System idea is as easy as 1,2,3...The strike-rate will surprise. You simply continually bet against the dozens sequence of 1,2,3 appearing.You can go for one win per line (3 spins) or on a rolling basis. The strikerate is so high that 1,3,9 will suffice.MOST wins are in first or second spins.
1,3,2---W 2nd spin
2,1,1---W 1st spin
2,3,2 ---W 1st spin
3,1,2---W 1st spin
1,2,1---W 3rd spin
I play at b & M casinos exclusively/..No extensive software tests or anything.Just a simple observation. that dozens appearing 1 then 2 then 3 doesn't happen often and is something that can be taken advantage of. Give it a go. O0
Awesome idea
I can recommend: after 1 or 2 wins switch tables or take a break before the inevitable happens
onetaste: Flatbet, or any progression?
i assume each game is a set of 3 spins
when you win you wait
so if you win at spin 2, dont bet spin 3. wait and bet again at next game set of 3 spins
bet 2-3, then 1-3, then 1-2
so far 1 3 9 seems safe IF you dont push it, 1 or 2 wins and move on to another table or wait
this should be tested thoroughly i think it has potential
yeah,that's right. each 3 spins is a mini-game. if win on 1st or 2nd spin finish the 3 spins virtually.just so your staying on top of the cycle.1,2,3 will come every now and then.but the wins far exceed the few times that happens.
Quote from: onetaste on Nov 02, 05:58 PM 2015
yeah,that's right. each 3 spins is a mini-game. if win on 1st or 2nd spin finish the 3 spins virtually.just so your staying on top of the cycle.1,2,3 will come every now and then.but the wins far exceed the few times that happens.
one bet once a day 1 3 9 with $50 chips win or lose leave, i guarantee youd be up at weeks end
not realistic though lol
TwisterUK posted something very similar to this about 5-6 years ago, it had a really good following from what I read. It got tweaked quite a bit in the end, but got dropped like most ideas after a time.
yeah.it's somewhat based on that.alot of different ideas that can be used when it comes to playing this way.his was a single dozen betting selection.jot down in a similar fashion but bet that the dozen will match the line above.effective as well.especially if wait after a line misses..or simply bet that the line above will not match the next line and so on.i just simplified it to continually betting against 1,2,3.Using a good penthouse could even bet on a rolling basis.... double dozen betting gets old and makes you sweat too much when using a straight prog though.i think why double dozens go by the way side alot.
If 1 2 3 happens rarely leveller may be decent or the gr8 progression on a rolling basis
@onetaste
why bet against 1,2,3 ? why not 2,3,1 or 1,1,2 etc etc
Any sequence you bet against has the same odds of happening what makes 1,2,3 so special ?
O0
i have tested the first 102 spins of zumma (american since onetaste plays in AC)
102 spins being 34 mini games
i had one mini game loss in the 34 mini games. in all cases 1 3 9 won, except once. question remains, play mini games, or just play on a rolling basis with an ever so slight progression?
bravo onetaste this is a good bet selection i believe. granted this is a small sample size it does have potential. thanks for the new idea.
played as mini games and 1 3 9 prog, + 33 units - 26 units, total gain of +7 units
for what its worth flat betting every spin would have yielded +5 units
playing with $10 chips and $500 bankroll, resetting after a loss at 9 units per dozen back to 1 unit bankroll survived and in plus :thumbsup:
with a win goal of 5 units you may never see that 3L
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ha.good point..easier to keep track of i reckon...and ghost.looks good.thx for testing.as you see most wins are in first and second spins.so could even do 1,3 stop and recover 2,6.the gr8 crossed my mind as well.
just want to say arriving one spin early or one spin late would have avoided the 3L. so based on that session it can be considered a rarity. more testing needed.
Edit: computers off now. So ill check tomorrow but i believe that 3L had a 0 or 00. Therefore an insurance break even chip on 0 00 is something to consider
First quick test using European wheel flat betting, not a bad result.
Second test, another good result flat betting, at least it does not lose big. I don't recommend playing with a progression.
The more i think about this the more i like the idea of playing this with turbo genius 4 number back method
Hitting numbers as an added bonus
Another set played with leveller progression but only 1 2 4.
15 or so airball machines by me
1 mini game on each and leave
Soon enough
:thumbsup:
just went through 185 spins from smart live as seen on this forum
the pattern 1-2-3 did not happen ONCE, not even once.
:thumbsup:
therefore i honestly believe with a stop loss and a short session this is a long time winner and it should not be forgotten about. this will pay for many casino lunches for me
my plan: $5 units with progression 1, 3, 9. bankroll $130....several different bankrolls. 2nd one being $10 units, total roll of $260
past few months fun money only. next month im going in with real loot
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 04, 07:44 PM 2015
just went through 185 spins from smart live as seen on this forum
the pattern 1-2-3 did not happen ONCE, not even once.
:thumbsup:
therefore i honestly believe with a stop loss and a short session this is a long time winner and it should not be forgotten about. this will pay for many casino lunches for me
my plan: $5 units with progression 1, 3, 9. bankroll $130....several different bankrolls. 2nd one being $10 units, total roll of $260
past few months fun money only. next month im going in with real loot
It would be interesting to see how truly rare this pattern is in 10,000 spins.
You could use the following :
1-3-9 (if lose go to next step)
2-6-18 (if lose go to next step)
4-12-36 (if lose go to next step)
etc.
........if you had a large enough bankroll.
Another idea would be a 3-line Labby to keep the bets low.....adding lines if the you ended up in Marti territory. :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 05, 08:47 AM 2015
It would be interesting to see how truly rare this pattern is in 10,000 spins.
You could use the following :
1-3-9 (if lose go to next step)
2-6-18 (if lose go to next step)
4-12-36 (if lose go to next step)
etc.
........if you had a large enough bankroll.
Another idea would be a 3-line Labby to keep the bets low.....adding lines if the you ended up in Marti territory. :thumbsup:
Thats a good idea
My local casino has 15 airball machines. 1 mini game of 3 spins at each
The chances of hitting 1 2 3 pattern on multiple machines is extremely slim i think
Shame on me. I not familiar with labby
Hi,
I've been following this thread and FYI put together the attached spread sheet based on ten sessions on Betfair Live from the past few weeks for just under 500 spins. (Please excuse any errors but I've done this manually - next time I'll put together excel formula to work it out automatically).
No monetary values entered yet as I wanted to make sure I had the system right and also highlight some long losing runs of four and five spins which go past your suggested three progression steps - What do you suggest in these situations?
I'm still learning so would appreciate confirmation, comments and guidance?
Many thanks.
Nick
Sorry, non-password protected file now attached.
Nick
Thanks for the results Nick
Not bad
Start after 2 virtual losses is a thought
have another bet selection in the works.post it soon...keep me posted on your testing guys. :D
Quote from: onetaste on Nov 05, 12:59 PM 2015
have another bet selection in the works.post it soon...keep me posted on your testing guys. :D
Lookin forward to it
So far so good with the 1 2 3
onetaste
noone like columns
but i wonder how "rare" 123 is on columns
ha.was just about to post something regarding that..A,B,C prob as rare as 1,2,3. Every once in a while I bet both at same time using same sequence.If both hit,then win 2 units.If columns hit but not dozens,you only lose 1 unit.So betting against 1 in dozens and against A in columns.I even combined the quads for shitz and giggles and occasionally got all three to sync for a megatron win.but kinda reaching at that point.Columns are a strange bird for some reason..I'd like someone to come out with a straight columns system.I actually kinda dig playing them.
Quote from: onetaste on Nov 05, 06:43 PM 2015
ha.was just about to post something regarding that..A,B,C prob as rare as 1,2,3. Every once in a while I bet both at same time using same sequence.If both hit,then win 2 units.If columns hit but not dozens,you only lose 1 unit.So betting against 1 in dozens and against A in columns.I even combined the quads for shitz and giggles and occasionally got all three to sync for a megatron win.but kinda reaching at that point.Columns are a strange bird for some reason..I'd like someone to come out with a straight columns system.I actually kinda dig playing them.
just posted 2 column methods in another thread enjoy
back to this thread
currently looking at 123 for columns
so far better then dozens but wayyyyy too soon to say...need to check a few hundred minimum
can even get crazier
how often does 1 2 3 occur on dozen column dozen
in other words bet:
spin 1) bet 2nd and 3rd dozens
spin 2) bet 1st and 3rd columns
spin 3) bet 1st and 2nd dozens
3 bets :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 05, 07:03 PM 2015
currently looking at 123 for columns
so far better then dozens but wayyyyy too soon to say...need to check a few hundred minimum
I have been researching betting on columns for a long long time. Two of the most common patterns with columns are 123123 and its opposite 321321.
If you get it right, column betting is one of the few ways of betting where you can almost always break even over a set number of spins.
IMO if there were a Holy Grail for Roulette it would be based on columns.
Id like to add a suggestion or a tweak to the play for any member here interested in one tastes finding
I thought of this tweak because of the times ive seen a 1 2 3 happen i never saw a 4 loss in a row suffered yet. In other words 1 2 3 then 1 ( 1 2 3 1) have not seen that yet
So the tweak: when u arrive at the table the last spin is your starting point
Example: last spin was 23. 2nd dozen. Pretend that was a virtual loss
In other words you were on step 2 betting the 2nd dozen woldnt show but it did.
So your next bet would be dozen 3 wont show. If lose now bet dozen 1 wont show. If lose now bet dozen 2 wont show. As mentioned expect 1 loss every 60 to 100 spins but by playing THIS way it may be better
So whatever number just hit thats where you start
On a win stop. Sit out for one spin. Next spin is 3, 1st dozen that was virtual and pretend a loss now next bet against dozen 2 showing bettin it wont go 1 2 3. Then if lost bet against dozen 3. Every win stop and wait for next spin as ur virtual loss starting point
I think playing this way will avoid some 1 2 3 losses
I just checked 2 more 185 spin lots. 1 had 1 loss and the other had 2 losses on the original method
Next i will test with this tweak. But not tonight
Tweak 2
Wait for pattern 1,2 2,3 or 3,1 then begin betting against 1 2 3
Wait for one of the above triggers then bet
Example: 3,1 just happened. Now bet against 2. If win wait for next trigger. If lose next bet against 3.
Heres a test not by me but by normy2000
4 times in 220 spins 1 2 3 occured. Average once every 60 spins
So this is a constant. Once every 60 spins this will happen
So we have a trigger if u can wait.....
Notice the amount of spins 1 2 3 did not happen
This is 5 hours of play. No need for 1000 spin test
Here is a larger view.
1 = Win at first step
2 = Win at second step
3 = Win at theird step
4 = Lost progression
Quote from: Normy2000 on Nov 09, 09:56 AM 2015
Here is a larger view.
1 = Win at first step
2 = Win at second step
3 = Win at theird step
4 = Lost progression
Many thanks
From spin 50 to 180 no 1 2 3 pattern ^
I think my tweak will work wonder
Wait for 1,2 2,3 or 3,1 then begin rolling then on a win wait
I hope everyone sees the potential here
You can do 1 3 9 once a day with a larger unit
I mean big stuff here
As u can see with the graphs normy has shown whether its 10 thousand spins or 200 spins 1 2 3 is never followed by 1 2 3
Therefore one can say the HG is to wait for 1 2 3 to occur then bet against it happening again. This is big, no?
What is so special about the 123 combo?
321 should be just as rare... And i think all the other combo's are also just as rare.
Why not bet for the last combo not to repeat with your 1 3 9 progression?
123
132
213
231
312
321
Wait for this to happen. Then bet against it with 1 3 9 progression. Less waiting and in theory the same results as 123.
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 09, 10:52 AM 2015
What is so special about the 123 combo?
321 should be just as rare... And i think all the other combo's are also just as rare.
Why not bet for the last combo not to repeat with your 1 3 9 progression?
123
132
213
231
312
321
Wait for this to happen. Then bet against it with 1 3 9 progression. Less waiting and in theory the same results as 123.
Something to consider
Thanks. Ill try it
Did some testing:
66k spins:
123: 831
132: 854
213: 824
231: 807
312: 771
321: 802
111: 774
222: 790
333: 795
123 123: 31
132 132: 35
213 213: 30
231 231: 30
312 312: 26
321 321: 28
111 111: 23
222 222: 22
333 333: 26
So a repeat does happen, but not very often. i did the math and you will be in profit if you are using 1 3 9 progression. Not a great profit but it will be profit. About 100u per combo. So 900units in 66k spins...
It takes 26 wins to recover from a bust. That's alot...Maybe with a huge bankroll you can double the progression on a bust so you'll only need 13 wins?
Yea good idea
26 wins to recover is a lot but its also a guarantee. You typically wont see 123 twice within 26 spins so the recovery rate is good
Thats why the best trigger would be 1 2 3 then begin
Good testing sir!
P.s. double to recover in 13 spins is good idea
Also when i do play with real money it will be at my local casino with 15 auto wheels. Im going for one win at each airball machine then leave
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 09, 11:25 AM 2015
Yea good idea
26 wins to recover is a lot but its also a guarantee. You typically wont see 123 twice within 26 spins so the recovery rate is good
Thats why the best trigger would be 1 2 3 then begin
Good testing sir!
P.s. double to recover in 13 spins is good idea
Also when i do play with real money it will be at my local casino with 15 auto wheels. Im going for one win at each airball machine then leave
It's not 26 spins. It's 26 bets. You need 26 bets. You only bet after a combo happened. Like 123. Then bet against 123.
Oh well in that case id do 1 3 9 twice win 2 units and move tables or leave.
I was talking about continuous betting but if u mean waiting for 1 2 3 to occur then we should win almost everytime
Another way would be to wait for any 3 combo to repeat. Then bet the next 3 combo wont repeat
So many ways. Sigh.
Quote from: Normy2000 on Nov 09, 09:56 AM 2015
Here is a larger view.
1 = Win at first step
2 = Win at second step
3 = Win at theird step
4 = Lost progression
Normy, to avoid the drastic downslide we can bet the 1st two bets. 1 then 3. If lose sit out the 3rd spin and start again at the next set of 3. One taste suggested 1, 3. If lose sit out 3rd spin then do 2,6 on first 2 spins of the next set of 3
We never have to bet step 3 of 9 units. Can be virtual. That graph would be drastically different
There are many ways to make such a sure bet profitable
Does anyone agree that this is a HG or am i just nuts? Be honest
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 09, 11:17 AM 2015
Did some testing:
66k spins:
123: 831
132: 854
213: 824
231: 807
312: 771
321: 802
111: 774
222: 790
333: 795
123 123: 31
132 132: 35
213 213: 30
231 231: 30
312 312: 26
321 321: 28
111 111: 23
222 222: 22
333 333: 26
So a repeat does happen, but not very often. i did the math and you will be in profit if you are using 1 3 9 progression. Not a great profit but it will be profit. About 100u per combo. So 900units in 66k spins...
It takes 26 wins to recover from a bust. That's alot...Maybe with a huge bankroll you can double the progression on a bust so you'll only need 13 wins?
The math is astonishing. How close it all is...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 09, 12:01 PM 2015
Another way would be to wait for any 3 combo to repeat. Then bet the next 3 combo wont repeat
So many ways. Sigh.
A combo of 3 to repeat append aprox. every 2130 spins.
There is 9 of them, 2130/9 = 236.6 spins.
Would you wait (236/50) 4h45 for a trigger? :question:
Not me, because my sessions are aprox. 1h30 max. 8)
Quote from: Normy2000 on Nov 09, 04:46 PM 2015
A combo of 3 to repeat append aprox. every 2130 spins.
There is 9 of them, 2130/9 = 236.6 spins.
Would you wait (236/50) 4h45 for a trigger? :question:
Not me, because my sessions are aprox. 1h30 max. 8)
Absolutely. Im with you on that
I wouldnt wait either
Id take advantage of it not repeating as seen here. 30 times in 60 thousand spin. Yousers!!
4 hour wait for a repeat? Thats 4 hours of wins
:o
Ray was onto something. Bet aginst thr past 3. Boom
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 09, 10:52 AM 2015
What is so special about the 123 combo?
321 should be just as rare... And i think all the other combo's are also just as rare.
Why not bet for the last combo not to repeat with your 1 3 9 progression?
123
132
213
231
312
321
Wait for this to happen. Then bet against it with 1 3 9 progression. Less waiting and in theory the same results as 123.
I agree here, allready better...
... same 224 spins from SmartLive posted earlier.
Lets try a longer session playing this way, 1436 spins or 28h45 :o
+8 units :(
Quote from: Normy2000 on Nov 09, 05:32 PM 2015
I agree here, allready better...
... same 224 spins from SmartLive posted earlier.
simulating that the past 3 dozen pattern wont repeat?
judging by that graph one repeat at spin 150 normy?
what we can learn from your graphs, is make a few units and move on to another table or breaktime
i just quickly went through spins 200-300 in american zumma
the previous pattern did not repeat at all
1, 3, 9 won every mini game of 3 spins. of course we stop on a win and wait for the next 3 spin mini game
one condition that we never lost in those 100 spins: a small break even insurance chip on 0
this was simulated as the past 3 spin dozen pattern would not repeat, not against the original 1 2 3 pattern but on the rolling basis that ray suggested. good suggestion ray
good enough for me as i wont stick around for 4 hours, lol
i just went through spins 400 to 600 in zumma
im seeing the previous 3 pattern repeat multiple times...have to re-think that...
i saw 1 1 2 repeat and 1 3 3 repeat
from what im seeing on this, betting against 1 2 3 occuring OR betting against any other set combo occuring may be better?
as ray pointed out choose any, 3 2 1 for example
betting against a static way for a few bets looks better, doesnt have to be 123, can be 3 2 1 or 2 1 3 etc
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 09, 06:10 PM 2015
simulating that the past 3 dozen pattern wont repeat?
Yes
judging by that graph one repeat at spin 150 normy?
For this 224 set yes, only 1 loss, but on the next set of 1436 spins, we have 17 loss, so a repeat every 84.5 spins...
what we can learn from your graphs, is make a few units and move on to another table or breaktime
dunno :question:
here is a 78 spin sample from zumma betting against a 1 2 3 formation (spin 700 american wheel zumma)
green highlight is where we win, and also where we stop and wait for next mini game
each mini game of 3 spins won
mind you, i would not sit for 78 spins, but look at how nice this is........its just.....beautiful
this will surely get me some comped rooms :twisted: :twisted:
to keep it simple we could just bet that every 3rd spin will not be the 1st dozen with a good ole 1 3 9 :-X
edit: you will see a 0 at a bad time. you WILL see 1, 2, 0 and it will ruin your day, so please insurance chip on zero
Only bet the combo's i gave. 122 is not a good combo. The nine i gave are more rare so you will have better results with it.
Just aim for 10 units daily on a wheel. That should be posible even if you have a bust. And indeed cover the zero. In my results i ignored the zero.
Dont be greedy and be patience and you can make 10 units on a daily basis with this.
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 10, 02:36 AM 2015
Only bet the combo's i gave. 122 is not a good combo. The nine i gave are more rare so you will have better results with it.
Just aim for 10 units daily on a wheel. That should be posible even if you have a bust. And indeed cover the zero. In my results i ignored the zero.
Dont be greedy and be patience and you can make 10 units on a daily basis with this.
Thanks. And i agree
Some of the tests i did betting against 1 2 3 had the same good results betting against 2 3 1. So changing it up can help avoid the rare loss. Maybe bet against 1 2 3 for a few wins then against 2 3 1 for a few and so on
Something to think about :
x is 24 numbers
1 is 12 numbers
Chances to get same after the trigger ?
And how we can get such triggers, is worth to have such trig. ?
Would be interesting to see some stats about this.
Triggers:
1x1x1x1
1xx1xx1xx1
11xx11xx
1111xxxx
111xxx1 ( here bet against 11xxx)
(i need four 1 for some reason)
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Nov 10, 07:03 AM 2015
Something to think about :
x is 24 numbers
1 is 12 numbers
Chances to get same after the trigger ?
And how we can get such triggers, is worth to have such trig. ?
Would be interesting to see some stats about this.
Triggers:
1x1x1x1
1xx1xx1xx1
11xx11xx
1111xxxx
111xxx1 ( here bet against 11xxx)
(i need four 1 for some reason)
cheers
I have to look into that. A bit confusing at first though. Can you give an example?
Ill test some more tonight, another set against 1 2 3 and maybe a few sets against 2 3 1 and post the results because 2 3 1 looked just as promising
Looking at above chart i made, 2 3 1 did not occur. However, 3 2 1 did.....not saying it occurs more or less but in a group of this amount of spins expect at least one consecutive dozen 3 spin group of:
1 2 3, 2 3 1, or 3 1 2
I cant agree with ray enough, win some units and move tables
Ultimately what id like to do is play with $25 units. Would require $650 bankroll
Two 3 spin mini sessions a day
Profit $50 and leave
Bet against 1 2 3 only twice
If we lost that we should join the unlucky club
If successful bankroll would be doubled in 3 weeks if going 5 days a week
Then move to $50 units
I will attempt this in december and keep you updated
Hey, i can dream right?
spin 300 in zumma test
betting against 231 formation
all mini games won
as you can see we saw 1 2 3 ONCE! there it is!
big note here: look at how important the insurance chip is on 0. me? id bet a break even chip, no big chip amounts trying to profit off 0, I mean you can if you want to but this graph shows how important that 0 insurance bet is
such a solid strategy....
if i was at a real wheel live dealer or airball id be DONE at spin #4. I'd win my two units and move on. row 2, and I am out!
see how rare "1 2 3", "2 3 1", "3 1 2" ?? the chances of arriving at the table and one of these happening is 1 in 60-100. good odds. in a 100 spin lot i don't think we will ever see a 1 2 3, 2 3 1, and a 3 1 2 all within the same 100 spin lot. maybe 1 in a million
we can do something along the lines of :
2 mini games against 1 2 3
2 mini games against 2 3 1
2 mini games against 3 1 2
i see dollar signs in my eyes but my wallet is still scared....haunted by past failures
Of the lots ive tested betting against 3 3 1
Hasnt lost once
Not saying it wont lose, just saying i havent seen 331 yet in the tests
FYI
Lanky's 6 point divisor not working here ?
Quote from: denzie on Nov 11, 12:54 PM 2015
Lanky's 6 point divisor not working here ?
Im sure it would work.
Do you think it is necessary though?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 11, 12:56 PM 2015
Im sure it would work.
Do you think it is necessary though?
Yep...
I've been doing bit same stuff in the past. And the hit rate is high. But I got my *ss kicked to many times. Just my opinion though.
Ill try it
I am not a big fan of set pattern betting, but I know lots of others are and it has it's place. I have come unstuck and had my fingers burnt a few too many times so it makes me a bit apprehensive now. Always worth a look.
Good luck with this. As Tamino always says, use dicipline and know when to leave.
