulette spin takes between 3-5 mins whereas a typical baccarat hand takes between 2-2half mins.
The reasons why we chose baccarat.
I tested your system thoroughly with the hope to find there's a positive expectancy that I can make money from. I did not find it. I knew from the outset that I had to be lucky to not bet on the losing tables, only a few team members went ahead and together we lost a couple ten thousands.
Later, ego started a thread on the use of LW registry and we proceeded to play real money with his idea and again we lost another couple of ten thousands, giving a combined loss of close to $100k.
Yes we could have stayed with BR roulette but the data suggested not do proceed with that.
This was one of the real money playing experience with PB years ago that we learnt from and we have progressed from this since.
Quote from: cht on Dec 31, 03:33 AM 2017
Good question JL.
The local casino has 6 sub-locations of 12-20 tables of baccarat and roulette tables each. I collect continuous data off the result board, for roulette 28spins(2hrs data) at 11/2 intervals covering all sub-locations for 12hrs daily. I stay at the resort paid off by comps and work with a team of regulars separated for roulette and baccarat.
I tested your original system both on roulette and baccarat based on the data collected. The backtest showed that baccarat was slightly better, mostly because of the zero.
A typical roulette spin takes between 3-5 mins whereas a typical baccarat hand takes between 2-2half mins.
The reasons why we chose baccarat.
I tested your system thoroughly with the hope to find there's a positive expectancy that I can make money from. I did not find it. I knew from the outset that I had to be lucky to not bet on the losing tables, only a few team members went ahead and together we lost a couple ten thousands.
Later, ego started a thread on the use of LW registry and we proceeded to play real money with his idea and again we lost another couple of ten thousands, giving a combined loss of close to $100k.
Yes we could have stayed with BR roulette but the data suggested not do proceed with that.
This was one of the real money playing experience with PB years ago that we learnt from and we have progressed from this since.
I am not JL. But interesting explanation. But card games I do not trust.
Real casinos are very slow. I could not play this system there.I would have to play like Brett Morton advises. Looking to end patterns. Or following the wheel. Online they spin twice a minute. Thats how this works better.
Quote from: ego on Dec 30, 12:09 PM 2017
DoctorSudoku & sentinel3
I had something else in mind using this strategy and convert it into a new way playing Pattern Breaker
How to turn £75 into £5250 or $150 (for those across the ditch into over $10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?
YES, you do need a certain element of luck.
Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time.
In essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.
Let's revisit a set of 4 column binary tables;
-BBBB
-PBBB
-BPBB
-PPBB
-BBPB
-PBPB
-BPPB
-PPPB
-BBBP
-PBBP
-BPBP
-PPBP
-BBPP
-PBPP
-BPPP
-PPPP
Don't try and fast track this.
Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.
That's interesting idea ego.
Using roulette EC : H/L and E/O mix in lines of 6. Idea is play HIT AND RUN - maybe to win 4 times @0.5 = 2u
Use a six-step progression of:
0.5, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 = 31.5 units total at risk.
Record ONE line then commence betting and continue recording results.
Play the opposite EC of the result in the vertical line directly above...
STOP AT A WINNER on that line and continue recording until line complete.
Example real results:
H O H E L O - Record first line and then play opposite
L E L O L O W0.5@1st position
H O L O L E W0.5@1
H E H O L O W0.5@2
L O H O H O W0.5@1
L O L E L E W0.5@3
L E H O H O W0.5@2
H E L O H O W0.5@1
H O H O L O W0.5@2
H E L E H E W0.5@2
L O H O L O W0.5@1
H E L O L E W0.5@1
H O L O H O W0.5@2
L O L O H E W0.5@1
H O L E L O W0.5@1
H E H O H O W0.5@2
L O H E H E W0.5@1
H O L O H E W0.5@1
L E L O H E W0.5@1
L O H E L E W0.5@2
H E H O L O W0.5@1
L O H O H E W0.5@1
H O H O L E W0.5@1
L E H E H O W0.5@1
H E L O H O W0.5@1
H O L E L O W0.5@2
L = = = = = W0.5@1
26 lines x 0.5 wins = +13 units
It's just another suggestion perhaps for SLOW bank building - hit and run style - so you could theoretically gradually amass the funds for attempting such a plan as you outlined but over a longer period...
However, like you said, it WILL lose eventually in the end.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 31, 07:11 AM 2017
That's interesting idea ego.
Using roulette EC : H/L and E/O mix in lines of 6. Idea is play HIT AND RUN - maybe to win 4 times @0.5 = 2u
Use a six-step progression of:
0.5, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 = 31.5 units total at risk.
Record ONE line then commence betting and continue recording results.
Play the opposite EC of the result in the vertical line directly above...
STOP AT A WINNER on that line and continue recording until line complete.
Example real results:
H O H E L O - Record first line and then play opposite
L E L O L O W0.5@1st position
H O L O L E W0.5@1
H E H O L O W0.5@2
L O H O H O W0.5@1
L O L E L E W0.5@3
L E H O H O W0.5@2
H E L O H O W0.5@1
H O H O L O W0.5@2
H E L E H E W0.5@2
L O H O L O W0.5@1
H E L O L E W0.5@1
H O L O H O W0.5@2
L O L O H E W0.5@1
H O L E L O W0.5@1
H E H O H O W0.5@2
L O H E H E W0.5@1
H O L O H E W0.5@1
L E L O H E W0.5@1
L O H E L E W0.5@2
H E H O L O W0.5@1
L O H O H E W0.5@1
H O H O L E W0.5@1
L E H E H O W0.5@1
H E L O H O W0.5@1
H O L E L O W0.5@2
L = = = = = W0.5@1
26 lines x 0.5 wins = +13 units
It's just another suggestion perhaps for SLOW bank building - hit and run style - so you could theoretically gradually amass the funds for attempting such a plan as you outlined but over a longer period...
However, like you said, it WILL lose eventually in the end.
A.
This looks solid Atlantis. Must test. Everythings gonna lose. But can it win enough to be worth playing. Thats all we gotta know.
How about this:
Note the Third newest outcome: bet opposite (Pattern Breaker-ish?)
Third newest outcome: bet same (Pattern Filler-ish?)
(you can alternate bt the two systems)
With this progression: 1,2,3,7,14,28 (stop)=55 units
Quote from: cht on Dec 31, 03:33 AM 2017
and together we lost a couple ten thousands.
Later, ego started a thread on the use of LW registry and we proceeded to play real money with his idea and again we lost another couple of ten thousands,
giving a combined loss of close to $100k.
Thought it would be interesting to highlight the above (for a not-so-obvious reason that I will NOT elaborate on).
Quote from: sentinel3 on Dec 30, 05:59 PM 2017
I ONLY play red and black. Pattern breaker is a decent hit and run player.
One or two games a day. You will end up on top. Play too much youll be a loser like the other 98% of players.
I pretty much play like you do -- strictly on a hit and run basis and only 2-4 times on average per casino visit (6 times maximum on rare occasions).
In addition, I should also mention that I tend to play two games/series maximum consecutively and then move onto other methods.
I will then come back to this method one or two hours later for another 1 or 2 games/series and then again move to some other method. In other words, I do NOT play this method continuously.
The only major difference between my version and your version is this: you ONLY play R/B.
I tend to alternate between R/B, O/E, and H/L. I have explained that in previous posts in this thread.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 31, 08:58 PM 2017
Thought it would be interesting to highlight the above (for a not-so-obvious reason that I will NOT elaborate on).
You will now have noticed that I made many post about large br and losses. I did that with purpose, allow me explain.
If anyone who has been to a b&m casino on a regular basis they will have observed the bet size especially at the baccarat tables is fairly large. A $25 chip is small, the normal is $100 and the larger bets $500, the few whales $2500++.
Assume a regular loser small punter loses 10chips per day, his expected loss per month is $25 x 10 chips x 10days/month x 12 months = $30k per year x 4years = $120k
Are you surprise that the regular small punter loses $100k in 4-5 years ? You shouldn't be, that's the norm and every regular at the b&m casino knows this. How much more do the normal $100 chips loser punter lose in 4-5yrs, you do the math.
On forums most forumers are cents punters with online casino.
The problem is their comments that a method is good is based on the risk they face with their cents bet size. This makes these bunch of comments to be grossly misleading.
The same comments about this so&so poster is guru, veteran punter and whatnots is inaccurate. That's the loud voice of a mob with little skin in the game. Not that I care but it led me down rabbit holes wasting lots of time.
I joined this forum naively unaware of such happenings but I've learnt since. l love to discuss roulette or baccarat at the level with no hidden agenda or under any illusion for the single purpose to improve my betting, period. I deal with real ie. either method has a positive expectancy or no. Don't give me usual bs qualifiers that is of zero use when you bankroll the method for say $10k(believe me it's small)
Until I get to discuss with serious punters with skin in the game or ethical forumers who will not overstate opinions verging on distorted reality, I take most comments as from hobby punters having a ball time at forums.
No offence to anyone. And DoctorSudoku I consider you as one whom I do listen to.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Dec 31, 09:13 PM 2017
I pretty much play like you do -- strictly on a hit and run basis and only 2-4 times on average per casino visit (6 times maximum on rare occasions).
In addition, I should also mention that I tend to play two games/series maximum consecutively and then move onto other methods.
I will then come back to this method one or two hours later for another 1 or 2 games/series and then again move to some other method. In other words, I do NOT play this method continuously.
The only major difference between my version and your version is this: you ONLY play R/B.
I tend to alternate between R/B, O/E, and H/L. I have explained that in previous posts in this thread.
Hi Dr Sudoku happy new year.
My most successful game is always my first one. Ive decided in 2018 im only going to play a max of 3 games a day. Because those first 3 especially the first 1 are quite amazing. This is my breakdown after 450 games played since September.
GAMES PLAYED=450
GAMES WON=415
GAMES LOST=35
WIN--LOSS RATIO IS 12.85/1
BREAK EVEN IS 7/1
Now those results come from playing anything from 2 to 10 games a day.
Now when I take away all the games played from 4 to 10. On the days I played at least 3 games. Look at this.
GAMES PLAYED=320
GAMES WON=306
GAMES LOST=14
WIN---LOSS RATIO IS 22.85/1
BREAK EVEN IS 7/1
Those first 3 games especially the first one are solid. Ive only lost the first game 4 times in 119 days. Im now on a winning streak of 36 days on that first game. Matching my current best. If I win that first game tomorrow. Its a new record 37 days. Ive already won my 3 games for today.
I start early. Always play that first game between 3.30 and 6.00am. Its special dr. But yes the less you play with pattern breaker the more you win. No question about that.
sentinel3 thanks for that results :-)
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Dec 30, 12:09 PM 2017
DoctorSudoku & sentinel3
I had something else in mind using this strategy and convert it into a new way playing Pattern Breaker
How to turn £75 into £5250 or $150 (for those across the ditch into over $10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?
YES, you do need a certain element of luck.
Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time.
You only need to be lucky for two hours. Yes TWO LOUSY HOURS from the onset, you may not make it all the way, but it won't cost you anything either.
While people do not see eye to eye regarding bet selection, really it is a defensive mechanism, they need to convince themselves more than anybody else. I
n essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.
Let's revisit a set of 4 column binary tables;
-BBBB
-PBBB
-BPBB
-PPBB
-BBPB
-PBPB
-BPPB
-PPPB
-BBBP
-PBBP
-BPBP
-PPBP
-BBPP
-PBPP
-BPPP
-PPPP
Note I have numbered all possible outcomes. Your aim using a 4 step martingale is to play 10 columns per day, less than ONE SHOE per day maximum and to avoid any 4 column loss.
For those that the progression Martingale leaves a bad taste, bear in mind, the total risk is the initial £75 or $150, if you can't afford to risk that amount, then read no further, or remind yourself of the 5 g's or 10k plus potential..
Your aim is to make 10 units per day (maybe 11 if you want to cater for the tax, or maybe you might choose to wear that small cost), not a dime more. Your aim is to repeat this for 7 days straight, remember, your exposure is minimum as you will not play more than 40 or 44 hands any one day. Any 4 column loss and you quit. You need to avoid any 4 column loss for the first TWO DAYS ONLY, >> less than one shoe per day <<
Should you lose 4 hands on the bounce on the third day, you will still be in profit. Should you manage to not lose for SEVEN days, on the second week, you double your unit size, should you lose when you double your unit size, you are still in profit. Again repeat the exercise for the next seven days.
NOTE* you can withstand two losses per week and still remain in profit, this excludes the first two days. Your odds of losing 4 bets in a row is less than 6%, which means your odds of winning a bet in any four bet sequence is just over 93%. Should you manage to avoid any 4 column loss during the second week, again you double your unit value from £10 or $20, should you lose on day 15, you are still in profit. You just lost £300 but made £700 the previous week, how you determine the stake level for tomorrow is up to you, either drop down or press on, you can withstand 2 losing days per week. If you have made it this far and only played 10 or 11 (due to tax) columns of 4 for the last 21 days and avoided defeat you double your betting amount for the final time.
NOTE* thus far this whole exercise has been SELF FUNDING. Should you manage to avoid losing 4 in a row for the final week, you have just turned your initial stake of £75 into £5250 for approx 28 hours of table play, or $150 into over $10000, that's about 4 days work.
Week 1 - goal target £50 daily, weekly goal £350 - risk £75
Week 2 - goal target £100 daily, weekly goal £700 - risk £150
Week 3 - goal target £200 daily, weekly goal £1400 - risk £300
Week 4 - goal target £400 daily, weekly goal £2800 - risk £600
Maximum Total profit should you avoid 4L within 28 hours is £5250 less tax or for US based players over ten thousand dollars for a $150 stake. Other than the initial stake, IT IS SELF FUNDING.
Now take a deserved break and start again from the bottom. Does what you are currently playing carry a risk? Well so does this, so in this respect things are equal. The risk is limited to £75 or $150, the rewards are greater than what you would ordinarily hope for given the amount of bankroll. If 100 players tried this, not all would be lucky, some would be. All that matters is surviving the first two days.
OK - the bet selection; It really doesn't matter, either mathematically or logically. If you believe in trending, then wait for one column of four and use the bet selection SAME. If you don't believe in trending maybe use the bet selection OPPOSITE. Random is probably the best. If you don't care either way, maybe choose any one of the above 16 options and stick with it. Mathematically each sequence is suppose to occur once every 60 hands, be aware it doesn't always work out like this.
Maybe put the numbers I have associated with the 4 column options into a hat to determine your bet selection, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps omit the numbers 6 and 11 as these are the most common options for any 4 hand sequence. Don't lose sight of the total risk £75 or $150 and the potential reward. Perhaps play each sequence in numerical order, that is bet option 1 followed by option 2 then option 3 etc. Logically it doesn't make any difference. Should you lose for example on your fourth column, then that is it for that day, come back tomorrow and restart. You need SEVEN clear days of 10 units profit before doubling your playing stake. The risk is carried for the first two days only, after that it is >> SELF FUNDING
You could increase the risk and odds of not losing, by using a 5 column approach. You now have a 96% chance of scoring a win, however you would need to adjust you daily win target to 20 units, and would be playing that a particular 5 hand sequence from 32 possible sequences doesn't hit you for 20 columns.. $150 into over 10 "large" for 4 days effort!!!!!
Should this approach fail inside of the first two day, you would need to win 15 times just to get back to even. Then win another 10 times to progress from first base. If you had a bankroll greater than £75 or $150 you might want to use the balance to construct recovery option for the first two days only. Say you lost 15 units before you make 10 units. You then use the rest of your bankroll to recoup then continue where you left off. Few ways to do this, either use another martingale on top (lots of risk), or double your playing stake and use a Labby to win say 8 units, or possibly a Fibonacci, again to win either 15 units or 8 units if you doubled your initial stake size.
Nothing stopping somebody from playing two sessions per day, then you might achieve your goal in two weeks. Give yourself a decent break in between sessions. Yes I have explored this and I have found associating a numeric value to each of the possible outcomes of a Binary chart, as outlined above playing them simply in order 1,2,3,4 etc. faired best [random versus random]. You are either going to win or lose, the initial stake is not that great. If you decided to play the options sequentially, option 1 is BBBB, you need to decide if you will bet the same as BBBB or the opposite of BBBB, which of course would be would be PPPP, It all works out the same, you're playing with of 15/1 odds no matter what.
Yes IT WILL lose eventually, will you be at the table when it does? Your nemesis has to catch you when you are playing, one of the reasons I state, play less than ONE SHOE per day. Hence the reason make 10 units then bail. It can even lose when you are at the table, however it is the first 2 days which are crucial, after that, so long as you don't get back to back losing days you will be OK, again hence the reason to limit your exposure. It really doesn't matter how you determine your bet selection. £5k or $10k for 28 hours graft, minimal risk "$150", cheaper than a few weeks worth of lottery tickets and better odds.
Don't try and fast track this, by betting every hand, I would suggest that if anybody used other modes of play, that involves betting every hand, it wouldn't work. Losing 4 bets in a row when betting every hand is a whole lot easier than losing 4 bets for any given predetermined column sequence of bets.
The aim is to TRY and turn 75 quid or 150 bucks into £5 bricks or $10 large for 28 hours at the tables. As I stated above, it doesn't really matter if you lose the 3rd day, 2nd stage, 3rd or even the 4th stage, you are STILL IN PROFIT. You need to be lucky for the first two days only, otherwise it is SELF FUNDING. Lose 4 bets in a row and you are done for the day, better for your composure. Survive for a month and restart. Want to decrease the odds of losing?, Increase the risk..
Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.
This is from a Baccarat player with the name John - i like the concept and would like to implement Regression Up & Pull and Pattern Breaker with the odds 1 in 8 ...
Cheers
Patrik,
I am guessing that this baccarat player John that you have referred to above is none other than Johno (Rolex-watch/Egalite/Egalites Ghost). He is definitely one of the more profound thinkers not only in baccarat, but in the field of gambling strategies in general.
It is too bad that he gets into so many personal squabbles with other people because it detracts from all the good ideas that he has posted on various forums over the last decade or so. Anyway, thanks for posting his above idea (which is somewhat tangentially relevant to the Pattern Breaker method that we are discussing here).
DoctorSudoku i go to London this summer and will visit Empire Casino and Hippodrome Casino.
Pattern breaker is to slow grind method and i need something better.
I testing to combine Ching A Ling method with Parachute betting equal a ec distribution.
Then i can hit and run as much i want and be forced to stay at the table does time i end up with recovery levels.
Both action play and a safe way making money.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Jan 09, 01:57 PM 2018
DoctorSudoku i go to London this summer and will visit Empire Casino and Hippodrome Casino.
Pattern breaker is to slow grind method and i need something better.
I testing to combine Ching A Ling method with Parachute betting equal a ec distribution.
Then i can hit and run as much i want and be forced to stay at the table does time i end up with recovery levels.
Both action play and a safe way making money.
Cheers
Patrik,
The Ching a Ling method is definitely worth testing. I had forgotten about it and it is good that you have brought it back into discussion.
Quote from: ego on Jan 09, 01:57 PM 2018
DoctorSudoku i go to London this summer and will visit Empire Casino and Hippodrome Casino.
Pattern breaker is to slow grind method and i need something better.
I testing to combine Ching A Ling method with Parachute betting equal a ec distribution.
Then i can hit and run as much i want and be forced to stay at the table does time i end up with recovery levels.
Both action play and a safe way making money.
Cheers
Pattern Breaker can be speeded up Ego. The first 7 patterns take time ive noticed. But once you have them. You can run off games faster. By just counting back 10 spins each time.
I dont have your problem. Because online they spin the ball twice a minute.
Im checking out another method on this forum at the moment called Divide and conquer. And played for one game at a time its looking very good. I am 18/0 at the moment. And it has small risk like Pattern breaker.
Just 8 units to play a game. I have been tracking it like this.
22,12,34,07,18,29
You take them 6 numbers and make your 3 patterns for dozens as follows.
121
231
323.
Then lets say the next number was 10.
You put it under 121 like this
121
1.
And you now bet against 21. If played for just one game then shut it down. The wins keep coming. And its faster than pattern breaker. Like the way its going.
If you stay for more than two games. The losses come but for one or two games. Its good. And its fast so you can use this in a real casino no problem.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 10, 02:26 AM 2018
Im checking out another method on this forum at the moment called Divide and conquer. And played for one game at a time its looking very good. I am 18/0 at the moment. And it has small risk like Pattern breaker.
I agree. Divide and conquer also is a pretty competitive strategy as long as you play it strictly on a hit-and-run basis and only for 1 or 2 games (at most) at a time (and then you move on to other strategies).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 09, 02:04 PM 2018
Patrik,
The Ching a Ling method is definitely worth testing. I had forgotten about it and it is good that you have brought it back into discussion.
Yes Dr agree 100%. Get that win and get out.
Well I have just played my 500th game of PB. Last week was going for 37 straight wins for for the first game of the day. I didnt get it. Lost that game.
I also had my first back to back losses. But I cant grumble. Thats the first time in 38 losses.
So now I have two streaks of 36. Still pretty decent. And have another streak growing with my 8th win in a row this morning.
Here is how this system be looking after 500 games now. Im playing all even bets now Dr like you do.
GAMES PLAYED 500
GAMES WON 462
GAMES LOST 38
BEST STREAK 25 GAMES
BEST FIRST GAME OF DAY 36 TWICE.
Im happy with those results. And now I have this other system divide and conquer. And a clever Hi lo odd even system. By a forum member called Atlantis.
Im growing my bank pretty fast. Should hit 4 figures in the next month.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 10, 09:30 AM 2018
Yes Dr agree 100%. Get that win and get out.
Well I have just played my 500th game of PB. Last week was going for 37 straight wins for for the first game of the day. I didnt get it. Lost that game.
I also had my first back to back losses. But I cant grumble. Thats the first time in 38 losses.
So now I have two streaks of 36. Still pretty decent. And have another streak growing with my 8th win in a row this morning.
Here is how this system be looking after 500 games now. Im playing all even bets now Dr like you do.
GAMES PLAYED 500
GAMES WON 462
GAMES LOST 38
BEST STREAK 25 GAMES
BEST FIRST GAME OF DAY 36 TWICE.
Im happy with those results. And now I have this other system divide and conquer. And a clever Hi lo odd even system. By a forum member called Atlantis.
Im growing my bank pretty fast. Should hit 4 figures in the next month.
Sentinel,
When I said that I play all even bets, what I meant was that for the first game, I might target R/B. For the next game, I might switch to either O/E or H/L.
Is that what you mean by saying you are playing all the even bets?
Anyway, it is good to hear that you keep getting positive results.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 10, 05:54 PM 2018
Sentinel,
When I said that I play all even bets, what I meant was that for the first game, I might target R/B. For the next game, I might switch to either O/E or H/L.
Is that what you mean by saying you are playing all the even bets?
Anyway, it is good to hear that you keep getting positive results.
Yes Dr thats what ive started doing. And ive got a 21 game winning streak going now as a result. My longest for some time.
I play red black then High Low then Odd Even. And rotate like that. Lets see what it can produce. Out of interest. What is the longest win streak youve ever had since you played this system?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 10, 11:39 PM 2018
Yes Dr thats what ive started doing. And ive got a 21 game winning streak going now as a result. My longest for some time.
I play red black then High Low then Odd Even. And rotate like that. Lets see what it can produce. Out of interest. What is the longest win streak youve ever had since you played this system?
Sentinel,
In the two years I have been playing this the hit-and-run way, the longest win streak I have gotten is 24.
The above win streak was with betting the third spin also (if I have lost the first two spins).
Now that I have recently switched to the 1 2 progression (skipping the third spin and accepting a loss for that specific game), the longest win streak I have experienced has been 14 (but it is still early days, so to speak).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 11, 12:36 AM 2018
The above win streak was with betting the third spin also (if I have lost the first two spins).
Now that I have recently switched to the 1 2 progression (skipping the third spin and accepting a loss for that specific game), the longest win streak I have experienced has been 14 (but it is still early days, so to speak).
Wow youve had a 24. And Ive had a 25 and 23 in about 4 months of play. That seems to be the mark for a good streak.
Remember though Dr 14 is very good for a 3 unit risk. I would be happy with an average of 5 wins to every loss for the two step 3 unit tweak. Because you can recover that loss very quickly.
Ive been studying and dissecting my 500 results. And see some very interesting behaviour.
It takes an average of 27 spins to close 6 patterns. It takes an average of 39 spins to close 7 patterns. I see opportunities here to get more profit out of each game.
Also Doctor now that I am playing all 3 even bets. I never get set of three games with RB HL OE. Where all three win on the first step. Two out of three is the best I have seen for that.
Even when I was playing just RB. The longest streak for wins on the first step was 5 games. All these things are food for thought. I can see a fine tuning of this system. To make is even more fruitful.
Which means if say your first game wins on the first step. Theres a very good chance one of the other two doesnt.
Again another opportunity that can be exploited at low risk.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 11, 12:36 AM 2018
The above win streak was with betting the third spin also (if I have lost the first two spins).
Now that I have recently switched to the 1 2 progression (skipping the third spin and accepting a loss for that specific game), the longest win streak I have experienced has been 14 (but it is still early days, so to speak).
600 games in this system holds strong. There just are no suprises. It ticks along a treat.
GAMES PLAYED 600
GAMES WON 553
GAMES LOST 47
LONGEST WIN STREAK 25 GAMES.
LONGEST GAME 1 STREAK 36 DAYS.
I have been monitoring the 2 step vs the 3 step Dr. And although the 2 step is kinder to your nerves when you are pressed. The three step still produces more profit if you never change the progression. You have to believe in its long term performance.
7 units is a very acceptable risk to me..i couldnt back other systems on here that are asking you to risk 80 or 500 or some crazy sum. And they still bust.
PB is very hard to top for risk and performance. A few other systems are up there with it. But you have to wait longer to get your win. But win you do.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 19, 06:19 PM 2018
600 games in this system holds strong. There just are no suprises. It ticks along a treat.
GAMES PLAYED 600
GAMES WON 553
GAMES LOST 47
LONGEST WIN STREAK 25 GAMES.
LONGEST GAME 1 STREAK 36 DAYS.
I have been monitoring the 2 step vs the 3 step Dr. And although the 2 step is kinder to your nerves when you are pressed. The three step still produces more profit if you never change the progression. You have to believe in its long term performance.
7 units is a very acceptable risk to me..i couldnt back other systems on here that are asking you to risk 80 or 500 or some crazy sum. And they still bust.
PB is very hard to top for risk and performance. A few other systems are up there with it. But you have to wait longer to get your win. But win you do.
Sentinel,
Yes, I am a very conservative bettor when it becomes to roulette (slightly less so with baccarat and craps).
For me, the 1 2 progression is looking fairly attractive (at least as of now).
By the way, have you tried alternate three step progressions, like, say, the 1 2 2 or the 1 1 3 for this method?
Needless to say, please test before you play with real money.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 19, 07:20 PM 2018
Sentinel,
Yes, I am a very conservative bettor when it becomes to roulette (slightly less so with baccarat and craps).
For me, the 1 2 progression is looking fairly attractive (at least as of now).
By the way, have you tried alternate three step progressions, like, say, the 1 2 2 or the 1 1 3 for this method?
Needless to say, please test before you play with real money.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
HI Dr
No ive just used 12 and 124. As my profit margin grows Im less inclined to be too precious about losing 7 units in one game.
But when I used to follow Brett Mortons style of play. I could be down 50 units in a couple of spins.
So 7 units is nothing to me in that respect. And the win rate be attractive enough to earn my confidence.
Im holding on to 11 wins to every loss at the moment. When 7 are required to break even. This is very solid. What I seem to get is something like this in a three loss run.
WWWWWLWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL
You be getting two losses quite close together a lot of the time. Followed by a nice win streak pushing 20. Its very good.
I want to dismiss your run as luck and close the lid here. But who is me to debate it when you have done this over and over again. I am going to test it over 1 year of Efbet spins published in this forum for 1 game a day to see how it works.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 20, 02:22 AM 2018
I want to dismiss your run as luck and close the lid here. But who is me to debate it when you have done this over and over again. I am going to test it over 1 year of Efbet spins published in this forum for 1 game a day to see how it works.
How long does luck last?
Luck is not gonna win for months on end.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 10, 11:39 PM 2018I play red black then High Low then Odd Even. And rotate like that.
Hi, thanks Sentinel3 for sharing this.
Can you Please give some sample spins with results. Thanks
SugTips
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 20, 06:06 AM 2018How long does luck last?
Luck is not gonna win for months on end
:). For people luck could last for years. Sorry, if I come across as criticising, as that is not my intention. I am in fact trying to test it out so that I can follow this system. Can you confirm this is how you play it.
You play it exactly like John legend mentions but play red and black instead of high and low. Also you play mostly one game a day and the first game is usually better than other games in the day. Is my description right? Also, what do you do when you encounter zeroes. Thanks for your help.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 20, 09:16 AM 2018
:). For people luck could last for years. Sorry, if I come across as criticising, as that is not my intention. I am in fact trying to test it out so that I can follow this system. Can you confirm this is how you play it.
You play it exactly like John legend mentions but play red and black instead of high and low. Also you play mostly one game a day and the first game is usually better than other games in the day. Is my description right? Also, what do you do when you encounter zeroes. Thanks for your help.
I cant say that I agree with that. If I win for 5 years I will be so far ahead. That lets say the win rate dropped from 11-1 where i am now to 8-1. I would still be making a profit. Just a smaller one. Roulette is a percentage game. And PB is one of the best percentage grinders ive ever seen.
What attracted me to this system was the small risk. I dont believe in risking a house to win a shed. So what this had to show me was overall consistent winning.
When you talk of luck. It would make more sense to someone playing an endless martingale. My roulette hero Brett Morton. Speaks about the time he would wait for 3 reds or blacks then bet on the opposite.
In his superb book playing to win. He talks of how he and his friends won thousands for months doing this.
Then it happened. 18 BLACKS IN A ROW. And they got wiped out. All the money they had won gone on one freak streak.
Thats luck running out. This system is something very different.
Okay how ive been playing pattern breaker.
The original system was supposed to use HIGH LOW. I tested it on paper for two weeks before playing for real.
I separated all the even chance bets. And monitored their performance.
Red and black had over 20% more wins over 200 games paper bet.
So I decided to just play red and black. Everything else is as JL outlined at the start of this thread.
Zeros i ignore them in recording spins to get down to the last 8th pattern.
If I get hit by zero in play I take the loss. Ive only run into a zero 3 times in 605 games now.
Alot of PB games end in ONE SPIN. The first one. So you arent exposing yourself to variance long enough to get bitten. Thats another thing I like about PB.
I play 3 to 8 games a day now.
I was going to play just 3. But I want a faster turn out. And the win rate justifies it.
But as a matter of fact the first game of the day be the strongest.
I have two winning streaks of 36 days since I started playing on September 15th last year. In 126 days. Ive lost the first game just 6 times.
Is that awesome or what?????
So as a result I stake higher on that first game that anyother. 3 times higher in fact. And I will tell you. When I get to a point I can win 100 units a day on just that first game. Its all I will play. Its just too solid.
@all players from Pattern breaker
I make an excel file for RRR, EEE,LLL and a file with 16 groups RRRR, EEEE, LLLL..
Nice WE
:) :)
ludo8400
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 20, 09:16 AM 2018
You play it exactly like John legend mentions but play red and black instead of high and low. Also you play mostly one game a day and the first game is usually better than other games in the day. Is my description right? Also, what do you do when you encounter zeroes.
I play this method on a double zero airball wheel on average about 4 times per casino visit (in various casinos in the US).
For the first game, I will target the R/B.
Win or lose, for the next game, I will switch to O/E.
Then win or lose, I switch to a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT betting method. In other words, I do NOT play more than 2 consecutive games using this method.
After one or two hours, I might come back to this method again.
Then I might target the H/L.
Then, win or lose, for the next game, I switch back to the R/B.
That's it -- win or lose -- I again switch to a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT betting method.
Bottom line is that I do NOT play more than 2 consecutive games using this method (usually 4 games MAXIMUM per casino visit).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 20, 10:18 AM 2018
I play this method on a double zero airball wheel on average about 4 times per casino visit (in various casinos in the US).
For the first game, I will target the R/B.
Win or lose, for the next game, I will switch to O/E.
Then win or lose, I switch to a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT betting method. In other words, I do NOT play more than 2 consecutive games using this method.
After one or two hours, I might come back to this method again.
Then I might target the H/L.
Then, win or lose, for the next game, I switch back to the R/B.
That's it -- win or lose -- I again switch to a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT betting method.
Bottom line is that I do NOT play more than 2 consecutive games using this method (usually 4 games MAXIMUM per casino visit).
An addendum to my previous post:
When betting against the 8th pattern (the last remaining pattern), I used to play a 1 2 2 progression for the three spins (if I won on the third spin, I would have a 1 unit loss for that game).
I have noticed that most of the wins come on the FIRST TWO spins.
So nowadays when betting against the 8th pattern, I target the the FIRST TWO spins ONLY with a 1 2 progression.
If I lose both of those spins, I end the game and accept a 3 unit loss for that specific game.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 20, 10:26 AM 2018
An addendum to my previous post:
When betting against the 8th pattern (the last remaining pattern), I used to play a 1 2 2 progression for the three spins (if I won on the third spin, I would have a 1 unit loss for that game).
I have noticed that most of the wins come on the FIRST TWO spins.
So nowadays when betting against the 8th pattern, I target the the FIRST TWO spins ONLY with a 1 2 progression.
If I lose both of those spins, I end the game and accept a 3 unit loss for that specific game.
I like your patience Doctor to accept the loss.
But how do you respond to it? Do you still bet the same amount or increase a bit to speed recovery? Thats what ive been meaning to ask you.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 20, 10:00 AM 2018So as a result I stake higher on that first game that anyother. 3 times higher in fact. And I will tell you. When I get to a point I can win 100 units a day on just that first game. Its all I will play. Its just too solid
Thanks sentinel. So if I play red and black and stick to one game a day you think that’s a fair representation of getting the maximum benefit from this way of playing, right?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 20, 12:00 PM 2018
Thanks sentinel. So if I play red and black and stick to one game a day you think that’s a fair representation of getting the maximum benefit from this way of playing, right?
Well its what ive experienced. I can only report my experience. Interestingly enough Dr Soduku who plays PB too. Said his longest win streak in 2 years playing around 4 games a day is 24.
My longest overall win streak in four months is 25 games. But 36 twice for the first game of the day. That I play early before 6am..
Thanks john for sharing.. Seems very good.
Id like to start playing this at 0.20 units to start with.
-0.20p 0.40, 0.80
If lose then recover with
-1.40, -2.80. -5.60. For 1 game then back to 0.20.
Total bankroll needed to start 11.20
How many times have people witnessed 2 lossing attempts in a row.
Quote from: Mattjono88 on Jan 20, 05:02 PM 2018
Thanks john for sharing.. Seems very good.
Id like to start playing this at 0.20 units to start with.
-0.20p 0.40, 0.80
If lose then recover with
-1.40, -2.80. -5.60. For 1 game then back to 0.20.
Total bankroll needed to start 11.20
How many times have people witnessed 2 lossing attempts in a row.
Morning Matt. Ive played 607 games so far. And Ive had 48 losing games. And out of those 48 only two back to back losses. So its pretty solid there.
If you are playing for pennies then doing what you propose is okay. What I do after a loss is double up for one game.Then drop back to my standard progression. I have faith in the overall win rate. So I know its going to make profit overall.
Where I stake more is on my very first game of the day I stake three times as much as the later games. Its performance so far is fantastic. 127 days and just 6 losses. This is the bet you could risk a full recovery bet on. Its solid.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 20, 10:46 AM 2018
I like your patience Doctor to accept the loss.
But how do you respond to it?
Do you still bet the same amount or increase a bit to speed recovery?
Thats what ive been meaning to ask you.
Sentinel,
If my 1 2 progression loses, I accept the loss as it is.
I absolutely do NOT increase my bets for the next game (in other words, I do NOT use any recovery progression).
That would defeat the purpose of employing the 1 2 progression in the first place.
So I just stick to the 1 2 progression for the next game.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 21, 01:09 PM 2018
Sentinel,
If my 1 2 progression loses, I accept the loss as it is.
I absolutely do NOT increase my bets for the next game (in other words, I do NOT use any recovery progression).
That would defeat the purpose of employing the 1 2 progression in the first place.
So I just stick to the 1 2 progression for the next game.
Okay so you rely on the overall win rate to make your profit.
With the standard 3 step PB. Upon a loss. I double up for just the follow up game. Ive had just two double losses out of 612 games and 48 losing games. So theres solid consistency here.
But as Ive said before. My first game of the day is my real banker. I play it at three times the level of my follow up games.
And once I reach a serious level of three figures a bet. It will be my only bet of the day. At only 6 losses in 128 days. Its a different ball game. Its running at 20 to 1 at the moment. While overall PB is giving me 11 to 1 at the minute.
As Brett morton says in his great book playing to win. If he can make his money with just one spin. He will take it. And thats me. Im not playing for show. Or to beat variance in a long battle. Im playing to win.
And one spin will do nicely when the moneys right.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 21, 02:35 PM 2018
Okay so you rely on the overall win rate to make your profit.
With the standard 3 step PB. Upon a loss. I double up for just the follow up game. Ive had just two double losses out of 612 games and 48 losing games. So theres solid consistency here.
But as Ive said before. My first game of the day is my real banker. I play it at three times the level of my follow up games.
And once I reach a serious level of three figures a bet. It will be my only bet of the day. At only 6 losses in 128 days. Its a different ball game. Its running at 20 to 1 at the moment. While overall PB is giving me 11 to 1 at the minute.
As Brett morton says in his great book playing to win. If he can make his money with just one spin. He will take it. And thats me. Im not playing for show. Or to beat variance in a long battle. Im playing to win.
And one spin will do nicely when the moneys right.
Have you just been playing the original pattern breaker?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 09:30 PM 2018
Have you just been playing the original pattern breaker?
Hello
Yes but I favour RED BLACK. I always monitor all three even bets. Solid fact. In 615 games they never all lost in the same round. If I lose on RB. I then play one of the other two. Red black are solid.
And I play against the last pattern. Playing for the pattern is less stable. I have five losing games in a row in my results. Not good. The original format is the best.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 09:30 PM 2018
Have you just been playing the original pattern breaker?
This is how I record my games. This is the first game I played today.
22/01/2018
GAME 0615
RRRâ– 3
RRBâ– 5
RBBâ– 6
RBR🛑8---(BBB)-(STEP 1)
BBBâ– 4
BBRâ– 1
BRR🛑7--(45 SPINS)-(6TH ATTEMPT)
BRBâ– 2
This is how I record my results for my records. So I can see not only a win or loss. But how things broke down from start to finish.
Thank you Sentinel3 for your explanation.
I've been trying testing continuous games without waiting for patterns to form..
Recording results on each line horizontally.
Bet OPPOSITE of first 3 recorded results on each line.
Format: H/L - O/E - H/L H/L - O/E - H/L
Progression 1-2-3 = 6u risk.
Profit on first 2 steps = +1; Profit on 3rd step = +0
My target = +4 per game
EXAMPLE GAMES PLAYED JUST NOW:
===============================
HOH HEL w2nd
HOH LOH w1st
HOH LEH w1st
LEL LEH w3rd
LOL HEH w1st
w+4
LEL HEH w1st
LEL LEH w3rd
HOL LEH w1st
HEL LOH w1st
LEL HEL w1st
w+4
HEL LOL w1st
HEL HOH w2nd
LOH HEH w1st
HEL LOL w1st
w+4
LEH LEH L-6
LEH HOH w1st
HEL LEL w1st
HEH HEL w3rd
HOL LEL w1st
LEL LOL w2nd
HOL HOH w3rd
LEL HOL w1st
HEH HOL w2nd
LEL HOH w1st
HOL LOH w1st
LEH LOL w2nd
LOH HEH w1st
w+4
HOH LOL w1st
HEH HOH w2nd
LOH LEH w2nd
HOL HEH w2nd
w+4
LEH LEH L-6
LEL HOH w1st
LEL LOL w2nd
LEH LOL w2nd
HEH HOL w2nd
LEH LOL w2nd
LOH LEL w2nd
LOH HOH w1st
HOL LEH w1st
HOH LOL w1st
HEL LOH w1st
w+4
HEH LEL w1st
LEL HOL w1st
HEL HOL w2nd
HEL HOL w2nd
w+4
HOH LOL w1st
LEL HEL w1st
LOL LOH w3rd
LEL LOH w2nd
HEH LOH w1st
w+4
LOH LEH w2nd
LOH LOH L-6
LOH LEL w2nd
HEH HEL w3rd
LEL HOL w1st
HOL LOL w1st
LOH HOL w1st
LEH LOL w1st
HEH HOL w2nd
LOL LOH w3rd
LEL LOH w2nd
LEH HOH w1st
HOL LOH w1st
w+4
LOH LEL w2nd
HEH LOL w1st
LEL HOL w1st
HOL LEL w1st
w+4
At first try it doesn't seem too shabby...?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 22, 09:38 AM 2018
Thank you Sentinel3 for your explanation.
I've been trying testing continuous games without waiting for patterns to form..
Recording results on each line horizontally.
Bet OPPOSITE of first 3 recorded results on each line.
Format: H/L - O/E - H/L H/L - O/E - H/L
Progression 1-2-3 = 6u risk.
Profit on first 2 steps = +1; Profit on 3rd step = +0
My target = +4 per game
EXAMPLE GAMES PLAYED JUST NOW:
===============================
HOH HEL w2nd
HOH LOH w1st
HOH LEH w1st
LEL LEH w3rd
LOL HEH w1st
w+4
LEL HEH w1st
LEL LEH w3rd
HOL LEH w1st
HEL LOH w1st
LEL HEL w1st
w+4
HEL LOL w1st
HEL HOH w2nd
LOH HEH w1st
HEL LOL w1st
w+4
LEH LEH L-6
LEH HOH w1st
HEL LEL w1st
HEH HEL w3rd
HOL LEL w1st
LEL LOL w2nd
HOL HOH w3rd
LEL HOL w1st
HEH HOL w2nd
LEL HOH w1st
HOL LOH w1st
LEH LOL w2nd
LOH HEH w1st
w+4
HOH LOL w1st
HEH HOH w2nd
LOH LEH w2nd
HOL HEH w2nd
w+4
LEH LEH L-6
LEL HOH w1st
LEL LOL w2nd
LEH LOL w2nd
HEH HOL w2nd
LEH LOL w2nd
LOH LEL w2nd
LOH HOH w1st
HOL LEH w1st
HOH LOL w1st
HEL LOH w1st
w+4
HEH LEL w1st
LEL HOL w1st
HEL HOL w2nd
HEL HOL w2nd
w+4
HOH LOL w1st
LEL HEL w1st
LOL LOH w3rd
LEL LOH w2nd
HEH LOH w1st
w+4
LOH LEH w2nd
LOH LOH L-6
LOH LEL w2nd
HEH HEL w3rd
LEL HOL w1st
HOL LOL w1st
LOH HOL w1st
LEH LOL w1st
HEH HOL w2nd
LOL LOH w3rd
LEL LOH w2nd
LEH HOH w1st
HOL LOH w1st
w+4
LOH LEL w2nd
HEH LOL w1st
LEL HOL w1st
HOL LEL w1st
w+4
At first try it doesn't seem too shabby...?
A.
But if your bet selection strategy is what has been highlighted above, then it is NOT Pattern Breaker.
In Pattern Breaker, you wait for 7 of the 8 patterns to form.
Just to be clear, when playing B/R, the patterns are BBB, RRR, BRR, BBR, BRB, RBR, RRB, and RBB.
And as soon as the 7th pattern has formed, you immediately bet against the 8th (the last remaining pattern) from forming over the next three spins.
But the method that you have outlined above is a far cry from that.
Another point:
I have noticed that most of the wins come on the first two spins, so nowadays I just employ a 1 2 progression. If I lose the first two spins, I just accept a three unit loss for that game and wait for the next trigger situation (game) to appear.
Also, I keep switching between B/R to O/E to H/L and back to R/B and so on and so forth. And I do NOT play this method for more than two consecutive games (as I have explained before several times in this thread).
So far I have had good results using the above changes to the original method.
Quote
But if your bet selection strategy is what has been highlighted above, then it is NOT Pattern Breaker.
In Pattern Breaker, you wait for 7 of the 8 patterns to form.
Just to be clear, when playing B/R, the patterns are BBB, RRR, BRR, BBR, BRB, RBR, RRB, and RBB.
And as soon as the 7th pattern has formed, you immediately bet against the 8th (the last remaining pattern) from forming over the next three spins.
My apologies, Sentinel3.
I know that - was just trying this. Maybe I should not have confused ppl by being so quick to post my idea and findings into this topic..
Of course it is NOT PB. (but still betting against a mixed pattern; and still 3 bets)
Regards,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 22, 09:38 AM 2018
Thank you Sentinel3 for your explanation.
I've been trying testing continuous games without waiting for patterns to form..
Recording results on each line horizontally.
Bet OPPOSITE of first 3 recorded results on each line.
Format: H/L - O/E - H/L H/L - O/E - H/L
Progression 1-2-3 = 6u risk.
Profit on first 2 steps = +1; Profit on 3rd step = +0
My target = +4 per game
EXAMPLE GAMES PLAYED JUST NOW:
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HOH HEL w2nd
HOH LOH w1st
HOH LEH w1st
LEL LEH w3rd
LOL HEH w1st
w+4
LEL HEH w1st
LEL LEH w3rd
HOL LEH w1st
HEL LOH w1st
LEL HEL w1st
w+4
HEL LOL w1st
HEL HOH w2nd
LOH HEH w1st
HEL LOL w1st
w+4
LEH LEH L-6
LEH HOH w1st
HEL LEL w1st
HEH HEL w3rd
HOL LEL w1st
LEL LOL w2nd
HOL HOH w3rd
LEL HOL w1st
HEH HOL w2nd
LEL HOH w1st
HOL LOH w1st
LEH LOL w2nd
LOH HEH w1st
w+4
HOH LOL w1st
HEH HOH w2nd
LOH LEH w2nd
HOL HEH w2nd
w+4
LEH LEH L-6
LEL HOH w1st
LEL LOL w2nd
LEH LOL w2nd
HEH HOL w2nd
LEH LOL w2nd
LOH LEL w2nd
LOH HOH w1st
HOL LEH w1st
HOH LOL w1st
HEL LOH w1st
w+4
HEH LEL w1st
LEL HOL w1st
HEL HOL w2nd
HEL HOL w2nd
w+4
HOH LOL w1st
LEL HEL w1st
LOL LOH w3rd
LEL LOH w2nd
HEH LOH w1st
w+4
LOH LEH w2nd
LOH LOH L-6
LOH LEL w2nd
HEH HEL w3rd
LEL HOL w1st
HOL LOL w1st
LOH HOL w1st
LEH LOL w1st
HEH HOL w2nd
LOL LOH w3rd
LEL LOH w2nd
LEH HOH w1st
HOL LOH w1st
w+4
LOH LEL w2nd
HEH LOL w1st
LEL HOL w1st
HOL LEL w1st
w+4
At first try it doesn't seem too shabby...?
A.
This is interesting Atlantis thankyou.
Heres what ive observed over 620 games now.
RRRâ– 1
RRBâ– 2
RBBâ– 3
Ive never seen those three patterns form in order top to bottom. Interesting. Even when the first pattern is
RRRâ– 1
Those other two dont follow in sequence. This is from 620 games now. Even if i had lost that 3 times in those games.
I dont know its interesting to me.
I be thinking if we start once you have
RRRâ– 1
RR
How long does 1 2 4 8 survive. I need to test that.
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 22, 11:35 AM 2018
My apologies, Sentinel3.
I know that - was just trying this. Maybe I should not have confused ppl by being so quick to post my idea and findings into this topic..
Of course it is NOT PB. (but still betting against a mixed pattern; and still 3 bets)
Regards,
A.
No need to apologize Atlantis. Dr Sudoku asked the question. I like to see fresh angles on things.
BTW your HEHOHE Idea is still going good. Tested over 500 lines now.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 22, 12:46 PM 2018
No need to apologize Atlantis. Dr Sudoku asked the question. I like to see fresh angles on things.
BTW your HEHOHE Idea is still going good. Tested over 500 lines now.
Good to hear abt that method - but I actually think I prefer the new way I just posted over that particular one now...
(Regarding Scooby's 'reverse zone' method we discussed, I am in agreement with what you had to say totally on that one and I have discarded it fairly quickly after some failed tests - Thanks for your quick feedback and advice on that)
Your recent comments about the strengths, low risks and low exposure with PB are good valid points to keep in mind.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 22, 01:57 PM 2018
Good to hear abt that method - but I actually think I prefer the new way I just posted over that particular one now...
(Regarding Scooby's 'reverse zone' method we discussed, I am in agreement with what you had to say totally on that one and I have discarded it fairly quickly after some failed tests - Thanks for your quick feedback and advice on that)
Your recent comments about the strengths, low risks and low exposure with PB are good valid points to keep in mind.
A.
I have to take a good look at your new twist then Atlantis if you really feel its stronger and safer than even 6.
Im staying on even chance systems. I find them more reliable and stable. The dozens can be very volatile. And betting on two dozens is not really appealing to me.
Ive always liked the simplicity on the even chances. Pattern breaker and some of your ideas are the best thing on this forum as far as im concerned. They deliver.
So I will be looking at your new concept closely. And let you know how it goes.
Hi guys. Just been thinking is there anything that the losing sessions seem to have in common.
Maybe over 50 spins and still no bet we dont play that set, as im thinking it got more chance of hitting that 8th pattern the longer the session goes on.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 22, 03:54 PM 2018
Hi guys. Just been thinking is there anything that the losing sessions seem to have in common.
Maybe over 50 spins and still no bet we dont play that set, as im thinking it got more chance of hitting that 8th pattern the longer the session goes on.
Hi Apollo
Ive got 622 games recorded now. My longest game to date that lost was 105 spins my shortest 27 spins. Theres no real bias or advantage in game length and losses. In fact most of my losing games 50 now out of 622 have been sub 50 spins in length.
A losing game in my estimation is just a matter of entering the cycle on the wrong spin. So by the time you get to the 7th pattern. And the 8th pattern forms immediately to cause a loss. In another game the 7th and 8th patterns would have been say the 3rd and 4th patterns.
See ive come to the conclusion now. That the ultimate way to play pattern breaker is as follows. If you want very few losses.
Records all even chances simultaneously. Which I do anyway. And wait for a loss and bet on the next even chance out of the two remaining. And you will rarely lose. You will need more patience of course. But your win rate will be phenomenal.
In 900 sets of three even chances I have on record there are 88 losing games. But heres the awesome part. There are only 4 with two losses out of the three.
And there are none where all three even chances in a set lost. Which basically means a 9 step progression would probably never lose. Or so rarely it would have no impact on your success and profit making.
So I think theres alot to think about here. But back to the game length. No you just play a game and hope you entered the cycle at the right time.
Hi sentinel3 thanks. So looks like 9 wins to 1 loss. The 1,2,3 prog work well like said in previous post.
Yeah the waiting for one loss could take alot patience.
Unless played with a different patient system at same time.
Anyone tried 1,3,4 progression if wins mostly come in first 2 steps.
And say your recording all 3 even chances at same time. Can you not get into situations where your betting at exactly the same time on say H,L and R,B so how could a 9 step progression work?
are you playing the original rules of the strategy?
Yes i think so.
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:00 - 10:00) 30th dec
8 13 13
34 20 14
8 20 21
26 14 33
31 29 8
26 29 10
22 9 15
20 19 26
12 17 9
16 26 11 *LLH BET HHL
8 21 14 W+1
26 16 5
27 4 36
0 35 6
36 26 13
11 25 9
3 28 19
26 36 20
28 22 24
24 22 35
15 36 23
9 34 9
14 13 22
20 15 27
14 3 14
34 32 4
13 14 29 *LLL BET HHH
10 31 10 W+1
(+2)
_______________
i like it
but even on airball waiting for that last pattern can take awhile
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 22, 05:31 PM 2018
And say your recording all 3 even chances at same time. Can you not get into situations where your betting at exactly the same time on say H,L and R,B so how could a 9 step progression work?
Excellent question. If I were doing it that way. Any simultaneous qualifiers would void the game. They do happen from time to time.
What I see in my records is often two of the three chances qualify quickly in 30 to 40 spins. And the third one takes longer 50 to 60 spins.
Another thing I never considered as someone who normally plays just red and black. But observes the other two.
Is the first game in a set. Whether it be RB OE or HL. Wins more often than just targetting one specific EC.
So if I had been doing this since september last year when I started. My win rate would be 13--1 instead of my current 11--1.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 22, 09:28 PM 2018
i like it
but even on airball waiting for that last pattern can take awhile
Its worth it ghost. You know the buy in for this system is very modest. Just 7 units a game.
And the odds are supposed to be 7 wins to every loss. But in my 620 plus games. The win rate has at no time fallen below 9 to 1. And usually stays around 10 to 11 to 1.
This thing is a long term winner. I used to dream about finding something this consistent. That just ticks along collecting profit. No spectacular large wins.
But steady bankroll growth with no nasty surprises and drawdowns. And now I have it im so happy. Its just a matter of time. Before i could do this for a living.
If those online casinos dont stop me.
Thanks. Not 100% on what your saying... You saying R,B is best to play as hits most first time?
If so wouldn't this be different for different players stats.
so in the original post we copy spins of 3, and cross them off until one remains
if zero hits? forget that sequence of 3?
i am not the creator of the graph above. someone earlier in the thread posted it. this method definitely has some bite to it
Does anyone play virtually and whichever loses Play it next.
So say RB and HL wins and OE lost. We play now for real on OE.
I wonder if the hit rate on that would be like 20Win to 1Loss
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 22, 10:21 PM 2018
Thanks. Not 100% on what your saying... You saying R,B is best to play as hits most first time?
If so wouldn't this be different for different players stats.
In my experience it wins slightly better than the other two.
Example back in september I paper tested 600 games 200 sets of all three even chances.
RED BLACK=184 WINS 16 LOSSES
HIGH LOW=175 WINS 25 LOSSES
ODD EVEN= 176 WINS 24 LOSSES.
I know thats a small sample. But I just decided to go with RB and it hasnt let me down. It never goes worse than 90/10 in a 100 games.
How many back to back losses on RB have you seen?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 22, 10:31 PM 2018
i am not the creator of the graph above. someone earlier in the thread posted it. this method definitely has some bite to it
Yes it does. Ive always loved playing the even chances..And I used to just follow the wheel. Or wait for 6 reds or blacks and bet the opposite. And alot of the time I would win. But when a nasty run of 12 or more reds or blacks would hit.
It would wreck my nerves. And I just couldnt go beyond 12. Having seen 19 reds at one times.
So finding this has been a revelation. Simple. Low buy in and most importantly consistent. I love this system. Im liking Atlantis HOH system too.
Ive only tested 20 lines but yeah its going well.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 22, 11:17 PM 2018
How many back to back losses on RB have you seen?
I have two records Apollo.
For RED BLACK. Ive had two out of 50 losses.
For the even chances overall, played in sets of 3. I have 4 out of 88 losses within a set. So its pretty solid.
So yeah maybe waiting for a virtual loss then betting on that particular even chance could give 1 loss to every 20 wins. Could take 100 spins or more sometimes tho for a trigger so need patience but even safer.
Or maybe just triple the bet after a loss. So 1,2,4 as normal on the 3 even chances. If say the H.L lost then play 3,6,12 next time just to recover a little more. I know its suggested 7,14,28 to recover but id be happier playing abit safer.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 22, 11:35 PM 2018
So yeah maybe waiting for a virtual loss then betting on that particular even chance could give 1 loss to every 20 wins. Could take 100 spins or more sometimes tho for a trigger so need patience but even safer.
The fastest way to do it Apolloo is dont hold back. Every 12 spins start a new 3 even chance game. And pretty soon you will get one of them losing. And then you play the very next one in the set that qualifies.
Normally I play no more than 8 games a day. And its payed off giving me a decent win rate.
But if you are seeking a loss to play off. You can now play more often. Because you can go 4 or 5 sets before you get a loss. Ive had 5 sets of 3 without a loss several times in my records.
And then you will get 2 losses in the next 3 sets. Thats how it goes.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 22, 11:39 PM 2018
Or maybe just triple the bet after a loss. So 1,2,4 as normal on the 3 even chances. If say the H.L lost then play 3,6,12 next time just to recover a little more. I know its suggested 7,14,28 to recover but id be happier playing abit safer.
Well my first bet of the day Apolloo is the one I stake three times as much on. Its SPECIAL.
My record since September last year
129/6 and 2 winning streaks of 36 days in a row.
Thats a win rate of 20 to 1. And zero double losses. It is the bet I believe in the most. So risk three times as much on it as the later games I play in a day.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 22, 11:39 PM 2018
Or maybe just triple the bet after a loss. So 1,2,4 as normal on the 3 even chances. If say the H.L lost then play 3,6,12 next time just to recover a little more. I know its suggested 7,14,28 to recover but id be happier playing abit safer.
This is what I am going to start doing after i win another couple of hundred units.
I will track all three even bets and play as Dr Sudoku suggests. 1 2 on the first two steps. BUT I will play a continuous progression of 1 2 4 8 16 32. If needed until I win or hit a rare loss.
Because in over 900 results for all three even chances. A double loss and then the last remaining even chance winning on the third step has only happened ONCE.
What this means is if I had played this progression 1 2 4 8 16 32 Total 63 units.
Across 930 games. Or 310 possible wins. Its only busted ONCE. Leaving 247 units of profit.
Do the roulette wheels go on a break?? Im in the middle of playing a game?
Good job i wasn't in the middle of a bet as all the wheels have just stopped gone inactive... Try again later. Never knew this happened. Hopefully 6am --6;30am break.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 23, 01:23 AM 2018
Good job i wasn't in the middle of a bet as all the wheels have just stopped gone inactive... Try again later. Never knew this happened. Hopefully 6am --6;30am break.
what site were u on Apollo. I tried to get on Betway and their casino isnt loading. So had to play my first game at my trusty Ladbrokes..
What makes me laugh is when they get someone to clean the wheel half way through a dealers round. As if to say something has to be wrong here too many people are winning.
Had 6 patterns complete -_- lol typical. Got +1 of the matrix tho.
Try again later!
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 23, 01:08 AM 2018
This is what I am going to start doing after i win another couple of hundred units.
I will track all three even bets and play as Dr Sudoku suggests. 1 2 on the first two steps. BUT I will play a continuous progression of 1 2 4 8 16 32. If needed until I win or hit a rare loss.
Because in over 900 results for all three even chances. A double loss and then the last remaining even chance winning on the third step has only happened ONCE.
What this means is if I had played this progression 1 2 4 8 16 32 Total 63 units.
Across 930 games. Or 310 possible wins. Its only busted ONCE. Leaving 247 units of profit.
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you Sentinel3 for your sharing.
I wish and I request all to please make an excel sheet to auto track all 3 even chances for original PB method.
Thanks.
Just a thought...same idea but on the dozens.
AAA
BBB
CCC
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:10 - 10:25)
29 14 28
5 30 4
3 5 12 ***AAA
12 9 32
18 32 31
28 1 29
16 30 35
19 11 12
26 21 24
28 0 19
7 29 13
8 10 12
25 19 0
21 4 14
24 0 24
31 10 4
15 3 19
34 8 23
26 4 13
11 18 2
7 36 28
24 22 13***BBB (CCC TRIG bet A+B)
23 W+1.
Won = 1st
Spins = 67
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Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 23, 04:37 AM 2018
Just a thought...same idea but on the dozens.
AAA
BBB
CCC
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:10 - 10:25)
29 14 28
5 30 4
3 5 12 ***AAA
12 9 32
18 32 31
28 1 29
16 30 35
19 11 12
26 21 24
28 0 19
7 29 13
8 10 12
25 19 0
21 4 14
24 0 24
31 10 4
15 3 19
34 8 23
26 4 13
11 18 2
7 36 28
24 22 13***BBB (CCC TRIG bet A+B)
23 W+1.
Won = 1st
Spins = 67
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Good one, more testing needed. thanks for sharing it.
Playing the AAA BBB CCC dozens bets. Tests so far!
Hit = 1st
Spins = 67
No bet after 114 spins. (No more data)
Spins = 70
Hit = 1st
Spins = 50
Hit = 2nd
Spins = 7
Hit = 1st
Spins = 25
Hit = 1st
Just played a real session. Results!
LLL. = Won 2nd. (32spins)
OEE = Won 1st. (34spins)
CCC (A,B). = Won 1st (67spins)
Total profit = +3 units.
Spins at table = 67
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Soon as i won on the first even chance bets i decided to not play on the third (it actually lost so good decision)
Soon as i won on the first dozens bet i decided not to play the columns bet. (Didn't stay to see if that would of won or lost)
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Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 23, 04:37 AM 2018
Just a thought...same idea but on the dozens.
AAA
BBB
CCC
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:10 - 10:25)
29 14 28
5 30 4
3 5 12 ***AAA
12 9 32
18 32 31
28 1 29
16 30 35
19 11 12
26 21 24
28 0 19
7 29 13
8 10 12
25 19 0
21 4 14
24 0 24
31 10 4
15 3 19
34 8 23
26 4 13
11 18 2
7 36 28
24 22 13***BBB (CCC TRIG bet A+B)
23 W+1.
Won = 1st
Spins = 67
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I am asking this question just to be sure.
I will stick with your above example.
You wait for AAA and once that happens, you then wait for BBB. Once you get that, you immediately bet A plus B for the next three spins hoping that CCC does not happen.
Is that right?
Yes that correct DOCTORSUDOKU thats worth tests. So far i can see it can take 6 spins to get a bet or sometimes 100+ spins.
This topic, rather no longer applies to this strategy, but whether hitnrun works.
I'm sure that it does not work on the RNG, because even if we close the sessions, the software will at some point continue to drive the previous session.
On live wheels is a bit different, we have to get caught by the law of large numbers, because we know that the strategy in longrun should lose.
If we were to believe that the hitn run is running, there is no point in using such time-consuming strategies.
The simplest method is matrix
5 EC, we play against pattern formed, I would add 1 virtual lose.
R B R R B we play against this formation, if the next EC is R play against 2, 3.4 positions use progression 1 1 3.
Now comes the use of hitnrun, if it really works, we only play 3 triggers on a given wheel per session , we can even limit 1 triger by wheel.
Test so far on the dozens way
Sessions = 13
W = 7
LW = 6
LLW = 0
Profit +13
Im searching for a LLL 😂
Anyone had one yet on the dozens?
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 23, 09:39 PM 2018
Im searching for a LLL 😂
Anyone had one yet on the dozens?
It is a double dozen bet -- so don't worry, they (the losses) will come.
Be careful what you wish for. >:D >:D
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 23, 09:56 PM 2018
It is a double dozen bet -- so don't worry, they (the losses) will come.
Be careful what you wish for. >:D >:D
Agree 100% Dr. Double dozen bets unless limited can destroy your bankroll faster than anything.
You can win good. But one bad losing run and all the good work can be wiped out.
Very true!! Looks 💪 tho
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 23, 10:04 PM 2018
Very true!! Looks 💪 tho
I didnt really get your systen Apolloo. You say you wait for three
AAA on the columns. Then when that pattern happens. You bet using
11 33 99
That BBB Doesnt happen immediately afterwards?
Or if BBB hits you then bet against CCC
Happening immediately afterwards?
3 1 34
8 25 20
17 6 1
6 4 10 AAA
31 33 35 CCC. *BET A+C for BBB not to form next
3 W+1
_________
0 13 18
34 35 7
0 30 12
13 1 14
8 4 28
13 8 24
26 21 16
9 21 2
34 13 12
30 2 25
24 3 1
15 24 21 ***BBB.
33 21 19
0 3 18
22 22 26
33 34 33*** CCC (trig AAA bet BC)
2 33 W+1
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 23, 10:22 PM 2018
3 1 34
8 25 20
17 6 1
6 4 10 AAA
31 33 35 CCC. *BET A+C for BBB not to form next
3 W+1
Okay so the trigger is
AAA
BBB
Then you oppose.
CCC.
Do you track both dozens and columns for this Apolloo to get a faster turnover. Or just Dozens? As like you said. It can take a while to get that trigger.
Yes iv gone back over the tests and played the columns aswel.
I was thinking...
If get a trigger for dozens bet 1-1, 3-3. (+1 or -8)
If lose LL
then when the column's trig comes bet 4-4, 12-12 (+4 To recover half your loss)
If they all lose its -40u
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 23, 10:32 PM 2018
Yes iv gone back over the tests and played the columns aswel.
I was thinking...
If get a trigger for dozens bet 1-1, 3-3. (+1 or -8)
If lose LL
then when the column's trig comes bet 4-4, 12-12 (+4 To recover half your loss)
If they all lose its -40u
Interesting. Keep us updated when you have a 100 games under your belt Apolloo. If this holds up for a couple of 100. I may use it.
Sure ill keep you updated. If anyone gets time to test and give some results too. It all adds up to the stats. Its very easy to do a quick test as just looking for AAA BBB CCC 👍
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 23, 10:42 PM 2018
Sure ill keep you updated. If anyone gets time to test and give some results too. It all adds up to the stats. Its very easy to do a quick test as just looking for AAA BBB CCC 👍
What I will do from now on is track this when im playing PATTERN BREAKER and 3 STRIKES. The name ive given Altlantis's excellent HL-OE system.
Be careful what you wish for!!! The loss came haha.
Recovered ok tho.
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:00 - 09:00)
19 3 15
0 15 29
26 34 5
15 30 1
17 30 13
26 6 9
12 6 18 (333)
31 27 14
15 19 31
5 5 26 (222) bet 2,3
3 16 23 W+1 (1st)
10 28 28
9 15 5
0 31 16
2 23 28
3 34 28
30 24
5 1 11 (AAA)
25 13 11
27 33 2
35 31 23
6 5 1
2 7 17
25 33 6
17 23 14 (BBB) bet AB
8 32 12 W+1. (1st)
35 35 11 (222)
33 14 17
17 23 25
31 24 6
14 23 16 (BBB)
10 11 34
35 21 12
23 9 24
18 10 13
20 28 25
29 12 21
32 23 6
5 8 36
20 11 20
0 24 5
10 14 36
6 24 18 (333) BET 2,3
11 10 20 W+1 (1st)
Session +3
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Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:10 - 09:00)
8 27 24
21 28 6
7 17 24
9 11 7 (AAA)
24 11 14
8 21 8
26 26 23 (222)
8 27 17
2 27 15
36 6 18 (333) bet 2,3
0 15 11 w+1 (2nd)
28 14 13
11 25 10
0 20 11
30 10 32
18 36 24 (333)
28 19 30
28 6 32
2 23 21
20 3 18
1 25 27
23 18 32
5 15 17
28 31 27 (CCC) BET AC
24 13 17 LL-8 ##NEXT 4-4, 12-12
6 30 25
17 16 34
33 21 27
32 21 19
23 31 20
19 30 15
18 22 5
33 8 19
4 2 18
25 14 9
16 15 22
14 3 2
10 32 24
17 2 15
32 4 36
29 31 9
18 35 24
9 36 30
20 34 33
9 22 20
16 22 13
20 26 23 (222) bet 2,3
32 w+4
Session -3
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Still total profit +13 from 19 games
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 22, 09:38 AM 2018
Thank you Sentinel3 for your explanation.
I've been trying testing continuous games without waiting for patterns to form..
Recording results on each line horizontally.
Bet OPPOSITE of first 3 recorded results on each line.
Format: H/L - O/E - H/L H/L - O/E - H/L
Progression 1-2-3 = 6u risk.
Profit on first 2 steps = +1; Profit on 3rd step = +0
My target = +4 per game
EXAMPLE GAMES PLAYED JUST NOW:
===============================
HOH HEL w2nd
HOH LOH w1st
HOH LEH w1st
LEL LEH w3rd
LOL HEH w1st
w+4
LEL HEH w1st
LEL LEH w3rd
HOL LEH w1st
HEL LOH w1st
LEL HEL w1st
w+4
HEL LOL w1st
HEL HOH w2nd
LOH HEH w1st
HEL LOL w1st
w+4
LEH LEH L-6
LEH HOH w1st
HEL LEL w1st
HEH HEL w3rd
HOL LEL w1st
LEL LOL w2nd
HOL HOH w3rd
LEL HOL w1st
HEH HOL w2nd
LEL HOH w1st
HOL LOH w1st
LEH LOL w2nd
LOH HEH w1st
w+4
HOH LOL w1st
HEH HOH w2nd
LOH LEH w2nd
HOL HEH w2nd
w+4
LEH LEH L-6
LEL HOH w1st
LEL LOL w2nd
LEH LOL w2nd
HEH HOL w2nd
LEH LOL w2nd
LOH LEL w2nd
LOH HOH w1st
HOL LEH w1st
HOH LOL w1st
HEL LOH w1st
w+4
HEH LEL w1st
LEL HOL w1st
HEL HOL w2nd
HEL HOL w2nd
w+4
HOH LOL w1st
LEL HEL w1st
LOL LOH w3rd
LEL LOH w2nd
HEH LOH w1st
w+4
LOH LEH w2nd
LOH LOH L-6
LOH LEL w2nd
HEH HEL w3rd
LEL HOL w1st
HOL LOL w1st
LOH HOL w1st
LEH LOL w1st
HEH HOL w2nd
LOL LOH w3rd
LEL LOH w2nd
LEH HOH w1st
HOL LOH w1st
w+4
LOH LEL w2nd
HEH LOL w1st
LEL HOL w1st
HOL LEL w1st
w+4
At first try it doesn't seem too shabby...?
A.
Hi is this correct way your playing??
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:00 - 09:00)
19 3 15 HOL. Bet LEH. W+1 3rd
0 15 29
26 34 5 HEL. Bet. LOH. W+1 1st
15 30 1 LEL. Bet. HOH. L-6
17 30 13 LEL. Bet. HOH. W+1 1st
26 6 9 HEL. Bet. LOH. W+1 1st
12 6 18 LEH. Bet. HOL. W+1. 2nd
31 27 14 HOL. Bet. LEH. W+1 1st
15 19 31 LOH. Bet. HEL. L-6
5 5 26 LOH. Bet. HEL. W+1 2nd
3 16 23 LEH. Bet. HOL. L-6
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 23, 11:39 PM 2018
Be careful what you wish for!!! The loss came haha.
Recovered ok tho.
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:00 - 09:00)
19 3 15
0 15 29
26 34 5
15 30 1
17 30 13
26 6 9
12 6 18 (333)
31 27 14
15 19 31
5 5 26 (222) bet 2,3
3 16 23 W+1 (1st)
10 28 28
9 15 5
0 31 16
2 23 28
3 34 28
30 24
5 1 11 (AAA)
25 13 11
27 33 2
35 31 23
6 5 1
2 7 17
25 33 6
17 23 14 (BBB) bet AB
8 32 12 W+1. (1st)
35 35 11 (222)
33 14 17
17 23 25
31 24 6
14 23 16 (BBB)
10 11 34
35 21 12
23 9 24
18 10 13
20 28 25
29 12 21
32 23 6
5 8 36
20 11 20
0 24 5
10 14 36
6 24 18 (333) BET 2,3
11 10 20 W+1 (1st)
Session +3
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Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:10 - 09:00)
8 27 24
21 28 6
7 17 24
9 11 7 (AAA)
24 11 14
8 21 8
26 26 23 (222)
8 27 17
2 27 15
36 6 18 (333) bet 2,3
0 15 11 w+1 (2nd)
28 14 13
11 25 10
0 20 11
30 10 32
18 36 24 (333)
28 19 30
28 6 32
2 23 21
20 3 18
1 25 27
23 18 32
5 15 17
28 31 27 (CCC) BET AC
24 13 17 LL-8 ##NEXT 4-4, 12-12
6 30 25
17 16 34
33 21 27
32 21 19
23 31 20
19 30 15
18 22 5
33 8 19
4 2 18
25 14 9
16 15 22
14 3 2
10 32 24
17 2 15
32 4 36
29 31 9
18 35 24
9 36 30
20 34 33
9 22 20
16 22 13
20 26 23 (222) bet 2,3
32 w+4
Session -3
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Still total profit +13 from 19 games
Something im not getting here Apolloo. In the line you have
17-23-14 (BBB)
What does bet AB mean?
Shouldnt it be bet against CCC
AB means bet AB betting against CCC
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 24, 12:23 AM 2018
AB means bet AB betting against CCC
Okay sorry for the blonde moment lol.
This really is a system of patience. Even more needed than Pattern Breaker. But if it wins longterm its worth it.
True true its just good to have two things playing at once to make sessions shorter but yeah both can recover pritty well if up the stake for 1 game after.
The EC pattern breaker is good playing all 3 at once 1,2,3 then if say RB loses up it to 3,6,12 for it next game to recover half its loss. Maybe i should just have confidence with that and play that way.
Also do you suggest if we get a win on first two even chances would you not play the third? or would just play it and if it loses then up the stake on that particular EC next game to recover a little?
Sentinel,
Do you track all three even chances SIMULTANEOUSLY when playing Pattern Breaker? What do you do when you have more than one trigger appear more or less at the same time? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are doing exactly.
My approach is to start out targeting R/B, then for the next game I switch over to O/E, and then H/L, and so on and so forth. Of course, as I have mentioned before I do not play more than two games back to back.
I'm also experimenting with my results using Oscar's Grind (PLUSCOUP)
I'm not using the 1-2-3 progression this time.
I start with a 3 step level FLAT progression 1-1-1. Stop at a win.
I only increase stake if I am BEHIND after the line is complete and the last result was a WIN.
I reduce stake to 1-1-1 when at LEVEL HIGH or AHEAD depending on the balance at the end of betting on a line.
Example: On the 4th line down below I have staked 3 times and won on the third step bet: 1L-1L-1W
The bank stands at +1 (I am thus behind the highest reached of +2*)
Since the last result was a win I now increase the stake level for the next round +1 to 2-2-2
* = highest bank so far
HOH HEL w2nd +0* stay@1u
HOH LOH w1st +1*
HOH LEH w1st +2*
LEL LEH w3rd +1 up to 2u
LOL HEH w1st +3* down to 1u
LEL HEH w1st +4*
LEL LEH w3rd +3 up to 2u
HOL LEH w1st +5* down to 1u
HEL LOH w1st +6*
LEL HEL w1st +7*
HEL LOL w1st +8*
HEL HOH w2nd +8* stay@1u
LOH HEH w1st +9*
HEL LOL w1st +10*
LEH LEH LLL +7
LEH HOH w1st +8 up to 2u
HEL LEL w1st +10* down to 1u
HEH HEL w3rd +9 up to 2u
HOL LEL w1st +11* down to 1u
LEL LOL w2nd +11* stay@1u
HOL HOH w3rd +10 up to 2u
LEL HOL w1st +12* down to 1u
HEH HOL w2nd +12* stay@1u
LEL HOH w1st +13*
HOL LOH w1st +14*
LEH LOL w2nd +14* stay@1u
LOH HEH w1st +15*
HOH LOL w1st +16*
HEH HOH w2nd +16* stay@1u
LOH LEH w2nd +16* stay@1u
HOL HEH w2nd +16* stay@1u
LEH LEH LLL +13
LEL HOH w1st +14 up to 2u
LEL LOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LEH LOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
HEH HOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LEH LOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LOH LEL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LOH HOH w1st +16* down to 1u
HOL LEH w1st +17*
HOH LOL w1st +18*
HEL LOH w1st +19*
HEH LEL w1st +20*
LEL HOL w1st +21*
HEL HOL w2nd +21* stay@1u
HEL HOL w2nd +21* stay@1u
HOH LOL w1st +22*
LEL HEL w1st +23*
LOL LOH w3rd +22 up to 2u
LEL LOH w2nd +22 stay@2u
HEH LOH w1st +24*down to 1u
LOH LEH w2nd +24*
LOH LOH LLL +21
LOH LEL w2nd +21 up to 2u
HEH HEL w3rd +19 up to 3u
LEL HOL w1st +22 stay@3u
HOL LOL w1st +25* down to 1u
LOH HOL w1st +26*
LEH LOL w1st +27*
HEH HOL w2nd +27* stay@1u
LOL LOH w3rd +26 up to 2u
LEL LOH w2nd +26 stay@2u
LEH HOH w1st +28* down to 1u
HOL LOH w1st +29*
LOH LEL w2nd +29*stay@1u
HEH LOL w1st +30*
LEL HOL w1st +31*
HOL LEL w1st +32*
+32u
This way the profit may be less than before but because of the 3-step FLAT stake there is no increasing bet until a win occurs...
For instance:
HEL HEL = L1-L1-L1 -3
LOL LOL = L1-L1-L1 -6
HEL LOH = w1 -5 (I'm behind and since last was a win I go up to 2-2-2)
I'm not sure how it will pan out yet... Idea is to make a few units and end session.
:)
Should point out - it's important- I'm playing on a low limit LIVE auto-roulette with LE PARTAGE (half-stake returns on 0)
IF i get a 0 during the betting phase I take the half-loss and repeat the last bet. I might make a slight loss over the round...
I don't record the zero.
A.
Atlantis that looks like a good safe way of playing. Im testing playing like this.
1,2,4 if LLL go to 4,8,16 for next game for the EC that lost then back down to 1,2,4.
LLL
LLL
loss -35 units
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Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:10 - 09:00)
HHH*. RRR. EEE*
LLL.* BBB*. OOO*
HLH. RBR.* EOE*
LHL*. BRB*. OEO
HHL*. RRB.* EEO*
LLH.* BBR.* OOE*
HLL*. RBB.* EOO*
LHH* BRR.* OEE*
8 27 24
21 28 6
7 17 24
9 11 7
24 11 14
8 21 8
26 26 23 (LHL)
8 27 17 W+1
2 27 15
36 6 18 (EOE)
0 15 11 W+1
28 14 13
11 25 10
0 20 11
30 10 32
18 36 24
28 19 30 (BBB)
28 6 32 W+1
+3
______________
HHH*. RRR*. EEE*
LLL. BBB* OOO*
HLH*. RBR.* EOE
LHL.* BRB* OEO*
HHL*. RRB* EEO*
LLH*. BBR.* OOE*
HLL* RBB. EOO*
LHH*. BRR.* OEE*
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (05:50 - 09:00)
4 4 36
29 21 22
5 22 34
5 0 10
13 19 7
31 17 2
31 26 22
22 19 1
34 16 8
9 3 25 (BRR)
5 22 14 W+1
13 15 21
18 30 4
13 32 3
13 1 21
28 34 16
13 14 21
21 6 23 (HHH)
6 23 9 W+1
19 27 4
17 31 30
4 13 19
5 24 1
16 22 10
30 20 15 (OEO)
27 20 19 W+1
+3
_____________
HHH. RRR* EEE*
LLL.* BBB* OOO*
HLH*. RBR*. EOE*
LHL*. BRB* OEO*
HHL* RRB* EEO*
LLH*. BBR.* OOE*
HLL* RBB. EOO
LHH*. BRR*. OEE*
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:00 - 09:00)
19 3 15
0 15 29
26 34 5
15 30 1
17 30 13
26 6 9
12 6 18
31 27 14
15 19 31
5 5 26
3 16 23
10 28 28 (BRR)
9 15 5 W+1
0 31 16
2 23 28
3 34 28 (OEE)
30 24 5 W+1
1 11 25
13 11 27
33 2 35 (LLL)
31 23 6 W+1
+3
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Quote from: atlantis on Jan 24, 07:45 AM 2018
I'm also experimenting with my results using Oscar's Grind (PLUSCOUP)
I'm not using the 1-2-3 progression this time.
I start with a 3 step level FLAT progression 1-1-1. Stop at a win.
I only increase stake if I am BEHIND after the line is complete and the last result was a WIN.
I reduce stake to 1-1-1 when at LEVEL HIGH or AHEAD depending on the balance at the end of betting on a line.
Example: On the 4th line down below I have staked 3 times and won on the third step bet: 1L-1L-1W
The bank stands at +1 (I am thus behind the highest reached of +2*)
Since the last result was a win I now increase the stake level for the next round +1 to 2-2-2
* = highest bank so far
HOH HEL w2nd +0* stay@1u
HOH LOH w1st +1*
HOH LEH w1st +2*
LEL LEH w3rd +1 up to 2u
LOL HEH w1st +3* down to 1u
LEL HEH w1st +4*
LEL LEH w3rd +3 up to 2u
HOL LEH w1st +5* down to 1u
HEL LOH w1st +6*
LEL HEL w1st +7*
HEL LOL w1st +8*
HEL HOH w2nd +8* stay@1u
LOH HEH w1st +9*
HEL LOL w1st +10*
LEH LEH LLL +7
LEH HOH w1st +8 up to 2u
HEL LEL w1st +10* down to 1u
HEH HEL w3rd +9 up to 2u
HOL LEL w1st +11* down to 1u
LEL LOL w2nd +11* stay@1u
HOL HOH w3rd +10 up to 2u
LEL HOL w1st +12* down to 1u
HEH HOL w2nd +12* stay@1u
LEL HOH w1st +13*
HOL LOH w1st +14*
LEH LOL w2nd +14* stay@1u
LOH HEH w1st +15*
HOH LOL w1st +16*
HEH HOH w2nd +16* stay@1u
LOH LEH w2nd +16* stay@1u
HOL HEH w2nd +16* stay@1u
LEH LEH LLL +13
LEL HOH w1st +14 up to 2u
LEL LOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LEH LOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
HEH HOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LEH LOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LOH LEL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LOH HOH w1st +16* down to 1u
HOL LEH w1st +17*
HOH LOL w1st +18*
HEL LOH w1st +19*
HEH LEL w1st +20*
LEL HOL w1st +21*
HEL HOL w2nd +21* stay@1u
HEL HOL w2nd +21* stay@1u
HOH LOL w1st +22*
LEL HEL w1st +23*
LOL LOH w3rd +22 up to 2u
LEL LOH w2nd +22 stay@2u
HEH LOH w1st +24*down to 1u
LOH LEH w2nd +24*
LOH LOH LLL +21
LOH LEL w2nd +21 up to 2u
HEH HEL w3rd +19 up to 3u
LEL HOL w1st +22 stay@3u
HOL LOL w1st +25* down to 1u
LOH HOL w1st +26*
LEH LOL w1st +27*
HEH HOL w2nd +27* stay@1u
LOL LOH w3rd +26 up to 2u
LEL LOH w2nd +26 stay@2u
LEH HOH w1st +28* down to 1u
HOL LOH w1st +29*
LOH LEL w2nd +29*stay@1u
HEH LOL w1st +30*
LEL HOL w1st +31*
HOL LEL w1st +32*
+32u
This way the profit may be less than before but because of the 3-step FLAT stake there is no increasing bet until a win occurs...
For instance:
HEL HEL = L1-L1-L1 -3
LOL LOL = L1-L1-L1 -6
HEL LOH = w1 -5 (I'm behind and since last was a win I go up to 2-2-2)
I'm not sure how it will pan out yet... Idea is to make a few units and end session.
:)
Should point out - it's important- I'm playing on a low limit LIVE auto-roulette with LE PARTAGE (half-stake returns on 0)
IF i get a 0 during the betting phase I take the half-loss and repeat the last bet. I might make a slight loss over the round...
I don't record the zero.
A.
If you played 1,2,4 then after a LLL go to 4,8,16 for one bet after the loss. Your total profit would of been +53.
But higher risk and stake needed.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 24, 01:11 AM 2018
The EC pattern breaker is good playing all 3 at once 1,2,3 then if say RB loses up it to 3,6,12 for it next game to recover half its loss. Maybe i should just have confidence with that and play that way.
Also do you suggest if we get a win on first two even chances would you not play the third? or would just play it and if it loses then up the stake on that particular EC next game to recover a little?
It works Apolloo. I dont think I will ever see an entire set lose in my lifetime.
1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256=501
Thats the price to turn pattern breaker into this so called holy grail everyone yearns for.
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 24, 07:45 AM 2018
I'm also experimenting with my results using Oscar's Grind (PLUSCOUP)
I'm not using the 1-2-3 progression this time.
I start with a 3 step level FLAT progression 1-1-1. Stop at a win.
I only increase stake if I am BEHIND after the line is complete and the last result was a WIN.
I reduce stake to 1-1-1 when at LEVEL HIGH or AHEAD depending on the balance at the end of betting on a line.
Example: On the 4th line down below I have staked 3 times and won on the third step bet: 1L-1L-1W
The bank stands at +1 (I am thus behind the highest reached of +2*)
Since the last result was a win I now increase the stake level for the next round +1 to 2-2-2
* = highest bank so far
HOH HEL w2nd +0* stay@1u
HOH LOH w1st +1*
HOH LEH w1st +2*
LEL LEH w3rd +1 up to 2u
LOL HEH w1st +3* down to 1u
LEL HEH w1st +4*
LEL LEH w3rd +3 up to 2u
HOL LEH w1st +5* down to 1u
HEL LOH w1st +6*
LEL HEL w1st +7*
HEL LOL w1st +8*
HEL HOH w2nd +8* stay@1u
LOH HEH w1st +9*
HEL LOL w1st +10*
LEH LEH LLL +7
LEH HOH w1st +8 up to 2u
HEL LEL w1st +10* down to 1u
HEH HEL w3rd +9 up to 2u
HOL LEL w1st +11* down to 1u
LEL LOL w2nd +11* stay@1u
HOL HOH w3rd +10 up to 2u
LEL HOL w1st +12* down to 1u
HEH HOL w2nd +12* stay@1u
LEL HOH w1st +13*
HOL LOH w1st +14*
LEH LOL w2nd +14* stay@1u
LOH HEH w1st +15*
HOH LOL w1st +16*
HEH HOH w2nd +16* stay@1u
LOH LEH w2nd +16* stay@1u
HOL HEH w2nd +16* stay@1u
LEH LEH LLL +13
LEL HOH w1st +14 up to 2u
LEL LOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LEH LOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
HEH HOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LEH LOL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LOH LEL w2nd +14 stay@2u
LOH HOH w1st +16* down to 1u
HOL LEH w1st +17*
HOH LOL w1st +18*
HEL LOH w1st +19*
HEH LEL w1st +20*
LEL HOL w1st +21*
HEL HOL w2nd +21* stay@1u
HEL HOL w2nd +21* stay@1u
HOH LOL w1st +22*
LEL HEL w1st +23*
LOL LOH w3rd +22 up to 2u
LEL LOH w2nd +22 stay@2u
HEH LOH w1st +24*down to 1u
LOH LEH w2nd +24*
LOH LOH LLL +21
LOH LEL w2nd +21 up to 2u
HEH HEL w3rd +19 up to 3u
LEL HOL w1st +22 stay@3u
HOL LOL w1st +25* down to 1u
LOH HOL w1st +26*
LEH LOL w1st +27*
HEH HOL w2nd +27* stay@1u
LOL LOH w3rd +26 up to 2u
LEL LOH w2nd +26 stay@2u
LEH HOH w1st +28* down to 1u
HOL LOH w1st +29*
LOH LEL w2nd +29*stay@1u
HEH LOL w1st +30*
LEL HOL w1st +31*
HOL LEL w1st +32*
+32u
This way the profit may be less than before but because of the 3-step FLAT stake there is no increasing bet until a win occurs...
For instance:
HEL HEL = L1-L1-L1 -3
LOL LOL = L1-L1-L1 -6
HEL LOH = w1 -5 (I'm behind and since last was a win I go up to 2-2-2)
I'm not sure how it will pan out yet... Idea is to make a few units and end session.
:)
Should point out - it's important- I'm playing on a low limit LIVE auto-roulette with LE PARTAGE (half-stake returns on 0)
IF i get a 0 during the betting phase I take the half-loss and repeat the last bet. I might make a slight loss over the round...
I don't record the zero.
A.
Thats a hell of a run Atlantis
Were they played consecutively?
Ive been playing sessions of 4. But monitoring a further 16 games. The longest win streak I be having so far is 12 games. Still very good. And after a loss I always win enough games to recover before another loss hits.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 24, 10:09 AM 2018
Thats a hell of a run Atlantis
Were they played consecutively?
Ive been playing sessions of 4. But monitoring a further 16 games. The longest win streak I be having so far is 12 games. Still very good. And after a loss I always win enough games to recover before another loss hits.
Yes, sentinel3. They were indeed consecutive (the results are simply all my +4 sessions joined together from the earlier results - but they were played consecutively without any breaks at all)
You can see there were 3 single lines of LLL's in that little lot - but notice nicely spaced apart not to do much damage at all esp. with this flat progression I used.... The first outright loss occurred at line 15; then 32; then 53 out of the total 68 recorded lines.
There were 0 back to back line losses.
In practice I would end a session when reaching +4 if possible. Maybe play hit and run; 3 or 4 sessions per day?
:)
I'm glad you think it of interest. I don't think any need for large progressions with this.
A.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 24, 03:02 AM 2018
Sentinel,
Do you track all three even chances SIMULTANEOUSLY when playing Pattern Breaker? What do you do when you have more than one trigger appear more or less at the same time? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are doing exactly.
My approach is to start out targeting R/B, then for the next game I switch over to O/E, and then H/L, and so on and so forth. Of course, as I have mentioned before I do not play more than two games back to back.
Hi Doctor it depends on the circumstances.
Lets says ODD EVEN is the first to qualify and loses. Im then very confident that at least one of the remaining even chances will win
Very likely both. So if they qualified at the same time. I will play them both together.
This happened to me yesterday. RED BLACK lost so I played both the other two which qualified together.
HIGH LOW WON STEP 2. ODD EVEN WON STEP 1. And I recovered most of my loss on red black right there.
If however I win the first game and then that happens I would not play them.
Im working on the premise that its going to be extremely rare to lose an entire set in the same session.
This is the aspect of Pattern breaker that may make it invincible.
It would take 501 units to cover a 9 step progression. But it would probably never lose.
I have 350 sets of 3 recorded now. And only 4 of them even have a double loss.
Another thing Dr. There are only 18 sets out of those those 350. Where at least 1 even chance didnt win on step 1.
This stuff fascinates me.
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 24, 10:26 AM 2018
Yes, sentinel3. They were indeed consecutive (the results are simply all my +4 sessions joined together from the earlier results - but they were played consecutively without any breaks at all)
You can see there were 3 single lines of LLL's in that little lot - but notice nicely spaced apart not to do much damage at all esp. with this flat progression I used.... The first outright loss occurred at line 15; then 32; then 53 out of the total 68 recorded lines.
There were 0 back to back line losses.
In practice I would end a session when reaching +4 if possible. Maybe play hit and run; 3 or 4 sessions per day?
:)
I'm glad you think it of interest. I don't think any need for large progressions with this.
A.
No large progressions at all Atlantis. Im actually playing for a win on all three steps pattern breaker style.
Because this has excellent winning streaks and you can recover fast.
And playing for 4 wins then stop. Im 44/2 now. Its so good.
This should be taken seriously by a lot of people. Its very solid. And overall I can never see this losing money like PB its strong. So im making it a serious part of my 5000 units by July quest.
I made 16 units profit with it today. To compliment 10 units i made from pattern breaker. Im so excited to have two strong systems in my bag now. People need to take 3 strikes seriously.
Hi sentinel3,
Yes - I like the name 3 STRIKES EC.
Anyhow, I couldn't resist playing my first real money session with the revised "safer"? progression...
Target = +4
LEL HOL w1 +1 +1*
LEH LEL L1;L1;w1 -1 +0 u to 2
LOL HEH w2 +2 +2* d to 1
LOL LEH L1;w1 +0 +2* stay@1
HOH HEL L1;w1 +0 +2* stay@1
LOL HEH w1 +1 +3*
LOH HOH w1 +1 +4* STOP
+4
"Softly Softly catchee monkey". Patience is a virtue. :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 24, 11:29 AM 2018
Hi sentinel3,
Yes - I like the name 3 STRIKES EC.
Anyhow, I couldn't resist playing my first real money session with the revised "safer"? progression...
Target = +4
LEL HOL w1 +1 +1*
LEH LEL L1;L1;w1 -1 +0 u to 2
LOL HEH w2 +2 +2* d to 1
LOL LEH L1;w1 +0 +2* stay@1
HOH HEL L1;w1 +0 +2* stay@1
LOL HEH w1 +1 +3*
LOH HOH w1 +1 +4* STOP
+4
"Softly Softly catchee monkey". Patience is a virtue. :)
A.
I call it 3 STRIKES lol. But its a winner for sure Atlantis. Youve nailed it with this one. Im only playing for pounds at the minute.
Once ive got a couple 100 quid under my belt. Say 7 banks of 30. I will play 5 pound units 5 10 15.
Then it gets serious. I just tracked 15 games didnt play them on paddy power after my betting was over. And they all won. Said damn should have been on that. But youve still got to have discipline. Until the banks big. No sloppy betting.
Im gonna stay with 4 times 4 a day until I have my 210 units. Only playing more than 4 in a session if I am trying to recover a loss.
Hello Sentinel, I would like to play 3 Strike method myself, but I am a bit confused on the actual way of playing it.
Could you please pinpoint the steps. Thanks
Quote from: romano0327 on Jan 24, 02:57 PM 2018
Hello Sentinel, I would like to play 3 Strike method myself, but I am a bit confused on the actual way of playing it.
Could you please pinpoint the steps. Thanks
Hi 3 STRIKES is a wonderful system created by Atlantis.
These are the basic steps as I understand them.
1. You record three numbers from left to right as follows. Example below
Then you bet against the High low odd even pattern they make.
So in the case of these three numbers it be HEL. So you now bet LOH.
But you stop at a win. So lets say number 16 hits on the 4th spin.
33-22-05🌍16= win game over.
You now complete that line with two more spins and record another three spins. For your second game. As in example below. And repeat the process. So for your second game you
Would bet HOH. And stop at a win
Using 1-2-3 progression risk 6u.
The idea is you make 1 unit profit if you win on the first two steps. And break even if you win on the third step.
33-22-05🌍16-30-01
18-28-14🌍
I would play for a max of 4 games then stop the session and come back later for another one. Or go to another site if online.
In my testing most losses dont come in the first 4 games. They come between 5 and 20 games. So keeping sessions shorter makes sense.
Hope you understand most of that..any more questions please ask.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 24, 04:25 PM 2018
Hi 3 STRIKES is a wonderful system created by Atlantis.
These are the basic steps as I understand them.
1. You record three numbers from left to right as follows. Example below
Then you bet against the High low odd even pattern they make.
So in the case of these three numbers it be HEL. So you now bet LOH.
But you stop at a win. So lets say number 16 hits on the 4th spin.
33-22-05🌍16= win game over.
You now complete that line with two more spins and record another three spins. For your second game. As in example below. And repeat the process. So for your second game you
Would bet HOH. And stop at a win
Using 1-2-3 progression risk 6u.
The idea is you make 1 unit profit if you win on the first two steps. And break even if you win on the third step.
33-22-05🌍16-30-01
18-28-14🌍
I would play for a max of 4 games then stop the session and come back later for another one. Or go to another site if online.
In my testing most losses dont come in the first 4 games. They come between 5 and 20 games. So keeping sessions shorter makes sense.
Hope you understand most of that..any more questions please ask.
Sentinel,
What are the statistics showing for this method?
Do most of the wins come on the first two spins?
If that is the case, then I will do here what I have been doing with Pattern Breaker.
I will ditch the 1 2 3 progression and just target the first two spins with a 1 2 progression. ;D ;D
Also, how about trying the other combinations, like R/B with H/L? Or R/B with O/E?
Who knows they might have better strike rates. Only testing with real spins can show that.
so atlantis twist here is
high/low, odd/even, high/low
then bet against that sequence
so if HEL
next 3 spins bet LOH stop on a win?
Sentinel thank you very much for taking the time to explain, that was a perfectly understood, do you think this will hold up as a long term winner?
Hi is this correct way your playing??
I think it is but a rare bad little run
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:00 - 09:00)
19 3 15 HOL. Bet LEH. W+1 3rd
0 15 29
26 34 5 HEL. Bet. LOH. W+1 1st
15 30 1 LEL. Bet. HOH. L-6
17 30 13 LEL. Bet. HOH. W+1 1st
26 6 9 HEL. Bet. LOH. W+1 1st
12 6 18 LEH. Bet. HOL. W+1. 2nd
31 27 14 HOL. Bet. LEH. W+1 1st
15 19 31 LOH. Bet. HEL. L-6
5 5 26 LOH. Bet. HEL. W+1 2nd
3 16 23 LEH. Bet. HOL. L-6
Sorry if confusing but just played two at once.
H/L - O/E - H/L
AND
R/B - H/L - R/B
8 27 24
LOH BHB bet HEL + RLR
21 28 6 W(1st) W(1st)
HEL. RHB. bet LOH + BLR
7 17 24 W(1st). W(1st)
LOH. RLB. bet.HEL + BHR
9 11 7 W(1st). W(3rd)
LOL. RLR. bet. HEH + BHB
24 11 14 W(1st). W(1st)
+8u
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:10 - 09:00)
8 27 24
LOH BHB bet HEL + RLR
21 28 6 W(1st) W(1st)
HEL. RHB. bet LOH + BLR
7 17 24 W(1st). W(1st)
LOH. RLB. bet.HEL + BHR
9 11 7 W(1st). W(3rd)
LOL. RLR. bet. HEH + BHB
24 11 14 W(1st). W(1st)
HOL. BLR. bet. LEH + RHB
8 21 8 W(1st). W(2nd)
LOL. BHB bet HEH + RLR
26 26 23 W(1st). W(3rd)
HEH. BHR bet LOL + RLB
8 27 17 W(1st) W(3rd)
LOL. BHB bet HEH + RLR
2 27 15 L(-7). L(-7)
Profit/loss +0
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 24, 06:26 PM 2018
Also, how about trying the other combinations, like R/B with H/L? Or R/B with O/E?
Who knows they might have better strike rates. Only testing with real spins can show that.
You are correct about the required test.
To properly conduct the test the spins must be on a rolling basis. Most test is done static, ie. it starts when the player is at the roulette table. However, playerA starts from spin1, playerB starts from spin2, playerC starts from spin3.....and so on. All these players will have different spin combination giving varying results.
A few months back I have done the tests on rolling basis with all varying combinations, eg. HOB, OBH, BHO and so on. The test use all 3 ECs.
The result did not give any indication of consistent advantage.
Quote from: cht on Jan 24, 11:01 PM 2018
You are correct about the required test.
To properly conduct the test the spins must be on a rolling basis. Most test is done static, ie. it starts when the player is at the roulette table. However, playerA starts from spin1, playerB starts from spin2, playerC starts from spin3.....and so on. All these players will have different spin combination giving varying results.
A few months back I have done the tests on rolling basis with all varying combinations, eg. HOB, OBH, BHO and so on. The test use all 3 ECs.
The result did not give any indication of consistent advantage.
It wouldn't be a problem to test 2ECs combination but the result will not be different imho.
Quote from: romano0327 on Jan 24, 08:15 PM 2018
Sentinel thank you very much for taking the time to explain, that was a perfectly understood, do you think this will hold up as a long term winner?
Yes i do. Just like pattern breaker. Its clever enough to give random the run around long enough for you to come in. Snatch some profit and go.
Atlantis's genius was to combine two even chances. And as long as you play for cycles of around 2 to 4 games a session. You are going to win at least double what you lose.
I have a 140 games recorded now. And just 11 losing games among them. If playing with the classic 1 2 4 prog. That be 60 units of profit. So 3 STRIKES has a similar win rate to pattern breaker. The difference is it has a faster turn over.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 24, 06:20 PM 2018
Sentinel,
What are the statistics showing for this method?
Do most of the wins come on the first two spins?
If that is the case, then I will do here what I have been doing with Pattern Breaker.
I will ditch the 1 2 3 progression and just target the first two spins with a 1 2 progression. ;D ;D
Yes Doctor, its similar like Pattern Breaker. But like Pattern breaker there are enough wins on the third step to justify playing it.
I have no problem risking 7 units on a game. Compared to how I once played thats very conservative. 3 STRIKES has a consistency similar to PB. Just faster turnover.
You could try all the even chance combinations. But what I like about 3 STRIKES. Is it uses two combined. And its working really good on HIGH LOW ODD EVEN.
So im not gonna tamper with a winning combo.
Im playing 4 games a session then shut down. So far im 49--3 doing this. If you play on beyond 4 games you will run into more losers.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 24, 08:12 PM 2018
so atlantis twist here is
high/low, odd/even, high/low
then bet against that sequence
so if HEL
next 3 spins bet LOH stop on a win?
Yes but you then wait for another three spins before you go again.
So its separated by 3. So if it were in a matrix this be how you play.
12-03-33
33-23-11 Bet won step 1
11-22-22
06-14-03 Bet won step 3
33-09-14
27-04-26 Bet won step 2
And so forth...
My real sessions so far!!
Day 1
HLL. 1st. +1
HLH. 1st. +1
Day 2
HHH. 2nd. +1
EOO. 1st. +1
Day 3
HHL. 1st. +1
BBB. 1st. +1
HHH. 1st. +1
BBB. Loss. -7
BRR. 2nd. +6. (6,12,24 recovery)
_______________
Profit/loss. +6
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 01:57 AM 2018
My real sessions so far!!
Day 1
HLL. 1st. +1
HLH. 1st. +1
Day 2
HHH. 2nd. +1
EOO. 1st. +1
Day 3
HHL. 1st. +1
BBB. 1st. +1
HHH. 1st. +1
BBB. Loss. -7
BRR. 2nd. +6. (6,12,24 recovery)
_______________
Profit/loss. +6
Is that PATTERN BREAKER OR 3 STRIKES Apolloo??
Hi sentinel3.
Pattern breaker!!
Its the only thing im playing for real atm. Just tests on all others.
*p.s hard for me to be disciplined playing roulette as was pritty bad addict years ago.. On the bookies roulette. But PB helping me and im sticking to the rules. :)
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 02:13 AM 2018
Hi sentinel3.
Pattern breaker!!
Its the only thing im playing for real atm. Just tests on all others.
Okay.
Just had a rare occurance.
Tracking spins for all even chances. HIGH LOW formed the first 7 patterns in 21 spins the minumum possible no repeaters.
So I risked double what I would normally bet on LLH the 8th pattern and it played out HLL. So a win on the first step.
In over a thousand games I now have recorded thats only the second time ive seen that. Ive never seen all 8 patterns form one after the other in 24 spins.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 25, 02:17 AM 2018
Okay.
Just had a rare occurance.
Tracking spins for all even chances. HIGH LOW formed the first 7 patterns in 21 spins the minumum possible no repeaters.
So I risked double what I would normally bet on LLH the 8th pattern and it played out HLL. So a win on the first step.
In over a thousand games I now have recorded thats only the second time ive seen that. Ive never seen all 8 patterns form one after the other in 24 spins.
Waw they be quick sessions them, hope i run into one. Ill probably double up first bets aswell.
Iv only seen no win so LLL on the R/B so far and both were betting BBB haha. Not that i have 100s of games played just thought id share.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 02:27 AM 2018
Waw they be quick sessions them, hope i run into one. Ill probably double up first bets aswell.
Iv only seen no win so LLL on the R/B so far and both were betting BBB haha. Not that i have 100s of games played just thought id share.
Thats the thing about tracking all 3 chances Apolloo. You will be more likely to get games qualify inside 40 spins more often.
Iv decided to just play on H/L and RB as it can get abit much to deal with all 3 even chances when tracking and betting at a 40 sec spin wheel.
?? Anyone else play just 2 of the even chances at same time and had them both lose within the same game?
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 02:27 AM 2018
Waw they be quick sessions them, hope i run into one. Ill probably double up first bets aswell.
Iv only seen no win so LLL on the R/B so far and both were betting BBB haha. Not that i have 100s of games played just thought id share.
This is how the complete set played out.
25/01/2018
Game 0640
HHH🛑(7)--(21 SPINS)
HHLâ– 4
HLLâ– 1
HLHâ– 2
LLLâ– 6
LLH🛑(8)---(HLL)-(STEP 1)
LHHâ– 5
LHLâ– 3
Game 0641
EEEâ– 1
EEOâ– 4
EOOâ– 3
EOE🛑(8)---(EOO)-(STEP 3)
OOO🛑(7)--(24 SPINS)
OOEâ– 2
OEEâ– 6
OEOâ– 5
Game 0642
RRRâ– 2
RRBâ– 4
RBBâ– 3
RBR🛑(8)---(RRR)-(STEP 2)
BBBâ– 1
BBRâ– 5
BRRâ– 6
BRB🛑(7)--(33 SPINS)
Hi,
Hi sentinel3,
Well I don't know if a 'genius' system or not.. Now believe it or not last night with 3 strikes EC as I described it, I got my first back to back losses:
LOH LOH
HOH HOH
and after 3 more lines another DOUBLE loss occurred!!
HOH HOH
LOL LOL
Because I was using the safer progression, I still managed to close the session after a few more lines win with a -2 ; not bad considering... (highest bet was 5u; which won on first step)
However it made me think..
Firstly, perhaps it IS better playing with a 1-2-3 (6 unit risk)
but in future play only after a REPEAT has occurred!
As others are doing - can play against other combo formations too:
1. R/B and O/E
2. R/B and H/L
3. H/L and O/E
4. H/L and R/B
To get qualifiying bets track the numbers on a rolling basis and always look at the
LAST SIX results eg:
25 2 34 33 4 19 this translates as:
1. RER BER
2. RLR BLR
3. HEH HEH
4. HBH HBH
Note there are 2 qualifiers already: Bet against HEH or HBH using 1-2-3. I will choose HEH...
next number is 35(H)= L1
next number is 15(O)= w1 on second step
Now the last 6 looks like this:
34 33 4 19 35 15 which translates to:
1.ROB ROB
2.RHB RHB
3.HOL HOL
4.HBL HBL
There are 4 qualifiers! I choose to go against HBL
next number is 4 (L) = w1 on first step
Now the last 6 looks like this:
33 4 19 35 15 4
1. BER BOB
2. BLR BLB
3. HEH HOL
4. HBH HBL
There are NO qualifiers. Wait for next number = 26
4 19 35 15 4 26
1. BEB BEB
2. BLB BLB
3. HEH HOL
4. HBH HBL
There are 2 qualifiers. I decide to go against BEB
next number is 16 (R) = w1 on first step
Anyway do you get the idea now?
However, I'm thinking STOP after a WIN (+1) or STOP on a 6u LOSS - just in case of back to back losers!!!!
End the session and come back later to try and recoup.
Remember - this just IDEAS. This is not the same as JL's PATTERN BREAKER and not enough testing has been done to play with a serious amount of money.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jan 25, 05:41 AM 2018
Hi,
Hi sentinel3,
Well I don't know if a 'genius' system or not.. Now believe it or not last night with 3 strikes EC as I described it, I got my first back to back losses:
LOH LOH
HOH HOH
and after 3 more lines another DOUBLE loss occurred!!
HOH HOH
LOL LOL
Because I was using the safer progression, I still managed to close the session after a few more lines win with a -2 ; not bad considering... (highest bet was 5u; which won on first step)
However it made me think..
Firstly, perhaps it IS better playing with a 1-2-3 (6 unit risk)
but in future play only after a REPEAT has occurred!
As others are doing - can play against other combo formations too:
1. R/B and O/E
2. R/B and H/L
3. H/L and O/E
4. H/L and R/B
To get qualifiying bets track the numbers on a rolling basis and always look at the
LAST SIX results eg:
25 2 34 33 4 19 this translates as:
1. RER BER
2. RLR BLR
3. HEH HEH
4. HBH HBH
Note there are 2 qualifiers already: Bet against HEH or HBH using 1-2-3. I will choose HEH...
next number is 35(H)= L1
next number is 15(O)= w1 on second step
Now the last 6 looks like this:
34 33 4 19 35 15 which translates to:
1.ROB ROB
2.RHB RHB
3.HOL HOL
4.HBL HBL
There are 4 qualifiers! I choose to go against HBL
next number is 4 (L) = w1 on first step
Now the last 6 looks like this:
33 4 19 35 15 4
1. BER BOB
2. BLR BLB
3. HEH HOL
4. HBH HBL
There are NO qualifiers. Wait for next number = 26
4 19 35 15 4 26
1. BEB BEB
2. BLB BLB
3. HEH HOL
4. HBH HBL
There are 2 qualifiers. I decide to go against BEB
next number is 16 (R) = w1 on first step
Anyway do you get the idea now?
However, I'm thinking STOP after a WIN (+1) or STOP on a 6u LOSS - just in case of back to back losers!!!!
End the session and come back later to try and recoup.
Remember - this just IDEAS. This is not the same as JL's PATTERN BREAKER and not enough testing has been done to play with a serious amount of money.
A.
OMG Atlantis that be scary.
But may I ask where you got those results? I was tracking last night on slingshot. Which is an automated roulette wheel no dealer. And I saw three losses in 5 games on there.
But ive not seen too many losses on live dealer. Which is the only thing I believe in really.
Yeah maybe trying one snipe and run for a few hundred games will give us a better idea if this can hold up longterm.
Remember even with PB you only play one game at a time. But lately the whole set has thrown up some fantastic possibilities. Ive played three sets of 3 today. And they all won.
Even though I stopped after the first win. So im gonna stay with 4 by 4 for now. If I hit too many losses I will go one game and shut down style.
Just seen 14 odds run down one line. And number 29 hit 5 times in 10 spins... 4 in a row in one line.
E
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
29
29
29
29
O
O
E
Anyway...
Day 4 = +3u
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 10:24 AM 2018
Just seen 14 odds run down one line. And number 29 hit 5 times in 10 spins... 4 in a row in one line.
E
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
29
29
29
29
O
O
E
Anyway...
Day 4 = +3u
Yeah variance can produce amazing patterns. But PB. Sets a puzzle it has to work hard to figure out.
Im on a run. Just won my 26th straight game with PB. A new record over my previous best of 25.
👍 i now play all three ECs stop after if all win... But Whichever if any lose i play another round for that particular EC that lost with stakes 6,12,28 to recover. Im playing with the confidence i wont see a double loss. But do realise it can happen.. But rare!!
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 10:46 AM 2018
👍 i now play all three ECs stop after if all win... But Whichever if any lose i play another round for that particular EC that lost with stakes 6,12,28 to recover. Im playing with the confidence i wont see a double loss. But do realise it can happen.. But rare!!
Im learning more and more about this system every week.
When you play all three even chances. Your wait for a game is shorter. While playing all three. The first game has always qualified inside 40 spins. This is fascinating. And could have potential. For closing that 7th pattern.
If we now know that it can hardly ever leave the 30s. Do you see what im getting at here?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 25, 11:01 AM 2018
Im learning more and more about this system every week.
When you play all three even chances. Your wait for a game is shorter. While playing all three. The first game has always qualified inside 40 spins. This is fascinating. And could have potential. For closing that 7th pattern.
If we now know that it can hardly ever leave the 30s. Do you see what im getting at here?
Yeah think i get you... So if after 36 spins we have 6 patterns complete we could if wanted bet on the 7th pattern to come.
So if we see the H/L is completing the patterns first and faster than the other two ECs and need lets say HHL, HLL to come still after the 36th spin. We could now bet for it to come. Could atleast gain +1u there.
If it is the case that 99% at least one of the ECs do hit 7 patterns within 40spins.
Perfect example would of been on my session today.
After 36 spins we still have no bet... needing RBR and RRB to come from R/B. so on the 37the spin...
37th spin. = R.
38th spin. = B.
.... Now bet on R for the 7th pattern to.come the RBR.
39th spin = R (W+1)
And now we have another bet as normal on that 8th pattern RRB not to come in next.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 11:23 AM 2018
Yeah think i get you... So if after 36 spins we have 6 patterns complete we could if wanted bet on the 7th pattern to come.
So if we see the H/L is completing the patterns first and faster than the other two ECs and need lets say HHL, HLL to come still after the 36th spin. We could now bet for it to come. Could atleast gain +1u there.
If it is the case that 99% at least one of the ECs do hit 7 patterns within 40spins.
Thats whats happening here. Well the winning streak came to an end. But 27 straight wins I cannot complain.
Heres what be on my mind. If we reach a point where we are in the 30s. And theres an oppurtunity to close the 7th pattern of the first game. We take it.
Using 1 2 4.
All first games that qualify in the 30s. Have the 7th pattern close. On spins 33,36 or 39.
Going over my records only 7 times out of more that 360 sets of three. Has the first game gone to the 42nd spin or longer to qualify.
This is powerful to me. You have to keep in mind not all first games reach the 30s. Many qualify in the 20s. Usually spin 27. Spin 33 is very popular for the first pattern 7 to close.
But my god what im thinking here is
1 2 4 8 16. To cover spins 27,30,33,36,39. Might win 100s of times to every loss. It doesnt matter which even chance it is. Or if you want to be more conservative. You play 33,36,39. With 1 2 4.
This is like a system of its own. And could be more powerful than pattern breaker itself. Im gonna keep monitoring. But its looking really solid.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 25, 11:56 AM 2018
Thats whats happening here. Well the winning streak came to an end. But 27 straight wins I cannot complain.
Heres what be on my mind. If we reach a point where we are in the 30s. And theres an oppurtunity to close the 7th pattern of the first game. We take it.
Using 1 2 4.
All first games that qualify in the 30s. Have the 7th pattern close. On spins 33,36 or 39.
Going over my records only 7 times out of more that 360 sets of three. Has the first game gone to the 42nd spin or longer to qualify.
This is powerful to me. You have to keep in mind not all first games reach the 30s. Many qualify in the 20s. Usually spin 27. Spin 33 is very popular for the first pattern 7 to close.
But my god what im thinking here is
1 2 4 8 16. To cover spins 27,30,33,36,39. Might win 100s of times to every loss. It doesnt matter which even chance it is. Or if you want to be more conservative. You play 33,36,39. With 1 2 4.
This is like a system of its own. And could be more powerful than pattern breaker itself. Im gonna keep monitoring. But its looking really solid.
33rd, 36th ,39th ,42nd
With 1,2,4,8 could work great yeah.
But wouldnt it be if...only one EC has completed 6 patterns and the other two EC only completed 3 or 4 of its patterns.
Good tho 👍
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 12:03 PM 2018
33rd, 36th ,39th ,42nd
With 1,2,4,8 could work great yeah.
But wouldnt it be if...only one EC has completed 6 patterns and the other two EC only completed 3 or 4 of its patterns.
Good tho 👍
Apolloo the exciting part is double qualifiers no longer pose a problem. You just win DOUBLE MONEY.
The important thing is one OR two are gonna qualify between 27 and 39. More than 50 times to one. And the double qualifiers just sweeten the deal.
Its the anwser to the twin qualification problem. Turn them both into money spinners.
Wow im excited about this finding. I will keep testing as I play PB.
But its looking really good. You could play all day with this one.
Ill keep an eye out for that situation from 30th spin. And bet 1,2,4,8.
Ill let you know if i ever see it go past the 42nd.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 25, 12:10 PM 2018You just win DOUBLE MONEY.
:) lol. I wish you all success.
Based on theory, your system should not work. But there are certain things that is beyond the understanding of my tiny brain. So I gave it a go. Tested against 365 days of Efbet spins, one game a day and I had 41 losses. That leaves me with a test result of +37 units based on your progression.
However, I preferred a 1,3,7 progression as the wins could occur anywhere in the three spins. This gave me a test result of +54 units.
That gave me something to think, but I still believe this is a very minor variation and if I test the next 365 spins there is nothing stopping me having losses more than expectation. So yes, I dont think this works for me, but that is only my opinion.
Now what I did was, I noticed the streaks as you did and the expectation is 1 loss every 7 wins. So technically there will be streaks and having a streak of 3 wins is half the expectation and should occur all the time. So I tried a positive progression after a win, instead of a negative progression after a loss heading to double loss. I typically play with 25$ chips in casino and hence modified the progression. So far, doing good with this. 50, 150, 350 for first attempt, 75, 175, 350 for second attempt and 100, 200, 350 for third attempt. If it loses anywhere in between, I go back to 50, 150 and 350. So far doing good as it helps me to accumulate wins. Tried doing this progression in roulette simulator link:s://roulette-simulator.info/game/51beaebc231c8720d18d10b0008693dc.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 12:19 PM 2018
Ill keep an eye out for that situation from 30th spin. And bet 1,2,4,8.
Ill let you know if i ever see it go past the 42nd.
Okay Apolloo been over my records again. Of the 7 sets that went beyond the 39th spin to qualify the first game/s. Only 3 went past the 42nd spin. And 49 qualified spins 24 to 30.
This is looking incredible Apolloo. 1-2-4-8 just 15 units. Would have a win rate of over 100--1 playing for that first qualification. Against my results.
My gosh im excited about this.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 25, 12:57 PM 2018
:) lol. I wish you all success.
Based on theory, your system should not work. But there are certain things that is beyond the understanding of my tiny brain. So I gave it a go. Tested against 365 days of Efbet spins, one game a day and I had 41 losses. That leaves me with a test result of +37 units based on your progression.
However, I preferred a 1,3,7 progression as the wins could occur anywhere in the three spins. This gave me a test result of +54 units.
That gave me something to think, but I still believe this is a very minor variation and if I test the next 365 spins there is nothing stopping me having losses more than expectation. So yes, I dont think this works for me, but that is only my opinion.
Now what I did was, I noticed the streaks as you did and the expectation is 1 loss every 7 wins. So technically there will be streaks and having a streak of 3 wins is half the expectation and should occur all the time. So I tried a positive progression after a win, instead of a negative progression after a loss heading to double loss. I typically play with 25$ chips in casino and hence modified the progression. So far, doing good with this. 50, 150, 350 for first attempt, 75, 175, 350 for second attempt and 100, 200, 350 for third attempt. If it loses anywhere in between, I go back to 50, 150 and 350. So far doing good as it helps me to accumulate wins. Tried doing this progression in roulette simulator link:s://roulette-simulator.info/game/51beaebc231c8720d18d10b0008693dc.
The success.is coming every day Tinsoldiers..And I made a discovery today that may make this the best system you could ever play for 15 units. The win rate at the moment is over 100-1 for a 15 units risk. Its looking so solid.
Only problem i see is when you get that E/C with 6 patterns at spin 30.
Then we bet 1u on 33rd, 2u on 36th.... Then we have another EC with 6 patterns. What would you do on the 39th spin?
Hi tinsoldier.
How many double losses in the 365 games?
Hmmm this remind me a lot about grassroots posts. Does it work ? Of course not. How did i get the best results on this type of betting....messure the dd....I started playing when i was -10 ....
Anyway in the end....we all know the outcome right ?
The thing with double dozens systems is that they can do really well for a long time. But when they fail it hurts bad
Better off doing pattern breaker as intended, the progression is not that bad
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 01:25 PM 2018
Only problem i see is when you get that E/C with 6 patterns at spin 30.
Then we bet 1u on 33rd, 2u on 36th.... Then we have another EC with 6 patterns. What would you do on the 39th spin?
Cover them both with enough money to break even if one comes to celebrate if they both come.
Just played a real game betting for the first qualifier.
BRR closed on the 36th spin to leave RBR. All three even chances were down to the last two patterns Apolloo. But only RB stepped forward and said close me.
HIGH LOW closed on spin 48. ODD EVEN closed on spin 63. This Apollo. Is the best thing Ive ever seen for a relatively small risk. Its going to be a huge success. And speed the profit building for PB.
But it deserves it own title. The MAGNIFICENT 7. Sounds over the top. But I dont think it is. After what ive seen today.
Im shaking here. Because I know I have a bright future with this game now.
Pattern breaker on all 3 EC? Quicker trigger
Uh oh. I said trigger. The other forum boys are going to have something to talk about now
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 25, 02:33 PM 2018
Cover them both with enough money to break even if one comes to celebrate if they both come.
Just played a real game betting for the first qualifier.
BRR closed on the 36th spin to leave RBR. All three even chances were down to the last two patterns Apolloo. But only RB stepped forward and said close me.
HIGH LOW closed on spin 48. ODD EVEN closed on spin 63. This Apollo. Is the best thing Ive ever seen for a relatively small risk. Its going to be a huge success. And speed the profit building for PB.
But it deserves it own title. The MAGNIFICENT 7. Sounds over the top. But I dont think it is. After what ive seen today.
Im shaking here. Because I know I have a bright future with this game now.
Yeah i see it being slightly rare two have both closing out at say spin 39but does happen. But like you said just place enough on it to profit.
PB + M7 = WINNER!!!
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 03:26 PM 2018
Yeah i see it being slightly rare two have both closing out at say spin 39but does happen. But like you said just place enough on it to profit.
PB + M7 = WINNER!!!
Right. And Altantis's 3 STRIKES..
I have all I need now. I dont have a minute to waste testing anything else. Ive set myself the target of turning 250 units into 5000 by July. And by heck with these 3 systems im gonna do it.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 01:27 PM 2018
Hi tinsoldier.
How many double losses in the 365 games?
Had one double loss and 2 triple losses. But it doesn’t matter. It is a very small sample of only 365 games. Less than 800 placed bets.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 25, 01:06 PM 2018
The success.is coming every day Tinsoldiers..
As I said enjoy it while it lasts.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 25, 03:53 PM 2018
Had one double loss and 2 triple losses. But it doesn’t matter. It is a very small sample of only 365 games. Less than 800 placed bets.
Like you said tho +53u using 1,3,7.
Id say you would be ahead in profits to handle a couple more losses. But yeah a small sample.
Also as you only played one game at a time. You coild not see if the game straight after would of won during the same session. But thanks for your results. Ill take into consideration.
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 25, 04:07 PM 2018
Also as you only played one game at a time. You coild not see if the game straight after would of won during the same session. But thanks for your results. Ill take into consideration.
This is it. Its playing the SET as a whole that makes PB. Something special imo. Its now thrown up an awesome opportunity. I cannot see anything but success now. 1 step backwards and three steps forward. Thats how its going to be.
You can start a new game playing every 12 spins until you get the perfect breakdown. And the result is always the same. Once the first game doesnt qualify in the 20s. It qualifies 33--42. Its been a great day for me. I will go to sleep with a smile tonight.
Hi all,
Great reliable strategy at work, I am taking a liking to pattern based systems (not that I've seen many so far)
However just a quick silly question.
What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than
just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?
I'm sure it's been said before but.. 100 pages, CBA.
sentinel,
are you just playing pattern breaker but on all 3 EC at once?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 25, 07:22 PM 2018
sentinel,
are you just playing pattern breaker but on all 3 EC at once?
Playing all 3 as a SET to achieve one win. Because all three in a set will probably never lose. I have 400 sets of 3 recorded. And there isnt a single one where all 3 even chances lost.
In fact there are only 4 out of that 400 where there were two out of the three that lost. This is very powerful. And makes pattern breaker close to invincible.
And so its playing out. Add to that a discovery I made yesterday. About the range that the first game in a set nearly always qualifies in. 33 to 42 spins. And you have a system that is going to make me a fortune. Over the coming years.
This is extremely powerful.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 25, 03:54 PM 2018
As I said enjoy it while it lasts.
it will last forever Tinsoldiers. There is no going backwards with this one. Ive seen a 1000 systems fail in my time. And I understand why. When i found this system it sounded good.
So I started paper betting it back in September. It simply works. Then I be thinking. Like you and all the other sceptics. Surely this cant hold up.
Now 4 months and a thousand recorded games later. I realize this system will always show a profit. It simply does not even drop below break even level ever.
Its never at anytime been below 9 wins to every loss. And you need 7 wins to break even.
Its steady as a rock. It demands one thing I see in few people loyalty.
Stick to it and your fortunes change. And that was good before I made some recent discoveries. That make this system invincible.
If its strong playing a single even chance on its own as it was designed.
Its a powehouse playing the entire set for a win. I have one account online thats already increased 5 fold just from pattern breaker. Everybody wants an invincible system.
And yeah they find one that needs computers and a bank loan to run.
Pattern breaker just needs you playing the set and a notepad and pen to track. And your bank balance is going to grow. All I need are online casinos that wont ban me for winning serious money. And I will pay 25% of my winnings to anyone who knows a casino that doesnt mind winners.
At the moment im playing for pounds on 10 online sites. Because i know as soon as I start making thousands. Its only a matter of time before they stop me.
Till now how many spin did u place bet( not those waiting spin)? Actually what u see in PB that other people cant see? Where u make the difference from other? If possible plz short answer
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 25, 11:03 PM 2018
Its never at anytime been below 9 wins to every loss. And you need 7 wins to break even.
Its going very normal. What would happen when u gonna run for 14 months? 9 will come down or go up? What was the average win loss ratio after ur first month. Definitely it was more than 9.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 26, 01:36 AM 2018
Its going very normal. What would happen when u gonna run for 14 months? 9 will come down or go up? What was the average win loss ratio after ur first month. Definitely it was more than 9.
Hi Madi,
Im talking about the lowest point it dips to. The lowest point since i started was about 9.5--1. Its currently sitting at 10.6--1. And what you must understand is its never ever been close to break even let alone below it.
And heres the thing even if it were running at break even 7--1 I would be making money from it using money management.
So madi in short this is an alltime winner. It rocks along with no surprises. Im closing on 700 games today. I will update my stats later.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 26, 02:22 AM 2018
So madi in short this is an alltime winner. It rocks along with no surprises. Im closing on 700 games today. I will update my stats later.
700 game is max 2100 spin i believe. Actually no other stat is needed at the moment. I also like a system which is easy with less br. Wish if its that easy to beat roulette with 3 step marti. If its work for u thats fine.
hey sentinel3 check DMs!!
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 26, 02:45 AM 2018
hey sentinel3 check DMs!!
Yes sent u a reply fantastic my friend.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 26, 02:41 AM 2018
700 game is max 2100 spin i believe. Actually no other stat is needed at the moment. I also like a system which is easy with less br. Wish if its that easy to beat roulette with 3 step marti. If its work for u thats fine.
Madi trust me this thing works.
Its simplicity is its genius. Low buy in and steady win loss rate. There are no major draw downs where you are hundreds of units in a hole. All it asks of you is your loyalty and patience to reach that last pattern.
And like I said the original was good. But I believe i have made it even stronger. Playing the set as one is the magic. Honestly. Ive been playing this game since 1983. And never found anything more rock solid. For such a low risk.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 05:46 PM 2011
**PATTERN BREAKER**
How it came to be. People have been trying to design systems to overcome house edge, beat a game with no memory and defy mathematicians since this game came to be.
WHILE 1000S of systems need random to deliver something within a certain number of spins to succeed. PATTERN BREAKER asks RANDOM to do something its not very good at people. DELIVER THE LAST PATTERN OF A THREE SPIN HI LO COMBINATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER ITS DELIVERED THE SECOND TO LAST.
THE RULES...
1, You write the 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin Hi lo pattern down like this
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
2, You now proceed to record spins for hi lo in rows of three. Every three spins will produce one of those 8 possible patterns, a repeat of one or a pattern with a zero. An average game takes 50-60 spins to complete. To speed turnover you can backtrack twenty spins for a max of THREE TIMES A SESSION.
3, You cross off each of the 8 possible patterns as they are produced and write a number next to them. EVENTUALLY, there will be ONE PATTERN LEFT.
4, You IMMEDIATELY bet against that pattern using a three step progression 2,4,8=14pts risk.
5,If a zero hits while recording patterns, example
H0L You record it under your 8 non zero patterns. If a zero hits during betting you accept it as a losing spin and complete the progression. OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1
6, The method requires 7 wins to match a losing progression. ITS POWER, is the ability to create winning streaks that average 40 in a row. I have 3 100plus streaks in my records. I've never lost twice in a row.
7, TO BE PLAYED LIVE OR AIRBALL not RNG. I will give money management examples if the interest is there. It ought to be, I turned 14 units into 680 in a month. If you hit a power streak you can go nuclear in profits. Then BANK and start again. So there it is PATTERN BREAKER...
Well you are now a lot more pages of replies with a modifyed PB.
The rules are perfect on page 1,
so can you now post up the new rules like JL did, thanks.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 26, 04:47 AM 2018
Well you are now a lot more pages of replies with a modifyed PB.
The rules are perfect on page 1,
so can you now post up the new rules like JL did, thanks.
Okay Pattern breaker update and the basic rules for how im playing it compared to the original.
🛑PATTERN BREAKER SUMMARY🛑
GAMES PLAYED 700
GAMES WON 642
GAMES LOST 58
WIN RATE 11--1
BREAK EVEN 7--1
LONGEST WIN STREAK 27 GAMES
CURRENT WIN STREAK 18 GAMES
LONGEST WIN STREAK GAME 1 OF THE DAY. 36 DAYS TWICE...
How I be playing Pattern breaker.
(1) Track spins for all three even chances at the same time. So in effect we let the wheel decide what we bet on instead of just picking one and staying on it.
(2) Whatever qualifies first is our bet.
(3) Bet the classic 1 2 4---7u risk. And stop at a win or of course a loss.
(4) Optional to observe remaining two
even chances. But only play one if one loses first. The idea being there be few double losses in a set.
And thats the only difference really..We let the wheel choose our bet. Ive noticed a slightly better win rate doing this. So I like it
PB is a winning system.
I prefer to play it with bacarrat.
The big BUT here is the hard work. :(
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 26, 09:52 AM 2018
Okay Pattern breaker update and the basic rules for how im playing it compared to the original.
🛑PATTERN BREAKER SUMMARY🛑
GAMES PLAYED 700
GAMES WON 642
GAMES LOST 58
WIN RATE 11--1
BREAK EVEN 7--1
LONGEST WIN STREAK 27 GAMES
CURRENT WIN STREAK 18 GAMES
LONGEST WIN STREAK GAME 1 OF THE DAY. 36 DAYS TWICE...
How I be playing Pattern breaker.
(1) Track spins for all three even chances at the same time. So in effect we let the wheel decide what we bet on instead of just picking one and staying on it.
(2) Whatever qualifies first is our bet.
(3) Bet the classic 1 2 4---7u risk. And stop at a win or of course a loss.
(4) Optional to observe remaining two
even chances. But only play one if one loses first. The idea being there be few double losses in a set.
And thats the only difference really..We let the wheel choose our bet. Ive noticed a slightly better win rate doing this. So I like it
Sentinel,
Also, mention that you play it only a few times a day (maybe even less).
I have mentioned my own tweaks more than once in this thread, including the fact that I play this method on average about 4 times per casino visit (when I go to a casino, usually on weekends, I stay there for about 6 hours).
Also, I play 2 games maximum back to back.
I think playing this method sparingly (in other words, not continuously) is, arguably, the biggest and most important tweak I / we have made to this method.
pls example
from link:s://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/basics/#toc-Simulations
Quote from: cht on Jan 26, 10:21 AM 2018
PB is a winning system.
I prefer to play it with bacarrat.
The big BUT here is the hard work. :(
I dont find it hard work CHT.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 26, 10:36 AM 2018
Sentinel,
Also, mention that you play it only a few times a day (maybe even less).
I have mentioned my own tweaks more than once in this thread, including the fact that I play this method on average about 4 times per casino visit (when I go to a casino, usually on weekends, I stay there for about 6 hours).
Also, I play 2 games maximum back to back.
I think playing this method sparingly (in other words, not continuously) is, arguably, the biggest and most important tweak I / we have made to this method.
Dr with this way ive been playing 5 to 10 a day. The random selection of your bet has made it stronger. Than just picking one yourself.
My winning streak is now 20 straight games. After a 27 a few days ago its really good.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 26, 10:51 AM 2018
I dont find it hard work CHT.
True, where there's good money it's all good.
Play this for 6months you will be betting USD2500 max bet from thereon - that's your carrot. :thumbsup:
Here is a tracker that includes Pattern Breaker.
Ophis' Multi-System Tracker
And here 12,501 spins from RNG if someone is interested, Have listed HL EO RB and Nums.
Cheers
PB on a rolling basis is diverse, look at the PBrolling pic below. PB with 3ECs mix is very diverse, look at the PBmix pic below. When the rolling basis is applied to PBmix the array gets even more diverse.
This means that YOUR result depends on when you start your play and what PB combination you play.
Quote from: cht on Jan 26, 11:32 PM 2018This means that YOUR result depends on when you start your play and what PB combination you play.
In other words different people playing this will get different results. Everyone can get positive results.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 27, 02:42 AM 2018
In other words different people playing this will get different results. Everyone can get positive results.
The ultimate strength of this system ive been finding out. Is to let the wheel select your bet for you.
When I began playing this last year. All i bet on was RED BLACK. And I did well doing that. Was holding between 10--1 and 11--1 for win rate.
But since I have started playing the set as a whole. And going with what ever even chance the wheel qualifies first.
This system just got stronger. Im currently on a win streak of 31 games besting my best with just RED BLACK by 6 games.
PLUS, the real improvement is no game is taking more than 40 to 50 spins to qualify. There were times with Red and Black i could wait 60 plus spins for that 7th pattern to close.
One game took 84 spins. So now that im playing the set. The turnover is faster. And the win rate more solid. Currently just breaking into 12--1. Its a win win for me...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 05:46 PM 2011
**PATTERN BREAKER**
THE RULES...
1, You write the 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin Hi lo pattern down like this
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
2, You now proceed to record spins for hi lo in rows of three. Every three spins will produce one of those 8 possible patterns, a repeat of one or a pattern with a zero. An average game takes 50-60 spins to complete. To speed turnover you can backtrack twenty spins for a max of THREE TIMES A SESSION.
3, You cross off each of the 8 possible patterns as they are produced and write a number next to them. EVENTUALLY, there will be ONE PATTERN LEFT.
4, You IMMEDIATELY bet against that pattern using a three step progression 2,4,8=14pts risk.
5,If a zero hits while recording patterns, example
H0L You record it under your 8 non zero patterns. If a zero hits during betting you accept it as a losing spin and complete the progression. OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1
6, The method requires 7 wins to match a losing progression. ITS POWER, is the ability to create winning streaks that average 40 in a row. I have 3 100plus streaks in my records. I've never lost twice in a row.
7, TO BE PLAYED LIVE OR AIRBALL not RNG. I will give money management examples if the interest is there. It ought to be, I turned 14 units into 680 in a month. If you hit a power streak you can go nuclear in profits. Then BANK and start again. So there it is PATTERN BREAKER...
So the only difference is we track all 3 EC's?
Cht can you tell me a bit more to use it on bacc?
Quote from: denzie on Jan 27, 04:10 AM 2018
So the only difference is we track all 3 EC's?
Cht can you tell me a bit more to use it on bacc?
Thats correct. Thats what I be doing for the last few weeks. And the results are superb. 31 games in a row have won now. I never dreamed in my life before I found this system. I could win that many times.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 27, 04:31 AM 2018Thats correct. Thats what I be doing for the last few weeks. And the results are superb. 31 games in a row have won now. I never dreamed in my life before I found this system. I could win that many times.
Have you tried it on Steves MPR. Mpr kills everything, so make of that what you want, even the great Turbo wont go back on it LOL
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 27, 05:07 AM 2018
Have you tried it on Steves MPR. Mpr kills everything, so make of that what you want, even the great Turbo wont go back on it LOL
Hammer I dont believe in bots. Only reality with live dealers mean anything to me. Like Brett Morton says in his great book PLAYING TO WIN. The wizard of odds a friend of his. Told him. No way can you beat roulette in the long run. I would guess Steves brain is wired like the Wizard of odds. Too much respect for the odds.
But that didnt stop Brett morton from making his living from playing roulette. And ultimately it wont stop me.
Im dealing with what reality is handing me. And right now its handsome. And rock solid. There is no way Pattern breaker goes negative with random bet selection. And random entry into the game.
The odds say you should get 7 wins to every loss. Im getting 12 right now. And 712 games in its never ever touched 7--1. I like brett Morton respect the wizard of odds. But I deal with the reality of whats unfolding. And its only going to be a winner from where im sitting.
Sentinel3:
Thank you very much for sharing your first hand experience and sound advice. I find it a long wait before I can place a bet which I don't mind waiting, but I wonder if I am not alone?
Quote from: denzie on Jan 27, 04:10 AM 2018
So the only difference is we track all 3 EC's?
Cht can you tell me a bit more to use it on bacc?
One of the main reasons why I don't play PB with roulette is due to the zero.
There quite a bit of changes I made to the original JohnLegends PB mostly because I don't like progressive bet sizing betting all 3 columns, it's flat bet sniper style for me.
The 1st change is when do I start the game. I record the 1st 9 results to find out which holds the majority - Player or Banker. Eg. Player holds the majority I start the game when the 1st column of the 3 series starts with Player. Early Banker series is ignored. If the count is a tie, extend another series.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P Start game.
The 2nd change I make is I don't bet PB. I wait for one of the series pattern to appear that is immediately followed by the next series that is a repeat of an earlier series pattern.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P 1 Start game.
B P P 2
P P B 3
P B P 1repeat (column 2 and column 3 is different)
Comparing the last 2 series by column, column 2 and column 3 is different. When at least 2 out of 3 columns are different it signals a bet potential - trigger. I plan to bet against pattern 3 at the 3rd column, provided column 1 and 2 is same with pattern 3.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P T
P B P 1 (Start game)
B P P 2
P P B 3
P B P 1repeat
P P Column 1 and 2 is same as pattern 3, bet Player
P P P means win
P P B means lose
The game for the shoe ends when pattern 8 appears. Ignore the ties after the initial count.
I play it at the etg bacs for 20 shoes a day with my partners. High strike rate but boring grind.
Since it has a high strike rate >=66%, the bankroll is small say 16 units. After a weeks play of 100 shoes, you can double your br. Max bet is USD1000 giving a cool $50+k in a months work.
If you play for the fun then this is not for you. This is serious boring stuff, only do this if you bet for the money. :)
Quote from: cht on Jan 27, 10:36 AM 2018
One of the main reasons why I don't play PB with roulette is due to the zero.
There quite a bit of changes I made to the original JohnLegends PB mostly because I don't like progressive bet sizing betting all 3 columns, it's flat bet sniper style for me.
The 1st change is when do I start the game. I record the 1st 9 results to find out which holds the majority - Player or Banker. Eg. Player holds the majority I start the game when the 1st column of the 3 series starts with Player. Early Banker series is ignored. If the count is a tie, extend another series.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P Start game.
The 2nd change I make is I don't bet PB. I wait for one of the series pattern to appear that is immediately followed by the next series that is a repeat of an earlier series pattern.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P 1 Start game.
B P P 2
P P B 3
P B P 1repeat (column 2 and column 3 is different)
Comparing the last 2 series by column, column 2 and column 3 is different. When at least 2 out of 3 columns are different it signals a bet potential - trigger. I plan to bet against pattern 3 at the 3rd column, provided column 1 and 2 is same with pattern 3.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P T
P B P 1 (Start game)
B P P 2
P P B 3
P B P 1repeat
P P Column 1 and 2 is same as pattern 3, bet Player
P P P means win
P P B means lose
The game for the shoe ends when pattern 8 appears. Ignore the ties after the initial count.
I play it at the etg bacs for 20 shoes a day with my partners. High strike rate but boring grind.
Looks interesting CHT. I have no idea how you play Baccarat. But if its working for you on that card game thats good.
You know what though regarding the zero in roulette. It rarely affects my games. Ive only run into three zeros within my betting sequence. In 714 games now.
Lets say pattern 8 was
BBR.
0BRB--WINNER STEP 3
And when I began betting I got a zero on the first step. I would take the loss. And treat it as if it hadnt happened.
All I would do is bet 1-2-4-8 instead of 1-2-4. Pattern breaker is chaining together so many winning streaks in excess of 7. The number needed to break even. That I know all losses be recouped pretty soon.
This be one of its many strengths. There are no long losing streaks. You lose 1 you win 8. You lose 1 you win 6. You lose 1 you win 🛑THIRTY THREE🛑
My current winning streak. Thats what I say to all the people who shake in their boots. About the fear of losing. When pattern breaker hits a winning streak. Like it has now. You just sit back and enjoy the ride.
So if the hitrate is that high....why dont you Parlay?
Quote from: denzie on Jan 27, 05:05 PM 2018
So if the hitrate is that high....why dont you Parlay?
What I do is bet three times as much on the first game of the day. There will come a time when I will only play two games day. When my units are big enough. That first game is special.
Its in its own class. Its only lost 6 times in 134 days. Thats a phenomenal 21--1. Thats where I put the bigger bets. The rest is just a bonus.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 27, 05:05 PM 2018
So if the hitrate is that high....why dont you Parlay?
HOH HEL w2nd +1. (1,2,3)
HOH LOH w1st +2. (2,4,6)
HOH LEH w1st +3. (3,6,9
LEL LEH w3rd +0. (4,8,12)
LOL HEH w1st +4. (4,8,12)
LEL HEH w1st +5. (5,10,15)
LEL LEH w3rd +0 (6,12,18)
HOL LEH w1st +6. (6,12,18)
HEL LOH w1st +7 (7,14,21)
LEL HEL w1st +8 (8,16,24)
HEL LOL w1st +9 (9,18,27)
HEL HOH w2nd +10 (10,20,30)
LOH HEH w1st +11 (11,22,33)
HEL LOL w1st +12 (12,25,36)
LEH LEH LLL -78 (-13-26-39)
LEH HOH w1st +1 (1,2,3)
HEL LEL w1st +2 (2,4,6)
HEH HEL w3rd +0 (3,6,9)
HOL LEL w1st +3 (3,6,9)
LEL LOL w2nd +4 (4,8,12)
HOL HOH w3rd +0 (5,10,15)
LEL HOL w1st +5 (5,10,15)
HEH HOL w2nd +6 (6,12,18)
LEL HOH w1st +7 (7,14,21)
HOL LOH w1st +8 (8,16,24)
LEH LOL w2nd +9 (9,18,27)
LOH HEH w1st +10 (10,20,30)
HOH LOL w1st +11 (11,22,33)
HEH HOH w2nd +12 (12,24,36)
LOH LEH w2nd +13 (13,26,39)
HOL HEH w2nd +14 (14,28,42)
LEH LEH LLL -90 (-15,-30,-45)
LEL HOH w1st +1
LEL LOL w2nd +2
LEH LOL w2nd +3
HEH HOL w2nd +4
LEH LOL w2nd +5
LOH LEL w2nd +6
LOH HOH w1st +7
HOL LEH w1st +8
HOH LOL w1st +9
HEL LOH w1st +10
HEH LEL w1st +11
LEL HOL w1st +12
HEL HOL w2nd +13
HEL HOL w2nd +14
HOH LOL w1st +15
LEL HEL w1st +16
LOL LOH w3rd +17.
LEL LOH w2nd +18
HEH LOH w1st +19
LOH LEH w2nd +20.
LOH LOH LLL -126.
LOH LEL w2nd +1
HEH HEL w3rd +0
LEL HOL w1st +2
HOL LOL w1st +3
LOH HOL w1st +4
LEH LOL w1st +5
HEH HOL w2nd +6
LOL LOH w3rd +7
LEL LOH w2nd +8
LEH HOH w1st +9
HOL LOH w1st +10
LOH LEL w2nd +11
HEH LOL w1st +12
LEL HOL w1st +13
HOL LEL w1st +14
Balance +203
As he said . Do parley of the first game of the day.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 27, 06:13 PM 2018
As he said . Do parley of the first game of the day.
May try a parlay AFTER the next loss for 6 days
So far the first game has delivered this over 134 days.
36 WINS--LOSS--9 WINS--LOSS--18 WINS--LOSS--36 WINS--LOSS--12 WINS--LOSS--10 WINS--LOSS--7 WINS (CURRENT)
So after the next loss I will try a 6 day parlay.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 27, 06:50 PM 2018
May try a parlay AFTER the next loss for 6 days
So far the first game has delivered this over 134 days.
36 WINS--LOSS--9 WINS--LOSS--18 WINS--LOSS--36 WINS--LOSS--12 WINS--LOSS--10 WINS--LOSS--7 WINS (CURRENT)
So after the next loss I will try a 6 day parlay.
Something like that. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 28, 03:47 AM 2018
Something like that. :thumbsup:
Well, today I set my alarm to 3 AM. Woke up in the middle of night to see those dashing ladies spinning the ball in Eastern Europe and playing the magic FIRST GAME of the day. And you know what it won. Good on you sentinel. :love:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 27, 05:29 PM 2018That first game is special.
Why you think its special?
And aren't you scared when variance is gonna come knock at your door?
And anybody know where John Legend is now?
Note: this isnt a HG. It has a high hitrate yes. This kinda systems can win years or even a lifetime for some. :thumbsup:
But for some it will lose no doubt. The more you play , the more you will understand why :o
(Dont wanna be negative here. I just tell you the outcome. So if your winning keep going. If you start to lose, stop it and take whatever profit is still left)
Quote from: denzie on Jan 28, 05:28 AM 2018
And anybody know where John Legend is now?
I don't think he's too far away! ;D
Quote from: denzie on Jan 28, 05:33 AM 2018
Note: this isnt a HG. It has a high hitrate yes. This kinda systems can win years or even a lifetime for some. :thumbsup:
But for some it will lose no doubt. The more you play , the more you will understand why :o
(Dont wanna be negative here. I just tell you the outcome. So if your winning keep going. If you start to lose, stop it and take whatever profit is still left)
I agree, I lost previously when I played the original JL PB. That's why I don't play it anymore bcos I'm not luckyfella. :xd:
Quote from: cht on Jan 28, 05:56 AM 2018bcos I'm not luckyfella. :xd:
Same here. But for some it just never will be a problem.
You could write 10 spins down as they come
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
B
Now bet AGAINST it with a marty. For some it can be a lifetime winner. For me it busted before i could make a new br. C'est la vie :xd:
(Early days and i moved on)
Quote from: denzie on Jan 28, 05:33 AM 2018
Note: this isnt a HG. It has a high hitrate yes. This kinda systems can win years or even a lifetime for some. :thumbsup:
But for some it will lose no doubt. The more you play , the more you will understand why :o
(Dont wanna be negative here. I just tell you the outcome. So if your winning keep going. If you start to lose, stop it and take whatever profit is still left)
It doesnt work like that Denzie. The reason most never become successful with this game. Is because aswell as lacking the money managment skill. And discipline to quit while in profit. They cannot stay with a system LONG ENOUGH.
To see its behavior. And watch it hit a great streak like it has now for me.
Let me tell you how things started back in September.
5 WINS--LOSS--2 WINS LOSS--3 WINS--LOSS.
Just that start for over 90% of people. Would have had them dropping pattern breaker PERMANENTLY. And framing it as a losing system.
So what happened Next.
🛑25 WINS🛑 LOSS 🛑19 WINS🛑 LOSS.
And as I write this im now on an incredible streak of 🛑36 WINS🛑.
You have to stay with a system long enough to see its magic. And thats what the majority of people cant do. So they will go to their graves thinking roulette is unbeatable longterm.
I placed my first bet in 1983. On roulette. Ive seen a thousand systems. Ive never seen anything better than pattern breaker. For a mere 7 unit buy in its on its own. This thing is genius in its simplicity.
And with my tweak to allow the wheel random to find your bet for you. Its just become even stronger.
And that first game of the day is a phenomenon. It doesnt matter about variance. You arent playing long enough with PB. For it to hurt you.
You just play this game solidly for 5 to 10 games a day. And its a winner. It just works.
All i try to say is....it will lose for MOST people.
First game is not Magic. Really not. And variance will come. You started with bad results. They will come again and bring there friends.
Many short games make one BIG game. You will see it later on. ALTHOUGH I HOPE NOT.
Dont get me twisten here...I wish you be succesfull. So ill leave the topic and let those who play it enjoy it.
Good luck :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 28, 07:58 AM 2018
All i try to say is....it will lose for MOST people.
First game is not Magic. Really not. And variance will come. You started with bad results. They will come again and bring there friends.
Many short games make one BIG game. You will see it later on. ALTHOUGH I HOPE NOT.
Dont get me twisten here...I wish you be succesfull. So ill leave the topic and let those who play it enjoy it.
Good luck :thumbsup:
Time will tell Denzie,
But I just do not ever see this thing going to negative numbers. Its currently at 13.6 to 1. It would have to drop below 7 to 1 to go to negative numbers.
Think that over for a while. Sure there will come a cluster of losses. But then the rebalance will take place again with long winning streaks. So overall it will always be in the positive.
And the thing is Denzie. Even if it ran at 6 to 7 to 1. I could make money out of it. Thats where you factor in money managment. So the way I see it. its a profit maker for life. All that I dont know is how much profit it will generate over the next 20 years.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 28, 08:12 AM 2018
And the thing is Denzie. Even if it ran at 6 to 7 to 1. I could make money out of it. Thats where you factor in money managment. So the way I see it. its a profit maker for life. All that I dont know is how much profit it will generate over the next 20 years.
Alright :thumbsup:
Which is your money managment?
Quote from: denzie on Jan 28, 05:33 AM 2018just tell you the outcome. So if your winning keep going. If you start to lose, stop it and take whatever profit is still left
Please don’t burst the bubble mate.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 28, 10:32 AM 2018
Please don’t burst the bubble mate.
Living in a bubble is costly and dangerous. :)
Quote from: cht on Jan 28, 11:33 AM 2018
Living in a bubble is costly and dangerous. :)
The thing about those bubbles is that they always poooof. One faster than another
Quote from: denzie on Jan 28, 11:46 AM 2018One faster than another
People seem to love it though. So they should be allowed to enjoy it while it lasts. I think anyone talking against should try the magic FIrst game for life before saying it doesn’t work. I am doing it, take the plunge, follow sentinel and bask in the great service being provided to mankind.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 28, 12:15 PM 2018
People seem to love it though. So they should be allowed to enjoy it while it lasts. I think anyone talking against should try the magic FIrst game for life before saying it doesn’t work. I am doing it, take the plunge, follow sentinel and bask in the great service being provided to mankind.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 28, 12:15 PM 2018
People seem to love it though. So they should be allowed to enjoy it while it lasts. I think anyone talking against should try the magic FIrst game for life before saying it doesn’t work. I am doing it, take the plunge, follow sentinel and bask in the great service being provided to mankind.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 28, 09:23 AM 2018
Alright :thumbsup:
Which is your money managment?
The money management is that first game like i keep saying Denzie. Its running at a higher win rate than PB overall. This is why I will be successful. I play that first game at 3 times the staking of the games that come after it.
Imagine you have something that at its worst is winning 9 games to a loss
And at its best 30 plus games to a loss. And overall 21--1. When only 7--1 is required to break it even.
Winning is a certainty on that first. Game. The rest is just a bonus. There will come a time where i will be playing 50 units a day just on that first game.
Its the bread and butter of the system.
Just for the sake of testing, did some RNG tests (see attachement). No MM, 0 acts like loss, just flat betting!
17,5k spins, HL +89U, EO +46U, RB +57U
Cheers ;)
Quote from: ayk on Jan 28, 02:50 PM 2018
Just for the sake of testing, did some RNG tests (see attachement). No MM, 0 acts like loss, just flat betting!
17,5k spins, HL +89U, EO +46U, RB +57U
Cheers ;)
H/L seems best hit rate ... Maybe different on a different test. But i remember my first two Losses came on R/B. BBB
Quote from: ayk on Jan 28, 02:50 PM 2018
Just for the sake of testing, did some RNG tests (see attachement). No MM, 0 acts like loss, just flat betting!
17,5k spins, HL +89U, EO +46U, RB +57U
Cheers ;)
Hi ayk, can you do a similar test of my PB style I posted on post #1562. TQ
Hi
I came across the PB the other day while researching what others are doing with Roulette Systems and my first impression was WOW. I have been working on a robust system to play the game taking into account method, money management and reading the flow of the game to determine the best betting method to use (betting against patterns or with streaks). I am using a bot to perform my testing so last night I programmed the original PB into my system and am testing it to see if I get the same results being reported on this thread. I am still wading my way through the years of discussion on this topic so will fine tune the method including the money management rules to see how it performs over the long term in real live conditions, not simulations.
I am testing on a live online casino with real dealers and have a goal of turning a $1K bankroll into $100K (play money of coarse). So if PB can achieve this with its simple betting and MM rules in a relatively short period of time and low risk then I will be amazed because to date I have not had much success getting over $5K before a losing streak tends to destroy most of the profit.
The main approach I have been using to date is a similar idea to the PB but it uses a method to bet against a repeating pattern that the wheel randomly generates. The trigger is a starting repeat of the previously defined number of spins. eg if the last 7 spins were RBBRRBR and the next 2 spins start repeating the last pattern with RB then I would use a Martingale or D'Alembert progression for the next 5 spins betting AGAINST "BRRBR". The method also covers the Zero bet with E/C bets adjusted to cover. This reduces the House Edge and provides a bonus win when it does hit.
The method has had some success but what keeps killing this method are
1. the length of the progression (5 step progression risks approx $250 to make $5)
2. the wheel's tendency to regularly spin repeating patterns on queue when you decide to bet against it.
Looking at the PB I see many benefits over the above defined method as extensively mentioned in this thread.
1. Small bankroll by only betting 3 spins using Marty with max 7 or 14 units depending if you are targeting 1 or 2 units per session.
2. Ability to recover easily with losses recouped in next 2 sessions assuming you do not lose twice in a row.
3. Seemingly rare occurrences where last sequence will follow the previously to last sequence.
4. The equally rare occurrence where all 3 bets will be exactly the OPPOSITE of the last sequence allowing you to bet WITH or AGAINST the sequence. One bet out of the 3 will win most of the time
5. Covering the Zero bet does not have negative impact on Bankroll due to the relatively small number of bets to achieve your target profit. In fact, sized correctly you can gain the equivalent of 2 to 3 sessions due to the 35:1 payout
6. Makes good cover on online play as the bets placed by the bot are not more frequent than a real human playing the system.
If my results match what has been posted here then I will be forever grateful to the originator JL and all fellow contributors. I will post some graphs of my results playing just PB once I have some significant session time playing the system. I will also try and share some video of some sessions on you tube if anyone is interested.
(EDIT) Attached is first results from 200+ spins
Regards,
Ricky
Quote from: DamoG on Jan 25, 04:52 PM 2018
What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than
just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?
Hi all
I have the same question.
Quote from: ayk on Jan 28, 02:50 PM 2018
Quote (selected)
Just for the sake of testing, did some RNG tests (see attachement). No MM, 0 acts like loss, just flat betting!
17,5k spins, HL +89U, EO +46U, RB +57U
In this simulation, you did not use flat stake, but 1-2-4 progression.
Nevertheless, the results are very good, let's say that the triggers were over 1000, we have almost 200 units of profit, it is not known whether this will be maintained on a large sample of spins.
For sure the results will be a bit better on French roulette, due to zero.
However, it is still hard for me to imagine good results against RNG casino software.
It seems to me that no one has the knowledge of how this system really works.
I did some tests and If I make 3 random bets using marti I will get similar results.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 29, 05:52 PM 2018
It seems to me that no one has the knowledge of how this system really works.
I did some tests and If I make 3 random bets using marti I will get similar results.
The bet is on opposite of the 8th pattern forming straight after the 7th pattern forming. Thats the strategy behind it i think pal
Quote from: Apolloo on Jan 29, 06:08 PM 2018
The bet is on opposite of the 8th pattern forming straight after the 7th pattern forming. Thats the strategy behind it i think pal
What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than
just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 29, 06:17 PM 2018
What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than
just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?
It just works. I just came off a 38 game winning streak. And am on a 7 game streak now.
Sent:
Again, thank you for sharing your real playing experience with us and I appreciated it. I like the PB a lot too. I have a question for you, on averaged, I have to wait between 35-45 spins before I have the trigger to place a bet. Am I doing something wrong or is this the norm?
Good luck and Cheers!!
Quote from: Ted009 on Jan 30, 12:16 AM 2018
Sent:
Again, thank you for sharing your real playing experience with us and I appreciated it. I like the PB a lot too. I have a question for you, on averaged, I have to wait between 35-45 spins before I have the trigger to place a bet. Am I doing something wrong or is this the norm?
Good luck and Cheers!!
Hi Ted009 nope thats about the standard number of spins for a game.
The beauty in letting random select your bet for you. Is it rarelly takes longer than that. When i was betting just red and black. There were times it took over 80 spins to get down to the last pattern 8. Not anymore. My last 80 odd games have all qualified sub 50 spins.
Hi, Sentinel3,
Truly appreciated your prompt reply. I am glad I did not do anything wrong. I like to track the three EC's as suggested by you and I find it working well, too. I am a baccarat player, and I find it a consistent winner as well. I will use it at the land based casino next month. I know this PB is originally created for the game of roulette but I see it is suitable for baccarat as well.
Again, thank you very much for sharing it with us.
Cheers!!
Ps. I will change my game to roulette should it hold up better than the baccarat...
Quote from: Ted009 on Jan 30, 12:46 AM 2018
Hi, Sentinel3,
Truly appreciated your prompt reply. I am glad I did not do anything wrong. I like to track the three EC's as suggested by you and I find it working well, too. I am a baccarat player, and I find it a consistent winner as well. I will use it at the land based casino next month. I know this PB is originally created for the game of roulette but I see it is suitable for baccarat as well.
Again, thank you very much for sharing it with us.
Cheers!!
Ps. I will change my game to roulette should it hold up better than the baccarat...
Baccarat fascinates me. I would like an example of a game applying pattern breaker to it. When you have the chance. I think CHT uses pattern breaker for baccarat too.
But ive never understood how you would play a game??
@sentinel3
Do you track the three EC's at the same time? And do you bet all the three?
Can you give an example?
What progression do you use and how many session pee day?
Id like to test it using a 10, 20, 40 step progression
Sentinel3,
I use the 8 Banker/ Player combination patterns like your EC's and apply the same tracking until all the 7 patterns showing up and only one pattern is left and then bet against that pattern. I treat the Tie hand as the 0 in roulette. So if it is PPT, I just did not record that pattern. The same as BTP or BTB, etc.
My suggestion to you is keep playing the roulette. Why fix it if it ain't broken, hehe?
I have played baccarat for over 16 years and I am not ready to give it up as yet- especially with this PB discovery. This PB is only good for players who have the most disciplines and patience or this PB is no good, IMO.
Cheers!!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 30, 01:10 AM 2018
@sentinel3
Do you track the three EC's at the same time? And do you bet all the three?
Can you give an example?
What progression do you use and how many session pee day?
Id like to test it using a 10, 20, 40 step progression
Yes Andre all three at the same time.
But you go with the first qualifier ONLY. This is proving to have two advantages. Higher hit rate.
And faster games. No game ever takes more than 48 spins to qualify since ive been doing this. I used to sometimes wait over 80 spins for RED BLACK to get down to pattern 8.
HHHâ–
HHL
HLLâ–
HLHâ–
LLL
LLH
LHHâ–
LHLâ–
RRRâ–
RRB
RBBâ–
RBRâ–
BBBâ–
BBRâ–
BRR
BRBâ–
EEEâ–
EEOâ–
EOOâ–
EOEâ–
OOOâ–
OOEâ–
OEE🛑----39 SPINS bet EOO
OEOâ–
See in the example above Andre. I tracked all three simultaneously. ODD EVEN. qualified by spin 39 first.
So the wheel has selected my bet. I now proceed to bet EOO. Stop at a win or loss.
Using the original 1 2 4 prog. The hit rate has risen and the speed of games qualifying. Im a liking this alot.
I play 5 to 10 games a day. Never more than ten..And its really working. Profit is coming, bankroll is growing...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 02:33 AM 2018
Yes Andre all three at the same time.
But you go with the first qualifier ONLY. This is proving to have two advantages. Higher hit rate.
And faster games. No game ever takes more than 48 spins to qualify since ive been doing this. I used to sometimes wait over 80 spins for RED BLACK to get down to pattern 8.
HHHâ–
HHL
HLLâ–
HLHâ–
LLL
LLH
LHHâ–
LHLâ–
RRRâ–
RRB
RBBâ–
RBRâ–
BBBâ–
BBRâ–
BRR
BRBâ–
EEEâ–
EEOâ–
EOOâ–
EOEâ–
OOOâ–
OOEâ–
OEE🛑----39 SPINS bet EOO
OEOâ–
See in the example above Andre. I tracked all three simultaneously. ODD EVEN. qualified by spin 39 first.
So the wheel has selected my bet. I now proceed to bet EOO. Stop at a win or loss.
Using the original 1 2 4 prog. The hit rate has risen and the speed of games qualifying. Im a liking this alot.
I play 5 to 10 games a day. Never more than ten..And its really working. Profit is coming, bankroll is growing...
I appreciated your prompt reply.
Thank you very much for clarifying my doubts.
I'll give it a try for sure!
I wish you all the luck!
Quote from: cht on Jan 28, 08:55 PM 2018
Hi ayk, can you do a similar test of my PB style I posted on post #1562. TQ
Sorry was out of time cppl days. Sure, be so kind and send me a link to your post, as i dont know how to search for.
Did a quick simulation on yesterdays Efbet results from Mortagon (see attachement). To make things clear, I marked the triggers and the results on next 3 spins yellow.
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 30, 03:02 AM 2018
I appreciated your prompt reply.
Thank you very much for clarifying my doubts.
I'll give it a try for sure!
I wish you all the luck!
Thanks Andre. Play it exactly as I have described. And you should be successful..No two people will have the same hit rate over a given 100 game sample.
I understand that. But if im settling on a 13--1 hit rate with this. Nobody playing exactly as I do should be doing worse than 8--1 9--1.
Try to play live dealers when possible. I dont trust any automated systems.
And under no circumstances. Epose yourself to variance more than 10 times a day. This is an important element of my success. Thats why I say play it exactly as I do and the results should never be negative.
Apolloo is playing it as I do and he is currently on an 18 game win streak. So this success is not unique to me.
You just stay on track with what im doing. Thats the hardest thing to do for most people. Stay on track.
It took me three days to read most of the pages on here. It's exciting reading what you're accomplishing with this system, Sentinel3. :)
Quote from: ayk on Jan 30, 03:05 AM 2018
Sorry was out of time cppl days. Sure, be so kind and send me a link to your post, as i dont know how to search for.
Did a quick simulation on yesterdays Efbet results from Mortagon (see attachement). To make things clear, I marked the triggers and the results on next 3 spins yellow.
Cheers
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg189585#msg189585
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 30, 09:16 AM 2018
It took me three days to read most of the pages on here. It's exciting reading what you're accomplishing with this system, Sentinel3. :)
I believe anyone who applies themselves to this properly will enjoy similar success Carsch.
Another forum member Apolloo is playing as ive advised and he has an 18 game winning streak already.
I think allowing the wheel to select your bet has turned a good system into a great system. I was doing pretty good just betting RED BLACK.
But it was the wait for a game to qualify that was frustrating. Sometimes taking over 80 spins. When you let the wheel random determine your bet. It finds it faster.
It delivers more wins too. I was trying to understand why this might be. And I think its because you are hopping from even chance to even chance.
So are dodging losers for that bit longer.
Because those losing games still happen on the other two even chances that I DIDNT BET ON. But less on the ones I do.
Im running at 13.2--1. If I had played all the even chances each time. I would be running at 9.8--1. So theres really something to it.
Its amazing to watch. And even better to make money from.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 09:30 AM 2018
But it was the wait for a game to qualify that was frustrating. Sometimes taking over 80 spins.
That's why I said it's hard work. :)
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 09:30 AM 2018
I believe anyone who applies themselves to this properly will enjoy similar success Carsch.
So, i believe!
I’ve never played this strategy
But logic tells me if it does well on roulette it Must do well on baccarat
Quote from: cht on Jan 30, 09:36 AM 2018
That's why I said it's hard work. :)
Okay I get you cht. But those days are over. When tracking all 3 even chances. A game can qualify as fast as 21 spins. But never longer than 51. Thats the great thing about it. Along with the improved win rate. Most of my games are ready inside 40 spins cht. And when I log on I backtrack the 10 to 14 numbers already on the number board. So games are even faster now.
Sentinel3
What do you do if the zero hit while you are tracking the EC's?
Can I backtrack for example, 30 to 50 numbers already on the number board?
What do you do if you lose a cycle? Do you use a recovery progression?
Thanks in advance!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 30, 10:58 AM 2018
Sentinel3
What do you do if the zero hit while you are tracking the EC's?
Can I backtrack for example, 30 to 50 numbers already on the number board?
What do you do if you lose a cycle? Do you use a recovery progression?
Thanks in advance!
HI Andre.
Lets say this happened.
7-0-12-33
I would ignore the zero and write it
7-12-33 as if the zero had never happened. If I get hit by zero in the betting phase. I take it as a penalty loss. And go 2-4-8.
If I lose a game. On the very next game. I double up just for that one game.
What you must understand Andre. Is my first game of the day is my real BANKER.
I bet that game at three times.as much as the games afterwards. Because its hit rate is fantastic. In 138 days ive only lost it 6 times. Thats a superb hit rate of 22--1. So I treat it as its own little system within a system.
And I tell you. A year from now I will only play 2 games a day. And that one will be played at 50 units a day.
Its is fantastic.
Yes i had good first day or two playing this.. Then hit a real struggle of a bad couple of days were had to grind to recover losses. Them losses came on me betting RRR for 8th pattern not to come it lost BBB. next day it did it again exactly same situation, lost on the BBB. anyway i stuck with it knew a streak should come and now 18 game win streak playing just that first game.
Thanks
Well, it's not working for me
3 games 2 losses
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 30, 09:01 PM 2018
Well, it's not working for me
3 games 2 losses
Andre you have to play at least 100 games then report your win loss ratio. When I started in September last year. I had a cluster of losses. Then hit some long streaks. Where are you playing this?
I just came off a 38 game streak and am currently on a 10 game streak. Apolloo is on a 22 game winning streak. You have to give it time.
All the best...
After you finish playing your qualified set, you restrart tracking from zero or deploy past decisions?
Quote from: andrebac on Jan 31, 01:20 AM 2018
After you finish playing your qualified set, you restrart tracking from zero or deploy past decisions?
Hi you close down go to another table or online site and play a fresh game. Up to a maximum of 10 per day.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 09:58 AM 2018And when I log on I backtrack the 10 to 14 numbers already on the number board. So games are even faster now.
That's what I do to speed the game. At my B/M Casino there is history for last 20 spins. I track all three E/C and play each of them. This way I will play min 3 games in 40 spins or so. If one E/C qualifies I restart that session but continue tracking the other 2 E/C until they each qualify. I was able to complete 6 sessions today in 2 hours and won all of them. Only 1 session went to 3 steps. I am using a 6/1, 18/1, 40/3 step covering Zero on European Wheel. This progression risks $69 for a gain of $5, $10 or $14 depending on the step won. So if I lose a step or two I actually win on all steps if I do not lose all three. This speeds up the recovery too or compensates for any losses without having to increase unit size on recovery sessions
Quote from: Ricky on Jan 31, 08:51 AM 2018
That's what I do to speed the game. At my B/M Casino there is history for last 20 spins. I track all three E/C and play each of them. This way I will play min 3 games in 40 spins or so. If one E/C qualifies I restart that session but continue tracking the other 2 E/C until they each qualify. I was able to complete 6 sessions today in 2 hours and won all of them. Only 1 session went to 3 steps. I am using a 6/1, 18/1, 40/3 step covering Zero on European Wheel. This progression risks $69 for a gain of $5, $10 or $14 depending on the step won. So if I lose a step or two I actually win on all steps if I do not lose all three. This speeds up the recovery too or compensates for any losses without having to increase unit size on recovery sessions
Very good Ricky thats a pretty smart way to play it.
