I just wondered if you heard of that or experienced it yourself.
I was playing on Dublinbet starting yesterday with Ignatius 123 method. It was with 50 cents minimum.
By the end I was at about 404 Euros. That's nice I thought.....
Today I logged in and there was a change in minimum of 1 Euro and max 10 Euro ?!?
I logged out and 5 minutes later I said to myself, lets play with 1 Euro, what the heck....
It went up to about 700 euros !!! That would make Ignatius proud ;)
Then a lady came to the croupier and talked something...
OK, I thought that's nothing special.... But after 20 or so seconds the resolution of the Table went down about 40%
Even the screen of the live croupier. To me it looked like a distortion filter over the screen. Paranoia ?!? I, don't know.
But what I know , from then on I didn't win one game !!! Did they adapt to the method ?!? Fell back to 400 where I then quit... There were 7 games where there where 7-9 losses before a hit !!
To me that looks weired......
Going to have a nother go tonight and see what happens.....
Ray
That's great. But hey, try my new tracker/strategy. (only for testing) Losing streaks are far less. I'm doing spins now to see if a long losing streak will happen (That haven't happened YET) Come with results soon.
IF this is true, (no long losing streaks) this is a much better wheel strategy.
I cannot recommend playing that 123 move-strategy, I lost a lot (real money). Long losing streaks happen. Better quit while you're ahead.
Cheers
Since a week Dublinbet did change there wheel settings, last week caputered nbrs are way different as from weeks before.
Now they also changed the minimum bets and possible progression steps, probably to much winners here...
Quotelast week caputered nbrs are way different as from weeks before
In what way? how are you measuring this fact?
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 05, 08:35 AM 2013
Did they adapt to the method ?!?
Adapted to what dear Ray? Losing method to lose even more?? :'(
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Feb 05, 08:56 AM 2013
Since a week Dublinbet did change there wheel settings, last week caputered nbrs are way different as from weeks before.
In what way different mate? Is it maybe dealer signature you were improperly trying? >:D
Drazen
I have DB data for last 2 months, that is after they changed the vilt of the table (moved the wheels)
I have 10 strategy in my bot based on observations on DB.
We where also testing the Wheel dozen strategy.
Start of last week, 2 days in the morning they where hooking up laptops to the wheels and doing some test...
(could be recognition software... for the online play)
But as from that day.. dozen wheel start to fail and also my other strategies..
Could be paranoia... but that they now also changed the bet values and max bets... maybe all to bit coincidence...
Mine has been dropped to .10
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 05, 09:38 AM 2013
Mine has been dropped to .10
true but also the maximum bets has been dropped
are the bet spreads the same in real money mode?
they were already ridiculous before, now they're even more so.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Feb 05, 09:30 AM 2013
I have DB data for last 2 months, that is after they changed the vilt of the table (moved the wheels)
I have 10 strategy in my bot based on observations on DB.
We where also testing the Wheel dozen strategy.
Start of last week, 2 days in the morning they where hooking up laptops to the wheels and doing some test...
(could be recognition software... for the online play)
But as from that day.. dozen wheel start to fail and also my other strategies..
Could be paranoia... but that they now also changed the bet values and max bets... maybe all to bit coincidence...
It is wrong to observe and make system by spins from some specific wheel becasue they all produce RANDOM. Roulette wheel is just tool for making RANDOM. That was its real purpose, studying random, before the game.
It is also unnecessary to test anything that way you do and also painfully slow. You have a lot of past spins from many casinos to check on your system. You have also random.org where you have TRNG (true RNG-independant, physical randomness from athmosphere noise) so you can get true random numbers from there too (as much as you want basicaly)
All systems must pass enough number of placed bets to confirm in the longterm your strategy works. We are talking here over hundreds of thousands and even more.
That fail of all your systems since they changed the wheels is pure "coincidence" (to you). They would fail anyhow.
There is no "system" that wins this game with the way it is setted in the casinos. That is mathematical fact. All systems would won actualy with enough resources, but all of players are stopped to use them at some point (even if they could have them) with table limits.
Everything in roulette equals in the longterm, but it doesn't have to in the short term.