Quote from: muggins on Nov 11, 05:32 PM 2015
I am not a big fan of set pattern betting, but I know lots of others are and it has it's place. I have come unstuck and had my fingers burnt a few too many times so it makes me a bit apprehensive now.
Same here. Even with hit rate being very high. There always those days the losses come to quickly. And the recovery seem to get unreachable. ....
As Steve said....we been twisting and turning methods that are here for years to end up with the same ending. But never try , never know.
Quote from: denzie on Nov 11, 05:39 PM 2015
Same here. Even with hit rate being very high. There always those days the losses come to quickly. And the recovery seem to get unreachable. ....
As Steve said....we been twisting and turning methods that are here for years to end up with the same ending. But never try , never know.
Totally agree, you never know until you try.
test
starting at spin 900 on zumma
78 spins. 26 mini games. approximately 2 hours table time.....
id be done at row 3 and move on
this chart is betting against 1 2 3 formation, green is the win. all mini games won
1 2 3 formation - all games won
2 3 1 formation - 1 game lost, 1st mini game it showed, at that point i know it wouldn't repeat since it happens only 30 times in 60 thousand spins, so id double my bets to recover fast
3 1 2 formation - 1 game lost, quarter of the way down, I wouldn't have seen that though
moral of the story, the formations will happen but its limited to 1 in about 100 spins for each formation
using taminos advice of 20% bankroll win goal you should win 99.999999% of the time if you have discipline, and move on after a few wins
this is not a play every mini game and become rich thing. its more of a 3 to 4 mini game system, win a hundred dollars/euros and leave
HG does not exist, but this is pretty damn close
id also add that if you want to avoid the eventual 26 unit loss of 1 3 9, we can just bet the first 2 steps of each mini game and leave bet 3 (if it gets to that point) as a virtual bet. so if we lose 1, 3 progression STOP and wait for the next mini game. YOU WILL recover faster, much much faster
realistically if i was playing against 1 2 3 with real money and i had the proper bankroll here is how i would play it:
id bet with progression 1 3 9 with $5 units
IF i lost the 1 3 9 progression (which should happen once every 60-200 spins) i would be down $130
now since I am down $130, i know 1 2 3 occuring again would be an extreme and a rarity so I'd aim to win that $130 back fast
I would then move up to $50 units, and in 3 mini games (9 spins) I will be back recovered with profit
I'd only get to that point if I saw 1 2 3 within the 1st 3 mini games. because I would play 2 to 3 mini games MAXIMUM then stop and switch tables or take a break
so my expectations for seeing a 1 2 3 formation are extremely low in the short time I would be there
many ways to do it. take the loss for the day? never bet step 3 of progression? up the unit level to recover quick? take the roulette ball and throw it at the dealer? i dont know....so many ideas can be used for this
help is appreciated!
another lightbulb went off in my head to change things up so the bets aren't static
when arrive at the table
first 3 spin mini game: bet against 1 2 3 on a win wait until next 3 spins
when 3 spin are finished now:
bet against the last 3 formation
so :
bet 1 (mini game #1 of 3 spins) - bet against formation 1 2 3
bet 2 (mini game #2 of 3 spins) - bet against the last 3 formation
bet 1: dozen 2 and 3, then dozen 1 and 3, then dozen 1 and 2, on any win stop and wait until 3 spins is finished
results in those 3 spins were 9, 22, 11
so now mini game #2 we bet against the last 3 formation of 1, 2, 1
bets will be dozens 2 and 3, then dozens 1 and 3, then dozens 2 and 3
simple. easy. wins
the chances of losing 1 2 3 THEN losing a repeat pattern is probably 0.00000000000000002 % :xd: :xd:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 11, 08:03 PM 2015
another lightbulb went off in my head to change things up so the bets aren't static
when arrive at the table
first 3 spin mini game: bet against 1 2 3 on a win wait until next 3 spins
when 3 spin are finished now:
bet against the last 3 formation
so :
bet 1 (mini game #1 of 3 spins) - bet against formation 1 2 3
bet 2 (mini game #2 of 3 spins) - bet against the last 3 formation
bet 1: dozen 2 and 3, then dozen 1 and 3, then dozen 1 and 2, on any win stop and wait until 3 spins is finished
results in those 3 spins were 9, 22, 11
so now mini game #2 we bet against the last 3 formation of 1, 2, 1
bets will be dozens 2 and 3, then dozens 1 and 3, then dozens 2 and 3
simple. easy. wins
the chances of losing 1 2 3 THEN losing a repeat pattern is probably 0.00000000000000002 % :xd: :xd:
It appears that the issue is not with the bet selection, but with the progression. The 1-3-9 seems to be a "sudden death" Marti.............I'm sure that GLC has a more effective progression in his arsenal.
This might be a HG, but it needs the right progression.
Even something like a 1-3-9........2-6-18........3-9-27 as different levels might work. Just an idea! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 11, 09:01 PM 2015
It appears that the issue is not with the bet selection, but with the progression. The 1-3-9 seems to be a "sudden death" Marti.............I'm sure that GLC has a more effective progression in his arsenal.
This might be a HG, but it needs the right progression.
Even something like a 1-3-9........2-6-18........3-9-27 as different levels might work. Just an idea! :)
Ill figure it out if it kills me
"This might be a HG, but it needs the right progression" >> HG and progression in the same sentence? :'(
Ken
just another way of play:
do not bet dozens but bet a selection of 12 numbers wheel layout.
total bet 24 singles + zero covered.
had good results so far.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Nov 12, 03:48 AM 2015
just another way of play:
do not bet dozens but bet a selection of 12 numbers wheel layout.
total bet 24 singles + zero covered.
had good results so far.
I thought about that
Do you mean cut the wheel into 3 twelve number groups then bet that the previous pattern of the last 3 sectors doesnt repeat?
Or just 12 numbers of your Choice.
Tested it with kimo li Numbers and cant get a loser.
He posted pinwheel xls files month ago for American and European Wheel.
The sequence 3-2-1 Never Happend to me until now. Dont know if its the special pinwheel number selection.
Thanks for the tip rfmaxx
Kimo li is easy to find on google images. Ill try and piece together what you just said
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15536.0;attach=17987;image (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15536.0;attach=17987;image)
I see. So you can bet against 1 2 3 there.....ill have a look
Thanks
Try against 321 ;) this is european Wheel. Double 00 is Different
Quote from: RFMAXX on Nov 12, 06:19 PM 2015
Try against 321 ;) this is european Wheel. Double 00 is Different
I have access to euro and american airball so ill have a look at 321 euro
I see my name came up in this thread so I thought I'd respond.
This is just a double dozen bet no matter how you pick the dozens to bet on. Any of the double dozen progressions posted on this forum will give you the same result.
Some DD progressions are aggressive and you have to have a large bankroll to stay with them because you'll be going in the hole pretty deep.
Others are conservative and you won't need as large of a bankroll but you'll find yourself in the hole for very long periods of time.
I always suggest the Penthouse for double dozens. 112233445566778899etc... You move 2 steps to the right on a loss and move 1 step to the left on a win.
Here's some progression lines that go from very aggressive to very conservative. Still 2 to the right on loss and 1 to the left on win.
1 1 3 3 5 5 7 7 9 9 11 11 13 13 15 15 17 17 19 19 21 21 etc...
1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 9 9 10 10 11 11 12 12 13 13 14 14 etc...
1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 9 10 10 10 etc...
11111 222222 33333 44444 55555 66666 77777 88888 99999 etc...
As a final thought, the 3 step marty is as good as any other progression. A Marty is a very bad idea only if you don't cap it. If you cap it at 3 steps, it's not any worse than other progressions.
If this system wins with any progression, it will win with any progression. Using that logic, it should win with a flat bet as well.
Good Luck to All,
GLC
Thanks glc
You are right
Beyond a shadow of a doubt going into the casino and playing against 1 2 3 one time with insurnace on 0 you should be a winner
Maybe hit 3 tables once and leave
Hi RG
How about waiting for 1 of the combinations to repeat, then bet big, like you say.
Now the ?, is the win enough? Go to the next machine,wait for a repeat,bet, win move on.
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 13, 03:08 PM 2015
Hi RG
How about waiting for 1 of the combinations to repeat, then bet big, like you say.
Now the ?, is the win enough? Go to the next machine,wait for a repeat,bet, win move on.
Notto, that would be ideal. And as ray pointed out on page 4 or 5 almost a sure shot
That way is just about infalliable
The problem is a pattern can take 100 spins before it happens. You may not see 1 2 3, 2 3 1, or 3 1 2 for 60 to 100 spins
Thats why i like the idea of one mini game then switch tables
Ideas welcome
So why not play online? Watch a movie. And go in when it's time.
Or at the casino...have a drink ...walk around...probably many tables...and attack.
PATIENCE is so important in gambling.
RG
when at the touch screen machines, can monitor 3 different games at Aspers MK, so might not have to wait to long. When the knee allows i'll go and have a look.
Aspers MK would have to be evenings only sunday to monday.
But Aspers Westfield London could play afternoons as plenty busy
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 13, 03:10 PM 2015
The problem is a pattern can take 100 spins before it happens. You may not see 1 2 3, 2 3 1, or 3 1 2 for 60 to 100 spins
Ideas welcome
Yep, 1-2h to wait for these combinations and 4-5h for a repeat.
So i would go for a repeat and bet big, watching 3-4 tables, and playing something else while waiting.
Chance for a trple are not very high i guess.
Just my 2 cents! :)
Yes normy
Most definitely the best way
lets just say if a repeat happened i would go and empty my savings account and go all in
however the short time im at the casino i think the best way for me is in and out
whats the chances of 1 2 3 happening the second you arrive to table? it happens about once every hundred spins...
so if you play one 3 spin mini game then move tables i'd say you have yourself a nice little personal HG
i have upwards of 15 machines at my casino
even with $5 units and $130 bankroll i can leave the casino $75 profit up
i hate to say it but i think 1 3 9 is best for this system
airball decides where it falls with the illusion of a real wheel and ball. however my machines are not rigged. i see people winning thousands on them
besides, would an airball machine avoid my $5 dozens chips while people have $25 chips on numbers....nahhhhh
So in short....
1-2-3
1-2-3 happens once in how many spins ?
Quote from: denzie on Nov 13, 05:52 PM 2015
So in short....
1-2-3
1-2-3 happens once in how many spins ?
in 60,000 spins thanks to raymanz
123: 831
132: 854
213: 824
231: 807
312: 771
321: 802
111: 774
222: 790
333: 795
123 123: 31
132 132: 35
213 213: 30
231 231: 30
312 312: 26
321 321: 28
111 111: 23
222 222: 22
333 333: 26
i see 1 2 3 about once every 100 spins
and 123 123 ....31 times in 60,000 spins
ONCE EVERY 1,900 spins you will see 123 123
Can someone back this up with other "personal"wiesbaden"etc" data?
Quote from: denzie on Nov 13, 05:57 PM 2015
Can someone back this up with other "personal"wiesbaden"etc" data?
i can back up raymanz data with the copy of american zumma i have. it is accurate
i see 1 2 3 once every 100
onetaste is a modest man
this is his baby
thanks be to him!
That's very impressive!! I'll keep my eye on it
So this is a lot better than your quads?
OK. Thx onetaste :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Nov 13, 06:07 PM 2015
That's very impressive!! I'll keep my eye on it
So this is a lot better than your quads?
OK. Thx onetaste :thumbsup:
my quads is a good bet selection as per the wheel
it can win. it can lose. with VL it can win big. i have seen it win flat bet and i have seen it lose flat bet. a multiple alias poster tried to sabotage it.
however i will admit this method by one taste blows it away
Alright. Thx for your honesty.
Quote from: denzie on Nov 13, 06:12 PM 2015
Alright. Thx for your honesty.
the reason i pushed my quads so hard was 3 nights in a row i left it auto clicker, flat bet on celtic and i was up in profit every morning (on american wheel)
Quote from: Normy2000 on Nov 13, 04:56 PM 2015
... and playing something else while waiting.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 13, 06:08 PM 2015
my quads is a good bet selection as per the wheel...
... it can win. it can lose. with VL it can win big. i have seen it win flat bet and i have seen it lose flat bet.
Why not this one?
yes normy definitely possible
azim plays my quads while he waits for his system to kick in
And his system is.....
Quote from: denzie on Nov 13, 07:03 PM 2015
And his system is.....
he sells it with a bot
but he posted a video playing my quads until his kicked in
when it comes to sellers azim is the only one i trust besides normy who makes bots
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 13, 07:06 PM 2015
when it comes to sellers azim is the only one i trust besides normy who makes bots
Thanks RG.
Today i began my journey
I won $70 today betting against 1 2 3
I used $10 units
Progression was 10, 20, 60 per spot. Progression was to cut losses but not too extreme. The progression breaks even in step 2 and 3
Id win 10 then switch airball machines
Was very easy
The casino had a few airball machines disassembled and they were replaced with another brand
I played euro and american
In my time there i saw 1 2 3 once but it was before i arrived about 10 spins back
RG, I've been looking at this bet within a matrix. I set up a 3 wide matrix and bet that the middle vertical won't form 1 - 2 - 3. That means we only get a bet every 3rd spin, but what's the hurry.
So, if our 1st spin is the 3rd dozen we bet on the 2nd and 3rd dozen against a 1st dozen spin for the middle position. Let's say we get a 1st dozen hit, our matrix will look like this
3 1
If our next 2 spins are the 2nd doz and the 3rd doz, our matrix looks like this
3 1 2
3
We now bet 3-3 against the 2nd doz showing. Let's say we get the 1st doz, our matrix is
3 1 2
3 1
That's a win. If our next 2 dozens are 3 and 3 our matrix ix
3 1 2
3 1 3
3
Now we bet 1-1 against a 1st doz. That's a little confusing because it looks like we should be betting against a 2nd doz, but remember that the 1st doz hit above was a win because we were betting against a 2nd dozen.
We just keep betting against this:
3 1 1
2 2 3
1 3 1
As you can see, the middle column creates 1 2 3 which is a loss.
Of course we could bet against any columns or even the diagonals. A 3 wide matrix isn't special. We could use a 4 5 6 or 7 or even more if we want more time between bets.
Just an idea that might or might not improve the system.
GLC
Ou
Good idea glc we can test it as a matrix
I only saw 1 2 3 once yesterday between multiple airball machines. Keep in mind arriving one spin before or after and u miss that. So the chances are so low!
solid performer
I owe one tase drinks in AC with my winnings
I make these observations just to qualify my previous post. There's no reason why betting against 1 - 2 - 3 forming is better than betting against 2 - 2 - 2 or 2- 1 - 3 or any other arrangement of dozens. They're all the same odds.
If you wait until you have a series of say 3 wins in a row of any dozen, then bet against 1-2-3, you might have a better hit rate. It also means fewer betting opportunities.
Of course, everything we're suggesting is "gambler's fallacy" but what else is there?
As a thought on the progression, if you lose a 1-1 3-3 9-9 progression, we could go to a 3-3 9-9 27-27 for 7 or 8 wins and then drop back to 1-1 3-3 9-9 to recover the remaining units. If you lose within the 8 wins at 3-3 9-9 27-27 then you can move to a final progression of 9-9 27-27 81-81 for 8 times and then drop back down. More risky, but a loss on the 3rd set of bets should be pretty rare.
Nice Matrix use George! :thumbsup:
George in the matrix you recommend playing one column only?
So in other words
Bet dozens 2 and 3
3 spins plater bet dozens 1 and 3
3 spins later bet dozens 1 and 2
RG, No. There's only 2 skips between bets. So we're betting against 1-2-3 from top to bottom in the center column of the matrix. The following is an example of a loss.
2 1 3
3 3 2
1 1 2
3 2 2
1 3 2
2 2 1
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Nov 16, 11:57 AM 2015
RG, No. There's only 2 skips between bets. So we're betting against 1-2-3 from top to bottom in the center column of the matrix. The following is an example of a loss.
2 1 3
3 3 2
1 1 2
3 2 2
1 3 2
2 2 1
GLC
Ok i understand
I went through some graphs and saw that formation once
Definitely a new way to test it
My hopes are high as i won on the airball machines
I hit top bet in progression twice which scared me though
We could use multiple patterns.
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
X X X
It's harder to track, but will get a lot more betting opportunities.
We could also wait until one of the locations shows a virtual loss and then bet against that same pattern forming a second time right after the first time.
GLC
Edit, I guess the bottom two are redundant.
I don't mean to get crazy here but we could also treat each dozen with a separate progression. So the 1 doz has a bet line. The 2 doz has a separate bet line. And the 3 doz has a separate bet line. This helps keep the bet sizes down.
You can use a penthouse progression for each dozen and any time you reach a new profit reset all lines.
I know it's more complicated and will require pen and paper so maybe not worth the trouble.
GLC
Im with you on the method of thinking. Ways to improve it absolutely
1 3 9 wins 99 percent of the time. I hope to be in profit before 1 2 3 happens so busting a 1 3 9 wont hurt
The trick is what tamino says, 20 percent profit and STOP
if flat bet 60 spins
40 wins break even
# 1,2,3 DOZ W/L
20 1 2 w
4 2 1 w
10 3 1 w
8 1 1 L
25 2 3 w
0 3 0 L
19 1 2 w
10 2 1 w
2 3 1 w
20 1 2 w
35 2 3 w
18 3 2 w
2 1 1 L
31 2 3 w
4 3 1 w
21 1 2 w
36 2 3 w
19 3 2 w
3 1 1 L
19 2 2 L
0 3 0 L
25 1 3 w
25 2 3 w
4 3 1 w
22 1 2 w
2 2 1 w
6 3 1 w
0 1 0 L
27 2 3 w
10 3 1 w
33 1 3 w
30 2 3 w
2 3 1 w
28 1 3 w
17 2 2 L
16 3 2 w
36 1 3 w
7 2 1 w
36 3 3 L
25 1 3 w
27 2 3 w
35 3 3 L
18 1 2 w
21 2 2 L
5 3 1 w
35 1 3 w
20 2 2 L
12 3 1 w
13 1 2 w
34 2 3 w
22 3 2 w
32 1 3 w
30 2 3 w
29 3 3 L
20 1 2 w
21 2 2 L
15 3 2 w
29 1 3 w
17 2 2 L
14 3 2 w
45 WINS all rng, could make a living if goes this well
Yes notto its scarey how this works
Expect to see 1 2 3 once an Hour
:thumbsup:
I say this with certainty. Hundreds and hundreds of zumma spins. Coupled with hundred of live spins. It is just a good method
Notto whats number to left?
RG have you abandoned the 2+3 dozen, 1+3 column, 1+2 dozen betting approach that you called a holy grail in the 2.0 thread? Been following that thread and was wondering if there's anything that's come out of your testing on that one...
Is this a recognised method.
Reason, if so then rigged rng will recognise the pattern in time and throw out the losers.
# 1,2,3 DOZ W/L
0 1 0 L
20 2 2 L
30 3 3 L
16 1 2 W
30 2 3 W
18 3 2 W
14 1 2 W
6 2 1 W
5 3 1 W
24 1 2 W
1 2 1 W
2 3 1 W
20 1 2 W
12 2 1 W
32 3 3 L
32 1 3 W
6 2 1 W
12 3 1 W
14 1 2 W
13 2 2 L
13 3 2 W
7 1 1 L
23 2 2 L
24 3 2 W
32 1 3 W
3 2 1 W
29 3 3 L
24 1 2 W
30 2 3 W
18 3 2 W
14 1 2 W
26 2 3 W
23 3 2 W
10 1 1 L
27 2 3 W
24 3 2 W
25 1 3 W
22 2 2 L
16 3 2 W
31 1 3 W
26 2 3 W
30 3 3 L
9 1 1 L
3 2 1 W
19 3 2 W
12 1 1 L
29 2 3 W
36 3 3 L
31 1 3 W
33 2 3 W
7 3 1 W
0 1 0 L
14 2 2 L
31 3 3 L
30 1 3 W
28 2 3 W
19 3 2 W
13 1 2 W
9 2 1 W
25 3 3 L
60 spins, 42 wins, again rng from 8.2.15 so if this pattern bet is new, early days, more testing.
Quote from: hermbob on Nov 16, 03:20 PM 2015
RG have you abandoned the 2+3 dozen, 1+3 column, 1+2 dozen betting approach that you called a holy grail in the 2.0 thread? Been following that thread and was wondering if there's anything that's come out of your testing on that one...
Hello
I tested it and it turned out to have the same 1 loss on average an hour as the standard betting against 1 2 3 on dozens does
I was just trying to get creative. It works just as good though
Now that u bring it up i will test that more
This method is grailish for sure
Notto id say its pretty recognized. Raymanzz showed it with 60,000 spin statistics. Average 1 out of 75 three spin mini games is a loss. Normy2000 testing fell in line with that as does mine
So if rng begins losing big SOMETHINGS UP
I make this reply so i can get back and save GLC progression on my windows computer, now i use Ubuntu.
I like this way of progression using levels.
QuoteAs a thought on the progression, if you lose a 1-1 3-3 9-9 progression, we could go to a 3-3 9-9 27-27 for 7 or 8 wins and then drop back to 1-1 3-3 9-9 to recover the remaining units. If you lose within the 8 wins at 3-3 9-9 27-27 then you can move to a final progression of 9-9 27-27 81-81 for 8 times and then drop back down. More risky, but a loss on the 3rd set of bets should be pretty rare.
Cheers
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 16, 03:30 PM 2015
Notto id say its pretty recognized. Raymanzz showed it with 60,000 spin statistics. Average 1 out of 75 three spin mini games is a loss. Normy2000 testing fell in line with that as does mine
So if rng begins losing big SOMETHINGS UP
These 25.4.15 rng
So if rng begins losing big SOMETHINGS UP
26 1 3 W
11 2 1 W
28 3 3 L
19 1 2 W
15 2 2 L
8 3 1 W
7 1 1 L
29 2 3 W
33 3 3 L
20 1 2 W
19 2 2 L
31 3 3 L
16 1 2 W
1 2 1 W
32 3 3 L
17 1 2 W
8 2 1 W
18 3 2 W
0 1 0 L
8 2 1 W
9 3 1 W
28 1 3 W
15 2 2 L
26 3 3 L
1 1 1 L
12 2 1 W
0 3 0 L
2 1 1 L
16 2 2 L
10 3 1 W
29 1 3 W
25 2 3 W
33 3 3 L
11 1 1 L
22 2 2 L
25 3 3 L
19 1 2 W
13 2 2 L
29 3 3 L
10 1 1 L
34 2 3 W
18 3 2 W
12 1 1 L
12 2 1 W
33 3 3 L
35 1 3 W
18 2 2 L
1 3 1 W
19 1 2 W
22 2 2 L
30 3 3 L
24 1 2 W
13 2 2 L
33 3 3 L
3 1 1 L
17 2 2 L
36 3 3 L
3 1 1 L
3 2 1 W
32 3 3 L
1,2,3 here twice. only wins 27 of the 60 spins.