Although I only play the first qualifier. I monitor the other two to completion. And while my previous long streak grew to 38 games. There were still losses happening on the other two. I just wasnt catching them on that first game until I lost with RED and BLACK. On my attempt to win 39 straight.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 31, 02:22 AM 2018
Hi you close down go to another table or online site and play a fresh game. Up to a maximum of 10 per day.
Why?
23 streak came to an end today. Lets hope my next one goes that far or more.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 31, 12:02 PM 2018
Why?
Because it works Denzie. And im playing to win. Not get my arse whipped by variance. Random entry into the cycle is how you get winning streaks of 38 games. Like i just enjoyed.
Play too long and you will enter the 98% of losers in a hurry. The lesson as taught to me by my mentor Brett morton.
IF YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MONEY FOR THE DAY WITH AS LITTLE AS 🛑ONE SPIN🛑 Do it. I am playing to WIN nothing else...
So 10 is my absolute maximum number of games for the day. When my Bank is worth 10k. My base bet will be 50 euros. And if that first spin wins. IM DONE FOR THE DAY...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 31, 02:58 PM 2018
Play too long and you will enter the 98% of losers in a hurry.
Totally agree -- I have mentioned this several times before in this thread. The only reason that PB (with my own tweaks) has been working for me for the last two years is because I play it sparingly.
I play at the most 2 games consecutively. And I play only 4 games of PB during an average casino visit (which usually lasts about 6 hours).
So what if we are not lucky? Each time i sit down and track and play i lose....how will i ever get that money back ?
I mean...how can i ever know what variance bring me ? I cant :question:
Did you hear about gamblers fallacy?.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 01, 01:49 AM 2018
So what if we are not lucky? Each time i sit down and track and play i lose....how will i ever get that money back ?
I mean...how can i ever know what variance bring me ? I cant :question:
Did you hear about gamblers fallacy?.
Denzie gamblers fallacy is for people who want an excuse not to play and win. What if this what if that.
Live and play already. If you have bad luck invest some money in someone who can win and let them win for you. Everyone who doesnt like taking any risks in life wants to come with the excuses. Play as I do and you will win. Maybe not as many long winning streaks but you will win.
On carefully observing what sentinel is doing I have come to the conclusion that mathematically it makes perfect sense after the modification he has done on PB. The original method Before the modification didn’t. Way to go sentinel.
Three observations from my end though. One - it doesn’t matter whether you bet for the pattern or against the pattern. Really, it doesn’t! The results will be the same. Two - you don’t have to play a waiting game. It should be played every spin right from the word go. Three - first game of the day, playing few games etc are complete bollocks. You can play as many games as you want.
The key here is odds that Steve talks about. Whatever you do, you cannot change the odds, however there is a way sentinel has changed the odds here. Hats off mate.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 01, 12:32 PM 2018
On carefully observing what sentinel is doing I have come to the conclusion that mathematically it makes perfect sense after the modification he has done on PB. The original method Before the modification didn’t. Way to go sentinel.
Three observations from my end though. One - it doesn’t matter whether you bet for the pattern or against the pattern. Really, it doesn’t! The results will be the same. Two - you don’t have to play a waiting game. It should be played every spin right from the word go. Three - first game of the day, playing few games etc are complete bollocks. You can play as many games as you want.
The key here is odds that Steve talks about. Whatever you do, you cannot change the odds, however there is a way sentinel has changed the odds here. Hats off mate.
Tin soldiers I can assure you PLAYING FOR PATTERN 8. Is not the same as playing against. I had 5 winning games in a row recently.
That were COMPLETE reverses of pattern 8. So if for example you had been betting for the following.
EEO
HHL
RRB
EOE
BRR
You would have been slaughtered.
The original pattern breaker was decent. I was making money playing just RED AND BLACK. Letting the wheel decide your bet. You get a slightly higher win rate. Theres no question about that.
Because for example when I had my longest winning streak of 38. The two even chances I didnt bet on had 4 losses across those 38 wins. Had i just been playing RED & BLACK. My streak would have been 15 GAMES at the longest. Not 38.
So allowing random to deal you your bet selection both increases. HIT RATE and speed of game qualification. Both positive improvements.
And I cant agree about playing all day either. The reason most fail at this game is because they expose themselves to variance too much.
And when you do that. You are gonna lose. Just 10 games a day is a perfect sample to keep a decent win rate. And I will tell you this.
If i could get away with playing one big game a day on any online casino..I would play one big game a day.
Nothing touches the win rate of that first game. In 140 days its only lost 6 times. Think that over for a while
Im currently on a hit rate of 22--1. You will never ever get that playing all day. Trust me on that.
You may want to call a dog, a pooch, a pup, a hound etc. At the end of the day it is a dog. Variance doesn’t work the way you describe. Go ahead, give it a go. I assure you the win rate that you are seeing will remain the same whether you play one game in a day or 100 games in a day. And I can assure you that the first game is nothing special. You have every right to believe what you believe, I can only crunch numbers and I clearly see the above two doesn’t make sense.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 01, 02:51 PM 2018
You may want to call a dog, a pooch, a pup, a hound etc. At the end of the day it is a dog. Variance doesn’t work the way you describe. Go ahead, give it a go. I assure you the win rate that you are seeing will remain the same whether you play one game in a day or 100 games in a day. And I can assure you that the first game is nothing special. You have every right to believe what you believe, I can only crunch numbers and I clearly see the above two doesn’t make sense.
Right on the money :thumbsup:
That variance will put his a$$ down on those first special spins too. And thats a fact.
But again....as long its winning keep going to the fullest :thumbsup:
Hi Sen,
do still play on pattern 7 to hit, then straight agains pattern 8? or only against pattern 8?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 01, 02:51 PM 2018
You may want to call a dog, a pooch, a pup, a hound etc. At the end of the day it is a dog. Variance doesn’t work the way you describe. Go ahead, give it a go. I assure you the win rate that you are seeing will remain the same whether you play one game in a day or 100 games in a day. And I can assure you that the first game is nothing special. You have every right to believe what you believe, I can only crunch numbers and I clearly see the above two doesn’t make sense.
Tin Soldiers.
Who has played over a 1000 games of PB in REALITY. You or me?
Go ahead I will give you 1000 quid if you can get and KEEP a win rate of 22--1 playing all day. I gaurantee it will never happen. GO AHEAD. And actually PLAY 200 REAL GAMES. Tin soldiers.
You can number crunch all day. Thats not roulette. Actually put some REAL WORK IN. For a couple of months. Them come back with an apology. I will be waiting.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 01, 03:21 PM 2018
Go ahead I will give you 1000 quid if you can get and KEEP a win rate of 22--1 playing all day. I gaurantee it will never happen. GO AHEAD. And actually PLAY 200 REAL GAMES. Tin soldiers.
I accept the challenge. We have to get to a common ground though. Like you are saying you are getting 22-1, I can come tomm and say I have played all day and I got 22-1. Will you accept my answer and give me 1000 quid? Guess not.
The common ground that I suggest is this. There is a great thread in this forum where Real spins everyday from efbet online casino is being posted. I play 200 games continuously. I play 200 games playing one game every day. We compare the win rates between them. If they are comparable I get 1000 quid as per your offer.
I have accepted the challenge. Go ahead and put your money where your mouth is and prove that you are not just talking. As soon as you say ok to this I start playing from Jan 1st of last year and publish the results.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 01, 04:02 PM 2018
I accept the challenge. We have to get to a common ground though. Like you are saying you are getting 22-1, I can come tomm and say I have played all day and I got 22-1. Will you accept my answer and give me 1000 quid? Guess not.
The common ground that I suggest is this. There is a great thread in this forum where Real spins everyday from efbet online casino is being posted. I play 200 games continuously. I play 200 games playing one game every day. We compare the win rates between them. If they are comparable I get 1000 quid as per your offer.
I have accepted the challenge. Go ahead and put your money where your mouth is and prove that you are not just talking. As soon as you say ok to this I start playing from Jan 1st of last year and publish the results.
Thats not how it works tin soldier. You will join an online account. Where I CAN SEE you played 200 games. You can bet small money. Let me put it to you like this.
You will have to reach 200 games having only lost 9.
That means if you start with 100 euro. By the end of your 200 games you have to have won AT LEAST 191 GAMES MINUS the the 63 units you are allowed to lose.
That means Tin Soldier. If your balance after 200 games is less than 228 units from 200 games of 1-2-4. You have lost the bet. And I will expect a full apology from you on this forum.
If your balance is 228 or better. You will give.me you account details. And I will deposit 1000 into your account. After inspecting it for myself.
Im not dealing with no back tracking cherry picking nonsense. You will play exactly as I do.
Then tell me I dont know what im talking about.
So do you accept this???
You can ask anyone who has played this game for a long period of time. Like Dr Sudoku on this forum. The more you play. The more likely to hit losses.
But you will find that out for yourself. And even if you fluked a lucky period over a 1000 games that strikerate would drop down. I could make you play a 1000 games to prove that. But I will give you a chance to fluke a lucky run.
There is only one problem here sentinel. This assumes your claim of 22-1 is true and you have played 200 first games with this win ratio. What is the proof. If you can show the proof then am ok with this. Go on show me the proof.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 01, 04:19 PM 2018
There is only one problem here sentinel. This assumes your claim of 22-1 is true and you have played 200 first games with this win ratio. What is the proof. If you can show the proof then am ok with this. Go on show me the proof.
That is impossible for me to prove because i play across several accounts. Thats why you should know I know my stuff.
If I tell you its near impossible to achieve 22--1 playing continuously. You should know I know what im talking about.
It would take me 200 days to prove to you Tin Soldier that im achieving a 20-1 plus win rate.
I would have to set aside one of my accounts specifically to play one game a day. For 200 days. Then you can log in and see for yourself.
But you arent going to wait 200 days are you?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 01, 04:29 PM 2018
That is impossible for me to prove because i play across several accounts. Thats why you should know I know my stuff.
Again you say you are playing across several accounts, even I play across several accounts and many people here do. Does that logically make me say the same thing to you that you should know I know my stuff.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 01, 04:29 PM 2018
If I tell you its near impossible to achieve 22--1 playing continuously. You should know I know what im talking about.
Funniest statement I have heard. It is worse than our prime minister saying brexit means brexit and asking us to believe that she knows what she is talking about. :wink:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 01, 04:29 PM 2018
But you arent going to wait 200 days are you?
Only yesterday I finished reading this whole thread and related ones and the original poster claimed the same. He asked everyone to wait for a particular day in the year and just vanished. We all can choose to believe that he is counting his bankroll.
Don’t postpone your false statements for 200 more days. I am not saying your 22-1 is false. I have no real reason to think either ways and I have to trust you here with your claims. All am saying is variance is not what you think it is. Playing 1 game in 200 days or playing 200 game in one day is the same thing.
What I have requested is fair and exact replica of what you would have done. They are real spins from real casino. Take 200 days back and we can easily see playing one game a day gets you where. I don’t see why you should say no to it, unless what you are claiming is false.
Or I can wait till 200 days and put up with your ignorance. Choice is yours mate.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 01, 04:42 PM 2018
Again you say you are playing across several accounts, even I play across several accounts and many people here do. Does that logically make me say the same thing to you that you should know I know my stuff.
Funniest statement I have heard. It is worse than our prime minister saying brexit means brexit and asking us to believe that she knows what she is talking about. :wink:
Only yesterday I finished reading this whole thread and related ones and the original poster claimed the same. He asked everyone to wait for a particular day in the year and just vanished. We all can choose to believe that he is counting his bankroll.
Don’t postpone your false statements for 200 more days. What I have requested is fair and exact replica of what you would have done. They are real spins from real casino. Take 200 days back and we can easily see playing one game a day gets you where.
Or I can wait till 200 days and put up with your ignorance. Choice is yours mate.
You want me to prove to you that I can achieve a 20-1 plus win rate playing one game a day. I told you Im doing it. To back out of a bet you will never win. You have now asked me to prove i can achieve that.
The only way I can prove that is to play for 200 days and let you inspect the results. Theres no other way around it.
Dr Sudoku plays no more that 4 games in a calendar day. Go and ask him why he has done this for the last 2 years.
People who ACTUALLY PLAY this system TS know better. You are siding with 1 plus 1 = 2. Yes it does. But when it comes to the reality of roulette. Things simply dont happen that way. Thats what makes the game fascinating and very beatable. For those who understand this.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 01, 04:51 PM 2018
The only way I can prove that is to play for 200 days and let you inspect the results. Theres no other way around it.
Are you scared of the truth sentinel? What I offered doesn’t make you wait 200 days. Exactly as you play, one game a day using the results from efbet that is published here each day every day. Live Casino spins, real spins. What are you scared of. Why do you not want to try.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 01, 04:51 PM 2018
Dr Sudoku plays no more that 4 games in a calendar day. Go and ask him why he has done this for the last 2 years.
In all fairness any member here is not a reference point. I welcome him to comment on the offer that I have made on testing one game a day on efbet spins for the last 200 days. I welcome him or any member to tell me why the process i suggested is not right and do not mimic your playing conditions.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 01, 04:51 PM 2018
People who ACTUALLY PLAY this system TS know better. You are siding with 1 plus 1 = 2. Yes it does.
There is a reason 1+1 is 2. It can never be anything else. I am ok with you claiming you have 22-1 win ratio. I am ok with you wanting to share with everyone your success. What am not ok with is your definition of variance. Again I say, you don’t escape variance because you play 1 game a day. You will hit variance. I agree that your method has a mathematical advantage and I can prove that the advantage is somewhere 22 games winning to 1-2 games losing ratio. What I don’t agree is your definition of variance. And yes repeating your own words you have to know that I know what am saying. :wink:
If you are still scared to go ahead, i can’t help it. But if you are not, let’s agree to test this out.
There are wild claims.
There are weird claims.
There are claims made with motive.
Some are naive.
Some lack knowledge.
Some have ulterior motive - the con-artist. :thumbsup:
Wise up, you won't ever change the world.
Value your time.
Make your say and move on.
"You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time but not all the people all the time. "
If you make money however wild or weird from math sense it may be, just keep making your money.
No point come on forum to convince others that you're one luckyfella, the gambler with the midas touch.
If you push too hard, you unnecessarily put yourself in the con-artist group. :o
DoctorSudoku, are you serious with your play a few games you will win claim ?
You do recommend others to follow your style of play few games per visit ?
Just a confirmation post. :question:
sentinel
you have reached a point where old forum members who are no longer here have now made new usernames and their one and only goal is to trash what is going on
ive learned to just ignore it
ignore it
dont attempt to justify it
just continue to play and post results
ive gone through it, not worth it
just keep on with what you are doing
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 01, 07:37 PM 2018
sentinel
you have reached a point where old forum members who are no longer here have now made new usernames and their one and only goal is to trash what is going on
ive learned to just ignore it
ignore it
dont attempt to justify it
just continue to play and post results
Don't forget the one who trash
systems play the most.
He's your resident con-artist. :xd:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 01, 07:37 PM 2018
sentinel
you have reached a point where old forum members who are no longer here have now made new usernames and their one and only goal is to trash what is going on
ive learned to just ignore it
ignore it
dont attempt to justify it
just continue to play and post results
ive gone through it, not worth it
just keep on with what you are doing
Thankyou Roulette Ghost. Good advice that I shall heed...
Ok. I believe this is heading where I don’t want it to head. Now people especially sentinel should read what I have posted before closing their eyes shut.
I said the system he modified holds mathematical edge. I also said I can prove with math it can win 22-1.
However, I suggested you could do a couple of things which doesn’t make you wait like you do now. Playing as many a day is one of those things. You can continue to live in ignorance about variance and waste your time or go ahead and give my suggestion a thought and try playing more games. Upto you to have a open mind or close it and say, I know what am doing.
As CHT says, I have had my say and am moving on. All the best mate.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 02, 02:03 AM 2018
Ok. I believe this is heading where I don’t want it to head. Now people especially sentinel should read what I have posted before closing their eyes shut.
I said the system he modified holds mathematical edge. I also said I can prove with math it can win 22-1.
However, I suggested you could do a couple of things which doesn’t make you wait like you do now. Playing as many a day is one of those things. You can continue to live in ignorance about variance and waste your time or go ahead and give my suggestion a thought and try playing more games. Upto you to have a open mind or close it and say, I know what am doing.
As CHT says, I have had my say and am moving on. All the best mate.
Did it not occur to you that I have tried playing more games.
THE RESULT. THE WIN RATE settled dangerously low at between 8-1 and 9-1. The way I now play the win rate holds between 12--1 and 14--1.
We do things for a reason Tin Soldier. Just like Dr Sudoku realized 4 games a day max made him a winner.
Im telling you what I do works better than playing too much. Where you could run into 4 or 5 losses in a row. Etc. But like I said until you actually play 500 to 1000 games of this thing. You will argue until the cows come home.
Once you have a significant sample of real time experience under your belt. You will humble yourself to what ive just written.
You have to PLAY IT TO KNOW IT...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 02, 02:31 AM 2018
Did it not occur to you that I have tried playing more games.
THE RESULT. THE WIN RATE settled dangerously low at between 8-1 and 9-1. The way I now play the win rate holds between 12--1 and 14--1.
We do things for a reason Tin Soldier. Just like Dr Sudoku realized 4 games a day max made him a winner.
Im telling you what I do works better than playing too much. Where you could run into 4 or 5 losses in a row. Etc. But like I said until you actually play 500 to 1000 games of this thing. You will argue until the cows come home.
Once you have a significant sample of real time experience under your belt. You will humble yourself to what ive just written.
You have to PLAY IT TO KNOW IT...
What is the way you are playing now?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 02, 02:31 AM 2018Once you have a significant sample of real time experience under your belt. You will humble yourself to what ive just written.
Learn a thing or two today mate. Making assumptions of things that you don’t know is not a good thing. You know only what you know. As I write this am playing my 438th game. My experience - you don’t have to restrict yourselves. I get anywhere between 0-2 losses for every 24 games.
It is your life and your game boss. You choose to live in ignorance. I can only tell you that there is a road that has been laid new. You can chose to listen or follow the bumpy old road. I am not here to change the world. But if you choose to make wrong assumptions about what I do in my life, I can say for sure that is something you don’t know anything about. Thanks mate for listening
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 02, 03:55 AM 2018
Learn a thing or two today mate. Making assumptions of things that you don’t know is not a good thing. You know only what you know. As I write this am playing my 438th game. My experience - you don’t have to restrict yourselves. I get anywhere between 0-2 losses for every 24 games.
It is your life and your game boss. You choose to live in ignorance. I can only tell you that there is a road that has been laid new. You can chose to listen or follow the bumpy old road. I am not here to change the world. But if you choose to make wrong assumptions about what I do in my life, I can say for sure that is something you don’t know anything about. Thanks mate for listening
Just a minute, so you are telling me you have played 438 real games with a live dealer?
Or just paper tested against old spins?
I suspect the latter. Its not the same thing at all. So you have played 438 games. What is your current win/loss record?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 02, 05:48 AM 2018Just a minute, so you are telling me you have played 438 real games with a live dealer?
Yes. No waiting times, no playing 4-5 games a day, play as much as i can and today is the 5th day in running. Speed roulette table on betfair suits me fine as you dont need more than 2 seconds to place your bets and they spin close to 2 spins a minute. And I dont believe in paper testing. As long as my number crunching is right, i test playing one or two games and then dive in.
I already told you results of the games. Here it goes again. I see them in sets of 24 games each. 6 sets of 24 games had all wins, 7 sets of 24 games had 1 loss each and 4 sets of 24 games had 2 losses each and 1 set of 24 game had 4 losses in it. I am playing the 19th 24 game set now.
432 games and 19 losses if I put it your way and that is a little better than 22-1 ratio. I play a different money management than what you do, but if I play the 1-3-7 you adviced then this is +204 units.
Now again, my point is not to establish your method is winning or losing. Not to establish whether you are riding on your luck or it is a mathematical winning game. If it wins for you am happy for you, and if it wins am very happy that you shared it. Let me remind you again, my sole purpose is to tell you that variance as you think is not variance.Variance will catch you whether you play 5 games a day or 50 games a day. Variance does not know when you are playing which game. It only knows numbers. It does not matter whether you play 1000 games in one day or you play one game for 1000 days. It is what it is - 1000 games.
Based on my experience on playing real spins I reiterate what I have observed - it does not matter whether you bet for or against the pattern, it does not matter whether you play 5 games a day or 200 games a day and there definitely is a possibility I can work towards to play every spin and not play a waiting game. Now I will let you decide what to do with this information, as I do not think I should continue, as I dont want to sound like a moron.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 02, 06:40 AM 2018
Yes. No waiting times, no playing 4-5 games a day, play as much as i can and today is the 5th day in running. Speed roulette table on betfair suits me fine as you dont need more than 2 seconds to place your bets and they spin close to 2 spins a minute. And I dont believe in paper testing. As long as my number crunching is right, i test playing one or two games and then dive in.
I already told you results of the games. Here it goes again. I see them in sets of 24 games each. 6 sets of 24 games had all wins, 7 sets of 24 games had 1 loss each and 4 sets of 24 games had 2 losses each and 1 set of 24 game had 4 losses in it. I am playing the 19th 24 game set now.
432 games and 19 losses if I put it your way and that is a little better than 22-1 ratio. I play a different money management than what you do, but if I play the 1-3-7 you adviced then this is +204 units.
Now again, my point is not to establish your method is winning or losing. Not to establish whether you are riding on your luck or it is a mathematical winning game. If it wins for you am happy for you, and if it wins am very happy that you shared it. Let me remind you again, my sole purpose is to tell you that variance as you think is not variance.Variance will catch you whether you play 5 games a day or 50 games a day. Variance does not know when you are playing which game. It only knows numbers. It does not matter whether you play 1000 games in one day or you play one game for 1000 days. It is what it is - 1000 games.
Based on my experience on playing real spins I reiterate what I have observed - it does not matter whether you bet for or against the pattern, it does not matter whether you play 5 games a day or 200 games a day and there definitely is a possibility I can work towards to play every spin and not play a waiting game. Now I will let you decide what to do with this information, as I do not think I should continue, as I dont want to sound like a moron.
Well its time for me to throw down the gauntlet. I am the creator of this System. Yes I am the one formerly known as JOHN LEGEND.
And im going to tell you. If you are telling me the truth You have achieved an overall strikerate. I have never hit in 11 years and 13,000 games since I created this baby.
Maybe we should all start playing speed roulette. In 13,000 odd games on a real wheel. My average strikerate has been 14--1. And people have called me a liar for that.
So if you are really hitting 22--1 playing all day long. You are doing better than I ever did.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 02, 06:58 AM 2018Well its time for me to throw down the gauntlet. I am the creator of this System. Yes I am the one formerly known as JOHN LEGEND
I am out of this thread as I know what is going to happen now. Enjoy the posts that follow this.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 02, 07:02 AM 2018
I am out of this thread as I know what is going to happen now. Enjoy the posts that follow this.
Relax nobody here remembers me. It was 6 years ago I was last on here as JL.
Probably will be banned again now ive come out But just wanted you to know. Ive seen it all with this system. And if you are truly hitting that strikerate. And can hold it. You are doing better than me and anyone Ive ever known who has played it longterm. Kudos to you...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 02, 07:28 AM 2018
And can hold it.
19 sets is a very small sample. But I am not doing anything different from what you have said except for playing more games in a day
Hi JL,
I just KNEW that it was you all the time. :)
Anyhow, I'm pleased you came clean and finally admitted it.
Welcome back to the forum and many thanks for continuing this great topic. Forget the past history, I'm really glad you're back contributing and helping others to master this game and search for the ultimate casino-breaker.
Best regards,
Atlantis
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 02, 07:40 AM 2018
Hi JL,
I just KNEW that it was you all the time. :)
Anyhow, I'm pleased you came clean and finally admitted it.
Welcome back to the forum and many thanks for continuing this great topic. Forget the past history, I'm really glad you're back contributing and helping others to master this game and search for the ultimate casino-breaker.
Best regards,
Atlantis
Same here.
Thank you Sir JL, Sentinel3 and The Bedsit Botter. I knew all these three persons are same.
Thank you Sir JL for this masterpiece. any other variation for fast playing at B&M will be highly appreciated.
Love and Light ,
SugTips.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 02, 07:40 AM 2018
Hi JL,
I just KNEW that it was you all the time. :)
Anyhow, I'm pleased you came clean and finally admitted it.
Welcome back to the forum and many thanks for continuing this great topic. Forget the past history, I'm really glad you're back contributing and helping others to master this game and search for the ultimate casino-breaker.
Best regards,
Atlantis
ha ha i never could fool you Atlantis. I know my writing style is hard to disguise. Yes I didnt want to announce it straight off because I wanted to get a few tweaks across for PB. But Tin soldier pushed my buttons.
With his claim for an amazing continuous strikerate for PB. So I just had to let him know that amazes me as the author and long time user of this system.
Quote from: sugtips on Feb 02, 07:54 AM 2018
Same here.
Thank you Sir JL, Sentinel3 and The Bedsit Botter. I knew all these three persons are same.
Thank you Sir JL for this masterpiece. any other variation for fast playing at B&M will be highly appreciated.
Love and Light ,
SugTips.
Uh BEDSIT BOTTER LMAO. No sugtips that definately wasnt me.
I was indeed formerly known as JL. I am thankful for your kind words though. Thankyou very much.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 02, 07:38 AM 2018
19 sets is a very small sample. But I am not doing anything different from what you have said except for playing more games in a day
Tin Soldier lets start over.
All I can say is well done. And that is amazing. To be honest. I havent played enough games with the revised system of using all three even chances simultaneously to find that first bet.
So its possible the strikerate is capable of getting as high as you have gotten.
If thats the case i will have to use it with more regularity myself. And this system just became one of the greatest for sure. If I say so myself.
It occurred to me recently that while I used to single out just one even chance at a time. Initially H L as everyone knows.
I might be missing something more powerful. If playing the even chances as a whole set. And if what you are reporting is what is to be expected and enjoyed. We have something very powerful here indeed.
Aha your the famous JL.
Now let me ask you... how did your other systems go ? I've heard you was going on a huge casinotrip to make a killing. Did you?
Now back to that Magic first game. Why you think its special ? You let the Wheel decide when to start. But you use this strategy daily. Dont you think that variance will come on those first games ? Ill give you the answer .... many small games make one BIG game....therefor that variance you try to avoid will come get you. I PROMISE :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Feb 02, 08:50 AM 2018
Aha your the famous JL.
Now let me ask you... how did your other systems go ? I've heard you was going on a huge casinotrip to make a killing. Did you?
Now back to that Magic first game. Why you think its special ? You let the Wheel decide when to start. But you use this strategy daily. Dont you think that variance will come on those first games ? Ill give you the answer .... many small games make one BIG game....therefor that variance you try to avoid will come get you. I PROMISE :thumbsup:
Denzie how will that now happen..Dont you see. Tin soldiers is reporting a killer winning streak for PB. Playing it whenever you want.
If I was wrong to think the first game is special..That doesnt take anything away from the fact my new revised PB. Is now possibly the greatest roulette system unit for unit of alltime.
What can variance do to a strikerate of 22--1 Denzie. Whether it is for that one game a day. Or continuously all day.
22--1 when break even is 7--1. Means one thing. Anyone playing the revised PB CANNOT LOSE.
It is the HOLY GRAIL everyone searched for. I always knew it was a strong system. Just a shame as I always knew. Not enough people would take to it.
What I said 7 years ago I still say. The system doesnt fail. The human mind fails first. You start off with a cluster of losses and then announce the system a failure..Like Andre Class appears have.
So Tin Soldiers applied himself to this. I should and do thank him for doing so
Because it would seem. He has proven..that the revised PB is as good as it gets. Nobody not even myself. Would have believed true odds of 7--1 could be elevated to an incredible 22-1 with my tweak. I was hoping for maybe 15--1.
Yes I went to Europe and had a great time. And made some decent money. The other systems didnt hold up so well..Code 4 fell apart..started finding too many losses. Divide and conquer aswell.
The Matrix systems are more reliable. But a pain to play in a walk in casino. PATTERN BREAKER remains my finest moment..And my revised version is the ultimate even chance system I believe.
I am getting 22--1 on that first game its true. And currently getting 15--1 overall.
But it doesnt matter whether its 15--1 or 22--1..The only thing that now.matters is this. There are no excuses. PATTERN BREAKER REVISED IS HERE.ON THIS FORUM..It defeats the game of roulette easily. If you definately want to win at roulette. PLAY IT.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 02, 09:17 AM 2018So Tin Soldiers applied himself to this. I should and do thank him for doing so
Please don’t believe in anything you read. Test for yourselves to see what works well. As I said 19 sets is a small sample. I might have got lucky.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 02, 10:04 AM 2018
Please don’t believe in anything you read. Test for yourselves to see what works well. As I said 19 sets is a small sample. I might have got lucky.
Well i still think you have lol..But if you even settle into the middle teens eventually 15--1 to 16--1..Thats still an improvement over the original system.
Heres where I stand after 355 games of the new revised PB.
GAMES PLAYED=355
GAMES WON=333
GAMES LOST=22
STRIKERATE=15--1
BREAK EVEN=7--1
LONGEST WIN STREAK 38 GAMES
CURRENT WIN STREAK 14 GAMES
(FIRST GAME OF THE DAY)
GAMES PLAYED=141
GAMES WON=135
GAMES LOST=6
LONGEST FIRST GAME OF THE DAY STREAK 36 DAYS
CURRENT STREAK 21 DAYS
STRIKERATE=22--1
BREAK EVEN=7--1
Sentinel
You are doing great. Good job
In a negative expectation game with a house edge we cannot beat, it’s a good thing to be ahead after the losses
No doubt how you are playing is solid
Who cares if system and strategies are silly.
Only one that it should matter to is you.
Are you playing the original method?
For the pattern or against the pattern?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 02, 10:22 AM 2018
Heres where I stand after 355 games of the new revised PB
In all those days and wins, how many spins you've been playing?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 02, 11:02 AM 2018
Are you playing the original method?
For the pattern or against the pattern?
Always against the last pattern Andre...
Quote from: celescliff on Feb 02, 11:30 AM 2018
In all those days and wins, how many spins you've been playing?
Why is that important?
A game of PB can be over in one spin..So over the 141 days we will go with the average of 2 spins a game. Making 282 spins.
For the 355 games the same. So 710 spins average.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 02, 11:42 AM 2018
Why is that important?
A game of PB can be over in one spin..So over the 141 days we will go with the average of 2 spins a game. Making 282 spins.
For the 355 games the same. So 710 spins average.
Every played spin belongs in one long term session and if you only played a few thousand spins you should not be suprised if the result will eventually go south.
I've had sessions with a method that played every spin that has going up over hundred thousand spins and then starting to go down.
There is not enough spins you played to claim that you have a HG.
You are not changing any odds betting against a pattern either. The odds are exactly the same no matter how long you wait. Thats not an opinion.
I'm happy for you that you won all these sessions over the years and hope you continue to do so.
Quote from: celescliff on Feb 02, 02:51 PM 2018
Every played spin belongs in one long term session and if you only played a few thousand spins you should not be suprised if the result will eventually go south.
I've had sessions with a method that played every spin that has going up over hundred thousand spins and then starting to go down.
There is not enough spins you played to claim that you have a HG.
You are not changing any odds betting against a pattern either. The odds are exactly the same no matter how long you wait. Thats not an opinion.
I'm happy for you that you won all these sessions over the years and hope you continue to do so.
Okay thankyou,
To be clear though, I have never been concerned about the math. Otherwise I would.never have touched the game and have been alot worse off financially. What is supposed to happen with this game. And what does happen are two different things.
I have now been playing this system for 11 years. And not one of them has produced a negative downturn.
In its original format. It fluctuated between 10--1 and 14--1. It never once went below its true odds of 7--1.
In its new improved format. It is fluctuating between 13--1 and 16--1.
The plus 10 winning streaks have become more regular. If you have been playing a system for over 11 years. And not once has it produced a negative downturn in those 11 years. And nearly 14,000 games.
Then you can only feel positive about it. And thats why I feel it is that good. Its never let me down. And has been my bread and butter system for a long time.
Yes, mathematically roulette is unbeatable, but maths doesn't play roulette, people do....
...why people play the [systems] game, some of which might be:
It's just fun.
The challenge of attempting the "impossible".
To learn about randomness, probability, statistics, and risk.
To learn self-discipline and how to master their impulses and emotions.
Because creating roulette systems is an exercise in creativity. ----------Bayes
link:://forum.x/index.php?topic=977.msg13489#msg13489
[quote author=sentinel3 link=topic=4655.msg190055#msg190055
I have now been playing this system for 11 years. And not one of them has produced a negative downturn.
In its original format. It fluctuated between 10--1 and 14--1. It never once went below its true odds of 7--1.
[/quote]
Which one u playing for 11 yrs? PB has been published on 2011. If u r johnlegend then its another story.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 02, 09:36 PM 2018
[quote author=sentinel3 link=topic=4655.msg190055#msg190055
I have now been playing this system for 11 years. And not one of them has produced a negative downturn.
In its original format. It fluctuated between 10--1 and 14--1. It never once went below its true odds of 7--1.
Which one u playing for 11 yrs? PB has been published on 2011. If u r johnlegend then its another story.
Hi Madi
I am the one formerly known as JL. And yes I have been playing this for 11 years. It was published on here in 2011. But I created it 4 years earlier.
Thanks to JL contributions, this simple game can be a lot faster with higher winrate(>=15-1) when played sequentially. Top rated. :thumbsup:
I was testing it on RX and I figured out something similar to its system but it plays faster with great results.
Wait one of these two patterns to form and bet against immediately.
R
B
B
Bet
B
R
R
...................
B
R
R
Bet
R
B
B
Progression 1-2-4 stoploss
Try it and take your own conclusions.
PS Never bet against RRR or BBB or BRB or RBR
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 02, 10:29 PM 2018
I was testing it on RX and I figured out something similar to its system but it plays faster with great results.
Wait one of these two patterns to form and bet against immediately.
R
B
B
Bet
B
R
R
...................
B
R
R
Bet
R
B
B
Progression 1-2-4 stoploss
Try it and take your own conclusions.
PS Never bet against RRR or BBB or BRB or RBR
Andre, you're on the right track. :thumbsup:
To avoid the zero, I play it on baccarat. Great results.
To JL, aka SENTINEL or whoever,
today started my journey with PB,
play 2 games and won both, at 1st and 3rd attempt.
thanks for sharing, I will keep you updated as far as the game progresses.
I started playing low stakes, with the aim to reinvest my gains in bankroll
:)
Quote from: andrebac on Feb 03, 12:42 AM 2018
To JL, aka SENTINEL or whoever,
today started my journey with PB,
play 2 games and won both, at 1st and 3rd attempt.
thanks for sharing, I will keep you updated as far as the game progresses.
I started playing low stakes, with the aim to reinvest my gains in bankroll
:)
Hi well done.
Just play it in 100 game samples. And you will start to believe in it as I do...
It seems the Forum's morale is up.
Maybe users here really are winning with PB.
Just a good feeling I'm sensing.
Today is my off-day from the casino.
I played the system on roulettesimulator. Doubled the account in 45 spins.
Don't accuse me of making multiple accounts, it's only one account and only once.
Or the simulator is rigged for me to win.:thumbsup:
This is the proof you may need to know how good this PB systems bet is.
Don't EVER PM me for anything cause you know I won't respond.
JL
I think u r in a position of placing $100 a bet after playing a long time. Why u r still playing in online? Place
$500 a bet just only one game at b$m and finish for the day.
Quote from: cht on Feb 03, 02:57 AM 2018
Today is my off-day from the casino.
I played the system on roulettesimulator. Doubled the account in 45 spins.
Don't accuse me of making multiple accounts, it's only one account and only once.
Or the simulator is rigged for me to win.:thumbsup:
This is the proof you may need to know how good this PB systems bet is.
Don't EVER PM me for anything cause you know I won't respond.
I played with this excel sheet. Enjoy.
Use pen and paper in the casino. :thumbsup:
Yay Tinsoldiers has done very well too! :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Feb 03, 02:57 AM 2018
Today is my off-day from the casino.
I played the system on roulettesimulator. Doubled the account in 45 spins.
Don't accuse me of making multiple accounts, it's only one account and only once.
Or the simulator is rigged for me to win.:thumbsup:
This is the proof you may need to know how good this PB systems bet is.
Don't EVER PM me for anything cause you know I won't respond.
Hi cht
Dont understand how you doubled account in 45 spins.
Playing PB you can get 7 units to 8u maybe 9u in 45 spins... Unless you playing a different way. Or im missing something.
Cheers
Quote from: Madi on Feb 03, 03:02 AM 2018
JL
I think u r in a position of placing $100 a bet after playing a long time. Why u r still playing in online? Place
$500 a bet just only one game at b$m and finish for the day.
Hi Madi,
I would never risk $500 on one bet. Remember we are using a 3 step marty here. If im pushed to the third step or suffer a loss. Thats 3,500 gone like that.
I prefer smaller games. At one tenth that risk. If you lose $350 for a game you can pull it back within the same day. My aim is to win 5 to 10 units a day. And if I do that at $50 a time. Thats 250 to 500 a day. Im quite happy with that.
Hi sentinel3,
I have a question:
If you lose the first game (3-6-12) - 21 units, what are you doing?
Continue playing with (1-2-4), or this is the maximum loss for that day, and "turn off the computer"
Thanks.
Quote from: Perperikon on Feb 03, 06:52 AM 2018
Hi sentinel3,
I have a question:
If you lose the first game (3-6-12) - 21 units, what are you doing?
Continue playing with (1-2-4), or this is the maximum loss for that day, and "turn off the computer"
Thanks.
Hi there,
No I would still play my 5 to 10 games for the day. In the knowledge that over the coming days I will pull that loss back.
How you have to train your mind to think is LONGTERM Perperikon. The biggest mistake made by nearly every gambler. Is to go into an immediate panic. OMG I have lost a chunk ive got to recover it at once.
If like me you know the strength of your system. You will never panic. You will just say oh well thats a step in the wrong direction and play on.
Remember I treat that first game as a system within a system. It wins at over 20--1.
I have had years where its only lost 15 times out of 365 days. Think that over for a moment. 15 times. That an incredible strikerate of 23--1 for a game with true odds of 7--1 So as Ive said before you treat this like a little business.
And go after a longterm profit. And you will get it.✌
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 03, 04:04 AM 2018
Hi cht
Dont understand how you doubled account in 45 spins.
Playing PB you can get 7 units to 8u maybe 9u in 45 spins... Unless you playing a different way. Or im missing something.
Cheers
He plays this way
Wait one of these two patterns to form and bet against immediately.
R
B
B
Bet
B
R
R
...................
B
R
R
Bet
R
B
B
Progression 1-2-4 stoploss
PS Never bet against RRR or BBB or BRB or RBR
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 01:40 PM 2018
He plays this way
Wait one of these two patterns to form and bet against immediately.
R
B
B
Bet
B
R
R
...................
B
R
R
Bet
R
B
B
Progression 1-2-4 stoploss
PS Never bet against RRR or BBB or BRB or RBR
Thought so after reading your post.
I tested a little lastnight!
7 16 4 bet EOO
36 29 13. (W) bet BRR, OEE
19 25 27 (WW)
31 16 24 bet EOO
22 17 24 (W).
1 34 36 bet. EOO, HLL
14 14 13 (WW).
30 19 34
22 8 29
10 18 9 bet RBB
32 3 12 (W) bet LHH
36 21 3 (W). bet OEE
35 19 28 (W)
22 21 12 bet RBB
22 11 34 (W).
33 33 14
20 1 28
15 15 7
24 24 9.
31 28 21
17 18 8 bet EOO
11 17 27 (W)
29 27 26
14 8 24
0 12 32 8
22 36 8
30 19 33 bet OEE
1 21 32 (W)
+12u
________
8 27 24 bet HLL
21 28 6 (W). bet EOO, BRR
7 17 24 (W,L) bet BRR
9 11 7 (W)
24 11 14 bet LHH
8 21 8 (W)
26 26 23
8 27 17 bet. OEE
2 27 15. (L) bet OEE
36 6 18 (W).
0 15 11 28
14 13.11 bet OEE
25 10 20 (W) bet EOO, BRR
11 30 10 (LW) bet EOO,
32 18 36 (W)
24 28 19
30 28 6 bet BRR
32 2 23 (W)
21 20 3
18 1 25 bet HLL
27 23 18 (W)
32 5 15 bet OEE LHH
17 28 31 (W). bet HLL
27 24 13 (W) bet BRR
17 6 30 (W) bet EOO
25 17 16 (W) bet LHH
34 33 21 (W) bet OEE
27 32 21 (W)
19
-5
_______________________
0 13 18
34 35 7 bet OEE
0 30 12 (W)
13 1 14 bet RBB
8 4 28 (W)
13 8 24 bet EOO
26 21 16 (W) bet RBB
9 21 2 (W)
34 13 12 bet LHH OEE
30 2 25 (WW)
24 3 1 bet LHH RBB
15 24 21 (WW) bet HLL
33 21 19 (W) bet RBB
0 3 18 22 (W). bet EOO
22 26 33 (W)
34 33 2
33 36 19. bet RBB
4 18 5 (L). bet RBB
10 4 20 (W)
25 19 1
12 0 28 3
9 16 14 bet EOO
10 6 36 (W)
27 29 20 bet BRR
28 12 25 (W) bet RBB
11 17 26 (W)
23 16 30 bet EOO
25 6 19 (W)
26 3 8 bet LHH
28 27 7 (W) bet RBB OEE
26 3 14 (LW)
+4u
_____________
31 3 30 bet RBB
13 2 6 (W) bet EOO
23 14 11 (W) bet LHH
9 7 9 (W)
18 29 35 bet BRR HLL
1 9 1 (WW)
5 1 28.
28 24 6
6 5 30 bet RBB
2 11 19 (W) bet OEE
20 23 35 (L) bet OEE
24 1 23 (L). bet OEE. RBB
19 4 11 (WW) bet BRR LHH
26 31 24 (WW)
20 10 4 bet LHH
10 0 11 17. (W) bet Bet OEE
35 14 7 (W) bet LHH
15 21 20 (W) bet HLL
34 20 0 0 21
30 11 20 bet BRR
35 15 21 (W)
36 1 2 bet OEE. LHH
3 26 4 (WW) bet EOO BRR
12 33 10 (WL) bet BRR
7 0 27 17 (W)
19 29 18
-3u
__________
Bankroll +8
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 03, 01:49 PM 2018
Thought so after reading your post.
I tested a little lastnight!
7 16 4 bet EOO
36 29 13. (W) bet BRR, OEE
19 25 27 (WW)
31 16 24 bet EOO
22 17 24 (W).
1 34 36 bet. EOO, HLL
14 14 13 (WW).
30 19 34
22 8 29
10 18 9 bet RBB
32 3 12 (W) bet LHH
36 21 3 (W). bet OEE
35 19 28 (W)
22 21 12 bet RBB
22 11 34 (W).
33 33 14
20 1 28
15 15 7
24 24 9.
31 28 21
17 18 8 bet EOO
11 17 27 (W)
29 27 26
14 8 24
0 12 32 8
22 36 8
30 19 33 bet OEE
1 21 32 (W)
+12u
________
8 27 24 bet HLL
21 28 6 (W). bet EOO, BRR
7 17 24 (W,L) bet BRR
9 11 7 (W)
24 11 14 bet LHH
8 21 8 (W)
26 26 23
8 27 17 bet. OEE
2 27 15. (L) bet OEE
36 6 18 (W).
0 15 11 28
14 13.11 bet OEE
25 10 20 (W) bet EOO, BRR
11 30 10 (LW) bet EOO,
32 18 36 (W)
24 28 19
30 28 6 bet BRR
32 2 23 (W)
21 20 3
18 1 25 bet HLL
27 23 18 (W)
32 5 15 bet OEE LHH
17 28 31 (W). bet HLL
27 24 13 (W) bet BRR
17 6 30 (W) bet EOO
25 17 16 (W) bet LHH
34 33 21 (W) bet OEE
27 32 21 (W)
19
-5
_______________________
0 13 18
34 35 7 bet OEE
0 30 12 (W)
13 1 14 bet RBB
8 4 28 (W)
13 8 24 bet EOO
26 21 16 (W) bet RBB
9 21 2 (W)
34 13 12 bet LHH OEE
30 2 25 (WW)
24 3 1 bet LHH RBB
15 24 21 (WW) bet HLL
33 21 19 (W) bet RBB
0 3 18 22 (W). bet EOO
22 26 33 (W)
34 33 2
33 36 19. bet RBB
4 18 5 (L). bet RBB
10 4 20 (W)
25 19 1
12 0 28 3
9 16 14 bet EOO
10 6 36 (W)
27 29 20 bet BRR
28 12 25 (W) bet RBB
11 17 26 (W)
23 16 30 bet EOO
25 6 19 (W)
26 3 8 bet LHH
28 27 7 (W) bet RBB OEE
26 3 14 (LW)
+4u
_____________
31 3 30 bet RBB
13 2 6 (W) bet EOO
23 14 11 (W) bet LHH
9 7 9 (W)
18 29 35 bet BRR HLL
1 9 1 (WW)
5 1 28.
28 24 6
6 5 30 bet RBB
2 11 19 (W) bet OEE
20 23 35 (L) bet OEE
24 1 23 (L). bet OEE. RBB
19 4 11 (WW) bet BRR LHH
26 31 24 (WW)
20 10 4 bet LHH
10 0 11 17. (W) bet Bet OEE
35 14 7 (W) bet LHH
15 21 20 (W) bet HLL
34 20 0 0 21
30 11 20 bet BRR
35 15 21 (W)
36 1 2 bet OEE. LHH
3 26 4 (WW) bet EOO BRR
12 33 10 (WL) bet BRR
7 0 27 17 (W)
19 29 18
-3u
__________
Bankroll +8
Great!
This way it is faster, easier and more practical. You dont have to wait for a lot of spins before you bet. Yesterday I made $50 in less than two hour playing this way. Progression 3, 6, 12
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 02:13 PM 2018
Great!
This way it is faster, easier and more practical. You dont have to wait for a lot of spins before you bet. Yesterday I made $50 in less than two hour playing this way. Progression 3, 6, 12
Andre you can win $50 in one spin with PB. After as little as 27 spins. Dont quite see your argument here. Pattern breaker in its revised form rarely takes more than 40 spins to qualify a game. In 2 hours I can get 6 or 7 games and win way over $50.
Without any backward steps.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 03, 02:46 AM 2018
It seems the Forum's morale is up.
Maybe users here really are winning with PB.
Just a good feeling I'm sensing.
Proofreaders,
That is why this wonderful method is called Pattern Breaker.
It has "broken" the pattern of hopelessness and pessimism that normally hangs over this forum !
:D :D
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 03, 02:40 PM 2018
Andre you can win $50 in one spin with PB. After as little as 27 spins. Dont quite see your argument here. Pattern breaker in its revised form rarely takes more than 40 spins to qualify a game. In 2 hours I can get 6 or 7 games and win way over $50.
Without any backward steps.
Ill ask you it again and Id like a straight answer.
What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than
just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 03, 02:44 PM 2018
Proofreaders,
That is why this wonderful method is called Pattern Breaker.
It has "broken" the pattern of hopelessness and pessimism that normally hangs over this forum !
:D :D
Yes Dr. Anybody who stays with this system and doesnt over play it will be rewarded in the long term.
As ive said a 1000 times. The system doesnt fail. The mind of the player using it fails first. Always been the case. And always will be. I have nearly 11 years of winning history with this system. Its my gift to roulette players.
Those who realize its power will never lose at this game longterm again. I cant say it any clearer than that. Its been sitting on this forum for nearly 7 years. And ive just revised it to make it even stronger.
Play it with roulette or Baccarat. Remain loyal to it. And your future with roulette will be so bright. You will have to wear shades...😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 03, 02:55 PM 2018
I have nearly 11 years of winning history with this system. Its my gift to roulette players.
Mr sentinel3
You say that you have 11 years of winning using this system but you dont have enough bankroll to place bets of $50? You can't afford use progression 50-100-200?
All my respect but you're contradicting yourself.
No offense
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 03, 06:50 AM 2018
My aim is to win 5 to 10 units a day. And if I do that at $50 a time. Thats 250 to 500 a day. Im quite happy with that.
After 11 years with the system you can't afford it?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 03:03 PM 2018
Mr sentinel3
You say that you have 11 years of winning using this system but you dont have enough bankroll to place bets of $50? You can't afford use progression 50-100-200?
All my respect but you're contradicting yourself.
No offense
Andre how do you know what I have? I could place bets of 200 400 800 if I chose to. Its not about unit size. Its about. Winning solid. My first bet of the day makes me over $50. Thats my point. If you have a true solid winning streak like that first game of PB has. You wont be having to play endless repetitions to grind out a profit.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 03, 06:50 AM 2018
My aim is to win 5 to 10 units a day. And if I do that at $50 a time. Thats 250 to 500 a day.
I know because you said that.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 03, 02:55 PM 2018
Yes Dr. Anybody who stays with this system and doesnt over play it will be rewarded in the long term.
As ive said a 1000 times. The system doesnt fail. The mind of the player using it fails first. Always been the case. And always will be. I have nearly 11 years of winning history with this system. Its my gift to roulette players.
Those who realize its power will never lose at this game longterm again. I cant say it any clearer than that. Its been sitting on this forum for nearly 7 years. And ive just revised it to make it even stronger.
Play it with roulette or Baccarat. Remain loyal to it. And your future with roulette will be so bright. You will have to wear shades...😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
JL,
Yes, I agree with you.
I made my tweaks and I have been consistently winning with it for nearly 2 years and 4 months.
Is it an infallible system? I am not going to go that far and make a grandiose claim like that (this is roulette, after all).
But so far it definitely is one of my (consistently) best performing methods.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 03:17 PM 2018
I know because you said that.
I said what? I said 5 to 10 units. I didnt say what the value of those units are. Do you understand?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 03, 03:30 PM 2018
JL,
Yes, I agree with you.
I made my tweaks and I have been consistently winning with it for nearly 2 years and 4 months.
Is it an infallible system? I am not going to go that far and make a grandiose claim like that (this is roulette, after all).
But so far it definitely is one of my (consistently) best performing methods.
Trust me Dr it will be winning long after you and me are gone. Its a winner. It puts random on the spot and 14 times out of 15 on average. Random fails to decode that final pattern.
And now Tin Soldiers claims he has been getting 22--1 playing all day long. With the revised system im now using.
I havent hit that yet overall but on my banker bet. The first bet of the day. Im hitting 22--1.
Ill ask you it again and Id like a straight answer.
What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?
What's the difference I bet like this?
Wait one of these two patterns to form and bet against immediately.
R
B
B
Bet
B
R
R
...................
B
R
R
Bet
R
B
B
Progression 1-2-4 stoploss
PS Never bet against RRR or BBB or BRB or RBR
I know. This way it is faster, easier and more practical. You dont have to wait for a lot of spins before you bet.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 03:46 PM 2018
Ill ask you it again and Id like a straight answer.
What makes betting the opposite of the last 3 remaining H/L's out of a tracking session better than just betting it itself?. E.G, you are left with HLL - and you bet LHH. Some sort of statistical math involved that out of what was tracked dictates you are better off betting LHH ?
What's the difference I bet like this?
Wait one of these two patterns to form and bet against immediately.
R
B
B
Bet
B
R
R
...................
B
R
R
Bet
R
B
B
Progression 1-2-4 stoploss
PS Never bet against RRR or BBB or BRB or RBR
I know. This way it is faster, easier and more practical. You dont have to wait for a lot of spins before you bet.
It works Andre. I know you well. You are the one who lacks the most important attribute to beat this game longterm. PATIENCE. Ive seen BRR . Repeat 4 times in a row.
Ive seen all the patterns repeat over and over. Thats the experience of having played 14,000 games of PB. Thats why im not doing that. When you get a bad session. You will get stung bad.
What I do can and has won over 40 times in a row. I like being able to keep taking steps forward
And not having to keep recovering even within the same session.
You wont get what im saying until you meet that session im talking about. Then you will let this go like it never existed.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 03, 06:50 AM 2018
Hi Madi
I prefer smaller games. At one tenth that risk. If you lose $350 for a game you can pull it back within the same day. My aim is to win 5 to 10 units a day. And if I do that at $50 a time. Thats 250 to 500 a day. Im quite happy with that.
Ye thats is acceptable. Average 50 spin waiting can get 1 unit per spin. But no penny roulette .
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 03, 03:57 PM 2018
It works Andre.
So thats your answer? You don't know how the system works? Voodoo?
I know you well. You are the one who lacks the most important attribute to beat this game longterm. PATIENCE.
Patience? You really don't know me.
In one of my strategies when I bet the sectors of the wheel I wait 3 to 4 hours to place the bet.
Well, I'm out
I wish you all the best!
Quote from: Madi on Feb 03, 03:59 PM 2018
Ye thats is acceptable. Average 50 spin waiting can get 1 unit per spin. But no penny roulette .
No im gonna speak plain here about BANKROLL.
Too many people on these forums want to become rich. When they dont even have a 200 unit bankroll.
You should take your time and save at LEAST $500/EURO. Before you start your journey.
Your base bet should be 0.5% of your TOTAL BANKROLL.
So if you have a bankroll of $200. Your base bet should be $1. If you have a bankroll of $2000. Your base bet should be around $10. Thats how you do it. Then if your system is any good. You will never ever be wiped out.
So when someone risks way above that. They put themselves in danger of being wiped out. Or losing a large portion of their bank. Then feeling terrible and losing faith in their ability to be successful at this game.
Everyone wants to be rich overnight. Thats human nature. But this game does not forgive players who try to run before they can barely crawl.
If im betting at a base of $30 be sure i have at least $6000 behind me. And thats how its done.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 04:08 PM 2018
Well, I'm out
I wish you all the best!
And I wish you all the best. Lets hope you dont run into the things ive seen.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 03, 03:36 PM 2018
Trust me Dr it will be winning long after you and me are gone. Its a winner. It puts random on the spot and 14 times out of 15 on average. Random fails to decode that final pattern.
And now Tin Soldiers claims he has been getting 22--1 playing all day long. With the revised system im now using.
I havent hit that yet overall but on my banker bet. The first bet of the day. Im hitting 22--1.
JL,
I am not very confident that he will keep getting positive results like that consistently, if he is playing ALL DAY long.
I still think that the key is to play this method on a strictly hit and run basis and also playing it sparingly (maybe 4 games a day or, like me, 4 games per casino visit).
Another thing: theoretical expectations are that this is a 7-1 method -- you will get 7 wins for every 1 loss.
I am on average getting about 12 wins for every 1 loss (again, using my specific set of tweaks).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 03, 04:32 PM 2018
JL,
I am not very confident that he will keep getting positive results like that consistently, if he is playing ALL DAY long.
I still think that the key is to play this method on a strictly hit and run basis and also playing it sparingly (maybe 4 games a day or, like me, 4 games per casino visit).
DR you know I agree with you. I average 6 games a day myself. And ive never gotten over 16--1 EVER.
So I was amazed to hear he was getting 22--1. The only thing I hit that kind of strikerate on is my first game of the day.
Overall no way. Which tells you playing less should indeed yield better results.
Less chance of hitting 4 losses in a row. See Ive recorded 4 losses in a row while testing things. But never PLAYED 4 losses in a row.
Thats why BOTS are useless for testing a system like PB Dr. They just run in a continuous line picking up all the disastrous downturns a system might run into.
While in reality the player is exposing themselves to that nasty variance. For a micro fraction of the time.
Ive had days where ive bet for 3 spins. Theyve all won and im out of there.
😎
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 03, 04:46 PM 2018
Another thing: theoretical expectations are that this is a 7-1 method -- you will get 7 wins for every 1 loss.
I am on average getting about 12 wins for every 1 loss (again, using my specific set of tweaks).
Thats fantastic dr. I can see the value of the two step tweak..The only reason I maintain the 3 step is because ive been with it for so long.
And my first game of the day holds up very well on it. For example im currently on a streak of 22 days with my first game of the day.
And 4 of those 21 wins won on the third step of the prog. So I dont mind it when I know i can win over 30 times in a row on that first game.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 01:40 PM 2018
He plays this way
Wait one of these two patterns to form and bet against immediately.
R
B
B
Bet
B
R
R
...................
B
R
R
Bet
R
B
B
Progression 1-2-4 stoploss
PS Never bet against RRR or BBB or BRB or RBR
Yes and no.
1. The only pattern I don't bet against is RRR and BBB - the frequency distribution told us that.
2. I don't bet immediately after they are formed. Appollo's bets show there are losses, too many of them. >:D
3. I optimised the bet with tweaks made on what pattern I bet and when I bet them - it's based on statistics.
4. I bet ALL signals - no choosing or play short run or bet more money 1st bet of the day or any other similar approaches.
5. The win rate is >= 15:1 At the casino, I have a profit target of 14units. Stop loss is also 14units - my daily bankroll. it has not gone into any drawdown since the winrate is that high. Although statistically it can have a 2 or 3 loss streak.
6. My money management is $100, $200, $400. Daily buy in br is $1400 - it's new so it's lower than my usual buy in.
Is it better than the original JL PB?
By a mile, Andre you know that too. Statistics don't lie. :thumbsup:
Credit goes to JL, lets not forget that.
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 03, 04:04 AM 2018
Hi cht
Dont understand how you doubled account in 45 spins.
Playing PB you can get 7 units to 8u maybe 9u in 45 spins... Unless you playing a different way. Or im missing something.
Cheers
For roulettesimulator I played 1session to demonstrate how fast the game can be, I use 330/660/1320 slightly higher than what I play at the casino. Profit target - 100% returns on sessions br.
I play ALL signals as and when they appear. If BR, HL, OE signals appear at the same time I play ALL of them. The signals are statistically independent.
***You will notice my game is not rated. I don't want my game to be permanently recorded - it's just a demonstration of how a session plays out.
Looks like a happy group where everyone is making money in the casino :wink: I thought it is easy to speak truth when you are behind an online identity. So yes, everyone is really happy making money here. :-X
CHT
I play all the signals at the same time too.
I don't bet immediately. For example, the pattern RBB is formed. I wait hit RB (virtual loss) then I bet against.
It's best, faster.and easier. We dont have to wait for a lot of spins before we bet.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 07:16 PM 2018
CHT
I play all the signals at the same time too.
I don't bet immediately. For example, the pattern RBB is formed. I wait hit RB (virtual loss) then I bet against.
It's best, faster.and easier. We dont have to wait for a lot of spins before we bet.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Play it with baccarat to avoid the zero risk. You just pay the commission for banker. Change your MM to 0/1/2 to pay lesser commission and also to give you more time for your bets. :thumbsup:
Another advantage is the casino thinks there's no advantage play for baccarat. We're just some random luckyfella ! :xd: :xd: :xd:
Et al - don't believe what Andre and I posted. We both point you a much better path - an upgrade if I may.
Test it out yourself. Believe what your own test shows you. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Feb 03, 07:25 PM 2018
Et al - don't believe what Andre and I posted. We both point you a much better path - an upgrade if I may.
Test it out yourself. Believe what your own test shows you. :thumbsup:
You are absolutely right! :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 03, 04:46 PM 2018I am on average getting about 12 wins for every 1 loss (again, using my specific set of tweaks).
I appreciate if you share your tweaks doctor.
Thanks
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 03:46 PM 2018Wait one of these two patterns to form and bet against immediately.
R
B
B
Bet
B
R
R
...................
B
R
R
Bet
R
B
B
Progression 1-2-4 stoploss
PS Never bet against RRR or BBB or BRB or RBR
Quote from: cht on Feb 03, 06:26 PM 2018Yes and no.
1. The only pattern I don't bet against is RRR and BBB - the frequency distribution told us that.
2. I don't bet immediately after they are formed. Appollo's bets show there are losses, too many of them.
3. I optimised the bet with tweaks made on what pattern I bet and when I bet them - it's based on statistics.
4. I bet ALL signals - no choosing or play short run or bet more money 1st bet of the day or any other similar approaches.
5. The win rate is >= 15:1 At the casino, I have a profit target of 14units. Stop loss is also 14units - my daily bankroll. it has not gone into any drawdown since the winrate is that high. Although statistically it can have a 2 or 3 loss streak.
6. My money management is $100, $200, $400. Daily buy in br is $1400 - it's new so it's lower than my usual buy in.
Is it better than the original JL PB?
By a mile, Andre you know that too. Statistics don't lie.
Credit goes to JL, lets not forget that.
Quote from: cht on Feb 03, 06:49 PM 2018I play ALL signals as and when they appear. If BR, HL, OE signals appear at the same time I play ALL of them. The signals are statistically independent.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 03, 07:16 PM 2018I play all the signals at the same time too.
I don't bet immediately. For example, the pattern RBB is formed. I wait hit RB (virtual loss) then I bet against.
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you JL, Sentinel3, Doctor, TS, Andre, cht and Sir Steve.
I am trying to join puzzle pieces of this new (not so new) RBB-BBR system, which I call ACC Pattern System.
Can anyone complete it and tell us step by step with money management?
Thanks.
SugTips
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 03, 07:12 PM 2018
Looks like a happy group where everyone is making money in the casino :wink: I thought it is easy to speak truth when you are behind an online identity. So yes, everyone is really happy making money here. :-X
Hi Tin Soldiers,
How is your testing going. Is that amazing strikerate holding? I will be amazed if you reach say 2000 games. And its still in the twenties. After 364 games. Im averaging 15--1.
My first game of the day is the only thing thats holding over 20--1. :smile:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 03, 11:47 PM 2018
Hi Tin Soldiers,
How is your testing going. Is that amazing strikerate holding? I will be amazed if you reach say 2000 games. And its still in the twenties. After 364 games. Im averaging 15--1.
My first game of the day is the only thing thats holding over 20--1. :smile:
If he or, for that matter, anyone else is playing this method all day long, the strike rate is inevitably going to gravitate toward the 7-1 neighborhood.
No amount of tweaking can mitigate the harmful consequences of playing this method all day long.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 04, 02:56 AM 2018
If he or, for that matter, anyone else is playing this method all day long, the strike rate is inevitably going to gravitate toward the 7-1 neighborhood.
No amount of tweaking can mitigate the harmful consequences of playing this method all day long.
Playing hit and run of any form will also gravitate towards 7-1.
That's why I reserve my comment about the original JL PB, not to sound negative but that's what it is 7-1 +- variance.
There is reason for caution that the readers are aware
this 7-1(a little worse due to zero) will remain unchanged even with hit and run play.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 04, 02:56 AM 2018
If he or, for that matter, anyone else is playing this method all day long, the strike rate is inevitably going to gravitate toward the 7-1 neighborhood.
No amount of tweaking can mitigate the harmful consequences of playing this method all day long.
Not sure about 7--1 Dr. But absolutely sub 12--1. I have 14,056 games on record. And at no time has the strikerate EVER hit 7--1. In fact its never ever been under 8--1. But I definately agree 22--1 cannot be sustained longterm.
The original PB just playing HL. Held between 10--1 & 13--1. Playing an absolute maximum of 10 games a day.
The first game of the day is a completely different story though. It NEVER drops below 15--1. And thats why its my banker bet of the day. And always will be...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 04, 04:40 AM 2018Not sure about 7--1 Dr. But absolutely sub 12--1. I have 14,056 games on record. And at no time has the strikerate EVER hit 7--1
I don’t play it anymore. I was just playing with it to prove my point on variance. I have my own methods of playing that am content with. Thanks for asking.
Let me ask you one more thing to make you believe on this. I know you keep a good record of all games with lots of statistics. Can you take the last 200 first games you played and publish the patterns you were betting against. Only that 8th pattern. Not the entire game. Those 200 patterns. I will show you something unique.
Quote from: cht on Feb 04, 03:51 AM 2018
Playing hit and run of any form will also gravitate towards 7-1.
That's why I reserve my comment about the original JL PB, not to sound negative but that's what it is 7-1 +- variance.
There is reason for caution that the readers are aware this 7-1(a little worse due to zero) will remain unchanged even with hit and run play.
CHT I never fear ZERO. I treat the green goblin as a banker bet. I cover it. I just played a game of PB. Where i was left with LLL. First 2 steps were LL. One the third I always cover the zero aswell as the last step of the prog.
And enjoyed a nice jackpot win. Of 36 units. It happened to last wednesday too. As I said to the DR.
In 14,056 games I have on record. Even the original PB never dropped to its true odds. Hit and run is definately responsible for the strikrate holding over 10--1 for 11 years.
I have no doubt about that..in tracking large samples of numbers while testing my other strong system MATRIX VERTICAL 6. I have seen 3 , 4 even for games of PB lose consecutively.
In hit and run play. A double loss is the worst experience of my 11 year career with this solid system.
You cannot argue with that. :smile:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 04, 04:46 AM 2018
I don’t play it anymore. I was just playing with it to prove my point on variance. I have my own methods of playing that am content with. Thanks for asking.
Thats a shame Tin Soldiers. Because we will never know if that would have held for YOU into the thousands. I know it hasnt for me. 16--1 is the absolute highest strikerate ive achieved overall in 11 years.
Only the first game of the day has held a 20 plus strikerate longterm...
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 04, 04:46 AM 2018
I don’t play it anymore. I was just playing with it to prove my point on variance. I have my own methods of playing that am content with. Thanks for asking.
Let me ask you one more thing to make you believe on this. I know you keep a good record of all games with lots of statistics. Can you take the last 200 first games you played and publish the patterns you were betting against. Only that 8th pattern. Not the entire game. Those 200 patterns. I will show you something unique.
Okay you will have to give me until this evening or tomorrow TS. I have to cook sunday lunch soon...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 04, 04:49 AM 2018
CHT I never fear ZERO. I treat the green goblin as a banker bet. I cover it. I just played a game of PB. Where i was left with LLL. First 2 steps were LL. One the third I always cover the zero aswell as the last step of the prog.
And enjoyed a nice jackpot win. Of 36 units. It happened to last wednesday too. As I said to the DR.
In 14,056 games I have on record. Even the original PB never dropped to its true odds. Hit and run is definately responsible for the strikrate holding over 10--1 for 11 years.
I have no doubt about that..in tracking large samples of numbers while testing my other strong system MATRIX VERTICAL 6. I have seen 3 , 4 even for games of PB lose consecutively.
In hit and run play. A double loss is the worst experience of my 11 year career with this solid system.
You cannot argue with that. :smile:
Nope not arguing with your run of good luck. It's good to know you did well today. :thumbsup:
I just completed my session doubled br after 10games, the fifth in the series.
Tomorrow another session followed by another 3days Wed to Frid.
Sentinel, I recommend you play at b&m, it's just great. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Feb 04, 05:31 AM 2018
Nope not arguing with your run of good luck. It's good to know you did well today. :thumbsup:
I just completed my session doubled br after 10games, the fifth in the series.
Tomorrow another session followed by another 3days Wed to Frid.
Sentinel, I recommend you play at b&m, it's just great. :thumbsup:
[/quote)Lol I have played real casinos many time CHT. I get lazy sometimes thats all. Its easy to get on my Galaxy or ipad. And play an online game.
What you do with BACCARAT fascinates me. But ive never been able to understand how you translate PB to it. And if you can give me the 8 PLAYER BANKER combimations you would track. To reach that 8th pattern.
Baccarat is a game I would love to try in a real casino.
Here's the baccarat 8 patterns -
1. B B B
2. B B P
3. B P B
4. B P P
5. P P P
6. P P B
7. P B P
8. P B B
Banker has a 5% commission for regular baccarat.
For super-6 variant, the payout for Banker win on 6 total is 50%
I recommend to play with baccarat to avoid the risk of zero that steal your win.
Casinos consider there's no advantage play with baccarat. This means you can win up to $20k per bet, the pitboss thinks you are just one lucky gambler. You can win over a few $100k without raising alarm, then come back to do it again no problem whatsoever. It's just luck wins, the math says so. :thumbsup:
At my local casino there are guys who win a few million. Ofc there are plenty more who lose millions more. Our $100k is chicken feed compared to those whales.
For roulette, if advantage players place late bets AFTER spin even for $1k bet they will be closely watched. WTF for $1k and you will be scrutinised like criminal cheats ?!?! :o
Quote from: cht on Feb 04, 07:07 AM 2018
Here's the baccarat 8 patterns -
1. B B B
2. B B P
3. B P B
4. B P P
5. P P P
6. P P B
7. P B P
8. P B B
Banker has a 5% commission for regular baccarat.
For super-6 variant, the payout for Banker win on 6 total is 50%
I recommend to play with baccarat to avoid the risk of zero that steal your win.
Casinos consider there's no advantage play with baccarat. This means you can win up to $20k per bet, the pitboss thinks you are just one lucky gambler. You can win over a few $100k without raising alarm, then come back to do it again no problem whatsoever. It's just luck wins, the math says so. :thumbsup:
At my local casino there are guys who win a few million. Ofc there are plenty more who lose millions more. Our $100k is chicken feed compared to those whales.
For roulette, if advantage players place late bets AFTER spin even for $1k bet they will be closely watched. WTF for $1k and you will be scrutinised like criminal cheats ?!?! :o
Wow thankyou so much CHT. Im gonna start tracking hands on BETWAY. And see if I can win like with roulette.
I like what you said about being able to win a heap because unlike Blackjack. They see no advantage (cheating) possible. This would be a great advantage when i start playing walk in casinos more. I can alternate between Roulette and Baccarat. Just need a couple of weeks practice. So I fully understand what im doing.🌐🌏🌐
Just write the possible patterns on a baccarat card.
Using the history board a bet should come fast
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 04, 10:10 AM 2018
Just write the possible patterns on a baccarat card.
Using the history board a bet should come fast
Thanks rouletteghost. Im going to start tomorrow tracking a few games to get a feel for it. How long would a typical game take to get to that last pattern 8?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 04, 10:44 AM 2018
Thanks rouletteghost. Im going to start tomorrow tracking a few games to get a feel for it. How long would a typical game take to get to that last pattern 8?
In terms of waiting time, it should be similar to roulette. To cut down on the waiting time, I would suggest you join the game once a shoe has started.
Look at the electronic board where there should be at least 20-30 hands already decided. The trigger will come within a few hands after that.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 04, 11:06 AM 2018
In terms of waiting time, it should be similar to roulette. To cut down on the waiting time, I would suggest you join the game once a shoe has started.
Look at the electronic board where there should be at least 20-30 hands already decided. The trigger will come within a few hands after that.
Thanks for that Dr... :smile:
hey John Legend , its been a while ;) what is the system you play the most nowadays ?
If he told you would you play it?
Quote from: cht on Feb 04, 07:07 AM 2018
Here's the baccarat 8 patterns -
1. B B B
2. B B P
3. B P B
4. B P P
5. P P P
6. P P B
7. P B P
8. P B B
Banker has a 5% commission for regular baccarat.
For super-6 variant, the payout for Banker win on 6 total is 50%
I recommend to play with baccarat to avoid the risk of zero that steal your win.
Casinos consider there's no advantage play with baccarat. This means you can win up to $20k per bet, the pitboss thinks you are just one lucky gambler. You can win over a few $100k without raising alarm, then come back to do it again no problem whatsoever. It's just luck wins, the math says so. :thumbsup:
At my local casino there are guys who win a few million. Ofc there are plenty more who lose millions more. Our $100k is chicken feed compared to those whales.
For roulette, if advantage players place late bets AFTER spin even for $1k bet they will be closely watched. WTF for $1k and you will be scrutinised like criminal cheats ?!?! :o
how do we handle the tie ?
Quote from: sugtips on Feb 03, 08:06 PM 2018
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you JL, Sentinel3, Doctor, TS, Andre, cht and Sir Steve.
I am trying to join puzzle pieces of this new (not so new) RBB-BBR system, which I call ACC Pattern System.
Can anyone complete it and tell us step by step with money management?
Thanks.
SugTips
Hi my friend
I see no one helped you.
I'm not at home right now and I'm typing on mobile.
CHT, could you help him? I wish you all a great week!
Quote from: Post on Feb 04, 05:34 PM 2018
how do we handle the tie ?
Ignore tie, treat it as invisible.
Quote from: sugtips on Feb 03, 08:06 PM 2018
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you JL, Sentinel3, Doctor, TS, Andre, cht and Sir Steve.
I am trying to join puzzle pieces of this new (not so new) RBB-BBR system, which I call ACC Pattern System.
Can anyone complete it and tell us step by step with money management?
Thanks.
SugTips
Hi SugTips
Read through Andre Chass recent posts he described how he plays ACC Pattern.
If you have specific questions Andre and I will clarify for you.
Like Andre, I'm away now at my casino hotel room. :smile:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 04, 10:44 AM 2018
Thanks rouletteghost. Im going to start tomorrow tracking a few games to get a feel for it. How long would a typical game take to get to that last pattern 8?
Typical JL PB pattern 7 appears after 45-50hands.
To speed up the game, I manually track hands on a rolling basis that's shown on the excel sheet I posted earlier.
For b&m casino, I track rolling basis with pen and paper - it can be daunting to beginners as the hands complete at 1min rate while you have to record the history for 3rolling cycles plus incoming hands. It needs practice to do it right, you learn how to by doing experience.
I choose the baccarat etg whose history board that has the number of hands that I target played scanning and timing the etgs. Again this need practice to be good to spot the correct etg at the casino.
I alot 2sessions 5hrs play time 1hr rest in between. Typically, I'll be up 75% br after the 1st session, completion is +-3 1/2 hrs.
Note - I play quite similar with Andre Chass with a few protection tweaks based on statistical frequency distribution.
I achieve that high rate because I play with a partner who scans another set of etgs. Also we play 2etgs at a time - this depends on how the setup of etgs at your local casino.
The sum effect is we achieve 4fold playing individually a single etg at a time.
However, to do what we do it requires lots of practice to acquire the necessary skill level, when to play when not to play when to back off when conditions are not favourable - all these real time off the cuff decisions as we scan multiple history boards. Practice make perfect.
Do it at the level where you are comfortable and confident that you will not make mistakes. Mistakes is a no no. >:(
Lastly, set a session take profit target that is within the statistical frequency distribution. Don't exceed this target else you will hand back your winnings with statistical losses.
The ACC way am i correct in thinking if waiting for virtual loss loss... Then a loss (-7) will look like this.
RRB
RRB
RR
Thanks
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 04, 10:14 PM 2018
The ACC way am i correct in thinking
a loss will look like this..
RRB
RRB
RR
Thanks
Andre Chass loss will look like this.
R R - bet B B R
R R B - lose, lose lose
My loss will look like this.
R R B - bet B B R
R R B - lose, lose, lose
Quote from: cht on Feb 04, 10:18 PM 2018
Andre Chass loss will look like this.
R R - bet B B R
R R B - lose, lose lose
My loss will look like this.
R R B - bet B B R
R R B - lose, lose, lose
Ok thanks cht.
So mine is a little safer but takes more time waiting for a bet.
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 04, 10:38 PM 2018
Ok thanks cht.
So mine is a little safer but takes more time waiting for a bet.
Play it with baccarat - the fequency distribution is more stable, smaller variance, winrate higher(I don't want to make claims better you find out yourself.) :)
I don't play all setups. Typically I play +-25-30 shoes a day to reach profit target - some days quick, other days a grind.
Ok thanks..
I just did first test session.
RBB. bet. BRR
BBR. bet RRB
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (05:50 - 09:00)
4 4 36
29 (21) 22 w
5 22 34
5 0 10 13
19 (7) 31 w
(17) 2 31 w
26 22 22
19 1 34
16 8 9
3 25 5
22 14 13
15 21 18
(30) 4 13 w
32 (3) 13 w
1 21 28
34 16 13 loss
14 21 (21) w
6 23 6
23 9 19
27 4 17
(31) 30 4 w
13 19 5
24 1 16 loss
22 (10) 30 w
20 15 27
20 (19) 29 w
14 28 36
14 29 8 0
9 16 2
(2) 30 28 w
2 9 28
5 21 33
(4) 13 10 w
22 11 33
31 7 32
(1) 30 27 w
32 5 15
(2) 25 7 w
6 35 22
5 18 32
13 16 8
21 13 17 0
1 (5) 3 w
14 2 7
1 19 36
13 35 21
20 10 27 loss
(34) 3 20 w
27 (11) 22 w
(24) 10 28 w
16 6 24
30 2 (16). w
9 29 6
(20) 25 36 w
24 0 7
-2u
________
only 1 session tho so carnt say much.
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 04, 11:21 PM 2018
Ok thanks..
I just did first test session.
RBB. bet. BRR
BBR. bet RRB
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (05:50 - 09:00)
4 4 36
29 (21) 22 w
5 22 34
5 0 10 13
19 (7) 31 w
(17) 2 31 w
26 22 22
19 1 34
16 8 9
3 25 5
22 14 13
15 21 18
(30) 4 13 w
32 (3) 13 w
1 21 28
34 16 13 loss
14 21 (21) w
6 23 6
23 9 19
27 4 17
(31) 30 4 w
13 19 5
24 1 16 loss
22 (10) 30 w
20 15 27
20 (19) 29 w
14 28 36
14 29 8 0
9 16 2
(2) 30 28 w
2 9 28
5 21 33
(4) 13 10 w
22 11 33
31 7 32
(1) 30 27 w
32 5 15
(2) 25 7 w
6 35 22
5 18 32
13 16 8
21 13 17 0
1 (5) 3 w
14 2 7
1 19 36
13 35 21
20 10 27 loss
(34) 3 20 w
27 (11) 22 w
(24) 10 28 w
16 6 24
30 2 (16). w
9 29 6
(20) 25 36 w
24 0 7
-2u
________
only 1 session tho so carnt say much.
Limit your games played per session to randomnise your play. Find out that optimal number.
Quote from: Post on Feb 04, 04:58 PM 2018
hey John Legend , its been a while ;) what is the system you play the most nowadays ?
Post how are you?
A while is an understatement. Well I still play my Pattern breaker as revised on this forum. The only main difference is I now allow random to select my bets for me. By tracking all three even chances simultaneously. And going with the first qualifier.
I also play another system created by Atlantis called 3 STRIKES. And I play a tweaked version of a matrix system created by Atlantis, twister UK and myself on another forum 5 years ago. Called MATRIX VERTICAL 6.
Those are my three systems as of now...
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 04, 10:14 PM 2018
The ACC way am i correct in thinking if waiting for virtual loss loss... Then a loss (-7) will look like this.
RRB
RRB
RR
Thanks
My way betting against a pattern:
I wait for a pattern to form:
BBR (starting with R)
I have to bet:
RRB (starting with B)
But I wait for two virtual losses:
BR (starting with R)
Then i start the 3 step progression:
RBR
I never bet against: BBB, RRR, BRB, RBR
You can bet all signals at the same time: B/R, H/L, O/E
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 04, 11:59 PM 2018
My way betting against a pattern:
I wait for a pattern to form:
BBR (starting with R)
I have to bet:
RRB (starting with B)
But I wait for two virtual losses:
BR (starting with R)
Then i start the 3 step progression:
RBR
I never bet against: BBB, RRR, BRB, RBR
You can bet all signals at the same time: B/R, H/L, O/E
Ok so a loss will be
BRR
BRR
BR.
?
thanks
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 04, 11:59 PM 2018
My way betting against a pattern:
I wait for a pattern to form:
BBR (starting with R)
I have to bet:
RRB (starting with B)
But I wait for two virtual losses:
BR (starting with R)
Then i start the 3 step progression:
RBR
I never bet against: BBB, RRR, BRB, RBR
You can bet all signals at the same time: B/R, H/L, O/E
Thank you Andre and Cht for helping us.
A sample play with spin numbers are highly appreciated. Or a roulette-simulator small game you can share.
Thank you Apolloo and JL also.
Thank you all.
I may try waiting for 3 virtual losses Thinking it could be even safer. But more waiting between bets.
Play all 3 ECs
Patterns RBB + RRB
RBB.
RBB bet next. BRR. 1,2,4
if lose we see
RBB
RBB
RBB
The next trigger play for recovery.
HHL
HHL. bet next LLH 3,6,12.
_________
Maybe with stop session at...
Target +5
Stop loss -30
Thanks
Sorry if flooding the thread. Wont share any full detailed sessions like this again ill just post any results i get from testing.
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (05:45 - 09:00)
H/L. +. O/E. + R/B
6 16 15
29 2 1
26 21 20
30 25 20
26 36 19
28 36 22
10 0 6 29
21 20 31
28 7 14
8 10 21
25 4 12 HLL
21 2 5. HLL. bet LLH 1,2,4
(7) 16 10 (W+1)
9 17 8 OOE
33 11 16. OOE. bet. EEO 1,2,4
(32) 29 13 (W+1)
23 12 36
20 11 3
23 2 20
26 1 30
8 0 18 22
11 25 21
30 31 32
18 32 11
25 33 25
20 11 25
15 23 2
2 35 6
29 11 8
12 25 8
17 35 21
6 21 7
8 20 15 0
20 25 15 EOO
6 25 27. EOO. bet OEE 1,2,4
34 19 (2) (W+1)
5 14 1
3 6 18
31 31 12 BBR
13 28 9 BBR. bet RRB 1,2,4
35 35 (10) HHL OOE. W+1
23 31 8. HHL OOE bet LLH+EEO 1,2,4
(15) 3 (3) (W+2)
((((STOP +6u)))))
10 9 22
3 36 32
22 7 6
6 0 32 14
31 0 31 23
9 33 18 OOE
27 33 4. OOE. bet. EEO
(14) 12 31 (W+1)
15 28 14
27 4 31
14 28 9
21 22 1
6
If you can get your target profit for the day on a single bet do it.
Wait one of the pattern to form 4 times
BBR
BBR
BBR
BBR
Then bet against
RRB
Progression 50,100, 200
$50 and turn off the computer
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 05, 01:10 AM 2018
Sorry if flooding the thread. Wont share any full detailed sessions like this again ill just post any results i get from testing.
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (05:45 - 09:00)
H/L. +. O/E. + R/B
6 16 15
29 2 1
26 21 20
30 25 20
26 36 19
28 36 22
10 0 6 29
21 20 31
28 7 14
8 10 21
25 4 12 HLL
21 2 5. HLL. bet LLH 1,2,4
(7) 16 10 (W+1)
9 17 8 OOE
33 11 16. OOE. bet. EEO 1,2,4
(32) 29 13 (W+1)
23 12 36
20 11 3
23 2 20
26 1 30
8 0 18 22
11 25 21
30 31 32
18 32 11
25 33 25
20 11 25
15 23 2
2 35 6
29 11 8
12 25 8
17 35 21
6 21 7
8 20 15 0
20 25 15 EOO
6 25 27. EOO. bet OEE 1,2,4
34 19 (2) (W+1)
5 14 1
3 6 18
31 31 12 BBR
13 28 9 BBR. bet RRB 1,2,4
35 35 (10) HHL OOE. W+1
23 31 8. HHL OOE bet LLH+EEO 1,2,4
(15) 3 (3) (W+2)
((((STOP +6u)))))
10 9 22
3 36 32
22 7 6
6 0 32 14
31 0 31 23
9 33 18 OOE
27 33 4. OOE. bet. EEO
(14) 12 31 (W+1)
15 28 14
27 4 31
14 28 9
21 22 1
6
I think you can post a few more examples to help members like sugtips understand how to play the game. I'm playing for real right now. :xd:
#2. Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (05:50 - 09:00)
H/L. +. O/E. + R/B
4 4 36
29 21 22
5 22 34
5 0 10 13
19 7 31
17 2 31
26 22 22
19 1 34
16 8 9
3 25 5
22 14 13
15 21 18
30 4 13
32 3 13. bet LHH
(1) 21 28 W+1
34 16 13 bet BBR
14 21 (21). W+1
6 23 6
23 9 19
27 4 17
31 30 4
13 19 5
24 1 16 bet RBB
22 (10) 30 W+1
20 15 27
20 19 29. Bet. OEE
14 (28) 36 W+1
14 29 8 0
9 16 2
2 30 28
2 9 28
5 21 33
4 13 10
22 11 33
31 7 32
1 30 27
32 5 15
2 25 7. bet OEE
6 35 (22). W+1
(((STOP +5u)))
_________
Maybe its not worth risking a higher staking recovery bet after a loss.. Can recover ok as it is i Think.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 01:17 AM 2018
If you can get your target profit for the day on a single bet do it.
Wait one of the pattern to form 4 times
BBR
BBR
BBR
BBR
Then bet against
RRB
Progression 50,100, 200
$50 and turn off the computer
lol you found out didnt you Andre. I told you why I dont do repeaters is because ive seen too many of them over the last 11 years.
Random can form these patterns 4 or 5 times easily. And BY THE TIME you get 4 of these. I will have played 3 or 4 games of PB.
Thats why PB rules my world. Its a natural breakdown of 7 COMPLETELY different patterns. Leaving you with one unique pattern that 14 times out of 15 on average Random cant solve. Thats what makes PB one of the best systems ever.
Session 1. (+6).
Session 2. (+5)
Session 3. (+2)
Session 4. (-10).
Session 5. (+5)
______________
Bankroll. +8
Today started shaky with a win followed by loss. My partner then reeled off a sequence of winners that recovered the loss and then together we achieve our profit target. Done for the day in 16shoes, 6th win in the series and counting. Be back on wed. :thumbsup:
I'm not baiting but sharing with you guys real results at b&m casino, the potential of the system.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 04, 11:27 PM 2018
Post how are you?
A while is an understatement. Well I still play my Pattern breaker as revised on this forum. The only main difference is I now allow random to select my bets for me. By tracking all three even chances simultaneously. And going with the first qualifier.
I also play another system created by Atlantis called 3 STRIKES. And I play a tweaked version of a matrix system created by Atlantis, twister UK and myself on another forum 5 years ago. Called MATRIX VERTICAL 6.
Those are my three systems as of now...
Im good man I am looking at using this system for baccarat now , seems interesting.
Please post results using PB to play baccarat
If all goes well I’ll head to my local casino
On baccarat when one pattern remains net against it?
Quote from: Post on Feb 05, 04:42 AM 2018
Im good man I am looking at using this system for baccarat now , seems interesting.
Yes it does im going to get my head around that game and try it myself...🌐🌏🌐
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 05, 07:44 AM 2018
Please post results using PB to play baccarat
If all goes well I’ll head to my local casino
On baccarat when one pattern remains net against it?
Net=bet
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 02:50 AM 2018
Today started shaky with a win followed by loss. My partner then reeled off a sequence of winners that recovered the loss and then together we achieve our profit target. Done for the day in 16shoes, 6th win in the series and counting. Be back on wed. :thumbsup:
I'm not baiting but sharing with you guys real results at b&m casino, the potential of the system.
Good to know.
Keep winning and sharing the results!
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 05, 02:09 AM 2018
Session 1. (+6).
Session 2. (+5)
Session 3. (+2)
Session 4. (-10).
Session 5. (+5)
______________
Bankroll. +8
Nice!
Keep sharing the results
Here's a roulettesimulator game I played after I reached home. Doubled the 3K balance in 49 spins.:xd:
No more simulator results lest some people think crooked stuff.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 05, 07:44 AM 2018
Please post results using PB to play baccarat
If all goes well I’ll head to my local casino
On baccarat when one pattern remains net against it?
yes, just wait till u have one pattern left and bet against it.
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 10:22 AM 2018
Here's a roulettesimulator game I played after I reached home. Doubled the 3K balance in 49 spins.:xd:
No more simulator results lest some people think crooked stuff.
I revealed on this chart the risk management I use, how I minimise risk yet at the same time maximise returns. At no time was the br exposed to risk of ruin. A good system must include solid risk management besides a good betselection.
6th and 7th session :(
#6. Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (09:10 - 11:10)
H/L. - R/B. - O/E
26 9 27
27 3 26
34 6 27
22 9 0 18
10 27 11
27 27 35
15 2 24
5 15 34
13 21 27
7 17 23
34 24 21
26 35 22
1 28 8
17 16 10 bet EOO
35 (31) 15 0 W+1
4 30 19
24 26 13 bet. OOE
34 2 21 LOSS -7
22 24 5 LOSS -7
(1) 6 1 W+1
29 22 29
26 20 36
8 32 31
26 13 36
22 7 25
34 27 16
5 1 6
11 6 18
23 7 28
23 34 8 bet BBR
34 18 (1) W+1
28 14 20
8 26 24
9 31 8
19 14 35
-11u
_________
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (07:20 - 09:25)
11 17 33
25 18 28
19 0 3 19
21 3 34
3 0 25 33
31 23 14
26 30 28
32 15 19
25 30 27
36 14 5
5 30 6
22 25 13
35 33 25
20 24 34 bet RRB
28 14 19 LOSS bet RRB
(25) 1 15 W+1
36 6 11 bet LHH. bet BBR
(20) 17 6 0 W+1 LOSS-7 bet LHH
(3) 10 15 W+1
26 6 10
8 16 30
3 17 19 bet HHL
(36) 7 7 W+1
3 33 16
29 32 15
2 13 8
25 6 32 0
19 17 11
32 4 28 bet BRR
21 20 2 LOSS-7 bet BRR
32 (32) 8 W+1. bet LLH
31 0 ( 8 ) 9 W+1
10 34 7
9 20 7
-16u
Im going to re test these 7 sessions but in a sniping fashion.
RRB.
RR. bet once on R -1u
Next trigger
EOO
EO. bet once on E -2u
And so on.
1,2,4 prog (7u)
_________
The way i have been testing..
RRB
RRB bet. BBR.
is just jumping onto the losing streaks alot.
________
The sniping way ill test should catch more wins
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 05, 10:46 AM 2018
6th and 7th session :(
#6. Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (09:10 - 11:10)
H/L. - R/B. - O/E
26 9 27
27 3 26
34 6 27
22 9 0 18
10 27 11
27 27 35
15 2 24
5 15 34
13 21 27
7 17 23
34 24 21
26 35 22
1 28 8
17 16 10 bet EOO
35 (31) 15 0 W+1
4 30 19
24 26 13 bet. OOE
34 2 21 LOSS -7
22 24 5 LOSS -7
(1) 6 1 W+1
29 22 29
26 20 36
8 32 31
26 13 36
22 7 25
34 27 16
5 1 6
11 6 18
23 7 28
23 34 8 bet BBR
34 18 (1) W+1
28 14 20
8 26 24
9 31 8
19 14 35
-11u
_________
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (07:20 - 09:25)
11 17 33
25 18 28
19 0 3 19
21 3 34
3 0 25 33
31 23 14
26 30 28
32 15 19
25 30 27
36 14 5
5 30 6
22 25 13
35 33 25
20 24 34 bet RRB
28 14 19 LOSS bet RRB
(25) 1 15 W+1
36 6 11 bet LHH. bet BBR
(20) 17 6 0 W+1 LOSS-7 bet LHH
(3) 10 15 W+1
26 6 10
8 16 30
3 17 19 bet HHL
(36) 7 7 W+1
3 33 16
29 32 15
2 13 8
25 6 32 0
19 17 11
32 4 28 bet BRR
21 20 2 LOSS-7 bet BRR
32 (32) 8 W+1. bet LLH
31 0 (8) 9 W+1
10 34 7
9 20 7
-16u
I tested this bet on roulettesimulator with rated game just now. I made a few mistakes but besides that it was not good, always going south. :(
You can watch my try - ASanchez1
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 05, 10:49 AM 2018
Im going to re test these 7 sessions but in a sniping fashion.
RRB.
RR. bet once on R -1u
Next trigger
EOO
EO. bet once on E -2u
And so on.
1,2,4 prog (7u)
_________
The way i have been testing..
RRB
RRB bet. BBR.
is just jumping onto the losing streaks alot.
________
The sniping way ill test should catch more wins
#1. Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (05:45 - 09:00)
H/L. +. O/E. + R/B
6 16 15
29 2 1
26 21 20
30 25 20
26 36 19
28 36 22 << no bet 2 qualified
10 0 6 29
21 20 31
28 7 14
8 10 21
25 4 12
21 2 5 << no bet 2 qualified
7 16 10
9 17 8
33 11 (16). L-1
32 29 13
23 12 36
20 11 3
23 2 20
26 1 30
8 0 18 (22). W+2
11 25 21
30 31 32
18 32 11
25 33 25
20 11 25
15 23 2
2 35 6
29 11 8
12 25 8
17 35 21
6 21 (7) W+1
8 20 15 0
20 25 15
6 25 (27). L-1
34 19 (2) W+2
5 14 (1) W+1
3 6 18
31 31 12
13 28 (9) L-1
35 35 (10). W+2
23 31 8 << no bet 2 qualified
15 3 (3) W+1
(+6u)
_____________
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 05, 10:46 AM 2018
6th and 7th session :(
#6. Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (09:10 - 11:10)
H/L. - R/B. - O/E
26 9 27
27 3 26
34 6 27
22 9 0 18
10 27 11
27 27 35
15 2 24
5 15 34
13 21 27
7 17 23
34 24 21
26 35 22
1 28 8
17 16 10 bet EOO
35 (31) 15 0 W+1
4 30 19
24 26 13 bet. OOE
34 2 21 LOSS -7
22 24 5 LOSS -7
(1) 6 1 W+1
29 22 29
26 20 36
8 32 31
26 13 36
22 7 25
34 27 16
5 1 6
11 6 18
23 7 28
23 34 8 bet BBR
34 18 (1) W+1
28 14 20
8 26 24
9 31 8
19 14 35
-11u
_________
Appolloo, i tested the above and got different results. I play a bit different as you'll see. I also look for hidden patterns.
H/L. - R/B. - O/E
26 9 27...BRR
27 3 26...RRB/OOE..............bet against the pattern BRR-RRB-(BRR). Bet RBB
34 6 27 W+1 EEO.................bet against OOE. Bet EEO
22 9 0 18 W+2
10 27 11
27 27 35
15 2 24...LLH
5 15 34...LLH.......bet HHL
13 21 27 W+3
7 17 23
34 24 21...HHH
26 35 22...HHH......bet HHH
1 28 8 W+4
17 16 10 bet EOO
35 (31) 15 0 W+5...HHL
4 30 19 ..................LHH
24 26 13.................HHL..........(HHL-LHH-HHL). Bet against LHH. Bet(HLL
34 2 21 W+6......................bet OOE
22 24 5 L+5.......................bet OOE (2u)
(1) 6 1 W+7.........OEO
29 22 29 .............OEO...................bet OEO
26 20 36 W+8
8 32 31
26 13 36....HLH
22 7 25......HLH..................bet HLH
34 27 16 W+9
5 1 6.......RRB
11 6 18...BBR............(RRB-BBR)..........bet against that formation. Bet BBR
23 7 28 L+8...........................................continue betting against it, bet RRB
23 34 8 W+10.......OEE..................bet RRB
34 18 (1) W+11.....EEO................bet against this formation OEE-EEO (OEE)....bet EOO
28 14 20 W+12.......EEE
8 26 24 ...................EEE..................bet EEE
9 31 8 W+13
19 14 35
+13u
Ill take a good look carsch.. At how your betting there.
Thanks
Loss should be -7 ?
This sniping way looking good
😉
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 05, 01:09 PM 2018
This sniping way looking good
😉
Good to hear that. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 05, 10:49 AM 2018
Im going to re test these 7 sessions but in a sniping fashion.
RRB.
RR. bet once on R -1u
Next trigger
EOO
EO. bet once on E -2u
And so on.
1,2,4 prog (7u)
_________
The way i have been testing..
RRB
RRB bet. BBR.
is just jumping onto the losing streaks alot.
________
The sniping way ill test should catch more wins
Apollo
Can you explain the way you are playing?
Which modifications did you do?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 02:15 PM 2018
Apollo
Can you explain the way you are playing?
Sure ill do my best..
*Playing all three ECs
*Trigger for a bet is...
OOE
OO. << bet once on O
or
OEE
OE. << bet once on O
if you lose on that bet -1u then stop and wait for a new trigger on any of the 3 ECs betting 2u next trigger.... If lose 4u on next trigger.
(1,2,4 stop -7u)
*if two triggers at the same time it doesn't qualify as a bet.
Example
8 10 21
25 4 12
21 2 5 << no bet 2 qualified
7 16 10
9 17 8
33 11 (16). L-1
32 29 13
23 12 36
20 11 3
23 2 20
26 1 30
8 0 18 (22). W+2
11 25 21
30 31 32
18 32 11
25 33 25
20 11 25
15 23 2
2 35 6
29 11 8
12 25 8
17 35 21
6 21 (7) W+1
8 20 15 0
20 25 15
6 25 (27). L-1
34 19 (2) W+2
5 14 (1) W+1
3 6 18
31 31 12
13 28 (9) L-1
35 35 (10). W+2
Hope you understand.
Thanks
Thanks Apollo
I see you don't use progression on the same bet if you lose You wait for a new trigger and double the bet.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 02:30 PM 2018
Thanks Apollo
I see you don't use progression on the same bet if you lose You wait for a new trigger and double the bet.
Yeah but look.. Maybe just unlucky couple sessions but.
Soon as i said its looking good, BANG!! it goes down hill.... Typical isn't it.
Session 1. (+5).
Session 2. (+4)
Session 3. (+6)
Session 4. (-2)
Session 5. (+5)
Session 6. (-2) looked ok here
Session 7. (-6)
Session 8. (-12)
:yawn:
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 05, 02:41 PM 2018
Yeah but look.. Maybe just unlucky couple sessions but.
Soon as i said its looking good, BANG!! it goes down hill.... Typical isn't it.
Session 1. (+5).
Session 2. (+4)
Session 3. (+6)
Session 4. (-2)
Session 5. (+5)
Session 6. (-2) looked ok here
Session 7. (-6)
Session 8. (-12)
:yawn:
I spent a lot of time testing a lot of such pattern bet and
ALL of them didn't work. I don't want to sound negative to tell you that earlier but you will find out soon enough with your own testing. It's very, very difficult to find a system that work, that's the truth.
How about JL updated PB, what does your test tell you?
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 02:45 PM 2018
I spent a lot of time testing a lot of such pattern bet and ALL of them didn't work. I don't want to sound negative to tell you that earlier but you will find out soon enough with your own testing. It's very, very difficult to find a system that work, that's the truth.
How about JL updated PB, what does your test tell you?
CHT
You've said the you play similar like me and it's working for you.
Why are you saying otherwise now?
I play PB daily around 4,5 games a day. Doing ok i had a 23 streak..then a little bad patch and working back to raising bankroll again now.
Just a hobby i guess 😂 trying things out.
(Looks like ill carry on testing inevitable streaks... Good so far)
I still think this is the best way for me
I wait for a pattern to form:
BBR (starting with R)
I have to bet:
RRB (starting with B)
But I wait for two virtual losses:
BR (starting with R)
Then i start the 3 step progression:
RBR
I never bet against: BBB, RRR, BRB, RBR
You can bet all signals at the same time: B/R, H/L, O/E
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 02:56 PM 2018
CHT
You've said the you play similar like me and it's working for you.
Why are you saying otherwise now?
I made it clear in my earlier post that there are similarities BUT how I play is very different.
The differences as I pointed out earlier are -
1. what patterns I bet, and
2. when I bet them.
I can play the same system with roulette, baccarat or sitbo I still get the same result. It's based on statistics.
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 05, 02:58 PM 2018
I play PB daily around 4,5 games a day. Doing ok i had a 23 streak..then a little bad patch and working back to raising bankroll again now.
Just a hobby i guess 😂 trying things out.
(Looks like ill carry on testing inevitable streaks... Good so far)
If you are doing good, keep at it.
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 03:02 PM 2018
I made it clear in my earlier post that there are similarities BUT how I play is very different.
The differences as I pointed out earlier are -
1. what patterns I bet, and
2. when I bet them.
Ok I understand it.
Can you say to us what and when you bet them?
How do you proceed?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 03:05 PM 2018
Ok I understand it.
Can you say to us what and when you bet them?
How do you proceed?
Apolloo has tested the various methods to find out that eventually they don't work. Anyone can do the test they will find out they don't work too.
I have posted on this forum earlier that for systems play to work there must be a basis why they work. The basis is math statistics.
When I made that claim I got attacked.
Math statistics will not work with random.... bla, bla, bla.....
Only AP and roulette physics work.
Do I give a fark really ?
I believe what I have perfected and now play for real money at b&m casino - 100% return on session br.
Again I can't prove that so...
I posted my play that double the br in 45-49spins twice. Tell me who can do that ?
Oh, that's fake because you tried many attempts then post the successful try.
I say go fark yourself. This is as far that I will go - I will not leave my games permanently in the rated games. Don't believe done, I couldn't care less. I'm here to learn how to make money not build a reputation of roulette god on forums.
Conclusion - math statistics work.
BUT you got to be one heck of a braniac to make it work.
That's it from me.
Good luck everyone. I hope you find what you are looking for. That you make loads of money from the casino. The very best wishes.
cht
CHT
Ok you can't give us a simple and straight answer: What's your way to bet.
I think for me is enough. That's why I don't share my repeats strategy. When I want some help I don't have it.
Im coming back to my hg repeats strategy.
Good luck
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 03:40 PM 2018
CHT
Ok you can't give us a simple and straight answer: What's your way to bet.
I think for me is enough. That's why I don't share my repeats strategy. When I want some help I don't have it.
Im coming back to my hg repeats strategy.
Good luck
You should stick to your hg repeats strategy - I tested that too.
Good luck Andre.
Quote from: cht on Jan 27, 10:36 AM 2018
One of the main reasons why I don't play PB with roulette is due to the zero.
There quite a bit of changes I made to the original JohnLegends PB mostly because I don't like progressive bet sizing betting all 3 columns, it's flat bet sniper style for me.
The 1st change is when do I start the game. I record the 1st 9 results to find out which holds the majority - Player or Banker. Eg. Player holds the majority I start the game when the 1st column of the 3 series starts with Player. Early Banker series is ignored. If the count is a tie, extend another series.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P Start game.
The 2nd change I make is I don't bet PB. I wait for one of the series pattern to appear that is immediately followed by the next series that is a repeat of an earlier series pattern.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P 1 Start game.
B P P 2
P P B 3
P B P 1repeat (column 2 and column 3 is different)
Comparing the last 2 series by column, column 2 and column 3 is different. When at least 2 out of 3 columns are different it signals a bet potential - trigger. I plan to bet against pattern 3 at the 3rd column, provided column 1 and 2 is same with pattern 3.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P T
P B P 1 (Start game)
B P P 2
P P B 3
P B P 1repeat
P P Column 1 and 2 is same as pattern 3, bet Player
P P P means win
P P B means lose
The game for the shoe ends when pattern 8 appears. Ignore the ties after the initial count.
I play it at the etg bacs for 20 shoes a day with my partners. High strike rate but boring grind.
Still playing this CHT?
Quote from: RayManZ on Feb 05, 04:08 PM 2018
Still playing this CHT?
No
I play similar to Andre Chass method with the differences I spelt out above.
It can be played with roulette, baccarat or sicbo it gives the same result. The edge is overwhelming.
Start from Andre Chass method he posted on here. He and Apolloo took the wrong path. :(
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 03:26 PM 2018I will not leave my games permanently in the rated games.
Don't blame ya, there they can see the game unfold.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/05/temp_373930.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G0SuZ)
The above using 1unit on remaing non-hit after 10 spins. You have to understand how the non-hit come. How do you do this, study your method, learn what trips your method up, so you know how to work around its problem,in KTF repeats.
Sorry its off topic
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 05, 04:15 PM 2018
Don't blame ya, there they can see the game unfold.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/05/temp_373930.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G0SuZ)
The above using 1unit on remaing non-hit after 10 spins. You have to understand how the non-hit come. How do you do this, study your method, learn what trips your method up, so you know how to work around its problem,in KTF repeats.
Sorry its off topic
Bolded part is best advice - that's how I found my system, I studied everything in detail. I mean EVERYTHING.
Roulette simulator seems to make everyone win. Even I tried a few hands and ended up getting a good northwards chart. Good luck with all those posting pretty charts to have fun at casino. Meeting up is a good idea. Live in Crick. Middle of nowhere, but can make to anywhere as long as you are meeting in England.
Rouletteforum.cc - steve
Roulette30 forum - real
Gamblingforums - Dr sir anyoneanyone
Betselection - alrelax
When systems players claim they win big and consistently they are called out as scammers - it's impossible the math says so bla bla bla....
Now you guys know the reason why no system player will share their winning method on forums.
Despite what they think, other player have brain enough to accept or reject what actually works. Its just a lame excuse.
Whatever, I'm moving on to roulette30 and/or betselection.
Lets see how kav and vic moderate their forums. I like to talk roulette/baccarat with fellow roulette/baccarat enthusiast. I've learnt a lot on this forum. But big NO to blatant abusive behavior.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 05, 04:55 PM 2018
Roulette simulator seems to make everyone win. Even I tried a few hands and ended up getting a good northwards chart. Good luck with all those posting pretty charts to have fun at casino. Meeting up is a good idea. Live in Crick. Middle of nowhere, but can make to anywhere as long as you are meeting in England.
you arent fooling anyone
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 06:11 PM 2018I like to talk roulette/baccarat with fellow roulette/baccarat enthusiast. I've learnt a lot on this forum. But big NO to blatant abusive behavior.
Why leave cht. We are all jointly beating up the people who don’t want to play systems. Don’t weaken the army.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 05, 07:34 PM 2018
Why leave cht. We are all jointly beating up the people who don’t want to play systems. Don’t weaken the army.
I just came back from the casino late yesterday.
I was thrilled by my recent string of success(It worked exactly according to our tests with baccarat. Winning 100% br is not kid stuff.) feeling very tired walking the large casino floor on 2 stories hunting the ideal baccarat etgs all day long for the shoes to play.
I rested a bit then played the method on roulettesimulator to show you guys how good the result can be(I don't play with roulette). Then tested Andre's way of playing 3 sessions there - I don't know the outcome of how he plays before that, now I know.
Why should I do that really ?
I don't think I should share the entire system in detail, it's mechanical but not a simple system. All I'm willing to tell you guys I already posted it here.
It's fine with me if you don't believe, no problem.
But I feel when I withhold the details, people will start to hit out at me with scammer, liar.... I'm not going to deal with that, just too tired for nonsense.
Anyway I'll be reading, if someone genuinely seeks specific help or guidance I will provide assistance within limits.
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 06:11 PM 2018
Whatever, I'm moving on to roulette30 and/or betselection.
Lets see how kav and vic moderate their forums. I like to talk roulette/baccarat with fellow roulette/baccarat enthusiast. I've learnt a lot on this forum. But big NO to blatant abusive behavior.
You like to criticize other people's methods.
Yet, when you are at the receiving end of other people's critical comments, you cannot handle it -- you basically suffer a meltdown.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 05, 08:04 PM 2018
You like to criticize other people's methods.
Yet, when you are at the receiving end of other people's critical comments, you cannot handle it -- you basically suffer a meltdown.
Tell me exactly what your criticisms are. I will respond if they are valid but I won't respond to nonsense.
That's the kind of nonsense I don't respond to. You don't read or purposely ignore what I wrote -
I won 100% of br for the 6th time. And I will continue to win just the same.Chew that. :thumbsup:
Meltdown ? Rubbish comment that will come at me because I refuse to share my method. :twisted:
moderators should delete all comments not related to the game play of PB
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 08:07 PM 2018
Tell me exactly what your criticisms are. I will respond if they are valid but I won't respond to nonsense.
That's the kind of nonsense I don't respond to. You don't read or purposely ignore what I wrote - I won 100% of br for the 6th time.
Meltdown ? Rubbish comment that will come at me because I refuse to share my method. :twisted:
I did not say that I have critical comments about your methods -- but others do.
And you do seem to have issues dealing with other people's critical comments as evidenced by your previous comments on this page.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 05, 08:14 PM 2018
I did not say that I have critical comments about your methods -- but others do.
And you do seem to have issues dealing with other people's critical comments as evidenced by your previous comments on this page.
Use your brain DoctorSudoku,
Here I am telling you guys the potential of this pattern play - making sure I don't post misleading stuff or post stuff that can be wrongly misinterpreted. And I have to deal with nonsensical comments after a few days of hard work playing at b&m casino.
Does it make sense to you ?
I have zero benefit doing this.
Delete my posts on here for all I care.
Do you know why I'm doing this ?
Because I found my method after reading carefully everyones posts and do a lot of my own homework.
It came from you guys posts.
I'm not a selfish barstard that's why I'm pointing you guys to a good thing here. Nothing more to this.
Right now I'll be resting for today. Tomorrow starts another 3days of 5hrs play each.
I already have my rooms booked up to the end of the month.
If you are playing for hobby then ignore my posts.
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 08:17 PM 2018
Use your brain DoctorSudoku,
Here I am telling you guys the potential of this pattern play. And I have to deal with nonsensical comments after a few days of hard work playing at b&m casino.
I have zero benefit doing this.
Delete my posts on here for all I care.
Does it make sense to you ?
I am NOT really interested in your "pattern play" method.
Have I asked you a single question about your method in this thread?
The answer is no.
But others do seem to have questions about your method ......
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 05, 08:28 PM 2018
I am NOT really interested in your "pattern play" method.
Have I asked you a single question about your method in this thread?
The answer is no.
But others do seem to have questions about your method ......
ET ALL - I have posted everything here, read them carefully. You have to follow the trail, do your own homework to find out for yourself.
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 08:31 PM 2018
ET ALL - I have posted everything here, read them carefully. You have to follow the trail, do your own homework to find out for yourself.
Thank you CHT for all your sharing here. I will continue to follow you.
I wish we all stand together against casinos and not against each other. We are one team. Don't follow: divide and rule. If we will divide, casinos will rule.
Love and Light
SugTips
Here's the baccarat excel sheet to help you explore. I use pen and paper at the casino.
Don't key in tie, ignore tie treat it as invisible.
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 09:01 PM 2018
Here's the baccarat excel sheet to help you explore. I use pen and paper at the casino.
Don't key in tie, ignore tie treat it as invisible.
Okay CHT so we only want player or banker patterns until left with the last one?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 05, 08:28 PM 2018
I am NOT really interested in your "pattern play" method.
Have I asked you a single question about your method in this thread?
The answer is no.
But others do seem to have questions about your method ......
I dont trust pattern play DR. Ive seen things like this happen in the last 11 years.
BRR
BRR
BRR
BRR
BRR
RBB
RBB
RBB
One after the other playing pattern breaker with baccarat though. Think theres something there.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 06, 01:33 AM 2018
I dont trust pattern play DR. Ive seen things like this happen in the last 11 years.
BRR
BRR
BRR
BRR
BRR
RBB
RBB
RBB
One after the other playing pattern breaker with baccarat though. Think theres something there.
I think this talk about pattern play ends with this post.
This is your PB thread, so I apologise to have diverted the topic to something totally different. I can assure you this won't happen again.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 06, 01:31 AM 2018
Okay CHT so we only want player or banker patterns until left with the last one?
According to your PB strategy, we similarly wait for the 7th pattern to appear then bet against the 8th remaining pattern.
Remember that we pay 5% commission for Banker win for traditional baccarat or payout for Banker win on total 6 is 50% for super6 variant.
7th pattern normally comes in after 45-50 hands. So to speed up the game you can scan the history board for number of hands already played around this region.
Quote from: cht on Feb 06, 02:02 AM 2018
According to your PB strategy, we similarly wait for the 7th pattern to appear then bet against the 8th remaining pattern.
Remember that we pay 5% commission for Banker win for traditional baccarat or payout for Banker win on total 6 is 50% for super6 variant.
7th pattern normally comes in after 45-50 hands. So to speed up the game you can scan the history board for number of hands already played around this region.
Got you...😎
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 05, 08:13 PM 2018
moderators should delete all comments not related to the game play of PB
I agree. I hope moderators and admin clean up the thread from all other post that's not related to the game play of JL PB. I apologise for the mess I created. TQ
Quote from: cht on Feb 06, 02:21 AM 2018
I agree. I hope moderators and admin clean up the thread from all other post that's not related to the game play of JL PB. I apologise for the mess I created. TQ
lol I was thinking that myself CHT. Its like my thread has become the resting place for every idea involving three wide patterns. :smile: :smile: :smile:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 06, 02:33 AM 2018
lol I was thinking that myself CHT. Its like my thread has become the resting place for every idea involving three wide patterns. :smile: :smile: :smile:
You deserve to be proud that you single-handedly have set off the creative juice with fellow punters all over the world with your renown PB strategy. Hats off to you. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Feb 06, 02:43 AM 2018
You deserve to be proud that you single-handedly have set off the creative juice with fellow punters all over the world with your renown PB strategy. Hats off to you. :thumbsup:
Thanks CHT :thumbsup:
My friend did you ever see this (the first time I play PB): Betvoyager, RNG, today - 10.30h. I'm playing against the last 5 numbers (I had to get in the game - I think / I think this is possible in 1 of 1 million cases??). The first 24 numbers fill out all eight patterns????
29,4,28,19,6,3,32,7,28,20,22,2,21,19,11,24,20,23,18,1,35,9,27,18.
ooo -5
eee -4
oeo -2
eoe -3
ooe -8 here I go out (after 5 bets) without my money! :o
eeo -6
oee -1
eoo -7 here i go into the game, bravely with the marty !?
Interesting to play, that roulette ?!
Hello everyone from croatia!
Never play PB on RNG.
It will never work.
The only way I can think that it brings profit is a hitn run in this method.
It still surprises me how people devote attention to such a strategy.
It is known that it loses, the only advantage is hitnrun which still does not give profit in longrun.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 05:54 AM 2018
Never play PB on RNG.
It will never work.
The only way I can think that it brings profit is a hitn run in this method.
It is impossible for RNG to know, in this case what I played! This is just bad, bad and bad luck! P.S. so this was a fast hit and run game( run without money)?! :sad2:
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 06:02 AM 2018
It still surprises me how people devote attention to such a strategy.
It is known that it loses, the only advantage is hitnrun which still does not give profit in longrun.
after this game today, I can say that I agree with you. Marty is a big no, no! To lose RNG should hit me against me 6 - 9 times? This rng works with ease.
I admire how much money people lose, for playing what is roulette.
Someone will say that he has some money in a decade, he has 3 months of profit, and everyone is trying to repeat it, I do not swear that he is able to earn a year.
Many people will lose large sums of money trying to revive such results.
This is bad advertising.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 05:54 AM 2018
Never play PB on RNG.
It will never work.
The only way I can think that it brings profit is a hitn run in this method.
Ozon according to Tin Soldiers the revised form of PATTERN BREAKER. Can play all day and hold at least double its true odds of 7--1.
He attained 22--1 over 500 odd games.
Its definately STRONGER than the original PB. Because non other than random itself. Selects your bet for you.
And in doing so can lead you AWAY from the losing even chance in the set of 3.
I know this because when I recently enjoyed a streak of 38 games. There were still losses happening. But they were happening in the second and third qualifying even chances.
NOT the first one. As a result my strikrate has risen from an average of 11--1 to 15--1 in 3 weeks. THE STREAKS im enjoying are getting longer.
PATTERN BREAKER revised can play longer than its predecessor. 8) 8) 8)
But you only confirm that hitnrun works, if you start to play, this strategy will start to lose.
I wish you a luck, because I do not have it.
many people who try your strategies are losing money and this is not good
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 07:54 AM 2018
But you only confirm that hitnrun works, if you start to play, this strategy will start to lose.
I wish you a luck, because I do not have it.
many people who try your strategies are losing money and this is not good
Ozon some people cant buy a win. If ive just been lucky for eleven years. Maybe the loser should invest in me and let me play for them.
Nobody playing the revised form of PB. should be going below 7--1 its simply not going to happen. I tell you what we have is people who play ten games of PB lose 3 and call the system a loser.
I have had periods when I lost 3 games in 6. But over a 100 game sample have never ever lost more than11 games. And over 200 games never more than 17. People do not STAY with a system long enough to be able to make a true assessment of it.
Played Properly over a 100 game sample nobody should go sub 7--1. But like I said if you cant buy a win I will play for you. Because all I do with this thing is win week in week out. 5 to 10 games a day.
You succeed, but almost everyone loses in the long run.
Why.
I do not just sit in this forum, but watch the forex factory and see what kind of lucky run they have, but in the long run it is a failure.
Why this strategy would have to be earned?
You know how many people have lost through your strategies.
because you have luck run
a lot of people checked your game and lost
this is casino profit
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 08:11 AM 2018
You succeed, but almost everyone loses in the long run.
Why.
I do not just sit in this forum, but watch the forex factory and see what kind of lucky run they have, but in the long run it is a failure.
Why this strategy would have to be earned?
You say you played PB and lost. Tell me the truth. How many games did you play. How many a day. And where did you play.
Im not the only person who wins consistently. Have a word with Dr Sudoku. I know three people who have played PB for several years. And all have been successful. Do they ALL have the SAME LEVEL of success. No absolutely not.
But not one of them has gone negative numbers. But they all follow my instructions to the letter. When to play. How many games a day. And most importantly. What not to play on.
Ive told you all from the beginning. Under no circumstances do you play on RNG. I dont even trust airball. Slingshot roulette.
If there isnt a man or woman spinning the ball on a real wheel. DONT TOUCH IT. Rngs are not roulette.
Just like a computer or bot used to test if a system stands or falls is not and never will be comparable to true roulette. A man or woman spinning a little white ball on a real wheel.
In many cases rng does not behave like a real roulette wheel
Rng is computer programs not a roulette wheel
How many games have you played in 11 years.
After that time, you had a profit?
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 09:07 AM 2018
How many games have you played in 11 years.
After that time, you had a profit?
14.069 as of today. Absolutely. It used to average 12 wins to every loss when i just played HIGH LOW.
That strikerate has risen to 15 wins to every loss. Since I started tracking all 3 even chances to get that first bet.
I can tell you, time, I have time to play 5k spins a day
And I know that something that does not earn RNG, can not earn in longrun.
Thank you Rouletteghost I know that sometimes a runner can run a live wheel.
But this is a lucky run not a stable strategy.
I got strategy that goes 500k spins on profit , and going for loser.
RNG. 😵
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 06, 07:46 AM 2018
Ozon according to Tin Soldiers the revised form of PATTERN BREAKER. Can play all day and hold at least double its true odds of 7--1.
He attained 22--1 over 500 odd games.
Its definately STRONGER than the original PB. Because non other than random itself. Selects your bet for you.
And in doing so can lead you AWAY from the losing even chance in the set of 3.
I know this because when I recently enjoyed a streak of 38 games. There were still losses happening. But they were happening in the second and third qualifying even chances.
NOT the first one. As a result my strikrate has risen from an average of 11--1 to 15--1 in 3 weeks. THE STREAKS im enjoying are getting longer.
PATTERN BREAKER revised can play longer than its predecessor. 8) 8) 8)
what exactly is the revised patern breaker ?
I am in profit using PB the first EC to show.
Was playing up to 10 games at once same wheel. Although i did hit a 23 streak i did run into a couple of losses then a loss after a small streak... This does get to you thinking is it worth it. But after the losses i still in profit.
Now playing only two games per session and still have the belief it will give profit overall and just have the patience to know the streaks will come.
You have the results from sentinel3 from 14,000 games and i cannot see why he would lie about his results.
Only difference you may have with his style is he plays hit and run.
Thanks
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 06, 09:25 AM 2018
RNG. 😵
You think that RNG is diffrent from real roulette.
WHY?
I really do not want to get into discussions
What's the edge when using PB, not using hitnrun?
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 09:33 AM 2018
You think that RNG is diffrent from real roulette.
WHY?
You bet all numbers expect 2 numbers... Will work its way to hitting one of them.
You just see more freak events.
Iv seen RBRBRB go 19 times...
Maybe i hit a unlucky streak or maybe it knew exactly what i was betting on.
Just my experience!!
Play 3000 spins, on real wheeel and you will see that everything is the same.
ozon
Maybe you are right
Maybe you are not right
Why take the chance? Play airball if you don’t want dealer
Hi everyone.
Iv been testing this PB system but on the Dozens and columns.
The patterns im using are
Dozens. Columns
AAA. 111
BBB. 222
CCC. 333
Wait until we have crossed off two of the patterns. Then bet for the last pattern not to show on the next set of 3 spins.
Only betting 1-1, 3-3. (8u loss)
________
My tests so far:
Games played = 30
1st W = 16 times
2nd. LW = 12 times
LOSS. LLW+LLL = 2 times
Bankroll = +14
________
Examples
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:30 - 08:40)
2 19 24
29 5 35 *222
34 4 17
15 8 22
1 14 27
9 34 3
34 19 2
31 36 22
3 11 28
12 7 14
23 24 29
25 2 9
29 15 6
13 10 23
1 19 5
5 1 16
28 31 12
8 5 30
26 27 33 *CCC
22 5 15
28 17 24.
29 36 13.
1 24 24
10 24 4
4 25 18
31 35 18
29 18 19
29 12 13
5 9 5. *AAA. Bet a+c
14 2 8 (W+1)
8 24 36
12 24 36. *333 bet 2+3
29 29 26 (W+1)
13 4 31
34 33 23
9 5 16
25 35 35
(+2u)
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Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:45 - 10:55)
23 24 21 *BBB
33 36 30 *CCC *333 (trig bet C+B)
28 31 19 *111 W+1. (trig bet 1+3)
10 5 26 W+1
+2u
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Thanks
You know you have a solid winner when your winners overwhelm the losers.
Rouletteghost I like you, we've spent a lot of time in this forum.
But did you believe that it could work and n longrun.
We know that it will lose at the end.
If hit n run works in long run, we should all try.
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 06, 09:38 AM 2018
You bet all numbers expect 2 numbers... Will work its way to hitting one of them.
You just see more freak events.
Iv seen RBRBRB go 19 times...
Maybe i hit a unlucky streak or maybe it knew exactly what i was betting on.
Just my experience!!
Exactly, RNG is like playing a slot machine. It will produce unatural patterns. You will die before ever seeing on a real wheel.
Quote from: blueman on Feb 06, 05:36 AM 2018
My friend did you ever see this (the first time I play PB): Betvoyager, RNG, today - 10.30h. I'm playing against the last 5 numbers (I had to get in the game - I think / I think this is possible in 1 of 1 million cases??). The first 24 numbers fill out all eight patterns????
29,4,28,19,6,3,32,7,28,20,22,2,21,19,11,24,20,23,18,1,35,9,27,18.
ooo -5
eee -4
oeo -2
eoe -3
ooe -8 here I go out (after 5 bets) without my money! :o
eeo -6
oee -1
eoo -7 here i go into the game, bravely with the marty !?
Interesting to play, that roulette ?!
Hello everyone from croatia!
Blueman Betvoyager is not roulette PERIOD.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 06, 08:01 AM 2018I have had periods
Now that’s a funny sentence.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 06, 10:30 AM 2018
Now that’s a funny sentence.
What do you know, it may not be funny. :xd:
Quote from: Post on Feb 06, 09:26 AM 2018
what exactly is the revised patern breaker ?
Go back to page 104 Post. My revision is there.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 09:36 AM 2018
I really do not want to get into discussions
What's the edge when using PB, not using hitnrun?
I asked you some questions. Im still waiting for the anwsers.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 09:17 AM 2018
I can tell you, time, I have time to play 5k spins a day
And I know that something that does not earn RNG, can not earn in longrun.
Thank you Rouletteghost I know that sometimes a runner can run a live wheel.
But this is a lucky run not a stable strategy.
I got strategy that goes 500k spins on profit , and going for loser.
An RNG is not roulette PERIOD. I stated that 7 years ago.
Many years of profit using a mechanical system
Good job.
I’m gonna give it a go on baccarat as you can use the baccarat player card and my casino has mechanical arm that deals the cards
Long time ago I try something like Andre Chass method a for few weeks
I believed in a hitn run, I went to zero and I played only 3 sessons a day.
If your method does not have an edge, flat bet.
Why should she play hitnrun. if hit n run works we do not have to have your method.
But we know exactly how hitnrun works.
If you will earn over 1 year you by very lucky.
You got lucky run ,nothing more
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 11:33 AM 2018
Long time ago I try something like Andre Chass method a for few weeks
I believed in a hitn run, I went to zero and I played only 3 sessons a day.
If your method does not have an edge, flat bet.
Why should she play hitnrun. if hit n run works we do not have to have your method.
But we know exactly how hitnrun works.
If you will earn over 1 year you by very lucky.
You got lucky run ,nothing more
Ozon you dont win for 11 years by luck.
If you play PB exactly as I designed it to be played you will profit.
The fact is if a system doesnt work. It doesnt stay above its true odds for 11 years and counting.
It would have crashed and burned a long time ago.
It doesnt hold such CONSISTENCY over that many games.
All people who are ruled by math based thinking believe what you believe. But if I opened an account for you and put just $100 in it and 10 years from now i give you back $50,000. Are you going to say I just got lucky for 10 years?
There is no such thing as LUCK for a system that needs to win 7 times to every loss JUST TO BREAK EVEN.
But if played under a certain set of rules can perform at around twice those odds PERMANENTLY.
If I was just lucky. There would have been years where THE FIRST GAME OF THE DAY for example. Lost more than 25 times in a calendar year.
But NO. Since 2008. The first game of the day has never gone worse than 343/22. And in 2013. Did an incredible 352/13.
That is no luck.. Your system could not hold those margins for 10 straight years by luck. It holds those margins because it WORKS. plain and simple.
Everybody who has this negative attitude. Wants to put down anyone who can be successful at this game.
Its like an insult to your intelligence. You say to yourself "I consider myself a pretty smart guy, if I cant win using a system then neither can anyone else".
There cant be anyone who can do better than ME. Thats the problem here. Someone has a system that works for a year or so then tanks. And they thought they were smart.
So from that moment on everybody else has to be just lucky. Or they know something you DONT. And that just cant be because you consider yourself SMART.
So if you cant win longterm..Then hell nobody else can either. Unless its ALL LUCK. Thats the general thinking and negativity that goes on.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 10:12 AM 2018
We know that it will lose at the end.
If that's what you believe, then why play roulette at all?
Don't you have any other productive thing to do?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 11:58 AM 2018
If that's what you believe, then why play roulette at all?
Don't you have any other productive thing to do?
Exactly, I detest negative people. They live their lives putting everything down. I avoid such people.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 06, 01:33 AM 2018
I dont trust pattern play DR. Ive seen things like this happen in the last 11 years.
BRR
BRR
BRR
BRR
BRR
RBB
RBB
RBB
One after the other playing pattern breaker with baccarat though. Think theres something there.
JL,
Pattern Breaker (with my tweaks, which you know about) has worked for me for the last 2 years and 4 months. As long as it works, I will keep using it.
You understand the set up of TURBOOGenius, that some will be won, and partly lost.
All time showss losing strategies winners.
many people will lose, but only a few will win
Show me the edge
You just drive a casino business
Im a forex trader, roulette is just fun, I do not see any profit in this longrun
Roulette is joke in long run
Unfortunately, I do not see any edge, in a betselection.
only hitnrun can cause this edge
If it causes edge, we'll all be rich
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 12:30 PM 2018
Unfortunately, I do not see any edge, in a betselection.
only hitnrun can cause this edge
If it causes edge, we'll all be rich
You will never succeed you are too negative. Best you just forget it and move on.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 12:10 PM 2018JL,
Pattern Breaker (with my tweaks, which you know about) has worked for me for the last 2 years and 4 months. As long as it works, I will keep using it.
Dr
If its not harm you, then please kindly share it with us and help us. Thanks a lot.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 12:10 PM 2018
JL,
Pattern Breaker (with my tweaks, which you know about) has worked for me for the last 2 years and 4 months. As long as it works, I will keep using it.
Yes Dr. It will work as long as you play it like you do.
I am not labouring with negative people with loser attitudes. Who will spend all day complaining instead of DOING.
Like i said I know people who will play a handful of games of something like PB. And if they dont all win. The systems a failure. They havent got what it takes to stay with the system LONG ENOUGH. To see its power and consistency.
TOO BAD for them. They will just go through life with this loser mentality. While guys like you and me keep making the money week in week out.
Ive come to the conclusion at nearly 54 years old. You are either made of the right stuff to be a winner or you are not.
And a lazy dismissive attitude is that of a loser. Anybody that runs this system properly as I advise. Will never be in the red longterm I can assure you of that.
One of my friends had 4 losses in their first 12 games when they started playing PB. They were on the phone to me. This thing isnt working for me..I said do me a favour and stay with it for at least 200 games.
Two weeks later that same person was on the phone. Like they had just won the lottery. On a serious high. Telling me they had just won their 30th straight game. The 88th game in total.
THATS PATTERN BREAKER. It rewards loyalty and staying power. When those streaks start coming. You understand why I am still using this system after 11 years.
Right now my first game of the day just won its 25th straight day. The tail end of last year I won 36 days in a row.
THATS why I still play PB and will until i draw my last breath... :smile:
Hi
I have been Testing PB for a week now and after a few losing sessions I have realized this system should be played sparingly but it does have those winning streaks. I have been playing in BM Casino together with MV5 which I am finding has a better continuous play record. So far my record for PB is 20 Wins, 2 Losses over 4 days playing 2-3 sessions per day. In comparison I played MV5 for a one hour session for 9W 1L.
I have also tested PB on 600+ spin continuous play using an online casino using a BOT. Attached is my current result with $1500 win. In this test I am using a D'Alembert progression with maximum progression of 6 steps 1(Base Unit),2,3,5,8,9. My example has Base Unit=$50. I am also playing all 3 E/C simultaneously. For the Odds/Evens I am playing the "1st does not match the 4th" also. I chose this E/C because it is the only one that has clumps of O/E on the wheel (eg.6,34:20,14: 29,7 and 17,25). The others (B/R and H/L) pretty much alternate on the wheel and are distributed evenly. My thinking is these two are more a 50/50 chance of repeating where the O/E may cause a bias one way or the other depending where the ball tends to fall. Not sure if this theory holds any water, probably not.
So with Smart Money Management and stop losses you can play this system long term and be in profit. I will continue playing in BM casinos to build my bankroll together with MV5.
I will keep you posted. As mentioned previously, I am trying to get the system to turn $1K into $100K to satisfy myself this is a playable system long term. I will also learn a lot about how random works and know what the pitfalls are and to avoid them in my real play.
Cheers Ricky
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 06, 12:58 PM 2018
You will never succeed you are too negative. Best you just forget it and move on.
How can I be too negative.
I am realist
I am trying to set the edge
I want to know why something is winning and is not voodoo shit
Knowing that something does not have the edge, it will suddenly start to have it.
And you will win millions if you win.
A lot of people will lose money trying your game, and only a few will win.
You write about 2 weeks, I write about 2 years, if you do not see the difference it's your problem
If I have time to spend time, I would like to know that the hitnrun works and gives you the edge
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 06, 03:56 PM 2018
Hi
I have been Testing PB for a week now and after a few losing sessions I have realized this system should be played sparingly but it does have those winning streaks. I have been playing in BM Casino together with MV5 which I am finding has a better continuous play record. So far my record for PB is 20 Wins, 2 Losses over 4 days playing 2-3 sessions per day. In comparison I played MV5 for a one hour session for 9W 1L.
I have also tested PB on 600+ spin continuous play using an online casino using a BOT. Attached is my current result with $1500 win. In this test I am using a D'Alembert progression with maximum progression of 6 steps 1(Base Unit),2,3,5,8,9. My example has Base Unit=$50. I am also playing all 3 E/C simultaneously. For the Odds/Evens I am playing the "1st does not match the 4th" also. I chose this E/C because it is the only one that has clumps of O/E on the wheel (eg.6,34:20,14: 29,7 and 17,25). The others (B/R and H/L) pretty much alternate on the wheel and are distributed evenly. My thinking is these two are more a 50/50 chance of repeating where the O/E may cause a bias one way or the other depending where the ball tends to fall. Not sure if this theory holds any water, probably not.
So with Smart Money Management and stop losses you can play this system long term and be in profit. I will continue playing in BM casinos to build my bankroll together with MV5.
I will keep you posted. As mentioned previously, I am trying to get the system to turn $1K into $100K to satisfy myself this is a playable system long term. I will also learn a lot about how random works and know what the pitfalls are and to avoid them in my real play.
Cheers Ricky
Ricky how do you play MV5?. I play MV7 these days in a 3 wide matrix. Yes the trigger takes longer. But in 714 games Ive never lost my 7 units 3 step progression. Like ive said a thousand times IF YOU CAN WAIT 🛑YOU WILL WIN🛑 The problem is forums are full of people who want a 5 minute 5 unit HG that never loses. And they still wouldnt be happy.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 06, 04:48 PM 2018
How can I be too negative.
I am realist
I am trying to set the edge
I want to know why something is winning and is not voodoo shit
Knowing that something does not have the edge, it will suddenly start to have it.
And you will win millions if you win.
A lot of people will lose money trying your game, and only a few will win.
You write about 2 weeks, I write about 2 years, if you do not see the difference it's your problem
If I have time to spend time, I would like to know that the hitnrun works and gives you the edge
Like I said just leave it alone. I only have time for positive people. Ask Dr Sudoku why he plays PB. Ask CHT why he plays it with Baccarat.
U cant claim something playing 11 spin in 11 yr and its hg. People will ask and u ll answer as u r the author. U r just sidestepping. Why leave it alone? If u cant answer u just move not others.
My question
Why only handfull of session? What magical things happen in first game? Why i cant play continiously? 22/1 is nothing. People having 150/0 . They play every spin continiously whenever they want not just a game at midnight after a dream.
Do u need posiyive people or ignorent people?
Some are being very unreasonable
He’s been playing it for over a decade winning
Dr s plays it and wins
It tests well
It has its losses. All systems do
If you don’t like it don’t play it
I’m looking forward to more baccarat results.
If u like it play it no issue . Just dont say it just go up up up and stay in space. Say it act like missile going up up and finally come down. 💥
Remember couple of days before u shared a graph. What that showed. ? Up to u if u close ur eyes but i cant be blind
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 05:58 PM 2018
My question
Why only handfull of session? What magical things happen in first game? Why i cant play continiously?
Positive people always avoid these question.
I m answering
By playing hide and seek we can reliably dodge the variance. U need to have patient , dont be greedy. Kill me
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 06, 05:17 PM 2018
The problem is forums are full of people who want a 5 minute 5 unit HG that never loses.
And these are the same people who either like to test a method for ten million spins using RNG numbers and claim it loses
or play the method continuously for hours in a casino with real money and claim it loses.
all systems lose at some point
its having the wins overcome the losses that counts
if people want a perfect system i recommend they do not play roulette
i am surprised after all this time you still play this
CHT post the baccarat results! lol
Hi people, it's Wednesday and time for my 3day assault at b&m casino to continue my 6th winning streak.
Wish me luck !
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 08:02 PM 2018
And these are the same people who either like to test a method for ten million spins using RNG numbers and claim it loses
The reason for this is u never know when , where what kind killer sequence ur system will face. Will it stand then?
Something like study the full book to do good in exam rathen than picking up some important topic.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 06, 08:05 PM 2018
all systems lose at some point
its having the wins overcome the losses that counts
And sorry to say that rather than overcoming losses it just swallow the br entirely if played continious basis
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 08:23 PM 2018
And sorry to say that rather than overcoming losses it just swallow the br entirely if played continious basis
I play continuously what the entire casino throw at us. :xd:
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 08:19 PM 2018
The reason for this is u never know when , where what kind killer sequence ur system will face. Will it stand then?
Testing for a million spins will result in (probably) every single method in roulette failing -- inevitably.
That is because every single method in roulette has at least one killer sequence that is its death sentence.
After finding the mystry TG s math model u still play red black? Surprised
Before I go, I want to propose money management possibilities for you guys to ponder -
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1. 1 2 4 - this is the usual martingale used
2. 1 1 1
3. 1 2
4. x 1 2 - x is virtual loss, if win skip the setup
5. x 1 1 - x is virtual loss, if win skip the setup
Think deep about this various bet sizing or other bet sizing you design. Most important, think about which bet sizing suits you best. It's not about winning alone. You want to win optimally. Discuss this and you guys will benefit a lot.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 08:29 PM 2018
After finding the mystry TG s math model u still play red black? Surprised
I research all methods to find the BEST model to win - I play serious money at b&m casino, not your regular hobbyist player.
This model I play over 5hrs a day, I risk losing my daily br $1400 or win $1400 -100% return. Over time as I win more casino money I will progressively up the bet size accordingly. The target is to play at max table limit in high roller room. That's a >=6 month target.
Secret sauce - I play very conservatively to protect my br. Risk management is the most important aspect in speculation activities especially gambling.
30-40 shoes a day which is equivalent to 30x70hands = 2100hands(spins if you play roulette) that I scan on average for one days play.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 08:27 PM 2018
That is because every single method in roulette has at least one killer sequence that is its death sentence.
Lets consider a parabola. As every system will lose.
A is the starting point. B is the highest point where it reaches with $100k and then down to point c which is the same level of A using 100k playing spin . Can u say in which position u r betting now. K l or m or n
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 08:48 PM 2018
Lets consider a parabola. As every system will lose.
A is the starting point. B is the highest point where it reaches with $100k and then down to point c which is the same level of A using 100k playing spin . Can u say in which position u r betting now. K l or m or n
Madi your point is valid no quarrel with that. Now that you know,
how are you going to make money with that math reality ?
AP ? - I don't believe in broken wheels, they hardly exist in the 21st century.
Roulette physics ? - those guys who claim the use of physics on forums are fooling people. Read their post - they offer zero math and zero physics principles in their post. Physics is standalone, it need math. If physics can be practically used to beat roulette, there will be a long queue of physicist screwing the casino. Don't be fooled.
Systems play based on math statistics is possible. It's the only other way. Do your homework, do it diligently.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 08:48 PM 2018
Lets consider a parabola. As every system will lose.
A is the starting point. B is the highest point where it reaches with $100k and then down to point c which is the same level of A using 100k playing spin . Can u say in which position u r betting now. K l or m or n
If you play continuously, you will -- guaranteed -- hit the killer sequence (maybe even more than once).
If you play on a hit and run basis and, in addition, sparingly, you try to dodge those killer sequences (sure, you can hit them occasionally, but it might be fewer times than what you would, if you play continuously).
***Physics is NOT standalone, it need math.
Got to go.
Oh god.
I arranged 24 people to play PB on behalf of me. Everyone indipendent.
Track 45-50 spin / 1 min per spin. -+ 10 min= total 60 min to earn 1 unit using 1-2-4 progression.
Each member will finish in an hour and each member will play hit and run just to earn 1 unit per hour. Then the next member will start. 24 memeber will play 24 hr.
How can escape? Bcz all members r using my money?
For me hit and run is betting once a day and I think PB should be played like this.
You need to have time and a lot of patience.
For example If my profit target is $50 a day.
I'll wait one of the patterns to form four times in a row and bet.
Example: RBB RBB RBB RBB bet BRR
Progression 50, 100, 200
That's my style.
If you bet only ONCE a day you avoid the variance.
imho
I have one more puzzle for you guys to think about that will help you understand the game of roulette better.
The pockets arrangement is 0, 32, 15, 19, 4, 21 ....and so on.
Is there a difference if the pocket arrangement is 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6....and so on ?
Do you think this above arrangement will help you win the game ?
Discuss this and tell us your answer below.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 09:09 PM 2018
Oh god.
I arranged 24 people to play PB on behalf of me. Everyone indipendent.
Track 45-50 spin / 1 min per spin. -+ 10 min= total 60 min to earn 1 unit using 1-2-4 progression.
Each member will finish in an hour and each member will play hit and run just to earn 1 unit per hour. Then the next member will start. 24 memeber will play 24 hr.
How can escape? Bcz all members r using my money?
You forgot to apply the secret sauce.
Put your money on sentinel, DoctorSudoku, Andre only. :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 08:58 PM 2018
If you play continuously, you will -- guaranteed -- hit the killer sequence (maybe even more than once).
If you play on a hit and run basis and, in addition, sparingly, you try to dodge those killer sequences (sure, you can hit them occasionally, but it might be fewer times than what you would, if you play continuously).
Key word is
mightIn the absence of anything better, 50% say no difference, 50% say 'might'.
Correct me if I am wrong, might = luck
[quote author=Andre Chass link=topic=4655.msg190416#msg190416 date=1517969452
Example: RBB RBB RBB RBB bet BRR
Progression 50, 100, 200
That's my style.
If you bet only ONCE a day you avoid the variance.
imho
[/quote]
RBB=1,2
When u get RB after 2 nd time bet for getting B using 1 unit. Lose
Again do the same unless another hot patten turns up.
2 step parley.
No need to be scared of variance
Play continiously
Day nd night as much as u want.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 09:55 PM 2018
[quote author=Andre Chass link=topic=4655.msg190416#msg190416 date=1517969452
Example: RBB RBB RBB RBB bet BRR
Progression 50, 100, 200
That's my style.
If you bet only ONCE a day you avoid the variance.
imho
RBB=1,2
When u get RB after 2 nd time bet for getting B using 1 unit. Lose
Again do the same unless another hot patten turns up.
2 step parley.
No need to be scared of variance
Play continiously
Day nd night as much as u want.
It seems a good way to play. I'll test it.
Thanks
So I wait for RBRB (that's 2 times RB) and do I bet for B. That's it?
2 step parley? I didn't understand it.
U will bet for hot pattern. When u track u will notice a pattern comes 3-4 times. Theoritically all pattern need to be formed in 24 spin while it doesnt happen. The last pattern becomes cold while others at least one getting hot.
While tracking u will get on pattern like this. For example
RBB. = 1 time
After couple of spin it repeats again
RBB=1,2 write down like this. Means this pattern appear 2 times.
Now wait for tracking other pattern and a time u will get RB . Then u will bet only for B to get another hot RBB pattern. Lose
Do the same and bet 1 unit again.
If u win for the first attempt bet 2 unit as 2 step parley to get another RBB pattern for the forth time. Normally in patter breaker track ing u get one pattern repaet 4 times
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 10:53 PM 2018
U will bet for hot pattern. When u track u will notice a pattern comes 3-4 times. Theoritically all pattern need to be formed in 24 spin while it doesnt happen. The last pattern becomes cold while others at least one getting hot.
While tracking u will get on pattern like this. For example
RBB. = 1 time
After couple of spin it repeats again
RBB=1,2 write down like this. Means this pattern appear 2 times.
Now wait for tracking other pattern and a time u will get RB . Then u will bet only for B to get another hot RBB pattern. Lose
Do the same and bet 1 unit again.
If u win for the first attempt bet 2 unit as 2 step parley to get another RBB pattern for the forth time. Normally in patter breaker track ing u get one pattern repaet 4 times
Looks good! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 10:53 PM 2018
U will bet for hot pattern. When u track u will notice a pattern comes 3-4 times. Theoritically all pattern need to be formed in 24 spin while it doesnt happen. The last pattern becomes cold while others at least one getting hot.
While tracking u will get on pattern like this. For example
RBB. = 1 time
After couple of spin it repeats again
RBB=1,2 write down like this. Means this pattern appear 2 times.
Now wait for tracking other pattern and a time u will get RB . Then u will bet only for B to get another hot RBB pattern. Lose
Do the same and bet 1 unit again.
If u win for the first attempt bet 2 unit as 2 step parley to get another RBB pattern for the forth time. Normally in patter breaker track ing u get one pattern repaet 4 times
Madi, play this at b&m casino make heaps of money. Play baccarat, not roulette - you know why.
HHH-1
LLL-1
HLH-1,2
LHL-1
HHL-
LLH-1
HLL-1
LHH-
Now u get HL. So bet for only H to be HLH for 3 times.
If it comes again before any time of the last pattern appear bet same way. There may be pattern rising up but wont be starting with HL. Change the pattern if other pattern rises up more than the existing one.
I like 2 step parley on a win.
Bombers can use marti.
Play all day and night. Bcz it will happen for sure.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 11:07 PM 2018
HHH-1
LLL-1
HLH-1,2
LHL-1
HHL-
LLH-1
HLL-1
LHH-
Now u get HL. So bet for only H to be HLH for 3 times.
If it comes again before any time of the last pattern appear bet same way. There may be pattern rising up but wont be starting with HL. Change the pattern if other pattern rises up more than the existing one.
I like 2 step parley on a win.
Bombers can use marti.
Play all day and night. Bcz it will happen for sure.
Madi, my respect to you. You are the 1st to post something that moved the needle further. That bolded part proves your confidence. Go play baccarat at b&m, make real money. Tell us your result to encourage others do the same. :thumbsup:
Sugtips, read Madi's post above.
I'll give it a try.
Thanks MADI!
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 11:07 PM 2018
HHH-1
LLL-1
HLH-1,2
LHL-1
HHL-
LLH-1
HLL-1
LHH-
Now u get HL. So bet for only H to be HLH for 3 times.
If it comes again before any time of the last pattern appear bet same way. There may be pattern rising up but wont be starting with HL. Change the pattern if other pattern rises up more than the existing one.
I like 2 step parley on a win.
Bombers can use marti.
Play all day and night. Bcz it will happen for sure.
Good work Madi. Betting FOR the pattern to repeat makes more sense than betting against the pattern. Most games produce repeating patterns. Although I had two ALMOST perfect games on Sunday. Both found the first 7 patterns in the minumum time possible 21 spins. Leaving me with that 8th pattern.
One of them won step 1 the other took me to the edge step 3. AND A ZERO HIT. Lol lucky for me I always cover the zero on the third step.
[quote author=sentinel3 link=topic=4655.msg190429#msg190429 date=1517979749
Although I had two ALMOST perfect games on Sunday. Both found the first 7 patterns in the minumum time possible 21 spins. Leaving me with that 8th pattern.
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U wont lose anything in that case bcz u r playing after two hits of a pattern
Quote from: Madi on Feb 07, 01:14 AM 2018
[quote author=sentinel3 link=topic=4655.msg190429#msg190429 date=1517979749
Although I had two ALMOST perfect games on Sunday. Both found the first 7 patterns in the minumum time possible 21 spins. Leaving me with that 8th pattern.
U wont lose anything in that case bcz u r playing after two hits of a pattern
Yes looks very good Madi. No doubt someone will say it cant work in the long run LMAO. There are winning systems all around. There just arent enough people who believe long term winning is possible. And that wont be changing anytime soon.
Play a thousand games Madi and give us your numbers. :smile:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 06, 05:19 PM 2018Ricky how do you play MV5?. I play MV7 these days in a 3 wide matrix. Yes the trigger takes longer. But in 714 games Ive never lost my 7 units 3 step progression. Like ive said a thousand times IF YOU CAN WAIT 🛑YOU WILL WIN🛑 The problem is forums are full of people who want a 5 minute 5 unit HG that never loses. And they still wouldnt be happy.
I just started playing MV5 after reading this forum and think it is a very good system which allows you to look for triggers and read whats happening with random. If this gives us an edge by not betting at certain times then I'll take it. I have played this system with my own progression to begin with but have now reviewed the 4 step 20 session play that has been documented here. I think it is a very smart money management approach where you have a positive and negative progression built in your play to maximize your return on a winning streak.
Next time I am at the casino I will try the following:
Levels Bet
SESSION 1
14+2=16 LEVEL 1 $10
16+2=18 LEVEL 1 $10
18+2=20 LEVEL 1 $10
20+2=22 LEVEL 1 $10
22+2=24--ADD 4 up to level 2 LEVEL 1 $10
SESSION 2
28+4=32 LEVEL 2 $20
32+4=36 LEVEL 2 $20
36+4=40 LEVEL 2 $20
40+4=44 LEVEL 2 $20
44+4=48--ADD 8 up to level 3 LEVEL 2 $20
SESSION 3
56+8=64 LEVEL 3 $40
64+8=72 LEVEL 3 $40
72+8=80 LEVEL 3 $40
80+8=88 LEVEL 3 $40
88+8=96--ADD 16 up to level 4 LEVEL 3 $40
SESSION 4
112+16=128 LEVEL 4 $80
128+16=144 LEVEL 4 $80
144+16=160 LEVEL 4 $80
160+16=176 LEVEL 4 $80
176+16=192 LEVEL 4 $80
This should net me $750 profit in 4 Sessions and 20 games. I will need to take into consideration recovery. If I cannot recover at any level then I will stop. But given the method we are using a recovery should allow us to continue to the end. As the MV5 is only a 2 step progression it should not be difficult to recover in the next two bets after a loss.
I will keep you posted if I make it. But if I do I will be a very happy gambler or should I say investor.
PS. My BOT is holding up the PB challenge. Now up to $9100+ from previous report. Hoping to hit $10K tonight.
regards
Ricky
Quote from: Madi on Feb 06, 05:59 PM 2018My question
Why only handfull of session? What magical things happen in first game? Why i cant play continiously? 22/1 is nothing. People having 150/0 . They play every spin continiously whenever they want not just a game at midnight after a dream.
Hi Madi,
I am new to this forum and had the same question as you but I liked the idea so I am testing it in long term play on EVERY spin of a live casino (test account but playing with others so no RNG) this provides us live conditions how this method performs after 100s or 1,000s of spins. My findings so far are it wins more times than it loses but like any method, given the right or wrong conditions, it will fail. The secret is how you recover when it does. As you can see from the graph there are some losses along the way but it does recover. As I type now the bot is actually in a losing streak. But I will see how it recovers. I will post that updated graph later. But here is the current one without the recent loss.
Regards,
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 07, 03:31 AM 2018
I just started playing MV5 after reading this forum and think it is a very good system which allows you to look for triggers and read whats happening with random. If this gives us an edge by not betting at certain times then I'll take it. I have played this system with my own progression to begin with but have now reviewed the 4 step 20 session play that has been documented here. I think it is a very smart money management approach where you have a positive and negative progression built in your play to maximize your return on a winning streak.
Next time I am at the casino I will try the following:
Levels Bet
SESSION 1
14+2=16 LEVEL 1 $10
16+2=18 LEVEL 1 $10
18+2=20 LEVEL 1 $10
20+2=22 LEVEL 1 $10
22+2=24--ADD 4 up to level 2 LEVEL 1 $10
SESSION 2
28+4=32 LEVEL 2 $20
32+4=36 LEVEL 2 $20
36+4=40 LEVEL 2 $20
40+4=44 LEVEL 2 $20
44+4=48--ADD 8 up to level 3 LEVEL 2 $20
SESSION 3
56+8=64 LEVEL 3 $40
64+8=72 LEVEL 3 $40
72+8=80 LEVEL 3 $40
80+8=88 LEVEL 3 $40
88+8=96--ADD 16 up to level 4 LEVEL 3 $40
SESSION 4
112+16=128 LEVEL 4 $80
128+16=144 LEVEL 4 $80
144+16=160 LEVEL 4 $80
160+16=176 LEVEL 4 $80
176+16=192 LEVEL 4 $80
This should net me $750 profit in 4 Sessions and 20 games. I will need to take into consideration recovery. If I cannot recover at any level then I will stop. But given the method we are using a recovery should allow us to continue to the end. As the MV5 is only a 2 step progression it should not be difficult to recover in the next two bets after a loss.
I will keep you posted if I make it. But if I do I will be a very happy gambler or should I say investor.
PS. My BOT is holding up the PB challenge. Now up to $9100+ from previous report. Hoping to hit $10K tonight.
regards
Ricky
Ricky I personally dont believe in bots. But if its holding up thats good. This PB has made me money consistently for the last 11 years of my life. I play no more than 10 games a day. And not once over 11 years and over 14,000 games has it even been under 7--1 its true odds. In fact never even under 8--1.
Its lowest ever holding was 9--1. But it settles nicely at 12 to 13--1. And under my revised rules is currently at a fabulous 15--1.
Not testing more spins then you will ever play in your life has no point to it
We all know how it goes.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 07, 03:31 AM 2018
I just started playing MV5 after reading this forum and think it is a very good system which allows you to look for triggers and read whats happening with random. If this gives us an edge by not betting at certain times then I'll take it. I have played this system with my own progression to begin with but have now reviewed the 4 step 20 session play that has been documented here. I think it is a very smart money management approach where you have a positive and negative progression built in your play to maximize your return on a winning streak.
Next time I am at the casino I will try the following:
Levels Bet
SESSION 1
14+2=16 LEVEL 1 $10
16+2=18 LEVEL 1 $10
18+2=20 LEVEL 1 $10
20+2=22 LEVEL 1 $10
22+2=24--ADD 4 up to level 2 LEVEL 1 $10
SESSION 2
28+4=32 LEVEL 2 $20
32+4=36 LEVEL 2 $20
36+4=40 LEVEL 2 $20
40+4=44 LEVEL 2 $20
44+4=48--ADD 8 up to level 3 LEVEL 2 $20
SESSION 3
56+8=64 LEVEL 3 $40
64+8=72 LEVEL 3 $40
72+8=80 LEVEL 3 $40
80+8=88 LEVEL 3 $40
88+8=96--ADD 16 up to level 4 LEVEL 3 $40
SESSION 4
112+16=128 LEVEL 4 $80
128+16=144 LEVEL 4 $80
144+16=160 LEVEL 4 $80
160+16=176 LEVEL 4 $80
176+16=192 LEVEL 4 $80
This should net me $750 profit in 4 Sessions and 20 games. I will need to take into consideration recovery. If I cannot recover at any level then I will stop. But given the method we are using a recovery should allow us to continue to the end. As the MV5 is only a 2 step progression it should not be difficult to recover in the next two bets after a loss.
I will keep you posted if I make it. But if I do I will be a very happy gambler or should I say investor.
PS. My BOT is holding up the PB challenge. Now up to $9100+ from previous report. Hoping to hit $10K tonight.
regards
Ricky
MV5 is good. But MV7 is much stronger. Its never lost a three step prog in 714 games.
The triggers can take a long time though. But a holy grail cannot be rushed. I will publish the rules for it soon on here.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 05:36 AM 2018
Not testing more spins then you will ever play in your life has no point to it
We all know how it goes.
The point is u dont know which sequence u will face. Its might be 10 million + 100. Read the book fully bcz u dont know from where the question will arrive. Very simple
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 07, 12:02 AM 2018Lol lucky for me I always cover the zero on the third step.
That's the smart way to play. You don't get 1:1 on E/C but you do cover yourself for the inevitable and pocket 35:1 - E/C bet. In my opinion this turns the edge back to the player as the wheel has nowhere else to go to beat you but to make a pattern you are betting against.
To summarize what we are doing here with PB and other similar methods we are challenging the casino to generate a certain sequence on queue when we have observed that they have not been able to do it in recent spins. This is the only way to beat the game and covering zero eliminates the house edge and, sized correctly, pays us a hansom bonus.
Regards,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 07, 06:54 AM 2018
That's the smart way to play. You don't get 1:1 on E/C but you do cover yourself for the inevitable and pocket 35:1 - E/C3 bet. In my opinion this turns the edge back to the player as the wheel has nowhere else to go to beat you but to make a pattern you are betting against.
To summarize what we are doing here with PB and other similar methods we are challenging the casino to generate a certain sequence on queue when we have observed that they have not been able to do it in recent spins. This is the only way to beat the game and covering zero eliminates the house edge and, sized correctly, pays us a hansom bonus.
Regards,
Ricky
Well done Ricky thats it in a nutshell. Its refreshing to see someone who gets the whole concept.
When I created the system in 2007. It was from that very observation. That random struggled when put on the spot. And its been struggling ever since to my benefit.
If only more could grasp this...
Quote from: cht on Feb 06, 11:13 PM 2018Quote from: Madi on Today at 07:07:51
HHH-1
LLL-1
HLH-1,2
LHL-1
HHL-
LLH-1
HLL-1
LHH-
Now u get HL. So bet for only H to be HLH for 3 times.
If it comes again before any time of the last pattern appear bet same way. There may be pattern rising up but wont be starting with HL. Change the pattern if other pattern rises up more than the existing one.
I like 2 step parley on a win.
Bombers can use marti.
Play all day and night. Bcz it will happen for sure.
Madi, my respect to you. You are the 1st to post something that moved the needle further. That bolded part proves your confidence. Go play baccarat at b&m, make real money. Tell us your result to encourage others do the same.
Sugtips, read Madi's post above.
Thank you Madi and sir cht.
I am following it by heart.
Thanks
Once you get a bet opportunity on PB what’s the ratio on 0
Meaning if you bet using 1,2,4 what would you place on zero
Today is a frustrating day for me. >:( >:( >:(
I placed bet then the machine went offline push my bets back. Shiiittt the bets won. Complain to pitboss, he says this is due to the games technical problem. Seriouly fark him!!! Report made to upper management - I don't expect anything positive - winners robbed. >:( >:( >:(
Daily target not met - 40% :(
Cht, airball?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 07:50 AM 2018
Cht, airball?
Baccarat electronic table game.
Happened twice today !!! >:(
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 07:13 AM 2018
Once you get a bet opportunity on PB what’s the ratio on 0
Meaning if you bet using 1,2,4 what would you place on zero
It depends RG. If you are only covering the third step like me.
It would go like this
10--20--43--ZER0--3
I treat the zero as a little bonus bet. Its hit 37 times on that third step over the years.
Other than that, how is this method holding up on baccarat? Good?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 07, 08:12 AM 2018
It depends RG. If you are only covering the third step like me.
It would go like this
10--20--43--ZER0--3
I treat the zero as a little bonus bet. Its hit 37 times on that third step over the years.
So 1 2 4 like normal stop on a win
And if it gets to third step add 3 units on 0
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 08:23 AM 2018
Other than that, how is this method holding up on baccarat? Good?
JL PB i can't comment.
I play similar with Andre/Madi pattern.
If I didn't have the problem and wasted time submitting complain report, I have 3 losses but I will still hit my daily profit target. Today it's 40% - the 100% win streak is broken. :(
Madi's strategy is solid, take a look.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 08:24 AM 2018
So 1 2 4 like normal stop on a win
And if it gets to third step add 3 units on 0
Well that depends on your level RG. I you are only playing 1-2-4 you would play the third step 5 and 1 on the zero.
This be good bet if want to cover the zero on all 3 steps.
3, (0.50 on zero). Win +2.50
6, (0.50 on zero). Win +2
12 (0.50 on zero). Win 1.50
But if zero does hit on 3rd step. You be at a loss -3u
My first bet of the day and $50 in my wallet!
LHH
LHH
LHH
LH Bet L - win first step of the progression 50, 100, 200
Easy like Sunday morning
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 07, 12:22 PM 2018
My first bet of the day and $50 in my wallet!
LHH
LHH
LHH
LH Bet L - win first step of the progression 50, 100, 200
Easy like Sunday morning
Congrats Andre :d
@all: Can we get a tracker for this?
So we got 130 pages of the gamblers fallacy now :yawn:
So to sum things up....some will win coz they lucky and most will lose (just as a marty or whatever does)
One more thing....that waiting , trigger or what you call it.....YOU THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE? The longer we wait...the less games we play...the harder it is to recover a loss streak (Yes that will happen)
Enjoy the ride while it lasts
Quit while ahead
:thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Feb 07, 12:46 PM 2018
So we got 130 pages of the gamblers fallacy now :yawn:
So to sum things up....some will win coz they lucky and most will lose (just as a marty or whatever does)
One more thing....that waiting , trigger or what you call it.....YOU THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE? The longer we wait...the less games we play...the harder it is to recover a loss streak (Yes that will happen)
Enjoy the ride while it lasts
Quit while ahead
:thumbsup:
Denzie the ride will last for as long as im on it.. Theres no fallacy here. PB sets random a puzzle it struggles to solve more than once out of every 15 attempts on average. Whether you want to accept that or not is your business.
I will keep enjoying the money its making me. While you keep assuming you know what will be. There is NO LOSING STREAK.
You have a modest 7 units at risk. You will lose it once in a while. Then make back double. You need to open your mind and stop being so negative...
7 unit risk is nothing
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
I like the idea of $100 units and do it once a day
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 07, 12:32 PM 2018
Congrats Andre :d
@all: Can we get a tracker for this?
Thanks!
We don't need a tracker. You track the 3 ECs and decide the way of betting.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 03:45 PM 2018
7 unit risk is nothing
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
I like the idea of $100 units and do it once a day
I like hit and run style betting once a day.
I still think betting once a day we avoid the variance.
Imho
[quote author=denzie link=topic=4655.msg190469#msg190469 date=1518025589
One more thing....that waiting , trigger or what you call it.....YOU THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE? The longer we wait...the less games we play...the harder it is to recover a loss streak
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When you play WTF/KTF, repeaters, non-hit, you have to wait and bet when the conditions are favorable.
That's a trigger and a waiting game too.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 07, 12:46 PM 2018
So we got 130 pages of the gamblers fallacy now :yawn:
So to sum things up....some will win coz they lucky and most will lose (just as a marty or whatever does)
One more thing....that waiting , trigger or what you call it.....YOU THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE? The longer we wait...the less games we play...the harder it is to recover a loss streak (Yes that will happen)
Enjoy the ride while it lasts
Quit while ahead
:thumbsup:
So PB is dead in the water for years.............and then magically resurrected by 2 new members who join in 2017?
A system that started as trolling..............now wins consistently?
Maybe it's legit...........but man does this look bad. :sad2:
Trigger and waiting 2 different things. Bit of waiting not that bad i believe. What he means is nothing before the game. Once u start like in between start and finish u can do whatever u want. Personally I bet from first spin to last spin every spin reason a number can repeat 4 -5times back to back showing the middle finger to the statistical average.
The idea is to bet when the conditions are right.
Example, when is it most likely to rain ?
When there are dark clouds in the sky.
Where does it rain ?
The area below the dark clouds.
That's why I said from the beginning you must know what pattern to bet and when to bet them. This knowledge is based on math statistics, that means the study of the frequency distribution reveals that.
As I said earlier, this method works on all ECs - roulette, baccarat and sicbo, it is universal because math statistics does not choose the game played. The only difference is the house edge of the various games.
Can someone competent at rx code carry out a test of Madi's method to confirm there's an edge pls ? TQ
Anyway, when this method is played optimally the edge is overwhelming that's how good it is.
And pls don't use the word hg - we don't want to attract unnecessary challenges and/or criticisms. Just make real money at b&m casino. Playing online live dealer is a waste imho.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 07, 12:32 PM 2018
Congrats Andre :d
@all: Can we get a tracker for this?
My partner and I track with pen and paper 30-40 baccarat shoes a day on etg 1min per hand. We track 2shoes at a time on rolling basis - same as the excel sheet earlier.
It's daunting to the beginner but with practice you will learn how to do this. I must say it's physically very tiring hunting the ideal etgs and mentally taxing.
The benefit is no computer is used. Just pen and paper supplied by the casino. The dealers and pitboss love you while laughing their asses at you and you play the game as the dumb rookish gambler playing some voodish method that you won because of your good LUCK. Everybody is happy, just the way you want it, perfect.
So, learn to do it with pen and paper.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 07, 12:46 PM 2018
So we got 130 pages of the gamblers fallacy now :yawn:
So to sum things up....some will win coz they lucky and most will lose (just as a marty or whatever does)
One more thing....that waiting , trigger or what you call it.....YOU THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE? The longer we wait...the less games we play...the harder it is to recover a loss streak (Yes that will happen)
Enjoy the ride while it lasts
Quit while ahead
:thumbsup:
Denzie, Madi's method deserves your time to test it to come to a conclusion. Do that test mate.
The only difference is the house edge of the various games.
House edge wont be a big issue. Rather than place a bet on EC just bet 19 number . Just a two step parley or whatever u like. Camon all can afford that i believe. Case close
Quote from: Madi on Feb 07, 07:19 PM 2018
The only difference is the house edge of the various games.
House edge wont be a big issue. Rather than place a bet on EC just bet 19 number . Just a two step parley or whatever u like. Camon all can afford that i believe. Case close
Problem with betting 19numbers is you will make mistakes under pressure to complete all 19numbers inside the betting window - that's the practical issue.
I pointed out earlier that the practical aspect is the most difficult for all methods of play at b&m casino.
Why ?
Because the casino created those barriers and obstacles to stop us from winning. So, we have to think how to get around those barriers and obstacles.
Then can do 3 unit( 1 on 0 , 2 on ec). If win put 4 unit in same way
Quote from: Madi on Feb 07, 07:28 PM 2018
Then can do 3 unit( 1 on 0 , 2 on ec). If win put 4 unit in same way
sentinel and you have proposed this way to deal with the green zero.
Do you realise that the payout math has changed drastically ?
I don't want to sound negative. I just want you to review your bet sizing, I posted about bet sizing earlier.
You have a good method. Extract the best out of it. Don't distort it else you lose your edge.
Positive wont make any issue for 0. For those who like negative progression can use a stepping progression which i dont like.
One unit on 0 every time with
2-5-12 but can b bit costly
Quote from: Madi on Feb 07, 07:39 PM 2018
Positive wont make any issue for 0. For those who like negative progression can use a stepping progression which i dont like.
One unit on 0 every time with
2-5-12 but can b bit costly
Exactly. :thumbsup:
For those who believe in hit and run approach, it can work if you bet at the exact point when the frequency distribution falls off sharply from the bell curve peak.
Question - have you plotted this distribution to tell you where exactly is this sharp fall off point ?
This is what I mean by betting the method optimally. The bet sizing is designed to capture this optimum point.
As I said earlier, EVERY DETAIL has to be studied based on math statistics.
I believe I have revealed how I double my br every playing day.
Quote from: cht on Feb 07, 07:46 PM 2018
For those who believe in hit and run .
:thumbsup:
For money management, ego posted it on the Moneymanagement thread.
Alrelax of betselection who plays baccarat use this MM rule.
Quote from: ego on Feb 07, 01:07 PM 2018
I would use John Patrick's money management methodology or Brett Morton - if you search forum you should find topics about them.
If not spend your 40 to buy books from both, see it as future investment.
Problem is that most players don't do what the suppose to do.
Take 3K bankroll - then you split the 3K bankroll into three parts and bring one to the casino, that is 1K.
Now you decide how much to risk for each game, lets say 200 and give you 5 games.
But we are not done yet, you need to sett loss limit and win target, so assume you have 50% loss limit, that means you can only play and touch 100 for your session and this size determine what kind of unit size you should play.
The good news is that you will go home with 500 if you lose all 5 sessions.
Now if you bet using 10 you will get 10 bets down, if you use 5 minimum you get 20 bets down, if you use 1 you get 100 bets down.
