To quote J Holloway you can't beat roulette flat betting,he says to go and play the horses if you want to do that ,and i think this is true,its all about cycles thats it thats all.
Yes I agree about roulette.
Any person that has tested a lot in his life and has gained a solid knowledge in roulette knows that roulette can t be beaten because he has seen the negative nature of it.
But here is a roulette forum and we are trying to do our best....so threads like this aren t ok
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 09, 05:20 PM 2012
Yes I agree about roulette.
Any person that has tested a lot in his life and has gained a solid knowledge in roulette knows that roulette can t be beaten because he has seen the negative nature of it.
But here is a roulette forum and we are trying to do our best....so threads like this aren t ok
And why are they not ok? every one has his own oppion.
Yes man sure everyone has his opinion.
And a lot of guys (clever ones) in here knows that roulette van t be beaten....but they are here and trying to do the impossible(hopes) .
So by be here and saying that roulette can t be beaten , is a contradiction from its own.....
If u like to think that roulette can t be beaten and u have no more mood to find a winning system , then you are free to leave.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 09, 05:28 PM 2012
Yes man sure everyone has his opinion.
And a lot of guys (clever ones) in here knows that roulette van t be beaten....but they are here and trying to do the impossible(hopes) .
So by be here and saying that roulette can t be beaten , is a contradiction from its own.....
If u like to think that roulette can t be beaten and You have no more mood to find a winning system , then you are free to leave.
MOP you have a problem reading, because if your read correctly,i said you can't beat roulette FLAT BETTING,TAKE A PILL AND CHILL.YOUR GETTING ON NERVES YOU IDIOT.
If we can t win it flat betting , then we can t with progression either. so who is the unintelligent here?
You have a lottttttttttttttttttttt to learn about roulette.
yes without a good strategy you cant win but if you study a little bit more then just black and red H M L and col 1 2 and 3 you will know that there are some tricks that can make you a consistent winner .. i m referring to live roulette if you play against the computer than yes you cant win it
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 09, 05:40 PM 2012
If we can t win it flat betting , then we can t with progression either. so who is the unintelligent here?
You have a lottttttttttttttttttttt to learn about roulette.
Its because you have no clue about roulette thats why you lose all time i dont lose even with progression oh yes let me teach you something,not explosive proggression do you no what that is,you should look that up ,why are here you have no inttentions of playing roulette everything loses in your eyes ,so take up baby sitting.
LOL
if you say cannot be beaten flat bet you have to prove that is not possible
QuoteAny person that has tested a lot in his life and has gained a solid knowledge in roulette knows that roulette can t be beaten because he has seen the negative nature of it.
But here is a roulette forum and we are trying to do our best....so threads like this aren t ok
BULL, BULL, BULL. Sorry its not directed at you pockets - it is at everyone who actually believes roulette is not beatable. Sure if you use systems that go about it all the wrong way, you will fail, fail, and fail. Does it mean roulette is plain a negative game?
The truth has all been explained so clearly, and many people choose to ignore it. Mainly because they are looking for some magical easy way to beat roulette. In fact most people dont even play roulette.... they play slot machines with cool roulette animations and thing THAT is roulette, then wonder why they cant beat it. You can only beat real wheels, unless you have a way to predict rng outcomes. The best you will get is hybridroulettecomputer.com but I don't sell them anymore anyway, and don't sell any computers for some time. Next best are non-electronic methods, similar to vb although I don't like vb for many reasons - there are much better methods. And they don't rely on wheel bias or defects.
Back track every little variable from the ball landing to when it is released. Then look at what happens over the long term. Then model the relationship between the variables and spin outcomes. Then model the relationship between variables. Put it all together and gee, you can predict, with reasonable accuracy, where a silly little ball will land. It is sincerely not a big achievement.
thanks steve..i do not know about computers and vb.......but can be beaten impossible things do not exist
Yes Steve I know this and for sure roulette can be beaten long run with vb and bias.