But really whilst the above is a record of actual spins iwas not using the method 1,2,3 so can we say rng has it all covered
1 2 3 twice is possible but as we have seen its rare. Very rare
The way i play is 3 spins with 1 3 9 or 1 2 6 for a break even
At any win wait until next 3 spins. If win at 3 units (step 2) sit out the next spin and wait for the next set of 3 spins to begin
On airball saturday i played 1 2 6. So id only profit at 1st level
Won 7 units in an hour so it was a suceess
RG see it like this, 3 is medium 6 is rare 9 happens once every 100.000 trails 12 happen once or twice during 1 million.
Cheers
I like Turbo Genius method with GLC progression, get very nice results using it.
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ego...whats the turbogenius way? thx
Quote from: RFMAXX on Nov 17, 05:30 AM 2015
ego...whats the turbogenius way? thx
Betting that the last 3 dozen formation wont repeat
Betting against the dozen 3 spins back
Hi everyone
I have been on this site for a long time and I probable don't contribute very much,
But just a thought, why not wait for dozen 1 and 2 too show then bet dozen 1 and 2.
as by reading the other posts 3 is unlikely to follow.
In the unlikely event that it does wait for dozen 1 and 2 to show again and just do a marty.
just an idea
regards Nick.
Do you mean wait for the pattern 1 2 to occur then begin betting against 1 2 3 occuring?
Yes
exactly that simples?
Nick
Good idea thank you
No problem
let me know, if it stands up?
In theory it should, maybe even flat bet hit and run.
Nick
Cant argue there
This strategy is a dream for hit and run players
With proper bankroll and large units should make steady income
And its so simple? (even twocat shouldn't ask too many question)
maybe too simple, but lets put it to the test and see what happens.
Thanks Nick.
We can also have the 3 spin mini games as normal
But bet against 1 2 forming. No bet spin 3
1 3 progression. Safer
So when arrive bet against dozen 1. If win great. Sit out the next 2 spins. Bet again next 3 spin mini game
If lose next bet against dozen 2. If win sit out next spin and start over at next 3 spin mini game
If lose no worries we r down 8 units and will recover fast
Example
Dozen 1 shows. Lose
Dozen 3 shows. Win
Sit out 3rd spin
Start again
So do we have a final answer here yet or is everybody still testing? Been following this thread for a while and doing some independent testing on the 1, 3, 9 progression with the 1, 2, 3 dozens approach. Pretty excited about it. Does this method still seem to be the most efficient or is the 1, 3 progression per 3 mini-game series now the front-runner?
By the way, I'm "new" to the forum as a poster, but have been a long time lurker. Nice to meet you guys. :)
everyone will always seek a "final" approach
thats the nature of these forums
now matter how you slice it, it is a good method. 99.9% of the time 1 3 9 wins a 3 spin mini game if not in spin 1 or 2.
the variations introduced by the law, GLC, and KCIN012 are all good
but the original post #1 by onetaste is all we really need
sure you can do the 1,3 approach for spin 1 and 2 only, however when i was at the casino saturday i won several of my bets on try #3 so 1,3 wouldnt have cut it. but in most cases it does. please note i saw 1 2 3 pattern once while at the casino saturday between about 10 different airball machines. so it falls in line with all the testing ive done. expect a loser 123 pattern about once an hour.
nice to meet you
p.s. all my testing has been on american. does euro see it more often, i dont know......
Quote from: hermbob on Nov 17, 05:36 PM 2015
By the way, I'm "new" to the forum as a poster, but have been a long time lurker. Nice to meet you guys. :)
Welcome abord! :-)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 17, 05:45 PM 2015
p.s. all my testing has been on american. does euro see it more often, i dont know......
Are you covering the zeroes? Or just one of the zeroes? None at all?
I've been testing on European with $6 units and throwing a single $1 on the zero. Not sure if that's the right ratios long term, but obviously hitting a zero at any point is welcomed. I immediately count that as a win and wait for the next mini-game whenever that comes.
that sounds good to me
the one time i did NOT cover the zero saturday, it hit
i think if u place 6 chips on the dozens, 1 chip on the zero is a good idea....
in many of my tests the 0 insurance bet saved the loss
people will disagree and say it doesnt matter, but i think it does
Quote from: ego on Nov 17, 05:26 AM 2015
I like Turbo Genius method with GLC progression, get very nice results using it.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 17, 06:11 AM 2015
Betting that the last 3 dozen formation wont repeat
Betting against the dozen 3 spins back
After testing a few thousand spins I didn't have very good results doing it that way.
The 3 spin mini game style performs better and covering the zero (s) is a good idea when getting into the higher levels of progressions. It depends on the value of units being used I think. I vaguely remember reading something similar to this previously.
Quote from: button on Nov 17, 07:04 PM 2015
After testing a few thousand spins I didn't have very good results doing it that way.
The 3 spin mini game style performs better and covering the zero (s) is a good idea when getting into the higher levels of progressions. It depends on the value of units being used I think. I vaguely remember reading something similar to this previously.
turbos way will have long winning streaks and also losing streaks
i agree that betting against 1 2 3 forming is better....i still have not seen it more than once in 100 spins
here is a test i just ran beginning at spin #250 on american zumma
how i play it: if my insurance 0 hits within the 3 spins i wait until the next mini game. because 0 2 3, 1 0 3, 1 2 0, will hurt if we continue and it happens here and again
we have here 25 mini games
i would be done after 4 spins here. 2 mini games and i goto the next table. maybe even ONE. one mini game NEXT table. who knows, who cares just dont stay
in the 25 mini games we had one loss of 1 2 3. ouch. not so bad.
had we arrived one spin earlier or 1 spin later we would have completely avoided that 123
see it is important for the insurance 0. it saved 2 mini games
one game had 0 2 3. big save there, thank you zero. 0 hit. sit out next 2 spins wait for next mini game
once again this test shows expect 1 2 3 once every 75 spins
the question is how to COMPLETELY avoid it
since 1 2 3 will repeat (123123) one time every 2,000 spins (on average) if we hit the 123 and lose the 1 3 9 progression, now we can get aggressive and recover it quickly with larger units.......
So you are betting continously with 3 spin mini games?
This is the unit level I would be using for the 3 spin mini games. 10 30 90, with 1 3 8 as insurance on zero at each level. This way if the zero hits it is a bonus. 15 25 and 20 profit on each level. There is obviously an overhead on each win on the dozens as well, but in this case I think it is worth it.
If you use GLC's progression ideas with the different levels of progression you would need to recaculate the insurance amounts to compensate.
Quote from: button on Nov 17, 08:29 PM 2015
So you are betting continously with 3 spin mini games?
This is the unit level I would be using for the 3 spin mini games. 10 30 90, with 1 3 8 as insurance on zero at each level. This way if the zero hits it is a bonus. 15 25 and 20 profit on each level. There is obviously an overhead on each win on the dozens as well, but in this case I think it is worth it.
If you use GLC's progression ideas with the different levels of progression you would need to recaculate the insurance amounts to compensate.
How i play it is this:
When i arrive to table i bet against dozen 1. If i win i sit out the next 2 spins and wait for the next 3 spin "mini game"
If i lose i then immediately bet against dozen 2. If i win i sit out the next spin and wait for the next 3 spin mini game.
If i lose i immediately bet against dozen 3
With 0 i bet just enough to break even. Or a little profit.
How can we improve it?
Lets say we arrive to table and the last decision was dozen 2. Can we start there and bet against 3 1 2 occuring? If we arrive and dozen 1 was the last decision can we use that as a starting point and bet against 2 3 1 occuring.
Should we continuously bet against 1 2 3 with no mini game at all? And on any win whatsoever we start over and bet against dozen 1 again? Bet against 1 lose. Bet against 2 win. Reset. Bet against 1 win. Reset. Bet against 1 lose. Bet against 2 win, reset. Bet against 1. Etc
Hi,
I am new to this, however on single zero live online wheels my testing shows 1 - 2 -3 came up 22 times in just under 900 spins which in my mind makes this unprofitable.
I've attached my results - not all instances fall in the '3 mini game' groups but there are enough to worry about hitting them depending on when your mini game starts.
What is also worrying is the number of times 1- 2 -3 -1 -2 comes up as well which makes standard progression for dozens a scary place to play if you took it outside the '3 mini game' model.
It sounds like the non - European wheels are throwing out completely different results which is interesting.
Anyone have any thoughts or comments.
Regards
Nick
Hey nick
I understand the scary thought of a progression on double dozens.
However saying this is not profitable is incorrect. That will mislead people.
Raymanz tested 66,000 euro spins and
123 showed 831 times
What does that mean? 1 time every 79 spins on average
Normy tested it as well on euro and saw it 1 time every 60 to 200 spins on average. See his graphs in previous pages
I test on american and see on average 1 time every 75 spins. See my previous charts
Not profitable? Re-think that
Play it correctly and its a winner
On every single test i have done, playing 2 mini games and leaving or switching tables is pretty much a guarantee
Test it more and if you like it hopefully you find a way to play it that you like.
Dont sit at the same table long enough to hit a 123. Couple of game and move
Okay, fair comment RG - my testing has always been based on groups of 50 spins per wheel - I've not tried jumping after a couple of wins. (There is still an element of luck that you don't start a new session just before a 1 - 2 - 3 instance hits.)
My 'unprofitable' comment was based on trying to find a system that can ride these loses whilst playing on the same wheel.
Regards
Nick
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Nov 18, 09:33 AM 2015
Okay, fair comment RG - my testing has always been based on groups of 50 spins per wheel - I've not tried jumping after a couple of wins. (There is still an element of luck that you don't start a new session just before a 1 - 2 - 3 instance hits.)
My 'unprofitable' comment was based on trying to find a system that can ride these loses whilst playing on the same wheel.
Regards
Nick
We are all smart people here
With a system that fails one time every 70 or so spins im sure we can make it profitable
Only thing thats better then failing every 70 spins is advantage play?
I'll put it to you like this
If we cant make a bet selection work that only loses once every 70 spins on average, then there is something VERY wrong
This is gold!
Keep in mind. On a win stop betting. Commence again at next 3 spin mini game
If you win at 3 units betting against dozen 2 stop wait till 3 spin mini game is over then start again
I still believe a Random or Sector Based Selection of 12/24 Numbers has a higher hitrate. Need to test it.
Also working on a combination with anothrr bet to cut it down to 13 Numbers total. Like last hit was low bet only the high numbers from the Selection.maybe i can program a little tracker in excel. Stay tuned. Very interesting thread!!!
Quote from: RFMAXX on Nov 18, 02:14 PM 2015
I still believe a Random or Sector Based Selection of 12/24 Numbers has a higher hitrate. Need to test it.
Also working on a combination with anothrr bet to cut it down to 13 Numbers total. Like last hit was low bet only the high numbers from the Selection.maybe i can program a little tracker in excel. Stay tuned. Very interesting thread!!!
RFMAXX if you come up with a version like u mentioned on sectors please post it and ill gladly test it
Thanks!
32,15,19,4,21,2,25,17,34,6,27,13,36,11,30,8,23,10,5,24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9,22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26
3, 2, 2, 1, 2, 1, 3, 2, 3, 1, 3, 2, 3, 1, 3, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 1, 2, 2, 3, 1, 2, 2, 3, 1, 3, 1, 3, 1, 3
Could be an idea to see the distribution of the dozens, would show where the ball is favouring, if favours section 31 to 32, half the 3rd doz are sitting there,if lost 1,2 and hitting here, could be the dreaded 1,2,3
I see notto good point. However your example still wins everytime hehebehe
Rich
The above is the wheel layout and the dozen it is in.
As said section 31/32 has half the 3rd dozen plus the zero, so if the ball is hitting here and going for spin 3, could be why 1, 2, 3 hits
I see what you are saying
Wow i didnt realize that was the wheel layout oops
Quote from: KCIN012 on Nov 17, 08:39 AM 2015
Hi everyone
I have been on this site for a long time and I probable don't contribute very much,
But just a thought, why not wait for dozen 1 and 2 too show then bet dozen 1 and 2.
as by reading the other posts 3 is unlikely to follow.
In the unlikely event that it does wait for dozen 1 and 2 to show again and just do a marty.
just an idea
regards Nick.
here is a test i did with a twist
this is the same sequence i tested last night compliments of KCIN012
the twist:
bet against a pattern completing.
if you have 12 now bet against 3 one time only (betting against 123)
if you have 32 now bet against 1 one time only (betting against a 321)
if you have 21 now bet against 3 one time only (betting against a 213
if you have 23 now bet against 1 one time only (betting against a 231)
along these lines, hope you understand
139 progression
similar idea, no mini games, just straight bettingsee attached chart. 139 works. and should always work with this style
why? because we arent just betting against 123 completing we are betting against it repeating ONE TIME and also betting against other sequences completing.
you would have to be Mr. Unlucky if you saw more then 2 sequences completing back to back
this is for straight sequences, not jumbled. 123, 321, 231, 312 etc
edit: looking at the chart i missed a few, might be better off just doing this tweak on 123 and/or 321. my first time testing this way and rushing i noticed i missed many, but you get the idea. bet against 123 and 321 from completing just o make it simpler and forget the other combosor we can just play the original method:
3 spin mini games, on a win at any point of the 1 39 stop and wait until next 3 spin sequence
game 1- bet against 1 2 3
game 2- bet against 3 2 1
REPEAT
by the way last nights test chart would have all winners and no losers had I alternated the mini games between 123 and 321my head hurts
A thought. Since 1 2 3 happens every 70 spins on average we can wait for 1 2 and then use a single dozen progression for betting on dozen 3...for those who want a light progression
RG, how's this coming? I see you've posted several different variations to this, but are you still having success with the 1-2-3 pattern and 1-3-9 mini game series?
I am and am still intrigued by this. Maybe it's time to start coming up with bankrolls and buy-in amounts?
It holds up great
Im testing other variations but i like the original
I played with $10 units $300 bankroll
After winning 1 or 2 mini games switched tables
I tested european and saw 1 2 3 more then i do on american
why more, perhaps the distribution on 00 wheel is better.
I've asked before, why did they change from the 00 wheel to euro wheel, perhaps the blanc bro's found a fault with the 00,
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 19, 03:21 PM 2015
why more, perhaps the distribution on 00 wheel is better.
I've asked before, why did they change from the 00 wheel to euro wheel, perhaps the blanc bro's found a fault with the 00,
Must be due to wheel layout
Unless the spielbank set i saw was an anomaly
Hi,
Here are a couple of ways to pick your '3 spin mini bet' that's working well for me at the moment.
1/
Wait for six spins and then bet against the last of those three spins repeating - keep a rolling record and always keep six spins in arrears:-
Spins 1 3 2 3 3 1 1 1 3 2 3 1 2 2 3 3 2 3 1 2 3
Bet against 1 3 2 3 3 1 1 1 3 2 3 1 2 2 3 3 2 3 1 2 3
Keeping six in arrears all the time makes sure you do not fall foul of the long 'same dozen' runs.
2/
Wait for 1 2 3 to come up and then immediate bet against it happening again.
Hope that helps - if not at least it's food for thought.
Nick
- the idea behind the six spin gap is to take into account any long runs of the same dozen taking us out.
Hi RG
after a look at the dozen distribution around the 00 wheel you can see 1,2,3 is scattered around the layout,the single 0 layout has 2,1,3 scattered around.
So perhaps the euro we should play 2,1,3
Notto. We think alike. I was thinking maybe another combo would suit euro better.
Lets test 2 1 3 for euro
Thanks
Are we definitely playing mini games of 3, with L,L stop 1-1,3-3 or go for 9-9
However u are comfortable
When i played saturday i did 1-1 2-2 6-6.
I played all 3 spins of a mini game if i lose the 1st 2
As been mentioned Turbo way seems to hold up if playing mini 3 game.
I tried it but I found the previous three repeating more than I had liked
Maybe on European its better
Im curious to see. I mean i wouldnt play it unless i was 100 percent certain. But im curious on a euro wheel betting against last 4 dozen outcomes with 1 3 9 27
More testing must be done on columns
The one time i tested columns A B C happened one time in 100 spins
I will test A B C columns on euro and american this weekend
Is better to use the past three and bet on a rolling basis with three levels with GLC progression.
12 in a row happens once every 500.000 trails.
In 500.000 trails one dozen hit 13 times and all other 5 location did never reach 12 times in a row - pretty good odds.
Quote from: ego on Nov 21, 03:52 AM 2015
Is better to use the past three and bet on a rolling basis with three levels with GLC progression.
12 in a row happens once every 500.000 trails.
In 500.000 trails one dozen hit 13 times and all other 5 location did never reach 12 times in a row - pretty good odds.
Hey ego
Good idea
Which of GLC progressions do you recommend? The one found here in this thread?
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Hope in the right place
What is the longest seen or know off the dozens repeating like 1,2,3 1,2,3 or 1,3,2 1,3,2. or same pattern of the dozens
Could we see the pattern for say max of 9 spins or ?
for got asked this question, did this inspire 1,2,3
Notto. Great minds think alike
ONETASTE AND NOTTO THANK YOU
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Im in contact with a member here
Who will remain nameless
Anyway, profit in the thousands
By doing this
- wait until 1 2 happens then bet against 3 showing
- wait until 3 2 happens then bet against 1 showing
Progression 1 3 9
Said memeber has played many sessions with large units big profits
You guys better look harder at this, it is a HG.
Im not kidding. Look at this!
More testers.......
This will be forgotten and its ashame but you guys better see the gold here!
1 bet after each trigger
YES triggers can and do work. Thats the truth!
If you play with above tweak it is damn near impossible to lose. You will average 1 to 2 triggers an hour
In 60k spins 123 repeats back to back once every 2000 spins so 1 3 9 is full proof. Zero is a MUST
...........
Personally i still practice and play every spin with 1 3 9 against 1 2 3 showing
But if you have time and can wait waiting for 1 2 to happen or 3 2 to happen is very beneficial
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 23, 01:43 PM 2015
If you play with above tweak it is damn near impossible to lose. You will average 1 to 2 triggers an hour
In 60k spins 123 repeats back to back once every 2000 spins so 1 3 9 is full proof. Zero is a MUST
...........
Personally i still practice and play every spin with 1 3 9 against 1 2 3 showing
But if you have time and can wait waiting for 1 2 to happen or 3 2 to happen is very beneficial
American and Euro Wheels?
Will columns work as well?
Thanks! :)
American and euro
In my short euro test 1 2 3 showed more then american but the person that messaged me plays euro
I tested columns once and i saw 1 loss in 100 spins so more testing needed because it may be just as good or better
My next several tests will be columns
Is it better then 2-1-3 or 1-3-2 ?
Rich have you tested it on Albalaha opening 185 screen shot, in real spins
No only american zumma and american wheels
But after work i will
First one in the thread do you mean?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 23, 01:43 PM 2015
If you play with above tweak it is damn near impossible to lose. You will average 1 to 2 triggers an hour
In 60k spins 123 repeats back to back once every 2000 spins so 1 3 9 is full proof. Zero is a MUST
...........
Personally i still practice and play every spin with 1 3 9 against 1 2 3 showing
But if you have time and can wait waiting for 1 2 to happen or 3 2 to happen is very beneficial
Rich
32-3
0-0
7-1
9-1
11-1
0-0
26-3
23-2 heres trig bet2-3
4-1 lost
23-2
15-2
31-3
5-1
34-3
5-1
13-2 trig bet 1-2
36-3 lost
19-2
These are Albalaha screen shot 185 spins from real spins.
But with the prog still win,are we looking to play this as well as the 3 mini game
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 23, 02:39 PM 2015
Rich
32-3
0-0
7-1
9-1
11-1
0-0
26-3
23-2 heres trig bet2-3
4-1 lost
23-2
15-2
31-3
5-1
34-3
5-1
13-2 trig bet 1-2
36-3 lost
19-2
These are Albalaha screen shot 185 spins from real spins.
But with the prog still win,are we looking to play this as well as the 3 mini game
Yes. The trigger the person is using is when 1 2 happens bet against 3 ONCE. If 3 2 happens bet against 1 ONCE
Im playing 3 spin mini games myself
Seeing 1 2 3 once every hundred spins the odds are IN MY FAVOR
so next is 9-9
36-3 lost
19-2 is this trig, bet against 1 with 2-3 for 9-9
3-1 lost
1,2,3 mini game looks better
Rich
I like 1,2,3 mini game,playing along side KTF
You play it the wrong way.
Use groups of 3 spins...
3 32 21 <- lost
3 2 12
25 8 30
1 25 1 <- won
sometime later
I would also use a seperate progression for every combo.
12 bet against 3
13 bet against 2
21 bet against 3
23 bet against 1
31 bet against 2
32 bet against 1
11 bet against 1
22 bet against 2
33 bet against 3
So you need 9 bankroll of 26 units... You just need to keep track of what combo lost. So when it comes again you know what to bet.
Just keep the spins in groups of 3 else it wont work like i should.
I still need to look at ktf
Im on my phone right now i havent had a second to sit
I need to look at that
Then extensively test this thing on columns
Also id like to try to bet against 1 2 3 on dozens and columns at the same time to see what happens
Bet 1: dozen 2 and 3 / columns B and C
Bet 2: dozen 1 and 3 / columns A and C
Bet 3: dozen 1 and 2 / columns A and B
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 23, 03:11 PM 2015
You play it the wrong way.
Use groups of 3 spins...
3 32 21 <- lost
3 2 12
25 8 30
1 25 1 <- won
sometime later
I would also use a seperate progression for every combo.
12 bet against 3
13 bet against 2
21 bet against 3
23 bet against 1
31 bet against 2
32 bet against 1
11 bet against 1
22 bet against 2
33 bet against 3
So you need 9 bankroll of 26 units... You just need to keep track of what combo lost. So when it comes again you know what to bet.
Just keep the spins in groups of 3 else it wont work like i should.
I wouldnt say the "wrong" way. But definitely a different way.
I will try this
Thanks
One bet after each trigger u have mentioned. On loss 1 3 9. However to have 3 losses in a row after 3 triggers. UNLIKELY. Good job
I have had a steady climb playing waiting for doz1 ,doz2,then betting against 3 appearing.
On live play.
Also did well on rng until loosers started to appear.
But that's rng.
Live is still climbing steady.
Not played 3,2, then bet against 1 yet.
Maybe will try later.
Nick
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 18, 02:02 PM 2015
I'll put it to you like this
If we cant make a bet selection work that only loses once every 70 spins on average, then there is something VERY wrong
This is gold!