So if you flat betting you can use 10 or lower bets and if you are going to use a progression you end up having a base bet around 1.
That would probably mean you can not play ordinary wheels with to high minimum size, so you have to do with air ball machine.
Do you see the reality most members missing - your base bet would be 10$ or 1$ with 3000$ bankroll.
This is the difference between fact and fiction systems on this forum, most system use progressions with very much money at risk where you would need 10,000 to 30.000$ bankroll to play, if you are going to follow money management rules.
For those who believe in hit and run...
Since Andre suggests playing once a day to avoid
variance, how about designating an exact time to play?
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Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 07, 11:11 PM 2018
For those who believe in hit and run...
Since Andre suggests playing once a day to avoid
variance, how about designating an exact time to play?
Well proof I play my first game of the day for PB between 3am and 6am everyday. So far this year my strikerate is 38 wins 1 loss. There is no variance on a game thats over in a max of three spins. Random entry into the cycle Has to have some value.
OTHERWISE, my overall strikerate for PB would hold over 20--1 overall. But it only does for that solitary game I play on its own each morning. As I sip a cup of rosey lee.
If I study where more of my losses come proof. They come from the third game on in a day. In other words. The more often I put my hand in pit of snakes. The more likely I am to get bitten. My results over 11 years prove this fact.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 07, 11:27 PM 2018
Well proof I play my first game of the day for PB between 3am and 6am everyday. So far this year my strikerate is 38 wins 1 loss. There is no variance on a game thats over in a max of three spins. Random entry into the cycle Has to have some value.
OTHERWISE, my overall strikerate for PB would hold over 20--1 overall. But it only does for that solitary game I play on its own each morning. As I sip a cup of rosey lee.
If I study where more of my losses come proof. They come from the third game on in a day. In other words. The more often I put my hand in pit of snakes. The more likely I am to get bitten. My results over 11 years prove this fact.
Alright, that said there must be other factors involved than just playing the system
Like a favorite dealer (or at least a dealer that spins a certain way).
Where you play is a factor (online or at a b&m)
Do the dealers change every 30 minutes or change more
frequently and does it affect the hit-rate when there is a dealer change.
How much time does it take between spins.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 07, 11:50 PM 2018
Alright, that said there must be other factors involved than just playing the system
Like a favorite dealer (or at least a dealer that spins a certain way).
Where you play is a factor (online or at a b&m)
Do the dealers change every 30 minutes or change more
frequently and does it affect the hit-rate when there is a dealer change.
How much time does it take between spins.
Okay points of repitition. My first game is ALWAYS played at Ladbrokes online casino..The dealer isnt a factor. Theyre nearly always different. The only 3 things that remain the same are.
FIRST GAME PLAYED 3--6AM
FIRST GAME PLAYED AT LADBROKES
ALWAYS COUNT BACK 10 NUMBERS ON THE NUMBER BOARD.
Theres no gap between those 1-3 three spins to win or lose a game proof. Once that 8th pattern qualifies. ALWAYS INSIDE 50 SPINS now that im tracking all three chances.
You go against it immediately. Most of my wins come in the first two spins proof. So for example this year.
Spin 1=19
Spin 2=12
Spin 3=07
Lost=01
Thats the breakdown of game one this year so far...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 08, 12:16 AM 2018
Okay points of repitition. My first game is ALWAYS played at Ladbrokes online casino..The dealer isnt a factor. Theyre nearly always different. The only 3 things that remain the same are.
FIRST GAME PLAYED 3--6AM
FIRST GAME PLAYED AT LADBROKES
ALWAYS COUNT BACK 10 NUMBERS ON THE NUMBER BOARD.
Theres no gap between those 1-3 three spins to win or lose a game proof. Once that 8th pattern qualifies. ALWAYS INSIDE 50 SPINS now that im tracking all three chances.
You go against it immediately. Most of my wins come in the first two spins proof. So for example this year.
Spin 1=19
Spin 2=12
Spin 3=07
Lost=01
Thats the breakdown of game one this year so far...
Read my post #1893 for optimal bet sizing.
Quote from: cht on Feb 07, 07:09 PM 2018
My partner and I track with pen and paper 30-40 baccarat shoes a day on etg 1min per hand. We track 2shoes at a time on rolling basis - same as the excel sheet earlier.
It's daunting to the beginner but with practice you will learn how to do this. I must say it's physically very tiring hunting the ideal etgs and mentally taxing.
The benefit is no computer is used. Just pen and paper supplied by the casino. The dealers and pitboss love you while laughing their asses at you and you play the game as the dumb rookish gambler playing some voodish method that you won because of your good LUCK. Everybody is happy, just the way you want it, perfect.
So, learn to do it with pen and paper.
I've been at this for 10 years full-time and
examined virtually every system on every known board.
I study patterns the wheels make
and record my findings in
Notepad.
It is only up until now there have been users dedicated
to finding a workable system instead of disrupting study.
I am open to new ideas.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 12:41 AM 2018
I've been at this for 10 years full-time and
examined virtually every system on every known board.
I study patterns the wheels make
and record my findings in Notepad.
It is only up until now there have been users dedicated
to finding a workable system instead of disrupting study.
I am open to new ideas.
Proofreaders, take a look at sentinels results (bolded), how will you modify this original 1/2/4 bet to a more optimal bet ?
sentinel or anyone ?
Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 12:51 AM 2018
Proofreaders, take a look at sentinels results (bolded), how will you modify this original 1/2/4 bet to a more optimal bet ?
sentinel or anyone ?
Tbh I love Madi's variant, eliminating the progression.
Sentinel3 has very strong results so why change anything?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 01:21 AM 2018
Tbh I love Madi's variant, eliminating the progression.
Sentinel3 has very strong results so why change anything?
It can be improved.
Whoever can improve this current bets he will have learnt about bet sizing.
Anyone ?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 01:21 AM 2018
Tbh I love Madi's variant, eliminating the progression.
Sentinel3 has very strong results so why change anything?
Madi has added another dimension to the pattern breaker saga.
The reason I dont stray from the original is because its served me so well. Especially that first game.
In 2013 it lost only 13 times out of 365 days. I mean come on. How am I going to turn my back on that. Thats a strikerate of 27--1 for that year. When im supposed to be getting 7--1.
See maths can not and does not explain anything when it comes to this game called roulette. Whats on PAPER. And what ACTUALLY HAPPENS are two different things. :smile:
This tells me people on this forum and other forums as well don't properly understand math and statistics.
It also mean a lot more of what I posted is not properly understood.
Never mind, moving on.
What u after? Kellys eqation?
Quote from: Madi on Feb 08, 02:10 AM 2018
What u after? Kellys eqation?
Look at sentinel result(bolded).
Post #1959
Can his current 1/2/4 bet be improved ?
Sorry as i m using phone cant see the post number. But what i understand as long as u use marti u cant do bet sizing.ye by using average and statistical data can get bit more advantage. Actually i dont play it but u said u play it for baccarat. Why dont u put some statistucal data.
Or make the marti
4-2-1 . Funny
Quote from: Madi on Feb 08, 02:36 AM 2018
Sorry as i m using phone cant see the post number. But what i understand as long as u use marti u cant do bet sizing.ye by using average and statistical data can get bit more advantage. Actually i dont play it but u said u play it for baccarat. Why dont u put some statistucal data.
Congrats Madi, I expect you to get it corrrect. :thumbsup:
To be clear, I don't play JL PB.
sentinel is the appropriate person to provide this info.
About kelly eqtn, you will agree with me it's not suitable to discuss that for now.
Quote from: cht on Feb 07, 07:16 PM 2018
Denzie, Madi's method deserves your time to test it to come to a conclusion. Do that test mate.
RRB
RRB
RR. Now bet for B to come? 1 unit.
If R or 0 comes we wait RR and bet 1unit again ?
If B comes , next RR we bet 2 units on B ? Win or lose reset.
I got it right ?
Quote from: denzie on Feb 08, 08:10 AM 2018
RRB
RRB
RR. Now bet for B to come? 1 unit.
If R or 0 comes we wait RR and bet 1unit again ?
If B comes , next RR we bet 2 units on B ? Win or lose reset.
I got it right ?
Not 100% sure but I think it's correct.
Update - 75% of br, another tough day
Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 08:24 AM 2018
Not 100% sure but I think it's correct.
Update - 75% of br, another tough day
A parlay is good on systems with a high win rate. :thumbsup:
So yeah on bacc would be best if we play even chances. No doubt.
Uhm what is it that you playing cht? Not sure if i can find your method on all these pages.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 08, 08:34 AM 2018
A parlay is good on systems with a high win rate. :thumbsup:
So yeah on bacc would be best if we play even chances. No doubt.
Uhm what is it that you playing cht? Not sure if i can find your method on all these pages.
My method is pretty simple that I play on etg baccarat.
When B P P comes, I wait for B P P to come again then if the next hand shows B I bet against P P for 2hands 1unit each.
I have a long list of when I decide to bet or not bet based on the historical data collected from my b&m casino over the years. So, I don't bet on all setups only those qualified setups.
My test showed good results and my current sessions are also good - same as the test results.
But when I do it, it's very tiring. And now I face an additional problem - one of the etg is faulty, the terminals keep going offline from the server now the game rate is lower.
Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 02:18 AM 2018
Look at sentinel result(bolded).
Post #1959
Can his current 1/2/4 bet be improved ?
It can always be improved CHT. Dr Sudoku only plays the first two steps of the prog. And has a 12-1 strike rate doing so. So he is quadrupling his losses.
I dont stray from 1 2 4 for this reason.
I keep trying to get across the first game of the day is where I make my money. Its consistency has no equal in roulette. Nobody can show me another 7 unit risk system that can run at 27/1 for an entire year. No one.
Thats why I am now betting 4 times as much on that first game. As the ones that follow it.
Its a phenom that must be exploited. And now that ive improved my strikerate overall..I cant even imagine what that first game might produce.
I won a 100 plus days in a row twice over the last 11 years just playing HL.
With random now selecting the bet i could have years where it only loses 9 or 10 times in the entire year.
Then what are any of you gonna say. Its just luck. Like f##k it is. Im currently 38--1 for the year. The best start to a year ever.
It scares even me to think what might now be possible with that first game. If I reach december 31st having only lost 10 games. It will not surprise me.
:ooh:
I was trying to help you optimise your current marty 1/2/4 bet. I was not questioning your PB method.
Lets go into the details -
1st spin - 19 wins
2nd spin - 12 wins
3rd spin - 7 wins
1loss
Total game played 39 games.
For the 1st spin bet you won 19 games and loss 20 games. You betted 1unit - you loss 1unit in total
For the 2nd spin bet you won 12 games and loss 8 games. You betted 2units - you won 8units in total.
For the 3rd spin bet you won 7 games and loss 1game. You betted 4units - you won 24 units.
That's the breakdown how you won your 31 units. Mostly on the 3rd spin due to the higher bet size and higher winrate.
If this frequency distribution holds over the long term large sample size, it makes math sense to bet 1unit for both 2nd and 3rd spin after a virtual loss in the 1st spin. If the frequency distribution is skewed towards 2nd and 3rd spin then your current 1st spin bet is losing money.
You can make a test based on the 11yrs games that you played. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Find out based on actual games you played.
Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 09:42 AM 2018
I was trying to help you optimise your current marty 1/2/4 bet. I was not questioning your PB method.
Lets go into the details -
1st spin - 19 wins
2nd spin - 12 wins
3rd spin - 7 wins
1loss
Total game played 39 games.
For the 1st spin bet you won 19 games and loss 20 games. You betted 1unit - you loss 1unit in total
For the 2nd spin bet you won 12 games and loss 8 games. You betted 2units - you won 8units in total.
For the 3rd spin bet you won 7 games and loss 1game. You betted 4units - you won 24 units.
That's the breakdown how you won your 31 units[risking 7units per game]. Mostly on the 3rd spin due to the higher bet size and higher winrate.
If this frequency distribution holds over the long term large sample size, it makes math sense to bet 1unit for both 2nd and 3rd spin after a virtual loss in the 1st spin [risking 2units]. If the frequency distribution is skewed towards 2nd and 3rd spin then your current 1st spin bet is losing money.
You can make a test based on the 11yrs games that you played. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Find out based on actual games you played.
Based on DoctorSudoku method -
For the 1st spin bet you won 19 games and loss 20 games. You betted 1unit - you loss 1unit in total
For the 2nd spin bet you won 12 games and loss 8 games. You betted 2units - you won 8units in total
Total win is 7units risking 3units playing 39games.
Based on playing on game, ie. the first spin -
For the 1st spin bet you won 19 games and loss 20 games.
Total loss of 1unit risking 1unit after playing 39games.
Hello Sentinel, I have a question. You advice to play around 10 sessions a day, what if we loose one of the sessions, how many do we have to win in order to recover the previous loss (7 units) ? Do you continue to play if you loose a session until you recover or do you take the loss for the day?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 08, 09:21 AM 2018
It can always be improved CHT. Dr Sudoku only plays the first two steps of the prog. And has a 12-1 strike rate doing so. So he is quadrupling his losses.
I dont stray from 1 2 4 for this reason.
I keep trying to get across the first game of the day is where I make my money. Its consistency has no equal in roulette. Nobody can show me another 7 unit risk system that can run at 27/1 for an entire year. No one.
Tbh, I do better, much better.
BUT we make money, not compete against each other. :)
Thats why I am now betting 4 times as much on that first game. As the ones that follow it.
Its a phenom that must be exploited. And now that ive improved my strikerate overall..I cant even imagine what that first game might produce.
I won a 100 plus days in a row twice over the last 11 years just playing HL.
With random now selecting the bet i could have years where it only loses 9 or 10 times in the entire year.
Then what are any of you gonna say. Its just luck. Like f##k it is. Im currently 38--1 for the year. The best start to a year ever.
It scares even me to think what might now be possible with that first game. If I reach december 31st having only lost 10 games. It will not surprise me.
:ooh:
Do you realise that your 1st game of the day is different from other peoples 1st game of the day who live in different timezones ?
It's better you provide the exact time in gmt when you play your 1st game of the day and which online live dealer casino you play at in order for others to replicate your result.
Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 10:25 AM 2018
Do you realise that your 1st game of the day is different from other peoples 1st game of the day who live in different timezones ?
It's better you provide the exact time in gmt when you play your 1st game of the day and which online live dealer casino you play at in order for others to replicate your result.
CHT I play it at Ladbrokes online casino between 3am and 6am GMT...
That should not be too negative.
I carried out some tests
I just like to know why something can work, and why not something.
I played 1000 spins with Andre Chass with an idea, i.e. I played against two paterns using 1-1-3 progression.
What I noticed was that for the first 500 spins I was on the plus side of 17 units, then in the course of 100 spins a few lossing progressions, the next 300 spins climbing on the plus and the next 100 spins lost again.
I ended the end of the game with +6 units, but the tests were carried out on a wheel without a zero.
What is the theory behind this?
The losses occur in a large extent in clusters, which is why there is a good chance that we will end up in a longer period in which roulette will not adapt to our rare pattern.
An example is CHT which uses rare patern and win periods are longer than losing clusters.
In a way, this would confirm the possibility of hitnrun strategy to avoid variance.
But in a very long time it may not keep up, because sometimes we should hit the clusters periods.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 08, 12:00 PM 2018
That should not be too negative.
I carried out some tests
I just like to know why something can work, and why not something.
I played 1000 spins with Andre Chass with an idea, i.e. I played against two paterns using 1-1-3 progression.
What I noticed was that for the first 500 spins I was on the plus side of 17 units, then in the course of 100 spins a few lossing progressions, the next 300 spins climbing on the plus and the next 100 spins lost again.
I ended the end of the game with +6 units, but the tests were carried out on a wheel without a zero.
What is the theory behind this?
The losses occur in a large extent in clusters, which is why there is a good chance that we will end up in a longer period in which roulette will not adapt to our rare pattern.
An example is CHT which uses rare patern and win periods are longer than losing clusters.
In a way, this would confirm the possibility of hitnrun strategy to avoid variance.
But in a very long time it may not keep up, because sometimes we should hit the clusters periods.
It doesnt work like that in my experience. And now that random itself is selecting the bet for me its even less likely to happen.
What is a very long time. How many games must be played before you understand. A winning system wins for alltime.
There will be less successful PERIODS. But overall the strikerate is ALWAYS in the positive.
Theres never a time it isnt. So if you never ever go below BREAK EVEN LEVEL 7--1. How do you ever lose money?
LIke I said before I dont want to hear from anyone who plays 20 games and loses 3 or 4 times. When youve played 200 games at least exactly as I instruct. Then we can have a conversation.
People have to put some WORK IN for themselves...
You do not understand one thing
Play PB without stops for 10k spins, how do you think what the result will be?
Some samples of 10k spins will be positive, some negative, but in the long run PB does not persist, moreover you know about it because you played it on the rng without a break.
I am trying to determine what is happening in your game and draw conclusions.
Why it works
I think PB is not much to talk about here, it's just a search strategy that uses rare paterns and that's what we're looking for, a strategy with rare paterns.
Where roulette needs time to adapt to the rare cluster of paterns.And we got longer winning periods of time, than lossing cycle.
I try to go further, if hit n run works and rare patterns, I'm also wondering how far the edge is.
A very good technique is playing CHT, where the game is flat with a set Target profit and stoploss, which is not bigger than 12 units.
Ozon right on the money. As i said...for some it will win but for MOST its a loser. Wish i was wrong but im not :-\
Quote from: ozon on Feb 08, 01:00 PM 2018
You do not understand one thing
Play PB without stops for 10k spins, how do you think what the result will be?
Some samples of 10k spins will be positive, some negative, but in the long run PB does not persist, moreover you know about it because you played it on the rng without a break.
I am trying to determine what is happening in your game and draw conclusions.
Why it works
I think PB is not much to talk about here, it's just a search strategy that uses rare paterns and that's what we're looking for, a strategy with rare paterns.
Where roulette needs time to adapt to the rare cluster of paterns.And we got longer winning periods of time, than lossing cycle.
I try to go further, if hit n run works and rare patterns, I'm also wondering how far the edge is.
A very good technique is playing CHT, where the game is flat with a set Target profit and stoploss, which is not bigger than 12 units.
Ozon you are not understanding how to apply PB.
Nobody sits there and plays 10k spins.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 08, 01:10 PM 2018
Ozon right on the money. As i said...for some it will win but for MOST its a loser. Wish i was wrong but im not :-\
You are wrong. Maybe everyone needs to play exactly as I do. In terms of time. Casino and number of games a day. Then we will see.
If im winning with this thing for 11 years an counting its a winning system period.
You are the classic excuse maker Denzie. Too lazy to give something a proper go. You will play 20 games lose 3 or 4 then dismiss for alltime.
Denzie, you're right, certainly a lot of people will lose money because they will go on lossing clusters.
This is certainly not a mathematical edge and it is not measurable by percentage, for everyone it will be different.
I still think that any strategy hitnrun will survive more than 10k triggers, I will be positively surprised
Sentinel , I remember days were i played 5k spins sessions on BV rng casino
But this concept from hitnrun and rare pattern will never work on rng software
Do not even try.
If something is in this concept , it only work for live tables.
Works for me and lots of others.
It works because we 8 patterns and the wheel has to close the 7th and 8th pattern in 6 spins one after the other. It only does this ones per every 12 wins.
It has streaks to parley bet on.
Also hardly ever has back to back losses during the same session on that particular EC.
ill be grinding it anyway knowing it wont give +1000u every week playing at £1 stakes. But ill try work my way up the stakes.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 08, 01:21 PM 2018
Denzie, you're right, certainly a lot of people will lose money because they will go on lossing clusters.
This is certainly not a mathematical edge and it is not measurable by percentage, for everyone it will be different.
I still think that any strategy hitnrun will survive more than 10k triggers, I will be positively surprised
Sentinel , I remember days were i played 5k spins sessions on BV rng casino
Then you cant be helped. I played 3 games of pattern breaker today. ON A REAL WHEEL. They all won. I played. 4 games yesterday. They all won. I played 6 games tuesday they all won. Etc.
I didnt play 5k spins on something that is not even real roulette.
Im not sure you can understand whats being said here and thats part of the problem.
Until you understand that BV rng has nothing to do with REAL ROULETTE. You will stay in the dark.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 08, 01:32 PM 2018
But this concept from hitnrun and rare pattern will never work on rng software
Do not even try.
If something is in this concept , it only work for live tables.
Again only a fool even thinks about playing an RNG. Its false roulette and always will be.
Your target profit is make $30 a day?! Play hit and run style for 3 games using progression 10, 20, 40. You will need to figure out when the conditions are favorable to bet.
If you play all day long you will lose for sure.
You have to avoid the variance.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 03:57 PM 2018
Your target profit is make $30 a day?! Play hit and run style for 3 games using progression 10, 20, 40. You will need to figure out when the conditions are favorable to bet.
If you play all day long you will lose for sure.
You have to avoid the variance.
On that we can agree.
Anyone playing all day unless its a system like MV7 will lose for certain.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 03:57 PM 2018
You have to avoid the variance.
:yawn:
If you can do that.... your rich within a year :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 07:13 AM 2018Once you get a bet opportunity on PB what’s the ratio on 0
I am using the following progression
6,1
18,1
40,3
So if Zero hits I win the following:
Bet 1: 36-6=$30
Bet 2: 36-18-7=$11
Bet 3: 108-36-18-7-1 = $6
The truth is that it is very difficult to beat roulette. It's a hell of a game. Do not be fooled by this strategy. If it were easy to make lots of money JL would not be here in this forum. He would be in some paradise enjoying life.
I built my own strategy betting repeats however I have to work like a dog to make some profit.
I believe JL can make some profit using this strategy but getting rich is another story.
If I could go back in time I would never want to have known the Devil's game.
Get out while there's time. You can go crazy or lose all your savings.
My advice for the new members.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 05:08 PM 2018Get out while there's time. You can go crazy or lose all your savings.
My advice for the new members.
Well if a new member is starting out, use this sheet to record the spins
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/08/temp_323341.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G6dGx)
Heres a game from dont know when, but you can see the non-hits came fast
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/08/temp_771435.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G6CMK)
use countback, 1st 10 spins, 9/10 so 9+15=24 so could see 24 of the starting 37 come by spin 39/40
Heres the answer 23 non-hit came so -1 on the expected 15 non-hits in spins 11-40
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/08/temp_344821.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G6DLB)
So 23rd is in at spin 31; 8 to 9 spins early, so dont you think repeats are DUE
Quote from: ozon on Feb 08, 01:00 PM 2018
You do not understand one thing
Play PB without stops for 10k spins, how do you think what the result will be?
Some samples of 10k spins will be positive, some negative, but in the long run PB does not persist, moreover you know about it because you played it on the rng without a break.
I am trying to determine what is happening in your game and draw conclusions.
Why it works
I think PB is not much to talk about here, it's just a search strategy that uses rare paterns and that's what we're looking for, a strategy with rare paterns.
Where roulette needs time to adapt to the rare cluster of paterns.And we got longer winning periods of time, than lossing cycle.
I try to go further, if hit n run works and rare patterns, I'm also wondering how far the edge is.
A very good technique is playing CHT, where the game is flat with a set Target profit and stoploss, which is not bigger than 12 units.
My bet is as I decribed it in response to denzie's question earlier. I don't bet against P P P or B B B.
I choose to bet virtual loss/1unit/1unit risking 2units because from my test the frequency distribution showed that the 1st spin/hand is a loser in the long run, the winners is slightly skewed towards the 2nd spin/hand.
If the game is played for ALL setups there is no edge, the result showed clusters of wins and losses that even out itlr - no surprise there.
What I did was to eliminate conditions that losing clusters are more likely to occur. I use my playing experience with baccarat to identify the type of shoes.
Second I do not scan for setups that's too deep into a shoe - I apply a delimiter.
Yes, it's a hit and run strategy of some sort and it is not a guessing hit and run or based on superstition.
It's based on frequency distribution how the clusters of win and losses come. I play the setups when the conditions is in my favour. That's why I scan for average 30 shoes a day. It's a rare condition, it occurs enough times within 30-40 shoes sometimes quick other time the number of games will not be enough.
The reason why I play with a 8-12units stoploss or profit target is because the test results showed this optimum point where variance will move to positive the return to the mean, not fully but 2sd. I don't know if played continuously what is the result because it's not practical to play continuously unless you got many teams to play 24/7.
About your question(bolded) how large is the edge playing hit and run based on frequency distribution.
A typical day can easily return a 10win 2loss risking 2units giving a net 6units.
I played 2random games on roulettesimulator that I posted the results earlier - it won 9spins within 45-49spins.
Why then I don't play it with roulette ?
1. The green zero that must come.
2. I spent a long time to test this method with real spins collection from my casino. I have to do a similar test for roulette. That I'm not doing because I already have the evidence with baccarat.
There are some filters that can be applied only with baccarat because baccarat has only 60-70hands that's limited before a brand new game starts. Roulette is continuous, same with sicbo.
Eventhough I did not do the test and given the difference I pointed out, I am confident to some extent that it will still give the advantage. My play at roulettesimulator somewhat confirms my hunch although it's only 2games so I can't be certain unless a test with larger sample size is done.
3. Money management and bet sizing designed around frequency distribution is very important. The idea is not to win a lot. The objective is to win enough so that you accumulate casino money to gradually increase the units per bet. The goal is max table limit for etg games which I projected to reach it in 2months of play. But now my game rate is lowered due to the faulty etg in one location that will slow down our progress.
If you want to do what I do, you have to isolate the win clusters from your loss clusters then identify the characteristics where and when those loss clusters occur, eliminate them. It takes a lot of work to do that. If you are up to it then do it.
In summary, my answer to your question is overwhelming. And I'm quietly confident it works just the same with roulette or sicbo eventhough there are differences with other games and I don't have the conclusive evidence yet.
When you enter a casino to play roulette and you tell the staff that you'll use a strategy, they'll laugh and say: Go ahead! You can even show them which strategy you will use.
Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 05:51 PM 2018
If you want to do what I do, you have to isolate the win clusters from your loss clusters then identify the characteristics where and when those loss clusters occur, eliminate them. It takes a lot of work to do that. If you are up to it then do it.
Yes getting answers for your chosen method takes time and yes hard work.
I asked somewhere the other day how many spins can betting the 27 remaining uniques take, no answer came. But if you collect your recorded games, you'll get your answer, after plenty of games the max for 27 to come in is 5 spins, last seen 573 games ago it averages to come in, is (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/08/temp_181289.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G6u6Z) so if you rounded it up to 2 spins and waited for the 27 to miss twice theres now the chance to bet, or wait for 3 misses then bet, but it dont miss for 3 often
If you have a good system -
1. Don't play it with online live dealer casino. Play it at b&m casino.
2. Don't play it just to collect some cash. Yes winning cash is good.
Play it to collect casino money, use it to build your unit size with the goal to play at max table limit.
3. Don't play it with roulette. The casino thinks you are using cheating AP or hidden roulette computers to win. You may be banned for winning too much or too consistently even for winning small money.
One of the reasons why I don't spend time to do the test.
4. Don't play it with blackjack. They think you are counting cards. You will get banned.
5. Play it with baccarat or sicbo. These two games has no advantage play. It's a pure luck game. You will never get ban even you win a lot. There are guys in my b&m that win millions, some hundred thousand in one session. Ofc they do lose and some of them lose more than 10million - it's normal. How much you win or lose depends on the bet size you play. I can't play at the manual table because it's practically not possible unless there's a large team to scan the manual tables at 2-3mins per hand.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 05:54 PM 2018
When you enter a casino to play roulette and you tell the staff that you'll use a strategy, they'll laugh and say: Go ahead! You can even show them which strategy you will use.
They wouldnt be laughing for long with me Andre. If i took a big enough bankroll. I play one game and walk out with thousands.
The ONLY reason alot of them have that attitude is because over 95% of people who gamble are absolute idiots who dont know when to quit. Over time they would come to fear someone like me. Because they would realize im never leaving the casino without profit. And most days that would mean 🛑TWO SPINS🛑 Collect my money and bye bye.
Playing that one game a day. I could win over 40 days in a row before they would evet get anything back from me.
Think about that for a minute Andre. Thats the power of PB when it gets a streak going. It would mess with their minds. Think about what would be going through their minds after say 35 days of me coming in. Playing a maximum of 3 spins. Mostly 1 or 2. Collecting several thousand and walking out. For the first week maybe. They would think theres a lucky chap.
But after 30 plus days. What do you think theyd be thinking???
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 08, 06:10 PM 2018
Yes getting answers for your chosen method takes time and yes hard work.
I asked somewhere the other day how many spins can betting the 27 remaining uniques take, no answer came. But if you collect your recorded games, you'll get your answer, after plenty of games the max for 27 to come in is 5 spins, last seen 573 games ago it averages to come in, is (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/08/temp_181289.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G6u6Z) so if you rounded it up to 2 spins and waited for the 27 to miss twice theres now the chance to bet, or wait for 3 misses then bet, but it dont miss for 3 often
Exactly notto, but most people don't want to do the hard work. They dream of easy money that fall from the sky onto their lap. :(
Let's face some truths!
Mr Winkel has a website where he sells his strategy. Mr Steve sells roulette computers. If they really had an infallible method, they would not have to sell anything. They would just get rich using their methods.
link:://:.g-u-t.co/
I'll say it again
The truth is that it is very difficult to beat roulette. It's a hell of a game. Do not be fooled by this strategy. If it were easy to make lots of money JL would not be here in this forum. He would be in some paradise enjoying life.
I built my own strategy betting repeats however I have to work like a dog to make some profit.
I believe JL can make some profit using this strategy but getting rich is another story.
If I could go back in time I would never want to have known the Devil's game.
Get out while there's time. You can go crazy or lose all your savings.
My advice for the new members.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 06:43 PM 2018
Let's face some truths!
Mr Winkel has a website where he sells his strategy. M. Steve sells roulette computers. If they really had an infallible method, they would not have to sell anything. They would just get rich using their methods.
Andre, I agree with you about this to a certain extent.
If you have a winning method - systems play, AP or roulette computer - you will not sell it to the world. You make money at the casino, you teach you kids how to play to win.
Under certain circumstances the creator may sell the system to the general public -
1. The creator for whatever reason is banned from casinos.
2. The method requires a team to operate with specific functions - team members may be recruited.
3. The creator sells his method as franchise - he collects royalty from other people playing his method.
4. The creator is sick, not physically able to play at the casino himself.
5. The creator has no kids to pass on his method.
These are possible reasons why creators choose to sell their method. Or that's the story they tell you.
You choose what you believe.
And to be clear, I won't sell my method. :)
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 08, 06:24 PM 2018
They wouldnt be laughing for long with me Andre. If i took a big enough bankroll. I play one game and walk out with thousands.
The ONLY reason alot of them have that attitude is because over 95% of people who gamble are absolute idiots who dont know when to quit. Over time they would come to fear someone like me. Because they would realize im never leaving the casino without profit. And most days that would mean 🛑TWO SPINS🛑 Collect my money and bye bye.
Playing that one game a day. I could win over 40 days in a row before they would evet get anything back from me.
Think about that for a minute Andre. Thats the power of PB when it gets a streak going. It would mess with their minds. Think about what would be going through their minds after say 35 days of me coming in. Playing a maximum of 3 spins. Mostly 1 or 2. Collecting several thousand and walking out. For the first week maybe. They would think theres a lucky chap.
But after 30 plus days. What do you think theyd be thinking???
sentinel, from my previous playing experience with JL PB I found out at a cost that I'm not a luckyfella at gambling though I do wish I am.
It'$ just hot air...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 06:43 PM 2018
Let's face some truths!
Mr Winkel has a website where he sells his strategy. Mr Steve sells roulette computers. If they really had an infallible method, they would not have to sell anything. They would just get rich using their methods.
link:://:.g-u-t.co/
Its proves again that why u r stupid. Winkle has no site and he doesnt anything. And yes if u have even 1 HG( not 3) u would never come back to play red black.
What u want to say? Ye i got 3 hg and i m looking forother system for fun and try something new.
While u made ur hg by reading GUT and saying this man has nothing. Remember members like winkle, turbo and some other saves our 20 yr time by researching throughout their life and put us ahead.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 08, 07:27 PM 2018
Its proves again that why u r stupid. Winkle has no site and he doesnt anything. And yes if u have even 1 HG( not 3) u would never come back to play red black.
What u want to say? Ye i got 3 hg and i m looking forother system for fun and try something new.
While u made ur hg by reading GUT and saying this man has nothing. Remember members like winkle, turbo and some other saves our 20 yr time by researching throughout their life and put us ahead.
This I agree fully.
This generous elite group of members(John Legend is on my list together with some less popular members) has individually made immense contributions on forum boards that saved us our time that put us so far ahead that enabled us to utilise their contributions and pointers to push further. Without them and their contributions it's not possible, no way.
For that, I always hold them in high esteem, always respect them and their contributions.
Come on people.
Call a spade a spade.
Give respect when respect is due.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 08, 07:27 PM 2018
Its proves again that why u r stupid. Winkle has no site and he doesnt anything. And yes if u have even 1 HG( not 3) u would never come back to play red black.
What u want to say? Ye i got 3 hg and i m looking forother system for fun and try something new.
While u made ur hg by reading GUT and saying this man has nothing. Remember members like winkle, turbo and some other saves our 20 yr time by researching throughout their life and put us ahead.
First of all I don't disrespect you.So please respect me.You always overreact. You dont need to attack me
Yes, I built my own HG (just 1) and I thanks Winkel, nottophammer, Denzie and all the members that contributed with it.
My "HG" is not a money-making machine.It takes a lot of work to make some profit.
And yes, as i said before, I like to test strategies and try something new. Is there something wrong with that?
All my respect for Mr. Winkel.I thought he was selling his strategy. I apologize to him. I made a mistake judging him.
And as for Steve, I do not know why he's not rich yet if he says his computers make thousands $$$.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 08:20 PM 2018
First of all I don't disrespect you.So please respect me.You always overreact. You dont need to attack me
Yes, I built my own HG (just 1) and I thanks Winkel, nottophammer, Denzie and all the members that contributed with it.
My "HG" is not a money-making machine.It takes a lot of work to make some profit.
You have to be realistic. To win you have to do a lot of work. I work like a dog too. :(
Ye some people say they win easily but I don't believe their bs. Maybe it's not bs, not our business to know,
we wish them very best.
And yes, as i said before, I like to test strategies and try something new. Is there something wrong with that?
Earlier I was playing baccarat fx TA. but it was a very slow grind using mobile computer - I have to key in lots of hands for many shoes. If I win large bets consistently I will be banned eventually for using computers.
So, I started to test systems - TG's repeaters works. Tested denzie's AP eye on the ball, it work. But I was not satisfied with the winnings vs the risk.
Then sentinel rebump his JL PB thread. I tested it, didn't work. Stumbled upon this current bet pattern slightly earlier than you. My 1st model work(I posted on this thread), played it but still slow grind. This model works wonderfully. Fully satisfied.
Andre, you will keep searching until you find your person hg - you are still not satisfied.
All my respect for Mr. Winkel.I thought he was selling his strategy. I apologize to him. I made a mistake judging him.
Don't judge lest you be judged. I read that somewhere.
And as for Steve, I do not know why he's not rich yet if he says his computers make thousands $$$.
If we can't say good things, don't say anything.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 05:08 PM 2018
The truth is that it is very difficult to beat roulette. It's a hell of a game. Do not be fooled by this strategy. If it were easy to make lots of money JL would not be here in this forum. He would be in some paradise enjoying life.
I built my own strategy betting repeats however I have to work like a dog to make some profit.
I believe JL can make some profit using this strategy but getting rich is another story.
If I could go back in time I would never want to have known the Devil's game.
Get out while there's time. You can go crazy or lose all your savings.
My advice for the new members.
Andre how do YOU KNOW im not enjoying LIFE? I came back to this forum after 6 years. I didnt have to and maybe I shouldnt have.
Because time teaches you people dont change. They are still negative. What is your definition of RICH?
PB was never designed to get rich. Its a grinder. But it delivers over the long term. If you have a system that even makes you an extra 10k a year. Thats money no one will hand you.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 08, 03:57 PM 2018
Your target profit is make $30 a day?! Play hit and run style for 3 games using progression 10, 20, 40. You will need to figure out when the conditions are favorable to bet.
If you play all day long you will lose for sure.
You have to avoid the variance.
Theres nothing to figure out. RANDOM SELECTS YOUR BET for you. Do you understand this?
Because I think alot of people posting on my thread do not. And in doing so PB just became a much stronger system with a faster qualification time.
In the past a game could take anything from 21 spins to 120 spins to qualify. NOW ALL GAMES QUALIFY INSIDE 50 SPINS.
See I just gave you something powerful in that capped sentence. But you will still be asleep and listening to all the negativity. Tracking all 3 even chances has turned PB into a truly great system. I just won my 28th consecutive first game of the day this morning. And now have an overall streak of 22 games in a row.
Since revising the system losses are becoming SCARCE. It like a special event now to get back to back losses. Even losses inside 10 games of eachother. Have stopped happening.
Random is delivering the bet it cannot figure out. My strikerate is increasing by the day. Now just under 16--1.
Its all good...
Has anyone tested the revised JL PB ?
If you have, pls post here for the benefit of all.
I have not, so I don't know. No comment.
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thanks a lot John Legend and other gurus in house.
I want to ask God and you guys to fulfill my wish and requests given below:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 09, 12:10 AM 2018PB just became a much stronger system with a faster qualification time.
In the past a game could take anything from 21 spins to 120 spins to qualify. NOW ALL GAMES QUALIFY INSIDE 50 SPINS.
Thank you JL for this amazing discovery. So from 120 spins to 50 spins, someone (JL) has found a way to make PB faster.
Now my request to all of you to find out more faster spins qualification (so it can be played at B&M casinos easily.
I believe if this faster idea came before so it can come again. so masters/gurus/students please find out a way. thanks.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 09, 12:10 AM 2018Theres nothing to figure out. RANDOM SELECTS YOUR BET for you. Do you understand this?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 09, 12:10 AM 2018Random is delivering the bet it cannot figure out.
Is there any other bet selection or any other way that Random deliver the bet like PB (thank you JL for it)?
Can someone brainstorm and find out any other way? so may be other way qualifies faster than PB.
highly appreciated for your efforts.
Love and Light.
SugTips.
Quote from: sugtips on Feb 09, 02:58 AM 2018
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thanks a lot John Legend and other gurus in house.
I want to ask God and you guys to fulfill my wish and requests given below:
Thank you JL for this amazing discovery. So from 120 spins to 50 spins, someone (JL) has found a way to make PB faster.
Now my request to all of you to find out more faster spins qualification (so it can be played at B&M casinos easily.
I believe if this faster idea came before so it can come again. so masters/gurus/students please find out a way. thanks.
Is there any other bet selection or any other way that Random deliver the bet like PB (thank you JL for it)?
Can someone brainstorm and find out any other way? so may be other way qualifies faster than PB.
highly appreciated for your efforts.
Love and Light.
SugTips.
Sugtips thats as fast as it can be. Remember 48 spins is the LONGEST. I have now seen a game take to qualify in over 400 ive now played with the revised system. Most games are over inside 36 spins. You have no excuses now.
Other than a jaded attitude. The system is STRONGER. and averages 36 spins a game. What more can I give you???
Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 06:56 PM 2018
And to be clear, I won't sell my method. :)
Care to give clues to your golden method in another thread?
Quote from: cht on Feb 09, 01:45 AM 2018Has anyone tested the revised JL PB ?
If you have, pls post here for the benefit of all.
This kind of topic was discussed in german forums 13-14 years ago. Similar quarrelings and fightings as here. And of course the "winners". Winkel could remember.
I am familiar with EC/Figures and so on and did a lot of programming. But I dont have the time to find out what is "revised JL PB " within 135 pages.
What I understand until now:
You wait for 7 of 8 (=2^3) possible EC figures (length=3) to come.
Then bet against the 8th with secret rules and progressions.
So if you can give
exact rules I could do some testing.
Exact means the rules are of the form :
If ... Then ... Else ... (Mathematic rules) :thumbsup:
Have a nice day
Don’t bother Herby. I offered to give something similar and I know where the results are heading. But anything you post will be dismissed saying you are testing continuously and you need to play in real roulette table few games a day for 200 days. So my humble advice is not to do it.
However if you still want to do it, there are no secret rules and progressions, sentinel has been very clear. You track all ECs in 3s pattern like HHh, HHL etc. There are total of 24 patterns with 8 each for colour, high low and odd even. Whichever even chance reaches 7 patterns first, bet once that the 8th patten will not happen next. Sometimes the opposite will finish in 1 spin, sometimes it will take full 3 spins. The progression is 1-2-4. On a win game over. On a loss game over. You restart tracking. Simple.
Quote from: cht on Feb 08, 05:51 PM 2018What I did was to eliminate conditions that losing clusters are more likely to occur.
I may not necessarily agree to whatever you have written, but I definitely sign up to this. To win in this game you have to find a way to eliminate losses.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 05:54 AM 2018
I may not necessarily agree to whatever you have written, but I definitely sign up to this. To win in this game you have to find a way to eliminate losses.
Well you did fine over 500 odd game TS. My strikerate is climbing by the week last week I was just under 15--1. After this morning I am just over 16--1. Doubt I will ever reach 22-1 overall. But even if it hovers around 15--1 from now on. Thats fantastic. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Herby on Feb 09, 05:32 AM 2018
So if you can give exact rules I could do some testing.
Exact means the rules are of the form :
If ... Then ... Else ... (Mathematic rules) :thumbsup:
Have a nice day
Good idea. Go for it.
I would like to bet on the outcome on this ..... what you say sentinel? 100 bucks?
Btw if i can guess the exact loss % you need to pay double :lol:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 09, 06:28 AM 2018
My strikerate is climbing by the week last week I was just under 15--1. After this morning I am just over 16--1.
Over how many games was this 15 strike rate. Is it over 11 years of play or a set of games?
Quote from: denzie on Feb 09, 06:46 AM 2018
Good idea. Go for it.
I would like to bet on the outcome on this ..... what you say sentinel? 100 bucks?
Btw if i can guess the exact loss % you need to pay double :lol:
Denzie if you spent half as much time being positive as you do being negative you would do alright with PB. What are you talking about. There is no loss with PB play EXACTLY as I advise. Not everyone will win as much as eachother.
But I can assure you played exactly as I advise or even as Dr Sudoku advises. You will Profit. Its as simple as that. The only question is will your overall strike rate be 10--1 12--1 or 15--1. Thats what I cannot determine.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 07:20 AM 2018
Over how many games was this 15 strike rate. Is it over 11 years of play or a set of games?
Before I revised the system TS my overall strikerate floated between 10--1 and 12--1. Occasionally going to 14--1 or at the other end 9--1.
At no time from its creation in 2007 to today Did I record a negative result over a 100 game sample. AT NO TIME.
And now with the superior revised version. Thats never happening. The strikerate has moved from 12--1 to 16.2--1 in the last 404 games. THATS UNHEARD OF in its 11 year 14,092 game history.
And I know why. Added to this that i no longer have to ever wait longer than 48 spins to get my bet. Its better than ever. There were times in the past it could go over 100 spins before I was left with pattern 8. That will never ever happen again. 50 spins is a barrier it will rarely pass now. A virtual limit.
Im surprised nobody has realized a key point of exploitation here. Im not handing it to you. You need to so some work for yourselves.
In response to sugtips...
In addition to 3 pattern types that sentinel3 (JL) uses there ARE other possibilities to take into account that MAY WELL produce even earlier triggers than the 40-50 results that sentinel3 mentioned he had at most to wait for now.
That is to say, to include as well the trios of outcomes that ONLY consist of a mixture of all 3 EC's, R/B; H/L and O/E results:
Patt#4 = H/L; O/E; R/B
Patt#5 = H/L; R/B; O/E
Patt#6 = R/B; H/L; O/E
Patt#7 = R/B; O/E; H/L
Patt#8 = O/E; R/B ;H/L
Patt#9 = O/E; H/L; R/B
This gives the following extra 8 combos for each new pattern
Patt#4 Patt#5 Patt#6 Patt#7 Patt#8 Patt#9
===== ===== ===== ===== ===== =====
HOR HRO RHO ROH ORH OHR
HER HRE RHE REH ERH EHR
HOB HBO BHO BOH OBH OHB
HEB HBE BHE BEH EBH EHB
LOR LRO RLO ROL ORL OLR
LER LRE RLE REL ERL ELR
LOB LBO BLE BEL EBL OLB
LEB LBE BLO BOL OBL ELB
Usual PB rules apply; wait for a missing pattern and bet against it. :)
These are in addition to sentinel3' s existing trio patterns of just ONE EC
Patt#1 = R/B; R/B; R/B
Patt#2 = O/E; O/E; O/E
Patt#3 = H/L; H/L; H/L
Patt#1 Patt#2 Patt#3
===== ===== =====
RRR OOO HHH
BBB EEE LLL
RRB EEO HHL
BRR OEE LHH
RBB EOO HLL
BBR OOE LLH
BRB EOE HLH
RBR OEO LHL
However it would be a lot easier and save a lot of TIME and RECORDING if we had a small tracker type console program that would accept input, analyse the results and alert the player to any final missing pattern that is discovered for ALL 9 of these pattern8 combos.
Maybe I will try and write myself a little console prog that can handle that...
A.
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you Atlantis for this amazing brainstorming idea.
I am seeing a flaw in it or may be not understanding it well. For example in patt#4 Last remaining pattern is HOR and it comes HRO which is not in patt#4 list.
Please correct me if am wrong.
Thank you for your support.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 28, 05:10 AM 2018
Well, today I set my alarm to 3 AM. Woke up in the middle of night to see those dashing ladies spinning the ball in Eastern Europe and playing the magic FIRST GAME of the day. And you know what it won. Good on you sentinel. :love:
ok. I have been testing this with real money 5 games a day in Betfair casino exactly the same way describes by sentinel. I started on 28th. Today is the 13th day. I do play the magic first game at 3AM as well. I will be posting the results along with the spins for everyone to see and will continue to do this until I reach 100th day.
There has been lot of claims that I wanted to validate. Two most importantly.
1 - win ratio of 16-1
2 - it has never lost in a 100 game set.
Never tested playing all 9 sets of patterns as would be too much to cross off and concentrate on within 15 seconds betting time between spins.
But im sure it will help anyone playing at casino or someone with a tracker on computer to track the patterns.
Attached below!!
Cheers
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 09, 10:48 AM 2018
In response to sugtips...
In addition to 3 pattern types that sentinel3 (JL) uses there ARE other possibilities to take into account that MAY WELL produce even earlier triggers than the 40-50 results that sentinel3 mentioned he had at most to wait for now.
That is to say, to include as well the trios of outcomes that ONLY consist of a mixture of all 3 EC's, R/B; H/L and O/E results:
Patt#4 = H/L; O/E; R/B
Patt#5 = H/L; R/B; O/E
Patt#6 = R/B; H/L; O/E
Patt#7 = R/B; O/E; H/L
Patt#8 = O/E; R/B ;H/L
Patt#9 = O/E; H/L; R/B
This gives the following extra 8 combos for each new pattern
Patt#4 Patt#5 Patt#6 Patt#7 Patt#8 Patt#9
===== ===== ===== ===== ===== =====
HOR HRO RHO ROH ORH OHR
HER HRE RHE REH ERH EHR
HOB HBO BHO BOH OBH OHB
HEB HBE BHE BEH EBH EHB
LOR LRO RLO ROL ORL OLR
LER LRE RLE REL ERL ELR
LOB LBO BLE BEL EBL OLB
LEB LBE BLO BOL OBL ELB
Usual PB rules apply; wait for a missing pattern and bet against it. :)
These are in addition to sentinel3' s existing trio patterns of just ONE EC
Patt#1 = R/B; R/B; R/B
Patt#2 = O/E; O/E; O/E
Patt#3 = H/L; H/L; H/L
Patt#1 Patt#2 Patt#3
===== ===== =====
RRR OOO HHH
BBB EEE LLL
RRB EEO HHL
BRR OEE LHH
RBB EOO HLL
BBR OOE LLH
BRB EOE HLH
RBR OEO LHL
However it would be a lot easier and save a lot of TIME and RECORDING if we had a small tracker type console program that would accept input, analyse the results and alert the player to any final missing pattern that is discovered for ALL 9 of these pattern8 combos.
Maybe I will try and write myself a little console prog that can handle that...
A.
I created this excel sheet long ago while testing pattern ideas out. It's a maze of patterns !
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 11:12 AM 2018
ok. I have been testing this with real money 5 games a day in Betfair casino exactly the same way describes by sentinel. I started on 28th. Today is the 13th day. I do play the magic first game at 3AM as well. I will be posting the results along with the spins for everyone to see and will continue to do this until I reach 100th day.
There has been lot of claims that I wanted to validate. Two most importantly.
1 - win ratio of 16-1
2 - it has never lost in a 100 game set.
Lol TS it doesnt have to be 3AM on the dot. I said between 3 and 6am. Dont lose any beauty sleep over this.
Okay the win ratio of 16.2 to be exact is where I stand RIGHT NOW. So over my 14,000 plus results. I am currently averaging 16.2 wins to every loss.
Thats about to go up slightly, as I just won another 3 games in my second session of the day.
What I mean by never lost. It has NEVER dropped below the break even point of 7--1 at anytime over a 100 game set. So from the very first 100 games I played way back in 2007. To my latest 100 games. 8.5--1 is the lowest point its ever touched. And my current wonderful 16.2--1 the highest point its ever been...
Hope that clears that up
Quote from: sugtips on Feb 09, 11:05 AM 2018
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you Atlantis for this amazing brainstorming idea.
I am seeing a flaw in it or may be not understanding it well. For example in patt#4 Last remaining pattern is HOR and it comes HRO which is not in patt#4 list.
Please correct me if am wrong.
Thank you for your support.
If the last remaining trio to yet to happen is HOR in pattern#4 then you bet against that; so you would bet on LEB.
Yes a program could quite easily manage 9 pattern sequences of 8 combos. Spreadsheet looks a little confusing - so a small windows console program where you just input the spin numbers 1 at a time or 3 at a time might be the answer. The program would keep track of the patterns and tell you when and what to play. Play your first game - chosen by random itself. :)
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 09, 11:45 AM 2018
If the last remaining trio to yet to happen is HOR in pattern#4 then you bet against that; so you would bet on LEB.
Yes a program could quite easily manage 9 pattern sequences of 8 combos. Spreadsheet looks a little confusing - so a small windows console program where you just input the spin numbers 1 at a time or 3 at a time might be the answer. The program would keep track of the patterns and tell you when and what to play. Play your first game - chosen by random itself. :)
If you want random to choose when you start your 1st game don't start with the 1st spin when you arrive at the table. Play a game which I posted earlier to determine when to start the spin sequence. That's how I do it, allowing random to start the game. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Jan 27, 10:36 AM 2018
The 1st change is when do I start the game. I record the 1st 9 results to find out which holds the majority - Player or Banker. Eg. Player holds the majority I start the game when the 1st column of the 3 series starts with Player. Early Banker series is ignored. If the count is a tie, extend another series.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P Start game.
Just to make sure sugtips,
Patt#4
=====
HOR
HER â—™
HOB â—™
HEB â—™
LOR â—™
LER â—™
LOB â—™
LEB â—™
When H-O-R is the ONLY pattern not to have shown up, as indicated, bet the opposite combo for the next 3 spins eg: Ist bet L; 2nd bet E; 3rd bet B. Stop at a winner.
Thanks God and Atlantis for delivering this superb variation of JL PB.
So its now JLPBA for me. Million Thanks
Quote from: sugtips on Feb 09, 01:20 PM 2018Thanks God and Atlantis for delivering this superb variation of JL PB.
So its now JLPBA for me. Million Thanks
Atlantis and not to forget CHT with his XL sheet open here a real deep field of possible patterns. :thumbsup:
So we could call it: JLPB-ACHT
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 05:54 AM 2018
I may not necessarily agree to whatever you have written, but I definitely sign up to this. To win in this game you have to find a way to eliminate losses.
That's the 1st element to win.
To eliminate losses simply don't bet when the losses are known to appear.
The 2nd equally important element is to bet at the frequency distribution fall off point.
Combine both to give you the overwhelming winning edge. :thumbsup:
Test the final product on roulette, baccarat, sicbo or any random EC game it should work the same - then you know you have a real winner that you can bankroll confidently. :)
Eliminate losses ? or increase wins ?
Which one would you opt ?
You can eliminate losses if you don't play at all, so you are automatically winning
The other way is, you can increase wins by using a solid system and still make profits
Quote from: Herby on Feb 09, 01:36 PM 2018
Atlantis and not to forget CHT with his XL sheet open here a real deep field of possible patterns. :thumbsup:
So we could call it: JLPB-ACHT
NO I will make it to JLPBAS.
AT least give me some credit for asking a great right question rather than......
Need advice does 431/1 double loss ok? I experience this.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 05:43 AM 2018
Don’t bother Herby. I offered to give something similar and I know where the results are heading. But anything you post will be dismissed saying you are testing continuously and you need to play in real roulette table few games a day for 200 days. So my humble advice is not to do it.
However if you still want to do it, there are no secret rules and progressions, sentinel has been very clear. You track all ECs in 3s pattern like HHh, HHL etc. There are total of 24 patterns with 8 each for colour, high low and odd even. Whichever even chance reaches 7 patterns first, bet once that the 8th patten will not happen next. Sometimes the opposite will finish in 1 spin, sometimes it will take full 3 spins. The progression is 1-2-4. On a win game over. On a loss game over. You restart tracking. Simple.
TS try to understand why its so hard for me to accept the results of a bot. Or frenetic continuous play.
I have had 11 years of success with this system. I know people who have been playing it for 7 years. Who have had similar success. So how am I gonna accept a bot test or someone playing it completely differently to me and others like Dr Sudoku who has years of success under their belt.
Then oh they say "oh by the way Sentinel JL. I played your system the exact opposite of how you play it.
And its not working out so good.
Well maybe you need to be playing it exactly as I do.
I know people on here think I make all this stuff up. Its frustrating because you spend an eternity hopping from system to system. When one of the greatest has been under your noses for 7 years. And now vastly improved with the revision.
Less time needs to be spent rehashing the same myth about survivng a bot test. Relentless testing. And all the maths nonsense
And more people need to pay attention to the people who have actually played this system with success for several years.
I dont know why you think im going to come on here and make this up..i think
can do better things with my time. I had this idea of sharing a winning system with others. But I was pre warned no one will believe you..Because most of you deep down think this game is impossible to beat even in someones lifetime.
Short of having one of you live with me for the next two years. And witnessing for yourselfs me winning as I say I do.
I dont know how else I can show it. I had an idea of having an account with a modest sum in it. Say 40 euro. And playing it for a year. Just pattern breaker. Then have one of you login and check the results for yourself.
That I hit the strike rate I say I do etc.
Maybe thats the way to prove it. So you know what JL says is what he does. Then you will understand why I have such passion and eduring faith in this simple but very effective system.
Maybe I can set an account and let a doubter like TS or Denzie. Be the person to verify my integrity.
A great video nuclear physics random events .thanks to turbo .
This helped get a 431 / 1 winners
I'm playing in a different way.
I wait one of the patterns to form for 3 times and I bet against it. For example:
LHH
LHH
LHH
Bet
HLL
That's my trigger.
Im playing it three times per day using a 4 steps progression 10, 10, 30, 60
No losses so far.
I know some players will say my trigger is a fallacy but If you play against a pattern, would you start for example betting after only one red hit or would you start betting after 15 reds hit? This is my thinking.
R start betting B for 4 times.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR start betting B for 4 times.
Which one will you choose?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 09, 03:49 PM 2018
Bet
HLL
That's my trigger.
Im playing it three times per day using a 4 steps progression 10, 10, 30, 60
Thanks for your suggestion. When you are betting against the pattern that has appeared three times, it is, obviously, at most a three spin bet (like the HLL example you gave).
But you said you are using a 4 step progression. So what exactly are you betting the 60 units (the 4th bet) on?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 09, 04:06 PM 2018
Thanks for your suggestion. When you are betting against the pattern that has appeared three times, it is, obviously, at most a three spin bet (like the HLL example you gave).
But you said you are using a 4 step progression. So what exactly are you betting the 60 units (the 4th bet) on?
Yes Doctor, the 4th bet same game.
I break even on second bet.
HLLH
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 09, 03:49 PM 2018
I'm playing in a different way.
I wait one of the patterns to form for 3 times and I bet against it. For example:
LHH
LHH
LHH
Bet
HLL
That's my trigger.
Im playing it three times per day using a 4 steps progression 10, 10, 30, 60
No losses so far.
I know some players will say my trigger is a fallacy but If you play against a pattern, would you start for example betting after only one red hit or would you start betting after 15 reds hit? This is my thinking.
R start betting B for 4 times.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR start betting B for 4 times.
Which one will you choose?
How long are you waiting on average for these tripple repeaters Andre?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 09, 02:41 PM 2018Relentless testing. And all the maths nonsense
Hi sentinel,
this sounds interesting.
I think you are able to full understand the topics binomial distribution, normal distribution, hypothesis testing etc., all these tools necessary to talk about the mathematics of your kind of game.
I think you are an intelligent and responsible guy, so you wouldnt talk about
maths nonsense without very strong reasons, which you will be so kind to tell us.
Have a nice day
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 09, 05:03 PM 2018
How long are you waiting on average for these tripple repeaters Andre?
I track 8 wheels simultaneously. So It can be a wait of 5 to 30 minutes on average.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 09, 03:49 PM 2018
I'm playing in a different way.
I wait one of the patterns to form for 3 times and I bet against it. For example:
LHH
LHH
LHH
Bet
HLL
That's my trigger.
Im playing it three times per day using a 4 steps progression 10, 10, 30, 60
No losses so far.
I know some players will say my trigger is a fallacy but If you play against a pattern, would you start for example betting after only one red hit or would you start betting after 15 reds hit? This is my thinking.
R start betting B for 4 times.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR start betting B for 4 times.
Which one will you choose?
Hi Andre,
I like your variation. My records show many games where the same pattern keeps repeating for 2-4 times before moving on to other patterns. So this could work. But as JL says you just need to read the game and see whats going on with random. Dealers can leave a very distinct signature on the wheel so you need to approach any game with caution.
Yesterday, I played at my B&M casino the MV5 method expecting any easy run and full of confidence that the systems present here by JL and others are sound. You wouldn't believe what random threw at me. I played the electronic tables with live dealer European Roulette. First table dished out 2 five pointers in a row for my first two games. I am down $120. I then take a break and play my recovery rounds on another wheel thinking the first was just pure bad timing. I back tracked the last 20 spins and immediately see a five pointer already hit. I think to myself great I missed another potential loss. So now I wait for the next trigger to present. I am waiting for a quad to form and bet it not to become another five pointer. So put another recovery bet on when it forms. What do you think came out. That's right another five pointer. I am now down $200 of my $385 bankroll that I had happily been building up over the last week using PB and MV5. Now I getting concerned random is getting untameable. So I wait for the next quad and decide to put a smaller recovery in case my luck runs out. Again, another five pointer. I was ready to give up. But remembered what JL said about patience. By this time I am down to my last $120 and decide to give it one last chance all or nothing. It could have went either way but I finally got a breakthrough and won the next bet to be only down $140. Over the next few games I played more conservatively and gradually recovered my bankroll.
Finally took a break and decided to try PB. Fortunately it was kinder to me and I won the next 6 games for a $100 profit. All up spent 4 hours but happy to come out a winner after a shocking start to the night
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Herby on Feb 09, 05:32 PM 2018
Hi sentinel,
this sounds interesting.
I think you are able to full understand the topics binomial distribution, normal distribution, hypothesis testing etc., all these tools necessary to talk about the mathematics of your kind of game.
I think you are an intelligent and responsible guy, so you wouldnt talk about maths nonsense without very strong reasons, which you will be so kind to tell us.
Have a nice day
I will be so kind to tell you. Your precious math has nothing to do with roulette.
Can your math explain for example, why no game of PB now takes more than 48 spins to qualify.
No matter where you enter the stream of variance. No matter which even chance delivers the first pattern 8. The 50 spin barrier cannot be breached.
A virtual limit has been identified for the second time in my career with roulette. Its the most powerful thing in the game. When you find a virtual limit. It means you have broken the game.
Its as good as being able to jump into the future and see where the ball will land next.
No roulette computer no nothing compares to a virtual limit. You carry this powerful knowledge around in your head. I found one with MATRIX VERTICAL 7. And now I have identified one within PATTERN BREAKER.
And math cannot BEGIN TO EXPLAIN IT. All math does is tell you roulette is a game of NEGATIVE EXPECTANCY. A VIRTUAL LIMIT tells you roulette is now a game of POSITIVE EXPECTANCY.
What i have just dropped on this forum. If understood and utilized by anyone playing this game. Assures their longterm success and prosperity with this game.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 09, 05:49 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
I like your variation. My records show many games where the same pattern keeps repeating for 2-4 times before moving on to other patterns. So this could work. But as JL says you just need to read the game and see whats going on with random. Dealers can leave a very distinct signature on the wheel so you need to approach any game with caution.
Yesterday, I played at my B&M casino the MV5 method expecting any easy run and full of confidence that the systems present here by JL and others are sound. You wouldn't believe what random threw at me. I played the electronic tables with live dealer European Roulette. First table dished out 2 five pointers in a row for my first two games. I am down $120. I then take a break and play my recovery rounds on another wheel thinking the first was just pure bad timing. I back tracked the last 20 spins and immediately see a five pointer already hit. I think to myself great I missed another potential loss. So now I wait for the next trigger to present. I am waiting for a quad to form and bet it not to become another five pointer. So put another recovery bet on when it forms. What do you think came out. That's right another five pointer. I am now down $200 of my $385 bankroll that I had happily been building up over the last week using PB and MV5. Now I getting concerned random is getting untameable. So I wait for the next quad and decide to put a smaller recovery in case my luck runs out. Again, another five pointer. I was ready to give up. But remembered what JL said about patience. By this time I am down to my last $120 and decide to give it one last chance all or nothing. It could have went either way but I finally got a breakthrough and won the next bet to be only down $140. Over the next few games I played more conservatively and gradually recovered my bankroll.
Finally took a break and decided to try PB. Fortunately it was kinder to me and I won the next 6 games for a $100 profit. All up spent 4 hours but happy to come out a winner after a shocking start to the night
Cheers
Ricky
EXACTLT RICKY. Better is to find a point where something is virtually ALWAYS delivered to you. I have found such a point within the new revised version of PB. It has the game completely broken. And ready to be exploited.
Quote from: Herby on Feb 09, 05:32 AM 2018
This kind of topic was discussed in german forums 13-14 years ago. Similar quarrelings and fightings as here. And of course the "winners". Winkel could remember.
I am familiar with EC/Figures and so on and did a lot of programming. But I dont have the time to find out what is "revised JL PB " within 135 pages.
What I understand until now:
You wait for 7 of 8 (=2^3) possible EC figures (length=3) to come.
Then bet against the 8th with secret rules and progressions.
So if you can give exact rules I could do some testing.
Exact means the rules are of the form :
If ... Then ... Else ... (Mathematic rules) :thumbsup:
Have a nice day
Hi Herby,
I am new to this forum also and have read most of the pages on this thread. You are correct in the early days of the formation of this system the rules kept bouncing around a bit. But this was because the originators were testing the ideas and found from their live play that the system needed to be tweaked. One observation JL made was that of all his losses from 2600 odd games of playing PB the losses mostly came after 45+ spins. The possible cause of this was the one remaining pattern that had not presented itself was now more "DUE" to come. Although you can't predict what random is going to do, this situation should be approached with caution. So one tweak JL suggests is that in this situation you would be better off betting for the pattern to show. But, as you suggest you still have 8 possibilities for the next three spins to show so as long as you match one of the spins with your bet you will win. What this system does though is it forces the casino to pick a lock created by its own history not by your random selection. So, to beat you, the wheel has to get its timing perfect rather than you get your timing perfect. You just follow the rules. Most times you should win. But as I posted in my previous post you can get days when random feels like its reading your mind and taking you to the cleaners.
As mentioned in this thread and probably goes for every method created, you cannot beat roulette with one method alone playing continuously. You will either need to play it in a hit and run mode or switch systems after making a quick profit. So play a few good systems in your sessions and you should end up ahead. But as I have witnessed many times impatience is the killer of any system. If you do not have the discipline and patience to wait out the bad streaks you will go home a loser.
If you look back at my recent posts I have been posting some charts of my BOT testing with the goal of turning $1K into $100K using PB alone. If this works then it will be a sound system to use in your everyday play. But as I mentioned one system alone cannot beat the game if you are playing yourself.
More results posted shortly.
I have already built PB in a BOT to test this method on live play and although it is winning and losing its the best method I have seen for making large profits.
The rules I use are:
1. Track all 8 patterns and wait for the last pattern left
2. If the number of spins to get to this last pattern is less than 45 (or 15 sets of 3) then bet for the last pattern else bet against the last pattern
3. Use a progression system that allows you to recover. I use a D'Alembert progression rather than Martingale as I am playing continuously in my BOT and need to stay in the game and withstand a long string of losses before recovering. My progression is 1 2 3 4 5 6 Units. Up if I lose, down if I win.
4. I track all 3 E/C (H-L, O-E, B-R)
5. For O-E I also bet the 4th Pattern will not match the 1st pattern
6. Finally, on all my systems, I cover the Zero bet placing about 5% of my E/B on it and adjusting the progression to recover the Zero Bet on the E/C. eg $50 on E/C and $5 on Zero. This nets up yo 3 times my outlay if and WHEN it hits.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 09, 06:28 PM 2018
Hi Herby,
I am new to this forum also and have read most of the pages on this thread. You are correct in the early days of the formation of this system the rules kept bouncing around a bit. But this was because the originators were testing the ideas and found from their live play that the system needed to be tweaked. One observation JL made was that of all his losses from 2600 odd games of playing PB the losses mostly came after 45+ spins. The possible cause of this was the one remaining pattern that had not presented itself was now more "DUE" to come. Although you can't predict what random is going to do, this situation should be approached with caution. So one tweak JL suggests is that in this situation you would be better off betting for the pattern to show. But, as you suggest you still have 8 possibilities for the next three spins to show so as long as you match one of the spins with your bet you will win. What this system does though is it forces the casino to pick a lock created by its own history not by your random selection. So, to beat you, the wheel has to get its timing perfect rather than you get your timing perfect. You just follow the rules. Most times you should win. But as I posted in my previous post you can get days when random feels like its reading your mind and taking you to the cleaners.
As mentioned in this thread and probably goes for every method created, you cannot beat roulette with one method alone playing continuously. You will either need to play it in a hit and run mode or switch systems after making a quick profit. So play a few good systems in your sessions and you should end up ahead. But as I have witnessed many times impatience is the killer of any system. If you do not have the discipline and patience to wait out the bad streaks you will go home a loser.
If you look back at my recent posts I have been posting some charts of my BOT testing with the goal of turning $1K into $100K using PB alone. If this works then it will be a sound system to use in your everyday play. But as I mentioned one system alone cannot beat the game if you are playing yourself.
More results posted shortly.
I have already built PB in a BOT to test this method on live play and although it is winning and losing its the best method I have seen for making large profits.
The rules I use are:
1. Track all 8 patterns and wait for the last pattern left
2. If the number of spins to get to this last pattern is less than 45 (or 15 sets of 3) then bet for the last pattern else bet against the last pattern
3. Use a progression system that allows you to recover. I use a D'Alembert progression rather than Martingale as I am playing continuously in my BOT and need to stay in the game and withstand a long string of losses before recovering. My progression is 1 2 3 4 5 6 Units. Up if I lose, down if I win.
4. I track all 3 E/C (H-L, O-E, B-R)
5. For O-E I also bet the 4th Pattern will not match the 1st pattern
6. Finally, on all my systems, I cover the Zero bet placing about 5% of my E/B on it and adjusting the progression to recover the Zero Bet on the E/C. eg $50 on E/C and $5 on Zero. This nets up yo 3 times my outlay if and WHEN it hits.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky send me a PM and I will introduce you to MV7. Random can be in any mood it likes. Its not defeating MV7.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 09, 05:49 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
I like your variation. My records show many games where the same pattern keeps repeating for 2-4 times before moving on to other patterns. So this could work. But as JL says you just need to read the game and see whats going on with random. Dealers can leave a very distinct signature on the wheel so you need to approach any game with caution.
Yesterday, I played at my B&M casino the MV5 method expecting any easy run and full of confidence that the systems present here by JL and others are sound. You wouldn't believe what random threw at me. I played the electronic tables with live dealer European Roulette. First table dished out 2 five pointers in a row for my first two games. I am down $120. I then take a break and play my recovery rounds on another wheel thinking the first was just pure bad timing. I back tracked the last 20 spins and immediately see a five pointer already hit. I think to myself great I missed another potential loss. So now I wait for the next trigger to present. I am waiting for a quad to form and bet it not to become another five pointer. So put another recovery bet on when it forms. What do you think came out. That's right another five pointer. I am now down $200 of my $385 bankroll that I had happily been building up over the last week using PB and MV5. Now I getting concerned random is getting untameable. So I wait for the next quad and decide to put a smaller recovery in case my luck runs out. Again, another five pointer. I was ready to give up. But remembered what JL said about patience. By this time I am down to my last $120 and decide to give it one last chance all or nothing. It could have went either way but I finally got a breakthrough and won the next bet to be only down $140. Over the next few games I played more conservatively and gradually recovered my bankroll.
Finally took a break and decided to try PB. Fortunately it was kinder to me and I won the next 6 games for a $100 profit. All up spent 4 hours but happy to come out a winner after a shocking start to the night
Cheers
Ricky
You were lucky you got off the hook.
I was taken to the cleaners twice.
1st case - in my early playing days I had this great idea that if I played 8steps marty, 10/20/40/80/160/320/640/1280 I was certain I will never lose, no way.
I lost in my first attempt. Yes I was shell shocked that the impossible happened on my very 1st attempt.
2nd case - I betted $1000 low and $500 3rd doz after that double street hits twice consecutively vv.
I lost all 3 attempts on random roulette tables at different locations of the casino played at different times of the day. The impossible has happened to me.
3rd case - This happened to another guy. After 15 Players hit, this punter waited for 3Bankers to hit immediately after. He betted 10 steps marty 100/200/400/800/1600/3200/6400/12800/25600/51200
Another guy after this 1st guy lost 8hands started play with a 6steps marty 500/1000/2000/4000/8000/16000
Both of them lost. The banker streak went 16 long.
It was a costly lesson to learn that the impossible can happen and do happen regularly.
I also learn that I am not a luckyfella at gambling. Never going to pick that outsider horse, never going to strike the jackpot. But always possible for the roll from hell(rfh) to visit me - that sums up my gambling experience.
In turn, it has helped shape my gambling philosophy - conservative, defensive and prudent to protect the br always.
Random does not recognise impossible. In gambling never say never !
Quote from: cht on Feb 09, 07:34 PM 2018
In turn, it has helped shape my gambling philosophy - conservative, defensive and prudent to protect the br always.
Random does not recognise impossible. In gambling never say never !
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 09, 07:38 PM 2018
:thumbsup:
. If roulette had to take a piss it would roll to the nearest corner and take a piss.Never under estimate the wheel .just sayin . :twisted:
A lot of people talk about winning systems.
Most people talk about winning system from this point, eg. that they win 15 times lose 1time in a 1/2/4 betting sequence. They interprete that they have a 15:1 win rate.
It's actually 15/7:1 win rate or approximately 66% win rate.
This means for every 3games cycle of 7games each, you win 2cycles lose 1cycle giving you a net 1cycle.
That's pretty good. :thumbsup:
But even with 66% win rate, we must know the possible max loss streak that can happen in order to play with the correct size br. This rfl is a math possibility.
Read this to understand about loss streak related to win rate.
:.soccerwidow.com/football-gambling/betting-knowledge/value-betting-academy/learning-centre/science-calculating-winning-losing-streaks/
To double your correct size br is no easy matter. You need a system that wins, play at the correct size br to withstand the calculated variance. That's a lot of testing and research to do. :o
If you have a winning system with a high win rate, then Madi's reference to Kelly equation comes into play - you aim to optimise your bets.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 11:12 AM 2018ok. I have been testing this with real money 5 games a day in Betfair casino exactly the same way describes by sentinel. I started on 28th. Today is the 13th day. I do play the magic first game at 3AM as well. I will be posting the results along with the spins for everyone to see and will continue to do this until I reach 100th day.
First of all, I would like Sentinel to understand that I am neither here to prove you right or wrong. I am here to find profitable methods to play and share ideas so that we can find a way to beat the casino. Lot of your comments focussed on mathematics here either border on ignorance or disillusion.
Now, having said that I trust everything you claim in your play. I am that kind of person who places trust in what people say. Again, my only opinion was not everyone will get the same results as you have got.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 08:54 PM 2018
First of all, I would like Sentinel to understand that I am neither here to prove you right or wrong. I am here to find profitable methods to play and share ideas so that we can find a way to beat the casino. Lot of your comments focussed on mathematics here either border on ignorance or disillusion.
Now, having said that I trust everything you claim in your play. I am that kind of person who places trust in what people say. Again, my only opinion was not everyone will get the same results as you have got.
Your current attempt will prove nothing. Any conclusion drawn from this result is misleading in that it's not the representation of the actual distribution. :(
So, don't blame sentinel if he does not accept your result. His result applies to him only - that is what he is sharing with us.
There will be winners and losers at both end of the spectrum, the same as the math told us.
Quote from: cht on Feb 09, 07:34 PM 2018
In turn, it has helped shape my gambling philosophy -
conservative, defensive
and prudent to protect the br always.
In soccer lingo, it is also called "parking the bus."
Are you sure you are not Jose Mourinho coming here in disguise to satiate your gambling addiction, eh?
:twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: cht on Feb 09, 09:04 PM 2018Your current attempt will prove nothing. Any conclusion drawn from this result is misleading in that it's not the representation of the actual distribution
Why do you think so?
My results.
13 days, 65 games. 48 wins and 10 losses. Now what has not been discussed here is, I got 7 games where two ECs qualified. 6 of those games both ECs won and 1 game one won and one lost. So total 72 attempts, 61 wins and 11 losses, 1 loss every 5.5 wins.
Magical first game at 3AM turned out to be worst. 13 games, 10 wins and 2 losses. One game was two qualifiers with 1 in and 1 loss. Total tally 14 attempts and 3 losses putting at 1 loss every 3.6 games.
I got a qualifier for almost all the games within 48 spins except 1 which went to 51 spins. Following is the game history. I will continue to play every day, and I really hope the wins catch up. I REALLY DO. The second column here is the number of spins before the qualifier happens.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/09/temp_252868.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G95NV)
Just so that someone can confirm that i playing exactly as described am writing the spins from the last game i played today. Qualifier came in 27th spin in RRR and the next 3 spins were 19, 25 and 21.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/09/temp_616899.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G9GHt)
Is there anyone here who play exactly as Sentinel describes? What are your results?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 09, 09:09 PM 2018
In soccer lingo, it is also called "parking the bus."
Are you sure you are not Jose Mourinho coming here in disguise to satiate your gambling addiction, eh?
:twisted: :twisted:
Actually it's SAF, I started with Rock of Gibraltar. :smile:
Watch my Clan Des Obeaux at Cheltenham.
link:s://:.google.com/amp/s/:.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-legend-sir-alex-11829543.amp
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 09:10 PM 2018Why do you think so?
I read your post again. I agree with you and thats what I have been saying as well. There will be winners and losers at both end of the spectrum. But he seems to think differently. He seems to think everyone will win, if they stick their guns and play 200 games like he does. Which i dont sign up to.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 09, 09:09 PM 2018
In soccer lingo, it is also called "parking the bus."
Are you sure you are not Jose Mourinho coming here in disguise to satiate your gambling addiction, eh?
:twisted: :twisted:
Don't ever count the chosen one out from FA/CL. He has done it with lesser teams. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Feb 09, 09:20 PM 2018
Actually it's SAF, I started with Rock of Gibraltar. :smile:
Watch my Clan Des Obeaux at Cheltenham.
link:s://:.google.com/amp/s/:.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-legend-sir-alex-11829543.amp
Suspiciously enough, you also know Portuguese very well !
It is okay -- you can admit your true identity, Jose.
Don't worry -- we won't report your gambling activities to the FA.
Just tone down the bus parking a bit, especially at home, will ya? >:D >:D
Good stuff TINSOLDIER.
i play exactly like sentinel3 but only 2 games per session. Max 2 sessions a day.
I cannot give good enough stats on this yet but im on a 8 win streak since i started playing first 2 games then stop session.
But overall over the past month playing PB in different ways. I have yet to see the first bet qualify past 48th spin. You have seen it go to 51st but I'm pritty sure that is one of those freak events that happen once every 500 or more games.
Hope you go on a nice win streak soon to bring that win/loss up to above 12/1
Thanks
Quote from: cht on Feb 09, 09:20 PM 2018
Actually it's SAF, I started with Rock of Gibraltar. :smile:
Watch my Clan Des Obeaux at Cheltenham.
link:s://:.google.com/amp/s/:.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-legend-sir-alex-11829543.amp
Won 2000 Guineas from Hawk Wing whose jockey Jamie Spencer rode an awful race. :thumbsup:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPW8AigQ00
I think it's time to slide back into the 7billion crowd. ;D
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 09:17 PM 2018
My results.
13 days, 65 games. 48 wins and 10 losses. Now what has not been discussed here is, I got 7 games where two ECs qualified. 6 of those games both ECs won and 1 game one won and one lost. So total 72 attempts, 61 wins and 11 losses, 1 loss every 5.5 wins.
Magical first game at 3AM turned out to be worst. 13 games, 10 wins and 2 losses. One game was two qualifiers with 1 in and 1 loss. Total tally 14 attempts and 3 losses putting at 1 loss every 3.6 games.
I got a qualifier for almost all the games within 48 spins except 1 which went to 51 spins. Following is the game history. I will continue to play every day, and I really hope the wins catch up. I REALLY DO. The second column here is the number of spins before the qualifier happens.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/09/temp_252868.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G95NV)
Just so that someone can confirm that i playing exactly as described am writing the spins from the last game i played today. Qualifier came in 27th spin in RRR and the next 3 spins were 19, 25 and 21.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/09/temp_616899.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G9GHt)
Is there anyone here who play exactly as Sentinel describes? What are your results?
TS this is not making sense. One week you are getting 22-1 playing all day. Now you cant even buy 7--1 playing sparingly. Come on man. I dont want to say it. But something just isnt right here.
How do you go from 22-1 to 5.3--1 in a week? And not one weeking streak over 20 games. Virtually impossible playing the revised way.
Where are you playing these games?
Maybe you need to play them on that speed roulette TS ive never experienced such a drop in a week in 11 years.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 12:09 AM 2018
TS this is not making sense. One week you are getting 22-1 playing all day. Now you cant even buy 7--1 playing sparingly. Come on man. I dont want to say it. But something just isnt right here.
How do you go from 22-1 to 5.3--1 in a week? And not one streak over 20 games. Virtually impossible playing the revised way.
Where are you playing these games?
Maybe you need to play them on that speed roulette TS ive never experienced such a drop in a week in 11 years.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 09, 09:21 PM 2018
I read your post again. I agree with you and thats what I have been saying as well. There will be winners and losers at both end of the spectrum. But he seems to think differently. He seems to think everyone will win, if they stick their guns and play 200 games like he does. Which i dont sign up to.
TS I wasnt born yesterday this all about you trying to make me look like a liar. Not prove the way I play is better or worse. The mistake you made was telling everyone first you could play 24/7 and hold a winning streak. Nobody INCLUDING ME has ever seen in 11 years. Now all of a sudden you cant even win 6--1 because you happen to be playing LIKE I DO.
Dr Sudoku warned about people like you. I doubt you even played those 450 odd games you claimed you did. You carry on I will carry on winning.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 09, 03:49 PM 2018
I'm playing in a different way.
I wait one of the patterns to form for 3 times and I bet against it. For example:
LHH
LHH
LHH
Bet
HLL
That's my trigger.
Im playing it three times per day using a 4 steps progression 10, 10, 30, 60
No losses so far.
I know some players will say my trigger is a fallacy but If you play against a pattern, would you start for example betting after only one red hit or would you start betting after 15 reds hit? This is my thinking.
R start betting B for 4 times.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR start betting B for 4 times.
Which one will you choose?
Hey Andre, I've been interested and trying to follow the way you play.
So are you still playing your first game the way you posted earlier? Waiting for four of the same pattern and then betting against it?
eg. RBB - RBB - RBB - RBB - bet BRR
Or the second way you said?
eg. LHH - LHH - LHH - LH - bet L
And then playing this third way that I quoted for the games you play after your first?
Why so many conditions to play a winning system. Day or midninght. 4 or 5 games a day? U r winning thats fine we accept that but recommend handful of game to play a day is not making any sense. U also understand that.
Lets play a childsgame. You know the machine where a head pops out in one of the holes? Then you need to be quick to smash it with that plastic hammer. Ok....the hammer is called variance....the head is you... :lol:
How will you manage to escape most hits?
By always come out the same hole ?
By trying different holes?
You get my point right ? This method always starts at the same trigger. You might make it (in your head) more impressive by saying the Wheel or random gives the start but.....at the end you always start at the same moment.....which doesnt win over time. Which will give you braindamage :xd:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Madi on Feb 10, 02:53 AM 2018
Why so many conditions to play a winning system. Day or midninght. 4 or 5 games a day? U r winning thats fine we accept that but recommend handful of game to play a day is not making any sense. U also understand that.
Hg is that something will not happen + Marti? Of course it will happen !? Happened to me in the first game, but I played at RNG for a full moon, and I did not kill the chicken with a rusty knife!? ::)
Google english, sorry.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 12:38 AM 2018
Nobody INCLUDING ME has ever seen in 11 years.
You keep bringing point like nobody including you. Can someone please raise their hands up who is playing exactly the way sentinel has described his play here. You keep bringing Dr sudoku but he has confirmed that he is playing with modifications. cHT claims to win but he is playing with modifications. Is there anyone else playing pattern breaker and getting the same result. I said I played continuously but not pattern breaker. I used this concept to play 24 sets. In fact I thank you for helping me identify that game. If it works well and holds after my extensive testing I will post it here for everyone to see.
But for now I will continue my tests. I am a patient man and I can do 200 days. I can wait even a year to get a golden winning system. This time I will post screenshots from where I play so that everyone can see what I test. I really think you are hiding a secret sauce like everyone here does and you don’t want to share that secret sauce openly.
@all: If you want a standard way to
play Pattern Breaker use this tracker.
Just select PB from the list and input the
numbers. It will tell you when and what to bet.
*btw It tracks all three Even-Chances simultaneously.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 10, 03:35 AM 2018
You keep bringing point like nobody including you. Can someone please raise their hands up who is playing exactly the way sentinel has described his play here. You keep bringing Dr sudoku but he has confirmed that he is playing with modifications. cHT claims to win but he is playing with modifications. Is there anyone else playing pattern breaker and getting the same result. I said I played continuously but not pattern breaker. I used this concept to play 24 sets. In fact I thank you for helping me identify that game. If it works well and holds after my extensive testing I will post it here for everyone to see.
But for now I will continue my tests. I am a patient man and I can do 200 days. I can wait even a year to get a golden winning system. This time I will post screenshots from where I play so that everyone can see what I test. I really think you are hiding a secret sauce like everyone here does and you don’t want to share that secret sauce openly.
What do you mean 24 sets?
You never explained that properly. I took that to mean 24 games of Pattern breaker. Heres the thing TS. You will ultimately say you cant win with pattern breaker. I already know that.
You and Denzie are people who will claim what you do works. But not anyone else.
There are no secrets. I won my 29th consecutive first game of the day this morning at 5.30am. ON LADBROKES.my 27th overall. The only detail I can think of that i didnt reveal is I start from a 10 number count..That means when I log into Ladbrokes each morning. I take the 10 numbers already there and use them to start striking off patterns.
I maintain this practice on all sites. Some will have 14 numbers on the number board when you log in. So I count back TEN NUMBERS and go from there. If theres a zero in the mix I count around it.
Thats the only thing I didnt make clear before. I track all 3 even chances as I said in the revision. Until the first one qualifies. Twin qualifiers VOID THE GAME.
Over the 410 games I have now played since the revision. The average qualification time is 36 spins per game. At the two extremes. Some games qualify in 21 spins (4 so far from 410) Some go to 48 spins (5 so far) the longest its taken out of 410 games to close the first pattern 7. Identifying another power point that i am now exploiting.
So there is no secret no special sauce. Im running at 16.3 to 1 as I write this.
You also have to understand no two games are played on the same site (wheel) maybe thats a factor. Jumping in and out of the cycle in its purest form.
Spurs vs Arsenal is a firecracker game at Wembley. Spurs is in for a tough time with Mkhitaran link up with Aubameyang - Dortmund connection.
Give roulette a break. Don't miss this match.
Prediction : Spurs 1 Arsenal 2
Quote from: Madi on Feb 10, 02:53 AM 2018
Why so many conditions to play a winning system. Day or midninght. 4 or 5 games a day? U r winning thats fine we accept that but recommend handful of game to play a day is not making any sense. U also understand that.
Madi it works that all thats matters to me. I dont care about all the theories supposed math.
All I care about is seeing my balance rising. Youve hit a nice discovery with the repeater recently. And I will play that soon. But only a 2 to become a 3. On HIGH LOW ONLY.
During tracking for PB. you nearly always get a pattern that repeats at least twice inside 40 spins. You normally get a win in two attempts.
Its a pretty solid bet. But still Madi someone will find a way to lose with even this constant happening.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 10, 03:02 AM 2018
Lets play a childsgame. You know the machine where a head pops out in one of the holes? Then you need to be quick to smash it with that plastic hammer. Ok....the hammer is called variance....the head is you... :lol:
How will you manage to escape most hits?
By always come out the same hole ?
By trying different holes?
You get my point right ? This method always starts at the same trigger. You might make it (in your head) more impressive by saying the Wheel or random gives the start but.....at the end you always start at the same moment.....which doesnt win over time. Which will give you braindamage :xd:
:thumbsup:
Doesnt win over time.. What 200 years???
Its won for me for 11 years. Im 53. Will be 54 in July..I might get lucky and make it to 75. I have no doubt it will make me money in my lifetime. Im going to las vegas in 2020 for two weeks..I will go to the casino and play 1 game a day. For $1000 a game. If I win the first 3 days. I will drop to $200 a day. Be a nice two weeks for the bankroll.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 06:44 AM 2018
Doesnt win over time.. What 200 years???
For few its possible yes. But for MOST lets say....2 weeks , 2 months :thumbsup:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 04:39 AM 2018
The only detail I can think of that i didnt reveal is I start from a 10 number count..That means when I log into Ladbrokes each morning. I take the 10 numbers already there and use them to start striking off patterns.
Well that’s a good hint sentinel. Let me switch from Betfair to ladbrokes from tomorrow. First game of the day I play in ladbrokes. Any particular table I should look for? I will also take 10 numbers there already and start striking off patterns.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 04:39 AM 2018
Twin qualifiers VOID THE GAME.
That’s another good hint. I will remove the twin qualifiers from my stats.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 04:39 AM 2018
Over the 410 games I have now played since the revision. The average qualification time is 36 spins per game. At the two extremes. Some games qualify in 21 spins (4 so far from 410) Some go to 48 spins (5 so far) the longest its taken out of 410 games to close the first pattern 7.
I am seeing the same. One went to 51 though. But that’s only one additional 3 spin set. So it’s fine I believe. I am glad am seeing similar to what you are suggesting.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 04:39 AM 2018
You also have to understand no two games are played on the same site (wheel) maybe thats a factor. Jumping in and out of the cycle in its purest form.
Now that’s new. Thanks for this. So you mean to say you play at 4-5 casinos a day for your 4-5 games a day. Is that right? I am also in the UK. Can you let me know which ones you play in so that I can do the same?
Quote from: denzie on Feb 10, 07:08 AM 2018
For few its possible yes. But for MOST lets say....2 weeks , 2 months :thumbsup:
So then the SOLUTION IS EASY. The people who cant win should give their money to the people WHO CAN WIN. And let them play for them.
See denzie what you arent understanding here. Is NOBODY is supposed to win longterm NOBODY.
So the ones that can can win for the losers of this world. Problem solved.
Quote from: cht on Feb 10, 05:37 AM 2018Prediction : Spurs 1 Arsenal 2
Cracking one for sure. Will be there to watch it. But am going for a draw.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 06:44 AM 2018
Its won for me for 11 years. Im 53. Will be 54 in July..I might get lucky and make it to 75. I have no doubt it will make me money in my lifetime. Im going to las vegas in 2020 for two weeks..I will go to the casino and play 1 game a day. For $1000 a game. If I win the first 3 days. I will drop to $200 a day. Be a nice two weeks for the bankroll.
Ok 11 years. If it was me ill be at the high rollers table for lets say 8years already. Probably wont plan a trip to Vegas in 2 years coz i would be living there already for years... just saying... :thumbsup:
Im not buying this bs.
You can call me negative all day long...I call it realistic ;)
Pay a coder. Your instructions are solid. See what happens....as i said ill bet it loses. And i even dare to say at which %
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 04:39 AM 2018You also have to understand no two games are played on the same site (wheel) maybe thats a factor. Jumping in and out of the cycle in its purest form.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 10, 07:11 AM 2018Now that’s new.
Said this yonks ago, when win, move to another wheel, get out of that stream of numbers.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 10, 07:11 AM 2018
Well that’s a good hint sentinel. Let me switch from Betfair to ladbrokes from tomorrow. First game of the day I play in ladbrokes. Any particular table I should look for? I will also take 10 numbers there already and start striking off patterns.
That’s another good hint. I will remove the twin qualifiers from my stats.
I am seeing the same. One went to 51 though. But that’s only one additional 3 spin set. So it’s fine I believe. I am glad am seeing similar to what you are suggesting.
Now that’s new. Thanks for this. So you mean to say you play at 4-5 casinos a day for your 4-5 games a day. Is that right? I am also in the UK. Can you let me know which ones you play in so that I can do the same?
Okay I have accounts with the following.
LADBROKES
WILLIAM HILL
CORAL
PADDY POWER
BETWAY
ROYAL PANDA
BET365
BETFRED
888CASINO.COM
BETVICTOR
Ladbrokes is always used for game 1 of each day. Under the conditions you now know. Not sure about the table when you login you will get ladbrokes signage in the feed they use for the game i play. So behind the dealer you will see the Ladbrokes logo.
I will then randomly pick from the rest for my remaining 4 to 9 games remaining. There are occasions when I only play 1-3 games a day. If the mrs wants a day out or I have to entertain friends whatever.
But yes each of my games is played at a different site. Betfred and Bet365 have a minumum outside bet of £5 though. So you would need a decent sized BR to play them.
What ive been doing is covering the 7th pattern to close..IF its late. So if it goes to spin 39. I will go 1-2-4-8.
To cover it for the last step of each contender. So lets say HHL was at spin 38 with HH. I would bet L to close it.
Ive won 32 games already zero losses. In my 410 games there have been 81 contenders between 39---48.
All have come to rest in that kill zone. Yes there were some twin qualifiers. In that case I have to chance a double win or usually a break even or small loss. But they havent happened often.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 10, 07:25 AM 2018
Said this yonks ago, when win, move to another wheel, get out of that stream of numbers.
EXACTLY. Stay in the stream and its more likely you land on that losing game.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 10, 07:13 AM 2018
Ok 11 years. If it was me ill be at the high rollers table for lets say 8years already. Probably wont plan a trip to Vegas in 2 years coz i would be living there already for years... just saying... :thumbsup:
Im not buying this bs.
You can call me negative all day long...I call it realistic ;)
Pay a coder. Your instructions are solid. See what happens....as i said ill bet it loses. And i even dare to say at which %
A coder is not roulette. Its not performing under my conditions. So you cannot make a comparison..Sorry to say.
11 years yes. First 6 years I was at a very modest level. In stakes. Like most of you I didnt believe the game was beatable longterm. After 10 years of seeing the same breakdown year in year out. Especially that first game. I believe this thing will keep doing this long after im gone it just works under my conditions.
You can believe what you want to. I and others are going to keep playing and winning.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 07:27 AM 2018
LADBROKES
WILLIAM HILL
CORAL
PADDY POWER
BETWAY
You are generous. I will stick to the first five. Thanks. I am trusting you a lot, hope it pays off.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 07:27 AM 2018
. Betfred and Bet365 have a minumum outside bet of £5 though. So you would need a decent sized BR to play them.
You mentioned in a total of 100 games it never has gone into the negative. Assuming it breaks even in 100 games then I will need a bankroll of 84 units. Let’s go for 100 units to be on the safe side. Considering am going to play across 5 sites, I will fill in 20 units per site. Any advice here?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 07:27 AM 2018
What ive been doing is covering the 7th pattern to close..IF its late. So if it goes to spin 39. I will go 1-2-4-8.
Thanks for this information. So if I understand right, if you go to 39 spins or more for 7th pattern to come then if the previous two remaining in the pattern comes up, you will attempt upto 4 times using a Marty of 1-2-4-8 for that 7th pattern to come through before you bet against 8tb pattern.
Two questions. You win in the 7th pattern, do you still play for 8th pattern? If there are two ECs qualifying for 7th pattern do you play both?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 07:27 AM 2018
Yes there were some twin qualifiers. In that case I have to chance a double win or usually a break even or small loss.
But what do you suggest. Do I ignore that game and look for another game or do I play both?
Two more questions. Sorry there are lot of questions, but I really want to replicate your success. Everyone only gives clues and you seem to be a nice person helping people out here.
If during tracking to get to the 8th pattern, do you restart the game or ignore the zero. If during playing against the 8th pattern, do you cover the zero? If so, do you cover in all three bets or only the third bet. How many units do you use to cover zero.
Thanks a lot sentinel.
Quote from: cht on Feb 09, 09:23 PM 2018
Don't ever count the chosen one out from FA/CL. He has done it with lesser teams. :thumbsup:
He is NOT the chosen one. He is the SPECIAL one.
Quote from: cht on Feb 10, 05:37 AM 2018
Prediction : Spurs 1 Arsenal 2
You should just stick to roulette predictions. :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Belgiangambler on Dec 30, 10:30 AM 2017what if you start over at another table or is that also considered as continuosly?
Well here is the old question that creeps into any John Legend post, and that is hit and run.
Johns posts had one thing in common and that is the belief that you could out wit random by "asking random to do something it is not good at" implying that random is a noun and not an adjective.
Surely no one just takes this belief on face value just because John said it?
Surely you would inveatigate whay random means first?
As well as John explains his methods in full...you have to accept blindly his view on random. It is the weakest part of any of his methods.
As for the quote above...why would changing tables or breaking play up with hit and run make any difference to the numbers you play with?
The only time it makes sense to change tables is if the believe the other table is flawed and you can gain some advantage by noting the nature of its bias away from being a random number generator
Having said that....its just negative to assume sentinel and Dr arnt winning with PB....I hope they are but dont just play it becauae they are doing well.....try and understant all ellement that you are seeing especially what random is and what it is not.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 10, 09:34 AM 2018
You should just stick to roulette predictions. :xd: :xd:
I expected Kane to put one behind the net. Mkhitaran - Aubameyang did not deliver the goals today. :(
Watch Citey lose to Leicester later. :twisted:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 10, 09:24 AM 2018
You are generous. I will stick to the first five. Thanks. I am trusting you a lot, hope it pays off.
You mentioned in a total of 100 games it never has gone into the negative. Assuming it breaks even in 100 games then I will need a bankroll of 84 units. Let’s go for 100 units to be on the safe side. Considering am going to play across 5 sites, I will fill in 20 units per site. Any advice here?
Thanks for this information. So if I understand right, if you go to 39 spins or more for 7th pattern to come then if the previous two remaining in the pattern comes up, you will attempt upto 4 times using a Marty of 1-2-4-8 for that 7th pattern to come through before you bet against 8tb pattern.
Two questions. You win in the 7th pattern, do you still play for 8th pattern? If there are two ECs qualifying for 7th pattern do you play both?
But what do you suggest. Do I ignore that game and look for another game or do I play both?
Two more questions. Sorry there are lot of questions, but I really want to replicate your success. Everyone only gives clues and you seem to be a nice person helping people out here.
If during tracking to get to the 8th pattern, do you restart the game or ignore the zero. If during playing against the 8th pattern, do you cover the zero? If so, do you cover in all three bets or only the third bet. How many units do you use to cover zero.
Thanks a lot sentinel.
You know i just had this thought TS. for you to truly replicate my supposed unique incredible success. Wouldnt it be PERFECT. for you to know exactly when Im on the site and to bet simultaneously WITH ME. So the results I get you would get too. Then you would soon realize I speak the truth. If say we just played 3 or 4 games a day. But always played at least that EARLY GAME AT THE SAME TIME. We could swap mobile numbers then each morning i would txt or call you. To let you know im online at Ladbrokes. Then you would log on. And I would tell you exactly what number i was starting from.
At least for that first game TS. As the weeks rolled by. Your suspicion and doubt would start to recede. As when i say i got a streak of 20 plus days. You would have a streak of 20 plus days too. What do you say to that suggestion?? Okay I Would suggest you have 40 units per site. So these sites all have a minimum bet of 50p so you should be okay with 20 per site.
Yes I will ALWAYS bet on the final 8th pattern. M7 as I call it MAGNIFICENT 7. Is simply a system within a system. A nice little bonus bet.
Although i have a delicious suspicion. M7 may turn out to be far greater than PB in the long run. Time will tell.
During tracking I ignore zeros like they never happened. In betting I will cover the zero on the third step ONLY if im pushed that far. I had two wins of that nature recently. So heres how i stake if pushed all the way.
5-10-22--ZERO=2.
See I treat the green goblin as a little bonus jackot win. Should it land. If Zero hits on the first two steps. I Take the loss and carry on with the prog. As if the zero was the opposite of what Im betting for.
This thread is falling into the same trap all the others do
People that don’t like it or claim to have bad results start dismantling the integrity of the thread
I kindly ask that if you do not like the method or if it doesn’t work for you then no need to post it here in the thread anymore
Let’s keep it for those playing it in the real world without a bot.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 10, 10:24 AM 2018
This thread is falling into the same trap all the others do
People that don’t like it or claim to have bad results start dismantling the integrity of the thread
I kindly ask that if you do not like the method or if it doesn’t work for you then no need to post it here in the thread anymore
Let’s keep it for those playing it in the real world without a bot.
Agree RG...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 10, 10:19 AM 2018Your suspicion and doubt would start to recede
I don’t have any suspicion mate, I just want to play it out, so that I can also earn some money. However I don’t want to play it the wrong way and then realise I have lost a lot. Thanks for your advice on the bankroll. Casinos, here I come.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 10, 10:24 AM 2018
People that don’t like it or claim to have bad results start dismantling the integrity of the thread
I have a solution for that. Sentinel is having an incredible run. So it is apt that we all join in and play exactly as he says. If some one says no, then better they prove their case before saying no.
There's no proof good enough in online environment.
For plays at b&m casino, there's no possible proof.
People who make claims of winning is frowned upon, automatically branded as liars and scammers. Or milder version of a rookie screaming his aha find.
Worse accusations of baiting if the system is not shared publicly.
These things we do among fellow punters on a gambling forum. :thumbsup:
Have you wonder why all these typical abuse ?
We either believe the claim or we don't.
We are not stupid.
We are mature enough not to be lured by marketers and/or scammers.
If you so stupidly part your money with internet strangers, too bad you pay the price for your own folly.
It's normal to be a loser in gambling.
Never be a sucker.
If it didn't work for you, too bad.
Catch is it will cost you to find out if it will work for you, it's not free.
If it looks like it won't work for you, why try ?
Never try in gambling.
You will surely lose 100%.
I repeat - if you try in gambling you will surely lose 100%. :)
If you itch for a bet, play fun money.
If you need money to pay your bills, get a job.
I'm a straight talker. Older than JL.
Take it easy mate. :love: All is well.
PB on craps? Pass don’t pass?
Bubble craps. Hmmmm
Quote from: cht on Feb 10, 09:39 AM 2018
I expected Kane to put one behind the net. Mkhitaran - Aubameyang did not deliver the goals today. :(
Watch Citey lose to Leicester later. :twisted:
0 for 2 today.
Betting against this Citeh team at the Emptyhad is a flat out irrational decision.
As I said before, just stick to roulette predictions.
Or that Clan Des Obeaux thing. >:D >:D
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 10, 03:02 PM 2018
PB on craps? Pass don’t pass?
Bubble craps. Hmmmm
Playing PB at bubble craps would be more much doable compared to table craps.
Two reasons:
1. Table craps does not provide electronic boards (unlike roulette and baccarat). So when you join there is no ready-made "history" of decisions to aid you with your tracking. You have to start tracking the decisions yourself from the very first Pass vs Don't Pass decision.
2. Because of the above, you will have to wait on average about 35 to 45 decisions before you get your first trigger. That is a lot of time waiting -- and tracking. And if it is a busy table, people are going to ask you to move aside (unless, of course, you are playing some other method at the same time that you are doing your tracking).
So bubble craps is the only practical option if we want to employ the PB method to Pass vs Don't Pass.
The problem is that these bubble craps machines are still not very common in US casinos (at least the ones that I have access to or visited).
>:( >:(
Agreed on that. Bubble craps it is
Plenty of that here on Long Island and metro NY since dealers are banned.
Quote from: cht on Feb 10, 11:47 AM 2018For plays at b&m casino, there's no possible proof.
Hi CHT
I have an idea that I think will help members of this forum in their own endeavour to use the knowledge freely shared here for their own advantage. We can all use guidance from those living the life making profits from the casino. When I am at a casino trying to use one or more of these systems to my advantage, sometimes I will fall into the gamblers trap and make irrational decisions. I get onto a losing streak and try chasing losses. I forget about money management and end the night thinking to myself why did I just lose $1K when I should have stopped at $200. I end up kicking myself for the rest of the week. So this forum is helping me stay level headed and I have a personal challenge to stop Gambling and start "investing" my money.
So I have set myself a challenge that I can grow a bankroll of $200 into a substantial one where I can withstand the odd loss without destroying my entire bankroll. So far I am at $560 after 1 week using PB and MV5 and 7 visits to my local casino. I have 2 days where I left the casino in the red. Fortunately, this was in the first couple of days when I was dry running the systems and betting low amounts for a loss of $9 and $4 respectively. The other visits all ended in profit. The amounts were relatively small compared to what some may be aiming for but JL described small profit well and I keep remembering these words "From acorns huge Oak Trees grow". Patience is the key. Yesterday I spent 4 hours at the casino and came up $23. These words kept ringing in my mind when I decided to leave rather than getting into the Gamblers habits of trying to get that one last win to leave a "BIG" winner and in the process blowing the bankroll.
So I will contribute to this forum with a personal diary of my trips to the casino. I will try to post some video of a session playing the systems showing the decisions I am making as it happens. I guess for those playing online could do the same recording their online sessions.
If this is something others feel will be helpful maybe we can setup another thread so as not to clog up this discussion. Your thoughts are welcome on how best we can help each other on our journey to profiting from these systems rather than just discussing and debating the merits of them.
In summary, I think we need to look at these systems as one component to a successful gambling career or second income:
1. A sound method like PB or MV5 and other good systems mentioned on this forum
2. Smart MM and progressions. This includes protecting profits and more importantly setting stop losses or BREAKS on losing streaks,
3. Above all, Discipline and Patience. DO NOT look for quick profits. But grow your bankroll slowly.
All the above make up the Holy Grail of winning roulette or any other game of chance. There is no system you can buy that is going to bypass all the above. YOU need to be part of the System. The method you deploy is just part of the tools you use to profit. The most important tool is your brain.
Having said that, I for one am trying to live up to these standards. This is part of my journey. We all need each other to help us keep on track and focused, and not stray back on the path of the Gambler lurking inside us.
PS. Sentinel recommended the Book "Roulette Playing to Win" by Brett Morton.
link:s://books.google.com.au/books?id=Opj0CQAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
I had a quick look at it in the above link and will purchase a copy. I am sure it will provide a wealth of information from one's experience of this endeavour. You may find it useful also.
Regards,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 10, 05:26 PM 2018
Hi CHT
I have an idea that I think will help members of this forum in their own endeavour to use the knowledge freely shared here for their own advantage. We can all use guidance from those living the life making profits from the casino. When I am at a casino trying to use one or more of these systems to my advantage, sometimes I will fall into the gamblers trap and make irrational decisions. I get onto a losing streak and try chasing losses. I forget about money management and end the night thinking to myself why did I just lose $1K when I should have stopped at $200. I end up kicking myself for the rest of the week. So this forum is helping me stay level headed and I have a personal challenge to stop Gambling and start "investing" my money.
So I have set myself a challenge that I can grow a bankroll of $200 into a substantial one where I can withstand the odd loss without destroying my entire bankroll. So far I am at $560 after 1 week using PB and MV5 and 7 visits to my local casino. I have 2 days where I left the casino in the red. Fortunately, this was in the first couple of days when I was dry running the systems and betting low amounts for a loss of $9 and $4 respectively. The other visits all ended in profit. The amounts were relatively small compared to what some may be aiming for but JL described small profit well and I keep remembering these words "From acorns huge Oak Trees grow". Patience is the key. Yesterday I spent 4 hours at the casino and came up $23. These words kept ringing in my mind when I decided to leave rather than getting into the Gamblers habits of trying to get that one last win to leave a "BIG" winner and in the process blowing the bankroll.
So I will contribute to this forum with a personal diary of my trips to the casino. I will try to post some video of a session playing the systems showing the decisions I am making as it happens. I guess for those playing online could do the same recording their online sessions.
If this is something others feel will be helpful maybe we can setup another thread so as not to clog up this discussion. Your thoughts are welcome on how best we can help each other on our journey to profiting from these systems rather than just discussing and debating the merits of them.
In summary, I think we need to look at these systems as one component to a successful gambling career or second income:
1. A sound method like PB or MV5 and other good systems mentioned on this forum
2. Smart MM and progressions. This includes protecting profits and more importantly setting stop losses or BREAKS on losing streaks,
3. Above all, Discipline and Patience. DO NOT look for quick profits. But grow your bankroll slowly.
All the above make up the Holy Grail of winning roulette or any other game of chance. There is no system you can buy that is going to bypass all the above. YOU need to be part of the System. The method you deploy is just part of the tools you use to profit. The most important tool is your brain.
Having said that, I for one am trying to live up to these standards. This is part of my journey. We all need each other to help us keep on track and focused, and not stray back on the path of the Gambler lurking inside us.
PS. Sentinel recommended the Book "Roulette Playing to Win" by Brett Morton.
link:s://books.google.com.au/books?id=Opj0CQAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
I had a quick look at it in the above link and will purchase a copy. I am sure it will provide a wealth of information from one's experience of this endeavour. You may find it useful also.
Regards,
Ricky
Very good post Ricky. Very good...
Systems are systems. They will win and lose
It takes a skilled player to use the tools required to make profits consistently
Bots and graphs mean nothing in real world play
Seriously, they are ridiculous.
Sit at an airball or live wheel and do what you need to do to make some units and stop.
The bot will lose at all times
On a negative expectation game the graph will have ups and downs while trending down over a million spins
So when you play stop when it’s up
Do that everytime and after 11 years you will be up :)
Stop on profit and a million spin downward trend graph means nothing
Lots of smart people here and I cannot understand why they don’t comprehend how useless those long term graphs are.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 10, 06:00 PM 2018Bots and graphs mean nothing in real world play
Seriously, they are ridiculous.
Hi RouletteGost,
in one sense you are right if you are trying to use their million spin test to prove a system is "flawed" or will not beat the game. But the value they do have is seeing whether a system does produce significant periods of uptrend or whether it has NO uptrend at all. Flatbetting for example is NEVER going to be a good progression because the odds are stacked against the player and the rules favour the casino. A BOT test will prove this. So you need to build in some smart MM rules and progressions to get ahead. This is the value of the BOT. Does one Progression method (positive or negative) have any advantage over flat betting? Or does one progression, say Martingale, work better than another, say D'Alambert?
We can use this information to confirm or discount our real play. eg the BOT I am running at the moment is showing that in small bursts of 300-400 spins PB is holding up. It does have those losing streaks that wipe out a significant amount of profit but this just proves that hit and run is of value to using this method.
One test we can do using a BOT is to let it run for a certain profit target or number of wins/losses and then switch to another system which will make completely different bets for the next 300 or so spins. Then switch back to the original system for another 300+ spins. This test will see if it really does pay to use multiple systems when playing long term. My goal is to find a holy grail system which combines multiple systems and progressions and adjusts itself to the current state of play. So the system should learn how to react in certain situations. Like if you see a streak of the same color or other E/C result being formed, would it not make sense to employ a positive progression method (10,10,15,20,30,40,50,60,70....) and ride the streak betting WITH the streak until it finally ends. In this case you dump the current method your using and ride the streak. You've got nothing to lose but your first small bet. But you've got everything to gain if a streak of 3 reds grows into a streak of 18 reds using the casinos money to fund the next bet. I've seen this many times, including the other day when a streak of 14 blacks turned into another streak of 12 reds followed by another streak of 10 blacks. It was amazing to watch but silly of me for not deploying the above method. I would have walked out of the casino several hundred up for a risk of $10. But I was testing PB so let it pass, smiling in disbelieve.
Well you can test the above method out using a BOT and if (and I tested, it does) hold water you can use it next time you are playing for real.
Regards,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 10, 05:26 PM 2018
Hi CHT
I have an idea that I think will help members of this forum in their own endeavour to use the knowledge freely shared here for their own advantage. We can all use guidance from those living the life making profits from the casino. When I am at a casino trying to use one or more of these systems to my advantage, sometimes I will fall into the gamblers trap and make irrational decisions. I get onto a losing streak and try chasing losses. I forget about money management and end the night thinking to myself why did I just lose $1K when I should have stopped at $200. I end up kicking myself for the rest of the week. So this forum is helping me stay level headed and I have a personal challenge to stop Gambling and start "investing" my money.
So I have set myself a challenge that I can grow a bankroll of $200 into a substantial one where I can withstand the odd loss without destroying my entire bankroll. So far I am at $560 after 1 week using PB and MV5 and 7 visits to my local casino. I have 2 days where I left the casino in the red. Fortunately, this was in the first couple of days when I was dry running the systems and betting low amounts for a loss of $9 and $4 respectively. The other visits all ended in profit. The amounts were relatively small compared to what some may be aiming for but JL described small profit well and I keep remembering these words "From acorns huge Oak Trees grow". Patience is the key. Yesterday I spent 4 hours at the casino and came up $23. These words kept ringing in my mind when I decided to leave rather than getting into the Gamblers habits of trying to get that one last win to leave a "BIG" winner and in the process blowing the bankroll.
So I will contribute to this forum with a personal diary of my trips to the casino. I will try to post some video of a session playing the systems showing the decisions I am making as it happens. I guess for those playing online could do the same recording their online sessions.
If this is something others feel will be helpful maybe we can setup another thread so as not to clog up this discussion. Your thoughts are welcome on how best we can help each other on our journey to profiting from these systems rather than just discussing and debating the merits of them.
In summary, I think we need to look at these systems as one component to a successful gambling career or second income:
1. A sound method like PB or MV5 and other good systems mentioned on this forum
2. Smart MM and progressions. This includes protecting profits and more importantly setting stop losses or BREAKS on losing streaks,
3. Above all, Discipline and Patience. DO NOT look for quick profits. But grow your bankroll slowly.
All the above make up the Holy Grail of winning roulette or any other game of chance. There is no system you can buy that is going to bypass all the above. YOU need to be part of the System. The method you deploy is just part of the tools you use to profit. The most important tool is your brain.
Having said that, I for one am trying to live up to these standards. This is part of my journey. We all need each other to help us keep on track and focused, and not stray back on the path of the Gambler lurking inside us.
PS. Sentinel recommended the Book "Roulette Playing to Win" by Brett Morton.
link:s://books.google.com.au/books?id=Opj0CQAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
I had a quick look at it in the above link and will purchase a copy. I am sure it will provide a wealth of information from one's experience of this endeavour. You may find it useful also.
Regards,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
I think since some of us play JL PB and some others play 3series patterns variants, they are almost the same. So, I recommend we do discussions on pattern play on this thread, I believe sentinel will not object.
Yes I agree that we share experience of real play, encourage and help each other along this same common journey.
I made quite a number of posts earlier to cover individual topics that you mention.
It all comes back to what our aim is - hobby, second income or full-time professional - the higher that level the more serious and stringent the requirement has to be.
There are a number of key points I like to share that's fundamental requirement to our success some of which some of you may not agree going by the posts that you make earlier -
1. You need to play in line with what the math statistics say. A lot has been posted on both sides about this, each of us voicing our opinion.
Fact is, math statistics is not based on opinion. It's a scientific fact.
However, it depends on whether we apply this math statistics appropriately or not. Whether we know the cause or not is not the determinant. Math statistics will still apply with or without this knowledge of cause why a certain anomaly occur.
Specific on this revised JL PB, the model he plays is complex from a math statistics point of view, especially the real time discretionary decisions he executes to play his game. So, it's not possible to write a test program to exactly model his daily play. However, we can create a test model of playing all signals, including his fifo basis approach to determine which EC game he would play. In this case, denzie is correct that the result will be negative around the HE number.
So by extension, the selective hit and run play should yield the same results when played itlr.Unless, this hit and run approach has a math statistics basis why when applied will yield a positive edge. I cannot think of one. This is my honest humble opinion. Denzie is not negative, he felt responsible enough to highlight this point in the midst of this current winning euphoria.
To be continued next post.....
2. I made a post about optimising the bet, taking sentinel's recent result as example. This is an important step to make, ie. optimise the bet.
Many people just play this 1/2/4 progression because winners come inside this 3spins. However, as I pointed out earlier, this 1st bet does not yield profit instead it's a net loss bet.
This means that we should not bet the 1st spin, instead wait for a virtual loss then bet either 1/1 or 1/2 for the 2nd and 3rd spin.
We bet less times and from practical pov we have more time to place the bets giving less mistakes. Another significant difference will apear as we approach max table limit.
Eg. Table limit of $2000
For 1/2/4/8 - 250/500/1000/2000
For 1/2/4 - 500/1000/2000
For 1/2 - 1000/2000
For 1/1 - 2000/2000
I have this specific reason in mind why I choose this 1/1 bet size besides the other reasons I outlined above for my method.
For revised JL PB, you guys need to find out the frequency distribution of your winners how they come in to determine whether your current 1/2/4 can be optimised or not.
To be continued....
Hi CHT, Firstly, thanks for your feedback. I appreciate everyone's views and constructive criticism to better improve my game.
Quote from: cht on Feb 10, 06:58 PM 2018It all comes back to what our aim is - hobby, second income or full-time professional - the higher that level the more serious and stringent the requirement has to be.
My own goal is to replace my current 9-5 job, which pays the bills and supports my lifestyle, with alternate sources of "passive" income. I am approaching my 50's and looking to retire from the workforce before the age of 65 if I can replace my current income with the same amount from my investments. I am working to treat the winnings from gambling as a business where I can treat the casino like an ATM. I like to travel but do not get the time or have the discretionary finances to fund it. So, if I can fun a trip to Europe or Vegas using my profit from playing roulette or baccarat that will be a bonus to mastering this game. I guess that's why they call professional gamblers Advantage Players. They employ techniques that give them an edge and they can then profit from it to sustain an income.
I have spent the last year researching and am now at the stage where I want to prove to myself what I have learned has not been a waste of time and a dream that will never be fulfilled.
Quote from: cht on Feb 10, 06:58 PM 2018So by extension, the selective hit and run play should yield the same results when played itlr.Unless, this hit and run approach has a math statistics basis why when applied will yield a positive edge.
In terms of Hit and Run you could use the analogy of being in a storm and dodging those lightning strikes that could harm or kill you. So go out take your profits and get out of the storm before lightning hits. A successful system does not have to be one that withstands 24+ hours of "continuous" play. You will never do this unless you are a "gambler" and are doing it for other reasons like fulfilling an addiction. So if a system withstands a 1-4 hour session of play with a few "toilet breaks" in between for a meal and refreshments then its a good system in my book if its making significant short term profits to meet your goals.
Cheers,
Ricky
(I wrote a long post and it got lost while posting. >:( )
It's about the loss streak related to the win rate of our method. This loss streak can be calculated - I posted the link earlier.
If we play with too large br than necessary, it will take a longer time to gradually nudge up our bet size.
If we play with too small br, the loss streak will cause us to lose our br.
This means we have to play at the correct size br to survive the loss streak at the same time allow us to grow our bet size at optimal rate.
Quote from: cht on Feb 10, 07:39 PM 2018This means we have to play at the correct size br to survive the loss streak at the same time allow us to grow our bet size at optimal rate.
Very true CHT. Its about risk vs reward. Why use Martingale progression to risk $1000 for $1 profit. Thats insane. But I have been there, done that. I learnt the hard way. When I first started using systems to play, I was being a gambler and thought I could not lose using this Martingale. The wheel could not possibly spin 15 reds in a row. Ill be smart. Put $1000 in the machine and started betting "Black". My first bet of the night. Oh Red came. That's OK I thought. Just double my stake then next one surely will be black. No , red came out. Kept doing this blindly thinking Black was Due. Lost $700 before realizing this is crazy and went home a loser.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 10, 07:48 PM 2018
Very true CHT. Its about risk vs reward. Why use Martingale progression to risk $1000 for $1 profit. Thats insane. But I have been there, done that. I learnt the hard way. When I first started using systems to play, I was being a gambler and thought I could not lose using this Martingale. The wheel could not possibly spin 15 reds in a row. Ill be smart. Put $1000 in the machine and started betting "Black". My first bet of the night. Oh Red came. That's OK I thought. Just double my stake then next one surely will be black. No , red came out. Kept doing this blindly thinking Black was Due. Lost $700 before realizing this is crazy and went home a loser.
Cheers,
Ricky
I believe all of us started as out and out gamblers. Lose playing the infallible marty to learn the lesson the hard way. Now we have gained knowledge and grown wiser. :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 10, 03:05 PM 2018
0 for 2 today.
Betting against this Citeh team at the Emptyhad is a flat out irrational decision.
As I said before, just stick to roulette predictions.
Or that Clan Des Obeaux thing. >:D >:D
I don't like citeh that's the oil soaked team with no fans. Emptyheads will not go very far.
Furthermore, Pep's a fake. Every club he manage gives him the open cheque book. He's a coward, he will not accept challenges to rebuild teams laden with existing problems.
I applaud Leceister for putting the ball behind the net. Clap, clap, clap.
Prediction for citeh next game - lose. :)
Cheltenham Gold Cup is an exciting event on the racing calender. Don't miss it. :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 10, 06:00 PM 2018
Systems are systems. They will win and lose
It takes a skilled player to use the tools required to make profits consistently
Bots and graphs mean nothing in real world play
Seriously, they are ridiculous.
Sit at an airball or live wheel and do what you need to do to make some units and stop.
The bot will lose at all times
On a negative expectation game the graph will have ups and downs while trending down over a million spins
So when you play stop when it’s up
Do that everytime and after 11 years you will be up :)
Stop on profit and a million spin downward trend graph means nothing
Lots of smart people here and I cannot understand why they don’t comprehend how useless those long term graphs are.
RG I couldnt have put it better myself. Brilliant post.
Here's a idea.
As an extra EC to bet on...look at the
marquee for the last three natural lines to show.
(Natural lines: L1-6, L7-12,
L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36
12,25,3 (newest spin-value)-L7-12, L25-30, L1-6=A.)
chose the other three natural lines as B.)
then resume PB as usual: AAA, ABB, BAB...
This way, each time random chooses the EC (could be an edge)
*you will need 21 units instead of the usual seven this way however
Cheers :thumbsup:
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 10, 11:06 PM 2018
Here's a idea.
As an extra EC to bet on...look at the
marquee for the last three natural lines to show.
(Natural lines: L1-6, L7-12,
L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36
12,25,3 (newest spin-value)-L7-12, L25-30, L1-6=A.)
chose the other three natural lines as B.)
then resume PB as usual: AAA, ABB, BAB...
This way, each time random chooses the EC (could be an edge)
*you will need 21 units instead of the usual seven this way however
Cheers :thumbsup:
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you Proofreader for the share. I have got the same idea.
Now we have total 10 patterns in our hands.
Thanks.
🛑PATTERN BREAKER REVISED🛑
Summary of results so far.
GAMES PLAYED=425
GAMES WON=400
GAMES LOST=25
STRIKERATE=16--1
BREAK EVEN=7--1
LONGEST WINNING STREAK=38 GAMES
2ND LONGEST WINNING STREAK=31 GAMES (CURRENT)
🌍FIRST GAME OF THE DAY🌍
GAMES PLAYED=50
GAMES WON=48
GAMES LOST=02
STRIKERATE=24--1
BREAK EVEN=7--1
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 30 DAYS
(CURRENT)
These are my stats since revising PATTERN BREAKER December last year. Its going really well.
Hi sentinel3,
All I can say is WOW!
I've nearly finished the very simple PB console prog that tracks the 9 patterns I mentioned.
Basically - you input roulette spin outcome numbers in sets of 3; the prog tells you to bet against a combo when its the last remaining one to occur in that pattern... then it resets that pattern. It will still continue to advise on other patterns that have yet to qualify too...
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 11, 11:41 AM 2018
Hi sentinel3,
All I can say is WOW!
I've nearly finished the very simple PB console prog that tracks the 9 patterns I mentioned.
Basically - you input roulette spin outcome numbers in sets of 3; the prog tells you to bet against a combo when its the last remaining one to occur in that pattern... then it resets that pattern. It will still continue to advise on other patterns that have yet to qualify too...
A.
Atlantis my friend, always appreciate your creativity in searching for strong BUT PLAYABLE,AFFORDABLE systems. Please PM me the rules and structure of your latest creation. I would like to test it for myself. Im still testing 3 STRIKES. :thumbsup:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 11, 12:11 PM 2018
Atlantis my friend, always appreciate your creativity in searching for strong BUT PLAYABLE,AFFORDABLE systems. Please PM me the rules and structure of your latest creation. I would like to test it for myself. Im still testing 3 STRIKES. :thumbsup:
Hi sentinel3,
The rules are the same as PB rules, hopefully same way as you play it...
You enter the numbers; it tells you the moment only one combo is missing from any of the 9x8 patterns stored.
Here is a pic to show u what I mean...
A.
PS. There were 2 other earlier qualifiers from different patterns before the picture trigger - both won
First game of the day won today in ladbrokes. Came back from a long day today. Playing the remaining 4 games now. Spins below.
? Once you lose 1 2 4 =7 then what
Quote from: Winner on Feb 11, 09:16 PM 2018
? Once you lose 1 2 4 =7 then what
You have two options. You can double stakes for one game immediately afterwards. Or carry on with the same progression level.
PB works because it wins above its break even level of 7--1 odds. Im currently on 16--1...
heres an idea... since there are soooooo many wins ...why not double up after the first win????? ....then begin a new session......just a thought
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 11, 11:10 PM 2018
heres an idea... since there are soooooo many wins ...why not double up after the first win????? ....then begin a new session......just a thought
Hi K.O.T
So you are saying you win a game. Double on the next and then drop down from the third game?
Thats an option. The reason I advise to double for one game after a loss K
O.T. Is because back to back losses rarely happen. Ive only had 21 back to back losses in 14,102 games over 11 years. So you see why Im confident to raise immediately upon a loss.
i do.......those are some amazing statements
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 12, 01:23 AM 2018
i do.......those are some amazing statements
Pattern Breaker is one of the best if not the best percentage grinders. Its not some fairytale get rich scheme. All it asks of you, is to stick with it. And most people are too lazy to even play 100 games. Which is why they will never know this is the real deal.
After 14,000 plus games and seeing the same consistency year in year out. I have absolute faith in PB. And now in its revised form its even stronger. The best 100 game break down Ive ever had in 11 years. Is 94 wins 6 losses in 2016. I have a feeling that record is going to be matched or broken in the near future. As of this morning I am on a winning streak of 32 straight games.
If I lose 5 out of the next 68 ive matched one time, alltime record. If I lose 4 ive broken it. Exciting times...
My little streak is over at 12 wins then a loss. Playing max of 2 games per session.
I think if you play a recovery bet on the same ECs that lost in very next game is a good bet. its never lost for me yet. I only go to x2 or x3 stakes as im playing tight and abit safe...knowing i dont need to risk lots of my bankroll to recover a losing bet as the streaks will recover the loss anyway.
Cheers
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 09, 04:10 AM 2018
Care to give clues to your golden method in another thread?
No clues. Either I post the entire system or nothing.
No guess the grail stuff. No more updates of my real play or demo on roulettesimulator that will attract unnecessary baiting accusations.
My final word about pattern play.
It's the best ever. Nothing beats it. Not even close. Works on all EC games. :thumbsup:
It's right under your noses. Look hard at all 8 patterns. It's there. It's worth your time looking for it. This is the strongest hint I give to you(rhetoric) in return.
If steve catch me reply to PMs about pattern play, feel free to ban me.
No more post about pattern play below this line. :)
--------------------------*****-------------------------------
Been a long time guys but I went back to playing craps and its a much slower game.
I have played the Pattern Breaker with craps with some very good results, as some may know craps is an almost 50 50 game the 12 on the don't pass is a push you don't lose your wager you just don't get paid a profit.
I have included a sheet that I tested PB to see how it would work for craps................this is with my throwing station with real dice and it took three hours to get the results you see on the sheet, man patience and disciplined is the KEY.
Any word on my old buddy Lanky I have not spoken to him in years.
Stuart Brandt
I just read this hmmmmm.
One reason casinos have thrived over the past 30 years is mainly because of the tremendous publicity given to gambling systems. People with a lot of money and a little skill flock to the tables more than willing to take a sporting risk on what could be a very lucrative proposition. Gambling in general attracts a lot of people with the yelling of players, and the high-5’s of the players. Most drop their bankroll in a very short time.
Make no mistake about it. These players who consistently lose while gambling are absolutely necessary to your success and survival. They provide the enormous profits to the casino that keep the games alive. It is their money that you take away with you from the tables.
Your greatest asset in learning to use and to profit from the tables must be discipline. At all times your play must be DISCIPLINED, in line with your winning methods. Remember that when you go to the tables the casino has their particular attitude or goal, which is to relieve you of your money as quickly as possible. Once you have the knowledge and the skills to beat them, you must maintain an attitude of unwavering confidence. If you know you will win, YOU WILL WIN!
To become a winning player you must learn slowly and thoroughly. There is no other way. You must follow the rules to the letter. The time will come when you will play like a professional, and you will truly have a solid, guaranteed income whether you play on a full-time or part-time level.
Taking a very cautious approach as it involves good money. Played 3 games in total today. All won. Stats at the end of day 2. At william hill lost 2 pounds unnecesarily when opening the application and dropped two pounds on the table >:(. Now will use the other two accounts as well, which will make it 5 casinos in total.
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Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 12, 10:11 AM 2018
I just read this hmmmmm.
One reason casinos have thrived over the past 30 years is mainly because of the tremendous publicity given to gambling systems. People with a lot of money and a little skill flock to the tables more than willing to take a sporting risk on what could be a very lucrative proposition. Gambling in general attracts a lot of people with the yelling of players, and the high-5’s of the players. Most drop their bankroll in a very short time.
Make no mistake about it. These players who consistently lose while gambling are absolutely necessary to your success and survival. They provide the enormous profits to the casino that keep the games alive. It is their money that you take away with you from the tables.
Your greatest asset in learning to use and to profit from the tables must be discipline. At all times your play must be DISCIPLINED, in line with your winning methods. Remember that when you go to the tables the casino has their particular attitude or goal, which is to relieve you of your money as quickly as possible. Once you have the knowledge and the skills to beat them, you must maintain an attitude of unwavering confidence. If you know you will win, YOU WILL WIN!
To become a winning player you must learn slowly and thoroughly. There is no other way. You must follow the rules to the letter. The time will come when you will play like a professional, and you will truly have a solid, guaranteed income whether you play on a full-time or part-time level.
Great post BM. And so true.
Without DISCIPLINE just STAY AT HOME...
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 12, 10:34 AM 2018
Taking a very cautious approach as it involves good money. Played 3 games in total today. All won. Stats at the end of day 2. At william hill lost 2 pounds unnecesarily when opening the application and dropped two pounds on the table >:(. Now will use the other two accounts as well, which will make it 5 casinos in total.
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Well done TS are you counting back no more than 10 numbers each site?
You are going off a bit high for my liking though. I recommend 0.5% of your bankroll as your base bet. Not 5%. Lol.
Since you have £18 in the pot already. I would drop to a £1 base bet until you lose then raise again for a few games.
That way you maximize wins minimize losses.
Alternativelty do like I do bet more on that first game and a third of that on the remaining games 😎
The main ingredient to win is to have a winning method. Rest of things like discipline etc will add to it. Without a winning method rest doesn’t matter. I could be doing a disciplined Marty of 1-2-4, but if am not having a winning method I will easily part with my money. Where lot of us are struggling is to have a method that wins.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 12, 11:29 AM 2018
The main ingredient to win is to have a winning method. Rest of things like discipline etc will add to it. Without a winning method rest doesn’t matter. I could be doing a disciplined Marty of 1-2-4, but if am not having a winning method I will easily part with my money. Where lot of us are struggling is to have a method that wins.
TS thats true. But believe it or not you can still lose money with a WINNING METHOD.
REAL EXAMPLE..One of my friends who I taught PB too was IMPATIENT. He had won 12 games in a row with just £1.00 stakes from a £200 roll. Anyway he rings me a week later. And tells me he has spunked over half his entire Bank.
Only £75.00 left.
I said WTF. How have you managed that you had £212.00 6 days ago. He replied I had won 15 times in a row..thought this thing will never lose.
So the idiot starts betting £10--20--40
From a £215.00 pot. Of course you know what happened. He loses two games close together
Thats where the DISCIPLINE IS NEEDED. In tight MONEY MANAGEMENT.
:lol: that was me in early 20s but id have lost the lot... Chasing trying to get back to £200 +
Knowing that you HAVE to take the loss now and then is the hardest part of the game.
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 12, 11:47 AM 2018
:lol: that was me in early 20s but id have lost the lot... Chasing trying to get back to £200 +
Knowing that you HAVE to take the loss now and then is the hardest part of the game.
Thats right Apolloo..I will say this for the 1000th time.
🛑ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT FAILS FIRST. ITS THE PERSON PLAYING IT🛑
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 11:22 AM 2018
Well done TS are you counting back no more than 10 numbers each site?
Only 10 numbers.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 11:22 AM 2018
You are going off a bit high for my liking though. I recommend 0.5% of your bankroll as your base bet. Not 5%. Lol.
We discussed this sentinel. You mentioned and vouched that this method will never lose in 100 games. To not lose in 100 games, it cannot lose more than 12 games. So 100 unit should be sufficient as a bankroll. I do have 100 unit across the 5 casinos. 20 unit in each. If I lose in one I will reshuffle. So my base bet is 1% of my bankroll.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 11:22 AM 2018
Alternativelty do like I do bet more on that first game and a third of that on the remaining games 😎
No problems thanks for the hint. So from tomorrow on, 15£ on first game and 5£ on remaining games. So do you alter the bet size if you lose the first game of the day?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 12, 12:10 PM 2018
Only 10 numbers.
We discussed this sentinel. You mentioned and vouched that this method will never lose in 100 games. To not lose in 100 games, it cannot lose more than 12 games. So 100 unit should be sufficient as a bankroll. I do have 100 unit across the 5 casinos. 20 unit in each. If I lose in one I will reshuffle. So my base bet is 1% of my bankroll.
No problems thanks for the hint. So from tomorrow on, 15£ on first game and 5£ on remaining games. So do you alter the bet size if you lose the first game of the day?
No TS over time you will hit a handsome win streak. And all losses will be recouped. That said im still not comfortable with your starting bet size. I recommend 0.5% of your roll as your base bet.
If you have £500 across 5 accounts £3 units would be a good start.
If you hit streak half as good as the ones im on you will be laughing. Are you covering the ZERO on at least the third step?
See its important especially if you are betting 15--30--60. Thats 105 quid at risk. The worst feeling in the world is to lose all that to a zero on the third. Ive been there. And always cover the third step.
If you ever get a perfect storm 7 patterns in 21 spins. I recommend you cover the zero on ALL THREE STEPS. This is the bet to go big with. I had one an hour ago. And bet 4 times my normal amount on it and won step 1.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 12:17 PM 2018
No TS over time you will hit a handsome win streak. And all losses will be recouped. That said im still not comfortable with your starting bet size. I recommend 0.5% of your roll as your base bet.
Don’t worry mate. I have 1000 at my disposal for this. Even if it is not in the casino. So all good. It is still 0.5% of the bankroll as base bet.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 12:17 PM 2018
If you hit streak half as good as the ones im on you will be laughing. Are you covering the ZERO on at least the third step?
Haven’t reached third step yet. But yes. Will do. I think I will write up step up by step all the rules today so that you can validate it.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 12:17 PM 2018
If you ever get a perfect storm 7 patterns in 21 spins. I recommend you cover the zero on ALL THREE STEPS. This is the bet to go big with. I had one an hour ago. And bet 4 times my normal amount on it and won step 1.
This is new. I am sure you have lot of other things that you do which is different from what you have written here which is leading to your wins. Do you agree?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 12, 12:29 PM 2018
Don’t worry mate. I have 1000 at my disposal for this. Even if it is not in the casino. So all good. It is still 0.5% of the bankroll as base bet.
Haven’t reached third step yet. But yes. Will do. I think I will write up step up by step all the rules today so that you can validate it.
This is new. I am sure you have lot of other things that you do which is different from what you have written here which is leading to your wins. Do you agree?
No TS no special sauce lol. The perfect storm only happens about once every 30 to 40 games. But its a sweet deal. And helps to push your bank up faster. I didnt mention it in the revised system because its a specialist opportunist bet. But im just advising you how to approach it if you get one.
It is a HG if you had the patience. To wait for it..I have 268 on record from 14,000 odd games. Not a single loss among them. Although I have seen one lose. But seeing one lose and being on one that loses are two very different things. And WHAT MADE IT LOSE WAS A 🛑ZERO🛑 Thats why you must cover the zero...
must go into pattern breaker knowing you may suffer several 7 unit losses
the win streaks will make up for it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 12, 12:36 PM 2018
must go into pattern breaker knowing you may suffer several 7 unit losses
the win streaks will make up for it
Its a strange animal RG. When I first started playing it. I had 4 losses in 12 games. If I was a quitter type. I would have stopped right there.
What happened next was three consecutive winning streaks in excess of 15 games. And things rebalanced and the BANK went into profit. And I havent looked back since.
Over a 100 game sample I have experienced two extremes. MY BEST RESULT 94 WINS 6 LOSSES.
MY WORST RESULT 89 WINS 11 LOSSES.
THE AVERAGE RESULT 92 WINS 8 LOSSES...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 12:42 PM 2018
MY BEST RESULT 94 WINS 6 LOSSES.
Out of curiosity am sure you would have seen this best result multiple times. Would you have records of how many times you have seen this in the last 14000 games you have played.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 12, 02:12 PM 2018
Out of curiosity am sure you would have seen this best result multiple times. Would you have records of how many times you have seen this in the last 14000 games you have played.
TS thats the BEST result ever. REMEMBER Over 13.500 of my games were played on just HIGH LOW.
Now that I am tracking all 3 even chances i have no doubt I will do that many more times. And even beat it.
The most POPULAR SPLIT IS 92--8
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 12, 02:12 PM 2018
Out of curiosity am sure you would have seen this best result multiple times. Would you have records of how many times you have seen this in the last 14000 games you have played.
Havent got time now to go through the whole 14k plus. This is the performance of the last 1000 games. 10 times 100.
91--9
92--8
93--7
90-10
92-8
93-7
94-6
93-7
92-8
93-7
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 04:06 PM 2018
Havent got time now to go through the whole 14k plus. This is the performance of the last 1000 games. 10 times 100.
91--9
92--8
93--7
90-10
92-8
93-7
94-6
93-7
92-8
93-7
? Are those wins to loss ratio. Thanks in advance
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 04:06 PM 2018
Havent got time now to go through the whole 14k plus. This is the performance of the last 1000 games. 10 times 100.
91--9
92--8
93--7
90-10
92-8
93-7
94-6
93-7
92-8
93-7
very consistent
great strategy provided you have patience
for me i dont have a lot of time in my life, so id need to use $100 units
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 04:06 PM 2018
Havent got time now to go through the whole 14k plus. This is the performance of the last 1000 games. 10 times 100.
91--9
92--8
93--7
90-10
92-8
93-7
94-6
93-7
92-8
93-7
Fantastic results sentinel. Is the last 4 94-6, 93-7, 92-8 and 93-7 tracking all 3 ECs from your 400 odd games. Wow, amazing Dramatic improvement from Just tracking HL which is before that.
question
so you track all 3 EC and whatever qualifies first you bet that I know, but then do you retrack or do you keep going until the other 2 EC have betting opportunities?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 12, 05:02 PM 2018
Fantastic results sentinel. Is the last 4 94-6, 93-7, 92-8 and 93-7 tracking all 3 ECs from your 400 odd games. Wow, amazing Dramatic improvement from Just tracking HL which is before that.
Yes TS tracking all three is likely to improve the strikerate.
I would expect to break 94--6 at some point. With my current winning streak of 34 straight games. I have no idea how long that streak might go on for.
You have to understand that with random choosing the bet,
Its steering me away from the losing game more often. You see there are 4 losing games in the sets that i tracked to get that 34 game streak. BUT THEY WERENT THE 🛑FIRST TO QUALIFY🛑. Thats the trick here. Whereas before I would just stick to HIGH LOW. Two of the losses are HIGH LOW.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 12, 05:12 PM 2018
question
so you track all 3 EC and whatever qualifies first you bet that I know, but then do you retrack or do you keep going until the other 2 EC have betting opportunities?
No RG the objective is to get one win from each set. As I said in my previous post. THERE ARE STILL LOSSES HAPPENING IN A SET. But most of the time they arent the FIRST TO QUALIFY.
Thats the beauty here.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 12, 08:45 AM 2018
Been a long time guys but I went back to playing craps and its a much slower game.
I have played the Pattern Breaker with craps with some very good results, as some may know craps is an almost 50 50 game the 12 on the don't pass is a push you don't lose your wager you just don't get paid a profit.
I have included a sheet that I tested PB to see how it would work for craps................this is with my throwing station with real dice and it took three hours to get the results you see on the sheet, man patience and disciplined is the KEY.
Any word on my old buddy Lanky I have not spoken to him in years.
Stuart Brandt
Craps is a totally random, non-dependant, negative expectancy game of chance. Which means the casino knows over the long haul they have the mathematical advantage over the player. Theoretically, if a player gambles continuously for weeks, months, and years, his bankroll is destined to ruin by the casino’s build in win advantage or “vigorish.†However, as an intelligent, knowledgeable, and disciplined player and precision shooter, things are not as forbidding as the mathematicians would lead one to believe. First, the player will not be playing continuously 24 hours per day every day. He will limit his time and capital exposure, then use his methods to maximize his chance to capture a profitable trend in the ebb and flow of craps decisions. Always, the player will employ smart money management to conserve and protect his bankroll against adverse trends in the game. Realistically, the player should experience many trips to the casino with profitable results.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 05:29 PM 2018
No RG the objective is to get one win from each set. As I said in my previous post. THERE ARE STILL LOSSES HAPPENING IN A SET. But most of the time they arent the FIRST TO QUALIFY.
Thats the beauty here.
having trouble completely understanding
not your fault
so you track the 3 EC, then you bet the first EC that has one pattern remaining...then that is it? you are done? or you can sit and wait for the other 2 to qualify?
thanks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 12, 07:32 PM 2018
having trouble completely understanding
not your fault
so you track the 3 EC, then you bet the first EC that has one pattern remaining...then that is it? you are done? or you can sit and wait for the other 2 to qualify?
thanks
You are done RG. You shut it down and come back later or got to another site/table...
There's no difference you play one spin for 100 days or 100 spins in one day.
Gambler's Fallacy
But you can try to avoid the variance changing the table or giving it a break in each bet
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 13, 02:16 AM 2018
There's no difference you play one spin for 100 days or 100 spins in one day.
Gambler's Fallacy
But you can try to avoid the variance changing the table or giving it a break in each bet
It works giving it a break or changing the site/table. Or else I wouldnt be doing it simple as that.
All that matters to me is that when i play a 100 games of PB. I hit my percentage target of an average of 92 wins 8 losses. I will leave all the arguments about variance house edge and the rest to people who cant even stay with a system for a 100 games. So will never know this game can be beaten year in year out by a mechanical system like PB...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 12, 05:20 PM 2018
Yes TS tracking all three is likely to improve the strikerate.
Are you sure sentinel you are not making any mistakes in tracking your statistics? May be the low winrate is down to your way of writing statistics which are wrong and actually you may be getting better stats. What you think ?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 13, 04:40 AM 2018
Are you sure sentinel you are not making any mistakes in tracking your statistics? May be the low winrate is down to your way of writing statistics which are wrong and actually you may be getting better stats. What you think ?
No TS. What low winrate? You dont think an average of 92--8 is decent?
Remember im only into my 5th 100 with the revised system. And as I write this im 35--0. That means if I lose 5 games in the next 65. An average of 12--1 (very achievable). I have a new record of 95-5. I will take that TS.
That would represent 60 pure units of profit. Without ever raising the progression. My best ever profit margin. Now imagine those units are worth £100 each. You are laughing.
You said your last 400 games win rate is 94-6, 93-7, 92-8 and 93-7. That means you have lost 28 games in the last 400. You also mentioned earlier
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 11, 07:22 AM 2018
Summary of results so far.
GAMES PLAYED=425
GAMES WON=400
GAMES LOST=25
This means you would have got the best of 94-6 at least three times in the last 4 100 games. Worst case scenario. But you seem to deny it. So I thought the stats you are saying doesn’t marry up and you need help with your stats.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 13, 05:40 AM 2018
You said your last 400 games win rate is 94-6, 93-7, 92-8 and 93-7. That means you have lost 28 games in the last 400. You also mentioned earlier
This means you would have got the best of 94-6 at least three times in the last 4 100 games. Worst case scenario. But you seem to deny it. So I thought the stats you are saying doesn’t marry up and you need help ?Because im on an INCREDIBLE winning streak right now of 35 straight games. Its offset those stats UNTIL I complete 500 games. Are you with me?
If I had just given you the breakdown for the 400 games as I did yesterday. Those individual breakdowns should be 435--28. So I was out by three games over my last post.
When I divide a all the losses into the winners over 11 years. The average right now is 92--8. But thats going to improve for sure as play more games of the revised system.
I think you have a better strike rate that you portray. Whichever way you look at you seem to have hit three 94-6 or better in your last 425 games you started since December. So your stats are wrong. Even if you are on an incredible strike rate it should make better and not worse as your have given 94-6, 93-7, 92-8, and 93-7. Your stats doesn’t seem right.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 13, 06:17 AM 2018
I think you have a better strike rate that you portray. Whichever way you look at you seem to have hit three 94-6 or better in your last 425 games you started since December. So your stats are wrong. Even if you are on an incredible strike rate it should make better and not worse as your have given 94-6, 93-7, 92-8, and 93-7. Your stats doesn’t seem right.
TS I made an era with my last update okay it should have been 397--28. Can you ever forgive me?.
Its going to be a better strikerate. Im 35--0 in my latest 100 THE BEST START EVER!!
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 13, 06:22 AM 2018
TS I made an era with my last update okay it should have been 397--28.
No problems mate. I don’t want you to be under portraying your stats, that’s all. At the end of day if you are getting 17-1 or 18-1 instead of 13- it is sweet isn’t it.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 13, 06:30 AM 2018
No problems mate. I don’t want you to be under portraying your stats, that’s all. At the end of day if you are getting 17-1 or 18-1 instead of 13- it is sweet isn’t it.
Yes it is TS how did ur 1st game go with £15?
sentinal let me see if i have your method right........we sit at the table and track all 3 ec we wait for the last pattern in one of the three ec when it appears say hi lo we bet opposite of last IF wIN move to another table take a brief rest and retrack....IF WE LOSE...wait for the next of the ec last pattern......when it arrives say red black double stakes bet again if WIN ....LEAVE TAKE A BREAK........retrack all three ....IF LOSE.......wait for the last ec pattern say odd even and TRIPLE BETS
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 13, 07:56 AM 2018
sentinal let me see if i have your method right........we sit at the table and track all 3 ec we wait for the last pattern in one of the three ec when it appears say hi lo we bet opposite of last IF wIN move to another table take a brief rest and retrack....IF WE LOSE...wait for the next of the ec last pattern......when it arrives say red black double stakes bet again if WIN ....LEAVE TAKE A BREAK........retrack all three ....IF LOSE.......wait for the last ec pattern say odd even and TRIPLE BETS
No K.O.T No chasing. Once you lose that set is dead. And you start fresh on another table site okay?
Hey, guys, I am going to do more testing with CRAPS today but it takes a long time and lots of work to come up with the patterns.
In craps P or a D means the PASSLINE OR DONT PASS LINE won.
Now that could be any number of rolls from 3 to even as high as 18 rolls of the dice.
So if we get a 2, 3 or 12 we won on the don't pass line this is on the come out roll.
So if we get a 7 or 11 on the come out that is a win on the pass line.
At the casino, they want a dice roll every minute........................HOW FAST DO THEY DO THAT WITH ROULETTE?
How far back can we backtrack with PB???
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 13, 08:23 AM 2018
Hey, guys, I am going to do more testing with CRAPS today but it takes a long time and lots of work to come up with the patterns.
In craps P or a D means the PASSLINE OR DONT PASS LINE won.
Now that could be any number of rolls from 3 to even as high as 18 rolls of the dice.
So if we get a 2, 3 or 12 we won on the don't pass line this is on the come out roll.
So if we get a 7 or 11 on the come out that is a win on the pass line.
At the casino, they want a dice roll every minute........................HOW FAST DO THEY DO THAT WITH ROULETTE?
How far back can we backtrack with PB???
Etg roulette is 1min per spin.
Roulette plays with 3 ECs and there're 20 spins on the history board.
Hey guys, if any of you play craps here, this template will help to come up with the PB patterns.
By the way, do they play craps in Europe??????????????
Stuart
Oh here is the progression my buddy who plays craps for a living in Vegas uses yes he has balls of steel lol.
$25 Unit
Level
1 25
2 75
3 150
4 300
5 600
6 1200
7 2400
Hi could anyone tell me where I can find the revised system (what page)
thanks
I COULD NOT FIND THE REVISED post either any clues guys what page???????
Thanks
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 13, 09:59 AM 2018
I COULD NOT FIND THE REVISED post either any clues guys what page???????
Thanks
PAGE 104 GUYS...
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 13, 08:45 AM 2018
Hey guys, if any of you play craps here, this template will help to come up with the PB patterns.
By the way, do they play craps in Europe??????????????
Stuart
Oh here is the progression my buddy who plays craps for a living in Vegas uses yes he has balls of steel lol.
$25 Unit
Level
1 25
2 75
3 150
4 300
5 600
6 1200
7 2400
Hi bikemotorman. Ive seen this progression played in blackjack starting with 5,15,35,75,150,300,600,1200=2380. It means you will win every hand $5
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 11, 01:27 PM 2018
Hi sentinel3,
The rules are the same as PB rules, hopefully same way as you play it...
You enter the numbers; it tells you the moment only one combo is missing from any of the 9x8 patterns stored.
Here is a pic to show u what I mean...
As promised I attach version 1.0 of this simple Windows console prog that tracks 9 patterns of 8 combos if anybody maybe interested.
After a qualifier alert for a bet that particular pattern is reset and tracking for it resumes again from the start. Each pattern has its own spincount.
Sometimes there is more than one qualifier on the same spin.
If you make a mistake on the inputting of roulette numbers and they are not accepted you will be asked to input the set of 3 numbers again.
However, if you enter acceptable wrong numbers by mistake there is no going back yet.... you will have to exit and restart the program from scratch. Something to be dealt with for next version along with any other suggestions...
(I feely admit probably someone could have done a better job than me!)
Regards,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 13, 02:06 PM 2018
As promised I attach version 1.0 of this simple Windows console prog that tracks 9 patterns of 8 combos if anybody maybe interested.
After a qualifier alert for a bet that particular pattern is reset and tracking for it resumes again from the start. Each pattern has its own spincount.
Sometimes there is more than one qualifier on the same spin.
If you make a mistake on the inputting of roulette numbers and they are not accepted you will be asked to input the set of 3 numbers again.
However, if you enter acceptable wrong numbers by mistake there is no going back yet.... you will have to exit and restart the program from scratch. Something to be dealt with for next version along with any other suggestions...
(I feely admit probably someone could have done a better job than me!)
Regards,
A.
Hey, that's pretty cool! ;)
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 13, 12:42 PM 2018
Hi bikemotorman. Ive seen this progression played in blackjack starting with 5,15,35,75,150,300,600,1200=2380. It means you will win every hand $5
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky, you can lose more than 12 hands in a row playing BJ. And it hurts when that happens if using such progressions. I've been there.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 13, 02:06 PM 2018
As promised I attach version 1.0 of this simple Windows console prog that tracks 9 patterns of 8 combos if anybody maybe interested.
After a qualifier alert for a bet that particular pattern is reset and tracking for it resumes again from the start. Each pattern has its own spincount.
Sometimes there is more than one qualifier on the same spin.
If you make a mistake on the inputting of roulette numbers and they are not accepted you will be asked to input the set of 3 numbers again.
However, if you enter acceptable wrong numbers by mistake there is no going back yet.... you will have to exit and restart the program from scratch. Something to be dealt with for next version along with any other suggestions...
(I feely admit probably someone could have done a better job than me!)
Regards,
A.
Thanks Atlantis, appreciated. A nice piece to study.
Im on an amazing roll at the moment with PB revised. Won my 38th straight game this afternoon. I have a chance tomorrow to break a barrier ive only been past 4 times in 11 years. Its going so good.
Ok just finished a couple of hours of throwing the DICE and using PB for craps.
Look at the sheet and you will see the last three I needed were PPP because I play reverse of the DDD pattern as we see in the rules of PB I got WWW so that is good but lots of work lol.
I may be Krazy guys but this may work better for craps then Roulette.
Stuart :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 13, 02:50 PM 2018
Ok just finished a couple of hours of throwing the DICE and using PB for craps.
Look at the sheet and you will see the last three I needed were PPP because I play reverse of the DDD pattern as we see in the rules of PB I got WWW so that is good but lots of work lol.
I may be Krazy guys but this may work better for craps then Roulette.
Stuart :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
Interesting..Ive heard of people using my system for Bacarrat. But never Craps. What patterns are you looking to strike off to leave you with the one to oppose?
Works fantastic for craps
Problem is it takes a long time
In roulette you have a game within 40 spins
In craps you can go 40 rolls before a pass/don’t pass decision
I believe in PB for craps! But you must be patient. And for it to be worth it use big units.
I like it for bubble craps.
Craps will have a lot less PB betting opportunities due to the length of time a trigger takes.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 13, 08:23 AM 2018
Hey, guys, I am going to do more testing with CRAPS today but it takes a long time and lots of work to come up with the patterns.
In craps P or a D means the PASSLINE OR DONT PASS LINE won.
Now that could be any number of rolls from 3 to even as high as 18 rolls of the dice.
So if we get a 2, 3 or 12 we won on the don't pass line this is on the come out roll.
So if we get a 7 or 11 on the come out that is a win on the pass line.
At the casino, they want a dice roll every minute........................HOW FAST DO THEY DO THAT WITH ROULETTE?
How far back can we backtrack with PB???
Years ago, I developed a progression that did very well with craps. A couple of ppl told me they had quit their jobs because they were doing pretty well using this progression playing craps. It requires patience, and i didn't have that. LOL...Search for the "Carsch progression" either on this forum or the GG board, or the net. It requires only 92 units. Someone made an extended version of it (really good, i must say) for Bacc play. I lost track of these stuff since i got out of the gambling scene. The system is pretty easy although many got it wrong. Some confuse it with the Star system. It's quite different.
I made two versions of it. It goes like this:
Aggressive version: 1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,32
You need two consecutive wins (WW) to end the session.
After one win (W), you need two consecutive losses (LL) in order to use the next step in the progression.
So, if you have,
L.L.L.W..........you'll need another win (W) to end the session.
1,2,3,4
L.L.L.W.L..........you need another L in order to move on with the next step in the progression
1,2,3,4,4
L.L.L.W.L.W..........you need another Win (W) to end the session
1,2,3,4,4,4
L.L.L.W.L.L.L.........you need two wins to end the session
1,2,3,4,4,4,6
L.L.L.W.L.L.L.L.L.
1,2,3,4,4,4,6,9,14
The lighter version: 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,32
Here too you need two consecutive wins, however, after the first win, go one step back in the progression
So, if you get a win with the 4u bet, your next bet would be 3u. Win this last bet and you're done.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 13, 03:08 PM 2018
Interesting..I've heard of people using my system for Bacarrat. But never Craps. What patterns are you looking to strike off to leave you with the one to oppose?
Sentinel the last pattern missing was DDD so I played the Reverse PPP and so I had a WWW but I still think with a big unit say 100 dollars this may be just the trick...............take a look at the paper its all in black and white.
Stuart
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 13, 02:38 PM 2018
Thanks Atlantis, appreciated. A nice piece to study.
I'm on an amazing roll at the moment with PB revised. Won my 38th straight game this afternoon. I have a chance tomorrow to break a barrier ive only been past 4 times in 11 years. Its going so good.
This is wonderful news sentinel3. Hope you break the record!
I've attached an update to the PBAsst.exe that fixes the bug where sometimes a pattern combo to bet against was not being shown... Hopefully this is now fixed + I included a txt file with the patterns it handles (shown earlier in a post in this topic)
A.
A simple way to play:
There are 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin H/L pattern. You choose for example HLL to bet.
HHH - You win
LLL - You win
HLH - You win
LHL - You win
HHL- You win
LLH - You win
HLL - You win
LHH - You lose
You lose only if ONE pattern hit.
So you need to figure out when the conditions are favorable to bet your choosen pattern.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 13, 06:18 PM 2018
A simple way to play:
There are 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin H/L pattern. You choose for example HLL to bet.
HHH - You win
LLL - You win
HLH - You win
LHL - You win
HHL- You win
LLH - You win
HLL - You win
LHH - You lose
You lose only if ONE pattern hit.
So you need to figure out when the conditions are favorable to bet your choosen pattern.
Andre, you are correct. You and I play this variant. I click "like" for your post. Lol
However, this is JL PB thread. If you or anyone want to talk about this variant, it should be done on a separate thread. You will demand the same if this was your thread, right ?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 13, 03:08 PM 2018
Interesting..Ive heard of people using my system for Bacarrat. But never Craps. What patterns are you looking to strike off to leave you with the one to oppose?
JL,
I am actually surprised that you keep getting surprised that PB (either in its original form or one of its variants) can be applied to games other than roulette.
The bottom line is that PB can be applied to any gambling game involving even chances. Roulette: R / B; O / E; H / L; and Odd Double Streets / Even Double Streets, etc.
Baccarat: Banker / Player
Craps: Pass / Don't Pass
Sic Bo: Big / Small; Odd / Even.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 13, 07:24 PM 2018
JL,
I am actually surprised that you keep getting surprised that PB (either in its original form or one of its variants) can be applied to games other than roulette.
The bottom line is that PB can be applied to any gambling game involving even chances.
Roulette: R / B; O / E; H / L; and Odd Double Streets / Even Double Streets, etc.
Baccarat: Banker / Player
Craps: Pass / Don't Pass
Sic Bo: Big / Small; Odd / Even.
Heck, carrying my above point (that PB can be applied to any even chances scenario) to the extreme, you can apply PB to even coin tossing -- Heads / Tails !
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 13, 07:24 PM 2018
JL,
I am actually surprised that you keep getting surprised that PB (either in its original form or one of its variants) can be applied to games other than roulette.
The bottom line is that PB can be applied to any gambling game involving even chances.
Roulette: R / B; O / E; H / L; and Odd Double Streets / Even Double Streets, etc.
Baccarat: Banker / Player
Craps: Pass / Don't Pass
Sic Bo: Big / Small; Odd / Even.
:thumbsup:
I said it earlier. You said in bold, larger size blue fonts. :xd:
Off topic - citeh will not win CL. :twisted:
Don't take a stab at MU. :)
I love football. I don't like oil soaked clubs that spoil the game.
And, don't forget to watch Cheltenham Gold Cup - fantastic race to watch AP Mccoy, Ruby Walsh, Gary Gerhatty in action. What more SAF has a contender in the line up. :thumbsup:
Why not in soccer??
Quote from: cht on Feb 13, 07:29 PM 2018
I love football. I don't like oil soaked clubs that spoil the game.
Yeah, yeah, I understand the reasons for your constant bitching and moaning about oil-soaked clubs (more specifically, two of them that wear blue-colored kits).
Without their presence, your gang would gobble up the EPL title year in and year out (and, no, Arsene Wenger does not pose any threat whatsoever to your gang in his dotage).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 13, 07:44 PM 2018
Yeah, yeah, I understand the reasons for your constant bitching and moaning about oil-soaked clubs (more specifically, two of them that wear blue-colored kits).
Without their presence, your gang would gobble up the EPL title year in and year out (and, no, Arsene Wenger does not pose any threat whatsoever to your gang in his dotage).
Told you I was right. :thumbsup:
:.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3381593/man-united-to-sell-smalling-and-jones-bring-in-varane-and-maguire
Quote from: cht on Feb 13, 07:47 PM 2018
Told you I was right. :thumbsup:
:.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3381593/man-united-to-sell-smalling-and-jones-bring-in-varane-and-maguire
Yes, I saw that earlier today. Getting rid of those two clowns would be a good piece of business for your gang.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 13, 07:50 PM 2018
Yes, I saw that earlier today. Getting rid of those two clowns would be a good piece of business for your gang.
And if you guys buy Fabinho (from Monaco) to partner Matic in defensive midfield, then it will free up Pogba to focus on offense.
Your gang would then become formidable contenders for both the EPL and the CL next year.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 13, 07:54 PM 2018
And if you guys buy Fabinho (from Monaco) to partner Matic in defensive midfield, then it will free up Pogba to focus on offense.
Your gang would then become formidable contenders for both the EPL and the CL next year.
With Angel Gomes and Tahith Chong coming through the ranks, MU is set for future campaigns - exciting times ahead.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 13, 07:24 PM 2018The bottom line is that PB can be applied to any gambling game involving even chances.
Roulette: R / B; O / E; H / L;
Multiplied by R = Repeat/U = Unique
Exclusive or ?
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 13, 04:29 PM 2018
This is wonderful news sentinel3. Hope you break the record!
I've attached an update to the PBAsst.exe that fixes the bug where sometimes a pattern combo to bet against was not being shown... Hopefully this is now fixed + I included a txt file with the patterns it handles (shown earlier in a post in this topic)
A.
Yes Atlantis the STREAK LIVES.
Only the 5th time in 11 years ive broken the 40 barrier for an overall streak...
The streak is now 40 straight games. Was pushed all the way to the 3rd step of the progression though. As if random knew what I was hoping to achieve. And wasnt gonna make it easy for me.
Random qualified RED BLACK FIRST. I was left with RRB. STEP 1 RED. STEP 2 RED LOL. Im thinking at this stage the streak is over. Then came STEP 3 RED AGAIN.
🏅🏅🏅40 STRAIGHT GAMES🏅🏅🏅
First game of the day is now at 33 straight days. Still a way to go to beat my alltime record of 102 days in 2009. But closing on my best run of recent times with 36 days. 🤣
The math guys can say whatever they want to
For the player to have such a win streak in a negative expectation game where we are at a disadvantage due to the house edge, this is truly remarkable
Triggers are not rubbish, because any other way playing 1 2 4 you would have lost a lot more games then you have
This is proving to be very lucrative on the craps pass/don’t pass bet as well. But requires patience
I’m going to give this a run on airball. Looking at history of spins why wouldn’t I?
As my hobby of creating roulette systems progressed I always knew the wheel can’t do the same thing everytime
In this case the wheel will not complete the last EC pattern everytime when it would need to in order to make the player lose significantly. It just won’t happen
With discipline and playing smart this is just remarkable
Quote from: Carsch on Feb 13, 02:36 PM 2018
Ricky, you can lose more than 12 hands in a row playing BJ. And it hurts when that happens if using such progressions. I've been there.
Hi Carsh, I didn't say the progression was any good :( but this progression is being promoted on You tube with some additional rules like you got to arrive at the table on a new shoe and only play one winning session and move to another table. The odds of landing on a table and losing 7 hands in a row are supposed to be slim (until it happens to you :D)
Anyway, given Sentinel's long Winning streak and PB's 3 step progression, the progression of 5,15,35 (total risk 55 dollars) is well suited for this method as long as your wins greatly outweigh your losses.
regards,
Ricky
I’m much more interested in guys like bikemotorman who stand at a craps table in their house for three hours and play the system that’s real world. Not million spin graphs.
Oh my god ,
This thread is 7 years old, hundreds if not thousands of compliments received, that means there are plenty of guys making money already !
Can we find one or two guys here today who still playing or at least have had experience with it ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 10:20 AM 2018
Oh my god ,
This thread is 7 years old, hundreds if not thousands of compliments received, that means there are plenty of guys making money already !
Can we find one or two guys here today who still playing or at least have had experience with it ?
I speak to bike motor man often, henis using it successfully for craps. Real world play, not computer bullshit
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 10:20 AM 2018
Oh my god ,
This thread is 7 years old, hundreds if not thousands of compliments received, that means there are plenty of guys making money already !
Can we find one or two guys here today who still playing or at least have had experience with it ?
DoctorSudoku, Apollo, Tinsoldier, Ricky - the real world unsung heroes. :thumbsup:
Ok, guys, the sheet is done on PB and man I am tired I have 100 total decisions.
53 pass.
47 don't pass.
I got nine chances to play Pattern Breaker check out the results, as I understand the rules when we reach our last three and bet against that pattern we stop on a win is this correct I most times play the full three that are missing am I correct on this.
Sentinel, please let me know if I have this correct and take a look at the sheet it was a bunch of Dice throws but it has proven to work when going for one WIN then start tracking again.
Stuart
Hi bikemotorman,
Thanks for your results on craps table.
That is way I play on roulette - against the last pattern combo to form and stop at a winner; max 3 bets.
A.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 14, 09:01 AM 2018
Yes Atlantis the STREAK LIVES.
Only the 5th time in 11 years ive broken the 40 barrier for an overall streak...
The streak is now 40 straight games. Was pushed all the way to the 3rd step of the progression though. As if random knew what I was hoping to achieve. And wasnt gonna make it easy for me.
Random qualified RED BLACK FIRST. I was left with RRB. STEP 1 RED. STEP 2 RED LOL. Im thinking at this stage the streak is over. Then came STEP 3 RED AGAIN.
🏅🏅🏅40 STRAIGHT GAMES🏅🏅🏅
First game of the day is now at 33 straight days. Still a way to go to beat my alltime record of 102 days in 2009. But closing on my best run of recent times with 36 days. 🤣
I'm glad you made it! These are indeed very encouraging stats to ponder on. I hope it will continue to kick random's ass.
A.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 14, 09:37 AM 2018
The math guys can say whatever they want to
For the player to have such a win streak in a negative expectation game where we are at a disadvantage due to the house edge, this is truly remarkable
Triggers are not rubbish, because any other way playing 1 2 4 you would have lost a lot more games then you have
This is proving to be very lucrative on the craps pass/don’t pass bet as well. But requires patience
I’m going to give this a run on airball. Looking at history of spins why wouldn’t I?
As my hobby of creating roulette systems progressed I always knew the wheel can’t do the same thing everytime
In this case the wheel will not complete the last EC pattern everytime when it would need to in order to make the player lose significantly. It just won’t happen
With discipline and playing smart this is just remarkable
Yes RG this is why I never listened to the maths boys.
From the time I had played 4000 games of PB. I knew this one was a keeper. I had no 100 game sample in the red. The concept that roulette is a percentage game was now deeply embedded in my mind. It doesnt matter where the losses come in that 100 game grid. They wouldnt go below break even level.
Im questioning why. The only thing I had ever done CONSISTENTLY. Was limit myself to no more than 10 games a day.
Then I put a microscope on even those 3 to 10 games. And I realized the first 3 had better strikerates. Than the games that came after them.
And the first game had a strikerate that RARELY fell under 20--1. And could go as high as 30--1 at times.
And then I thought for a game of negative expectation. And a system I was following having TRUE ODDS of 7--1. This was truly remarkable.
And thats why I started playing the first game like a SYSTEM WITHIN A SYSTEM. And it can win like nothing ive ever seen at such a relatively low risk.
You will never convince a mind that thinks math and roulette are related. That a system like PB played under a precise set of rules. Has roulette beaten for ALLTIME.
They cant and neverwill accept this. Because they then have to question their OWN INTELLIGENCE. For standing steadfastly by a science that actually has no anwser for someone like me. Being successful for many years.
They will pull that four letter word out of the bag everytime in their defence LUCK...
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 14, 11:27 AM 2018
I'm glad you made it! These are indeed very encouraging stats to ponder on. I hope it will continue to kick random's ass.
A.
Yes im beginning to test your creative genius. Your concept of mixing different even chances within the same pattern has pushed the needle that bit further. And can have random chasing its tail.
3 STRIKES is good. But putting that concept into the PB system may be even stronger.
For me to give it a fair shake. I am going to paper test 500 games to see how it compares to the standard PB.
If its out performing it. It has to be taken VERY SERIOUSLY. And it certainly will by me Atlantis. You remember the MATRIX CONCEPT. I still play it. But not MATRIX VERTICAL 5. I play MATRIX VERTICAL 7.
It is a slow burner. You need patience and its not really suitable for a walk in casino. You would only get one game every 5 or 6 hours.
But online its playable. And its NEVER LOST. Im 718--0 over a 5 year period.
I may post it up here. But I doubt it as most people on these forums dont even have the patience to play PB. So something that could take 150 spins to get you a virtually gauranteed win has no chance.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 14, 12:09 PM 2018I play MATRIX VERTICAL 7.
It is a slow burner. You need patience and its not really suitable for a walk in casino. You would only get one game every 5 or 6 hours.
But online its playable. And its NEVER LOST. Im 718--0 over a 5 year period.
