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Started by ll l ll l lll ll, Jul 19, 01:43 PM 2011

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marivo

Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 20, 04:33 PM 2011

No.  That is why FIRST you must look at the first 3 spins.  There will always be a dozen that has shown twice unless you get ABC.  ONLY if you get ABC in the first three spins, then the 4th spin is the tie breaker and the "most dominant" dozen. 

As far as going past 3-4 spins looking for a dominant dozen, such as 5 or 7 spins deep....i've tried it and it does not work nearly as well.  Try it for yourself and you will see.  Roulette changes fast and by focusing on the first dozen to appear twice, you are keeping just one step behind it.


So if we get AA we start betting A, right? We do not have to wait 3 spins at least, right?

Kattila

Barcode , have you tryed this bet selection but with positive progression?
at W +1 / at 3 Ls -1,  and after two cosecutive 3LLLs stop and wait one virtual W,
then start again.
Reset to 1 unit when win enough( Ex: + 5units new win).
Also can reset to 1u after recover from hole.

D= dominant

NR/doz


36  3
27  3
18  2   D is doz 3, bet 1u
36  3  w  +2,  bet 2u on d3
29  3  w  +6,  bet 1u/reset (still bet on d3...is dominant)
1    1   L  +5,  bet 1u/d3
28  3  w  +7,   bet 2u/d3
30  3  w  +11, bet 1u/d3  reset
15  2  L  +10,  bet 1u/d3
17  2  L  +9    wait
33  3  D is again d3 bet 1u
21  2  L  +8,   bet 1u/d2 (D is d2 now)
13  2  w +10,  bet 2u/d2
15  2  w +14,  bet 1u/d2  reset
33  3  L  +13,  bet 1u/d2
22  2  w +15,  bet 2u/d2
33  3  L  +13   bet 2u/d2 ( d2 still D in the last 5 spins)
15  2  w +17   bet 3u/d2
12  1  L  +14   bet 3u/d2
1    1  L  +11   bet 3u/d1
36  3  L  +8     2u/d1
9    1  w +10   3u/d1
2    1  w +16   1u/d1  reset
35  3  L  +15   1u/d1
33  3  L  +14   1u/d3
7    1  L  +13   1u/d1
18  2  L  +12   1u/d3
33  3  w +14   2u/d3
0    -  L  +12   wait
14  2   bet 2u/d2
30  3  L  +10   2u/d3
10  1  L  +8     wait
7    1  bet 2u/d1
36  3  L  +6     wait
7    1  bet 1u/d1
26  3  L  +5    1u/d1
18  2  L  +4    1u/d3
25  3  w  +6   2u/d3
23  2  L  +4    wait
6   1  bet 2u/d2
8   1  L  +2     2u/d1
13  2 L   0      wait
29  3  bet  1u/d1
29  3  L -1      1u/d3
15  2  L -2      wait
28  3  bet 1u/d3
32  3  w  0     2u/d3
23  2  L  -2    2u/d3
30  3  w  +2   3u/d3
25  3  w  +6   4u/d3
30  3  w  +14  1u/d3  reset
27  3  w  +13  2u/d3
6   1  L  +11   2u/d3
25  3  w +15   3u/d3
15  2  L  +12   3u/d3
33  3  w +18   1u/d3  reset
0   -   L  +17   wait
21  2  bet 1u/d2
30  3  L  +16    1u/d3
3   1  L  +15     wait
18  2  bet 1u/d2
1   1  L  +14     1u/d1
4   1  w  +16    2u/d1
9   1  w  +20    3u/d1
11  1 w  +26     1u/d1  reset
29  3  L  +25 
2    ans so on.........
28
2
19
35
14
6
29
18
19
23
14
8
31
17
21

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: marivo on Jul 21, 08:15 AM 2011

So if we get AA we start betting A, right? We do not have to wait 3 spins at least, right?

Correct.

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: Kattila on Jul 21, 10:35 AM 2011
Barcode , have you tryed this bet selection but with positive progression?
at W +1 / at 3 Ls -1,  and after two cosecutive 3LLLs stop and wait one virtual W,
then start again.
Reset to 1 unit when win enough( Ex: + 5units new win).
Also can reset to 1u after recover from hole.