Keep in mind. On a win stop betting. Commence again at next 3 spin mini game
If you win at 3 units betting against dozen 2 stop wait till 3 spin mini game is over then start again
You say it loses once in every 70 spins....do you mean once every 23 mini spin sets or once in 210 wheel spins? (70 mini games)
Quote from: Gravydownshirt on Nov 23, 03:28 PM 2015
You say it loses once in every 70 spins....do you mean once every 23 mini spin sets or once in 210 wheel spins? (70 mini games)
Anywhere between 50 and 100 spins expect to see 1 2 3 occur
I see it once every 24 mini games or so which is on average 72 spins
I try to limit my exposure in real play. 2 wins switch tables. Debatable if that helps thoufh
What are you testing it on RG.
Nick
This method has to be a loser then if you win 23 units on the 23 winning games but lose 26 units on the 24th game.
Quote from: Gravydownshirt on Nov 23, 03:40 PM 2015
This method has to be a loser then if you win 23 units on the 23 winning games but lose 26 units on the 24th game.
If you cannot make a system work that loses one time in 70 spins then maybe roulettes not for you. Or you need to mold your own money managament
Quote from: KCIN012 on Nov 23, 03:36 PM 2015
What are you testing it on RG.
Nick
American zumma
American airball
Played real wheel european and american airball with success
Local casino has 3 euro wheels
Ok thanks RG
Will have to try American wheel.
Nick
Quote from: KCIN012 on Nov 23, 04:02 PM 2015
Ok thanks RG
Will have to try American wheel.
Nick
Works fine on euro to
That's what I'm playing at the moment euro wheel live.
Nick
I'm about £70 up since Friday.
Nick
Quote from: KCIN012 on Nov 23, 04:07 PM 2015
That's what I'm playing at the moment euro wheel live.
Nick
I'm about £70 up since Friday.
Nick
Just so you know. Your tweak made someone here thousands.....thanks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 23, 03:49 PM 2015
If you cannot make a system work that loses one time in 70 spins then maybe roulettes not for you. Or you need to mold your own money managament
I could see it working if you could predict exactly when the losing spins were going to occur. Then avoid betting on them....
But you cant so no matter what money management you have the odds are always against.
Good for them
Is it a forum member?
Nick
Quote from: KCIN012 on Nov 23, 04:16 PM 2015
Good for them
Is it a forum member?
Nick
It is indeed
They bet with 100 euro. After 1 2 against 3 and after 3 2 against 1
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 23, 04:19 PM 2015
It is indeed
They bet with 100 euro. After 1 2 against 3 and after 3 2 against 1
How come not....
After 1 3 against the 2 ?
All these runs have the same chance of hitting & this way he could bet more often ?
O0
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 23, 03:22 PM 2015
I wouldnt say the "wrong" way. But definitely a different way.
I will try this
Thanks
One bet after each trigger u have mentioned. On loss 1 3 9. However to have 3 losses in a row after 3 triggers. UNLIKELY. Good job
Just stay with 9 on 3 losses in a row on a combo. It will recover. I did some tests.
Don't mix your progression with the combo's. That will kill it!
Quote from: ddarko on Nov 23, 04:24 PM 2015
How come not....
After 1 3 against the 2 ?
All these runs have the same chance of hitting & this way he could bet more often ?
O0
Your right! Does not matter what combo you bet. Just dont mix them! One bankroll for every combo!
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 23, 04:37 PM 2015
Your right! Does not matter what combo you bet. Just dont mix them! One bankroll for every combo!
thxs for replying Ray, Erm.... what does "just don't mix them" mean pls ?
thxs :thumbsup:
O0
If combo 213 is a loss.
213 - loss
Now combo 312 shows up
312 - loss
Dont bet 3 units in 312 combo. Its not the same combo. Every combo has it own progression. So just bet 1 unit.
Now 213 shows again.
Bet now 3 units because combo 213 had a loss earlier.
211 - win
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 23, 04:36 PM 2015
Just stay with 9 on 3 losses in a row on a combo. It will recover. I did some tests.
Don't mix your progression with the combo's. That will kill it!
Couldnt agree more
That 1 in 70 spins hurts
Stay at 9 for 3 games afterwards to recover. And u will recover
If u hit the table at the time 1 2 3 happens youll have to recover
It shouldnt get to that point often if ever
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 23, 04:46 PM 2015
If combo 213 is a loss.
213 - loss
Now combo 312 shows up
312 - loss
Dont bet 3 units in 312 combo. Its not the same combo. Every combo has it own progression. So just bet 1 unit.
Now 213 shows again.
Bet now 3 units because combo 213 had a loss earlier.
211 - win
Right, so your using a different bankroll for each combination ? Is that correct ?
If so what's the BR (for each combo) and progression, assuming you are using a progression pls?
Thxs :thumbsup:
O0
EDIT : I don't know if this is the case but are you betting every spin Ray ?
i would suggest a 100 units bankroll for each combo. Just to stay save. Also a safety bet on the zero. Just to cover your bets. It will pay off in the long run.
Use a leveller progression of 1 3 9.
When you hit the 9 just stay on it till it recovers. Shouldn't take that long.
In the test i ran it's a winning method. And if you can play all the 9 combo you don't have to wait long. You could even make it 18 combo if you use the columns too. Same results.
Okay thxs for explaining that to me :thumbsup:
Sooooooo testing wise can we get some stats pls ?
spins tested for
Number of sessions
profit
biggest drawdown
That kinda thing ?
Thxs :thumbsup:
O0
Just ran a quick test using about 200 spins from some old Wiesebaden notes :
Using 1-3-9 it loses overall (this is always a bad omen when I can find a loser right out of the gate........seen this too many times)
Totals (123) : -13
Totals (321) : +06
However, it wins with a cancellation system (I used a standard Labouchere line). Largest bet 7-7.
***Note that it loses with the Labby strategy that I've used in the past, so be sure to use a standard line (EX. 1-1 / next bet 2 / 1-1-2-2 / next bet 3....etc)***
Total bets combined = 34
Most losses in a row = 5
Quote from: ddarko on Nov 23, 04:59 PM 2015
Okay thxs for explaining that to me :thumbsup:
Sooooooo testing wise can we get some stats pls ?
spins tested for
Number of sessions
profit
biggest drawdown
That kinda thing ?
Thxs :thumbsup:
O0
if u read the pages
i posted several charts i hand tested from zumma
raymazz posted stats on page 4 or 5 i think for 60,000 spins
and you have spielbank ;)
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 23, 06:19 PM 2015
Just ran a quick test using about 200 spins from some old Wiesebaden notes :
Using 1-3-9 it loses overall (this is always a bad omen when I can find a loser right out of the gate........seen this too many times)
Totals (123) : -13
Totals (321) : +06
However, it wins with a cancellation system (I used a standard Labouchere line). Largest bet 7-7.
***Note that it loses with the Labby strategy that I've used in the past, so be sure to use a standard line (EX. 1-1 / next bet 2 / 1-1-2-2 / next bet 3....etc)***
Total bets combined = 34
Most losses in a row = 5
what do you mean 5 losses in a row?
that would be a series of 123123123123123.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 23, 07:32 PM 2015
if u read the pages
i posted several charts i hand tested from zumma
raymazz posted stats on page 4 or 5 i think for 60,000 spins
and you have spielbank ;)
Ray's playing a different way no ?
I'd like to know his results ;)
Your data just showed how many times a certain combination hit in 10,000 spins correct ?
If that is correct, it doesn't tell me the profits or a biggest drawdown does it ?
That's what I'm interested in......
O0
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 23, 07:33 PM 2015
what do you mean 5 losses in a row?
that would be a series of 123123123123123.
I thought that you were only betting for a finish of 1-2 or 3-2 (separate bets).
So the 5 losses were for finishing the sequence, thus losing 5 finishes in a row (also included a zero loss as well).
How are you dealing with a loss such as 1-2-3? Betting for the next spin to be 1 or wait for the next sequence to form?
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 23, 07:55 PM 2015
I thought that you were only betting for a finish of 1-2 or 3-2 (separate bets).
So the 5 losses were for finishing the sequence, thus losing 5 finishes in a row (also included a zero loss as well).
How are you dealing with a loss such as 1-2-3? Betting for the next spin to be 1 or wait for the next sequence to form?
oh i understand now i see what you mean
well
with the original bet against 1 2 3 from occuring i just bet with 1 3 9. on a win i reset to 1 and wait until the next 3 spin mini game
in the event 123 happens id would increase my stakes to recover quickly
im thinking positive as in i just wont hit a 1 2 3
you have to hit the table at exactly the right time
if i had a casino to play with low stakes and not usch high minimums id play with $1 stakes
1 3 9
if lose that (once about 70 spins)
then
27 81 243
reset back to 1 after 2 wins
but i just cant do that at a $10 minimum per dozen table
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 23, 08:00 PM 2015
oh i understand now i see what you mean
well
with the original bet against 1 2 3 from occuring i just bet with 1 3 9. on a win i reset to 1 and wait until the next 3 spin mini game
in the event 123 happens id would increase my stakes to recover quickly
im thinking positive as in i just wont hit a 1 2 3
you have to hit the table at exactly the right time
Using that method, then the most losses in a row is 4 (1-2-3-1).
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 23, 08:06 PM 2015
Using that method, then the most losses in a row is 4 (1-2-3-1).
what we are doing is 3 spin sessions
so at any point you win stop and wait until the 3 spins finish
i am interested in raymaz way im going to look into that
Quote from: ddarko on Nov 23, 07:42 PM 2015
Ray's playing a different way no ?
I'd like to know his results ;)
Your data just showed how many times a certain combination hit in 10,000 spins correct ?
If that is correct, it doesn't tell me the profits or a biggest drawdown does it ?
That's what I'm interested in......
O0
Here the stats from 66k spins. Ignoring the zero because we place a safety bet on it.
Bankroll: 13048
Highest: 13112
Largest down: 153
Bets placed: 21755
Here some stats from a sessions i played on 13 nov. -+ 900 spins.
Bankroll: 184
Highest: 188
Largest down: 53
Bets placed: 287
RayManZ, if I am reading the stats correct in the first test of 66k spins and after placing 21755 bets you are ahead 64 units and in the second test of 900+- spins and placing 287 bets you are ahead 4 units. Is this flat betting?
Not correct. Starting bankroll is 0.
The stats are from the end of the session.
13048units profit on 66k spins.
OK, that changes the result a lot, much better. Was it flat betting or using a progression?
just read my posts in this thread. I already posted how i play this.
RG
Do you want such a bet selection that hit 3 times in row 123 ?
Here we go :
You need to hit 9 different streets , then :
street / group
3 1
6 2
1 3
11 1
5 2
9 3
4 1
12 2
7 3
Here we have 3 streets in each group so 9 numbers for now, then add to each
group one street (from the 3 remained/ unhit streets) no matter which where .
Now you have 3 *dozen* in formation 123/123/123 , bet against 123 again .
Use Leveller ( 1,2,4, 8 ) or ( 1,2,6) .
cheers
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 24, 04:35 AM 2015
Not correct. Starting bankroll is 0.
The stats are from the end of the session.
13048units profit on 66k spins.
I understand how you play. After a win or a loss do you sit out a spin to see what pattern forms or do you continue betting on a rolling basis
play in groups of 3.
32 2 25
8 14 9
So you wait 2 spins to know what to bet.
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 24, 06:41 AM 2015
play in groups of 3.
32 2 25
8 14 9
So you wait 2 spins to know what to bet.
Ok
Quote from: button on Nov 24, 05:04 AM 2015
OK, that changes the result a lot, much better. Was it flat betting or using a progression?
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 24, 05:09 AM 2015
just read my posts in this thread. I already posted how i play this.
Ray is it to much to type your method of betting
Is it to much work to just read a few pages of posts? It's already in here...
thxs for getting back to me Ray :thumbsup:
O0
Hi Ray,
System makes sense to me - one quick question are 'you playing/all your test results' on single or double zero wheels?
Thanks
Nick
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Nov 24, 10:06 AM 2015
Hi Ray,
System makes sense to me - one quick question are 'you playing/all your test results' on single or double zero wheels?
Thanks
Nick
I assume rays 60 thousand test was euro
Mines american
However ive played both
Thanks RG.
Are you playing the original 1 2 3 combo or one of Ray's suggested nine?
Nick
I played once real money
3 spin mini games against 1 2 3
To be honest i havent had time to test rays
Ill be back at it after thanksgiving
I dont want to gamble anymore
I lost enough money in the past
Going forward no more gambling. I must be sure
Thats why i played 1 2 3. I am sure about it. I dont see it as gambling
Im hoping to see good results with rays after this weekend
Celtic casino last night, fun money
Betting against the last 3, flat bet 1st spin only
1 27-3
2 19-2
3 13-2 bet against 3
1 14-2 win
2 23-2
3 26-3 bet against 2
1 30-3 win
2 13-2
3 2-1 bet against 3
1 35-3 lose
2 32-3
3 8-1 bet against 3
1 17-2 win
2 27-3
3 34-3 bet against 2
1 9-1 win
2 7-1
3 32-3 bet against 1
1 30-3 win
2 23-2
3 8-1 bet against 3
1 29-3 lose
2 5-1
3 22-2 bet against 3
1 18-2 win
2 6-1
3 17-2 bet against 2
1 5-1 win
2 32-3
3 5-1 bet against 1
1 11-1 lose
2 18-2
3 36-3 bet against 1
1 13-2 win
2 31-3
3 24-2 bet against 2
1 19-2 lose
2 6-1
3 29-3 bet against 2
1 30-3 win
2 28-3
3 21-2 bet against 3
1 29-3 lose
2 6-1
3 14-2 bet against 3
1 5-1 win
2 33-3
3 20-2 bet against 1
1 18-2 win
2 36-3
3 16-2 bet against 2
1 19-2 lose
2 23-2
3 25-3 bet against 2
1 26-3 win
2 2-1
3 36-3 bet against 3
1 24-2 win
2 3-1
3 31-3
Just ran NH's version on 200 spins from Wiesbaden :
W/L Chart:
LWWWWWLWWLLLWLWWWWWWLLWWWWWWWWLWWLLWWLWWWLWLWWLWWWWLWW
W= 38
L = 16
Using standard Labouchere system :
Highest bet = 12 (5-5)
Total : +22 units over 200 spins
So many variations. Head spinning
Betting against 1 2 3 only lose once there notto
More profit and u can get out faster. 20 percent win goal
Out long before 123
Wiesbaden Table #2 - 14.11.2015 #185 Spins
WWWWLWWLWWWWWWLLWWWLWWWWWLWWWWWWLWWWWLLWWWWWLWLWLLWLLWWWLLWLW
Wins : 43
Losses : 18 (-36 flat betting)
Labouchere Total : +21 units
Highest Bet : 10(5-5)
***Another betting option would be flat betting until behind a certain amount, then increase +1 unit til ahead***
Wiesbaden Table #4 - 14.11.2015 #101 Spins
WWWWWWWLWWLLWLWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWLWWW
Wins : 26
Losses : 07 (-14 flat betting)
Flat Total : +12 units
Labouchere Total : +19 units
Highest Bet : 6 (3-3)
What strategy
Wiesbaden Table #5 - 14.11.2015 #312 Spins
WLLWWWWLWWLWWLWLWLLWWLWWLLLWLLWWWWWWWWWWWWLLWWLWLLWLLWWWWLLLWWLWLLLLLWWWWLWLWLWLLLLWWLWWWWWWWWWWLW
Wins : 59
Losses : 39 (-78 flat betting)
Flat Bet : -19 units
Labouchere Total : XXXXXXXRecovers, but swing is way to big (1-70 units)XXXXXXXXXX
Labouchere Fails
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 24, 05:30 PM 2015
Wiesbaden Table #5 - 14.11.2015 #312 Spins
WLLWWWWLWWLWWLWLWLLWWLWWLLLWLLWWWWWWWWWWWWLLWWLWLLWLLWWWWLLLWWLWLLLLLWWWWLWLWLWLLLLWWLWWWWWWWWWWLW
Wins : 59
Losses : 39 (-78 flat betting)
Flat Bet : -19 units
Labouchere Total : XXXXXXXRecovers, but swing is way to big (1-70 units)XXXXXXXXXX
Labouchere Fails
Good evening the Law
in reply 248 you mention +1/-1, in the above W/L would it be a winner,where the 5L's are,next is 4 w's, if you kept going 9 l's and 16 w's
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 24, 06:02 PM 2015
Good evening the Law
in reply 248 you mention +1/-1, in the above W/L would it be a winner,where the 5L's are,next is 4 w's, if you kept going 9 l's and 16 w's
Not sure about that, as you could be dropping in anywhere depending on when you approach the table. I would need to see more W/L records to find a particular pattern.
Reply #251 is a good choppy sequence to use as a test. It would not last with the +1/-1 strategy.
The W/L records are the key.........they present overall patterns over long periods of play.
you guys are testing this long term on the same table.......
not my style
and it is why i will win
bet. win. move. bet. win. move. bet win take break. bet win move.
im going away for thanksgiving so wont be on much
theres been different variations ive wanted to test but havent had time....ill be back at it after the holiday
im going to virginia tomorrow and will be on my way back on friday
chance i will stop at atlantic city friday
if i do ill play the 1 2 3 method and report back
Stating the obvious, this method of bet needs one of the dozens to be dorment to succeed.So is the ? when to start betting. If you sit out 3 mini games and say the 2nd dozen is missing, 9 spins. On the 1st bet we need 2 or 3, so as 2 is quiet the 1st bet is reliant on 3rd doz to win,if 1st doz hits we lose,but if 2nd bet is 1 or 3, 2nd is quiet, so a win.
So is watching how the dozens hit beneficial
......and lets not forget our best friend, the zeros.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 02, 10:49 AM 2015
Awesome idea
I can recommend: after 1 or 2 wins switch tables or take a break before the inevitable happens
I'd recommend what unit you are playing with is your win goal, if using 10 units as soon as your 10 units up
STOP, like RG says move on or take a break.Or better still if your trying to supplement your income,what ever your hourly rate of pay is, when reached stop,do what RG says above.
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 24, 06:20 PM 2015
Not sure about that, as you could be dropping in anywhere depending on when you approach the table. I would need to see more W/L records to find a particular pattern.
Reply #251 is a good choppy sequence to use as a test. It would not last with the +1/-1 strategy.
The W/L records are the key.........they present overall patterns over long periods of play.
Hi Law the +1-1 on wis table 5 14.11.15 would lose, but there are places where you can stop and be a winner. Would you be sitting at the table for 312 spins, so as long as +1-1 gets you in front (win goal) then stop.
As always quoted the longer we/you play eventually be a loss
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 24, 08:24 PM 2015
you guys are testing this long term on the same table.......
not my style
and it is why i will win
bet. win. move. bet. win. move. bet win take break. bet win move.
It makes absolutely no difference
If you take a break, the next number is random
If you don't take a break, the next number is random
If you change tables, the next number is random
If you don't change tables, the next number is random
They are what they say they are. Random
Not based on the last spin, or part of some pattern. Not based on anything apart from being random.
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 25, 04:03 PM 2015
Hi Law the +1-1 on wis table 5 14.11.15 would lose, but there are places where you can stop and be a winner. Would you be sitting at the table for 312 spins, so as long as +1-1 gets you in front (win goal) then stop.
As always quoted the longer we/you play eventually be a loss
I always look for continuous play, as I think you can make any bet work on hit-and-run (for a while).
I'll run some more tests over the holidays with more patterns to study! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Nov 25, 04:46 PM 2015
It makes absolutely no difference
If you take a break, the next number is random
If you don't take a break, the next number is random
If you change tables, the next number is random
If you don't change tables, the next number is random
They are what they say they are. Random
Not based on the last spin, or part of some pattern. Not based on anything apart from being random.
Correct Turner. Think of playing as a piece of string. Its ONE long, never ending piece of string.
No better sections of the string and no worse sections of the string, its the same.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Nov 25, 05:50 PM 2015
Correct Turner. Think of playing as a piece of string. Its ONE long, never ending piece of string.
No better sections of the string and no worse sections of the string, its the same.
Ken
Only when you play a part of the string theres going to be good and bad, so the chosen method of play will need to be able to go with the flow,when and if in front, take the profit.
Nobody is arguing, if in profit, LEAVE.
The big issue (imo) jumping from table to table helps you out, it does not. It cant really hurt to jump around (again imo) but it won't HELP.
Ken
I agree with MrJ, if you are going to lose you will, moving tables will not stop that.
We are talking about an event that happens on average once every 70 spins and back to back once every 2 thousand spins
Have the time? Wait until it happens then place your bet. You have 1 in a 2000 chance to lose on average
Thats as close as i see us getting to a holy grail on a mechanical system
It IS random
But i still see a benefit in moving table to table. Win. Move tables. Limit exposure
try to use kimo li's pinwheel and you will be amazed. out of 1140 live spins i only got 2 1-2-3 WTG! onetaste :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: marvin on Nov 26, 10:14 AM 2015
try to use kimo li's pinwheel and you will be amazed. out of 1140 live spins i only got 2 1-2-3 WTG! onetaste :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Im away for the holiday but i will definitely check later. Thanks!
Happy Thanksgiving!
U too if u celebrate!
marvin can you confirm if this is the pinwheel that you used?
1st spin bet against ONE
2nd spin get against TWO
3rd spin bet against THREE
????
yeap! thats the one :thumbsup:
Is there a way to get the chips on the mat faster (w/pinwheel layout)?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 28, 03:28 AM 2015
Is there a way to get the chips on the mat faster (w/pinwheel layout)?
aside from the one attached by RG, i dont think so.
after a couple of tries you will get used to it :)
Hi all guys!
First, I feel kinda guilty to all people who contribute to this forum and this thread in particular, so I cannot just be nonparticipant and contribute by myself as well.
1. Out of all strategies this one works the most. Probably closest to so called "Holy Grail".
2. I play on airball roulette, European layout. Coz it is much faster than "normal" one . 1 spin every minute. So it fits me more - not really patient.
3. Betting units 25$ each time. Bankroll 750$
4. I play against 1-2-3 sequence + against previous sequence. As for "against sequences" here Raymanz did testing 9 main sequences to play against: 123: 831
132
213
231
312
321
111
222
333
but in my personal opinion it's better to avoid 111 111, 222 222, 333 333 - happens abnormally often. So I just play 111 123, 222 123, 333 123.
5. Playing session not more than 1 hour. Never bet every spin.
6. So far I did well. Last 3 days won 1200$. Didn't lose single time. Yet.
PS sorry for english (not my first language) and feel free to ask any questions. You are doing great job here. I have much respect to all of u guys.
Good luck to all.
good stuff jahvinci!
i agree, 111 222 333 happens 38 times in my 1140 live test spins.
what progression u use? you stop on win and wait for next round?
Hi!
In your tests it shows that all 9 sequences are pretty close, but from what I saw 111 111, 222 222, 333 333 happen way more often compare to other one. So I'd rather bet 1-2-3 when one of it appears.
Progression is same 1-3-9. I win most of the spins on my first bet. I guess it was only 2-3 times I got to 9 units bet and won both.