I may post it up here. But I doubt it as most people on these forums dont even have the patience to play PB. So something that could take 150 spins to get you a virtually gauranteed win has no chance.
Hello JL Sir.
As far as money is involved, I am very serious, and I know many more are. So I request on behalf of all, that please post MV7 with clear rules like you did it with PB. Thanks a lot sir.
Regards, SugTips
Hey Sentinel3, I went back and read how you are playing, so just to be clear after tracking the 3ecs you bet on the first one that comes and you win, do you stop playing and move to new table or do you continue betting on the 2nd ec that appears in the same session because the first one won? Sorry if this has been discussed already.
Also thanks for being so open about your system, I'm learning a lot!
Quote from: Gandhi on Feb 14, 01:05 PM 2018
Hey Sentinel3, I went back and read how you are playing, so just to be clear after tracking the 3ecs you bet on the first one that comes and you win, do you stop playing and move to new table or do you continue betting on the 2nd ec that appears in the same session because the first one won? Sorry if this has been discussed already.
Also thanks for being so open about your system, I'm learning a lot!
Ghandi hi,
You are playing for one win PER SET. So as soon as you win its over. What you must understand is this.
There are losing games still happening within the sets you play. On the way to my 40 game streak there were 4 losing games. They just werent the first game that qualified first.
What is happening is random is steering me away from the losing game more often. Than if I just played a singular even chance like I used to with HIGH LOW.
And this is what is causing an improved strikerate. The 100 game sample I am currently playing is 40--0. This has NEVER happened in 11 years. There has ALWAYS been at least one loss in the first 40 games of a 100 game set.
My best 100 game win loss ratio ever is 94--6. Its very likely its about to be broken. And the revised pattern breaker is responsible for this.
Ok so if the final pattern I need is PPP I would play DDD.
So I get a P that is an L so then I get another P that is one more L then I get a D and that is a win so ok we go for one W that's it?????
LLW
I would have to use a 100 dollar unit to make it worth my time I have to drive four hours each way to get to Harrahs Cherokee Casino.
Stuart
Ok so I get it, Sentinel, you are looking for one W then go on and track some more ok so by me playing the full triple it's not going by the rules as I have seen them.
Now I understand how your success rate is so high less, exposure to the house edge.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 14, 02:14 PM 2018
Ok so I get it, Sentinel, you are looking for one W then go on and track some more ok so by me playing the full triple it's not going by the rules as I have seen them.
Now I understand how your success rate is so high less, exposure to the house edge.
Stuart
Yes some days I only play 3 games.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 14, 01:22 PM 2018And this is what is causing an improved strikerate. The 100 game sample I am currently playing is 40--0. This has NEVER happened in 11 years. There has ALWAYS been at least one loss in the first 40 games of a 100 game set.
My best 100 game win loss ratio ever is 94--6. Its very likely its about to be broken. And the revised pattern breaker is responsible for this.
Can you please sir share with us MV7 full details? Thanks
Ok I looked and it seems I could backtrack like 20 rolls or maybe ten is that ok???
The results on my sheet from today was 100 Pass Don't Pass decisions I linked it to this post So how much backtrack is ok SENTINEL?
If my win rate goes higher just for one W then keep tracking I would be willing to use 100 dollar units.
I know Craps is quite different.
Stuart
@Sentinel3 I was hoping you would
do an update on your Zone Dozens System
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 14, 10:51 PM 2018
@Sentinel3 I was hoping you would
do an update on your Zone Dozens System
Havent played it for years proof. PB proved superior. And I only stay with the best systems. Im currently playing 3 systems.
PATTERN BREAKER REVISED
MATRIX VERTICAL 7
3 STRIKES
I will post up MATRIX VERTICAL 7 on Saturday.
3 STRIKES im half testing playing. Its Atlantis's brainchild. And very clever. Although im about to test the concept in a pattern breaker style elimination of patterns.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 14, 01:22 PM 2018
Ghandi hi,
You are playing for one win PER SET. So as soon as you win its over. What you must understand is this.
There are losing games still happening within the sets you play. On the way to my 40 game streak there were 4 losing games. They just werent the first game that qualified first.
What is happening is random is steering me away from the losing game more often. Than if I just played a singular even chance like I used to with HIGH LOW.
And this is what is causing an improved strikerate. The 100 game sample I am currently playing is 40--0. This has NEVER happened in 11 years. There has ALWAYS been at least one loss in the first 40 games of a 100 game set.
My best 100 game win loss ratio ever is 94--6. Its very likely its about to be broken. And the revised pattern breaker is responsible for this.
Understood, thanks for the help! Hope your streak continues.
Quote from: cht on Feb 14, 10:56 AM 2018
DoctorSudoku, Apollo, Tinsoldier, Ricky - the real world unsung heroes. :thumbsup:
Hi
I am currently testing this method for continuous play in both Simulation mode and on a "live" wheel using both fun money plating high stakes (Base Unit =$55) and real money playing low stakes (Base Unit = $1). So far the method is holding up. I am finding it is either at break even or slightly ahead.
Attached are two graphs I have produced so far
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/15/temp_788834.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GQlnF)
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/15/temp_460229.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GQ0Ei)
I will post my wins and strike rate on my real account at the end of each month
Currently am up 8 euro
regards
Ricky
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 14, 11:45 AM 2018
You will never convince a mind that thinks math and roulette are related. That a system like PB played under a precise set of rules. Has roulette beaten for ALLTIME.
To beat roulette or any E/C game the method is just one component. Yes, you do need a good method to start with. But to win you need:
1. DISCIPLINE
2. PATIENCE
3. SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT
4. A METHOD THAT CAN OVERCOME RANDOM
Pattern Breaker meets requirement 4 but 1,2 and 3 are either built into an automated system or rely on the individual player. Most people do not have these qualities and are called gamblers. Those that do, like Sentinel, are called Advantage Players.
I am working on proving the 4 elements can be automated and having some good success so far with PB. Hoping this continues so that it will show that you do not need to deploy hit and run tactics if you can control 1,2,3 while playing 4.
regards,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 15, 04:41 PM 2018
To beat roulette or any E/C game the method is just one component. Yes, you do need a good method to start with. But to win you need:
1. DISCIPLINE
2. PATIENCE
3. SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT
4. A METHOD THAT CAN OVERCOME RANDOM
Pattern Breaker meets requirement 4 but 1,2 and 3 are either built into an automated system or rely on the individual player. Most people do not have these qualities and are called gamblers. Those that do, like Sentinel, are called Advantage Players.
I am working on proving the 4 elements can be automated and having some good success so far with PB. Hoping this continues so that it will show that you do not need to deploy hit and run tactics if you can control 1,2,3 while playing 4.
regards,
Ricky
Hi Ricky...
The questions id like to know when playing continuous would be...
*How often if ever do you see all 3 ECs lose within the same game.
*Is retracking spins from the previous game we played... better or exactly the same results to starting completely fresh game from the next spin. (i say this because sentinal3 plays new wheel after each game... Therefore he is never retracking spins from a previous game)
*How many losses in a row could there be...So first game H/L qualified first and we lost. The next new game after re tracking, the first qualified R/B we lost again. So 2 losses in a row.
Basically how many losses in a row have you seen.
Thanks
You forgot one?????
1. DISCIPLINE
2. PATIENCE
3. SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT
4. A METHOD THAT CAN OVERCOME RANDOM
YOU MUST LIKE IN ANY BUSINESS BE CAPITALIZED AND BANKROLL IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I have a friend in Vegas, Craps is his job he plays daily brings a 5000 dollar bankroll and has two other bankrolls of 5000 each, I said Tony how do you make 9 to 10 percent of your 5000 dollars bankroll a day???
He said like the pros on this forum you must treat it as a business no emotions and you must be capitalized.
1. DISCIPLINE
2. PATIENCE
3. SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT
AND BANKROLL
He is also what we call an advantage player he uses dice influence.
Dice Control can be defined simply as the skill of throwing the dice more than the random 6 times or influencing the outcome. The statistics speak very loudly in this low, house-edge game: If you can roll 6 times in the point cycle, you can make money. Roll 8 - 9 times including the 7-out and you have a double-digit edge approaching 15-17%.
He is not a gambler so to speak but a business person who understands the risks and rewards of how he plays the game of craps.
Here is a quote from my friend.
Every gaming book ever was written has a section on gambler’s ruin. In layman’s terms, gamblers ruin means over betting and, ultimately, going broke. Gambler’s ruin is a primary reason every weekend-system player is not taking big money out of the casino; he goes for the weekend with more than he should in proportion to his total bankroll. He goes broke and goes home. A player should not approach the tables without a game plan and good money management.
Money management which is just another name for betting system makes the difference between a player ending up a winner or a loser. Many bettors know the correct playing strategy yet they can’t win at the tables. They haven’t learned how to manage their money, and don’t know how to bet. It is just as important to control ones bankroll, as it is to play correctly. I like to have at least two different betting methods for the game I’m playing, this way I can change my game plan if needed.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 15, 04:41 PM 2018
To beat roulette or any E/C game the method is just one component. Yes, you do need a good method to start with. But to win you need:
1. DISCIPLINE
2. PATIENCE
3. SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT
4. A METHOD THAT CAN OVERCOME RANDOM
Pattern Breaker meets requirement 4 but 1,2 and 3 are either built into an automated system or rely on the individual player. Most people do not have these qualities and are called gamblers. Those that do, like Sentinel, are called Advantage Players.
I am working on proving the 4 elements can be automated and having some good success so far with PB. Hoping this continues so that it will show that you do not need to deploy hit and run tactics if you can control 1,2,3 while playing 4.
regards,
Ricky
Hi Ricky,
A few questions to clarify -
Do you believe the 1st signal that appear among the 3ECs has a higher probability of success ?
Do you believe the 1st game played by any person regardless the timezone he lives has a higher probability of success ?
Do you believe that limited number of random selection of games played on randomly chosen wheels a day aka short term hit and run will give a higher probability of success ?
Thank you.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 15, 04:41 PM 2018
To beat roulette or any E/C game the method is just one component. Yes, you do need a good method to start with. But to win you need:
1. DISCIPLINE
2. PATIENCE
3. SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT
4. A METHOD THAT CAN OVERCOME RANDOM
Pattern Breaker meets requirement 4 but 1,2 and 3 are either built into an automated system or rely on the individual player. Most people do not have these qualities and are called gamblers. Those that do, like Sentinel, are called Advantage Players.
I am working on proving the 4 elements can be automated and having some good success so far with PB. Hoping this continues so that it will show that you do not need to deploy hit and run tactics if you can control 1,2,3 while playing 4.
regards,
Ricky
Thats it in a nutshell Ricky. Those 4 elements make a very powerful compound. I believe I have them now. I had to learn to discipline myself from sloppy loose play. I still have my moments.
But. Should you prove P.B.R can stand up without the use of HIT & RUN. I will be very very happy.
Ive never believed in anything more than P.B.R. If it carries on like its started. I will be very happy.
My winning streak stands at an incredible 44 straight games. Only one streak overall stands above it now. 46 games. Set in 2010.
I am going to try and break it later today.
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 15, 05:44 PM 2018
*How often if ever do you see all 3 ECs lose within the same game.
Hi Apollo. That's a good question. As I start with fresh spins after a win and reset all E/C trackers I cannot tell. I would need to go back through the history and continue playing the previous game with the other E/C until the next qualified to see if it would have won or lost.
What I will do when I post my next graph of my real play is I will export the history and someone can work it out.
My initial results from one day shows that I am winning mostly on the first or second spin. I had one loss do far which required a recovery. I am glad this happened as I got to test this scenario. Had a small miscalculation in the progression which I have since fixed but the recovery of 4,8,16 for two games is working well.
Game is running at the moment so I cannot extract any data. Will try an post tomorrow after the end of my current session. I am targetting for a 30 euro win.
regards,
Ricky
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 16, 01:35 AM 2018He said like the pros on this forum you must treat it as a business no emotions and you must be capitalized.
Hi Bikemotorman,
I absolutely agree. I mean to define the SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT to include sizing your BANKROLL and only risking a certain percentage of it in any one session. You should also include a RECOVERY bankroll for the occasion when you hit a losing streak and need to deploy the recovery process.
My intention is to absolutely treat this venture as a business (tax free). I have already started a ledger with a starting bankroll of $200 which I have now grown to $560 from a few visits to the B&M casino. I now am trialling the PB on an online casino to see if the process of making and withdrawing money is feasible for me. Where I am from I am restricted by which casinos I can join. For example the UK casinos like Ladbroke and bet365 do not allow customers outside their jurisdiction.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 16, 07:35 AM 2018
Hi Bikemotorman,
I absolutely agree. I mean to define the SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT to include sizing your BANKROLL and only risking a certain percentage of it in any one session. You should also include a RECOVERY bankroll for the occasion when you hit a losing streak and need to deploy the recovery process.
My intention is to absolutely treat this venture as a business (tax free). I have already started a ledger with a starting bankroll of $200 which I have now grown to $560 from a few visits to the B&M casino. I now am trialling the PB on an online casino to see if the process of making and withdrawing money is feasible for me. Where I am from I am restricted by which casinos I can join. For example the UK casinos like Ladbroke and bet365 do not allow customers outside their jurisdiction.
To be honest Ricky a recovery bankroll has never been required. At least not by myself.
I came to one understanding after the first 4000 games of PB had been played. And that is INDEED you must run this like small personal business.
You must understand that the most important number for PBR is 100. And its the only measurement of math involved in roulette. Can your system produce a profit over basically all of its 100 game sessions. Or at least 4 out of 5 of them.
If the anwser is YES. You have the game beaten. Over my 14,000 plus games played to date. Not a single 100 game session has fallen below break even level.
My worst result in 11 years is 89--11. Six times in 11 years and over 14,000 games. My best result is 94--6. Thirteen times over the same span.
My most popular split is 92--8. But the thing is. Over 13,500 of these games were played on just HIGH LOW. Those numbers will surely improve with PATTERN BREAKER REVISED. In my latest 100 game session im 44--0. This is unseen by me ever before. Usually by now I would have had at least one loss usually two. At the moment my record of 94--6 looks like its about to be broken.
Im going to play 56 games of pattern breaker over the next 4 days. Throw HIT AND RUN out of the window. For 56 games. To complete my latest 100 game session ALOT FASTER THAN EVER BEFORE.
Just to see if PATTERN BREAKER REVISED. Truly is superior to its former version. And can withstand more regular play.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 01:42 AM 2018Hi Ricky,
A few questions to clarify -
Do you believe the 1st signal that appear among the 3ECs has a higher probability of success ?
Do you believe the 1st game played by any person regardless the timezone he lives has a higher probability of success ?
Do you believe that limited number of random selection of games played on randomly chosen wheels a day aka short term hit and run will give a higher probability of success ?
Thank you.
Hi CHT,
Firstly, the idea of using the first E/C that meets the PB rules is to fight RANDOM with RANDOM. You let RANDOM decide for you which bet you are going to make. Initially when I started programming my BOT I actually bet on all 3 E/C bets as they qualified. So when one bet completed on H/L I continued waiting for the trigger on B/R and E/O. I did not reset the game for all EC after the first qualified. I since discovered that this was not how others were playing the PB. My observation playing this way is that although I was able to make bets more frequently and I won most bets, I did experience a high number of losses from different E/C. So its like staying in the storm too long and getting hit by Random. Coincidence or not, once I did start resetting the game after the first win or loss, my strike rate improved dramatically.
In terms of Hit and Run, if you are playing manually without a disciplined bot to follow the rules, then continuous play can lead to exhaustion and mistakes can creep in. You start to lose patience and discipline. My goal is to prove that the game can be played continuously if the rules are followed and proper stop/losses are implemented. I also believe the best system is not playing only one method but playing a number of methods and alternating between them. This will help to dodge RANDOM's ability to catch up to one method and deliver the killer blow.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 16, 07:53 AM 2018
Hi CHT,
Firstly, the idea of using the first E/C that meets the PB rules is to fight RANDOM with RANDOM. You let RANDOM decide for you which bet you are going to make. Initially when I started programming my BOT I actually bet on all 3 E/C bets as they qualified. So when one bet completed on H/L I continued waiting for the trigger on B/R and E/O. I did not reset the game for all EC after the first qualified. I since discovered that this was not how others were playing the PB. My observation playing this way is that although I was able to make bets more frequently and I won most bets, I did experience a high number of losses from different E/C. So its like staying in the storm too long and getting hit by Random. Coincidence or not, once I did start resetting the game after the first win or loss, my strike rate improved dramatically.
In terms of Hit and Run, if you are playing manually without a disciplined bot to follow the rules, then continuous play can lead to exhaustion and mistakes can creep in. You start to lose patience and discipline. My goal is to prove that the game can be played continuously if the rules are followed and proper stop/losses are implemented. I also believe the best system is not playing only one method but playing a number of methods and alternating between them. This will help to dodge RANDOM's ability to catch up to one method and deliver the killer blow.
I understand to allow random to select when to start which EC game.
I posted much earlier an excel sheet of the 3ECs on a rolling basis of all 3 ECs that's designed for this purpose.
Your bot scan on rolling basis or static ?
I do agree to play this game for random to select the start. I have long suspected (
without empirical evidence) that the hit rate might be higher.
About hit and run question - my question is whether there could have better statistical hit rate ? The same for the 1st game of the day ?
I find no math rational behind this arbitrary hit and run proposition aside from the psychological aspect.
Therefore, your current bot play will in some way point to whether this revised PB has a net positive edge - it's looking good. :thumbsup:
The other aspect is sentinel's win rate blast through any win rate ceiling we have seen. The positive sd is phenomenal. Have you any thoughts about that ? And if anyone else who has played PB according to sentinel's complete rules has seen a similar high win rate ?
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 08:12 AM 2018
I understand to allow random to select when to start which EC game.
I posted much earlier an excel sheet of the 3ECs on a rolling basis of all 3 ECs that's designed for this purpose.
Your bot scan on rolling basis or static ?
I do agree to play this game for random to select the start. I have long suspected (without empirical evidence) that the hit rate might be higher.
About hit and run question - my question is whether there could have better statistical hit rate ? The same for the 1st game of the day ?
I find no math rational behind this arbitrary hit and run proposition aside from the psychological aspect.
Therefore, your current bot play will in some way point to whether this revised PB has a net positive edge - it's looking good. :thumbsup:
The other aspect is sentinel's win rate blast through any win rate ceiling we have seen. The positive sd is phenomenal. Have you any thoughts about that ? And if anyone else who has played PB according to sentinel's complete rules has seen a similar high win rate ?
The win rate just got SERIOUS.
I have been playing this game for 11 years in June. My alltime winning streak was 46 straight games. Set playing just HIGH LOW. Back in September of 2010.
Its taken me nearly 7.5 years to top it. If anything was gonna do it. It is PATTERN BREAKER REVISED. A new mark has been set.
🛑🛑🛑47 GAMES IN A ROW🛑🛑🛑
Now im going to try for 50. I just cant believe this myself. It was always threatening a monster streak. Because these days there are no close losses. I lose I win 12. I lose I win 17. I lose I win 47! This has stunned even me...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 16, 09:04 AM 2018
The win rate just got SERIOUS.
I have been playing this game for 11 years in June. My alltime winning streak was 46 straight games. Set playing just HIGH LOW. Back in September of 2010.
Its taken me nearly 7.5 years to top it. If anything was gonna do it. It is PATTERN BREAKER REVISED. A new mark has been set.
🛑🛑🛑47 GAMES IN A ROW🛑🛑🛑
Now im going to try for 50. I just cant believe this myself. It was always threatening a monster streak. Because these days there are no close losses. I lose I win 12. I lose I win 17. I lose I win 47! This has stunned even me...
Congrats on your success . what is the shortest and the longest you wait for triggers ?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 16, 07:53 AM 2018
To be honest Ricky a recovery bankroll has never been required. At least not by myself.
I came to one understanding after the first 4000 games of PB had been played. And that is INDEED you must run this like small personal business.
You must understand that the most important number for PBR is 100. And its the only measurement of math involved in roulette. Can your system produce a profit over basically all of its 100 game sessions. Or at least 4 out of 5 of them.
If the anwser is YES. You have the game beaten. Over my 14,000 plus games played to date. Not a single 100 game session has fallen below break even level.
My worst result in 11 years is 89--11. Six times in 11 years and over 14,000 games. My best result is 94--6. Thirteen times over the same span.
My most popular split is 92--8. But the thing is. Over 13,500 of these games were played on just HIGH LOW. Those numbers will surely improve with PATTERN BREAKER REVISED. In my latest 100 game session im 44--0. This is unseen by me ever before. Usually by now I would have had at least one loss usually two. At the moment my record of 94--6 looks like its about to be broken.
Im going to play 56 games of pattern breaker over the next 4 days. Throw HIT AND RUN out of the window. For 56 games. To complete my latest 100 game session ALOT FASTER THAN EVER BEFORE.
Just to see if PATTERN BREAKER REVISED. Truly is superior to its former version. And can withstand more regular play.
I believe if you play continuously without mistakes, your win rate will not be affected.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 09:11 AM 2018
I believe if you play continuously without mistakes, your win rate will not be affected.
We will see CHT.
Quote from: Winner on Feb 16, 09:10 AM 2018
Congrats on your success . what is the shortest and the longest you wait for triggers ?
The game that won my 47th game was as short as it can be 21 spins. Yesterday I had a game that took 57 spins to qualify a trigger. But now that RANDOM is choosing the bet. Very few games last longer than 48 spins. 36 being the average game length...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 16, 09:26 AM 2018
The game that won my 47th game was as short as it can be 21 spins. Yesterday I had a game that took 57 spins to qualify a trigger. But now that RANDOM is choosing the bet. Very few games last longer than 48 spins. 36 being the average game length...
Based on your games played, is there a possibility that losses tend to appear in longer games ?
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 09:34 AM 2018
Based on your games played, is there a possibility that losses tend to appear in longer games ?
No Cht there is no advantage over game length. I have lost just as many games when they finish under 36 spins as I have when they are 48 spins plus.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 16, 09:26 AM 2018
The game that won my 47th game was as short as it can be 21 spins. Yesterday I had a game that took 57 spins to qualify a trigger. But now that RANDOM is choosing the bet. Very few games last longer than 48 spins. 36 being the average game length...
Ok thanks .So on average your making a bet every 24 minutes .
Quote from: Winner on Feb 16, 10:16 AM 2018
Ok thanks .So on average your making a bet every 24 minutes .
On average because you always take the first 10 numbers on the board when you log in. An average game takes 15 to 20 minutes.
I still expect the worst to happen...when we have built a nice bankroll for 3,4 weeks theres no point in risking high recovery bets risking say 5,10,20 (-35) to see that double of triple loss.
The only recovery bets i do..
Game 1
E/O lost (-7u)
* Retrack 10 spins
Game 2
R/B. win (+1)
Wait for the E/O bet to come as we lost on previous game.
E/O. (recovery*2) win (+2u)
So little recovery there!!
Also if i see 2 losses in a row e.g
Game 1
R/B loss (-7u)
Retrack 10 spins
Game 2
H/L. loss. (-7u)
Retrack 10 spins
Game 3
O/E (recovery*2) win (+2u)
Thanks
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 16, 09:04 AM 2018
The win rate just got SERIOUS.
I have been playing this game for 11 years in June. My alltime winning streak was 46 straight games. Set playing just HIGH LOW. Back in September of 2010.
Its taken me nearly 7.5 years to top it. If anything was gonna do it. It is PATTERN BREAKER REVISED. A new mark has been set.
🛑🛑🛑47 GAMES IN A ROW🛑🛑🛑
Now im going to try for 50. I just cant believe this myself. It was always threatening a monster streak. Because these days there are no close losses. I lose I win 12. I lose I win 17. I lose I win 47! This has stunned even me...
If there are so many streaks, then what about using a reverse Labouchere and breaking the bank?
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Sentinel,
In all your years have you ever had two LLL back to back?
I’m thinking, on a loss, because it will happen jump to the next EC with recovery units.
Tracker for PB Revised.
Baelog
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 16, 01:13 PM 2018
Sentinel,
In all your years have you ever had two LLL back to back?
I’m thinking, on a loss, because it will happen jump to the next EC with recovery units.
Hi with the original HL yes several times.
With PATTERN BREAKER REVISED. Ive had 28 losses in 450 GAMES. ZERO BACK TO BACK LOSSES.
And at the moment RG. I cant even land on a single loss. Ive just extended the Record to.
🛑🛑🛑50 GAMES IN A ROW🛑🛑🛑
This truly is a dream run, that may never happen again. I better make the most of it. 50/0.
If no back to back loss continues then continuing to play after a loss on the next qualifying EC with recovery units sounds good to me.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 16, 02:06 PM 2018
If no back to back loss continues then continuing to play after a loss on the next qualifying EC with recovery units sounds good to me.
If you are talking about two losses within a set its happened 4 times RG.
Im talking about two different sets. Theres never been two losses in a row from two different sets.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 09, 06:28 PM 2018
Hi Herby,
I am new to this forum also and have read most of the pages on this thread. You are correct in the early days of the formation of this system the rules kept bouncing around a bit. But this was because the originators were testing the ideas and found from their live play that the system needed to be tweaked. One observation JL made was that of all his losses from 2600 odd games of playing PB the losses mostly came after 45+ spins. The possible cause of this was the one remaining pattern that had not presented itself was now more "DUE" to come. Although you can't predict what random is going to do, this situation should be approached with caution. So one tweak JL suggests is that in this situation you would be better off betting for the pattern to show. But, as you suggest you still have 8 possibilities for the next three spins to show so as long as you match one of the spins with your bet you will win. What this system does though is it forces the casino to pick a lock created by its own history not by your random selection. So, to beat you, the wheel has to get its timing perfect rather than you get your timing perfect. You just follow the rules. Most times you should win. But as I posted in my previous post you can get days when random feels like its reading your mind and taking you to the cleaners.
As mentioned in this thread and probably goes for every method created, you cannot beat roulette with one method alone playing continuously. You will either need to play it in a hit and run mode or switch systems after making a quick profit. So play a few good systems in your sessions and you should end up ahead. But as I have witnessed many times impatience is the killer of any system. If you do not have the discipline and patience to wait out the bad streaks you will go home a loser.
If you look back at my recent posts I have been posting some charts of my BOT testing with the goal of turning $1K into $100K using PB alone. If this works then it will be a sound system to use in your everyday play. But as I mentioned one system alone cannot beat the game if you are playing yourself.
More results posted shortly.
I have already built PB in a BOT to test this method on live play and although it is winning and losing its the best method I have seen for making large profits.
The rules I use are:
1. Track all 8 patterns and wait for the last pattern left
2. If the number of spins to get to this last pattern is less than 45 (or 15 sets of 3) then bet for the last pattern else bet against the last pattern
3. Use a progression system that allows you to recover. I use a D'Alembert progression rather than Martingale as I am playing continuously in my BOT and need to stay in the game and withstand a long string of losses before recovering. My progression is 1 2 3 4 5 6 Units. Up if I lose, down if I win.
4. I track all 3 E/C (H-L, O-E, B-R)
5. For O-E I also bet the 4th Pattern will not match the 1st pattern
6. Finally, on all my systems, I cover the Zero bet placing about 5% of my E/B on it and adjusting the progression to recover the Zero Bet on the E/C. eg $50 on E/C and $5 on Zero. This nets up yo 3 times my outlay if and WHEN it hits.
Cheers,
Ricky
AFTER 45 SPINS NO BET ?
BET AGIANS 1 PATERN NO SHOW ONLY 45 SPINS ?
SORRY I SPEAK ENGLISH LITTLE
Wow, thats a great long post-Bravo.
Guys, I am still tired from testing PB from a few days ago LOL.
Stuart
Roulette Ghost give me a ring about bubble Craps.
I had an idea about the Bubble Craps machine we were talking about.
ricky you said most losses to pb came after 45 plus spins yet you say when less then 45 bet for same if more bet for different............but doesnt pb play for different...... so what do you mean??????????
Hey guys whatever happened to Jebet.com I used to play a lot on that site I think its the same as dublinbet.com but now its gone?????
Stuart
As a craft beer guy I HAD to have this
Quote from: ice789 on Feb 16, 04:42 PM 2018
AFTER 45 SPINS NO BET ?
BET AGIANS 1 PATERN NO SHOW ONLY 45 SPINS ?
SORRY I SPEAK ENGLISH LITTLE
Hi all,
since I wrote my original post on the PB rules I use in my bot I have revised them to play more consistent with how others are playing especially with the progression. So here are my current rules I use:
1. Track all 8 patterns of ALL E/C and wait for the last pattern remaining of the FIRST E/C to qualify. Eg if of all E/C H/L has matched 5 patterns, E/O has matched 6 patterns and B/R has matched 7 patterns, then I choose B/R to bet the next 3 spins.
2. If the number of spins to get to this last pattern is less than 45 (or 15 sets of 3) then I bet FOR the last pattern else I bet AGAINST the last pattern. eg if the last pattern remaining is BBB and the number of spins to get to this point is 42 then I bet RRR. But if the number of spins is >=45 i bet BBB (with the last pattern). The reason for this is that it has taken a very long time for this pattern to not come out so it is probably more due to come. Again this is a personal preference and is an OPTIONAL rule.
3. Use a progression system that allows you to recover. Since I have found PB wins more times than it loses I am not expecting long losing streaks so have settled with the 3 step Martingale originally defined in JL's rules and I only cover the Zero on the 3rd Bet. So my progression is now:
Normal Bet : 1,2,5+1(Zero)
Recovery Bet: 4,8,18+2(Zero)
So I add an extra 1 (or 2 in recovery) to the E/C bet to cover the Zero Bet on the 3rd step. I also put 1 unit (or 2 in recovery) straight up on the Zero
4. As mentioned in RULE 1, I track all 3 E/C (H-L, O-E, B-R). However, I reset all trackers after a win on any E/C bet. I immediately start tracking from the beginning
5. I have an optional side bet in my setup to allow you to choose to bet the 4th Pattern will NOT match the 1st pattern as discussed in this forum. To choose which E/C pattern I bet AGAINST I use a random selection so as not to bet on the same E/C bet in each session for this side bet. In the original rules I posted I was only using E/O. So on the 4th set of 3 spins I bet against either the 1st B/R, H/L or O/E. Whether the bet wins or loses I continue tracking the patterns until the end. In this way we have a possibility of winning twice for each session we track. If this side bet loses I go into recovery mode for the next 2 bets.
6. Finally, as mentioned in RULE 3, I only cover the Zero on the 3rd step. The reason for this is Zero does not come out as often and PB has a high strike rate on E/C so I am maximizing my return and minimizing my risk by not betting on Zero for 2/3 steps in the progression. If I am taken to the last step in the progression it makes sense to cover the Zero as this is the highest bet and we would not want to lose it due to Zero hitting.
PS. There is a bit of interest for me to share the Roulette Xtreme system design for PB. I will share this next week as I am grateful for those on this forum freely sharing their ideas and helping me realize my dream. You will require a copy of Roulette Xtreme to run it. Its available at link:://uxsoftware.com (link:://uxsoftware.com) if you are interested . However, I just need to clean up the code a little before releasing. The design will be specific for PB and MV7.
Also, there is some logic added that I have not shared with the forum which is being tested. This relates to the 7th Pattern. I will leave it to Sentinel to determine if I should include or remove this logic as it was his idea. But I am not sure if he has shared this with the forum yet.
regards,
Ricky
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 16, 06:50 AM 2018My winning streak stands at an incredible 44 straight games. Only one streak overall stands above it now. 46 games. Set in 2010.
PB (Revised) is looking good in Continuous play. It will be interesting, since I am playing for like 8 hours a day continuously, to see if it can beat this record.
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 16, 05:03 PM 2018ricky you said most losses to pb came after 45 plus spins yet you say when less then 45 bet for same if more bet for different............but doesnt pb play for different...... so what do you mean?
Hi keepontryin,
The comment I made relates to what I read in the early days of the thread. What JL had found was when he was betting AGAINST the last pattern forming, MOST of his losses came after 45 spins. So it made sense to avoid those losses he should be betting FOR the pattern to form. This is the way I am playing.
Having said this, there is only ONE way the wheel can beat you.
When you are betting AGAINST the last pattern forming then the wheel needs to spin that Pattern EXACTLY.
When you are betting FOR the last pattern forming then the wheel needs to spin an exact OPPOSITE of the last pattern. You only need to have the correct choice in 1 of the 3 spins in the pattern to win. You do not need to have the last pattern completely match.
Hope this makes sense.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 08:12 AM 2018About hit and run question - my question is whether there could have better statistical hit rate ? The same for the 1st game of the day ?
Hi CHT,
In regards to playing big on the 1st game of the day, I think this may be phycological. For me when I go to a B&M casino, I seem to get onto a long term losing streak on occasion. My first game seems to start with a loss. Its like random knows I am about to start and tries to give me a hard time. There are days I spent the whole night trying to recover from my bet first bet just to get my money back.
So for me I now treat my first bet with a lot of caution. If it goes well then I will think about increasing my bet size. Maybe once I start playing PB more often and have more faith in it I will start playing that way and place my biggest bet on the first bet of the session.
Now that my BOT is looking good playing this method I may code this option into it by playing the first game at 3 times the normal unit size.
In regards to Sentinel's win rate by playing hit and run, I am trying to emulate this by pausing the game after a profit target is met. At the moment its after every 30 euro I pause for 20 spins. Depending whether I find I am losing more games playing continuously I will increase this to about 100 spins which represents about 1 hour of online roulette spins.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 16, 06:40 PM 2018
Hi all,
since I wrote my original post on the PB rules I use in my bot I have revised them to play more consistent with how others are playing especially with the progression. So here are my current rules I use:
1. Track all 8 patterns of ALL E/C and wait for the last pattern remaining of the FIRST E/C to qualify. Eg if of all E/C H/L has matched 5 patterns, E/O has matched 6 patterns and B/R has matched 7 patterns, then I choose B/R to bet the next 3 spins.
2. If the number of spins to get to this last pattern is less than 45 (or 15 sets of 3) then I bet FOR the last pattern else I bet AGAINST the last pattern. eg if the last pattern remaining is BBB and the number of spins to get to this point is 42 then I bet RRR. But if the number of spins is >=45 i bet BBB (with the last pattern). The reason for this is that it has taken a very long time for this pattern to not come out so it is probably more due to come. Again this is a personal preference and is an OPTIONAL rule.
I think the same. :thumbsup:
3. Use a progression system that allows you to recover. Since I have found PB wins more times than it loses I am not expecting long losing streaks so have settled with the 3 step Martingale originally defined in JL's rules and I only cover the Zero on the 3rd Bet. So my progression is now:
Normal Bet : 1,2,5+1(Zero)
Virtual loss/1/2 or virtual loss/1/1 might work better.
Recovery Bet: 4,8,18+2(Zero)
So I add an extra 1 (or 2 in recovery) to the E/C bet to cover the Zero Bet on the 3rd step. I also put 1 unit (or 2 in recovery) straight up on the Zero
4. As mentioned in RULE 1, I track all 3 E/C (H-L, O-E, B-R). However, I reset all trackers after a win on any E/C bet. I immediately start tracking from the beginning
5. I have an optional side bet in my setup to allow you to choose to bet the 4th Pattern will NOT match the 1st pattern as discussed in this forum. To choose which E/C pattern I bet AGAINST I use a random selection so as not to bet on the same E/C bet in each session for this side bet. In the original rules I posted I was only using E/O. So on the 4th set of 3 spins I bet against either the 1st B/R, H/L or O/E. Whether the bet wins or loses I continue tracking the patterns until the end. In this way we have a possibility of winning twice for each session we track. If this side bet loses I go into recovery mode for the next 2 bets.
6. Finally, as mentioned in RULE 3, I only cover the Zero on the 3rd step. The reason for this is Zero does not come out as often and PB has a high strike rate on E/C so I am maximizing my return and minimizing my risk by not betting on Zero for 2/3 steps in the progression. If I am taken to the last step in the progression it makes sense to cover the Zero as this is the highest bet and we would not want to lose it due to Zero hitting.
Instead of 1/2/5+1,
to keep the relative zero cost low, it is 18/36/72+4
PS. There is a bit of interest for me to share the Roulette Xtreme system design for PB. I will share this next week as I am grateful for those on this forum freely sharing their ideas and helping me realize my dream. You will require a copy of Roulette Xtreme to run it. Its available at link:://uxsoftware.com (link:://uxsoftware.com) if you are interested . However, I just need to clean up the code a little before releasing. The design will be specific for PB and MV7.
Also, there is some logic added that I have not shared with the forum which is being tested. This relates to the 7th Pattern. I will leave it to Sentinel to determine if I should include or remove this logic as it was his idea. But I am not sure if he has shared this with the forum yet.
regards,
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 07:52 PM 2018Instead of 1/2/5+1,
to keep the relative zero cost low, it is 18/36/72+4
Hi CHT,
It seems the progression you are recommending for a Recovery bet is to try and recoup your losses in one session. This could be chosen if you decide to run the BOT in AGGRESSIVE mode. I have built this mode into my design so I could program the progression this way.
One thing would could also do when playing continuously is to use SMART MM and depending on how much profit you already have or how much your loss currently is you can deploy either conservative or aggressive progressions. You could also look at switching methods during recovery if the method you encountered the loss is having a bad losing streak.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 16, 06:55 PM 2018
PB (Revised) is looking good in Continuous play. It will be interesting, since I am playing for like 8 hours a day continuously, to see if it can beat this record.
cheers,
Ricky
The record is now 🛑50 GAMES IN A ROW🛑 Ricky. Its a dream run I may never see again. But yes I personally would like you to tell me the kind of winning streaks you are getting in continuous play.
Because if HIT & RUN has one advantage over continuous play. It will surely be the ability to put a freak streak like this together. Slipping in and out of the cycle. Dodging that matching pattern for longer.
This is a real point of interest for me. These are my last 4 winning streaks with PATTERN BREAKER REVISED.
38 GAMES
16 GAMES
17 GAMES
50 GAMES (CURRENT)
The ORIGINAL pattern breaker just staying on HL. Coild never put 4 streaks together like this. There would ALWAYS be at least one inside 10 games. Like say a 7 or 8. And you would never see monster streaks like this so close together. There is something powerful going on here thats got even me stunned.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 16, 09:29 PM 2018
Hi CHT,
It seems the progression you are recommending for a Recovery bet is to try and recoup your losses in one session. This could be chosen if you decide to run the BOT in AGGRESSIVE mode. I have built this mode into my design so I could program the progression this way.
One thing would could also do when playing continuously is to use SMART MM and depending on how much profit you already have or how much your loss currently is you can deploy either conservative or aggressive progressions. You could also look at switching methods during recovery if the method you encountered the loss is having a bad losing streak.
Cheers,
Ricky
Perhaps your bot can have the progression selected by the user - I don't know how difficult it is but it'll be good for users have the selection option what progression they use. Just suggesting.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 16, 09:32 PM 2018
The record is now 🛑50 GAMES IN A ROW🛑 Ricky. Its a dream run I may never see again. But yes I personally would like you to tell me the kind of winning streaks you are getting in continuous play.
Because if HIT & RUN has one advantage over continuous play. It will surely be the ability to put a freak streak like this together. Slipping in and out of the cycle. Dodging that matching pattern for longer.
This is a real point of interest for me. These are my last 4 winning streaks with PATTERN BREAKER REVISED.
38 GAMES
16 GAMES
17 GAMES
50 GAMES (CURRENT)
The ORIGINAL pattern breaker just staying on HL. Coild never put 4 streaks together like this. There would ALWAYS be at least one inside 10 games. Like say a 7 or 8. And you would never see monster streaks like this so close together. There is something powerful going on here thats got even me stunned.
Hi Sentinel,
for now I think you are pretty safe. While I was responding to all the posts I lost twice, recovering after each in the next two spins. The first one was using the side bet of 1st not the 4th pattern. Are you still using this bet?
PS, I have increased my bet to 2 euro base bet and am 27 euro in profit. The BOT is proving it can play discipline. If it was me after the first loss I probably would not have placed the large recovery bets and would still be down substantially. So for better of for worse having strict rules and proper MM and bankroll to support recovery is proving very valuable.
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 09:36 PM 2018Perhaps your bot can have the progression selected by the user - I don't know how difficult it is but it'll be good for users have the selection option what progression they use. Just suggesting.
Hi CHT,
very easy to program in Roulette Xtreme. I have all sorts of options when I start it. Sometime too many. These include the Methods to be used, the Progression Strategy: Marti, D'Alambert, even the recovery method to use. In my full system I have the option of using Labouchere to limit the recovery bets getting too high. This would require you to be in recovery mode for more than the one or two bets using Marty.
Due to the above complexity of my FULL system I will remove all these options out for the version I will share. This will be to avoid complexity of using the system for those on the forum just wanting to follow the standard rules.
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Baelog on Feb 16, 01:18 PM 2018
Tracker for PB Revised.
Baelog
Hi, Baelog, thank you very much for the PB Revised Tracker. I truly appreciated it. Can you please create a PB tracker for Baccarat if don't mind.
Best regards,
Ted
Sentinel and Ricky, I really like how things are coming out with this method, I have played it two times in a real casino, today I won 40$ (I know its not much, but I am just starting) , basically I followed all the steps you described... I have questions taking into account that you have played hundreds of sessions now, around how many of your sessions won on the first setp of the progression, how many on the second step, and how many on the third step, I am just trying to find my own way to optimize my winnings. Thanks
Quote from: romano0327 on Feb 16, 11:37 PM 2018
Sentinel and Ricky, I really like how things are coming out with this method, I have played it two times in a real casino, today I won 40$ (I know its not much, but I am just starting) , basically I followed all the steps you described... I have questions taking into account that you have played hundreds of sessions now, around how many of your sessions won on the first setp of the progression, how many on the second step, and how many on the third step, I am just trying to find my own way to optimize my winnings. Thanks
I have addressed this aspect many times, no response so far. :question:
I suspect(without empirical evidence) that the best progression is virtual loss/1/2 or virtual loss/1/1 risking 3 or 2 units per game. If virtual win, wait for next signal.
Without getting into details of the direction of your bankroll, i will try to answer your question. If I plot both the original way and the way you have suggested cht in a graph, the individual profiles are different in magnitude. But if you draw a straight line from start to finish, it takes the same direction.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 17, 01:21 AM 2018
Without getting into details of the direction of your bankroll, i will try to answer your question. If I plot both the original way and the way you have suggested cht in a graph, the individual profiles are different in magnitude. But if you draw a straight line from start to finish, it takes the same direction.
Looool :xd:
I will wait patiently for the details.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 16, 06:40 PM 2018PS. There is a bit of interest for me to share the Roulette Xtreme system design for PB. I will share this next week as I am grateful for those on this forum freely sharing their ideas and helping me realize my dream. You will require a copy of Roulette Xtreme to run it. Its available at link:://uxsoftware.com if you are interested . However, I just need to clean up the code a little before releasing. The design will be specific for PB and MV7.
Also, there is some logic added that I have not shared with the forum which is being tested. This relates to the 7th Pattern. I will leave it to Sentinel to determine if I should include or remove this logic as it was his idea. But I am not sure if he has shared this with the forum yet.
Well it took quicker than I expected. OK here it is the PB and MV7 system design that I have been testing. Hope you find it useful in your evaluation of these methods. As mentioned, the code has a lot of additional baggage that I have taken out for this version to try and make it as simple as possible to operate. It comes with no warranties etc. I look forward to your feedback on how your own testing goes and let me know if you have any good Ideas I can add to the system to improve the PB and MV7 methods.
I have attached a document showing some basic instructions on using it and expected results. I have also attached some session files you can load to see the results of live runs on live wheels. I guess you can play these back into the system to work out how the current version does with the spin results and to find out whether the system won on first, second or third bets.
Enjoy!
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: romano0327 on Feb 16, 11:37 PM 2018
Sentinel and Ricky, I really like how things are coming out with this method, I have played it two times in a real casino, today I won 40$ (I know its not much, but I am just starting) , basically I followed all the steps you described... I have questions taking into account that you have played hundreds of sessions now, around how many of your sessions won on the first setp of the progression, how many on the second step, and how many on the third step, I am just trying to find my own way to optimize my winnings. Thanks
Hi Romano I dont have the exact numbers for that breakdown to hand. Because they arent important to me. But I will break them down from my data over the weekend. And post it on here Sunday afternoon okay?
Does everybody play flatbet? Or is the Parlay on the table?
I would play with the "steven1212" mm :thumbsup:
Rules still the same? Track all 3 EC's and bet first one that qualified? Reset win or lose
Quote from: cht on Feb 17, 01:02 AM 2018I have addressed this aspect many times, no response so far. :question:
I suspect(without empirical evidence) that the best progression is virtual loss/1/2 or virtual loss/1/1 risking 3 or 2 units per game. If virtual win, wait for next signal.
Hi CHT,
with the System design we can perform both simulations using the computer's RND and collate the rules from the session to determine the percentage won on the first, second and third bets. But the real interesting emperical data will be the results I obtain running this system live continuously and capturing the results. This will be real world results to determine if it makes sense to using the following progression options:
1. 3 step Marty with Recovery in two steps
2. Virtual Bet the first step, followed by two step Marty
3. Virtual Bet the first step, followed by two step flat bet (second bet gets your money back)
4. D'Alambert (step up on loss, step down on win)
5. Labouchere (setup say sequence of 10 numbers and cross off first/last on win, add last bet to end of sequence on loss)
All the above can produce different results. But the progression method should be matched with the betting method. If the betting method proves to be as good as Sentinel is experiencing with his record breaking winning streak then you should have the confidence to go with the quickest method to success and that is the 3 Step Marty with 2 step recovery.
Cheers,
Richy
What I am shocked by is PATTERN BREAKER even works for craps, now that being said I wish there was some way to make a method on the Place 4 and 10 so I could make a profit with those two numbers, in case the guys don't know the 4 and 10 pay 2 to 1 so if you wager 25 bucks you get 75 just like when you play a single dozen in roulette.
I will do some more Pattern Breaker testing later today with my little craps table here at the house.
Later guys.
Stuart
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 06, 10:04 AM 2018
Hi everyone.
Iv been testing this PB system but on the Dozens and columns.
The patterns im using are
Dozens. Columns
AAA. 111
BBB. 222
CCC. 333
Wait until we have crossed off two of the patterns. Then bet for the last pattern not to show on the next set of 3 spins.
Only betting 1-1, 3-3. (8u loss)
________
My tests so far:
Games played = 30
1st W = 16 times
2nd. LW = 12 times
LOSS. LLW+LLL = 2 times
Bankroll = +14
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Examples
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:30 - 08:40)
2 19 24
29 5 35 *222
34 4 17
15 8 22
1 14 27
9 34 3
34 19 2
31 36 22
3 11 28
12 7 14
23 24 29
25 2 9
29 15 6
13 10 23
1 19 5
5 1 16
28 31 12
8 5 30
26 27 33 *CCC
22 5 15
28 17 24.
29 36 13.
1 24 24
10 24 4
4 25 18
31 35 18
29 18 19
29 12 13
5 9 5. *AAA. Bet a+c
14 2 8 (W+1)
8 24 36
12 24 36. *333 bet 2+3
29 29 26 (W+1)
13 4 31
34 33 23
9 5 16
25 35 35
(+2u)
______________
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:45 - 10:55)
23 24 21 *BBB
33 36 30 *CCC *333 (trig bet C+B)
28 31 19 *111 W+1. (trig bet 1+3)
10 5 26 W+1
+2u
__________
Thanks
Hi Bikemotorman.
Try this method for a 2/1 bet.
Suggest you only bet a 2 step progression 1-1,3-3 stop.
Cheers
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 17, 07:42 AM 2018
What I am shocked by is PATTERN BREAKER even works for craps,
Stuart,
It should NOT be a surprise that PB works for craps (Pass / Don't Pass).
PB should, in theory at least, work for any gambling game / scenario where even chances are involved -- I mentioned this in a previous post in this thread:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg191187#msg191187
Just finished a 400 spin session of PB/MV7
W=11
L=0
STEP 1 = 5
STEP 2=4
STEP 3=2
MV7
W=0
L=1 (stopped after first progression as ended the betting session. Will resume tomorrow)
I played one game of Apolloo's PB on Column/Doz (T40) and won 5 euros. Will add this method to the bot and track how it performs
Up 56 euro in 2 days. Not bad :D.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 17, 07:42 AM 2018
I wish there was some way to make a method on the Place 4 and 10 so I could make a profit with those two numbers,
in case the guys don't know the 4 and 10 pay 2 to 1 so if you wager 25 bucks you get 75 just like when you play a single dozen in roulette.
A couple of points:
1. Place betting either the 4
OR the 10 will pay
a little less than 2:1.
Yes, the odds (of winning the place bet on either the 4
OR the 10) are 2:1, but
the payout is actually 9:5. 2. You can try to apply the PB method to place betting
both the 4 and the 10 at the same time.
The probability of hitting the 4 is 3/36 and that of hitting the 10 is also 3/36.
So the combined probability is 3/36 + 3/36 = 6/36 = 1/6.
Now the probability of getting the 7 (which will
kill both the place bets on the 4 and the 10) is 1/6 also.
So place betting
both the 4 and the 10
against the 7 is, in probability terms, a head-to-head clash between 1/6 (for the 4 / 10) and 1/6 (for the 7).
That of course means that place betting
both the 4 and the 10
(against the 7) is essentially an even chance bet (just like R vs B or O vs E or H vs L in roulette).
And you can, thus, apply the PB method to it also (in theory, at least :thumbsup: :thumbsup:).
Quote from: cht on Feb 17, 01:02 AM 2018
I have addressed this aspect many times, no response so far. :question:
I suspect(without empirical evidence) that the best progression is virtual loss/1/2 or virtual loss/1/1 risking 3 or 2 units per game. If virtual win, wait for next signal.
Okay Romano and Cht, dont say i dont give you nothing.
Spent over 2 hours to get these.numbers for 14,126 GAMES.
STEP 1 WINS=7656
STEP 2 WINS=4,098
STEP 3 WINS=1,552
LOSSES=820
Well my wonderful streak of 🛑54 GAMES IN A ROW🛑 Finally came to an end this afternoon. But I am over the moon. Have already won 3 games since the loss. Im going for a new record.of 95--5 or better for the whole 100 game set...
Currently at 56--1.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 17, 10:52 AM 2018
A couple of points:
1. Place betting either the 4 OR the 10 will pay a little less than 2:1.
Yes, the odds (of winning the place bet on either the 4 OR the 10) are 2:1, but the payout is actually 9:5.
2. You can try to apply the PB method to place betting both the 4 and the 10 at the same time.
The probability of hitting the 4 is 3/36 and that of hitting the 10 is also 3/36.
So the combined probability is 3/36 + 3/36 = 6/36 = 1/6.
Now the probability of getting the 7 (which will kill both the place bets on the 4 and the 10) is 1/6 also.
So place betting both the 4 and the 10 against the 7 is, in probability terms, a head-to-head clash between 1/6 (for the 4 / 10) and 1/6 (for the 7).
That of course means that place betting both the 4 and the 10 (against the 7) is essentially an even chance bet (just like R vs B or O vs E or H vs L in roulette).
And you can, thus, apply the PB method to it also (in theory, at least :thumbsup: :thumbsup:).
Wow Doc great post I am on a little break here in my house playing the PB on my little Crap table I have not completed my first game with PB yet but it should be within the hour LOL still need to reach my qualifying triple............yes Craps is way slower lol that is why with PB I use 100 dollar units.............I will do the same at Harrah Cherokee in NC.
To be a business person and walk out the winner, not the gambler takes a lot of work and dice rolls lol.
As I have said I am not a gambler but I am a tinkerer who loves to figure out an edge and with a small edge it may be more likely to make a profit.
MOST GAMBLERS DONT HAVE PATIENCE OR DISCIPLINE.
I have both in abundance and now with several very solid methods, a profit is far more likely.
Always, the player will employ smart money management to conserve and protect his bankroll against adverse trends in the game. Realistically, the player should experience many trips to the casino with profitable results.
YOU MUST TREAT Your Method LIKE A BUSINESS, ALWAYS.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 17, 11:40 AM 2018
Wow Doc great post I am on a little break here in my house playing the PB on my little Crap table I have not completed my first game with PB yet but it should be within the hour LOL still need to reach my qualifying triple............yes Craps is way slower lol that is why with PB I use 100 dollar units.............I will do the same at Harrah Cherokee in NC.
To be a business person and walk out the winner, not the gambler takes a lot of work and dice rolls lol.
As I have said I am not a gambler but I am a tinkerer who loves to figure out an edge and with a small edge it may be more likely to make a profit.
MOST GAMBLERS DONT HAVE PATIENCE OR DISCIPLINE.
I have both in abundance and now with several very solid methods, a profit is far more likely.
Always, the player will employ smart money management to conserve and protect his bankroll against adverse trends in the game. Realistically, the player should experience many trips to the casino with profitable results.
YOU MUST TREAT Your Method LIKE A BUSINESS, ALWAYS.
Stuart
Absolutely. I read a book a few years ago. The best book ive ever read on roulette. Its called PLAYING TO WIN. By Brett Morton. In the book he couldnt stress enough the importance of tight money management. PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE.
As he says in the book..The enemy in the casino is YOU. Ive said the same thing for years.
THE MIND (FOR MOST) FAILS LONG BEFORE THE SYSTEM EVER DOES.
Thats why there are few longterm winners with this game.
They cant stay with the system. Even a winning one like PB.
Ok Guys two and one-half hours of Dice Rolls and the results I got one triple to play take a look at the sheet.
My last group was DPP so I played the opposite PDD and got DPD................ LLW.
Stuart
Wait oops I got a DPD so first two my mistake on the sheet YES I must be careful.
Hello Sentinel, thank you very much for taking the time to respond, with this information we will be able to make our own conclusions, thank you for taking us all the way :smile:
From these stats it seems to me the 1,2,4 is fine to play not much difference playing any other way. Although i could be wrong.
The only way that seems slightly better is.
3,5,9 progression for +3,+2,+1 over each step.
1,2,4 = +1079 per unit staked
3,5,9 = +1104 per unit staked.
Not much difference at all.
Maybe someone else can work out a better progression. But im very happy at 1,2,4.
Currently on a 16 streak.. Hoping to beat the 23 streak i had last month.
Cheers
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 17, 11:38 AM 2018TEP 1 WINS=7656
STEP 2 WINS=4,098
STEP 3 WINS=1,552
LOSSES=820
Hi Sentinel,
this is very valuable information as you can conclude from this that there are alternate progressions you can employ and still stay ahead. A 2 step progression 1/2/virtual 3 will save you the loss of 820 to pay for the 1,552 wins that you would have lost had you stopped at step 2.
Alternatively you could bet step3 as a break even step or get half your money back so 1/2/3 or 1/2/2. This is like using a d'Alembert
The progression in the attached would be perfect for this method. It incorporates both a negative and positive progression. Its called the TKO formula employed by the a baccarat play named Jay Silva who charges students thousands of dollars to teach them how to beat baccarat. The two progressions he uses are called the FORCE and the LADDER.
The idea is when you lose use a d'Alembert progression to bet each session.
When you are on a winning streak like Sentinel has been on for 50 straight wins then deploy the LADDER to maximise your wins. This means you are using the casino's money to place the next bet while on a winning streak. As soon as you lose one session then you get off the ladder and start using the FORCE again. If you want a good explanation of the system check out Jay's video link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=OxYShQskBOw&t=1200s (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=OxYShQskBOw&t=1200s) and apply it to PB and we have a VERY POWERFUL system. He gave a free lesson. It was a great eye opener for me as I already use a positive progression to bet on streaks in roulette but never combined a negative and positive progression in the same system.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 17, 05:08 PM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
this is very valuable information as you can conclude from this that there are alternate progressions you can employ and still stay ahead. A 2 step progression 1/2/virtual 3 will save you the loss of 820 to pay for the 1,552 wins that you would have lost had you stopped at step 2.
Alternatively you could bet step3 as a break even step or get half your money back so 1/2/3 or 1/2/2. This is like using a d'Alembert
The progression in the attached would be perfect for this method. It incorporates both a negative and positive progression. Its called the TKO formula employed by the a baccarat play named Jay Silva who charges students thousands of dollars to teach them how to beat baccarat. The two progressions he uses are called the FORCE and the LADDER.
The idea is when you lose use a d'Alembert progression to bet each session.
When you are on a winning streak like Sentinel has been on for 50 straight wins then deploy the LADDER to maximise your wins. This means you are using the casino's money to place the next bet while on a winning streak. As soon as you lose one session then you get off the ladder and start using the FORCE again. If you want a good explanation of the system check out Jay's video link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=OxYShQskBOw&t=1200s (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=OxYShQskBOw&t=1200s) and apply it to PB and we have a VERY POWERFUL system. He gave a free lesson. It was a great eye opener for me as I already use a positive progression to bet on streaks in roulette but never combined a negative and positive progression in the same system.
Cheers,
Ricky
Yes Ricky,
Dr Sudoku plays only the first two steps and does well with it. Me I dont mind the 3rd expensive step. Because i have absolute faith in THE BIG PICTURE.
Like the incredible streak I just enjoyed. There were 5 step 3 wins in that streak.
What must be understood Ricky. And not enough people can grasp this. Roulette is a percentage game. And PBR works beautifully in the ultimate denomination of percentage. 100. I always aim to PROFIT over 100 games. Not 5 or 10 or 20.
And PBR always delivers a profit within that 100 game framework.
And since the revision. Its looking stronger than ever. I used to be happy with an average of 92--8 for a 100 game set. Now, 94--6 and occasionally better looks like the new mark...
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 17, 05:08 PM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
this is very valuable information as you can conclude from this that there are alternate progressions you can employ and still stay ahead. A 2 step progression 1/2/virtual 3 will save you the loss of 820 to pay for the 1,552 wins that you would have lost had you stopped at step 2.
Alternatively you could bet step3 as a break even step or get half your money back so 1/2/3 or 1/2/2. This is like using a d'Alembert
The progression in the attached would be perfect for this method. It incorporates both a negative and positive progression. Its called the TKO formula employed by the a baccarat play named Jay Silva who charges students thousands of dollars to teach them how to beat baccarat. The two progressions he uses are called the FORCE and the LADDER.
The idea is when you lose use a d'Alembert progression to bet each session.
When you are on a winning streak like Sentinel has been on for 50 straight wins then deploy the LADDER to maximise your wins. This means you are using the casino's money to place the next bet while on a winning streak. As soon as you lose one session then you get off the ladder and start using the FORCE again. If you want a good explanation of the system check out Jay's video link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=OxYShQskBOw&t=1200s (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=OxYShQskBOw&t=1200s) and apply it to PB and we have a VERY POWERFUL system. He gave a free lesson. It was a great eye opener for me as I already use a positive progression to bet on streaks in roulette but never combined a negative and positive progression in the same system.
Cheers,
Ricky
I brought up this subject of optimising bets based on frequency distribution earlier.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg190835#msg190835
The idea is to place bets on frequency distribution that's skewed high and don't place bets on negative skews. Progression per se may give less losing sessions since they are designed to circumvent variance but they not necessarily give optimised outcomes.
If the win rate is on the high end, you might want to look at the calculated potential max losing streak to right size your br and use half kelly equation.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 17, 10:31 AM 2018
Just finished a 400 spin session of PB/MV7
W=11
L=0
STEP 1 = 5
STEP 2=4
STEP 3=2
MV7
W=0
L=1 (stopped after first progression as ended the betting session. Will resume tomorrow)
I played one game of Apolloo's PB on Column/Doz (T40) and won 5 euros. Will add this method to the bot and track how it performs
Up 56 euro in 2 days. Not bad :D.
Cheers,
Ricky
The bet on the 1st step is a losing bet. The same can be seen on sentinel's current years result and Apolloo's variant on post #2282.
Quote from: cht on Feb 17, 09:18 PM 2018
The bet on the 1st step is a losing bet. The same can be seen on sentinel's current years result and Apolloo's variant on post #2282.
I cannot agree with that Cht. Because we are playing the 3 steps for one outcome. A ONE UNIT WIN.
And like I said its PBRs performance within a 100 game set that interests me personally.
Of course you could set it up so you dont bet on step 1 of the prog. But I will tell you that could be a frustrating tweak. Ive had times where 5 or 6 games in a row WIN on STEP 1. You would have to be prepared to wait 1.5 to 2 hours sometimes to get a qualifying game to win one unit.
And think on that. The vast majority of people on these forums. Already think waiting 20 odd minutes for a normal game of PBR is too long.
So for most that would be a no no. The most ESSENTIAL ingredient for longterm success PATIENCE. Is missing from nearly everyone who plays this game.
That above all else. Is the reason casinos will ALWAYS BE SAFE.
You have a virtual HG on this forum with PBR now. But most cant be bothered to wait 20 odd minutes to get the win. Not even 10 people will stay with it longterm. You see the MIND is and always will be the weak link in the chain of roulette success. ALWAYS.
Of course, you could set it up so you don't bet on step 1 of the prog. But I will tell you that could be a frustrating tweak. I've had times where 5 or 6 games in a row WIN on STEP 1. You would have to be prepared to wait 1.5 to 2 hours sometimes to get a qualifying game to win one unit.
Wow, I am waiting 2 hours with the PB for craps all the time, man it takes some time to use the method but it does work if I had the bankroll I think a 500 dollar unit may even make some sense.
We just have too be careful and stay focused I made a mistake on my sheet yesterday so staying focused is paramount to this method.
Even my buddy who plays craps for a living would not wait that long, I told him about this and he wants to get in and out in under an hour.
I asked him would you be willing to wait three hours for 500 dollars he said no way he would be pulling his hair out.
He will risk 3000 to make 500 but he wants to get in and out in less than an hour.
Is there any place we can play real craps online????????
Randomness is accurate in theory, but statistics are backed by actual results of play and documentation.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
I DO NOT GAMBLE, GAMBLERS CANT WAIT 2 HOURS TO MAKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
WHY BECAUSE MOST GAMBLERS, IN FACT, MOST LIKELY 98 PERCENT LACK PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 18, 02:37 AM 2018
Of course, you could set it up so you don't bet on step 1 of the prog. But I will tell you that could be a frustrating tweak. I've had times where 5 or 6 games in a row WIN on STEP 1. You would have to be prepared to wait 1.5 to 2 hours sometimes to get a qualifying game to win one unit.
Wow, I am waiting 2 hours with the PB for craps all the time, man it takes some time to use the method but it does work if I had the bankroll I think a 500 dollar unit may even make some sense.
We just have too be careful and stay focused I made a mistake on my sheet yesterday so staying focused is paramount to this method.
Even my buddy who plays craps for a living would not wait that long, I told him about this and he wants to get in and out in under an hour.
I asked him would you be willing to wait three hours for 500 dollars he said no way he would be pulling his hair out.
He will risk 3000 to make 500 but he wants to get in and out in less than an hour.
Is there any place we can play real craps online????????
Randomness is accurate in theory, but statistics are backed by actual results of play and documentation.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
We don’t gamble we use a method that works.
I DO NOT GAMBLE, GAMBLERS CANT WAIT 2 HOURS TO MAKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
WHY BECAUSE MOST GAMBLERS, IN FACT, MOST LIKELY 98 PERCENT LACK PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE.
100% thats why the game is safe for alltime.
Not even 2% of people who play roulette have the RIGHT MINDSET to beat it longterm. Thats why casinos laugh when they hear about system players. Even a good system in the WRONG HANDS will lose...
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 09, 10:48 AM 2018
Maybe I will try and write myself a little console prog that can handle that...
A.
Hi Atlantis,
I really like your thought process in trying to fight random. These ideas like 3 Strikes are very playable and dodge random quite well. With good progression and MM controls we have a range of formidable methods to take on this "UNBEATABLE" game. I see you seem to have some programming skills. Have you looked at Roulette Xtreme to help you with your tracking? Its a very good software. Costs under US$50 for a license plus a similar amount for the RXBOT. Very affordable and easy to program if you can read code. Let me know if you need a hand if your interested.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 18, 08:47 AM 2018
Hi Atlantis,
I really like your thought process in trying to fight random. These ideas like 3 Strikes are very playable and dodge random quite well. With good progression and MM controls we have a range of formidable methods to take on this "UNBEATABLE" game. I see you seem to have some programming skills. Have you looked at Roulette Xtreme to help you with your tracking? Its a very good software. Costs under US$50 for a license plus a similar amount for the RXBOT. Very affordable and easy to program if you can read code. Let me know if you need a hand if your interested.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky,
I have got licensed RXtreme program. (In fact I have had it since version 1.0) and I agree is v.g. although I don't have the RX bot license...
RX tracker would be even better IMHO - it's just my RX coding skills are not great on that :)
I understand you are creating one for PB. Sounds like a great idea and I will be happy to try it if you do.
A.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 18, 03:03 AM 2018
100% thats why the game is safe for alltime.
Not even 2% of people who play roulette have the RIGHT MINDSET to beat it longterm. Thats why casinos laugh when they hear about system players. Even a good system in the WRONG HANDS will lose...
Thanks in advance can you show us the money management part when the system loses just to give me an idea how to recover the losse.
Ok folks done with the whole sheet PB did fine, however, I am tired lol.
I had pass line 52.
I had don't pass line 50.
Take a look at the results guys its as close to a 50/50 game as we can get, of course, I am speaking of the game of craps.
I would not be afraid to use the progression of---25---75---225 this is of course with 25 dollar chips.
Stuart
Quote from: Winner on Feb 18, 10:39 AM 2018
Thanks in advance can you show us the money management part when the system loses just to give me an idea how to recover the losse.
Winner PBR is so strong you dont need one. You are looking for a win loss breakdown of 92--8 across a 100 game set. Thats very achievable with PBR. Im currently 62--1 in my latest 100 game set. And breakdowns of 94--6 or better will now be common. My latest run is made up of 54--L--8.
You can just stick to one level progression to suit your bankroll. Initially 1-2-4. As your bank grows so do your stakes. If you have a 1k bank for example you would use 0.5% of that as your BASE BET
So in that case your progression would be â,¬5--â,¬10--â,¬20.
And so forth once your bank was 1.2k your base bet would be â,¬6--â,¬12--â,¬24.
Thats how its done. Always remember your bank should be 200 time that of your base bet ideally. With a powerful system like PBR which is basically a license to print money. Its tempting to go off to high.
But remember you can lose two or three close games. Its over a 100 game set you rule. And show a positive yield. So you need a bankroll to see you to the end of each 100 game set.
Sentinel how do I explain to people that with Pattern Breaker we are not just old-fashioned gambling but we have an edge to some extent????
I want to tell a friend about it and that it can be used with Craps, Roulette, and Baccarat.
Again we use a method that works not just gambling, I would say its more akin to Day Trading, not gambling.
I also know some people who may help me towards bankroll procurements if they believe the method may have some sort of edge in the three games of chance that I mentioned above.
I would use it for Roulette and Craps only at this point.
Thank You for your help in advance.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 18, 05:32 PM 2018
I would use it for Roulette and Craps only at this point.
Stuart,
I would recommend that you apply PB to baccarat.
You might find that in terms of growing your bank roll, PB works best at baccarat.
Roulette has the 0/00 and craps has the bar number (usually 12, but in some places 2) that will occasionally throw a monkey wrench into your efforts.
Yes, baccarat occasionally has the TIE outcome, but you don't lose your Banker or Player bets when it shows up. If you have baccarat at the Cherokee Harrah's casino, give it a try there.
How would we use PATTERN BREAKER for baccarat Doc, could somebody provide me with an example of how it works.
My Craps buddy told me also to play Baccarat, he said it is the easiest game to really make a profit maybe with PATTERN BREAKER I could get an edge on this Baccarat game of sorts, he also said it requires less bankroll.
Again can somebody provide me with an example of PB use in BACCARAT?
Stuart
One thing is paramount with PATTERN BREAKER,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE ARE MANDATORY.
This is not a thrilling method, its boring, monotonous tedious irksome tiresome humdrum it is relentless but it is Profitable AND VERY GOOD FOR CRAPS PASS AND DONT PASS.
Stuart
Hi bikemotorman,
It is same, just like with Red and Black on roulette - wait for the missing pattern and bet against it, I think.
P=Player
B=Banker
Ignore any TIES
PPP
BBB â—™
PPB â—™
BPP â—™
PBB â—™
BBP â—™
BPB â—™
PBP â—™
Example: The ummarked pattern above is the missing one yet to occur; so now bet against PPP happening. Stop at a winner.
Regards,
A.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 12, 10:34 AM 2018
Taking a very cautious approach as it involves good money. Played 3 games in total today. All won. Stats at the end of day 2. At william hill lost 2 pounds unnecesarily when opening the application and dropped two pounds on the table >:(. Now will use the other two accounts as well, which will make it 5 casinos in total.
Am on day 9 now. I have started betting £15 in ladbrokes and £5 in other casinos as base bet. I currently play in 7 casinos in total and 7 games a day. I have played a total of 51 games in total. Summary of results so far is:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_502661.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G1wqs)
For anyone wanting to know the details of games played, it is below. I had a terrible day yesterday, otherwise a decent run so far.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_652807.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G16O7)
Quote from: cht on Feb 17, 08:51 PM 2018The idea is to place bets on frequency distribution that's skewed high and don't place bets on negative skews. Progression per se may give less losing sessions since they are designed to circumvent variance but they not necessarily give optimised outcomes.
If the win rate is on the high end, you might want to look at the calculated potential max losing streak to right size your br and use half kelly equation.
Hi CHT,
I know what you are trying to do and it is a very valid thing to maximize the return on your bets. Its like the argument whether you cover zero or not. I was always one to cover zero because it gives you that bonus payout if it hits at the right time. But then you have to calculate all the times it does not hit and that is lost winnings or worsens your losses. So now I am leaving it for the last bet or a relatively high risk bet (say covering dozens/columns).
The argument against using negative progressions should be considered. But having a BRAKE on a losing proposition is very important. This is why we limit the progression and incorporate stop/losses.
I have an option in my system I use to allow for the option you are sugggesting. Its actually called a virtual bet. My system actually does what you are suggesting if enabled. It keeps an average of the number of spins taken to get a win. Say on average a method is taking 2 spins to win. If the progression is 3 or more then in some methods I skip the first n spins and start betting on the average. So I would bet on the 2nd spin in this case. If a method was winning on the 4th spin on average then it would skip the first 3 spins and only bet on the 4th and more steps if the progression went higher. I have two methods called "lines" and "corners" which look at the 6 line and corner bets. It places a bet on the corner or line of the last number spun and keeps doing this with a marty progression until it gets a win or gets to the maximum progression allowed causing a loss. Over time the average number of spins to a win is calculated and the system then starts virtual betting for the first few spins until it gets a list of numbers it can cover on the sweet spot of where most wins come. This way it maximizes its wins by covering more of the numbers without losing the initial bets. Although sometimes it would miss wins and sometimes it would lose completely. So I think this is the sort of thing you are thinking of.
The question with PB is where is the sweet spot. I guess it all depends on what mood random is feeling on a given day.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 19, 07:55 AM 2018
Am on day 9 now. I have started betting £15 in ladbrokes and £5 in other casinos as base bet. I currently play in 7 casinos in total and 7 games a day. I have played a total of 51 games in total. Summary of results so far is:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_502661.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G1wqs)
For anyone wanting to know the details of games played, it is below. I had a terrible day yesterday, otherwise a decent run so far.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_652807.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G16O7)
My advice TS is take your two strongest sites. Ladbrokes and Coral. And alternate between the two of them. I recently had a streak of 54 in a row bouncing between Ladbrokes and Betway. Have never been too successful myself on BET365.
But Ladbrokes and Betway. I get excellent winning streaks on them.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 19, 07:55 AM 2018
Am on day 9 now. I have started betting £15 in ladbrokes and £5 in other casinos as base bet. I currently play in 7 casinos in total and 7 games a day. I have played a total of 51 games in total. Summary of results so far is:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_502661.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G1wqs)
For anyone wanting to know the details of games played, it is below. I had a terrible day yesterday, otherwise a decent run so far.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_652807.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G16O7)
One other thing TS whenever you get a perfect storm 7 patterns in 21 spins. At least double up on the bet against pattern 8. And cover the zero on each step. Its one of the safest bets in all of roulette. Best to take full advantage of them.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 19, 08:20 AM 2018My advice TS is take your two strongest sites. Ladbrokes and Coral. And alternate between the two of them.
But I thought you play upto a maximum of 10 games and never play in the same casino twice in a day. Is this not true?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 19, 08:48 AM 2018Its one of the safest bets in all of roulette.
Will track this for some more time before taking a plunge. At this point in time my aim is to reach 200 to 300 games as you suggested and see how this is holding up. I will use the data to take on board other advices provided. Thanks a lot for commenting.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 19, 08:55 AM 2018
But I thought you play upto a maximum of 10 games and never play in the same casino twice in a day. Is this not true?
Will track this for some more time before taking a plunge. At this point in time my aim is to reach 200 to 300 games as you suggested and see how this is holding up. I will use the data to take on board other advices provided. Thanks a lot for commenting.
Yes TS usually I rotate. And I average 14 wins to every loss that way.
But i was thinking recently. Ladbrokes hardly EVER loses for PB. And neither does Betway. So I did an experiment. And bounced back and forth with just those two sites. And the result was an alltime record streak of 54 games. That finally lost on Betway on Saturday.
So that might be worth a try for you too. Especially since Ladbrokes and Coral are connected under the same system. Bet365 I have a dislike for and hardly ever use them.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 19, 07:55 AM 2018
Am on day 9 now. I have started betting £15 in ladbrokes and £5 in other casinos as base bet. I currently play in 7 casinos in total and 7 games a day. I have played a total of 51 games in total. Summary of results so far is:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_502661.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G1wqs)
For anyone wanting to know the details of games played, it is below. I had a terrible day yesterday, otherwise a decent run so far.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_652807.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G16O7)
Omit qualifying bets after 30spins.
Quote from: cht on Feb 19, 09:27 AM 2018
Omit qualifying bets after 30spins.
You have a point there Cht. Ive lost very few games that qualified IN THE TWENTIES. Very good point. You would need more patience to do this. But your strikerate would go through the roof.
Its ALWAYS THE SAME Cht. Those with the most patience will have the greater success..
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 19, 09:20 AM 2018
So that might be worth a try for you too.
Thanks for your suggestions sentinel and cht. To be honest, I don’t want to be making new rules as I play further and further. I would like to play at least 200 games before I incorporate new rules. We talk about discipline and here we are trying to change them only after few games. 14-1 is still good for me. I would try 200 games with this rule before incorproating all the comments. AS EVERYONE LOVES TO SAY HERE -
discipline.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 19, 09:40 AM 2018
Thanks for your suggestions sentinel and cht. To be honest, I don’t want to be making new rules as I play further and further. I would like to play at least 200 games before I incorporate new rules. We talk about discipline and here we are trying to change them only after few games. 14-1 is still good for me. I would try 200 games with this rule before incorproating all the comments. AS EVERYONE LOVES TO SAY HERE - discipline.
Okay TS. Dont want to get anyone overexcited. But I think CHT may have just put the final piece in the puzzle to turn PBR into a virtual HG. Ive been over my last 200 games. 55 of them qualified 21--27. ONLY 🛑ONE LOSS🛑 HE WHO CAN WAIT WILL WIN. Ive been saying this for years.
I think something in what sentinel3 ; cht says. With the early qualifiers 20-40 spins I noticed or it seemed to be you can get more first game winners. (When testing with my console program one of the 9 patterns I was tracking only qualified after a long wait of 96 spins! The last remaining pattern then proceeded to come out immediately in the following 3 spins, which of course would have been a LOSER)
Oops sorry should have said early qualifiers 21-30 spins
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 19, 09:31 AM 2018
You have a point there Cht. Ive lost very few games that qualified IN THE TWENTIES. Very good point. You would need more patience to do this. But your strikerate would go through the roof.
Its ALWAYS THE SAME Cht. Those with the most patience will have the greater success..
If this the case where most wins are in that time frame bet on the PB then continue to bet for it to lose until it shows up..then start the process over I'm sure you'll get more wins this way . With your basic PB your only winning one unit at a time you will be Subject to a loss that can eat up your profits. My 2 bits. Ps John we share the same birthday 07/19
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 19, 10:36 AM 2018
I think something in what sentinel3 ; cht says. With the early qualifiers 20-40 spins I noticed or it seemed to be you can get more first game winners. (When testing with my console program one of the 9 patterns I was tracking only qualified after a long wait of 96 spins! The last remaining pattern then proceeded to come out immediately in the following 3 spins, which of course would have been a LOSER)
Yes Atlantis. Ive known for a while that more wins come inside 30 spins. But it is the old trade off. BETTING OPPORTUNITIES VS SAFETY.
You would have to be prepared to wait HOURS sometimes in a REAL casino. The way to force a short game is to keep retracking every 10 spins. Until you eventually get that sub 30 spin qualifier.
Any prepared to do this will take PBR to a different level. The strikerate will be concrete over 20--1. Who has that patience thats always the question.
It separates the winners from the losers. Always has, always will.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 19, 10:54 AM 2018
Yes Atlantis. Ive known for a while that more wins come inside 30 spins. But it is the old trade off. BETTING OPPORTUNITIES VS SAFETY.
You would have to be prepared to wait HOURS sometimes in a REAL casino. The way to force a short game is to keep retracking every 10 spins. Until you eventually get that sub 30 spin qualifier.
Any prepared to do this will take PBR to a different level. The strikerate will be concrete over 20--1. Who has that patience thats always the question.
It separates the winners from the losers. Always has, always will.
For b&m casino, play at the etg dual roulette machines. Switch between the 2 wheels tracking rolling basis from the 10 history spins.
hi sentinel3,
This why I think tracking the 9 patterns in my prog may be of some help.
Lets you know when any of the 9 qualifies (there can sometimes be more than one) and importantly tells you how many spins it takes it them to qualify.
Because its handling 9 patterns there is a greater chance of at least ONE of these patterns qualifying within the range 21-30 which is what you're looking for...
My idea is to track results and then Just bet against the combo indicated that occurs within the range 21-30.
(if more than one qualifier in same amount of spins just pick one of them and go with that)
Win or lose - STOP and close program. Try again later.
However, your idea abt after 30 spins with no qualifier then to save time go back say 12 spins (4 sets of 3) and restart is also a good one ;)
A.
Here is Pattern Breaker Tracker for Baccarat in Excel.
Baelog
If anyone is implementing pattern breaker on baccarat please describe your experience.
If you play PB with baccarat, there won't be this revised method of random choosing the earliest EC to bet on.
Second difference is, the games is slower because you have to wait for new shoes to start.
Quote from: atlantis link=topic=4655.msg191835#msg191835
My idea is to track results and then Just bet against the combo indicated that occurs within the range 21-30.
You will end up in a scenario where you are having multiple qualifiers and you will be wondering where to take your chances on. I at least had 6 games writhin this 51 games where I had two qualifiers. I am assuming this will greatly increase with 9 patterns and confusion.
Quote from: cht on Feb 19, 11:11 AM 2018
For b&m casino, play at the etg dual roulette machines. Switch between the 2 wheels tracking rolling basis from the 10 history spins.
Yes Cht well done for the observation. I have the luxury of living in the UK. I have access to over 50 online casinos.
A walk in casino is only for the odd night out. For our American friends a walk in casino is more of a must do.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 19, 07:55 AM 2018
Am on day 9 now. I have started betting £15 in ladbrokes and £5 in other casinos as base bet. I currently play in 7 casinos in total and 7 games a day. I have played a total of 51 games in total. Summary of results so far is:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_502661.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G1wqs)
For anyone wanting to know the details of games played, it is below. I had a terrible day yesterday, otherwise a decent run so far.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_652807.png)[
What is the reason of playing in different casino as apposed to just one? (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G16O7)
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 19, 11:32 AM 2018
You will end up in a scenario where you are having multiple qualifiers and you will be wondering where to take your chances on. I at least had 6 games writhin this 51 games where I had two qualifiers. I am assuming this will greatly increase with 9 patterns and confusion.
No tinsoldiers - there is no confusion. I simply pick the first combo that qualifies on the screen even if there are more qualifying combos on the same spincount - but It doesn't really matter which one you pick - but for consistency I just the select the first one that is given every time there is multiple qualifiers. ALL of the patterns are complying with the PATTERN BREAKER rules so it should not make any difference whatsoever. It simply means you are more likely to get an early qualifier in the range we are talking about, that's all. I do happen to think that a GOOD IDEA. Really, there is NO confusion about it at all. If there was you can be sure I would not advocate using it at all - but if you're happier staying with the 3 pattern then you can still use it to just track the patterns that you want to - but in the end you will be waiting LONGER for the qualifiers... and as cht said abt. baccarat EVEN LONGER than that on occasions.
A.
Quote from: Baelog on Feb 19, 11:16 AM 2018
Here is Pattern Breaker Tracker for Baccarat in Excel.
Baelog
Baelog:
Please accept my sincere thank you for creating the PB Tracker for both Baccarat and Roulette. I truly appreciated your generous contributions.
Best wishes,
Ted
There is any longterm test about this system that prove is a winner?
At least 200 000spins....(better more)
Or is just the luck of few like JL ....
I don t say he do not win, I say he is lucky.
Take any combination of that high and low in 3 wide matrix (so the patterns) , no need to wait , choose any new pattern to bet against for the next session.....And the
result will be similar to JLs, just need some
luck and good MM.
I do play also pattern based systems and
with succes, but I don t claim I have a longun winner. Patience and mechanical
systems will not make you winner without
luck.
Many HGs lately around here.....
Test before play any " HGs"".
I write this more for the people that are new at roulette, but not only....
you never here of millionaires playing roulette and why ,unlike blackjack .
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 19, 11:46 AM 2018I do happen to think that a GOOD IDEA. Really, there is NO confusion about it at all.
Thank you atlantis.
Quote from: Winner on Feb 19, 11:37 AM 2018What is the reason of playing in different casino as apposed to just one?
I am just playing the way sentinel is playing, i think he should answer this. No clue if you ask me. For me its all the same.
Quote from: Winner on Feb 19, 12:23 PM 2018
you never hear of millionaires playing roulette and why ,unlike blackjack .
I am surprised you have never heard of anyone, I have not only heard but have seen many in my life.
Quote from: Winner on Feb 19, 12:23 PM 2018
you never here of millionaires playing roulette and why ,unlike blackjack .
Never heard of bacarrat millionaires until Phil Ivey's court cases.
link:s://:.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/law/2017/oct/25/poker-player-phil-ivey-loses-court-battle-over-77m-winnings-from-london-casino
If anyone made such claim on forums it's just brushed aside as another bs claim right ?
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 19, 07:01 AM 2018
How would we use PATTERN BREAKER for baccarat Doc, could somebody provide me with an example of how it works.
My Craps buddy told me also to play Baccarat, he said it is the easiest game to really make a profit maybe with PATTERN BREAKER I could get an edge on this Baccarat game of sorts, he also said it requires less bankroll.
Again can somebody provide me with an example of PB use in BACCARAT?
Stuart
You apply it to baccarat the same way that you apply it to craps.
In craps, you have Pass / Don't Pass.
In baccarat, instead of P / DP, you have Banker / Player.
If a Tie shows up, just ignore it and continue tracking.
Let's say that the last four hands are: B B T P
You ignore the Tie and record it as B B P.
Remember: If the Tie shows up when you are actually betting, it does NOT make you lose your B / P bet.
Quote from: Winner on Feb 19, 12:23 PM 2018
you never here of millionaires playing roulette and why ,unlike blackjack .
They exist Winner. The question is are they MILLIONAIRES PLAYING ROULETTE. OR DID THEY 🛑BECOME MILLIONAIRES FROM PLAYING ROULETTE🛑.
I am 54 in July. And i will become a millionaire from this game before im 60. My only problem is getting the bets on. Once they know you have them beat for alltime. They will shut you down. Im going to Vegas in 2020. Any who would like to join me (all expenses paid) will be welcome. Then you will see John legend in action...
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 19, 07:01 AM 2018
My Craps buddy told me also to play Baccarat, he said it is the easiest game to really make a profit
For any even chance betting method, baccarat is usually the best game where you can apply that method.
Remember, roulette has the 0/00 and craps has the bar number (either the 12 or the 2) to make things difficult for your bank roll.
Baccarat has the Tie, but it does NOT have any effect on your B / P bet.
So if you browse through this forum or any other roulette forum and you come across any even chance betting method that interests you, seriously think of applying it to
baccarat first before you apply it to craps or roulette.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 19, 01:10 PM 2018
For any even chance betting method, baccarat is usually the best game where you can apply that method.
Remember, roulette has the 0/00 and craps has the bar number (either the 12 or the 2) to make things difficult for your bank roll.
Baccarat has the Tie, but it does NOT have any effect on your B / P bet.
So if you browse through this forum or any other roulette forum and you come across any even chance betting method that interests you, seriously think of applying it to baccarat first before you apply it to craps or roulette.
That explains for why I am predominantly a bacarrat player. :)
Off-topic : Real Madrid is my favorite to win CL again.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 19, 01:10 PM 2018
For any even chance betting method, baccarat is usually the best game where you can apply that method.
Remember, roulette has the 0/00 and craps has the bar number (either the 12 or the 2) to make things difficult for your bank roll.
Baccarat has the Tie, but it does NOT have any effect on your B / P bet.
So if you browse through this forum or any other roulette forum and you come across any even chance betting method that interests you, seriously think of applying it to baccarat first before you apply it to craps or roulette.
Totally agree with this. (Apart from the banker %commission) it is a 50/50 game.
When the decks are shuffled and put in the shoe then the position and order of the cards are locked in and *do not change* - that is, they remain in the stack in the same order in an unknown but FIXED pattern until the next shuffle, unlike roulette where the order or formation of a pattern(s) of results is subject to a random wheelspin each turn/play.
A.
PS. If Wigan just happen to win tonight against Man City I will win a lot of £££'s. (but I did a bit of hedging too!)
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 19, 12:57 PM 2018
I am 54 in July. And i will become a millionaire from this game before im 60. ...
How will you become millionaire playing a system that's a grinder?
Just curious
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 19, 01:43 PM 2018
Totally agree with this. (Apart from the banker %commission) it is a 50/50 game.
When the decks are shuffled and put in the shoe then the position and order of the cards are locked in and *do not change* - that is, they remain in the stack in the same order in an unknown but FIXED pattern until the next shuffle, unlike roulette where the order or formation of a pattern(s) of results is subject to a random wheelspin each turn/play.
A.
PS. If Wigan just happen to win tonight against Man City I will win a lot of £££'s. (but I did a bit of hedging too!)
Wigan didn't just win. They took the game to citeh, had 3 clear chances inside 11 mins, came off deserving winners. Congrats ! :thumbsup:
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 19, 01:43 PM 2018
Totally agree with this. (Apart from the banker %commission) it is a 50/50 game.
PS. If Wigan just happen to win tonight against Man City I will win a lot of £££'s. (but I did a bit of hedging too!)
Good call on this one ! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Now don't squander it on roulette ! :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Kattila on Feb 19, 12:08 PM 2018
There is any longterm test about this system that prove is a winner?
At least 200 000spins....(better more)
Or is just the luck of few like JL ....
I don t say he do not win, I say he is lucky.
Take any combination of that high and low in 3 wide matrix (so the patterns) , no need to wait , choose any new pattern to bet against for the next session.....And the
result will be similar to JLs, just need some
luck and good MM.
I'd like to know too.
You're right, there's no sense waiting for 7 patterns to form and bet against the 8st pattern. I just wait a pattern to form for 3 times and I bet against it.
RBB
RBB
RBB
Bet BRR
I Know it's a fallacy but that's my trigger.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 19, 07:06 PM 2018
How will you become millionaire playing a system that's a grinder?
Just curious
The secret to become a millionaire playing this game is to play safe grinders, keeping losses small that allows for a small br that in turn gives the chance to play with casino money that you progressively increase your bet size to max table limit.
Spectacular fast and high win rate is good only as show-offs to gain limelight on forums - that's how to spot the real from unreal.
Quote from: cht on Feb 19, 01:13 PM 2018
That explains for why I am predominantly a bacarrat player. :)
Off-topic : Real Madrid is my favorite to win CL again.
Many people are underestimating Bayern.
Jupp Heynckes is back in charge and Bayern are again looking menacing.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 19, 07:22 PM 2018
Many people are underestimating Bayern.
Jupp Heynckes is back in charge and Bayern are again looking menacing.
Bayern is my 2nd favourite followed by Barcelona a close 3rd - my top 3.
Well I am still tired after today it was about three hours of rolling the dice on my little craps table and I did win but man I must have rolled about 150 times or more LOL.
I kept saying come on where is my time to test the method but I did get it finally.
At the casino, I would have been going nuts but at least the dealers would have been bringing the dice back to me instead of me walking back and forth 150 times to get them, the method has not let me down once so far I think I have played fifteen games so far and all are winners.
Now I consider a winner to be LLW OR LWL OR WWW or WLL most times I stop at a W and start tracking again.
I do use a progression, just experimenting guys but I think it is a very solid method but over the last month and at least 5000 rolls of the dice I have some understanding of the odds of pass and dont pass.
I have never seen more than 7 passes or 7 don't pass.
The Odds of a shooter making
8 passes in a row 250 to 1
9 passes in a row 500 to 1
10 passes in a row 1000 to 1
Stuart
Can someone explain to me how to play Baccarat in a simple and straight way? Is this game really more lucrative than roulette? How do I use The PB system in Baccarat?
I'd like to give it a try and get hints
I gave it a try with bacc.
I find it easier than roul because, even if you have one EC only, if you play in a place that have plenty of tables, you can pick one that is around at 35-40 decisions and make your job in a short time.
A
Quote from: cht on Feb 19, 01:13 PM 2018
That explains for why I am predominantly a bacarrat player. :)
Off-topic : Real Madrid is my favorite to win CL again.
No way! The CL wins Leo Messi and 10 dwarfs!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 19, 07:06 PM 2018
How will you become millionaire playing a system that's a grinder?
Just curious
The size of the chips im grinding. If you ALWAYS make at least 100 units of profit a month. And those units are eventiually worth â,¬500--â,¬1000. You wont take long to pass a million..As I said the problem isnt the system. PBR is a winner for alltime. Its finding places that will allow you to take a fortune off of them.
Certainly no online casino is going to allow you to even take 20k off them.Thats the problem. Thats why when I reach $500 to $1000 level in 2020. Im going to have to go to a place that doesnt mess up their panties. When someone wins 5 to 10k in an evening...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 20, 12:42 AM 2018
The size of the chips im grinding. If you ALWAYS make at least 100 units of profit a month. And those units are eventiually worth â,¬500--â,¬1000. You wont take long to pass a million..As I said the problem isnt the system. PBR is a winner for alltime. Its finding places that will allow you to take a fortune off of them.
Certainly no online casino is going to allow you to even take 20k off them.Thats the problem. Thats why when I reach $500 to $1000 level in 2020. Im going to have to go to a place that doesnt mess up their panties. When someone wins 5 to 10k in an evening...
I understand.
Why don't you play n a real casino?
You live in London, right?
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 19, 07:31 AM 2018
Hi bikemotorman,
It is same, just like with Red and Black on roulette - wait for the missing pattern and bet against it, I think.
P=Player
B=Banker
Ignore any TIES
PPP
BBB â—™
PPB â—™
BPP â—™
PBB â—™
BBP â—™
BPB â—™
PBP â—™
Example: The ummarked pattern above is the missing one yet to occur; so now bet against PPP happening. Stop at a winner.
Regards,
A.
Now I see how to use PB on baccarat.
I don't know what to do when tie occurs.
Is baccarat 50/50?
Right now I'm trying to learn the game.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 19, 11:14 PM 2018
Well I am still tired after today it was about three hours of rolling the dice on my little craps table and I did win but man I must have rolled about 150 times or more LOL.
I kept saying come on where is my time to test the method but I did get it finally.
At the casino, I would have been going nuts but at least the dealers would have been bringing the dice back to me instead of me walking back and forth 150 times to get them, the method has not let me down once so far I think I have played fifteen games so far and all are winners.
Now I consider a winner to be LLW OR LWL OR WWW or WLL most times I stop at a W and start tracking again.
I do use a progression, just experimenting guys but I think it is a very solid method but over the last month and at least 5000 rolls of the dice I have some understanding of the odds of pass and dont pass.
I have never seen more than 7 passes or 7 don't pass.
The Odds of a shooter making
8 passes in a row 250 to 1
9 passes in a row 500 to 1
10 passes in a row 1000 to 1
Stuart
Well, streaks longer than 7 do happen for both the P and the DP.
But, yes, compared to baccarat and roulette, the 7-plus streaks in craps tend to be less frequent.
Alternately, you can say that craps is much more choppy than baccarat or roulette.
How to exploit this greater choppiness of craps for making profits is, of course, a whole different discussion topic worthy of an entire forum by itself.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 19, 11:14 PM 2018
Now I consider a winner to be LLW OR LWL OR WWW or WLL most times I stop at a W and start tracking again.
Stuart
I think you are playing this game somewhat differently from the rest of us. A winner is as soon as you get a W -- so W, LW, and LLW are all winners (assuming you are using a negative progression).
But WLL or LWL are not winners if you keep playing beyond the first W that appears. Maybe I misunderstood you, but I am going by what you wrote in the above quote.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 20, 12:42 AM 2018Certainly no online casino is going to allow you to even take 20k off them.Thats the problem. Thats why when I reach $500 to $1000 level in 2020. Im going to have to go to a place that doesnt mess up their panties. When someone wins 5 to 10k in an evening...
Hi Sentinel,
I am amazed at my B&M Casino I play on the electronic tables and the min/max bet is $1/$10,000 for Roulette, Baccarat and SicBo. I would love for you to come over here and place that $500-$1000 bet using the system and take them for $2,000 playing just 4 games. Risk : 500,1000,2000=$3,500
I personally have put some large bets on these tables. Got up to $400 at one stage. Unfortunately, lost it and wiped out two hours of profits I had accumulated playing one of my systems. Since then been very gun shy. But once my fighting fund has reached the $10K mark I will confidently be back there placing those $250-$500 bets.
Just got back from my BM casino today for another $23 win and fighting fund is now $594. Played PB on SicBo and won $10 so will start keeping track of how many wins I can achieve on this game playing 1 session a visit.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 20, 01:45 AM 2018
Now I see how to use PB on baccarat.
I don't know what to do when tie occurs.
Is baccarat 50/50?
Right now I'm trying to learn the game.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 19, 11:49 PM 2018Can someone explain to me how to play Baccarat in a simple and straight way? Is this game really more lucrative than roulette? How do I use The PB system in Baccarat?
I'd like to give it a try and get hints
Hi Andre,
I played two games today and won them both. Used the attached tracker to track two tables simultaneously.
Great thing about Baccarat is Tie gets your money back but the Banker has a small 5c in the dollar cost if you win on it so its really 1.95:1. But it is the most even game out there. And as Atlantis said a little early the cards are FIXED for the whole show. Due to the rules the cards will get dealt exactly as the rules state. There is no variance to randomness while you are playing. At the Online Casino I play at I was amazed to see the cards are actually in an open show and are hand shuffled. The dealers play ALL cards from start to finish so its not like BJ where they only have 50% penetration of the deck before reshuffling.
So this got me thinking that PB may in the long run be a great strategy for this game on Online casinos. There is no potential for manipulation and you are only dealing with variance from the initial shuffle. Once the dealer starts that's it. If BP is able to dodge randomness for that show it has not chance of catching up and suddenly deal that last pattern right after the 7th pattern.
All I need now is Bacarrat Xtreme BOT to automate my play. :)
Cheers,
Ricky,
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 20, 07:36 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
I am amazed at my B&M Casino I play on the electronic tables and the min/max bet is $1/$10,000 for Roulette, Baccarat and SicBo. I would love for you to come over here and place that $500-$1000 bet using the system and take them for $2,000 playing just 4 games. Risk : 500,1000,2000=$3,500
I personally have put some large bets on these tables. Got up to $400 at one stage. Unfortunately, lost it and wiped out two hours of profits I had accumulated playing one of my systems. Since then been very gun shy. But once my fighting fund has reached the $10K mark I will confidently be back there placing those $250-$500 bets.
Just got back from my BM casino today for another $23 win and fighting fund is now $594. Played PB on SicBo and won $10 so will start keeping track of how many wins I can achieve on this game playing 1 session a visit.
Cheers,
Ricky
Yes Ricky a walk in casino will let you take serious money before they start panicking. Online Casinos are less tolerant. Thats why when im at the level Where my base bet is â,¬500. Im going to have to put on a suit more often.
I would love to visit Australia. So that could indeed be on the cards in 2020. A john legend world tour. Of the major casino spots. Making it known that roulette can be systematically beaten by a mechanical system.
When that truly sinks in there wont be the same attitude towards systems as there is at this time.
The only way to do it is take serious money off these people. Thats the only thing that will draw attention.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 20, 08:04 AM 2018
I played two games today and won them both. Used the attached tracker to track two tables simultaneously.
Cheers,
Ricky,
This tracker for Baccarat is working a treat. Just finished my 6th game. Played two simultaneously. Won all 6. Now I'm 6-0. Sentinel I'm going to try and get to the record 53-0 playing 2 games a day of Bacarrat and see if I can dodge randomness for that long. At $10 a win that will be another $500 to the fighting fund
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 19, 01:10 PM 2018
For any even chance betting method, baccarat is usually the best game where you can apply that method.
Remember, roulette has the 0/00 and craps has the bar number (either the 12 or the 2) to make things difficult for your bank roll.
Baccarat has the Tie, but it does NOT have any effect on your B / P bet.
So if you browse through this forum or any other roulette forum and you come across any even chance betting method that interests you, seriously think of applying it to baccarat first before you apply it to craps or roulette.
In terms of Patience, if PB holds up at the same or better strike rate as Roulette, I think it is a quicker game to play the system. Here are my results so far on Baccarat
Game Hands to Last Pattern Last Pattern Result
1 45 PPB W
2 27 BBP LLW
3 36 PPP W
4 48 BPP W
5 27 BBP LW
6 60 BPB W
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 20, 08:04 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
I played two games today and won them both. Used the attached tracker to track two tables simultaneously.
Great thing about Baccarat is Tie gets your money back but the Banker has a small 5c in the dollar cost if you win on it so its really 1.95:1. But it is the most even game out there. And as Atlantis said a little early the cards are FIXED for the whole show. Due to the rules the cards will get dealt exactly as the rules state. There is no variance to randomness while you are playing. At the Online Casino I play at I was amazed to see the cards are actually in an open show and are hand shuffled. The dealers play ALL cards from start to finish so its not like BJ where they only have 50% penetration of the deck before reshuffling.
So this got me thinking that PB may in the long run be a great strategy for this game on Online casinos. There is no potential for manipulation and you are only dealing with variance from the initial shuffle. Once the dealer starts that's it. If BP is able to dodge randomness for that show it has not chance of catching up and suddenly deal that last pattern right after the 7th pattern.
All I need now is Bacarrat Xtreme BOT to automate my play. :)
Cheers,
Ricky,
Hi Ricky
I'm trying to understand how to use PB in baccarat.
Do you use the original PB system betting against the 8st pattern to form?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 20, 08:05 AM 2018
Yes Ricky a walk in casino will let you take serious money before they start panicking. Online Casinos are less tolerant. Thats why when im at the level Where my base bet is â,¬500. Im going to have to put on a suit more often.
I would love to visit Australia. So that could indeed be on the cards in 2020. A john legend world tour. Of the major casino spots. Making it known that roulette can be systematically beaten by a mechanical system.
When that truly sinks in there wont be the same attitude towards systems as there is at this time.
The only way to do it is take serious money off these people. Thats the only thing that will draw attention.
Why don't you play in a real casino?
I have organic baccarat
Real cards with electronic arm
May be perfect for this Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 20, 10:35 AM 2018
Why don't you play in a real casino?
I have done. But I like the idea of making money while relaxing on the sofa. REAL CASINOS. Have two drawbacks. They are full of people. And the times between spins ARE SLOW. Online you get two spins a minute on average. In a casino 1 spin every 3 to 5 minutes.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 20, 10:32 AM 2018Hi Ricky
I'm trying to understand how to use PB in baccarat.
Do you use the original PB system betting against the 8st pattern to form?
Yes I do. If you look at the spreadsheet you will notice a column called "Act". You start by clearing all the results and notice the tracker on top sets count of patterns to 0. As the results (P/B) come in from the game you enter them. You will then notice the pattern of 3 forming. So once all patterns come out you will be left with the 8th Pattern. Its this pattern that you bet AGAINST. So if last pattern was PBP you would bet BPB with a 1-2-4 progression. The only way to lose is for the next three games to result the same as the last pattern. In this case it would need to be PBP.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 20, 11:11 AM 2018
In a casino 1 spin every 3 to 5 minutes.
I think it will be a problem playing the PB system in a real casino.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 20, 11:11 AM 2018I have done. But I like the idea of making money while relaxing on the sofa. REAL CASINOS. Have two drawbacks. They are full of people. And the times between spins ARE SLOW. Online you get two spins a minute on average. In a casino 1 spin every 3 to 5 minutes.
Not sure if you have the rapid roulette in UK but that's once convenience at the BM casino. It spins ever 30-45 seconds depending on the dealer speed and ball rotations
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 20, 11:16 AM 2018I think it will be a problem playing the PB system in a real casino.
Actually I have tracked it on a normal table and use the history board of last 10 or so spins to prefill some of the patterns. It took about 20 minutes to complete the patterns and qualify for a bet. But as Sentinel says if your putting down $200-$500 its well worth the wait
Well I'll start playing my first session baccarat using PB. My heart is beating like a drum...lol
Good look for me!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 20, 07:49 PM 2018
Well I'll start playing my first session baccarat using PB. My heart is beating like a drum...lol
Good look for me!
Hi Andre, I've started here is my current results playing PB
Good job on baccarat
I can try this on the organic baccarat machine. No dealer but real cards
People sit there for hours
I’m impatient so I’d probably use $100 unit size and go home after one win
Ok, I played PB on Baccarat but it was RNG so I lost after some wins it went down pretty fast as I have said in the past RNG ain't real BOYS.
The pattern was LLLW then I got the W lol.
RNG sucks at least I did not lose money lol.
Stuart
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 21, 08:33 AM 2018
I can try this on the organic baccarat machine. No dealer but real cards
Yes, as long as the hands are being dealt using real cards (even if being done by a robotic device), you should be fine.
Of course, if the cards are generated on a screen graphically, then of course its the typical RNG garbage and should be avoided as such.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 21, 08:41 AM 2018
Ok, I played PB on Baccarat but it was RNG so I lost after some wins it went down pretty fast as I have said in the past RNG ain't real BOYS.
The pattern was LLLW then I got the W lol.
RNG sucks at least I did not lose money lol.
Stuart
Avoid RNGS like the plague. Theyre not roulette or baccarat.
They were created to prey on people who lack the most essential incredient to be successful at roulette at any form of gambling. PATIENCE. Those people who are in a hurry to join the 98% of losers.
I CONCUR YOU WIn until THE BOTTOM falls out with RNG lol.
Stuart
Actually, Random.org has the best RNG there is from my experience.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 21, 09:48 AM 2018
I CONCUR YOU WIn until THE BOTTOM falls out with RNG lol.
Stuart
Actually, Random.org has the best RNG there is from my experience.
I agree with random.org
This is the machine at my local casino
40 minutes drive from the suburbs depending on the belt PARKINGLOT lol
Check out the baccarat machine
link:s://youtu.be/fahTI80g6N4
It was pretty good playing baccarat yesterday.
Four sessions with progression 50, 100, 200
LW
W
W
LW
Total profit $200,00
Without the zero the game go easy
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 21, 01:07 AM 2018
Hi Andre, I've started here is my current results playing PB
Nice!
I'll try using the tracker
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 21, 10:11 AM 2018
This is the machine at my local casino
40 minutes drive from the suburbs depending on the belt PARKINGLOT lol
Check out the baccarat machine
link:s://youtu.be/fahTI80g6N4
Nice place!
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 21, 09:48 AM 2018
Actually, Random.org has the best RNG there is from my experience.
But I still would NOT use it to test any betting methods.
For testing, I would still very strongly recommend using real spins (airball or dealer-spun).
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 21, 10:15 AM 2018
It was pretty good playing baccarat yesterday.
Four sessions with progression 50, 100, 200
LW
W
W
LW
Total profit $200,00
Without the zero the game go easy
Good job.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 21, 12:12 PM 2018
Good job.
Thank you Doctor!
It's really the best even game out there.
I'm trying to figure out the best progression before I start a new session.
1, 2, 4 or
1, 2, 3 or
1, 1, 3 or
1, 2 or
1, 1, 3, 6
etc...
Bets starting $50
I realized the less you stay n the game the most the chances to get out n profit
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 21, 10:15 AM 2018
It was pretty good playing baccarat yesterday.
Four sessions with progression 50, 100, 200
LW
W
W
LW
Total profit $200,00
Without the zero the game go easy
Nice!
Hey Andre, lets say you had bad luck and lost a set, would your next game still be 50,100,200?
Just bet on the red and i hope i will win.
Quote from: Gandhi on Feb 21, 01:06 PM 2018
Nice!
Hey Andre, lets say you had bad luck and lost a set, would your next game still be 50,100,200?
Yes it would
I have a bankroll of 7.000 n that casino
Quote from: Shapied on Feb 21, 01:30 PM 2018
Just bet on the red and i hope i will win.
Interesting suggestion -- thanks !
I have to definitely test it out.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 21, 12:49 PM 2018
Thank you Doctor!
It's really the best even game out there.
I'm trying to figure out the best progression before I start a new session.
1, 2, 4 or
1, 2, 3 or
1, 1, 3 or
1, 2 or
1, 1, 3, 6
etc...
Bets starting $50
I realized the less you stay n the game the most the chances to get out n profit
For all the even chance methods, baccarat is, arguably, the best game out there.
When I started playing the PB method over two years ago, I used to play the 1 2 2 progression (Note: when you win the third step, you would have a 1 unit loss for that particular game).
It worked, meaning I was making profits consistently.
For the last few months, I have been playing the 1 2 and it is also holding up pretty well (so far).
I would skip the 1 1 3 6 progression, though.
Try,1 3 2 4
10 units
Ok, guys, I did a bunch of testing and used a randomized BANKER PLAYER LIST against live web Baccarat today and would you think it did very well.
Here is the list check it out.
It's CRAZY LIKE RANDOM AGAINST RANDOM ON Crack LOL, AND METH TOO.
List Randomizer
There were 96 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
BANKER
BANKER
BANKER
BANKER
PLAYER
BANKER
BANKER
BANKER
BANKER
PLAYER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
PLAYER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
PLAYER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
BANKER
BANKER
BANKER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
PLAYER
BANKER
BANKER
BANKER
PLAYER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
BANKER
PLAYER
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PLAYER
PLAYER
BANKER
BANKER
BANKER
BANKER
PLAYER
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BANKER
BANKER
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BANKER
PLAYER
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BANKER
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BANKER
BANKER
BANKER
PLAYER
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BANKER
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PLAYER
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STUART
So good so far!
More five sessions playing baccarat using PBs variation.
LW
LW
W
LLW
W
Progression 30, 60, 120
Profit $150
Baccarat is the game!!!
Mr sentinel3, let's go to Vegas soon!
How do you play it on Baccarat? Can someone give an example?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 21, 11:06 PM 2018
So good so far!
More five sessions playing baccarat using PBs variation.
LW
LW
W
LLW
W
Progression 30, 60, 120
Profit $150
Baccarat is the game!!!
Mr sentinel3, let's go to Vegas soon!
Ha ha Andre By Saturday you will have lost a few hands and be telling everyone stay away from PB.
Watch this space. :xd:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 22, 01:51 AM 2018
Ha ha Andre By Saturday you will have lost a few hands and be telling everyone stay away from PB.
Watch this space. :xd:
Andre,
do you have the number of hands played for each game to get to the last pattern. This may prove valuable in looking for zones of when to bet or not
I am currently on a 20 game winning streak on my online casino playing Baccarat. BUT I went to my BM casino today and tracked a $50 min table for about 45 minutes. I placed some virtual bets to see how I would have went.
Last pattern was BPP. It took 42 hands excluding the ties to get to the final pattern.
I watched in anticipation for the next 3 bets. Out they came B P P. I would have lost $200. My first loss witnessed in Baccarat using PB. I am glad for the experience because it reminded me of the potential for a losing streak. So I am ensuring my Fighting Fund grows large enough to withstand these losses before I start risking high wagers. It now stands at $615
Cheers,
Ricky
What makes this so powerful is the fact that the wins outweigh the losses
Just need to have the bankroll to take two losses close together
Quote from: boyd30 on Feb 22, 01:12 AM 2018
How do you play it on Baccarat? Can someone give an example?
Hi boyd30,
Track the game the same as you do with Roulette. Treat the Player/Banker Bets the same as you do the High/Low or Odd/Even
so there are the same 8 patterns you need to mark off
PPP
PPB
PBP
PBB
BPP
BPB
BBP
BBB
If all are marked off except say BPP then you start Betting on the OPPOSITE of this sequence UNTIL you win using 1-2-4 progression. In this case it wold be PBB. As per normal PB rules you stop after the first winning bet.
Cheers,
Ricky
There is a more effective way to play .
There are 8 patterns.
How many patterns does random produce in 24 spins out of the 8.
2.67 a third will not show this part I don't know because I have not looked into it.but if it is anything like the LOTT . Then simply bet on repeats within the 24 Spins waiting for the first 2 results.and betting only 1 spin for a repeat in pattern.
Ricky
I'm not using the original PB system. I play in a different way. For example I wait for one of these two patterns to form twice in a row and then I bet against it. Sometimes I wait a pattern to form three times.
BPP
BPP
bet
PBB
PBB
PBB
bet
BPP
CHT and DOCTORSUDOKU play the same way.
...and I have not lost a daily session yet. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Feb 22, 11:21 AM 2018
...and I have not lost a daily session yet. :thumbsup:
Me too so far... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 22, 10:17 AM 2018
Hi boyd30,
Track the game the same as you do with Roulette. Treat the Player/Banker Bets the same as you do the High/Low or Odd/Even
so there are the same 8 patterns you need to mark off
PPP
PPB
PBP
PBB
BPP
BPB
BBP
BBB
If all are marked off except say BPP then you start Betting on the OPPOSITE of this sequence UNTIL you win using 1-2-4 progression. In this case it wold be PBB. As per normal PB rules you stop after the first winning bet.
Cheers,
Ricky
Thank you Ricky!
Quote from: cht on Feb 22, 11:21 AM 2018
...and I have not lost a daily session yet. :thumbsup:
CHT do you wait for two, three, or four consecutive repeats before betting against?
Also are you guys still not betting against PPP or BBB? If I'm not mistaken, I read earlier you guys avoided betting against these two patterns.
Quote from: Gandhi on Feb 22, 11:53 AM 2018
CHT do you wait for two, three, or four consecutive repeats before betting against?
No, bet immediately after the 1st repeat.
If you wait for 2,3,4 consecutive repeats there's few opportunities to bet and it doesn't improve your odds.
Also are you guys still not betting against PPP or BBB? If I'm not mistaken, I read earlier you guys avoided betting against these two patterns.
Yup, I don't bet against these 2 patterns.
When you bet
which repeat 1 is the key.
Hey, guys, I have been going to this website to test PATTERN BREAKER on live real video of baccarat
I would go to five dimes but they will not let me watch without making a deposit.
The ladies are very nice and but it takes like an hour to get our remaining PBP or whatever we are looking to play against.
link:s://betgames.tv/demo
Just go to the live feed of BACCARAT you cant just watch and cant play or wager but my big problem is they get a result about every 90 seconds and it's like watching a plant grow.
Yesterday I waited 68 minutes to get my triple, and the results are really not RNG.
Where can US players play online and I don't like FIVE DIMES????????
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 22, 01:47 PM 2018
Hey, guys, I have been going to this website to test PATTERN BREAKER on live real video of baccarat
I would go to five dimes but they will not let me watch without making a deposit.
The ladies are very nice and but it takes like an hour to get our remaining PBP or whatever we are looking to play against.
link:s://betgames.tv/demo
Just go to the live feed of BACCARAT you cant just watch and cant play or wager but my big problem is they get a result about every 90 seconds and it's like watching a plant grow.
Yesterday I waited 68 minutes to get my triple, and the results are really not RNG.
Where can US players play online and I don't like FIVE DIMES????????
Stuart
Please try Fairway Casino. You can practice with fun money and it's live dealer.
Bikemotorman
Jackpot capital is one I know of
Wizard of odds site has a list of all liver dealer casinos. They list which ones are US friendly.
Google it. If I post the link chances are Steve will delete it
I have been on here for a fairly long time,,, a lot of tremendous insight in this community,,, Now ,,, if you are into the grind,,, with Pattern Breaker,,, there is a better option in my humble opinion,,, and that is pattern catcher,,, with roulette this can be done with 4 different 50 50 bets at the same time you would be able to start betting almost immediately and there would be a stop loss and such ,,, with a very high upside potential ,,, there would be no negative progression,,, a positive one instead,,, if there is interest I will elaborate ,, if not,,, thats fine also ,,,
Fire on mickey. Probably you can start a thread on pattern catcher
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 22, 01:47 PM 2018
Where can US players play online and I don't like FIVE DIMES????????
Stuart
You can also try:
:.betphoenix.ag
Quote from: mikeyespo on Feb 22, 03:53 PM 2018
I have been on here for a fairly long time,,, a lot of tremendous insight in this community,,, Now ,,, if you are into the grind,,, with Pattern Breaker,,, there is a better option in my humble opinion,,, and that is pattern catcher,,, with roulette this can be done with 4 different 50 50 bets at the same time you would be able to start betting almost immediately and there would be a stop loss and such ,,, with a very high upside potential ,,, there would be no negative progression,,, a positive one instead,,, if there is interest I will elaborate ,, if not,,, thats fine also ,,,
There are too many threads to follow on this web site.
If this pattern catcher method is related to pattern breaker, you might as well post it here.
So good so far!
More seven sessions playing baccarat using PBs variation.
W
LLW
W
LW
LW
LLW
LW
Progression 30, 60, 120
Profit $210
16--0
most importantly to me ,,,, is that I do not want to interfere with this thread...if the general census it to start a new thread. Then I will do so. Its just when I see what all are doing with pattern breaker with negative progression, and playing it once a day or so. Holding ones breath while doing so with larger amounts of money, so that there time waiting is worth while..honestly does not make a lot of sense to me ,because as we all know you are not changing the odds, it does not matter when you play the pattern,,... patterns come and go... no rocket science,,, how long a pattern will show and not show,, I surely dont know,... when it will or not show ,,, no system can tell you that . I guess you can believe that it will not show because its the 8th pattern so bet against... that has been around for a long time.... nothing new there. No matter what you decide to play as a system.... it will take patience and knowing you are (gambling). You are always going to need some luck on your side... but with what I will show you is that when luck is on your side you can do very well.. and when its not you will limit your losses...believe me the casino does not want you to limit your losses when luck is not on your side.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 22, 11:16 AM 2018
Ricky
I'm not using the original PB system. I play in a different way. For example I wait for one of these two patterns to form twice in a row and then I bet against it. Sometimes I wait a pattern to form three times.
BPP
BPP
bet
PBB
PBB
PBB
bet
BPP
CHT and DOCTORSUDOKU play the same way.
Hi Andre, I've seen long lasting patterns in Baccarat so I am not a fan of betting against patterns that can streak. Yesterday I say 9 players and 7 bankers in a row. So you just have to hope this did not start at the beginning of the set of 3 otherwise you will lose on the third set.
But let me know how you go long term. So far playing the original PB I am 21-0 with real money ($5-10 bets) but did see a shoe yesterday at my BM casino where I would have lost like $350 if I had played it to the full 1-2-4 progression. It was a $50 min table. Fortunately I was just observing. It took around 45 minutes to play to the last pattern. A long wait but in the long run if you are only playing max 5 hands a day with high units it will be well worth it given the high strike rate I am seeing.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 22, 07:09 PM 2018
Hi Andre, I've seen long lasting patterns in Baccarat so I am not a fan of betting against patterns that can streak. Yesterday I say 9 players and 7 bankers in a row.
That's very good!
I don't bet against BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP.
When it happens I win. For example:
BPPPPPPPP
I wold bet PBB and I'd win.
Can you see that?
Quote from: cht on Feb 22, 12:55 PM 2018
When you bet which repeat 1 is the key.
The issue I see with the rules you are stating is you are making it too flexible and there is room for error. You then end up kicking yourself because you made an exception that might have won you the game. Whats to say a pattern lik PBB PBB PBB PBB does not repeat many times. I have sen this too. So what do you do then, make this an exception or get caught out each time it happens.
By only having one set of rules with NO exception you can get a better idea of how the system is doing against random. As JL mentioned once random struggles to beat you after a certain level of complexity is introduced that he has to overcome to beat you. I tend to agree with that theory. The more hurdles you put in front of random the better your strike rate IMO. So to get him to deliver CONSISTENTLY that last pattern of 8 in my view is a decent hurdle to put to Mr Random which he fails to jump consistently. So you should look at your strike rate in terms of 100 games. How many can you win out of 100 and will you be in profit at the end of these games. So far it seems from Sentinel's records playing hit and run over the last 11 years that this win rate over 100 game is consistently bring in a profit.
The other thing you mention is about the lack of betting opportunities if you wait for three or more consecutive repeats. This is playing right into random's hand by giving him more opportunities to beat you. By betting LESS often for a higher value unit, say bet $50 for 1 bet a game instead of $15 three time more often, you will have a better chance of beating Mr Random long term for the same profit. So your risk is lower by 3 but your return on your bet is three times more than betting more often if this makes sense.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 22, 07:28 PM 2018
That's very good!
I don't bet against BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP.
When it happens I win. For example:
BPPPPPPPP
I wold bet PBB and I'd win.
Can you see that?
Hi Andre, let us know the track record of following this strategy over 100 spins. I see how your defining specific rules and thats from observing the game and making sure you don't get caught out but as I said see this as trying to make an educated guess. But at the end of the day all these systems are an educated guess playing against random. All I think we can agree on is money management is the number one factor and the method is only deployed to try and grow our bankroll before random catches up to us. I would be very interested to see how your method holds up long term and whether you are playing this hit and run or continuously daily.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: mikeyespo on Feb 22, 05:07 PM 2018
most importantly to me ,,,, is that I do not want to interfere with this thread...if the general census it to start a new thread. Then I will do so. Its just when I see what all are doing with pattern breaker with negative progression, and playing it once a day or so. Holding ones breath while doing so with larger amounts of money, so that there time waiting is worth while..honestly does not make a lot of sense to me ,because as we all know you are not changing the odds, it does not matter when you play the pattern,,... patterns come and go... no rocket science,,, how long a pattern will show and not show,, I surely dont know,... when it will or not show ,,, no system can tell you that . I guess you can believe that it will not show because its the 8th pattern so bet against... that has been around for a long time.... nothing new there. No matter what you decide to play as a system.... it will take patience and knowing you are (gambling). You are always going to need some luck on your side... but with what I will show you is that when luck is on your side you can do very well.. and when its not you will limit your losses...believe me the casino does not want you to limit your losses when luck is not on your side.
This is a pretty active thread (as you can see), so you can post it here.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 22, 07:31 PM 2018
The issue I see with the rules you are stating is you are making it too flexible and there is room for error.
The complete rules are clear, concise and fixed - Little chance for error in application.
You then end up kicking yourself because you made an exception that might have won you the game.
Yes, the exception might have won the game. The exception was eliminated because it loses more than it wins.
Whats to say a pattern lik PBB PBB PBB PBB does not repeat many times. I have sen this too. So what do you do then, make this an exception or get caught out each time it happens.
The whole point of the rules when and which to bet is to eliminate this repeated patterns that you and others have highlighted earlier.
Simply waiting for 2,3,4 consecutive repeats does not improve anything.
By only having one set of rules with NO exception you can get a better idea of how the system is doing against random.
It's one set of rules with no discretionary decisions involved.
As JL mentioned once random struggles to beat you after a certain level of complexity is introduced that he has to overcome to beat you. I tend to agree with that theory. The more hurdles you put in front of random the better your strike rate IMO. So to get him to deliver CONSISTENTLY that last pattern of 8 in my view is a decent hurdle to put to Mr Random which he fails to jump consistently.
There are many on this thread who play the revised JL PB with roulette and baccarat. Your combined results over time will indicate how good the system is.
So you should look at your strike rate in terms of 100 games. How many can you win out of 100 and will you be in profit at the end of these games. So far it seems from Sentinel's records playing hit and run over the last 11 years that this win rate over 100 game is consistently bring in a profit.
Even if I am assured sentinel's best record of 1st game in the day, I will stick to my method - it delivers far better results.
The other thing you mention is about the lack of betting opportunities if you wait for three or more consecutive repeats. This is playing right into random's hand by giving him more opportunities to beat you. By betting LESS often for a higher value unit, say bet $50 for 1 bet a game instead of $15 three time more often, you will have a better chance of beating Mr Random long term for the same profit. So your risk is lower by 3 but your return on your bet is three times more than betting more often if this makes sense.
We have seen different opinions about this hit&run approach. If it works for you, then continue to do it.
I play continuously two 2 1/2 hours sessions a day with my partner at the etg baccarat machines all qualified signals that appear with no arbitrary selection - no reason not to.
Cheers,
Ricky
Earlier I have given my word to sentinel that I will not discuss further my pattern method. I will answer the specific points that you brought up.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 22, 11:16 AM 2018
Ricky
I'm not using the original PB system. I play in a different way. For example I wait for one of these two patterns to form twice in a row and then I bet against it. Sometimes I wait a pattern to form three times.
BPP
BPP
bet
PBB
PBB
PBB
bet
BPP
CHT and DOCTORSUDOKU play the same way.
Andre,
I may have given you the wrong idea, but I do play the PB -- that is, bet against the last remaining (the 8th) pattern.
The only difference is that I have added a few tweaks of my own, including constantly switching from R/B to O/E to H/L and back to R/B after each game and using the 1 2 progression.
So I get Andrew's way of playing . Well done mate I hope winning streak will last forever. Please keep us updated.
@Dr Sudoku....if I may just double check....so you don't play all 3 of E/C pairs at the same time ?
@CHT.......Since you can't discuss your ways in this thread and since I am very interested in your tweaks , how do I find out about them, IF you are willing to share them , of course? :)
More three games before I go to bed.
LW
W
LW
Progression 30, 60, 120
Profit $90
19--0
It's like I'm printing money... Lol
Andree....you tease :)
Well done mate.
So you play only Baccarat ?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 22, 10:38 PM 2018
More three games before I go to bed.
LW
W
LW
Progression 30, 60, 120
Profit $90
19--0
It's like I'm printing money... Lol
Andre,
Just a friendly come-back-to-reality reminder: Since you are employing a 1 2 4 progression, one 3-step loss would would need 7 wins to recoup that loss.
There is a reason why I previously deployed a 1 2 2 progression and, even that was a bit too risky for my taste, so now I use the 1 2 progression.
Quote from: footy73 on Feb 22, 09:46 PM 2018
@Dr Sudoku....if I may just double check....so you don't play all 3 of E/C pairs at the same time ?
When I sit down at the airball wheel terminal, there are already about 24 numbers on the display. I start out targeting the R/B.
Within 15 minutes or so, the first trigger comes.
Win or lose, I then play a second game and this time I target the O/E.
Win or lose, I don't play the PB method for the next 1 or 2 hours (I play other methods during the interim period).
Then I may come back and target the H/L for the third game and then go back to the R/B for the fourth and final game.
That's it. I play 4 games of PB per casino visit.
And for each game, regardless of what has happened in the previous game(s), I stick to the 1 2 progression (the dollar amount of each unit stays the same throughout).
And after my airball adventures, I go and play craps and baccarat (craps is my favorite casino table game). ;D ;D
Thanks for that Dr :)
I can see you are able to enjoy your casino visits which is also important. Craps idea always attracts me but here in OZ they are not very popular in casino , and baccarat is my fav but minimum bet is $25 , so ......:)
Since our government banned all/most online casino's we are pretty much restricted to B&M , and tat makes you being careful with choosing the way how you would play and MM is very important .
Quote from: footy73 on Feb 22, 10:41 PM 2018
Andree....you tease :)
Well done mate.
So you play only Baccarat ?
Thanks!
Yes, I use this strategy only playing baccarat.
Forget Roulette, the zero wipe your bankroll.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 22, 11:36 PM 2018
Andre,
Just a friendly come-back-to-reality reminder: Since you are employing a 1 2 4 progression, one 3-step loss would would need 7 wins to recoup that loss.
There is a reason why I previously deployed a 1 2 2 progression and, even that was a bit too risky for my taste, so now I use the 1 2 progression.
Thanks for the advice!
I know what I'm doing and I know the risk.
I will try 1, 1, 3
Cheers
Let me introduce myself to this board,I'm Jerry and have been playing my version of PB with Baccarat now for over 6 months after reading over 100 pages or so and came up with this . It's been very successful at about 13 to 16 -1, and all you really need to break even is like 4-1,I start off with 1-2-4 then for recovery 3-6-9 ,Or 2-4-6 depending on how many units I'm down ,recovery takes 2x usually then back to 1-2-4 ......100× base bet for your bankroll just to be comfortable, p.s. I don't wait for the 8th pattern and also don't play against PPP or BBB why should I when the other 6 sets beat and P or B streaks since there is a P or B in every one
J
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 22, 11:16 AM 2018
Ricky
I'm not using the original PB system. I play in a different way. For example I wait for one of these two patterns to form twice in a row and then I bet against it. Sometimes I wait a pattern to form three times.
BPP
BPP
bet
PBB
PBB
PBB
bet
BPP
CHT and DOCTORSUDOKU play the same way.
Hi Andre,
Attached is one of my sessions last night, the first shows the screen of rapid baccarat where a live dealer deals a hand every 30 seconds(not RNG). The other two images are the patterns I have crossed off and the sequences in sets of three I have noted from the history on the screen. If you compare this with the screen's history you can follow the PB as they came out. The sequence starts PBBPBBPBB.... This is from the start of the shoe. As you can see its common to get PBB three or more times in a row.
In this example I got lucky and PB did not lose betting against the last pattern forming although I had to be patient and wait for 36 hands before placing my one and solitary bet. But that's another $5 added to my Fighting Fund (Bankroll) which I will use when I increase my stakes. As My bankroll increases so will my Base Bet.
Hopefully this example shows some how I play at a BM casino. Online I use the spreadsheet which I find useful for tracking two games simultaneously
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 23, 12:46 AM 2018I will try 1, 1, 3
Hi Andre,
1,1,3 is a good compromise to profiting from any winning sequence. So what you doing is hoping we have the winning sequence in the first bet. If not then we risk losing the next two so try for break even in the next bet and if we loss then that's just two units we have to recover so now go for a win on the third to try and beat random in the sequence of 3. If we win then back to 1 unit profit. If we lose we have two less units to recover (5 vs 7)
Another option is to go for a full unit in first but then only half unit in second and third bets 1-1.5-3 for a risk of 5.5 vs 7 when using 1-2-4
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 22, 10:38 PM 2018
More three games before I go to bed.
LW
W
LW
Progression 30, 60, 120
Profit $90
19--0
It's like I'm printing money... Lol
Just an update on my online baccarat playing the original PB my streak has come to an end at 28-1. I deployed a 4 unit recovery on the next game and recovered all losses. The game I lost on actually was a BBB and I missed placing the first bet on P so saved myself one bet. Then played $5 on second and lost so placed $10 on third and lost in total $15 rather than $20. I thought to myself whats the odds Mr Random is going to pop up on the very next shoe. Well its getting late and probably not a wise decision but was feeling confident playing the system so decided to go for a 1 game recovery and placed $20 which would give me a $5 gain. Fortunately won in on the first hand. So now I am 29-1 after 30 games.
Will be mostly offline for the next two weeks so won't be providing many updates
Cheers,
Ricky
Nice Ricky
In the event I suffered a loss I’d be inclined to use recobery units as well to get back all losses at next betting opportunity
However I’m too scared of a back to back loss so would probably just take the loss
Quote from: Gerard711 on Feb 23, 02:15 AM 2018
Let me introduce myself to this board,I'm Jerry and have been playing my version of PB with Baccarat now for over 6 months after reading over 100 pages or so and came up with this . It's been very successful at about 13 to 16 -1, and all you really need to break even is like 4-1,I start off with 1-2-4 then for recovery 3-6-9 ,Or 2-4-6 depending on how many units I'm down ,recovery takes 2x usually then back to 1-2-4 ......100× base bet for your bankroll just to be comfortable, p.s. I don't wait for the 8th pattern and also don't play against PPP or BBB why should I when the other 6 sets beat and P or B streaks since there is a P or B in every one
J
Welcome Jerry
So you have been playing for about six months.
May I ask you what's your PBs version? What's your way to play?
And you're right, there's no sense waiting for the 8th pattern, imho
Hi Ricky
I see you are scared of PBBPBBPBB lol
I never see more than three in a row an it's very rare to happen it. Baccarat is very different from roulette.
Actually if you play roulette it's the same with the zero lurking to hurt you. :twisted:
Off day today so I played for fun a session on roulettesimulator.
Anybody know if there's baccarat simulator ?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 23, 11:24 AM 2018
Nice Ricky
In the event I suffered a loss I’d be inclined to use recobery units as well to get back all losses at next betting opportunity
However I’m too scared of a back to back loss so would probably just take the loss
I'm scared too so I prefer just take the loss.
It because I start playing $30 a unit.
I should be ashamed of myself because I don't know yet how to play baccarat, if this method as you claim is a moneymaker system I should then hurry up and Learn baccarat today before tomorrow
-:)
Quote from: cht on Feb 23, 12:01 PM 2018
Actually if you play roulette it's the same with the zero lurking to hurt you. :twisted:
Off day today so I played for fun a session on roulettesimulator.
Anybody know if there's baccarat simulator ?
I realized that the variance in Baccarat looks lower than in roulette.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 12:18 PM 2018
I should be ashamed of myself because I don't know yet how to play baccarat, if this method as you claim is a moneymaker system I should then hurry up and Learn baccarat today before tomorrow
-:)
Don't waste more time, mate.
The strategy works great playing baccarat.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 23, 12:18 PM 2018
I realized that the variance in Baccarat looks lower than in roulette.
Indeed, the house edge is lower -:)
But roulette still attracts me
Really ?
Is it invincible? Please advice !
I will have then learn baccarat this weekend and then learn this system.
Hey Sentinel3, so playing your version do you bet against PPP or BBB if it's the last of the 8 pattern remaining?
Or any pattern you suggest not betting against if it's last remaining?
Hey, guys here is a little session this morning of PB on craps with my craps table at home won as always.................................................................................... I had one LLL the other day so not a big deal today I was, as usual, I won I think I am 15 and 1 loss so far for craps.
I did try to use PB on Baccarat but lost twice on the final Pattern BBB and I got a BBB and also another PPB and got PPB not a big deal but my knowledge of Baccarat is not very good I will try again on Baccarat soon.
MY TWO LLL, LLL WERE ON REAL BACCARAT NOT RNG.
I love PB on craps its GREAAAAAAT.
Stuart
Take a look at the sheet.
Roulette ,baccarat ,craps is all the same . And also heads ,tails .
Baccarat has no 0 but you still pay a commission on banker .
Pattern breaker can lose .be careful
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 12:21 PM 2018
Indeed, the house edge is lower -:)
Just an FYI for you.
The house edge for the Banker bet is 1.06%.
The house edge for the Player bet is 1.24%.
There is NOT one single bet in roulette (even for European single 0 roulette) that has a lower HE than the above two bets in baccarat.
iIts all the same .your playing with patterns they come they go . Like turbo said roulette has limits .trying to find limits on pattern within a set number of spins is the hard part once you figure that out the rest is money management.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 12:21 PM 2018
But roulette still attracts me
Yep, roulette is like the bright light bulb ....... you know the one that bugs get attracted to.
And what ultimately happens to most of those bugs when they reach the light bulb?
They buzz around it for a while ...... and most of them usually end up dying.
Pretty much the same thing happens to most gamblers when they get attracted to a roulette table.
They buzz around it for a while and then they -- or, more accurately, their bank rolls -- end up dying. :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: Winner on Feb 23, 02:41 PM 2018
Pattern breaker can lose .be careful
Are you serious!
Of course it can lose. If not I would be a millionaire.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 12:28 PM 2018
Really ?
Is it invincible? Please advice !
I will have then learn baccarat this weekend and then learn this system.
Invecible? Of course not, mate
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 23, 12:18 PM 2018I realized that the variance in Baccarat looks lower than in roulette.
Hi Andre,
Just look at the mechanics of Baccarat versus Roulette. I have only been playing Baccarat myself seriously since I discovered PB method. I never understood it and the rules of when a player or banker gets another card and what the significance of this rule. But without looking too much into the math I can imagine, together with the banker commission, or in some games where commission is not paid a banker 6 only pays 1:2, that the rule is there to entice the player to bet banker and force them to pay the commission or get lower odds if 6 were to hit.
But it was mentioned on this forum that when cards are shuffled at the beginning of the shoe random is "set" for the whole shoe. To my mind this means we are only dealing with random once for every bet we make. Whether we make 1 bet or 100 bets we are dealing with t he same random. The cards come out exactly the same on player hand and banker hand. And the rules dictate how many cards each will get. So, unlike roulette where a random event occurs each spin and can be influenced by the dealer and change of dealer and physical obstacles that cause the ball to bounce in an unpredictable manner, baccarat should behave with less variance based on the one shuffle performed by a machine or a dealer. My preference would be to play the game where cards are manually shuffled in front of you so there are no sneaky tricks deployed to put the cards in a certain order.
So, after looking at the mechanics of the game, I think it really is worth while performing the same sort of long term analysis on Baccarat as JL has done with Roulette. And I think this is what I am going to do to determine if I continue using PB on roulette or switch my preference to Baccarat.
For the record, I am also testing BP at my BM casino with $5 base bets on all the E/C games - SicB, Roulette, Baccarat playing 1 game of each on every visit. The exception is craps which I never really understood. So far I have NOT lost at any of these games playing PB. I am sure this will change as it has on my baccarat play on online casino but in all history of gambling I have never had such an incredible run of luck which actually is increasing my bankroll. I could never sustain winning more than $1000 before temptation got the better of me and I just handed it back to the casino, sometimes in one sitting.
I am on a mission to change my fortune and can now see myself joining many of you in winning $1,000s without giving any large percentage of it back. And that's why I am sticking with PB because I believe with it I will meet my goal. What I have done is set myself a challenge. Get to 100K starting at $1000. If you have been following my posts I initially was going to use fun money on a bot to play the system continuously and turn 1K to 100K to prove it works. But I came to realize you cannot expose yourself to random continuously and expect not to get struck more often that you would like. Playing sparingly max 10 times per day for higher value units is a quicker, "safer" way to get to the same goal with higher degree of success. So now I am using real money starting at $200 and set myself 10 challenges to get to $100K. I have met my first challenge turning $200 to $500. Now I have nine more challenges to go. I want to achieve this in the next 6-12 months. Even if I can complete 3-4 of these challenges I will be extremely happy. But would it be a story to claim that you can make $100K from $200 with disciplined play and patience using the best method I have ever come across in PATTERN BREAKER. This would seal my retirement for full time employment and prove anyone can achieve this rather than allowing the casinos to make billions of the impatience and lack of discipline from swarm of gamblers. $20 here $100 there people don't see it but the casinos do in their bottom line profits.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 23, 05:20 PM 2018
Are you serious!
Of course it can lose. If not I would be a millionaire.
It's a shitty feeling when you do lose and try to win back all the losses because you just lost and emotion gets in the way .
Hey, guys, I don't know what is wrong but I am seeing too many LLLs with PB for Baccarat I am playing against the final pattern and just seems to be too many times I have seen LLLs maybe I am just unlucky with Baccarat.
Yes, it is live dealer no RNG.
Now it is very good with Craps as I have been testing for weeks and just one instance of an LLL and that is with my craps table and me throwing.....I use a special dice grip and set, I believe we can influence the dice a bit maybe get an extra number before the SEVEN shows up.
I cant at this time take a chance with PB for Baccarat with real money, maybe its just me but I played a few games online and it seems RANDOM seems to find the opposite of the last pattern more often than with the final pattern.
BPP play PBB and I get BPP.
Maybe I should try playing the final pattern.............PPP now play PPP.
What do you guys think?????
Stuart
Hi Ricky,
I'm really enjoying playing Baccarat using my version of Pattern Breaker. I even stopped playing roulette for a while... Lol In Baccarat the cards are already ready for the game inside the box. There is no cheating as happens in roulette. I also realized that the variance is not the same as the roulette. Baccarat is a simple game without zero to hurt, no dealer cheats and no devil wheel ... lol. I'm now 29-1 and I'm happy about it.
I'm also thinking of making my small fortune by the end of the year. Who knows?
What matters in this strategy is discipline and patience. If you have a loss accept it and do not try to recover at once.
I'm not playing the original PB system. I'm using my version as I mentioned earlier and I'm doing very well.
I'm really excited about it!
Let's keep in touch.
Cheers
And I want to thank Sentinel3 for giving us this strategy and showed us a new way to play and win.
Thank you Mr. Sentinel3 (JL)
Slowly and steadily people realise that it makes all sense to play PB or it's variant with baccarat due to the lower HE and smaller variance. :thumbsup:
If you play it with roulette you must have a logical reason. Is there ? :question:
The final conclusion : is playing PB or it's best variant better played on roulette or baccarat ? :question:
If the best variant is not playable on baccarat then it's roulette else it's baccarat. :)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 23, 11:42 AM 2018
Welcome Jerry
So you have been playing for about six months.
May I ask you what's your PBs version? What's your way to play?
And you're right, there's no sense waiting for the 8th pattern, imho
I'm playing what I call random vs random and looking for 3-5 units a clip ,this is the simplest most effective method I have ever seen and I have seen a lot over the past 25 years,get in get up get out ,rinse and repeat
J
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 23, 10:07 PM 2018
Hey, guys, I don't know what is wrong but I am seeing too many LLLs with PB for Baccarat I am playing against the final pattern and just seems to be too many times I have seen LLLs maybe I am just unlucky with Baccarat.
Yes, it is live dealer no RNG.
Now it is very good with Craps as I have been testing for weeks and just one instance of an LLL and that is with my craps table and me throwing.....I use a special dice grip and set, I believe we can influence the dice a bit maybe get an extra number before the SEVEN shows up.
I cant at this time take a chance with PB for Baccarat with real money, maybe its just me but I played a few games online and it seems RANDOM seems to find the opposite of the last pattern more often than with the final pattern.
BPP play PBB and I get BPP.
Maybe I should try playing the final pattern.............PPP now play PPP.
What do you guys think?????
Stuart
Reality check - some people win, some people lose playing JL PB - if it works for you play on if not stop.
I said earlier on - I'm not a luckyfella.
Quote from: cht on Feb 24, 05:17 AM 2018
Reality check - some people win, some people lose playing JL PB - if it works for you play on if not stop.
I said earlier on - I'm not a luckyfella.
How to play craps ?
What casino do offer this game ?
I didn't find it !
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 23, 10:07 PM 2018
Hey, guys, I don't know what is wrong but I am seeing too many LLLs with PB for Baccarat I am playing against the final pattern and just seems to be too many times I have seen LLLs maybe I am just unlucky with Baccarat.
Yes, it is live dealer no RNG.
Now it is very good with Craps as I have been testing for weeks and just one instance of an LLL and that is with my craps table and me throwing.....I use a special dice grip and set, I believe we can influence the dice a bit maybe get an extra number before the SEVEN shows up.
I cant at this time take a chance with PB for Baccarat with real money, maybe its just me but I played a few games online and it seems RANDOM seems to find the opposite of the last pattern more often than with the final pattern.
BPP play PBB and I get BPP.
Maybe I should try playing the final pattern.............PPP now play PPP.
What do you guys think?????
Stuart
Hi Stuart
That was me before I discovered PB
As I mentioned in one of my first posts I followed a similar method betting against a repeating pattern of 7 spins
I could swear my BM casino was rigging the wheel. I would win on small bets but as soon as I had this 100-200 bets down the pattern would repeat. I left that casino many times with my tail between my legs in despair that a supposed clever betting method was getting the better of me
But what I realise is the problem was me not the casino. Betting more than I should have and risking all of my bankroll in one session. I have since learnt to take is slow .
In terms of your luck or lack of it using this method you could try betting with the pattern or try some of these other options being discussed. Find what works for you. But I would recommend tracking some more tables before life betting and see if the trend continues
For me I have experienced the opposite
Also ensure the cards are hand shuffled to avoid any manipulation by machines
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 23, 10:48 PM 2018
Hi Ricky,
I'm really enjoying playing Baccarat using my version of Pattern Breaker. I even stopped playing roulette for a while... Lol In Baccarat the cards are already ready for the game inside the box. There is no cheating as happens in roulette. I also realized that the variance is not the same as the roulette. Baccarat is a simple game without zero to hurt, no dealer cheats and no devil wheel ... lol. I'm now 29-1 and I'm happy about it.
I'm also thinking of making my small fortune by the end of the year. Who knows?
What matters in this strategy is discipline and patience. If you have a loss accept it and do not try to recover at once.
I'm not playing the original PB system. I'm using my version as I mentioned earlier and I'm doing very well.
I'm really excited about it!
Let's keep in touch.
Cheers
It great isn’t it andre. I am going to stick to my plan. If I achieve it I will have a source of capital for my other passion share trading and investing. It will be the ultimate passive income one feeding the other. Profit from gambling getting converted to recurrent dividends and fixed interest. And I get to retire 15 years before I would normally be forced to. This venture for me is a means to an end. Looking forward to spending more time travelling. 2020 is a milestone for me to start that journey
Who wants to join me? :D
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 24, 09:45 AM 2018
It great isn’t it andre. I am going to stick to my plan. If I achieve it I will have a source of capital for my other passion share trading and investing. It will be the ultimate passive income one feeding the other. Profit from gambling getting converted to recurrent dividends and fixed interest. And I get to retire 15 years before I would normally be forced to. This venture for me is a means to an end. Looking forward to spending more time travelling. 2020 is a milestone for me to start that journey
Who wants to join me? :D
A lot, the first one who comes to my mind right now is Luck7Red, he would loves to travel to vegas.
He is gonna sell all his stuff before travelling to vegas and there bet all his money on 7 Red.. he might become a MILLIONAIRE:)
He's kinda suicide guy
:)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 09:52 AM 2018
A lot, the first one who comes to my mind right now is Luck7Red, he would loves to travel to vegas.
He is gonna sell all his stuff before travelling to vegas and there bet all his money on 7 Red.. he might become a MILLIONAIRE:)
He's kinda suicide guy
:)
Hasn’t that been done before :D
Ok, I found out why I was having some problems with losses on PB with Baccarat.
The site I was playing on had a board with PB on it but I looked more closely and found out the board was inaccurate regarding results.
Well I was being a bit lazy and it made me get some LLLs back to back, so now I will write down the results by hand and by my own eyes seeing the results.
I also remember some BM casinos would have results that were wrong on the tote board on purpose as not to give players too much info about the wheel trends.
Just my take guys.
And so the moral of the story never ever take shortcuts especially when you have real money on a real wager.
Stuart
The history board on etg machine is always correct. The history board for manual tables is often wrong for roulette tables, baccarat tables mostly correct except the details of pairs and natural 8/9 -
baccarat players tend to inform the dealer of errors.
Quote from: cht on Feb 22, 11:21 AM 2018
...and I have not lost a daily session yet. :thumbsup:
Hey CHT
You're saying you're not a luckyfella?
So you're contradicting yourself... I'm not understanding your statement.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 24, 11:22 AM 2018
Hey CHT
You're saying you're not a luckyfella?
So you're contradicting yourself... I'm not understanding your statement.
No contradiction Andre, my partner and I decided to test play revised JL PB on roulette a few days back for signals that come within 21-30spins @ $50 unit based on sentinel's testimony and Tinsoldiers good results, our result -
LLL (-$350)
W - (+$50)
W - (+$50)
LW - (+$50)
LLL - (-$350) stop play.
We decided to go back to play our pattern variant that we usually play with baccarat @ $250 unit won back the loss but net did not meet daily profit target. Slow tiring grind but win - we're looking for something
more efficient and less tiring. :)
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 23, 08:45 PM 2018
I am on a mission to change my fortune and can now see myself joining many of you in winning $1,000s without giving any large percentage of it back. And that's why I am sticking with PB because I believe with it I will meet my goal. What I have done is set myself a challenge. Get to 100K starting at $1000. If you have been following my posts I initially was going to use fun money on a bot to play the system continuously and turn 1K to 100K to prove it works. But I came to realize you cannot expose yourself to random continuously and expect not to get struck more often that you would like. Playing sparingly max 10 times per day for higher value units is a quicker, "safer" way to get to the same goal with higher degree of success. So now I am using real money starting at $200 and set myself 10 challenges to get to $100K. I have met my first challenge turning $200 to $500. Now I have nine more challenges to go. I want to achieve this in the next 6-12 months. Even if I can complete 3-4 of these challenges I will be extremely happy. But would it be a story to claim that you can make $100K from $200 with disciplined play and patience using the best method I have ever come across in PATTERN BREAKER. This would seal my retirement for full time employment and prove anyone can achieve this rather than allowing the casinos to make billions of the impatience and lack of discipline from swarm of gamblers. $20 here $100 there people don't see it but the casinos do in their bottom line profits.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hey Ricky, awesome goals I hope you reach them!
Just interested in your MM turning your 200 to 500 were you playing 5 dollar bets and using 1-2-4 prog from the start?
Quote from: cht on Feb 24, 12:48 PM 2018
No contradiction Andre, my partner and I decided to test play revised JL PB on roulette a few days back for signals that come within 21-30spins @ $50 unit based on sentinel's testimony and Tinsoldiers good results, our result -
LLL (-$350)
W - (+$50)
W - (+$50)
LW - (+$50)
LLL - (-$350) stop play.
We decided to go back to play our pattern variant that we usually play with baccarat @ $250 unit won back the loss but net did not meet daily profit target. Slow tiring grind but win - we're looking for something
more efficient and less tiring. :)
Well, you're talking about using the original PB playing roulette.
I don't use the original PB and I dont play roulette.
I play baccarat using my version of pattern breaker
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 24, 09:45 AM 2018
It great isn’t it andre. I am going to stick to my plan. If I achieve it I will have a source of capital for my other passion share trading and investing. It will be the ultimate passive income one feeding the other. Profit from gambling getting converted to recurrent dividends and fixed interest. And I get to retire 15 years before I would normally be forced to. This venture for me is a means to an end. Looking forward to spending more time travelling. 2020 is a milestone for me to start that journey
Who wants to join me? :D
Hi Ricky
I want to join you...lol
That's great! I'm now 50--1 playing only baccarat using my pattern breaker version.
21wins today with no loss
I'm using now a different progression
1, 1, 3 and doin great
And I'm not playing hit and run. I stop playing only when I'm tired or satisfied.
Man, I'm staring to believe that I can make my little fortune...lol
My start betting is $30 a unit
Cheers
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 22, 01:51 AM 2018
Ha ha Andre By Saturday you will have lost a few hands and be telling everyone stay away from PB.
Watch this space. :xd:
Mr sentinel3
It's Saturday!
And I'm 50--1. Haha
Cheers
Hi guys, just like to share how im doing playing PB. About 3 weeks back got some great advice from sentinel to play no more than 2 games per session. And retrack 10 spins back for the next game
Since then iv had....
12 wins, Loss, 36 <current!
Im very happy.. Also today in my 2 sessions 4 games. I had 4wins on the first step 😀😀😀😀
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 24, 01:28 PM 2018
Mr sentinel3
It's Saturday!
And I'm 50--1. Haha
Cheers
Well done. And all this from the guy that told us, "IF YOU WALK INTO A CASINO AND TELL THE STAFF YOU HAVE A SYSTEM, THEY WILL LAUGH AT YOU".
Pattern Breaker in many forms will defeat roulette. Use whatever is working for you. I just came off a streak of 54 games with PBR. My first game of the day is now 43 DAYS NO LOSS. Imagine you walked into a casino in las vegas. Once a day. Played one game for 2k. And parlayed that bet for 30 days. 13 less than I am at right now. Do you think theyd be laughing by the time youd won your 30th day.
These are my top 5 winning streaks for the first bet of the day since 2008.
102 DAYS
100 DAYS
87 DAYS
69 DAYS
43 DAYS (CURRENT)
And 76 streaks of at least 25 days. Pull a 30 day parlay on a casino and they wouldnt be laughing. Do it 6 times in ONE YEAR. And they certainly wouldnt be laughing.
How many games are you playing everyday ?
I personally think if you want to test the efficiency of a system you should do a stress test, try to put the system in action in a large number of games's rounds without stop.
If it fails then the system is loser, if it resists the stress test then is winner.
Well you guys if playing only one or two rounds per day then u are playing hit and run!
You were right Mr sentinel3
Let's go to Vegas soon... Lol
Update: 56--1 because I'm B-B-B-B-bad, bad to the bone! Haha
link:s://youtu.be/OlwRNCnsbUg
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 03:26 PM 2018
Well you guys if playing only one or two rounds per day then u are playing hit and run!
I'm not playing hit and run. I stop playing only when I'm tired or satisfied.
Please read my previous posts
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 03:26 PM 2018
How many games are you playing everyday ?
I personally think if you want to test the efficiency of a system you should do a stress test, try to put the system in action in a large number of games's rounds without stop.
If it fails then the system is loser, if it resists the stress test then is winner.
Well you guys if playing only one or two rounds per day then u are playing hit and run!
It never works that way. A smart player aims to win. Not get into a fight with variance. If I could make my money from just ONE SPIN a day believe me I would take that.
Im playing to win. Not get into a battle. And that being the case. All one.needs is a system that can deliver that one consistent win a day.
And I have that. And thats all that matters.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 24, 03:27 PM 2018
You were right Mr sentinel3
Let's go to Vegas soon... Lol
Update: 56--1 because I'm B-B-B-B-bad, bad to the bone! Haha
link:s://youtu.be/OlwRNCnsbUg
Im going to vegas in 2020. By then you will be a multi millionaire. So you can pay for us all to stay in the best hotel in town lol. Lets see Andre. Youve always been one to be talking it large for a few weeks. Then go off the boil. If you have the system now. You will be a millionaire by July 2020.
Then you are ready to make a serious noise in vegas. And one and for all prove the owner of this forum wrong.
Who believes no mechanical system. Least of all a 3 step marty pattern breaker style system can own this game.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 24, 04:15 PM 2018
Im going to vegas in 2020. By then you will be a multi millionaire. So you can pay for us all to stay in the best hotel in town lol. Lets see Andre. Youve always been one to be talking it large for a few weeks. Then go off the boil. If you have the system now. You will be a millionaire by July 2020.
Then you are ready to make a serious noise in vegas. And one and for all prove the owner of this forum wrong
Where are you planning to play in Vegas PB single zeros are few ,live wheel play is slow and air ball is is every 30 second spin with a double zero if you play online you will see that Vegas is very different .a lot of distraction you Better have patience of a monk waiting for your last pattern to come out.
Who believes no mechanical system. Least of all a 3 step marty pattern breaker style system can own this game.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 24, 04:15 PM 2018
Im going to vegas in 2020. By then you will be a multi millionaire. So you can pay for us all to stay in the best hotel in town lol. Lets see Andre. Youve always been one to be talking it large for a few weeks. Then go off the boil. If you have the system now. You will be a millionaire by July 2020.
Then you are ready to make a serious noise in vegas. And one and for all prove the owner of this forum wrong
Where are you planning to play in Vegas PB single zeros are few ,live wheel play is slow and air ball is is every 30 second spin with a double zero if you play online you will see that Vegas is very different .a lot of distraction you Better have patience of a monk waiting for your last pattern to come out.
Who believes no mechanical system. Least of all a 3 step marty pattern breaker style system can own this game.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 24, 04:15 PM 2018
Im going to vegas in 2020. By then you will be a multi millionaire. So you can pay for us all to stay in the best hotel in town lol. Lets see Andre. Youve always been one to be talking it large for a few weeks. Then go off the boil. If you have the system now. You will be a millionaire by July 2020.
Then you are ready to make a serious noise in vegas. And one and for all prove the owner of this forum wrong.
Who believes no mechanical system. Least of all a 3 step marty pattern breaker style system can own this game.
Gimme five!
I'm really excited about it. It's been a fantastic weekend!
Haha... Be a millionaire?... Who knows?
2020 I'll be 49
Let's rock Vegas!
I wish all a great weekend!
Now I will have some beers and girls!
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 24, 04:51 PM 2018
Gimme five!
I'm really excited about it. It's been a fantastic weekend!
Haha... Be a millionaire?... Who knows?
2020 I'll be 49
Let's rock Vegas!
I wish all a great weekend!
Now I will have some beers and girls!
Cheers
Then Put the.middle of july in your diary. Between the two of us. History will be made. You will take the baccarat table apart and me the wheel. I have to create a legend over the next 5 years for the book im writing. And you will be in the story Andre. July 2020 will be a time that will go down in casino history with what I plan to do.
Nobody will ever think roulette is unbeatable after July 2020.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 24, 04:51 PM 2018
Gimme five!
I'm really excited about it. It's been a fantastic weekend!
Haha... Be a millionaire?... Who knows?
2020 I'll be 49
Let's rock Vegas!
I wish all a great weekend!
Now I will have some beers and girls!
Cheers
Lol..
Who's this girl, isn't she the dealer for that roulette table where we frequently got sucked dry?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 05:34 AM 2018
How to play craps ?
What casino do offer this game ?
I didn't find it !
Craps is very difficult (maybe impossible) to find in continental (mainland) European casinos.
From what I have heard / read, only a few casinos in France and the UK offer the game.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 03:26 PM 2018
I personally think if you want to test the efficiency of a system you should do a stress test, try to put the system in action in a large number of games's rounds without stop.
If it fails then the system is loser, if it resists the stress test then is winner.
With the above mindset, I think you should just stick to your data analyst job.
Real life gambling (the type that you do in either a B&M or a legitimate online casino) may NOT be a suitable activity for you.
It depends!
Some people try to hunt opportunities and they succeed.
others believe in mechanical systems that work ALWAYS, UNDER ANY CONDITION and FOR EVER!
IT's up to you to choose where you belong.
Aim for bet size at max table limit.
2020 is too far off, get there by this Christmas. :smile:
Btw there're plenty other places to play that's a lot better to us bettors at their high roller room than Vegas/AC.
If you are a serious hobbyist or full-time gambler, here's the top 15 locations on the world list.
link:s://list25.com/25-largest-casinos-in-the-world/3/
Curious question - who has played at these locations ? :question:
Macau and Singapore, and few smaller properties in the region is gambling at it's finest. :thumbsup:
I played in Macau and this is the best in the world for baccarat players.
Baccarat tables are 80% of gambling offer. min from 300 hkd
I will go to Singapore the next month but IMO macau for bac players, is on top.
A
To andre c.
you told that your triggers are PBB or BPP and that you bet them when they appear twice.
IE: PBB PBB here you bet BPP
BPP.BPP here you bet PBB
but PBB could be played IE like that or not?
PBB bpb bbb PBB : here you bet for BPP
same for the opposite trigger
...and why not PPB or BBP? is there. a reason?
thanks
Quote from: mikeyespo on Feb 22, 05:07 PM 2018
most importantly to me ,,,, is that I do not want to interfere with this thread...if the general census it to start a new thread. Then I will do so. Its just when I see what all are doing with pattern breaker with negative progression, and playing it once a day or so. Holding ones breath while doing so with larger amounts of money, so that there time waiting is worth while..honestly does not make a lot of sense to me ,because as we all know you are not changing the odds, it does not matter when you play the pattern,,... patterns come and go... no rocket science,,, how long a pattern will show and not show,, I surely dont know,... when it will or not show ,,, no system can tell you that . I guess you can believe that it will not show because its the 8th pattern so bet against... that has been around for a long time.... nothing new there. No matter what you decide to play as a system.... it will take patience and knowing you are (gambling). You are always going to need some luck on your side... but with what I will show you is that when luck is on your side you can do very well.. and when its not you will limit your losses...believe me the casino does not want you to limit your losses when luck is not on your side.
Hi
Just a quick comment on why you would play sparingly and not for hours on end
What would you rather be doing with your time living life or gambling all day. If you hav a method that seems to work most of the time why not build up your fighting fund/bankroll and play is for an hour a day for high stakes and use the profit to live you life pay the bills go on those holidays
I think you can certainly play PB all day but that what a BOT is for, programmed with the correct money management rules it can do this
But I certainly have no intention of playing all day once I have made my money
I’m looking to retire and play to support my lifestyle
Cheers
Ricky
To PatternBreakerHunters,
How's it going today?
I found this on a craps forum years ago and still play it now with PATTERN BREAKER for craps.
I use three virtual LLLs before I start to play again it is for Craps if you use it for Roulette and Baccarat you may get wiped out but when I have three PPP or three DDD it works very well.
Again its just to look at and maybe get an idea so Yall have been warned LOL.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN MORE THEN 8 PASS OR DONT PASS IN A ROW WITH ME THROWING THE DICE, COULD IT HAPPEN SURE, BUT ODDS ARE SMALL THAT IT WILL.
THAT INCLUDES COME OUT SEVENS AND ELEVENS ON THE PASSLINE.
PPP
PPP
PPD
DDD
DDD
D
==============================================================================
I win over and over and over playing this way. Please look it over.
I'm looking for your comments good or bad..
Have I developed THE winning system { the one that overcomes the odds and puts the odds in the player's favor } or have I just been getting lucky?
SYSTEM:
STREAKS -
Streaks of P and DP happening in a row, odds for each streak to continue are 50% less than the last streak.
EXAMPLE :
[ all examples will only go to a level of ten - P or DP occurring in a row - the math is the same no matter how far or near I take it - IT cannot change ]
10 in a row - will occur __1 time
09 in a row - will occur __2 times
08 in a row - will occur __4 times
07 in a row - will occur __8 times
06 in a row - will occur _16 times
05 in a row - will occur _32 times
04 in a row - will occur _64 times
03 in a row - will occur 128 times
02 in a row - will occur 256 times
01 in a row - will occur 512 times
Streaks of P and DP - 2036 total decisions
50% will be P and 50% will be DP.
Doubling your bet after a loss.
No matter where you end you're doubling a bet after a loss you will lose.
EXAMPLE :
[ ending the doubling and taking a loss at 5 losing wagers in a row ]
Wagers
01 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -1 unit then wager
02 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -3 units then wager
04 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -7 units then wager
08 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -15 units then wager
16 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -31 units
END
So playing the OPPOSITE of the prior decision, this is what will happen:
All streaks of
01 in a row-plus 1 unit
02 in a row-plus 1 unit
03 in a row-plus 1 unit
04 in a row-plus 1 unit
05 in a row minus 31 units
06 in a row minus 31 units
07 in a row minus 31 units
08 in a row minus 31 units
09 in a row minus 31 units
10 in a row minus 31 units
What happens when we look at the amount of streaks we will get when we play.
__1 streak of 10 in a row = minus _31 units 1x-31
__2 streaks of 9 in a row = minus _62 units 2x-31
__4 streaks of 8 in a row = minus 124 units 4x-
__8 streaks of 7 in a row = minus 248 units 8x-31
_16 streaks of 6 in a row = minus 496 units 16x-31
_32 streaks of 5 in a row = minus 992 units 32x-31
_64 streaks of 4 in a row = plus ___64 units 64x 1
128 streaks of 3 in a row = plus __128 units 128x 1
256 streaks of 2 in a row = plus __256 units 256x 1
512 streaks of 1 in a row = plus __512 units 512x 1
for a total of plus 960 units minus - 1953 units = minus - 993 units
As you can see betting on the opposite decision [ P / DP ] and doubling each losing wager until you win WILL lose you money.
Playing BOTH sides P and DP at the same time.
Play both sides at the same time increasing the wager on the side of P / DP that you have just lost a wager on and using the side that you won a wager on as a BACK UP BET.
HOW:
Start by placing 1 unit on P AND DP [at the same time] then which ever side WINS place a wager of one unit and on the side that LOST place a wager of 2 units.
If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.
If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.
If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.
If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.
If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.
If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side.
If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.
If the side with 9 units loses we STOP HERE AND TAKE OUR LOSS! We are only down 15 units NOT 31 units like we would be after 5 losses in a row if we were only playing ONE SIDE [ P or DP ] and doubling our wager after each loss.
WE ARE DOWN LESS THAN 50% of what we could be, talk about minimizing losses.
EXAMPLE: P wins then DP wins
__P____DP__
__1____1___ wager/ P wins DP loss= even
__1____2___ wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit
EXAMPLE: P wins P wins DP wins
__P____DP__
__1____1___ wager/ P wins DP lost= even
__1____2___ wager/ P wind DP lost= minus 1 unit
__1____3___wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit
EXAMPLE: P wins P wins P wins DP wins
__P____DP__
__1____1___ wager/ P wins DP lost= even
__1____2___ wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit
__1____3___ wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 3 units
__1____5___wager/ P lost DP wins = plus 1 unit
EXAMPLE: P wins P wins P wins P wins DP wins
__P____DP___
__1____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= even
__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit
__1____3____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 3 units
__1____5____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 7 units
__1____9____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit
EXAMPLE: P wins P wins P wins P wins P wins [ followed by a P or DP it will not make a difference -this is where we end our losing streak]
__P____DP___
__1____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= even
__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit
__1____3____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 3 units
__1____5____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 7 units
__1____9____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 15 units
END
EXAMPLE: P wins DP wins DP wins P wins P wins P wins DP wins P wins P wins DP wins.
P-DP-DP-P-P-P-DP-P-P-DP
********************************
__P____DP___
__1____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= even
__1____2____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit
__2____1____wager/ P lost DP wins= even
__3____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 2 units
__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 1 unit
__1____3____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit
__1____5____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 3 units
__2____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 4 units
__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 3 units
__1____3____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 5 units
Playing this way seems to work for every streak of P or DP 1-2-3 or 4 in a row your ahead 1 unit and for every streak of 5 or more you are down 15 units.
Let us look at what will happen in the long term [run] . When we look at the amount of streaks we will get.
Streaks of P and DP :
01 in a row = plus 1 unit
02 in a row = plus 1 unit
03 in a row = plus 1 unit
04 in a row = plus 1 unit
05 in a row = minus 15 units
06 in a row = minus 15 units
07 in a row = minus 15 units
08 in a row = minus 15 units
09 in a row = minus 15 units
10 in a row = minus 15 units
amount of streaks 50% P and 50% DP
Streaks of - in a row
01__512 ----- plus 512
02__256 ----- plus 256
03__128 ----- plus 128
04___64 ----- plus 64
total for streaks 1-4 = plus 960 units
******************************************
05__32 ----- 32 x minus 15 units = minus 480
06__16 ----- 16 x minus 15 units = minus 240
07___8 ----- 8 x minus 15 units = minus 120
08___4 ----- 4 x minus 15 units = minus 60
09___2 ----- 2 x minus 15 units = minus 30
10___1 ----- 1 x minus 15 units = minus 15
total for streaks 5-10 = minus 945 units
*************************************************
Grand total plus 960 units - minus 945 units = plus 15 units
That seems like a lot of work just for 15 units not to talk about the time that would take, but think about this will you really bust at 15 units every time? Will the method of play really go like this win 15 units then lose 15 units lose 15 units win 15 units and break even. NO. When you bust 15 units you have to ADD the amount of units you won to get the TRUE amount of the bust. Say you won 12 units and then bust 15 units your TRUE bust is only 3 units or say you won 22 units and then bust 15 units your TRUE bust is really a win of 7 units.
So in a 50/50 game [ craps ] you have to look at what the average is in the long run and that is your average bust WILL only be 7 1/2 [ 8 ] units playing this way and your average win will be 7 1/2 [ 8 ] units. Now the great part.
Play what is called a 2-1-2-1 bankroll money management strategy along with what I have just shown you and you can not lose
A 2-1-2-1 strategy is easy what you do is break ALL your play into segments and win or lose you leave after a segment and take a break and return later to start another segment.
But here is how you play each segment.
Bankroll required
You need 30 units- each unit MUST be at least the table minimum bet [ example; at a $ 1.00 table you need $ 30.00 at a $ 5.00 table you need $150.00 ] per segment to be played also you NEED to be able to play AT LEAST 3 segments
Start segment one by playing the 1-2-3-5-9-unit progression with DOUBLE the wager progression. Play 2-4-6-10-18 with 2 units on the other side as your back-up wager. Play this way until you win 30 units or bust [ your average bust will be 50 % of segment money- 15 units ] .IF YOU WIN 30 UNITS: walk away and take a break or find another table to play at.
When you return to play this time [ your 2nd segment ] Play 1-2-3-5-9 unit progression with 1 unit as your back-up wager. IF YOU BUST : start over playing 2-4-6- 10-18 unit progression with a 2 unit back-up wager again.
EVERY TIME YOU BUST START OVER WITH THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH THE 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
EVERY TIME YOU WIN 15 UNITS ON YOUR 2ND SEGMENT START OVER PLAYING THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH A 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
So when you are playing the 2-4-6-10-18 progression your average bust will be 15 units and when you play the 1-2-3-5-9 progression your average bust will be 8 units.
LETS SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN PLAYING THIS WAY
Over ANY two segments you can either,
win and win
win and lose
lose and win
lose and lose
win and win = plus 45 units [ 30 and 15 ]
win and lose = plus 22 units [ 30 and -8 avg. ]
lose and lose = minus 30 units [ -15 avg. and -15 avg. ]
lose and win = plus 15 units [ -15 avg. and 30 ]
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE LONG TERM [ RUN]
Wins AND losses in a row :
[ a 50/50 game ]
EXPECTED WINS IN A ROW [ sample only to 5 ]
1. 16 W-L [ 30 - 8 avg. = 22 ]
2. 8 W-W-L [ 30/15 - 15 avg. = 30 ]
3. 4 W-W W-L [ 30/15/30 - 8 avg. = 67 ]
4. 2 W-W-W-W-L [ 30/15/30/15 - 15 avg. = 75 ]
5. 1 W-W-W-W-W-L [ 30/15/30/15/30 - 8 avg. = 112 ]
1. 16 x 22 = 352
2. 8 x 30 = 240
3. 4 x 67 = 268
4. 2 x 75 = 150
5. 1 x 112 = 112
total = 1122
EXPECTED LOSS IN A ROW [ sample only to 5 ]
1. 16 L-W [ -15 avg. and plus 30 = 15 ]
2. 8 L-L-W [ -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = 0 ]
3. 4 L-L-L-W [ -15 / -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = - 15 ]
4. 2 L-L-L-L-W [ -15 / -15 / -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = - 30 ]
5. 1 L-L-L-L-L-W [ -15 / -15 / -15 / -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = - 45
1. 16 x 15 = 240
2. 8 x 0 = 0
3. 4 x -15 = -60
4. 2 x -30 = -60
5. 1 x -45 = -45
total = 75 [ plus 240 - 0 - 60 - 60 - 45 = plus 75
So if what is expected to happen happens and it will [ over the long run with little variation swings in the short run ] YOU CAN NOT LOSE
P.S. about the bar
When playing this way the bar will have just a slight influence on your play. When the pass line has a higher wager on it when the bar is rolled on the come out treat it as a lose and increase your wager following the rules and when you win on the pass line you will BREAK EVEN not win 1 unit.