The reason why you lose is that at some point you can't progressivly follow anymore losses by betting against them. You are stopped by table limits.
All those darn losses are coming from one characteristic of randomness (no matter what you play you will encounter them more then table limits will allow you to overcome it with progression [if playing continuosly and without entering only at statisticaly slight better points] ) called VARIANCE. Maximum you will encounter in roulette is slight over 5 STD-s for outside chances and 3.0 std covers 99.7% of sessions. For dozens is lower around 4.5 STD and so on.. Outside bets have biggest variance of all bets in roulette.
But thing is that varinace has its limits so we can say randomness in roulette has its limits. True.
Roulette spins are independant if observed one by one, but in larger sequences not at all. They must obey to laws of nature, laws of randomness and probability...
Cheers
Drazen
Also last few days the connect to the casino is lost many times, other guys have the same issue?
The Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo roulette story (1) (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsEPkStpE4#)
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Feb 05, 09:30 AM 2013
Start of last week, 2 days in the morning they where hooking up laptops to the wheels and doing some test...
(could be recognition software... for the online play)
It is not recognition software. That is bulls sh--you know.. They don't need that becasue there is no system that will win so simple and by itself. And video quality is far too bad for any kind of recogniton software which will work on calculating physical parameters.
What they are doing is excatly because of what you saw in video above which ignatus showed. That is the only thing which casinos are afraid. Advantage play. They are countermeasuring BIAS and some other Advantage-play methods doing with what they do. And what they do with those laptops and often wheel changing?
They are running very stringent statistical and phyisical measures, which can signal existing physical BIAS on the wheel such as wheel tilt, detoriation of the material on the spinning track, damage of any kind in the pockets etc..
Wheel has to be perfectly balanced, maintaned, and supervised that is producing nothing but random.
Newer wheels are made with more shallow pockets and balls are much lighter then in the past for example so you will hardly see anywhere now hammering ball to the drop point, but ball bouncing like ping pong ball. Which will pretty much make your life harder when you try to spot ball bouncing pattern, just one of the parameters you will need if you want to get an edge using some Advantage-play methods.
Best
Drazen
jebet who use the same feed from dublin as dublinbet have a spread of #.50 - #20 on straight up numbers. that's much better.
Back-A-Rat is a dime also
The new 1 to 10 spread is not a big change. All they did was eliminate the first .50 bet.
You can still bet 1.5, 2, 2.5, etc all the way to 10.
You know it only takes a few moments to close the current wheel browser and log back on to the same wheel at the next level of progression? You can do this across the three different table spreads for the same wheel. So the overall spread for DB is now .10 to 25, and you can play half units from 1 to 25.
That's a good spread if you need it. Not good for bots though.
How come I can't find a .10c table on Dublinbet?
Hi Azim,
No idea why you can't. Its in the usual place for picking a table. See attachment.
EDIT* Dunno how I managed to do it twice ???
Thanks.. I will try again.
I had no trouble finding it.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 05, 08:43 AM 2013
That's great. But hey, try my new tracker/strategy. (only for testing) Losing streaks are far less. I'm doing spins now to see if a long losing streak will happen (That haven't happened YET) Come with results soon.
IF this is true, (no long losing streaks) this is a much better wheel strategy.
I cannot recommend playing that 123 move-strategy, I lost a lot (real money). Long losing streaks happen. Better quit while you're ahead.
Cheers
hahahaha!
A bit of advice...
Just because you have no control doesn't make this a bad strategy. The wheel movement for YOU will do the same. Learn to play with control and you can make pretty much ANY strategy work.
At least one good thing is that you are looking to beat the wheel using short term logic. We all know that long term nothing can beat the wheel so you have to play short term with a strategy that suits that current situation.
Just for the record your 123 move results for me...
5685 Spins (96hrs)
$362 Profit ($3.77ph)
Biggest losing streak was 18 in a row and had many other big number losses in a row but still come out ahead using only flat betting.
I'll come join the band wagon on the movement strategy and see if there is a way to make a profit from that too.
TwoCatSam seems to be the closest to this with his super duper tracker.