One more important thing, !ALWAYS! safe bet zero. Today I got Mr.Zero on my third step bet and it saved me. Plus I managed to catch "0" 2 more times. So it gave me a good profit. I count 0 win as the game win and just stop.
I prefer to wait for "the best conditions" to bet. If I see that the most of action happens between 1-2 dozen, I prefer do not bet. And yes I play mini games of 3. If it hits on the first step I wait for next 2 numbers and decide bet or not after only.
Columns A-B-C works well as well.
Hi,
Just wanted to give my feedback here in the UK also betting against the 1 - 2 - 3 in 'three spin mini games' - on Betfair online live Euro wheel my target is 5 units per session and then swap to another table - all going well so far.
Weekends I'm getting about 10 sessions a day in but weekdays only 2 or 3 each day (evenings after work).
1 - 2 - 3 does hit but I then increase my stakes for the next few sessions to re coup quickly.
I've not put anything on zero yet - not needed so far on a single zero wheel but out of interest when you play the 1 - 3 - 9 progression how much are you putting on the zero each time?
Nick
Quote from: JahVinci on Nov 29, 01:06 AM 2015
Hi all guys!
First, I feel kinda guilty to all people who contribute to this forum and this thread in particular, so I cannot just be nonparticipant and contribute by myself as well.
1. Out of all strategies this one works the most. Probably closest to so called "Holy Grail".
2. I play on airball roulette, European layout. Coz it is much faster than "normal" one . 1 spin every minute. So it fits me more - not really patient.
3. Betting units 25$ each time. Bankroll 750$
4. I play against 1-2-3 sequence + against previous sequence. As for "against sequences" here Raymanz did testing 9 main sequences to play against: 123: 831
132
213
231
312
321
111
222
333
but in my personal opinion it's better to avoid 111 111, 222 222, 333 333 - happens abnormally often. So I just play 111 123, 222 123, 333 123.
5. Playing session not more than 1 hour. Never bet every spin.
6. So far I did well. Last 3 days won 1200$. Didn't lose single time. Yet.
PS sorry for english (not my first language) and feel free to ask any questions. You are doing great job here. I have much respect to all of u guys.
Good luck to all.
you and I share the exact same thought: this is pretty damn close to a holy grail
the fact that it works on airball is very promising, i had the same results on my local airball machines
how exactly are you playing when you say this: " So I just play 111 123, 222 123, 333 123"
does that mean 1st mini game you bet against 111 occuring, then you bet against 123 from occurring, then you bet against 222 from occuring?
also do you switch machines or stay at the same one?
you are 100% correct about 0. on several occasion you see 1 2 0. dont bet 0? you just lost
good job
thank you!
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 28, 03:28 AM 2015
Is there a way to get the chips on the mat faster (w/pinwheel layout)?
Google "Roulette Auto-Clicker" (or visit norcosoft.com),
can record and replay 5 bet selections.
Can be use in any casino or with Rx software. >:D
Question >> Do we call something a HG if it cant be played at a real CASINO?
Being >> Is there a way to get the chips on the mat faster (w/pinwheel layout)?
Google "Roulette Auto-Clicker" (or visit norcosoft.com),
can record and replay 5 bet selections.
Can be use in any casino or with Rx software.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Nov 29, 10:52 AM 2015
Question >> Do we call something a HG if it cant be played at a real CASINO?
Being >> Is there a way to get the chips on the mat faster (w/pinwheel layout)?
Google "Roulette Auto-Clicker" (or visit norcosoft.com),
can record and replay 5 bet selections.
Can be use in any casino or with Rx software.
Ken
new member jahvinci said the original is close to a HG, the 1 2 3
which can easily be played at a real casino
this is as close as we are going to get to a HG on a mechanical system
you see the results?
original method real casino.....pinwheel variation has to be online...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 29, 10:54 AM 2015
new member jahvinci said the original is close to a HG, the 1 2 3
which can easily be played at a real casino
this is as close as we are going to get to a HG on a mechanical system
you see the results?
original method real casino.....pinwheel variation has to be online...
The obvious main problem here is the recoup after a loss.
You're now down 26 units, thus you need 26 wins to get even without a progression.
This is all assuming that we're talking about playing through, as opposed to hit-and-run, where most "rare-event" strategies look great.
Perhaps something like +1 after a win till you're ahead with stop-loss built in.........1/3/9.......2/6/18......3/9/27....etc. Just an idea, but I'm sure there's another progression better suited for this W/L record. It seems like anything but a slight progression will tank pretty quickly.
Just my $.02 :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 29, 10:54 AM 2015
new member jahvinci said the original is close to a HG, the 1 2 3
which can easily be played at a real casino
this is as close as we are going to get to a HG on a mechanical system
you see the results?
original method real casino.....pinwheel variation has to be online...
Not saying I agree or disagree with you. Thing is, this thread will die out and in a couple months, new threads will pop up with new thoughts for a good method. The cycle never ends. Makes no difference if this here method makes 50K per week, the idea will die out.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Nov 29, 11:09 AM 2015
Not saying I agree or disagree with you. Thing is, this thread will die out and in a couple months, new threads will pop up with new thoughts for a good method. The cycle never ends. Makes no difference if this here method makes 50K per week, the idea will die out.
Ken
well i definitely agree with that
and it is a shame. this is the most simple, best system i have ever seen
but you are right
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 29, 11:08 AM 2015
The obvious main problem here is the recoup after a loss.
You're now down 26 units, thus you need 26 wins to get even without a progression.
This is all assuming that we're talking about playing through, as opposed to hit-and-run, where most "rare-event" strategies look great.
Perhaps something like +1 after a win till you're ahead with stop-loss built in.........1/3/9.......2/6/18......3/9/27....etc. Just an idea, but I'm sure there's another progression better suited for this W/L record. It seems like anything but a slight progression will tank pretty quickly.
Just my $.02 :thumbsup:
you are right
the recoup is not fun
the people here that i know are playing this are way up, when the inevitable 123 happens in their sessions they will still be ahead
i think the name of the game here is limit the sessions to 2 or 3 mini games and take a good break or switch tables. which people will say does not matter but i think it does
theres other ways to play it to.....you dont have to bet against 123 every mini games...jahvinci had some good ideas
i hope he elaborates on how exactly he plays hes got my interest
what makes this strategy so special is that the progression works
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 29, 11:11 AM 2015
well i definitely agree with that
and it is a shame. this is the most simple, best system i have ever seen
but you are right
When it happens (and it will), you must have thick skin about it. There have been a few methods I posted that do DAMN well but few talk about. My advice...dont take it personal. Solution? Post less methods, saves you tons of time, trust me.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Nov 29, 11:16 AM 2015
When it happens (and it will), you must have thick skin about it. There have been a few methods I posted that do DAMN well but few talk about. My advice...dont take it personal. Solution? Post less methods, saves you tons of time, trust me.
Ken
all credit goes to onetaste here...i just believed in it
im sure your systems are great. i just believe in simplicity and betting right away
i actually agree with thelaw, :'(
the DD is just too huge that it could eat up our previous winnings or more.
RG, if you have time. kindly test this out. its giving me a very very good result so far. been testing this for 3 days now and haven't lost.
This is FLAT BET so the issue that thelaw pointed out will somehow negated.
Against 1:
0, 15-18, 18-21,21-24,20-23,17,13-16,19,27-30,26-29,28-31,34 = 12u
Against 2:
0-2, 4-9(3u), 12,10,30-39,26-29,26-25,34,32-36(2u) = 12u
Against 3:
0-1,3-6,4-8(3u),11,15-18, 18-21,21-24,23,14-17,22 = 12u
marvin
on this what are you doing? on spin 1 bet 2 and 3?:
Against 1:
0, 15-18, 18-21,21-24,20-23,17,13-16,19,27-30,26-29,28-31,34 = 12u
Against 2:
0-2, 4-9(3u), 12,10,30-39,26-29,26-25,34,32-36(2u) = 12u
Against 3:
0-1,3-6,4-8(3u),11,15-18, 18-21,21-24,23,14-17,22 = 12u
@RG
on spin 1 bet "Against 1"
on spin 2 bet "Against 2"
on spin 3 bet "Against 3"
If we play the original 1 2 3 wee expect to lose 1 mini game per 70 to 100 spins
Thats a couple of hours time
Thats why winning and moving tables is important
Also. Im not worried about the draw down
If i play with 10 base unit and lose steps 1 3 9 which i will once every 1 to 2 hours i would then up my base bet to 50 and in 4 mini games im back where i was. And id feel confident doing that because ive NEVER seen 1 2 3 more then once per 100 spins
So i believe drawdown doesnt effect this method because it is so solid
If the bet selection is strong and wins then an aggressive progression will recoup for 4 mini games
If you dont have the bankroll to bet that high this is in my opinion the best way
$1 minimum table. Reputable online casino or air ball
1 3 9 with â,¬1 £1 $1 base bets
You will make $60 £60 â,¬60 an hour
When 1 2 3 comes you will be down $26 â,¬26 £26
So the next mini game up it to $25 â,¬25 £25 units and in 1 mini game you are back in profit
That is the infalliable way to play this
Play small then big for 1 or 2 mini games to recoup. Easy enough with small units
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 29, 01:11 PM 2015
If you dont have the bankroll to bet that high this is in my opinion the best way
$1 minimum table. Reputable online casino or air ball
1 3 9 with â,¬1 £1 $1 base bets
You will make $60 £60 â,¬60 an hour
When 1 2 3 comes you will be down $26 â,¬26 £26
So the next mini game up it to $25 â,¬25 £25 units and in 1 mini game you are back in profit
That is the infalliable way to play this
Play small then big for 1 or 2 mini games to recoup. Easy enough with small units
I take paypal donations
25-75-225 - correct? - so we're out 650 units if this fails?
If u see 1 2 3 back to back yes
Chances are 1 in a million
Ill take my chances i want to be up 1200 like javinchi
And if you are that worried sit out the next 3 spins to make sure 1 2 3 doesnt happen back to back before u go in with the $25 recovery set
In allllll my testing never saw 1 2 3 broken up more then once within 100 spins and never yet saw 123 123. I say we r safe
hahaha its just really too hairy for me man
Ok. On paper it looks like it
But
Test it. And you will be surprised
Show me 123 123 on a marquee
There is an exception to every rule
Parts of the universe where physics doesnt make sense
So i dont want to hear if it requires a progression it cant work
It can and it will
oh.... dont get me wrong man. i am not saying that this one doesn't work. its just i don't have the nerve for this kind of progression.
Quote from: marvin on Nov 29, 02:04 PM 2015
oh.... dont get me wrong man. i am not saying that this one doesn't work. its just i don't have the nerve for this kind of progression.
That's understandable
If you see the gold here and play it insurance on 0 is a must
You will see
023
103
120
As I mentioned earlier this is working well and when 1 - 2 - 3 does hit I raise the stakes to recoup quickly.
No insurance on zero at the moment - what insurance do you suggest on a euro wheel?
The only other thought I had was to change the 1 - 2 - 3 mini game sequence each time so we are not a static target.
So mix it up each time:
1 - 2 - 3
2 - 1 - 1
3 - 2 - 3
Hard to test as these are random selections but in my mind harder to get a match to the three wheel spins rather than sitting on 1 - 2 - 3 which will get a hit eventually.
My thinking behind this is likening it to giving a blind man a gun and asking him to try and shoot you whilst you stand still in a field 100 yards away - is he less likely to hit you if you keep moving position?
Thoughts anyone?
Nick
thanks nick
are those the only 3 combos you bet against?
and javinchi i hope to hear more .....
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Nov 29, 05:17 PM 2015
As I mentioned earlier this is working well and when 1 - 2 - 3 does hit I raise the stakes to recoup quickly.
thats the key
one time every 100 spins on average then recoup fast
dont even have to go drastic
can do $1 units
on your first 1 2 3 loss
up it to $10 units
in 2 mini games you are back
nameless member is up $14,000 with this....
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 29, 07:47 PM 2015
nameless member is up $14,000 with this....
Do you know the exact progression he is using? :question:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 29, 06:49 PM 2015
dont even have to go drastic
can do $1 units
on your first 1 2 3 loss
up it to $10 units
in 2 mini games you are back
Just ran a quick test using 167 spins from Wiesbaden using these exact rules (did not cover zero-just took it as a hit.....-6 units x 3):
Results :+ 17 units (includes 3 losses + recovery as outlined above) :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Three times 1 2 3 and u have profit
Thats what i like to see!
My only concern at this point would be the overall profit (not a real problem for sure).
If I had covered zero each spin, then I would be wayyyyy down.
So it's looking like less than 10 units per hour on average. :thumbsup:
It might be worth it to actually just restart a 1-2-3 game after a win.....especially with the 10 unit recoup strategy... :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 29, 09:12 PM 2015
My only concern at this point would be the overall profit (not a real problem for sure).
If I had covered zero each spin, then I would be wayyyyy down.
So it's looking like less than 10 units per hour on average. :thumbsup:
It might be worth it to actually just restart a 1-2-3 game after a win.....especially with the 10 unit recoup strategy... :question:
Definitely a thought. Instead of waiting for the 3 spins to run out just restart
Lets goto vegas and take em down
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 29, 09:12 PM 2015
My only concern at this point would be the overall profit (not a real problem for sure).
If I had covered zero each spin, then I would be wayyyyy down.
So it's looking like less than 10 units per hour on average. :thumbsup:
It might be worth it to actually just restart a 1-2-3 game after a win.....especially with the 10 unit recoup strategy... :question:
Just ran the same spins using this method (restart after a win).
Results :+50 units (hit (1-2-3) 6 times + 3 zeros)..........appears to be a much better way to play :thumbsup:
Also, cover zero for recoup x1....x2.....x3 (great insurance)!!!
Ok so when u win start right away betting against 1 no waiting
This method we may wanna keep hush hush. If it gets out the dealers might tell the pit boss and it may be an issue.....
Or am i paranoid
If any method uses negative progressions they're not worried
Wiesbaden Table #2 - 03.10.2015
167 spins
1-2-3 : 5 times
Zero : 4 times
Totals : -202/+203 = +01 unit (includes 1.2.3 on zeros for recoup spins)
***Personally, I'm seeing too many 1-2-3s pop up.........two of these were within 3 games of each other-including the recoup games. So 1-2-3 loss, then recoup win, recoup win, normal win, then 1-2-3 loss again. I have a bad feeling about this...... :ooh:***
I dont know law. Maybe american wheel layout effects the frequency
How about a small positive progression:
Win one, bet two units/dozen next step.
Win or lose restart at one unit/dozen.
Win-Target: +2 units or better. Stop loss: -6 units
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 29, 05:22 PM 2015
thanks nick
are those the only 3 combos you bet against?
and javinchi i hope to hear more .....
I'm just betting against a 123 combo at the moment but my idea was why not mix it up and change the combo every spin - the three I quoted where just an example - there are 27 combinations (per below) so by using a different one to bet against for each mini spin would you not be extending the odds of matching to the wheel rather than being a sitting target using 123 all the time? I'm happy to be proved wrong.
111 221 331
112 222 332
113 223 333
121 211 311
122 212 312
123 213 313
131 231 321
132 232 322
133 233 323
Nick
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Nov 30, 04:39 AM 2015
I'm just betting against a 123 combo at the moment but my idea was why not mix it up and change the combo every spin - the three I quoted where just an example - there are 27 combinations (per below) so by using a different one to bet against for each mini spin would you not be extending the odds of matching to the wheel rather than being a sitting target using 123 all the time? I'm happy to be proved wrong.
111 221 331
112 222 332
113 223 333
121 211 311
122 212 312
123 213 313
131 231 321
132 232 322
133 233 323
Nick
Here is an idea then...
First we have to determine what a session will be (100 spins?). Then we have to test some billions spins to see how many times can the same combo repeat itself in 100 spins. Let's say we come up with 4 maximum(I have no idea, made no such test).
We just start tracking and when we have whitnessed a combo come up 4 times, we start playing against it repeating a 5th time until we reach 100 spins since the first combo appearance.
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Nov 30, 04:39 AM 2015
I'm just betting against a 123 combo at the moment but my idea was why not mix it up and change the combo every spin - the three I quoted where just an example - there are 27 combinations (per below) so by using a different one to bet against for each mini spin would you not be extending the odds of matching to the wheel rather than being a sitting target using 123 all the time? I'm happy to be proved wrong.
111 221 331
112 222 332
113 223 333
121 211 311
122 212 312
123 213 313
131 231 321
132 232 322
133 233 323
Nick
Thas is what i say Before - but with other Words - play agains't the past Three dozen hits - then you Always play against 27 combinations.
If one Group of Three repeat you will have six in a row.
QuoteHere is an idea then...
First we have to determine what a session will be (100 spins?). Then we have to test some billions spins to see how many times can the same combo repeat itself in 100 spins. Let's say we come up with 4 maximum(I have no idea, made no such test).
We just start tracking and when we have whitnessed a combo come up 4 times, we start playing against it repeating a 5th time until we reach 100 spins since the first combo appearance.
Yes ... how many times can a Group of Three repeat? if you take one dozen it repeat 13 times in a row once during 1 million trails.
So for one group of Three to repeat four to five times would be pretty rare.
One can use GLC progression into Three levels - 1 3 9 and 3 9 27 and 9 27 87
If you play without trigger you will cover 12 in a row and if you start from six you will never lose the hole progression with Three levels as you cover 15 in a row.
The question is how they come back to back and several losing strings during your play.
I have not test this progression - but it looks good.
As we play in the short run so will we maybe never see 13 in a row during our time gambling - but if we are really unlucky we could encounter 13 in a row.
So i been thinking to code this into RX code - but not as system - i would like to code it to show statistics.
That way i can run RX and see how many times one Group repeat during 1 million trails tracking all 27 combinations.
Or do you have other suggestion?
Cheers
Hi Ego,
Stats would be very helpful - all my testing so far has been from manually recording Betfair live spins and transferring them to Excel - so slow!
My next step is to lean more about Kimo Li and his pinwheel idea - if we can predict more accurately when a 123 combo is due this gives us so much more power of when to bet or when to stop betting.
I'm using singe zero wheels - will your testing be on single or double?
Nick
No longer hush hush. It`s on google among others.
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Main problem of this method (and most of double-dozen methods) is so steep and huge progression. It is very nice and positive that 1-2-3 occurs one time of 100 or even more spins. But what if it occurs? Could we use that terrible 3-times gained stake? 1-3-9 - 27-81-243 ?? Totally crazy.
When we reckon that 1-2-3, 1-2-3 is very rare, we could use 1-3-9 prog., then 7-21-63 for consecutive double wins and we will be back.
But we can't say with any certainty that this will not occur: 1-2-3 (L), 1-2-3 (L), 1-1-1 (W), 1-2-3 (L). Still huge loss.
As much as I would like to suggest a milder progression, GLC stated earlier in the thread that it wouldn't make much of a difference long term, and even gave several progressions to use in the place of Marti.
I think that the only way to use this bet selection without enormous risk, would be to flat bet and then increase after a certain point.......making it a grinder method at best.
It could still show profit, but much slower and safer than any progressions jumping bet-to-bet. :thumbsup:
I respect your opinions
No system is for everybody
But i cant agree that this is a grinder system. Its too good to just be a grinder
If it scares you then play with .25 cents or $1 chips
1 3 9 with $1 chips then when hit 1 2 3 up to $10 chips to recover in 1 mini game
I will continue to take my chance. This is the closest we will ever get to a mechanical system grail type strategy
The fact we see 123 once within 100 spins is astounding.
If it scares u then use very small unit sizes OR wait to 123 happens then GO
Thanks to Denzie for this info (via PM)! :)
I always want transparency, so here it is for everyone to see :
"I'll give you a push in the right direction.
Combo's : 123 - 132 - 213 - 231 - 321 -312
Bet 1 time/trigger( example on 123)
Wait a virtual loss first
132
311
123 ----> virtual loss
312
222
122 -----> win
And this for all 6 combo's but they have separate progression.
1-3-9 and stay on 9 till recovered.
Or just bet against last 3 that came.
322
Now bet against that."
Now I have to admit; this appears to be a superior bet to 1-2-3.
Even flat-betting, it looks pretty good. Not perfect.......it can fail, but the W/L record on this is pretty impressive. :thumbsup:
Progressions have a habit of taking your whole bank roll when you least expect it.
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 30, 10:58 AM 2015
Thanks to Denzie for this info (via PM)! :)
I always want transparency, so here it is for everyone to see :
"I'll give you a push in the right direction.
Combo's : 123 - 132 - 213 - 231 - 321 -312
Bet 1 time/trigger( example on 123)
Wait a virtual loss first
132
311
123 ----> virtual loss
312
222
122 -----> win
And this for all 6 combo's but they have separate progression.
1-3-9 and stay on 9 till recovered.
Or just bet against last 3 that came.
322
Now bet against that."
Now I have to admit; this appears to be a superior bet to 1-2-3.
Even flat-betting, it looks pretty good. Not perfect.......it can fail, but the W/L record on this is pretty impressive. :thumbsup:
Betting against last 3 as ego pointed out is good
But i had some bad losers so worried me
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 30, 11:03 AM 2015
Betting against last 3 as ego pointed out is good
But i had some bad losers so worried me
If you try the first bet selection, you might be surprised.
I'm not a fan of the last 3........but I think he was referring to the following :
233
233 (virtual loss)
212 (actual win)
Still pretty risky, which is why I like the first selection. You're placing bets all over the place........one might be 2 spins after your pattern......while another might be 20 spins after. :thumbsup:
Will test this evening thanks for sharing
Quote
"I'll give you a push in the right direction.
Combo's : 123 - 132 - 213 - 231 - 321 -312
I play the 1-2-3 when it shows (in any combo) as above and stop after first bet whether win or lose. EG:
1
3
2 - 132 combo so play 1-1 on d2 and d3
2 - won 1 +1
1
3 - 213 combo so play 1-1 on d1 and d3
3 - won 1 +2
3
1
2 - 312 combo so play 1-1 on d1 and d2
3 - lost 2 +0
- 123 combo so play 2-2 on d2 and d3
3 - won 2 +2
2
1 - 321 combo so play 1-1 on d2 and d3
2 - won 1 +3
3 - 123 combo so play 1-1 on d2 and d3
2 - won 1 +4
1 - 321 combo so play 1-1 on d1 and d2
2 - won 1 +5
A.
Atlantis thats playing the opposite of the dozen 3 spins back dvery 3 spins?
Quote from: ego on Nov 30, 05:46 AM 2015
Thas is what i say Before - but with other Words - play agains't the past Three dozen hits - then you Always play against 27 combinations.
If one Group of Three repeat you will have six in a row.
Yes ... how many times can a Group of Three repeat? if you take one dozen it repeat 13 times in a row once during 1 million trails.
So for one group of Three to repeat four to five times would be pretty rare.
One can use GLC progression into Three levels - 1 3 9 and 3 9 27 and 9 27 87
If you play without trigger you will cover 12 in a row and if you start from six you will never lose the hole progression with Three levels as you cover 15 in a row.