BUT if when the bar was rolled on the come out roll and you had a higher wager on it and did not get paid for the don't pass win just REPEAT the wagers on the pass and don't pass line and when you win on the don't pass line you will also break even
George Herrlinger
Stuart,
Thanks for posting it. Looks interesting.
I will have to digest it first. I might come back and ask you some questions later on today or tomorrow.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 25, 06:56 AM 2018
To PatternBreakerHunters,
How's it going today?
I lost more times with Pattern Breaker on Baccarat live real dealer,,,,,,, I am done with PB on Baccarat until I figure out what I am doing wrong............ but its stunning on CRAPS and works GREAAAAAT.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 25, 11:06 AM 2018
I lost more times with Pattern Breaker on Baccarat live real dealer,,,,,,, I am done with PB on Baccarat until I figure out what I am doing wrong............ but its stunning on CRAPS and works GREAAAAAT.
Stuart
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The commission eats up profit
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 25, 09:06 AM 2018
Stuart,
Thanks for posting it. Looks interesting.
I will have to digest it first. I might come back and ask you some questions later on today or tomorrow.
I play it this way when I have PPP or DDD I then put two chips on the side that lost then one chip on the side that won.
The progression is 1 2 3 5 9 with the backup wager on the side the won.............its kind of like differential wagering of sorts but you can get wiped out.
I use 100 dollar chips on it with my craps table lol here at home I am just trying to make five units to play live with this method in BM casino I need to have a 3000 dollar bankroll.
The author of the system says 30 units is what you will need.
Stuart
Did this programme just for mental exercise.
Tested only on BV No-Zero.
Works when betting on HHH,LLL etc.(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/25/temp_454400.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GRxQD)
So good so far!
66--1
10 sessions played 10 sessions won
Progression 1, 1, 3
Profit around $300 with the commissions
PS: Using this progression I break even some sessions.
Game time around 2 hours
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 25, 04:40 PM 2018To andre c.
you told that your triggers are PBB or BPP and that you bet them when they appear twice.
IE: PBB PBB here you bet BPP
BPP.BPP here you bet PBB
but PBB could be played IE like that or not?
PBB bpb bbb PBB : here you bet for BPP
same for the opposite trigger
...and why not PPB or BBP? is there. a reason?
thanks
Quote from: Ross on Feb 25, 03:58 PM 2018
Did this programme just for mental exercise.
Tested only on BV No-Zero.
Works when betting on HHH,LLL etc.(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/25/temp_454400.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GRxQD)
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you Ross for this software. Thank you Atlantis for 9 patterns tracker.
I appreciate if you or Atlantis can make similar for Android also.
Love and Light
SugTips
Quote from: andrebac on Feb 25, 11:55 PM 2018
but PBB could be played IE like that or not?
PBB bpb bbb PBB : here you bet for BPP
same for the opposite trigger
That's exactly how I do it.
Don't take the signal if earlier you see BBB BBB or BBB PPP or PPP PPP or PPP BBB. Don't take the signal after the 6th pattern appear. Don't take the signal if it's the repeat of the 5th pattern.
...and why not PPB or BBP? is there. a reason?
No reason why not as long it's not BBB or PPP.
Andrebac, that's my complete system that worked very well with virtual loss/1/1. Downside - few signals so only suitable for those patient and disciplined, bet with higher bet size. :)
Quote from: andrebac on Feb 25, 12:00 AM 2018
To andre c.
you told that your triggers are PBB or BPP and that you bet them when they appear twice.
IE: PBB PBB here you bet BPP
BPP.BPP here you bet PBB
but PBB could be played IE like that or not?
PBB bpb bbb PBB : here you bet for BPP
same for the opposite trigger
...and why not PPB or BBP? is there. a reason?
thanks
I don't bet against
BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP
Everybody knows the reasons. If you have experience playing roulette you know what I'm talking about.
I wait for BPP or PBB appears twice in a row then I bet against it.
BBP and PPB are the same thing.
I use 1, 1, 3 progression. So if I have a loss I need only five wins for recovery.
I only play my version of pattern breaker playing baccarat. No zero, no dealer cheats, less variance.
I don't play hit and run. I stop playing only when I'm tired (about two hours playing). The game is stressful and requires a lot of concentration, discipline and patience.
I track 6 tables at the same time.
That's the way I play that's the way I like it.
Cheers
thank you.
for your prompt and exhaustive reply
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 26, 01:36 AM 2018
I don't bet against
BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP
Everybody knows the reasons. If you have experience playing roulette you know what I'm talking about.
I wait for BPP or PBB appears twice in a row then I bet against it.
BBP and PPB are the same thing.
I use 1, 1, 3 progression. So if I have a loss I need only five wins for recovery.
I only play my version of pattern breaker playing baccarat. No zero, no dealer cheats, less variance.
I don't play hit and run. I stop playing only when I'm tired (about two hours playing). The game is stressful and requires a lot of concentration, discipline and patience.
I track 6 tables at the same time.
That's the way I play that's the way I like it.
Cheers
So you are betting "À-la- CHARLEY BARLEY"
Look in my thread, he is back
:twisted:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 26, 09:27 AM 2018
So you are betting "À-la- CHARLEY BARLEY"
Look in my thread, he is back
:twisted:
I watched the video. He plays RNG... lol
I dont believe in anyone selling systems. If the system is invincible, just get rich with it.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 26, 12:07 PM 2018
I watched the video. He plays RNG... lol
I dont believe in anyone selling systems. If the system is invincible, just get rich with it.
He doesn't play RNG, it was just a simulation.
Btw, did you divorce roulette and play only baccarat ?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 26, 01:36 AM 2018
I don't bet against
BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP
Everybody knows the reasons. If you have experience playing roulette you know what I'm talking about.
I wait for BPP or PBB appears twice in a row then I bet against it.
BBP and PPB are the same thing.
I use 1, 1, 3 progression. So if I have a loss I need only five wins for recovery.
Sentinel3 do you avoid these patterns if they are the last remaining of the 8 patterns in your PBR?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 26, 12:46 PM 2018
He doesn't play RNG, it was just a simulation.
Btw, did you divorce roulette and play only baccarat ?
Nope my friend. I just give it a break for a while.
10 games played, 7 wins, 3 break even
73--1
Do the strategy really work or Am I lucky?
I'm scared...
Well imdoing really well with this I'm at 100/0 and I'm playing every spin.hmm don't know what to think of this.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 26, 01:36 AM 2018
I don't bet against
BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP
Everybody knows the reasons. If you have experience playing roulette you know what I'm talking about.
I wait for BPP or PBB appears twice in a row then I bet against it.
BBP and PPB are the same thing.
I use 1, 1, 3 progression. So if I have a loss I need only five wins for recovery.
I only play my version of pattern breaker playing baccarat. No zero, no dealer cheats, less variance.
I don't play hit and run. I stop playing only when I'm tired (about two hours playing). The game is stressful and requires a lot of concentration, discipline and patience.
I track 6 tables at the same time.
That's the way I play that's the way I like it.
Cheers
Andre I played over an hour this morning waiting for BPP to show twice and it did not lol.
I also waited for PBB to show twice and it did not show LOL so your method does require much patience to win lol.
Just like I was playing some craps and needed DDD and it still has not shown on my home craps table in four hours of play yep I am tired lol but we need Patience and Discipline.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 26, 02:11 PM 2018
Andre I played over an hour this morning waiting for BPP to show twice and it did not lol.
I also waited for PBB to show twice and it did not show LOL so your method does require much patience to win lol.
Just like I was playing some craps and needed DDD and it still has not shown on my home craps table in four hours of play yep I am tired lol but we need Patience and Discipline.
Stuart
I track 6 table simultaneously.
No trigger no bet. The key is patience and discipline.
Today time game about 1 hour playing 10 sessions.
I'm scared to be banned...
Oh, I see I was only watching one table lol.
Stuart
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 26, 02:21 PM 2018
I track 6 table simultaneously.
No trigger no bet. The key is patience and discipline.
Today time game about 1 hour playing 10 sessions.
I'm scared to be banned...
I wouldn't worry about that lol
Sentinel3 is this normal 366/0
Ok, Andre, I played this today is it ok I play from left to right across the four columns, the results in my case are three to each column.
Is it correct???
Take a look, guys.
Stuart
Play it rolling basis for 3 separate sequence per shoe - games come quicker. Don't play too deep into the shoe.
Quote from: cht on Feb 26, 08:29 PM 2018
Play it rolling basis for 3 separate sequence per shoe - games come quicker. Don't play too deep into the shoe.
Cht or Andre
You look very experienced in pattern analysis on baccarat .
I would like to learn it from you, can you please write me the guidelines how to play ?
Thx
I completed my 100 games yesterday and following is the statistics so far.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/27/temp_375577.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GVO27)
Anyone interested in details, following is the detail. I have changed from bet365 to betway based on the advice provided here.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/27/temp_900021.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GVU1Q)
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 27, 08:06 AM 2018
I completed my 100 games yesterday and following is the statistics so far.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/27/temp_375577.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GVO27)
Anyone interested in details, following is the detail. I have changed from bet365 to betway based on the advice provided here.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/27/temp_900021.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GVU1Q)
Total profit -105 !
Shame on that, and you showing off here with ur results !?
:)
Cheers
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 27, 08:37 AM 2018Shame on that, and you showing off here with ur results !?
What is to be ashamed about. At least better than some one who loses in reality and reports gains. Sentinel said keep the faith and am keeping the faith. Will get to 200 spins and see what to be done
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 27, 08:54 AM 2018
What is to be ashamed about. At least better than some one who loses in reality and reports gains. Sentinel said keep the faith and am keeping the faith. Will get to 200 spins and see what to be done
Mate don't be pissed off I was joking
You are strong enough to make it Happen.
But when the return goes negative then something is wrong or ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 27, 09:06 AM 2018
But when the return goes negative then something is wrong or ?
Sentinel says don’t worry about a few losses as it will eventually win. He has a fantastic win record as well. Sure that’s not luck. Hopefully it will get into 94-6 or better in the next 100 games.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 27, 09:09 AM 2018
Sentinel says don’t worry about a few losses as it will eventually win. He has a fantastic win record as well. Sure that’s not luck. Hopefully it will get into 94-6 or better in the next 100 games.
Tinsoldiers, everytime I play JL PB whether with roulette or baccarat I lose money not once I won. Even with the latest tweak of signals between 21-30spins I lose doubly fast. :(
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 27, 06:18 AM 2018
Cht or Andre
You look very experienced in pattern analysis on baccarat .
I would like to learn it from you, can you please write me the guidelines how to play ?
Thx
My response to andrebac gives the complete system.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg192283#msg192283
The pic is example how I play my system.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg192341#msg192341
Quote from: cht on Feb 27, 09:50 AM 2018
My response to andrebac gives the complete system.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg192283#msg192283
The pic is example how I play my system.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg192341#msg192341
Thx
Is your Method winner ?
In what differs yours then Andre's one ?
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 26, 04:43 PM 2018
Ok, Andre, I played this today is it ok I play from left to right across the four columns, the results in my case are three to each column.
Is it correct???
Take a look, guys.
Stuart
Sorry but I didn't understand the sheet.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 27, 08:54 AM 2018
What is to be ashamed about. At least better than some one who loses in reality and reports gains. Sentinel said keep the faith and am keeping the faith. Will get to 200 spins and see what to be done
That's really bad!
I think 100 spins is enough
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 27, 06:18 AM 2018
Cht or Andre
You look very experienced in pattern analysis on baccarat .
I would like to learn it from you, can you please write me the guidelines how to play ?
Thx
I don't bet against
BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP
Everybody knows the reasons. If you have experience playing roulette you know what I'm talking about.
I wait for BPP or PBB appears twice in a row then I bet against it.
BBP and PPB I play the same way above.
I use 1, 1, 3 progression. So if I have a loss I need only five wins for recovery.
I only play my version of pattern breaker playing baccarat. No zero, no dealer cheats, less variance.
I don't play hit and run. I stop playing only when I'm tired (about two hours playing). The game is stressful and requires a lot of concentration, discipline and patience.
If you have a loss accept it and don't try to recover at once
I track 6 tables at the same time.
It's important to watch the previous games.
That's the way I play that's the way I like it.
Cheers
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 27, 11:02 AM 2018
Thx
Is your Method winner ?
I have played my method for a month, slow tiring grind but I do not have a losing day.
In what differs yours then Andre's one ?
You have to ask Andre about his method.
Triggers are good when you know that something never happens like 38 numbers in 38 spins just won't happen .patterens not like that .my 360/0 results never broke a 10 step progression and was tested by lucky strike In old vls I think the title was called just for fun .He tested it for 400.000 spin and never broke the prgression check it out it's better then PB but it plays with the same concept.
roulette has 2 chance on the even money a run or a chop that's it ,putting patterns of 3 4 5 on and on and on will not make you win more money. Sorry to be a downer but that's a fact . I did all this years ago and none of it works.
Quote from: Winner on Feb 27, 12:17 PM 2018
my 360/0 results never broke a 10 step progression
10 step progression? Lol
That's crazy... Sorry to say but be prepared to bust soon
Quote from: Winner on Feb 27, 12:17 PM 2018
Triggers are good when you know that something never happens like 38 numbers in 38 spins just won't happen .patterens not like that
Well, it's working for me!
85--1
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 27, 01:53 PM 2018
10 step progression? Lol
That's crazy... Sorry to say but be prepared to bust soon
o
It hasn't in 400000 spins but it will just like everything else.
I don't play this way I'm much wiser then that but it hasn't busted .
I do well with my current play I make around $80 an hour I'm happy with that .and risk is minimal.
Quote from: Winner on Feb 27, 03:39 PM 2018
I don't play this way I'm much wiser then that but it hasn't busted .
I do well with my current play I make around $80 an hour I'm happy with that .and risk is minimal.
May I ask you how do you play?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 27, 05:09 PM 2018
May I ask you how do you play?
I play on repeats.
Well your not going to believe it but I did play on bet phoenix live dealer Baccarat and within twenty minutes I got trying out Andre version of PATTERN BREAKER.
Here it is within 20 minutes LOL.......PBB PBB PBB yep I lost oh well but held on and still won by playing second to last play opposite like so................PBPBBPPPBBPB....now play Banker.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 27, 08:12 PM 2018
Well your not going to believe it but I did play on bet phoenix live dealer Baccarat
Stuart
I am glad that you gave bet phoenix a try.
It seemingly is one of the better online joints (very few to begin with !) that accepts US players.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 27, 11:24 AM 2018
I don't bet against
BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP
Everybody knows the reasons. If you have experience playing roulette you know what I'm talking about.
I wait for BPP or PBB appears twice in a row then I bet against it.
BBP and PPB I play the same way above.
I use 1, 1, 3 progression. So if I have a loss I need only five wins for recovery.
I only play my version of pattern breaker playing baccarat. No zero, no dealer cheats, less variance.
I don't play hit and run. I stop playing only when I'm tired (about two hours playing). The game is stressful and requires a lot of concentration, discipline and patience.
If you have a loss accept it and don't try to recover at once
I track 6 tables at the same time.
It's important to watch the previous games.
That's the way I play that's the way I like it.
Cheers
Nice clear directions on how you are currently playing (wish other people would take cues from you and write in a similar manner).
I have given your above post a plus rating for that. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Feb 26, 08:29 PM 2018
Play it rolling basis for 3 separate sequence per shoe - games come quicker. Don't play too deep into the shoe.
CHT, thanks again for sharing. I understand perfectly your post... but devil is in details.
Just a couple of more questions:
in your sample, I understand you aborted the signal in the first col as BBB,PPPP appeared.
but in the second row, why you didn't bet against PPB appering twice? you only circled the winning B. I guess you look for a playable pattern one starting with P and one starting with B, am I right?
and in the third row, I understand your first attack to BPP but don't understand what you tracked after that.
One more on MM: you play this method with the prog 0-1-1. I guess this was based on your stats with a not so solid winnings at 1st attempt... ore there are any other reasons? I ask you this to check if is possible optimizing this prog, btw, very safe.
a big thanks and really appreciate your qualified answers.
A
Quote from: andrebac on Feb 27, 11:53 PM 2018
CHT, thanks again for sharing. I understand perfectly your post... but devil is in details.
Just a couple of more questions:
in your sample, I understand you aborted the signal in the first col as BBB,PPPP appeared.
but in the second row, why you didn't bet against PPB appering twice?
According to my test, this bet is breakeven at best. So I don't risk this type of bet.
you only circled the winning B.
The circled B marks the start of my pattern count - I don't start at the beginning of the shoe. Read my earlier post how I run a process to determine when I start my pattern count.
I guess you look for a playable pattern one starting with P and one starting with B, am I right?
In the 2nd column, row 10 BBP repeats - row4 BBP followed by P(opposite of B) in row 5 col 1 marks the perfect signal for betting. Virtual loss/win.
In the 3rd column, row 4 BPP repeats - row1 BPP followed by P(opposite of B) in row 2 col 1 marks the perfect signal for betting. Virtual win.
and in the third row, I understand your first attack to BPP but don't understand what you tracked after that.
Tracking BPP, PBB, PBP which may repeat.
One more on MM: you play this method with the prog 0-1-1. I guess this was based on your stats with a not so solid winnings at 1st attempt... ore there are any other reasons?
That's the reason. No point winning to give them back later. Play with 6-8 units br.
I ask you this to check if is possible optimizing this prog, btw, very safe.
a big thanks and really appreciate your qualified answers.
A
How I start the game.
Quote from: cht on Jan 27, 10:36 AM 2018
The 1st change is when do I start the game. I record the 1st 9 results to find out which holds the majority - Player or Banker. Eg. Player holds the majority I start the game when the 1st column of the 3 series starts with Player. Early Banker series is ignored. If the count is a tie, extend another series.
P B P
B T P
P B P Total 5Player 3Banker, Player majority.
B B P
B P B
P B P Start game.
many thanks
enlightening
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 27, 01:53 PM 2018
10 step progression? Lol
That's crazy... Sorry to say but be prepared to bust soon
Have to agree. Random will find any pattern at some point. Ive seen broken men who thought their 10 to 15 step prog was invincible.
You have to grind out a profit. And raise the VALUE of your units over time. Not risk your house on one run you think is invincible...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 27, 11:24 AM 2018
I don't bet against
BBB or PPP or BPB or PBP
Everybody knows the reasons. If you have experience playing roulette you know what I'm talking about.
I wait for BPP or PBB appears twice in a row then I bet against it.
BBP and PPB I play the same way above.
I use 1, 1, 3 progression. So if I have a loss I need only five wins for recovery.
Hey Andre, thanks for this! I am not familiar with baccarat at all but tried this with good results.
I just want to clarify that when there`s a tie if you disregard it or record it as such?
e.g. PBB and then PBT so even if next hand is B you do not play but wait for another genuine repeat?
Quote from: ZERO on Feb 28, 06:19 AM 2018
I just want to clarify that when there`s a tie if you disregard it or record it as such?
e.g. PBB and then PBT so even if next hand is B you do not play but wait for another genuine repeat?
The Tie in baccarat has NO effect on your Banker or Player bet.
So when you are tracking hands and the last 4 hands are:
B P T B,
you can record it as B P B (you can just ignore the T as if it did NOT really happen).
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 28, 04:58 AM 2018
Have to agree. Random will find any pattern at some point. Ive seen broken men who thought their 10 to 15 step prog was invincible.
You have to grind out a profit. And raise the VALUE of your units over time. Not risk your house on one run you think is invincible...
JL,
I nowadays regard any negative progression LONGER than 3 steps to be too long.
To tell you the truth, even the third step is bothersome for me.
That is why, on those infrequent occasions that I do go for it, I use either the 1 2 2 or the 1 1 3 progression --
in lieu of the standard 1 2 4 progression.
And, in regards to PB, I nowadays just play the 1 2 (as you very well know).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 28, 07:41 AM 2018
The Tie in baccarat has NO effect on your Banker or Player bet.
So when you are tracking hands and the last 4 hands are:
B P T B,
you can record it as B P B (you can just ignore the T as if it did NOT really happen).
Thanks Doc, appreciate your reply!
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 28, 07:48 AM 2018
JL,
I nowadays regard any negative progression LONGER than 3 steps to be too long.
To tell you the truth, even the third step is bothersome for me.
That is why, on those infrequent occasions that I do go for it, I use either the 1 2 2 or the 1 1 3 progression --
in lieu of the standard 1 2 4 progression.
And, in regards to PB, I nowadays just play the 1 2 (as you very well know).
Yes Dr. I did a breakdown of 500 of my games played with and without the 3rd step. Overall the profit margin was still better with the three step.
But I fully understand you. And a newbie starting out with tight funds. Could benefit from the less risky 2 step. That 3rd step is expensive.
Some years ago i was considering either starting after 1 virtual loss. Or doing as you do. But then I had a winning streak of 46 games. And thought lets let this thing ride as is.
You could using common sense switch between the two. Obviously when youve won 15 or so games in a row. A loss isnt usually far away. That would be a time to drop a step.
On the other hand. Ive had times where ive won on the third step 4 times in 10 games. Its a choice only the player can make.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 28, 04:58 AM 2018
Have to agree. Random will find any pattern at some point. Ive seen broken men who thought their 10 to 15 step prog was invincible.
You have to grind out a profit. And raise the VALUE of your units over time. Not risk your house on one run you think is invincible...
f
It's funny how gamblers think long progression short progression it's all the same .your losing money all at once or in time ,same thing for every loss in PB is $35 you have to win 7 times to make up for that one loss . Now how long does it take to win one unit hourly .
My point your making no profit every hour.
I'm not advocating long progression but short won't either. And Random will find you sooner or later.lol
Quote from: ZERO on Feb 28, 06:19 AM 2018
Hey Andre, thanks for this! I am not familiar with baccarat at all but tried this with good results.
I just want to clarify that when there`s a tie if you disregard it or record it as such?
e.g. PBB and then PBT so even if next hand is B you do not play but wait for another genuine repeat?
Hi Zero,
I play in a different way. I don't ignore the Tie.
For example, I'm waiting for BPP BPP but appears BPP BPT. When it occurs I reset the game and start over.
I've been watching the game for a while and I realized that the tie breaks the trigger.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 27, 08:32 PM 2018
Nice clear directions on how you are currently playing (wish other people would take cues from you and write in a similar manner).
I have given your above post a plus rating for that. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thank you Doctor!
I think the same...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 28, 02:02 PM 2018
Thank you Doctor!
I think the same...
Andre,
I always knew you as a smart guy, don't be fool and fail afterwards.
Can you tell me what are the logical reasons why your pattern betting won't fail?
Everybody knows that every successful move/system in the world is backed by a logical concept.
what does make betting against PB more favorable than betting for it?
You can be fooled no matter how smart you think you are.
Betting against Permutations is a loser bet.
Btw, you are winning because you playing a' la "waiting game"! ...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 28, 05:00 PM 2018
Andre,
I always knew you as a smart guy, don't be fool and fail afterwards.
Can you tell me what are the logical reasons why your pattern betting won't fail?
Everybody knows that every successful move/system in the world is backed by a logical concept.
what does make betting against PB more favorable than betting for it?
You can be fooled no matter how smart you think you are.
Betting against Permutations is a loser bet.
Btw, you are winning because you playing a' la "waiting game"! ...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 28, 05:00 PM 2018
Andre,
I always knew you as a smart guy, don't be fool and fail afterwards.
Can you tell me what are the logical reasons why your pattern betting won't fail?
Everybody knows that every successful move/system in the world is backed by a logical concept.
what does make betting against PB more favorable than betting for it?
You can be fooled no matter how smart you think you are.
Betting against Permutations is a loser bet.
Btw, you are winning because you playing a' la "waiting game"! ...
Well, my friend RB,
Whatever you do in life you have to wait.
When you send a letter you have to wait for the answer.
When it's night you have to wait for the day.
When you study you have to wait for the diploma.
When it's snowing you wait for the sun.
Everything in life you have to wait for the right moment and the game is no different.
At roulette you have to wait for numbers and bet they repeat.
The original pattern breaker you have to wait too.
I know some players will say my trigger is a fallacy but If you play against a pattern, would you start for example betting after only one red hit or would you start betting after 15 reds hit? This is my thinking.
R start betting B for 4 times.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR start betting B for 4 times.
Which one will you choose?
A boxer waits for the right moment to attack his opponent.
Haste makes waste!
Cheers
Waiting may give you some profit in the short term whatever system you using.
playing your pattern system, you are hoping that the reverse of the pattern will win.
Neither Probabilities nor stats confirm that the reverse of your pattern is favourable, it's still 50/50 chance.
Still the only advantage you doing is the WAITING by placing bets over a large window of time.
Hey, guys had a short session tonight for Pattern Breaker on Bet Phoenix Baccarat I had 2 real opportunities to play take a look, guys.
Stuart
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 28, 07:31 PM 2018
Waiting may give you some profit in the short term whatever system you using.
playing your pattern system, you are hoping that the reverse of the pattern will win.
Neither Probabilities nor stats confirm that the reverse of your pattern is favourable, it's still 50/50 chance.
Still the only advantage you doing is the WAITING by placing bets over a large window of time.
I will not argue with you. I already know everything you're talking about. The beauty in this strategy is that you use only a 3 step progression and you win a lot more than you lose.
Ask Mr. Sentinel3. He's been playing the Pattern Breaker strategy for about 11 years. Was he lucky for 11 years? I do not think so.
As I said before the key is discipline and patience.
If I have to wait for 2 hours to place a bet and win $50 I'll do it.
I'm not in hurry.
My goal is to make 100k by the end of the year.
I'm 115--3
Is it luck?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 28, 10:22 PM 2018I'm 115--3
I'm late to the party here, but does this mean you have won 115 units and lost 3 * 7 = 21?
Quote from: Winner on Feb 28, 09:04 AM 2018
f
It's funny how gamblers think long progression short progression it's all the same .your losing money all at once or in time ,same thing for every loss in PB is $35 you have to win 7 times to make up for that one loss . Now how long does it take to win one unit hourly .
My point your making no profit every hour.
I'm not advocating long progression but short won't either. And Random will find you sooner or later.lol
Very true random will find you but I play random vs random and a very short progression leaving off the last step so my progression 1-3 a loss is 4 units and a recovery progression of 2-4 if I get a back to back loss which happens maybe 5x in 100 sets of 3 my last run was 30 anyway what I'm saying is it takes 2 sets to cover the first progression to break even so thats 3-1 the math is 7-1 the only thing i see is winnning,back to back losses takes 5 sets to win still beating the math of 7-1 .......Im enjoying the benifts of my version of PB
J
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 28, 05:00 PM 2018
Andre,
I always knew you as a smart guy, don't be fool and fail afterwards.
Can you tell me what are the logical reasons why your pattern betting won't fail?
Everybody knows that every successful move/system in the world is backed by a logical concept.
what does make betting against PB more favorable than betting for it?
You can be fooled no matter how smart you think you are.
Betting against Permutations is a loser bet.
Btw, you are winning because you playing a' la "waiting game"! ...
My version I'm not Wait i g for anything I jump into the shoe no matter when as long as it's not over 1/2 way thru the shoe also the start of the shoe I wait 1 hand just to toss more random vs randominto the mix
J
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 28, 01:50 PM 2018
Hi Zero,
I play in a different way. I don't ignore the Tie.
For example, I'm waiting for BPP BPP but appears BPP BPT. When it occurs I reset the game and start over.
I've been watching the game for a while and I realized that the tie breaks the trigger.
Thanks Andre, I also thought that is how it should be done. To me the tie in baccarat is like the zero in roulette... ruins your pattern and you need to reset :sad2:
Quote from: ZERO on Mar 01, 07:46 AM 2018
Thanks Andre, I also thought that is how it should be done. To me the tie in baccarat is like the zero in roulette... ruins your pattern and you need to reset :sad2:
Zero,
Please make up your mind on this issue after doing some paper testing using data from real baccarat shoes (NOT RNG).
In my testing, ignoring the Tie has NOT had any detrimental effect on my results (ruining the pattern or otherwise).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 01, 08:06 AM 2018
Zero,
Please make up your mind on this issue after doing some paper testing using data from real baccarat shoes (NOT RNG).
In my testing, ignoring the Tie has NOT had any detrimental effect on my results (ruining the pattern or otherwise).
Will do, I always listen to the doctors orders :thumbsup:
I am new to the whole baccarat thing but really enjoy this method you guys are playing. I have also been playing around with the progressions like maybe a 1,2 only or a 1,2,1 or the 1,1,3 like Andre plays. Guess I need to do a lot of testing first... but thanks again for all the help! :thumbsup:
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 28, 10:13 PM 2018
Hey, guys had a short session tonight for Pattern Breaker on Bet Phoenix Baccarat I had 2 real opportunities to play take a look, guys.
Stuart
Stuart,
I took a look at the pdf file that you uploaded.
For both the LWW and the WLL, you would win 1 unit each (for a total of 2 units).
1. For the
LWW, you can stop betting at the LW step. If you are using the standard 1 2 4 progression, you will bet 2 units for the second step and you would win 1 unit for that game.
Please note that as soon as the first W happens in the above case, the second W becomes redundant for betting purposes.2. For the
WLL, you can stop betting at the W step. You would bet 1 unit and you would, of course, win 1 unit for this game.
Again, please note that the 2 Ls (LL) that follow the W are redundant for betting purposes. In other words, as soon as your
FIRST W appears (assuming it does), it
instantly ENDS your betting for that game.
You then restart tracking for the next trigger (game).
Quote from: CoderJoe on Mar 01, 02:14 AM 2018
I'm late to the party here, but does this mean you have won 115 units and lost 3 * 7 = 21?
Yes, that's it
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 28, 10:13 PM 2018
Hey, guys had a short session tonight for Pattern Breaker on Bet Phoenix Baccarat I had 2 real opportunities to play take a look, guys.
Stuart
Man, what are you doing? Lol
You have to stop n the first win
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 01, 10:15 AM 2018
Yes, that's it
? How many games a day do you play.
[to andre chass
I realized the less you stay in the game the most the chances to get out in profit
this is true. :)
Baccarat
advantage casino Player : 1.25%
Banker: 0,63%
Tie: 14,40%
In my opinion it's better play alwas Banker in the game
:)
ludo8400
Hi Andre
Thanks for being so clear with your method of play (but there's always someone like me with questions!)
progression is 1,1,3 so if we win on the second 1, do we stop, and break even, or continue to 3?
& it's 2x BPP or PBB or BBP or PPB we are looking for?
Cheers...
Dave
Quote from: daveylibra on Mar 01, 02:07 PM 2018
Hi Andre
Thanks for being so clear with your method of play (but there's always someone like me with questions!)
progression is 1,1,3 so if we win on the second 1, do we stop, and break even, or continue to 3?
& it's 2x BPP or PBB or BBP or PPB we are looking for?
Cheers...
Dave
Hi Dave
Stop and break even
You wait for one of these pattern twice in a row and bet against it
BPP BPP bet PBB
PBB PBB bet BPP
BBP BBP bet PPB
PPB PPB bet BBP
@ andré
We have BPP, BPP
now start the betting
[i]first:[/i] tie
second B
We win with the second mise?
:D
ludo8400
Andre, if you go on like that, you will end one day in guinness book on Longest time spinning and waiting to place bets..
Are the winners really geniuses? ... You have to be a genius to win in gambling
O0
Well Andre, thank you so much for being so specific.
I shall test it!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 01, 10:16 AM 2018
Man, what are you doing? Lol
You have to stop n the first win
Yes ok, I got it stop at the first win lol I just kept going.
Stuart
Hi fellas,
I will not post here anymore. I want to apologize to Mr. Sentinel3
That's the Pattern Breaker thread.
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 01, 08:39 PM 2018
Hi fellas,
I will not post here anymore. I want to apologize to Mr. Sentinel3
That's the Pattern Breaker thread.
Cheers
Andre,
Stop being so sentimental.
There are good-for-nothing posters, like Roulettebeater (formerly called "kingmaq"), that just pollute these forums with their good-for-nothing garbage.
Just ignore people like him.
Please keep posting your stuff.
André
I saw on two days on Evolution gaming live baccarat two losing games on 7 tables.
pattern: PBB PBB PBB
During the same period just two winners. Time for looking one hour. So not significant enough to take conclusions , when I refer to your results 115 versus 3.
I did,'t play, because I will see more results.
Yes, perhaps we must ask administrator to open a baccarat item on his website.
Nice day to all.
It's still cold in Belgium.
ludo 8400 :)
A story about Baccarat told about these three terms to help win some units there here are Baccarat big-time players maybe you can explain.
OPPOSITE SECOND TO THE LAST RESULT.
AFTER OPPOSITE PLAY REPEAT.
AFTER REPEAT PLAY OPPOSITE.
I MENTIONED PATTERN BREAKER TO A FRIEND AND HE SAID WHATTTTTT WAIT AN HOUR TO MAKE 100 TO 200 DOLLARS,,,AND HE SAID NO WAY HE CAN DO THAT LOL.
Stuart
PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE GUYS THAT'S THE TICKET.
You sound to me a freshman in gambling
Total gamblers fallacy!
We all now head to the nearest casino and start betting red after black.
We will of course win but sooner or later we will lose when RBRBR shows up
Baccarat is a totally random, non-dependant, negative expectancy game of chance. Which means the casino knows over the long haul they have the mathematical advantage over the player. Theoretically, if a player gambles continuously for weeks, months, and years, his bankroll is destined to ruin by the casino’s build in win advantage or “vigorish.†However, as an intelligent, knowledgeable, and disciplined player and precision, things are not as forbidding as the mathematicians would lead one to believe. First, the player will not be playing continuously 24 hours per day every day. He will limit his time and capital exposure, then use his methods to maximize his chance to capture a profitable trend in the ebb and flow of Baccarat decisions. Always, the player will employ smart money management to conserve and protect his bankroll against adverse trends in the game. Realistically, the player should experience many trips to the casino with profitable results.
Just a quote about games of chance.
Stuart
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 18, 11:51 AM 2018
With a powerful system like PBR which is basically a license to print money. Its tempting to go off to high.
Let's talk about using Pattern Breaker and it's variant on Baccarat?
We already know the key is Discipline, Patience and MM.
We already know that the more you become exposed to variance the more chance you have to lose.
So if you can make only one big bet a day do it. I'm not playing for fun. I play for money.
If anyone is implementing Pattern Breaker or its variant on baccarat please describe your experience.
Let's help each other.
Together We Are Stronger!
André
The idea of the onlyOneBet is very powerful, it even protects the player to a high extent against variation.
The only issue is that you have to get yourself a very tight betselection that wins almost the time.
Most players fall in the trap, the house uses some tactics that makes the wheel hard as hell to penetrate.
Some guys in the past studied the behavior of the wheel in correspondence with the dealer's mood and found out that most players who won, they were playing at table where there was a lazy Dealer..
So fancy that !
With regards to baccarat; I personally believe that this pattern method is no changing the rule and turning the table upside for the benefit of the Player..
You only delaying the "0-hour"...
RB, please read my post. I said BACCARAT!
And please, don't flood the thread.
Thanks
If you are pessimist and don't believe that pattern breaker works so don't say nothing.
Please go to another trhead.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 18, 11:51 AM 2018
With a powerful system like PBR which is basically a license to print money. Its tempting to go off to high.
I will start it again...Let's talk about using Pattern Breaker and it's variant on Baccarat?
We already know the key is Discipline, Patience and MM.
We already know that the more you become exposed to variance the more chance you have to lose.
So if you can make only one big bet a day do it. I'm not playing for fun. I play for money.
If anyone is implementing Pattern Breaker or its variant on baccarat please describe your experience.
Let's help each other.
Together We Are Stronger!
My dear friend Andre
Last time I sent you the link of Charley barely, I am sure you watched the video.
Actually, this guy got up one day and discovered the patterns which are based on permutations of EC bets.
Basically he was saying if you capture a for example a sequnece of
R
B
--
X
X
X
X
X
--
R
B
You have to bet the reverse of the 5 results in the middle...
Everybody has then thought oh that's the invincible roulette system !
Players started playing it and all have lost
Fact is : you can not defeat the game with that, all what you doing is playing less spins and delaying the "collapse"
RB you're driving me CRAZY!
READ MY POST?
If anyone is implementing Pattern Breaker or its variant on baccarat please describe your experience.
Please go to another trhead
I will start again and please don't interrupt me...
Stay cool,
It's already weekend !
I have described my experience with pattern, read my last comment.
Good luck and happy winning :)
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 18, 11:51 AM 2018
With a powerful system like PBR which is basically a license to print money. Its tempting to go off to high.
Again...
Let's talk about using Pattern Breaker and it's variant on Baccarat?
We already know the key is Discipline, Patience and MM.
We already know that the more you become exposed to variance the more chance you have to lose.
So if you can make only one big bet a day do it.I'm not playing for fun.I play for money.
If anyone is implementing Pattern Breaker or its variant on baccarat please describe your experience.
Let's help each other.
Together We Are Stronger!
I will begin to relate my experience.
It has been amazing to play Baccarat. No zero, no dealer cheating, less variability than Roulette.
I am now playing hit and run style. I stopped playing for hours because I realized that the variance makes me lose.
I play 6 or 7 sessions and turn off the computer.
I'm 127--6
How about you guys?
PS: I'm playing progression 15, 15, 45
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 02, 08:38 AM 2018
A story about Baccarat told about these three terms to help win some units there here are Baccarat big-time players maybe you can explain.
OPPOSITE SECOND TO THE LAST RESULT.
AFTER OPPOSITE PLAY REPEAT.
AFTER REPEAT PLAY OPPOSITE.
I MENTIONED PATTERN BREAKER TO A FRIEND AND HE SAID WHATTTTTT WAIT AN HOUR TO MAKE 100 TO 200 DOLLARS,,,AND HE SAID NO WAY HE CAN DO THAT LOL.
Stuart
PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE GUYS THAT'S THE TICKET.
Those who cant WAIT pay for casinos to be built and staff wages.
PATIENCE is the make or break of roulette. It really is.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 02, 02:01 PM 2018
I will begin to relate my experience.
It has been amazing to play Baccarat. No zero, no dealer cheating, less variability than Roulette.
I am now playing hit and run style. I stopped playing for hours because I realized that the variance makes me lose.
I play 6 or 7 sessions and turn off the computer.
I'm 127--6
How about you guys?
PS: I'm playing progression 15, 15, 45
You are learning with time Andre. You have to play hit and run to be successful with the PB CONCEPT.
I know the feeling you had when you were 66-1. I had that feeling a few times when I won 102 days in a row with the original PB.
But if you stay in the cycle too long variance will show its teeth. And take a chunk out of your profits.
If you wise up and keep to a max of 10 games a day. You will stay on top LONGTERM. And thats what we want LONGTERM success...
Hi Andre
I began to test this method but there is still one small detail that bothers me...
Do you begin tracking at the start of a shoe? And keep strictly in sets of 3 from there?
Reason I ask is, we could have the same run of player/banker, one would show a trigger, the other not.
Look at the runs below...
BBB, PPP, BPP, B and
B, BBP, PPB, PPB
they are the same, but if we started tracking one decision later, we would have a trigger. Or, do we treat it as one continuous line and any repeat will do?
I await your reply eagerly as I want to test this properly!
Regards
Dave
Quote from: daveylibra on Mar 02, 02:49 PM 2018
Hi Andre
I began to test this method but there is still one small detail that bothers me...
Do you begin tracking at the start of a shoe? And keep strictly in sets of 3 from there?
Reason I ask is, we could have the same run of player/banker, one would show a trigger, the other not.
Look at the runs below...
BBB, PPP, BPP, B and
B, BBP, PPB, PPB
they are the same, but if we started tracking one decision later, we would have a trigger. Or, do we treat it as one continuous line and any repeat will do?
I await your reply eagerly as I want to test this properly!
Regards
Dave
Hi
It doesn't matter when or how. As soon as you see them you bet against.
You enter the table:
Oh, I see the pattern twice in a row! I'll bet it. Lol
Hugs
I see no one wants to share their experiences ... :ooh:
ok, so do not bother me too. :thumbsup:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 02, 02:27 PM 2018
Those who cant WAIT pay for casinos to be built and staff wages.
PATIENCE is the make or break of roulette. It really is.
You're right sentinel3
Many players in this forum say that I play a waiting game. I do not care waiting. If I have to wait 2 hours and get 50 bucks profit I'm ok with that.
Casinos enrich through players without discipline and hurried.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 02, 02:01 PM 2018
I will begin to relate my experience.
It has been amazing to play Baccarat. No zero, no dealer cheating, less variability than Roulette.
I am now playing hit and run style. I stopped playing for hours because I realized that the variance makes me lose.
I play 6 or 7 sessions and turn off the computer.
I'm 127--6
How about you guys?
PS: I'm playing progression 15, 15, 45
Andre,
Playing 6-7 games a day EVERY DAY might be too much -- especially, if you are playing at the same table. Your exposure to variance will be too big.
But you had said before that you track 8 tables at once, so I guess you are kind of spreading the "risk" around over that many tables. That might make a difference.
But as you know, the math boys will say that that line of thinking is erroneous (that is, it does not matter whether you are playing 1 table or 8 tables).
From a theoretical perspective, they have a valid point -- no ifs and no buts about it.
However, if your positive empirical results hold up over time, that is the only thing that matters (since your bank roll will keep increasing). :D :D
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 02, 02:32 PM 2018
If you wise up and keep to a max of 10 games a day. You will stay on top LONGTERM. And thats what we want LONGTERM success
JL,
I think even 10 games a day EVERY DAY might be a tad bit too much (in terms of exposure to variance).
Please see my previous post -- it is a response to Andre regarding his baccarat play.
As u guys r patient why dont u do it in dozens. Can get more smaller buy in also better rate . Just 27 combo i guess
I will share my results on PB , I have my way of play .533 / 5 double losses.
This is not a joke :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 02, 07:10 PM 2018
JL,
I think even 10 games a day EVERY DAY might be a tad bit too much (in terms of exposure to variance).
Please see my previous post -- it is a response to Andre regarding his baccarat play.
Yes Doctor could be. I use that as an absolute limit. For those who night think they can play all day long. Its a compromise. I personally play anything from 3 to 10 games a day. But rarely 10. 6 would be the average for me nowadays.
And my 100 game split has NEVER fallen below 89--11 in 11 years. And averages 93--7 now that ive revised the system.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 02, 07:02 PM 2018
Andre,
Playing 6-7 games a day EVERY DAY might be too much -- especially, if you are playing at the same table. Your exposure to variance will be too big.
But you had said before that you track 8 tables at once, so I guess you are kind of spreading the "risk" around over that many tables. That might make a difference.
But as you know, the math boys will say that that line of thinking is erroneous (that is, it does not matter whether you are playing 1 table or 8 tables).
From a theoretical perspective, they have a valid point -- no ifs and no buts about it.
However, if your positive empirical results hold up over time, that is the only thing that matters (since your bank roll will keep increasing). :D :D
Hi Doc
I don't play at the same table. I track 6 tables at once and I think it makes a difference.
I think the game is much more than only math.
There are other factors that make a winning player. And you know what those factors are.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 02, 08:09 PM 2018
I will share my results on PB , I have my way of play .533 / 5 double losses.
This is not a joke :thumbsup:
533--5?
I know you use a crazy 10 step progression.
But can you explain in detail how do you play it?
You always come here with answers that do not explain anything.
I'll appreciate it
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 02, 08:24 PM 2018
And my 100 game split has NEVER fallen below 89--11 in 11 years. And averages 93--7 now that ive revised the system.
Gods job sentinel3
My goal is make 100k by the end of the year. Who knows? I'll try it.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 02, 10:47 PM 2018
Gods job sentinel3
My goal is make 100k by the end of the year. Who knows? I'll try it.
Go for it Andre, you seem to have found the perfect system to achieve it.
Quote from: Gandhi on Feb 24, 01:03 PM 2018Hey Ricky, awesome goals I hope you reach them!
Just interested in your MM turning your 200 to 500 were you playing 5 dollar bets and using 1-2-4 prog from the start?
Hi Gandhi,
apologies for the delayed post. I have been offline for a week and just catching up with the latest posts.
Just to explain how I am growing my bankroll for this challenge, I am taking it slow initially with $5-$10 base bets. My progressions are usually 1-2-4 if I have an easy run without any losses or near losses (getting to the third progression). Like a lot of others I get nervous when I lose two bets in a row and really have to think about putting that third bet on as 4 times my base bet. It becomes a 50/50 chance of winning it. But as I get more confident with PB and I have the bankroll behind me to cope with those losses as a percentage of my bankroll I will not think twice about putting on that bet and accept a loss as just part of the hazards of the occupation. In the meantime I sometimes do 1-1-3 or 1-2-3 for break even or small win.
To summarize how I made most of the first 300 I got a little lucky playing the following staking progression
Goal
Win 10 games at $5 for $50 profit
Win 10 games at $10 for $150 profit
I then stopped but originally was aiming for a $750 win in one visit to the BM casino with the following
Win 10 games at $20 for $200 profit
Win 10 games at $40 from $400 profit
But that would mean I would be playing 40 games in one day and this is too many games to risk playing for one day. As others have indicated they play 2-3 games per session and 10 games max per day. So if those games are for higher stakes then you can get the same result as above for less risk.
Finally, I am reviewing another progression strategy based on D'Alambert using the 1-2-3-4 progression an up if you lose, down if you win rules.
So an example series of games would look like this:
Game 1 LLW 1-2-3
Game 2 LW 2-3
Game 3 W 2
Game 4 W 1
So the profit should be made in multiple games rather than in each game. This is good if most of your wins come in the first 1 or 2 steps and occasionally you get stretched to the 3rd step. But if you are having a bad run and always getting pushed to the 3rd step and even losing then it can be a real grind to get into profit. On these days you should just accept that it was a bad day and resume the next day at the progression you finished at or start over.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 26, 02:21 PM 2018I track 6 table simultaneously.
No trigger no bet. The key is patience and discipline.
Today time game about 1 hour playing 10 sessions.
I'm scared to be banned...
Hi Andre,
I'm glad you are having much success playing your variant. I'm still playing the original PB on Baccarat and had a day last week where I lost 3 games in a row tracking 2 tables. I put it down to extreme bad luck. Also, I gave your method a go on a BM casino and also lost one game BPP BPP, and BPP came for a third time.
But this got me thinking. What I am going to review is to use BOTH your revised method and the original PB method and maybe not bet when BBB or PPP are the final pattern. So during my session waiting for all 7 patterns to close I will also but side bets whenever the same pattern according to your rules come out. I'll see if I can improve my luck and betting opportunities.
But now my record is 40-5. Have stopped playing for a while as I am on business overseas and not getting much opportunity to play. But I have been checking out some of the local casinos where there are different rules especially for Roulette. eg Losing on Zero for E/C bets only loses 50% of your bet.
While at these BM casinos, as well as using the PB on Rapid Roulette electronic tables, I am using the methods deployed by Brett Morton in his book ROULETTE: playing to win. I am table hopping looking for betting opportunities mostly betting against a long streak for max 2 bets. I have not used the Parlay approach he suggests as I have limited funds and the table mins/max for E/C bets are 20/150 and I only have a bankroll of 100 euro. Last night I managed to double my bankroll with 115 euro win. So very happy to play sparingly and get some quick wins.
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: bikemotorman on Feb 27, 08:12 PM 2018
Well your not going to believe it but I did play on bet phoenix live dealer Baccarat and within twenty minutes I got trying out Andre version of PATTERN BREAKER.
Here it is within 20 minutes LOL.......PBB PBB PBB yep I lost oh well but held on and still won by playing second to last play opposite like so................PBPBBPPPBBPB....now play Banker.
Stuart
Hi Stuart, yes I believe it. It does happen and as I posted earlier the exact same thing happened to me on first time using Andre's version in a BM Casino here in Europe. But I was only using a 1-1-2 progression so only lost 4 euros. I was not wiped out. I went on playing other methods to win over 100% of my 100 euro bankroll. It was high risk though playing 20 euro outside bets as this was minuimum allowed to my surprise even though it was a 5 euro minimum. But that ws only on the inside bets.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 02, 10:39 PM 2018
533--5?
I know you use a crazy 10 step progression.
But can you explain in detail how do you play it?
You always come here with answers that do not explain anything.
I'll appreciate it
My crazy progression is not crazy it keeps things in control your flat betting until our -4 then you apply a mini Marty . 1111 2 4 8 but you can only do this if your bets are not to long of waiting time. If the the progression goes to the end I will be 2 units short not hard to recover and my hit rate is really good. And waiting is minimal.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 03, 07:36 AM 2018
My crazy progression is not crazy it keeps things in control your flat betting until our -4 then you apply a mini Marty . 1111 2 4 8 but you can only do this if your bets are not to long of waiting time. If the the progression goes to the end I will be 2 units short not hard to recover and my hit rate is really good. And waiting is minimal.
More details on your system is much appreciated.
Thanks winner.
Quote from: sugtips on Mar 03, 09:05 AM 2018
More details on your system is much appreciated.
Thanks winner.
Educated guessing that's all .wins today and it will definitely lose no HG .
Winner, it may be an educated guessing game but is not all in business to some extent an educated guess??
How about the stock market???
How about livestock or farming????
How about going on a date with a young lady lol???
How about politics??? O0
Baccarat is a totally random, non-dependant, negative expectancy game of chance. Which means the casino knows over the long haul they have the mathematical advantage over the player. Theoretically, if a player gambles continuously for weeks, months, and years, his bankroll is destined to ruin by the casino’s build in win advantage or “vigorish.†However, as an intelligent, knowledgeable, and disciplined player, things are not as forbidding as the mathematicians would lead one to believe. First, the player will not be playing continuously 24 hours per day every day. He will limit his time and capital exposure, then use his methods to maximize his chance to capture a profitable trend in the ebb and flow of Baccarat decisions. Always, the player will employ smart money management to conserve and protect his bankroll against adverse trends in the game. Realistically, the player should experience many trips to the casino with profitable results.
Treat your play as a business and remember the more educated your guesses become the more profit is more likely to come.
Stuart
Quote from: Winner on Mar 03, 07:36 AM 2018
My crazy progression is not crazy it keeps things in control your flat betting until our -4 then you apply a mini Marty . 1111 2 4 8 but you can only do this if your bets are not to long of waiting time. If the the progression goes to the end I will be 2 units short not hard to recover and my hit rate is really good. And waiting is minimal.
I didn't understand nothing you're saying.
How and when do you apply the progression?
1111 2 4 8 using this progression you lose in every step except the first two.
Can you give us more details?
I'm really tired asking you.
We are here to help each other. If you don't want help there's no sense to be here in this forum.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 03, 10:55 AM 2018
I didn't understand nothing you're saying.
How and when do you apply the progression?
1111 2 4 8 using this progression you lose in every step except the first two.
Can you give us more details
I'm really tired asking you.
We are here to help each other. If you don't want help there's no sense to be here in this forum.
I m really tired asking you: ps patients my friend
I'm playing pattern breaker Like you.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 03, 01:24 PM 2018
I m really tired asking you: ps patients my friend
I'm playing pattern breaker Like you.
I'm done with you. You're just baiting and misleading.
If you can't explain your way of play and progression that's because you don't have it .
I'm tired of guys like you in this forum
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 03, 01:49 PM 2018
I'm done with you. You're just baiting and misleading.
If you can't explain your way of play and progression that's because you don't have it .
I'm tired of guys like you in this forum
[/quote I wait for two patterns then I bet against it .sorry if you feel this .i will move on to something else this is a losing way to bet anyways have a good day.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 03, 04:27 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
I'm glad you are having much success playing your variant. I'm still playing the original PB on Baccarat and had a day last week where I lost 3 games in a row tracking 2 tables. I put it down to extreme bad luck. Also, I gave your method a go on a BM casino and also lost one game BPP BPP, and BPP came for a third time.
But this got me thinking. What I am going to review is to use BOTH your revised method and the original PB method and maybe not bet when BBB or PPP are the final pattern. So during my session waiting for all 7 patterns to close I will also but side bets whenever the same pattern according to your rules come out. I'll see if I can improve my luck and betting opportunities.
But now my record is 40-5. Have stopped playing for a while as I am on business overseas and not getting much opportunity to play. But I have been checking out some of the local casinos where there are different rules especially for Roulette. eg Losing on Zero for E/C bets only loses 50% of your bet.
While at these BM casinos, as well as using the PB on Rapid Roulette electronic tables, I am using the methods deployed by Brett Morton in his book ROULETTE: playing to win. I am table hopping looking for betting opportunities mostly betting against a long streak for max 2 bets. I have not used the Parlay approach he suggests as I have limited funds and the table mins/max for E/C bets are 20/150 and I only have a bankroll of 100 euro. Last night I managed to double my bankroll with 115 euro win.
So very happy to play sparingly and get some quick wins.
cheers,
Ricky
I have said this before multiple times in this thread (including in a couple of posts yesterday) ......
playing this method hit and run and also playing it
sparingly are important things to keep in mind and implement in your actual playing (betting) if you want to profit using this method.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 03, 10:40 AM 2018
Winner, it may be an educated guessing game but is not all in business to some extent an educated guess??
How about the stock market???
How about livestock or farming????
How about going on a date with a young lady lol???
How about politics??? O0
Baccarat is a totally random, non-dependant, negative expectancy game of chance. Which means the casino knows over the long haul they have the mathematical advantage over the player.
Theoretically, if a player gambles continuously for weeks, months, and years, his bankroll is destined to ruin by the casino’s build in win advantage or “vigorish.â€
However, as an intelligent, knowledgeable, and disciplined player, things are not as forbidding as the mathematicians would lead one to believe.
First, the player will not be playing continuously 24 hours per day every day. He will limit his time and capital exposure, then use his methods to maximize his chance to capture a profitable trend in the ebb and flow of Baccarat decisions. Always, the player will employ smart money management to conserve and protect his bankroll against adverse trends in the game. Realistically, the player should experience many trips to the casino with profitable results.
Treat your play as a business and remember the more educated your guesses become the more profit is more likely to come.
Stuart
Good post -- the highlighted parts have a couple of good ideas that have been mentioned before many times in this thread, but needs reiterating periodically.
Gave your post a plus rating (which it thoroughly deserves). :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 03, 04:32 PM 2018
Good post -- the highlighted parts have a couple of good ideas that have been mentioned before many times in this thread, but needs reiterating periodically.
Gave your post a plus rating (which it thoroughly deserves). :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
You're absolutely right Doc
Today 6 games played 6 games won.
Progression 15, 15, 45
Profit $90
I'm betting in a safe way.
Ex:
BPP BPP B and I start betting against it
BBP
It could be a long waiting but the wait is worth it.
133--6
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 03, 04:47 PM 2018
133--6
Man with the midas touch on your way to the magic millions as usual. :thumbsup:
Ok.........results from 36 baccarat shoes = sessions (played 3-6 sessions per day)
Sorry this post will be long and detailed. I have discovered some rather interesting facts, some were surprise and some were exactly what I have expected.
I have tested few ways of play discussed in this topic : MV (or matrix) , 4,5,6 and 7 , I also played original PB and I have played the way Andre play's and I called that system Andre (hehe) , but I did play it bit differently , so I can test some of my theories too .
In this post I will provide results from all the games but Andre one...that one will be in next post because it is most detailed and there are few things to discuss
Results for all matrix plays were in my case disaster , even MV7 ....so no point in posting those.
As for original PB here are results from 36 shoes/sessions :
Original 1,2,4 progression used for testing purposes :
W/L ratio : 33 / 8
Total units : -23
Winning hits on each step :
Step 1 = W = 21
Step 2 = LW = 10
Step 3 = LLW = 2
In my case evidently PB was a losing system, although I believe in the structure of it and respect JL and everyone who works on it. Pretty much same results I had on roulette playing all 3 E/C's .
BUT...from what I see above , if we use different progression, like 1,2 and play only first 2 steps we could of be in winning waters. Of course many of you could have different results than I am having. For example JL is successful for years . So we can not use my results to come to any conclusion , but just use them as addition to other tests .
Now results, facts and info from playing " Andre" system (I know it's not exactly how Andre plays it but that man deserves this to be named after him lol) :
FOR TESTING PURPOSES I have decided to go " blind" into games and play all combinations of 3 results and used original 1,2,4 progression.
@Andre....I was going to tell you earlier, but I am doing it now....according to your results posted before and my tests progression 1,2,3 would be better of as we get many winning hits on second bet. I know it is one more unit to lose if there is a loss but quite a few more to win instead of getting even , as we have more winnings.
Before I post results I have to say that I decided to play against BBB and PPP as well. reason for that is...yes we try to avoid long streaks , and although they MUST happen, they do not happen as often and they rarely go over 8 - 9 in a row, and if it happens it is 1 loss compare to few wins .
Results 36 shoes = sessions (3 - 6 per day) :
WIN / LOSS RATIO : 90/13
Total score in units : - 2 This was bit of a shock for me :)
Total winning hits on each bet :
Winning hit on first bet = W = 67
Winning hit on Second bet = LW = 24
Winning hit on third bet = LLW = 5
This is why I think progression 1,2,3 would be better. Or some of you will say perhaps skipping step 3 wouldn't be bad either?
And now WIN/LOSS ratio results for each pattern.......sit down...there are some surprises :) :
PPB,PPB = 11 / 0
BBB,BBB = 9 / 0
PBP,PBP = 13/ 1
BPP, BPP = 21/ 2
PBB,PBB = 10 / 2
BPB,BPB = 6 / 2
PPP, PPP = 11 / 3
BBP, BBP = 9 / 3
As we can see we have most wins from BPP and PBP and quite a few wins from PPP and BBB. PBP and BPB repeating is not bad because it doesn't form perfect zig zag like PBPBPBPB......
Now , something that could be the MOST IMPORTANT fact......I have checked all losses and found that every single loss apart from 1 was NOT double....which means if we had PBB, PBB and we lost our 3 bets on next PBB, after that, one of next 3 bets would be winning one and recovery . So we could work out on recovery thing , immediately after loss , I don't know something like 2,4,8, or 4,8,12 , but we also have to keep in mind that people like Andre, Ricky and myself do play with bigger units not $1 units or less. :)
I hope this helps guys.
I am tired so if I have made some mistake or said something silly be gentle :)
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 04, 12:56 AM 2018
Now results, facts and info from playing " Andre" system (I know it's not exactly how Andre plays it but that man deserves this to be named after him lol) :
FOR TESTING PURPOSES I have decided to go " blind" into games and play all combinations of 3 results and used original 1,2,4 progression.
@Andre....I was going to tell you earlier, but I am doing it now....according to your results posted before and my tests progression 1,2,3 would be better of as we get many winning hits on second bet.
I posted that earlier. :)
I know it is one more unit to lose if there is a loss but quite a few more to win instead of getting even , as we have more winnings.
Before I post results I have to say that I decided to play against BBB and PPP as well. reason for that is...yes we try to avoid long streaks , and although they MUST happen, they do not happen as often and they rarely go over 8 - 9 in a row, and if it happens it is 1 loss compare to few wins .
Results 36 shoes = sessions (3 - 6 per day) :
WIN / LOSS RATIO : 90/13
Total score in units : - 2 This was bit of a shock for me :)
I posted that earlier. :)
Total winning hits on each bet :
Winning hit on first bet = W = 67
Winning hit on Second bet = LW = 24
Winning hit on third bet = LLW = 5
This is why I think progression 1,2,3 would be better. Or some of you will say perhaps skipping step 3 wouldn't be bad either?
And now WIN/LOSS ratio results for each pattern.......sit down...there are some surprises :) :
PPB,PPB = 11 / 0
BBB,BBB = 9 / 0
PBP,PBP = 13/ 1
BPP, BPP = 21/ 2
PBB,PBB = 10 / 2
BPB,BPB = 6 / 2
PPP, PPP = 11 / 3
BBP, BBP = 9 / 3
As we can see we have most wins from BPP and PBP and quite a few wins from PPP and BBB.
Combined : 20/3 is still a losing bet.
PBP and BPB repeating is not bad because it doesn't form perfect zig zag like PBPBPBPB......
Now , something that could be the MOST IMPORTANT fact......I have checked all losses and found that every single loss apart from 1 was NOT double....which means if we had PBB, PBB and we lost our 3 bets on next PBB, after that, one of next 3 bets would be winning one and recovery . So we could work out on recovery thing , immediately after loss , I don't know something like 2,4,8, or 4,8,12 ,
Don't try this with roulette, you will lose big time.
but we also have to keep in mind that people like Andre, Ricky and myself do play with bigger units not $1 units or less. :)
I hope this helps guys.
I am tired so if I have made some mistake or said something silly be gentle :)
@CHT
Hehe...it's good that our discoveries match and confirm :)
Andre,
I hope your reaction has nothing to do with my posts?? !! I am loving what you are doing !
What the f****???????
You are having a go at someone who supports you and who did what you asked for......Now that I see what kind of person you are I regret spending any second reading and liking your posts and supporting you .......Mate...you can go and...you know what.......
Yes Steve...you should ban any rude as*&^
Seriously....you are going to go THAT low.....? It just shows what kind of person you are ....I am not going to respond to you anymore
I want to apologize to all members of this forum about my over reacting. I'm just tired of amateur players saying bullshit.
I play for a a living... Don't f*** kidding me.
Sorry guys
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 04, 04:19 AM 2018
I want to apologize to all members of this forum about my over reacting. I'm just tired of amateur players saying bullshit.
I play for a a living... Don't f*** kidding me.
Sorry guys
Andre,
Just cool it, man. You get too emotionally affected by what others say.
There will always be naysayers in forums, like this one.
Many of them just want to run computer simulations. Some of them are professional programmers or are simply good at programming - so for them, writing programs and running simulations is something they enjoy. They get pleasure from doing so. Just let them do it.
What should matter -- to you -- is what is happening with your own playing.
Are you winning or not?
As long as you are, just keep playing -- and winning !
Does anything else matter?
Please keep us updated with your results.
@Dr Sudoku
Just for the record I am not naysayer , if you read my posts again you will hopefully notice that I DO support and like the way Andre plays , and when he asked all of us to post results that is what I did , with the hope we all can improve and get even better results.
I have shown nothing but friendly manner and respect.
Another thing...I wasn't doing any testing or programming, I wouldn't have idea how to make a program , neither I was using mathematics.
I was trying to work together with you guys on Andre's way of playing and I still like the way he does it. I am not sure how anyone can take my posts as negative towards what we do . Perhaps because English is not my first language?
Also.....What I don't appreciate is someone talking to me that way.......calling me a girl , mentioning dolls , calling me novice and so on.....He doesn't know anything about me , and believe me he would be surprised. You can not judge someone just like that and be rude about it.
At the end of the day....EVEN IF I didn't agree with him and support what he does (Which I DO) it would of be polite to accept my opinion and agree to disagree , not acting like some maniac.
I went through 2 wars , lost most of my family , was shot 4 times and yet I am polite and calm.
And once again I do like what Andre does in HIS way , and I do the same, and I believe he will actually succeed with his plan, but as a person he lost my respect , because of his behavior
Perhaps I failed to mention when I posted test results, that I was going on purpose for worse case scenario and risks, so even in that way results were pretty good, which proves that if we play the way Andre , or Dr Sudoku, or Ricky , or CHT play , with caution, patience and experience, results would definitely look much much better
I want to cry it seems I like Baccarat more the Craps lol.
Baccarat is nice and calm and Craps is like the INDY 500 crazy and anything can happen and most times does lol.
I have heard of many who make money playing Baccarat, my craps buddy said you need a smaller bank to make money at Baccarat too.
What do you guys think???????????
OH AND I FORGOT TO MENTION I CANT PLAY CRAPS ANY PLACE ONLINE AND THE NEAREST CASINO IS 3 HOURS AWAY but I can play Baccarat online in my home no money for gas lol.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 04, 12:16 PM 2018
I want to cry it seems I like Baccarat more the Craps lol.
Baccarat is nice and calm and Craps is like the INDY 500 crazy and anything can happen and most times does lol.
I have heard of many who make money playing Baccarat, my craps buddy said you need a smaller bank to make money at Baccarat too.
What do you guys think???????????
OH AND I FORGOT TO MENTION I CANT PLAY CRAPS ANY PLACE ONLINE AND THE NEAREST CASINO IS 3 HOURS AWAY but I can play Baccarat online in my home no money for gas lol.
Stuart,
Which online casino are you playing at? And have you deposited money there and playing for real (not fun mode)?
BET PHOENIX.
Five Dimes also always pays too but I am looking to making 25 dollars an hour with some of the methods I play.
The differential betting thing I shared works well when combined with Pattern Banker I call it the SLEDGEHAMMER LOL.
Stuart
This is with BACCARAT only.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 04, 05:09 AM 2018
Andre,
Just cool it, man. You get too emotionally affected by what others say.
There will always be naysayers in forums, like this one.
Many of them just want to run computer simulations. Some of them are professional programmers or are simply good at programming - so for them, writing programs and running simulations is something they enjoy. They get pleasure from doing so. Just let them do it.
What should matter -- to you -- is what is happening with your own playing.
Are you winning or not?
As long as you are, just keep playing -- and winning !
Does anything else matter?
Please keep us updated with your results.
Exactly Dr. I have a question for you. In your time running the 2 step for pattern breaker. What have been your
1--best winning streaks top 3?
2--longest losing streak step 3 and pure losses or a combination?
3--Average strikerate for a 100 game set. Example for me playing the normal PB its 92 wins to 8 losses.
4--Average winning streaks?
Ive been through 2000 of my high low games and got the following stats.
Top 3 winning streaks for 2 steps
15
13
12
Longest losing streak Step 3 and pure losses combined 5 three times. Pure losses alone 3 in a row. Pure step 3 losses 4 in a row
Best 100 game split 86 wins and 14 losses.
Worst 100 game split 73 wins and 27 losses.
Average 82--18
Most common winning streak 4 games.
Average 7 games.
Thankyou Dr. Im giving the 2 step a go using a multi level staking plan. To see how it fairs over a few 100 games. I think you said some time back. You average 12 wins to every loss. Which is phenomenal for a 3 unit play.
How do I delete this post????
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 04, 03:06 PM 2018
Exactly Dr. I have a question for you. In your time running the 2 step for pattern breaker. What have been your
1--best winning streaks top 3?
2--longest losing streak step 3 and pure losses or a combination?
3--Average strikerate for a 100 game set. Example for me playing the normal PB its 92 wins to 8 losses.
4--Average winning streaks?
Ive been through 2000 of my high low games and got the following stats.
Top 3 winning streaks for 2 steps
15
13
12
Longest losing streak Step 3 and pure losses combined 5 three times. Pure losses alone 3 in a row. Pure step 3 losses 4 in a row
Best 100 game split 86 wins and 14 losses.
Worst 100 game split 73 wins and 27 losses.
Average 82--18
Most common winning streak 4 games.
Average 7 games.
Thankyou Dr. Im giving the 2 step a go using a multi level staking plan. To see how it fairs over a few 100 games. I think you said some time back. You average 12 wins to every loss. Which is phenomenal for a 3 unit play.
JL,
The longest winning streak for the 1 2 progression has been 14.
My strike rate for PB for roulette is 12-1.
But for baccarat, using the same progression, it has been 10-1.
That has been a surprise for me because I would have expected it to be the other way around (since the Tie does not cause us to lose our bet in baccarat as compared to the 0/00 in roulette).
I expect the roulette strike rate to fall somewhat as I play more games with the 1 2 progression. (I only started implementing it about six months ago).
For the previous two years, I had played the 1 2 2 for PB for roulette. The reason I am satisfied with the 1 2 progression is because the drawdowns are lower. I only need 3 wins for every series loss -- and getting those 3 compensatory wins has been a routine experience for me (so far at least).
I wish I could play more baccarat. The problem is that there are only two tables at each of the two casinos that are nearest to where I live.
And on weekend nights, the tables are packed to capacity (baccarat is tremendously popular with East Asian and South-East Asian immigrants here in the US). I sometimes have to wait till as late as 2:00 AM (yes, that late !) before I can get a seat at the table.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 04, 01:39 PM 2018
BET PHOENIX.
Five Dimes also always pays too but I am looking to making 25 dollars an hour with some of the methods I play.
The differential betting thing I shared works well when combined with Pattern Banker I call it the SLEDGEHAMMER LOL.
Stuart
This is with BACCARAT only.
Stuart,
Thanks for the information. I wish I could play more baccarat, but I cannot do so for the reason that I mentioned in my previous post.
I'm with 5 Dimes
How can you bet on Baccarat,while while waiting for patterns to form.
Without losing money
You bet on all 3 options,you still lose money
Maybe I'm playing it wrong.
Are you playing at a 'LIVE' table??
Or RNG?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 04, 04:59 PM 2018
JL,
The longest winning streak for the 1 2 progression has been 14.
My strike rate for PB for roulette is 12-1.
But for baccarat, using the same progression, it has been 10-1.
That has been a surprise for me because I would have expected it to be the other way around (since the Tie does not cause us to lose our bet in baccarat as compared to the 0/00 in roulette).
I expect the roulette strike rate to fall somewhat as I play more games with the 1 2 progression. (I only started implementing it about six months ago).
For the previous two years, I had played the 1 2 2 for PB for roulette. The reason I am satisfied with the 1 2 progression is because the drawdowns are lower. I only need 3 wins for every series loss -- and getting those 3 compensatory wins has been a routine experience for me (so far at least).
I wish I could play more baccarat. The problem is that there are only two tables at each of the two casinos that are nearest to where I live.
And on weekend nights, the tables are packed to capacity (baccarat is tremendously popular with East Asian and South-East Asian immigrants here in the US). I sometimes have to wait till as late as 2:00 AM (yes, that late !) before I can get a seat at the table.
Thanks Doctor.
Yeah 12-1 is amazing even if it eventually bottoms out at 6--1 in the end its a winner.
Oh yes Baccarat is a real favourite amongst Asians. And I too would have thought it would top Roulette for strikerate. But 10--1 is still fantastic for a 3 unit play. It really is. Many thanks for your Reply Doctor. I will post up my results when ive played my first 100 games. Im currently 9--0. Im only playing it on HL. Cheers...
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 04, 04:59 PM 2018
JL,
The longest winning streak for the 1 2 progression has been 14.
My strike rate for PB for roulette is 12-1.
But for baccarat, using the same progression, it has been 10-1.
That has been a surprise for me because I would have expected it to be the other way around (since the Tie does not cause us to lose our bet in baccarat as compared to the 0/00 in roulette).
I expect the roulette strike rate to fall somewhat as I play more games with the 1 2 progression. (I only started implementing it about six months ago).
For the previous two years, I had played the 1 2 2 for PB for roulette. The reason I am satisfied with the 1 2 progression is because the drawdowns are lower. I only need 3 wins for every series loss -- and getting those 3 compensatory wins has been a routine experience for me (so far at least).
I wish I could play more baccarat. The problem is that there are only two tables at each of the two casinos that are nearest to where I live.
And on weekend nights, the tables are packed to capacity (baccarat is tremendously popular with East Asian and South-East Asian immigrants here in the US). I sometimes have to wait till as late as 2:00 AM (yes, that late !) before I can get a seat at the table.
You play PB at the 2 manual tables. That's like waiting forever for a game, isn't it ? Wow!
Where I play there are 100+ tables yet I don't play at the manual tables, they're just too slow at 1 1/2 - 2 hrs per shoe. And shoes stop playing half way into the deck.......to be continued much later.
About your strike rate, mine is about the same for baccarat. Roulette strike rate is bad, real bad.
Quote from: holymoly on Mar 04, 05:39 PM 2018
I'm with 5 Dimes
How can you bet on Baccarat,while while waiting for patterns to form.
Without losing money
You bet on all 3 options,you still lose money
Maybe I'm playing it wrong.
Are you playing at a 'LIVE' table??
Or RNG?
Good question. Unless you play at etgs.
Quote from: cht on Mar 04, 06:03 PM 2018
You play PB at the 2 manual tables. That's like waiting forever for a game, isn't it ? Wow!
Where I play there are 100+ tables yet I don't play at the manual tables, they're just too slow at 1 1/2 - 2 hrs per shoe. And shoes stop playing half way into the deck.......to be continued much later.
About your strike rate, mine is about the same for baccarat. Roulette strike rate is bad, real bad.
I am NOT sitting at the table waiting for patterns to form. If I do, people would come and tell me that they want to play.
I am usually playing at the craps tables which are nearby. I occasionally hop over to see what is going on at the baccarat tables and then go back to the craps tables.
I just move over to the baccarat table and stand next to it when the shoe is about
24 hands old. I start tracking. Usually the trigger (the 7th pattern) forms within the next 15 hands or so.
As soon as that happens, I get onto an empty seat (if available) and bet the next 2-3 hands. That's it.
Of course, after that I may then continue to sit at the table and play other even chance strategies that are applicable to baccarat (but I am not going to discuss them here).
The bottom line is that I don't stand at the baccarat table right from the beginning of the shoe (that would be a waste of time). I just wait for
24 hands to show up on the electronic board and then I stand next to the table and start tracking.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 04, 05:44 PM 2018
Thanks Doctor.
Yeah 12-1 is amazing even if it eventually bottoms out at 6--1 in the end its a winner.
Oh yes Baccarat is a real favourite amongst Asians. And I too would have thought it would top Roulette for strikerate. But 10--1 is still fantastic for a 3 unit play. It really is. Many thanks for your Reply Doctor. I will post up my results when ive played my first 100 games. Im currently 9--0. Im only playing it on HL. Cheers...
JL,
Playing it only on H/L? You can also try switching continuously from R/B to O/E to H/L as I have mentioned before.
@Sentinel ....please let us know how you go with 1,2 , I am really keen to hear it :)
@Dr Sudoku.....I am sure you already mentioned , and I apologize if you did, but how long you've been using 1,2 for?
Yes I love baccarat too and it is my preferred game, but in my B&M casino there is no many baccarat tables , so it makes my games longer and minimum bet is $25 . But like many of us said...patience is the key :)
And here in Australia we have bad situation with online casino's , not many available to us (so far only 2 I know of) , so we are pretty much like USA players , not much choice :(
I have been doing this with Baccarat for a while with good results, I have combined it with Pattern Breaker because I was getting a bit bored so this filled the time and using them together I call it the SLEDGEHAMMER LOL, so prepare to be dazzled.
Will it win all the time no, will it lose all the time no.
I start when I see PPPP or BBBB.
Start by placing 2 units after you have PPPP on B or vice versa if you have BBBB.
If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.
If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.
If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.
If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.
If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.
If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side.
If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit. Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.
If the side with 9 units loses we STOP HERE AND TAKE OUR LOSS! We are only down 15 units NOT 31 units like we would be after 5 losses in a row if we were only playing ONE SIDE [ P or B] and doubling our wager after each loss.
WE ARE DOWN LESS THAN 50% of what we could be, talk about minimizing losses.
A 2-1-2-1 strategy is easy what you do is break ALL your play into segments and win or lose you leave after a segment and take a break and return later to start another segment.
But here is how you play each segment.
Bankroll required
You need 30 units- each unit MUST be at least the table minimum bet [ example; at a $ 1.00 table you need $ 30.00 at a $ 5.00 table you need $150.00 ] per segment to be played also you NEED to be able to play AT LEAST 3 segments
Start segment one by playing the 1-2-3-5-9-unit progression with DOUBLE the wager progression. Play 2-4-6-10-18 with 2 units on the other side as your backup wager. Play this way until you win 30 units or bust [ your average bust will be 50 % of segment money- 15 units].IF YOU WIN 30 UNITS: walk away and take a break or find another table to play at.
When you return to play this time [ your 2nd segment ] Play 1-2-3-5-9 unit progression with 1 unit as your backup wager. IF YOU BUST: start over playing 2-4-6- 10-18 unit progression with a 2 unit back-up wager again.
EVERY TIME YOU BUST START OVER WITH THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH THE 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
EVERY TIME YOU WIN 15 UNITS ON YOUR 2ND SEGMENT START OVER--PLAYING THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH A 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
So when you are playing the 2-4-6-10-18 progression your average bust will be 15 units and when you play the 1-2-3-5-9 progression your average bust will be 8 units.
I understand that in Baccarat we can see like 15 Player or Banker in a row but not as often as you may think.
THIS IS JUST AN OLD CRAPS METHOD THAT I FOUND YEARS AGO AND ADAPTED FOR BACCARAT WHILE I WAS TESTING PATTERN BREAKER I was going bonkers waiting for the Pattern Breaker triggers to play so it filled the time nicely.
Can you lose surely you could have PPPPPPPPPP or BBBBBBBBBB but not every session or every day while you are playing this kind of method or idea.
Stuart
Please no personal attacks, please.
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 04, 11:17 PM 2018
@Sentinel ....please let us know how you go with 1,2 , I am really keen to hear it :)
@Dr Sudoku.....I am sure you already mentioned , and I apologize if you did, but how long you've been using 1,2 for?
Yes I love baccarat too and it is my preferred game, but in my B&M casino there is no many baccarat tables , so it makes my games longer and minimum bet is $25 . But like many of us said...patience is the key :)
And here in Australia we have bad situation with online casino's , not many available to us (so far only 2 I know of) , so we are pretty much like USA players , not much choice :(
Hi Footy73
I will do after my first game this morning im 10--0 with the two step. I actually came in after I had a win on the third step of the progression. And its payed off.
Obviously according to my 2000 game analysis. In which I found the longest streak to be 15 games. And Dr says his best streak to date is 14. I must now expect a loss is now coming soon.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 04, 10:31 PM 2018
JL,
Playing it only on H/L? You can also try switching continuously from R/B to O/E to H/L as I have mentioned before.
Yes Doctor I may well do that. For the first 100 games. Im going to stick on HL. Just to see how it does on my original choice. For the next 100 game set. I will mix it up. And then compare the two. Cheers...
@Sentinel
Thanks buddy , appreciate that. With your and Dr Sudoku's experience and way of playing , I am sure this is going to be good. As you know it also matches with my opinion and tests too. I know Ricky is also experimenting with different MM's at the moment and it seems that you ,DR, CHT, Ricky and myself are going the same way when it comes to MM .
My next 30-40 sessions I will be playing PB that way (and I am not talking programming and testing, but real play like last time) .
I don't know if you read my posts but I have mentioned that out of so many losses I have had with both ways I was playing there was only 1 double loss. All other losses would be winners in next set of 3 pattern , mostly on first or second bet (PB DID NOT have any double loss by the way) . What is you opinion on playing that one for full or half recovery straight away...or you think it is better to just cope with the loss and keep playing ?
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 05, 02:22 AM 2018
@Sentinel
Thanks buddy , appreciate that. With your and Dr Sudoku's experience and way of playing , I am sure this is going to be good. As you know it also matches with my opinion and tests too. I know Ricky is also experimenting with different MM's at the moment and it seems that you ,DR, CHT, Ricky and myself are going the same way when it comes to MM .
My next 30-40 sessions I will be playing PB that way (and I am not talking programming and testing, but real play like last time) .
I don't know if you read my posts but I have mentioned that out of so many losses I have had with both ways I was playing there was only 1 double loss. All other losses would be winners in next set of 3 pattern , mostly on first or second bet (PB DID NOT have any double loss by the way) . What is you opinion on playing that one for full or half recovery straight away...or you think it is better to just cope with the loss and keep playing ?
Regarding recovery from losses. Double losses only happened to me once every 25 to 30 losses on average. So basically I would average one double loss every 300 games.
So its pretty sold to have at least double stakes on the follow up game. Which I did when playing HL exclusively.
With Dr Sudokus 2 step revision. I am using a 4 LEVEL PLAN as follows.
LEVEL 1=1--2--DROP TO AFTER 4 WINS
LEVEL 2=2--4--STANDARD LEVEL
LEVEL 3=4--8--RISE TO AFTER 2 LOSSES
LEVEL 4=8--16 USE AFTER 3 LOSSES.
This how im staking two step PB. Going over 2000 games. There are two constants. 4 wins is the most common winning streak. And more than three losses in a row are uncommon.
So my current 10 game streak I dropped from level 2 to level 1 from game 5. And will stay there until I lose. Then go back to standard level. Im on a freak streak at the moment. Most streaks wont go beyond 6 in a row.
Could you explain the progression a bit more clearly- you say 'drop to after 4 wins' - what do you drop to? Same question for 'rise to after two losses' - the explanation seems to be missing a number?
Apologies if I have wrong end of stick.
I re-read this and have got it now.
Do I take it you're only betting on the first and second outcome of a triplet?
1st bet (bet2) - lose
2nd bet (bet4) - lose - quit
3rd - no bet
Start again...
@Sentinel
Somehow I missed out on Dr Sudoku's MM plan , but it seems like it's very smart and reasonable one. No high risks.
What I just did today with my 4 games(sessions) was......if I lose on , for example, PBB is last pattern and I lost first 2 bets , I play again immediately after, but instead of 1,2 I play 2,4 and it does go well...so I ended up with - 1 unit instead of -3, . That unit gets recovered with next 1,2 win easy.
But yes i still like Dr's MM and really am keen to follow your progress. Good luck mate :)
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 05, 05:36 AM 2018LEVEL 1=1--2--DROP TO AFTER 4 WINS
LEVEL 2=2--4--STANDARD LEVEL
LEVEL 3=4--8--RISE TO AFTER 2 LOSSES
LEVEL 4=8--16 USE AFTER 3 LOSSES.
Hi Sentinel,
this is a great staking strategy. It is safe and has a plan to recover in case of 2-3 losses. As I mentioned earlier, once we have consistent wins and our bankroll can support it, having a multilevel staking strategy can accelerate our bankroll. I would like to ultimately get to a 4 Level strategy betting
Level 1 5 base unit
Level 2 10 base unit
Level 3 20 base unit
Level 4 40 base units per session spread over multiple days.
But this cannot be done using a 1-2-4 progression. Maybe I can try this with your suggested 1-2 progression approach which will require a smaller bankroll and have a plan for recovery.
So the plan would be
Base Unit = $5
progression as you described
LEVEL 1=1--2--DROP TO AFTER 4 WINS
LEVEL 2=2--4--STANDARD LEVEL FOR CONSECUTIVE 10 WINS
LEVEL 3=4--8--RISE TO AFTER 2 LOSSES
LEVEL 4=8--16 USE AFTER 3 LOSSES.
After 10 wins on LEVEL 2 increase base Unit to $10 and repeat the process for another 10 consecutive wins
Then increase to Base Bet of $20 and repeat the process for another 10 consecutive wins
Then increase to Base Bet of $40 and repeat the process for another 10 consecutive wins
This can be played over 4-5 days depending on lucky streak. Maybe extend to 2 weeks. Then repeat the process starting at $5 until you reach a certain bankroll to support higher base bets of >$80
Cheers,
Ricky
Sounds good Ricky, let us know how you are going mate :)
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 05, 12:39 AM 2018
I have been doing this with Baccarat for a while with good results, I have combined it with Pattern Breaker because I was getting a bit bored so this filled the time and using them together I call it the SLEDGEHAMMER LOL, so prepare to be dazzled.
Will it win all the time no, will it lose all the time no.
I start when I see PPPP or BBBB.
Start by placing 2 units after you have PPPP on B or vice versa if you have BBBB.
If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.
If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.
If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.
If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.
If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.
If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side.
If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit. Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.
If the side with 9 units loses we STOP HERE AND TAKE OUR LOSS! We are only down 15 units NOT 31 units like we would be after 5 losses in a row if we were only playing ONE SIDE [ P or B] and doubling our wager after each loss.
WE ARE DOWN LESS THAN 50% of what we could be, talk about minimizing losses.
A 2-1-2-1 strategy is easy what you do is break ALL your play into segments and win or lose you leave after a segment and take a break and return later to start another segment.
But here is how you play each segment.
Bankroll required
You need 30 units- each unit MUST be at least the table minimum bet [ example; at a $ 1.00 table you need $ 30.00 at a $ 5.00 table you need $150.00 ] per segment to be played also you NEED to be able to play AT LEAST 3 segments
Start segment one by playing the 1-2-3-5-9-unit progression with DOUBLE the wager progression. Play 2-4-6-10-18 with 2 units on the other side as your backup wager. Play this way until you win 30 units or bust [ your average bust will be 50 % of segment money- 15 units].IF YOU WIN 30 UNITS: walk away and take a break or find another table to play at.
When you return to play this time [ your 2nd segment ] Play 1-2-3-5-9 unit progression with 1 unit as your backup wager. IF YOU BUST: start over playing 2-4-6- 10-18 unit progression with a 2 unit back-up wager again.
EVERY TIME YOU BUST START OVER WITH THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH THE 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
EVERY TIME YOU WIN 15 UNITS ON YOUR 2ND SEGMENT START OVER--PLAYING THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH A 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
So when you are playing the 2-4-6-10-18 progression your average bust will be 15 units and when you play the 1-2-3-5-9 progression your average bust will be 8 units.
I understand that in Baccarat we can see like 15 Player or Banker in a row but not as often as you may think.
THIS IS JUST AN OLD CRAPS METHOD THAT I FOUND YEARS AGO AND ADAPTED FOR BACCARAT WHILE I WAS TESTING PATTERN BREAKER I was going bonkers waiting for the Pattern Breaker triggers to play so it filled the time nicely.
Can you lose surely you could have PPPPPPPPPP or BBBBBBBBBB but not every session or every day while you are playing this kind of method or idea.
Stuart
Please no personal attacks, please.
Ok had a nice little session with the SLEDGEHAMMER today and I had some good profits too check out the sheet guys.
Pattern Breaker and the above STREAKS method adapted to Baccarat is quite fun.
I stop at the first W and then retrack to get my next triple to play against.
You must trust the method and not second guess and play in FEAR.
Stuart
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 05, 02:22 AM 2018
@Sentinel
Thanks buddy , appreciate that. With your and Dr Sudoku's experience and way of playing , I am sure this is going to be good. As you know it also matches with my opinion and tests too. I know Ricky is also experimenting with different MM's at the moment and it seems that you ,DR, CHT, Ricky and myself are going the same way when it comes to MM .
My next 30-40 sessions I will be playing PB that way (and I am not talking programming and testing, but real play like last time) .
I don't know if you read my posts but I have mentioned that out of so many losses I have had with both ways I was playing there was only 1 double loss. All other losses would be winners in next set of 3 pattern , mostly on first or second bet (PB DID NOT have any double loss by the way) . What is you opinion on playing that one for full or half recovery straight away...or you think it is better to just cope with the loss and keep playing ?
I am a very conservative bettor, especially when it comes to roulette (slight less so for craps and baccarat). My goal is always bank roll preservation first, given the vagaries of this game.
I have noticed that well over 80% of the wins come on the first two bets, so that is why I am giving the 1 2 a try. I started playing this progression about six months ago (previously, for about two years prior to that I had used the 1 2 2 progression with good results).
It is still early days and so far the 1 2 is holding up well. But I am willing to tweak it further, if it is necessary.
I am also interested in the 1 1 3, but for now I will stick with the above approach until and unless the empirical results indicate otherwise.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 05, 12:39 AM 2018
I have been doing this with Baccarat for a while with good results, I have combined it with Pattern Breaker because I was getting a bit bored so this filled the time and using them together I call it the SLEDGEHAMMER LOL, so prepare to be dazzled.
Will it win all the time no, will it lose all the time no.
I start when I see PPPP or BBBB.
Start by placing 2 units after you have PPPP on B or vice versa if you have BBBB.
If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.
If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager on the losing side up to 3 units.
If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1 unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.
If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.
If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.
If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side.
If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit. Place 1 unit on that winning side and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.
If the side with 9 units loses we STOP HERE AND TAKE OUR LOSS! We are only down 15 units NOT 31 units like we would be after 5 losses in a row if we were only playing ONE SIDE [ P or B] and doubling our wager after each loss.
WE ARE DOWN LESS THAN 50% of what we could be, talk about minimizing losses.
A 2-1-2-1 strategy is easy what you do is break ALL your play into segments and win or lose you leave after a segment and take a break and return later to start another segment.
But here is how you play each segment.
Bankroll required
You need 30 units- each unit MUST be at least the table minimum bet [ example; at a $ 1.00 table you need $ 30.00 at a $ 5.00 table you need $150.00 ] per segment to be played also you NEED to be able to play AT LEAST 3 segments
Start segment one by playing the 1-2-3-5-9-unit progression with DOUBLE the wager progression. Play 2-4-6-10-18 with 2 units on the other side as your backup wager. Play this way until you win 30 units or bust [ your average bust will be 50 % of segment money- 15 units].IF YOU WIN 30 UNITS: walk away and take a break or find another table to play at.
When you return to play this time [ your 2nd segment ] Play 1-2-3-5-9 unit progression with 1 unit as your backup wager. IF YOU BUST: start over playing 2-4-6- 10-18 unit progression with a 2 unit back-up wager again.
EVERY TIME YOU BUST START OVER WITH THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH THE 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
EVERY TIME YOU WIN 15 UNITS ON YOUR 2ND SEGMENT START OVER--PLAYING THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH A 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.
So when you are playing the 2-4-6-10-18 progression your average bust will be 15 units and when you play the 1-2-3-5-9 progression your average bust will be 8 units.
I understand that in Baccarat we can see like 15 Player or Banker in a row but not as often as you may think.
THIS IS JUST AN OLD CRAPS METHOD THAT I FOUND YEARS AGO AND ADAPTED FOR BACCARAT WHILE I WAS TESTING PATTERN BREAKER I was going bonkers waiting for the Pattern Breaker triggers to play so it filled the time nicely.
Can you lose surely you could have PPPPPPPPPP or BBBBBBBBBB but not every session or every day while you are playing this kind of method or idea.
Stuart
Please no personal attacks, please.
Stuart,
Thanks for sharing this "differential betting"-type method (I say "type" because it is not a strict differential betting method since you are actually still betting both sides).
I think this method would work better for Pass versus Don't Pass in craps (since the P vs DP is choppier compared to the B vs P in baccarat).
@Dr Sudoku,
You are right, safe and cautious betting , without crazy bets , chasing losses, huge progressions is the way to go . I liked 1, 1, 3 progression, but after so many games played and after seeing what you and others are also saying, it is not so good because lots of wins do come on second bet . Perhaps 1,2,3 is not bad either.....it's work in progress and we are getting somewhere :)
@footy73
Before start talking about Pattern breaker again Id like to publicly apologize to footy73. That day I had a discussion with my sister and I was very stressed. I said rude words and Im very sorry about it.
I asked Steve to delete the messages. I consider myself a good man and do not like to offend anyone.
I acted like an idiot. Im very sorry and ashamed. I hope you accept my sincere apologies, footy73.
I know you're a nice guy!
I wish you all the best
@ Andre
Thank you VERY much for being a man and doing that. Of course I accept and I understand and I do hope your issue is solved :).
And to be honest I still believe in what you are doing and at the moment I am playing next few days YOUR way , because it is working for me too , so I would be more than happy to work together on anything in the future. Just a small note.....I am playing your way , but using 1,2 progression leaving out third step, just to see how i will go. I know you are using larger units too (my minimum in casino is $25 for Bac) , so I am hoping this would work...if not...back to 1,1,3 or 1,2,3 .
And one more thing I have to be honest about....although I was angry with you I was still hoping you will not get banned and you will keep us updated with your progress :) .
Stuart,
Thanks for sharing this "differential betting"-type method (I say "type" because it is not a strict differential betting method since you are actually still betting both sides).
I think this method would work better for Pass versus Don't Pass in craps (since the P vs DP is choppier compared to the B vs P in baccarat).
Doc yes craps has fewer streaks of sorts but because of the Excitement of craps, I would forget that the come out 7s and 11s are passline wins so I would sometimes forget the progression and wham I would get a seven out and forget if I had a bet on the pass or don't pass.
In the end, I just started waiting for a PP or DD don't pass to start playing and after that, the progression would almost never get beat.
Yes, my focus was lacking at times and I would get so upset because I was concentrating mostly on dice setting and the toss mechanics of dice influence.
I had the same problem with golf I loved the hitting of balls but really did not like playing on the golf course, I was a ball pounder and loved just the mechanics of the golf swing.
I am looking forward to trying Pattern Breaker on the bubble craps machine and see how it works at Harrahs Cherokee.
I know Rouletteghost would like to check it out also he has a bubble craps machine 20 minutes from his home.
Its much faster and the dice are real we just don't throw them.
Stuart
@ Andre and others who play the same way.....
I just had
PBB
PBB
PBB
PBB
in very last shoe I played. So I had a loss on first 2 bets (1 & 2) and decided not to chase straight after and then when second pair formed I had a win on first bet. (2 units bet) . So - 1 unit which was recovered with a win in next few minutes.
What I love about this way of playing and PB is the fact that you can not lose your bankroll
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 05, 11:14 PM 2018
Stuart,
Thanks for sharing this "differential betting"-type method (I say "type" because it is not a strict differential betting method since you are actually still betting both sides).
I think this method would work better for Pass versus Don't Pass in craps (since the P vs DP is choppier compared to the B vs P in baccarat).
Doc yes craps has fewer streaks of sorts but because of the Excitement of craps, I would forget that the come out 7s and 11s are passline wins so I would sometimes forget the progression and wham I would get a seven out and forget if I had a bet on the pass or don't pass.
In the end, I just started waiting for a PP or DD don't pass to start playing and after that, the progression would almost never get beat.
Yes, my focus was lacking at times and I would get so upset because I was concentrating mostly on dice setting and the toss mechanics of dice influence.
I had the same problem with golf I loved the hitting of balls but really did not like playing on the golf course, I was a ball pounder and loved just the mechanics of the golf swing.
I am looking forward to trying Pattern Breaker on the bubble craps machine and see how it works at Harrahs Cherokee.
I know Rouletteghost would like to check it out also he has a bubble craps machine 20 minutes from his home.
Its much faster and the dice are real we just don't throw them.
Stuart
Stuart,
Yes, we cannot play PB at regular table craps because there is no electronic board to give us the P vs DP for the last, say, 15 or so decisions -- like we have at regular table roulette or the 24 or so numbers that we have at airball terminals. So we have to do all the tracking ourselves and sooner or later somebody will probably come and ask us if we are just standing there or actually playing.
Bubble craps is definitely the way to go for applying PB to craps.
They do not have bubble craps at the two casinos that are nearest to where I live. So even though craps is my favorite casino table game, I have never been able to apply PB to craps.
So, yes, if you get a chance to play PB at bubble craps, please report back with the results.
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 05, 11:21 PM 2018
@ Andre and others who play the same way.....
I just had
PBB
PBB
PBB
PBB
in very last shoe I played. So I had a loss on first 2 bets (1 & 2) and decided not to chase straight after and then when second pair formed I had a win on first bet. (2 units bet) . So - 1 unit which was recovered with a win in next few minutes.
What I love about this way of playing and PB is the fact that you can not lose your bankroll
What you experienced is precisely the reason why I have dumped the third bet from my betting sequence (of late).
If you lose the 1 2, you are down only 3 units, and that is much easier to recover than if you are down 5 units (for the 1 2 2 and the 1 1 3 progressions) or the 7 units (for the standard 1 2 4 progression).
@sentinel
On your 4 level staking plan for PB, how long do you stay at L3 or L4 if you keep winning?
Many thanks.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 06, 02:50 AM 2018
What you experienced is precisely the reason why I have dumped the third bet from my betting sequence (of late).
If you lose the 1 2, you are down only 3 units, and that is much easier to recover than if you are down 5 units (for the 1 2 2 and the 1 1 3 progressions) or the 7 units (for the standard 1 2 4 progression).
@Dr Sudoku
It just proves that your MM is lil beauty , for sure :) . I survived that little hiccup easily
Well had a guy try to sell me a baccarat system yesterday for 1000 dollars, anybody heard of Jay Silva BACCARAT TKO he is based out of Columbia, but no I would never pay that kind of money for a system its against my Christian Faith,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thou shalt not get ripped off LOL.
But he has a video on youtube that did give me a few ideas, follow the trend, one before last result play opposite etc.
Stuart
I wonder why Steve doesnt comment here ?? Maybe TG should post first :girl_to:
I see a lot of 120-4, 98-2, from different people
One person I speak to every now and then same positive results
This is a good mechanical system.
I think this may be really really really good on bubble craps. Which I have here. DP and P rarely repeat patterns. Not too worried about the math guys on this.
RG I found out you can play pass and don't pass on the Bubble Craps machine at the same time, why because they don't pay out should you hit the 12 on the don't pass come out.
I am going to have to beg my wife to ride down to Cherokee to test it out but you are much closer 20 minutes versus 4 hours one way lol.
I think the bubble craps is one result every 45 seconds.
Stuart
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 05, 11:21 PM 2018
@ Andre and others who play the same way.....
I just had
PBB
PBB
PBB
PBB
in very last shoe I played. So I had a loss on first 2 bets (1 & 2) and decided not to chase straight after and then when second pair formed I had a win on first bet. (2 units bet) . So - 1 unit which was recovered with a win in next few minutes.
What I love about this way of playing and PB is the fact that you can not lose your bankroll
Hi, thank you for accepting my apologies. :thumbsup:
Yes, let's keep in touch and work together.
I am currently playing in a very secure way. I make only three bets per day ($90 profit) to avoid the variance.
I'm using a three step progression
30, 30, 90.
Using this progression I have done break even but I don't care.
I'm betting this amount for a month and after that I'll switch to 60, 60, 180
EX:
BPP BPP BP and I start betting.
A pattern to form for four times is a very rare event n Baccarat.
But this can be a long wait.
the longer the wait to win..............the longer it takes to bust......but bust it will
RG here is a nice video of the shoot to win bubble craps game Harrahs Cherokee does have one at the Cherokee location.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=wPyiHGgabQc
I think you get a roll about every 50 seconds which for Pattern Breaker and my Sledgehammer streaks version is a good thing.
Take a gander at the video but that is the same one as I have seen in Cherokee.
Stuart
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 06, 03:14 PM 2018
the longer the wait to win..............the longer it takes to bust......but bust it will
Yep, just like your genius messiah's repeaters system.
Ok RG I found this video it looks like it does 5 rolls in three and one-half minutes.
I am with you on this one it also looks like the minimum wager is 5 dollars on the DP or PASS lines this may be just the ticket to make a profit with pattern breaker and my version SLEDGEHAMMER with the streaks system.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=xtNjd_hG09k
Here is another video with 21 minutes of play it rolls the dice pretty quick.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNES5DHcos
It may be worth a 4 hour drive if I could profit four to five hundred for the day.
Stuart
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 06, 05:56 PM 2018
Yep, just like your genius messiah's repeaters system.
Doc did you get my PM about the darkside stuff????
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 06, 05:58 PM 2018
Doc did you get my PM about the darkside stuff????
Stuart
Yes, I just saw it. Let me digest it and I will get back to you. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I think Pattern Breaker is a percentage game. If you get 5 percent per day of your total bankroll that's is great
This strategy and its variations are better than the stock exchange.
Many stockbrokers work hard to get that percentage. A friend mine is happy when he gets 1 percent a day on stock exchange.
Does anyone agree?
are you saying banks should invest in roulette play...........now that sounds a bit silly.......dont you think
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 05, 11:21 PM 2018
@ Andre and others who play the same way.....
I just had
PBB
PBB
PBB
PBB
in very last shoe I played. So I had a loss on first 2 bets (1 & 2) and decided not to chase straight after and then when second pair formed I had a win on first bet. (2 units bet) . So - 1 unit which was recovered with a win in next few minutes.
What I love about this way of playing and PB is the fact that you can not lose your bankroll
Hi footy3,
I totally agree and am now playing this way. I have had 1 or two losses not going to the third step which would have produced a win but the way I see it we are risking 3 times our original stake for a 50/50 chance of winning 1 unit. Better to lose 3 units and recover in the next 3 or 4 games. if you get most wins in step 1 or 2 then it makes up for the loss without the stress to recover 7 units. And you definitely protect your bankroll. This style of play risk 3 units with 1-2 instead of 7 with 1-2-4 really suits low bankroll requirements. But as per Sentinel's post on staking levels you can really play with your base units to increase your bets in a winning streak and decrease on a losing streak. This betting style is recommended by most professional gamblers who do not adhere to the negative progression approach. So this is really a compromise between a positive progression and negative progression with a system that looks for triggers. So there is an element of trying to beat Mr Random and managing your bankroll. This IMO is the winning approach together with DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 06, 10:37 PM 2018
are you saying banks should invest in roulette play...........now that sounds a bit silly.......dont you think
Lol...
Hey man, you got it wrong. I mean it's more profitable to us play pattern breaker than to invest in the exchange market.
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 06, 04:43 AM 2018It just proves that your MM is lil beauty , for sure :) . I survived that little hiccup easily
And Stress Free. Playing 1-2-4 and then trying to recover with 2-4-8 on the next set of three would have put you in a 21 unit hole with two losses in a row. If each unit was $25 that $525 OUCH
Instead you would have been down 1-2 + 2-4 if you tried to immediately recover which is only 9 units or $225 at $25 base units. So as long as you do not keep losing in next 9 games then you can make up for the loss rather than having to win the next 21 games.
Definitely less stressful playing 1-2. I am now playing this way with good results. Only betting 4 euro base bets at the moment so my losses are more manageable
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 06, 08:41 AM 2018
Well had a guy try to sell me a baccarat system yesterday for 1000 dollars, anybody heard of Jay Silva BACCARAT TKO he is based out of Columbia, but no I would never pay that kind of money for a system its against my Christian Faith,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thou shalt not get ripped off LOL.
But he has a video on youtube that did give me a few ideas, follow the trend, one before last result play opposite etc.
Stuart
Hi Stuart, I posted a link to his video in this thread. Yes, he is trying to profit from selling his Baccarat TKO system. I have watched his videos and he has good ideas. What I like from his approach is his FORMULA for betting. that's the video I posted here which I encourage everyone to watch. Look I know he is trying to make money from selling ideas but I say if there is a demand out there for teaching people good on him. I would not pay that amount of money. But I do not think he is ripping anyone off. He is just doing what we are all sharing here for free. Ideas on how to beat the game. I am amazed at how many people do not have a clue about gambling an yet go to the casino and freely give their hard earned cash to these mulitbillion dollar institutions because they have no idea how to play the game or use their brains to bet smart. So for someone to sell their ideas to help people I do not see a problem with that. What I do see a problem is when people try to sell a system they claim will never lose and is the holy grail. And all it is is some martingale system where your risking thousands playing this "infallable" system.
For those who are interested in learning about the FORMULA which is a negative progression system based on D'Alembert and a positive progression system called the "LADDER" check out my post link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg191693#msg191693 (link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg191693#msg191693)
PS. As I mentioned previously and as others are posting, as well as having a good system in PB what we really need to have a grasp on is maximizing our wins with good MM approach and minimizing our losses with smart progressions. I think the 1-2 progression could be the answer to using PB for the negative progression component. The FORMULA idea could be the answer to the positive progression component where you up your bets when you get on a winning streak. As soon as you have one loss after climbing the ladder, you then get off and start at the base bet again. The way Jay does it is not exactly the formula we can use with PB but I think the idea is there which we can build on in this forum.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 06, 05:56 PM 2018
Ok RG I found this video it looks like it does 5 rolls in three and one-half minutes.
I am with you on this one it also looks like the minimum wager is 5 dollars on the DP or PASS lines this may be just the ticket to make a profit with pattern breaker and my version SLEDGEHAMMER with the streaks system.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=xtNjd_hG09k
Here is another video with 21 minutes of play it rolls the dice pretty quick.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNES5DHcos
It may be worth a 4 hour drive if I could profit four to five hundred for the day.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
This machine is the same one used at my local BM casino for SicBo. Although, it has three dice. I too have played PB on this machine for SicBo and won. But be careful. Although this may look like a random dice roll, I notice the shakes and bumps to get the dice to roll seem a little orchestrated to me. Almost as if it can control the outcome. Take a look at the min/max bets and ask the question why are they so high compared to the table limits on the real tables. I don't think the casinos are going to let gamblers bet big and get away with using smart systems without some sort of protection. Otherwise everyone would abandon the real tables and just play big on these machines.
So only play when others are putting on bets to disguise your play. If your the only one at the table bet cautiously. But let us all know how you go. When I get back from my trip overseas I will resume playing PB on SicBo on this bubble machine and report my results too.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 06, 09:50 PM 2018
I think Pattern Breaker is a percentage game. If you get 5 percent per day of your total bankroll that's is great
This strategy and its variations are better than the stock exchange.
Many stockbrokers work hard to get that percentage. A friend mine is happy when he gets 1 percent a day on stock exchange.
Does anyone agree?
Andre,
thats my plan. I do not intend to spend my profit from PB system. It will feed my investments in the stockmarket. This is the only way to get ahead without actively working for a living. The ultimate passive income.
Cheers,
Ricky
In continuing our discussion on the right progression and MM to play I have an idea that I would like feedback on to see if its viable. Without actually modelling it, my gut feeling is that it may work. I will try an code a model later. But the idea is:
We have a variable progression steps betting PATTERN BREAKER method between 1 and 3 steps. ie
We bet with one base bet until we have 3 units in profit or until some loss limit and start over.
For simplicity, lets say we are on a 1st step winning streak as follows
W +1
W +2
W +3
We we now have 3 units profit for risk of 1 unit (our original bet)
We then increase our progression to 1-2 risking our winnings (sort of a parlay but with profit not our original capital)
Best/Worst case we win the next 7 bets in 2 steps without a loss of both bets (best case)
LW +4
LW +5
LW +6
LW +7
LW +8
LW +9
LW +10
We do this until we have 10 units profit
We then go to 3 steps 1-2-4 (risking 7 units of profit) until we have a loss.
At this point we can start again or come up with a recovery or some other process to set our stakes. Let me know if this is a reasonable approach to start thinking about. What are the pitfalls you see apart from the obvious of having long losing streaks? Could this work with PB to capture the relatively long winning streaks on 1st and 2nd steps and minimize losses? If so how would we structure it?
Cheers,
Ricky
I am loving what I see here....regardless of level of success of systems we work on, believers and naysayers....one thing I see and am happy about is that there is a team work and people with experiences and ideas , who are happy to share and are not selfish .
Some people agree , some people disagree , but I personally am hungry for experience and knowledge and read with interest every post from people like Sentinel, Dr Sudoku, Andre, Ricky, CHT and few others . So well done guys, perhaps this is the point of us having a chance to use this forum (Thanks Steve) .
@Andre and Ricky ....I see you guys are having similar plan for next 12 months or so...it is like business plan. I started doing that 2 years ago and payed someone to make me excel sheet for 12 months (Each month separately) . There is an option to enter your bankroll balance on daily basis and on the top there is an option for you to put 3 different daily target goals (2.5 %, 5 % and 10% ) and it also gives you the sum you have to reach that day and expected sum for the end of the month . It just speeds up calculations for you and it gives you nice overview of your results and goals. It was nice watching my balance going from 25 units on 1st of January , to 495 units on 31st.
So if any of you guys are interested in having it I am happy to share with you . Just message me and let me know . I am not sure if I can attach it in message but do let me know if that is available option :)
@Ricky......as you know I am a fan of your work and am keen to see how you go with 1,2. Sentinel is starting to use it and Dr Sudoku is already successful with it, so there is something that is working :)
@Andre....I see you went level up with your base bet which is telling me you are still doing well. Bloody good job. Yes 4 patterns in the row happen very rarely and I saw it only twice in last 3 months of playing. Strange thing is that both times that happened was very same pattern. Another thing you would like is...yesterday I got bit bored and after finishing baccarat sessions I decided to play PB on roulette and while waiting for that I've played your way and guess what.....7 wins , 3 bet opportunities on all 3 EC's at the same time as well :) .
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 06, 11:29 PM 2018
Lol...
Hey man, you got it wrong. I mean it's more profitable to us play pattern breaker than to invest in the exchange market.
He not only got it wrong -- but he got it wrong INTENTIONALLY.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 07, 01:52 PM 2018
He not only got it wrong -- but he got it wrong INTENTIONALLY.
Seen that before
Excited to try on craps bubble machine.
Soon.
(Due to lack of betting opportunities I will be using larger units, play for a statistically insignificant number of spins to avoid the house edge)
How’s the baccarat results coming along?
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 07, 07:10 AM 2018
I am loving what I see here....regardless of level of success of systems we work on, believers and naysayers....one thing I see and am happy about is that there is a team work and people with experiences and ideas , who are happy to share and are not selfish .
Some people agree , some people disagree , but I personally am hungry for experience and knowledge and read with interest every post from people like Sentinel, Dr Sudoku, Andre, Ricky, CHT and few others . So well done guys, perhaps this is the point of us having a chance to use this forum (Thanks Steve) .
@Andre and Ricky ....I see you guys are having similar plan for next 12 months or so...it is like business plan. I started doing that 2 years ago and payed someone to make me excel sheet for 12 months (Each month separately) . There is an option to enter your bankroll balance on daily basis and on the top there is an option for you to put 3 different daily target goals (2.5 %, 5 % and 10% ) and it also gives you the sum you have to reach that day and expected sum for the end of the month . It just speeds up calculations for you and it gives you nice overview of your results and goals. It was nice watching my balance going from 25 units on 1st of January , to 495 units on 31st.
So if any of you guys are interested in having it I am happy to share with you . Just message me and let me know . I am not sure if I can attach it in message but do let me know if that is available option :)
@Ricky......as you know I am a fan of your work and am keen to see how you go with 1,2. Sentinel is starting to use it and Dr Sudoku is already successful with it, so there is something that is working :)
@Andre....I see you went level up with your base bet which is telling me you are still doing well. Bloody good job. Yes 4 patterns in the row happen very rarely and I saw it only twice in last 3 months of playing. Strange thing is that both times that happened was very same pattern. Another thing you would like is...yesterday I got bit bored and after finishing baccarat sessions I decided to play PB on roulette and while waiting for that I've played your way and guess what.....7 wins , 3 bet opportunities on all 3 EC's at the same time as well :) .
I would also like to add that I am NOT using any recovery progression at the present moment.
So it is 1 2 continuously for each series, regardless of whether I won or lost the previous series.
The way JL is playing it, he uses a recovery progression by increasing the amounts of the subsequent bets (ex. 1 2, then 2 4, etc.).
I do NOT use any such recovery progressions because it is akin to using a long negative progression -- and I am leery of using a long negative progression to recoup losses.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 07, 01:58 PM 2018
How’s the baccarat results coming along?
I am using a 1 2 progression for only the first two spins (I am skipping the third spin and so if I lose the first two bets, I have a 3 unit loss -- which is acceptable to me).
My roulette strike rate (betting against the 8th pattern) is about 12 - 1 -- but I think it might fall a bit as I play more.
And my baccarat strike rate using the 1 2 progression is 10 - 1.
It is surprising compared to my roulette strike rate -- you would expect the opposite, for obvious reasons.
Andre Chass
We are missing you!
Come back
Hi Andre
Hope all is well with you.
If any stockbroker could achieve 1% a day he would be one rich guy!
Just work out what that is, compounded over a year...
Anyway, just wondered why you have changed tactics when the original method was going so well.
also you said-
"BPP BPP BP and I start betting.
A pattern to form for four times is a very rare event n Baccarat.
But this can be a long wait."
Surely we should wait for BPP BPP BPP and then bet?
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 06, 11:57 PM 2018
Hi Stuart, I posted a link to his video in this thread. Yes, he is trying to profit from selling his Baccarat TKO system. I have watched his videos and he has good ideas. What I like from his approach is his FORMULA for betting. that's the video I posted here which I encourage everyone to watch. Look I know he is trying to make money from selling ideas but I say if there is a demand out there for teaching people good on him. I would not pay that amount of money. But I do not think he is ripping anyone off. He is just doing what we are all sharing here for free. Ideas on how to beat the game. I am amazed at how many people do not have a clue about gambling an yet go to the casino and freely give their hard earned cash to these mulitbillion dollar institutions because they have no idea how to play the game or use their brains to bet smart. So for someone to sell their ideas to help people I do not see a problem with that. What I do see a problem is when people try to sell a system they claim will never lose and is the holy grail. And all it is is some martingale system where your risking thousands playing this "infallable" system.
For those who are interested in learning about the FORMULA which is a negative progression system based on D'Alembert and a positive progression system called the "LADDER" check out my post link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg191693#msg191693 (link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg191693#msg191693)
PS. As I mentioned previously and as others are posting, as well as having a good system in PB what we really need to have a grasp on is maximizing our wins with good MM approach and minimizing our losses with smart progressions. I think the 1-2 progression could be the answer to using PB for the negative progression component. The FORMULA idea could be the answer to the positive progression component where you up your bets when you get on a winning streak. As soon as you have one loss after climbing the ladder, you then get off and start at the base bet again. The way Jay does it is not exactly the formula we can use with PB but I think the idea is there which we can build on in this forum.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky this video by Jay Silva is outstanding and it can be used while we wait for our PB tracking triggers.
He really knows what he is talking about when it comes to the basics of Baccarat.
Since I dont know really that much about Baccarat I watched the whold video several times but he really has some good info but there is just know way I would be able to pay him 1000 dollars for his stuff think about it we are all working and testing PB for the good of all of us on this thread.
Just like myself and RG want to use PB on the BUBBLE CRAPS machine to gather some good profits but its to the good of the community.
Here is the video check it out.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=OxYShQskBOw
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 07, 02:58 PM 2018
Andre Chass
We are missing you!
Come back
Hey my friend
How are things going?
Quote from: daveylibra on Mar 07, 03:20 PM 2018
Hi Andre
Hope all is well with you.
If any stockbroker could achieve 1% a day he would be one rich guy!
Just work out what that is, compounded over a year...
Anyway, just wondered why you have changed tactics when the original method was going so well.
also you said-
"BPP BPP BP and I start betting.
A pattern to form for four times is a very rare event n Baccarat.
But this can be a long wait."
Surely we should wait for BPP BPP BPP and then bet?
Hi mate
I did not change anything.
I just wait for two virtual losses.
I wait two pattern to form then I bet against it.
Ex: BPP BPP BP(2virtual losses) and I start betting the 3 steps progression.
BPB
I'm betting hit and run style. Only 3 bets a day. 30, 30, 90
I stopped counting the losses and wins because what interests me is to get the profit of $90 a day.
I'm doing very well and I'm thinking of increasing my bets.
@Dr Sudoku
Got ya...:)
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 07, 02:06 PM 2018
And my baccarat strike rate using the 1 2 progression is 10 - 1.
It is surprising compared to my roulette strike rate -- you would expect the opposite, for obvious reasons.
Hi doc
My baccarat strike rate is much better than yours.
I use my PB variation and is very hard I get a loss.
I'm using the progression 30, 30, 90 and is working great.
I play only 3 sessions per day because my target is get $90 profit per day.
I think baccarat variance is less than Roulette.
All this time I've been playing I've never seen the BPP or PBB patterns forming four times in a row.
I want to make it clear that I'm only using these two patterns to bet against.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 07, 08:17 PM 2018
Hi mate
I did not change anything.
I just wait for two virtual losses.
I wait two pattern to form then I bet against it.
Ex: BPP BPP BP(2virtual losses) and I start betting the 3 steps progression.
BPB
I'm betting hit and run style. Only 3 bets a day. 30, 30, 90
I stopped counting the losses and wins because what interests me is to get the profit of $90 a day.
I'm doing very well and I'm thinking of increasing my bets.
Hi Andre,
let me just confirm how you are using those virtual losses because as I am only playing 1-2 method I am thinking of a similar idea so I do not get disappointed when the third step of the pattern I did not bet actually would have won because it did not repeat a third time.
So are you waiting for BPP BPP and then watch the next
two spins. If they start to repeat with BP you then bet BPB?
So you are betting against BPP BPP BP
P BP forming (3 times the pattern and then the start of a fourth pattern). You are saying this pattern is rare to repeat 3.5 times. Well that would have covered my 2 losses I experienced yesterday but given I am only doing a 2 step progression I can handle more losses than what you are able to.
But what I was thinking with a two step progression I may do the first step virtual and then bet the last two steps of the 3rd repeat of the pattern so I actually get to see the sequence and if the first step is a virtual loss then my next two bets will test that the full 3 steps were a repeat or not. I would not be disappointed that I did not bet the last step and if I lose then I can really say the Casino got lucky. The only disappointment would be if I missed winning on the 1st step. but I would have not started betting so I can call that a lost opportunity to bet and no big deal.
So my thinking would be wait for BPP BPP B and then bet BB (opposite of PP). So if BPP BPP P comes out I have lost opportunity to win on the first step and do not bet
Cheers,
Ricky.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 07, 10:52 PM 2018
Hi doc
My baccarat strike rate is much better than yours.
I use my PB variation and is very hard I get a loss.
I'm using the progression 30, 30, 90 and is working great.
I play only 3 sessions per day because my target is get $90 profit per day.
I think baccarat variance is less than Roulette.
All this time I've been playing I've never seen the BPP or PBB patterns forming four times in a row.
I want to make it clear that I'm only using these two patterns to bet against.
Andre,
My strike rate is going to be lower than yours for the simple reason that I am using a 1 2 progression.
So anytime I do NOT get a win on those two steps, I record a loss for that series.
However, I lose only 3 units.
And that is easier to recover than if you are down by 5 units (with 1 2 2 or 1 1 3) or 7 units (with 1 2 4) -- in which case your recovery phase would be longer.
So the tradeoff is that my strike rate is lower than yours, but my recovery phase is also shorter (and, possibly, less stressful) than yours.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 08, 12:30 PM 2018
Andre,
My strike rate is going to be lower than yours for the simple reason that I am using a 1 2 progression.
So anytime I do NOT get a win on those two steps, I record a loss for that series.
However, I lose only 3 units.
And that is easier to recover than if you are down by 5 units (with 1 2 2 or 1 1 3) or 7 units (with 1 2 4) -- in which case your recovery phase would be longer.
So the tradeoff is that my strike rate is lower than yours, but my recovery phase is also shorter (and, possibly, less stressful) than yours.
how would you recover if you have 8 losing bets in row ?
Quote from: Winner on Mar 08, 12:34 PM 2018
how would you recover if you have 8 losing bets in row ?
So far, I have not had 8 losing bets in a row.
And if I did, I would still stick with the 1 2 progression.
I have had some back-to-back series losses (4 consecutive losing spins which equate to 2 series losses).
When they happen, I am down 6 units, but given my strike rate so far (12-1 for roulette and 10-1 for baccarat), I have been able to recoup my losses fairly easily.
JL and others are using a recovery progression (which I am against pretty strongly as I have mentioned in the previous couple of pages).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 08, 12:51 PM 2018
So far, I have not had 8 losing bets in a row.
And if I did, I would still stick with the 1 2 progression.
I have had some back-to-back series losses (4 consecutive losing spins which equate to 2 series losses).
When they happen, I am down 6 units, but given my strike rate so far (12-1 for roulette and 10-1 for baccarat), I have been able to recoup my losses fairly easily.
JL and others are using a recovery progression (which I am against pretty strongly as I have mentioned in the previous couple of pages).
so your 12/1 that's roughly 39 bets placed?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 08, 12:51 PM 2018
So far, I have not had 8 losing bets in a row.
And if I did, I would still stick with the 1 2 progression.
I have had some back-to-back series losses (4 consecutive losing spins which equate to 2 series losses).
When they happen, I am down 6 units, but given my strike rate so far (12-1 for roulette and 10-1 for baccarat), I have been able to recoup my losses fairly easily.
JL and others are using a recovery progression (which I am against pretty strongly as I have mentioned in the previous couple of pages).
Yes bare in mind im only willing to do this because I have a large sample of games. And see the consistency over the years..still I just didnt like letting thise step 3 wins go.
And have gone back to the 3 step system lol. I know now though that either way will work. But since I started doing the 2 step just on HL. A big streak has developed. I was 40 games in. And had only had 2 PURE LOSSES. The breakdown for the 40 is
5--L--13--L--20 (CURRENT)
In that fantastic streak of 20 there are 3 step 3 wins. I have to maintain with the original way of playing this system. Its never let me down in 11 years. I ALWAYS KNOW im coming out of EVERY 100 game set with PROFIT.
It never matters where the wins and losses come in the 100 game universe. The result is ALWAYS 12--60 units of profit at the end.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 08, 01:34 PM 2018
so your 12/1 that's roughly 39 bets placed?
12-1 is the strike rate. For every loss of a series, I have 12 wins (i.e. 12 series wins).
As I have said before, I use a 1 2 progression (if I lose both bets, I record the series as a loss).
1 loss means I lost both bets for the 1 2 progression (for a 3 unit loss).
1 win means I won that series either at the 1 unit step or the 2 unit step.
Just to be clear, I only play the 2 unit bet (the second step), if I lose the 1 unit bet (the first step).
Regardless of whether I get the win at the 1 unit step or the 2 unit step, I make a 1 unit profit for that series.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 08, 01:36 PM 2018
Yes bare in mind im only willing to do this because I have a large sample of games. And see the consistency over the years..still I just didnt like letting thise step 3 wins go.
And have gone back to the 3 step system lol. I know now though that either way will work. But since I started doing the 2 step just on HL. A big streak has developed. I was 40 games in. And had only had 2 PURE LOSSES. The breakdown for the 40 is
5--L--13--L--20 (CURRENT)
In that fantastic streak of 20 there are 3 step 3 wins. I have to maintain with the original way of playing this system. Its never let me down in 11 years. I ALWAYS KNOW im coming out of EVERY 100 game set with PROFIT.
It never matters where the wins and losses come in the 100 game universe. The result is ALWAYS 12--60 units of profit at the end.
JL,
I agree that it is a percentage game that we are playing -- and we should assess our results after, say, 50 series or 100 series.
I just use the 1 2 progression, given my aversion to risk (I am MORE risk averse than you are, obviously).
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
How about a guetting progression?
Quote from: Winner on Mar 08, 02:54 PM 2018
How about a guetting progression?
I have not tried it.
I started having success with PB around September, 2015.
Until about six months ago, I played PB with the 1 2 2 progression with a decent amount of success (as I have explained several times before in this thread, I implemented my own set of tweaks in playing PB).
Then a few months ago, I started employing the 1 2 progression to make things "tighter."
In other words, while my strike rate went down, my recovery sessions became shorter.
I now needed only 3 series wins to make up for 1 series loss (I explained that in a post earlier on in this page).
As of now, with the 1 2 progression, I am now enjoying a strike rate of 10-1 in baccarat and 12-1 in roulette (theoretically, I have to admit, it should be the other way around, but I am just reporting my results so far).
An addition to my previous post:
The guetting progression is a quasi-positive progression. It definitely has its uses for certain bet selection methods.
For betting against rare patterns (like against the 8th pattern as in PB), a mild negative progression would do a good job.
Since I like to keep things simple, the 1 2 negative progression is tolerably good enough for me (at least for the time being).
Having said that, I can still understand the reason why the guetting progression is worth giving a try (maybe a test project for the future !).
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 06, 05:58 PM 2018
Doc did you get my PM about the darkside stuff????
Stuart
Stuart,
I have not forgotten about your dark side craps strategy.
I will send you a response about it this weekend.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 08, 03:28 PM 2018
I have not tried it.
I started having success with PB around September, 2015.
Until about six months ago, I played PB with the 1 2 2 progression with a decent amount of success (as I have explained several times before in this thread, I implemented my own set of tweaks in playing PB).
Then a few months ago, I started employing the 1 2 progression to make things "tighter."
In other words, while my strike rate went down, my recovery sessions became shorter.
I now needed only 3 series wins to make up for 1 series loss (I explained that in a post earlier on in this page).
As of now, with the 1 2 progression, I am now enjoying a strike rate of 10-1 in baccarat and 12-1 in roulette (theoretically, I have to admit, it should be the other way around, but I am just reporting my results so far).
.................WHY WOULD ANYONE PLAY REPEATERS?????
Hey, guys, I have a question do the results have to be played out in a matrix what would happen if I did it like this here are some results from BetPheonix today dealer one.
PBPBPBBPBBBPPBPBPBPBPBPPBPBBBBBPBBBBBPPBBPBBBPPBPBPBPBBPBBB........DONE
Stuart
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 08, 03:52 PM 2018
.................WHY WOULD ANYONE PLAY REPEATERS?????
I get your sarcasm directed at me. But you are aiming it at the wrong person.
I have nothing against the repeaters method. Last year I spent a lot of time on it -- researching it using my collection of 5,000-plus
dealer-spun and airball wheel spins.
I found the most promising approach is to target the following two groups of numbers:
1. Betting on the 2-peaters to become 3-peaters.
and, to a lesser extent,
2. Betting on the 3-peaters to become 4-peaters.
For some cycles, flat betting was enough (when the above-listed repeaters were hitting frequently and they were genuinely still "hot").
For most cycles, though, when the above-listed repeaters were not hitting frequently (i.e. they had become "cold") flat betting did not work.
So the only way out was either using a positive progression on the very few repeaters that were actually hitting or using a negative progression.
But neither approach worked consistently well.
My test bankroll kept getting into a bigger and bigger hole.
I remain interested in the repeaters method -- and I am keeping up with what others are posting about it elsewhere in this forum.
But, for now, I am not playing the repeaters method with real money.
Again, nice try with the sarcasm.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 08, 04:22 PM 2018
Hey, guys, I have a question do the results have to be played out in a matrix what would happen if I did it like this here are some results from BetPheonix today dealer one.
PBPBPBBPBBBPPBPBPBPBPBPPBPBBBBBPBBBBBPPBBPBBBPPBPBPBPBBPBBB........DONE
Stuart
Stuart,
For readability reasons, laying the results out in sets of 3 is better (which means that you are less likely to make a mistake in your tracking).
So, for the first 12 results, you have:
PBP
BPB
BPB
BBPand so on and so forth.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 08, 01:36 PM 2018
Yes bare in mind im only willing to do this because I have a large sample of games. And see the consistency over the years..still I just didnt like letting thise step 3 wins go.
And have gone back to the 3 step system lol. I know now though that either way will work. But since I started doing the 2 step just on HL. A big streak has developed. I was 40 games in. And had only had 2 PURE LOSSES. The breakdown for the 40 is
5--L--13--L--20 (CURRENT)
In that fantastic streak of 20 there are 3 step 3 wins. I have to maintain with the original way of playing this system. Its never let me down in 11 years. I ALWAYS KNOW im coming out of EVERY 100 game set with PROFIT.
It never matters where the wins and losses come in the 100 game universe. The result is ALWAYS 12--60 units of profit at the end.
Hello
In the event of losing the series (1,2,4) or 7 units, do you stop for the day or do you continue on. What about your daily stop win in units, how many units and will call it a day.
Best regards,
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 08, 06:14 PM 2018
I get your sarcasm directed at me. But you are aiming it at the wrong person.
I have nothing against the repeaters method. Last year I spent a lot of time on it -- researching it using my collection of 5,000-plus
dealer-spun and airball wheel spins.
I found the most promising approach is to target the following two groups of numbers:
1. Betting on the 2-peaters to become 3-peaters.
and, to a lesser extent,
2. Betting on the 3-peaters to become 4-peaters.
For some cycles, flat betting was enough (when the above-listed repeaters were hitting frequently and they were genuinely still "hot").
For most cycles, though, when the above-listed repeaters were not hitting frequently (i.e. they had become "cold") flat betting did not work.
So the only way out was either using a positive progression on the very few repeaters that were actually hitting or using a negative progression.
But neither approach worked consistently well.
My test bankroll kept getting into a bigger and bigger hole.
I remain interested in the repeaters method -- and I am keeping up with what others are posting about it elsewhere in this forum.
But, for now, I am not playing the repeaters method with real money.
Again, nice try with the sarcasm.
Playing 2 peaters for 3 or 3 peaters for 4, our tests show that they fail.
Carpet bomb with positive or negative progression only serve to create holes when they miss.
One approach that's posted by others is to limit loss to the session br when miss, win multiples of session br when win - cut the losses short, let the profits run.
The way to design repeaters method is to understand -
1.
which repeaters hit above odds,
2.
when those repeaters hit.
If the method work, it should work with flat bet.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 08, 12:30 PM 2018
Andre,
My strike rate is going to be lower than yours for the simple reason that I am using a 1 2 progression.
So anytime I do NOT get a win on those two steps, I record a loss for that series.
However, I lose only 3 units.
And that is easier to recover than if you are down by 5 units (with 1 2 2 or 1 1 3) or 7 units (with 1 2 4) -- in which case your recovery phase would be longer.
So the tradeoff is that my strike rate is lower than yours, but my recovery phase is also shorter (and, possibly, less stressful) than yours.
Hi doc
Now I understand it. It's because you use a two steps progression so you consequently have more losses...
Obviously
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 08, 03:52 PM 2018
.................WHY WOULD ANYONE PLAY REPEATERS?????
Sarcasm aside, repeaters method is based on frequency distribution study, however the edge is elusive.
Pattern method is simple to play but fragile won't work for everyone, don't throw rocks at me. :xd:
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 08, 02:53 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
let me just confirm how you are using those virtual losses because as I am only playing 1-2 method I am thinking of a similar idea so I do not get disappointed when the third step of the pattern I did not bet actually would have won because it did not repeat a third time.
So are you waiting for BPP BPP and then watch the next two spins. If they start to repeat with BP you then bet BPB?
So you are betting against BPP BPP BPP BP forming (3 times the pattern and then the start of a fourth pattern). You're are saying this pattern is rare to repeat 3.5 times. Well that would have covered my 2 losses I experienced yesterday but given I am only doing a 2 step progression I can handle more losses than what you are able to.
But what I was thinking with a two step progression I may do the first step virtual and then bet the last two steps of the 3rd repeat of the pattern so I actually get to see the sequence and if the first step is a virtual loss then my next two bets will test that the full 3 steps were a repeat or not. I would not be disappointed that I did not bet the last step and if I lose then I can really say the Casino got lucky. The only disappointment would be if I missed winning on the 1st step. but I would have not started betting so I can call that a lost opportunity to bet and no big deal.
So my thinking would be wait for BPP BPP B and then bet BB (opposite of PP). So if BPP BPP P comes out I have lost opportunity to win on the first step and do not bet
Cheers,
Ricky.
Hi Ricky
That's it!
I'm waiting for BPP BPP and then watch the next two spins. If they start to repeat with BP I then bet BPB.
I'm betting against BPP BPP BP
P BP forming (3 times the pattern and then the start of a fourth pattern).
I've never seen a pattern forming four times in a row. It's really very rare.
It can be a long wait but i don't care because I have enough time.
Cheers
So good so far!
Today 3 games played, 3 games won.
Profit $90
I really love playing baccarat! :thumbsup:
PS: Guys, I need some help on the other thread "online casinos question". I want to make a deposit at the casino to increase my bets but I'm scared...
What is the hit rate for PBBPBBPBB ?
or, how many of this sequence appear in say 20 shoes ie. 1000+ hands?
Quote from: cht on Mar 08, 08:10 PM 2018
What is the hit rate for PBBPBBPBB ?
or, how many of this sequence appear in say 20 shoes ?
CHT
As I said before it can be a long waiting. I track 6 tables at the same time. 3 games I complete in about max 3 hours.
I dont know exactly
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 08, 06:14 PM 2018
I get your sarcasm directed at me. But you are aiming it at the wrong person.
I have nothing against the repeaters method. Last year I spent a lot of time on it -- researching it using my collection of 5,000-plus
dealer-spun and airball wheel spins.
I found the most promising approach is to target the following two groups of numbers:
1. Betting on the 2-peaters to become 3-peaters.
and, to a lesser extent,
2. Betting on the 3-peaters to become 4-peaters.
For some cycles, flat betting was enough (when the above-listed repeaters were hitting frequently and they were genuinely still "hot").
For most cycles, though, when the above-listed repeaters were not hitting frequently (i.e. they had become "cold") flat betting did not work.
So the only way out was either using a positive progression on the very few repeaters that were actually hitting or using a negative progression.
But neither approach worked consistently well.
My test bankroll kept getting into a bigger and bigger hole.
I remain interested in the repeaters method -- and I am keeping up with what others are posting about it elsewhere in this forum.
But, for now, I am not playing the repeaters method with real money.
Again, nice try with the sarcasm.
......boy o boy you picked up on that pretty quick........its ok mean no harm just a little fun.....to all who responded to my sarcasam.......we are all here for the same thing and i applaud all of you for your hard work......again just having a little fun
Which hit rate is faster comparing 6 shoes vs 6 wheels ?
Baccarat - PBBPBBPBB
Roulette - RBBRBBRBBRBB (tracking 3ECs)
Quote from: cht on Mar 08, 08:53 PM 2018
Which hit rate is faster comparing 6 shoes vs 6 wheels ?
Baccarat - PBBPBBPBB
Roulette - RBBRBBRBBRBB (tracking 3ECs)
I cant anwser that because I dont play BACCARAT CHT. But the average game of PBR takes 36 spins to qualify. That means on average 7 patterns are closed in 36 spins. And obviously the game is then won or lost in the next 3 spins 37--39...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 08, 08:06 PM 2018
So good so far!
Today 3 games played, 3 games won.
Profit $90
I really love playing baccarat! :thumbsup:
PS: Guys, I need some help on the other thread "online casinos question". I want to make a deposit at the casino to increase my bets but I'm scared...
Well done Andre you are doing really well. What are you scared about regarding online?
Quote from: cht on Mar 08, 08:53 PM 2018
Which hit rate is faster comparing 6 shoes vs 6 wheels ?
Baccarat - PBBPBBPBB
Roulette - RBBRBBRBBRBB (tracking 3ECs)
Hi CHT,
I do not think you can compare Baccarat and Roulette playing this pattern. I am going to join Andre in his way of play and his bankroll so I can provide see if our results compare well. I like his idea in that to beat this pattern the Casino will need to shuffle the cards in a specific order to create the repeating pattern. If they are as rare as Andre is experiencing then this should be a winner. Applying this to Roulette, I do not think you can necessarily claim it to be as rare as the randomness of the result occurs on every spin and the more random is allowed to do its thing the more chance IMO it will find the pattern at the very moment you are betting against it.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 08, 08:02 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
That's it!
I'm waiting for BPP BPP and then watch the next two spins. If they start to repeat with BP I then bet BPB.
I'm betting against BPP BPP BPP BP forming (3 times the pattern and then the start of a fourth pattern).
I've never seen a pattern forming four times in a row. It's really very rare.
It can be a long wait but i don't care because I have enough time.
Cheers
Hi Andre,
thanks for verifying your method of play. I am now at a stage where I am going to commit serious dollars to this method of play. I have been playing at a BM casino on a similar approach but just waiting for the pattern to repeat once. I started betting immediately. As we have been observing this pattern does repeat more often but does not tend to continue for more than 1 or two times before changing or the cards running out of the shoe. Yesterday, I played with the rule to reset the tracking after Tie and played for 3 hours with 5 wins zero losses. When I ignored the Tie I found I was seeing losses. So to make the pattern even more rare I think letting the Tie break the pattern is the best option. So we should see pure patterns repeated without any Tie
Now my question is have you built a tracker that you are using to track the 6 tables and advise you of the match or is it still manual. If not I am in the process of writing one in Excel similar to the original PB once shared on the forum
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 09, 04:56 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
thanks for verifying your method of play. I am now at a stage where I am going to commit serious dollars to this method of play. I have been playing at a BM casino on a similar approach but just waiting for the pattern to repeat once. I started betting immediately. As we have been observing this pattern does repeat more often but does not tend to continue for more than 1 or two times before changing or the cards running out of the shoe. Yesterday, I played with the rule to reset the tracking after Tie and played for 3 hours with 5 wins zero losses. When I ignored the Tie I found I was seeing losses. So to make the pattern even more rare I think letting the Tie break the pattern is the best option. So we should see pure patterns repeated without any Tie
Now my question is have you built a tracker that you are using to track the 6 tables and advise you of the match or is it still manual. If not I am in the process of writing one in Excel similar to the original PB once shared on the forum
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
I'm happy the strategy is working for you!
It's been a long time since I've had a loss. It's great! I want to increase my bets to get a profit of $500.00 a day but I'm scared to be banned. That's my problem...
No, I don't use a tracker. I just watch the six tables (the boards) at the same time. Simple like that.
Today 3 games played, 3 games won.
Progression 30, 30, 90 profit $90
As I said before I want increasing the bet but I don't know what to do. There's no BM casino where I live.
PS: You right. Don't ignore the Tie. Always reset the tracking. That's the way I play. Only pure patterns repeated.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 09, 07:50 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
I'm happy the strategy is working for you!
It's been a long time since I've had a loss. It's great! I want to increase my bets to get a profit of $500.00 a day but I'm scared to be banned. That's my problem...
No, I don't use a tracker. I just watch the six tables (the boards) at the same time. Simple like that.
Today 3 games played, 3 games won.
Progression 30, 30, 90 profit $90
As I said before I want increasing the bet but I don't know what to do. There's no BM casino where I live.
PS: You right. Don't ignore the Tie. Always reset the tracking. That's the way I play. Only pure patterns repeated.
Hi Andre,
What is your recommended starting BR in units to play your method? Do you think 14 units is enough to start ?
I really would like to test your method of play.
Brgds,
Jsintl
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 09, 07:50 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
I'm happy the strategy is working for you!
It's been a long time since I've had a loss. It's great! I want to increase my bets to get a profit of $500.00 a day but I'm scared to be banned. That's my problem...
No, I don't use a tracker. I just watch the six tables (the boards) at the same time. Simple like that.
Today 3 games played, 3 games won.
Progression 30, 30, 90 profit $90
As I said before I want increasing the bet but I don't know what to do. There's no BM casino where I live.
PS: You right. Don't ignore the Tie. Always reset the tracking. That's the way I play. Only pure patterns repeated.
When you play at b&m casino the real problem is how often do this pattern appear ?
You have to track on average 15-20 complete shoes to play just 3 games a day.
Each hand is 2-3 minutes.
How many shoes can you track at a time on your feet ?
After 3days you will be tired to the bones.
Your method is not playable at b&m casino. Forget about b&m casino, make coins with online casino.
B&M casino has max bet of USD$20k, higher in the high roller room. And you can't put up $30k for 1week free accommodation and food.
You are still far off to live in casino to play.
Quote from: cht on Mar 09, 08:12 PM 2018
When you play at b&m casino the real problem is how often do this pattern appear ?
You have to track on average 15-20 complete shoes to play just 3 games a day.
It would be ONE game a day.
Each hand is 2-3 minutes.
How many shoes can you track at a time on your feet ?
After 3days you will be tired to the bones.
I am a strong and energetic guy...lol
Your method is not playable at b&m casino. Forget about b&m casino, make coins with online casino.
It's is playable. Just one bet a day progression 1.000, 1.000, 3.000
B&M casino has max bet of USD$20k, higher in the high roller room. And you can't put up $30k for 1week free accommodation and food.
Yes, I can! I have this amount.
You are still far off to live in casino to play.
Nope, I'm closer than you think.
Do it ! ------ yoda
link:s://youtu.be/JoqDYcCDOTg
I'm just asking everyone on this forum to help me build an action plan.
What the best thing to do?
Play only in a single casino and wait to be banned. (if that really happens).
Open multiple accounts in multiple casinos.
Make a deposit of 2000 in each casino.
Etc...
As i said before I asked a friend who bets on football (soccer) games. He told me that he makes withdraw of 10k, 15k, 25k of the same betting site that I play without any problem.
Quote from: cht on Mar 09, 09:02 PM 2018
Do it ! ------ yoda
link:s://youtu.be/JoqDYcCDOTg
I'll do it. I'm not a candy ass. I'm bad to the bone... >:D
link:s://youtu.be/X9FyQNx8oyU
Lol
Don't forget you got to play that $30k chips in one week. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: cht on Mar 09, 09:24 PM 2018
Don't forget you got to play that $30k chips in one week. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Ok, ok that's enough.
Help me to build a plan to milk the online casinos
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 09, 09:09 PM 2018
I'm just asking everyone on this forum to help me build an action plan.
What the best thing to do?
Play only in a single casino and wait to be banned. (if that really happens).
Open multiple accounts in multiple casinos.
Make a deposit of 2000 in each casino.
Etc...
As i said before I asked a friend who bets on football (soccer) games. He told me that he makes withdraw of 10k, 15k, 25k of the same betting site that I play without any problem.
Any help here?
It's funny. When people here ask me some help Im all ears...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 09, 09:35 PM 2018
Any help here?
It's funny. When people here ask me some help Im all ears...
I have zero experience with online casino. Can't help you.
Be careful about the coin online players who give you advice. :xd:
Best advice I could give is ask
around for the most reliable oc's.
& how fast the cashout (should be within a week)
I'll stick to BM payout is fast not waiting a week that's just stupid.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 09, 09:35 PM 2018
Any help here?
It's funny. When people here ask me some help Im all ears...
Andre,
Here in the US, online casinos are few and far between.
But, hopefully, forum members who live in other countries that have access to online casinos can step forward and help you with the information you want.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 09, 09:09 PM 2018
I'm just asking everyone on this forum to help me build an action plan.
What the best thing to do?
Play only in a single casino and wait to be banned. (if that really happens).
Open multiple accounts in multiple casinos.
Make a deposit of 2000 in each casino.
Etc...
As i said before I asked a friend who bets on football (soccer) games. He told me that he makes withdraw of 10k, 15k, 25k of the same betting site that I play without any problem.
Opening accounts and playing at multiple online casinos may be the prudent thing to do (as opposed to playing at one specific casino).
That way, you are NOT putting all your eggs in one basket.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 09, 10:45 PM 2018
Andre,
Here in the US, online casinos are few and far between.
But, hopefully, forum members who live in other countries that have access to online casinos can step forward and help you with the information you want.
Thanks Doc
I've had some answers:
They can, but they're far more likely to do the opposite - give you reasons to keep playing. As other people have said, as long as they have no reason to think you're cheating or counting cards, they know that over the long run, they make money off of you. So the longer you play, the more likely you are to give winnings back. This is a big part of the reason casinos give comps (like free hotel rooms) to winners.
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They can but typically they won't.
There are three possibilities. Firstly, you are being lucky, in which case you leaving is the last thing they want. They want you to stay at the table until your luck changes. Secondly, you could be cheating, in which case they want to gather evidence that they can use against you to get their money back. Thirdly, you are card counting. This is not cheating, you are just playing the game well. In this case they will use pressure tactics to try and make you play a different game. A big part of card counting is persuading the casino that you are lucky not a card counter. Most counters will expect to leave the casino after doing something that strongly suggests they are counting (normally splitting a good pair).
So let's rock!
I'll open multiple accounts at multiple casinos and next month I'll start it.
My goal is make around $500 a day, 15k a month, 100k this year and go to Vegas.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 09, 09:09 PM 2018
I'm just asking everyone on this forum to help me build an action plan.
What the best thing to do?
Play only in a single casino and wait to be banned. (if that really happens).
Open multiple accounts in multiple casinos.
Make a deposit of 2000 in each casino.
Etc...
As i said before I asked a friend who bets on football (soccer) games. He told me that he makes withdraw of 10k, 15k, 25k of the same betting site that I play without any problem.
What is the name of the site he is on Andre. I need to join it if im not already a member. If theyve alllowed him to win and withdraw over 40k they are very tolerant.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 10, 12:02 AM 2018
So let's rock!
I'll open multiple accounts at multiple casinos and next month I'll start it.
My goal is make around $500 a day, 15k a month, 100k this year and go to Vegas.
Vegas july 2019 im going for 10 days.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 09, 10:50 PM 2018
Opening accounts and playing at multiple online casinos may be the prudent thing to do (as opposed to playing at one specific casino).
That way, you are NOT putting all your eggs in one basket.
Exactly Dr. I work on the idea that eventually I expect to be banned by ALL OF THEM. The only question is how much I can win and withdraw before that day comes. Thats why I dont keep more that â,¬3--400 in any one account. When they steal my money in the end the damage will be minimal.
The beauty of PATTERN BREAKER as you well know doctor. Is around 50% of your wins come on step 1. Thats why most of the time they couldnt even accuse me of using a martingale.
Ive been an entire day. Playing 5 games on 5 different sites. And they all won on step 1 of the prog.
On one site. Everytime I bet there for 8 consecutive times. I won on step 1. If the were monitoring me. They would just assume ive been lucky.
Thats what makes PB so awesome. Unlike someone who has to use a 6 to 10 step martingale to win. They will be read like a book eventually.
PB is very hard to figure out what the player is doing. When 90% plus of the games are over in 1-2 spins.
I'm waiting for BPP BPP and then watch the next two spins. If they start to repeat with BP I then bet BPB.
I'm betting against BPP BPP BPP BP forming (3 times the pattern and then the start of a fourth pattern).
@ andré
I was online casino in Belgium. I saw the followed pattern ( opposite of yours)
PBB PBB PB When I should played I had first a T then B. I would win.
My question when you played , do you play also the opposite of your pattern like me.
Second when the first outcome is a T, do you play for the second in this case B I WIN.
Have nice day and WE to.
Ludo8400
@ andré
My belgian OC has the live casino EVOLUTION gaming baccararoom with 7 tables.
One of them is a no commission baccara table.
ludo8400
RG I CALLED CHEROKEE THE MINIMUM ON THE SHOOT TO WIN BUBBLE CRAPS MACHINE IS 3 DOLLARS ON THE PASS, Dont Pass AND MAX IS 300 ON THE PASS AND DONT PASS.
Regarding the online casinos I had a guy I knew who played a bunch of Lottery on fivedimes and he won 1800 on a pick four ticket but he had to fight like hell to get his money, but five dimes did eventually pay him but he had the threaten them with a negative reviews on all of the internet chat sights and gambling forums.
They told him he was only allowed 1 payout a month and he would have to wait three weeks, of course, the idea is he would gamble it all away by the time his three weeks was done.
I have a friend Tony who is a professional craps player he lives in Vegas he wins consistently with his method and plays for about an hour then leaves he uses no players card or anything and is very low key but goes from casino to casino and never plays at the same one twice in one week.
His target is 400 to 500 dollars profit a day, well in Vegas that's chicken feed but if he went to the same casino every day they would put a stop to his little venture eventually with countermeasures.......................................you cant play every day online at the same casino and WIN all the time and expect to get paid.
Go to a brick and Mortar casino and be low key at least you know you will get paid for real.
Stuart
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 10, 03:24 AM 2018The beauty of PATTERN BREAKER as you well know doctor. Is around 50% of your wins come on step 1.
All EC bets are like that.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 10, 07:46 AM 2018
RG I CALLED CHEROKEE THE MINIMUM ON THE SHOOT TO WIN BUBBLE CRAPS MACHINE IS 3 DOLLARS ON THE PASS, Dont Pass AND MAX IS 300 ON THE PASS AND DONT PASS.
Regarding the online casinos I had a guy I knew who played a bunch of Lottery on fivedimes and he won 1800 on a pick four ticket but he had to fight like hell to get his money, but five dimes did eventually pay him but he had the threaten them with a negative reviews on all of the internet chat sights and gambling forums.
They told him he was only allowed 1 payout a month and he would have to wait three weeks, of course, the idea is he would gamble it all away by the time his three weeks was done.
I have a friend Tony who is a professional craps player he lives in Vegas he wins consistently with his method and plays for about an hour then leaves he uses no players card or anything and is very low key but goes from casino to casino and never plays at the same one twice in one week.
His target is 400 to 500 dollars profit a day, well in Vegas that's chicken feed but if he went to the same casino every day they would put a stop to his little venture eventually with countermeasures.......................................you cant play every day online at the same casino and WIN all the time and expect to get paid.
Go to a brick and Mortar casino and be low key at least you know you will get paid for real.
Stuart
Stuart,
For BM casinos (at least the ones here in the US), the key to not getting into trouble with the casinos is to avoid using a player's card.
That way, it is very difficult for them to know what exactly you are winning -- unless you win big amounts consistently, which is rare, anyway. And even then, they might watch you like a hawk, but they won't usually do anything drastic, like barring you from the casino (a prominent exception being card counting in blackjack).
The problem is that many players are enamored of getting all the comps and so they cannot get resist the temptation of using the player's card every time they play.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 09, 11:31 PM 2018
Thanks Doc
I've had some answers:
They can, but they're far more likely to do the opposite - give you reasons to keep playing. As other people have said, as long as they have no reason to think you're cheating or counting cards, they know that over the long run, they make money off of you. So the longer you play, the more likely you are to give winnings back. This is a big part of the reason casinos give comps (like free hotel rooms) to winners.
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They can but typically they won't.
There are three possibilities. Firstly, you are being lucky, in which case you leaving is the last thing they want. They want you to stay at the table until your luck changes. Secondly, you could be cheating, in which case they want to gather evidence that they can use against you to get their money back.
Thirdly, you are card counting. This is not cheating, you are just playing the game well. In this case they will use pressure tactics to try and make you play a different game. A big part of card counting is persuading the casino that you are lucky not a card counter. Most counters will expect to leave the casino after doing something that strongly suggests they are counting (normally splitting a good pair).
Card counting in blackjack is considered "cheating" by many US casinos.
On the lenient side of the scale, they might just "flat bet" you -- which means that you will not be allowed to increase your bets, even when you think that the cards remaining in the shoe favor the player.
On the stricter side of the scale, you will be escorted out of the casino (especially, if you ignore their initial warnings to stop any suspected card counting).
Card counting is regarded by casinos as
a non-factor in baccarat, so there is absolutely zilch to worry about (heck, you can brazenly use your note cards -- even the ones that the casino provides -- to keep track of which cards are still left in the shoe).
Hi Andre
I play almost exclusively online. If its any help, I would say make smaller withdrawal requests every 2-3 days, and don't keep too much balance in any site. Open accounts with as many suitable sites as possible.
Some log you out of the game if you don't place any bets after a few hands, but I suppose a way round this is to place a small bet on both P and B?
Dave
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 10, 10:00 AM 2018
Card counting in blackjack is considered "cheating" by many US casinos.
On the lenient side of the scale, they might just "flat bet" you -- which means that you will not be allowed to increase your bets, even when you think that the cards remaining in the shoe favor the player.
On the stricter side of the scale, you will be escorted out of the casino (especially, if you ignore their initial warnings to stop any suspected card counting).
Card counting is regarded by casinos as a non-factor in baccarat, so there is absolutely zilch to worry about (heck, you can brazenly use your note cards -- even the ones that the casino provides -- to keep track of which cards are still left in the shoe).
Interesting what kind on money management would you use IF betting every spin?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 10, 03:07 AM 2018
What is the name of the site he is on Andre. I need to join it if im not already a member. If theyve alllowed him to win and withdraw over 40k they are very tolerant.
Betboo
Quote from: ludo8400 on Mar 10, 06:08 AM 2018
@ andré
My belgian OC has the live casino EVOLUTION gaming baccararoom with 7 tables.
One of them is a no commission baccara table.
ludo8400
What's the site name?
Can anyone give me suggestions of trusted sites that have baccarat tables?
I'll open multiple accounts at multiple casinos.
I play at DublinBet.
Quote from: daveylibra on Mar 10, 10:18 AM 2018
Hi Andre
I play almost exclusively online. If its any help, I would say make smaller withdrawal requests every 2-3 days, and don't keep too much balance in any site. Open accounts with as many suitable sites as possible.
Some log you out of the game if you don't place any bets after a few hands, but I suppose a way round this is to place a small bet on both P and B?
Dave
Thanks for the suggestion.
I'll open multiple accounts and try to withdraw $100 a day each casino
Steve advice:
"If you are highly organized with a lot of different accounts, each with verified ID. Just milk the casino constantly until you get banned, then start a new account with a different name (you can pay others commission for using their account). There's not much casinos can do to stop you. There would be very little work to start play, so it's not like AP where you actually need to work. So it would be much easier to flip between accounts and continue - and its not like they can change the conditions on you to make you lose."
"...then just play and win, take money out until they stop you. Then just create a new account and repeat."
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 10, 06:46 PM 2018
Thanks for the suggestion.
I'll open multiple accounts and try to withdraw $100 a day each casino
$100 a day from each casino might be -- again -- pushing it.
$100 every few days (or maybe just once a week) from each casino is probably less problematic.
Don't get greedy.
Remember, in a tussle over money, online casinos have nearly all the power.
You ...... much less so.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 10, 04:08 PM 2018
Interesting what kind on money management would you use IF betting every spin?
At present, I do NOT play any bet selection method (for either craps, baccarat, or roulette) that entails betting on every roll/hand/spin.
However, if you were to bet on every roll/hand/spin, the following would be my suggested MM strategies:
Flat bet
Positive progression (either partial or total parlay; Guetting)
D' Alembert
Contra D' Alembert
Labouchere and its variants
Reverse Labouchere (the one made famous by Norman Leigh)
Fibonacci (one of my least favorite methods, but many others love it)
Gr8player progression (either the original 7 level one or a shorter version of it).Lord Martingale's famous creation does NOT make the cut. Sorry.
Quote from: cht on Mar 09, 08:12 PM 2018Each hand is 2-3 minutes.
Hi CHT,
you are right with the traditional Baccarat game where everyone sits down at the table. It is extremely slow and players get to touch and bend the cards. Its all part of the excitement. And this is what turns the favour to the casino as I see "gamblers" make rash decisions without any systemic logic. Some try to impress girlfriends with their big bets and end up with tail between legs after big losses.
But at my local B&M casino they have rapid baccarat played exactly the same way as the tables with same rules and playing all cards to the end. No CSM machine. Hands played every 30 seconds so shoe completed in 15-20 minutes. There are multiple baccarat games on the electronic tables so you can track more than one shoe. This suits the PATTERN BREAKER perfectly and you can get your 3-10 sessions in one visit. Playing for high stakes you can have a very profitable day.
I also am playing 2 shoes simultaneously on my online casino. I will start investigating others but my concern with my choices is I do not have access to the more credible online casinos that people like Sentinel are using so am reluctant handing over personal id. What I am finding though is many are accepting bitcoin as deposits. So ID is not required. But I am also skeptical about bitcoin ATM as to me it seems to be a pyramid scheme which could backfire at any moment.
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 09, 07:50 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
I'm happy the strategy is working for you!
It's been a long time since I've had a loss. It's great! I want to increase my bets to get a profit of $500.00 a day but I'm scared to be banned. That's my problem...
No, I don't use a tracker. I just watch the six tables (the boards) at the same time. Simple like that.
Today 3 games played, 3 games won.
Progression 30, 30, 90 profit $90
As I said before I want increasing the bet but I don't know what to do. There's no BM casino where I live.
PS: You right. Don't ignore the Tie. Always reset the tracking. That's the way I play. Only pure patterns repeated.
I have completed a tracker that is the update of the original BACCARAT tracker adding ANDRE's rules. I have added functionality to enter in the Tie result which breaks the pattern. This is also supported on the Original PATTERN BREAKER rules.
I have added another tab to record your results. I have shown my first two days results playing the system.
At the moment I am seeing good success with the original PATTERN BREAKER rules so I am going to play both for now. This increases my betting opportunities to 2-3 sessions per shoe. So If I limit my play to 3 games a day for a full target of $50 then I can stop after one shoe. I may use a different progression for both systems depending on how I go long term. For now I am using a 10 15 30 progression for both systems. If I find that my winning bets go up to the third often with a win then I will go all the way with 10 15 40, giving me a 10, 5 or 15 profit with a 65 risk. If most wins come in 1st and 3rd bets then I may change to Andre's play of 15 15 45 as he did originally. Then I can increase to 30 30 90 once I have substantial profit.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 10, 07:11 PM 2018
Steve advice:
"If you are highly organized with a lot of different accounts, each with verified ID. Just milk the casino constantly until you get banned, then start a new account with a different name (you can pay others commission for using their account). There's not much casinos can do to stop you. There would be very little work to start play, so it's not like AP where you actually need to work. So it would be much easier to flip between accounts and continue - and its not like they can change the conditions on you to make you lose."
"...then just play and win, take money out until they stop you. Then just create a new account and repeat."
*Be sure those multiple casinos are part of different companies.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 10, 10:00 AM 2018to keep track of which cards are still left in the shoe).
Hi DoctorSudoku,
I've actually thought about this a lot when formulating my plan to use PATTERN BREAKER on BACCARAT. If we knew exactly which cards are left or more importantly which cards are depleted or completely removed by the end of the shoe then we can use this information to determine if it is worth making the bet of the Pattern Breaker. Has anyone created a good excel or similar tracker that shows the number of each value card remaining in the shoe? I think this would be very handy to have. I know the guy from Baccarat TKO has a card counting technique he uses called the T Count. I am not sure how accurate it is though. I think we should record our observations based on our experience of what the count of cards are when we are losing and winning so we can add some rules to avoid putting on those losing bets.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 10, 06:41 PM 2018
Can anyone give me suggestions of trusted sites that have baccarat tables?
I'll open multiple accounts at multiple casinos.
I play at DublinBet.
:.fairwaycasino.com seems to be trustworthy.
As per other's comments I would not deposit more than you plan to bet for your day's sessions. Once you have made double your deposit I would withdraw it. You could place your funds in a trusted holding account like SKRILL and use it to make any deposits to fund your short term progressions. Also, as Sentinel mentioned, it would be wise to make deposits as well as withdrawals so the casino does not see the money going one way. Even if you withdraw 500 but deposit 200. This will keep you under the radar of any monitoring software. Plan to give some back occasionally. Some casinos have a tipping system which is supposed to go to the dealer but rarely does. I see people regularly tipping 5000-20000 or their currency. If this is euro or USD I could imagine they are making 10 times that much. I suspect this is to ensure they are able to withdraw their winnings. The casino can't claim they are cheating as they just have to point to the big tips they have been giving. I guess it helps them from getting banned.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 10, 08:41 PM 2018Reverse Labouchere (the one made famous by Norman Leigh)
Hi Doctor,
I just finished reading about this in the book ROULETTE: Play to win. Very clever guy using tams of players to overcome the casino's grip on you. Once a player gets tired replace him with a fresh one. You can then play your system 24x7.
This got me thinking. The next chapter of the book described the TANDEM system which enables you to do exactly the same thing as Norman Leigh did. You place a bet on both sides of the EC and use the reverse Labouchere playing two bankrolls. If there is a temporary imbalance on either side (black/red, H/L, Odd/Even or even Player/Banker) then you will be ready to capitalize. So I tried this with play money playing 1 1 1 1 starting sequence. I made 100 euro in one shoe as the imbalance began to show. The trick is though you need to have the courage to keep going with your increasing bets as you win.
I am going to give this more thought and testing with baccarat as there is no zero to lose both bets. It may just be a winner on the ocassions when Banker or play dominate for the whole shoe. It is akin to parlaying your winnings and flat betting when in long losing streak. Play both sides of the ledger and you are guaranteed to capture a long winning streak. Downside is it can be a long grind on any shoe that is even or has a lot of chop from player to banker.
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 10, 06:36 PM 2018
Betboo
Are you sure Andre? I went to check out the site. And it says its closed out of business....
Hi Andre,
Baccarat system is still going well. I will report my results after playing my first 100 games of both PB and your version. But Just want to clarify a few things on the way you are playing so we can compare notes:
For those just joining here are the rules as we know them:
1. We start tracking a shoe. For me I try to find a shoe that has recently started if not at the beginning. I enter in the results of the hands so far into my tracker.
2. If we see one of the following patterns we start betting AGAINST the pattern continuing
PBB PBB PB Bet PBP
PPB PPB PP Bet PBB
BPP BPP BP Bet BPB
BBP BBP BB Bet BPP
3. Progression is a personal choice but Andre is using 1-1-3. I am using 2-3-5or6 but still experimenting based on hit rate after 100 sessions. If I get close to 98-2 I will go full 3 progression 1-2-4 for equal gain at each step. If most wins coming on 1st step and 3rd step then I will adjust to break even on Step 2. If I start getting high loss rate then I will resort to 2 step 1-2 or virtual bet 1st step 0-1-2
4. Do not IGNORE tie results as this affects sequence of results. treat it as another unmatched pattern
5. Stop tracking at the end of the shoe and reset
Now Andre, I have some questions about the detail.
1. Do you start tracking on the next hand or do you look at the history and check for patterns from beginning of shoe or last 7 or 8 hands?
2. When you complete betting on a shoe, do you keep tracking? Or do you wait for the next shoe? I keep on tracking. Sometimes I may have multiple opportunities to bet. I also look at closing out the 7th patterns and bet on the 8th not coming up.
3. If you are in the middle of betting or about to start betting and it is the end of the shoe, do you continue looking for patterns on the next shoe or use your betting criteria to bet on the next shoe? eg if the pattern you need to bet against is BPP, and the shoe ends, do you continue betting against BPP on the next shoe or do you abandon your bet especially if you had already started betting and lost the 1st or 2nd bets?
regards,
Ricky
And one more question, it was asked before, do you ignore the Tie when in betting mode or treat is as a non match and then bet against the next in the sequence?
eg if betting against BPP , the first result is a T, is your next bet "P" or "B"?
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 11, 03:27 AM 2018he next chapter of the book described the TANDEM system
Apologies, the system I was thinking of betting for and against E/C at the same time was not the TANDEM. This was another systems.
But just to explain the method I am thinking of which was employed by Norman Leigh was the reverse Labouchere where you add your profit from last spin the the sequence on the side of the E/C that won. You then cross off the sequence that lost. What we are looking for is a temporary imbalance like a streak of the same kind. It is not suited to a choppy game where the two sides remain relatively in balance.
If anyone wants a further explanation you can look up how Norman Leigh Broke the Bank of Monte Carlo in 1966 and was banned from all French Casinos.
Cheers,
Ricky
I made up a template sheet for Pattern Breaker for Craps and Baccarat.
I included craps because I am going to Cherokee today or tomorrow I would just love to see how it does on the shoot to win craps game.
Since there is no dice control with the game but uses real dice it should play out to be a 50 50 game with no suprises lol.
I just mark with an x or a 0 on the result you get I play vertical is that ok Sentinel???
I play vertical starting on the left go all the way down then go to the right column with it being a Player or Banker Pass or Dont pass.
Stuart
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 11, 08:10 AM 2018
Apologies, the system I was thinking of betting for and against E/C at the same time was not the TANDEM. This was another systems.
But just to explain the method I am thinking of which was employed by Norman Leigh was the reverse Labouchere where you add your profit from last spin the the sequence on the side of the E/C that won. You then cross off the sequence that lost. What we are looking for is a temporary imbalance like a streak of the same kind. It is not suited to a choppy game where the two sides remain relatively in balance.
If anyone wants a further explanation you can look up how Norman Leigh Broke the Bank of Monte Carlo in 1966 and was banned from all French Casinos.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
This is the book in question:
link:s://:.amazon.com/Thirteen-Against-Bank-Roulette-Unbeatable/dp/1843440326/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1520776197&sr=8-13&keywords=norman+leigh
I have the book -- it is a delightful read.
The Reverse Labouchere method that Norman Leigh employed requires a fairly large spread between the minimum and maximum betting limits.
Usually, such large spreads are not available in BM casinos in the US.
That is a practical problem that we face (many online casinos in other countries do have the large spreads that this method requires).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 11, 09:56 AM 2018
Ricky,
This is the book in question:
link:s://:.amazon.com/Thirteen-Against-Bank-Roulette-Unbeatable/dp/1843440326/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1520776197&sr=8-13&keywords=norman+leigh
I have the book -- it is a delightful read.
The Reverse Labouchere method that Norman Leigh employed requires a fairly large spread between the minimum and maximum betting limits.
Usually, such large spreads are not available in BM casinos in the US.
That is a practical problem that we face (many online casinos in other countries do have the large spreads that this method requires).
The reverse labouchere method discussed in the above book is suitable for a group of individuals playing as a team. There is too much constant tracking of multiple EC bets required that is better done by a team.
The author supposedly had developed an alternate version that could be played by an individual playing solo. But he could not publish it before he died in the late 1980s or the early 1990s.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 10, 08:22 PM 2018
$100 a day from each casino might be -- again -- pushing it.
$100 every few days (or maybe just once a week) from each casino is probably less problematic.
Don't get greedy.
Remember, in a tussle over money, online casinos have nearly all the power.
You ...... much less so.
Good advice Dr. GREED will be manys undoing..I never take more than 25 a day off any online casino. You have to stay under the radar for as long as possible.
If im taking â,¬25 off an online casino twice a week. And someone else is taking â,¬100 everyday. Who is more likely to come under scrutiny?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 11, 10:10 AM 2018
The reverse labouchere method discussed in the above book is suitable for a group of individuals playing as a team. There is too much constant tracking of multiple EC bets required that is better done by a team.
The author supposedly had developed an alternate version that could be played by an individual playing solo. But he could not publish it before he died in the late 1980s or the early 1990s.
The only game that will give me this large spread is at my BM casin playing Rapid Roulette with a range from 1 to 10,000. This will be great for this type of system. My only concern is what controls does the casino put on these rapid roulette machines. You would hope the ball bounce is fair. The only way to play is for the opposite bets to be made on two seperate machines
Cheers,
Ricky.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 10, 06:41 PM 2018
Can anyone give me suggestions of trusted sites that have baccarat tables?
I'll open multiple accounts at multiple casinos.
I play at DublinBet.
888.com
I play there since many years, trustworthy and no problem for withdrawals
A
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 11, 01:46 AM 2018
*Be sure those multiple casinos are part of different companies.
How can I know that?
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 11, 03:12 AM 2018
:.fairwaycasino.com seems to be trustworthy.
As per other's comments I would not deposit more than you plan to bet for your day's sessions. Once you have made double your deposit I would withdraw it. You could place your funds in a trusted holding account like SKRILL and use it to make any deposits to fund your short term progressions. Also, as Sentinel mentioned, it would be wise to make deposits as well as withdrawals so the casino does not see the money going one way. Even if you withdraw 500 but deposit 200. This will keep you under the radar of any monitoring software. Plan to give some back occasionally. Some casinos have a tipping system which is supposed to go to the dealer but rarely does. I see people regularly tipping 5000-20000 or their currency. If this is euro or USD I could imagine they are making 10 times that much. I suspect this is to ensure they are able to withdraw their winnings. The casino can't claim they are cheating as they just have to point to the big tips they have been giving. I guess it helps them from getting banned.