Quote from: DuffMiver on Feb 09, 04:02 AM 2013
Just for the record your 123 move results for me...
5685 Spins (96hrs)
$362 Profit ($3.77ph)
What's the base unit?
Quote from: DuffMiver on Feb 09, 04:02 AM 2013
hahahaha!
A bit of advice...
Just because you have no control doesn't make this a bad strategy. The wheel movement for YOU will do the same. Learn to play with control and you can make pretty much ANY strategy work.
At least one good thing is that you are looking to beat the wheel using short term logic. We all know that long term nothing can beat the wheel so you have to play short term with a strategy that suits that current situation.
Just for the record your 123 move results for me...
5685 Spins (96hrs)
$362 Profit ($3.77ph)
Biggest losing streak was 18 in a row and had many other big number losses in a row but still come out ahead using only flat betting.,
I'll come join the band wagon on the movement strategy and see if there is a way to make a profit from that too.
TwoCatSam seems to be the closest to this with his super duper tracker.
That's great. :)
Well, I study the wheel movements, But i think that tracker is not complete why? First clockwise and anticlockwise doesn't matter. Second, The distance is calculated wrong,(0-36) and it runs each spin clockwise then anticlockwise then back to clockwise it makes no sense.
Distance should be calculated from 0-18. That is always the shortest distance between two spins.
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 09, 05:02 AM 2013
First clockwise and anticlockwise doesn't matter.
Not sure that people in the know will agree with you on the above statement. :o
O0
Quote from: Drazen on Feb 05, 12:03 PM 2013
It is wrong to observe and make system by spins from some specific wheel becasue they all produce RANDOM. Roulette wheel is just tool for making RANDOM. That was its real purpose, studying random, before the game.
It is also unnecessary to test anything that way you do and also painfully slow. You have a lot of past spins from many casinos to check on your system. You have also random.org where you have TRNG (true RNG-independant, physical randomness from athmosphere noise) so you can get true random numbers from there too (as much as you want basicaly)
All systems must pass enough number of placed bets to confirm in the longterm your strategy works. We are talking here over hundreds of thousands and even more.
That fail of all your systems since they changed the wheels is pure "coincidence" (to you). They would fail anyhow.
There is no "system" that wins this game with the way it is setted in the casinos. That is mathematical fact. All systems would won actualy with enough resources, but all of players are stopped to use them at some point (even if they could have them) with table limits.
Everything in roulette equals in the longterm, but it doesn't have to in the short term.
The reason why you lose is that at some point you can't progressivly follow anymore losses by betting against them. You are stopped by table limits.
All those darn losses are coming from one characteristic of randomness (no matter what you play you will encounter them more then table limits will allow you to overcome it with progression [if playing continuosly and without entering only at statisticaly slight better points] ) called VARIANCE. Maximum you will encounter in roulette is slight over 5 STD-s for outside chances and 3.0 std covers 99.7% of sessions. For dozens is lower around 4.5 STD and so on.. Outside bets have biggest variance of all bets in roulette.
But thing is that varinace has its limits so we can say randomness in roulette has its limits. True.
Roulette spins are independant if observed one by one, but in larger sequences not at all. They must obey to laws of nature, laws of randomness and probability...
Cheers
Drazen
Hello Drazen,
No problems at this end what concerning the Dealers Sgn.
Cheers mate
John Rotterdam
Quote from: Drazen on Feb 05, 12:03 PM 2013
It is wrong to observe and make system by spins from some specific wheel becasue they all produce RANDOM. Roulette wheel is just tool for making RANDOM. That was its real purpose, studying random, before the game.
It is also unnecessary to test anything that way you do and also painfully slow. You have a lot of past spins from many casinos to check on your system. You have also random.org where you have TRNG (true RNG-independant, physical randomness from athmosphere noise) so you can get true random numbers from there too (as much as you want basicaly)
All systems must pass enough number of placed bets to confirm in the longterm your strategy works. We are talking here over hundreds of thousands and even more.
That fail of all your systems since they changed the wheels is pure "coincidence" (to you). They would fail anyhow.