D= dominant

NR/doz


36  3
27  3
18  2   D is doz 3, bet 1u
36  3  w  +2,  bet 2u on d3
29  3  w  +6,  bet 1u/reset (still bet on d3...is dominant)
1    1   L  +5,  bet 1u/d3
28  3  w  +7,   bet 2u/d3
30  3  w  +11, bet 1u/d3  reset
15  2  L  +10,  bet 1u/d3
17  2  L  +9    wait
33  3  D is again d3 bet 1u
21  2  L  +8,   bet 1u/d2 (D is d2 now)
13  2  w +10,  bet 2u/d2
15  2  w +14,  bet 1u/d2  reset
33  3  L  +13,  bet 1u/d2
22  2  w +15,  bet 2u/d2
33  3  L  +13   bet 2u/d2 ( d2 still D in the last 5 spins)
15  2  w +17   bet 3u/d2
12  1  L  +14   bet 3u/d2
1    1  L  +11   bet 3u/d1
36  3  L  +8     2u/d1
9    1  w +10   3u/d1
2    1  w +16   1u/d1  reset
35  3  L  +15   1u/d1
33  3  L  +14   1u/d3
7    1  L  +13   1u/d1
18  2  L  +12   1u/d3
33  3  w +14   2u/d3
0    -  L  +12   wait
14  2   bet 2u/d2
30  3  L  +10   2u/d3
10  1  L  +8     wait
7    1  bet 2u/d1
36  3  L  +6     wait
7    1  bet 1u/d1
26  3  L  +5    1u/d1
18  2  L  +4    1u/d3
25  3  w  +6   2u/d3
23  2  L  +4    wait
6   1  bet 2u/d2
8   1  L  +2     2u/d1
13  2 L   0      wait
29  3  bet  1u/d1
29  3  L -1      1u/d3
15  2  L -2      wait
28  3  bet 1u/d3
32  3  w  0     2u/d3
23  2  L  -2    2u/d3
30  3  w  +2   3u/d3
25  3  w  +6   4u/d3
30  3  w  +14  1u/d3  reset
27  3  w  +13  2u/d3
6   1  L  +11   2u/d3
25  3  w +15   3u/d3
15  2  L  +12   3u/d3
33  3  w +18   1u/d3  reset
0   -   L  +17   wait
21  2  bet 1u/d2
30  3  L  +16    1u/d3
3   1  L  +15     wait
18  2  bet 1u/d2
1   1  L  +14     1u/d1
4   1  w  +16    2u/d1
9   1  w  +20    3u/d1
11  1 w  +26     1u/d1  reset
29  3  L  +25 
2    ans so on.........
28
2
19
35
14
6
29
18
19
23
14
8
31
17
21

I've played around with it a few ways with positive and negative progressions.  Both work very well.  This bet selection is solid enough that more times than not, it wins flat betting.

Just completed another session +15 after 55 spins.  Never got past 3a.

trebor

I take it "So far in 900+ spins it has not lost" means not gone beyond 3c.

If it did would you take the 54 point loss and restart at 1a? 

Robert

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: trebor on Jul 21, 03:28 PM 2011
I take it "So far in 900+ spins it has not lost" means not gone beyond 3c.

If it did would you take the 54 point loss and restart at 1a? 

Robert
Yes, now in over 1300 spins, I have not gone past 3b.  In those 1300 spins, I could have stopped over probably close to 500+ separate times and ended while in profit.  Even if I'm in profit +3 units at any point, in a real world casino, that is enough for me to call it a day if i'm playing with $500+ chips.

That is what the purpose of this thread is for, to see how far I can take it.  That's why I put it in the testing zone.  If for example after 100,000 spins, or after 1,000-100 spin games it has not gone past 3c in the progression, then I will be fairly confident going into the casino with a 4(abc) step progression, that I know will win on a regular basis.  The possibilities are huge.  I wouldn't mind going as high as a 9 (abc) step progression if I know I am guaranteed to win every session. 