Cheers,
Ricky
Thank you!
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 11, 03:57 AM 2018
Are you sure Andre? I went to check out the site. And it says its closed out of business....
Yes I am
I just opened an account yesterday
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 11, 07:03 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
Baccarat system is still going well. I will report my results after playing my first 100 games of both PB and your version. But Just want to clarify a few things on the way you are playing so we can compare notes:
For those just joining here are the rules as we know them:
1. We start tracking a shoe. For me I try to find a shoe that has recently started if not at the beginning. I enter in the results of the hands so far into my tracker.
Ok
2. If we see one of the following patterns we start betting AGAINST the pattern continuing
PBB PBB PB Bet PBP
PPB PPB PP Bet PBB
BPP BPP BP Bet BPB
BBP BBP BB Bet BPP
Ok
3. Progression is a personal choice but Andre is using 1-1-3. I am using 2-3-5or6 but still experimenting based on hit rate after 100 sessions. If I get close to 98-2 I will go full 3 progression 1-2-4 for equal gain at each step. If most wins coming on 1st step and 3rd step then I will adjust to break even on Step 2. If I start getting high loss rate then I will resort to 2 step 1-2 or virtual bet 1st step 0-1-2
Ok
4. Do not IGNORE tie results as this affects sequence of results. treat it as another unmatched pattern
Ok
5. Stop tracking at the end of the shoe and reset
Ok
Now Andre, I have some questions about the detail.
1. Do you start tracking on the next hand or do you look at the history and check for patterns from beginning of shoe or last 7 or 8 hands?
I look at the hystory last 7, 8 hands
2. When you complete betting on a shoe, do you keep tracking? Or do you wait for the next shoe? I keep on tracking. Sometimes I may have multiple opportunities to bet. I also look at closing out the 7th patterns and bet on the 8th not coming up.
I keep tracking
3. If you are in the middle of betting or about to start betting and it is the end of the shoe, do you continue looking for patterns on the next shoe or use your betting criteria to bet on the next shoe? eg if the pattern you need to bet against is BPP, and the shoe ends, do you continue betting against BPP on the next shoe or do you abandon your bet especially if you had already started betting and lost the 1st or 2nd bets?
I NEVER bet when is the end of the shoe. I look another table.
regards,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 11, 07:40 AM 2018
And one more question, it was asked before, do you ignore the Tie when in betting mode or treat is as a non match and then bet against the next in the sequence?
eg if betting against BPP , the first result is a T, is your next bet "P" or "B"?
cheers,
Ricky
If the tie appears I reset the game and accept the loss (if I had already put some money).
I never ignore the tie. Tracking or betting reset the game
As I said before it's a urban legend.
My friend bet sports. He withdraw 15k, 25k and never had any problem.
I've never had problems making withdraws. (More than 20k)
There are thousands of players who enter the casinos every day. When I'm at an online casino I see players betting 40k, 50k on a single bet. $100 is peanuts for casino owners.
link:s://:.google.com/amp/s/:.gamblingmetropolis.com/get-banned-online-casino/amp/#ampshare=link:s://:.gamblingmetropolis.com/get-banned-online-casino/
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 11, 09:15 PM 2018I never ignore the tie. Tracking or betting reset the game
Thats interesting Andre. So if you get a tie in the second or third bet you accept the loss but do not try to recoup your loss in the next hand. So worst case scenario with a 30 30 90 bet you are down 60 if the tie hits on the third bet. That's really sticking to your rules.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 11, 09:26 PM 2018
As I said before it's a urban legend.
My friend bet sports. He withdraw 15k, 25k and never had any problem.
I've never had problems making withdraws. (More than 20k)
There are thousands of players who enter the casinos every day. When I'm at an online casino I see players betting 40k, 50k on a single bet. $100 is peanuts for casino owners.
link:s://:.google.com/amp/s/:.gamblingmetropolis.com/get-banned-online-casino/amp/#ampshare=link:s://:.gamblingmetropolis.com/get-banned-online-casino/
Hi Andre, i carnt remember exactly were i read it but i will find it again for you.
A guy played at same online site for years, but soon as he a started withdrawing consistently they banned him from using the live wheel, live blackjack ect features... All he could use was rng or blackjack computerised.
I honestly think he found a way of beating them at blackjack. Or another sneaky way of winning at bj but he claimed he was just lucky and knew when to raise his stakes.
But yeah it can happen especially if only withdrawing regularly. It will alert them somehow.
But doubt they will just keep all you money and ban you... Bad reputation for someone winning like 0.0001% of there profits whats the point.... They will just find another way to move you on to a different site.
Cheers
I have posted on this forum much earlier about why casinos blanket ban the use of mobile device even though the device do not measure the parameters of the wheel and ball. The computer calculates dynamic probabilities with zero physical attributes of the the game.
Yet on forums, there are ignorant fools who keep harping that math and statistics can't beat the game. :xd:
Online casinos are exposed to this use of computerised math statistics so they ban you for winning in this manner.
With b&m casino, some casinos allow the use of computers until your winnings exceed their threshold surveillance.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 11, 08:54 PM 2018
How can I know that?
Google "Online Casino Groups" you should get info on which company owns which oc's
Quote from: cht on Mar 12, 12:23 AM 2018
I have posted on this forum much earlier about why casinos blanket ban the use of mobile device even though the device do not measure the parameters of the wheel and ball. The computer calculates dynamic probabilities with zero physical attributes of the the game.
Yet on forums, there are ignorant fools who keep harping that math and statistics can't beat the game. :xd:
Online casinos are exposed to this use of computerised math statistics so they ban you for winning in this manner.
With b&m casino, some casinos allow the use of computers until your winnings exceed their threshold surveillance.
Just an FYI for you.
Here at B & M casinos in the US, forget computers -- they will NOT even let you use cell phones near the roulette table.
If you use a cell phone, while standing next to the table, they will ask you to move away from the table.
That has been my experience so far in most of the 12 or so B & M casinos that I have visited.
On the other hand, you can use cell phones at airball terminals freely (I am not sure about computers, though).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 10, 08:41 PM 2018
At present, I do NOT play any bet selection method (for either craps, baccarat, or roulette) that entails betting on every roll/hand/spin.
However, if you were to bet on every roll/hand/spin, the following would be my suggested MM strategies:
Flat bet
Positive progression (either partial or total parlay; Guetting)
D' Alembert
Contra D' Alembert
Labouchere and its variants
Reverse Labouchere (the one made famous by Norman Leigh)
Fibonacci (one of my least favorite methods, but many others love it)
Gr8player progression (either the original 7 level one or a shorter version of it).
Lord Martingale's famous creation does NOT make the cut. Sorry.
After I had posted the above message, I kept thinking there was another progression method that I forgotten to add to the above list (that might be appropriate for methods that require betting continuously).
And then it dawned on me -- I had forgotten to add Oscar's Grind (and the very similar plus coup progression) to the above list.
Oscar's Grind is a quasi-positive progression that is definitely worth a try for any EC betting method (including any that requires betting continuously).
There are a lot of web sites that discuss this method, so check it out if you are not familiar with it.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 23, 08:45 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
Just look at the mechanics of Baccarat versus Roulette. I have only been playing Baccarat myself seriously since I discovered PB method. I never understood it and the rules of when a player or banker gets another card and what the significance of this rule. But without looking too much into the math I can imagine, together with the banker commission, or in some games where commission is not paid a banker 6 only pays 1:2, that the rule is there to entice the player to bet banker and force them to pay the commission or get lower odds if 6 were to hit.
But it was mentioned on this forum that when cards are shuffled at the beginning of the shoe random is "set" for the whole shoe. To my mind this means we are only dealing with random once for every bet we make. Whether we make 1 bet or 100 bets we are dealing with the same random. The cards come out exactly the same on player hand and banker hand. And the rules dictate how many cards each will get. So, unlike roulette where a random event occurs each spin and can be influenced by the dealer and change of dealer and physical obstacles that cause the ball to bounce in an unpredictable manner, baccarat should behave with less variance based on the one shuffle performed by a machine or a dealer. My preference would be to play the game where cards are manually shuffled in front of you so there are no sneaky tricks deployed to put the cards in a certain order.
So, after looking at the mechanics of the game, I think it really is worth while performing the same sort of long term analysis on Baccarat as JL has done with Roulette. And I think this is what I am going to do to determine if I continue using PB on roulette or switch my preference to Baccarat.
For the record, I am also testing BP at my BM casino with $5 base bets on all the E/C games - SicB, Roulette, Baccarat playing 1 game of each on every visit. The exception is craps which I never really understood. So far I have NOT lost at any of these games playing PB. I am sure this will change as it has on my baccarat play on online casino but in all history of gambling I have never had such an incredible run of luck which actually is increasing my bankroll. I could never sustain winning more than $1000 before temptation got the better of me and I just handed it back to the casino, sometimes in one sitting.
I am on a mission to change my fortune and can now see myself joining many of you in winning $1,000s without giving any large percentage of it back. And that's why I am sticking with PB because I believe with it I will meet my goal. What I have done is set myself a challenge. Get to 100K starting at $1000. If you have been following my posts I initially was going to use fun money on a bot to play the system continuously and turn 1K to 100K to prove it works. But I came to realize you cannot expose yourself to random continuously and expect not to get struck more often that you would like. Playing sparingly max 10 times per day for higher value units is a quicker, "safer" way to get to the same goal with higher degree of success. So now I am using real money starting at $200 and set myself 10 challenges to get to $100K. I have met my first challenge turning $200 to $500. Now I have nine more challenges to go. I want to achieve this in the next 6-12 months. Even if I can complete 3-4 of these challenges I will be extremely happy. But would it be a story to claim that you can make $100K from $200 with disciplined play and patience using the best method I have ever come across in PATTERN BREAKER. This would seal my retirement for full time employment and prove anyone can achieve this rather than allowing the casinos to make billions of the impatience and lack of discipline from swarm of gamblers. $20 here $100 there people don't see it but the casinos do in their bottom line profits.
Cheers,
Ricky
In case anyone is interested in my progress on my challenge to turn $200 into $100,000 here is an update. I am currently taking a two pronged attack on this challenge. I am maintaining 2 bankrolls, one for my BM visits which started with $200. It has now grown since 30/1 to $650 (see attachment on what this looks like). I am just playing exclusively PB on roulette and Baccarat and for the fun of it SicBo. I also attached a record of today's play including SicBo. I have just returned from an overseas trip so have not extended this bankroll until today. It was only $35 but I was happy with that as I was still tired from the trip and was trying PB on the normal roulette wheels, tracking 3 tables simultaneously. I usually play on Rapid Roulette which gets quicker results. I played two games of Sic Bo with a 5 5 15 progression and won both games, although one was break even as it won on the 2nd step. So had a $5 win. That's 4 games I have now won on SicBo using PB method. No losses so far.
The other bankroll I have is for the Online Casino I am using. Unfortunately, that bankroll is in the red to the tune of 200 euro but up from 300 euro in the red. I temporarily went into gambling mode trying an idea playing with my real money and lost 100 euro in one session. Fortunately, I took a break for a day and deposited another 150 euro and played disciplined PB (original and Andre version) on Baccarat and recouped 100 euro. I have now requested a withdrawal of the 150 euro. I'll keep you posted when that transaction completes. This will confirm if I have been blacklisted for playing a system even though they still have quite a bit of my capital.
Now with my BM bankroll it is slowly growing and I'll post another photo of the Cash once it grows to $1,000. I am enjoying this positive direction and hoping it will continue with DISCIPLINED play and PATIENCE.
While I was at the Casino I witnessed some very interesting experiences. One Asian gentleman placed a light blue chip on High and was waiting to be paid after 23R hit. Now this chip was bigger than the others which go from $5(red) to $25(green) to $100(black). I quickly realized this was a $1,000 chip. Oh My lord I thought to myself and looked at the gentleman with a big smile. There were two other black chips on High and 2nd Dozen. I asked him if they were his also. He indicated they were his friend's. He had just won $1,000 on a $5 table with a $1000 max on outside bets. I was jealous that I did not have the "gamblers" hat on and put that same bet down. But I thought to myself, one day, when my Fighting Fund has grown to 40 times my base bet of $1,000 I will be able to go up to the high roller rooms and confidently put on that same bet based on the PATTERN BREAKER system. And WHEN I win the bet I will get to experience the same pleasure as the Asian gentleman was feeling at that moment. I congratulated him and wished him well for the night, hoping he was smart enough to pocket his winnings and not gamble it away trying to win more.
Another thing I experienced was the dealer's "footprint" as they spin the wheel continuously in a rhythm. The same number kept coming up or its near neighbor. 14,14,9 and 24,24,10 and 25,21,2, 2 . This strategy of placing bets around the recently spun numbers on the wheel can really pay dividends if you use the right progression.
And one last thing I witnessed was a winning number with a big pile of chips placed on it from one gambler spreading his chips around the table. He too was rewarded with a big pile of colored chips he was playing with PLUS a light blue chip ($1000). Gamblers luck. It makes you really envious of them and makes you want to do the same but those days are gone for me as I remain PATIENT and DISCIPLINED happy to walk away with another $35 for my Fighting Fund. A small Acorn which will contribute in the future to my OAK TREE that I will use to fund my retirement.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 11, 09:56 AM 2018
Ricky,
This is the book in question:
link:s://:.amazon.com/Thirteen-Against-Bank-Roulette-Unbeatable/dp/1843440326/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1520776197&sr=8-13&keywords=norman+leigh
I have the book -- it is a delightful read.
The Reverse Labouchere method that Norman Leigh employed requires a fairly large spread between the minimum and maximum betting limits.
Usually, such large spreads are not available in BM casinos in the US.
That is a practical problem that we face (many online casinos in other countries do have the large spreads that this method requires).
Hi Doctor,
this story of Norman Leigh gives me an idea. Wouldn't it be cool once Sentinel and others, maybe myself included, are ready to become the next Legendary folk that "Break the Bank" that we do it in style as Norman Leigh did. We can team up in groups of 6 each tracking a table at a Vegas Casino with high stakes tables and then we can give each the signal when a table has closed out its 7th Pattern. We then all surround the table and place large bets on the last sequence with base bets nearing the table limits enough to get our 3 step sequence in. Or alternatively, we can play as a team and place the table limit. If we lose we get two members to each place the table limit and then again on the third step 4 player can each place the table limit. Given the system should win more times than it loses we should be able to clean out the chips on that table in short order and possibly force it to close down. Imagine doing this with a team of 20 or so players playing in shifts 24 hours a day. PATTERN BREAKER will certainly show its strength. Sentinel could then go on to write his book and share the story with the world.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi guys
Im having great daily profit playing PB variation baccarat and using another strategy playing Roulette. At the moment my only job is betting. I think I dont need a normal dayjob.
Today profit 270,00
I hope they don't stop me.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 12, 06:47 PM 2018
Hi guys
Im having great daily profit playing PB variation baccarat and using another strategy playing Roulette. At the moment my only job is betting. I think I dont need a normal dayjob.
Today profit 270,00
I hope they don't stop me.
Hi Andre,
Isn't it great. What I am finding though is I have been deploying 1-1-3 progression but getting a lot of wins on step 2 so not progressing with bankroll. are you experiencing the same. When this happens I sometimes resort to 1-2-3 to get break even on 3rd step.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 12, 07:22 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
Isn't it great. What I am finding though is I have been deploying 1-1-3 progression but getting a lot of wins on step 2 so not progressing with bankroll. are you experiencing the same. When this happens I sometimes resort to 1-2-3 to get break even on 3rd step.
Cheers,
Ricky
Since I have started playing seriously online I am now 22 wins 0 Losses. Attached is my current record. Getting a lot of wins on 2nd bet so net is zero profit with 1-1-2 progression. Have started using 1-2-3 progression and may switch to a d'Alembert using up on loss down on win to guarantee profit moving forward. Also added tab "PB BETTING BETTING PROGRESSION" to show a LADDER I will be using as my profits grow. I am starting at 5 euro and after 10 winning sessions I will increase to next level to a maximum of 40 euro. I will start using my profits to increase bets. Each time I win at the current LEVEL I mark off the game. If I break even I do not mark off. If I lose I will start deploying a recovery by going up 1 level for two bets until recover most of my loss. Hopefully I can get to the TOP of the ladder without losing my bankroll and/or profits and make the 750 euro goal before starting again.
The other tabs are:
PB BACCARAT TRACKER/ PB BACCARAT TRACKER2: Tracking 2 tables of Baccarat with PB and PB ANDRE version. I am betting on both.
Game Records: History of my games
GAMING RECORD TEMPLATE: Template I use for BM casino to record my session. Based on book ROULETTE Play to Win
PB BETTING BETTING PROGRESSION: Betting Progression I am starting to use with Positive Progression strategy to increase bets on winning streak.
I will update after 100 games played. Hope you find it useful
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 12, 07:22 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
Isn't it great. What I am finding though is I have been deploying 1-1-3 progression but getting a lot of wins on step 2 so not progressing with bankroll. are you experiencing the same. When this happens I sometimes resort to 1-2-3 to get break even on 3rd step.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
I have noticed for quite a while now that well over 80% of the wins come on the first two spins.
And that is why I decided to move away from the 1 2 2 progression (that I was using for nearly two years ) to my now preferred 1 2 progression (I have been using it profitably for both roulette and baccarat for the last six months).
In fact, I wish I had made the switch much earlier.
Well, I guess, better late than never !
dr. you have been playing this for years successfully on only the first two bet using 1 2?
I am about ready to jump in
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 09:45 PM 2018
dr. you have been playing this for years successfully on only the first two bet using 1 2?
I am about ready to jump in
Rich,
I started playing PB (with my tweaks) in September, 2015 (only at airball machines).
To tell you the truth, I was very surprised that PB seemed to work. I used the 1 2 2 progression from the start.
So for nearly two years, I used that progression -- and it was holding up pretty well.
Then, as I mentioned before, I noticed that over 80% of the wins were coming on the first two wins.
That is why I switched to the 1 2 progression about six months ago.
Please do keep in mind that because I am now skipping the third bet, my strike rate has -- understandably -- gone down.
But on the positive side, I now only lose 3 units per losing session (as opposed to 5 units with the 1 2 2) and that is much easier to recoup.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 12, 10:02 PM 2018
Rich,
I started playing PB (with my tweaks) in September, 2015 (only at airball machines).
To tell you the truth, I was very surprised that PB seemed to work. I used the 1 2 2 progression from the start.
So for nearly two years, I used that progression -- and it was holding up pretty well.
Then, as I mentioned before, I noticed that over 80% of the wins were coming on the first two wins.
That is why I switched to the 1 2 progression about six months ago.
Please do keep in mind that because I am now skipping the third bet, my strike rate has -- understandably -- gone down.
But on the positive side, I now only lose 3 units per losing session (as opposed to 5 units with the 1 2 2) and that is much easier to recoup.
Rich,
Another thing that I should have mentioned in my previous message:
I only play
4 games of PB at roulette and only
2 games of PB at baccarat per casino visit (my average casino visit lasts about six hours and I can go there only on certain weekends).
I wish I could do the reverse -- my ideal would be 2 games at roulette and 4 games at baccarat. But I cannot do that because the baccarat tables are always crowded (sometimes I cannot get a seat even at 2:00 AM !).
Warning: If you play PB continuously -- one game after another -- while you are at the casino, YOU WILL LOSE.
So please play 2-4 games per casino visit -- NOT MORE.
good to know, thank you
are you still playing airball? if so that makes me feel better that is all i have here
is the baccarat real dealer?
are you playing with the PB tweak on all EC?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 12, 10:29 PM 2018
good to know, thank you
are you still playing airball? if so that makes me feel better that is all i have here
is the baccarat real dealer?
are you playing with the PB tweak on all EC?
Yes, I play airball only. It is very difficult to play PB at table roulette because of all the tracking required.
Yes, I play PB for all three ECs (but NOT the way JL tracks them).
For my first game, I track the R/B only. Then for the next game, I go for the O/E.
Then I do not use PB for the next 2 hours or so.
For the third game, I target, the H/L. And for the fourth game, I go back to the R/B.
So basically, I start out with R/B, then go for the O/E for the next game.
Then I take a 1 or 2 hour break (play other methods).
Then target the H/L and after that the R/B again for one last game.
Baccarat is also live dealer.
You play PB continuously, you will most likely lose.PB will only work if you play it on a
hit and run basis -- and on top of that, you have to play it
sparingly.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 11, 08:57 PM 2018
Yes I am
I just opened an account yesterday
Can you give me the exact details of how to find this site Andre please.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 12, 10:37 AM 2018
Another thing I experienced was the dealer's "footprint" as they spin the wheel continuously in a rhythm. The same number kept coming up or its near neighbor. 14,14,9 and 24,24,10 and 25,21,2, 2 . This strategy of placing bets around the recently spun numbers on the wheel can really pay dividends if you use the right progression.
Cheers,
Ricky
Dealer's signature is definitely one of the more effective bet selection strategies out there.
When you can spot one, and assuming it continues for a few more spins after you start betting, it can give a good bump to your bank roll in short order.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 12, 09:41 PM 2018
Ricky,
I have noticed for quite a while now that well over 80% of the wins come on the first two spins.
And that is why I decided to move away from the 1 2 2 progression (that I was using for nearly two years ) to my now preferred 1 2 progression (I have been using it profitably for both roulette and baccarat for the last six months).
In fact, I wish I had made the switch much earlier.
Well, I guess, better late than never !
Hi Doctor,
I have an idea to get the best of both progressions. My concern with stopping at 2 has always been that you are ending up with a 1 in 4 chance of losing instead of a 1 in 8 and not betting on the third step you risk missing out on a possible win.
Now what if we gave the casino the benefit of the first step as a virtual bet and dependent on the result we bet the next two steps either FOR or AGAINST the 8th pattern forming. Early on in the PATTERN BREAKER thread there was discussion whether you have just as much luck betting for the last pattern as against the last pattern forming. This would imply that the last pattern did not form or form in its entirety. ie one step of the three steps matched our selection. So why not add some randomness in the way we decide to bet by using the result of the first bet as a trigger FOR or AGAINST.
I propose the following rule when the last pattern remains:
1. Do a Virtual Bet of 0 on the first bet. ie do not bet.
2. IF the result of the virtual bet was a WIN AGAINST the 8th pattern forming on the first step then bet the next two steps AGAINST the rest of the 8th pattern forming. This would mean the casino must MATCH the next two steps of the 8th pattern even though it was not able to match the first step.
3. IF the result of the virtual bet was a LOSS AGAINST the 8th pattern forming on the first step then bet the next two steps FOR the 8th pattern forming. The logic here is we saved a loss on the first step by not betting. So if we were betting AGAINST the pattern then we would have lost the first and, if we continued betting against the pattern, the next two spins could also match the 8th pattern and we would risk losing all 3 steps. So why not follow the trend of the first step and start betting FOR one of the next two spins matching. This would save us if we would otherwise have lost the three steps.
What I like about the above rule is we get to see what the result is and are not left feeling that we should have bet all three steps. We will truly know if we would have won or not. It will also create a little bit of a random situation dictated by random itself. So the only way for random to beat us in this 2 step bet is to choose correctly in resulting in the opposite of this situation
To give a concrete example lets say the last pattern is
PPB for baccarat or
LLHfor roulette
We wait for the result of the next spin or hand
Scenario 1 : Result is
P or L (8th pattern starting to match) our next two bets will be
PB or LH. The only way we can lose is for
PBP or LHL resulting
Scenario 2: Result is
B or H (8th pattern NOT starting to match) our next two bets will be
BP or HL. The only way we can lose is for
BPB or HLH resulting.
So for Scenario 1 if we started betting immediately and the 8th pattern did start to form in first two steps but not make it to the 3rd step then we would rue the fact we did not see it through to the end. I know its only 3 units to recover but we are in effect not trusting our strategy enough to take it to the end. This is the whole point of PATTERN BREAKER. We should TRUST in the idea that we want to challenge the casino to the end and not "chicken out" and give the win unnecessarily to the casino.
In Scenario 2 we are not taking advantage of the immediate win but we are still challenging the casino to correct itself and get the next two steps to match the remaining pattern of the 8th. So we are still challenging the casino to overcome the random selection. If we still lose then we give it to the casino but have only lost in 2 steps and still only need to recover 3 units.
I would be interested to hear what others think of this idea. Are we still playing to the true idea of PATTERN BREAKER by creating this additional dynamic challenge for Mr Random to jump over?
I think I may try this for a while and see if my WIN rate still remains high but with the advantage of gaining profit with every win while minimizing my loss.
Cheers.
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 13, 08:06 AM 2018
Hi Doctor,
I have an idea to get the best of both progressions. My concern with stopping at 2 has always been that you are ending up with a 1 in 4 chance of losing instead of a 1 in 8 and not betting on the third step you risk missing out on a possible win.
Now what if we gave the casino the benefit of the first step as a virtual bet and dependent on the result we bet the next two steps either FOR or AGAINST the 8th pattern forming. Early on in the PATTERN BREAKER thread there was discussion whether you have just as much luck betting for the last pattern as against the last pattern forming. This would imply that the last pattern did not form or form in its entirety. ie one step of the three steps matched our selection. So why not add some randomness in the way we decide to bet by using the result of the first bet as a trigger FOR or AGAINST.
I propose the following rule when the last pattern remains:
1. Do a Virtual Bet of 0 on the first bet. ie do not bet.
2. IF the result of the virtual bet was a WIN AGAINST the 8th pattern forming on the first step then bet the next two steps AGAINST the rest of the 8th pattern forming. This would mean the casino must MATCH the next two steps of the 8th pattern even though it was not able to match the first step.
3. IF the result of the virtual bet was a LOSS AGAINST the 8th pattern forming on the first step then bet the next two steps FOR the 8th pattern forming. The logic here is we saved a loss on the first step by not betting. So if we were betting AGAINST the pattern then we would have lost the first and, if we continued betting against the pattern, the next two spins could also match the 8th pattern and we would risk losing all 3 steps. So why not follow the trend of the first step and start betting FOR one of the next two spins matching. This would save us if we would otherwise have lost the three steps.
What I like about the above rule is we get to see what the result is and are not left feeling that we should have bet all three steps. We will truly know if we would have won or not. It will also create a little bit of a random situation dictated by random itself. So the only way for random to beat us in this 2 step bet is to choose correctly in resulting in the opposite of this situation
To give a concrete example lets say the last pattern is PPB for baccarat or LLHfor roulette
We wait for the result of the next spin or hand
Scenario 1 : Result is P or L (8th pattern starting to match) our next two bets will be PB or LH. The only way we can lose is for PBP or LHL resulting
Scenario 2: Result is B or H (8th pattern NOT starting to match) our next two bets will be BP or HL. The only way we can lose is for BPB or HLH resulting.
So for Scenario 1 if we started betting immediately and the 8th pattern did start to form in first two steps but not make it to the 3rd step then we would rue the fact we did not see it through to the end. I know its only 3 units to recover but we are in effect not trusting our strategy enough to take it to the end. This is the whole point of PATTERN BREAKER. We should TRUST in the idea that we want to challenge the casino to the end and not "chicken out" and give the win unnecessarily to the casino.
In Scenario 2 we are not taking advantage of the immediate win but we are still challenging the casino to correct itself and get the next two steps to match the remaining pattern of the 8th. So we are still challenging the casino to overcome the random selection. If we still lose then we give it to the casino but have only lost in 2 steps and still only need to recover 3 units.
I would be interested to hear what others think of this idea. Are we still playing to the true idea of PATTERN BREAKER by creating this additional dynamic challenge for Mr Random to jump over?
I think I may try this for a while and see if my WIN rate still remains high but with the advantage of gaining profit with every win while minimizing my loss.
Cheers.
Ricky
Ricky,
This is truly a gem of a post !
I am definitely going to paper test this one -- thanks for sharing this wonderful idea with us.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 12, 11:20 PM 2018You play PB continuously, you will most likely lose.
Hi Doctor,
you are correct, but with good money management you can handle the losses especially with the 2 step variation.
The good thing about my casino is they have Rapid Baccarat, but I have noticed the Banker bet pays 1:1 but if it wins with a 6 then it pays a dismal 1:2 meaning you only win 1.5 times your bet not 2 times.
In regards to tracking the real tables I find manageable to track multiple tables. I tracked 3 tables on the weekend for all 3 E/C bets at the same time to find the table and E/C to bet on. I use a different player card they freely provide you to record the patterns. I make sure I write doen both the number plus the color R or B so I can keep track of what numbers on the history board have come out. I have a pattern chart for each E/C pattern and cross them off for each table as they come out. I then know when one is remaining.
Cheers,
Ricky
I found this today by Ellis Davis who is one of the best Baccarat players in the US and just wanted to share it, this guy wins all the time not because he is lucky but because he is skilled.
THE AMATEUR GAMBLER VS THE TRAINED PROFESSIONAL PLAYER:
My purpose is to let prospective students know what they are in for â€" what they need to learn â€" to make an enlightened judgment whether or not they want to undertake this money making the opportunity of Baccarat.
Let’s take the amateur first:
More than 99% of players are amateurs. They see Baccarat as a form of gambling. Typically, they walk into a casino, sit at the first open seat they find at a table in the denomination they prefer. From there they guess based on the shoe history right there on the tote board. There is little or no reason for the amount of their bets except that if they are behind, they tend to bet bigger to catch up. Amateurs pay close attention to how the other players are betting. Since they are all doing the same thing, they are all often betting on the same side.
Amateurs have no clue that guessers only win 43% of their hands on average.
But the casinos know this full well! Therefore casinos purposely design shoes to thwart guesses. They see that as their job. Obviously casinos are VERY good at their job. They win at seemingly impossible rates in a 50/50 game.
Look, if the game were, in fact, random, players would win half the hands and lose half the hands. That’s simple math. In that case there would be no Baccarat.
Why do I call Baccarat a 50/50 game? After play 1, every hand is either an Opposite or a Repeat. An Opposite is when the opposite side wins relative to the last play. A Repeat is when the same side wins again â€" it repeats. The odds of an Opposite or a Repeat are exactly 50/50 on average â€" Pure mathematical fact.
So Ellis, are you saying that if we simply flipped a coin, we would win half the hands instead of only 43%?
Yes, exactly, on average, in the long run â€" while guessers (99%+ of all players) only win 43% of the hands â€" much to the casino’s delight. Flipping a coin would already drastically improve your game BUT it would not achieve our purpose.
In Baccarat our purpose is to win MORE than half the hands. The table odds already get us to 50%. Training can get you to 55 â€" 57%.
That doesn’t sound like much Ellis??? No, and it isn’t. But several of my students have won over a million dollars with only a 55 â€" 57% hit rate.
And BTW, you should always record your hit rate each shoe because what you track you usually improves.
Units won per shoe is another thing the Pro tracks as well as PA â€" (Player Advantage â€" units won / units bet.)
My best trained players achieve a double digit PA â€" 10% or more. To put that in perspective, the very best BJ card counters only achieve a 1/2% PA. Hell, we tip more than that! PA is the best measurement of performance there is.
So a blogger, trying to prove me a fraud a couple years back, challenged me to play Atlantic City with him watching. I played 6 full shoes at 2 different AC casinos to an overall 26% PA â€" probably a world record for 6 shoes. Ha, he began following my bets with bets of his own but with $25 chips and made $1500 dollars of his own. He blogged later that I was a “gifted†player. I’m not a “gifted†player! I’m simply a skilled player. And when I teach you, I teach you EVERYTHING I know. I leave nothing out. I keep no secrets.
What you need to learn to win at Baccarat:
First, you need to STOP looking at the game as gambling. You need to look at it professionally as a search for opportunity. You need to see the game through the eyes of a Pro.
You no longer walk into a casino and sit at any table and guess:
1.) You learn tote board reading â€" how to find the easiest table to beat.
2.) How to use your SAP count to determine the best system to play.
3.) How to play each of 6 systems.
4.) How to bet in accordance with the quality of the game you found.
5.) Practice, practice, practice.
I’ve played tens of thousands of games in the casino over the last 30 years. BUT, I’ve played even more games at home â€" practicing.
But Ellis, it’s easy to play a shoe after you have seen it.
When I play shoes for you to study, the SAP count determines the system I play within the first few hands. I simply play that already established system by its exact rules. I’m not guessing. I’m following a system precisely. Once I establish the system, I simply follow the rules come what may. I NEVER guess.
I have a solid reason for each and every bet. I seldom switch systems â€" perhaps 1 shoe in 10. Then I follow our cash mgt rules to determine where to quit. The progression I play is based on my hit rate in the shoe at hand. THAT is how to play Baccarat professionally. That is what you must learn.
Next, I’ll be showing you some shoes how an amateur plays them vs how a trained Pro plays them.
Just a word here about flat betting: THAT is what you do BEFORE you learn how to play. Show me a shoe you win 5 units flat betting and I’ll win +20 in the same shoe or even better by selecting the best progression. We are not there to fool around â€" We are there to get the money!
To be continued…
Playing only a 1 2 progression on the first two bets is an idea I’ve entertained before and really like
After all if you can’t risk 3 units this may not be the game for you LOL
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 13, 08:24 AM 2018
Ricky,
This is truly a gem of a post !
I am definitely going to paper test this one -- thanks for sharing this wonderful idea with us.
Only two games but it worked for me so far. Looking good. Last patterns were BBB and BPP respectively.
On the first game I would have won on the first bet with a P but decided to skip. So then I continued betting AGAINST the pattern with another P and won as the first two results were PP.
A similar scenario occurred in the next game with P resulting on first step which I did not bet and then I started betting with a B to continue the opposite of the last pattern. I also won this with the result of the first 2 steps being PB.
So in both games random was choosing the complete opposite of the first two steps. This is good for this variation using a two step progression or I would like to say a 3 step 0-1-2 progression where you continue betting after the 0 bet.
The alternative to this rule would be NOT to bet if the first step was a WIN for the 0 bet. This would be like a non result and would also be positive for our bankroll
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 13, 09:06 AM 2018
I found this today by Ellis Davis who is one of the best Baccarat players in the US and just wanted to share it, this guy wins all the time not because he is lucky but because he is skilled.
THE AMATEUR GAMBLER VS THE TRAINED PROFESSIONAL PLAYER:
My purpose is to let prospective students know what they are in for â€" what they need to learn â€" to make an enlightened judgment whether or not they want to undertake this money making the opportunity of Baccarat.
Let’s take the amateur first:
More than 99% of players are amateurs. They see Baccarat as a form of gambling. Typically, they walk into a casino, sit at the first open seat they find at a table in the denomination they prefer. From there they guess based on the shoe history right there on the tote board. There is little or no reason for the amount of their bets except that if they are behind, they tend to bet bigger to catch up. Amateurs pay close attention to how the other players are betting. Since they are all doing the same thing, they are all often betting on the same side.
Amateurs have no clue that guessers only win 43% of their hands on average.
But the casinos know this full well! Therefore casinos purposely design shoes to thwart guesses. They see that as their job. Obviously casinos are VERY good at their job. They win at seemingly impossible rates in a 50/50 game.
Look, if the game were, in fact, random, players would win half the hands and lose half the hands. That’s simple math. In that case there would be no Baccarat.
Why do I call Baccarat a 50/50 game? After play 1, every hand is either an Opposite or a Repeat. An Opposite is when the opposite side wins relative to the last play. A Repeat is when the same side wins again â€" it repeats. The odds of an Opposite or a Repeat are exactly 50/50 on average â€" Pure mathematical fact.
So Ellis, are you saying that if we simply flipped a coin, we would win half the hands instead of only 43%?
Yes, exactly, on average, in the long run â€" while guessers (99%+ of all players) only win 43% of the hands â€" much to the casino’s delight. Flipping a coin would already drastically improve your game BUT it would not achieve our purpose.
In Baccarat our purpose is to win MORE than half the hands. The table odds already get us to 50%. Training can get you to 55 â€" 57%.
That doesn’t sound like much Ellis??? No, and it isn’t. But several of my students have won over a million dollars with only a 55 â€" 57% hit rate.
And BTW, you should always record your hit rate each shoe because what you track you usually improves.
Units won per shoe is another thing the Pro tracks as well as PA â€" (Player Advantage â€" units won / units bet.)
My best trained players achieve a double digit PA â€" 10% or more. To put that in perspective, the very best BJ card counters only achieve a 1/2% PA. Hell, we tip more than that! PA is the best measurement of performance there is.
So a blogger, trying to prove me a fraud a couple years back, challenged me to play Atlantic City with him watching. I played 6 full shoes at 2 different AC casinos to an overall 26% PA â€" probably a world record for 6 shoes. Ha, he began following my bets with bets of his own but with $25 chips and made $1500 dollars of his own. He blogged later that I was a “gifted†player. I’m not a “gifted†player! I’m simply a skilled player. And when I teach you, I teach you EVERYTHING I know. I leave nothing out. I keep no secrets.
What you need to learn to win at Baccarat:
First, you need to STOP looking at the game as gambling. You need to look at it professionally as a search for opportunity. You need to see the game through the eyes of a Pro.
You no longer walk into a casino and sit at any table and guess:
1.) You learn tote board reading â€" how to find the easiest table to beat.
2.) How to use your SAP count to determine the best system to play.
3.) How to play each of 6 systems.
4.) How to bet in accordance with the quality of the game you found.
5.) Practice, practice, practice.
I’ve played tens of thousands of games in the casino over the last 30 years. BUT, I’ve played even more games at home â€" practicing.
But Ellis, it’s easy to play a shoe after you have seen it.
When I play shoes for you to study, the SAP count determines the system I play within the first few hands. I simply play that already established system by its exact rules. I’m not guessing. I’m following a system precisely. Once I establish the system, I simply follow the rules come what may. I NEVER guess.
I have a solid reason for each and every bet. I seldom switch systems â€" perhaps 1 shoe in 10. Then I follow our cash mgt rules to determine where to quit. The progression I play is based on my hit rate in the shoe at hand. THAT is how to play Baccarat professionally. That is what you must learn.
Next, I’ll be showing you some shoes how an amateur plays them vs how a trained Pro plays them.
Just a word here about flat betting: THAT is what you do BEFORE you learn how to play. Show me a shoe you win 5 units flat betting and I’ll win +20 in the same shoe or even better by selecting the best progression. We are not there to fool around â€" We are there to get the money!
To be continued…
This guy is obviously selling a system and sounds to me very like Jay from Baccarat TKO.
But everything he is saying is more complicated than PATTERN BREAKER. He has a different system (6 in fact) based on what the tendencies of the recent history are. We have ONE system (or two if you play Andre's version) based on the history and so far my hit rate is 100% after 24 games straight. We are continuosly experiencing these phenominal winning streaks. We are not getting back to back losses if at all. We are not getting 50/50 win loss ratio. not even 60/40. We are getting 90/10 or 99/1 or better. I think we can woop this guy in six shoes playing with $1000 base bets.
Be thankful you are part of this forum. We will go down in history, mark my words.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 13, 10:01 AM 2018
This guy is obviously selling a system and sounds to me very like Jay from Baccarat TKO.
But everything he is saying is more complicated than PATTERN BREAKER. He has a different system (6 in fact) based on what the tendencies of the recent history are. We have ONE system (or two if you play Andre's version) based on the history and so far my hit rate is 100% after 24 games straight. We are continuously experiencing these phenominal winning streaks. We are not getting back to back losses if at all. We are not getting 50/50 win loss ratio. not even 60/40. We are getting 90/10 or 99/1 or better. I think we can woop this guy in six shoes playing with $1000 base bets.
Be thankful you are part of this forum. We will go down in history, mark my words.
Cheers,
Ricky
OK I have updated the speadsheet to better define the Positive Progression with 2 step negative progression I will deploy. If I get to LEVEL 4 without a double loss in 40 games I will have made 750 dollars. I have already shown I can win 24 or 24 games in a row in 4 days so I think this progression and staking level is doable. To meet my challenge of turning $200 into $100K I will need to repeat this 133 times. But realistically, once I have made $2K I will be able to increase my levels to $100+ bets. This will accelerate my profit. But lets remain conservative for now and see if we can sustain a high winning rate with minimal risk and build our Fighting Fund up to a sustainable level.
Interested in anyone else who has any ideas on how to create a positive progression level to maximize long winning streaks.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 12, 07:22 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
Isn't it great. What I am finding though is I have been deploying 1-1-3 progression but getting a lot of wins on step 2 so not progressing with bankroll. are you experiencing the same. When this happens I sometimes resort to 1-2-3 to get break even on 3rd step.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
I'm testing different progressions.
BPP BPP BP I bet BPB
B (the four step)
I've never see a pattern forming for four times. So sometimes I bet a four step progression.
1-1-3-6 and I NEVER lose!
My bankroll is growing up like a hell
Cheers
PS: I only bet two patterns
BPP or PBB
I'm not betting BBP and PPB because I realized it doesn't work.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 13, 02:48 AM 2018
Can you give me the exact details of how to find this site Andre please.
Sentinel3
I think it's not available in some countries.
You google Betboo enter the site and open an account.
What's happening when you try for it?
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 13, 09:06 AM 2018
I found this today by Ellis Davis who is one of the best Baccarat players in the US and just wanted to share it, this guy wins all the time not because he is lucky but because he is skilled.
THE AMATEUR GAMBLER VS THE TRAINED PROFESSIONAL PLAYER:
My purpose is to let prospective students know what they are in for â€" what they need to learn â€" to make an enlightened judgment whether or not they want to undertake this money making the opportunity of Baccarat.
Let’s take the amateur first:
More than 99% of players are amateurs. They see Baccarat as a form of gambling. Typically, they walk into a casino, sit at the first open seat they find at a table in the denomination they prefer. From there they guess based on the shoe history right there on the tote board. There is little or no reason for the amount of their bets except that if they are behind, they tend to bet bigger to catch up. Amateurs pay close attention to how the other players are betting. Since they are all doing the same thing, they are all often betting on the same side.
Amateurs have no clue that guessers only win 43% of their hands on average.
But the casinos know this full well! Therefore casinos purposely design shoes to thwart guesses. They see that as their job. Obviously casinos are VERY good at their job. They win at seemingly impossible rates in a 50/50 game.
Look, if the game were, in fact, random, players would win half the hands and lose half the hands. That’s simple math. In that case there would be no Baccarat.
Why do I call Baccarat a 50/50 game? After play 1, every hand is either an Opposite or a Repeat. An Opposite is when the opposite side wins relative to the last play. A Repeat is when the same side wins again â€" it repeats. The odds of an Opposite or a Repeat are exactly 50/50 on average â€" Pure mathematical fact.
So Ellis, are you saying that if we simply flipped a coin, we would win half the hands instead of only 43%?
Yes, exactly, on average, in the long run â€" while guessers (99%+ of all players) only win 43% of the hands â€" much to the casino’s delight. Flipping a coin would already drastically improve your game BUT it would not achieve our purpose.
In Baccarat our purpose is to win MORE than half the hands. The table odds already get us to 50%. Training can get you to 55 â€" 57%.
That doesn’t sound like much Ellis??? No, and it isn’t. But several of my students have won over a million dollars with only a 55 â€" 57% hit rate.
And BTW, you should always record your hit rate each shoe because what you track you usually improves.
Units won per shoe is another thing the Pro tracks as well as PA â€" (Player Advantage â€" units won / units bet.)
My best trained players achieve a double digit PA â€" 10% or more. To put that in perspective, the very best BJ card counters only achieve a 1/2% PA. Hell, we tip more than that! PA is the best measurement of performance there is.
So a blogger, trying to prove me a fraud a couple years back, challenged me to play Atlantic City with him watching. I played 6 full shoes at 2 different AC casinos to an overall 26% PA â€" probably a world record for 6 shoes. Ha, he began following my bets with bets of his own but with $25 chips and made $1500 dollars of his own. He blogged later that I was a “gifted†player. I’m not a “gifted†player! I’m simply a skilled player. And when I teach you, I teach you EVERYTHING I know. I leave nothing out. I keep no secrets.
What you need to learn to win at Baccarat:
First, you need to STOP looking at the game as gambling. You need to look at it professionally as a search for opportunity. You need to see the game through the eyes of a Pro.
You no longer walk into a casino and sit at any table and guess:
1.) You learn tote board reading â€" how to find the easiest table to beat.
2.) How to use your SAP count to determine the best system to play.
3.) How to play each of 6 systems.
4.) How to bet in accordance with the quality of the game you found.
5.) Practice, practice, practice.
I’ve played tens of thousands of games in the casino over the last 30 years. BUT, I’ve played even more games at home â€" practicing.
But Ellis, it’s easy to play a shoe after you have seen it.
When I play shoes for you to study, the SAP count determines the system I play within the first few hands. I simply play that already established system by its exact rules. I’m not guessing. I’m following a system precisely. Once I establish the system, I simply follow the rules come what may. I NEVER guess.
I have a solid reason for each and every bet. I seldom switch systems â€" perhaps 1 shoe in 10. Then I follow our cash mgt rules to determine where to quit. The progression I play is based on my hit rate in the shoe at hand. THAT is how to play Baccarat professionally. That is what you must learn.
Next, I’ll be showing you some shoes how an amateur plays them vs how a trained Pro plays them.
Just a word here about flat betting: THAT is what you do BEFORE you learn how to play. Show me a shoe you win 5 units flat betting and I’ll win +20 in the same shoe or even better by selecting the best progression. We are not there to fool around â€" We are there to get the money!
To be continued…
Stuart,
Thanks for an interesting post.
Ellis is a pretty controversial name in baccarat circles.
He is a very polarizing figure.
He has his legion of devotees who swears by every word he says.
And then he has an even bigger legion of detractors who call him all sorts of derogatory names -- "scammer" being one of the milder ones !
I have never purchased any of his systems, so I cannot say whether his pattern-based methods work or not.
But some of the general pieces of betting advice that he doles out is very sound.
The quote that I have highlighted above is one such example.
We all want a method that can work flat betting.
But if you come across such a system that can win flat betting, then it is also true that you can possibly win more with a progression.
Of course, the caveat is that a system using a progression will lead to greater drawdowns when you hit those inevitable losing streaks (especially, if the progression you are using is a negative one).
So you will need to have a much larger bank roll to weather these storms.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 13, 10:01 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
I'm testing different progressions.
BPP BPP BP I bet BPB B (the four step)
I've never see a pattern forming for four times. So sometimes I bet a four step progression.
1-1-3-6 and I NEVER lose!
My bankroll is growing up like a hell
Cheers
PS: I only bet two patterns
BPP or PBB
I'm not betting BBP and PPB because I realized it doesn't work.
Andre,
The 1 1 3 6 progression is, of course, a very bold one.
From your limited collection of statistics so far, in what percentage of triggers/games, have you been forced to go to that level?
There should not be exposure to steep progression to recover loss.
Either bet virtual loss/1/1 or 1/1 for 2 units risk, or virtual loss/1/2 or 1/2 for 3 units risk per game.
Improve betselection to attain high win rate is the way to go imho.
A solid betselection allows you to have a small br. Here I play with 4 units br 1/1 risking 2 units per game.
Quote from: cht on Mar 14, 07:30 AM 2018
There should not be exposure to steep progression to recover loss.
Either bet virtual loss/1/1 or 1/1 for 2 units risk, or virtual loss/1/2 or 1/2 for 3 units risk per game.
Improve betselection to attain high win rate is the way to go imho.
I agree -- that is why I use the 1 2 progression continuously.
And if I hit a losing streak, I still stick to the 1 2 progression (without increasing the actual dollar amounts of the betting units).
Off-topic:
Commiserations about what happened yesterday. The special one is losing his specialness right before your eyes.
Quote from: cht on Mar 14, 08:13 AM 2018
A solid betselection allows you to have a small br. Here I play with 4 units br 1/1 risking 2 units per game.
And, yes, bet selection matters.
Some bet selections are simply better than others (even if we cannot explain the reasons for that disparity -- it could be the layout of the numbers on the wheel or some other factor).
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 13, 10:01 PM 2018PS: I only bet two patterns
BPP or PBB
I'm not betting BBP and PPB because I realized it doesn't work.
Hi Andre,
what do you mean these two patterns aren't working for you? Are you getting a lot of losses or winning on 2nd step meaning no profit?
So these two patterns BBP and PBB would require you to bet PBP and PPB respectively. So are you saying that betting the first step on P or B and then being forced to change to B or P for next two steps is not showing profit.
I must say they 4 times I have played your method which is proving to be very rare indeed, I have had 4 wins with the following patterns to bet against
BPB after pattern PBB PBB PB formed
PBP after pattern BPP BPP BP formed
BPB after pattern PBB PBB PB formed
PBP after pattern BPP BPP BP formed
Only the second bet went to the 2nd step resulting in a break even. Other 3 bets were won on the first step.
So this does NOT correlates to your selection of two patterns.
I will leave it to the 4 patterns for now and report my results.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 14, 10:06 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
what do you mean these two patterns aren't working for you? Are you getting a lot of losses or winning on 2nd step meaning no profit?
So these two patterns BBP and PBB would require you to bet PBP and PPB respectively. So are you saying that betting the first step on P or B and then being forced to change to B or P for next two steps is not showing profit.
I must say they 4 times I have played your method which is proving to be very rare indeed, I have had 4 wins with the following patterns to bet against
BPB after pattern PBB PBB PB formed
PBP after pattern BPP BPP BP formed
BPB after pattern PBB PBB PB formed
PBP after pattern BPP BPP BP formed
Only the second bet went to the 2nd step resulting in a break even. Other 3 bets were won on the first step.
So this does NOT correlates to your selection of two patterns.
I will leave it to the 4 patterns for now and report my results.
Cheers,
Ricky
CORRECTION
Its getting late Im seeing too many Bs and Ps
I meant to say my results are correlating to your. I have not been challenged yet on the two patterns BBP and PPB you have stopped tracking.
The above games bets I reported were betting against PBB and BPP respectively and I won them all.
But using the original PATTERN BREAKER method I am finding more opportunities to bet and am now on a 22 game winning streak on my Online Casino. But I must admit I had 8 wins and 1 loss at my BM casino today using my modified 2 step approach I described earlier today. But since I switched to this 2 step method on my Online Casino I am 5-0
Altogether with Andre method and original I am now 27-0 on online casino.
Also, just got my 150 euro withdrawal approved so expect to see that depositied into my account in next few day.
Good news overall.
My fighting fund for my Challenge at my BM Casino is now $678. I am now starting to use the 3 step 0-1-2 progression with a $25 base bet risking $75. I will keep track if this is working for me without back to back losses. I am expecting to get to $1,000 in the next few visits.
Cheers
Ricky
regards
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 14, 09:45 AM 2018
And, yes, bet selection matters.
Some bet selections are simply better than others (even if we cannot explain the reasons for that disparity -- it could be the layout of the numbers on the wheel or some other factor).
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All bet selection are the same .there is no superior selection . I've tried them all
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 14, 03:09 AM 2018We all want a method that can work flat betting.
Hi Doctor,
I have been observing the tendencies in my baccarat play to see which side dominates. Apart from seeing the occasional 12 ties in one shoe it is pretty much an even battle most times between which side dominates. Sometimes they switch from one side to the other during the shoe. But there are occasional shoes that will show like 30-7 in favour of banker or player. So something like the Norman Leigh Attack using Reverse Labouchere can generate the occasional profit. But most times I find when I tried it it was a grind. You would make 8-15 units and then lose it again when the imbalance corrected. So the only way to take advantage is to set a profit target and then reset the sequence 1-1-1-1 when it is met. Also set a stop loss in case you get too far behind.
But flat betting will not generate too much profit in this near 50/50 game. The only method that is proving POWERFUL for me so far is PATTERN BREAKER even with a 2 step progression and 3 unit risk.
This is why I truly believe that PATTERN BREAKER will prove to be the closest thing to one component of a Holy Grail system together with DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE that you will ever see. Sounds crazy I know that a simple strategy can claim to have so much success but what those that play it MUST also have is TRUST in the method over 100 games. Sure it will lose but over 100 games it will consistently show a profit. Enough profit to rely on this method as a secure source of income and revenue.
Just to summarize with 3 step 1-2-4 progression it requires 7 wins to 1 loss for break-even meaning you need to achieve 84:12 win:loss ratio assuming no DOUBLE Losses and no recovery. With recover of 2-4-8 for 2 games after loss you can achieve profit with 84:12 win:loss
But with the 2 step progression 1-2 being deployed, which saves you 4 units for each loss, you only need 3 wins for each loss for break-even meaning 75:25 win:loss ratio assuming no recovery. As you only need to recover 3 units you can either deploy 2-4 for 1 recovery game or not use recovery at all and still have good chance of profit after 100 games.
As I mentioned I am 27 wins so far achieved in mostly 1 or 2 steps. Only once I went to 3rd step in this current streak so in reality I am 26-1 for 2 steps only. I am on track to show a profit after 100 games.
No the trick will be to remain DISCIPLINE and PATIENT enough over the coming months to manage my Bankroll wisely and continue with 100 game profits. This is why I am continually reporting my results on this forum because I do not trust myself to stay focused on my own. This way I am accountable to be true to the forum and will continue to make sensible decisions. Its also good to get the good and bad criticism so I can be challenged when needed and learn from the ideas of others.
Cheers
Ricky.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 14, 10:51 AM 2018
All bet selection are the same .there is no superior selection .
I've tried them all
Hope the above claim applies to your genius messiah's repeaters method as well.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 14, 11:06 AM 2018
Hi Doctor,
I have been observing the tendencies in my baccarat play to see which side dominates. Apart from seeing the occasional 12 ties in one shoe it is pretty much an even battle most times between which side dominates. Sometimes they switch from one side to the other during the shoe. But there are occasional shoes that will show like 30-7 in favour of banker or player. So something like the Norman Leigh Attack using Reverse Labouchere can generate the occasional profit. But most times I find when I tried it it was a grind. You would make 8-15 units and then lose it again when the imbalance corrected. So the only way to take advantage is to set a profit target and then reset the sequence 1-1-1-1 when it is met. Also set a stop loss in case you get too far behind.
But flat betting will not generate too much profit in this near 50/50 game. The only method that is proving POWERFUL for me so far is PATTERN BREAKER even with a 2 step progression and 3 unit risk.
This is why I truly believe that PATTERN BREAKER will prove to be the closest thing to one component of a Holy Grail system together with DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE that you will ever see.
Sounds crazy I know that a simple strategy can claim to have so much success but what those that play it MUST also have is TRUST in the method over 100 games. Sure it will lose but over 100 games it will consistently show a profit. Enough profit to rely on this method as a secure source of income and revenue.
Just to summarize with 3 step 1-2-4 progression it requires 7 wins to 1 loss for break-even meaning you need to achieve 84:12 win:loss ratio assuming no DOUBLE Losses and no recovery. With recover of 2-4-8 for 2 games after loss you can achieve profit with 84:12 win:loss
But with the 2 step progression 1-2 being deployed, which saves you 4 units for each loss, you only need 3 wins for each loss for break-even meaning 75:25 win:loss ratio assuming no recovery. As you only need to recover 3 units you can either deploy 2-4 for 1 recovery game or not use recovery at all and still have good chance of profit after 100 games.
As I mentioned I am 27 wins so far achieved in mostly 1 or 2 steps. Only once I went to 3rd step in this current streak so in reality I am 26-1 for 2 steps only. I am on track to show a profit after 100 games.
No the trick will be to remain DISCIPLINE and PATIENT enough over the coming months to manage my Bankroll wisely and continue with 100 game profits. This is why I am continually reporting my results on this forum because I do not trust myself to stay focused on my own. This way I am accountable to be true to the forum and will continue to make sensible decisions. Its also good to get the good and bad criticism so I can be challenged when needed and learn from the ideas of others.
Cheers
Ricky.
Ricky,
Good post.
I want to make a general suggestion that maybe you can build on.
It is this:
PB is a typical bet-against-certain-rare-patterns method.
There are other methods that bet against certain rare patterns that work as well.
So try applying that thinking to devising other similar methods.
Two caveats / suggestions:
1. EC methods based on the above idea tend to be more practical than similar methods that involve double dozens or double columns (primarily because of the 1:2 payout).
2. If flat betting does not produce profits on a consistent basis, then any negative progression used in conjunction with such a method should be one that is
both mild and short.Trust me, you will find this to be a fascinating and fertile area of roulette research !
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 14, 03:09 AM 2018But some of the general pieces of betting advice that he doles out is very sound.
OK I started doing some research on Ellis Davis and found this statement of his at link:://:.casinoforum.club/finally-the-truth-about-baccarat-by-e-clifton-davis/ (link:://:.casinoforum.club/finally-the-truth-about-baccarat-by-e-clifton-davis/) which I can verify at my BM casino is plausable
"OK, here is what you are up against. The cards are fixed. Worse, they are not all fixed the same way. But, “factory preshuffled†cards are fixed in card orders the casinos deem favorable to them."I witnessed a new deck of cards being unwrapped from packaging at a $100 table and it went straight in the shoe pre-shuffled. No shuffle machine. So it was obviously pre-shuffled at the factory. These Baccarat players have no idea what they are up against.
This scenario is opposed to my Online casino which I see is hand shuffled after each shoe and you can see the cards being dealt. So my results are based on this true random shuffle. When I am next at my BM casino I will double check the Rapid Baccarat games to see how they are shuffled as these cards are reused after each shoe. I suspect it is a Shuffle Master of some kind. But these can also shuffle the cards in a certain order.
So I will be very careful in my game play to ensure I am playing PATTERN BREAKER on the most favourable conditions to ensure random is as random as possible.
At this point I am seeing SicBo as being the best option. Funny that as I would have expected it to be one of the worst games to beat. But when you have 3 small dice in a dome being tossed in the air and hitting the sides of glass, you cannot get any more random than that. It is actually 3 random events taking place simultaneously to form random number from the sum of three random events.
Cheers,
Ricky
Today while toying around I realise I can use PB to unravel repeaters play vv. This time I played a repeaters game of 500 spins with approx. 150 units per game flat bet and it gave a profit of 1985 units profit. I can't post the game chart because the 'show stats' icon went faulty not giving the chart. Maybe another time. Anyway this is amazing breakthrough for both systems.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 14, 11:12 AM 2018
Hope the above claim applies to your genius messiah's repeaters method as well.
To all. I'm not trying to be negative. It's a fact
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 14, 11:30 AM 2018
Ricky,
Good post.
I want to make a general suggestion that maybe you can build on.
It is this:
PB is a typical bet-against-certain-rare-patterns method.
There are other methods that bet against certain rare patterns that work as well.
So try applying that thinking to devising other similar methods.
Two caveats / suggestions:
1. EC methods based on the above idea tend to be more practical than similar methods that involve double dozens or double columns (primarily because of the 1:2 payout).
2. If flat betting does not produce profits on a consistent basis, then any negative progression used in conjunction with such a method should be one that is both mild and short.
Trust me, you will find this to be a fascinating and fertile area of roulette research !
Hi Doctor,
I totally agree with your summation. Yes, i am sure there are other similar methods based on "bet-against-certain-rare-patterns". The key is to find the ones that are the rarest but also changes on each bet selection. You cannot constantly look for the same rare pattern to bet against. You need random to choose it for you. So far PB is the only idea I have come across that does this. Sure there are other methods mentioned like MV7 etc that do this but for simplicity sake PB is very playable. You could do something similar, and I have to some degree of success, and get random number generator to select one of 8 choices. You then bet against that pattern not forming when you decide to bet. I am sure it would on occasion, if not often, have the same strike rate as PB. But I like the way PB creates the choice for you using the game itself. This leaves no room to blame your random number generator or your own bad luck. It then is the luck of the wheel or deck order that bet you on that game.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Mar 14, 11:42 AM 2018
Today while toying around I realise I can use PB to unravel repeaters play vv. This time I played a repeaters game of 500 spins with approx. 150 units per game flat bet and it gave a profit of 1985 units profit. I can't post the game chart because the 'show stats' icon went faulty not giving the chart. Maybe another time. Anyway this is amazing breakthrough for both systems.
What's amazing is it is based on flatbet with minimal drawdown. I checked it on excel then played it on roulettesimulator expecting the same result and yes it did - although both are rng. So now to test it on real live spins.
Let repeaters chose the pattern and play the repeaters to close out the pattern. When pattern formed play PB immediately. Great results for both repeaters and PBAndre.
Hi guys,
liking the idea of the ,1,2 prog against the 4 set off patterns. like doc said there is other patterns to play. as we know with MV7 patterns can go on and on to repeat 7 times in a row.
But if we sticking to the exact patterns we have written down before we play it can be differnt....and like in the table below only play against patterns with double ends.... if playing the bottom set of patterns with 2 diff ECs.
Only problem is keeping track of them all. Maybe too complicated to play for real.
Surley a higher hit rate than 3--1... so a loss now and again is fine.
cheers
Quote from: Apolloo on Mar 14, 12:08 PM 2018
Hi guys,
liking the idea of the ,1,2 prog against the 4 set off patterns. like doc said there is other patterns to play. as we know with MV7 patterns can go on and on to repeat 7 times in a row.
But if we sticking to the exact patterns we have written down before we play it can be differnt....and like in the table below only play against patterns with double ends.... if playing the bottom set of patterns with 2 diff ECs.
Only problem is keeping track of them all. Maybe too complicated to play for real.
Cheers
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You'll make a lot of mistakes and it will cost you. But what the hell do I know .only playing this game for over 10 years. :yawn:
Quote from: Apolloo on Mar 14, 12:08 PM 2018
Hi guys,
liking the idea of the ,1,2 prog against the 4 set off patterns. like doc said there is other patterns to play. as we know with MV7 patterns can go on and on to repeat 7 times in a row.
But if we sticking to the exact patterns we have written down before we play it can be differnt....and like in the table below only play against patterns with double ends.... if playing the bottom set of patterns with 2 diff ECs.
Only problem is keeping track of them all. Maybe too complicated to play for real.
Surley a higher hit rate than 3--1... so a loss now and again is fine.
cheers
Hi Apolloo,
Can you explain a bit more about what you are doing with these patterns. I just want to be sure I have your idea understood
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky, yeah its just as andreas play.... playing against seening RBB RBB RBB RBB formining within our 3 set matrix.
But as we know it can take alot of time to get that trigger, so if we want to play only the 2 step progression... this can take even longer to get our trigger. so by adding the extra patterns to play agaisnt it could be better.
Example.
HRR
HRR
HRR
H ------Trigger to bet agaisnt HRR forming for 4th time in a row so now bet ---- BB with 1,2 prog.
But id suggest if was playing with more patterns, only play with ones you have written down beforehand... and only ones with double ends. not just any pattern that forms while playing becuse as we know can go on and on repeating.
Quote from: Apolloo on Mar 14, 12:32 PM 2018
Hi Ricky, yeah its just as andreas play.... playing against seening RBB RBB RBB RBB formining within our 3 set matrix.
But as we know it can take alot of time to get that trigger, so if we want to play only the 2 step progression... this can take even longer to get our trigger. so by adding the extra patterns to play agaisnt it could be better.
Example.
HRR
HRR
HRR
H ------Trigger to bet agaisnt HRR forming for 4th time in a row so now bet ---- BB with 1,2 prog.
But id suggest if was playing with more patterns, only play with ones you have written down beforehand... and only ones with double ends. not just any pattern that forms while playing becuse as we know can go on and on repeating.
Thanks Apolloo. That explains the strategy.
One thing, maybe Andre can confirm and does not relate to this example you have given. You mention you put the results in sequences of 3 as you have shown. But In Baccarat Play Andre mentions he does not group the results but just takes the last eight results and looks for the repeating pattern. I am finding this method very difficult to track at BM casino playing Baccarat. So I am not sure how Andre manually tracks 6 tables simultaneously.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 14, 11:39 AM 2018
OK I started doing some research on Ellis Davis and found this statement of his at link:://:.casinoforum.club/finally-the-truth-about-baccarat-by-e-clifton-davis/ (link:://:.casinoforum.club/finally-the-truth-about-baccarat-by-e-clifton-davis/) which I can verify at my BM casino is plausable
"OK, here is what you are up against. The cards are fixed. Worse, they are not all fixed the same way. But, “factory preshuffled†cards are fixed in card orders the casinos deem favorable to them."
I witnessed a new deck of cards being unwrapped from packaging at a $100 table and it went straight in the shoe pre-shuffled. No shuffle machine. So it was obviously pre-shuffled at the factory. These Baccarat players have no idea what they are up against.
This scenario is opposed to my Online casino which I see is hand shuffled after each shoe and you can see the cards being dealt. So my results are based on this true random shuffle. When I am next at my BM casino I will double check the Rapid Baccarat games to see how they are shuffled as these cards are reused after each shoe. I suspect it is a Shuffle Master of some kind. But these can also shuffle the cards in a certain order.
So I will be very careful in my game play to ensure I am playing PATTERN BREAKER on the most favourable conditions to ensure random is as random as possible.
At this point I am seeing SicBo as being the best option. Funny that as I would have expected it to be one of the worst games to beat. But when you have 3 small dice in a dome being tossed in the air and hitting the sides of glass, you cannot get any more random than that. It is actually 3 random events taking place simultaneously to form random number from the sum of three random events.
Cheers,
Ricky
Reading Ellis's strategy in this article really confirms to me how simple PATTERN BREAKER is compared to what he is trying to SELL as a WINNING strategy making his students millions. Once statement he makes is:
QuoteHow hard is it to learn?
Some of our sharpies grasp the whole concept virtually overnight.
But for us mortals it takes some study.
Nothing we do is the least bit difficult but we do a LOT.
Maybe his potential students should come over to this forum and do some simple studying of their own and try out PATTERN BREAKER with this no brainer method that can be learnt by a 3 year old :)
Cheers,
Ricky
These will be a little easier to track!!
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 14, 11:06 AM 2018
Hi Doctor,
I have been observing the tendencies in my baccarat play to see which side dominates. Apart from seeing the occasional 12 ties in one shoe it is pretty much an even battle most times between which side dominates. Sometimes they switch from one side to the other during the shoe. But there are occasional shoes that will show like 30-7 in favour of banker or player. So something like the Norman Leigh Attack using Reverse Labouchere can generate the occasional profit. But most times I find when I tried it it was a grind. You would make 8-15 units and then lose it again when the imbalance corrected. So the only way to take advantage is to set a profit target and then reset the sequence 1-1-1-1 when it is met. Also set a stop loss in case you get too far behind.
But flat betting will not generate too much profit in this near 50/50 game. The only method that is proving POWERFUL for me so far is PATTERN BREAKER even with a 2 step progression and 3 unit risk.
This is why I truly believe that PATTERN BREAKER will prove to be the closest thing to one component of a Holy Grail system together with DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE that you will ever see. Sounds crazy I know that a simple strategy can claim to have so much success but what those that play it MUST also have is TRUST in the method over 100 games. Sure it will lose but over 100 games it will consistently show a profit. Enough profit to rely on this method as a secure source of income and revenue.
Just to summarize with 3 step 1-2-4 progression it requires 7 wins to 1 loss for break-even meaning you need to achieve 84:12 win:loss ratio assuming no DOUBLE Losses and no recovery. With recover of 2-4-8 for 2 games after loss you can achieve profit with 84:12 win:loss
But with the 2 step progression 1-2 being deployed, which saves you 4 units for each loss, you only need 3 wins for each loss for break-even meaning 75:25 win:loss ratio assuming no recovery. As you only need to recover 3 units you can either deploy 2-4 for 1 recovery game or not use recovery at all and still have good chance of profit after 100 games.
As I mentioned I am 27 wins so far achieved in mostly 1 or 2 steps. Only once I went to 3rd step in this current streak so in reality I am 26-1 for 2 steps only. I am on track to show a profit after 100 games.
No the trick will be to remain DISCIPLINE and PATIENT enough over the coming months to manage my Bankroll wisely and continue with 100 game profits. This is why I am continually reporting my results on this forum because I do not trust myself to stay focused on my own. This way I am accountable to be true to the forum and will continue to make sensible decisions. Its also good to get the good and bad criticism so I can be challenged when needed and learn from the ideas of others.
Cheers
Ricky.
100 game sets is where its at Ricky. Once you have that discipline and patience mastered. You will have this game of Baccarat, Roulette beaten longterm for life.
The price is ALWAYS two qualities few possess. PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 14, 12:51 PM 2018
Thanks Apolloo. That explains the strategy.
One thing, maybe Andre can confirm and does not relate to this example you have given. You mention you put the results in sequences of 3 as you have shown. But In Baccarat Play Andre mentions he does not group the results but just takes the last eight results and looks for the repeating pattern. I am finding this method very difficult to track at BM casino playing Baccarat. So I am not sure how Andre manually tracks 6 tables simultaneously.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi
That's the way how I track
red=banker blue =player
It's easy to track it on the main road.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 14, 03:14 AM 2018
Andre,
The 1 1 3 6 progression is, of course, a very bold one.
From your limited collection of statistics so far, in what percentage of triggers/games, have you been forced to go to that level?
I think around 20 games or more.
As I said before I've never seen a pattern forming for 4 times. So. I never lose using the trigger I'm using.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 14, 10:06 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
what do you mean these two patterns aren't working for you? Are you getting a lot of losses or winning on 2nd step meaning no profit?
So these two patterns BBP and PBB would require you to bet PBP and PPB respectively. So are you saying that betting the first step on P or B and then being forced to change to B or P for next two steps is not showing profit.
I must say they 4 times I have played your method which is proving to be very rare indeed, I have had 4 wins with the following patterns to bet against
BPB after pattern PBB PBB PB formed
PBP after pattern BPP BPP BP formed
BPB after pattern PBB PBB PB formed
PBP after pattern BPP BPP BP formed
Only the second bet went to the 2nd step resulting in a break even. Other 3 bets were won on the first step.
So this does NOT correlates to your selection of two patterns.
I will leave it to the 4 patterns for now and report my results.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky
For some reason I realized betting only BPP or PBB work better.
You have to adapt your style of play and figure out what works better to you.
what BPP or PBB means .....
can you make an example please how to play
thank you
Some guy showed me this yesterday does it look strange, I am a horrible math guy.
120
110
100
90
80
70
60 Start here on a loss go up on a win go down in US dollars.
50
40
30
20
10
He said in a 50 50 game it cant lose but I said what about the best bet selection he said player-banker who cares pick one.
I said no that's too simple so I used it with PB while I kept an eye on my missing patterns.
Oh and on bet phoenix player was on fire today, 65 percent were player for at least an hour.
Never buck a trend swim with the current not against it.
Stuart
cant lose??????.............................IMPOSSIBLE........time to move on
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 14, 07:20 PM 2018
cant lose??????.............................IMPOSSIBLE........time to move on
I did not say that the guy who was trying to sell me some system that is most likely on the forum somewhere said that but it seems fun to play with a good bet selection on Baccarat.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 14, 05:24 PM 2018
Some guy showed me this yesterday does it look strange, I am a horrible math guy.
120
110
100
90
80
70
60 Start here on a loss go up on a win go down in US dollars.
50
40
30
20
10
He said in a 50 50 game it cant lose but I said what about the best bet selection he said player-banker who cares pick one.
I said no that's too simple so I used it with PB while I kept an eye on my missing patterns.
Oh and on bet phoenix player was on fire today, 65 percent were player for at least an hour.
Never buck a trend swim with the current not against it.
Stuart
Stuart,
The progression that you listed above actually has a name.
It is the
Ascot progression.
You start in the middle and go up one step on a win and go down one step on a loss.
It has some similarities to the
Contra D'Alembert progression -- the principle difference is that in the
Contra D'Alembert progression you start out with the
lowest number (usually, 1 unit), whereas with the
Ascot progression here you start out in
the middle.
It does NOT have to be the above sequence of numbers that this guy gave you.
You can create your own list of numbers and apply the above principle.
It is good for EC bets.
You can try it -- it is definitely better than any doubling up negative progression strategy.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 14, 07:27 PM 2018
Stuart,
The progression that you listed above actually has a name.
It is the Ascot progression.
You start in the middle and go up one step on a win and go down one step on a loss.
It has some similarities to the Contra D'Alembert progression -- the principle difference is that in the
Contra D'Alembert progression you start out with the lowest number (usually, 1 unit), whereas with the Ascot progression here you start out in the middle.
It does NOT have to be the above sequence of numbers that this guy gave you.
You can create your own list of numbers and apply the above principle.
It is good for EC bets.
You can try it -- it is definitely better than any doubling up negative progression strategy.
Another point:
The biggest problem of the
Ascot progression is that any alternating sequence (that is up and down sequence) of wins and losses will adversely affect any profit targets that you may have set before starting the
Ascot progression.
guys,
have you tested this method flatbetting?
i have found a strong pattern but a bit more complex than this and it's showed good result flatbetting.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 14, 08:02 PM 2018
guys,
have you tested this method flatbetting?
i have found a strong pattern but a bit more complex than this and it's showed good result flatbetting.
It depends how long the pattern is that you are betting for or against.
If it is one or two steps then, yes, flat betting may very well work.
However, for longer patterns of 3 or more decisions (like, say, PBPB), then it is doubtful that it will work flat betting.
Of course, if this pattern-based method that you are alluding is so good that you win most of the time on the first one or two bets, then, yes, flat betting should do the job.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 14, 01:23 PM 2018
Hi
That's the way how I track
red=banker blue =player
The snapshot of the electronic board that you posted is also the most common way that most casinos here in the US display the Banker or Player decisions. And we can then easily transfer those B/P decisions to our paper records for our own tracking, if we want to.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 14, 09:50 PM 2018
The snapshot of the electronic board that you posted is also the most common way that most casinos here in the US display the Banker or Player decisions. And we can then easily transfer those B/P decisions to our paper records for our own tracking, if we want to.
Andre doesn't transfer those B/P results onto his paper record, he simply look at the big road - that's why he can track many shoes at one go. He bets for the highway if you understand what that means - I believe he has one more condition.
what BPP or PBB means .....
can you make an example please how to play
thank you
Quote from: cht on Mar 14, 10:59 PM 2018
Andre doesn't transfer those B/P results onto his paper record, he simply look at the big road - that's why he can track many shoes at one go. He bets for the highway if you understand what that means - I believe he has one more condition.
Yes, I know he doesn't do paper tracking. I was making the comment to note that the electronic displays that he encounters in his online casinos are pretty similar to what we get here in the US.
To cater to Asian players, many casinos offer additional displays also. I don't find those additional ones particularly useful for the type of tracking I do for my pattern-based bet selection methods.
Quote from: iar000 on Mar 14, 11:05 PM 2018
what BPP or PBB means .....
can you make an example please how to play
thank you
The symbols are for Baccarat decisions:
B=Banker and P= Player (T is for the Tie outcome).
As to how to play, the main methods (and their respective variants) have been described many times over in this thread (read the last 15 or 20 pages and you will get a good idea).
Quote from: cht on Mar 14, 10:59 PM 2018
Andre doesn't transfer those B/P results onto his paper record, he simply look at the big road - that's why he can track many shoes at one go. He bets for the highway if you understand what that means - I believe he has one more condition.
Hi CHT
You're right. I simple look at the big road to track six shoes at the same time. I don't use paper record. When I see the trigger forming I enter the table.
No I don't have one more condition.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 14, 01:12 PM 2018he price is ALWAYS two qualities few possess.
Hi Sentinel,
thanks to you and others on this forum I am working on these two attributes now that I have a sound system to use. I naturally attract bad luck in my casino play and its these lack of two attributes I have always failed on. I had neither a sound system, discipline nor patience and this was always my undoing. Now I have the a very playable method which is producing long winning streaks without the need to memorize complex rules like other systems. As I type I just won my 31st straight game of Baccarat using PB. For a guy who usually has the worst luck and loses this much in a row this can't be due to a dramatic change in fortune. It has to do with the logic I am using to only bet when the odds are in my favor and I am avoiding the guessing game. Let the casino get lucky not me. I am just following the rules that have clearly been predefined. I truly believe the reason I would lose often is I was not having the discipline to stick to the rules both in bet selection and MM. Now I am doing this on bet selection and fine tuning my money management/progression I am having tremendous success with winning streaks and ultimately growing my profit.
PS. Correction. Just won another game while posting this. Now I am 32-0 on Online Baccarat. My 0-1-2 progression with letting virtual bet determine if I bet for/against the pattern in next two steps is working for me at 100% hit rate. Only 9 games sampled using this method but it is proving that betting for/against the pattern can work. I know Mr Random will eventually get me but I will be prepared with my MM strategy to deal with it knowing that I need to have a really bad run of losses to unravel what I have achieved in the last 5 days.
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 14, 01:38 PM 2018
Ricky
For some reason I realized betting only BPP or PBB work better.
You have to adapt your style of play and figure out what works better to you.
Hi Andre,
If you get the following does this count as a pattern
BBBB BPP BPP BP
or
PPPP PBB PBB PB
Notice before the pattern starts the first result was repeating one or more times.
What I am getting at is do you look at the big road and wait for the pattern to start without any previous repeats of the first as in above example. This is what is making it hard for me to recognize when I look at the big road. Let me try to depict the big road with above example
B P B P B P
B P P
B
B
B
P B P B P B
P B B
P
P
P
Does the above qualify or do you look for the below
P B P B P B P
P P
or
B P B P B P B
B B
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 15, 01:09 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
If you get the following does this count as a pattern
BBBB BPP BPP BP
or
PPPP PBB PBB PB
Yes, it does. Don't care about what appeared before the trigger.
Notice before the pattern starts the first result was repeating one or more times.
What I am getting at is do you look at the big road and wait for the pattern to start without any previous repeats of the first as in above example. This is what is making it hard for me to recognize when I look at the big road. Let me try to depict the big road with above example
B P B P B P
B P P
B
B
B
We have above BPP BPP BP
P B P B P B
P B B
P
P
P
We have above PBB PBB PB
Both qualify
Does the above qualify or do you look for the below
P B P B P B P
P P
We have above BPP BPP BP
or
B P B P B P B
B B
We have above PBB PBB PB
Both quilify too
cheers,
Ricky
Ricky, it's simple like that.
Cheers
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 14, 09:41 PM 2018
It depends how long the pattern is that you are betting for or against.
If it is one or two steps then, yes, flat betting may very well work.
However, for longer patterns of 3 or more decisions (like, say, PBPB), then it is doubtful that it will work flat betting.
Of course, if this pattern-based method that you are alluding is so good that you win most of the time on the first one or two bets, then, yes, flat betting should do the job.
Good morning Doctor!
Flat bet only the first step, say you have PBB then you should only play the first step which is P ... test it !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 15, 02:59 AM 2018
Good morning Doctor!
Flat bet only the first step, say you have PBB then you should only play the first step which is P ... test it !
Good morning,
Yes, I understand the argument you are making.
I have noticed that 80% of the wins come on the first two spins and that is why I have switched over to the 1 2 progression in recent months (as opposed to the original 1 2 2 progression that I was using before).
This is a point I have made several times before in this thread.
I think flat betting the first bet only will make it hover around the 45 to 50% mark (some sessions will be slightly over the 50% mark), but I am NOT sure it will give me the consistent profits that the 1 2 progression is giving me so far.
I will give greater attention to this matter for sure.
One question: When you are losing the first bet, you are ending the betting (and not going after the second bet) -- right?
In my case, I go after the second bet with 2 units as I explained in my previous post.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 15, 03:32 AM 2018
Good morning,
Yes, I understand the argument you are making.
I have noticed that 80% of the wins come on the first two spins and that is why I have switched over to the 1 2 progression in recent months (as opposed to the original 1 2 2 progression that I was using before).
This is a point I have made several times before in this thread.
I think flat betting the first bet only will make it hover around the 45 to 50% mark (some sessions will be slightly over the 50% mark), but I am NOT sure it will give me the consistent profits that the 1 2 progression is giving me so far.
I will give greater attention to this matter for sure.
If the 1st bet hovers around 45-50%, then it's a losing bet at best breakeven. Instead you should bet only on the 2nd bet.
Depending on PB or it's variant the win is evenly distributed between the 1st/2nd bet or 2nd/3rd bet in the tests that I conducted. That's why I recommend 0/1/1 or 1/1 - there's no statistics justification for a 100% hike in the 2nd bet.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 15, 03:36 AM 2018
One question: When you are losing the first bet, you are ending the betting (and not going after the second bet) -- right?
In my case, I go after the second bet with 2 units as I explained in my previous post.
Hi doctor
Let me explain this, first of all I have found a pattern that consists of 6 elements ( in fact these 6 elements are the outcome from 6 different betting systems that are being verified for every 6 spins Per rotation )
I have verified the entire pattern against a relative huge number of spins and identified the losing combination of elements that have lost most of the time (to give an idea consider BBB Or RRR etc )
These combinations have been filtered out as I am not going to risk even one dollar when I encounter them.
Lastly I have made an assessment on the prodfitabilty of the whole pattern and discovered that I am still ahead even if I would have only played the first element of the pattern then stopped and waited for the appearance of the next pattern
Here are some figures from testing
Number of spins :1500
Hit at the first element :782
Miss at the first element: 546
That netweighs a profit of 237 units within these 1500 spins
Got it ?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 10, 06:38 PM 2018
What's the site name?
@ André
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Ludo8400
Quote from: cht on Mar 15, 03:42 AM 2018
If the 1st bet hovers around 45-50%, then it's a losing bet at best breakeven. Instead you should bet only on the 2nd bet.
Depending on PB or it's variant the win is evenly distributed between the 1st/2nd bet or 2nd/3rd bet in the tests that I conducted. That's why I recommend 0/1/1 or 1/1 - there's no statistics justification for a 100% hike in the 2nd bet.
I had tested the 1 1 as one of several alternate possible progressions (including the 1 2 and the 0 1 2) when I was thinking of moving away from the 1 2 2 progression that I had employed since September, 2015, September, 2015.
When I compared the effects of the 1 1 and the 0 1 2 on my bank roll versus that of the 1 2, there was a clear-cut winner:
the 1 2 progression consistently led to greater increases in my bank roll -- the only relative (but tolerable) downside was that I had to risk 1 extra unit on the second bet (as compared to the 1 1 progression).
So I have good reason to use the 1 2 progression. As long as the empirical effects of using this progression on my bank roll remain positive, I will keep using it.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 15, 05:27 AM 2018
Hi doctor
Let me explain this, first of all I have found a pattern that consists of 6 elements ( in fact these 6 elements are the outcome from 6 different betting systems that are being verified for every 6 spins Per rotation )
I have verified the entire pattern against a relative huge number of spins and identified the losing combination of elements that have lost most of the time (to give an idea consider BBB Or RRR etc )
These combinations have been filtered out as I am not going to risk even one dollar when I encounter them.
Lastly I have made an assessment on the prodfitabilty of the whole pattern and discovered that I am still ahead even if I would have only played the first element of the pattern then stopped and waited for the appearance of the next pattern
Here are some figures from testing
Number of spins :1500
Hit at the first element :782
Miss at the first element: 546
That netweighs a profit of 237 units within these 1500 spins
Got it ?
Yes, I understand it.
Test it a bit more and see how it continues to fare.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 13, 08:24 AM 2018
Ricky,
This is truly a gem of a post !
I am definitely going to paper test this one -- thanks for sharing this wonderful idea with us.
Hi Doctor,
how are you going with this 2 step progression idea? Actually I like to call it a 3 step 0-1-2. For me it has made no difference to my strike rate so far. I have had one loss but I have had many wins with it. So there is no negative side effect so far. But it is proving to me to have positive effects mainly to my piece of mind that I am seeing the result to the last step. As mentioned in the rules I laid down you will see some games that could have won for you on the first step but they have usually been also winning on the 2nd step. I have played 13 games this way with a 12-1 win rate. Only 1 went to the third step and lost. It was and AGAINST bet so I would have lost anyway just playing the AGAINST. All 12 wins came on the 1st Step of the 1-2 and 5 were bet FOR the pattern based on the 1st non bet step of the 3 step progression 0-1-2. So In this small sample it is showing me that if the first non bet step was matching the start of the 8th Pattern then the next step was also matching the 8th Pattern most times. By betting with it I am winning these bets.
Time will tell when I have done several hundred sessions whether this phenomenon holds up or was just luck. But if it does hold up with a good strike rate as the 1-2-4 then would this not be an ultimate safe method with only 3 units at risk.
I started with 5 euro for 10 games. I am now betting 10 euro for the next 10 games and have 5 more to go. If successful at getting there without a loss I will increase to 20 euro base bet. With only 3 units at risk I am feeling comfortable doing this for the bankroll I currently have.
I will post an updated spreadsheet showing my results once I complete my first 100 games. I have 60 to go.
Cheers,
Ricky
OBSERVE AT LEAST 5 HANDS BEFORE STARTING
PLAY TREND GO WITH THE FLOW
CHOPPY PLAY OPP LAST
PAIRS TWO’S PLAY OPP ONE BEFORE LAST
ON A RUN PLAY PREVIOUS RESULT
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 15, 09:51 AM 2018
Hi Doctor,
how are you going with this 2 step progression idea? Actually I like to call it a 3 step 0-1-2. For me it has made no difference to my strike rate so far. I have had one loss but I have had many wins with it. So there is no negative side effect so far. But it is proving to me to have positive effects mainly to my piece of mind that I am seeing the result to the last step. As mentioned in the rules I laid down you will see some games that could have won for you on the first step but they have usually been also winning on the 2nd step. I have played 13 games this way with a 12-1 win rate. Only 1 went to the third step and lost. It was and AGAINST bet so I would have lost anyway just playing the AGAINST. All 12 wins came on the 1st Step of the 1-2 and 5 were bet FOR the pattern based on the 1st non bet step of the 3 step progression 0-1-2.
So In this small sample it is showing me that if the first non bet step was matching the start of the 8th Pattern then the next step was also matching the 8th Pattern most times. By betting with it I am winning these bets.
Time will tell when I have done several hundred sessions whether this phenomenon holds up or was just luck. But if it does hold up with a good strike rate as the 1-2-4 then would this not be an ultimate safe method with only 3 units at risk.
I started with 5 euro for 10 games. I am now betting 10 euro for the next 10 games and have 5 more to go. If successful at getting there without a loss I will increase to 20 euro base bet. With only 3 units at risk I am feeling comfortable doing this for the bankroll I currently have.
I will post an updated spreadsheet showing my results once I complete my first 100 games. I have 60 to go.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky,
I am still doing well with the 1 2 progression.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I found the 1 2 progression to result in more profits compared to the 1 1 and the 0 1 2.
From what I have seen so far, more than 80% of my wins come from the first two spins -- that is higher than the number of wins that I would get from betting on the second and third spins (if I did bet on them).
So, for me, the 1 2 is my go-to progression for the time being.
If the results start going negative, then of course I will go back to the drawing board and make adjustments (I am always open to tinkering, if results make it imperative for me to do so).
Pattern Breaker says to wait until seven different small patterns have hit after which you then bet against the eighth small pattern to appear, which means one of the small patterns will repeat if you win, right?
When tracking, you usually scratch off new patterns as they appear, and ignore, or skip, the patterns that have already hit.
But the thing is, the moment any pattern repeats will mean the big pattern gets already broken.
Quick example:
RRR - 1st pattern
RRB - 2nd
BRR - 3rd
BRB - 4th
BBR - 5th
BRR - a repeat of the 3rd pattern
BBB - "6th"
RBR - "7th" - Here you´d think you´re ready to bet against the remaining pattern, which ought to be RBB, but in reality you´ve already reached a broken big pattern composed of seven unique small patterns and a repeat.
If RBB hits against you, you have still faced a broken pattern composed of seven small patterns and a repeat. The Logic is still there, but you lost.
For Pattern Breaker to apparently succeed, you´d have to track for an event where seven small patterns hit in a row, without any repeats, but then for how many hundreds of spins you´d have to wait for that to happen?
Better use shorter patterns:
RR
RB
BB
BR
Find three unique short patterns instead, and bet against a fourth.
You coud even bet right away against a bigger pattern forming...
#AttackPattern
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HL
LH
LL - Bet against HH
LL - WIN - WIN
I have finally found the HG after hard efforts .... what's now?
how should i keep it secret? how can i hide it from casino? how much money should i invest ?
what should i do with the profits? should i practice on steve's MSP ?
.... a lot of questions without answers
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 15, 03:01 PM 2018
Pattern Breaker says to wait until seven different small patterns have hit after which you then bet against the eighth small pattern to appear, which means one of the small patterns will repeat if you win, right?
When tracking, you usually scratch off new patterns as they appear, and ignore, or skip, the patterns that have already hit.
But the thing is, the moment any pattern repeats will mean the big pattern gets already broken.
Quick example:
RRR - 1st pattern
RRB - 2nd
BRR - 3rd
BRB - 4th
BBR - 5th
BRR - a repeat of the 3rd pattern
BBB - "6th"
RBR - "7th" - Here you´d think you´re ready to bet against the remaining pattern, which ought to be RBB, but in reality you´ve already reached a broken big pattern composed of seven unique small patterns and a repeat.
If RBB hits against you, you have still faced a broken pattern composed of seven small patterns and a repeat. The Logic is still there, but you lost.
For Pattern Breaker to apparently succeed, you´d have to track for an event where seven small patterns hit in a row, without any repeats, but then for how many hundreds of spins you´d have to wait for that to happen?
Better use shorter patterns:
RR
RB
BB
BR
Find three unique short patterns instead, and bet against a fourth.
You coud even bet right away against a bigger pattern forming...
Hi psimoes,
this theory sounds logical and is just another way to skin this same cat. It allows you to bet a 2 step on the breaking of the pattern. Sometime you'll win, sometimes you'll lose. The trick is to identify how rare this happens. If it is rare you are in a winning position but with only four possibilities of being right or wrong I think long term this may not be enough to overcome random. With only 2 step and ALWAYS betting against the pattern you allow random to get lucky.
I am testing the idea that even with a sequence of 3 you can still bet 2 step but vary you choice of betting FOR or AGAINST the pattern of the last two based on the result of the first in the sequence. If the result is a start of the 8th pattern forming then you continue betting FOR the 8th pattern to complete. If the first result does not match the start of the 8th pattern then you continue betting against the remaining 2 steps forming the rest of the 8th pattern. This will keep random guessing which way you are going to bet. It may cause more of a rare event than just ALWAYS betting against the last pattern forming.
I am testing this out with good results so far comparable to the 1-2-4 step win/loss ratios. But more testing is required.
Cheers,
Ricky
Interesting Ricky,
So the first step would be our trigger to bet FOR or AGAINST.
ill do some tests.. Get back to you after 20 games.
25 25 21
27 5 9
1 34 36
25 35 1
24 33 8
23 3 14
17 26 12
16 16 30
28 31 26
4 4 17 P8 = HLH
(15) 9 2 (BET AGAINST) win 1st bet- step 2
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 15, 03:56 PM 2018
Hi psimoes,
this theory sounds logical and is just another way to skin this same cat. It allows you to bet a 2 step on the breaking of the pattern. Sometime you'll win, sometimes you'll lose. The trick is to identify how rare this happens. If it is rare you are in a winning position but with only four possibilities of being right or wrong I think long term this may not be enough to overcome random. With only 2 step and ALWAYS betting against the pattern you allow random to get lucky.
I am testing the idea that even with a sequence of 3 you can still bet 2 step but vary you choice of betting FOR or AGAINST the pattern of the last two based on the result of the first in the sequence. If the result is a start of the 8th pattern forming then you continue betting FOR the 8th pattern to complete. If the first result does not match the start of the 8th pattern then you continue betting against the remaining 2 steps forming the rest of the 8th pattern. This will keep random guessing which way you are going to bet. It may cause more of a rare event than just ALWAYS betting against the last pattern forming.
I am testing this out with good results so far comparable to the 1-2-4 step win/loss ratios. But more testing is required.
Cheers,
Ricky
I´m not saying it´s infalibe; nothing in roulette is. It just follows the Pattern Breaker logic. Regarding For / Against, it´s as good as Just For or as Just Against; variance won´t sleep on duty.
If you still search for a Logical way to bet, you might consider something like the following:
In a "normal" situation when the outcome can be:
BB
BR
RR - You´d bet against the remaining RB
BB - WIN - In this case the 1st was a repeat.
Now, in some other situation when the outcome could be:
RB
RR
RB - Here there is another repeat, so why not betting FOR, this time, and you´d in fact be betting AGAINST the overall pattern to form.
The remaining small pattern should either be BB or BR.
B will then be a sure bet, and if you win, the game has ended. If you lose, the next bet is ambiguous, so you´d better wait for another opportunity.
BB
RB
RB - A repeat. Betting For the big pattern to sort of complete in the next two spins, you´ll actually be betting AGAINST, as the pattern will still be broken. Which small pattern would it be?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 14, 08:02 PM 2018
guys,
have you tested this method flatbetting?
i have found a strong pattern but a bit more complex than this and it's showed good result flatbetting.
Can you clarify the strong pattern that you mentioned?
Thanks
Quote from: jsintl on Mar 15, 06:56 PM 2018i have found a strong pattern but a bit more complex than this and it's showed good result flatbetting.
check my new thread, there i wrote some useful information and test's results
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 15, 05:01 PM 2018
I´m not saying it´s infalibe; nothing in roulette is. It just follows the Pattern Breaker logic. Regarding For / Against, it´s as good as Just For or as Just Against; variance won´t sleep on duty.
If you still search for a Logical way to bet, you might consider something like the following:
In a "normal" situation when the outcome can be:
BB
BR
RR - You´d bet against the remaining RB
BB - WIN - In this case the 1st was a repeat.
Now, in some other situation when the outcome could be:
RB
RR
RB - Here there is another repeat, so why not betting FOR, this time, and you´d in fact be betting AGAINST the overall pattern to form.
The remaining small pattern should either be BB or BR.
B will then be a sure bet, and if you win, the game has ended. If you lose, the next bet is ambiguous, so you´d better wait for another opportunity.
BB
RB
RB - A repeat. Betting For the big pattern to sort of complete in the next two spins, you´ll actually be betting AGAINST, as the pattern will still be broken. Which small pattern would it be?
Psimoes,
A couple of points:
1. The way many (actually, most) of us are playing JL's version of PB is that we just wait for the 7th pattern to appear, and then we immediately bet against the 8th pattern over the next 3 spins.
Side note: In recent months, I have started using the 1 2 progression for just the first two spins -- if I lose the first two bets, I just accept a 3 unit loss and I skip the third bet.
And while we are waiting for the first 7 patterns, some of the patterns do repeat, but it does NOT affect our tracking.
In other words, we do NOT care if the first 7 patterns occur with any repeats or not -- as long as the 7 patterns occur (with or without any repeats), we treat it as a valid trigger.
If we wait for a trigger without repeats, the waiting time would normally be so long that the method would not be practical to implement.
2. Regarding your suggestion to bet
either for or against the last remaining pair of the 4 pairs of RR, BB, BR, and RB, I will say that it was an idea that I tested somewhat casually a couple of years ago. The results were so-so and I did not test it further.
But since you have mentioned it now, I think it might be an interesting idea for us to test it thoroughly this time around.
It may have potential.
So thanks for putting it forward.
Hi guys
Just to say that I don't remember the last time I had a loss.
I'm going to 100k before the end of the year. Then I'll go to Vegas.
I'm not misleading, I'm not baiting.
The strategy is working great great great!!!
PS: I made a withdraw of 7k without problem. I requested the withdraw last Sunday and the money was in my bank account on Monday.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 15, 10:08 PM 2018
Hi guys
Just to say that I don't remember the last time I had a loss.
I'm going to 100k before the end of the year. Then I'll go to Vegas.
I'm not misleading, I'm not baiting.
The strategy is working great great great!!!
PS: I made a withdraw of 7k without problem. I requested the withdraw last Sunday and the money was in my bank account on Monday.
Awesome !
Keep up the good work and please keep us updated about your results and any changes to your method (progression, trigger, and other pertinent stuff like that).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 15, 10:20 PM 2018
Awesome !
Keep up the good work and please keep us updated about your results and any changes to your method (progression, trigger, and other pertinent stuff like that).
Thank you Doc!
Ricky
Didi you understand the way I play?
I explained to you yesterday.
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 15, 10:08 PM 2018
Hi guys
Just to say that I don't remember the last time I had a loss.
I'm going to 100k before the end of the year. Then I'll go to Vegas.
I'm not misleading, I'm not baiting.
The strategy is working great great great!!!
PS: I made a withdraw of 7k without problem. I requested the withdraw last Sunday and the money was in my bank account on Monday.
You want to play baccarat for real money. Play where I play - the mecca of bacs. You get lots of dragon, picture and YES !!!
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 15, 03:56 PM 2018
Hi psimoes,
this theory sounds logical and is just another way to skin this same cat. It allows you to bet a 2 step on the breaking of the pattern. Sometime you'll win, sometimes you'll lose. The trick is to identify how rare this happens. If it is rare you are in a winning position but with only four possibilities of being right or wrong I think long term this may not be enough to overcome random. With only 2 step and ALWAYS betting against the pattern you allow random to get lucky.
I am testing the idea that even with a sequence of 3 you can still bet 2 step but vary you choice of betting FOR or AGAINST the pattern of the last two based on the result of the first in the sequence. If the result is a start of the 8th pattern forming then you continue betting FOR the 8th pattern to complete. If the first result does not match the start of the 8th pattern then you continue betting against the remaining 2 steps forming the rest of the 8th pattern. This will keep random guessing which way you are going to bet. It may cause more of a rare event than just ALWAYS betting against the last pattern forming.
I am testing this out with good results so far comparable to the 1-2-4 step win/loss ratios. But more testing is required.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi, I don't post too much but I read this thread every day since beginning.
I like your idea but I apply it in the opposite way you described.
I want tell you why, but let me know if I am wrong.... lol
The use of your technique is to bet 2 times only, instead 3 (1-2-4).
Let's suppose the 8th remaining set is PPB
we wait for the next decision, say P
now if we decided to bet FOR the 8th pattern, we won already the first attempt, instead
if I decided to bet AGAINST, I would have loss my first attempt, so, in this case, I would continue to bet AGAINST for the next 1or 2 decisions as I have had a previous virtual loss.
hope that's clear...
A
Quote from: andrebac on Mar 16, 01:05 AM 2018
Hi, I don't post too much but I read this thread every day since beginning.
I like your idea but I apply it in the opposite way you described.
I want tell you why, but let me know if I am wrong.... lol
The use of your technique is to bet 2 times only, instead 3 (1-2-4).
Let's suppose the 8th remaining set is PPB
we wait for the next decision, say P
now if we decided to bet FOR the 8th pattern, we won already the first attempt, instead
if I decided to bet AGAINST, I would have loss my first attempt, so, in this case, I would continue to bet AGAINST for the next 1or 2 decisions as I have had a previous virtual loss.
hope that's clear...
A
That is another valid way of approaching the decision. This would mean you continue with original PATTERN BREAKER concept and rules and you are saved one loss by virtual betting the first. So the only way you can lose in this case is if the 8th Pattern does follow the 7th
But then what would you decide if your virtual bet won also? Would you stop with a virtual win? With your logic its best to stop and not bet in this session. no loss to bankroll.
As I mentioned the logic I am using is to try to keep random guessing which way I will bet. It is not the same for each game. But it too has its drawback. You could say that you are guessing the way random is going to go - FOR or AGAINST. In any case as long as you stick to the same rules in your decisions you should measure its success or failure over 100 games to see if you come out ahead.
Also you need to decide if you play continuously or hit and run with limited games each day. In terms of this point, I think you can continuously play with a set of daily targets as per Bret Morton's advise. I am starting to use the following guidelines:
Set daily target
1. Set HAPPY POINT - target which you will be happy to reach for the day
2. GOLD-TOP : Target which you are feeling great to have achieved and better than happy
3. BOTTOM-LINE - Target which, after reaching gold-top, you are prepared to stop with should you experience a sudden losing streak after reaching Gold Top
4. LOSS-LIMIT - if you do not make your profit targets and have a bad losing streak this will be your safety net to protect your bankroll and Fighting Fund from ruin
5. JACKPOT - when on a winning streak and exceeding all your profit targets you have hit the JACKPOT which will stop when your winning streak ends. This should not go below GOLD-TOP once reached. So keep betting with your profit and pocket 50% of each win at this point. Once you lose your remaining 50% you stop with your final JACKPOT profit.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 15, 10:27 PM 2018
Ricky
Didi you understand the way I play?
I explained to you yesterday.
Cheers
Hi Andre,
Yes I understand. Also to let you know I only can track two tables. Still using my spreadsheet which includes your patterns (the 4 before you dropped the other 2). Although I have not had many opportunities to bet with your method I am at 100% success (9-0) and with this I am betting bigger for 3 steps starting at first step of pattern. I am getting more opportunities betting original PB with my 0-1-2 progression but have just hit a small losing streak after 50 games (46-4). Fortuniately I came across your method twice and recovered. So What I may decide to do for recovery is to stop betting PB until I have recovered with PB-ANDRE. This sounds like a good compromise of not having to wait too long for a betting opportunity and using a solid bet selection when required to recover. Also note I am starting at the beginning of the shoe and enter the entire history into my spreadsheet and then continue tracking. This reduces the time to wait for a betting opportunity. In doing so, each time I came across a bet meeting your criteria I checked to see if I would have won. I missed around 5 opportunities so far. Each one of them would have resulted in a WIN. So I am feeling confident about using your method. When I have an opportunity to track 6 tables I may switch to your version for a while as it is quite reliable.
How are you going? Come across any losses so far?
AMENDMENT: Just ready your latest post. Obviously no losses. Congratulations. WOW 7K withdrawal excellent result. I better get a move on so I can join you in Vegas. :)
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 15, 10:08 PM 2018
Hi guys
Just to say that I don't remember the last time I had a loss.
I'm going to 100k before the end of the year. Then I'll go to Vegas.
I'm not misleading, I'm not baiting.
Hey Andre,
How many BR units do you recommend for your 1 1 3 6 progression?
Thanks,
The strategy is working great great great!!!
PS: I made a withdraw of 7k without problem. I requested the withdraw last Sunday and the money was in my bank account on Monday.
Quote from: cht on Mar 15, 11:52 PM 2018
You want to play baccarat for real money. Play where I play - the mecca of bacs. You get lots of dragon, picture and YES !!!
Wow
Where is this casino located ?
It looks very clean and attractive.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 16, 07:26 AM 2018
Wow
Where is this casino located ?
It looks very clean and attractive.
Macau (or Macao) -- ever heard of it?
If not, ask your computer simulations to figure out what the probable locations are of this mysterious place that is so clean and attractive to your eyes.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 16, 02:24 AM 2018
That is another valid way of approaching the decision. This would mean you continue with original PATTERN BREAKER concept and rules and you are saved one loss by virtual betting the first. So the only way you can lose in this case is if the 8th Pattern does follow the 7th
But then what would you decide if your virtual bet won also? Would you stop with a virtual win? With your logic its best to stop and not bet in this session. no loss to bankroll.
As I mentioned the logic I am using is to try to keep random guessing which way I will bet. It is not the same for each game. But it too has its drawback. You could say that you are guessing the way random is going to go - FOR or AGAINST. In any case as long as you stick to the same rules in your decisions you should measure its success or failure over 100 games to see if you come out ahead.
Also you need to decide if you play continuously or hit and run with limited games each day. In terms of this point, I think you can continuously play with a set of daily targets as per Bret Morton's advise. I am starting to use the following guidelines:
Set daily target
1. Set HAPPY POINT - target which you will be happy to reach for the day
2. GOLD-TOP : Target which you are feeling great to have achieved and better than happy
3. BOTTOM-LINE - Target which, after reaching gold-top, you are prepared to stop with should you experience a sudden losing streak after reaching Gold Top
4. LOSS-LIMIT - if you do not make your profit targets and have a bad losing streak this will be your safety net to protect your bankroll and Fighting Fund from ruin
5. JACKPOT - when on a winning streak and exceeding all your profit targets you have hit the JACKPOT which will stop when your winning streak ends. This should not go below GOLD-TOP once reached. So keep betting with your profit and pocket 50% of each win at this point. Once you lose your remaining 50% you stop with your final JACKPOT profit.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
I have to commend you for proposing this for-or-against a rare pattern approach that you have proposed. Normally, when we are playing rare patterns-based methods, we bet against such patterns.
But you have shown that it might be a good idea to keep an open mind and to sometimes bet for such patterns -- should the first virtual bet tell you to do so. Kudos to you for suggesting this novel idea !
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 16, 03:05 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
Yes I understand. Also to let you know I only can track two tables. Still using my spreadsheet which includes your patterns (the 4 before you dropped the other 2). Although I have not had many opportunities to bet with your method I am at 100% success (9-0) and with this I am betting bigger for 3 steps starting at first step of pattern. I am getting more opportunities betting original PB with my 0-1-2 progression but have just hit a small losing streak after 50 games (46-4). Fortuniately I came across your method twice and recovered. So What I may decide to do for recovery is to stop betting PB until I have recovered with PB-ANDRE. This sounds like a good compromise of not having to wait too long for a betting opportunity and using a solid bet selection when required to recover. Also note I am starting at the beginning of the shoe and enter the entire history into my spreadsheet and then continue tracking. This reduces the time to wait for a betting opportunity. In doing so, each time I came across a bet meeting your criteria I checked to see if I would have won. I missed around 5 opportunities so far. Each one of them would have resulted in a WIN. So I am feeling confident about using your method. When I have an opportunity to track 6 tables I may switch to your version for a while as it is quite reliable.
How are you going? Come across any losses so far?
AMENDMENT: Just ready your latest post. Obviously no losses. Congratulations. WOW 7K withdrawal excellent result. I better get a move on so I can join you in Vegas. :)
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
maybe I have not been clear enough.
The forst decision state me to bet FOR or AGAINST the 8th set, whichever lose that virtual bet.
IE. 8th set is BPB
-next set start with B, in this case, if I bet FOR, I win that bet, but if I bet AGAINST I lost my first bet, so I bet the two remaining AGAINST (-B-P)
if instead, always 8th set is BPB
- next set start with P, here if I bet AGAINST, I win that bet but if I bet FOR, I lose my first virtual bet and continue betting with FOR 8th set (so -P-B)
In brief, you take the decision to bet FOR or AGAINST the 8th set looking at the first loss, that you skipped as it's a virtual bet and continue betting it for the next one or two decisions.
A
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 16, 07:44 AM 2018
Ricky,
I have to commend you for proposing this for-or-against a rare pattern approach that you have proposed. Normally, when we are playing rare patterns-based methods, we bet against such patterns.
But you have shown that it might be a good idea to keep an open mind and to sometimes bet for such patterns -- should the first virtual bet tell you to do so. Kudos to you for suggesting this novel idea !
Hi Doctor,
if you liked that idea please let me know what you think of this proposition.
What do we know about PATTERN BREAKER and the winning distribution.
1. We know it wins MOST of the time. And for Andre it seems ALL of the time so far. Maybe HG territory.
2. We know it wins most of the time in step 1 and 2 but sometimes gets pushed to 3rd step and ultimately loses occasionally.
Now, this to me is not 50/50 distribution of wins/losses. This is more like 40/40/10/10 where these represent % of times won in first step vs second step vs third step vs loss.
So, how about this for a betting progression that maximizes the profit on the steps which are winning and minimizes the loss on the steps that are losing or losing altogether
I have not done the sums yet and its probably a crappy idea but thought I would throuw it out there for discussion of its merits.
1. Well what if we setup 3 Reverse Labouchere sequences
Step 1 Bet Step 2 Bet Step 3 bet
1 + 1 + 1 + 1 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
2. Now we bet Step one when we get the trigger
Say BBP is the last pattern we are betting AGAINST
we bet 1 + 1 = 2 on "P"
3. If it loses we cross off the 1st and last numbers in the sequence
Resulting Sequence for Step 1 after a loss is 1 + 1
If it wins great. We are up 2 units. We add 2 to the end of the sequence for Step 1
Resulting Sequence for Step 2 is 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 and we stop the session with a win
4. If we need to bet the 2nd Step we do not use Marty but we use the Labouchere sequence for Step 2
We bet 1 + 1 = 2 units on "P"
If that wins Great. We have won 2 units but lost 2 on the first step so we are break even. But we do the same. We add the 2 to the end of the second step sequence
Resulting Sequence for Step 2 is 1 + 1 + 1 +1 + 2
If we lose we cross off the 1st and last numbers in the sequence and go to the third step
Resulting Sequence for Step 2 after a loss is 1 + 1
5. If we need to bet the 3rd Step we do not use Marty again but we use the Labouchere sequence for Step 3
We bet 1 + 1 = 2 units on "B"
If that wins Great. We have won 2 units but lost 4 on the first and second steps so we are -2 units. But we do the same. We add the 2 to the end of the third step sequence
Resulting Sequence for Step 3 is 1 + 1 + 1 +1 + 2
If we lose we cross off the 1st and last numbers in the sequence and stop with a -6 loss
Resulting Sequence for Step 3 after a loss is 1 + 1
So assuming a win on the 1st step the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2
Step 2 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
Step 3 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
If we win on the 2nd Step the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1
Step 2 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2
Step 3 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
If we win on the 3rd Step the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1
Step 2 : 1 + 1
Step 3 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2
If we lose all three bets the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1
Step 2 : 1 + 1
Step 3 : 1 + 1
Now on the next trigger we repeat the process betting the respective sequence as per a Reverse Labouchere bet.
No the theory behind this is that we are seeing long winning streaks. And they seem to usually come in the 1st and 2nd steps. So if this is the case then the first two sequences are going to form long growing sequences which will dictate how much we bet at each point in the sequence. If we start getting a long losing streak then we are going to be crossing off these sequences quite rapidly and we will start betting less not more during these periods.
But if we start getting long winning streaks we are going to start betting more during these periods. Now the only thing I can think of is that we get an even balance or chop between 1st and 2nd steps and therefore one sequence of bets will counter the other and we will never grow our profit.
So I would be interest to hear from anyone if this idea holds water given what we know about the success of PATTERNBREAKER and if we can tweak this idea to optimize the positive progression.
Cheers,
Ricky
To Andre Chass:
I checked your patterns in my database with these results:
out of 30 attacks I got this:
+ n.14
-+ n.8
--+ n.4
---+ n. 3
---- n.1 (busted)
to your experience, you think that they match your performances?
I must say that I don't track ties, so maybe this could effect my results a bit...
Quote from: andrebac on Mar 16, 08:03 AM 2018
Ricky,
maybe I have not been clear enough.
The forst decision state me to bet FOR or AGAINST the 8th set, whichever lose that virtual bet.
IE. 8th set is BPB
-next set start with B, in this case, if I bet FOR, I win that bet, but if I bet AGAINST I lost my first bet, so I bet the two remaining AGAINST (-B-P)
if instead, always 8th set is BPB
- next set start with P, here if I bet AGAINST, I win that bet but if I bet FOR, I lose my first virtual bet and continue betting with FOR 8th set (so -P-B)
In brief, you take the decision to bet FOR or AGAINST the 8th set looking at the first loss, that you skipped as it's a virtual bet and continue betting it for the next one or two decisions.
A
Hi Andre,
you are absolutely right. This is more logical than the way I am playing it. So if your intention was to bet FOR the pattern and it did not match, you would keep betting FOR the pattern. So the only way you can lose is for the complete opposite the 8th pattern to result. So if your virtual bet is a loss assuming you were betting FOR then you continue betting FOR.
The same logic is applied for the AGAINST case. If you were betting AGAINST and the result was AGAINST the 8th Pattern on your virtual bet then you would have won using the AGAINST the 8th Pattern. So now you continue betting next 2 bets AGAINST the 8th Pattern. The only way you can lose is for the next two results to match the 8th pattern even though the first result did not match. I will start using this logic as it makes more consistent sense. But either way I think over long term 100 sessions we should get same win/loss ratio.
PS. the other alternative is to go back to the 3 step with a safer progression including a positive progression option. I have summarized an idea using the Reverse Labouchere method. Hoping it holds water because it meets my idea of using positive as well as negative progressions to take advantage of winning streaks and minimize losses in losing streaks.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: andrebac on Mar 16, 09:41 AM 2018
To Andre Chass:
I checked your patterns in my database with these results:
out of 30 attacks I got this:
+ n.14
-+ n.8
--+ n.4
---+ n. 3
---- n.1 (busted)
to your experience, you think that they match your performances?
I must say that I don't track ties, so maybe this could effect my results a bit...
Quote from: andrebac on Mar 16, 09:41 AM 2018
To Andre Chass:
I checked your patterns in my database with these results:
out of 30 attacks I got this:
+ n.14
-+ n.8
--+ n.4
---+ n. 3
---- n.1 (busted)
to your experience, you think that they match your performances?
I must say that I don't track ties, so maybe this could effect my results a bit...
Firstly what does the above result mean +n.14 etc
Secondly, my experience is Tie actually impacts results so you should reset tracking when you see it. Also when you are betting and tie comes up I am not sure how to continue. I think Andre treats it as a loss and stops betting
Cheers,
Ricky
Hey, guys, I did try the small pattern of PP BB PB BP and lost but I played with the pattern not against it, but it is much faster.
PP
BB
PB
BP
Are the above correct guys or is their more????
Stuart
I did some more testing with the small pattern and I like it did anybody else try to test a bit on real live baccarat results, not fake RNG.
If I win on the first try I retract and play again.
PP
BB
PB
BP
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 16, 07:38 PM 2018
I did some more testing with the small pattern and I like it did anybody else try to test a bit on real live baccarat results, not fake RNG.
If I win on the first try I retract and play again.
PP
BB
PB
BP
Stuart
Stuart,
You can come up with any way of playing it.
The simplest way is to wait for three consecutive pairs -- and then bet against the last pair.
So if you get
BB
BP
PP
Bet against PB. You get the picture.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 16, 08:34 AM 2018
Hi Doctor,
if you liked that idea please let me know what you think of this proposition.
What do we know about PATTERN BREAKER and the winning distribution.
1. We know it wins MOST of the time. And for Andre it seems ALL of the time so far. Maybe HG territory.
2. We know it wins most of the time in step 1 and 2 but sometimes gets pushed to 3rd step and ultimately loses occasionally.
Now, this to me is not 50/50 distribution of wins/losses. This is more like 40/40/10/10 where these represent % of times won in first step vs second step vs third step vs loss.
So, how about this for a betting progression that maximizes the profit on the steps which are winning and minimizes the loss on the steps that are losing or losing altogether
I have not done the sums yet and its probably a crappy idea but thought I would throuw it out there for discussion of its merits.
1. Well what if we setup 3 Reverse Labouchere sequences
Step 1 Bet Step 2 Bet Step 3 bet
1 + 1 + 1 + 1 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
2. Now we bet Step one when we get the trigger
Say BBP is the last pattern we are betting AGAINST
we bet 1 + 1 = 2 on "P"
3. If it loses we cross off the 1st and last numbers in the sequence
Resulting Sequence for Step 1 after a loss is 1 + 1
If it wins great. We are up 2 units. We add 2 to the end of the sequence for Step 1
Resulting Sequence for Step 2 is 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 and we stop the session with a win
4. If we need to bet the 2nd Step we do not use Marty but we use the Labouchere sequence for Step 2
We bet 1 + 1 = 2 units on "P"
If that wins Great. We have won 2 units but lost 2 on the first step so we are break even. But we do the same. We add the 2 to the end of the second step sequence
Resulting Sequence for Step 2 is 1 + 1 + 1 +1 + 2
If we lose we cross off the 1st and last numbers in the sequence and go to the third step
Resulting Sequence for Step 2 after a loss is 1 + 1
5. If we need to bet the 3rd Step we do not use Marty again but we use the Labouchere sequence for Step 3
We bet 1 + 1 = 2 units on "B"
If that wins Great. We have won 2 units but lost 4 on the first and second steps so we are -2 units. But we do the same. We add the 2 to the end of the third step sequence
Resulting Sequence for Step 3 is 1 + 1 + 1 +1 + 2
If we lose we cross off the 1st and last numbers in the sequence and stop with a -6 loss
Resulting Sequence for Step 3 after a loss is 1 + 1
So assuming a win on the 1st step the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2
Step 2 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
Step 3 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
If we win on the 2nd Step the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1
Step 2 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2
Step 3 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1
If we win on the 3rd Step the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1
Step 2 : 1 + 1
Step 3 : 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2
If we lose all three bets the three sequences are:
Step 1 : 1 + 1
Step 2 : 1 + 1
Step 3 : 1 + 1
Now on the next trigger we repeat the process betting the respective sequence as per a Reverse Labouchere bet.
No the theory behind this is that we are seeing long winning streaks. And they seem to usually come in the 1st and 2nd steps. So if this is the case then the first two sequences are going to form long growing sequences which will dictate how much we bet at each point in the sequence. If we start getting a long losing streak then we are going to be crossing off these sequences quite rapidly and we will start betting less not more during these periods.
But if we start getting long winning streaks we are going to start betting more during these periods. Now the only thing I can think of is that we get an even balance or chop between 1st and 2nd steps and therefore one sequence of bets will counter the other and we will never grow our profit.
So I would be interest to hear from anyone if this idea holds water given what we know about the success of PATTERNBREAKER and if we can tweak this idea to optimize the positive progression.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
I am not very keen on Labouchere. Sorry -- things can easily spin out of control.
Same with the Fibonacci. I nowadays don't use it at all.
D'Alembert and its opposite, Contra D'Alembert, are little bit more palatable -- at least from my perspective.
But even then some stop loss is required, otherwise a losing streak can get you into a deep hole.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 16, 11:20 AM 2018
Firstly what does the above result mean +n.14 etc
Secondly, my experience is Tie actually impacts results so you should reset tracking when you see it. Also when you are betting and tie comes up I am not sure how to continue. I think Andre treats it as a loss and stops betting
Cheers,
Ricky
+ means winning the first attempt
-+ means winning the second attempt, etc
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 16, 09:49 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
you are absolutely right. This is more logical than the way I am playing it. So if your intention was to bet FOR the pattern and it did not match, you would keep betting FOR the pattern. So the only way you can lose is for the complete opposite the 8th pattern to result. So if your virtual bet is a loss assuming you were betting FOR then you continue betting FOR.
The same logic is applied for the AGAINST case. If you were betting AGAINST and the result was AGAINST the 8th Pattern on your virtual bet then you would have won using the AGAINST the 8th Pattern. So now you continue betting next 2 bets AGAINST the 8th Pattern. The only way you can lose is for the next two results to match the 8th pattern even though the first result did not match. I will start using this logic as it makes more consistent sense. But either way I think over long term 100 sessions we should get same win/loss ratio.
PS. the other alternative is to go back to the 3 step with a safer progression including a positive progression option. I have summarized an idea using the Reverse Labouchere method. Hoping it holds water because it meets my idea of using positive as well as negative progressions to take advantage of winning streaks and minimize losses in losing streaks.
Cheers,
Ricky
quote]
I think too that on the long term it doesn't change too much, anyway, with my way, we start with a virtual loss, and this decides betting FOR or AGAINST the 8th pattern.
when the first loss is on FOR, we bet the next two steps FOR.
when the first loss is on AGAINST, we bet the next two steps AGAINST.
The logic is to start with a virtual loss, so to deploy a two steps progression
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 15, 10:08 PM 2018
PS: I made a withdraw of 7k without problem. I requested the withdraw last Sunday and the money was in my bank account on Monday.
8)
@Sentinel, May I know what happened to this system of yours, that you were winning for 11 years?
link:s://:.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/how-to-win-at-roulette.42235/
Seems to me his every system serve him for 11 yr
Quote from: mohitomish on Mar 17, 02:36 AM 2018
@Sentinel, May I know what happened to this system of yours, that you were winning for 11 years?
link:s://:.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/how-to-win-at-roulette.42235/
Yes what happened was PATTERN BREAKER. I only stay with the strongest systems. And pattern breaker proved to be the strongest of them all. Theres a reason I wait for 8 patterns of three. And not 4 patterns of 2 Etc. And time will teach those who lack PATIENCE that.
I tried them ALL in creating the 8x3 concept. And the 8X3 concept proved to be perfection in the LONG RUN.
FOR TWO REASONS.
One winning streaks of 30 plus in a row were possible. Two LOSING STREAKS of two in a row were seodom. The 4X2 Is all very well until you run into a nightmare string of losses. Where you lose 3 or 4 games in a row. And get that pisses off churning in your gut.
And confidence shattered.
8X3 sets a code random doesnt like norwant to deal with. Many of you for lack of patience are trying to reinvent the wheel.
They all sparkle for a while. Then when random shows its teeth. You will know why thw 8X3 within a 100 game set. Is ajd always will be THE ONE for me.
It NEVER lets me down.
Look, that a rational sequence rarely happens, is a fact and documented elsewhere. And random sequences are anything but rational. OK.
Now for the sake of simplicity, where say PPP PPB PBP etc are our sets of three, numbered from 1 to 8, in a collection of 24 bac decisions rarely you will see 5 4 6 2 3 1 8 7, or 6 4 3 8 2 5 7 1, or 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 etc.
I'm on the phone, so part two following up in a few.
Most of the time you will find something like 1 4 4 8 7 7 7 4. That is a broken pattern right there.
The pattern to be broken doesn't have to be on the eigth set of three, it can be broken anywhere inside 24 decisions in a row that constitute your eight sets of three.
No logic in discarding the sets that repeat. You can' t catch the tracking 44 spins later. That contradicts the principle.
To Baccarat players/fans:
everybody knows that in roulette we can have past spins to verify any systsem's performance, in Baccarat how can you verify system performance?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 16, 09:36 PM 2018
Ricky,
I am not very keen on Labouchere. Sorry -- things can easily spin out of control.
Same with the Fibonacci. I nowadays don't use it at all.
D'Alembert and its opposite, Contra D'Alembert, are little bit more palatable -- at least from my perspective.
But even then some stop loss is required, otherwise a losing streak can get you into a deep hole.
Thanks for the feedback. I did sday it could be a crappy idea. In my own testing I quickly saw the flaw in the idea. I will park it and think a bit more. But in the end we may just have to live with the simple 2 or 3 step progression to make our profit
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 17, 05:55 AM 2018
To Baccarat players/fans:
everybody knows that in roulette we can have past spins to verify any systsem's performance, in Baccarat how can you verify system performance?
Any idea?
flip a coin heads or tails..............
Pattern Breaker on dozens, JL style:
11 12 13 21 22 23 31 32 33
Track dozens in sets of two and bet against the 9th set.
PB on dozens, quick but complicated way:
11 12 22 21
Where 1 is one dozen 2 is two dozens. Or columns. Whichever pattern fits first. If you attribute 1 to dozen 3, dozens 1 and 2 will be attributed the number 2.
Example:
35 20 3 26 30 10 for dozens
If 1 is for dz3 and 2 for dzs 1 and 2, the sets to track will be
12 21 12 a repeat. No good.
But if 1 for dz1 and 2 for dzs2 and 3, then
22 12 21. Playable. The 4th set being 11, bet against it, by betting dzs 2 and 3.
Ok, guys put 100 dollars in lets Bet Phoenix Arizona is very hot lol.............. lets see how PB does with the old patience and Discipline they did offer me a 150 bonus but I declined I would have to play like 2000 dollars in all to get back 150 of the bonus.
Stuart
More outcomes, tracking the columns:
7 14 7 10 29 18 - A B A A B C
If we attribute 1 to, say, column A and 2 to columns B and C, we have
12 11 22. GOOD. The remaining set would be 21. Or B+C followed by A. Betting against the set would mean betting on the single column 1. and if a lost, on the next spin betting on the double columns B and C.
Each time you bet against a 2, you bet on a single column, or dozen. Each time you bet against a 1, you bet on the double dozens or columns.
Quote from: Apolloo on Feb 06, 10:04 AM 2018
Hi everyone.
Iv been testing this PB system but on the Dozens and columns.
The patterns im using are
Dozens. Columns
AAA. 111
BBB. 222
CCC. 333
Wait until we have crossed off two of the patterns. Then bet for the last pattern not to show on the next set of 3 spins.
Only betting 1-1, 3-3. (8u loss)
________
My tests so far:
Games played = 30
1st W = 16 times
2nd. LW = 12 times
LOSS. LLW+LLL = 2 times
Bankroll = +14
________
Examples
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (06:30 - 08:40)
2 19 24
29 5 35 *222
34 4 17
15 8 22
1 14 27
9 34 3
34 19 2
31 36 22
3 11 28
12 7 14
23 24 29
25 2 9
29 15 6
13 10 23
1 19 5
5 1 16
28 31 12
8 5 30
26 27 33 *CCC
22 5 15
28 17 24.
29 36 13.
1 24 24
10 24 4
4 25 18
31 35 18
29 18 19
29 12 13
5 9 5. *AAA. Bet a+c
14 2 8 (W+1)
8 24 36
12 24 36. *333 bet 2+3
29 29 26 (W+1)
13 4 31
34 33 23
9 5 16
25 35 35
(+2u)
______________
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:45 - 10:55)
23 24 21 *BBB
33 36 30 *CCC *333 (trig bet C+B)
28 31 19 *111 W+1. (trig bet 1+3)
10 5 26 W+1
+2u
__________
Thanks
Hi Psimoes,
This holds up pritty well for a 2 step bet (8u risk)
Cheers
Thanks for sharing.
The real Pattern Breaker, when properly played, seems to bea more scientific approach.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 17, 06:07 PM 2018
Thanks for sharing.
The real Pattern Breaker, when properly played, seems to bea more scientific approach.
I agree.. Just if wanting to play on dozens it good approach
Phoenix is doing well with PB so far real money, what is the figure we have come out with for the wins to losses with PB for baccarat?????
I thought it was ten wins to one loss on baccarat, has anybody did just flat bet and just play 60 minutes a day then stop.
I had one pattern that did not come up all the time I played it was PBP so I was playing BPB.
If this holds up to being 1 loss in 10 games that is great.
No greed just a small profit.
I stop on a win and retract.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 18, 02:38 AM 2018
Phoenix is doing well with PB so far real money, what is the figure we have come out with for the wins to losses with PB for baccarat?????
I thought it was ten wins to one loss on baccarat, has anybody did just flat bet and just play 60 minutes a day then stop.
I had one pattern that did not come up all the time I played it was PBP so I was playing BPB.
If this holds up to being 1 loss in 10 games that is great.
No greed just a small profit.
I stop on a win and retract.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 18, 02:38 AM 2018A B A A B C
Hi Bikemotorman,
Flatbetting will get you ahead with PB or PB Andre version but it is a real grind. Best to have a simple 2 or 3 step progression to GUARANTEE your profits move ahead with your wins. Attached is my win/loss so far after 5 days playing max 10 games a day. 62 games played with 209 euro profit most was a 2 step progression. Did some experimenting with progressions toward the end but lost some profit. Will stick to 0-1-2 or 1-1-3 for Andre version. I have not lost one session yet playing PB Andre version but not many opportunities to bet. Sessions went continuously some days for up to 4 hours straight. Bet getting tiring so now testing is over I will start playing sparingly for higher units.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 18, 04:13 AM 2018
Hi Bikemotorman,
Flatbetting will get you ahead with PB or PB Andre version but it is a real grind. Best to have a simple 2 or 3 step progression to GUARANTEE your profits move ahead with your wins. Attached is my win/loss so far after 5 days playing max 10 games a day. 62 games played with 209 euro profit most was a 2 step progression. Did some experimenting with progressions toward the end but lost some profit. Will stick to 0-1-2 or 1-1-3 for Andre version. I have not lost one session yet playing PB Andre version but not many opportunities to bet. Sessions went continuously some days for up to 4 hours straight. Bet getting tiring so now testing is over I will start playing sparingly for higher units.
Cheers,
Ricky
I'm a regular b&m player, I highlighted this problem earlier.
Leicester vs. Chelsea - England FA Cup - today, 16:30 GMT
+/- 2.5 goals H2H recent history:
1-1
2-4
3-0
0-3
1-2
0-0
-+ ++ +- 4th set is --, so bet ++
Wish me luck
Italy Serie A
Sampdoria vs Inter - today 11:30 GMT
H2H
1-0 1-1 - -
3-1 1-0 + -
1-2 3-2 ++
bet + -
Spain - La Liga
Celta Vigo vs Malaga - today, 17:30
1-0 2-0
1-0 3-1
3-0 2-1
- -
- +
+ +
bet - +
Germany Bundesliga - Dortmund vs Hannover - 12:30
0-3 0-1
2-3 2-4
1-0 4-2
+ -
+ +
- +
bet + +
Quote from: cht on Mar 18, 04:34 AM 2018
I'm a regular b&m player, I highlighted this problem earlier.
Hi CHT,
agree on traditional BM Baccarat. Although with history boards you can quickly track several tables and note down the patterns. Using traditional PB you can then watch the tables that are close to the 7th pattern closing. It speeds things up. But as each hand is around 2 minutes it requires real PATIENCE. But if you are only making 5 bets at any one visit for a high unit value it is worth the wait. At my BM casino they also have Rapid Baccarat which uses the electronic tables and hand dealt in less than 30 seconds. Although as I have found out the Banker payout is 50% of your bet if Banker win is 6. So the best approach here is only bet if second and third step are player bet or accept the risk of only winning 50% on banker bet.
But PB is playable on this form of Baccarat including Andre's version but due to its nature these opportunities require PATIENCE, and as always if you do not have it you are risking losing your bankroll and/or profit. I am slowly learning this fact as well as having the DISCIPLINE to stick with the one system and not chop and change methods. This is what has gotten me undone a few times. Trying to stick to what I know works and it is paying dividends.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 18, 04:41 AM 2018
Leicester vs. Chelsea - England FA Cup - today, 16:30 GMT
+/- 2.5 goals H2H recent history:
1-1
2-4
3-0
0-3
1-2
0-0
-+ ++ +- 4th set is --, so bet ++
Wish me luck
Extra time. A pseudowin here. Feels like a "moral victory".
The Serie A was a win.
The Bundesliga was a loss. Next match for a marty probably only next season. Meh.
La Liga - looking good (0-0) at half time.
Celta vs Malaga was a win.
Next time I'll avoid the national and league cups as well CL and EL later stages where teams aim to score past FT.
Also, betting on just a single fixture at a time might be a good idea, allowing for mild progressions.
Hi all,
I have been doing some testing to cater for those members who do not have the PATIENCE to wait for an opportunity to bet AFTER all 7 patterns have appeared or after finding BPP BPP BP or PBB PBB BP appear in Baccarat.
I have attached my updated spreadsheet showing my results after 67 games. Although I am learning to have the patience and am now betting high base units to get a win I have been testing the Jay Silva FORMULA that I have linked to link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg193120#msg193120 (link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.msg193120#msg193120)
I must admit the method of progression he describes does work well if you have more wins than losses. As per most negative progressions there are downsides. The only real way to benefit from a limited negative progression is to do what some here on this forum do and that is to bet BIG sparingly for a maximum of 10 bets a day on a method you know has an EXTREMELY high chance of success. This is of course PATTERN BREAKER and as I am finding PB ANDRE version. I can't explain that phenomena yet but BPP and PBB do not seem to repeat 4 times or more in any Baccarat shoe I have played since tracking. Maybe coincidence but anyone else can show many failures of this I would be please to know.
Ok, now for those who cannot wait this long and want to place a bet more often to try to get ahead. First thing is to watch the video mentioned in the link to explain the FORMULA. You can ignore the rest of his video on the betting method he uses because I think its just too complicated for the average Joe.
But the betting method I am starting to use to test out the progression is based on PATTERN BREAKER. The rules I use are described in the Game Record Tab but I have mentioned below
Rules are:
RULE 1: ONLY bet when a pattern has ONE choice of matching in the next hand or beginning to repeat an already matched pattern.
Bet AGAINST the next hand matching a NEW pattern with count "0".
RULE 2: Define what you wish to use for Base Units : 1, 10,100, 1000 euro etc. For testing I have been using 1 euro. This suits a bankroll for 500 euro. But as always use Base Units relative to your Bankroll.
Start Betting at F2 with 2 times your base bet. In my case I started betting with 2 euro.
Go UP on a LOSS and DOWN on a WIN. Progression is F2 F4 F5 F8. (number of times your Base Unit). If you are on a losing streak and lose on F8 you have lost 19 units. You need to stop progression and restart at F2. You should be able to sustain this number of losses for 3 times at a total cost of 57 units so make sure your bankroll is at least this but recommended to be more. Size your Base Units accordingly.
When WON on BASE 1 go to the LADDER step First L2
As you keep winning without a loss Keep going up the LADDER (L2 L1 L2 L3 L4 L5 number of times your Base Unit)
When you LOSE a bet while on the LADDER go back to base to the Start at F2. The higher you went up the ladder without losing the more profit you made. You are guaranteed to be in + units at this point.
Keep track of each shoe separately. ie if one shoe is on a winning streak an the other on a losing streak do not mix progression levels between shoes. In effect I recommend maintaining two separate bankrolls for this or just bet on one shoe at a time.
Go up and down the steps as each shoe generates wins/losses. To repeat the rule - only bet when there is only one decision left to be made whether a sequence will start repeating or will begin to close off a new pattern that has not yet completed.
At end of the shoe note which step you ended on to start at this level on next shoe. I have been using an X in the current level as I am betting on the shoe. The Idea is to try to get more wins than loses and take advantage of winning streaks where patterns begin to repeat many times before closing off to the 8th pattern. Useful for betting while waiting for the opportunity to bet against the last pattern. I recommend using smaller base units than that used to bet FOR/AGAINST the 8th pattern. Eg I use 1 euro for these bets but then 25 euro when finally betting on the last patter not to repeat. Hopefully you should get a bonus win before the end of the shoe in case 7th pattern does not close or no betting opportunities exist for BP ANDRE version. I have had this case a few times where the cards run out as there have been many ties and/or repeats of patterns. Frustrating if you weren't betting at all while waiting. But there I go again, showing IMPATIENCE.
Let me know what you think of this idea. It has not been negative to my bankroll yet and gives me and extra 10 or 20 euro while I am waiting. Obviously if I increased my Base Units I increase risk but also reward and possibly reach my profit target for the day sooner. But, even though the betting method still meets my criteria of using the closure of patterns as my trigger, it is going to have high risk of getting more losses. As JL keeps saying the success of a system is all about the number of WINS/LOSSES in 100 games so PATIENCE is always going to win in the end.
Let me know if you need further explanation on the FORMULA progression rules ( essentially has a limited Martingale/D'Alembert progression while losing and a nice Positive Progression to capture some winning streaks). For detailed explanation Jay's video explains it well.
PS. The alternative to betting using the above rules I mentioned is just to WAIT for the 8th PATTERN to remain or the repeating PBB/BPP and then use the FORMULA as an alternative to the 1-2-4 progression. If you get a lot of wins on the 1st step you will find you get onto the LADDER and are able to increase your bet size accordingly.
And to summarize with the PATTERNS BREAKER specific betting only I am now 62-5. And Andre's version 14-0. Another 38 games to go.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
I became a member a while ago but am on leave from work and wanted to catch up on the forum. Have read a couple of posts and the Patternbreaker is rather impressive.
Was hoping you could point me in the direction of Andres revised PB for Baccarat.
Would be very much appreciated and thank you as well.
Do you live in Australia.
BW
Here's my update after 92 games playing PB/PB ANDRE on Baccarat and now my BOT
Only 8 games to go. Currently at 82-10 with 285 euro profit. This equates to 8:1 win/loss ratio which seems comparable to to what others have achieved. Also not I have started to deploy 2 step progression and in my bot have settled on 1/2/0 rather than coding the FOR/AGAINST logic. But What I have coded is a check to only bet when the 7th pattern closes in less than 33 spins. Originally had it at 27 spins but found that too tight with few betting opportunities. If I start getting more losses I may push that back down to 27 or 30 spins. Also, I am ignoring the Zero in my sequences. I may review this as it too has an influence on the sequences that close and the final bets made. As I am not ignoring Tie in Baccarat it may make sense to do this for consistency with methods.
I will play next 8 games tomorrow using my BOT. and provide the final 100 game result.
As you can see in the history, I started getting pretty aggressive in number of games played. But they were for low units so happy to test it out. Once my bankroll improves together with my confidence I will start increasing the Base Bets to 15-20 euro and play less games per day. This will provide equivalent profit with less exposure.
Cheers,
Ricky.
Ricky,
Are you playing standard pattern breaker on baccarat?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 19, 11:17 AM 2018
Ricky,
Are you playing standard pattern breaker on baccarat?
Hi RG,
I'm playing both PB and Andre's version of looking for PBB and BPP repeating 3.5 times before betting AGAINST the pattern not repeating 4 times.
So if you look at my spreadsheet I have coded both systems in the tracking. When either trigger hits I start betting. If all 7 patterns close leaving the last I bet AGAINST that pattern. But where I have been experimenting is in the progressions. Originally started with 1-2-4. But as others have identified why got to the 3rd step and risk having to recover when you can just do a 1-2. As I never liked not knowing if I would have won the 3rd step if losing the first two I played around with some rules to bet FOR or AGAINST the last pattern based on a virtual bet on the first. In manual play for Baccarat I use this 2 step rule. It has a similar hit rate as a 1-2 as most wins I find come on the first or second step. Rarely do I see the 3rd but it does happen. So depending on your confidence in the system and level of risk tolerance the choice is yours.
As in my recent post I am also experimenting with the FORMULA betting progression invented by Jay Silva. I found it to be quite useful when betting small amounts against the remaining patterns closing while you are waiting for that solitary bet. So the losses do not get to far away from your bankroll but if you get a lot of repeated patterns then that helps your bankroll. But the FORMULA is actually useful if you just want to use this progression in place of the 1-2-4 and bet on all 3 steps. It is a D'Alembert style progression so it dictates your next bet if you lose a game betting just PB. Your next game dosn't just start at 1 unit again. It starts where you left off from the last game. So your maximum risk would be 57 units over 12 losses in a row. With the success of PB we do not see 5 losses in a row let alone 12. Its usually a loss on the first and then win on the second. So thats 1 loss 1 win which puts you in positive units for that game. You would need to have many games hitting the 3 steps back to back with several losses to clock up 12 losses. I do not see this happening. So, unless you are as confident as the likes of Sentinel who employ the 1-2-4 progression this can be a safer alternative if you want to bet all 3 steps. It also caters for a winning streak by allowing you to increase your bets when you do not experience a losing hand. The alternative to this would be you deciding to increase your base bets based on your bankroll.
PS. with my BOT which just experienced a 3 unit loss I tested the success of betting on E/C BR, HL,OE while waiting for the patterns to close and was able to claw back 2 units(10 euro) with 1 euro bets (my normal base bet is 5 euro) by betting the following rules similar to what I described for Baccarat.
RULE while waiting for a pattern to close say the wheel spins 25R which is a R,O,H result. Say you had RRB, RRR still to close but RBB and RBR had already closed.
I would bet 1 unit on B to start a repeat of one of the two closed patterns.
If R came out in next spin I would not bet because both R and B would close one of the 2 remaining patterns.
But if only RRB was remaining with RRR closing also and the first 2 spins were RR I would then place 2 units on R to bet the RRR would repeat.
If I win on R then that's another 1 unit to my bankroll.
But If I lose then that's good for the PB as its another step closer to placing that bet AGAINST the 8th pattern.
So the trick would be to get a lot of repeats and make an additional bonus while waiting for the 7th pattern to close. I am going to code this into my BOT as an optional recovery method in place of 2-4-8 which I really do not like even though back to back losses are rare. If you are going to play PATTERN BREAKER continuously rather than hit and run you need to have a safer recovery method than just increasing your bet size and breaking the golden rules of gambling to win (do not increase bets on a loss). Although we are breaking this rule with 1-2-4 or 1-1-3 etc we are doing it in very limited way with a method that has shown over the long run by many who are willing to be patient and disciplined to have a very high strike rate over 100 games
Cheers,
Ricky
OK Here is the verdict of my 100 game test of PATTERN BREAKER playing average 10 games per day
WIN/LOSS RATIO CONFIRMED AT 8:1
Below is the breakdown of results. Very interesting finding and confirms most wins come in 1st step followed by 2nd step. Only a few came in at 3rd step and similar number lost. So it confirms you can still have excellent results playing the 1-2 progression with few 3rd step losses and less recovery required.
Results for ANDRE's test confirmed Andre's statement that he can't remember the last loss he had. I too did not get a loss in 10 days and played between 2-4 games per day. So if these were for 100 euro base bets and a 1-2-4 progression was used you would be able to play minimally and still make a good return.
TOTAL PROFIT/LOSS WIN LOSS
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 100
TOTAL 89 11
WIN:LOSS RATIO 8:1
PB 48 5
PB-ANDRE 14 0
PB-BOT 27 6
WIN 1ST STEP OF 1-2 19
WIN 1ST STEP 1-2-4 38
WIN 2ND STEP OF 1-2-4 23
WIN 3RD STEP OF 1-2-4 7
LOSS 3RD STEP OF 1-2-4 5
LOSS 3RD STEP 1-2 3
WON AGAINST 66
WON FOR 9
LOST FOR 0
LOSS AGAINST 11
So for those still doubting PATTERN BREAKER when played with DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE and consistency of progressions, that it can't beat the casino, here is some proof that some have been doing it consistently for 11 years and making a nice living off it. This test has convinced me to take this venture very seriously. I have never in all my gambling years had a 10 day winning streak this long let alone come out in profit be it to the tune of 321 euro with 5 euro base bets. Now if that were 50 euro base bets I would be looking at a handsome 3,210 euro in 10 days of patiently following the rules. This has proven to me that I am now ready to commit this sort of betsize to this system. Over 100 games my next report to this forum will be of that size.
I will stop updating the forum for the next 10 days an let others respond with their own comments and/or testing
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
I sent a post but you answered all the questions in your next post. Thank you for such extensive work and explanation as I am learning and new to PB.
BW
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 19, 05:54 PM 2018
OK Here is the verdict of my 100 game test of PATTERN BREAKER playing average 10 games per day
WIN/LOSS RATIO CONFIRMED AT 8:1
Below is the breakdown of results. Very interesting finding and confirms most wins come in 1st step followed by 2nd step. Only a few came in at 3rd step and similar number lost. So it confirms you can still have excellent results playing the 1-2 progression with few 3rd step losses and less recovery required.
Results for ANDRE's test confirmed Andre's statement that he can't remember the last loss he had. I too did not get a loss in 10 days and played between 2-4 games per day. So if these were for 100 euro base bets and a 1-2-4 progression was used you would be able to play minimally and still make a good return.
TOTAL PROFIT/LOSS WIN LOSS
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 100
TOTAL 89 11
WIN:LOSS RATIO 8:1
PB 48 5
PB-ANDRE 14 0
PB-BOT 27 6
WIN 1ST STEP OF 1-2 19
WIN 1ST STEP 1-2-4 38
WIN 2ND STEP OF 1-2-4 23
WIN 3RD STEP OF 1-2-4 7
LOSS 3RD STEP OF 1-2-4 5
LOSS 3RD STEP 1-2 3
WON AGAINST 66
WON FOR 9
LOST FOR 0
LOSS AGAINST 11
So for those still doubting PATTERN BREAKER when played with DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE and consistency of progressions, that it can't beat the casino, here is some proof that some have been doing it consistently for 11 years and making a nice living off it. This test has convinced me to take this venture very seriously. I have never in all my gambling years had a 10 day winning streak this long let alone come out in profit be it to the tune of 321 euro with 5 euro base bets. Now if that were 50 euro base bets I would be looking at a handsome 3,210 euro in 10 days of patiently following the rules. This has proven to me that I am now ready to commit this sort of betsize to this system. Over 100 games my next report to this forum will be of that size.
I will stop updating the forum for the next 10 days an let others respond with their own comments and/or testing
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
Good job!
I have a question...
Are you playing exactly the way I'm playing? How many games? Only 14?
BPP BPP BP and PBB PBB PB?
Which progression are you using when playing my pattern breaker version?
1-1-3 or 1-2-4 or 1-2?
Can you be more especific?
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 19, 10:51 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
Good job!
A have a question...
Are you playing exactly the way I'm playing? How many games?
BPP BPP BP and PBB PBB PB?
Which progression are you using when playing my pattern breaker version?
1-1-3 or 1-2-4 or 1-2?
Can you be more especific?
Cheers
Hi Andre,
I am now playing the way you play only tracking PBB PBB PB bet against BPB and also tracking BPP BPP BP bet against PBP
You can see in the spreadsheet which progressions I used for each game I played your version. Just filter for system - "PB-ANDRE". Mostly I was using 1-1-3. You can see I came break even 3 times winning on 2nd step. Once I went to the 3rd step and did not decide to bet 3 times as I got nervous I was going to find that rare repeat so only bet 1-1-2 for break even. All other times I won on the first step.
Are you still playing 1-1-3? or are you going to the 4th step with 1-1-3-6. For me 4 is too steep but if you truly are confident and have the bankroll then it makes sense. What I may start doing is using the FORMULA progression by Jay Silva I have been describing. It will allow you to go F2 F3 F4 F5 F8 which is 5 steps. But this is a D'Alembert progression where you continue next game where you left off last game for if you won on F5. Next game you would start at F4 not back at 1. This way you can allow for those rare occasions you do get pushed to the 3rd or 4th step and not worry about having large bets
cheers,
Ricky
Hi guys,
14 days ago I have had small surgery, but as it happens sometimes, 7 days ago I was taken to hospital with wound infection and apparently if they waited few more hours to operate, I wouldn't be here with you anymore. Just arrived home and hardly have energy to write this, will take few weeks to recover to reasonable stage. So my apologies to all of you who messaged me and who are waiting for excel sheet I've promised to send. Will do as soon as I can :(
I am glad to see the whole team is still working at solutions and people are getting good results. In hospital, when not drugged up too much I used wizard of oz's baccarat for testing few different MM's and ways of play.
@ Dr Sudoku and CHT...yes , once again 1,2 proves to be the best option with most profit, as I thought . In my case I win most of the times on first, and half of the time on second hit. Third one is not worth. So even simulation replicated my real games scores.
@Andre......I am NOT surprised with your results...seriously I can't see many losses with the way you play, happening. Even if they do , it will be so rare. Glad to see you are making money. Oh and glad to see people calling your way PB Andre system...remember I was first who said you deserve that to be named after you hehe
@Ricky......Man....don't give up on creating new ideas , you are great at it my friend
The other ways of play I have toyed with were :
- Play Against third repeat of set of fours...not bad results at all (few different options with MM)
- As I have all patterns of 3 written down for PB ready to be crossed, I decided to play continuously for and against those patterns in that order, and results were pretty much the same as original PB, maybe little less win/loss ratio but faster play. I used 1,2 progression, 1,2,3 progression and used flat bet on only first bet. Even that one had good win/loss ratio.
You see...when in hospital you have time to go crazy :)
Keep winning ans sharing guys, I am soo happy to see you succeed. Talk soon :)
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 19, 11:17 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
I am now playing the way you play only tracking PBB PBB PB bet against BPB and also tracking BPP BPP BP bet against PBP
You can see in the spreadsheet which progressions I used for each game I played your version. Just filter for system - "PB-ANDRE". Mostly I was using 1-1-3. You can see I came break even 3 times winning on 2nd step. Once I went to the 3rd step and did not decide to bet 3 times as I got nervous I was going to find that rare repeat so only bet 1-1-2 for break even. All other times I won on the first step.
Are you still playing 1-1-3? or are you going to the 4th step with 1-1-3-6. For me 4 is too steep but if you truly are confident and have the bankroll then it makes sense. What I may start doing is using the FORMULA progression by Jay Silva I have been describing. It will allow you to go F2 F3 F4 F5 F8 which is 5 steps. But this is a D'Alembert progression where you continue next game where you left off last game for if you won on F5. Next game you would start at F4 not back at 1. This way you can allow for those rare occasions you do get pushed to the 3rd or 4th step and not worry about having large bets
cheers,
Ricky
I just saw that in the spreadsheet.
Yes, I'm still playing 1-1-3 and I think is the best one.
Sometimes when I fell confident I go to the 4rd step but it scares me to death...lol.
I've never seen the pattern forming for 4 times so if you have the bankroll to do it I think it's hard to have a loss. But it makes me shake like a three...lol
Using the 4rd step I didn't get a loss yet.
Hugs
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 19, 11:22 PM 2018
Hi guys,
14 days ago I have had small surgery, but as it happens sometimes, 7 days ago I was taken to hospital with wound infection and apparently if they waited few more hours to operate, I wouldn't be here with you anymore. Just arrived home and hardly have energy to write this, will take few weeks to recover to reasonable stage. So my apologies to all of you who messaged me and who are waiting for excel sheet I've promised to send. Will do as soon as I can :(
I am glad to see the whole team is still working at solutions and people are getting good results. In hospital, when not drugged up too much I used wizard of oz's baccarat for testing few different MM's and ways of play.
@ Dr Sudoku and CHT...yes , once again 1,2 proves to be the best option with most profit, as I thought . In my case I win most of the times on first, and half of the time on second hit. Third one is not worth. So even simulation replicated my real games scores.
@Andre......I am NOT surprised with your results...seriously I can't see many losses with the way you play, happening. Even if they do , it will be so rare. Glad to see you are making money. Oh and glad to see people calling your way PB Andre system...remember I was first who said you deserve that to be named after you hehe
@Ricky......Man....don't give up on creating new ideas , you are great at it my friend
The other ways of play I have toyed with were :
- Play Against third repeat of set of fours...not bad results at all (few different options with MM)
- As I have all patterns of 3 written down for PB ready to be crossed, I decided to play continuously for and against those patterns in that order, and results were pretty much the same as original PB, maybe little less win/loss ratio but faster play. I used 1,2 progression, 1,2,3 progression and used flat bet on only first bet. Even that one had good win/loss ratio.
You see...when in hospital you have time to go crazy :)
Keep winning ans sharing guys, I am soo happy to see you succeed. Talk soon :)
Hi Footy73
I'm sorry to hear you have not been in good health. I hope you make a full recovery.
Thanks for the positive encouragement. I am determined to make this venture of mine work. I've been working all my life and, although its paying the bills, it does not leave me time to enjoy life. So I see this opportunity to financial freedom, together with other investments. I know the two worlds - gambling and investing - don't usually go well together but from what I have experienced the last 2 months from the information freely shared on this forum, I am starting to believe I can turn my fortunes around. What I think we all need to to support each other and continue sharing ideas to ensure we do not remain that 98% of gamblers that keep giving our hard earned money to the casinos. I am determined to get mine back and then take a heap more over time. But above all I am determined to practice DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE in my life even outside gambling.
Well I have now achieved my first 100 games. Now back to my $200 Challenge :)
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 19, 05:54 PM 2018
OK Here is the verdict of my 100 game test of PATTERN BREAKER playing average 10 games per day
WIN/LOSS RATIO CONFIRMED AT 8:1
Below is the breakdown of results. Very interesting finding and confirms most wins come in 1st step followed by 2nd step. Only a few came in at 3rd step and similar number lost. So it confirms you can still have excellent results playing the 1-2 progression with few 3rd step losses and less recovery required.
Results for ANDRE's test confirmed Andre's statement that he can't remember the last loss he had. I too did not get a loss in 10 days and played between 2-4 games per day. So if these were for 100 euro base bets and a 1-2-4 progression was used you would be able to play minimally and still make a good return.
TOTAL PROFIT/LOSS WIN LOSS
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 100
TOTAL 89 11
WIN:LOSS RATIO 8:1
PB 48 5
PB-ANDRE 14 0
PB-BOT 27 6
WIN 1ST STEP OF 1-2 19
WIN 1ST STEP 1-2-4 38
WIN 2ND STEP OF 1-2-4 23
WIN 3RD STEP OF 1-2-4 7
LOSS 3RD STEP OF 1-2-4 5
LOSS 3RD STEP 1-2 3
WON AGAINST 66
WON FOR 9
LOST FOR 0
LOSS AGAINST 11
So for those still doubting PATTERN BREAKER when played with DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE and consistency of progressions, that it can't beat the casino, here is some proof that some have been doing it consistently for 11 years and making a nice living off it. This test has convinced me to take this venture very seriously. I have never in all my gambling years had a 10 day winning streak this long let alone come out in profit be it to the tune of 321 euro with 5 euro base bets. Now if that were 50 euro base bets I would be looking at a handsome 3,210 euro in 10 days of patiently following the rules. This has proven to me that I am now ready to commit this sort of betsize to this system. Over 100 games my next report to this forum will be of that size.
I will stop updating the forum for the next 10 days an let others respond with their own comments and/or testing
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky , Re. the above stats for 1/2 betting on PB. You played 53 games of which 19 won on first step and you had 3 losses so of course you had 31 wins on the 2nd step ? I am just checking this is correct as it is quite different from Sentinel's record where he recorded 54% wins on the first bet. Of course it's most probably due to a much smaller sample size. Just curious.
Well done for testing and publishing your results for all to see. Cheers.
Ricky do you know if the way Sentinel plays does he bet against RRR - BBB - RBR - BRB if it is the last remaining pattern?
or does he avoid these patterns like you and Andre?
Just asking you cause I haven't seen Sentinel active on the forum much lately.
Thanks.
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 19, 11:22 PM 2018
Hi guys,
14 days ago I have had small surgery, but as it happens sometimes, 7 days ago I was taken to hospital with wound infection and apparently if they waited few more hours to operate, I wouldn't be here with you anymore. Just arrived home and hardly have energy to write this, will take few weeks to recover to reasonable stage. So my apologies to all of you who messaged me and who are waiting for excel sheet I've promised to send. Will do as soon as I can :(
I am glad to see the whole team is still working at solutions and people are getting good results. In hospital, when not drugged up too much I used wizard of oz's baccarat for testing few different MM's and ways of play.
@ Dr Sudoku and CHT...yes , once again 1,2 proves to be the best option with most profit, as I thought . In my case I win most of the times on first, and half of the time on second hit. Third one is not worth. So even simulation replicated my real games scores.
@Andre......I am NOT surprised with your results...seriously I can't see many losses with the way you play, happening. Even if they do , it will be so rare. Glad to see you are making money. Oh and glad to see people calling your way PB Andre system...remember I was first who said you deserve that to be named after you hehe
@Ricky......Man....don't give up on creating new ideas , you are great at it my friend
The other ways of play I have toyed with were :
- Play Against third repeat of set of fours...not bad results at all (few different options with MM)
- As I have all patterns of 3 written down for PB ready to be crossed, I decided to play continuously for and against those patterns in that order, and results were pretty much the same as original PB, maybe little less win/loss ratio but faster play. I used 1,2 progression, 1,2,3 progression and used flat bet on only first bet. Even that one had good win/loss ratio.
You see...when in hospital you have time to go crazy :)
Keep winning ans sharing guys, I am soo happy to see you succeed. Talk soon :)
Welcome back!
I'm happy to know everything is ok with you now. Sometimes life punches our teeth and we have to be strong. Take care of your health.
Let's keep in touch.
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 19, 11:48 PM 2018
I just saw that in the spreadsheet.
Yes, I'm still playing 1-1-3 and I think is the best one.
Sometimes when I fell confident I go to the 4rd step but it scares me to death...lol.
I've never seen the pattern forming for 4 times so if you have the bankroll to do it I think it's hard to have a loss. But it makes me shake like a three...lol
Using the 4rd step I didn't get a loss yet.
Hugs
Andre,
I found it inside my 30 attacks test, as stated in a previous post.
I must say that I don't track Ties so I don't know if this have big influence or not, in this test.
I played as ties not existed.
A
Quote from: Gandhi on Mar 20, 01:19 PM 2018
Ricky do you know if the way Sentinel plays does he bet against RRR - BBB - RBR - BRB if it is the last remaining pattern?
or does he avoid these patterns like you and Andre?
Just asking you cause I haven't seen Sentinel active on the forum much lately.
Thanks.
I am not sure about Sentinel, but I do not ignore these combinations when playing roulette or Baccarat the standard PB way as we are looking to closing off patterns and using random to determine when you bet. If random chooses BBB as last pattern when the wheel is in a streak of BBB so be it. Its a loss. The point is if you start putting in these rules you are playing into random's hand and not playing disciplined. Your guessing
As for Andre's version of PB. Because he is looking for a rare pattern that he know he has never seen repeat 4 times then he only chooses the two patterns PBB and BPP. The others can repeat often many times especially when long streaks of PPP or BBB or PBP occur. I have personally witnessed streaks of 15 or more. But NEVER witnessed PBB PBB PBB PBB or BPP PBB PBB PBB. I can't explain it. Maybe I have not seen a big enough sample of Baccarat shoes to be convinced this will never happen. But if it only happens once in 1000 shoes then it has to be a winning combination if you get many PBB PBB PB or BPP BPP PB as triggers for betting opportunities where the pattern does not continue for the next 3 hands.
Also, I do not think the PB ANDRE's version can be used on Roulette for the reasons I stated that this seemingly rare pattern in Baccarat is influenced by ONE random event for the whole shoe. So to lose betting against this combination repeating 4 times you are betting against that 1 random event of the shoes being shuffled in a certain order.
With Roulette you are dealing with a random event every spin and each spin is 50/50 probability it will go one way or the other. So it is more likely to see a lot of RBB RBB RBB RBB just as it is to see BBB BBB BBB BBBB.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: andrebac on Mar 21, 12:14 AM 2018
Andre,
I found it inside my 30 attacks test, as stated in a previous post.
I must say that I don't track Ties so I don't know if this have big influence or not, in this test.
I played as ties not existed.
A
With the Tie interrupting the pattern I do not ignore it and I think it does break the pattern. If you ignore it then I think there may be more instances where the pattern may continue. So it would be a good test to see if all losses occur when a tie has been involved.
Also, I have come across situations where I get a trigger PBB PBB PB and then start betting against BPB and the first or second steps is a Tie. In this case Andre advises he treats it as a loss. So in the First Step you get your money back but in the 2nd step you lost the 1st bet. I personally do not keep betting because I do not know whether I should repeat the step or treat it as a loss and go to the next step. So I don't bet at all. I am not sure what Andre does in this case
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Blackwidow on Mar 19, 04:57 AM 2018
Hi Ricky
I became a member a while ago but am on leave from work and wanted to catch up on the forum. Have read a couple of posts and the Patternbreaker is rather impressive.
Was hoping you could point me in the direction of Andres revised PB for Baccarat.
Would be very much appreciated and thank you as well.
Do you live in Australia.
BW
Hi Blackwidow,
apologies for missing your post. Hope you have worked out how we Play Baccarat using Andre's method. Take a look at one of my spreadsheets I posted recently. There are two tabs with a PATTERN BREAKER tracker. This includes both the original version and what I call PB-ANDRE. It has all the rules coded in so you just need to enter the Baccarat results and it will advise you when it has found one of the patterns. It shows up in Green the next three hands which will continue the pattern to the 4th time. You need to start betting AGAINST this pattern.
Let me know if you need further explanation. Also remeber to enter the Tie as I really think you should not skip it
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 21, 04:41 AM 2018t sure about Sentinel, but I do not ignore these combinations when playing roulette or Baccarat the standard PB way as we are looking to closing off
Thanks for the info Ricky! Much appreciated!
you, Sentinel and Andre are giving great info, hope you guys keep making progress!
Hi Ricky
Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction. Inspirational.
Appreciate your help.
Penny
Here is a MST Tracker containing the
original Pattern Breaker. It monitors all three EC's.
Still testing PB and it is doing well the waiting is a bit long but I think it is at about 9 to 1 loss so far yesterday I had one full triple loss which I will show below.
PBP AND I PLAYED OPPOSITE BPB BUT THE RESULT WAS PBP so I lost on that one and I play the opposite when I play and I also stop at the first win and then retract to go for another triple.
This morning I had PBP and played BPB and won on the first game.
Stuart
I take it for baccarat the wait is an hour or less
If you use $100 units then go for one to two wins a day. Couple of times a week
After a few months pay some bills off or go on a nice vacation
while using pattern breaker make sure it’s disposable money you can afford to lose. Nothing in roulette is guaranteed. Not even silly “flawed wheel APâ€
(link:s://media.giphy.com/media/gTURHJs4e2Ies/giphy.gif)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 22, 12:27 PM 2018
I take it for baccarat the wait is an hour or less
If you use $100 units then go for one to two wins a day. Couple of times a week
After a few months pay some bills off or go on a nice vacation
while using pattern breaker make sure it’s disposable money you can afford to lose. Nothing in roulette is guaranteed. Not even silly “flawed wheel APâ€
(link:s://media.giphy.com/media/gTURHJs4e2Ies/giphy.gif)
It seems promising, why u don't invest the profits? in a few years you will be able to travel to Mars instead to the Maldives!
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 21, 04:54 AM 2018
With the Tie interrupting the pattern I do not ignore it and I think it does break the pattern. If you ignore it then I think there may be more instances where the pattern may continue. So it would be a good test to see if all losses occur when a tie has been involved.
Also, I have come across situations where I get a trigger PBB PBB PB and then start betting against BPB and the first or second steps is a Tie. In this case Andre advises he treats it as a loss. So in the First Step you get your money back but in the 2nd step you lost the 1st bet. I personally do not keep betting because I do not know whether I should repeat the step or treat it as a loss and go to the next step. So I don't bet at all. I am not sure what Andre does in this case
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
I NEVER ignore the tie. I treat it as a loss and reset the game.
The tie breaks the pattern.
As I said before I've never seen the patterns BPP or PBB forming for 4 times.
And it works only playing baccarat. Never try it playing Roulette because of the never ending variance.
Hugs
Quote from: andrebac on Mar 21, 12:14 AM 2018
Andre,
I found it inside my 30 attacks test, as stated in a previous post.
I must say that I don't track Ties so I don't know if this have big influence or not, in this test.
I played as ties not existed.
A
Hi
If you ignore the Tie you probably gonna loose.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 22, 07:08 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
I NEVER ignore the tie. I treat it as a loss and reset the game.
The tie breaks the pattern.
If tie is ignored there're more losers.
As I said before I've never seen the patterns BPP or PBB forming for 4 times.
On average over 100shoes it appears 1-2 times.
And it works only playing baccarat. Never try it playing Roulette because of the never ending variance.
For roulette you add one more sequence, RBBRBBRBBRB.
Hugs
Quote from: Gizmotron on Nov 17, 04:20 PM 2012
I power tested Pattern Breaker. There is no way to make it work other than analyzing the conditions and placing bets that look safe to bet. For example you might be needing to bet against an HHH losing. So you would place a LLL bet during a L streak.
100 thousand sessions, 63 spins per session, American Wheel - 0/00
Results:
Wins = 84,515
Losses = 15,485
Double Losses = 2,319
Triple Losses = 342
this is interesting.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 22, 07:08 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
I NEVER ignore the tie. I treat it as a loss and reset the game.
The tie breaks the pattern.
As I said before I've never seen the patterns BPP or PBB forming for 4 times.
And it works only playing baccarat. Never try it playing Roulette because of the never ending variance.
Hugs
Hi Andre,
whats your win:loss record so far? How many opportunities are you getting to bet per day? As mentioned I am only able to track 2 shoes at a time and finding it hard to spot a complete trigger. What I am finding is the pattern starts to form 5-6-7 hands of the 8 hands. So I am seeing a lot of BPP BP or BPP BPP or BPP BPP B but rarely I am seeing the full BPP BPP PB. The last one I had I got a loss and a Tie so as per your rules I ended up losing 1 unit but it was not a TRUE loss as the pattern did not continue. So The only way to avoid this is to Back the Tie on the 2nd and 3rd bet. Are you doing this? If not have you experienced the same situation and just accepted the loss?
Now, to continue the discussion on this betting method and how we can improve our betting opportunities knowing the 8 pattern trigger is rare is to, what would be the risk:reward of starting to bet when we see 6/8 of the pattern completed. There will be more betting opportunities but will we risk betting when the full pattern is due to trigger? The risk of finding this pattern has increased as we are placing a bet but if we use a safer progression maybe it would be worth while betting sooner and hopefully catching one of the many occasions where the full pattern fails to complete to the 8th hand. I have been seeing this with 1 euro using martingale 1-2 for risk of 3 euro and have won. So if you would normally bet 30 euro after seeing the trigger of the 8 sequence PBB PBB PB or BPP PBB PB and you lose your 2 inital small bets then you have reached the triger and can start betting 30-30-90 with confidence. But if you win the initial 1-2 bet that means the full trigger did not form and you are up 1 euro. Obviously you can increase this bet size according to your level of risk but you will get more betting opportunities that could add up to the same or more profit than waiting for the full 8 pattern sequence and betting once.
Anyone have thoughts on this idea?
Cheers,
Ricky
That is a smart idea!
I recently came across this progression for baccarat and wondered if it could be applied to PB games..?
Quote
This progression can only be used with systems that tend to get wins in clusters.
This progression is designed to be non-explosive.
It is designed to take advantage of small clusters of wins.
If you want to play it more aggressive then you can.
Your aggression level is up to you.
The Highest bet that you will make is 2 units until you reach +23 units.
There are 2 phases to the progression:
Phase 1:
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1, 1.5, 1, 1.5 until you reach +3 units.
You will bet 1 unit. If you win the 1 unit bet then you will bet 1.5 units. If you lose the 1 unit bet, then you continue betting 1u until you get a win.
If you lose 3 bets in a row, you will stop until you get a virtual win, then return back to 1 unit.
If you win the 1 unit bet then you bet 1.5 units. If you win the 1.5 unit bet then you drop down to 1 unit. If you lose the 1.5 unit bet then you continue betting 1.5 units until you get a win.
If you lose 3 times in a row then you stop, wait for a virtual win, then continue betting at 1 unit. So you drop from 1.5 to 1 unit.
Play this way until you make 3 units. So you want to hit +3 units.
As soon as you make 3 units you have two options. Option 1 - quit. Option 2 - move to the second stage.
Phase 2:
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1.5, 2 units
This works the same as phase 1 but you play until you add 4 units on to your profit.
When you add 4 units, you should be at least +7 units.
You can either stop playing or drop back down to phase 1 then continue the phase 1, phase 2 cycle.
When you reach +23 units, you will begin to use bigger bets.
Later Phases
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Phase 3 will be; 2, 2.5;
Phase 4 will be 2.5, 3;
and so on...........
Your stop-loss will be between -5 to -9 units. Your win goal will be between 3-7 units.
If you have trouble playing in .5 units then you can make phase 1 be 1,2 and phase 2 be 2,3.
This progression is about locking up your profits and taking advantage of the strings of wins, while keeping losses small.
For this reason, it is important to have a solid bet selection.
Anyway there it is. Maybe it worth a look at in conjunction with PB play?
A.
Such a loose concept.
If we play against a rare pattern, and we want to simplify the matter, we know that a long series of chops are quite rare, Here we are looking for a patern made of 8 EC and if it will be played out we will break the series. Such a sequence is simpler to observe on baccarat history boards
Playing nonstop we have no chance.
But using 1-1-3 progression and hitnrun , playing only the first patern we see then break , we may be able to minimize the chances of hitting a bad sequence.