The question is how they come back to back and several losing strings during your play.
I have not test this progression - but it looks good.
As we play in the short run so will we maybe never see 13 in a row during our time gambling - but if we are really unlucky we could encounter 13 in a row.
So i been thinking to code this into RX code - but not as system - i would like to code it to show statistics.
That way i can run RX and see how many times one Group repeat during 1 million trails tracking all 27 combinations.
Or do you have other suggestion?
Cheers
I have a sugestion, based on the (limmited) test's I made, the killer sequences where usually from sequences with 1 or 2 dozens (things like 112, 313, 222, 333,etc... seem to be common killers for this). However the most I found of 123 was 12312312[2] (win on the last 2, it did not repeat a 3rd time)
So, my sugestion is to bet every spin against the last shown 3 distinct consecutive dozen combo (wich can be 123,132,213,231,312,321). On a loss, use the proposed GLC progression.until on a new + ...or loss on the 3rd level of progression.
In other words, if I have 123, I start betting against 123 forming again every spin until a new combo of 3 unique numbers appears, then I drop the 123 and I use the new combo instead. Example:
223311123 (first 3 different dozens in a row, so from now on we play against 123)
113321 (321 shows, so now we drop 123, and start betting against 321 showing again)
2223312 (312 shows, so this is our new bet) and so on...
I would like to see a test on this.
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 30, 10:58 AM 2015
Thanks to Denzie for this info (via PM)! :)
I always want transparency, so here it is for everyone to see :
"I'll give you a push in the right direction.
Combo's : 123 - 132 - 213 - 231 - 321 -312
Bet 1 time/trigger( example on 123)
Wait a virtual loss first
132
311
123 ----> virtual loss
312
222
122 -----> win
And this for all 6 combo's but they have separate progression.
1-3-9 and stay on 9 till recovered.
Or just bet against last 3 that came.
322
Now bet against that."
Now I have to admit; this appears to be a superior bet to 1-2-3.
Even flat-betting, it looks pretty good. Not perfect.......it can fail, but the W/L record on this is pretty impressive. :thumbsup:
A bit of further testing......still too many misses for my taste (flat betting) :sad2:
Definitely better to use only combos of 1-2-3 (2-1-3, 3-2-1, etc), but still difficult to pull ahead......
Test after test on american i see 1 2 3 once every 70 to 100 spins
I dunno about you guys but when it comes to roulette im not askin for much more. Ill make it work
I plan to goto mt airy casino who has $3 airball and use $2 units. This way when 1 2 3 happens i can up the units and recover quick
Im confident i wont see 123123 cause i havent yet on american wheel
I did see 123 occur more on euro the results are much different on american as nottophammer pointed out 231 i think it was may be befter for euro go a few pages back to read what he said
Whilst playing your desired combo,keep looking to see if a dozen is sleeping, if using 123, wouldn't it be good to see 1st doz sleeping,you would win every 1st spin till it awakes. The sleeping bit is the ?
would this work, have 3 banks,1st bank would be playing 1,2,3, B2 playing 2,3,1 and B3 playing 3,1,2
B1 B2 B3
1 2 3
2 3 1
3 1 2
1 2 Now zero would be a loss, how to bet zero?
2
when lose up the units to your chosen way.
COULD WE PLAY THIS WAY,
When a bank is plus stop betting that bank, eventually all three banks should get plus, just the zero
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 30, 02:55 PM 2015
would this work, have 3 banks,1st bank would be playing 1,2,3, B2 playing 2,3,1 and B3 playing 3,1,2
B1 B2 B3
1 2 3
2 3 1
3 1 2
1 2 Now zero would be a loss, how to bet zero?
2
when lose up the units to your chosen way.
COULD WE PLAY THIS WAY,
Here is an example of the W/L record for this system (flat betting) :
1-2-3
2-3-2
3-1-1
--------W L W
W
W L W
W
L W W
L
W
W L W
W
L W W
L
W
W L W
L
W
W W L
L
W
W W L
W
W W L
L
W
***If you cut out the first line, then we only have to make 1-3 instead of 1-3-9 to make a profit***
Full W/L record for 170 spin game :
WWLWWLWLWLWWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLLWWLWLWWWLWLLWLWWLLWWLWLWWWWLWWWWWLLLLWLLLWWWLW :question:
you guys are looking a little to deep
im not going to sit at a table for 170 spins
im lookin for 1 win per table. with 1 loser every 70 spins of course it works
here is a test I just ran from spin 830 something in american zumma
this is a holy grail....thats my story and im sticking to it
this is 26 mini games....78 live wheel spins with no 123 instance....that is why i am not worried about hitting the occasional 123...i will already be in profit and if not i will recover FAST
and the law... your idea of on any win reset and start betting against 123 again without waiting for the 3 spins to be up makes a LOT more profit and faster...so you can get in and out...a continuous bet against 1 2 3 occurring and reset back to betting against 123 on ANY win without sitting out spins and waiting for the next mini game is definitely something to consider if you want to get out fast
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 30, 06:41 PM 2015
here is a test I just ran from spin 830 something in american zumma
this is a holy grail....thats my story and im sticking to it
this is 26 mini games....78 live wheel spins with no 123 instance....that is why i am not worried about hitting the occasional 123...i will already be in profit and if not i will recover FAST
and the law... your idea of on any win reset and start betting against 123 again without waiting for the 3 spins to be up makes a LOT more profit and faster...so you can get in and out...a continuous bet against 1 2 3 occurring and reset back to betting against 123 on ANY win without sitting out spins and waiting for the next mini game is definitely something to consider if you want to get out fast
If it's the Grail (american Wheel only), then I look forward to you hearing your war stories when you return with your winnings!!! :thumbsup:
i dont know man
i cant look at that chart i just posted and not see a grail......
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 30, 07:13 PM 2015
i dont know man
i cant look at that chart i just posted and not see a grail......
The only problem with this system is that it lends itself to bad luck hitting you like a sledgehammer......I'm willing to bet there's a less risky progression that's still effective.
Having said that.......I do think that the bet selection might be the best we have available without some serious tracking, so with a bit of luck, you might be able to turn this into a winner long term! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 30, 07:19 PM 2015
The only problem with this system is that it lends itself to bad luck hitting you like a sledgehammer......I'm willing to bet there's a less risky progression that's still effective.
Having said that.......I do think that the bet selection might be the best we have available without some serious tracking, so with a bit of luck, you might be able to turn this into a winner long term! :)
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 30, 06:41 PM 2015
here is a test I just ran from spin 830 something in american zumma
this is a holy grail....thats my story and im sticking to it
this is 26 mini games....78 live wheel spins with no 123 instance....that is why i am not worried about hitting the occasional 123...i will already be in profit and if not i will recover FAST
and the law... your idea of on any win reset and start betting against 123 again without waiting for the 3 spins to be up makes a LOT more profit and faster...so you can get in and out...a continuous bet against 1 2 3 occurring and reset back to betting against 123 on ANY win without sitting out spins and waiting for the next mini game is definitely something to consider if you want to get out fast
Just a heads up.......using a standard Labouchere progression =
+17 units (highest bet 5-5) :thumbsup:
This might be the more conservative approach, as a 1-2-3 will not kill your bankroll! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Nov 30, 12:26 AM 2015
Wiesbaden Table #2 - 03.10.2015
167 spins
1-2-3 : 5 times
Zero : 4 times
Totals : -202/+203 = +01 unit (includes 1.2.3 on zeros for recoup spins)
***Personally, I'm seeing too many 1-2-3s pop up.........two of these were within 3 games of each other-including the recoup games. So 1-2-3 loss, then recoup win, recoup win, normal win, then 1-2-3 loss again. I have a bad feeling about this...... :ooh:***
Wiesbaden Table #2 - 03.10.2015 - 167 spins
Labouchere Total :
+33 units (highest bet 8-8)
Better reeults with that progression
When i played live 2 saturdays ago i played 1 2 5
Break even progression
I only profited on step 1
Made 7 units
Hi,
These are my latest test results - online live single zero wheels:
885 spins
Win 105 units (using 1 3 9 progression)
Win 103 units (using 1 3 3 progression - much less scary if you get a bad run)
Five 1 2 3 combos (* see note)
Let us assume each spin takes 1 minute = 14.75 hours of play
103 units at say £10/$10 per unit = £1030/$1030
Hourly rate of approx. £70/$70!
Someone check my maths please!!!!!!
Most of the combos win within spins one or two so by dropping the progression from 1 3 9 down to 1 3 3 it does not make much difference to the units won.
* Note:
Out of the 885 spins 1 2 3 actually came up 20 times!
However only five of these fell inside the 3 spin combos. This might be a point worth checking if you are running automated tests as your results may show a high total number of 1 2 3 combos rather than how many times they fall in your 3 spin mini game.
Very small sample I know but using the lower risk progression I'm gaining more confidence in this system that all the others I've tried.
Nick
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Dec 01, 07:38 AM 2015
Hi,
These are my latest test results - online live single zero wheels:
885 spins
Win 105 units (using 1 3 9 progression)
Win 103 units (using 1 3 3 progression - much less scary if you get a bad run)
Five 1 2 3 combos (* see note)
Let us assume each spin takes 1 minute = 14.75 hours of play
103 units at say £10/$10 per unit = £1030/$1030
Hourly rate of approx. £70/$70!
Someone check my maths please!!!!!!
Most of the combos win within spins one or two so by dropping the progression from 1 3 9 down to 1 3 3 it does not make much difference to the units won.
* Note:
Out of the 885 spins 1 2 3 actually came up 20 times!
However only five of these fell inside the 3 spin combos. This might be a point worth checking if you are running automated tests as your results may show a high total number of 1 2 3 combos rather than how many times they fall in your 3 spin mini game.
Very small sample I know but using the lower risk progression I'm gaining more confidence in this system that all the others I've tried.
Nick
Very nice nick
Yes 10 units about 70 an hour
I like the 1 3 3 good job on that
Is this euro?
Im noticing 1 2 3 occurrence much greater on euro
I notice euro has 123 every 50 spins when on american its closer to 70 to 100
20 times in 880 spins roughly 1 in 50
Im glad you see the gold here
Im sure steve and the moderators laugh at us for thinking this type of thing works lol
Yes, euro wheel.
I'm playing online for real money every night for 10p units at the moment in batches of five mini games - then stop and move to another table.
Bank is increasing slowly and as confidence grows I'll double the unit stake each time inline with a 2% 'bank to stake' ratio.
The 1 3 3 progression takes a huge amount of pressure off as the recoup time is reduced from 26 wins down to 14 - much more realistic, especially if you increase the stakes during the recoup games.
Lots of other progressions have been suggested by others, however I'm going to stick with this one for a while and see how it pans out over a longer period of time as it's so easy to get knocked off track and you end up trying everything but not actually achieving solid results.
Nick
Nick if your casinos offer american try it
With insurance on 0/00
If im using $10 units ill put $1 ins on 0 and 00
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Dec 01, 07:38 AM 2015
Hi,
These are my latest test results - online live single zero wheels:
885 spins
Win 105 units (using 1 3 9 progression)
Win 103 units (using 1 3 3 progression - much less scary if you get a bad run)
Five 1 2 3 combos (* see note)
Let us assume each spin takes 1 minute = 14.75 hours of play
103 units at say £10/$10 per unit = £1030/$1030
Hourly rate of approx. £70/$70!
Someone check my maths please!!!!!!
Most of the combos win within spins one or two so by dropping the progression from 1 3 9 down to 1 3 3 it does not make much difference to the units won.
* Note:
Out of the 885 spins 1 2 3 actually came up 20 times!
However only five of these fell inside the 3 spin combos. This might be a point worth checking if you are running automated tests as your results may show a high total number of 1 2 3 combos rather than how many times they fall in your 3 spin mini game.
Very small sample I know but using the lower risk progression I'm gaining more confidence in this system that all the others I've tried.
Nick
I would say that the 1-3-3 is the superior progression thus far with this bet selection. :thumbsup:
How are you handling the zeros? Do you count them as part of the mini-game, or keep betting as if they don't exist?
Ex #1 : 1.2.0 (mini game complete-counts as a full loss)
or
Ex #2 : 1.2.0.x (making an extra bet to ignore zero)
Thanks, and great work from you and RG!!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 01, 10:11 AM 2015
I would say that the 1-3-3 is the superior progression thus far with this bet selection. :thumbsup:
How are you handling the zeros? Do you count them as part of the mini-game, or keep betting as if they don't exist?
Ex #1 : 1.2.0 (mini game complete-counts as a full loss)
or
Ex #2 : 1.2.0.x (making an extra bet to ignore zero)
Thanks, and great work from you and RG!!! :thumbsup:
Always insurance on zero. I do a break even insurance unit
1 0 3 will hurt!
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 01, 10:11 AM 2015
I would say that the 1-3-3 is the superior progression thus far with this bet selection. :thumbsup:
How are you handling the zeros? Do you count them as part of the mini-game, or keep betting as if they don't exist?
Ex #1 : 1.2.0 (mini game complete-counts as a full loss)
or
Ex #2 : 1.2.0.x (making an extra bet to ignore zero)
Thanks, and great work from you and RG!!! :thumbsup:
Thanks for your comments - I'm playing euro wheels so zero's have not caused too much upset so far (not needed an insurance bet) and I included them in the 3 spin mini games.
Nick
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Dec 01, 10:29 AM 2015
Thanks for your comments - I'm playing euro wheels so zero's have not caused too much upset so far (not needed an insurance bet) and I included them in the 3 spin mini games.
Nick
Just ran this on some spins from Wiesbaden, and ended
-08 after 170 spins using 1-3-3 (no zero insurance).
One possible way to deal with this is to use a different progression for recoup after a loss (i had 4 full losses on this chart).
So after a loss, we could jump to 3 units (or more if you like) and use a Labouchere standard line (cancellation system) for a much or as little as we like to recoup (more conservative is better). Ex: We just lost 14 units on a 1-2-3 game, then started a Labouchere line to recoup 3(x3) wins. Then a total loss only costs us 5 units.
In that same game mentioned above, we would have been
+28 units. :thumbsup:
I must be the slowest guy on this forum, that after 25 pages I still don't understand how this works.
Let me see if I can understand.
What I don't know about this if you play on one dozen or two dozen but this is how I see it:
spin 1: 3 red (1st dozen)
spin 2: 13 black (2nd dozen)
Now we bet on dozen 1 and 2 since we play against 1 2 3?
spin 3: 1 red (1st dozen) WIN
If spin 3 would be let say 36 red we make the same bet (1st and 2nd dozen) with a progression?
Maybe you can fill in the gap where I'm wrong or maybe tell me how you would play on those three spin, which is one mini game, right?
Sorry if I'm ignorant, being my first post and all, although I've been a long time lurker. ;)
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 01, 11:16 AM 2015
I must be the slowest guy on this forum, that after 25 pages I still don't understand how this works.
Let me see if I can understand.
What I don't know about this if you play on one dozen or two dozen but this is how I see it:
spin 1: 3 red (1st dozen)
spin 2: 13 black (2nd dozen)
Now we bet on dozen 1 and 2 since we play against 1 2 3?
spin 3: 1 red (1st dozen) WIN
If spin 3 would be let say 36 red we make the same bet (1st and 2nd dozen) with a progression?
Maybe you can fill in the gap where I'm wrong or maybe tell me how you would play on those three spin, which is one mini game, right?
Sorry if I'm ignorant, being my first post and all, although I've been a long time lurker. ;)
Spin 1. Bet dozens 2 and 3
If lose
Spin 2. Bet dozens 1 and 3
If lose
Spin 3. Bet dozens 1 and 2
On any win wait until the 3 spin mini game is done
If you win at spin 2 sit out next spin and wait for next mini game
If win at spin 1 sit out next 2 spins and wait for next mini game
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 01, 11:19 AM 2015
Spin 1. Bet dozens 2 and 3
If lose
Spin 2. Bet dozens 1 and 3
If lose
Spin 3. Bet dozens 1 and 2
Is this from my example or is it how you always play your mini games?
Oh by the way, about the progression. I would never use 1, 3 and 9. Not even 1, 3 and 3.
This is what I use when playing on two dozen from previous strategies I've used:
We say that we have 1000 units and we start bet 10 on each dozen, which is 20 units.
So let say we bet on 1 and 2 dozen.
3rd dozen came up so we lost, then we bet 10 on each dozen again only that we now have 15 in memory. If we win we bet 15 units on each dozen. We win again and
we back were we started with 5 units in profit. Example:
D1 D2
---------
10 10 W
10 10 L (15 memory)
10 10 L (20 memory)
10 10 W
20 20 L (25 memory)
20 20 W
25 25 W (20 memory)
20 20 W (15 memory)
15 15 L (20 memory)
15 15 W
20 20 W (15 memory)
15 15 W (10 memory)
10 10 W and we're back with profit
---------
D1 D2 = Any dozen you played on.
You could also change the progression anytime you want. If you have a draw down of 400 units (600 left) and work your way up to say, 950, then change the progression
to some smaller units or start from 10 again.
The good thing about this progression is even if you loose several times, you can almost everytime come back and since this strategy have a series of wins from previous
example, this should work fine.
This system will not work without a progression.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 01, 01:14 PM 2015
Is this from my example or is it how you always play your mini games?
Oh by the way, about the progression. I would never use 1, 3 and 9. Not even 1, 3 and 3.
This is what I use when playing on two dozen from previous strategies I've used:
We say that we have 1000 units and we start bet 10 on each dozen, which is 20 units.
So let say we bet on 1 and 2 dozen.
3rd dozen came up so we lost, then we bet 10 on each dozen again only that we now have 15 in memory. If we win we bet 15 units on each dozen. We win again and
we back were we started with 5 units in profit. Example:
D1 D2
---------
10 10 W
10 10 L (15 memory)
10 10 L (20 memory)
10 10 W
20 20 L (25 memory)
20 20 W
25 25 W (20 memory)
20 20 W (15 memory)
15 15 L (20 memory)
15 15 W
20 20 W (15 memory)
15 15 W (10 memory)
10 10 W and we're back with profit
---------
D1 D2 = Any dozen you played on.
You could also change the progression anytime you want. If you have a draw down of 400 units (600 left) and work your way up to say, 950, then change the progression
to some smaller units or start from 10 again.
The good thing about this progression is even if you loose several times, you can almost everytime come back and since this strategy have a series of wins from previous
example, this should work fine.
GlC has written extensively about this type of bet referring to the "memory" as "banks". Just a modified version of a Labouchere.
Ultimately, you are just delaying the inevitable possibility of a loss. There is a whole blog on this subject - google search targetbetting blogspot. I have a thread on here outlining and testing it. It can run out of control like anything else.
If you check back earlier in this thread, you will see several suggestions in a post from GLC for more conservative betting.
Some of these methods take far too long to get back into profit, thus becoming a grinder system.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 01, 01:41 PM 2015
GlC has written extensively about this type of bet referring to the "memory" as "banks". Just a modified version of a Labouchere.
Ultimately, you are just delaying the inevitable possibility of a loss. There is a whole blog on this subject - google search targetbetting blogspot. I have a thread on here outlining and testing it. It can run out of control like anything else.
If you check back earlier in this thread, you will see several suggestions in a post from GLC for more conservative betting.
Some of these methods take far too long to get back into profit, thus becoming a grinder system.
Ok, I will. Didn't knew there was a thread about this type of progression. Thanks alot.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 01, 11:19 AM 2015
Spin 1. Bet dozens 2 and 3
If lose
Spin 2. Bet dozens 1 and 3
If lose
Spin 3. Bet dozens 1 and 2
Is this from my example or is it how you always play your mini games?
I never got an answer on this, so forgive me for asking again.
I got one more question, though. *sigh*
When you play one mini game, after the three spins, the mini game is over and you start a new mini game right after the three spins. Do you think of the mini game as a continuation from the previous spin or do you think of it as a totally new game? Or do you wait a few spins before starting the new mini game?
Sorry to trouble you guys and thanks alot for your help. ;)
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 01, 02:15 PM 2015
Ok, I will. Didn't knew there was a thread about this type of progression. Thanks alot.
I never got an answer on this, so forgive me for asking again.
I got one more question, though. *sigh*
When you play one mini game, after the three spins, the mini game is over and you start a new mini game right after the three spins. Do you think of the mini game as a continuation from the previous spin or do you think of it as a totally new game? Or do you wait a few spins before starting the new mini game?
Sorry to trouble you guys and thanks alot for your help. ;)
A mini game is max 3 spins
Anytime u win STOP and wait for the 3 spins to finish then start again
If u win on spin 3 u immediately start again
If u dont understand this then fly to long island and ill have to show u in person.
Theres no way else i can say it
Edit: look at my charts. When u see green STOP then wait until next row
I got it. Thanks alot.
Just ran a quick sequence from Wiesbaden - Table #2 18.11.2015 #159 spins
10-19-27
9-14-31
2-17-36
2-20-25
4 full losses in 159 spins............Just be aware.........this is still a volatile bet selection. :ooh:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 01, 02:57 PM 2015
Just ran a quick sequence from Wiesbaden - Table #2 18.11.2015 #159 spins
10-19-27
9-14-31
2-17-36
2-20-25
4 full losses in 159 spins............Just be aware.........this is still a volatile bet selection. :ooh:
Makes sense. U will see 123 on euro roughly every 50 spins. 4 times within 200 spins
American zumma has it once every 100.......
i notice my smites keep rising
certain people here dislike when i talk about working systems....
first few pages of thread raymanzz posted this
euro wheel
average of 123 every 80 spins
important note props to nottophammer for this: 231 may be the euro version of 123 on americanTHELAW and NICKTHEGREEK maybe test betting against 231 on euro....and 312....personally i like 312 you sare still betting against a rightward motion
Quoteraymanzz:
66k spins:
123: 831
132: 854
213: 824
231: 807
312: 771
321: 802
111: 774
222: 790
333: 795
123 123: 31
132 132: 35
213 213: 30
231 231: 30
312 312: 26
321 321: 28
111 111: 23
222 222: 22
333 333: 26
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 01, 05:55 PM 2015
first few pages of thread raymanzz posted this
euro wheel
average of 123 every 80 spins
important note props to nottophammer for this: 231 may be the euro version of 123 on american
THELAW and NICKTHEGREEK maybe test betting against 231 on euro....and 312....personally i like 312 you sare still betting against a rightward motion
Quick test on two Euro tables shows about one 2-3-1 every 80 spins as predicted :thumbsup:
3-1-2 showed 3 times in 320 spins as opposed to 4 with 2-3-1.....
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 01, 06:06 PM 2015
Quick test on two Euro tables shows about one 2-3-1 every 80 spins as predicted :thumbsup:
ya know.......i have ALWAYS said 2 things
1) the holy grail is simple
and
2)the holy grail is playing the dozens
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 01, 06:06 PM 2015
Quick test on two Euro tables shows about one 2-3-1 every 80 spins as predicted :thumbsup:
3-1-2 showed 3 times in 320 spins as opposed to 4 with 2-3-1.....