BUT in this forum , as You know , we speak mostly about systems that don't include the physics of the wheel, and this is why I said that..i was referring to every way except Advantage-play.
I have a great understanding in VB and I was also a successful vb player in the old days were the wheels were different...now i can t find the needed conditions so that s why i have stop playing and i am fooling around trying to make the impossible(find a way to win without Advantage-play ).
Call it a hobby , call it a silly hope....
As for the *****Back track every little variable from the ball landing to when it is released. Then look at what happens over the long term. Then model the relationship between the variables and spin outcomes. Then model the relationship between variables. Put it all together and gee, you can predict, with reasonable accuracy, where a silly little ball will land. It is sincerely not a big achievement***** that u said , i don't think its a correct way to do it , simply because there a lot of factors as rotor speed, DDs , different revolutions in the spins and scatter , that makes what you said a random game(-2.7)....
There are a lot of players in my casino ,mostly older people , that are doing what u say and they mostly lose.
Quotewe speak mostly about systems that don't include the physics of the wheel, and this is why I said that..i was referring to every way except Advantage-play.
To be perfectly accurate, it is not that advantage play is the only way to beat roulette. It is that you cannot beat roulette without increasing accuracy of predictions. Why is explained as clearly as I can make it at link:://:.genuinewinner.com/truth.html (link:://:.genuinewinner.com/truth.html)
An advantage player will tell a system player all the time 1 + 1 does not = 5. And thats why systems dont work. They are just saying what the above page says, but most system players dont understand ikt, or care to try and understand it. the system player's reaction is "oh those darn advantage players are snobs, telling everyone THEIR way is the best.... they are not gods like they think". Meanwhile the AP is saying "geez when will those dopey system players ever learn if you dont increase accuracy of predictions, you CANNOT escape the unfair payouts (house edge)... and progression is nothing more than different size bets on different spins.... with the same unfair payout whether they win or lose."
I see both sides. We were all "system" players once. I am say all this until I'm blue in the face, and still 90% of people will look at me and go "huh??". If you read someone's biography and learn from their mistakes, it is like living another life of lessons". FFS, everyone please understand WHY systems fail and wtf I'm talking about. Only then will the forums stop going around and around in circles.
Understand WHY 99% of approaches are all the same thing repacked a different way, then you will understand what you must focus on, which is......
Instead of developing "systems", focus on ways to increase the accuracy of predictions. When you achieve increased accuracy, THEN focus on your system.QuoteI have a great understanding in VB and I was also a successful vb player in the old days were the wheels were different...now i can t find the needed conditions so that s why i have stop playing and i am fooling around trying to make the impossible(find a way to win without Advantage-play ).
This is because you arent considering all the variables and their effects. If you just look at the reference number with about X revolutions to go, then the ball outcome, its not enough for most modern wheels. You need more. But that "more" is too much without a good computer, so I find VB is a waste of time in most cases, as are simplistic computers because its the same thing as vb. You can do much better with bets before ball release, but not on every wheel. More than enough wheels.
QuoteCall it a hobby , call it a silly hope....
Yes but the thing is Understand that advantage play is just another term for physics. Physics is the study of everything and to refute or try to avoid basic universal laws is like saying you aren't Interested in increasing the accuracy of predictions, but that's exactly what you need. Believe me, I understand the hobby aspect, but it is a bit like masturbation without the payoff.
Regarding backtracking, if you do it incorrectly of course you will not understand cause and effect. Any incorrect understanding will of course lead to failure. Everything is cause-and-effect.
I wasn't aware that self-pleasure is a censored word. Master-bation that is. I may need to change that. I use voice recognition software now and thought it was censoring my potty mouth.
The diner not diner vagina that someone that's the one I said thank you stupid software
if u think You have found a more flexible way to predict than VB and that its OK with the nowdays conditions then good for you....
But I personally don't believe that anything different than VB is better .....and even if there is something that it isn t VB , the accuracy (advantage) would be so low that it will still rely on luck....