I still think that this is a losing concept, but being lucky you can get far in the winning wave.
I have an idea with what Ricky said
I have a question for those playing pattern breaker
When you have two patterns remaining have you ever seen those two patterns hit back to back?
Let’s say you cross off your patterns as they come
Now you have left:
PBB
BPB
Have you ever seen that hit back to back?
I know with pattern breaker there’s a lot of waiting. I know they have the same chance as any other pattern hitting. So just curious
If the system is very powerful you can begin to bet when two patterns remain. Perhaps a 1 2 4 8 only on the first 2 bets of each pattern stopping on a win
Remains:
BPP
BBP
Now bet against it
Quote from: ozon on Mar 23, 06:35 AM 2018
Such a loose concept.
If we play against a rare pattern, and we want to simplify the matter, we know that a long series of chops are quite rare, Here we are looking for a patern made of 8 EC and if it will be played out we will break the series. Such a sequence is simpler to observe on baccarat history boards
Playing nonstop we have no chance.
But using 1-1-3 progression and hitnrun , playing only the first patern we see then break , we may be able to minimize the chances of hitting a bad sequence.
I still think that this is a losing concept, but being lucky you can get far in the winning wave.
:thumbsup:
The one thing I see that could kill that is that just like when youre tracking you get a lot of repeating patterns, you might face one or more of those patterns hitting beteeen the 7th and the 8th. If JL's original has some value is right down to those repeating patterns. By betting just against the last pattern, youre in fact begging for those repeaters to hit, and since they will be equal to the patterns that already hit, and different from the 8th, the best possible result is a win.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 08:55 AM 2018
The one thing I see that could kill that is that just like when you're tracking you get a lot of repeating patterns.
Hi psimoes,
In regards to the last two patterns remaining I have seen each pattern hit exactly once right up to the last pattern. It was really weird. I dared not bet against the last one with a high bet unit so just put a token 1 euro bet in case it failed to match the last. I think I won it on the 2nd spin. But it really goes to show you never know what random is going to dish up. So the only thing you can control is your PATIENCE, DISCIPLINE and bankroll. So if you stick to the same system as your disciplined play then you can't go wrong.
Now having said that I am looking at a possible RECOVERY option other than increasing my bets to 2-4 for 2 games. I have been thinking what is a "SAFE" way to recover a 1-2 progression bet that has failed for 2-3 times in a row or three times in the last 5 or six sessions causing your bankroll to track sideways or slightly backwards.
So I have been working on a method of play based on what you just said with patterns repeating while your waiting for the 7th pattern to close. Now I would only use this method when needing to recover 5 or more units as it has some risk but as long as we get repeats is less risky than putting all your eggs in one basket hoping that the next session you start betting breaks the losing run.
When the 8 patterns start to close there are less patterns available for random to choose from. So for each spin there will be a HL/RB/OE chosen for spin 1, spin 2 and then spin 3 to make the new pattern.
If we look for instances where the wheel has only one choice of any of the E/C options eg at the start of the pattern 4 patterns have closed starting with "R". So for the next pattern to close in the next 3 spins a "B" needs to spin first. A "R" would guarantee a repeat of one of the 4 patterns already closed.
Now if you look at the remaining patterns for all the E/C you may get to a scenario where at any point in the 3 spins there is only one option left for ALL E/C (usually happens starting from the 7 set of 3 spins). So if we bet that the respective E/C will repeat(so AGAINST the patterns that are still open) for the respective spin 1,2 or 3 then we need to get 2/3 of these bets correct we have recovered one. If we get all three bets correct we have recovered 3 units. But if we lose 2 or 3 of the bets then we lose 1 or 3 more units respectively.
In this bet I also cover the Zero.
The advantage of putting on this bet while waiting is that our bets are spread across all three E/C and thus the risk is spread.
to give an example of how this would work let use a simple example of patterns already closed off
BBB HHH
EEEBBR HHL
EEOBRB HLH
EOEBRR HLL
EOORBB
LHH OEE
RBR
LHL OEO
RRB
LLH OOE
RRR
LLL OOO
The above is a simplistic scenario but not one that happens often. But I think it will illustrate the point. The closed patterns are shown with a
strikethroughNow you can see that 4 patterns have been marked off each E/C and it so happens they are all patterns starting with B L and E.
So when the next first spin of the sequence is due to spin, we can bet BLE and cover Zero. If any pattern starts to repeat we will win this respective E/C bet. For a new pattern to close would require the BL or E to result.
If 10B hits we win 3 units as we got all 3 right
If 11B hits we win 2 units but lost 1 unit as it was an E so win 1 unit overall.
If 33B hit we lose 2 units but win 1 unit with R so we lose 1 unit overall.
If 23R hit we lose 3 units and win 0
If I place 5 euro on each E/C I place 1 euro on Zero so I only lose a small amount of my profit of increase my loss slightly on a losing position but if zero hits I win 36 units less 15 units which is equivalent to a win on all three E/C bets
The way I see this working is we are using random to navigate through the gates created by closing the 1-7 patterns before the final patterns remain. So even though these bets are guesses that a pattern would start to repeat, we are betting using the random pattern itself so our bets are logical. We are not guessing H/L or O/E or B/R at a flip of the coin, we are using the remaining open gates to bet that random cannot navigate through at least two of the open ones to beat us. Sometime it will but other times it won't be able to do any. The more gates or pathways that are closed the higher the chance we will win so maybe best to only use this when a few paths are remaining or when all three E/C options create a betting opportunity. I have tried this with betting 2 of the 3 E/C and its 50/50 whether I win 2 units, break even or lose 2 units.
So the risk of losing is reduced because we need 2/3 correct to win and as long as we win one we have a small loss.
Now when it comes to recovering from this situation I have then started going a 1-1-3 bet for each losing bet which means I got at least 2 wrong on a step. So then I look at then next step and see if there are at least 2 gates still open where I can bet against it for the one I got wrong. If any step has both sides of the E/C open then I do not bet.
Hope this method makes sense. Its something you can test and we whether you can come up with sound rules when you might use it while waiting for PB to close the 7th pattern.
As I said I only use it when I need to recover after several losses in a row. It has been a safer way to recover for me than increasing my bet size. I'll keep testing it myself to see if I can improve on the idea or use it only in certain situations when we are challenging random to make that last patter that he hasn't been able to close for the last couple of times.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 23, 11:45 AM 2018If 11B hits we win 2 units but lost 1 unit as it was an E so win 1 unit overall.
If 33B hit we lose 2 units but win 1 unit with R so we lose 1 unit overall.
apologies the above example should read
If 11B hits we win 2 units but lost 1 unit as it was an
O so win 1 unit overall.
If 33B hit we lose 2 units but win 1 unit with
B so we lose 1 unit overall.
No offense, but you right too much. I´m sorry I can´t read all that. The idea in your previous post is pretty good. I´d stick with it.
regards
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 22, 12:27 PM 2018
I take it for baccarat the wait is an hour or less
If you use $100 units then go for one to two wins a day. Couple of times a week
After a few months pay some bills off or go on a nice vacation
while using pattern breaker make sure it’s disposable money you can afford to lose. Nothing in roulette is guaranteed. Not even silly “flawed wheel APâ€
(link:s://media.giphy.com/media/gTURHJs4e2Ies/giphy.gif)
Hold on a bit, can a croupier at baccarat makes you lose ?
Can the casino shit in bacarrat ? I saw last time that the cards are being ordered by another croupier before they can be dealt.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 23, 02:56 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
whats your win:loss record so far? How many opportunities are you getting to bet per day? As mentioned I am only able to track 2 shoes at a time and finding it hard to spot a complete trigger. What I am finding is the pattern starts to form 5-6-7 hands of the 8 hands. So I am seeing a lot of BPP BP or BPP BPP or BPP BPP B but rarely I am seeing the full BPP BPP PB. The last one I had I got a loss and a Tie so as per your rules I ended up losing 1 unit but it was not a TRUE loss as the pattern did not continue. So The only way to avoid this is to Back the Tie on the 2nd and 3rd bet. Are you doing this? If not have you experienced the same situation and just accepted the loss?
Now, to continue the discussion on this betting method and how we can improve our betting opportunities knowing the 8 pattern trigger is rare is to, what would be the risk:reward of starting to bet when we see 6/8 of the pattern completed. There will be more betting opportunities but will we risk betting when the full pattern is due to trigger? The risk of finding this pattern has increased as we are placing a bet but if we use a safer progression maybe it would be worth while betting sooner and hopefully catching one of the many occasions where the full pattern fails to complete to the 8th hand. I have been seeing this with 1 euro using martingale 1-2 for risk of 3 euro and have won. So if you would normally bet 30 euro after seeing the trigger of the 8 sequence PBB PBB PB or BPP PBB PB and you lose your 2 inital small bets then you have reached the triger and can start betting 30-30-90 with confidence. But if you win the initial 1-2 bet that means the full trigger did not form and you are up 1 euro. Obviously you can increase this bet size according to your level of risk but you will get more betting opportunities that could add up to the same or more profit than waiting for the full 8 pattern sequence and betting once.
Anyone have thoughts on this idea?
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
How about discipline and patience. Are you losing it?
A fisherman stands at the riverfront for hours waiting for the big fish to be hooked. And that's what this gameplay is all about.
Today to win $100 I had to wait for almost two hours. I play around 5 hours a day. Playing is my job.
I never had a TRUE loss. I have losses when the Tie appears and I accept it.
If you are experiencing difficulties to get the full trigger I suggest you change your way of play.
Come back using the 4 triggers:
BPP BPP BP
PBB PBB PB
BBP BBP BB
PPB PPB PP
or instead waiting for the full trigger of 8 get 7:
BPP BPP B
PBB PBB P
If you don't wanna wasting time breaking even I suggest the 1, 2, 4 progression.
Keep in mind this strategy you have to bet big to be worth the waiting time.
And watch the video and do that... Lol. Just to relax
link:s://youtu.be/C_on39tAPYw
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 21, 04:41 AM 2018
Also, I do not think the PB ANDRE's version can be used on Roulette for the reasons I stated that this seemingly rare pattern in Baccarat is influenced by ONE random event for the whole shoe. So to lose betting against this combination repeating 4 times you are betting against that 1 random event of the shoes being shuffled in a certain order.
With Roulette you are dealing with a random event every spin and each spin is 50/50 probability it will go one way or the other. So it is more likely to see a lot of RBB RBB RBB RBB just as it is to see BBB BBB BBB BBBB.
Cheers,
Ricky
You got it!
Roulette has a never ending variance.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 23, 03:21 PM 2018
Hi Ricky
How about discipline and patience. Are you losing it?
A fisherman stands at the riverfront for hours waiting for the big fish to be hooked. And that's what this gameplay is all about.
Today to win $100 I had to wait for almost two hours. I play around 5 hours a day. Playing is my job.
I never had a TRUE loss. I have losses when the Tie appears and I accept it.
If you are experiencing difficulties to get the full trigger I suggest you change your way of play.
Come back using the 4 triggers:
BPP BPP BP
PBB PBB PB
BBP BBP BB
PPB PPB PP
or instead waiting for the full trigger of 8 get 7:
BPP BPP B
PBB PBB P
If you don't wanna wasting time breaking even I suggest the 1, 2, 4 progression.
Keep in mind this strategy you have to bet big to be worth the waiting time.
And watch the video and do that... Lol. Just to relax
link:s://youtu.be/C_on39tAPYw
Hi Andre,
thanks for your feedback. Unfortunately for me need to do the day job and playing PB is my second job. But Baccarat is something Im still exploring the optimal solution based on what we collectively know. So its good to see that the 8 pattern is still holding up. I totally agree with you once you do find that pattern you need to extract maximum value out of it and be betting high value bets. For the amount of time taken to find it 100+ is required. I'm not there yet so am looking at what other ways we can make smaller wins without increasing the risk greatly but gain the same result sooner in preference to waiting 5 hours. So I think looking for shorter patterns and betting they don't complete to the full pattern with smaller base bets is a valid option.
In parallel to Baccarat I have my roulette BOT which I am optimizing. Good thing about it is it is running DISCIPLINED and with PATIENCE protecting my bankroll and making profits while I sleep and work so this is my ultimate solution. But I need to test these rules in live play before I can code them.
What we seriously need to implement your method of play is a Baccarat BOT that can play on any online casino. RX BOT has shown you can do this with Roulette so I am sure there is a reliable equivalent for Baccarat. Then you have it made. You get your time back and know you have a robust system to rely on making your income. This is true passive income
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 23, 11:45 AM 2018For a new pattern to close would require the BL or E to result.
apologies another typo spotted which may have caused further confusion. This should read
For a new pattern to close would require the RH or O to result.
Apolgogies also for the long post. I thought it needed a full explanation to show exactly what I'm doing for an alternate recovery method using the same PB concept where we have some further betting opportunities while the patterns are being closed off but also to reduce the risk by betting on 3 E/C simultaneously and get up to 3 chances to make a profit but minimise the loss on the failure of one of the E/C
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 12:04 PM 2018
No offense, but you right too much. I´m sorry I can´t read all that. The idea in your previous post is pretty good. I´d stick with it.
regards
Hi psimoes, No offense taken. I know I tend to write a lot. Will be slowing down as I settle down in my routine 100 games over 10 days. But, as I am sure many here have done, we are always looking for better ways to play PB. And given Baccarat is a new addition to its success including playing against the seemingly rare two patterns Andre has identified, there is always room to explore how we can beat random at its own game.
But just to add to my latest long post idea, it is working for me so far during my recoveries and does not require a martingale progression just flat betting. Sometime I lose it but I make up for it on the next opportunity especially when I catch the Zero.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: footy73 on Mar 19, 11:22 PM 2018
Hi guys,
14 days ago I have had small surgery, but as it happens sometimes, 7 days ago I was taken to hospital with wound infection and apparently if they waited few more hours to operate, I wouldn't be here with you anymore. Just arrived home and hardly have energy to write this, will take few weeks to recover to reasonable stage. So my apologies to all of you who messaged me and who are waiting for excel sheet I've promised to send. Will do as soon as I can :(
I am glad to see the whole team is still working at solutions and people are getting good results. In hospital, when not drugged up too much I used wizard of oz's baccarat for testing few different MM's and ways of play.
@ Dr Sudoku and CHT...yes , once again 1,2 proves to be the best option with most profit, as I thought . In my case I win most of the times on first, and half of the time on second hit. Third one is not worth. So even simulation replicated my real games scores.
@Andre......I am NOT surprised with your results...seriously I can't see many losses with the way you play, happening. Even if they do , it will be so rare. Glad to see you are making money. Oh and glad to see people calling your way PB Andre system...remember I was first who said you deserve that to be named after you hehe
@Ricky......Man....don't give up on creating new ideas , you are great at it my friend
The other ways of play I have toyed with were :
- Play Against third repeat of set of fours...not bad results at all (few different options with MM)
- As I have all patterns of 3 written down for PB ready to be crossed, I decided to play continuously for and against those patterns in that order, and results were pretty much the same as original PB, maybe little less win/loss ratio but faster play. I used 1,2 progression, 1,2,3 progression and used flat bet on only first bet. Even that one had good win/loss ratio.
You see...when in hospital you have time to go crazy :)
Keep winning ans sharing guys, I am soo happy to see you succeed. Talk soon :)
Glad to hear that you are doing better.
Life is fragile -- and, in critical medical emergencies, you start realizing the thin line that exists between living and not living.
As for playing against the third repeat of the set of fours, it is certainly a question of MM -- in particular, the length of the progression that you are going to use.
Anything longer than 3 steps makes me leery because of past actual experience.
The question is this: can you realistically play the strategy using a 3-stepper?
If yes, which one do you prefer?
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 23, 06:29 AM 2018
I recently came across this progression for baccarat and wondered if it could be applied to PB games..?
This progression can only be used with systems that tend to get wins in clusters.
This progression is designed to be non-explosive.
It is designed to take advantage of small clusters of wins.
If you want to play it more aggressive then you can.
Your aggression level is up to you.
The Highest bet that you will make is 2 units until you reach +23 units.
There are 2 phases to the progression:
Phase 1:
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1, 1.5, 1, 1.5 until you reach +3 units.
You will bet 1 unit. If you win the 1 unit bet then you will bet 1.5 units. If you lose the 1 unit bet, then you continue betting 1u until you get a win.
If you lose 3 bets in a row, you will stop until you get a virtual win, then return back to 1 unit.
If you win the 1 unit bet then you bet 1.5 units. If you win the 1.5 unit bet then you drop down to 1 unit. If you lose the 1.5 unit bet then you continue betting 1.5 units until you get a win.
If you lose 3 times in a row then you stop, wait for a virtual win, then continue betting at 1 unit. So you drop from 1.5 to 1 unit.
Play this way until you make 3 units. So you want to hit +3 units.
As soon as you make 3 units you have two options. Option 1 - quit. Option 2 - move to the second stage.
Phase 2:
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1.5, 2 units
This works the same as phase 1 but you play until you add 4 units on to your profit.
When you add 4 units, you should be at least +7 units.
You can either stop playing or drop back down to phase 1 then continue the phase 1, phase 2 cycle.
When you reach +23 units, you will begin to use bigger bets.
Later Phases
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Phase 3 will be; 2, 2.5;
Phase 4 will be 2.5, 3;
and so on...........
Your stop-loss will be between -5 to -9 units. Your win goal will be between 3-7 units.
If you have trouble playing in .5 units then you can make phase 1 be 1,2 and phase 2 be 2,3.
This progression is about locking up your profits and taking advantage of the strings of wins, while keeping losses small.
For this reason, it is important to have a solid bet selection.
Anyway there it is. Maybe it worth a look at in conjunction with PB play?
A.
Great post. Definitely provides food for thought -- thanks for sharing it with us (that is what a forum ideally is for !)
I like "grinders" like this. Being a very conservative bettor, as soon as I make 3 units, I would probably do what option no. 1 recommends.
Locking up profits
(that you have actually made) and doing your level best to take your profits home is the key point of this method and so option no. 1 is a very reasonable thing to do in that regard.
Quote from: Gandhi on Mar 20, 01:19 PM 2018
Ricky do you know if the way Sentinel plays does he bet against RRR - BBB - RBR - BRB if it is the last remaining pattern?
or does he avoid these patterns like you and Andre?
Just asking you cause I haven't seen Sentinel active on the forum much lately.
Thanks.
Good morning Ghandi
To anwser your question. I play whatever is left as the final 8th pattern. Makes no difference whether its LLL OR HHH.
I believe and depend on the unshakeable overall strikerate. I have been presented with since June 2007.
And that is 89--11 to 94--06 for a 100 game set. My worst and best results.
Just finished a set. And the result was 93--07. And two of the 7 losses were HHH. Its all par for the course. I also had one double loss. And responded accordingly on the third game. By betting enough to recover half the total loss of those two games.
This was followed by a winning streak of 12 games. Which put me firmly back in profit.
You can only gain this level of confidence over time. When you see the same kind of splits happening again and again and AGAIN.
89--11
92--08
90--10
94--06
91--09
When you see these kind of 100 game splits happen over 100 times. You doubt no more.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 24, 04:04 AM 2018Keep in mind this strategy you have to bet big to be worth the waiting time.
Hi Sentinel,
Great post that puts everything back into perspective. One question. When you get your double loss and have played your ten games for the day. Do you do your recovery sessions the next day and accept that you had a loss that day or do you try to recover in the same day on the very next sessions? This is important because it tests both your PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE to only play your fixed set per day.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 24, 04:04 AM 2018
Good morning Ghandi
To anwser your question. I play whatever is left as the final 8th pattern. Makes no difference whether its LLL OR HHH.
I believe and depend on the unshakeable overall strikerate. I have been presented with since June 2007.
And that is 89--11 to 94--06 for a 100 game set. My worst and best results.
Just finished a set. And the result was 93--07. And two of the 7 losses were HHH. Its all par for the course. I also had one double loss. And responded accordingly on the third game. By betting enough to recover half the total loss of those two games.
This was followed by a winning streak of 12 games. Which put me firmly back in profit.
You can only gain this level of confidence over time. When you see the same kind of splits happening again and again and AGAIN.
89--11
92--08
90--10
94--06
91--09
When you see these kind of 100 game splits happen over 100 times. You doubt no more.
My question is if your getting those results since 07 ,and again I have played this and tested it to no end and never ever came close to those results from 07 my self .
If a system is is that good and results should be the same for every one but I don't see a lot of other players getting the same.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 24, 10:08 AM 2018If a system is is that good and results should be the same for every one but I don't see a lot of other players getting the same.
That's right, other players should be replicating JL's results if the system is really as good as he says, but they're not (as my simulation showed). So either JL has been incredibly lucky, or he's winding everyone up. You decide. ;)
Quote from: CoderJoe on Mar 24, 10:24 AM 2018
That's right, other players should be replicating JL's results if the system is really as good as he says, but they're not (as my simulation showed). So either JL has been incredibly lucky, or he's winding everyone up. You decide. ;)
Incredibly lucky since 07 ? :question:
Andre Chass has never seen a 'real' loss.
I have seen losses, lots of them actually. :(
Quote from: cht on Mar 24, 10:51 AM 2018Incredibly lucky since 07 ?
Right, there's your answer. ;D
Just played Pattern Breaker backwards forwards upside down inside out LOST LOST LOST >:D
Quote from: cht on Mar 24, 10:51 AM 2018
Incredibly lucky since 07 ? :question:
Andre Chass has never seen a 'real' loss.
I have seen losses, lots of them actually. :(
I have no reason to lie. Im part of this forum to help and get help. I have better things to do in life than to come here in this forum to deceive others. I'm not a sick crazy guy trying misleading people.
My goal is make money playing.
I play with my rules.
I've never seen the two patterns forming for four times and this factor makes me win.
But I don't care anymore what others think about me and my way of playing.
As a tv series always said: Believe it or not!
Quote from: sturrock on Mar 24, 11:26 AM 2018
Just played Pattern Breaker backwards forwards upside down inside out LOST LOST LOST >:D
Good for you. You can now go and play the repeaters method to your heart's content where you will almost always win, according to a certain roulette genius. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Hit and run no more than 2 games per session, playing 100 game sets.
How many losses did you get??
88--12. (+4u)
87--13. (-4u)
86--14. (-12u)
??? What were your results... To the people who says its LOST LOST LOST.
im taking a break from playing atm for a good couple of months. As i got my initial £40 bankroll to £250 in 2 months playing PB.... had a blip and lost my discipline and started betting on the layout ... Not doing to lie
-_-
I realise now that i should of risen the unit stakes to atleast £3 units... I was still playing at £1 units :lol: we live and learn ay!!
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 24, 12:19 PM 2018
I have no reason to lie. Im part of this forum to help and get help. I have better things to do in life than to come here in this forum to deceive others. I'm not a sick crazy guy trying misleading people.
My goal is make money playing.
I play with my rules.
I've never seen the two patterns forming for four times and this factor makes me win.
But I don't care anymore what others think about me and my way of playing.
As a tv series always said: Believe it or not!
It appears at an average rate of 1-2 times every 100 shoes.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 24, 12:19 PM 2018
I have no reason to lie. Im part of this forum to help and get help. I have better things to do in life than to come here in this forum to deceive others. I'm not a sick crazy guy trying misleading people.
My goal is make money playing.
I play with my rules.
I've never seen the two patterns forming for four times and this factor makes me win.
But I don't care anymore what others think about me and my way of playing.
As a tv series always said: Believe it or not!
Andre,
I have said this before -- don't get too emotionally embroiled with what the naysayers are saying.
Just do your stuff -- as long as it wins, that's all that matters.
Regarding your method, I think it might be even
more loss-resistant than JL's original PB.
I have started paper testing it with my collection of real dealer-spun and airball spins.
I will have a better idea of how this method fares in another 2-4 weeks.
As of now, my main issue has to do with the progression used.
I am thinking of which 3-stepper to use.
For me, a 4-stepper is a no-go.
I will let you know as I do more testing -- and tinkering.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 24, 12:56 PM 2018
Andre,
I have said this before -- don't get too emotionally embroiled with what the naysayers are saying.
Just do your stuff -- as long as it wins, that's all that matters.
Regarding your method, I think it might be even more loss-resistant than JL's original PB.
My test confirms that to be true.
I have started paper testing it with my collection of real dealer-spun and airball spins.
I will have a better idea of how this method fares in another 2-4 weeks.
As of now, my main issue has to do with the progression used.
I am thinking of which 3-stepper to use.
For me, a 4-stepper is a no-go.
Try 1/1 or 1/2.
I will let you know as I do more testing -- and tinkering.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 24, 12:56 PM 2018I have said this before -- don't get too emotionally embroiled with what the naysayers are saying.
Just do your stuff -- as long as it wins, that's all that matters.
And I will say this : Don't get too emotionally embroiled with what the
Yaysayers are saying. ;D
Just do your stuff -- as long as it loses, that's all that matters. ;D
I'm not accusing anyone of lying, but If some people say it wins and some say it loses, then clearly it isn't the consistent winner claimed by JL.
It doesn't make sense to say that a system works for some but not others. If a system works then it should work for everyone. If it works, then it works, period.
But whatever floats your boat I guess.
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 23, 08:55 AM 2018
The one thing I see that could kill that is that just like when youre tracking you get a lot of repeating patterns, you might face one or more of those patterns hitting beteeen the 7th and the 8th. If JL's original has some value is right down to those repeating patterns. By betting just against the last pattern, youre in fact begging for those repeaters to hit, and since they will be equal to the patterns that already hit, and different from the 8th, the best possible result is a win.
For JL PB played on baccarat, don't bet against the 8th pattern when -
1. Say the 8th pattern is BBP. earlier there is a repeat series of BPP where 2 out of three is the same as the 8th pattern 1st B and 3rd P, don't bet this session.
2. This earlier repeat series is not BBB or PPP.
My test shows 40% signals playable with a 13:1 win/loss ratio.
I don't know if it works for roulette.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Mar 24, 01:17 PM 2018
And I will say this : Don't get too emotionally embroiled with what the Yaysayers are saying. ;D
Just do your stuff -- as long as it loses, that's all that matters. ;D
I'm not accusing anyone of lying, but If some people say it wins and some say it loses, then clearly it isn't the consistent winner claimed by JL.
It doesn't make sense to say that a system works for some but not others. If a system works then it should work for everyone. If it works, then it works, period.
But whatever floats your boat I guess.
I have been playing PB (with my own set of tweaks) since September, 2015.
My bank roll has grown consistently since that time (PB is one of about six rare pattern-based methods that I play regularly and they have all contributed to that).
And my bank roll keeps growing.
That is what floats my boat.
Quote from: cht on Mar 24, 01:18 PM 2018
For JL PB played on baccarat, don't bet against the 8th pattern when -
1. Say the 8th pattern is BBP. earlier there is a repeat series of BPP where 2 out of three is the same as the 8th pattern 1st B and 3rd P, don't bet this session.
2. This earlier repeat series is not BBB or PPP.
My test shows 40% signals playable with a 13:1 win/loss ratio.
I don't know if it works for roulette.
PB and other similar EC betting methods should, for obvious reasons, work better at baccarat than at roulette.
Though, I have to admit that for my 1 2 betting progression that I implemented about six months ago, my strike rate is currently higher for roulette than it is for baccarat.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 24, 12:19 PM 2018
I have no reason to lie. Im part of this forum to help and get help. I have better things to do in life than to come here in this forum to deceive others. I'm not a sick crazy guy trying misleading people.
My goal is make money playing.
I play with my rules.
I've never seen the two patterns forming for four times and this factor makes me win.
But I don't care anymore what others think about me and my way of playing.
As a tv series always said: Believe it or not!
It's not about deception it's about understanding why no one is duplicating the results it's just strange ..
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 24, 12:41 PM 2018
Good for you. You can now go and play the repeaters method to your heart's content where you will almost always win, according to a certain roulette genius. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Are you talking about Turbo the genius
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 24, 02:41 PM 2018
PB and other similar EC betting methods should, for obvious reasons, work better at baccarat than at roulette.
Though, I have to admit that for my 1 2 betting progression that I implemented about six months ago, my strike rate is currently higher for roulette than it is for baccarat.
Good on you keep winning better in your pocket then there's
Does not answer the question on why others are not duplicating the results.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 24, 02:32 PM 2018
And my bank roll keeps growing.
That is what floats my boat.
That’s all that matters. What coderjoe is saying doesn’t matter
I know several playing PB successfully
No one claims it does not lose
However the Dr. approach of only a 1 2 punch prevents deep progression losses
If the wins outweigh the losses that come that’s all not matters. Not some 1 million spin test. Let’s enter reality here. A real person will limit their losses, a stop loss, and take their winnings and run. Not behave like a hundred thousand spin bot
...hey guys. ..
Guess what!?
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
Roulette is Unbeatable! !!!!!!!
?
So you doubt?
See the image
BPP BPP BPP BPB
100 bucks more in my wallet
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 24, 12:56 PM 2018
Andre,
I have said this before -- don't get too emotionally embroiled with what the naysayers are saying.
Just do your stuff -- as long as it wins, that's all that matters.
Regarding your method, I think it might be even more loss-resistant than JL's original PB.
I have started paper testing it with my collection of real dealer-spun and airball spins.
I will have a better idea of how this method fares in another 2-4 weeks.
As of now, my main issue has to do with the progression used.
I am thinking of which 3-stepper to use.
For me, a 4-stepper is a no-go.
I will let you know as I do more testing -- and tinkering.
Thanks for the support, Doctor!
Rarely I go to 4 step progression.
I will wait for your tests results.
Cheers
Quote from: Winner on Mar 24, 03:32 PM 2018
Good on you keep winning better in your pocket then there's
Does not answer the question on why others are not duplicating the results.
If PB does not work for you, then don't play it.
No need to despair, though: there is always the repeaters method that supposedly almost always wins, as claimed by that officially certified roulette genius.
PB has been working for me (again, with my set of tweaks) since September, 2015.
It is one of about six rare pattern-based methods that have been working for me (for the most part, quite consistently so far).
If they stop working, I will stop playing them -- it is that simple.
But as long as they work, I will keep using them to increase my bank roll.
It would be idiotic for me to listen to all the naysayers on this forum and stop using these methods (as long as they are working) just so that they can be happy.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 24, 05:56 PM 2018
So you doubt?
See the image
BPP BPP BPP BPB
100 bucks more in my wallet
And waiting for 7 patterns works. Another 15 euro in my wallet
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I must admit I hate watching this pattern go by :twisted:
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Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 24, 12:56 PM 2018
Andre,
I have said this before -- don't get too emotionally embroiled with what the naysayers are saying.
Just do your stuff -- as long as it wins, that's all that matters.
Regarding your method, I think it might be even more loss-resistant than JL's original PB.
I have started paper testing it with my collection of real dealer-spun and airball spins.
I will have a better idea of how this method fares in another 2-4 weeks.
As of now, my main issue has to do with the progression used.
I am thinking of which 3-stepper to use.
For me, a 4-stepper is a no-go.
I will let you know as I do more testing -- and tinkering.
The signals come at an average rate of 3 in every 20 shoes or 15 in every 100 shoes.
The 4 step loss hits 1-2 in every 100 shoes or 7000 hands.
Needless to say the 2 and 3 step loss hit at a higher rate.
It's not possible to play this at the manual tables b&m casinos due to the very slow rate the signals come in with 11/2 hrs per shoe and a large number of shoes do not complete.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 24, 08:28 PM 2018
If PB does not work for you, then don't play it.
No need to despair, though: there is always the repeaters method that supposedly almost always wins, as claimed by that officially certified roulette genius.
PB has been working for me (again, with my set of tweaks) since September, 2015.
It is one of about six rare pattern-based methods that have been working for me (for the most part, quite consistently so far).
If they stop working, I will stop playing them -- it is that simple.
But as long as they work, I will keep using them to increase my bank roll.
It would be idiotic for me to listen to all the naysayers on this forum and stop using these methods (as long as they are working) just so that they can be happy.
Then don't play it :
I stopped playing it in 08 I was happy to leave with my underware on .
Dam brings back bad memory.
Quote from: Winner on Mar 25, 12:20 AM 2018
Then don't play it :
I stopped playing it in 08 I was happy to leave with my underware on .
Dam brings back bad memory.
Then take it one step further:
Don't visit or post on this particular PB-related thread -- no use either dredging up bad memories or again facing the prospect of losing your underwear.
I know PATIENCE is the key but while waiting for the Baccarat Pattern to appear I decided to play small 1 euro base bets on the following forming pattern.
Used the FORMULA progression by Jay Silva and his tendency method to follow the dominant side of last six hands. Rode Player for 40 euro profit. Climbed the Ladder twice. Shoe was showing 37-10 in favor of player before I stopped. So as long as you get a good run like below on player or banker the FORMULA can yield some decent profit with minimal risk.
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Quote from: praline on Mar 24, 05:03 PM 2018
...hey guys. ..
Guess what!?
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
Roulette is Unbeatable! !!!!!!!
?
please elaborate more, we are not super-smart to understand what you mean with M.
cheers
No amount of patience makes a losing system a winning system. Just do ample testing without real money. You risk nothing and can test a system over millions of spins in minutes. Use software like rx.
yea, yea!
Gambler's fallacy at its best!
What the guys are doing here (according to this pattern breaker system) is chasing the wheel to reproduce a specified pattern.
I have tested this approach on roulette and the wheel reproduced the pattern!
While you're talking math bullshit I'm making money, drinking beers, partying girl, girls, girls and getting rich ... lol.
See y'all in f*** Vegas... Hahaha
Sorry guys, I can't write while there are two girls on me...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 25, 07:26 AM 2018While you're talking math bullshit I'm making money, drinking beers, partying girl, girls, girls and getting rich ... lol.
See y'all in f*** Vegas... Hahaha
The story is awesome but it has not yet arrived at its expected end
I can be rich too as you claim by playing "whatever system with waiting" not necessarily this pattern breaker.
I can make same money as you say by putting 100 euro on half wheel (18 numbers) after waiting 2 hours for the correct moment and chasing my loss three times
:-)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 25, 07:30 AM 2018
The story is awesome but it has not yet arrived at its expected end
I can be rich too as you claim by playing "whatever system with waiting" not necessarily this pattern breaker.
I can make same money as you say by putting 100 euro on half wheel (18 numbers) after waiting 2 hours for the correct moment and chasing my loss three times
:-)
Hey up man!
Did you already find tables 20 cents to bet? :xd:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 25, 07:30 AM 2018I can make same money as you say by putting 100 euro on half wheel (18 numbers) after waiting 2 hours for the correct moment and chasing my loss three times
Hi Roulettebeater,
You are absolutely right. You will probably end up ahead over 100 games playing 10 times a day. The point is the Waiting is the key to success. The method is not the holy grail of success. No one on this forum ever said the PB method would never lose. What is being claimed is that of all the methods tried in a hit and run mode of play the method of PB (the original) played on a game like roulette or even Baccarat has a better chance of consistently winning > 7/1 over 100 games and back to back losses are not very common from the experience of those testing and playing it over a considerable amount of time.
If you had enough patience playing half the wheel with this same discipline I am sure you will experience similar results over 100 games. The only difference between this method and PB is that you are "guessing" which side of the wheel you are going to bet. You have no consistent method to identify which side. With PB we are letting the wheel decide for us which side we should bet. We are in fact challenging the wheel to spin the right side while we just follow the rules. And if we cover the Zero bet random has nowhere to hide but to select the correct side of the E/C bet to beat us.
Its having the patience to sit it out while random does its thing that is the key to the success of any method that has strict rules which give random a challenge to "consistently" perform when its required.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 25, 01:28 AM 2018
Then take it one step further:
Don't visit or post on this particular PB-related thread -- no use either dredging up bad memories or again facing the prospect of losing your underwear.
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But I'm happy visiting I have superman underwear know. :twisted:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 25, 01:28 AM 2018
Then take it one step further:
Don't visit or post on this particular PB-related thread -- no use either dredging up bad memories or again facing the prospect of losing your underwear.
Doctor some of these jokers will play 20 games lose 4 or 5 times. And then dismiss the system as no good.
Thats fine. Not everybody has the RIGHT mindset to win at this game. Its natural selection doing its thing. My only question is how he STOPPED playing PB in 2008..I didnt publish it to anyone until APRIL 2011.
Someones not being honest here...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 25, 09:47 AM 2018
Doctor some of these jokers will play 20 games lose 4 or 5 times. And then dismiss the system as no good.
Thats fine. Not everybody has the RIGHT mindset to win at this game. Its natural selection doing its thing. My only question is how he STOPPED playing PB in 2008..I didnt publish it to anyone until APRIL 2011.
Someones not being honest here...
sorry that was a typo I was playing this way before o8 I don't think your the originator of this type of betting . What ever happen to the the Zone back then . That was the first system I played way before you even posted it .
I'm being very truthful here this type of betting will never work not now and not 200 years from now . Gizmo tested this way back over 100,000 spins it did not WIN .
Anyways fun playing I hope you make a million and I'm being truth full there .good bye
Guys,
why you like to talk too much!
actually it's very easy to find out if this system wins over the long term.
I will generate 25 millions random sets (B, P) and then you can find out if your pattern will repeat.
ok?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 25, 10:49 AM 2018
I will generate 25 millions random sets (B, P) and then you can find out if your pattern will repeat.
ok?
Such an honest representation of real world play
Thanks!
I’ve always thought to myself : ya know this strategy wins more than it loses but somewhere in 25 million spins it loses big so I should stop increasing my bankroll.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 25, 12:02 PM 2018
Such an honest representation of real world play
Thanks!
I’ve always thought to myself : ya know this strategy wins more than it loses but somewhere in 25 million spins it loses big so I should stop increasing my bankroll.
or you need 25 mio random sets for three outcomes (P,B,T)?
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Quote from: cht on Mar 24, 11:32 PM 2018
The signals come at an average rate of 3 in every 20 shoes or 15 in every 100 shoes.
The 4 step loss hits 1-2 in every 100 shoes or 7000 hands.
So the strategy is a winner!
I rarely go to the 4 step progression.
It's not possible to play this at the manual tables b&m casinos due to the very slow rate the signals come in with 11/2 hrs per shoe and a large number of shoes do not complete.
How about betting a single high value bet once a day?
We can betting low value bets until the pattern (trigger) is formed.
The strategy is not for players who dont have enough time, don't have a large bankroll and dont have the patience of a hunter waiting for the prey.
And nobody ever said the strategy would never lose...
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 25, 07:43 PM 2018
The strategy is not for players who dont have enough time, don't have a large bankroll and dont have the patience of a hunter waiting for the prey.
I gave the statistical expectation when you play your method.
I agree with DrSudoku your variant is more loss resistant than the revised JL PB.
My test showed that 1/1 or 1/2 is the more optimal bet compared with 1/1/3/6.
Besides the attributes you mention to play your method, the geographical layout of the tables and players population play an important part. You also have to be physically strong to play it continuously over few days.
If you are into big numbers consider the following:
There are 36! / (18! * 18! * 2) or 4,537,567,650 ways to group 36 numbers into 2 groups of 18 numbers. E/O, H/L are just two easy groupings out of the 4,537,567,650 groupings that our brain can quickly process. With today's affordable computing power (8 or 16 cores) it would not take much effort to figure out based on currently tracked spins which grouping can qualify in the least number of spins or which grouping is out the longest number of spins.
This would only be useful if for some reason a grouping that qualified 7 of the 8 sub-patterns in 21 spins (ignoring any 0's) is more powerful than a grouping that qualified 7 of the 8 sub-patterns in say 27 spins.
I actually think a grouping that is longest out is probably a more interesting play.
Cheers
Quote from: Winner on Mar 25, 10:37 AM 2018
sorry that was a typo I was playing this way before o8 I don't think your the originator of this type of betting . What ever happen to the the Zone back then . That was the first system I played way before you even posted it .
I'm being very truthful here this type of betting will never work not now and not 200 years from now . Gizmo tested this way back over 100,000 spins it did not WIN .
Anyways fun playing I hope you make a million and I'm being truth full there .good bye
Will never win? Mmm so ive been lying for 11 years and Dr Sodoku for 2.5 years. And several people I know who pay their bills with PB.
No it will never work with a defeatest cant be bothered attitude. But you play EXACTLY as I do and then tell me you cant win. Because I have no time for people who play a couple of hundred games and think they know it all. Try 15,000. Then you will know BETTER.
P.S and please do show me where someone published The EXACT RULES of PATTERN BREAKER Before me. This will be fun.
Can someone tell me what is the min required amount of money to be bet in order this method to be worth the waiting ?
Is it 100$ per bet ? 50?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 26, 04:54 AM 2018
Can someone tell me what is the min required amount of money to be bet in order this method to be worth the waiting ?
Is it 100$ per bet ? 50?
Good question RB. :thumbsup:
For PBandre at Vegas one bet a day, the minimum has to be
$1000*20 days = $20,000 less accommodation, food, transport $12,000 = $8,000 profit a month.
Quote from: cht on Mar 26, 05:02 AM 2018
Good question RB. :thumbsup:
For PBandre at Vegas one bet a day, the minimum has to be $1000*20 days = $20,000 less accommodation, food, transport $12,000 = $8,000 profit a month.
Really?
isn't that too high?
what if the first bet misses? you gonna chase it with 2000$ ? then 4000 ? then 8000?
So write down the outcome of the last 3 numbers until one pattern of color ,high or low,odd and Even is left and bet the pattern left won’t form in the next 3 spins,correct?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 26, 05:13 AM 2018
Really?
isn't that too high?
what if the first bet misses? you gonna chase it with 2000$ ? then 4000 ? then 8000?
Andre's progression shall be $1000/1000/3000/6000, that's his Vegas plan. :)
Quote from: cht on Mar 26, 05:26 AM 2018
Andre's progression shall be $1000/1000/3000/6000, that's his Vegas plan. :)
well, there is an inflation problem these days in vegas, one night with an escort gonna cost him 1800$.
he won't be able to afford that ...
I am sure Andre won't stick to this progression, he will adjust it accordingly.
i guess it will become:
3000 - 6000 - 12000 - 24000
-:)
Quote from: cht on Mar 26, 05:02 AM 2018
Good question RB. :thumbsup:
For PBandre at Vegas one bet a day, the minimum has to be $1000*20 days = $20,000 less accommodation, food, transport $12,000 = $8,000 profit a month.
Wrong!
My plan is rent a small house in Vegas at least for 1 year and spend only the basic.
1000*360 days=$360,000.00
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 26, 12:50 PM 2018
Wrong!
My plan is rent a small house in Vegas at least for 1 year and spend only the basic.
1000*360 days=$360,000.00
what about the Nightlife expenses?
be aware of the bodyguards in vegas, they won't let you stay long at the baccarat table without placing bets
I don't think 1000 profit per day is worth the stay in vegas for that long time.
Contact me, i can collaborate with you using my roulette system that let you win "
UNLIMITED'' amount of of money and from home.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 26, 01:33 PM 2018
what about the Nightlife expenses?
be aware of the bodyguards in vegas, they won't let you stay long at the baccarat table without placing bets
I don't think 1000 profit per day is worth the stay in vegas for that long time.
Contact me, i can collaborate with you using my roulette system that let you win "UNLIMITED'' amount of of money and from home.
Share with the class. Maybe in a
NEW thread
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 26, 01:21 AM 2018
Will never win? Mmm so ive been lying for 11 years and Dr Sodoku for 2.5 years. And several people I know who pay their bills with PB.
No it will never work with a defeatest cant be bothered attitude. But you play EXACTLY as I do and then tell me you cant win. Because I have no time for people who play a couple of hundred games and think they know it all. Try 15,000. Then you will know BETTER.
P.S and please do show me where someone published The EXACT RULES of PATTERN BREAKER Before me. This will be fun.
JL,
The fact that this guy tried PB (and found that it did not work)
three years before you or anyone else published it anywhere tells you volumes about the veracity of his claims.
This is nothing but another form of trolling.
And just so that there is no misunderstanding on this issue, I first came across PB through your posts -- I don't think anyone else published it before you did.
I would also add that it was because of the basic idea underlying PB that I got so interested in the general idea of betting against rare patterns.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Mar 24, 11:32 PM 2018
The signals come at an average rate of 3 in every 20 shoes or 15 in every 100 shoes.
The 4 step loss hits 1-2 in every 100 shoes or 7000 hands.
Needless to say the 2 and 3 step loss hit at a higher rate.
It's not possible to play this at the manual tables b&m casinos due to the very slow rate the signals come in with 11/2 hrs per shoe and a large number of shoes do not complete.
Assuming your statistic about a 4-step loss hitting 1-2 times in every 100 shoes is valid, then a 4-step negative progression (like what Andre is using) may be viable.
But I still am queasy about it -- anyway, I will continue testing this method and try finding the optimal length of the progression for this method.
DR
I have a question since you have been playing for years
How often is it where there are two patterns only remaining and they hit back to back ?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 26, 03:00 PM 2018
DR
I have a question since you have been playing for years
How often is it where there are two patterns only remaining and they hit back to back ?
Rich,
Just to be clear, I have NOT been playing this for years. I started playing PB in September, 2015.
In terms of your question, I have not thought about playing that way.
I just wait for pattern no. 7, and as soon as it appears, I jump in and bet against no. 8 appearing immediately afterward (as per the original PB).
I have not kept actual statistics as to how frequently patterns 7 and 8 appear consecutively --
when ONLY those two patterns have not appeared till that point. Theoretically, at any given moment of time, two such patterns appearing back to back in the next 6 spins is 1/8 X 1/8 = 1/64
[or, alternately, (1/2) ^ 6 = 1/64].
It is a pretty rare event (Probability = .0156 -- and so roughly about 1.5% probability), so I can understand why you might think that it might be profitable to bet against both patterns appearing consecutively once pattern no. 6 has appeared.
I would not feel comfortable doing it simply because of the maximum length of the progression required (6 steps).
One viable approach might be to wait for two virtual losses and then going in for a 4-stepper (somewhat like what Andre is doing for his version of PB).
But, I still would not personally recommend it, but you might feel comfortable going for it.
I see what you are saying
I’m definitely not comfortable with a 6 step progression.
I was thinking something like this:
Wait until 6 patterns form and only 2 remain
Bet against them hitting back to back but only the first two bets of each pattern. Like you do with the 1 2. But this would be 1 2 4 8.
I’m nowhere near comfortable with that
If John legend was kind enough to upload a bunch of tests I can see how it does
Playing with two patterns remaining would increase the speed of each game. But a loss would be harder to recover.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 26, 01:33 PM 2018
what about the Nightlife expenses?
No nightlife. Only expenses with rent and food.
be aware of the bodyguards in vegas, they won't let you stay long at the baccarat table without placing bets
I can betting low value bets until the pattern (trigger) is formed.
I don't think 1000 profit per day is worth the stay in vegas for that long time.
Contact me, i can collaborate with you using my roulette system that let you win "UNLIMITED' amount of of money and from home.
Progression 1000 1000 3000 once a day or more if I get more opportunities of betting.
I'm not saying that my plan will work out. But I'll try ... Who knows?!
To do that I need making more money at Online casinos. So I go there by the end of the year.
@Steve
I don't know why I'm being watched and I'm 30% warning level...
What did I do wrong?
please correct me if I am wrong for baccarat
BBB
BBP
BPB
BPP
PPP
PPB
PBP
PBB
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 26, 02:58 PM 2018
Assuming your statistic about a 4-step loss hitting 1-2 times in every 100 shoes is valid, then a 4-step negative progression (like what Andre is using) may be viable.
But I still am queasy about it -- anyway, I will continue testing this method and try finding the optimal length of the progression for this method.
That was I said before, Doc.
If the statistic is valid then the strategy is a winner.
I rarely go to the four step progression.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 26, 02:51 PM 2018
JL,
The fact that this guy tried PB (and found that it did not work) three years before you or anyone else published it anywhere tells you volumes about the veracity of his claims.
This is nothing but another form of trolling.
And just so that there is no misunderstanding on this issue, I first came across PB through your posts -- I don't think anyone else published it before you did.
I would also add that it was because of the basic idea underlying PB that I got so interested in the general idea of betting against rare patterns.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Yes Doctor,
He tripped himself up with that claim.
It wouldnt surprise me if he had never even played a single game. Some people have zero patience. So they cannot wait to win. And if you cant do that forget it.
I wont hear from him again with any proof of my system being published pre 2008 thats for certain...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 26, 10:57 PM 2018
Yes Doctor,
He tripped himself up with that claim.
It wouldnt surprise me if he had never even played a single game. Some people have zero patience. So they cannot wait to win. And if you cant do that forget it.
I wont hear from him again with any proof of my system being published pre 2008 thats for certain...
There's no tripping I make sure that my laces are tide .
Because it wasn't published doesn't mean that it was not tested .
Give one reason you think the 8 pattern is as great as you say it is .
Because you wait doesn't mean a thing it eventually tanks .Im a realist .
Quote from: Winner on Mar 26, 11:25 PM 2018
There's no tripping I make sure that my laces are tide .
Because it wasn't published doesn't mean that it was not tested .
Give one reason you think the 8 pattern is as great as you say it is .
Because you wait doesn't mean a thing it eventually tanks .Im a realist .
And why isn't anyone else duplicating your results ?
I already asked this question and got no response .
Come on John PB is ok to by lunch and beer that's about it.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 26, 10:57 PM 2018
Yes Doctor,
He tripped himself up with that claim.
It wouldnt surprise me if he had never even played a single game. Some people have zero patience. So they cannot wait to win. And if you cant do that forget it.
I wont hear from him again with any proof of my system being published pre 2008 thats for certain...
JL,
As I said before, he is one of those trolls.
I have been playing PB with decent results since September, 2015.
And my results suddenly become invalid just because he says so.
I decide whether to continue playing a method or discarding it based on one ultimate criterion: what is happening to my bank roll.
And according to what is happening to my bank roll, I should keep playing PB. Doing otherwise would be irrational.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 26, 09:33 PM 2018
please correct me if I am wrong for baccarat
BBB
BBP
BPB
BPP
PPP
PPB
PBP
PBB
Yes, those are the 8 patterns for baccarat.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5848.msg187264#msg187264
Guys, I really want to believe John, but if you go to the above link, I mean who praises himself like this? Their sentinel says he has played pattern breaker for 3 months with good results, REALLY?
I don't wanna attack, but these are not signs of a healthy mind.
Quote from: mohitomish on Mar 27, 01:40 AM 2018
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5848.msg187264#msg187264
Guys, I really want to believe John, but if you go to the above link, I mean who praises himself like this? Their sentinel says he has played pattern breaker for 3 months with good results, REALLY?
I don't wanna attack, but these are not signs of a healthy mind.
Wait a minute! Theres something very wrong here...
JL ... Sentinel3 ... 11 years ... 3 months...
Is sentinel3 John Legend? Or not?
Quote from: mohitomish on Mar 27, 01:40 AM 2018
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5848.msg187264#msg187264
Guys, I really want to believe John, but if you go to the above link, I mean who praises himself like this? Their sentinel says he has played pattern breaker for 3 months with good results, REALLY?
I don't wanna attack, but these are not signs of a healthy mind.
At that time, JL was posting under that new name, Sentinel. And he did NOT want to admit that he was actually JL.
It was only a month later (toward the end of January or thereabouts) that he decided to admit that Sentinel and JL were indeed the same person.
As for praising himself, you can, understandably, criticize him for that (though, again, remember that at the time of those posts, he had not yet made his admission of being the same person).
Pattern Breaker was and remains one of greatest roulette systems ever devised since the Internet began; of that there can be no doubt.
I myself no longer play it but that's purely because I don't have the patience for the tracking involved beforehand and have recently committed myself to only playing Baccarat after having had an amazing revelation. ------- Bedsit Botter
This guy on roulette30 forum started a similar thread about PB around the same time. Many thought he's sentinel aka JL.
There's another similar thread started on betselection as well.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 26, 09:56 PM 2018
That was I said before, Doc.
If the statistic is valid then the strategy is a winner.
I rarely go to the four step progression.
Andre,
Are you still using the 1 1 3 6 progression?
Or some other 4-stepper?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 27, 02:32 AM 2018
At that time, JL was posting under that new name, Sentinel. And he did NOT want to admit that he was actually JL.
It was only a month later (toward the end of January or thereabouts) that he decided to admit that Sentinel and JL were indeed the same person.
As for praising himself, you can, understandably, criticize him for that (though, again, remember that at the time of those posts, he had not yet made his admission of being the same person).
JL and SENTINEL are not the only names that this he has used on the boards. I'm always suspicious of why anyone would do that. Obviously it goes on, but this guy has had AT LEAST 3 names, possibly many more. Why?
Now playing: Mentallica - Master Of Sockpuppets
To double and triple his patience and discipline skills
To double and triple his winnings
Three against the gang
Quote from: psimoes on Mar 27, 03:41 AM 2018
To double and triple his patience and discipline skills
To double and triple his winnings
Three against the gang
Quote from: sentinel3 on Dec 19, 11:20 PM 2017
And I may give it a try if my bank gets to around 500.
Something is mysterious here :
Sentinel "the god of pattern breaker" has said that he doesn't hold more than 200-300$ in one account, at the same time you repeatedly saying that this strategy requires betting high to be successful.
How on earth can that be understood ? If "the god of pattern breaker" has only 200 in his account and need to do 4 steps martingale, what stakes is he using ????
Andre
If you are currently playing progressions
1-1-3-6
Your probability is 1-11
So if you played 11 streets to leave 1 uncover
Another idea
I used to write that somebody did tests and it turned out that the biggest reduction of the house edge, with this type of bets is waiting to hit all 11 streets, and then left 1 coldest, for 1 spin in play against him.
The tests were done against wheeel with zero and looked interesting.
Additionally, using french roulette and betting over half on high-or low, when you get zero, recovery, take part of stake.
After all, this is a losing strategy in the long run
But it has its advantages
We play a rare patern
We do not wait very long
We use hitnrun,.
We play flat
If we are lucky, we can go far.
Quote from: ozon on Mar 27, 08:08 AM 2018But it has its advantages
We play a rare patern
We do not wait very long
We use hitnrun,.
We play flat
If we are lucky, we can go far.
Superb Idea. Thanks
Quote from: ozon on Mar 27, 08:08 AM 2018
Andre
If you are currently playing progressions
1-1-3-6
Your probability is 1-11
So if you played 11 streets to leave 1 uncover
Another idea
I used to write that somebody did tests and it turned out that the biggest reduction of the house edge, with this type of bets is waiting to hit all 11 streets, and then left 1 coldest, for 1 spin in play against him.
The tests were done against wheeel with zero and looked interesting.
Additionally, using french roulette and betting over half on high-or low, when you get zero, recovery, take part of stake.
After all, this is a losing strategy in the long run
But it has its advantages
We play a rare patern
We do not wait very long
We use hitnrun,.
We play flat
If we are lucky, we can go far.
I think most of us have thought about playing 11 streets hit and run
But the risk is not worth the reward
To make it worth your while you want to make at least $100
So we risk $1100 to win $100
A loss would be a huge hit
Is it worth it?
With pattern breaker using $100 unit size you only risk a total of $300 playing the Dr S way. Which isn’t hard to recover.
With the American Wheel, I would not even try it.
Too big risk.
A bit different topic
I just saw the topic on the KAV forum.
User DR Talos, ran the game, baitting about his winning system for years.
Now he want open company, which will play roulette.
"company" does not sound proud
But this is not the best
He wants to collect money from people to use his system.
Yes, he wants investors !!!!!
Do not be fooled.
And I see that there is an opinion that it is comparable to hedge funds.
Really.
His play is based on the American wheel, alot of number ,dozens, progression and hitnrun.
There is no proof that he is making money or even in the short run system works.
The most important question is, if someone makes money, always.
What do investors need him for?
Yeah, hedge fund based on casinos.
What I will not hear in the internet.
I remember a guy on the forum years ago I think in 09 that wanted people to invest their money in his roulette play and promised a like ten percent on the money per week.
He was I think in Michigan, did we ever hear from him again no, watch out when somebody says they will gamble with your money on their infallible system or method.
I was listening to the other day to the guy who is a baccarat guru and he said he can meet you at your favourite casino and play on your money.
Heck no not on my money lol.
Stuart
If someone disappears, that means he's gone broke
The logic says so
You may be surprised how gullible and desperate some gamblers are. There are plenty loan sharks waiting to take a bite. Gambling gurus who supposedly play infallible method with your investment money. Suckers fall for it all the time. Be careful though that's the dark side mafia stuff that goes on in b&m casino.
Online forums are infested with scammers. Never part with your money ever!
Funnily I've just been offered roulette mentoring services for a fee. Lol 😂😂😂
DrTalos can be a double poster for someone else, my guess.
Sentinel, if you are playing for 11 years and winning. Can you please post some screenshots of your many withdrawals from online casinos and if possible your bank account balance as well, you can easily brush away your account details with an editing tool.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 27, 02:38 AM 2018
Andre,
Are you still using the 1 1 3 6 progression?
Or some other 4-stepper?
Yes Doc
But as I said before I rarely go to the four step progression.
Despite all the doubts about sentinel3, we can not forget that Pattern Breaker strategy works and there are a lot of players that use it including DOCTORSUDOKU.
Let's give sentinel3 the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 27, 12:36 PM 2018
Despite all the doubts about sentinel3, we can not forget that Pattern Breaker strategy works and there are a lot of players that use it including DOCTORSUDOKU.
There are winners and losers. A year from now we have new group of winners and losers. Winning systems have their fair share of losers, losing systems have their fair share of winners. The long term consistent sure winner in the billions is the casino. And the scammers and marketers. :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 27, 12:36 PM 2018
Despite all the doubts about sentinel3, we can not forget that Pattern Breaker strategy works and there are a lot of players that use it including DOCTORSUDOKU.
Let's give sentinel3 the benefit of the doubt.
Andre,
As long as PB works for me, I will keep playing it -- to make profits.
If it stops working, I will stop playing it.
It is as simple as that.
Repeat: The only reason I play this game is to make profits.
I do NOT play this game or other casino games just for fun.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 27, 12:59 PM 2018
Andre,
As long as PB works for me, I will keep playing it -- to make profits.
If it stops working, I will stop playing it.
It is as simple as that.
Repeat: The only reason I play this game is to make profits.
I do NOT play this game or other casino games just for fun.
That's what matters, Doc.
I just sent a pm to sentinel3 asking him to appears.
He was an inspiration for me to be able to develop my own PB version.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 27, 03:30 PM 2018
That's what matters, Doc.
I just sent a pm to sentinel3 asking him to appears.
He was an inspiration for me to be able to develop my own PB version.
WARNING: Forums often contain bad advice & systems that aren't properly tested. Do NOT believe everything.
Sentinel isn’t lying
I know people playing this
The results are the same across the board. 8 to 10 wins per 1 loss.
That being said, if you do not like the method, leave the thread. It’s that simple for forum peace.
If you don’t agree with the method please refrain from attacking people and move on to another thread. Let those playing it share results peacefully. Please stop
Thank you.
Quote from: cht on Mar 27, 12:50 PM 2018
There are winners and losers. A year from now we have new group of winners and losers. Winning systems have their fair share of losers, losing systems have their fair share of winners. The long term consistent sure winner in the billions is the casino. And the scammers and marketers. :xd: :xd: :xd:
There are winners, and losers. Slightly more losers - that's the house edge. Most of the basics everyone is forgetting are explained at link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 27, 04:26 AM 2018
Something is mysterious here :
Sentinel "the god of pattern breaker" has said that he doesn't hold more than 200-300$ in one account, at the same time you repeatedly saying that this strategy requires betting high to be successful.
How on earth can that be understood ? If "the god of pattern breaker" has only 200 in his account and need to do 4 steps martingale, what stakes is he using ????
Roulettebeater,
I think you misunderstood. I dont go over â,¬350 in any one account But I have 11 accounts. The reason being if any of them become sore losers and freeze my account in the future. I should have won and WITHDRAWN SEVERAL times the amount THEY STEAL.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 27, 02:32 AM 2018
At that time, JL was posting under that new name, Sentinel. And he did NOT want to admit that he was actually JL.
It was only a month later (toward the end of January or thereabouts) that he decided to admit that Sentinel and JL were indeed the same person.
As for praising himself, you can, understandably, criticize him for that (though, again, remember that at the time of those posts, he had not yet made his admission of being the same person).
That is correct Dr...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 27, 04:46 PM 2018
Sentinel isn’t lying
I know people playing this
The results are the same across the board. 8 to 10 wins per 1 loss.
That being said, if you do not like the method, leave the thread. It’s that simple for forum peace.
That is correct RG. Everyone has a choice. Its natural selection. A 1000 people will look at PB. In the end only a few will STICK TO IT.
And any who do will be rewarded LONG TERM. Not in 5 minutes. This is no get rich scheme. Its one of the best grinders ever. But it asks for a quality FEW possess. PATIENCE...
Quote from: Winner on Mar 26, 11:25 PM 2018
There's no tripping I make sure that my laces are tide .
Because it wasn't published doesn't mean that it was not tested .
Give one reason you think the 8 pattern is as great as you say it is .
Because you wait doesn't mean a thing it eventually tanks .Im a realist .
Well its taking its time to tank winner. Its IMPOSSIBLE to go backwards when you have been going forwards for 11 years.
Its a rock steady grinder. Not a get rich scheme. Each 100 GAMES delivers a win loss split of 89--11 to 94--6.
Thats the range. Theres never been a 100 game set thats shown me negative numbers. And even if there were one in three that did. The system would STILL be an overall winner. Gizmo proved that PB couldnt stand up played CONTINUOUSLY. He didnt prove the system fails played SELECTIVLEY. Which is how its played in THE REAL WORLD.
Know the difference. People have yet to understand no simulator can truly replicate real world results..And thats why they remain so negative and dismissive of someone like me.
Had you been on the journey with me since the beginning. You would have no dount this system is one of the best grinders of alltime period. It has delivered to me 12 to 52 units profit per 100 games over 150 times over the years.
It is as solid as granite. As ive said a million times it asks one thing of the player. Sadly the thing that over 90% of humans lack. PATIENCE...
I have a PM from JohnLegend dated March 15,2011
"Proof I remember you asking me for something a bit special for even chances. I have a METHOD called PATTERN BREAKER which I used with good success a few years back. I think you will like the thinking behind it. I am out to eat then will PM it to you Later. If you like it I will Debut it on the forum in a couple of weeks. Dont want to overcrowd it Lol!!!!!!!" ;D ;D ;D
Still waiting for your multiple withdrawals screenshots. @Sentinel
Sentinel is not selling anything here and he is helping other fellow players to follow his style of play. He is under no obligation to prove to anyone and it is anyone's discretion whether or not to believe his style of play. I never read anywhere that Sentinel is forcing anyone to follow him and that he asks anyone for ANYTHING.
Please refrain your negativity toward Sentinel's good heart.
If we all promote love instead of hate, this world would be a much better place to be in...
Good luck to everyone....
Sentinel just ignore the idiots. Please.
Guys keep going with the results
Welcome back sentinel3!
I invite all the idiots who dont like the method to get out of the thread.
Sentinel3 has no obligation to prove anything.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 28, 12:41 PM 2018
Welcome back sentinel3!
I invite all the idiots who dont like the method to get out of the thread.
Sentinel3 has no obligation to prove anything.
Hi Andre
Yes its THEIR CHOICE. No one is pushing anyone to do anything. If you dont have the patience to play this game properly. Then its not for you.
The people who have what it takes. Will come to see its benefits over time. Thats all there is to it.
If its not for you move on...
Playing even chance on roulette,still just under 50% chance of winning,however long you wait,or don’t wait for something to happen :ooh:
I like this for "stadium baccarat"
at my local casino we have the electronic baccarat....where the robot arm deals real cards
it is good because you can sit without betting, and only bet when you feel like it
the history board goes far back so you can get a bet right away essentially
almost no wait, after your bet can switch to another stadium baccarat game to get another bet
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 28, 06:38 PM 2018
I like this for "stadium baccarat"
at my local casino we have the electronic baccarat....where the robot arm deals real cards
it is good because you can sit without betting, and only bet when you feel like it
the history board goes far back so you can get a bet right away essentially
almost no wait, after your bet can switch to another stadium baccarat game to get another bet
RG
Which casino do you play? Which city?
Are the electronics tables individual or collective?
If you do not bet you can stay at the table or they ask you to leave? Can I wait for the "trigger" with no problems?
What are the maximum and minimum bets? I mean chips values.
Are you playing only the original PB or also "my way"?
Sorry about to much questions. I've never had that experience.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 28, 07:08 PM 2018
RG
Which casino do you play? Which city?
Are the electronics tables individual or collective?
If you do not bet you can stay at the table or they ask you to leave? Can I wait for the "trigger" with no problems?
What are the maximum and minimum bets? I mean chips values.
Are you playing only the original PB or also "my way"?
Sorry about to much questions. I've never had that experience.
Resorts world casino. Queens NY. No live dealers. Only electronic
The baccarat is real cards dealt by a robotic arm
I haven’t played anything yet. I was going to attempt pattern breaker
What is your way?
There many many different terminals with plenty of seating and you can sit without betting. No dealers. No pit bosses
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Mar 27, 04:01 PM 2018
WARNING: Forums often contain bad advice & systems that aren't properly tested. Do NOT believe everything.
How come you don't post that warning (actually it is Steve's warning at the top of the home page) on other threads?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 28, 08:55 PM 2018
Resorts world casino. Queens NY. No live dealers. Only electronic
The baccarat is real cards dealt by a robotic arm
I haven’t played anything yet. I was going to attempt pattern breaker
What is your way?
There many many different terminals with plenty of seating and you can sit without betting. No dealers. No pit bosses
Stadium versions of the various games are the dream playing scenarios for me.
From what I understand (from reading and watching videos about them) , you can literally sit there for hours on end tracking as much as you like and betting and sitting on the sidelines, again, as much as you like, without anyone bothering you.
The problem is that you can hardly find them anywhere else in the US.
I personally have never come across them in the dozen or so casinos that I have visited in the last few years.
The closest thing to the stadium games are the air ball roulette wheels that you find in some casinos.
And, nowadays, air ball wheels are my preferred mode of playing roulette (as compared to dealer-spun wheels at the regular tables).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 29, 12:02 AM 2018
How come you don't post that warning (actually it is Steve's warning at the top of the home page) on other threads?
Because it is John Legends biggest scam of all times during several years.
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Mar 29, 01:55 AM 2018
Because it is John Legends biggest scam of all times during several years.
If you apply similar criteria to evaluating all of the other methods discussed (by others) in this forum, most of them have to be categorized similarly (since, for different reasons, not everyone can replicate the same positive results that some individuals get).
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 28, 07:08 PM 2018
RG
Which casino do you play? Which city?
Are the electronics tables individual or collective?
If you do not bet you can stay at the table or they ask you to leave? Can I wait for the "trigger" with no problems?
What are the maximum and minimum bets? I mean chips values.
Are you playing only the original PB or also "my way"?
Sorry about to much questions. I've never had that experience.
Hi Andre,
link:s://:.crownmelbourne.com.au/casino/casino-games/semi-automated-table-games (link:s://:.crownmelbourne.com.au/casino/casino-games/semi-automated-table-games)
This casino has Roulette, Baccarat (3 tables live dealer but shuffled using a ShuffleMaster, no CSM, plays through complete 6 deck shoe), BlackJack(CSM machine) and SicBo all live dealer and electronic tables with games played every 30 seconds or so with timer for betting on electronic machines. Plenty of tables to choose from and you can sit there all day no questions asked. I think I will be settling to your method of Play BPP BPP BP and PBB PBB PB and then betting big 30-30-90 until bankroll grows. I have a 1,000 bankroll and hoping to grow it using this method alone. I have not had a real loss yet although had losses with tie which I had to stop betting. I am considering covering tie bet on step 2-3 with 30-25,5,82-8 as long as I continue not to experience any real losses.
In my analysis of other rare patterns I have come across the attached pattern PBBB PBBB PBBB which I have not seen repeating 4 times. Have you seen this pattern repeat more than three? If not then do you think we could bet same 30-30-90 on BPP for it not to repeat a fourth time? The same would go for BPPP BPPP BPPP which you would bet PBB.
Regards,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 02:29 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
link:s://:.crownmelbourne.com.au/casino/casino-games/semi-automated-table-games (link:s://:.crownmelbourne.com.au/casino/casino-games/semi-automated-table-games)
This casino has Roulette, Baccarat (3 tables live dealer but shuffled using a ShuffleMaster, no CSM, plays through complete 6 deck shoe), BlackJack(CSM machine) and SicBo all live dealer and electronic tables with games played every 30 seconds or so with timer for betting on electronic machines. Plenty of tables to choose from and you can sit there all day no questions asked. I think I will be settling to your method of Play BPP BPP BP and PBB PBB PB and then betting big 30-30-90 until bankroll grows. I have a 1,000 bankroll and hoping to grow it using this method alone.
I have not had a real loss yet although had losses with tie which I had to stop betting. I am considering covering tie bet on step 2-3 with 30-25,5,82-8 as long as I continue not to experience any real losses.
In my analysis of other rare patterns I have come across the attached pattern PBBB PBBB PBBB which I have not seen repeating 4 times. Have you seen this pattern repeat more than three? If not then do you think we could bet same 30-30-90 on BPP for it not to repeat a fourth time? The same would go for BPPP BPPP BPPP which you would bet PBB.
Regards,
Ricky
Ricky,
What do you mean you had a loss with a tie?
In baccarat, if you have a bet on Banker or Player, and a tie shows up, your bet is returned to you without any reduction in the amount of your bet.
So, strictly speaking, in terms of your Banker or Player bet, it is almost like nothing happened.
So why are you suffering a loss in that scenario?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 29, 02:42 AM 2018
Ricky,
What do you mean you had a loss with a tie?
In baccarat, if you have a bet on Banker or Player, and a tie shows up, your bet is returned to you without any reduction in the amount of your bet.
So, strictly speaking, in terms of your Banker or Player bet, it is almost like nothing happened.
So why are you suffering a loss in that scenario?
Hi DR
Tie on second step so LOSS-TIE for -30-0 = -30. Technically not a loss of the 3 step but when you get a tie it breaks the pattern but you have not choice but to abandon the betting progression I will recoup that loss in next game. So my idea is if I get to 2nd or 3rd step I will start covering the tie bet with 25,5 and 82,8 respectively to recoup loss of previous step(s) and sacrifice some profit. Risk will be the same.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 03:51 AM 2018
Hi DR
Tie on second step so LOSS-TIE for -30-0 = -30. Technically not a loss of the 3 step but when you get a tie it breaks the pattern but you have not choice but to abandon the betting progression I will recoup that loss in next game. So my idea is if I get to 2nd or 3rd step I will start covering the tie bet with 25,5 and 82,8 respectively to recoup loss of previous step(s) and sacrifice some profit. Risk will be the same.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Andre,
while typing this last post I just cam across another example of the pattern I mentioned above
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/29/temp_731096.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GHM4d)
Could this be another betting opportunity?
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 27, 11:23 PM 2018Its a rock steady grinder. Not a get rich scheme. Each 100 GAMES delivers a win loss split of 89--11 to 94--6.
Thats the range. Theres never been a 100 game set thats shown me negative numbers. And even if there were one in three that did. The system would STILL be an overall winner. Gizmo proved that PB couldnt stand up played CONTINUOUSLY. He didnt prove the system fails played SELECTIVLEY. Which is how its played in THE REAL WORLD.
Hi Sentinel,
My latest testing in continuous play confirms Gizmo's finding in that you cannot get the same win rate playing game after game without avoiding the inevitable loss. So hit and run allows you to be more selective in playing PB.
BUT what I am noticing is that I rarely get two losses in a row playing continuously and occasionally I get a winning streak of 6 or more before the next loss.
So to improve my performance I have incorporated a Recovery mode. I am playing 0-1-2 now with a FOR/AGAINST based on the first spin result. This has improved performance in continuous mode and speeds recovery with lower risk.
So now I am adjusting my BOT to see if I can simulate hit and run while playing continuously. I am hoping this will resolve the last hurdle we have in playing PB continuously.
NEW RULES: (in beta)
1. Play continuously until you encounter a loss.
2. Record the winning streak before the loss.
3. Now play your two recovery rounds and then continue playing until you have played the same number of games as your last winning streak.
4. Now start VIRTUAL BETTING until you encounter another VIRTUAL LOSS.
5. Once a Virtual Loss is encountered resume betting up to the number of games of your last winning streak.
6. If you reach the number of winning games without a loss for 2 times after initial recording then continue betting until your next real loss. This will allow you to record a longer winning streak.
7. If at any time you experience a loss before reaching your current winning streak then use this reduced winning streak for future sessions and repeat the above process.
This NEW RULE should in theory improve the win rate of playing PB continuously and avoid running into real losses. It will hopefully simulate a hit and run scenario playing continuously in a BOT which has all the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE in the world.
Feel free to use your models to test this theory out. I am in the process of updating my BOT to use the above rules and see if I can improve real play the PB method over 100 games playing continuously but selectively
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 28, 06:38 PM 2018
I like this for "stadium baccarat"
at my local casino we have the electronic baccarat....where the robot arm deals real cards
it is good because you can sit without betting, and only bet when you feel like it
the history board goes far back so you can get a bet right away essentially
almost no wait, after your bet can switch to another stadium baccarat game to get another bet
The only thing with the history board there's no indication of when the last shoe ended or this one has begun and personally I don't trust them I know it's real cards being dealt but I've seen things happen that it's incredible Resorts World is a Singapore company I don't trust them
I do not understand one.
No one has yet proved that playing a patern non stop can still achieve any edge.
Everything that was said and tested in this topic proves that it can only earn thanks to the rare pattern and hitnrun and the biggest indicator "LUCK"
If something works for you, do not fix it until it's broken.
But, playing non-stop and recovery mode, is doomed immediately to failure.
It is interesting for me that someone would probably show a profit by playing against streaks in baccarat.
Guided by the principles of this topic.
Playing only once a day
Playing only and only the first pattern that he will see on several bacarat tables
We are waiting for a streak of 6 time same P or B and we're playing, for breaking the series with 3 step progresion 1-1-3
Our assumption is that we will not see the first long series of 10 streaks.
Bakroll 100 units, game duration 2 years
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 28, 08:55 PM 2018
Resorts world casino. Queens NY. No live dealers. Only electronic
The baccarat is real cards dealt by a robotic arm
I haven’t played anything yet. I was going to attempt pattern breaker
What is your way?
There many many different terminals with plenty of seating and you can sit without betting. No dealers. No pit bosses
Very interesting. Someday I will try it.
You can find my pattern breaker variation reading my previous posts.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 02:29 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
link:s://:.crownmelbourne.com.au/casino/casino-games/semi-automated-table-games (link:s://:.crownmelbourne.com.au/casino/casino-games/semi-automated-table-games)
This casino has Roulette, Baccarat (3 tables live dealer but shuffled using a ShuffleMaster, no CSM, plays through complete 6 deck shoe), BlackJack(CSM machine) and SicBo all live dealer and electronic tables with games played every 30 seconds or so with timer for betting on electronic machines. Plenty of tables to choose from and you can sit there all day no questions asked. I think I will be settling to your method of Play BPP BPP BP and PBB PBB PB and then betting big 30-30-90 until bankroll grows. I have a 1,000 bankroll and hoping to grow it using this method alone. I have not had a real loss yet although had losses with tie which I had to stop betting. I am considering covering tie bet on step 2-3 with 30-25,5,82-8 as long as I continue not to experience any real losses.
In my analysis of other rare patterns I have come across the attached pattern PBBB PBBB PBBB which I have not seen repeating 4 times. Have you seen this pattern repeat more than three? If not then do you think we could bet same 30-30-90 on BPP for it not to repeat a fourth time? The same would go for BPPP BPPP BPPP which you would bet PBB.
Regards,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
Cool casino!
Once I tested betting real money playing against a different pattern and I almost bust my bankroll.
I had to go to 6 step progression. Nevermore I'll do that.
As I said before I only play the PBB and BPP patterns because I've never seen they forming for 4 times in a row.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 03:56 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
while typing this last post I just cam across another example of the pattern I mentioned above
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/29/temp_731096.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GHM4d)
Could this be another betting opportunity?
Cheers,
Ricky
My advice is don't play that. As I said before I almost lost my bankroll.
Andre was that a trigger for u? Happend this night.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/29/Capture_2018-03-29-00-40-43.png)
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 03:51 AM 2018
Hi DR
Tie on second step so LOSS-TIE for -30-0 = -30. Technically not a loss of the 3 step but when you get a tie it breaks the pattern but you have not choice but to abandon the betting progression I will recoup that loss in next game. So my idea is if I get to 2nd or 3rd step I will start covering the tie bet with 25,5 and 82,8 respectively to recoup loss of previous step(s) and sacrifice some profit. Risk will be the same.
Cheers,
Ricky
I never ignore the Tie. It breaks the pattern. I tried ignoring the Tie for two times for testing but betting real money and I went a deep hole.
I had to spent hours in recovery mode.
Anyway I've hadn't no TRUE loss since I started using my PB version.
My bank roll is growing up fast.
My advice: don't ignore the tie and don't try play against a different pattern.
But you can try if you want. Your risk...
Quote from: ayk on Mar 29, 02:28 PM 2018
Andre was that a trigger for u? Happend this night.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/29/Capture_2018-03-29-00-40-43.png)
Yes, that was a trigger.
I have to remember that the strategy can lose. But it's very rare you have a loss. But it can happen.
The strategy is not invecible. But you win much more then you lose.
The pattern forming for 4 times in a row is a very rare event.
If you have a large bankroll you could keep the progression. The baccarat variance is very limited.
How many baccarat tables they're at William Hill?
Andre
How much average time are you waiting for the first trigger?
I know that it is different times, but what were the longest waiting times.
I will have a lot of time now so I can try, but I will play only one trigger with hitnrun.
Quote from: ozon on Mar 29, 03:12 PM 2018
Andre
How much average time are you waiting for the first trigger?
I know that it is different times, but what were the longest waiting times.
I will have a lot of time now so I can try, but I will play only one trigger with hitnrun.
Playing now is my job. I have all the time to wait for the trigger. Sometimes as soon as I enter the Casino the trigger appears in just 5 minutes. Sometimes I've waited for almost two hours. For the wait to be worth you have to play high value amounts. I play 6 to 7 games a day. I'm very happy playing it.
Ok, thanks.
I will try deposit money and check if I have some luck.
Quote from: ozon on Mar 29, 03:31 PM 2018
Ok, thanks.
I will try deposit money and check if I have some luck.
Bet without fear. You will not regret.
Good luck!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 29, 02:23 PM 2018As I said before I only play the PBB and BPP patterns because I've never seen they forming for 4 times in a row.
I just came back from the B&M Casino just mentioned looking for the PBB PBB PBB PBB and stayed there playing for 5 hours (talk about Patience and discipline). They had 4 Rapid Baccarat tables open. I put on 4 bets all night playing this system and got caught twice with the Tie on the second bet causing my bankroll to go down by $55. Third time I covered the Tie with $25 and $5 on tie. And lucky I did as It came up a Third time. Recovered previous loss with it. But in 5 hours of continuous play I did not come across one PBB or BPP repeating 4 times. Closest it came was 3 times and start of 4th PBB PBB PBB P. I won on the 2nd bet but it was a break even as I was playing 30-30-90
Next time I think I may increase my bankroll and start playing 30-45-90 and cover the Tie bet as I am struggling to get caught with a real loss.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 29, 02:41 PM 2018
Yes, that was a trigger.
I have to remember that the strategy can lose. But it's very rare you have a loss. But it can happen.
The strategy is not invecible. But you win much more then you lose.
The pattern forming for 4 times in a row is a very rare event.
If you have a large bankroll you could keep the progression. The baccarat variance is very limited.
How many baccarat tables they're at William Hill?
Well, that's the game ;)
They have 10 tables.
6x std
1x no commission
2x speed
And 1 Tiger/dragon
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 04:05 PM 2018
I just came back from the B&M Casino just mentioned looking for the PBB PBB PBB PBB and stayed there playing for 5 hours (talk about Patience and discipline). They had 4 Rapid Baccarat tables open. I put on 4 bets all night playing this system and got caught twice with the Tie on the second bet causing my bankroll to go down by $55. Third time I covered the Tie with $25 and $5 on tie. And lucky I did as It came up a Third time. Recovered previous loss with it. But in 5 hours of continuous play I did not come across one PBB or BPP repeating 4 times. Closest it came was 3 times and start of 4th PBB PBB PBB P. I won on the 2nd bet but it was a break even as I was playing 30-30-90
Next time I think I may increase my bankroll and start playing 30-45-90 and cover the Tie bet as I am struggling to get caught with a real loss.
Cheers,
Ricky
PBandre -
Bet against BPPBPPBP or PBBPBBPB with 4 step progression 1/1/3/6. Tie will be not be ignored. If tie appear during betting, stop bet loss accepted.Let me summarise the facts based on your post.
5 hrs of 4 rapid baccarat tables approx@1hr per shoe give 20 shoes.
You played 4 games. 3 games stop bet on the tie loss accepted, 1 game breakeven on the 2nd bet.
Giving you -3+0 = net loss of -3.
3 out of 4 games, the tie appear after the 1st bet.
This falls in according to the stats I presented earlier. The complete loss of all 4 steps comes in at 1-2 times every 100 shoes.
One important practical aspect to note for b&m casino that I highlighted earlier. The geographical layout of the rapid baccarat machines must be close enough each other to allow you to scan those set of machines together - continuous walk to and fro between those machines to scan for the pattern. There may be instances where 2 or more machines may show partial formation of the pattern at the same time.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 04:05 PM 2018
I just came back from the B&M Casino just mentioned looking for the PBB PBB PBB PBB and stayed there playing for 5 hours (talk about Patience and discipline). They had 4 Rapid Baccarat tables open. I put on 4 bets all night playing this system and got caught twice with the Tie on the second bet causing my bankroll to go down by $55. Third time I covered the Tie with $25 and $5 on tie. And lucky I did as It came up a Third time. Recovered previous loss with it. But in 5 hours of continuous play I did not come across one PBB or BPP repeating 4 times. Closest it came was 3 times and start of 4th PBB PBB PBB P. I won on the 2nd bet but it was a break even as I was playing 30-30-90
Next time I think I may increase my bankroll and start playing 30-45-90 and cover the Tie bet as I am struggling to get caught with a real loss.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky
It's a good idea you cover the tie with some chips recovering previous loss playing the progression.
I don't worry about the that because I recovery the loss fast playing online casino.
I rarely go to the four step progression.
The casino can't stop me from winning. They can stop me only if I'm banned.
I think I found the best strategy ever. It can't be "lucky".
The baccarat variance is very limited.
It's like a dream coming true...
Quote from: cht on Mar 29, 10:46 PM 2018One important practical aspect to note for b&m casino that I highlighted earlier. The geographical layout of the rapid baccarat machines must be close enough each other to allow you to scan those set of machines together - continuous walk to and fro between those machines to scan for the pattern. There may be instances where 2 or more machines may show partial formation of the pattern at the same time.
Hi CHT,
At the B&M casino I play at there are all the Rapid games (Roulette,SicBo,Baccarat,Blackjack) all lined up in front of the bank of electronic tables as you see in the photo of the link I shared. I sit right in fron of the 4 Baccarat tables as the dealer deals them. On the very first game I actually had to abandon the betting sequence for a $10 loss because I underestimated the number of cards left. I lost the first hand and the cards ran out so I could not continue betting. So from now on I sit right in front in close view of the discard tray to ensure I only bet while there are enough cards to complete the 3 or 4 step progression.
My mission yesterday was to see if I could play this method with discipline and patience without making errors. My intention was not to come out with a large profit. It would be a bonus if I did. Fortunately, I came out $5 ahead won playing PB on Rapid SicBo so no loss to my bankroll. But the experience has confirmed to me that this pattern of BPP BPP BPP BPP appearing 4 times is extremely rare and I should have confidence risking large bets on this method. As pointed out in above post I will expect to lose in time as any pattern can come out at any time but if you find something this rare you need to exploit it until it proves not to be as rare as you think. Whats the cost 30-30-90 = $150. Not life shattering. What's the reward if you are right 30x100=$3000. I think I will risk losing 150 to have potential of gaining 100 games in a row playing 5 games a day. I just got to ensure I cover the Tie as this is the only thing I am getting caught on. But since doing this I have been rewarded.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 30, 12:11 AM 2018I think I found the best strategy ever. It can't be "lucky".
The baccarat variance is very limited.
It's like a dream coming true...
Andre, I am not sure what it is about it but it is the only 3 sequence pattern repeat that I have seen that has this limitation. As shown above it can happen on a shoe but this seems to be 1 in 1000. Now having said that I am convinced that the automatic shuffling machines are not truly random and they do have some logical arrangement to encourage you to either bet with or against a pattern. So to create those obvious patterns would coerce gamblers to bet in a certain manner. Given the right conditions the Casino will profit from a misguided belief that a certain pattern will form or fail to form. Just like what we are doing with BPP and PBB. So if this pattern became one of those covered by the shuffling machine we will probably start seeing them appear more often. So I'm always on the look out for this change of fortunes.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 06:26 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
My latest testing in continuous play confirms Gizmo's finding in that you cannot get the same win rate playing game after game without avoiding the inevitable loss. So hit and run allows you to be more selective in playing PB.
BUT what I am noticing is that I rarely get two losses in a row playing continuously and occasionally I get a winning streak of 6 or more before the next loss.
So to improve my performance I have incorporated a Recovery mode. I am playing 0-1-2 now with a FOR/AGAINST based on the first spin result. This has improved performance in continuous mode and speeds recovery with lower risk.
So now I am adjusting my BOT to see if I can simulate hit and run while playing continuously. I am hoping this will resolve the last hurdle we have in playing PB continuously.
NEW RULES: (in beta)
1. Play continuously until you encounter a loss.
2. Record the winning streak before the loss.
3. Now play your two recovery rounds and then continue playing until you have played the same number of games as your last winning streak.
4. Now start VIRTUAL BETTING until you encounter another VIRTUAL LOSS.
5. Once a Virtual Loss is encountered resume betting up to the number of games of your last winning streak.
6. If you reach the number of winning games without a loss for 2 times after initial recording then continue betting until your next real loss. This will allow you to record a longer winning streak.
7. If at any time you experience a loss before reaching your current winning streak then use this reduced winning streak for future sessions and repeat the above process.
This NEW RULE should in theory improve the win rate of playing PB continuously and avoid running into real losses. It will hopefully simulate a hit and run scenario playing continuously in a BOT which has all the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE in the world.
Feel free to use your models to test this theory out. I am in the process of updating my BOT to use the above rules and see if I can improve real play the PB method over 100 games playing continuously but selectively
cheers,
Ricky
I have just completed the above rules into my bot and have started playing continuously with a 100 euro stop loss and a 50 euro profit target. I will let it run overnight and see if it meets my target. My goal is to see if the overall performance is better than the continuous play where it bet on every opportunity.
Now it will dynamically record the longest sustainable winning streak before hitting a loss and then play to that limit before pausing the betting sessions. It will continue tracking and execute virtual bets until it gets a virtual loss. This will be a loss that is avoided. It will then resume tracking/betting for the current maximum winning streak. Check the rules above for more details.
I will share the results of before and after this change to check their relative performance. I am hoping this will simulate the hit and run style of play and cause it to find the winning games while avoiding the losing ones and provide similar 8-11/1 win/loss ratio as Sentinel and others have achieved (including myself playing hit/run over 10 days). If this same result is achieved playing 100 real continuous games then this grinder of a method will prove to work in a bot which has all the discipline and patience in the world.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Mar 29, 10:46 PM 2018
PBandre -
Bet against BPPBPPBP or PBBPBBPB with 4 step progression 1/1/3/6. Tie will be not be ignored. If tie appear during betting, stop bet loss accepted.[/size]
Let me summarise the facts based on your post.
5 hrs of 4 rapid baccarat tables approx@1hr per shoe give 20 shoes.
You played 4 games. 3 games stop bet on the tie loss accepted, 1 game breakeven on the 2nd bet.
Giving you -3+0 = net loss of -3.
3 out of 4 games, the tie appear after the 1st bet.
This falls in according to the stats I presented earlier. The complete loss of all 4 steps comes in at 1-2 times every 100 shoes.
One important practical aspect to note for b&m casino that I highlighted earlier. The geographical layout of the rapid baccarat machines must be close enough each other to allow you to scan those set of machines together - continuous walk to and fro between those machines to scan for the pattern. There may be instances where 2 or more machines may show partial formation of the pattern at the same time.
I can understand encountering a tie
during tracking and then ending the tracking then and there -- and RESTARTING the tracking from scratch.
The part I have difficulty accepting is treating the tie as a loss
during actual betting and moving to the next step of the progression (which might entail increasing the betting amount as well).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 30, 04:45 AM 2018The part I have difficulty accepting is treating the tie as a loss during actual betting and moving to the next step of the progression (which might entail increasing the betting amount as well).
I Hear you DR that's why I now cover it and account for it in my profit goal. Its like covering the Zero bet in Roulette. In SicBo we actually have the Treble bet so I am covering that to when I play it. When you have a good method you need to cover the house edge. Fortunately with Baccarat you have a bonus. You get you large E/C bet back as well so its a real bonus win with minimal risk.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 29, 06:26 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
My latest testing in continuous play confirms Gizmo's finding in that you cannot get the same win rate playing game after game without avoiding the inevitable loss. So hit and run allows you to be more selective in playing PB.
BUT what I am noticing is that I rarely get two losses in a row playing continuously and occasionally I get a winning streak of 6 or more before the next loss.
So to improve my performance I have incorporated a Recovery mode. I am playing 0-1-2 now with a FOR/AGAINST based on the first spin result. This has improved performance in continuous mode and speeds recovery with lower risk.
So now I am adjusting my BOT to see if I can simulate hit and run while playing continuously. I am hoping this will resolve the last hurdle we have in playing PB continuously.
NEW RULES: (in beta)
1. Play continuously until you encounter a loss.
2. Record the winning streak before the loss.
3. Now play your two recovery rounds and then continue playing until you have played the same number of games as your last winning streak.
4. Now start VIRTUAL BETTING until you encounter another VIRTUAL LOSS.
5. Once a Virtual Loss is encountered resume betting up to the number of games of your last winning streak.
6. If you reach the number of winning games without a loss for 2 times after initial recording then continue betting until your next real loss. This will allow you to record a longer winning streak.
7. If at any time you experience a loss before reaching your current winning streak then use this reduced winning streak for future sessions and repeat the above process.
This NEW RULE should in theory improve the win rate of playing PB continuously and avoid running into real losses. It will hopefully simulate a hit and run scenario playing continuously in a BOT which has all the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE in the world.
Feel free to use your models to test this theory out. I am in the process of updating my BOT to use the above rules and see if I can improve real play the PB method over 100 games playing continuously but selectively
cheers,
Ricky
Yes Ricky THE BET AFTER A LOSS. Is one of the most CERTAIN things in all of gambling. My strikerate for that game after a loss over nearly 11 years is 31--1.
Thats why I always double up on it.
Lets say you had a really poor 100 game set. And lost 12 or 13 times out of a 100. You would be either just 4 units in profit. Or 4 units in the red.
BUT if you had doubled up on each of the games after a loss. The likelyhood is you would have won them all.
So in the instance of 12 losses. You would STILL have 16 units profit from a poor set. In the instance of 13 losses. You would have 9 units profit. From an even poorer set.
Using that recovery bet Ricky turns PB into a virtual grail. Its impossible to lose money longterm employing it.
On a really good set you would hit 94--6. That would equate to 52 units profit from the straight games. And an Additional 6 units profit from the recovery games. For a grand total of 58 units.
For a poor set you would lose 4 units on the straight games. Make 13 units from the recovery games. For a grand total of 9 units profit.
And in 11 years my worst result is 89--11. Again and again the vast majority of people wiil never ever see for themselves how solid PB is, because they just cant stay with it long enough. Thats the price of coming to realize this game is absolutely beatable with a mechanical system.
And as it should be. Only a tiny percentage of people will come to this understanding.
Quote from: cht on Mar 29, 10:46 PM 20185 hrs of 4 rapid baccarat tables approx@1hr per shoe give 20 shoes.
Hi CHT,
just to clarify a small point in case members misunderstood how I spent the 5 hours. I am sitting at an electronic table able to switch between all the Rapid games including Roulette which have video cameras on each that appear on your screen. There is also a large permanent screen above the table games showing all the history at a glance. Also, the history clears when there is a change of shoe. A hand is dealt every 15-30 seconds depending on the dealer's distractions. So for 5 consecutive hours with small breaks in between I was monitoring all 4 baccarat tables and able to bet on any that presented the trigger. This is why I can claim this pattern PBB and BPP are so rare to repeat 4 times that I even had to resort to betting after the 6th hand making the pattern because the 8th hand was unlikely to form the trigger before either it failed to complete of a Tie resulted. I missed so many games because of the Tie. So by betting the Tie I capture those games as well. But that also increases the risk that the 8th pattern will form and you are then 2 steps into a progression when you could have saved those two bets. Patience
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 30, 05:38 AM 2018
Hi CHT,
just to clarify a small point in case members misunderstood how I spent the 5 hours. I am sitting at an electronic table able to switch between all the Rapid games including Roulette which have video cameras on each that appear on your screen. There is also a large permanent screen above the table games showing all the history at a glance. Also, the history clears when there is a change of shoe. A hand is dealt every 15-30 seconds depending on the dealer's distractions. So for 5 consecutive hours with small breaks in between I was monitoring all 4 baccarat tables and able to bet on any that presented the trigger. This is why I can claim this pattern PBB and BPP are so rare to repeat 4 times that I even had to resort to betting after the 6th hand making the pattern because the 8th hand was unlikely to form the trigger before either it failed to complete of a Tie resulted. I missed so many games because of the Tie. So by betting the Tie I capture those games as well. But that also increases the risk that the 8th pattern will form and you are then 2 steps into a progression when you could have saved those two bets. Patience
Cheers,
Ricky
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Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 30, 05:34 AM 2018BUT if you had doubled up on each of the games after a loss. The likelyhood is you would have won them all.
Hi Sentinel, As I have a limited bankroll and risk more playing continuously using the bot I am deploying the 0-1-2 method. I expect to lose more often but can also accept more loses as I am only risking 3 units rather than 7 units.
I am also covering the Zero, and as just happened while typing I got lucky and made and extra 2 units.
For recovery I am using 0-2-4 for two games after a loss to recover most of my loss. Due to the Zero coverage I have not increased my bet further to cover its loss but expect over time to recoup this whenever Zero hits.
In my simulations of the above method it did show that I was playing much less games than I was playing continuously so it more reflects what you are doing playing every two hours with breaks in between and then not playing again until the next day.
But you limit your play because you do not want to spend your whole life in front of the computer or at a casino. If you did do this then I am sure you would play hit and run more often than 10 games a day and still obtain similar results. Is this the way you define hit and run?
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 30, 04:45 AM 2018
I can understand encountering a tie during tracking and then ending the tracking then and there -- and RESTARTING the tracking from scratch.
The part I have difficulty accepting is treating the tie as a loss during actual betting and moving to the next step of the progression (which might entail increasing the betting amount as well).
Two options to deal with tie during actual betting -
1. Ignore tie, or
2. Place a small insurance bet on tie.
Quote from: cht on Mar 30, 05:56 AM 2018Place a small insurance bet on tie.
That's what I do now. My progression is settle at 20 - 25,5(Tie) - 80,10(Tie)
Unless I encounter the 4 repeated patterns and lose the 3rd bet I will ALWAYS come out ahead especially if the Tie Hits
Step 1 Bet 20 Win 20
Step 2 Bet 20 + 25+5 Win 5. If Tie hits Win 8x5 - 20 = 40 - 20 = 20
Step 3 Bet 20 + 30 + 80 + 10 = 140 Win 80 - 60 = 20. If Tie hits Win 80-20-30=30
Cheers
Ricky
Cheers,
Why do not ignore the Tie:
I just saw yesterday night:
BPP BPP BPP T BPP BPP
Tie breaks the pattern most of the time.
I've seen it happen other times.
You can cover placing bet on Tie and leave the game when the Tie appears.
Well, I won't discuss it anymore.
Today I was inspired by the topic of DR Talos on the website of KAV
Andre, maybe you'll be interested, maybe we'll create a company.
We will collect investors and we will play their money for the shares.
We will release 1,000,000 shares from 1 dollar each.
Everybody will be able to buy as much as you want.
Not everyone has time to play, we have a lot of time to play.
We have access to almost all online casinos on the world
And the most important thing iswe know how to multiply your money, thanks to Andre strategy.
We will not hide anything, lead a baiting game.
We will present what strategy we will play.
With a very secure management money method.
We will share a 50/50 profit.
Think about this proposal is very serious.
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Nothing will be hidden in creating a company.
You ask, you could do it by PM massages
But I do not want to hide anything, If Andre agrees, it will be part of the story
We will share 50/50 with investors
I also like 50/50 with Andre, not to hide for me and Andre will be a 25% profit for each.
Quote from: ozon on Mar 30, 05:18 PM 2018
Today I was inspired by the topic of DR Talos on the website of KAV
Andre, maybe you'll be interested, maybe we'll create a company.
We will collect investors and we will play their money for the shares.
We will release 1,000,000 shares from 1 dollar each.
Everybody will be able to buy as much as you want.
Not everyone has time to play, we have a lot of time to play.
We have access to almost all online casinos on the world
And the most important thing iswe know how to multiply your money, thanks to Andre strategy.
We will not hide anything, lead a baiting game.
We will present what strategy we will play.
With a very secure management money method.
We will share a 50/50 profit.
Think about this proposal is very serious.
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Nothing will be hidden in creating a company.
You ask, you could do it by PM massages
But I do not want to hide anything, If Andre agrees, it will be part of the story
We will share 50/50 with investors
I also like 50/50 with Andre, not to hide for me and Andre will be a 25% profit for each.
DREAMER
Of course.
But why not give up on your dreams.
In outher forum, the person is trying something like that, with no bases and evidence.
Here we have full transparency.
The whole concept is based on this system.
Why not push it further.
People want money, we will play the same method that has been earning so far.
Why not try it.
Quote from: ozon on Mar 30, 05:46 PM 2018
Of course.
But why not give up on your dreams.
In outher forum, the person is trying something like that, with no bases and evidence.
Here we have full transparency.
The whole concept is based on this system.
Why not push it further.
People want money, we will play the same method that has been earning so far.
Why not try it.
If you guys have the invincible stragedy then you really don't need all this stuff.
invest your own money and get rich...
But why wait and build a bankroll slowly.
We will be starting from the highest peak.
And it is always more motivation and will result in more discipline.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 30, 05:54 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel, As I have a limited bankroll and risk more playing continuously using the bot I am deploying the 0-1-2 method. I expect to lose more often but can also accept more loses as I am only risking 3 units rather than 7 units.
I am also covering the Zero, and as just happened while typing I got lucky and made and extra 2 units.
For recovery I am using 0-2-4 for two games after a loss to recover most of my loss. Due to the Zero coverage I have not increased my bet further to cover its loss but expect over time to recoup this whenever Zero hits.
In my simulations of the above method it did show that I was playing much less games than I was playing continuously so it more reflects what you are doing playing every two hours with breaks in between and then not playing again until the next day.
But you limit your play because you do not want to spend your whole life in front of the computer or at a casino. If you did do this then I am sure you would play hit and run more often than 10 games a day and still obtain similar results. Is this the way you define hit and run?
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky
Heres the deal, DONT THINK you MUST! play 5 or 10 games or whatever a day.
There are days i only play ONE GAME. And others I play TEN.
It all depends on what im doing. Where I am. My first game of the day. ALWAYS played between 3--6AM. Is my only COMPULSORY GAME. After that its up to me.
As ive said many times before the FIRST GAME has no equal. A person with a 10k plus bankroll could make a living just playing that ONE GAME A DAY. Its that good.
Ive had years where is only lost 15 to 20 times out of 365 DAYS. You have to take those kind of stats SERIOUSLY.
It goes back to what ive been saying since I landed on this forum 7 years ago. IF YOU CAN WAIT, YOU CAN WIN.
🛑PATIENCE🛑
That tenet of absolute success is what so many people lack. Casinos are BUILT on people who have no patience. So in short Ricky THE LESS YOU PLAY with PB the MORE YOU WIN.
Thats why your goal must be to raise the UNIT VALUE of your bet. So you reach a point you only need TWO GAMES MAX a day to sustain a living.
Thats where you want to be. VARIANCE HOUSE edge only bite people who stay in the cycle TOO LONG.
That why 100k plus simulation tests of a systems longterm value are POINTLESS.
They arent taking into account. That there are occasions i only play ONE GAME a day. I am playing on different wheels. HIT AND RUN in its ultimate incarnation.
PURE RANDOM INFREQUENT ENTRY INTO VARIANCES CYCLE.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 31, 05:20 AM 2018
Hi Ricky
Heres the deal, DONT THINK you MUST! play 5 or 10 games or whatever a day.
There are days i only play ONE GAME. And others I play TEN.
It all depends on what im doing. Where I am. My first game of the day. ALWAYS played between 3--6AM. Is my only COMPULSORY GAME. After that its up to me.
As ive said many times before the FIRST GAME has no equal. A person with a 10k plus bankroll could make a living just playing that ONE GAME A DAY. Its that good.
Ive had years where I only lost 15 to 20 times out of 365 DAYS. You have to take those kind of stats SERIOUSLY.
It goes back to what ive been saying since I landed on this forum 7 years ago. IF YOU CAN WAIT, YOU CAN WIN.
🛑PATIENCE🛑
That tenet of absolute success is what so many people lack. Casinos are BUILT on people who have no patience. So in short Ricky THE LESS YOU PLAY with PB the MORE YOU WIN.
Thats why your goal must be to raise the UNIT VALUE of your bet. So you reach a point you only need TWO GAMES MAX a day to sustain a living.
Thats where you want to be. VARIANCE HOUSE edge only bite people who stay in the cycle TOO LONG.
That why 100k plus simulation tests of a systems longterm value are POINTLESS.
They arent taking into account. That there are occasions i only play ONE GAME a day. I am playing on different wheels. HIT AND RUN in its ultimate incarnation.
PURE RANDOM INFREQUENT ENTRY INTO VARIANCES CYCLE.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 31, 05:20 AM 2018
Heres the deal, DONT THINK you MUST! play 5 or 10 games or whatever a day.
There are days i only play ONE GAME. And others I play TEN.
Hi Sentinel,
I appreciate your feedback and for someone who is playing this manually this is definitely the way to play. But my whole purpose in joining the forum and this thread was to determine if there was a method of play you could automate into a bot to play for you and be the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE that so many of us are lacking. As a minimum this bot can be launched every morning when you would normally play manually and you could just monitor it do the tracking and betting in a DISCIPLINED manner following the rules that you have defined in regards to Bet Selection, Betting Method and progression.
All attempts to find this method have been futile for me until I came across the PATTERN BREAKER method. So now I am fine tuning the BOT to play more like those with PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE do.
Sure, with enough Bankroll I would get the BOT to play that 1 or 2 games a day with a high bankroll. But the question would be if you were confident enough that the method was highly successful playing Hit & Run, what would it take to play Hit and Run more often than once or twice a day. I think the rules I have mentioned in recent thread and the one I have just programmed and testing will come pretty close to finding out if an automated system playing "continuously" in a Hit and Run style of play will provide the same performance as one played manually between 1-10 times a day.
In regards to multiple online casinos allowing you to spread that randomness across different wheels and environments, this makes the bot even more powerful in that you can either use it to run sequentially as you do going from one casino to another and then maybe back to the first one, or you could setup multiple computers to run the process on all online casinos simultaneously.
At the most extreme, given the confidence to leave the bot running unattended, you get your day back in the knowledge the system is working for you. Your bankroll is protected because you have strict rules to stop playing in the event of a series of unexpected losses. Again these rules enforce the DISCIPLINE that 98% of us lack.
I will publish the results once I have completed the first 100 games but to give you an idea of how it is going, in two days it has played 26 games and performed 22W-4L and just experienced another loss while in recovery mode which I have not tallied yet. So now its performing a 2 step recovery as you would do playing manually. Hopefully it does not experience any more losses while in recovery mode. But it has a stop loss of 100 euro so if this is breached it will stop until further instructions given.
The good thing now is the BOT will only play for 1 game before going into tracking only mode without betting until it experiences another VIRTUAL LOSS. So the theory is that experience shos that back to back losses are rare. By avoiding the first loss we encounter we hopefully will avoid another loss immediately after and be in a better position to avoid further losses.
As per all testing, this is the ultimate test playing real money on real live casinos to prove that played with PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE what you have been saying for 11 years is absolutely CONFIRMED. It is always the lack of these two attributes that is the downfall of any system.
I look forward to sharing the results in a few days time. Just to give you an idea of how many spins of the wheel there are on a live casino per day I have estimated 185 spins an hour or 4440 spins per day. While playing I am playing about 3 games an hour or a potential of 70 games per day. However, with Hit and Run mode many of these games will be skipped to avoid playing continuously. So I would imagine I should be able to get around 25-40 games played per day. I have set a maximum winning streak of 8 before stopping and WAITING for a loss before resuming. This maximum will change dynamically between 1-8 depending on how many losses are encountered during the max continuous 8 games. So with this method I hope to extend the winning streak to more than 8 by avoiding real losses and try to reach similar results you have recorded over the years of 30-50 wins in a row. I appreciate you sharing these statistics. It will give me a guide to what I should be aiming for playing this way. It will also judge the success or failure of this attempt at automating what you have been doing manually for all these years.
Cheers,
Ricky.
Quote from: ozon on Mar 30, 06:21 PM 2018
But why wait and build a bankroll slowly.
We will be starting from the highest peak.
And it is always more motivation and will result in more discipline.
Ok, in regards to PATTERN BREAKER in Baccarat playing PBB or BPP not repeating 4 times, I am formulating my business plan to fund my own bankroll and playing manually at B&M casino for high unit value. I am following in Andre's steps to achieve my $100K goal by the end of this year.
The reason I am doing this is I just returned from another visit to the Casino to test the system again in a Hit and Run mode. I did the same as the other night and tracked the 4 baccarat tables. This time I found 3 triggers within 2 hours and missed a few more while I had a break. Fortunately, I did not need to go to the 2nd Step but I was prepared. Had a $300 bankroll hoping not to strike an unlucky run. Played 20-25,5(Tie)-80,10(Tie) progression and won all 3 games in Step 1. Plus, as a bonus I discovered there are another bank of electronic machines away from where the Rapid Baccarat tables are that allow you to play the same games for min $5. The ones next to the tables playing the exact same dealer is $10 min. So while I was waiting for the 6-8th hand to be dealt showing the pattern BPP BPP BP I put a side bet on that the 8th hand would continue the pattern (in fact this was a mistaken bet as I wanted to bet AGAINST the 8th hand not forming the trigger). To my delight the trigger was raised and I won the $5 and then started the 3 step progression and won $20 on the first step. Another time I did find a pattern that failed to complete to the 8th hand and placed another $5 bet at the 6th hand. I won that.
So in 2 hours I placed 5 bets and won 5 times lost 0 for a total of $70.
I subsequently went to many of the other Baccarat tables to observe if I could find a 4 repeater. Out of about 30 tables scattered around the casino, not one was showing a 4 repeater. There were a few that would have created the trigger and repeated 3 times but failed to continue to PBB PBB PB[B PB] so I would have won all games on at the most the 2nd step had I played on those tables.
This experiences has given me the confidence to take this to the next level. On Monday I will make another trip and take my current Bankroll earned since Feb ($600) playing PB at the B&M casino and I am going to add another $1000 to the Fighting Fund for a total of $1,700. I will then use the following progression playing just 3 games
Step 1 : $100 Win $100
Step 2 : $125,$25 Break Even or $100 for Tie Win
Step 3 : $400,$50 Win $100 or $150 for Tie Win
For a total risk of $700.
If I experience a loss I may change my betting strategy to only play after a 9 pattern is formed which could take me all night to find. But I will bet a 2 step in this case using $225,$25 - $400,$50
I will attempt to win 3 games for a goal of $300.
If successful I will visit the Casino twice a week and make $1200 a month for 2 months. There after I will continue increasing my bet size for those 3 games and possibly limit play to 1 game to get a return of $2,000 per week or 100K per annum. This bet unit I hope to get to by June to ensure I get to go to Vegas with Andre and Sentinel ;D
This is my plan for Playing Pattern Breaker on Baccarat until I start experiencing unsustainable losses. To date I have not experienced one real loss so I have real confidence this plan will succeed.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Ricky.
Just thinking about how your playing... Wouldn't waiting on a virtual loss be making you jump into the losing games more often and making you avoid the step 1 wins.
Maybe have a look at playing a 3,6,10 (+3,+3,+1) progression i think it worked out the most profitable.
But after saying all that 22-4 is great for a 3-1 bet so maybe just keep with it haha
Cheers
re: Starting point
Sentinel3 starts at 3am and ends at 6am with the Original PB.
I was thinking is a rigid starting point
necessary for success or just at dealer change
(or some other entry point like three consecutive ECs)?
Quote from: Apolloo on Mar 31, 12:35 PM 2018
Hi Ricky.
Just thinking about how your playing... Wouldn't waiting on a virtual loss be making you jump into the losing games more often and making you avoid the step 1 wins.
Maybe have a look at playing a 3,6,10 (+3,+3,+1) progression i think it worked out the most profitable.
But after saying all that 22-4 is great for a 3-1 bet so maybe just keep with it haha
Cheers
Hi Apolloo,
Just to explain when using the continuous play on the BOT I am using a 0-1-2 progression. Actually I am using a 2 step 4,0.1 / 8.6,0.6 covering the Zero to make 4 euro
For Recovery I am actually doing 0/1.5/3 which equates to 6.2,0.5 / 12.6,1 covering the Zero for two games or an additional 4 games is loss came in recovery mode.
For the first spin of the 3 step pattern I wait for the result and bet either FOR or AGAINST in the next 2 steps.
Now the whole idea of limiting my play after a certain winning streak is to simulate the Hit & Run scenario. By tracking the spins while in this non betting mode I will miss many wins but I will also avoid the losses. So the theory is I should avoid many of the losses and obtain a longer winning streak but playing longer than if playing continuously. After all when you are not playing Roulette in a Hit & Run scenario you are indeed missing many wins and avoiding the losses.
Hope this explains my reasoning in case you are not sure the way I am playing
Cheers,
Ricky
Ow yes i remember now you playing for or against.. Does make a difference if playing step 2 step 3 only as gives you your trigger to bet either FOR or AGAINST.
fully understand now. And interested to see your results over couple hundred games.
Cheers
I just had my first "true" loss.
BPP BPP BPP BPP P
Progression 50 50 150 300
Total loss $550
Well, I already hoped it would happen anytime. But did it have to be on Saturday? :( Lol
But that's ok...
Next time after I bet on the fourth step of the progression and lose, I will immediately start the recovery mode in the same game.
Ex: BPP BPP BPP BPP (loss) start recovery mode against the pattern.
Or I'm thinking using only a 3 step progression and if had a loss I start the recovery mode immediately against the pattern.
Ex: 50 50 150 (loss) start recovery mode: 100, 200...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 31, 04:20 PM 2018
I just had my first "true" loss.
BPP BPP BPP BPP P
Progression 50 50 150 300
Total loss $550
Well, I already hoped it would happen anytime. But did it have to be on Saturday? :( Lol
But that's ok...
Thanks for being honest in reporting your loss.
Hope you recoup it soon.
You are thinking of using a recovery progression (using larger dollar amounts per betting unit).
I am very reluctant to take that approach because, if by any chance, you hit another loss soon, you will find yourself in a bigger hole.
I am MORE risk-averse than other posters on this forum, so that is why I am saying that.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 31, 04:35 PM 2018
Next time after I bet on the fourth step of the progression and lose, I will immediately start the recovery mode in the same game.
Ex: BPP BPP BPP BPP (loss) start recovery mode against the pattern.
Or I'm thinking using only a 3 step progression and if had a loss I start the recovery mode immediately against the pattern.
Ex: 50 50 150 (loss) start recovery mode: 100, 200...
Just out of curiosity, I am asking this:
how frequently do you see BPP BPP BPP?
Because if a 3-peat occurs frequently enough, then you can wait for one and then go in and bet against the 4-peat from happening with only
a 1 1 3 progression.
I am NOT very keen on 4-step negative progressions. By now, you probably know that! :D :D
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 31, 04:20 PM 2018
I just had my first "true" loss.
BPP BPP BPP BPP P
Progression 50 50 150 300
Total loss $550
Well, I already hoped it would happen anytime. But did it have to be on Saturday? :( Lol
But that's ok...
Ouch. Thanks for sharing Andre. Wish me luck for tomorrow I do not encounter the same fate. I have to say though I am still confident and will be prepared for this situation.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 31, 06:38 PM 2018
Just out of curiosity, I am asking this:
how frequently do you see BPP BPP BPP?
Because if a 3-peat occurs frequently enough, then you can wait for one and then go in and bet against the 4-peat from happening with only
a 1 1 3 progression.
I am NOT very keen on 4-step negative progressions. By now, you probably know that! :D :D
Hi DR,
you are thinking exactly like me. Check my previous post where I will be going to B&M Casino tomorrow and will start playing big. If I do encounter a loss with BPP BPP BP[P BP] my next bet will wait for the 3 peat BPP BPP BPP and then start betting a 2 step. I will take the bet I would have made on the virtual loss and add it to my 1st Step. eg
Normally I would wait for BPP BPP BP as the trigger and then bet 100/125,25/400,50 AGAINST PBP completing the 3rd repeat and starting the 4th repeat
But in recovery mode I would bet the same amount but wait for the 3rd repeat to complete after the 9th hand rather than the 8th hand. So the trigger becomes BPP BPP BPP
Then I will only bet a 2 step but the first step will be (100+125),25 = 225,25. Then the 2nd Step will be the same as my normal 3rd step of 400,50
With this recovery I am hoping not to get a back to back loss. But I would have to be extremely unfortunate for this to happen considering I am struggling anywhere to find these patterns. If I do encounter this then I may need to be prepared like Andre and go for the next step but I do not want to think about it. Given how long it has been since Andre has been playing to find a real loss my experience is still comparing well to Andre's.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: sentinel3 on Mar 31, 05:20 AM 2018
Hi Ricky
Heres the deal, DONT THINK you MUST! play 5 or 10 games or whatever a day.
There are days i only play ONE GAME. And others I play TEN.
It all depends on what im doing. Where I am. My first game of the day. ALWAYS played between 3--6AM. Is my only COMPULSORY GAME. After that its up to me.
As ive said many times before the FIRST GAME has no equal. A person with a 10k plus bankroll could make a living just playing that ONE GAME A DAY. Its that good.
Ive had years where is only lost 15 to 20 times out of 365 DAYS. You have to take those kind of stats SERIOUSLY.
It goes back to what ive been saying since I landed on this forum 7 years ago. IF YOU CAN WAIT, YOU CAN WIN.
🛑PATIENCE🛑
That tenet of absolute success is what so many people lack. Casinos are BUILT on people who have no patience. So in short Ricky THE LESS YOU PLAY with PB the MORE YOU WIN.
Thats why your goal must be to raise the UNIT VALUE of your bet. So you reach a point you only need TWO GAMES MAX a day to sustain a living.
Thats where you want to be. VARIANCE HOUSE edge only bite people who stay in the cycle TOO LONG.
That why 100k plus simulation tests of a systems longterm value are POINTLESS.
They arent taking into account. That there are occasions i only play ONE GAME a day. I am playing on different wheels. HIT AND RUN in its ultimate incarnation.
PURE RANDOM INFREQUENT ENTRY INTO VARIANCES CYCLE.
JL,
My thinking on this issue is that if anyone is playing PB on a daily basis, then he/she should play it
at the most 2 games a day.In my experience, PB and related rare pattern-based games only work (or seem to work) when played on a hit-and-run basis and also
only when played sparingly.
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 31, 07:11 PM 2018
Hi DR,
you are thinking exactly like me. Check my previous post where I will be going to B&M Casino tomorrow and will start playing big. If I do encounter a loss with BPP BPP BP[P BP] my next bet will wait for the 3 peat BPP BPP BPP and then start betting a 2 step. I will take the bet I would have made on the virtual loss and add it to my 1st Step. eg
Normally I would wait for BPP BPP BP as the trigger and then bet 100/125,25/400,50 AGAINST PBP completing the 3rd repeat and starting the 4th repeat
But in recovery mode I would bet the same amount but wait for the 3rd repeat to complete after the 9th hand rather than the 8th hand. So the trigger becomes BPP BPP BPP
Then I will only bet a 2 step but the first step will be (100+125),25 = 225,25. Then the 2nd Step will be the same as my normal 3rd step of 400,50
With this recovery I am hoping not to get a back to back loss. But I would have to be extremely unfortunate for this to happen considering I am struggling anywhere to find these patterns. If I do encounter this then I may need to be prepared like Andre and go for the next step but I do not want to think about it. Given how long it has been since Andre has been playing to find a real loss my experience is still comparing well to Andre's.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
How frequently or infrequently are you coming across a 3-peat?
Most likely it will be quite infrequently, but if you are playing in a location where you can track multiple tables simultaneously, then maybe the long wait is tolerable.
Waiting for a 3-peat is attractive to me because then you can bet against the 4-peat using a 1 1 3 negative progression (it is better than the 1 1 3 6 progression, in my book).
Two alternate progressions that may be worth a look for this
modified version of PB are the 1 2 2 and the 1 2 3 progressions -- both of them exploit the fact that over 80% of the wins seem to come in the first two steps (as per my experience playing
the original PB method).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 31, 07:32 PM 2018
JL,
My thinking on this issue is that if anyone is playing PB on a daily basis, then he/she should play it at the most 2 games a day.
In my experience, PB and related rare pattern-based games only work (or seem to work) when played on a hit-and-run basis and also only when played sparingly.
Hi DR,
well that's what I intend to find out. You are coming from the mindset of someone playing this manually and spending your time doing this. MY bot was doing this while I was sleeping. And just to give you an idea of the POWER if this works. When I was posting last night it encountered 3 losses in a row for loss of 60 euro before it had a chance to go into tracking only mode and I got nervous that you would prove to be right. So I went to bed determined to let it play its DISCIPLINED rules. If it continued losing then it would stop at 100 euro loss for the session. But to my delight this morning it won the next 6 games and went into tracking only mode during this time until it encountered another virtual loss. So at least in this short sample it has proven to be successful in avoiding what would have been a 4th loss. Also to my delight one of the wins was Zero for a total gain of 40 euro. So it is now only 11 euro from its previous high. Since I started testing the bot in this way it has made 47 euro profit.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 31, 07:44 PM 2018
Ricky,
How frequently or infrequently are you coming across a 3-peat?
Most likely it will be quite infrequently, but if you are playing in a location where you can track multiple tables simultaneously, then maybe the long wait is tolerable.
Waiting for a 3-peat is attractive to me because then you can bet against the 4-peat using a 1 1 3 negative progression (it is better than the 1 1 3 6 progression, in my book).
Two alternate progressions that may be worth a look are the 1 2 2 and the 1 2 3 progressions -- both of them exploit the fact that over 80% of the wins seem to come in the first two steps (as per my experience playing the original PB method).
Hi DR,
the 3 repeat in my experience has been very rare. As I mentioned, tracking 4 tabled CONTINUOUSLY for 2 hours last night I won each trigger in the 1st step. So each occasion it only managed a 2 2/3 repeat losing on the completion of the 3rd repeat. So to wait for this pattern to complete as a trigger is going to be a real grind and only allow you to make possibly 1 bet for the whole night. So as per hit and run method the only way to make this worthwhile is to go for the big bet to make one big win and get out. Many with little or no patience will find it hard after travelling to the casino to "Gamble" to only place one solitary bet. I was observing people around me and their behaviour in betting. One old man had what he thought was a good system all written down and looking for his triggers playing Baccarat. He was inserting $50 note continuously placing multiple bets every couple of hands what looked to be a martingale method. He left a few hundred dollars lighter.
I think I am overcoming this urge and have learnt to be a bit more disciplined in my play. To only put on 5 bets all night (probably 2 bets too many) and leave with $70 profit was a great feeling of success not only for the profit but for the DISCIPLINE in sticking with the system and not chopping and changing to try and put on a bet. I even did not use the original PB method on Roulette or SicBo and my mission was to play Baccarat for this one method BPP 4 repeater.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 31, 06:53 PM 2018
Ouch. Thanks for sharing Andre. Wish me luck for tomorrow I do not encounter the same fate. I have to say though I am still confident and will be prepared for this situation.
Hi Andre,
out of curiousity as I don't play on William Hill, are the cards hand shuffled or machine shuffled? I am convinced and very wary of my B&M casino that the machine shuffle for Baccarat shuffles them in a specific order to the Casino's advantage. At the online Casino I play at it is all hand shuffled which is the fairest way to play know there is no machine able to preorder the cards looking for betting patterns of players.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 31, 04:20 PM 2018
I just had my first "true" loss.
BPP BPP BPP BPP P
Progression 50 50 150 300
Total loss $550
Well, I already hoped it would happen anytime. But did it have to be on Saturday? :( Lol
But that's ok...
Sorry to hear that.
The next time a loss appear, can you pls take a screenshot or record down 15 hands before the start of the pattern. I'd like to study the loss formation. TQ.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 31, 07:44 PM 2018Waiting for a 3-peat is attractive to me because then you can bet against the 4-peat using a 1 1 3 negative progression (it is better than the 1 1 3 6 progression, in my book).
Two alternate progressions that may be worth a look for this modified version of PB are the 1 2 2 and the 1 2 3 progressions -- both of them exploit the fact that over 80% of the wins seem to come in the first two steps (as per my experience playing the original PB method).
Hi DR,
Just to respond to your suggested progressions, as you say, 80% of times you will win on 1st or 2nd step, I would definitely not do 1-1-3 due to the fact if you do win on 2nd bet you have spent all that time waiting for the best opportunity for no return. You need to have confidence that this pattern cannot go on forever. If you are not prepared to go 4 steps or even 5 steps at the bet level you have chosen with the knowledge you have gained from experience and the bankroll and table limits to support those bets then you should not be betting at that level but bet at a level you are more comfortable risking. I know it defies all advise about not using martingale to progress your bets but when you encounter such a rare event the odds have to be in your favor that you are right that the progression will not continue. Even though a 4-peat is rare but possible no-one has seen a 5-peat. So unlike roulette where a streak of reds or blacks can go on for 25-31 times and have endless randomness, Baccarat is very limited in its ability to produce those freak complex streaks. Yes it does do the same for Player and/or Banker with as many as 12 or 15 being seen occasionally. But to switch from player to banker in such a rigid pattern would require the deck of cards to be so precisely shuffled. That is why I am weary of shuffling machines because if it determined players were betting in this way making big profits then it would not take much to create the 5th pattern. But to hand shuffle would be a very rare event.
Its all about variance being much less with cards than with a spinning wheel or rolling the dice.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 31, 08:36 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
out of curiousity as I don't play on William Hill, are the cards hand shuffled or machine shuffled? I am convinced and very wary of my B&M casino that the machine shuffle for Baccarat shuffles them in a specific order to the Casino's advantage. At the online Casino I play at it is all hand shuffled which is the fairest way to play know there is no machine able to preorder the cards looking for betting patterns of players.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Andre,
It seems you have jinxed me. While on my Online Casino I came across the trigger and started betting with confidence that I would win yet another game but here it is my first loss. I did not go to the 4th Step which would have won. For the pattern still did fail to make the 4th repeat. In my recovery I will wait for 9 patterns before betting a 2 stepper.
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Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 01, 06:40 AM 2018
Hi Andre,
It seems you have jinxed me. While on my Online Casino I came across the trigger and started betting with confidence that I would win yet another game but here it is my first loss. I did not go to the 4th Step which would have won. For the pattern still did fail to make the 4th repeat. In my recovery I will wait for 9 patterns before betting a 2 stepper.
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Cheers,
Ricky
Another Close call. Since the last loss I recovered one game betting after 8th pattern. Did not wait to the 9th and won on 1st step and then just won on a tie on the 3rd step with this. I was prepared to go for broke and bet a 4th step but lucky I covered the Tie for a bonus win. Andre let me know if you are getting more close calls because it reminds us to tread with caution.
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Sentenil3
Can I just double check how you play!
Start betting once 7 patterns come out...
Do you do this in groups of 3 like below? Do your record 1-3 spins as a pattern, then 4-6 spin, 7-9, 10-12...and so on until you have 7 hit patterns with one pattern unhit left.
Or do you track patterns like 1-3 spin, 2-4 spin, 3-6spin, so looking at the last 3 numbers to form a pattern vs looking in blocks of 3?
Also if that progression just as before 1,2,4 = 7 units...no doubling up progression if you hit a loser?
You say in 100 day you win approx 92 and lose 8.
Read a lot of pages from the start a few months back just looking If you play the same.
Thanks
Thanks you
Quote from: Gzgzbee on Apr 01, 12:02 PM 2018
Sentenil3
Can I just double check how you play!
Start betting once 7 patterns come out...
Do you do this in groups of 3 like below? Do your record 1-3 spins as a pattern, then 4-6 spin, 7-9, 10-12...and so on until you have 7 hit patterns with one pattern unhit left.
Or do you track patterns like 1-3 spin, 2-4 spin, 3-6spin, so looking at the last 3 numbers to form a pattern vs looking in blocks of 3?
Also if that progression just as before 1,2,4 = 7 units...no doubling up progression if you hit a loser?
You say in 100 day you win approx 92 and lose 8.
Read a lot of pages from the start a few months back just looking If you play the same.
Thanks
Thanks you
Or Do you track patterns 1-3 spin 2-4 spin 3-6 so looking at last 3 numbers to form patterns . Vs looking for blocks of 3 .
Well that's more interesting than the original.
It will still lose but I think if you go for the comps in Vegas you will be a head .
Comps free rooms flat bet that's the only way to beat casinos.
Quote from: Gzgzbee on Apr 01, 12:02 PM 2018
Sentenil3
Can I just double check how you play!
Start betting once 7 patterns come out...
Do you do this in groups of 3 like below? Do your record 1-3 spins as a pattern, then 4-6 spin, 7-9, 10-12...and so on until you have 7 hit patterns with one pattern unhit left.
Or do you track patterns like 1-3 spin, 2-4 spin, 3-6spin, so looking at the last 3 numbers to form a pattern vs looking in blocks of 3?
Also if that progression just as before 1,2,4 = 7 units...no doubling up progression if you hit a loser?
You say in 100 day you win approx 92 and lose 8.
Read a lot of pages from the start a few months back just looking If you play the same.
Thanks
Thanks you
Actually, I have tried in the past of tracking the patterns in the alternate way that you suggested.
The advantage is that the tracking and waiting time for the 7th pattern is substantially shortened.
But, in my limited testing, I did get choppy results. By that I mean I got some losses early on (mixed in with wins, of course).
So I did not persist with it.
Maybe I gave up on it too easily.
But, for sure, this alternate way of tracking does shorten the tracking and waiting time.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 01, 02:44 PM 2018
Actually, I have tried in the past of tracking the patterns in the alternate way that you suggested.
The advantage is that the tracking and waiting time for the 7th pattern is substantially shortened.
But, in my limited testing, I did get choppy results. By that I mean I got some losses early on (mixed in with wins, of course).
So I did not persist with it.
Maybe I gave up on it too easily.
But, for sure, this alternate way of tracking does shorten the tracking and waiting time.
By the way, I call tracking the above way, tracking on a "rolling" basis. Just a terminology thing.
Ok then...so the normal way you track a pattern is in blocks of 3 spins.
How much spins does it normally take to get 7 patterns?
And in 100 games people are winning 94 approx and losing 6?
What’s the odd of losing the 3 step progression?
Quote from: Gzgzbee on Apr 01, 05:13 PM 2018
Ok then...so the normal way you track a pattern is in blocks of 3 spins.
How much spins does it normally take to get 7 patterns?
And in 100 games people are winning 94 approx and losing 6?
What’s the odd of losing the 3 step progression?
I don't want to say that this alternate way of tracking does not work.
It may work, but more testing is needed.
When I tested it (in the summer of 2015), it gave choppy results.
I gave up on it -- but maybe I gave up on it too soon.
Right now, I cannot commit any time to it because I am busy testing Andre's PB version and some columns methods involving the double zero wheel (a perennial interest of mine !).
I hope others who have time give this alternate tracking method some serious consideration. It may have some potential.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 01, 07:14 PM 2018
I don't want to say that this alternate way of tracking does not work.
It may, but more testing is needed.
When I tested it (in the summer of 2015), it gave choppy results.
I gave up on it -- but maybe I gave up on it too soon.
Right now, I cannot commit any time to it because I am busy testing Andre's PB version and some columns methods involving the double zero wheel (a perennial interest of mine !).
I hope others who have time give this alternate tracking method some serious consideration. It may have some potential.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Just to encourage others to do some testing of this alternate "ROLLING" tracking method, here is a brief description of it.
Let's say, you have the following six hands:
1. B
2. P
3. B
4. B
5. B
6. P
With the NORMAL way of tracking, you will get the following TWO patterns:BPB (for hands 1 2 3) and
BBP (for hands 4 5 6).
With the alternate "ROLLING" tracking method, you get the following FOUR patterns:BPB (for hands 1 2 3)
PBB (for hands 2 3 4)
BBB (for hands 3 4 5), and
BBP (for hands 4 5 6).
I hope you guys get the idea of this rolling method of tracking.
And as you guys can see, this rolling method of tracking generates patterns much faster than the traditional tracking method (good for cutting down on the tracking and waiting time for the first 7 patterns to appear).
So if any one of you have some time, please test this alternate rolling tracking method a try and see if it gives results different from the regular tracking method.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
i have been testing it on the rolling basis...anytime a pattern shows i cross it off
much faster than only going in groups of 3
BPBBBP
standard that would be BPB and BBP
on a rolling basis this would be BPB, PBB, BBB, BBP
much faster
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 01, 08:06 PM 2018
i have been testing it on the rolling basis...anytime a pattern shows i cross it off
much faster than only going in groups of 3
BPBBBP
standard that would be BPB and BBP
on a rolling basis this would be BPB, PBB, BBB, BBP
much faster
It cuts down on the waiting time, for sure.
But in terms of actually winning using the PB method (betting against the 8th pattern), does this rolling method of tracking deliver better or worse results than the traditional method of tracking?That is the all-important question.
When I tested it in the summer of 2015, I got mixed results. That is why I did not pursue it any further.
But maybe it was too hasty on my part to do so.
I have begun testing a baccarat method using a 3 wide matrix
using a 1 2 4 progression, if lose the 3 steps: take the loss
in one shoe I had a total of 2 progression busts and 19 wins leaving me with +5 units
will publish after i test several shoes
one progression bust -7 units
second progression lost -7 units
total down 14 units
total wins = +19 (stopping on a win and waiting until next series)
If I continue to duplicate this type of result making profit every shoe even after the busts, I will definitely be using large unit size
I have learned not to jump the gun, will test several shoes first....
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 01, 07:18 PM 2018
Just to encourage others to do some testing of this alternate "ROLLING" tracking method, here is a brief description of it.
Let's say, you have the following six hands:
1. B
2. P
3. B
4. B
5. B
6. P
With the NORMAL way of tracking, you will get the following TWO patterns:
BPB (for hands 1 2 3) and
BBP (for hands 4 5 6).
With the alternate "ROLLING" tracking method, you get the following FOUR patterns:
BPB (for hands 1 2 3)
PBB (for hands 2 3 4)
BBB (for hands 3 4 5), and
BBP (for hands 4 5 6).
I hope you guys get the idea of this rolling method of tracking.
And as you guys can see, this rolling method of tracking generates patterns much faster than the traditional tracking method (good for cutting down on the tracking and waiting time for the first 7 patterns to appear).
So if any one of you have some time, please test this alternate rolling tracking method a try and see if it gives results different from the regular tracking method.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Ricky,
Sorry for putting you on the spot. You seem to have some time nowadays doing some heavy duty testing and playing PB. Can you find some time to test this rolling method of tracking and see how it fares in playing PB (either JL's version or Andre's version)? If you are too busy or simply not interested, then just ignore this request. I won't mind one bit.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 01, 08:56 PM 2018
Ricky,
Sorry for putting you on the spot. You seem to have some time nowadays doing some heavy duty testing and playing PB. Can you find some time to test this rolling method of tracking and see how it fares in playing PB (either JL's version or Andre's version)? If you are too busy or simply not interested, then just ignore this request. I won't mind one bit.
Hi DR
I had a thought about your idea and my take is that if you are going to bet more often by closing the patterns sooner you are getting close to gambling and results could go either way. You give random a chance to beat you more often. I will give it a go once I complete my current testing.
At the moment I am almost up to 70 games and am getting winning and losing streaks. So will need to look at fine tuning the rules. I am still being too exposed to the variance as all my losses came before I had a chance to go into tracking only mode. At one stage I got 4 losses in a row which caused all profits to be wiped out.
So based on this result hit and run needs to be less exposed to long sessions. The sessions need to be staggered more to try and dodge those losing streaks.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 01, 09:47 PM 2018
Hi DR
I had a thought about your idea and my take is that if you are going to bet more often by closing the patterns sooner you are getting close to gambling and results could go either way. You give random a chance to beat you more often. I will give it a go once I complete my current testing.
At the moment I am almost up to 70 games and am getting winning and losing streaks. So will need to look at fine tuning the rules. I am still being too exposed to the variance as all my losses came before I had a chance to go into tracking only mode. At one stage I got 4 losses in a row which caused all profits to be wiped out.
So based on this result hit and run needs to be less exposed to long sessions. The sessions need to be staggered more to try and dodge those losing streaks.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
No problem -- if you have some time in the future, give it a try out. In the meantime, please continue reporting back to us on your current PB testing and playing.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 01, 09:47 PM 2018
Hi DR
I had a thought about your idea and my take is that if you are going to bet more often by closing the patterns sooner you are getting close to gambling and results could go either way. You give random a chance to beat you more often. I will give it a go once I complete my current testing.
At the moment I am almost up to 70 games and am getting winning and losing streaks. So will need to look at fine tuning the rules.
I am still being too exposed to the variance as all my losses came before I had a chance to go into tracking only mode.
At one stage I got 4 losses in a row which caused all profits to be wiped out.
So based on this result hit and run needs to be less exposed to long sessions.
The sessions need to be staggered more to try and dodge those losing streaks.
Cheers,
Ricky
Are you playing PB continuously? How many games (1 trigger means 1 game) are you playing per day or per session?
In my experience, the main reason that I am having some success with PB is because, in addition to playing PB on a hit-and-run basis, I play PB relatively
sparingly.So, for instance, I only play 4 games of PB at airball roulette and 2 games of PB at baccarat per casino visit (I can only visit casinos on some Fri/Sat nights and my average casino stay is usually for about 6 hours -- from a little after 10:00 PM to about 4:30 AM).
Ideally, I would like to get the above numbers reversed -- my preference would be 2 games of PB at airball roulette and 4 games of PB at baccarat (per 6 hour casino stay).
But I find it difficult to do that because the baccarat tables are usually totally occupied even as late as 2:00 AM! Over-the-shoulder betting is allowed at the 2 casinos that I visit, but I don't feel comfortable doing it (however, I might just have to overcome my inhibitions and start doing that type of bet placement in the near future!).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 01, 10:44 PM 2018
Are you playing PB continuously? How many games (1 trigger means 1 game) are you playing per day or per session?
In my experience, the main reason that I am having some success with PB is because, in addition to playing PB on a hit-and-run basis, I play PB relatively sparingly.
So, for instance, I only play 4 games of PB at airball roulette and 2 games of PB at baccarat per casino visit (I can only visit casinos on some Fri/Sat nights and my average casino stay is usually for about 6 hours -- from a little after 10:00 PM to about 4:30 AM).
Ideally, I would like to get the above numbers reversed -- my preference would be 2 games of PB at airball roulette and 4 games of PB at baccarat (per 6 hour casino stay).
But I find it difficult to do that because the baccarat tables are usually totally occupied even as late as 2:00 AM! Over-the-shoulder betting is allowed at the 2 casinos that I visit, but I don't feel comfortable doing it (however, I might just have to overcome my inhibitions and start doing that type of bet placement in the near future!).
Hi DR,
My bot is playing continuously not me. It has been running for 2 days straight. In that time I have been enjoying Easter with my family, sleeping, enjoying the holidays, going to the casino, and today just came back from a visit to a local walking trail. In between I have been responding to and adding message on the forum. In all this time the bot was playing DISCIPLINED and with PATIENCE. Technically it is doing exactly as I had hoped without losing my bankroll or hit my 100 euro stop loss. Performance is not great at the moment but its still in the black.
The Bot has played a total of 67 games with a 0-1-2 progression and current performance is 53-14 and 17 euro profit.
Base bets are 0/4,0.4/8.6,0.6 which covers the Zero.
Recovery bets are 0/6.2,0.62/12.6,1.13
I am limiting winning streak to max 8 games continuous play before pausing until I get a virtual loss
Current largest winning streak is 16W,0L
Current Largest Losing streak is 4L, 1W (happened twice)
I still have 33 games to go before my first 100 set is complete. Then I will analysis what went right, what went wrong and what tweaks I can make to improve the performance and avoid those losing streaks. But My currently view is this is getting very close to a typical Hit and Run expected Performance. The fact it is able to selectively stop betting and just track creates an opportunity to avoid potentially catastrophic losses while maximizing winning streaks. And that it is doing it with patience and discipline will help keep it on track for success.
In regards to manual play I totally agree with you, not because hit and run is any better than continuous play, but because I only intend to bet manually for my own enjoyment and challenge to meet my financial goals using a system that has an excellent hit rate without being too exposed to variance and random's ability to pop up and steal your money.
Yesterday's experience losing on Andre's version of PB after so many successful attempts is a timely reminder that random can pop up at any time. The challenge is not being there when he does. And for both Andre and me to lose at such close proximity in time playing on different casinos is a reminder that this method is not foolproof. After struggling to find the pattern for two days at B&M casino and online for a week and then to popup like that was uncanny. Since then I've been having a big think about the 3-4 step progression now that I am looking at increasing my betsize while playing only 3 sessions a day and 6 sessions a week.
One Idea I have is to use a reverse martingale where I bet big on the first Step and instead of flat betting or doubling my bet I may consider halving my bet on the next step to minimise larger losses. I know it sounds counter productive but its like you know the pattern should not repeat for too long its just you do not know how long. So by putting on smaller and smaller bets you know you will eventually win which means you will recoup some of your lost bets. I guess its like the D'Alembert but instead of increasing your bet on a loss you are decreasing it. But always start back at the highest bet size for the next game. I will have a bigger think about it for long term play using PB Andre style and see if most wins come on 1st step. It will make sense in this case to do this.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky.....Which is safer bet for 1 2 4 progression....roulette or baccarat?
Quote from: viclimks on Apr 02, 08:14 AM 2018
Ricky.....Which is safer bet for 1 2 4 progression....roulette or baccarat?
Depends what bet selection you are using. If its just a random selection the progression is the same risk. But in my experience when you are looking for a specific "rare" pattern that you hardly see then Baccarat has more limited variance in randomly generating those patterns. So you should feel safer betting 1-2-4. But, as a lot on this forum have mentioned including myself a risk averse gambler does not like using 1-2-4 due to the risk/reward factor. You are risking 7 units to make 1 unit. I feel more comfortable risking 3 units to make 1 unit especially when I start betting $100 base bets
Cheers,
Ricky
Did anyone try the 3-bet progressive cycle betting series?
1-1-2
1-2-2
2-2-2
2-2-3
2-3-3
3-3-3......etc
If all 3 bets in a cycle are lost move up to next bet cycle.
If a win occurs in a cycle then restart from the beginning of that cycle line UNLESS level or ahead overall in which case restart from cycle 1 (1-1-2)
A.
For instance here is a baccarat session example and result using FLEX betting for EC's:
start @1-1-2
B
B
P
P
P
P
P
B
P L1 -1
P W1 +0
B
P W1 +1
P W1 +2
B
P W1 +3
P W1 +4
P
B
B L1 +3
B
B
B
P
B L1 +2
B W2 +4
B
B
P
P L1 +3
B
B W1 +4
B
P
B L1 +3
B W1 +4
B
P
P L1 +3
B
B W1 +4
B
B
P
P W1 +5
+5 IN 44 OUTCOMES
HIGHEST BET=2
HIGHEST CYCLE=1-1-2
Would this cyclic betting series work out and be profitable if applied to PB Sentinel or PB Andre? Sure, it could take longer but perhaps less riskier?? Just wondering - if anyone cares to take time out to try it that way........ :)
A.
Hi Ricky,
I was traveling and did not have time to see and answer all the messages . What were the results of your bets? Did you have losses? I've only had one loss so far.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 02, 03:10 AM 2018
Yesterday's experience losing on Andre's version of PB after so many successful attempts is a timely reminder that random can pop up at any time. The challenge is not being there when he does. And for both Andre and me to lose at such close proximity in time playing on different casinos is a reminder that this method is not foolproof. After struggling to find the pattern for two days at B&M casino and online for a week and then to popup like that was uncanny. Since then I've been having a big think about the 3-4 step progression now that I am looking at increasing my betsize while playing only 3 sessions a day and 6 sessions a week.
Cheers,
Ricky
No one ever said that the method is foolproof. I always said that the method wins a lot more than it loses.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 02, 12:09 PM 2018
No one ever said that the method is foolproof. I always said that the method wins a lot more than it loses.
Yes Andre it does. Only had one loss so far and one close call saved by the Tie. Overall on my Online play I'm ahead 13 euro due to a 140 euro loss. 8W 1L
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 31, 07:32 PM 2018
JL,
My thinking on this issue is that if anyone is playing PB on a daily basis, then he/she should play it at the most 2 games a day.
In my experience, PB and related rare pattern-based games only work (or seem to work) when played on a hit-and-run basis and also only when played sparingly.
ABSOLITELY DOCTOR.
By the end of this year. I will be at a point I NEVER play more than 2 games a day max.
But those games must be worth at least 50 units each by that point.
Quote from: viclimks on Apr 02, 08:14 AM 2018
Ricky.....Which is safer bet for 1 2 4 progression....roulette or baccarat?
The answer to this question is nearly beyond any debate.
For most, maybe all, EC bet selection methods, the baccarat bets of Banker / Player is the better option compared to their counterparts in roulette (R/B, O/E, and H/L).
Why?
The tie in baccarat does not punish you as do the 0/00 in roulette.
As for the 1 2 4 progression, that is of questionable merit regardless of whichever game you want to apply it on.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 02, 10:52 AM 2018
Did anyone try the 3-bet progressive cycle betting series?
1-1-2
1-2-2
2-2-2
2-2-3
2-3-3
3-3-3......etc
If all 3 bets in a cycle are lost move up to next bet cycle.
If a win occurs in a cycle then restart from the beginning of that cycle line UNLESS level or ahead overall in which case restart from cycle 1 (1-1-2)
A.
Thanks for another interesting suggestion.
The above progression converts PB into a grinder EC betting method -- and that actually has its own merits (which deserves more testing).
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 01, 10:32 AM 2018
Another Close call. Since the last loss I recovered one game betting after 8th pattern. Did not wait to the 9th and won on 1st step and then just won on a tie on the 3rd step with this. I was prepared to go for broke and bet a 4th step but lucky I covered the Tie for a bonus win. Andre let me know if you are getting more close calls because it reminds us to tread with caution.
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Some days the game goes easy like a Sunday morning and I win a lot. Some days I play for hours and I have to go to step 4 of the progression.
Today, for example, is not being a good day for me. Too much stress...
Ricky
It's like an undefeated boxer. When he loses for the first time he loses a bit of self confidence and begins to question himself. In the next fight he has more caution and a little fear that the defeat will occur again.
That's how I'm feeling... I'm scared
CHT, Doctor, Ricky, Sentinel3
That was close...
Well, my bankroll keeps growing up. If I start having big losses using this strategy I simply stop using it. Simple like that.
I had to go to the four step progression again and it's scared me a lot.
I have to stop using the 4 step progression or I will get a heart attack.
PS: But at the same time I think the baccarat variance is very limited. So if you have a large bankroll and put some money on Tie you can go far away using progression.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 02, 09:14 PM 2018
Well, my bankroll keeps growing up. If I start having big losses using this strategy I simply stop using it. Simple like that.
I had to go to the four step progression again and it's scared me a lot.
I have to stop using the 4 step progression or I will get a heart attack.
PS: But at the same time I think the baccarat variance is very limited. So if you have a large bankroll and put some money on Tie you can go far away using progression.
Hi Andre
It seems to be coming in waves.
The gambling gods are testing our patience.
I suggest if you have a large bet on for step 1 and 2 and you have had a few losses the skip bet 3. If it would have lost then go for broke with step 4. If it would have won the you have only lost 2 bets and should be able to recover easier in next games
Alternatively wait for the 9th hand and a full 3 peat before start betting. I have never seen a 5Peat so a 4 step progression from the would be safer.
What you can also do is reduce your bet size gradually over the 4 steps so you aim for less profit at each step eg
100
100
250
510
The numbers scare me but they need to be backed up with a larger bankroll
It’s all in proportion. If you are scared after losing you probably are betting too high for your bankroll
Last thing is cover the tie at least on those big bets. Since I have been doing this I am feeling more comfortable and have been saved more than once with it.
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 02, 07:18 PM 2018
Ricky
It's like an undefeated boxer. When he loses for the first time he loses a bit of self confidence and begins to question himself. In the next fight he has more caution and a little fear that the defeat will occur again.
That's how I'm feeling... I'm scared
Andre losing should be EXPECTED. Its how you deal with the loss. Learn to PROFIT from losses.
Im not sure why you feel the need to play a 4th step. What you should study is the average wait between Step 1 wins and Step 2 etc.
For example with PB the way I play it. In nearly 15,000 games. The longest gap between step 1 wins is 10 games. And thats RARE. Thats only happened 3 times in 11 years.
The average is 4 games. Knowing these things is POWERFUL. And gives you great confidence.
Hey Andre :)
If you don't like the size of the progression
you can skip the first two
bets and bet on the last two legs.
Example: PBB PBB PBB PPP(2x optional)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 02, 07:18 PM 2018
Ricky
It's like an undefeated boxer. When he loses for the first time he loses a bit of self confidence and begins to question himself. In the next fight he has more caution and a little fear that the defeat will occur again.
That's how I'm feeling... I'm scared
How to place that $1000/1000/3000/6000 dream bet in Vegas ?
When you have lost $100k, it's easy. :xd: :xd: :xd:
Come on, it's a super rare event that happens only on rx simulation not real casino play.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 03, 01:28 AM 2018
Andre losing should be EXPECTED. Its how you deal with the loss. Learn to PROFIT from losses.
Im not sure why you feel the need to play a 4th step. What you should study is the average wait between Step 1 wins and Step 2 etc.
For example with PB the way I play it. In nearly 15,000 games. The longest gap between step 1 wins is 10 games. And thats RARE. Thats only happened 3 times in 11 years.
The average is 4 games. Knowing these things is POWERFUL. And gives you great confidence.
JL,
That is why I am so very opposed to long negative progressions -- for me, even a 4-stepper is too long (well, at least border-line too long).
And, yes, I agree with you that you have to collect statistics on (and then pay attention to) where most of the losses and most of the wins are occurring.
When I decided to switch from my 1 2 2 progression to my new 1 2 progression, it was NOT based on some whimsical fancy of mine.
It was based on the repeated observation that approximately 80% of the wins occur on the first two steps of the 3 steps of the standard PB betting progression (when we are betting against the last remaining pattern -- the 8th one).
That is why I decided to make the big switch from the standard 3 steps to the 2 steps that I am using now.
Our goal should always be to use as short a progression as possible to attain our profit goals, given the hostile nature of this game. And a 4-stepper is a tad bit too long -- and too steep -- for me, especially given the actual 1 1 3 6 progression that our buddy Andre is using.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 03, 01:28 AM 2018
Andre losing should be EXPECTED. Its how you deal with the loss. Learn to PROFIT from losses.
Im not sure why you feel the need to play a 4th step. What you should study is the average wait between Step 1 wins and Step 2 etc.
For example with PB the way I play it. In nearly 15,000 games. The longest gap between step 1 wins is 10 games. And thats RARE. Thats only happened 3 times in 11 years.
The average is 4 games. Knowing these things is POWERFUL. And gives you great confidence.
Here are the stats for PB on Baccarat betting against BPP and PBB repeating 4 times with 3 step progression
31 W 1L
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Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 02, 09:14 PM 2018
Well, my bankroll keeps growing up. If I start having big losses using this strategy I simply stop using it. Simple like that.
I had to go to the four step progression again and it's scared me a lot.
I have to stop using the 4 step progression or I will get a heart attack.
PS: But at the same time I think the baccarat variance is very limited. So if you have a large bankroll and put some money on Tie you can go far away using progression.
Andre,
If you are determined to use a 4-step progression, here is an alternate 4-stepper that you can use, in lieu of the 1 1 3 6 progression that you are currently using.
How about using
the unorthodox 1 2 2 2 progression?Here are some points about this progression:
1. The fact that you start out with 1 2 means that you are targeting
winning on the first two steps of the progression.
In the standard JL's version of PB, 80% of the wins come on the first two steps of the 3 steps of the progression -- have you collected statistics to show on which steps you are getting most of the wins for your version of PB?
In contrast, note that in your 1 1 3 6 progression, you are
trying to break even on your 2nd step.2. With the 1 2 2 2 progression, if you win on the 3rd step, you suffer only a 1 unit loss for that game (something that you can recoup quite easily with your method).
3. If you win on the 4th step, you suffer a 3 unit loss for that game.
It is not that bad, given point no. 4 below.
4. When you lose all 4 steps of the 1 2 2 2 progression, you are down
7 units for that game.
This is in contrast to the
11 units that you are down when you lose all 4 steps of your 1 1 3 6 progression.
Give some thought to this alternate
1 2 2 2 progression. I think it may have some advantages over the one that you are currently using.
Hi DoctorSudoku,
Using the 3-step cyclic progression over 4 bets would look like this:
1121
2222
2223
2333
3333
4344
4444
4545
5555....etc...
But if a four-step cycle series would be simply like this:
1-1-1-2
1-1-2-2
1-2-2-2
2-2-2-2
2-2-2-3
......... etc...
If a win occurs in a cycle then restart from the beginning of that cycle line UNLESS level or ahead overall in which case restart from first cycle.
Although, personally, I like the 3-step cycle prog I posted earlier..
A.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 03, 02:41 AM 2018
JL,
That is why I am so very opposed to long negative progressions -- for me, even a 4-stepper is too long (well, at least border-line too long).
And, yes, I agree with you that you have to collect statistics on (and then pay attention to) where most of the losses and most of the wins are occurring.
When I decided to switch from my 1 2 2 progression to my new 1 2 progression, it was NOT based on some whimsical fancy of mine.
It was based on the repeated observation that approximately 80% of the wins occur on the first two steps of the 3 steps of the standard PB betting progression (when we are betting against the last remaining pattern -- the 8th one).
That is why I decided to make the big switch from the standard 3 steps to the 2 steps that I am using now.
Our goal should always be to use as short a progression as possible to attain our profit goals, given the hostile nature of this game.
And a 4-stepper is a tad bit too long -- and too steep -- for me, especially given the actual 1 1 3 6 progression that our buddy Andre is using.
ABSOLUTELY. If I could win with one spin a DAY. I would take it.
The less time spent playing the BETTER.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 03, 02:50 AM 2018
Here are the stats for PB on Baccarat betting against BPP and PBB repeating 4 times with 3 step progression
31 W 1L
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Thats impressive Ricky. But why then is there a NEED to risk on a 4th step. You ALREADY have a great strikerate on three steps.
Why not stick to it. And master the win loss patterns of the first two steps. So you raise and lower on those two steps. At the appropriate times.
Instead of taking a big nerve shaking risk on that 4th step.
Think about this. If back to back losses are virtually impossible with this system. And you suffer a loss. You should be able to pull back at least half that loss on the very next game.
That would be the way to play it.
Sentinel.... r u still playing 3 steps on baccarat or roulette....what is the results overall now for u...
Quote from: viclimks on Apr 03, 06:32 AM 2018
Sentinel.... r u still playing 3 steps on baccarat or roulette....what is the results overall now for u...
Hi I will give an update on Thursday evening when I hit 15,000 games.
Its always a longterm winner. And Im still playing the 3 steps on PB for roulette. The only thing thats changed now is im being more selective about what I bet on each step.
According to whats happening with the results. So for example if I have 4 wins in a row on STEP 1. I now start to favour the other 2 steps more. Especially step 2. As STEP 1 rarely wins more than 5 times in row.
These are things that can be exploited. Thats why its ESSENTIAL to document all your results. Over time they show you patterns of win loss that make it almost possible to read what will happen. At least withing 2--3 attempts.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 03, 05:57 AM 20184. When you lose all 4 steps of the 1 2 2 2 progression, you are down 7 units for that game.
This is in contrast to the 11 units that you are down when you lose all 4 steps of your 1 1 3 6 progression.
Give some thought to this alternate 1 2 2 2 progression. I think it may have some advantages over the one that you are currently using.
Hi Sentinel
This is exactly my thinking as I prepare to take the leap and start betting $100 base bets. I was thinking of going the two step but looking back at my wins I am even thinking about only doing one step and possibly only play games where I have 3 COMPLETE repeats. I came across another today as soon as I started tracking and went to the 2nd step where I won. So it managed to complete the 3 PBB repeats but failed on the very next hand to start the 4th. So you could almost flat bet with this system it is that good.
The other option I suggested to Andre is to reduce your profit at each step. eg if you intend to make 100 euro, on the 2nd step instead of doubling up (or even going for breakeven), why not aim for 50 euro gain. So your second bet would be 150 rather than 200
eg
S1 100
S2 150
S3 275
In base terms its 1 - 1.5 - 2.75
The alternative may be the D'Alembert progression where you try to get into profit over multiple wins rather than on a single win so Down if you win, Up if you lose on a 1-2-4-5-8 progression or 1-2-3-4-5-6 to be less steep
Another thing you could do is bet the 1st and/or 2nd Step using a smaller profit target. For me when I was not too confident of an easy 1 step win I would place 5 or 10 euro on first step. If it lost I would go 10 or 15 euro on 2nd. If it lost then I would commit to my original 40 euro base bets for step 3 and 4 relatively confident from past experience that I would win the bigger bets.
So its like 5-10-40-80
In all cases From Step 2 or 3 onwards I am covering the Tie bet.
Cheers
Ricky
Ricky .... r u also playing PB on baccarat....how’s the result ?
Quote from: viclimks on Apr 03, 07:11 AM 2018
Ricky .... r u also playing PB on baccarat....how’s the result ?
I stopped playing it because PB Andre revised version is performing more superior
Performance of PB on Baccarat was comparable to Roulette but had the bonus of Tie not losing your E/C bet.
Ricky, DoctorSudoku, sentinel3, proofreader,
Thanks for the support and suggestions for using different types of progression.
Currently Im using the progression 50, 50, 150, 300.
I play 6, 7 games a day making a profit of around $250, $300 a day.
I'm playing "my strategy" using the 4 step progression for about 3 months and I had only one "real" loss.
But using the 4 step progression is getting my hair white... Lol.
Im thinking to try the 3 step progression 1, 2, 2 and if it loses I start immediately the recovery mode betting against the pattern of the same game.
Ex: 50, 100, 100 (loss) start recovery mode 125, 250, 250
Anyway my bankroll is growing up.
I saw the pattern forming for 4 times only once and was the game that I had a loss.
PS: I will cover the Tie
Cheers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 03, 07:53 AM 2018
Ricky, DoctorSudoku, sentinel3, proofreader,
Thanks for the support and suggestions for using different types of progression.
Currently Im using the progression 50, 50, 150, 300.
I play 6, 7 games a day making a profit of around $250, $300 a day.
I'm playing "my strategy" using the 4 step progression for about 3 months and I had only one "real" loss.
But using the 4 step progression is getting my hair white... Lol.
Im thinking to try the 3 step progression 1, 2, 2 and if it loses I start immediately the recovery mode betting against the pattern of the same game.
Ex: 50, 100, 100 (loss) start recovery mode 125, 250, 250
Anyway my bankroll is growing up.
I saw the pattern forming for 4 times only once and was the game that I had a loss.
PS: I will cover the Tie
Cheers
Hi Andre,
Definitely a good move covering the Tie. I found that was the only down side of my original betting strategy. To know it pays 8:1 and you only going for 1:1 with a good chance of not losing the E/C bet puts a sour note on what would have been a bonus win.
My progression with Tie is currently 20 - 25,5 - 80,10 with only 3 steps. I may change this to 10 - 25,5 - 80,10 to have a win in every step.
You can adjust betting according to your bet size
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 03, 03:06 AM 2018
Andre,
If you are determined to use a 4-step progression, here is an alternate 4-stepper that you can use, in lieu of the 1 1 3 6 progression that you are currently using.
How about using the unorthodox 1 2 2 2 progression?
1/1 or 1/1/1/1 - test it.
Here are some points about this progression:
1. The fact that you start out with 1 2 means that you are targeting winning on the first two steps of the progression.
In the standard JL's version of PB, 80% of the wins come on the first two steps of the 3 steps of the progression -- have you collected statistics to show on which steps you are getting most of the wins for your version of PB?
In contrast, note that in your 1 1 3 6 progression, you are trying to break even on your 2nd step.
2. With the 1 2 2 2 progression, if you win on the 3rd step, you suffer only a 1 unit loss for that game (something that you can recoup quite easily with your method).
3. If you win on the 4th step, you suffer a 3 unit loss for that game.
It is not that bad, given point no. 4 below.
4. When you lose all 4 steps of the 1 2 2 2 progression, you are down 7 units for that game.
This is in contrast to the 11 units that you are down when you lose all 4 steps of your 1 1 3 6 progression.
Give some thought to this alternate 1 2 2 2 progression. I think it may have some advantages over the one that you are currently using.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 03, 07:53 AM 2018
Ricky, DoctorSudoku, sentinel3, proofreader,
Thanks for the support and suggestions for using different types of progression.
Currently Im using the progression 50, 50, 150, 300.
I play 6, 7 games a day making a profit of around $250, $300 a day.
I'm playing "my strategy" using the 4 step progression for about 3 months and I had only one "real" loss.
But using the 4 step progression is getting my hair white... Lol.
Im thinking to try the 3 step progression 1, 2, 2 and if it loses I start immediately the recovery mode betting against the pattern of the same game.
Ex: 50, 100, 100 (loss) start recovery mode 125, 250, 250
Anyway my bankroll is growing up.
I saw the pattern forming for 4 times only once and was the game that I had a loss.
PS: I will cover the Tie
Cheers
You are welcome Andre.
The important thing is your BANKROLL OVERALL is moving in the right direction..Thats all that matters.
If your strikerate is going to stay about 15/1 you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
I always aim to take two steps forward for every step backwards. It looks like you can take 3 or 4 steps forward for every step backwards.
So unless you start finding more losses closer together. I wouldnt even sweat it Andre. Youve found your system with this one.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 03, 09:00 AM 2018
You are welcome Andre.
The important thing is your BANKROLL OVERALL is moving in the right direction..Thats all that matters.
If your strikerate is going to stay about 15/1 you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
I always aim to take two steps forward for every step backwards. It looks like you can take 3 or 4 steps forward for every step backwards.
So unless you start finding more losses closer together. I wouldnt even sweat it Andre. Youve found your system with this one.
Thank you sentinel3
I forgot to say that in those 3 months playing the revised version with the 1, 1, 3, 6 progression I break even several times and I didnt win a few times because I didnt cover the tie.
The correct progression that I'm actually using is 45, 45, 135, 270 and not 50, 50, 150, 300.
I play for 5 days a week. The average profit is 225 per day playing 6 or 7 games (It can be a long wait). But as i said before playing is my job.
Just to make things clear.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 03, 09:00 AM 2018So unless you start finding more losses closer together. I wouldnt even sweat it Andre. Youve found your system with this one.
Hi all,
I just came across this on youtube and I am wondering if anyone else can see the merit in it if you combine it with PB on Baccarat
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHRYtdChRY (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHRYtdChRY)
Its a positive parlay method which risks 31 units for 10 losing bets in a row but guarantees a positive return if you get at least 2 wins in a row.
Progression is 1 1 1 2 2 4 4 8 8
But the kicker is you double your bet on a win for the next bet if you do not win 2 in a row and end in the black. The video explains the exact rule. also check link:://:.moneyblowers.com/roulette-systems/parlay-31-roulette-system (link:://:.moneyblowers.com/roulette-systems/parlay-31-roulette-system) for a good explanation and table of win/loss scenarios.
Using this described progression you would wait for BPP BPP BP to form and then follow the described progression betting [BPBB] for the next 4 bets until a win. With this method you could go up to 10 to risk 31 units but you would not do that and unlikey to get 10 losses in a row.
Now we know that the most losing bets we should get are 4 before a win and MOST wins come in the First Bet so we should get many back to back wins on the first step which meets out criteria for a positive bankroll as long as we get 2 wins in a row.
Lets try a typical example using my recent results
I will use the results around my recent 3 step loss to demonstrate what would have happened if we used this progression and method of betting.
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is an example getting
Betting Progression is 1 1 1 2 2 4 4 8 8
Game 1 WIN Step 1
Bet 1 unit +1
Game 2 WIN Step 1
Bet 2 unit +3
Game 3 WIN Step 1
Bet 1 unit +4
Game 4 WIN Step 1
Bet 2 unit +6
Game 5 WIN Step 3
Bet 1 unit Loss +5
Bet 1 unit Loss +4
Bet 1 unit Win +5
Won but not < +4 so now we need to double bet in Next Game
Game 6 WIN Step 1
Bet 2 units (double last win) Win +7
TWO WINS IN A ROW Now +7 > +4 (previous high) so end of progression. We start progression from Start at 1 unit
Game 7 LOSS Step 3
Bet 1 Unit Loss +6
Bet 1 Unit Loss +5
Bet 1 Unit Loss +4
Lost 3 units need to continue progression with 2 units in next game or alternatively continue to Step 4 in current game. Lets assume we stopped Current game.
Game 8 WIN Step 1
Bet 2 units Win +6
Won but +6 < +7 so now we need to double bet in Next Game
Game 9 WIN Step 3
Bet 4 units Loss +2
Bet 2 units Loss 0
Bet 4 units Win +4
Won but +4 < +7 so now we need to double bet in Next Game
So on the next trigger we will bet 8 units
Game 10 WIN Step 1
Bet 8 units Win +12
TWO WINS IN A ROW Now +12 > +7(previous high) so end of progression. We Start at 1 unit
Game 11 WIN Step 2
Bet 1 unit Loss +11
Bet 1 unit Win +12
Won but +12 <= +12 so now we need to double bet in Next Game
Game 12 WIN Step 1
Bet 2 units Win +14
TWO WINS IN A ROW Now +14 > +12(previous high) so end the progression. We Start at 1 unit
Ricky
That's called Parlay 31. Most of the players in this forum have gone through this. It has been proven that there is no advantage compared to the martingale. Waste of time.
Sorry...
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 03, 10:33 AM 2018Won but not < +4 so now we need to double bet in Next Game
Game 6 WIN Step 1
Bet 2 units (double last win) Win +7
TWO WINS IN A ROW Now +7 > +4 (previous high) so end of progression.
Sorry a typo should read
Quote
Won but not < +6 so now we need to double bet in Next Game
Game 6 WIN Step 1
Bet 2 units (double last win) Win +7
TWO WINS IN A ROW Now +7 > + 6 (previous high) so end of progression.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 03, 10:46 AM 2018
Ricky
That's called Parlay 31. Most of the players in this forum have gone through this. It has been proven that there is no advantage compared to the martingale. Waste of time.
Sorry...
Thanks Andre for feedback just food for thought given what we know about this version of pattern breaker. I am thinking the method could be used sparingly in case we get unexpected losses. We could also modify the rules or shorten the progression from 10 to 6. What I liked about it is it only takes 2 wins in a row on the 1st step to get back into profit
But lets park it for now and continue with what is working.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 03, 10:57 AM 2018
Thanks Andre for feedback just food for thought given what we know about this version of pattern breaker. I am thinking the method could be used sparingly in case we get unexpected losses. We could also modify the rules or shorten the progression from 10 to 6. What I liked about it is it only takes 2 wins in a row on the 1st step to get back into profit
But lets park it for now and continue with what is working.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
Like Andre, I have also tried this parlay method with various EC bet selection methods.
It gives very spotty results.
On the surface, it looks promising because it looks so easy to win 2 consecutive times.
However, even with the EC bets, getting those 2 consecutive wins sometimes is very difficult.
There are long stretches where it proves elusive.
And then you end up in a hole (or dig yourself a deeper hole).
I would NOT apply that parlay method to the PB bet selection method.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 03, 03:09 PM 2018
Ricky,
Like Andre, I have also tried this parlay method with various EC bet selection methods.
It gives very spotty results.
On the surface, it looks promising because it looks so easy to win 2 consecutive times.
However, even with the EC bets, getting those 2 consecutive wins sometimes is very difficult.
There are long stretches where it proves elusive.
And then you end up in a hole (or dig yourself a deeper hole).
I would NOT apply that parlay method to the PB bet selection method.
Yes keep it SIMPLE people.
Aim to get to a place where eventually you can make good money from as little as 10 games A WEEK.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 03, 10:33 AM 2018
Hi all,
I just came across this on youtube and I am wondering if anyone else can see the merit in it if you combine it with PB on Baccarat
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHRYtdChRY (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=-bHRYtdChRY)
Its a positive parlay method which risks 31 units for 10 losing bets in a row but guarantees a positive return if you get at least 2 wins in a row.
Progression is 1 1 1 2 2 4 4 8 8
But the kicker is you double your bet on a win for the next bet if you do not win 2 in a row and end in the black. The video explains the exact rule. also check link:://:.moneyblowers.com/roulette-systems/parlay-31-roulette-system (link:://:.moneyblowers.com/roulette-systems/parlay-31-roulette-system) for a good explanation and table of win/loss scenarios.
Using this described progression you would wait for BPP BPP BP to form and then follow the described progression betting [BPBB] for the next 4 bets until a win.
With this method you could go up to 10 to risk 31 units but you would not do that and unlikey to get 10 losses in a row.
Ricky,
I just thought that I would make this comment as an addition to my previous post.
It is not exactly true that you need to have 10 losses in a row for this method to lose.
You can end up losing the series when you get a bunch of
W L W Ls in a row also.
So, for instance, let's say you are betting 1 unit.
You win it and now you have 2 units. That's a W.