312 average of 85 spins before it shows on euro
so should be just as good
maybe 123 isnt the euro wheel answer
:smile:
i think the best way to play this is large units and limit to 2 mini games
Nick if you test further id love to see your results betting against 2 3 1 or 3 1 2 on the euro wheel
Rich
Hi Rich,
Another successful online euro wheel evening yesterday - managed 2 x 5 sessions (so a total of only 30 spins) and left 10 units up.
This time I swapped tables after every 3 spin combo and used the 1 3 3 progression.
Time is against me at the moment so I'll see what I can do over this weekend testing wise on the 231 and 312 combos you mentioned - as I mentioned before I would prefer to actually play the 123 combo using low value stakes for longer rather than chop and change other combinations - it builds confidence with the basic system and we can then fine tune for extra profit once we know it is a stable system.
Nick
Okay, curiosity got the better of me and I couldn't resist a quick revamp of my spread sheet to check the hit rate for the 312 combo.
Same 885 spins test as before:
312 hit a total of 24 times (123 hit 19 times)
312 hit the 3 spin combo 11 times (123 hit 5 times)
What a difference - not even worth recalculating the units won/lost!
Still a very small sample so it may even itself out over a larger test - one thing to note is these spin sessions are in batches of about 50 and currently when I'm playing for real online I'm jumping from table to table for each 3 spin combo.
Nick
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Dec 02, 04:47 AM 2015
Hi Rich,
Another successful online euro wheel evening yesterday - managed 2 x 5 sessions (so a total of only 30 spins) and left 10 units up.
This time I swapped tables after every 3 spin combo and used the 1 3 3 progression.
Time is against me at the moment so I'll see what I can do over this weekend testing wise on the 231 and 312 combos you mentioned - as I mentioned before I would prefer to actually play the 123 combo using low value stakes for longer rather than chop and change other combinations - it builds confidence with the basic system and we can then fine tune for extra profit once we know it is a stable system.
Nick
You are doing well
I will assume you have made 26 or more units with this
When you hit 123 you can do one of two things
You can accept the loss because you are still up
Or
You can up your unit size on the next mini game and win at least half of the units you lost back (or all if you want)
In the future it may be worth it to check out 231 on the euro wheel. Im surprised at the 312 result
I started with a £20 bankroll using 10p stakes a few weeks ago and then double up to 20p stakes when it reached £30 - bankroll is now £36. Not huge sums of money but in my mind it is the principle that needs to be checked and focused on at this early stage rather than trying to immediately produce a secondary, big bucks, income.
I cannot always play each day but when I do my goal is to achieve five units per session - usually play more over a weekend.
Nick
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Dec 02, 07:42 AM 2015
I started with a £20 bankroll using 10p stakes a few weeks ago and then double up to 20p stakes when it reached £30 - bankroll is now £36. Not huge sums of money but in my mind it is the principle that needs to be checked and focused on at this early stage rather than trying to immediately produce a secondary, big bucks, income.
I cannot always play each day but when I do my goal is to achieve five units per session - usually play more over a weekend.
Nick
Very cool
Once you exceed 26 units and then 52 units profit then you are home free with 1 3 9. Or 1 3 3 whatever u use
In response to your secondary big bucks statement.
I'm definitely going to make this a several hundred per week earner
When i get a chance ill look at albahalas past spin thread from smart live and test betting against 2 3 1 for euro wheels
Remember we still have to test this on columns ABC. I believe jahvinci did?
Im curious to see stats betting against ABC
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 09:53 AM 2015
In response to your secondary big bucks statement.
I'm definitely going to make this a several hundred per week earner
When i get a chance ill look at albahalas past spin thread from smart live and test betting against 2 3 1 for euro wheels
Remember we still have to test this on columns ABC. I believe jahvinci did?
Im curious to see stats betting against ABC
Has anyone considered dividing the wheel in thirds, and then labeling them sectors 1-2-3........then use the system?
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 11:07 AM 2015
Has anyone considered dividing the wheel in thirds, and then labeling them sectors 1-2-3........then use the system?
Someone mentioned it havent tried yet
For euro id be curious on betting against ABC columns sequence
OK. :twisted:
Here is the way that I would officially play this system :
1) 1-3-9 progression on standard 1-2-3 bet selection (insurance on zeros if you bet above 10 units base)
2) Hit-and-run max 3-5 games
3) Money Management : Labouchere system
Ex. You need to win 26 games (units)
So if you lose 26 units, then stay at 1 unit base to try and win it back....
If you lose the next 26 units (now 52 total), then increase units size to 2 units with the same goal of 26 games (your line will look like this : 1-1(2 unit bet))
If you lose then the next bet is 3 units......or if you win your next bet is 1 unit again
........another option is to increase bet for 2 spins after a 1-2-3 loss with no more than 5x your base unit :thumbsup:
Bankroll : 1000 units :thumbsup:
Another pointer i received through a PM:
Continuously bet. On a win reset back to betting against 1
So when u win restart betting against 123 do not wait for the 3 spins to expire
This makes the hit and run happen faster and more units faster
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 03:31 PM 2015
Another pointer i received through a PM:
Continuously bet. On a win reset back to betting against 1
So when u win restart betting against 123 do not wait for the 3 spins to expire
This makes the hit and run happen faster and more units faster
Doesn't that put you at risk for more 1-2-3 showing up?
Maybe, maybe not. Havent really tested it that way yet
But the person said it hasnt failed
Euro wheel.....
Bet against 123 any win restart 123 any win restart 123
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 03:34 PM 2015
Doesn't that put you at risk for more 1-2-3 showing up?
Also you will hit your target unit FAST. You will be 4 units up before 3 mini games would typically finish. In and out fast
1 2 3 would have to hit within 6 spins to lose big
Its in and out hit and run way
If you play the normal way 3 mini games is 9 spins if you play continuous reset back to 123 on a win then youll reach target way before 3 mini games
3 mini games profit 3 units normally. Continuous play 3 units profit before 2 normal mini games is up. Its faster
This way you have to hit 123 within 6 spins to lose
Wheras normally it would be 9
Less exposure
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 04:18 PM 2015
Also you will hit your target unit FAST. You will be 4 units up before 3 mini games would typically finish. In and out fast
1 2 3 would have to hit within 6 spins to lose big
Its in and out hit and run way
If you play the normal way 3 mini games is 9 spins if you play continuous reset back to 123 on a win then youll reach target way before 3 mini games
3 mini games profit 3 units normally. Continuous play 3 units profit before 2 normal mini games is up. Its faster
I see your point, but one of my Wiesbaden sets has 8 (1-2-3) full losses (another has 6 in 167 spins) in 167 spins........one has 3 full 1-2-3 losses in 12 spins....this would be my worry. :ooh:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 23, 03:33 PM 2015
Anywhere between 50 and 100 spins expect to see 1 2 3 occur
I see it once every 24 mini games or so which is on average 72 spins
This is where I see a potential problem, you're winning 1 unit every 3 spins, which equals 24 units every 72 spins, and you're loosing 26 units every 72 spins (on average), which leaves us at -2 units. That's without the 0/00 insurance, which I assume will lose the house edge percentage over time.
thelaw's testing with Labouchere MM will hopefully overcome this.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 02, 04:47 PM 2015
This is where I see a potential problem, you're winning 1 unit every 3 spins, which equals 24 units every 72 spins, and you're loosing 26 units every 72 spins (on average), which leaves us at -2 units. That's without the 0/00 insurance, which I assume will lose the house edge percentage over time.
thelaw's testing with Labouchere MM will hopefully overcome this.
Yes. In a way you are right
But if you wait for a 123 then start you will be in profit still when 123 finally does bite
Also i think hit and run is better. Stay for 6 spins and move on. Limit exposure
Also to consider is 123 may not be best for euro. Look at 231
I think we are smart enough to make something work that only fails every 50 to 100 spins
Rich
ive posted about half a dozen charts.....most of them had ONE 123 loss within 26 mini games and 1 or 2 had no losses...
this is by far the best system i have EVER seen
its really all we can ask for to be honest
but keep in mind all my major testing done on american wheels and zumma.....no euro......euro 123 instances may be much greater...therefore take this particular principle and see what works on EURO where you dont have 8 123 instances in 160 spins.....find THE WAY
THE WAY may be betting against columns ABC on euro....it may be betting against 231....who knows....ill do a euro test shortly on 231 and post it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 04:51 PM 2015
Yes. In a way you are right
But if you wait for a 123 then start you will be in profit still when 123 finally does bite
Also i think hit and run is better. Stay for 6 spins and move on. Limit exposure
Also to consider is 123 may not be best for euro. Look at 231
I think we are smart enough to make something work that only fails every 50 to 100 spins
Rich
The only problem with hit-and-run is that it can't be fully tested.
So I would argue that a hit-and-run can never be a true Grail in the traditional sense.
Not to mention the looming sledgehammer that is several losses back to back..........bankroll destroyer!!! >:D
However, looking at this from a standpoint of losing full games, while focusing on bankroll strategy, might be a winner! :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 05:47 PM 2015
The only problem with hit-and-run is that it can't be fully tested.
So I would argue that a hit-and-run can never be a true Grail in the traditional sense.
Not to mention the looming sledgehammer that is several losses back to back..........bankroll destroyer!!! >:D
However, looking at this from a standpoint of losing full games, while focusing on bankroll strategy, might be a winner! :thumbsup:
agreed
i havent seen any, not a single 123 back to back yet
it will happen but so rare its light getting struck by lightning
i tried something different
this is a european wheel test
it is smart live numbers from this forum under live spins so it is real wheel results
had 231 twice and 312 twice.....cant say if this is common because this is first test
had 123 once....maybe no matter how u slice the cake they will hit about the same it just depends when you arrive at the wheel?
so you can see the 123 231 and 312 patterns on the chart
notice there is NO 321.....going the opposite way....interesting
so betting against 321 wins all games on this chart....that is what i have highlighted in green
another bet won every game on this chart as well....betting against the previous 3
is betting against previous 3 on euro a good bet? may be......i will attach the chart twice...one chart against 321 one chart against the previous 3...looks like previous 3 opposite and 321 is a good euro bet on this wheel lets see if it continues
ego suggest bet against the previous dozen formation with a GLC progression...he is on point here, that is a good chart
you cannot just bet the opposite of the dozen 3 back, that will eat you alive....play it in 3 spin mini games...after 3 spins bet the opposite of the last formation, on a win, wait for the 3 spins to finish then play again.....no continuous play for that....i think the key to betting against previous formation is on a win dont bet against the previous 3 until that specific 3 spin set is expired....so if you lose the 1st bet but win the 2nd, sit out the next spin (3rd spin) then start again
:lol:
now time to test columns.......geesh
Two quick tests of betting against past 3 spins = 1 full loss in 330 spins!!! :thumbsup:
This seems too easy......... :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 06:33 PM 2015
Two quick tests of betting against past 3 spins = 1 full loss in 330 spins!!! :thumbsup:
This seems too easy......... :question:
very nice
i tested betting against 3 spins back...total failure
must be played in 3 spin mini games, if win on spin 1, then sit out the following 2 spins before betting against the previous 3 again!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 06:35 PM 2015
very nice
i tested betting against 3 spins back...total failure
must be played in 3 spin mini games, if win on spin 1, then sit out the following 2 spins before betting against the previous 3 again!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
That's exactly how I tested it... :thumbsup:
Also, anytime a zero popped up, I skipped the next mini-game.......this was much cleaner! :twisted:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 06:40 PM 2015
That's exactly how I tested it... :thumbsup:
Also, anytime a zero popped up, I skipped the next mini-game.......this was much cleaner! :twisted:
ego said it was a good way to play...maybe thats the euro answer
It should be noted that betting against the last 3 spins on dozens is pretty low hanging fruit as far as Roulette goes.
This should concern all of us, as it just seems wayyyyyyy too easy.
So my questions is - What's the catch??? :question:
What is our unfair advantage?
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 06:44 PM 2015
It should be noted that betting against the last 3 spins on dozens is pretty low hanging fruit as far as Roulette goes.
This should concern all of us, as it just seems wayyyyyyy too easy.
So my questions is - What's the catch??? :question:
What is our unfair advantage?
i dont know but for about 3 years now i have been saying the holy grail is probably very very simple and we just dont see it....one taste opened up an entire new way of thinking
here is an american wheel test on 123
im uploading it to show betting against previous 3
ignore the greens
this is strictly betting against previous 3....how glorious
every single row is a win! and more then halfway down all on the 1st bet
28 pages and still going.
Good on ya Onetaste
& RG :thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Dec 02, 06:51 PM 2015
28 pages and still going.
Good on ya RG :thumbsup:
i refuse to let an idea this good fade into the night
TheLaw
just went through ALL of my 123 american testing charts
betting against previous 3 suffered NOT ONE loss...NOT A SINGLE one
now lets not kid ourselves a dozen will repeat 6 times in a row....but.....stillll........
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 06:54 PM 2015
TheLaw
just went through ALL of my 123 american testing charts
betting against previous 3 suffered NOT ONE loss...NOT A SINGLE one
If this is the grail.........we're all going to feel like morons! :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 06:57 PM 2015
If this is the grail.........we're all going to feel like morons! :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
yea just went through 468 spins.....no loss betting against previous 3....and i mean not
ONE
spoke to soon
i had 323 and 323 back to back
the good news?
took almost 600 spins to get
significantly better odds then 1 in 100 123
if its 1 in 600 boy oh boyyyyyyy
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 06:59 PM 2015
yea just went through 468 spins.....no loss betting against previous 3....and i mean not ONE
Sounds like that's the pattern to beat......... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
will continue to test this........
looks like ego was onto something
i have to stop posting and go play
that 4k Samsung TV wont buy itself
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 07:02 PM 2015
Sounds like that's the pattern to beat......... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
i dont want to get too excited too fast
too soon
but having 123 show every 50 to 100 spins and then having the previous 3 take about 500-600 spins to repeat makes it a better bet.....but too soon to tell...however statistically i went from seeing 123 in every 100 spin test to NOT seeing this in every test
so very very promising
this from raymanz (as long as no mistakes were made) will shed some light
"66k spins:
123 123: 31
132 132: 35
213 213: 30
231 231: 30
312 312: 26
321 321: 28"
what this means is that these particular combos happening back to back will happen on average ONCE every 2200 spins :xd: :xd:
so yea....makes sense for this to work
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 07:25 PM 2015
i dont want to get too excited too fast
too soon
but having 123 show every 50 to 100 spins and then having the previous 3 take about 500-600 spins to repeat makes it a better bet.....but too soon to tell...however statistically i went from seeing 123 in every 100 spin test to NOT seeing this in every test
so very very promising
Spielbank: Wiesbaden : Table #2 03.01.2015 # 139 spins
Zero Appearance : 3
Previous 3 spin Pattern Appearance : 01Total Flat Betting : +15 units
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 07:37 PM 2015
Spielbank: Wiesbaden : Table #2 03.01.2015 # 139 spins
Zero Appearance : 3
Previous 3 spin Pattern Appearance : 01
Total Flat Betting : +15 units
flat betting
not bad
any plus flat betting double dozens is amazing
139 spins is 46 mini games
+46 units with 1 3 9
i test like you....but i place insurance on 0....BUT if a 0 shows in a 3 spin mini game i sit out the next 3 like u suggested
so if this happens:
1 2 2
1 0 2
i do not lose.....insurance on 0
then next 3 no bet
I remember a system Turbo posted on his now defunct web site. I don't remember the name of it, but it was betting against the last four dozens repeating back to back. 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27. It did pretty well, but remember, this is a martingale. You can win steadily for a very long time missing the losing series. But unless you're just lucky, you're going to hit losers. And of course math says that there's just enough losing runs vs winning runs to end up minus 2.7%
I'm not trying to throw water on the fire, just squirt a slight mist on it.
Remember, you're in quicksand territory.
Good Luck. I hope you tiptoe through the tulips long enough to get that $4K for your TV.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Dec 02, 07:55 PM 2015
I remember a system Turbo posted on his now defunct web site. I don't remember the name of it, but it was betting against the last four dozens repeating back to back. 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27. It did pretty well, but remember, this is a martingale. You can win steadily for a very long time missing the losing series. But unless you're just lucky, you're going to hit losers. And of course math says that there's just enough losing runs vs winning runs to end up minus 2.7%
I'm not trying to throw water on the fire, just squirt a slight mist on it.
Remember, you're in quicksand territory.
Good Luck. I hope you tiptoe through the tulips long enough to get that $4K for your TV.
GLC
of course
always a risk
preliminary test stages as of now
all of my charts passed the test except for 1 which had one repeat
Spielbank: Wiesbaden : Table #3 03.01.2015 # 227 spins
Zero Appearance : 9
Previous 3 spin Pattern Appearance : 03 (in one instance literally 121-121-121-the other was isolated)
Total Flat Betting : -18 units
IMO combinations that have repeating numbers in it shouldn't be played - ex. 121, 333, 112, etc.
123 123
132 132
213 213
231 231
312 312
321 321
this 6 are the main one.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 08:02 PM 2015
Spielbank: Wiesbaden : Table #3 03.01.2015 # 227 spins
Zero Appearance : 9
Previous 3 spin Pattern Appearance : 03 (in one instance literally 121-121-121-the other was isolated)
Total Flat Betting : -18 units
flat betting will not work
because if we play 6 mini games and they all win on the 3rd spin, we wont profit
Quote from: JahVinci on Dec 02, 08:05 PM 2015
IMO combinations that have repeating numbers in it shouldn't be played - ex. 121, 333, 112, etc.
123 123
132 132
213 213
231 231
312 312
321 321
this 6 are the main one.
#139 Spins =
6/0 (W/L)
#227 Spins =
13/0
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 08:07 PM 2015
flat betting will not work
because if we play 6 mini games and they all win on the 3rd spin, we wont profit
Sorry about that.....I was using 1-3-9, not flat betting :wink:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 08:14 PM 2015
Sorry about that.....I was using 1-3-9, not flat betting :wink:
perhaps me not seeing a 3 repeat for 600 spins was straight luck
if u go back to all the charts i posted in this thread a 3 repeat occured one time
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
try this
when you see one of the following bet it will not repeat
123
132
213
231
312
321
plenty of betting opportunities, PLENTY
and all ive seen so far winning
Jahvinci is playing only against these 6 and doing well
I had 323 repeat. Its not on this list
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 09:06 PM 2015
try this
when you see one of the following bet it will not repeat
123
132
213
231
312
321
plenty of betting opportunities, PLENTY
and all ive seen so far winning
Jahvinci is playing only against these 6 and doing well
I had 323 repeat. Its not on this list
Just keep in mind you might be waiting 17+ spins for to come around :ooh:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 02, 09:26 PM 2015
Just keep in mind you might be waiting 17+ spins for to come around :ooh:
Well look at some spins i didnt see many long waits
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 09:30 PM 2015
Well look at some spins i didnt see many long waits
just checked nearly 500 spins and only 25 bets........so roughly 1 bet every 20 spins......so 1 loss kills nearly 10hrs of work :ooh:
At this point we may looking too deep into it
We arent going to play over 100 spins or 50 spins for that matter at a table
Im getting PMs from people making money against 123 and making money against previous 3 so i think we might be overthinking this
Tomorrow im going to do tests with these theories based on columns and see if colums are better or worse then dozens
But we got something here
No matter what method we create there will be losers
I think we have in our favor that if we play 3 mini games at a table seeing 123 is slim. We are testing 100s of spins proving to ourselves 123 happens etc etc. We know it will but tons of money to be made with this
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 10:00 PM 2015
At this point we may looking too deep into it
We arent going to play over 100 spins or 50 spins for that matter at a table
Im getting PMs from people making money against 123 and making money against previous 3 so i think we might be overthinking this
Tomorrow im going to do tests with these theories based on columns and see if colums are better or worse then dozens
But we got something here
No matter what method we create there will be losers
I think we have in our favor that if we play 3 mini games at a table seeing 123 is slim. We are testing 100s of spins proving to ourselves 123 happens etc etc. We know it will but tons of money to be made with this
I agree to a point.......
GLC's warning was apt as this type of betting can kill a bankroll fast.
Perhaps looking at a combination of hit-and-run + a more conservative betting approach would be wise. Look at it as a long game........profit over 100s of spins.
Practically speaking, it is highly-improbable that the 1-2-3 bet selection hasn't been tried many times, and we have yet to see someone come out publicly with proof of a profit. (not difficult-just show a payout receipt) :question:
.....not saying it can't work, but if something seems to good to be true.......... :ooh:
Once again..........what is our unfair advantage against this bet selection?
Hit-and-Run Bet Selection +
Conservative Progression +
Long-Game Money Management (like the Labouchere) :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I tried the system at Celtic with fun money and I'm impressed about this just to see how far I can go without a loss. This is great.
Unfortunatly, I got a full loss after 66 spins, playing against previous 3 spins with insurance on zero, european wheel.
Before I lost I won on the first spin everytime (!) exept one. A dealer change changed the whole outcome.
It's funny how a dealer change can change a winning streak like this.
I attached the file so you can look at it if you want.
Just wanted to share my short experiment with this. Congrats on a great system.
Thanks guys for testing
Celescliff thats what i was seeing. Most wins 1st try. Scary how good it is
Ill be back tomorrow
:thumbsup:
Some 123 sequence test results:
Bet selection is to wait for 1st and 2nd dozen to appear consecutively then bet against the 3rd dozen, using 1-3-9 negative progression.
On a winning bet we reset the progression and start again, on a losing bet we increase progression and wait for next occurrence of the 12 sequence.
After losing on the 3rd stage of the progression we reset back to 1. No insurance bet on 0.
Starting bank was 2500, betting with a unit value of 5. I stopped after 2000 bets placed in each test. The spins are from live wheel results I downloaded a few years ago.
My results files are attached for anyone interested. If you find an error please let me know.
Set 1
--------
Bets Placed: 2000
Bets Won: 1291
Bets Lost: 709
Spins: 18895
End Bank: 895
Lowest Bank: 365
Set 2
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Bets Placed: 2000
Bets Won: 1315
Bets Lost: 685
Spins: 19115
End Bank: 2145
Lowest Bank: 1705
Set 3
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Bets Placed: 2000
Bets Won: 1276
Bets Lost: 724
Spins: 19230
End Bank: 1080
Lowest Bank: 820
I should also mention these spin results are from a European wheel.
Same as above using 231 sequence
Set 1
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Bets Placed: 2000
Bets Won: 1312
Bets Lost: 688
Spins: 18771
End Bank: 2300
Lowest Bank: 1955
Set 2
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Bets Placed: 1924
Bets Won: 1213
Bets Lost: 711
Spins: 18188
End Bank: 0
Lowest Bank: 0
Set 3
--------
Bets Placed: 2000
Bets Won: 1316
Bets Lost: 684
Spins: 18890
End Bank: 1280
Lowest Bank: 1095
Hi Tacwell, which software you use for testing?