But if You have found something strong then good for ya....its just not my way of playing anymore...
And all about "increase the accuracy of predictions" is very familiar to me because as i said i have done it 1st hand.
I'll clarify the following: if done correctly with every variable possible, VB is as accurate as you can get. But the problem with VB is when you use all available data, it becomes impossible to do without electronic devices. That is why the most accurate can possibly get with a properly designed Roulette computer. The next best is a god-like vb Player, with which skills beyond imagination. Next best is a full analysis with the intention of Betting before the wheel is Spun.
Every method I teach and use is ballistic in nature.
As for system play being your choice, I'm just saying that it is literally impossible to win in the long term unless you first increase the accuracy of your predictions. The exception is if you are beyond lucky
"""As for system play being your choice, I'm just saying that it is literally impossible to win in the long term"""
yes mate sure. and this is why i am testing everything.....
Steve, is your lite roulette computer is better then VB, and why, or why not? (i believe that uber and hybrid yes, but they are too much for my standard)
QuoteSteve, is your lite roulette computer is better then VB, and why, or why not?
The lite RC is pretty much exactly the same accuracy as a VB player that uses a method that calculates where the rotor will be when the ball is in the last revolution. It doesn't calculate difference in ball bounce with different rotor speeds - only rotor position.
My basic computer uses the typical vb approach, but does not take rotor speed and end position into account. So it is exactly the same accuracy as most vb players.
The uber and hybrid do much more, including calculating scatter based on different rotor speeds, finding ball fall points where scatter is minimal, adjusting for ball bounce on different rotor speeds in combination with the ball fall points and more. Really they do everything possible. They can't get more accurate. They can only be easier to use and that is where development is going.
footnote: the basic computer is similar to mark howe's "radical" computer. It is very basic nonsense. I think he created that computer because his customers made his other computers available for free (hardware cant be downloaded like software, so he whipped up a microprocessor thumper and called it the best computer ever). Howe says his radical computer does air pressure adjustments, that its the best computer etc. He is absolutely full of it that clown. Forester's ffa is very similar to my lite computer.
It is possible to win a lot on a game as roulette. There are many who had won. It is however not possible to play so you win 100%. The reason i do not test my methods millions times is I know it will not pas, and some tests has been done by others 100 years ago. Everything has risks, who simulate the driving to work in a computer millions of time, before they are sure the will drive safe. Why should just a game of all things in the world be without risk, everything else has. Looking for STD may work, but takes a lot of effort, and here is a situation a computer can be handy.
In the game people use to be carefully and calculate risks then on plus, but go mad to very fast catch up a loss.
Last week I went up from a bankroll of 200000 units to 1800000 units, a lot of play, but steady up.
A few times risking a lot to recover, but it was never close to my start balance.
(by the way that made me look into this forum). The units is 1 cent, but still its sometimes 5000 and more on the table.
I have been checking German forums before and found some tips , and Herr Winkel I see is here sometimes.
You find tables online with fair odds, so I do not find reason to play with zeros online.
The main method I use, is I do not think a sleeping number is to trust, I can do it with doz, and cols, but not numbers. Numbers repeat, and i try to use that.
I use a similar way as Herr Winkle use with streets, fib until you win. He use sleeping streets, but I select 5 numbers with has shown about 10 spins back. Play it on a table with one more balls than I got. That means the hitting is more often, and even if it needs more hit, they just come more and give units for the next bet. I do changes methods, as the wheel changes the outcomes.
Methods with low risks, use to gain too low for recovering any loss. There are exceptions, like GUETTING progression. Low risk to loose much, but can take time to obtain a good streak. Every bust martingaler should regrett not have use this progression.
The best way to keep a good winning, is to play less until you spent it on other things than game.
So you can beat the wheel, and the wheel can beat you, as in all other way, we take match by match. In the long run we are all dead anyhow. A good winning make at least the day!