Then you parlay the 2 units and lose. You have sufferred an L -- and you also have lost your original 1 unit.
So you have on to the next step.
And then you can have another W followed by another L .
Then you are forced to move up to the next step.
And so on and so forth.
So while a series of
consecutive Ls can certainly make you lose with this method,
a series of zig zag patterns of W L W Ls also very frequently contributes to making us lose with this method.
In reality,
both consecutive Ls and a zig zag series of W L W Ls collectively cause us to lose the entire 31 units that we started out with.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 03, 07:34 PM 2018
Ricky,
I just thought that I would make this comment as an addition to my previous post.
It is not exactly true that you need to have 10 losses in a row for this method to lose.
You can end up losing the series when you get a bunch of W L W Ls in a row also.
So, for instance, let's say you are betting 1 unit.
You win it and now you have 2 units. That's a W.
Then you parlay the 2 units and lose. You have sufferred an L -- and you also have lost your original 1 unit.
So you have on to the next step.
And then you can have another W followed by another L .
Then you are forced to move up to the next step.
And so on and so forth.
So while a series of consecutive Ls can certainly make you lose with this method, a series of zig zag patterns of W L W Ls also very frequently contributes to making us lose with this method.
In reality, both consecutive Ls and a zig zag series of W L W Ls collectively cause us to lose the entire 31 units that we started out with.
Hi DR
yes I considered this scenario of WLWLWL which you classify as a choppy game has dire consequences for most negative progression strategies. I have done some testing with 1 euro base bets and can see the merits of the parlay 31 method as applied to Baccarat PB as I rarely get to the WLWLW situation and rarely get 5 losses in a row.
What I am thinking is you take the concept to the 2nd level 111 22. If you get to the end without 2 wins in a row you stop. But the betting is only to be done with the PB Andre version patterns because we never see a choppy game here. What it enables me to do is bet from the 5th pattern to the 8th pattern with relatively small bets say 1 or 2 euro base bet. If I get to the 8th pattern of BPP BPP BP it has triggered my normal betting so I can start betting for larger units as per normal 20,25-5,80,10
But if the trigger does not present which seems to be most times then I have the opportunity to make a few euro here and there. It will have minimal impact on overall bankroll
Cheers,
Ricky
Is there a way to understand this "thing" without reading 216 pages?
At the end all of you know that only a couple of posts here have "some" value.
I will code it with rx to show you that it's a loosing system, method or strategy.
One little thing...
Don't write things like "it's a mind set" , "self-discipline" or other bullshit like "wait two loosing months and then bet your salary on red".
Quote from: praline on Apr 03, 09:39 PM 2018
Is there a way to understand this "thing" without reading 216 pages?
At the end all of you know that only a couple of posts here have "some" value.
I will code it with rx to show you that it's a loosing system, method or strategy.
Hi praline,
I have already done so and shared on the forum I am testing some major modifications to it to run continuously. Will share results after 100 games played shortly (currently just completed 88 games)
But to save you the time to find the post here it is
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 17, 02:52 AM 2018
Once I have completed my testing I will share the full system with whoever is interested. Just PM me your details and I will get in touch to discuss further testing of the system. You will need to have a licenced copy of RX and RX bot to use the bot feature.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: praline on Apr 03, 09:43 PM 2018
One little thing...
Don't write things like "it's a mind set" , "self-discipline" or other bullshit like "wait two loosing months and then bet your salary on red".
Hi Praline. with an attitude like that I don't think this thread is for you. If you do not have the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE to use PATTERN BREAKER sparingly like sentinel and DR say then it is proven that you will not profit from this system playing manually. As I mentioned in recent posts I am testing this system using an automated system on RX with the BOT feature using REAL money not some 1million spin simulation. It has all the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE in the world while I get on with life. I am not a successful "gambler" so I need a bot to keep me DISCIPLINED. It has a lot of PATIENCE to wait for that 3-10 games a day to bet. At the moment its betting about 25 games a day for small 4-6 euro base bets. But this is for testing with a 600 euro bankroll to compare the win rate with those using sparingly for 1-10 games a day. I am trying to determine what they mean by HIT & RUN because it is not limited to waking up in the morning and placing those 3 bets and running. You should be able to hit and run at any time of the day.
If this method proves successful in the bot then this is probably the option for you. As I mentioned, PM me and I can share with you the system for your own testing
Cheers
Ricky
Ricky... Does PB works better in baccarat than roulette?Safer Bet i mean
Quote from: viclimks on Apr 04, 12:47 AM 2018
Ricky... Does PB works better in baccarat than roulette?Safer Bet i mean
Hi viclimks,
As DR mentioned earlier Baccarat has less variance than roulette. What you are betting against when you play Baccarat is one random event, the shuffle of the cards before the shoe starts. From that point on your fate of catching or avoiding patterns is set. So if you are lucky enough to use your chosen system on a favorably shuffled shoe you can profit. The patterns cannot change during the game. It does not depend on the number of players playing(in blackjack) or the speed at which the croupier spins the wheel or which objects it hit during its spin. Roulette has to deal with all these random events each and every spin. And these events dictate the fate of your bet. So the variance of random is much greater in Roulette than Baccarat. Besides that the rules are more favorable. Standard Baccarat you do not lose your bet when there is a Tie (player and banker hands are the same) So if you cover the tie in a long progression you get you relatively large bet back plus you win 8:1 on the tie. You can't ask for anything safer than that proposition. If you do find a rare pattern to bet against like PBB PBB PBB PBB and bet for the last 4 hands in 1-1-2-4 or 1-2-4-8 and cover the Tie bet on hands 2 or 3 to step 4 then you have a high probability of profiting.
But it is still a risk and the higher your progression the higher the risk. Because of the low variance in Baccarat I am prepared to risk 140 euro with 600 euro bankroll. In Roulette I am not prepared to take this risk because with my bad luck I am risk ruin to make a few units profit. Its not worth it.
Having said that DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE win in the long run over any decent system. You need to know when to make those calculated risks and when to avoid them. I am not very good at that but am improving. Just came across this scenario now and took a risk but got away with a 19 euro loss as I have never gone to the 4th step before and miscalculated my betsize.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: praline on Apr 03, 09:43 PM 2018
One little thing...
Don't write things like "it's a mind set" , "self-discipline" or other bullshit like "wait two loosing months and then bet your salary on red".
Mind set, patience and discipline is not bullshit.
It is a core necessity for success. Even if you possess a winning system you will still fail.
Your level of patience and discipline is correlated to the relative bet size compared to your net worth. If your bet size is too small, you naturally have inherited poor patience/discipline.
How you select your bet size depends on your confidence with the system you play. Here fear comes into play in a big way. If you lack confidence or your financial circumstances naturally put you on the back foot fear then plays a huge role.
As a result you select a bet size less then optimal to reduce the risk that trigger your fear - psychologically from this fear standpoint you feel comfortable at this selected risk level.
At the same time we have expectations of how much we wish to win - this is normally on the high end of the scale. When we play at a risk tolerable bet size lesser than the optimal we feel bored, listless where the work becomes meaningless even if we come out winning most of the time - our extrapolated perception will whisper repeatedly to us it takes a very long time to reach our goal.
Here, people blame that the lack of patience and discipline is the culprit for their failure.
Not entirely wrong.
However, FEAR that guides their choice from the start do play a much larger role in success or failure than many realise.
That's why we read this sayings -
"learn to lose"
"lose $100k to win"
"scared money never win"
"It's not about how smart or right you are, it's all about how much you win. -------- cht
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 04, 02:13 AM 2018
Hi viclimks,
As DR mentioned earlier Baccarat has less variance than roulette. What you are betting against when you play Baccarat is one random event, the shuffle of the cards before the shoe starts. From that point on your fate of catching or avoiding patterns is set. So if you are lucky enough to use your chosen system on a favorably shuffled shoe you can profit. The patterns cannot change during the game. It does not depend on the number of players playing(in blackjack) or the speed at which the croupier spins the wheel or which objects it hit during its spin. Roulette has to deal with all these random events each and every spin. And these events dictate the fate of your bet. So the variance of random is much greater in Roulette than Baccarat. Besides that the rules are more favorable. Standard Baccarat you do not lose your bet when there is a Tie (player and banker hands are the same) So if you cover the tie in a long progression you get you relatively large bet back plus you win 8:1 on the tie. You can't ask for anything safer than that proposition. If you do find a rare pattern to bet against like PBB PBB PBB PBB and bet for the last 4 hands in 1-1-2-4 or 1-2-4-8 and cover the Tie bet on hands 2 or 3 to step 4 then you have a high probability of profiting.
But it is still a risk and the higher your progression the higher the risk. Because of the low variance in Baccarat I am prepared to risk 140 euro with 600 euro bankroll. In Roulette I am not prepared to take this risk because with my bad luck I am risk ruin to make a few units profit. Its not worth it.
Having said that DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE win in the long run over any decent system. You need to know when to make those calculated risks and when to avoid them. I am not very good at that but am improving. Just came across this scenario now and took a risk but got away with a 19 euro loss as I have never gone to the 4th step before and miscalculated my betsize.
Cheers,
Ricky
👏👏👏👍👍👍
Why would betting against a pattern that has already hit be any more effective than betting randomly?
(link:://u.b5z.net/i/u/10205045/i/2016-04-Refl-Wheres-the-logic.jpg)
If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then where's the logic behind betting against a pattern???
Welcome back The General - long time no see! :)
Have you tried the PB then?
Nice to have you aboard this L-O-N-G thread.
A.
cht said:
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"It's not about how smart or right you are, it's all about how much you win.
Yes - that's the REALITY of it - and you made some valid points there.
Quote from: The General on Apr 04, 03:42 AM 2018
Why would betting against a pattern that has already hit be any more effective than betting randomly?
(link:://u.b5z.net/i/u/10205045/i/2016-04-Refl-Wheres-the-logic.jpg)
If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then where's the logic behind betting against a pattern???
Hi The General,
Well if you took time out to check you will see it all explained earlier on in the thread by no less than the originator of PB himself, by that I mean, member Sentinel3 aka JohnLegend...
It's interesting to mention some of your quotes from other topics of yours here:
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A unit can be any denomination. My point is, if a system/method can only muster a few units each day, then the system/method likely isn't working. A working method should yield far more.
1. When you have a working method/system, again, the more you play, the more you should win.
2. If your method/system works, then you should stop playing accountant. Stop thinking in terms of "one session" and consider all sessions within a month combined as one on going session. (Yes, you still need to keep records.) Your goal though is to play for as long as possible as long as the playing conditions are good. Focus on the game, not the accounting. A losing session is irrelevant. It's no different than a losing spin in the big picture.
3. HOWEVER.. If you're relying on variance to win, then you need to quickly realize that you're just gambling! You are relying on luck to win and you should quit whenever you can get ahead (Follow John Patrick's advice.)
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I'm sorry, but just a few units a day is nothing. If you have a decent winning method, then your goal should be hundred(s) of units, or even thousands per day. The more spins you play, the more you should win.
If your win goal is just a few units per day, then your method doesn't really work. (It's just randomness.)
Sorry, just the facts.
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Here's some advice that most people won't like, and it's not politically correct:
If you're going to try and beat roulette, don't try to win just a little. Shoot for the chandeliers. Learn how to really win and go for the throat! Think bigger.
If you have a winning method, then the more spins you play, the more you should win. If you're goal is to win just a few units a day, then the method being used is a waste of time.
I disagree with you when you state that a few units a day is NOTHING.
Some players operating the system in this thread are more than quite, quite happy and satisfied to use a PLAN and play SHORTER hit and run sessions of PB with lower stakes aiming to win exactly just a few units each day; slowly and gradually building up a profit balance just so they CAN indeed later on down the line play the suggested bigger bets that you are clearly in favour of.
It seems you have misunderstood or are unwilling to grasp the full rules, mechanics and suggestions that JL has given in relation to PB...
There's a right way and wrong way to play this strategy.
A.
Exactly Atlantis
Quote“If you have a winning method, then the more spins you play, the more you should win. If you're goal is to win just a few units a day, then the method being used is a waste of time.â€
We have to deal with him based on his opinion
You cannot speak for people like that
Some people use a large unit size and want to limit exposure to the house edge. It’s smart to aim for just a few units especially when it’s a good unit size
Waste of time? I don’t understand how an individual can decide what a waste of time for someone is when they are winning
Unfortunately he’s back and he’s bored. I’ll cause trouble until he’s removed again.
Quote from: praline on Apr 03, 09:39 PM 2018I will code it with rx to show you that it's a loosing system, method or strategy.
I've already coded the system - link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20064.0
But some people believe that because they've won with it, it must be a winning system. What they don't seem to realize is that any random selection will work just as well. They are in denial. ::)
I don’t think people are in denial
I think they are just going to keep using it while it’s making them money
If it’s making people money that’s all that matters regardless of what 1 million spins say
Also I don’t think you tested it right
But even if you did, people will continue to play while they make money with it that’s just how it goes.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 04, 06:34 AM 2018Also I don’t think you tested it right
Then please point out where you think it's wrong. It's a simple system really, and the simulation even skipped spins after a few wins to simulate playing in real casino conditions.
Yes people will continue to play it and if it wins they will believe that it's the bet selection which has merit, but it doesn't. You would get the same results betting randomly and you would save a lot of time. Try it. ;-).
Quote from: cht on Apr 04, 03:01 AM 2018Mind set, patience and discipline is not bullshit.
It is a core necessity for success. Even if you possess a winning system you will still fail.
Yes but patience and discipline are not a substitute for a bet selection with an edge. It seems to be your mantra but no amount of patience or discipline will turn a losing system into a winning one.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 04, 06:21 AM 2018
I've already coded the system - link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20064.0
But some people believe that because they've won with it, it must be a winning system. What they don't seem to realize is that any random selection will work just as well. They are in denial. ::)
Hi Coderjoe what exactly did you code?
My understanding is that the PATTERN BREAKER method comprises of the following:
1. A bet selection - Original rules defined on page 1. Since been refined over the years
2. A progression method - various options discussed and used by different contributors/members. I use for my simulation a 0-1-2 method covering the house edge the Zero Bet and betting FOR/AGAINST depending on outcome of the first spin.
3. A recovery method - some are using 1-2-4 for normal and then 2 sessions of 2-4-8 to recover half your loss. I am using 0-1-2 for normal and two sessions of 0-1.5-3 (slightly more as I cover the Zero bet but lets ignore for sake of discussion) to recover MOST of my loss
4. Have the discipline to limit your exposure to the risk of losing while meeting your PLANNED daily profit target by betting between 1-10 games and preferably spread over different wheels/casinos to limit your risk on one wheel's random spins.
5 Have the Patience and DISCIPLINE to play the same system for 11+ years with the same determination to succeed as the first day you played it.
6. Will not give up after 10 or 100 games because its not a get rich quick scheme or holy grail you were looking for
7. Discipline and patience to grind out a small but consistent profit that over time will equate to a LARGE profit. Measure success over 100 games not 1 or 2. Then put these consistent 100 game wins together and measure the success over thousands of games.
The above are a long list of attributes that make up the PATTERN BREAKER system. Which one did you program? I guess it was only the first one played continuously for 1 million spins and found it generated a negative bankroll because it was exposed to the game too long and came across many losing scenarios.
This method has been mentioned continuously on this forum to be a GRINDER that,played with the above points in mind, will reward the beholder. But expect to make zillions in one day at the casino and I'm afraid your in the wrong place to find your holy grail.
If a certain method works daily because of “only winning a few units†is fine in my book
Limiting exposure certainly helps especially when everything is tested over the long term
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 04, 06:56 AM 2018
Yes but patience and discipline are not a substitute for a bet selection with an edge. It seems to be your mantra but no amount of patience or discipline will turn a losing system into a winning one.
Hi Coder Joe,
I would not say its a losing system because even with my continuous play over 100 games in my bot I managed to grind out a small profit. However that last couple of games it has to go ran into some losing situation with a very minor loss overall (6 games to go). But at stages it was up considerably given I was only betting 4-6 euro base bets. But my aim was not to show I could make zillions playing this system continuously. I will share my results after I have analysed them carefully. But my conclusion is that the 100 game session I have had correlates well with what has been reported by others.
Now having said that I am also keeping stats on the PATTERN BREAKER Baccarat version described on this thread by Andre and in my opinion he has stumbled on what I can only call the 🛑HOLY GRAIL🛑. Over 100 game sets played with discipline and REAL PATIENCE (you have to have it to play 3 games in 5 hours)
this method has no equal in terms of win rate. currently I am 33W - 1L. Playing with 10-25 euro base bets that puts me 256 euro in profit
I will report results once 100 games is completed but this is going to take much longer because it is only played manually when I get the time. Someone please program a Baccarat BOT to play online. I will pay handsomely for it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Coderjoe, you can either test PB-Andre's method out on live Baccarat games waiting for the pattern we are looking for PBB PBB PB and start betting 1-1-2-4 (but also adjust to cover the Tie bet) betting PBPP to bet against the 4th repeat. Do the same for the BPP
OR
since you like coding and probably don't have the patience to sit at your computer for 24 hours straight to bet 10 or 15 times, you can code a baccarat card game and do a simulation where you shuffle 6 decks of cards before starting the session and then deal them one at a time to player/ banker hands. No RNG of each hand here. Simulate EXACTLY how the game is played live. Do this 1 million times and test this method. If you don't come out ahead I will be shocked.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 04, 06:56 AM 2018
Yes but patience and discipline are not a substitute for a bet selection with an edge. It seems to be your mantra but no amount of patience or discipline will turn a losing system into a winning one.
Not sure how you conclude that. :)
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 04, 07:28 AM 2018
Coderjoe, you can either test PB-Andre's method out on live Baccarat games waiting for the pattern we are looking for PBB PBB PB and start betting 1-1-2-4 (but also adjust to cover the Tie bet) betting PBPP to bet against the 4th repeat. Do the same for the BPP
OR
since you like coding and probably don't have the patience to sit at your computer for 24 hours straight to bet 10 or 15 times, you can code a baccarat card game and do a simulation where you shuffle 6 decks of cards before starting the session and then deal them one at a time to player/ banker hands. No RNG of each hand here. Simulate EXACTLY how the game is played live. Do this 1 million times and test this method. If you don't come out ahead I will be shocked.
Cheers,
Ricky
I'd like to know what the test result says - step 1/2/3/4/loss. :question:
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 04, 06:50 AM 2018You would get the same results betting randomly and you would save a lot of time. Try it. ;-).
Hi CoderJoe, I am going to agree with you on that point. I think if you had luck on your side you very well might get the same results betting randomly. But what you are doing is gambling. With gambling sometimes you will lose sometimes you will win. There is no discipline or patience involved. You will just continue gambling and testing your luck.
But will you have the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE to perform the same random selection day in day out no matter what success you have had? Will you just give up after the first couple of losses? Will you admit defeat that this random method you are using is proving not to be the holy grail you have been looking for?
Any method played with the other attributes in the long run is going to prove successful. You could use Dealer FOOTPRINT as a method and played sparingly over many years and decades and approaching the method with DISCIPLINE and the PATIENCE to find the BEST conditions where a dealer is showing a clear tendency to target a certain sector of the wheel. At the B&M casino the other day I came across this exact situation. In 2 spins a gambler made $1,800 playing $25 bets on the 5 or 6 numbers that clearly showed the dealer making a FOOTPRINT
But I guarantee that gambler probably recovered from steep losses playing all night. Luckily it was Easter and he casino closed before he could put on the next bet so he did get to keep those winning for another day.
But can you imagine if you did this day in day out for 11 years having a large enough bankroll to make 200-300 bets but just playing 2-10 games a visit to the casino how much you would make yearly? Do the sums, its a fortune. Why work when you can do this. The reason is you need the patience and discipline to find the right conditions to play your 3 games and go home.
JL and other have never said PATTERN BREAKER is the holy grail. But what they are saying is, played with the same discipline and in the right conditions, they can use this method to GRIND out their small but comfortable profit that over time will allow them to grow their betsize and profit. When it stops winning for them and they find a better method they will stop playing it. For me, I believe the PB on Baccarat is getting close to superceding Roulette as the better method. But some people are drawn to playing roulette and do not prefer Baccarat. I prefer playing the game with the best odds and that is playable. Unfortunately noone is offering Baccarat Extreme simulation and BOT software that I can use to program and play continuously online. Otherwise I would be a MILLIONAIRE.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: The General on Apr 04, 03:42 AM 2018Why would betting against a pattern that has already hit be any more effective than betting randomly?
[Sorry for the long post in advance. Getting board waiting for the next pattern to bet on]
Hi General,
I have been thinking of a good way of explaining why being selective in your betting beats randomly selecting a bet, say red or black, in the long run. Its been mentioned here about PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE and HIT & RUN. But what are we doing here to make it a better method than playing continuously a game of chance?
Well I think it all comes down to math. Pure and simple PROFIT. Someone once described this HIT & RUN method as being in a storm where there is lightning. You don't want to get hit or you'll die. But there is money to be made out there. You want to go out there, find the best method to get it and then get out of the storm to avoid getting hit by a bolt. You don't want to play every spin or all day.
So the moral of the story is the more money you accumulate without getting struck by a loss that can randomly popup at any time the more profitable your system is going to be.
Now the HOLY GRAIL of systems is one that allows you to stay out in the storm longer and avoid getting hit by lightning but still make money. PATTERN BREAKER is not that system. The owner readily admits this so is happy making his living playing disciplined allowing random to choose his bets. So if you are arguing this is a losing system because you cannot use it continuously without losing your bankroll then you are absolutely right. Show me a system that can do this and I will start using it. Actually, I think I have found this and am testing it continuously whenever I get the time.
But why do I think PATTERN BREAKER on Baccarat playing Andre's version is getting close to HOLY GRAIL territory.
[To be Continued in next post]
Hi Ricky,
Did you realise you used the word "patience" 7 times and the word "discipline" 9 times in your last 3 posts?
Here's the thing about computer simulations :
* Computer simulations never get impatient (they have endless PATIENCE).
* Computer simulations do exactly what they're told (they have perfect DISCIPLINE).
* They never get tired or make mistakes.
* They never need to go for a piss, or get distracted by the dealer's big tits.
I could go on...
My simulation played PB correctly to the letter, and even with plenty of PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE, it didn't get anything like the astounding results claimed by JL. Instead, the results were exactly as probability would predict, and which would be the same if you were just betting constantly on red.
I'm sorry, but those are the facts.
[Continued from last post]
Put simply, Both Andre and I are finding it hard to CONTINUOUSLY lose. Not one Baccarat shoe with a back to back losing streak. Whereas playing PB continuously for 3.5 days on Roulette using my bot, even with regular pauses to simulate Hit & Run, I actually came across 4 losses in a row with 1 win in between the two (LLWLL). This really hurt the bankroll but not before making enough profit to cover the loss.
So what makes a deck of cards less able to deliver the killer blow following a certain pattern than a spin of the wheel. Well Andre and I have provided our thoughts on that and I think it is right - LIMITED VARIANCE. Random does not have a chance to do its thing on a DYNAMIC basis in a deck of cards being delivered in set order after the initial shuffle. There are many successful Baccarat players out there and they all have their style and method to profit. The most profitable Baccarat systems out there are all about following Patterns or betting AGAINST patterns continuing. The reason these systems are successful is because the lack of VARIANCE in random. It is limited. So it is more "predictable".
After observing many hands of Baccarat we have identified a pattern that rarely forms 4 times. My opinion on why this is so is there is a limited number of combinations the cards can be shuffled in to generate that specific pattern without stumbling somewhere down the line.
So lets look at how many cards need to be placed in an exact order to get the pattern BPP BPP BPP BPP to be created and therefore beat us. There are up to 6 cards that are dealt per hand. So there is a maximum of 6x8=48 cards that need to be shuffled in a certain order to match the pattern of 2.75 repeats of the pattern PBB or BPP. To repeat 4 times requires a maximum of 6x12=72 cards.
If all cards dealt are naturals then only 4 cards are dealt per hand. This is best case scenario but will never happen. So minimum dealt cards are 4x8=32 cards for 2.75 repeats and 4x12=48 cards for 4 repeats.
So somewhere in between 48-72 cards have to be shuffled in a limited number of combinations to generate the 4 peat of PBB or BPP.
Now if you were a magician and your trick was to shuffle the cards 100 times and somewhere in each shuffled deck you were going to sort them in order to create a PBB PBB PBB PBB or BPP BPP BPP BPP the audience would think he was really talented or it was an excellent trick that no normal human could achieve. Well I think that is what we are challenging the casino to do in a hand shuffled deck of cards. We are challenging the dealer to deal us this pattern in 100 shoes. How many shoes do you think they will achieve this challenge. My guess is 1 in 100. They will come close many times as in the below as I was typing. Unfortunately for me it could not make the 7th hand let along the 8th hand of the pattern.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/04/04/temp_982127.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GKizp)
While I was typing this post, this got me thinking that there may be a correlation between the number of cards dealt to form the trigger and the loss we are experiencing. So we may be able to link the wins with the number of cards dealt as well as the number of cards left in the shoe. The less cards left the less combinations that can generate a player or banker win. Also the more cards dealt to form most of the pattern the more chance the next cards will fail to complete it. I think it may be worth noting down these facts when playing.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 04, 12:08 PM 2018
Hi Ricky,
Did you realise you used the word "patience" 7 times and the word "discipline" 9 times in your last 3 posts?
Here's the thing about computer simulations :
* Computer simulations never get impatient (they have endless PATIENCE).
* Computer simulations do exactly what they're told (they have perfect DISCIPLINE).
* They never get tired or make mistakes.
* They never need to go for a piss, or get distracted by the dealer's big tits.
I could go on...
My simulation played PB correctly to the letter, and even with plenty of PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE, it didn't get anything like the astounding results claimed by JL. Instead, the results were exactly as probability would predict, and which would be the same if you were just betting constantly on red.
I'm sorry, but those are the facts.
Hi Coderjoe,
and did I say you were wrong? Well let me rephrase that. You just answered your own question. You say your computer has all the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE in the world. How long did you run your simulation for?
If it was not 11 years continuously with the HIT & RUN mode to stay out of the storm as long as possible then you miss the mark. I am doing this for 4 straight days now and I think my casino is getting pissed off because I just got disconnected from my 3 sessions I have opened without betting every spin.
If you have the file with list of roulette spins from a real live casino that is taken for at least 1 month I could use it in RX to perform my own simulation of the PB system and see if I come up with the same answer as you.
In the mean time let me know if you can code the Baccarat version. I think that is your HOLY GRAIL you are looking for. Read my last posts for my reasoning. I challenge you to dispute it and tell me where the casino has the advantage playing Baccarat like this.
cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 04, 12:24 PM 2018How long did you run your simulation for?
If it was not 11 years continuously with the HIT & RUN mode to stay out of the storm as long as possible then you miss the mark.
I've already said about 5 times that I simulated "hit & run" by skipping spins every few wins. You guys are running out of excuses. ;-) Besides, hit & run doesn't work anyway. Why should it?
And I simulated 20,000 games, not millions. That's only 6000 more than JL has played.
I don’t think anyone is making excuses
People are legitimately winning with it and they will keep playing it until that changes
This bothers people, like you, for some reason
I’ll never understand it. It’s a roulette forum. If people are playing silly systems and winning, then be happy for them and leave them alone
People who typically don’t post or contribute anything on forums are very fast to attempt to discredit a strategy. Not only is it annoying it is counter productive.
Good job Ricky. Keep on truckin’
I promise you, no one cares about million spin tests.
simulations are a good way of seeing how things perform... but are the hit and run breaks different each time... exactly 4 hours break between betting will not bring a true hit and run test... they have to differ each time.
Also was you playing no more than 2 games per session. Also after a loss was you always playing the next game within the same session.
all these things matter.
what were your 100 game set results??
86--14
87--13
88--12
89--11
90--10
91--9
92--8
93--7
94--6
95--5
96--4
??
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 04, 12:44 PM 2018
I've already said about 5 times that I simulated "hit & run" by skipping spins every few wins. You guys are running out of excuses. ;-) Besides, hit & run doesn't work anyway. Why should it?
And I simulated 20,000 games, not millions. That's only 6000 more than JL has played.
And you have the spins so I can do independant tests rather than take your word for it?
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 04, 12:15 PM 2018
So what makes a deck of cards less able to deliver the killer blow following a certain pattern than a spin of the wheel. Well Andre and I have provided our thoughts on that and I think it is right - LIMITED VARIANCE. Random does not have a chance to do its thing on a DYNAMIC basis in a deck of cards being delivered in set order after the initial shuffle.
I posted on this forum earlier that roulette has longer persistent trends, baccarat trends are shorter mostly stay in whipsaw range.
Strange though, majority of baccarat players are trend players betting on repeats.
Quote from: Apolloo on Apr 04, 01:00 PM 2018exactly 4 hours break between betting will not bring a true hit and run test... they have to differ each time.
Also was you playing no more than 2 games per session. Also after a loss was you always playing the next game within the same session.
Hi Apoollo,
that's what my bot is doing with this 100 game run. Its playing 4 days straight and about 25 games a day. Almost finished but is ending with just under break even based on the bets I am placing. But I will do analysis in terms of units and recovery as I was not playing same units over that time.
So my next step will be to get your feedback on how I should run the next 100 games. I am hearing I should increase the unit size and play less often. So I will get forum members to look at the results and advise based on a 600 euro bankroll what my next test should be. Over time we will get an ideal mix of bet size and daily profit goal over 100 games to see if we can automate what a lot of you are painfully doing manually.
Cheers,
Ricky
Jus don’t let people distract
Whether I or anyone else agrees does not matter keep doing what you are doing
Some people only come out of thenwood works to prove a system fails. That’s what they do. Ignore it.
Quote from: cht on Apr 04, 01:17 PM 2018Strange though majority of baccarat players are trend players betting on repeats.
Exactly cht,
After coming across the revelation I find it hard to believe players are losing thousands if not millions making guesses at which way the next cards will fall. And all this bending of the cards that the Asians do just creates more mystic about a simple game of patterns. Play PB Andre version and we'll make the Casinos go broke
Unbelievable! Something very, very, very rare!!!
I was very confident and I ended up losing only $120 because I did not want to continue with the progression.
I need to be more cautious, otherwise I will lose all my self-confidenceand and my bankroll
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 04, 01:37 PM 2018
Unbelievable! Something very, very, very rare!!!
I was very confident and I ended up losing only $120 because I did not want to continue with the progression.
I need to be more cautious, otherwise I will lose all my self-confidenceand and my bankroll
Hey Andre,
the Casino got lucky. That the 1 in 1000 shoes. Keep it up. Between the two of us if we put our win rates together we can smash the all time record for Winning Streaks using PB
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 04, 01:21 PM 2018
Hi Apoollo,
that's what my bot is doing with this 100 game run. Its playing 4 days straight and about 25 games a day. Almost finished but is ending with just under break even based on the bets I am placing. But I will do analysis in terms of units and recovery as I was not playing same units over that time.
So my next step will be to get your feedback on how I should run the next 100 games. I am hearing I should increase the unit size and play less often. So I will get forum members to look at the results and advise based on a 600 euro bankroll what my next test should be. Over time we will get an ideal mix of bet size and daily profit goal over 100 games to see if we can automate what a lot of you are painfully doing manually.
Cheers,
Ricky
yeah i would suggest in doing what you said in playing higher units and alot less games than 25 a day espessially if at the same wheel.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 04, 01:56 PM 2018
Hey Andre,
the Casino got lucky. That the 1 in 1000 shoes. Keep it up. Between the two of us if we put our win rates together we can smash the all time record for Winning Streaks using PB
Cheers,
Ricky
You're right Ricky, my bankroll keeps growing every day.
But starting today I will change using the 1, 2, 2 progression.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 04, 06:21 AM 2018
I've already coded the system - link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20064.0
But some people believe that because they've won with it, it must be a winning system. What they don't seem to realize is that any random selection will work just as well. They are in denial. ::)
With all due respect. I must disagree with that thinking.
For EXAMPLE WHY NOT JUST. Speed things up Right. And instead of waiting
For 7 patterns out of 8 to form as the trigger. Or 3 of the same pattern.
We just bet against a 2 wide 4 deep matrix like.
HL
LH
HH
LL
Wait until three of those form and bet against the 4th one forming. Sure you could do that coderjoe. And then one day you lose 3 or 4 of those games IN A ROW.
Ive been there done that. PB as I play it..And I mean EXACTLY AS I PLAY IT CODERJOE. Will be winning when you me the owner of this forum are all long gone.
What there will NEVER be too many of. Is the RIGHT PEOPLE to play it EXACTLY LIKE I DO.
I will be a millionaire from PB by 2020. I will invite all Sceptics to las Vegas to watch me play for two weeks. All expenses paid. You can make of it what you want.
Played properly PB is an alltime winner. It will ALWAYS BE TWO STEPS FORWARD FOR EVERY STEP BACKWARDS. ALWAYS....
Quote from: cht on Apr 04, 01:17 PM 2018
I posted on this forum earlier that roulette has longer persistent trends, baccarat trends are shorter mostly stay in whipsaw range.
Strange though, majority of baccarat players are trend players betting on repeats.
I am not sure I can agree with you on that. In the US, baccarat is very popular with immigrants from East Asia and South-East Asia.
And many of them conspicuously play for the chops -- regardless of whether the results are showing a choppy shoe or a streaky shoe or an in-between type shoe.
Some of them believe in playing for the chops so strongly and consistently, they almost resemble "bots" -- albeit of the human variety.
To make matters worse, many of them do so with the usual negative progressions.
And, naturally, these players frequently pay a big price for playing that way (especially, when it is a streaky shoe).
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 04, 01:21 PM 2018
Hi Apoollo,
that's what my bot is doing with this 100 game run.
Its playing 4 days straight and about 25 games a day.
Almost finished but is ending with just under break even based on the bets I am placing.
But I will do analysis in terms of units and recovery as I was not playing same units over that time.
So my next step will be to get your feedback on how I should run the next 100 games. I am hearing I should increase the unit size and play less often. So I will get forum members to look at the results and advise based on a 600 euro bankroll what my next test should be. Over time we will get an ideal mix of bet size and daily profit goal over 100 games to see if we can automate what a lot of you are painfully doing manually.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
I am NOT surprised one bit by your results.
Forget bots -- if you play that many games (20-30) per day
MANUALLY, you will also struggle to break even.
In fact, you will probably end up in negative territory.
I am convinced that the principal reasons I am having a fair degree of success with PB and several other rare pattern-based games are because I play them on a hit-and-run basis --
and I play them sparingly.I know, theoretically, it should not lead to any advantage.
But, I have to go by my actual results -- and I have been in solidly positive territory since I started playing these rare pattern-based methods on a regular basis since the second half of 2015.
And, of course, I also don't use crazy negative progressions -- and that has also played a role in my getting those positive results on such a consistent basis so far. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I will make 100k profit by the end of the year and no one will say that I can't. It has already been proven that PB "Andre version" wins much more than it loses. I've been playing using this method for 3 months and I think it's the best strategy I've ever found.
Nothing more to say...
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 04, 03:06 PM 2018
I am not sure I can agree with you on that. In the US, baccarat is very popular with immigrants from East Asia and South-East Asia.
And many of them conspicuously play for the chops -- regardless of whether the results are showing a choppy shoe or a streaky shoe or an in-between type shoe.
Some of them believe in playing for the chops so strongly and consistently, they almost resemble "bots" -- albeit of the human variety.
To make matters worse, many of them do so with the usual negative progressions.
And, naturally, these players frequently pay a big price for playing that way (especially, when it is a streaky shoe).
In Macau & Singapore, players there are trend fanatics. If you play chops against the crowd they frown at you. If you lose that hand you will be laughed off as stupid.
If the crowd lose you will receive their curse.
Off topic - Citeh and Pep is a media fake hype that sells papers to the gullible.
CL favourites remain -
1. Real Madrid
2. Bayern Munich
3. Barcelona
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 04, 01:12 PM 2018
And you have the spins so I can do independant tests rather than take your word for it?
Coderjoe,
I am still waiting for the 20,000 spins you used so I can perform my own independent tests on the way I play PB using a programmed method. As per any program, the only way to improve it or confirm a result is to test it properly.
By you coming on this forum making unsubstantiated claims you only discredit yourself. I am at least sharing my results as I see them for the benefit of members to make their own informed decisions.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Apr 04, 09:07 PM 2018
In Macau & Singapore, players there are trend fanatics. If you play chops against the crowd they frown at you. If you lose that hand you will be laughed off as stupid.
If the crowd lose you will receive their curse.
Off topic - Citeh and Pep is a media fake hype that sells papers to the gullible.
CL favourites remain -
1. Real Madrid
2. Bayern Munich
3. Barcelona
Yeah, yeah, we will see how City and Pep are fake hypes promoted by the media come this weekend.
Get ready to see your gang get effortlessly and mercilessly bitch-slapped by them -- and then to add insult to injury, your gang will then have to bow down to the NEWEST CHAMPIONS of the land.
:twisted: :twisted:
Here is an interesting scenario. It meets the criteria of a back to back WIN assuming you had the courage to go to the 4th STEP
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 04, 09:49 PM 2018Coderjoe,
I am still waiting for the 20,000 spins you used so I can perform my own independent tests on the way I play PB using a programmed method. As per any program, the only way to improve it or confirm a result is to test it properly.
By you coming on this forum making unsubstantiated claims you only discredit yourself. I am at least sharing my results as I see them for the benefit of members to make their own informed decisions.
Ricky, I'm not the one making unsubstantiated claims, you are (and everyone else who claims they're winning with PB).
Anyone can come on a gambling forum and claim anything they like, but at least I've backed up my claim with a file showing the results of every single one of 20,000 games. How many others do that? Which has more credibility to you, someone who just makes claims without showing detailed data or someone who makes claims and does provide it?
To object to this, as rouletteghost does by saying that "nobody plays 20,000 games" is laughable. And he accuses me of just coming on this forum to try to prove that the system doesn't work. In fact I wrote the simulation because there was, and still is a lot of hype about the system, so I thought "well maybe there is something to it", even though I was sceptical. So I wrote the simulation but apparently the results mean nothing to some people, who not only ignored them but attacked me. I don't want the system to be a loser, but to ignore the results is just burying your head in the sand. Some people want systems to win so much that they ignore reality. Claims of winning are believed (because people want to believe them) and claims of losing are ignored (because people don't want to believe them), and those who make negative claims are attacked as naysayers.
For your information, I play roulette regularly and am pretty successful, but experience has taught me that you can't win consistently by exclusively using a simple minded system like PB (or in fact, ANY system exclusively). But I am certainly not a "naysayer" who makes blanket statements like "no system can win".
You can download the test results from this thread : link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20064.0
Or feel free to provide your own spins or baccarat hands and I'll run the simulation again.
Tell us then your system? :question:
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 05, 04:02 AM 2018Claims of winning are believed (because people want to believe them) and claims of losing are ignored (because people don't want to believe them), and those who make negative claims are attacked as naysayers.
For your information, I play roulette regularly and am pretty successful, but experience has taught me that you can't win consistently by exclusively using a simple minded system like PB (or in fact, ANY system exclusively). But I am certainly not a "naysayer" who makes blanket statements like "no system can win".
You can download the test results from this thread : link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20064.0
Or feel free to provide your own spins or baccarat hands and I'll run the simulation again.
Hi Coderjoe,
I respect that you have done some research into this PB method with your own testing but on reviewing the results you have provided I am not sure what you are trying to test. You seem to have generated randomely some generic spins calling them 1s and 0s to be generic. But this whole approach seems to miss the mark on testing a live situations. I am currently doing this so by the end of my testing of 100 games played I will have actual spins recorded in my RX software which I will share in a file for others to scrutinize. I will also share my results of my BOT in making betting decisions based on the PB rules. I grant you I am not getting results that show the system makes you a multimillionaire within a month of playing it. But that was never the claim. It is the claim that used sparingly in a hit & run mode maybe even using different online casinos to distribute the risk would enable you to GRIND a small profit that over time played with DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE will reward the beholder over a LONG period of time. It was also mentioned that this system is NOT suitable for everyone. You may not like these non system related requirements because you cannot program it in a simulation or because you don't see it as relevent but these things are important. A SMART gambler will above all things protect his bankroll from ruin. He will incorporate stop losses and limits on how much he will risk in any particular session. He will treat his gambling like a BUSINESS. As in any business, some days you will make money, other days there will be unexpected expenses or losses. But a smart businessman will manage these situations and adjust his approach based on the conditions.
These ideas probably don't mean anything to you in terms of whether PB is any better than randomly picking red or black but in my opinion treating any gambling venture like a business is the key to success of any method deployed. If you do not approach any system with discipline and patience you cannot expect to profit from it.
Having said the above, I am going to agree with you that PB DOES lose but from my experience, taking all other aspects into account, it WINS more than it loses. And taking this knowledge into account you can organize your progression strategies and recovery strategies to turn a LOSING situation into a WINNING situation. As Sentinel(JL) recently mentioned, if you use the right recovery session you can recover from a losing game in the next two games and over a 100 game set you can generate a profit where normally you would have shown a loss.
So your simulations need to more reflect these components of the system and not just focus on whether overall you see a negative outcome in terms of units won vs lost.
Having said that, I came to this forum with an open mind and believe there is merit in PB and should be explored to ensure the method is used as it was intended and not just blindly followed without taking into consideration that sometimes it will win and other times you will have many losses. I have experienced this myself in my 100 game test. You will see when I share my results there were two or three times when playing too often I came across 4 losses in a row which had a detrimental impact on the profit made. But there were times when I had long winning streaks. So the key now is to use this information to see how this situation can be improved for the next 100 game test I will be doing. I will not blindly say because it did not show a huge profit it is no good. I will find the reasons and try to avoid these in the future.
Coderjoe, this is the sort of testing you need to do. If you do not have the time to do this level of testing then that's fine and noone is forcing you to do it. But to do some limited testing and then claim to others that it does not work because you tested it in the simulation you have shared is not a convincing argument against using PB.
I do not have my head in the sand and blindly believe what others are saying. As you can see from my posts I take my testing seriously and respect the contributions and experiences that others have brought to the forum. At the end of the day everyone has to make up there own mind whether PB is the method to use for them. Some have done well over it. Other have found that when they used it they came across losing situations so moved on. Not everyone has the time to stick to a system that maybe has not been profitable to them at the start. I have been there myself. My previous method I thought was the one (called permutations which is similar to PB) I won a heap of money in the first few weeks until I encountered a big loss. I did not have the patience to stick to it and the discipline to ensure any one loss did not ruin my bankroll so I immediately abandoned it.
In my opinion, and you may agree, you should not constantly use the same system to profit from the game of roulette. Roulette has the habit of killing any system played too often. Some people have resigned to use the one system for their own reasons. That's fine for them. But I believe you should spread your risk over multiple systems and play each system sparingly. Once you make a certain profit with PB you could switch to say the "footprint" method which follows dealer "footprints" of number repeats or neighbours.
Now to a potential HOLY GRAIL. I encourage you to do some testing on playing baccarat using the PB Andre version because I am yet to have a substantial loss that has wiped out my bankroll. Currently 35-1 over 29 days. Winning streaks are 22 and 13 with one loss in between. Using 10-20 euro base bets I am in profit to the tune of 296 euro (without the loss it would have been 436 euro.
If you have the capability to code a similar simulation playing baccarat I think it will be really helpful to test that our experience is correlated in a 20,000 hand simulation. For this excercise I think you can use RNG to shuffle 6 decks of 52 cards before dealing them in the order in which they were shuffled. But you need to code in the Baccarat rules of dealing player hand and banker hand. You can get this online. If you need more information on the PB method we use we can share but there are many pages in recent posts describing the method. We would like to know what the optimal progression is for this method. How many wins come in 1st, 2nd and 3rd step etc
Again Coderjoe, I'm not here it call you a naysayer but see everyone's contribution as valuable including yours. I look forward to your further testing if you so choose but as mentioned we need to keep an open mind and test in real conditions or, if simulating , try to reproduce real conditions as close as possible including using real spins not rng generatede. I know you have attempted this with the hit and run simulation. But in my view that type of testing does not come to good conclusions.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky wrote:
Quote
Now to a potential HOLY GRAIL. I encourage you to do some testing on playing baccarat using the PB Andre version because I am yet to have a substantial loss that has wiped out my bankroll. Currently 35-1 over 29 days. Winning streaks are 22 and 13 with one loss in between. Using 10-20 euro base bets I am in profit to the tune of 296 euro (without the loss it would have been 436 euro.
Just wondered what the breakdown on the strikerate on each bet - 1st, 2nd or 3rd - that resulted in those impressive 35/1 stats, Ricky?
The reason I'm interested is because It could be that the 3-step cycle progression I posted before might be all that was required or necessary (less riskier progression) but would still deliver the goods with an acceptable profit level; if these sorts of patterns of results are occurring in a regular fashion, that is. :)
A.
Guys,
I get it. You like the pattern breaker. Perhaps it's fun. But try and formulate a physical reason as to why it should work.
What do you believe is the reason that it should work?
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 05, 04:02 AM 2018
Or feel free to provide your own spins or baccarat hands and I'll run the simulation again
I will provide the real life casino spins generated over the last 4 days with my results. Feel free to take these and run them through your simulation. We can then compare results.
Stay tuned
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: The General on Apr 05, 06:01 AM 2018
Guys,
I get it. You like the pattern breaker. Perhaps it's fun. But try and formulate a physical reason as to why it should work.
What do you believe is the reason that it should work?
Quote from: Ricky on Mar 12, 10:37 AM 2018
Hi General, is that physical enough? When I get to my first $1,000 in a few weeks I'll post another. When i get to $100K I'll probably have to show you a few suitcases. Believe it or not but this was generated from playing PB on Roulette, Baccarat and SicBo
As mentioned by others it works because it is played sparingly. Any system played sparingly and limiting exposure is going to end up winning more than it loses. If you think you have to play more to make more then you also know that you risk more
Simple math 1,000,000 - 0 = 1 MILLION PROFIT
1,000,000 - 2,000,000 - 1 MILLION LOSS
The trick is finding a way to make 1 MILLION win by avoiding the 2 MILLION loss
By exposing yourself too much to the risk of losing impacts the other times you won.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 04, 03:20 PM 2018I am convinced that the principal reasons I am having a fair degree of success with PB and several other rare pattern-based games are because I play them on a hit-and-run basis -- and I play them sparingly.
Hi DR,
when you are playing this game manually your assumptions about why you are winning are valid, but just as automation has improved industrial society, I believe I can take a good Idea that you have playing manually and I can automate it to show it can work playing in a bot. Even if that bot has to sit there doing nothing for 21 hours only tracking for the right conditions I think it can be done. And the ultimate scenario is to identify that perfect moment and place those 3 big bets per day and avoid all the losing ones. This will be my next 100 game test. But it will probably be played over a 7 day period switching the bot on daily until it has made its profit.
The beauty is you can go off and do your shopping while its working for you. I have to admit it did feel good knowing I was running a gambling system while I was off hiking the other day. And to come home to find out it didn't go bust was even better.
Cheers
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 06:19 AM 2018
Hi General, is that physical enough? When I get to my first $1,000 in a few weeks I'll post another. When i get to $100K I'll probably have to show you a few suitcases. Believe it or not but this was generated from playing PB on Roulette, Baccarat and SicBo
As mentioned by others it works because it is played sparingly. Any system played sparingly and limiting exposure is going to end up winning more than it loses. If you think you have to play more to make more then you also know that you risk more
Simple math 1,000,000 - 0 = 1 MILLION PROFIT
1,000,000 - 2,000,000 - 1 MILLION LOSS
The trick is finding a way to make 1 MILLION win by avoiding the 2 MILLION loss
By exposing yourself too much to the risk of losing impacts the other times you won.
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi ricky,
I don't like to make claims on forum since I can't prove it. I make exception this time.
I have played regularly(4-5days a week) my PBmod variant for baccarat I posted on this thread earlier for more than 3months now. I have grown to current bet size $300/$300. Physically demanding with hard work scanning the casino floor. Just sharing to encourage you guys.
As for The general, real, dsaa, snowman, he lives on forums to recruit members. Not worth your time.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 06:19 AM 2018As mentioned by others it works because it is played sparingly. Any system played sparingly and limiting exposure is going to end up winning more than it loses.
Ricky, think about what you're saying here. If this was true, then you could save a lot of time and boredom by just betting on red and not waiting for the 7 patterns to show. If played "sparingly" you would win more than you lose according to your logic. JL has said he's played 14,000 games; is that playing "sparingly"? And if you create a bot to play PB, is that playing "sparingly" if you have it running 24/7?
Quote from: blueman on Apr 05, 04:49 AM 2018Tell us then your system? :question:
I don't want to hijack the thread but like I said, I don't play one system exclusively. And I never bet the outside, only between 4 and 7 numbers. I don't mind sharing but this isn't the thread for it.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 05, 05:55 AM 2018For your information, I play roulette regularly and am pretty successful, but experience has taught me that you can't win consistently by exclusively using a simple minded system like PB (or in fact, ANY system exclusively). But I am certainly not a "naysayer" who makes blanket statements like "no system can win".
Hi Atlantis,
attached is the results so far. Damn impressive.
STEP 1 23 WINS
STEP 2 5 WINS
STEP 3 7 WINS 1 LOSS
STEP 4 1 WIN
SO
IF YOU FLAT BET with 1 STEP you will get 23 WINS 13 LOSSES of 1 UNIT, SO +10 UNITS
IF YOU USE 1-2 BET with 2 STEPS you will get 28 WINS 9 LOSSES of 27 UNITS, SO +1 UNITS
IF YOU USE 1-2-4 BET with 3 STEPS you will get 34 WIN 2 LOSSES of 14 UNITS, SO +20 UNITS
IF YOU USE 1-2-4-8 with 4 STEPS you will get 36 WINS 0 LOSSES, SO +36 UNITS
As it shows in the short term the system is so good you could deploy a 4 STEP progression and risk big money to make phenominal profit. But in the long term I am sure you will encounter many losses. But not too many.
SO amazingly enough in this small sample we have found a RARE FLAT Betting system that will generate a profit. But I think more extensive sampling is required to come to these sorts of clonclusions. But as a FLAT BETTING system I would be prepared to make $1,000 bets with the poterntial to make $10,000 every 36 games played. I would also probably extend the trigger to 3 full repeats and possibly even 3 1/3 repeats.
Please someone write a BOT for Baccarat. I will pay handsomely :xd:
Cheers,
Hi Ricky,
Erm.. actually that quote you attributed to me in the last post is not MINE. I never said that!?
Anyhow from what you wrote - if playing only a 3 step cyclic (starting with 1-1-2) according to your results it seems you get:
34 games without loss. (meaning a profit of +1... OR +0;level; for each one of those games)
and 2 losses of either -4 or -5 = -8 or -9 depending if in cycle 1 (1-1-2) or cycle 2 (1-2-2) at the time...
So it depends WHEN the 3-step bets lost and how long it took to recover to be level in the next cycle to able able to work it out to the exact profit unit total. I imagine it WILL be in profit. To see how much I need to see the exact win/loss registry for the full 36 games played eg:
WWWLWWW.....etc......
Are you able to supply that info so I can deduce an accurate result?
Cheers,
A.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 05, 06:42 AM 2018
Ricky, think about what you're saying here. If this was true, then you could save a lot of time and boredom by just betting on red and not waiting for the 7 patterns to show. If played "sparingly" you would win more than you lose according to your logic. JL has said he's played 14,000 games; is that playing "sparingly"? And if you create a bot to play PB, is that playing "sparingly" if you have it running 24/7?
Hi Coderjoe, I respect your feedback. I'll address each point you make
QuoteIf this was true, then you could save a lot of time and boredom by just betting on red and not waiting for the 7 patterns to show.
You could do that but then you are gambling that the side you chose was lucky for that exact spin you chose to bet. What if you saw a streak of 15 blacks when you were about to make that bet on red. Would you still do it? The casino wants you to play this way because they know in the long run your gambling habits will create an undisciplined play and you will run into long losing streaks even playing sparingly with no STRATEGY.
All PB is is a strategy that challenges the Casino to deliver something consistently over 100 game sets - spin the 8th pattern immediately after the completion of the 7th pattern. You don't have to believe Sentinel/JL but he has observed over 11 years of playing PB that the random wheel has difficulty CONSISTENTLY delivering this. So he is exploiting this finding by formulating other DISCIPLINED rules around this method.
QuoteIf played "sparingly" you would win more than you lose according to your logic
My understanding is that by doing this the player minimises being struck with a series of losses that may come up at anytime. I described earlier that you can use the analogy of being in a storm and there is lightning. Stay out too long and you increase your chance of being hit. I believe that concept to a degree but that is because you have admitted that the method you have adopted is NOT the HOLY GRAIL that everyone so eagerly seeks. So you take precautions. HIT and RUN is one such precaution.
Quote JL has said he's played 14,000 games; is that playing "sparingly"?.
Over 11 years that very sparingly. When you do this for a living and rely on it for your bread and butter you will play that many games in a lifetime. 10x7= 70 games a day or 3640 games per year. So now he says he plays less that 10, sometimes only 1 game. So on average 14K games is 3.4 games per day.
QuoteAnd if you create a bot to play PB, is that playing "sparingly" if you have it running 24/7?
I am here to determine what constitutes HIT and RUN as I do not believe if you can automate a system that people play manually that you have to play as rarely as you do when done manually for the very reasons you yourself mention, a BOT does not sleep, have toilet breaks, bets bored, tired, makes mistakes, plays undisciplined.
All these factors play against a player playing continuously. We all get tired, get distracted by the attractive dealers, make mistakes. Thats what causes us to lose. I personally start getting emotionally impacted by playing continuously. I start chasing losses and get myself into a hole very quickly. I have to admit while testing PB for 3 straight days playing manually, I started straying away from the system and exploring my own ideas. 10 minutes later I lost 300 euro. I am still recovering 2 months later. Had to put more funds in to continue testing. This is why you play sparingly to avoid those brain fades. But with a BOT I do not believe you need to play sparingly. I believe you need to play SMART. And that's what I am working out what is the SMARTEST way to play using a BOT.
I hope these responses to your questions make sense and in no way disrespect your arguments that you believe what we are doing here is all bolony and a waste of time
PS 2 games to go in the BOT and now close to break even (-3 euro) after 4 straight days playing 100 games. I think we can work on this result and improve on it over time.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote
To see how much I need to see the exact win/loss registry for the full 36 games played eg:
WWWLWWW.....etc......
Actually, that's not quite right, Ricky I need to see it in the following format (3 bets):
W1st-W2nd-W1st-L-W1st-W1st-W3rd-W2nd-W1st-L-W1st .....etc......
Regards,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 05, 08:07 AM 2018
Actually, that's not quite right, Ricky I need to see it in the following format (3 bets):
W1st-W2nd-W1st-L-W1st-W1st-W3rd-W2nd-W1st-L-W1st .....etc......
Regards,
A.
Hi Atlantis did you check the attachment. It shows the Step I won the bets I made on each step and the total profit for each game and total games. This is the wins and losses I had in order. Its quite easy really WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 07:59 AM 2018I am here to determine what constitutes HIT and RUN as I do not believe if you can automate a system that people play manually that you have to play as rarely as you do when done manually for the very reasons you yourself mention, a BOT does not sleep, have toilet breaks, bets bored, tired, makes mistakes, plays undisciplined.
Well I'm glad you agree with me that simulations (or bots, which are the same thing) are superior to manual play in this respect. I thought you were saying that there is some statistical reason for hit & run being a better way to play, which would be true only if you knew in advance when would be a good time to "hit" and a good time to "run", which of course you don't ;-).
It seems that JL doesn't agree with you though. He can't explain the very large discrepancy between the results of my simulation and his results, even though the simulation followed the rules of the system to the letter. He just says hit & run can't be simulated. Maybe he just doesn't understand how programming works, but any decisions you make at the table can be simulated as long as you have all the rules and specify actions to take following all eventualities. There are other programmers here and they will agree with me.
I'm not here to try to convince anyone not to play PB or any other system, but what I object to is people dismissing computer simulations as being somehow irrelevant, or saying that they are worthless because nobody plays a million spins. That is missing the point entirely. And besides, a million spins played by one person is no different than 1000 spins played by 1000 people, or 100 spins played by 10,000 people. In either case if you pool the results together you end up with a million spins.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 05, 07:33 AM 2018Erm.. actually that quote you attributed to me in the last post is not MINE. I never said that!?
Hi Atlantas, apologies I have no idea how that happened. Some problem with the forum. I meant to respond to your post which seems to have linked correctly except for the quote
Thanks Ricky - Didn't spot that :)
So it's like this then using the 3 step cyclic prog...
Cycle 1-1-2
========== +0
+1
+0
+1
+1
+1
+1
+0
+1
+1
+1
+0
+1
+1
+1
+0
+0
+1
+1
+1
+1
+0
+1
+0
+1
+0
+1
+0
+1
+0
+0
+1
+1 +21
-4 +17 up to cycle 1-2-2
+1
+1
+1 +20 still in cycle 1-2-2
= +20u profit
===========
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= +20u profit
Well - less %commission on some of those! ;)
A.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 05, 08:41 AM 2018
Well I'm glad you agree with me that simulations (or bots, which are the same thing) are superior to manual play in this respect. I thought you were saying that there is some statistical reason for hit & run being a better way to play, which would be true only if you knew in advance when would be a good time to "hit" and a good time to "run", which of course you don't ;-).
It seems that JL doesn't agree with you though. He can't explain the very large discrepancy between the results of my simulation and his results, even though the simulation followed the rules of the system to the letter. He just says hit & run can't be simulated. Maybe he just doesn't understand how programming works, but any decisions you make at the table can be simulated as long as you have all the rules and specify actions to take following all eventualities. There are other programmers here and they will agree with me.
I'm not here to try to convince anyone not to play PB or any other system, but what I object to is people dismissing computer simulations as being somehow irrelevant, or saying that they are worthless because nobody plays a million spins. That is missing the point entirely. And besides, a million spins played by one person is no different than 1000 spins played by 1000 people, or 100 spins played by 10,000 people. In either case if you pool the results together you end up with a million spins.
Hi Coderjoe I was trying to pick out some of your quotes but the whole post seems to make the same point I want to address.
Let me make it quite clear. I am not SIMULATING using my bot. I am playing real $$$$$$$. My own money. I have spent over 1 year testing my system with fake money to test its robustness. I am past that. I am now using it to make me money. At the same time I am testing PB.
My BOT is not running simulations. I have done the simulations and if you look at my very first posts I shared the results using my understanding of PB. For me the 5000 spin simulation using RNG showed a profit. But what does that prove? nothing in the real world. But it did give me enough confidence to explore this method more.
Once I complete my testing I suspect I will also see a big discrepancy with your results because I think you are not taking the "state" of play of the wheel into account in your simulations. I am not sure if you have coded stop losses or recovery sessions. I have done all these things. Also what I am doing to simulate Hit and Run and not staying in the game betting continuously is to create some rules where I will go into track only mode if I get x wins in a row. eg if we know we will get about 5-8 wins before we encounter a loss playing continuously then my bot will stop betting after getting 5 wins. It will then wait for that loss to occur and then resume betting immediately after to hopefully not see 2 losses in a row. Adding this logic has improved my performance compared to when I was running non stop. But it still can be improved.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 09:03 AM 2018And besides, a million spins played by one person is no different than 1000 spins played by 1000 people, or 100 spins played by 10,000 people. In either case if you pool the results together you end up with a million spins.
Coderjoe, the big important difference between 1 million spins played in one simulation and 1000 spins played by 1000 people etc is that these are spins from different events on different wheels where there is different random events. You may say that one random event is the same as another played at a different wheel but how can this be so? It all comes to spreading the risk among all those wheels at all those different times. I can't quantify the difference but it is not the same as playing the system sequentially on those 1 million spins and expect to get the same result as the many people playing 1000 spins. Each has their own bankroll, bet size, stop loss. So there really is no comparison.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 05, 08:53 AM 2018
Well - less %commission on some of those! ;)
A.
Picky ;D
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 09:03 AM 2018Let me make it quite clear. I am not SIMULATING using my bot. I am playing real $$$$$$$.
Ricky, the point is that a bot doesn't rely on human input or decisions and neither does a simulation, so in that respect they are the same. Some people think that bots or simulations don't work because they can't make "human" decisions, but they're wrong.
I'm happy to incorporate any changes or suggestions into the simulation which you think may improve the win rate. When I wrote the simulation I followed JL's rules; he didn't say anything about taking the state of play into account like you are. Obviously I can only simulate the rules which are given so it's hardly fair to complain that the simulation gave negative results because it didn't take into account certain rules which I didn't know about! ;D
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 09:14 AM 2018I can't quantify the difference but it is not the same as playing the system sequentially on those 1 million spins and expect to get the same result as the many people playing 1000 spins. Each has their own bankroll, bet size, stop loss. So there really is no comparison.
I'm assuming that each of these players are playing the same system and following the same rules. If you can't quantify the difference then for all intents and purposes there is no difference. The system is simple, when 7 patterns have come you bet on the 8th. Where is the data which says that there is a better/worse time to start tracking the patterns? JL doesn't mention this at all, he just says that he quits after a few games and starts another game "later", whenever that may be.
It sound like you're trying to object to the validity of simulations again. ;-)
A session this morning.
PB did fine take a look.
Stuart
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 05, 09:15 AM 2018
Ricky, the point is that a bot doesn't rely on human input or decisions and neither does a simulation, so in that respect they are the same. Some people think that bots or simulations don't work because they can't make "human" decisions, but they're wrong.
I'm happy to incorporate any changes or suggestions into the simulation which you think may improve the win rate. When I wrote the simulation I followed JL's rules; he didn't say anything about taking the state of play into account like you are. Obviously I can only simulate the rules which are given so it's hardly fair to complain that the simulation gave negative results because it didn't take into account certain rules which I didn't know about! ;D
Hi Coderjoe,
I don't think "complaining" is what we are doing. We are just pointing out a few facts that refute your claims.
But having said that I had a close look at your results and I think you have misinterpretted your own results. Your results show the following:
Quote
------ SUMMARY ------
Final Balance : 104 units
Gain from Wins = 17513
No. Busts = 2487
Check : 17513 - 2487 x 7 = 104
Ratio of wins:busts : 7.04 to 1
Are you saying your results showed you won 17K times and lost 2.5K times.
How is this a losing system. It performed exactly as JL says it performed. Maybe I am missing something. But if I am not mistaken, you have taken these figures and just calculated a flat 7 unit loss for every bust. You have not taken into consideration the recovery round for example where you bet 2-4-8 for 2 games immediately after a loss.
Also, how many back to back losses were recorded in your simulation ie WWWWLLWWWWLLL
You see what JL does is when he gets WWWWW
LWW those last two wins are played at 2-4-8 progression so he has recovered half his loss. But if he were to get WWWW
LLWWW the second loss would put him in a deeper loss due to the increased bet but he still can get out of it assuming he does not have too many losses while in recovery mode.
So just by adding the above logic you may find that your simulation was a success after all and we would not be having this debate over the merits of PB
Let me know if I am missing something in interpreting your results.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 05, 09:24 AM 2018
I'm assuming that each of these players are playing the same system and following the same rules. If you can't quantify the difference then for all intents and purposes there is no difference. The system is simple, when 7 patterns have come you bet on the 8th. Where is the data which says that there is a better/worse time to start tracking the patterns? JL doesn't mention this at all, he just says that he quits after a few games and starts another game "later", whenever that may be.
It sound like you're trying to object to the validity of simulations again. ;-)
Hi Coderjoe,
I think you missed my point. The point is you were trying to say that 1000 people playing 1000 games is going to give you the same results as 1 person playing 1 million games but I pointed out the differences relating to the other factors involved rather than the method. A person will stop playing when they meet their profit target and/or stop loss. Each person has their own bankroll.
Besides read my latest post where I need some clarification on how you interptreted your results
cheers,
Ricky
Ok,
PB Andre version needs some serious discussion to turn it into the HOLY GRAIL system that we have been looking for. I just came across a 4-peat but thankfully missed placing a bet (thanks coderjoe, you saved me from another 140 euro loss by addressing your posts)
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/04/05/temp_595534.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/s5vqK)
Now this pattern formed 4 repeat but failed on the 5th attempt. So we need to formulate a plan to avoid getting stung by a marty progression on the 4th pattern.
Now I am thinking along the lines of FLAT BETTING for 1 step AFTER the 3rd pattern is formed. ie the 9th hand of the pattern BPP BPP BPP start betting P. If we lose then decide do I call it a loss and wait for the next trigger or do I continue the progression?
My recent analysis shows in the context of 100 games we will come out ahead stopping here and taking the small loss requiring just one game to recover.
Now what we can do is WAIT for the result of the next hands to see if the 4th repeat does form. As in the above, if it does, I would make my 2nd bet against it forming a 5th time. With this example we would have won. So the progression would be 1-2 but only bet on hand 1 of the 4th repeat and hand 1 of the 5th repeat if the 4th completed.
Let me know your thoughts on the merits of this approach.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 09:52 AM 2018How is this a losing system. It performed exactly as JL says it performed. Maybe I am missing something. But if I am not mistaken, you have taken these figures and just calculated a flat 7 unit loss for every bust. You have not taken into consideration the recovery round for example where you bet 2-4-8 for 2 games immediately after a loss.
That's correct Ricky, I didn't do any recovery because JL didn't specify any in the rules. By the way, he posted those particular rules in another forum, not here. Also don't forget in this simulation I didn't take into account the house edge, so the results are more favourable than they "should" be.
You can say that I should have incorporated this or that tweak, but I was going strictly by JL's rules, and the important stat was the win rate of 7 : 1 which is right on what it should be according to probability. But JL says that he's been getting 10 : 1 or better. Is this anywhere near what you've been getting?
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 10:11 AM 2018A person will stop playing when they meet their profit target and/or stop loss. Each person has their own bankroll.
This isn't really relevant to the most important stat which is the win rate. Whether people stop at different times or use different progressions, win goals etc won't change the win rate which is what denotes the edge and what JL has consistently claimed is way above 7:1 (the probability expectation).
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 05, 10:49 AM 20187 : 1 which is right
Hi Coderjoe,
thanks for clarifying. So my interpretation was correct. I won't dispute the win rate because this is going to be different for everyone depending on their method they use and the actual spins experienced. We are not disputing that LUCK has something to play in obtaining a win rate of 7 or 10 or 33. This is gambling after all.
What we are trying to do is find the method of play that is going to maximize the rate of return. So this is where progression comes into it. Everyone has a different tolerance to risk and therefore use different progressions. Some use a 3 step, others limit it to 2 steps where the third step is not worth the risk. I do a 0-1-2 step in my BOT betting FOR/AGAINST depending on the result of the first spin. The basic rule is
DON'T bet the 1st spin
IF 1st spin would have WON betting AGAINST then continue betting AGAINST in next 2 spins.
IF 1st spin would have LOST betting AGAINST then switch to betting FOR the pattern in next 2 spins
The idea here is I am seeing all 3 spins and not stopping after the 2nd spin. I get to see if the 8th pattern did result immediately AFTER the 7th pattern but I am limiting myself to a 1-2 progression.
So my breAK EVEN is much more than 7:1 its more like 25:1 because I am only risking 3 units not 7 units.
With 1 game to go I am currently at 78W 21L so my figures are correlating well with making a small profit as what others have experienced playing HIT & RUN but I am playing more often than 1-10 games a day. With recovery built in my actual profit is 3 euro. So I have a way to go to improve this result because this result would not be acceptable if it were typical of my next 14,000 games playing this way. I need to get to at least 85W:15L to make this worthwhile.
As a bot I do not mind that it is grinding small profits because I have not spent the time playing it. But I do expect it to generate several hundred dollars a day to make it worth the effort. So playing less and for higher units will probably show an improvement.
Cheers,
Ricky
I have an idea to present :)
Since the first bet of the Original PB has the highest success rate
How about a positive progression on the first bet.
-or maybe an Oscar's Grind on the first bet?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 05, 11:59 AM 2018
I have an idea to present :)
Since the first bet of the Original PB has the highest success rate
How about a positive progression on the first bet.
-or maybe an Oscar's Grind on the first bet?
Hi ProofReader, thanks for the suggestion and you are absolutely right. My results for 100 games playing 2 steps show:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/04/05/temp_186695.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/s5nUB)
So I think we can do the following: Bet BIG first step. If it loses then we reduce profit expectation to 1/2 or 1/3 of the First bet
So progression would be 2-3 or 4-6
This limits risk to 5 or 10 units but maximizes 1st step return to 2 or 4 units and 2nd step return to 1 or 2 units unit
I will add these What ifs to my current results and do a comparison of returns together eith the recovery bets
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 10:36 AM 2018
Ok,
PB Andre version needs some serious discussion to turn it into the HOLY GRAIL system that we have been looking for. I just came across a 4-peat but thankfully missed placing a bet (thanks coderjoe, you saved me from another 140 euro loss by addressing your posts)
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/04/05/temp_595534.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/s5vqK)
Now this pattern formed 4 repeat but failed on the 5th attempt. So we need to formulate a plan to avoid getting stung by a marty progression on the 4th pattern.
Now I am thinking along the lines of FLAT BETTING for 1 step AFTER the 3rd pattern is formed. ie the 9th hand of the pattern BPP BPP BPP start betting P. If we lose then decide do I call it a loss and wait for the next trigger or do I continue the progression?
My recent analysis shows in the context of 100 games we will come out ahead stopping here and taking the small loss requiring just one game to recover.
Now what we can do is WAIT for the result of the next hands to see if the 4th repeat does form. As in the above, if it does, I would make my 2nd bet against it forming a 5th time. With this example we would have won. So the progression would be 1-2 but only bet on hand 1 of the 4th repeat and hand 1 of the 5th repeat if the 4th completed.
Let me know your thoughts on the merits of this approach.
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky,
I like to say the truth...
I don't know what the hell is going on.
I felt like I was in paradise. Now I feel like I'm walking to hell.
Yesterday I had a great defeat ... again. As soon as I entered the casino I saw the pattern BPP already formed by 4 times in a row and. I thought: It's a great opportunity to make a big profit.
So I used the progression 200, 400, 600 and I had loss. I did not believe what I was seeing ... The pattern was formed more than 5 times: BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BPB.
Besides the money I also lost my laptop because I threw it on the wall. I collapsed so nervous that I was. Sorry but I lost confidence in the strategy.
I feel depressed with no hope. A ruined dream ...
If you have any suggestions tell me. Help me...
I failed! My enemies... enjoy my failure.
That Andre was honest ..you just gained a lot of respect from me..hope your ok...and I bet anyone would have took the opportunity too bet and not owned up to being hit hard
PB Andre is strong - maybe stronger than PB Sentinel. The results I showed were from Ricky's PDF result file for 36 games on baccarat using the 3-step cyclic progression that starts with 1-1-2.
Andre - you saw BPP BPP BPP BPP - a four time repeat. Looking at those results it is apparent that you already missed a LOSER. You assumed it would change, went in big and were very unlucky to have a disaster.
What can be learned? Maybe there needs to be another rule here in such a case? Noticing such an instance and realising that a loss has been avoided one perhaps SHOULD wait for the losing sequence to run its course and naturally end FIRST before awaiting a fresh trigger and resuming with a higher 3-step cycle of bets?
I'm sorry to hear the news that it backfired on you - but this all I can think of at present.
A.
Andre its ok $hit happens.
I hope you are kidding???
We need to keep it in the Matrix.
PPP
BBB
PBP
OR VERTICAL BUT IN THE THREE MATRIX.
P
P
P
B
B
B
P
B
P
Look at my sheet from this morning here you go.
The last pattern that had not come up was PBP so I played BPB and won on the first try.
Stuart
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 05, 01:40 PM 2018
Ricky,
I like to say the truth...
I don't know what the hell is going on.
I felt like I was in paradise. Now I feel like I'm walking to hell.
Yesterday I had a great defeat ... again. As soon as I entered the casino I saw the pattern BPP already formed by 4 times in a row and. I thought: It's a great opportunity to make a big profit.
So I used the progression 200, 400, 600 and I had loss. I did not believe what I was seeing ... The pattern was formed more than 5 times: BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BPB.
Besides the money I also lost my laptop because I threw it on the wall. I collapsed so nervous that I was. Sorry but I lost confidence in the strategy.
I feel depressed with no hope. A ruined dream ...
If you have any suggestions tell me. Help me...
I failed! My enemies... enjoy my failure.
Hi Andre,
i am really sorry for your loss, but remember what i told you before.
THIS SYSTEM IS A LOSER!
WHY?
Because in one loss you are going to vomit all the money you won + your investment and give it back to the house.
I have invested a lot of money in my early days using EC Permutations and lost big!
I suggest that you return to roulette and focus on physics, you have said that you got a small computer..Nuts are there..
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 05, 01:59 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
i am really sorry for your loss, but remember what i told you before.
THIS SYSTEM IS A LOSER!
WHY?
Because in one loss you are going to vomit all the money you won + your investment and give it back to the house.
I have invested a lot of money in my early days using EC Permutations and lost big!
I suggest that you return to roulette and focus on physics, you have said that you got a small computer..Nuts are there..
Physics just make sure the ear piece does not get stuck in your ear I freaked out the first time that happen
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 05, 10:53 AM 2018
This isn't really relevant to the most important stat which is the win rate. Whether people stop at different times or use different progressions, win goals etc won't change the win rate which is what denotes the edge and what JL has consistently claimed is way above 7:1 (the probability expectation).
Long-term in a game such as Baccarat the chance to win or lose is pretty much 50/50 I have had success with PB and it does well but I still don't know the long-term iron clad win rate.
Stuart
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 05, 01:40 PM 2018
Ricky,
I like to say the truth...
I don't know what the hell is going on.
I felt like I was in paradise. Now I feel like I'm walking to hell.
Yesterday I had a great defeat ... again. As soon as I entered the casino I saw the pattern BPP already formed by 4 times in a row and. I thought: It's a great opportunity to make a big profit.
So I used the progression 200, 400, 600 and I had loss. I did not believe what I was seeing ... The pattern was formed more than 5 times: BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BPB.
Besides the money I also lost my laptop because I threw it on the wall. I collapsed so nervous that I was. Sorry but I lost confidence in the strategy.
I feel depressed with no hope. A ruined dream ...
If you have any suggestions tell me. Help me...
I failed! My enemies... enjoy my failure.
Hi Andre,
I am sorry to hear you have had a 2nd loss in 1 week. I hope you did not actually throw your laptop. But from the tone of the post I fear you actually did.
So two losses and 100 wins. This still classifies as the HOLY GRAIL and as I mentioned we need to ditch the MARTY and FLAT BET or at least do a 1-2 if the 5th repeat starts. In your example you would only be down 2 units. But I am sure you did not see a 6-peat so as I said we could stop at FLAT betting on the 4th or make one bet at the start of each "peat" until it ends. My preference is just to stop at FLAT BETTING
What we could also do is use Positive Progression. So after a win or 2 wins next trigger we could increase our bet by half and risk some of our profit. If we lose we go back down to original base bet. This type of betting is recommended by a blackjack professional called Shawn Tinling link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2ak8lkDZM (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2ak8lkDZM)
Progression would be 50-50-75-100-150-200-300-600.....
So as you have a winning streak on your first bet of the Trigger you follow the above progression after each win. On a loss you start back at 50 but FLAT BET for each trigger. In the long run I think we will do really well and we ditch the MARTY and its dire consequences
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 08:25 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
I am sorry to hear you have had a 2nd loss in 1 week. I hope you did not actually throw your laptop. But from the tone of the post I fear you actually did.
So two losses and 100 wins. This still classifies as the HOLY GRAIL and as I mentioned we need to ditch the MARTY and FLAT BET or at least do a 1-2 if the 5th repeat starts. In your example you would only be down 2 units. But I am sure you did not see a 6-peat so as I said we could stop at FLAT betting on the 4th or make one bet at the start of each "peat" until it ends. My preference is just to stop at FLAT BETTING
What we could also do is use Positive Progression. So after a win or 2 wins next trigger we could increase our bet by half and risk some of our profit. If we lose we go back down to original base bet. This type of betting is recommended by a blackjack professional called Shawn Tinling link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2ak8lkDZM (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2ak8lkDZM)
Progression would be 50-50-75-100-150-200-300-600.....
So as you have a winning streak on your first bet of the Trigger you follow the above progression after each win. On a loss you start back at 50 but FLAT BET for each trigger. In the long run I think we will do really well and we ditch the MARTY and its dire consequences
cheers,
Ricky
There are many posts about negative progression do not change the expectancy.
Recovery based progression is a fallacy.
JL PB 3steps bet has a win rate of slightly less than 7:1 for player bets, and slightly more than 7:1 for banker bet. Any under/over count is due to variance.
This is not an opinion.
It is a math fact.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 05, 01:40 PM 2018
Ricky,
I like to say the truth...
I don't know what the hell is going on.
I felt like I was in paradise. Now I feel like I'm walking to hell.
Yesterday I had a great defeat ... again. As soon as I entered the casino I saw the pattern BPP already formed by 4 times in a row and. I thought: It's a great opportunity to make a big profit.
So I used the progression 200, 400, 600 and I had loss. I did not believe what I was seeing ... The pattern was formed more than 5 times: BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BPB.
Besides the money I also lost my laptop because I threw it on the wall. I collapsed so nervous that I was. Sorry but I lost confidence in the strategy.
I feel depressed with no hope. A ruined dream ...
If you have any suggestions tell me. Help me...
I failed! My enemies... enjoy my failure.
Sorry you loss the bet.
The million dollar question -
is PBandre 4steps bet a winner or loser ?My test shows the following average count -
1. 3 signals appear in 20 shoes,
2. Complete 4steps loss appear 1-2 times in 100 shoes,
3. the 1st step is net positive,
4. the 2nd step is 50:50,
3. the 3rd/4th step is smaller net positive.
Can someone confirm or disprove my findings pls ? TQ
Thank you all for the support!
Losing that amount really hurts. And in a moment of stress I threw my laptop on the wall...
My mistake was being very self-confident and bet big.
But I will not give up! I will not bow! I will persist until I succeed. I'll be a winner or I'll die trying !!! It's all or nothing! I'll be a winner or I'll go broke.
I want to give a more dignified life to myself and my family. I know money is not everything but unfortunately we are in a wild capitalist world.
I'll try to bet using a new approach. I will use only a two step progression and bet smaller amounts.
I'm ready to crash and burn!
Ricky,
How are your results? What kind of progression are you using? Could you explain objectively how to use the progression you posted?
Thanks!
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 11:27 AM 2018
Hi Coderjoe,
thanks for clarifying. So my interpretation was correct. I won't dispute the win rate because this is going to be different for everyone depending on their method they use and the actual spins experienced. We are not disputing that LUCK has something to play in obtaining a win rate of 7 or 10 or 33. This is gambling after all.
What we are trying to do is find the method of play that is going to maximize the rate of return. So this is where progression comes into it. Everyone has a different tolerance to risk and therefore use different progressions. Some use a 3 step, others limit it to 2 steps where the third step is not worth the risk. I do a 0-1-2 step in my BOT betting FOR/AGAINST depending on the result of the first spin. The basic rule is
DON'T bet the 1st spin
IF 1st spin would have WON betting AGAINST then continue betting AGAINST in next 2 spins.
IF 1st spin would have LOST betting AGAINST then switch to betting FOR the pattern in next 2 spins
The idea here is I am seeing all 3 spins and not stopping after the 2nd spin. I get to see if the 8th pattern did result immediately AFTER the 7th pattern but I am limiting myself to a 1-2 progression.
So my breAK EVEN is much more than 7:1 its more like 25:1 because I am only risking 3 units not 7 units.
With 1 game to go I am currently at 78W 21L so my figures are correlating well with making a small profit as what others have experienced playing HIT & RUN but I am playing more often than 1-10 games a day. With recovery built in my actual profit is 3 euro. So I have a way to go to improve this result because this result would not be acceptable if it were typical of my next 14,000 games playing this way. I need to get to at least 85W:15L to make this worthwhile.
As a bot I do not mind that it is grinding small profits because I have not spent the time playing it. But I do expect it to generate several hundred dollars a day to make it worth the effort. So playing less and for higher units will probably show an improvement.
Cheers,
Ricky
After 6 days running, my BOT finally finished its 100 GAME test of PB on Roulette last night (actually completed 102 games) and performed well. I did not lose my 600 euro bankroll and overall made 25 euro betting 4-6 euro base bets. Considering the exposure to the wheel and the risk of ruin I think this is a sound result. There is PLENTY of room to optimize. This is where I will share my results (raw data) and will leave it to those interested in doing deep analysis to provide their feedback and ideas on how the next test can be improved. I will allow about a week before performing my next test.
Summary results
GAMES PLAYED 102
WINS 81
LOSS 21
STEP 1 WINS 52
STEP 2 WINS 29
Attached is the results which include:
1. Document showing inputs to my BOT used and graph of respective runs. Amounts show vary from graph to graph as this represented my real bankroll at the time but while running I was also testing Baccarat so my bankroll kept changing. Next time I will not do this but use the same bankroll for each test to be more consistent with the figures.
2. PB-BOT HIT & RUN 100 game test.xlsx - Stats I was taking from the results
3. PB-BOT-dd-mm-yyyy HIT AND RUN.xlsx - export from RX of actual spins and bets including where VIRTUAL bets were performed. These bets did not actually place bets on the casino but kept track in RX of the bet and result. This is used for tracking only mode and when we are out of the game in a HIT and RUN mode. So you can use these bets to determine how we would have went had we kept playing continuously without taking a break.
Enjoy
PS
In the meantime I will start playing PB Andre version on Baccarat to try and capitalize on this incredible win rate. I will try FLAT BETTING for the next month after seeing 3 repeats
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: cht on Apr 05, 09:17 PM 2018
Sorry you loss the bet.
The million dollar question - is PBandre 4steps bet a winner or loser ?
My test shows the following average count -
1. 3 signals appear in 20 shoes,
2. Complete 4steps loss appear 1-2 times in 100 shoes,
3. the 1st step is net positive,
4. the 2nd step is 50:50,
3. the 3rd/4th step is smaller net positive.
Can someone confirm or disprove my findings pls ? TQ
Hi CHT check my recent post confirming your findings. Here it is again
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 07:18 AM 2018
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 05, 10:39 PM 2018Ricky,
How are your results? What kind of progression are you using? Could you explain objectively how to use the progression you posted?
Thanks!
Hi Andre,
Firstly I would like to thank you for sharing this method with the forum and your observation of the rarity of this sequence. Subsequent results and testing have obviously shown that this may be one of MANY patterns that only come up on rare occasions. But when they do they can obviously come in waves. So we need to always be prepared that the next trigger is going to be the one to form the rare 4th or 5th or 6th pattern. So the only way to tackle this is to do as I suggested with the FLAT BETTING and using POSITIVE progression as mentioned by Shawn Tinling playing blackjack. If you get a winning streak betting FIRST step then you increase your bet after 2 wins in a row. You keep increasing using 50-50-75-100-150-200-300-400-500 UNTIL your 1st STEP loses. Then you go back to betting 50 on 1st STEP. Now to avoid your recent wipe out I would not try to use Marty of negative progression for the next step but what I would do is if the 4th pattern repeats bet another 50 on the 1st step of the 5th pattern. If it repeats then bet another 50 on the 6th pattern. This way we are only FLAT betting knowing that eventually the pattern must stop. If it stops halfway through a repeat then we take the loss and wait for the next trigger. Doing this I think we can even avoid covering the Tie Bet as we are not using negative progression betting anymore
I will try this for the next month and see if I continue getting the 10:1 ratio on 1st step
Cheers,
Ricky
Thanks Ricky!
Tomorrow I'll buy another laptop...lol and start it again.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 05, 01:56 PM 2018
PB Andre is strong - maybe stronger than PB Sentinel. The results I showed were from Ricky's PDF result file for 36 games on baccarat using the 3-step cyclic progression that starts with 1-1-2.
Andre - you saw BPP BPP BPP BPP - a four time repeat. Looking at those results it is apparent that you already missed a LOSER. You assumed it would change, went in big and were very unlucky to have a disaster.
What can be learned? Maybe there needs to be another rule here in such a case? Noticing such an instance and realising that a loss has been avoided one perhaps SHOULD wait for the losing sequence to run its course and naturally end FIRST before awaiting a fresh trigger and resuming with a higher 3-step cycle of bets?
I'm sorry to hear the news that it backfired on you - but this all I can think of at present.
A.
Hi Atlantis
It may be stronger. But the wait can test even my patience lol. And I dont play Baccarat. Roulette is my game. But if its working for Andre and Ricky im happy for them. The name of the game is to consistently increase your bankroll over the LONGTERM...
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 11:07 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
Firstly I would like to thank you for sharing this method with the forum and your observation of the rarity of this sequence. Subsequent results and testing have obviously shown that this may be one of MANY patterns that only come up on rare occasions. But when they do they can obviously come in waves. So we need to always be prepared that the next trigger is going to be the one to form the rare 4th or 5th or 6th pattern. So the only way to tackle this is to do as I suggested with the FLAT BETTING and using POSITIVE progression as mentioned by Shawn Tinling playing blackjack. If you get a winning streak betting FIRST step then you increase your bet after 2 wins in a row. You keep increasing using 50-50-75-100-150-200-300-400-500 UNTIL your 1st STEP loses. Then you go back to betting 50 on 1st STEP. Now to avoid your recent wipe out I would not try to use Marty of negative progression for the next step but what I would do is if the 4th pattern repeats bet another 50 on the 1st step of the 5th pattern. If it repeats then bet another 50 on the 6th pattern. This way we are only FLAT betting knowing that eventually the pattern must stop. If it stops halfway through a repeat then we take the loss and wait for the next trigger. Doing this I think we can even avoid covering the Tie Bet as we are not using negative progression betting anymore
I will try this for the next month and see if I continue getting the 10:1 ratio on 1st step
Cheers,
Ricky
Hi Andre,
I just applied FLATBETTING to my results and it proves this is a winner 925Euro with LITTLE risk vs 296 with HUGE risk. I will be switching to this method with 50 euro base bets
Quote from: cht on Apr 04, 03:01 AM 2018
Mind set, patience and discipline is not bullshit.
It is a core necessity for success. Even if you possess a winning system you will still fail.
Your level of patience and discipline is correlated to the relative bet size compared to your net worth. If your bet size is too small, you naturally have inherited poor patience/discipline.
How you select your bet size depends on your confidence with the system you play. Here fear comes into play in a big way. If you lack confidence or your financial circumstances naturally put you on the back foot fear then plays a huge role.
As a result you select a bet size less then optimal to reduce the risk that trigger your fear - psychologically from this fear standpoint you feel comfortable at this selected risk level.
At the same time we have expectations of how much we wish to win - this is normally on the high end of the scale. When we play at a risk tolerable bet size lesser than the optimal we feel bored, listless where the work becomes meaningless even if we come out winning most of the time - our extrapolated perception will whisper repeatedly to us it takes a very long time to reach our goal.
Here, people blame that the lack of patience and discipline is the culprit for their failure.
Not entirely wrong.
However, FEAR that guides their choice from the start do play a much larger role in success or failure than many realise.
That's why we read this sayings -
"learn to lose"
"lose $100k to win"
"scared money never win"
"It's not about how smart or right you are, it's all about how much you win. -------- cht
EXACTLY.
Without PATIENCE. You will bet TOO MUCH AT THE 🛑WRONG TIME🛑
Thats how a winning systen can become a losing one.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 05, 11:27 PM 2018
Hi Atlantis
It may be stronger. But the wait can test even my patience lol. And I dont play Baccarat. Roulette is my game. But if its working for Andre and Ricky im happy for them. The name of the game is to consistently increase your bankroll over the LONGTERM...
Hi Sentinel,
based on recent events I don't think we need to be as patient as we thought. The patterns seem to be forming more often than we first antipicated. What I am liking is that I am not gambling as much as I used to. Especially during casino visits. So as you say the name of the game is to grow your bankroll betting sparingly. This method certainly takes care of the betting sparingly. Now I just need those wins to grow my bankroll. I think the method I just described is a safe way to do this without risking ruin. I'll give it a try and keep you posted. But to fine tune the system I think the best thing is to observe other rare patterns and add them to the list of triggers. All patterns are going to come in waves but most time they will fail to form so if we can get 10:1 wins on 3 or 4 patterns then thats 30:1 or 40:1 in total. Combine this with a positive progression I think winning streaks can optimize the gains
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 04, 12:08 PM 2018
Hi Ricky,
Did you realise you used the word "patience" 7 times and the word "discipline" 9 times in your last 3 posts?
Here's the thing about computer simulations :
* Computer simulations never get impatient (they have endless PATIENCE).
* Computer simulations do exactly what they're told (they have perfect DISCIPLINE).
* They never get tired or make mistakes.
* They never need to go for a piss, or get distracted by the dealer's big tits.
I could go on...
My simulation played PB correctly to the letter, and even with plenty of PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE, it didn't get anything like the astounding results claimed by JL. Instead, the results were exactly as probability would predict, and which would be the same if you were just betting constantly on red.
I'm sorry, but those are the facts.
Computer simulations in no way mirror REALITY. Thats why they are an unreliable source for testing a systems value.
The only way to test a systems true value is EXACTLY how you intend to play it in reality. This is why so many dismiss a system like PB. It didnt stand up to 100k spins in an RNG. Therefore throw it away people.
No in REALITY it ticks along beautifully. But its constantly asking the player. DO YOU HAVE THE PATIENCE FOR SUCCESS?
And the anwser from 999 out of a 1000 people is NO.
And thats why they will never know this game can be beaten consistently. Their mind wandering and jumping from system to sytem. Expecting to find somerhing that never loses.
Year pass by. And the overwhelming conclusion in their mind is, roulette cant be beaten longterm. They resign themselves to that false belief for the rest of their days.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 05, 06:42 AM 2018
Ricky, think about what you're saying here. If this was true, then you could save a lot of time and boredom by just betting on red and not waiting for the 7 patterns to show. If played "sparingly" you would win more than you lose according to your logic. JL has said he's played 14,000 games; is that playing "sparingly"? And if you create a bot to play PB, is that playing "sparingly" if you have it running 24/7?
15,000 games over ELEVEN YEARS, is indeed sparingly CODERJOE.
I would play anything from 1 to 10 games a day. Thats why a simulator can in no way mirror what i do. Its like having sex with a blow up doll instead of a real woman. It might feel good to some. But its just not the same.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 11:38 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
I just applied FLATBETTING to my results and it proves this is a winner 925Euro with LITTLE risk vs 296 with HUGE risk. I will be switching to this method with 50 euro base bets
Sorry bothering you... But I'm typing on my mobile. I'm without a laptop right now and it's hard to understand the Excel file by mobile.
Are you using the positive progression as mentioned by Shawn Tinling,?
50-50-75-100-150-200-300-400-500
How to use this progression?
I didn't understand it.
The first bet is $50. If I win? If I lose?
How many patterns do u wait?
I'm betting after BPP BPP BP or PBB PBB PB
How many games a day?
I need to watch the video.
Thanks in advance
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 05, 12:37 PM 2018
Hi ProofReader, thanks for the suggestion and you are absolutely right. My results for 100 games playing 2 steps show:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/04/05/temp_186695.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/s5nUB)
So I think we can do the following: Bet BIG first step. If it loses then we reduce profit expectation to 1/2 or 1/3 of the First bet
So progression would be 2-3 or 4-6
This limits risk to 5 or 10 units but maximizes 1st step return to 2 or 4 units and 2nd step return to 1 or 2 units unit
I will add these What ifs to my current results and do a comparison of returns together eith the recovery bets
Cheers,
Ricky
Yes Ricky that first STEP is very special. It owns 45--50% of most 100 game sets. Its there to be exploited. I am favouring it myself now. Especially when it doesnt hit for 5 games in a row.
Over 11 years and 15,000 games the longest gap I have between step 1 wins is 🛑10 GAMES🛑 In 11 years. The average is 🛑4 GAMES🛑These kind of stats have to be taken SERIOUSLY. They add to the system and assure longterm profit.
In fact a system could be fashioned just to play STEP 1. and it would be another roulette killer. A system within a system.
Ricky,
I just watched the video about flatbetting and I don't know if it's a good idea.
It is difficult to have a winning streak on the first bet.
I prefer using 1, 2 progression after PBB PBB PB or BPP BPP BP.
I have only two losses in about 3 months. But the last loss hurt me because I was greedy
What do you think?
Anyway I'll give it a try.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 06, 12:52 AM 2018
Ricky,
I just watched the video about flatbetting and I don't know if it's a good idea.
It is difficult to have a winning streak on the first bet.
I prefer using 1, 2 progression after PBB PBB PB or BPP BPP BP.
I have only two losses in about 3 months. But the last loss hurt me because I was greedy
What do you think?
Anyway I'll give it a try.
Andre,
Sorry to hear of your loss. Hopefully, you will recover it soon.
I am glad that you are giving the 1 2 a try.
That is now my standard progression for playing JL's version of PB (previously, I used the 1 2 2 progression).
Just stay away from progressions, like the 1 2 4 and the equally risky 1 1 3 6.
Why?
Because when you are using more prudent progressions (the 1 2 is one, in my book) and the losing sequences come (and they will, regardless of whichever method you play), the losses in terms of actual monetary units will be relatively small -- and more easily recoverable.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 05, 01:40 PM 2018
Ricky,
I like to say the truth...
I don't know what the hell is going on.
I felt like I was in paradise. Now I feel like I'm walking to hell.
Yesterday I had a great defeat ... again. As soon as I entered the casino I saw the pattern BPP already formed by 4 times in a row and. I thought: It's a great opportunity to make a big profit.
So I used the progression 200, 400, 600 and I had loss. I did not believe what I was seeing ... The pattern was formed more than 5 times: BPP BPP BPP BPP BPP BPB.
Besides the money I also lost my laptop because I threw it on the wall. I collapsed so nervous that I was. Sorry but I lost confidence in the strategy.
I feel depressed with no hope. A ruined dream ...
If you have any suggestions tell me. Help me...
I failed! My enemies... enjoy my failure.
Andre can you give me your current STATS please...
GAMES PLAYED
GAMES WON
GAMES LOST
You say failure. But what has failed? The system as you play it requires how many wins to break even?
I think you are expecting too much. Because it got off to an amazing start. You should have maintained YOUR BET SIZE.
Dont be drawn in to thinking this cant happen that cant happen. And then risk silly money.
Maintain your composure. And keep to the STAKING PLAN.
You still have POSITIVE STATS. Ricky whats the win loss record for you?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 05, 11:18 PM 2018
Thanks Ricky!
Tomorrow I'll buy another laptop...lol and start it again.
Hi, I don't post a lot, but I read this thread every day...
Andre, may I suggest you, keeping good your bet selection, instead of using a martingale that wipe out all your profits, to change your MM looking at your bets Won or Lost and build, basing on all your data you should have accumulated, a proper progression that makes your losses recovered by winnings.
make a L-W registry from your first attempt and look for a progression that can handle the variance you met.
regards
A
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 03, 05:05 AM 2018
Hi DoctorSudoku,
Using the 3-step cyclic progression over 4 bets would look like this:
1121
2222
2223
2333
3333
4344
4444
4545
5555....etc...
But if a four-step cycle series would be simply like this:
1-1-1-2
1-1-2-2
1-2-2-2
2-2-2-2
2-2-2-3
......... etc...
If a win occurs in a cycle then restart from the beginning of that cycle line UNLESS level or ahead overall in which case restart from first cycle.
Although, personally, I like the 3-step cycle prog I posted earlier..
A.
Atlantis,
Thanks for posting these cyclic progressions. They may or may not work for PB.
I am not sure. Maybe you have tested them for PB and maybe they are giving positive results.
However, these long drawn out cyclic progressions are particularly effective for grinding out small but consistent profits using classical bet selection methods, like FTL, OLD, DBL, and ODBL.
Baccarat players, quite understandably, use those bet selection methods much more frequently than do roulette players.
So these progressions that you have posted should be of natural interest to baccarat players.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 06, 01:10 AM 2018
Andre can you give me your current STATS please...
GAMES PLAYED
GAMES WON
GAMES LOST
You say failure. But what has failed? The system as you play it requires how many wins to break even?
I think you are expecting too much. Because it got off to an amazing start. You should have maintained YOUR BET SIZE.
Dont be drawn in to thinking this cant happen that cant happen. And then risk silly money.
Maintain your composure. And keep to the STAKING PLAN.
You still have POSITIVE STATS. Ricky whats the win loss record for you?
Will you believe it?
About 3 months playing using 1, 1, 3, 6 progression. PPB PPB PB or BPP BPP BP
I confess some games I went to 5 step progression... Craziness
Games played around 7 a day
Games won around 400
Games break even around 180
Games "real loss" 2
Games "tie" loss I don't know
Currently my bet size is $45 for a profit of $225 a day. I started 3 months ago bet size $3
I failed because I was gredy and very self-confident
Thanks for the advices
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 06, 01:09 AM 2018
Andre,
Sorry to hear of your loss. Hopefully, you will recover it soon.
I am glad that you are giving the 1 2 a try.
That is now my standard progression for playing JL's version of PB (previously, I used the 1 2 2 progression).
Just stay away from progressions, like the 1 2 4 and the equally risky 1 1 3 6.
Why?
Because when you are using more prudent progressions (the 1 2 is one, in my book) and the losing sequences come (and they will, regardless of whichever method you play), the losses in terms of actual monetary units will be relatively small -- and more easily recoverable.
Thanks DOCTORSUDOKU
Using 1, 1, 3, 6 progression is too much stress. I can't get it no more...
Sometimes I went to 5 step progression. Rarely.
I was lucky not to bust my bankroll
I'll try 1, 2 progression and play safely
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 06, 01:10 AM 2018Ricky whats the win loss record for you?
Hi Sentinel,
its still 35-1 but still in the black.
As mentioned, I think FLAT BETTING is still a good option and applying positive progression when I get step 1 win will accelerate my wins
Andre, when you get your laptop look at my spreadsheet. Flatbetting will be better in the long run. ONLY bet on step 1 but WAIT until 3 repeats BPP BPP BPP (nine hands) this way you are virtual betting your 8th hand and avoiding the loss. Then if you lose WAIT to see if the 4th repeat occurs. If it does then do another FLAT BET AGAINST the 5th repeat. If you lose repeat the WAIT until the 6th etc. This way you will avoid the disaster you find yourself in.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 06, 01:39 AM 2018
Will you believe it?
About 3 months playing using 1, 1, 3, 6 progression. PPB PPB PB or BPP BPP BP
I confess some games I went to 5 step progression... Craziness
Games played around 7 a day
Games won around 400
Games break even around 180
Games "real loss" 2
Games "tie" loss I don't know
Currently my bet size is $45 for a profit of $225 a day. I started 3 months ago bet size $3
I failed because I was gredy and very self-confident
Thanks for the advices
You will come back from that loss Andre just stick to your staking plan in relation to bankroll size.
Greed is as dangerous as impatience. Well they go hand in hand. But as Altantis said. The system itself is even stronger than PB the way I play it.
And if I could make money even if my strikerate was 7--1. You should have no problems whatsoever. Just take it step by step...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 06, 12:46 AM 2018n fact a system could be fashioned just to play STEP 1. and it would be another roulette killer. A system within a system.
Hi Sentinel,
this is what I am going to try with Baccarat as I mentioned. If it does not work it won't be a great loss. But if it does it will meet one of my preferences to use POSITIVE progressions in preference to NEGATIVE ones
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 06, 02:12 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
this is what I am going to try with Baccarat as I mentioned. If it does not work it won't be a great loss. But if it does it will meet one of my preferences to use POSITIVE progressions in preference to NEGATIVE ones
Cheers,
Ricky
Yes Ricky, if you are getting similar win rate with Baccarat. You cannot go wrong.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 06, 02:12 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
this is what I am going to try with Baccarat as I mentioned. If it does not work it won't be a great loss. But if it does it will meet one of my preferences to use POSITIVE progressions in preference to NEGATIVE ones
Cheers,
Ricky
Ricky
I watched the video. I don't know if it really works.
I prefer betting against:
PBB PBB PB or BPP BPP BP
I'll try using 1, 2 progression to avoid bust my bankroll.
I was using 1, 1, 3, 6 progression
I never say that but sometimes I went to 1, 1, 3, 6, 12 that's craziness
Several times I got close to losing my bankroll. I cant take that much stress anymore. I was lucky to constantly win with this crazy progression. But I have to stop before I burst.
Now I'll try using 1, 2 progression and avoid a heart attack...lol
Sorry Andre for your loss (& laptop) :(
you'll be back better & stronger :d
@all: I going to re-post Ophis' MST tracker attached
which includes the original Pattern Breaker among the systems
Cheers!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 06, 02:31 AM 2018
I was using 1, 1, 3, 6 progression
I never say that but sometimes I went to 1, 1, 3, 6, 12
that's craziness
1 1 3 6 12 !!!!!!
For the first time, I now understand why your laptop is in the state that it currently is in at the present moment.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 06, 02:33 AM 2018
Sorry Andre for your loss (& laptop) :(
you'll be back better & stronger :d
@all: I going to re-post Ophis' MST tracker attached
which includes the original Pattern Breaker among the systems
Cheers!
Thanks proofreader2000
I learned a hard lesson and now I know what not to do.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 06, 02:44 AM 2018
1 1 3 6 12 !!!!!!
For the first time, I now understand why your laptop is in the state that it currently is in at the present moment.
Yes, I apologize to everyone for not mentioning that sometimes I used 5 step progression and sometimes I got close to lost my bankroll. I was lucky.
45+45+135+270+540= 1035
hi,
a quick question for those who play PB on baccarat.
if we are tracking each 3 outcomes what to do then when the T come's around?
ex. PPT.............do we ignore it and put the next outcome behind the PP or do we start over with new 3 outcomes?
also.....if the T come's while betting we must take the loss ......am i right?
Quote from: Belgiangambler on Apr 06, 03:09 AM 2018
hi,
a quick question for those who play PB on baccarat.
if we are tracking each 3 outcomes what to do then when the T come's around?
ex. PPT.............do we ignore it and put the next outcome behind the PP or do we start over with new 3 outcomes?
also.....if the T come's while betting we must take the loss ......am i right?
Hi BelgianGambler,
I have resorted to backing the Tie on the 2nd bet onwards to avoid the losing situation. Plus you get a bonus win. I try to size my tie bet to get the equivalent of 2 wins of E/C eg I was betting 10, 25+5, 80+10 to make 40-10=30 and 80-40=40 if the tie hits
When tracking I do not ignore the Tie. Wait for the next pattern
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 06, 02:12 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
this is what I am going to try with Baccarat as I mentioned. If it does not work it won't be a great loss. But if it does it will meet one of my preferences to use POSITIVE progressions in preference to NEGATIVE ones
Cheers,
Ricky
Yes
baccarat is the game to play. Have been harping this on a roulette forum. Oops! ;D
Forget about progressions,
flat bet. Another harping exercise. ;D
Find more playable rare patterns.
Andre curvefitted the results and no one is admitting it or what.
Quote from: psimoes on Apr 06, 05:00 AM 2018
Andre curvefitted the results and no one is admitting it or what.
Hi psimoes,
We should all take what gets said on these forums with a grain of salt. The moderator clearly mentions this. Those "curvefitting" results will get found out in the end. I don't expect anyone to believe what I say on this forum unreservedly. Do your own research and see if the information checks out. This is what I have done on PB and PB on Baccarat. I freely share my raw data, not some filtered version of it. What I find useful in the forum is the sharing of ideas. Its through sharing that we improve on the known. I am still convinced a rare pattern on Baccarat can be exploited if managed with discipline and patience. There I go again those two dirty words. We should be replacing them with uncontrolled gambling and impatience. The key to ruin.
Cheers,
Ricky
A BIG AMEN ON THAT RICKY.
Quote from: cht on Apr 05, 09:17 PM 2018
Sorry you loss the bet.
The million dollar question - is PBandre 4steps bet a winner or loser ?
My test shows the following average count -
1. 3 signals appear in 20 shoes,
2. Complete 4steps loss appear 1-2 times in 100 shoes,
3. the 1st step is net positive,
4. the 2nd step is 50:50,
3. the 3rd/4th step is smaller net positive.
Can someone confirm or disprove my findings pls ? TQ
The following observations are for my playing of PB as per JL's version.
Also, I have my own tweaks that I have incorporated into my actual playing regimen.
My results show that the 1st step is net positive (slightly, NOT overwhelmingly -- otherwise, I would just flat bet the 1st step and make good profits).
My results show that the 2nd step is net positive (again slightly -- and the effect is WEAKER than for the 1 st step).
The 3rd step is barely 50/50 or thereabouts.
Because of my above observations, I decided to switch from the 1 2 2 to the 1 2 about six months ago last year.
Quote from: The General on Apr 05, 06:01 AM 2018
Guys,
I get it. You like the pattern breaker. Perhaps it's fun. But try and formulate a physical reason as to why it should work.
What do you believe is the reason that it should work?
What's the point general you dont play PB, or do you? if you dont play then why do you have to post your neg comments in here and every where
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 06, 02:09 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
its still 35-1 but still in the black.
As mentioned, I think FLAT BETTING is still a good option and applying positive progression when I get step 1 win will accelerate my wins
Andre, when you get your laptop look at my spreadsheet. Flatbetting will be better in the long run. ONLY bet on step 1 but WAIT until 3 repeats BPP BPP BPP (nine hands) this way you are virtual betting your 8th hand and avoiding the loss. Then if you lose WAIT to see if the 4th repeat occurs. If it does then do another FLAT BET AGAINST the 5th repeat. If you lose repeat the WAIT until the 6th etc. This way you will avoid the disaster you find yourself in.
Cheers,
Ricky
Well thats phenomenal Ricky. Ive never had an overall strikerate above 14--1. But the point is knowing what I know even 7--1 would be profitable. Once youve played 1000 games I will be amazed if you are still 35--1. For a three step marty. If you are, then it will be safe to say you have the best 3 step system ever.
I know Andre took a beating a few days ago. But it was more a case of losing his money management discipline. Than the system actually failing him. STEP 1 presents alot of potential Ricky.
Ive gone over 2000 games 20 sets of 100. Its worst performance is 43% out of a 100. Its best 54% out of a 100. Average is 48%. With clever MM. This is a certain winner. Longest gap between wins over those 2000 games was 6.
Not only that Ricky. It produces AT LEAST 4 tripples every 100 games. And has won 5 in a row many times. 6 in a row being the best run I have on record...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 06, 08:20 AM 2018Once youve played 1000 games I will be amazed if you are still 35--1. For a three step marty. If you are, then it will be safe to say you have the best 3 step system ever.
I know Andre took a beating a few days ago. But it was more a case of losing his money management discipline. Than the system actually failing him. STEP 1 presents alot of potential Ricky.
Hi Sentinel,
I agree MM is key. But just to confirm how rare these patterns are, I have not found one betting opportunity tracking 2 tables in the last 5 hours. I am itching to put on my first 50 euro flat bet but no triggers. What I sometime do to tease it is put on 1 euro bets after 4 or 5 hands that form the pattern but it never gets past 7 hands before I win the lousy 1 euro. Its amazing
Anyway, while waiting been doing some analysis on my 100 game BOT test. How do these figures correlate with your long term averages. Also, can you give me some suggestions on bet size for my next run. I have 600 euro bankroll and want to target about 300 euro in the next 10 days playing sparingly
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Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 06, 08:58 AM 2018
Hi Sentinel,
I agree MM is key. But just to confirm how rare these patterns are, I have not found one betting opportunity tracking 2 tables in the last 5 hours. I am itching to put on my first 50 euro flat bet but no triggers. What I sometime do to tease it is put on 1 euro bets after 4 or 5 hands that form the pattern but it never gets past 7 hands before I win the lousy 1 euro. Its amazing
Anyway, while waiting been doing some analysis on my 100 game BOT test. How do these figures correlate with your long term averages. Also, can you give me some suggestions on bet size for my next run. I have 600 euro bankroll and want to target about 300 euro in the next 10 days playing sparingly
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/04/06/temp_314631.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/sGdn1)
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Winner on Apr 06, 09:22 AM 2018
157 bets made in over 8000 spins you guys are nuts.
Andre keep working or invest in a business .
Or become a kick ass poker player .
Quote from: Winner on Apr 06, 09:25 AM 2018
157 bets made in over 8000 spins you guys are nuts.
Andre keep working or invest in a business .
Or become a kick ass poker player .
He Winner,
that's too much. My next test will be upping the betsize in DECREASING the bets. The idea is to find the BEST conditions to place those WINNING bets. No need to tempt the casino to take our money.
Any suggestions for betsize on 600 euro welcome.
PS. The Virtual Bets made showed a loss of 46 euro had I played continuously through that period I would have played another 87 games and lost 20 euro overall. So the simulation of HIT and RUN waiting for a virtual loss was successful in avoiding some losses and extending the winning streak
Cheers,
Ricky
Only 157 bets in 8000 spins ?
That's f****** slow !!!
Quote from: psimoes on Apr 06, 05:00 AM 2018
Andre curvefitted the results and no one is admitting it or what.
Thats true. The strategy doesn't work. The results I posted are just to encourage the players. No one can beat casinos.
I take medicine and sometimes I get kind of stunned.
I like betting horses. But when I have nothing to do I come here in this forum.
Cheers
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 06, 05:20 AM 2018
Hi psimoes,
We should all take what gets said on these forums with a grain of salt. The moderator clearly mentions this. Those "curvefitting" results will get found out in the end. I don't expect anyone to believe what I say on this forum unreservedly.
Cheers,
Ricky
That's true!
You guys have to watch out for disturbed people like me. I like to post positive results to make everyone in the forum excited. I do not have much to do here in mental hospital.
Sorry to fool all of you.
I will not post here anymore.
But why? Because I like to be honest and I like honest people (players).
Good luck to everyone!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 06, 11:43 AM 2018
I will not post here anymore.
But why? Because I like to be honest and I like honest people (players).
Good luck to everyone!
Come on Andre, you are sensitive to that curvefitting comment ?
No harm grow some thick skin right. I enjoyed your posts on here. Don't stop now.
sorry to hear about this andre... keep your head up dude :thumbsup:
The reason I took to original PB is because there is no opportunity to temp us to chase a losing bet... its a 3 step bet and that's all, TRIGGER comes within 50spins 99.9% of the time and the runs of winning streaks feel great.
roulette is hard game to play with discipline and patience.... I'm still on my break from learning the hard way of not raising my stakes to about 10% of bankroll (I think this is a big MUST for me) I lost that patience and went on to gamble all over the board layout losing my £250 iv made from playing PB. I WILL ALWAYS PLAY WITH UNIT STAKES AT 10% UNITS OF MY BANKROLL FROM NOW ON AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN THE SYSTEM.
Cheers
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 06, 12:00 AM 2018Computer simulations in no way mirror REALITY. Thats why they are an unreliable source for testing a systems value.
That's complete crap. Of course computers can't mirror reality but only in ways which don't matter to the success of the system. A system is just rules and decisions to make, and any computer can be told what these are. And for reasons both I and Ricky have already said, a computer is far more reliable in many ways than any person could be because they don't make mistakes, get emotional etc.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 06, 11:43 AM 2018
I will not post here anymore.
But why? Because I like to be honest and I like honest people (players).
Good luck to everyone!
Andre,
I guess I have to tell you this again:
Just IGNORE the trolls.
Do your stuff.
And keep posting your results.
I have been having success with employing methods based on rare patterns since the second half of 2015.
I will keep on playing such methods as long as my bank roll keeps growing.
That is the ONLY thing that matters to me.
Do you think I will stop playing just because these trolls tell me that they don't believe me or that they think my methods don't work?Hell will have to freeze over before that ever happens.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 06, 12:15 PM 2018
That's complete crap. Of course computers can't mirror reality but only in ways which don't matter to the success of the system. A system is just rules and decisions to make, and any computer can be told what these are. And for reasons both I and Ricky have already said, a computer is far more reliable in many ways than any person could be because they don't make mistakes, get emotional etc.
Hi Coderjoe, what sentinel is trying to say is if you use RNG (random number generator) to generate your spin data, it does not reflect the reality of a live dealer spinning the wheel. What you can do is look at my test results and extract the spin data from the 4 excel files. Use these in your simulation and then we can analyse the results further.
If you need help in locating the let me know. These spins are from live dealer
Cheers
Ricky
Ricky, I don't think that's what JL is saying. He saying that "somehow" a simulation is unreliable but won't say how (because he can't). The difference between RNG and real spins isn't so great for a system like this that it makes the difference between winning and losing.
I admit that there are some systems where it does affect the bottom line because RNG is definitely more "random" than actual spins. But these are systems based on the wheel, betting sectors or hot numbers. I've seen some amazing results using real spins where the system tanked using RNG, but have never seen a system based on outside bets where it made a difference, which makes sense if you think about it.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 06, 12:15 PM 2018
That's complete crap. Of course computers can't mirror reality but only in ways which don't matter to the success of the system. A system is just rules and decisions to make, and any computer can be told what these are. And for reasons both I and Ricky have already said, a computer is far more reliable in many ways than any person could be because they don't make mistakes, get emotional etc.
I dont make mistakes and get emotional.
RNGs do not MIRROR a live wheel in any way PERIOD. I have seen things on an RNG you wont see on a real wheel in 10 lifetimes.
Like 6 times on N0.7 🛑IN A ROW🛑
Simulators can never mirror my play.
For example I played two games today. Just two games on two different wheels. It will be 18 hours before I play again. I fell out of the cycle for 18 hours.
How does a MACHINE MIMIC THAT?
🛑🛑🛑IT DOESNT🛑🛑🛑
Thats why I hold a strikerate over 7--1 PERMANENTLY.
You have to do the THE REAL WORK CODERJOE. Simulators are for lazy people. And thats always been the problem. MOST PEOPLE are substituting their laziness and impatience. For ARTIFICIAL RESULTS.
So they walk away from a system like PB which if played as i play it. Would give them financial freedom inside 18 months.
You gave away your own lack of patience and lazyness in one of your posts. CODERJOE.
I have said this a thousand times.
🛑IF YOU CAN WAIT YOU CAN WIN🛑
If you cannot forget it. This game isnt for you.
I will come to Las vegas in 2020. As a millionaire coderjoe. You will be welcome to join me. I will pay for you to be there. And you will see why I became a milloonaire from PB.
And then you will know your simulator did not mirror reality.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 06, 05:55 PM 2018
Simulators can never mirror my play.
For example I played two games today.
Just two games on two different wheels.
It will be 18 hours before I play again.
I fell out of the cycle for 18 hours.
How does a MACHINE MIMIC THAT?
🛑🛑🛑IT DOESNT🛑🛑🛑
Thats why I hold a strikerate over 7--1 PERMANENTLY.
JL,
Interesting way of putting it.
I also believe that playing the rare pattern-based methods on a
hit-and-run basis and playing these methods
SPARINGLY are what has made these methods work for me for
the last 2-plus years.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 06, 02:31 AM 2018
Ricky
I watched the video. I don't know if it really works.
I prefer betting against:
PBB PBB PB or BPP BPP BP
I'll try using 1, 2 progression to avoid bust my bankroll.
I was using 1, 1, 3, 6 progression
I never say that but sometimes I went to 1, 1, 3, 6, 12 that's craziness
Several times I got close to losing my bankroll. I cant take that much stress anymore. I was lucky to constantly win with this crazy progression. But I have to stop before I burst.
Now I'll try using 1, 2 progression and avoid a heart attack...lol
Hi Andre,
You may be right with this method. I think we need to have the confidence that it is a rare event to experience what you did this week. Yesterday I spent 7 hours till 4am with little sleep waiting for the pattern to form. It finally appeared BPP BPP BPP. So I put 35 euro 30 on P ,5 on Tie and it lost. I said to myself I will commit to the FLATBET plan I advised you. Don't use MARTY. So I WAITED. Had I used MARTY I would have won next bet. So after 7 hours my only chance to bet even after waiting for 9 hands I lost the bet that I could have one using our original progression strategy. So logistically doing it this way is not viable. We would need more betting opportunities in a session to use FLAT BET method or more PATIENCE and time. I will resort to 1-2 and if I feel confident will go a third step.
Today I got up and check the tables. Immediately I saw a BPP start to repeat 2 times. So I tracked and sure enough it got to 8 hands the BPP BPP B so I put 10 euro on for it not to complete the 3rd repeat. And won. I think this is the way to play it. Put small recoverable bets on in case you do get a win. Then if you lose the first few with realtive small bets then go for broke and start putting the big bets on. But only if it will not destroy your bankroll. It has to be all in proportion. Like if you are 10K up you can afford to lose 1K. But if you are 1K up why risk losing all for one bet to make 10 euro risking 1K euro
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 06, 11:27 PM 2018
Hi Andre,
You may be right with this method. I think we need to have the confidence that it is a rare event to experience what you did this week. Yesterday I spent 7 hours till 4am with little sleep waiting for the pattern to form. It finally appeared BPP BPP BPP. So I put 35 euro 30 on P ,5 on Tie and it lost. I said to myself I will commit to the FLATBET plan I advised you. Don't use MARTY. So I WAITED. Had I used MARTY I would have won next bet. So after 7 hours my only chance to bet even after waiting for 9 hands I lost the bet that I could have one using our original progression strategy. So logistically doing it this way is not viable. We would need more betting opportunities in a session to use FLAT BET method or more PATIENCE and time. I will resort to 1-2 and if I feel confident will go a third step.
Today I got up and check the tables. Immediately I saw a BPP start to repeat 2 times. So I tracked and sure enough it got to 8 hands the BPP BPP B so I put 10 euro on for it not to complete the 3rd repeat. And won. I think this is the way to play it. Put small recoverable bets on in case you do get a win. Then if you lose the first few with realtive small bets then go for broke and start putting the big bets on. But only if it will not destroy your bankroll. It has to be all in proportion. Like if you are 10K up you can afford to lose 1K. But if you are 1K up why risk losing all for one bet to make 10 euro risking 1K euro
Cheers,
Ricky
From 7 hours not seeing a single 3 peater I get two opportunities in 10 minutes including this 2 peater. Decided to go for it to avoid losing another session. Won with the Tie. Always cover the Tie on Big bets this is why. I had 160 euro plus 15 euro on Tie for the start of the 5th repeat. I won on the Tie. Ended up losing 25 euro overall. Better than 125 euro. But could have been worse.
Ok In hindsight FLAT BETTING would have worked here with a bonus Tie and my money back on the second bet risking only 50 euro. But with Hindsight you always makes the right decision ;D
cheers
Ricky
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I observed today on Celtic BBBBBBBBBBBBPPPPPPP in what the experts call a 50/50 game but that is over the long term, in the short term we can see over 15 player or 15 bankers in a row.
I was saying no way another banker, wow and that was after seven.
It would be wise that we observe and focus is Andre keeping the results in a Matrix be it horizontal or vertically.
I lost some money the other day because I thought the banker would not win again, well now I am going to play if we have a BBB it a 50/50 shot of turning into a BBBB so I will now play to turn in a quad.
The same with player PPP.................PPPP.
Stuart
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 06, 07:44 PM 2018
JL,
Interesting way of putting it.
I also believe that playing the rare pattern-based methods on a hit-and-run basis and playing these methods SPARINGLY are what has made these methods work for me for the last 2-plus years.
ABSOLUTELY DR. But you will never convince the likes of CODERJOE of this fact.
He cannot process this truth. His job is to get the majority to dismiss. Because can you imagine what would happen to the gaming industry if 100,000 people like you and me existed.
Its OVER. So in a sense we need people like CODERJOE. To keep the game rolling for us to profit unhindered.
Why do you care so much about what CoderJoe (and similar to him) says? Ignore it. :question:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 06, 07:44 PM 2018
JL,
Interesting way of putting it.
I also believe that playing the rare pattern-based methods on a hit-and-run basis and playing these methods SPARINGLY are what has made these methods work for me for the last 2-plus years.
Progression 1-2 (L-L)
what next?
Quote from: blueman on Apr 07, 01:57 AM 2018
Progression 1-2 (L-L)
what next?
JL and others like to use a recovery progression (like 1 2, then 2 4, etc.).
I do NOT like recovery progressions.
When I get an LL, I just stick with the 1 2.
And if I get another LL, I still stick to the 1 2.
Also, I do NOT increase the dollar amounts of the betting units.
Another very important thing is NOT to keep playing one game after another.
Just play a few games per day or per casino visit.
The biggest mistake you can make is playing one game after another. You are almost guaranteed to hit the individual losses and, in the worst case scenario, a long losing streak.
For instance, I only play a maximum of 4 games of PB (airball wheel) per casino visit. I can only visit casinos on Fri/Sat nights and my average casino visit lasts on average 6 hours.
So I only play 4 games of PB (airball wheel) in 6 hours.
And I do NOT play those 4 games of PB consecutively.
I play 2 games of PB and then I play other methods or do other stuff for
the next 1-2 hours and then play the remaining 2 games of PB -- and I am done with PB for roulette for the rest of the night.
I do play 2 games of PB at baccarat also.
Ideally, I would like to reverse the above numbers: 2 games of PB at roulette and 4 games of PB at baccarat per casino visit, but the tables for the latter are always full even well after midnight.
One thing I will warn you about:
You play PB or any other roulette method continuously throughout the evening or per casino visit, you will most likely LOSE money. The key remains this: for the best chance of success playing PB, play it on a
hit-and-run basis and play it
SPARINGLY.
This approach has been working for me consistently since the summer/fall of 2015.
That is my advice to you.
Quote from: bikemotorman on Apr 07, 12:14 AM 2018
I observed today on Celtic BBBBBBBBBBBBPPPPPPP in what the experts call a 50/50 game but that is over the long term, in the short term we can see over 15 player or 15 bankers in a row.
I was saying no way another banker, wow and that was after seven.
It would be wise that we observe and focus is Andre keeping the results in a Matrix be it horizontal or vertically.
I lost some money the other day because I thought the banker would not win again, well now I am going to play if we have a BBB it a 50/50 shot of turning into a BBBB so I will now play to turn in a quad.
The same with player PPP.................PPPP.
Stuart
Stuart,
When you see a streak like the above one developing and you get an overwhelming urge to join the action, you have two stark choices:
either bet for the chop or bet for the streak to continue.
My recommendation would be to bet on the side that is exhibiting the streak.
If you bet on the chop and you win, you win only one unit.
On the other hand, if you bet on the streak to continue and it obliges and keeps going on and on, you can make some serious moolah.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 07, 03:02 AM 2018
you can make some serious moolah.
Mega moolah from a SLUT machine
-:)
Quote from: sentinel3 on Apr 06, 05:55 PM 2018Simulators can never mirror my play.
For example I played two games today. Just two games on two different wheels. It will be 18 hours before I play again. I fell out of the cycle for 18 hours.
How does a MACHINE MIMIC THAT?
🛑🛑🛑IT DOESNT🛑🛑🛑
Thats why I hold a strikerate over 7--1 PERMANENTLY.
This is nonsense. If leaving 18 hours between your sessions is important to the success of the system, then why don't you mention it in the rules? And if it's not important it doesn't matter does it? And time isn't important anyway, if it actually meant anything it would be the number of spins between sessions which made the difference, not the number of hours. Suppose you get held up on your way to the casino because your car breaks down and start to play later than you intended. Then you win, have you won because you were late? ;D
If random events like this make the difference between winning and losing then obviously it's not the system rules which cause you to win. And If playing at random times is important you can still get the computer to mirror them by using an RNG to skip a random number of spins in a file. You can get it to mirror playing at different wheels by using multiple spin files containing spins from different wheels.
Or perhaps you believe that something like scratching your arse after every loss or wearing a green shirt is causing you to win. In that case you've got me; a computer can't mimick that. ;D
QuoteHe cannot process this truth. His job is to get the majority to dismiss.
I really don't care whether anyone continues to believe that PB is a winning system. What I mind is that you are deliberately trying to convince people that simulations are invalid. I'll leave it up to readers to decide why, but it's not that hard to figure out. ;)
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 07, 03:37 AM 2018
This is nonsense. If leaving 18 hours between your sessions is important to the success of the system, then why don't you mention it in the rules? And if it's not important it doesn't matter does it? And time isn't important anyway, if it actually meant anything it would be the number of spins between sessions which made the difference, not the number of hours. Suppose you get held up on your way to the casino because your car breaks down and start to play later than you intended. Then you win, have you won because you were late? ;D
If random events like this make the difference between winning and losing then obviously it's not the system rules which cause you to win. And If playing at random times is important you can still get the computer to mirror them by using an RNG to skip a random number of spins in a file. You can get it to mirror playing at different wheels by using multiple spin files containing spins from different wheels.
Or perhaps you believe that something like scratching your arse after every loss or wearing a green shirt is causing you to win. In that case you've got me; a computer can't mimick that. ;D
I really don't care whether anyone continues to believe that PB is a winning system. What I mind is that you are deliberately trying to convince people that simulations are invalid. I'll leave it up to readers to decide why, but it's not that hard to figure out. ;)
They are invalid PERIOD. And I am going to be the one to prove that.
You carry on playing with your simulator. I will carry one winning above BREAK EVEN POINT..Thats the REALITY.
Guys, just be aware who you're dealing with here. sentinel3 is John Legend / Fender. He's been around for years and has appeared on numerous forums always making the same ludicrous claims. He seems to be a compulsive liar.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11347.0
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 07, 12:00 AM 2018
From 7 hours not seeing a single 3 peater I get two opportunities in 10 minutes including this 2 peater. Decided to go for it to avoid losing another session. Won with the Tie. Always cover the Tie on Big bets this is why. I had 160 euro plus 15 euro on Tie for the start of the 5th repeat. I won on the Tie. Ended up losing 25 euro overall. Better than 125 euro. But could have been worse.
Ok In hindsight FLAT BETTING would have worked here with a bonus Tie and my money back on the second bet risking only 50 euro. But with Hindsight you always makes the right decision ;D
cheers
Ricky
Ricky,
I sent you a pm. Check it
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 07, 04:34 AM 2018
Guys, just be aware who you're dealing with here. sentinel3 is John Legend / Fender. He's been around for years and has appeared on numerous forums always making the same ludicrous claims. He seems to be a compulsive liar.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11347.0
Again...
What the hell is going on here!?!
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 07, 03:37 AM 2018
This is nonsense. If leaving 18 hours between your sessions is important to the success of the system, then why don't you mention it in the rules? And if it's not important it doesn't matter does it? And time isn't important anyway, if it actually meant anything it would be the number of spins between sessions which made the difference, not the number of hours. Suppose you get held up on your way to the casino because your car breaks down and start to play later than you intended. Then you win, have you won because you were late? ;D
If random events like this make the difference between winning and losing then obviously it's not the system rules which cause you to win. And If playing at random times is important you can still get the computer to mirror them by using an RNG to skip a random number of spins in a file. You can get it to mirror playing at different wheels by using multiple spin files containing spins from different wheels.
Or perhaps you believe that something like scratching your arse after every loss or wearing a green shirt is causing you to win. In that case you've got me; a computer can't mimick that. ;D
I really don't care whether anyone continues to believe that PB is a winning system. What I mind is that you are deliberately trying to convince people that simulations are invalid. I'll leave it up to readers to decide why, but it's not that hard to figure out. ;)
U Will Never Know Cox U Never Try.... Testing n Reality is Different .... 🤐🤐🤐
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 07, 02:51 AM 2018
JL and others like to use a recovery progression (like 1 2, then 2 4, etc.).
I do NOT like recovery progressions.
When I get an LL, I just stick with the 1 2.
And if I get another LL, I still stick to the 1 2.
Also, I do NOT increase the dollar amounts of the betting units.
Another very important thing is NOT to keep playing one game after another.
Just play a few games per day or per casino visit.
The biggest mistake you can make is playing one game after another. You are almost guaranteed to hit the individual losses and, in the worst case scenario, a long losing streak.
For instance, I only play a maximum of 4 games of PB (airball wheel) per casino visit. I can only visit casinos on Fri/Sat nights and my average casino visit lasts on average 6 hours.
So I only play 4 games of PB (airball wheel) in 6 hours.
And I do NOT play those 4 games of PB consecutively.
I play 2 games of PB and then I play other methods or do other stuff for the next 1-2 hours and then play the remaining 2 games of PB -- and I am done with PB for roulette for the rest of the night.
I do play 2 games of PB at baccarat also.
Ideally, I would like to reverse the above numbers: 2 games of PB at roulette and 4 games of PB at baccarat per casino visit, but the tables for the latter are always full even well after midnight.
One thing I will warn you about: You play PB or any other roulette method continuously throughout the evening or per casino visit, you will most likely LOSE money.
The key remains this: for the best chance of success playing PB, play it on a hit-and-run basis and play it SPARINGLY.
This approach has been working for me consistently since the summer/fall of 2015.
That is my advice to you.
Hi DR
If you have been following my system that I have shared with PB and MV7 coded you will have noticed that it allows you to run multiple bet selection methods. I now have 9 methods coded. I also have a scoring system which I use to select the best method to use based on what the wheel is doing streaks footprints etc
My goal is to gradually add more rules to simulate real conditions. Simulations will then more accurately reflect the success of a method staking levels and progressions.
So once I confirm methods like PB are good candidates to play as part of a complete system i will be doing exactly as you say, play 2 or 3 games of one method and then move to another method
Coderjoe has mentioned himself that the best systems are the ones that play different methods sparingly. That’s why you cannot play PB continuously without giving it a break and either stop betting or switch systems
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 05:41 AM 2018
Again...
What the hell is going on here!?!
Ever heard of the Pied Piper of Hamelin?
On the first time he led the rats through the streets all the way to the cliff. As no one payed him tribute, he now wants to take away the little children.
I just want to know
Fender, John Legend and sentinel3 is the same guy with different names?
Some time ago I had given him the benefit of the doubt.
I think that the moderators have to clarify this situation.
You still dont believe it. Find out for yourself
Quote from: psimoes on Apr 07, 06:57 AM 2018
Ever heard of the Pied Piper of Hamelin?
On the first time he led the rats through the streets all the way to the cliff. As no one payed him tribute, he now wants to take away the little children.
Ahhhahahahahahahaha! :) :) :)
For the Rats:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=QuuAZH4C-lY
A.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 07:12 AM 2018
I just want to know
Fender, John Legend and sentinel3 is the same guy with different names?
Some time ago I had given him the benefit of the doubt.
Yes Andre.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 07:19 AM 2018
I think that the moderators have to clarify this situation.
What is there to clarify ?
Quote from: cht on Apr 07, 07:42 AM 2018
What is there to clarify ?
Clarify why moderators are allowing this.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 07:48 AM 2018
Clarify why moderators are allowing this.
The local mob demands it.
The forum requires traffic.
Nice guy is a better role than the bad guy.
Howzat for clarification. :twisted:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 07:48 AM 2018
Clarify why moderators are allowing this.
Instead of wasting your time wondering about it, ask yourself the following question:
Why is it that after playing roulette all this time, you are still using something like
1 1 3 6 12 ?It will serve you and your life's goals better
(since by your own admission, roulette is your ONLY source of income).
Quote from: Andre Chass on Apr 07, 07:48 AM 2018
Clarify why moderators are allowing this.
Sentil is posting fine. I cant see a problem.
Whats the issue?.
Ive read a few of hos posts. Hes not hustling or anything dubious.
Quote from: Turner on Apr 07, 08:42 AM 2018
Sentil is posting fine. I cant see a problem.
Whats the issue?.
Ive read a few of hos posts. Hes not hustling or anything dubious.
JL = Fender
Sentinel = Fender
He misleads people and lies.--------- SteveSo, if you make new membership. All OK.
Thanks for the tip. :xd:
Just kidding. :xd: :xd: :xd:
Typically a scammer sells something
They don’t share a method in which other members have similar results playing it
For some reason he is really bothering people
I don’t get it
There is a really neat thing called not reading the thread?
I hate when people use multiple names
But it’s obvious he isn’t doing anything wrong
I say leave him alone and don’t read the thread.
CoderJoe used the word compulsive liar.
Steve claimed he misleads people and lie.
2. The final straw here was him using a fake name "thepilot" and proxies. -------- steve
Strong words of accusation. There are a few more ?
And the Drama begins.
Quote from: Winner on Apr 07, 09:20 AM 2018
And the Drama begins.
For pointless reason
They can simply not read the thread if they dislike
I had a guy I was doing business with a few years ago on the internet I never met him but would talk to him quite a bit on the phone, but finally, I did a Skype chat with him and my lovely wife said don't do business with this guy he looks like a bad person or drug head, in the end, my wife was correct.
Guys this is the internet and there is a 50/50 chance things are not what they appear to be and people are trolls.
I am not saying in this that is true about PB but just be careful and play it on BACCARAT there is no zero.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Apr 07, 09:26 AM 2018
I had a guy I was doing business with a few years ago on the internet I never met him but would talk to him quite a bit on the phone, but finally, I did a Skype chat with him and my lovely wife said don't do business with this guy he looks like a bad person or drug head, in the end, my wife was correct.
Guys this is the internet and there is a 50/50 chance things are not what they appear to be and people are trolls.
I am not saying in this that is true about PB but just be careful and play it on BACCARAT there is no zero.
Stuart
The woman's intuition is always spot on.
Especially when there's another woman.
Welcome to the baccarat club. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Winner on Apr 07, 09:20 AM 2018
And the Drama begins.
With Andre, drama is a way of life.
Read a few posts back what "happened" to his poor laptop.
Hopefully, he will get interested in repeaters and take his
DRAMA QUEEN-ery over to those threads.
And I will have no hesitation in saying,
GOOD RIDDANCE to him.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 07, 03:02 AM 2018
Stuart,
When you see a streak like the above one developing and you get an overwhelming urge to join the action, you have two stark choices:
either bet for the chop or bet for the streak to continue.
My recommendation would be to bet on the side that is exhibiting the streak.
If you bet on the chop and you win, you win only one unit.
On the other hand, if you bet on the streak to continue and it obliges and keeps going on and on, you can make some serious moolah.
Very good Doc, I even had on my home practice craps table with me throwing the dice only I went point SEVEN OUT 13 STRAIGHT TIMES. so if I played dont pass on my self I would have cleaned up lol.
I never even made one point number at all just set a point seven out wham.
I called my craps buddy Tony in Vegas to see if he ever observed that many DP wins and he said yes he observed a table full where 19 shooters set point seven out wham..........THE DONT PASS GUYS WERE GOING NUTS AND SILENTLY CHEEEEEERRRRINNINGGGGGGG YESSSSSSSSSSSS SEVEN WINNER.
StUaRt
Quote from: bikemotorman on Apr 07, 10:08 AM 2018
Very good Doc, I even had on my home practice craps table with me throwing the dice only I went point SEVEN OUT 13 STRAIGHT TIMES. so if I played dont pass on my self I would have cleaned up lol.
I never even made one point number at all just set a point seven out wham.
I called my craps buddy Tony in Vegas to see if he ever observed that many DP wins and he said yes he observed a table full where 19 shooters set point seven out wham..........THE DONT PASS GUYS WERE GOING NUTS AND SILENTLY CHEEEEEERRRRINNINGGGGGGG YESSSSSSSSSSSS SEVEN WINNER.
StUaRt
Stuart,
When you have a streak developing, it is worth taking a chance on it continuing for a few more spins/rolls/hands.
What is the worst that can happen to you?
If there is a chop on the very next decision, you lose the amount that you bet.
But that is the only bet you lose !
On the other hand, if the streak continues, the sky is the limit for you !
Obviously, I am exaggerating a bit with the above analogy, but you get the picture.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 07, 10:28 AM 2018
Stuart,
When you have a streak developing, it is worth taking a chance on it continuing for a few more spins/rolls/hands.
What is the worst that can happen to you?
If there is a chop on the very next decision, you lose the amount that you bet.
But that is the only bet you lose !
On the other hand, if the streak continues, the sky is the limit for you !
Obviously, I am exaggerating a bit with the above analogy, but you get the picture.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Stuart,
I have to sound a caveat, though.
The above method might be a bit less effective in craps.
Why?
Craps is a pretty choppy game -- you don't see too many long streaks of Passes and Don't Passes.
In roulette and baccarat, the streaks tend to occur more frequently and, on average, they tend to be longer.
So the above method works much better in these two games.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 07, 10:28 AM 2018
Stuart,
When you have a streak developing, it is worth taking a chance on it continuing for a few more spins/rolls/hands.
What is the worst that can happen to you?
If there is a chop on the very next decision, you lose the amount that you bet.
But that is the only bet you lose !
On the other hand, if the streak continues, the sky is the limit for you !
Over in Macau and Singapore they play the streak dragon. Follow the streak crowd can be a simple profitable strategy. :thumbsup:
Obviously, I am exaggerating a bit with the above analogy, but you get the picture.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 07, 09:41 AM 2018
With Andre, drama is a way of life.
Read a few posts back what "happened" to his poor laptop.
Hopefully, he will get interested in repeaters and take his DRAMA QUEEN-ery over to those threads.
And I will have no hesitation in saying, GOOD RIDDANCE to him.
I would recommend repeat follow the last even money how simple is that and then see how many ways you can make it lose .
Quote from: Turner on Apr 07, 08:42 AM 2018
Sentil is posting fine. I cant see a problem.
Whats the issue?.
Ive read a few of hos posts. Hes not hustling or anything dubious.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Apr 07, 09:14 AM 2018
CoderJoe used the word compulsive liar.
Steve claimed he misleads people and lie.
2. The final straw here was him using a fake name "thepilot" and proxies. -------- steve
Strong words of accusation. There are a few more ?
:thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 07, 09:41 AM 2018
With Andre, drama is a way of life.
Read a few posts back what "happened" to his poor laptop.
Hopefully, he will get interested in repeaters and take his DRAMA QUEEN-ery over to those threads.
And I will have no hesitation in saying, GOOD RIDDANCE to him.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Apr 07, 09:01 AM 2018
JL = Fender
Sentinel = Fender
He misleads people and lies.--------- Steve
So, if you make new membership. All OK.
Thanks for the tip. :xd:
Just kidding. :xd: :xd: :xd:
:thumbsup:
Well, I'm done here.
Good luck!
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 07, 04:34 AM 2018
Guys, just be aware who you're dealing with here. sentinel3 is John Legend / Fender. He's been around for years and has appeared on numerous forums always making the same ludicrous claims. He seems to be a compulsive liar.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11347.0
Im a compulsive liar for saying i win above break even point?
Dr Sodoku does the same. Is he a compulsive liar too. Just carry on believing what you believe CoderJoe. I will not speak on this subject again.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 07, 02:51 AM 2018
JL and others like to use a recovery progression (like 1 2, then 2 4, etc.).
I do NOT like recovery progressions.
When I get an LL, I just stick with the 1 2.
And if I get another LL, I still stick to the 1 2.
Also, I do NOT increase the dollar amounts of the betting units.
Another very important thing is NOT to keep playing one game after another.
Just play a few games per day or per casino visit.
The biggest mistake you can make is playing one game after another. You are almost guaranteed to hit the individual losses and, in the worst case scenario, a long losing streak.
For instance, I only play a maximum of 4 games of PB (airball wheel) per casino visit. I can only visit casinos on Fri/Sat nights and my average casino visit lasts on average 6 hours.
So I only play 4 games of PB (airball wheel) in 6 hours.
And I do NOT play those 4 games of PB consecutively.
I play 2 games of PB and then I play other methods or do other stuff for the next 1-2 hours and then play the remaining 2 games of PB -- and I am done with PB for roulette for the rest of the night.
I do play 2 games of PB at baccarat also.
Ideally, I would like to reverse the above numbers: 2 games of PB at roulette and 4 games of PB at baccarat per casino visit, but the tables for the latter are always full even well after midnight.
One thing I will warn you about: You play PB or any other roulette method continuously throughout the evening or per casino visit, you will most likely LOSE money.
The key remains this: for the best chance of success playing PB, play it on a hit-and-run basis and play it SPARINGLY.
This approach has been working for me consistently since the summer/fall of 2015.
That is my advice to you.
Very clearly written, thanks! :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 07, 09:04 AM 2018
Typically a scammer sells something
They don’t share a method in which other members have similar results playing it
For some reason he is really bothering people
I don’t get it
There is a really neat thing called not reading the thread?
I hate when people use multiple names
But it’s obvious he isn’t doing anything wrong
I say leave him alone and don’t read the thread.
You just saved me posting all that....cheers man
Its JL....its Fender....its fuckin Lord Lucan.
Man....If you really like Pattern Breaker and want to know more, and Sentinel is JL, then you just pissed on your chips...
lol....
Im hanging off a cliff with one hand and a fat guy walks by.
I choose " hey, you big fat ugly bastard, help me up"
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/04/07/temp_155338.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/stMEc)
Quote from: Turner on Apr 07, 03:06 PM 2018
You just saved me posting all that....cheers man
Cheers
Quote from: Turner on Apr 07, 03:13 PM 2018
Im hanging off a cliff with one hand and a fat guy walks by.
I choose " hey, you big fat ugly bastard, help me up"
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/04/07/temp_155338.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/stMEc)
Turner,
That was
Man U today until the 52nd minute.
Sometimes it is NOT a good at all idea to help someone who is hanging off the ledge.
:twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: blueman on Apr 07, 02:30 PM 2018
Very clearly written, thanks! :thumbsup:
If you are starting out playing PB, you can use the 1 2, for sure.
Or, if you want to be more careful, try these alternate progressions:
1 1
1 1.5As always, play strictly using a hit and run approach -- and play
sparingly per day or per casino visit.
And if you hit a losing streak early on, do not get worried.
Keep playing and there is a good chance you will recover -- and even be in profit -- after some games.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 07, 05:41 PM 2018
Turner,
That was Man U today until the 52nd minute.
Sometimes it is NOT a good at all idea to help someone who is hanging off the ledge.
:twisted: :twisted:
I don't want to gloat. :)
Pep's citeh out of CL to follow then loss to Spurs this weekend, a 4 defeat on the trot is on the card completely shredding the media hype.
Quote from: cht on Apr 07, 10:52 PM 2018
I don't want to gloat. :)
Pep's citeh out of CL to follow then loss to Spurs this weekend, a 4 defeat on the trot is on the card completely shredding the media hype.
The above is the strongest contender for the Nobel Prize in the "UNDERSTATEMENT of the YEAR" category (watch out for it next October).
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 07, 06:28 AM 2018
Hi DR
If you have been following my system that I have shared with PB and MV7 coded you will have noticed that it allows you to run multiple bet selection methods. I now have 9 methods coded. I also have a scoring system which I use to select the best method to use based on what the wheel is doing streaks footprints etc
My goal is to gradually add more rules to simulate real conditions. Simulations will then more accurately reflect the success of a method staking levels and progressions.
So once I confirm methods like PB are good candidates to play as part of a complete system i will be doing exactly as you say, play 2 or 3 games of one method and then move to another method
Coderjoe has mentioned himself that the best systems are the ones that play different methods sparingly.
That’s why you cannot play PB continuously without giving it a break and either stop betting or switch systems
Cheers
Ricky
Ricky,
When you have some time, can you please point out where this coder character made the above statement?
I would like to read the entire message for myself just to see what he said exactly when he made the above statement.
What I actually wrote was this :
QuoteFor your information, I play roulette regularly and am pretty successful, but experience has taught me that you can't win consistently by exclusively using a simple minded system like PB (or in fact, ANY system exclusively). But I am certainly not a "naysayer" who makes blanket statements like "no system can win".
That doesn't mean I endorse hit & run, although Ricky seems to have interpreted it that way.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 09, 03:59 AM 2018exclusively using a simple minded system like PB (or in fact, ANY system exclusi
Yep, that's the statement I am referring to and agree with his comment that the best way to WIN consistently from roulette is to vary your play by not sticking with one system. When you mention hit and run, if you are using multiple systems in a continuous mode, you are actually performing a hit&run for that system. If you then change to a different system you will use that system sparingly and then run from that system. The only issue is you are still gambling and exposing yourself to the variance of the wheel. You just need to hope that variance does not catch up to you on that system when you decide to play it. The only guaranteed way not to get caught with a loss is to stop playing completely.
Cheers,
Ricky
Most important requirement for any system is that it
indicates when not to bet. Just playing blindly, whether
a long session or short, is a one-way ticket to losing.
You cannot test a system using a computer simulator as it can’t mimic a real roulette wheel.
Coder Joe should be ignored just comes across as a bitter person that’s probably lost thousands at the wheel and hates the fact other people are winning with PB .
Tested it numerous times using LIVE numbers at spielbank always wins above the required hit rate of 7/1 to break even.
Keep using your computer simulations Joey lad :xd:
Quote from: moles40 on Apr 14, 09:03 AM 2018
You cannot test a system using a computer simulator as it can’t mimic a real roulette wheel.
Coder Joe should be ignored just comes across as a bitter person that’s probably lost thousands at the wheel and hates the fact other people are winning with PB .
Tested it numerous times using LIVE numbers at spielbank always wins above the required hit rate of 7/1 to break even.
Keep using your computer simulations Joey lad :xd:
As I have said before multiple times on this thread, I have been playing PB with a set of my own tweaks since the second half of 2015 and I have been enjoying a decent amount of success with it (both in roulette and baccarat).
It is
one of six rare pattern-based methods that have been working for me.
It does not matter what these computer simulations show.
My bank roll has been consistently increasing since the fall of 2015 and, at the end of the day, that is the
ONLY thing that matters to me.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 14, 01:30 PM 2018
As I have said before multiple times on this thread, I have been playing PB with a set of my own tweaks since the second half of 2015 and I have been enjoying a decent amount of success with it (both in roulette and baccarat).
It is one of six rare pattern-based methods that have been working for me.
It does not matter what these computer simulations show.
My bank roll has been consistently increasing since the fall of 2015 and, at the end of the day, that is the ONLY thing that matters to me.
Good for you, but i din't find your name on Forbes for world's most wealthy men.
Didn't you reach the $1M yet?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 14, 01:38 PM 2018
Good for you, but i din't find your name on Forbes for world's most wealthy men.
Didn't you reach the $1M yet?
Another one of your silly adolescent posts that have been flooding this forum since you became a member here.
You hardly contribute anything of substance here, other than your now famous talent of being able to use gigantic fonts.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 14, 01:46 PM 2018
Another one of your silly adolescent posts that have been flooding this forum since you became a member here.
You hardly contribute anything of substance here, other than your now famous talent of being able to use gigantic fonts.
Learn to accept other's opinion, Is this difficult for you ?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 14, 01:46 PM 2018
your now famous talent of being able to use gigantic fonts.
Interesting guy he is, just a
lucky one in roulette.
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Apr 14, 02:42 PM 2018
Interesting guy he is, just a lucky one in roulette.
Thx lucky7red for the comment
Drsudoku, I am beating roulette every day and online, I don't need to go to b&m casino and Sit hours long waiting for a pattern to repeat !!!
Last month I made $1M profit, it's too far from what you earning with baccarat
I hope you're not implying that you made 1Million online. Not a chance.
No Comment!
I know of real APs that pay online and they have a very tough time with frozen accounts, bad faith on the part of the casinos, and theft by the casinos. Claiming to win a million a month online sounds a bit like a baloney festival.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 14, 05:47 PM 2018
Hi cht
Let’s compare pattern attack with pattern breaker played on baccarat. As a baseline we have stated this before. Baccarat is the most even casino game you can play. The original version has no zero to lose e/c bets. In fact you get your money back on a tie. Ps watch out for a variant being introduced in some casinos called baccarat 2-1 where you actually lose your banker/player bets on a tie in exchange for higher returns on player/banker
Secondly. Random is set at the start of the shoe and every hand is predetermined at that point.
Thirdly, if you use a card tracking software you can determine what cards are remaining and eventually you get to a point where certain card combinations are eliminated. So if you have no combination to get to 9 for instance then you can use this information to determine your bets. It’s sort of like card counting in blackjack.
Now, let’s compare PA and PB.
Pattern breaker allows you to bet more often as the 7 patterns usually close within 2/3 of a shoe. It then becomes a factor of luck/chance whether the 8th will follow the 7th. So we need to determine if the random shuffle of a shoe is going to provide the same performance as a roulette wheel which generates a random selection every spin. Now the current version of PB has improved the original concept by using all three E/C bets to determine which one would close first allowing a random choice of betting against the 8th pattern
With pattern attack we are limiting our betting to a fixed pattern. Therefore we eliminate the risk of losing against other patterns. Due to this fact I think this is the main reason why PA performs so well. It avoids you betting whenever the pattern has not formed thus avoiding getting into a losing position. It also inherently enforces patience and discipline in your gambling.
This approach can be used on the original PB played on roulette as well as baccarat. If we were to limit the patterns we would bet against to 2 our of the 8 then we can use the same approach tracking the 7 patterns to close and then only bet against the 8th if it was one of these patterns. This would add an extra condition on the PB rules and reduce the betting opportunities to fewer shoes or spins. It may generate the same win rate also.
Any thoughts and comments welcome
Cheers
Ricky
Ricky,
Since you raised an issue pertinent to PB in the above post (albeit from another thread), it is appropriate that we can try to address it here on the PB thread.
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 14, 05:47 PM 2018
Hi cht
Let’s compare pattern attack with pattern breaker played on baccarat. As a baseline we have stated this before. Baccarat is the most even casino game you can play. The original version has no zero to lose e/c bets. In fact you get your money back on a tie. Ps watch out for a variant being introduced in some casinos called baccarat 2-1 where you actually lose your banker/player bets on a tie in exchange for higher returns on player/banker
Secondly. Random is set at the start of the shoe and every hand is predetermined at that point.
Thirdly, if you use a card tracking software you can determine what cards are remaining and eventually you get to a point where certain card combinations are eliminated. So if you have no combination to get to 9 for instance then you can use this information to determine your bets. It’s sort of like card counting in blackjack.
Now, let’s compare PA and PB.
Pattern breaker allows you to bet more often as the 7 patterns usually close within 2/3 of a shoe. It then becomes a factor of luck/chance whether the 8th will follow the 7th. So we need to determine if the random shuffle of a shoe is going to provide the same performance as a roulette wheel which generates a random selection every spin. Now the current version of PB has improved the original concept by using all three E/C bets to determine which one would close first allowing a random choice of betting against the 8th pattern
With pattern attack we are limiting our betting to a fixed pattern. Therefore we eliminate the risk of losing against other patterns. Due to this fact I think this is the main reason why PA performs so well. It avoids you betting whenever the pattern has not formed thus avoiding getting into a losing position. It also inherently enforces patience and discipline in your gambling.
This approach can be used on the original PB played on roulette as well as baccarat. If we were to limit the patterns we would bet against to 2 our of the 8 then we can use the same approach tracking the 7 patterns to close and then only bet against the 8th if it was one of these patterns. This would add an extra condition on the PB rules and reduce the betting opportunities to fewer shoes or spins. It may generate the same win rate also.
Any thoughts and comments welcome
Cheers
Ricky
Ricky,
I had in the past thought about cutting down on the possibilities for the 8th pattern also in order to improve the strike rate for PB.
My suspicion, naturally, fell on the BBB and PPP patterns, especially if it was in the middle of a hostile streak !
Here is an example:
Let's say the last remaining -- the 8th -- pattern is BBB.
That means that we have to bet PPP (as per PB rules).
But let's say the last two hands came out as BB.
So we have a problematic situation here -- should we start betting PPP as per the PB rules?
But what if the last two hands being BB means that it is the start of a B streak?
If that is the case, then we will lose that game by betting PPP (since we have to bet PPP to win against the last remaining 8th pattern).The above scenario -- with appropriate modifications -- can apply to other patterns also.
I never really dived into this issue in detail before, but maybe it is something we have to pay heed to (if we are interested in improving the strike rate for the original PB method).
Quote from: Ricky on Apr 14, 05:47 PM 2018
Hi cht
Let’s compare pattern attack with pattern breaker played on baccarat. As a baseline we have stated this before. Baccarat is the most even casino game you can play. The original version has no zero to lose e/c bets. In fact you get your money back on a tie. Ps watch out for a variant being introduced in some casinos called baccarat 2-1 where you actually lose your banker/player bets on a tie in exchange for higher returns on player/banker
Secondly. Random is set at the start of the shoe and every hand is predetermined at that point.
Thirdly, if you use a card tracking software you can determine what cards are remaining and eventually you get to a point where certain card combinations are eliminated. So if you have no combination to get to 9 for instance then you can use this information to determine your bets. It’s sort of like card counting in blackjack.
Now, let’s compare PA and PB.
Pattern breaker allows you to bet more often as the 7 patterns usually close within 2/3 of a shoe. It then becomes a factor of luck/chance whether the 8th will follow the 7th. So we need to determine if the random shuffle of a shoe is going to provide the same performance as a roulette wheel which generates a random selection every spin. Now the current version of PB has improved the original concept by using all three E/C bets to determine which one would close first allowing a random choice of betting against the 8th pattern
With pattern attack we are limiting our betting to a fixed pattern. Therefore we eliminate the risk of losing against other patterns. Due to this fact I think this is the main reason why PA performs so well. It avoids you betting whenever the pattern has not formed thus avoiding getting into a losing position. It also inherently enforces patience and discipline in your gambling.
This approach can be used on the original PB played on roulette as well as baccarat. If we were to limit the patterns we would bet against to 2 our of the 8 then we can use the same approach tracking the 7 patterns to close and then only bet against the 8th if it was one of these patterns. This would add an extra condition on the PB rules and reduce the betting opportunities to fewer shoes or spins. It may generate the same win rate also.
Any thoughts and comments welcome
Cheers
Ricky
This approach(bold) will require specific study. Tbh, I can't see the reason why any of the 8 patterns has a different frequency when compared to the others.
In U.K. I just noticed a lot of live roulette website offer la partage rule on roulette,this system just got even more unbeatable. :)
Does John legend play on the la partage tables,hope he and everyone else does,maybe a new progression for this feature ?
Remember it reduces the house edge by half :twisted:
Guys are getting rich playing this system with baccarat, I think Andre is profiting a lot playing his adjusted version.
Can you post his version as too many pages to go through
Quote from: moles40 on Apr 15, 07:29 AM 2018
Can you post his version as too many pages to go through
Moles,
You can read this:
Here are the rules:
Start tracking a shoe.
If you see one of the following patterns you start betting AGAINST the pattern continuing
PBB PBB PB Bet PBP
BPP BPP BP Bet BPB
Do not IGNORE tie results as this affects sequence of results. Treat it as another unmatched pattern.
You can cover the Tie to avoid losses.
Ex:
B P B P B P
B P P
B
B
B
You have above BPP BPP BP
P B P B P B
P B B
P
P
P
You have above PBB PBB PB
Both qualify as triggers
P B P B P B P
P P
You have above BPP BPP BP
B P B P B P B
B B
You have above PBB PBB PB
Both qualify as triggers.
Moles,
For the progression, come up with your own.
Or experiment around with various types and see what you feel comfortable with.
SudoKu,
You are too fast to reply, thx and appreciated :thumbsup:
it seems you never sleep, day and night in front of your PC.
when do you have time for your visit to B&M Casino?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 15, 08:06 AM 2018
SudoKu,
You are too fast to reply, thx and appreciated :thumbsup:
it seems you never sleep, day and night in front of your PC.
when do you have time for your visit to B&M Casino?
Roulettebeater,
You registered two or three years
AFTER I did and as of today you have about
150 MORE posts than I do.
And then you accuse me of being in front of the PC all day long ? ? ? ? ? ?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 15, 07:59 AM 2018
Moles,
For the progression, come up with your own.
Or experiment around with various types and see what you feel comfortable with.
You can go either for a 3 step or a 4 step progression.
Examples of 3-steppers:
1 1 1
1 1.5 1.5
1 2 2
1 1 3.
Examples of 4-steppers:
1 1 1 1
1 1.5 1.5 2
1 2 2 2
1 1 1 2.
Better yet, come up with your own variation that fits your bank roll (and psychology).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 15, 08:12 AM 2018
Roulettebeater,
You registered two or three years AFTER I did and as of today you have about 150 MORE posts than I do.
And then you accuse me of being in front of the PC all day long ? ? ? ? ? ?
You have right, i agree
Drsudoku, i would like to ask you a question, since you are a permanent visitor of B&M Casino.
I have never been to a B&M Casino, i play all the time online.
The question is, is it allowed to use your Iphone when you are playing dealer Roulette at b&m casino?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 15, 08:32 AM 2018
You have right, i agree
Drsudoku, i would like to ask you a question, since you are a permanent visitor of B&M Casino.
I have never been to a B&M Casino, i play all the time online.
The question is, is it allowed to use your Iphone when you are playing dealer Roulette at b&m casino?
Roulettebeater,
I live in the US, so I can only tell you what happens here.
In US casinos, the general idea is that you cannot use your phone while standing next to the table (regardless of whether you are just standing there or are actually betting).
If you take out your smartphone, there is a good chance that the dealer will ask you to either put it away or ask you to move away from the table.
I have seen it happen many, many times. So, yes, if you are in a casino in this country, and you want to use your smartphone, you have to move away from the table (the only exception might be if you are standing at the very far end of the table where the COLUMN bets are placed -- but I cannot vouch for it).
The situation in EU casinos may be different.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Apr 15, 08:56 AM 2018
Roulettebeater,
I live in the US, so I can only tell you what happens here.
In US casinos, the general idea is that you cannot use your phone while standing next to the table (regardless of whether you are just standing there or are actually betting).
If you take out your smartphone, there is a good chance that the dealer will ask you to either put it away or ask you to move away from the table.
I have seen it happen many, many times. So, yes, if you are in a casino in this country, and you want to use your smartphone, you have to move away from the table (the only exception might be if you are standing at the very far end of the table where the COLUMN bets are placed -- but I cannot vouch for it).
The situation in EU casinos may be different.
thx, that would be a big problem for me at some point in the future, when i can only play at land casino.
i have developed a computer program that predicts the winning number, as long as i am playing online, this should be no problem.
the idea was to deploy the program on the iphone and use it there, but you shocked me that it's not allowed to use an iphone at land casino.
i dunno what other possibility still viable for me !
I live in the US.
What I told you applies to US casinos.
One clarification: you can use your phone at the airball terminals -- no one will bother you!
The situation in EU casinos may be different, so ask your fellow euros to get a better picture.
(I like to do this every so often on this thread)
Here is Ophis' MST (Multi-System Tracker)
which includes the Original Pattern Breaker.
It tracks all three Even Chances simultaneously.
Cheers!
I know there has not been a response to this topic for quite a while, but maybe I get lucky and someone will answer my question:
Here in Duisburg we manage about 25 games of roulette per hour.
So one session (just to make one piece) could easily last one hour or more.
We have 7 patterns, each pattern needs 3 games to complete, so in the best case scenario we need 7*3=21 games to find a pattern to play against. That is almost one hour of playing time and it could go easily up to 2 hours just to wait for the correct combination.
How do some of you guys play 7 sessions per visit in a BM casino?
Do you really sit at the table for hours on end or do your local BM casinos turn faster?
Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 01, 06:30 AM 2018
I know there has not been a response to this topic for quite a while, but maybe I get lucky and someone will answer my question:
Here in Duisburg we manage about 25 games of roulette per hour.
So one session (just to make one piece) could easily last one hour or more.
We have 7 patterns, each pattern needs 3 games to complete, so in the best case scenario we need 7*3=21 games to find a pattern to play against. That is almost one hour of playing time and it could go easily up to 2 hours just to wait for the correct combination.
How do some of you guys play 7 sessions per visit in a BM casino?
Do you really sit at the table for hours on end or do your local BM casinos turn faster?
I play PB only at AIRBALL machines (I live in the US).
It is not very practical to play this method at a regular dealer-spun table because sometimes the dealers take several minutes before making the next spin (on some very busy weekends, sometimes you have to wait 6-10 minutes between spins !).
In the airball machines that I play, the ball rolls every 30-45 seconds (depending on which machine and which manufacturer).
In addition, the display unit always shows the last 24 or so numbers. When I sit down at the terminal, there are, thus, already 24 numbers for me to start tracking with.
What I do is I ignore the 8 furthest back numbers (just my preference) and start my tracking of the R/B patterns with the last 16 numbers.
On average, the first trigger (the 7th pattern) appears around the 30 spin mark -- so basically my average waiting time is about 8-12 minutes.
So, yes, if you want to play PB, dealer-spun tables may not be the most appropriate venue where to try this method.
The undeniable truth of the matter is that I can only play PB at roulette because the casinos that are within driving distance of my home all have airball machines.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 01, 07:42 AM 2018
I play PB only at AIRBALL machines (I live in the US).
It is not very practical to play this method at a regular dealer-spun table because sometimes the dealers take several minutes before making the next spin (on some very busy weekends, sometimes you have to wait 6-10 minutes between spins !).
In the airball machines that I play, the ball rolls every 30-45 seconds (depending on which machine and which manufacturer).
In addition, the display unit always shows the last 24 or so numbers. When I sit down at the terminal, there are, thus, already 24 numbers for me to start tracking with.
What I do is I ignore the 8 furthest back numbers (just my preference) and start my tracking of the R/B patterns with the last 16 numbers.
On average, the first trigger (the 7th pattern) appears around the 30 spin mark -- so basically my average waiting time is about 8-12 minutes.
So, yes, if you want to play PB, dealer-spun tables may not be the most appropriate venue where to try this method.
The undeniable truth of the matter is that I can only play PB at roulette because the casinos that are within driving distance of my home all have airball machines.
An addendum to my
above post:As I have said before elsewhere on this thread, I usually play PB at roulette about 4 times per casino visit (all at airball machines).
I play 2 games consecutively and then maybe 2 more games after a break of one or two hours.
I also flip from R/B to O/E to H/L and back to R/B for my triggers.
So let's say I have just finished playing one game with the R/B trigger.
For the second game, I switch over to O/E.
Now here is the thing that I do to drastically cut down on the tracking time.
As I mentioned in my previous post, the display units for the airball machines show the 24 previous numbers. In fact, they are the numbers I used for my first game using the R/B trigger.
So what I do is I again ignore the 8 furthest back numbers and I start my tracking of the O/E trigger using the last 16 numbers (that were used for the R/B game).
And again within 8-12 minutes, the 7th pattern shows up and I have my trigger for the O/E game.
So if you want to play multiple P/B games consecutively, this is one method that you can use to drastically cut down on the waiting time (of course, in order to use this method, you will have to keep flipping between R/B, O/E, and H/L as I do).
Thanks DoctorSudoko for your quick response.
It shows me that I understood the rules, because I was afraid that due to the time factor I didn't understand the game and use more time to play the game.
Now I found one casino online which is the Dragonara in Malta.
You can play at a real table via camera, you can also see the guests in Malta making their bets.
So it's almost like you would play in a BM casino but their spin rate is far better.
They spin around every 30 seconds, which is 2 games per minute.
I use this casino a lot, never had issues if you have your wins transfered to your account.
Oh, DOCTORSUDOKO please allow me 2 more questions:
Once the first session is over and hopefully you won, does tracking start anew?
You never take the already spun patterns to find another pattern more quickly.
By that I mean you could strike out the very first pattern which started the sequence, then you have six patterns left and then you just wait until you have seven unique patterns.
It's like using the marquee numbers when you started the session.
This would speed the game up a bit.
Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 01, 08:24 AM 2018
Oh, DOCTORSUDOKO please allow me 2 more questions:
You never take the already spun patterns to find another pattern more quickly.
By that I mean you could strike out the very first pattern which started the sequence, then you have six patterns left and then you just wait until you have seven unique patterns.
It's like using the marquee numbers when you started the session.
This would speed the game up a bit.
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No, I absolutely do NOT cancel out the first pattern just to speed up the tracking for the next game.
I would NOT recommend it.
Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 01, 08:24 AM 2018
Oh, DOCTORSUDOKO please allow me 2 more questions:
Once the first session is over and hopefully you won, does tracking start anew?
As I explained before, after the first game (using R/B) is over, I play the next game using O/E.
I use the previous 16 or so numbers from the R/B game for that purpose.
See my Reply # 3467 above.There is no problem doing that because R/B and O/E are different "PARAMETERS" or "DIMENSIONS."
Hey Doctor,
What progression are you using with the Pattern Breaker?
Quote from: SamNL on Sep 05, 07:31 AM 2018
Hey Doctor,
What progression are you using with the Pattern Breaker?
Hi Sam,
I started playing PB back in the fall of 2015 and for two years, I used the 1 2 2 progression.
Then toward the end of last year, I switched over to the 1 2 progression.
Initially, I had success with it.
But then I started seeing a lot of wins come on the third round (which I was missing out on, obviously).
So now I have reverted to the 1 2 2 progression.
I am still getting good results using it (just as I was getting previously).
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 06, 08:02 AM 2018
Hi Sam,
I started playing PB back in the fall of 2015 and for two years, I used the 1 2 2 progression.
Then toward the end of last year, I switched over to the 1 2 progression.
Initially, I had success with it.
But then I started seeing a lot of wins come on the third round (which I was missing out on, obviously).
So now I have reverted to the 1 2 2 progression.
I am still getting good results using it (just as I was getting previously).
In addition to the 1 2 2 progression, you can also give the 1 1 3 progression a try (always test extensively before risking any money).
Also, applying PB to baccarat will give you more profits compared to roulette -- that should not be a surprise given that any EC method (like PB) that works for roulette should give even better results when applied to baccarat because the tie outcome does not punish you as do the 0/00.
Here is a tracker that includes Pattern Breaker
Pattern Breaker by John Legend aka Fender1000
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 06, 08:09 AM 2018
In addition to the 1 2 2 progression, you can also give the 1 1 3 progression a try (always test extensively before risking any money).
Also, applying PB to baccarat will give you more profits compared to roulette -- that should not be a surprise given that any EC method (like PB) that works for roulette should give even better results when applied to baccarat because the tie outcome does not punish you as do the 0/00.
Dear Sir, Good Afternoon.
How are you?
How's it going, are you still using this system and same progression?
Love and Light,
Sugtips
Good evening all.
I am new and very curious.
Is there a manual for the Multi system tracker V.16
Quote from: Normy2000 on Apr 12, 12:57 PM 2011Hi all,
Fisrt i wanna thanks JL, ZigZag and Jon86 for this marvelous system! :thumbsup:
Now, there is my small contribution: an Excel tracker.
Very easy to use, no pen or keyboard needed! Just your mouse.
You need Microsoft Office to use it.
link:://:.normy2000.dyndns.org/images/Suivi Patern Breaker.xls (link:://:.normy2000.dyndns.org/images/SuiviPaternBreaker.xls)
Enjoy,
nOrMy2o0o
Link is dead. Can someone please repost the Excel file
How are people getting on with this? Not seen many posts with 200+ pages, hopefully people have had success with this?
Hmmm great question
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