That is the whole point of keeping the units low.  Even if I had to go as high as a "9-step progression," betting 9 units on a spin is nothing!  If my base unit bet is $500, then betting 9 units, if called for is $4,500...........just below the $5k outside betting limit for many tables in Vegas.

chrisbis

Has superman put into a bot yet? (this idea i mean)

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 21, 03:56 PM 2011
Has superman put into a bot yet? (this idea I mean)

Not that I know of?

superman

QuoteHas superman put into a bot yet?

Yes but I haven't done the progression part yet, been busy with paid work, will get to it at some point.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: superman on Jul 21, 04:14 PM 2011

Yes but I haven't done the progression part yet, been busy with paid work, will get to it at some point.

If you do it with the progression it is crucial that if 1 out of 3 hit in a set, you do NOT move up in the progression.  You stay right where you are and play the "new" most dominant dozen.  Test it to see what is the highest you can take it as far as a progression past 3(abc).  Test it also where if you ever reach a "new high" in profit, you automatically reset back to the begining at 1 unit (1 abc).

londonboy85

Hi Barcode, thanks for posting this amazing system. Would you be able to show me how you would bet from the list of numbers:

6
1
22
11
25
14
36
17
17
10
18
1
10
22
16
33

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: londonboy85 on Jul 21, 05:23 PM 2011
Hi Barcode, thanks for posting this amazing system. Would you be able to show me how you would bet from the list of numbers:

6
1
22
11
25
14
36
17
17
10
18
1
10
22
16
33

I will play as if 33,16,22 are the most recent numbers spun and work my way down.

33 D3
16 D2
22 D2...here D2 qualifies as "most dominant dozen" b/c it is the first to have appeared twice.
-D2 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1a
10 D1 = Lost -1
1  D1 = Lost -1
18 D2 = won +2 (broke even on that set.  Now play new "dominant dozen for 3 more spins)
-D1 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1a
10 D1 = won +2
17 D2 = lost - 1
17 D2 = lost -1 (broke even again on that set.)
-D2 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1a)
36 D3 = lost -1
14 D2 = won +2
25 D3 = lost -1 (broke even again on that set.)
-D3 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1a)
11 D1 = lost -1
22 D2 = lost -1
1  D1 = lost -1 (lost that set, b/c all 3 lost.  Now move up in the progression to 1b.
-D1 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1b)
6  D1 = win +2

etc...

Notice in all that time, I didn't get one winning set (which is rare) and i'm still only on 1b of the progression, betting only 1 unit per spin!  When the winning sets come, they come rapidly, sometimes as many as 5,6,7 in a row.  Getting 1 win out of 3 and breaking even on a set is actually a good thing, we would much rather break even then lose and we only need 1 out of 3 wins on the dozens to break even b/c they pay 2 to 1.  I'll break even on these mini sets all day long, think of it as you are just waiting for the winning sets to come.

chrisbis

What happens, if you play (after Identifying the Dominant Dozen), for three spins on the first go, but on the next series, you just play for twp spins, and re-track the Dozen Dominance?


So it would be:-
Find Dom Dozen, Play for 3 spins, Find New Dom Doz, play for 2 spins, Find Dom Doz, Play for 3 spins...


and alternate all along like that.


Have you tried?

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 21, 05:48 PM 2011
What happens, if you play (after Identifying the Dominant Dozen), for three spins on the first go, but on the next series, you just play for twp spins, and re-track the Dozen Dominance?


So it would be:-
Find Dom Dozen, Play for 3 spins, Find New Dom Doz, play for 2 spins, Find Dom Doz, Play for 3 spins...


and alternate all along like that.


Have you tried?

Tried it.  Doesn't work.  It works best when you give your original "dominant dozen" 3 spins to come through for you.  Often times it takes a full 3 spins for it to come.  Many times the first 2 spins will be a loss, then on the third spin your "dominant dozen" comes back for you.

Have you tested this method the way I have laid it out?

chrisbis

Not yet.

I'm taking a break from Actual betting at the Mo.

Back to it again, in August though, so will definitely give this the Once over.

Be interesting see what Superman says of it, for the Long Haul.
cheers.

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