There is no "system" that wins this game with the way it is setted in the casinos. That is mathematical fact. All systems would won actualy with enough resources, but all of players are stopped to use them at some point (even if they could have them) with table limits.
Everything in roulette equals in the longterm, but it doesn't have to in the short term.
The reason why you lose is that at some point you can't progressivly follow anymore losses by betting against them. You are stopped by table limits.
All those darn losses are coming from one characteristic of randomness (no matter what you play you will encounter them more then table limits will allow you to overcome it with progression [if playing continuosly and without entering only at statisticaly slight better points] ) called VARIANCE. Maximum you will encounter in roulette is slight over 5 STD-s for outside chances and 3.0 std covers 99.7% of sessions. For dozens is lower around 4.5 STD and so on.. Outside bets have biggest variance of all bets in roulette.
But thing is that varinace has its limits so we can say randomness in roulette has its limits. True.
Roulette spins are independant if observed one by one, but in larger sequences not at all. They must obey to laws of nature, laws of randomness and probability...
Cheers
Drazen
Dear Drazen some more to proof that DS is no luck just technique
Previous pic. was J3 , I show you J1 & J2 as well , it shows hit after hit ....follow the Marque.
Bye for now.
John Rotterdam
Quote from: Drazen on Feb 05, 12:03 PM 2013
It is wrong to observe and make system by spins from some specific wheel becasue they all produce RANDOM. Roulette wheel is just tool for making RANDOM. That was its real purpose, studying random, before the game.
It is also unnecessary to test anything that way you do and also painfully slow. You have a lot of past spins from many casinos to check on your system. You have also random.org where you have TRNG (true RNG-independant, physical randomness from athmosphere noise) so you can get true random numbers from there too (as much as you want basicaly)
All systems must pass enough number of placed bets to confirm in the longterm your strategy works. We are talking here over hundreds of thousands and even more.
That fail of all your systems since they changed the wheels is pure "coincidence" (to you). They would fail anyhow.
There is no "system" that wins this game with the way it is setted in the casinos. That is mathematical fact. All systems would won actualy with enough resources, but all of players are stopped to use them at some point (even if they could have them) with table limits.
Everything in roulette equals in the longterm, but it doesn't have to in the short term.
The reason why you lose is that at some point you can't progressivly follow anymore losses by betting against them. You are stopped by table limits.
All those darn losses are coming from one characteristic of randomness (no matter what you play you will encounter them more then table limits will allow you to overcome it with progression [if playing continuosly and without entering only at statisticaly slight better points] ) called VARIANCE. Maximum you will encounter in roulette is slight over 5 STD-s for outside chances and 3.0 std covers 99.7% of sessions. For dozens is lower around 4.5 STD and so on.. Outside bets have biggest variance of all bets in roulette.
But thing is that varinace has its limits so we can say randomness in roulette has its limits. True.
Roulette spins are independant if observed one by one, but in larger sequences not at all. They must obey to laws of nature, laws of randomness and probability...
Cheers
Drazen
And the last one Drazen.
Read them as J1,J2,J3
Have a nice weekend
John Rotterdam
Thanks John. I dont doubt at all this still works for you :thumbsup: . But I meant on true DS, this is a bit different then what you do.
Anyway thanks for the advices. I ll try it.
Cheers
Drazen
I need help O0
Do you know after how many minutes dealers change at dublinbet?
Thanks
Quote from: Skakus on Feb 09, 04:41 AM 2013
What's the base unit?
10 cents Mate.
Small update I sometimes split the wheel into 6 or more sectors depending on the dealer. Also I have been testing dynamic sectors. Both off which I'm still testing. Not enough spins to post anything concret as yet.
As from now, probably dublinbet table 1will produce again different results.
The wheel was manual adjusted with a level by pit boss...
Ah, the old leveling of the wheel.
First, how does the wheel become unlevel. Does the table beneath it sink and little on one side?
I'm pretty good at physics. I'd love an explanation of how an unlevel wheel affects the outcome.
TwoCat
I dont know why it became unlevel..
but the way he adjusted, tells me its just placed very unstable..
4
But if it was off half a bubble, do you think it would matter?
Sam