Thanks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 02, 10:00 PM 2015
At this point we may looking too deep into it
We arent going to play over 100 spins or 50 spins for that matter at a table
Im getting PMs from people making money against 123 and making money against previous 3 so i think we might be overthinking this
Tomorrow im going to do tests with these theories based on columns and see if colums are better or worse then dozens
But we got something here
No matter what method we create there will be losers
I think we have in our favor that if we play 3 mini games at a table seeing 123 is slim. We are testing 100s of spins proving to ourselves 123 happens etc etc. We know it will but tons of money to be made with this
Unless a new system proves itself to be 100% profitable from day one, changes and variations of play are quickly volunteered and the original idea is diluted within a matter of days - please don't get me wrong as I'm certainly not knocking all the great input that comes through this forum but sometimes you need to step back and give the original idea a chance to shine.
Thousands of historical spins prove that multiple '123 combos' will always be just around the corner but by playing for a limited number of spins or jumping from table to table for each '3 spin combo' they can be avoided in the short term - long term may be a different story......................watch this space!
This system is a hard one to test as the play method is hit and run so the only true way to find out if it works is to play for real money using low value stakes as it is all about timing (what time you join a table/how long you stay and do you wait for a trigger or play immediately).
Happy testing.
Nick
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 04:47 AM 2015
Some 123 sequence test results:
Bet selection is to wait for 1st and 2nd dozen to appear consecutively then bet against the 3rd dozen, using 1-3-9 negative progression.
On a winning bet we reset the progression and start again, on a losing bet we increase progression and wait for next occurrence of the 12 sequence.
After losing on the 3rd stage of the progression we reset back to 1. No insurance bet on 0.
Starting bank was 2500, betting with a unit value of 5. I stopped after 2000 bets placed in each test. The spins are from live wheel results I downloaded a few years ago.
My results files are attached for anyone interested. If you find an error please let me know.
Set 1
--------
Bets Placed: 2000
Bets Won: 1291
Bets Lost: 709
Spins: 18895
End Bank: 895
Lowest Bank: 365
Set 2
--------
Bets Placed: 2000
Bets Won: 1315
Bets Lost: 685
Spins: 19115
End Bank: 2145
Lowest Bank: 1705
Set 3
--------
Bets Placed: 2000
Bets Won: 1276
Bets Lost: 724
Spins: 19230
End Bank: 1080
Lowest Bank: 820
I should also mention these spin results are from a European wheel.
2000 spins. 700 123 sequences? No thats not right. Recheck your tests. Thats 666 mini games
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 06:43 AM 2015
2000 spins. 700 123 sequences? No thats not right. Recheck your tests. Thats 666 mini games
Hi RG. Where do you see 2000 spins? The lowest number of spins is 19230 in those tests. 2000 is the number of bets placed.
Quote from: nextyear on Dec 03, 06:21 AM 2015
Hi Tacwell, which software you use for testing?
Thanks
Hi nextyear
I wrote a simple desktop application to use for testing, I code a new function for each system I want to test.
So 20000 spins is 6,666 mini games
If your numbers are right you saw 123 an average of every 9 mini games
6'666 divided by 700
Impossible
Every 28 spins. Every 9 mini games.
Not once. Not twice. 6 different sets?! No way.
About 3 people testing euro not in this thread PMing me never saw anything like that
One of the most important things i learned from Mr. J is not to trust a member who tests a system negatively who is brand new and has less then 50 posts. Something doesnt smell right. I dont need to say that though, people know
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 06:49 AM 2015
So 20000 spins is 6,666 mini games
If your numbers are right you saw 123 an average of every 9 mini games
6'666 divided by 700
Impossible
Every 28 spins. Every 9 mini games.
I think you're misunderstanding the bet selection, I'm waiting for 12 to show before betting against the the 3rd dozen, so many spins occur between bets being placed. When 12 appears, the "bets placed" counter gets incremented and the bet is placed. If it's a win the win counter is incremented and if not the loss counter is incremented as well as the progression.
So the 123 sequence occurred once for every loss, e.g. in the first test the sequence it occurred 709 times in 18895 spins.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 06:57 AM 2015
I think you're misunderstanding the bet selection, I'm waiting for 12 to show before betting against the the 3rd dozen, so many spins occur between bets being placed. When 12 appears, the "bets placed" counter gets incremented and the bet is placed. If it's a win the win counter is incremented and if not the loss counter is incremented as well as the progression.
So the 123 sequence occurred once for every loss, e.g. in the first test the sequence occurred 709 times in 18895 spins.
Impossible. 123 every 9 mini games on 3 separate 20000 spin test
Impossible
Ill never understand why people join and just try to trash a system with fake results
Under 5 posts. Geesh
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 06:58 AM 2015
Impossible. 123 every 9 mini games on 3 separate 20000 spin test
Impossible
Take some time to understand what you're looking at. There's a total of 3149 mini games for the first test. I'm not betting on every mini game, only on the 3rd part of the mini game, so if the first dozen comes up, there's no bet, if a 1 comes up again, that's your mini game complete, but with no bets, so it's not counted as a win or lose.
So 18895/3 = 3149. Of those 3149 mini games 2000 qualified for bets, and of those 2000 bets, the 123 sequence completed 709 times. Perfectly plausible.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 07:06 AM 2015
Take some time to understand what you're looking at. There's a total of 3149 mini games for the first test. I'm not betting on every mini game, only on the 3rd part of the mini game, so if the first dozen comes up, there's no bet, if a 1 comes up again, that's your mini game complete, but with no bets, so it's not counted as a win or lose.
So 18895/3 = 3149. Of those 3149 mini games 2000 qualified for bets, and of those 2000 bets, the 123 sequence completed 709 times. Perfectly plausible.
2000 bets. 700 times 123
Impossible
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 06:58 AM 2015
Impossible. 123 every 9 mini games on 3 separate 20000 spin test
Impossible
Ill never understand why people join and just try to trash a system with fake results
Under 5 posts. Geesh
I'm providing test results, which you can use, or not, who said anything about trashing? I don't have share these tests, I'm providing value to your thread. I would have posted the results if they were positive too. So no more testing then.
Cheers.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 07:10 AM 2015
I'm providing test results, which you can use, or not, who said anything about trashing? I don't have share these tests, I'm providing value to your thread. I would have posted the results if they were positive too. So no more testing then.
Cheers.
I appreciate testing
But what u just posted is so far off the cuff
You didnt see this 1 time. U saw it on 6 different sets
Either u have cruel intentions OR u tested wrong because what u saw is impossible
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 07:08 AM 2015
2000 bets. 700 times 123
Impossible
Well that's why i attached the test result files, go through them and see where it's possibly going wrong. betting against the 3rd dozen coming up 2000 times and losing 700 times is perfectly in line with the realm of probability, so very probable not impossible.
And this is just testing, not negative testing. If the results are not what you expect to see it doesn't make it negative testing.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 07:15 AM 2015
Well that's why i attached the test result files, go through them and see where it's possible going wrong. betting against the 3rd dozen coming up 2000 times and losing 700 times is perfectly in line with the realm of probability, so very probable not impossible.
And this is just testing, not negative testing. If the results are not what you expect to see it doesn't make it negative testing.
What you claim to have is impossible
123 will not happen every 9 mini games on 3 different 20000 spin tests
U said the exact quote another member did who had under 50 posts and left.....
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 07:17 AM 2015
What you claim to have is impossible
123 will not happen every 9 mini games on 3 different 20000 spin tests
It's not impossible at all, we're betting on the 3rd dozen not to show, what are the odds of that? 2/3, which means 1/3 chance of losing, regardless of whether the preceding spins show dozens 1 or 2 or not. And what is 2000 / 709? 2.8 - expected average would be 3, so pretty close to the expected result I'd say.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 07:32 AM 2015
It's not impossible at all, we're betting on the 3rd dozen not to show, what are the odds of that? 2/3, which means 1/3 chance of losing, regardless of whether the preceding spins show dozens 1 or 2 or not. And what is 2000 / 709? 2.8 - expected average would be 3, so pretty close to the expected result I'd say.
Of about 5 people testing heavily on euro. You are the only one with such claims
I am skeptical. And i am skeptical in my own right. You are new. Dont take it personal its the internet.
But i dont believe your results
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 02, 10:31 PM 2015
I tried the system at Celtic with fun money and I'm impressed about this just to see how far I can go without a loss. This is great.
Unfortunatly, I got a full loss after 66 spins, playing against previous 3 spins with insurance on zero, european wheel.
Before I lost I won on the first spin everytime (!) exept one. A dealer change changed the whole outcome.
It's funny how a dealer change can change a winning streak like this.
I attached the file so you can look at it if you want.
Just wanted to share my short experiment with this. Congrats on a great system.
This evening im goong to look heavier into this
Your results are very close to what i saw
Id like to test the against last 3 principle on columns as well
Celescliff looking forward to more tests from u :)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 07:33 AM 2015
Of about 5 people testing heavily on euro. You are the only one with such claims
I am skeptical. And i am skeptical in my own right. You are new. Dont take it personal its the internet.
But i dont believe your results
That's ok RG, I also don't believe everything I read on the internet. If you or anyone else is making money with the system then continue using it, but if at some point the winnings stop and you start taking losses, revert back to testing, maybe take a look at my results and make some tweaks to improve the system, instead of blindly believing in it and losing all your previous winnings and your bank roll.
I've been where you are now, believing I'd found a grail of some sort, more than once, with forex trading and sports betting, and the only thing that saved me from losing a fortune was being able to run simulated tests.
Below i have some pointers from a long term member who chooses to post sparingly but sends me pointers. Shared with permission. He is nice enough to share his successes with me
QuoteRG - just to clarify my plays. I only play for 1 win on 1 2 3 (& with my tests all the D's hit @ L1) so on any Dozen win I RUN to another table & play the same way with the Columns A B C, win on that & RUN again & play the 1 2 3 then the C's then the D's & so on.
Always resetting back to the start & therefore all the L1 bets are bet on the 2nd & 3rd positions. Lose go to L2 & bets as you know better than I are the 1st & 3rd, lose again & the bets are on the 1st & 2nd positions no matter if it's D's or C's.
In my test earlier today 9 bets won at L1 & only 1 needed & won at L2. Almost perfect.
This is something to consider. Play against 123 then next table play against ABC
Not a bad idea. Just made a really short and quick test during coffee break at work. I didn't change the table though. Notice what happens after
a short dealer change again. I would have lost if I was betting on the dozens. Dealer change is a nightmare but
5 wins out of 5. :)
I will test more with this when I get home from work.
Very cool
We have to see if this trend continues with columns
Going to test betting against ABC column sequence and bet against previous 3 columns
In your example betting against 123 and ABC won
Curious to see how long we can go before the previous 3 columns repeat
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 20, 10:50 AM 2015
Hi RG
after a look at the dozen distribution around the 00 wheel you can see 1,2,3 is scattered around the layout,the single 0 layout has 2,1,3 scattered around.
So perhaps the euro we should play 2,1,3
After some plays using 2,1,3 it became clear not the combo to play. The last 4 days been using 1,3,2 much better, ( but you could use a combo of your choice really)
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 03, 12:01 PM 2015
After some plays using 2,1,3 it became clear not the combo to play. The last 4 days been using 1,3,2 much better, ( but you could use a combo of your choice really)
Notto u have been testing this for awhile
In any instance did u have any indication that 123 will show once every 9 mini games? And if so do you think it could happen in 3 different 20,000 spin sets? Because ive been testing this since day one and the most ive seen 123 is once every 50 on euro
Thanks
Also check out betting against previous 3. Results VERY promising
Any combo have the same ODDS
I will post results soon
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 03, 12:07 PM 2015
Any combo have the same ODDS
I will post results soon
Orochi what results will you be posting?
Instances of 123 sequenecs? Or against previous 3? Dozens or columns? Lol
1 2 3
1 3 2
2 1 3
3 1 2
3 2 1
1 2 3 1 2 3
1 3 2 1 3 2
2 1 3 2 1 3
3 1 2 3 1 2
3 2 1 3 2 1
2 Millions spins soo far
Its something the law said and ray.
Been using 1,3,2 for the mini game, but wait for part of the combo to lose. Not gone beyond 4, 1,3,9,27 over the last 4 days,also not seen 1,3,2/1,3,2
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 03, 12:13 PM 2015
Its something the law said and ray.
Been using 1,3,2 for the mini game, but wait for part of the combo to lose. Not gone beyond 4, 1,3,9,27 over the last 4 days,also not seen 1,3,2/1,3,2
This is good news notto good luck
123 is the american wheel answer
Not the euro answer
Too many 123 on euro
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 12:06 PM 2015
Notto u have been testing this for awhile
In any instance did u have any indication that 123 will show once every 9 mini games? And if so do you think it could happen in 3 different 20,000 spin sets? Because ive been testing this since day one and the most ive seen 123 is once every 50 on euro
Thanks
Also check out betting against previous 3. Results VERY promising
RG if you'd read my test description you'd know that my "mini games" all start with the "12" sequence in the 123 tests, if the above tests by nottophammer are done using mini games starting with the first spin (2 in his case) then they won't be comparable to my tests. Maybe this is where you're getting confused.
I was waiting for the second dozen to hit after the first dozen to start the "mini game".
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 12:22 PM 2015
RG if you'd read my test description you'd know that my "mini games" all start with the "12" sequence in the 123 tests, if the above tests by nottophammer are done using mini games starting with the first spin (2 in his case) then they won't be comparable to my tests. Maybe this is where you're getting confused.
I was waiting for the second dozen to hit after the first dozen to start the "mini game".
Ok. But you still saw a 123 sequence 700 times in 20000 spins
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 12:24 PM 2015
Ok. But you still saw a 123 sequence 700 times in 20000 spins
Yes, it will be interesting to see nottophammer's final results.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 12:26 PM 2015
Yes, it will be interesting to see nottophammer's final results.
This thread is too good
Ill leave it with that i just dont believe the results because you only have about 10 posts. Too many people testing. If u saw 1 in 9 being 123 someone would have picked up on it by now. You saw it in 3 20000 spin sets
I dont buy it
Instead of arguing which i hate ill just say i dont believe you
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 12:24 PM 2015
Ok. But you still saw a 123 sequence 700 times in 20000 spins
Actually "123" and "120" as I wasn't covering the 0 as i said in the description.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 12:33 PM 2015
This thread is too good
Ill leave it with that i just dont believe the results because you only have about 10 posts. Too many people testing. If u saw 1 in 9 being 123 someone would have picked up on it by now. You saw it in 3 20000 spin sets
I dont buy it
Instead of arguing which i hate ill just say i dont believe you
Like I said, that's ok if you don't believe me. Every spin is in those files I attached, so if you feel up to it you can scroll through and see the losing bets and see if my calculations are correct.
The law? Nottophammer? The people private messaging me but not posting here? Anyone see 123 every 10 mini games? Anyone?
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 12:35 PM 2015
Like I said, that's ok if you don't believe me. Every spin is in those files I attached, so if you feel up to it you can scroll through and see the losing bets and see if my calculations are correct.
The files I used for the spins are actually from this site, I googled the file names and found them here:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3844.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3844.0)
The 3 I used were
20091016_20101116_0210.txt
20091016_20101116_0211.txt
20091016_20101116_0212.txt
Ok well its null And void
I apologize
This is rng u tested
rng does not count
Rng doesnt behave like a wheel
Even if it is random
I knew something was up
See the results of the simulations:
any sequence have 1,12% of probability to appear 1 time in 99 spins.
1 in 90 spins
1 2 3 can appear max 7 times in 99 spins, extreme rare event
1 2 3 1 2 3 can appear max 2 times in 99 spins, extreme rare event
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 03, 12:45 PM 2015
See the results of the simulations:
any sequence have 1,12% of probability to appear 1 time in 99 spins.
1 in 90 spins
1 2 3 can appear max 7 times in 99 spins, extreme rare event
1 2 3 1 2 3 can appear max 2 times in 99 spins, extreme rare event
Thanks orichi
Makes sense.
Can you test ameican at all?
Most i saw was 2 in 100 spins
Extreme rare event as u stated is 7 times in 99. Thats less then 1 in 10. So his results of 1 in 9 in three 20k spin tests must be rubbish
No way did he have an extreme rare event 700 times per 20k spin samples LOL
i wheel test in american wheel, running 10 millions spins test for better accuracy for the european wheel, them i will swap for american.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 12:49 PM 2015
Thanks orichi
Makes sense.
Can you test ameican at all?
Most i saw was 2 in 100 spins
Extreme rare event as u stated is 7 times in 99. Thats less then 1 in 10. So his results of 1 in 9 in three 20k spin tests must be rubbish
Also include the 0 in the results, eg, 120 which is also a losing bet if not covering the 0.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 12:55 PM 2015
Also include the 0 in the results, eg, 120 which is also a losing bet if not covering the 0.
Please use real spins. Not RNG. EVER
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 12:56 PM 2015
Please use real spins. Not RNG. EVER
Quote from: iggiv on May 05, 10:01 PM 2011
single zero -- yes, from real german casinos.
double zero generated by RNG, but very unbiased and powerful one, from random.org
Seriously man, the above quote is from the original poster on that thread regarding the files. The files I used were single zero files. Who is trashing who here? If there's an error in my files show me where it is, and i'll fix it and rerun the tests.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 12:58 PM 2015
Seriously man, the above quote is from the original poster on that thread regarding the files. The files I used were single zero files. Who is trashing who here? If there's an error in my files show me where it is, and i'll fix it and rerun the tests.
An extreme rare event you saw happen many multiple times in multiple 20k sets
What u tested i believe was random.org
Not possible
maybe is playing wrong way
this is the way i test it
im testing bet's only the math numbers
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 12:59 PM 2015
An extreme rare event you saw happen many multiple times in multiple 20k sets
What u tested i believe was random.org
Not possible
I can't prove beyond what the original poster said, so it is a possibility I suppose.
Anyway, enjoy the emotional whirlpool that is the holy grail. You're in good and proper. First warning sign is thoughts of the possibility of finally finding the grail, second warning sign is planning what you're going to do with the money you're going to win, third warning sign is discounting negative results without further analysis. It's a tough ride man. It's all you can think about day and night.
I've done what I can here. Enjoy your 4k television.
Cheers.
i don't know how u test it ! u did something wrong
1,12% of probability in my test against 10,5% in tour test !?!?!?!
in my test
2.101.986 spins
combination 1 2 3 appear 7.816 times it makes 1,1160% is 1/90 spins
NOTES:
combination 1 2 3 appear 1 times ever 90 spins
combination 1 2 3 appear 2 times ever 157 spins
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 03, 01:03 PM 2015
maybe is playing wrong way
this is the way i test it
Yes what we r doing is separating 3 spins into mini games
Either betting against 123 sequence from occuring or betting against previous 3. On any win wait until the 3 spins expire then start again. If win on step 1 sit out next 2 if win on step 2 sit out next 1
Just beginning to dabble in columns now...
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 03, 01:09 PM 2015
I can't prove beyond what the original poster said, so it is a possibility I suppose.
Anyway, enjoy the emotional whirlpool that is the holy grail. You're in good and proper. First warning sign is thoughts of the possibility of finally finding the grail, second warning sign is planning what you're going to do with the money you're going to win, third warning sign is discounting negative results without further analysis. It's a tough ride man. It's all you can think about day and night.
I've done what I can here. Enjoy your 4k television.
Cheers.
Until someone with more then 15 forums posts confirms your results i call them either false or RNG
You match the criteria of someone who is a past poster reincarnated who seeks to deligtamize a system
Your focus is here only
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 03, 01:14 PM 2015
i don't know how u test it ! u did something wrong
1,12% of probability in my test against 10,5% in tour test !?!?!?!
in my test
2.101.986 spins
combination 1 2 3 appear 7.816 times it makes 1,1160% is 1/90 spins
NOTES:
combination 1 2 3 appear 1 times ever 90 spins
combination 1 2 3 appear 2 times ever 157 spins
Good results. Falls in line with most
Thanks for the test
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 03, 01:14 PM 2015
combination 1 2 3 appear 1 times ever 90 spins
there are 9 combinations correct ?
123
132
213
231
312
321
111
222
333
& Orochi testing shows 123 hits once every 90 spins, that's EXACTLY what it should hit !!!!!
So where is you edge/advantage pls RG ? I just don't see it.......
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 03, 01:41 PM 2015
there are 9 combinations correct ?
123
132
213
231
312
321
111
222
333
& Orochi testing shows 123 hits once every 90 spins, that's EXACTLY what it should hit !!!!!
So where is you edge/advantage pls RG ? I just don't see it.......
O0
Betting against 123 occuring is a good bet selection.....thats how i see it.....
Do you agree based on the charts ive posted and the tests you see here?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 01:43 PM 2015
Betting against 123 occuring is a good bet selection.....thats how i see it.....
Do you agree based on the charts ive posted and the tests you see here?
Considering ANY of the 9 combinations all have the same chance to hit (approx 1/90 spins) I fall to see why 123 is superior.....
Looking at some of the posts I guess it's possible for some reason it's different on the American wheel.....
If 123 was winning flat betting then there maybe an edge but as you have stated a few pages it cannot be played
without a progression.
So, at the moment I fail to see an edge, sorry..... :-[
O0
Alright
I do see an advantage
With such a high win rate sometimes a progression makes sense
This is roulette
An unbeatable game in the long term
Therefore i REALLY like something that i can win 89 out of 90 times
Does it get better?
in reply 482
Orochi test.
The 1,3,2 hit straight away,but i said wait for 1 of the 3 minispins to lose then bet, so we had 1 lose, bet against 3 lose 1-1, bet against 2 lose 3-3, bet against 1 9-9 win.
Betting that the last sequence of 3 will not repeat seems the best bet selection according orochis graph.
So wait for three spins an bet against it. Will do test more with pinwheel Numbers.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 03, 02:27 PM 2015
Betting that the last sequence of 3 will not repeat seems the best bet selection according orochis graph.
So wait for three spins an bet against it. Will do test more with pinwheel Numbers.
I had scarey good results betting against previous 3
Of all my 123 testing charts only 1 chart had a 3 dozen repeat. 1 loss in 600 spins
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 01:57 PM 2015
Alright
I do see an advantage
With such a high win rate sometimes a progression makes sense
Okay RG, I will leave you too it :thumbsup:
O0
What about betting against the following pattern :
1-2-3
2-1-3
3-1-2
2-3-1
3-2-1
Surely......this must be a rare event :question:
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 03, 02:44 PM 2015
Okay RG, I will leave you too it :thumbsup:
O0
I just dont see it getting better
Some of the best players use progressions with good bet selections
I consider this a good bet selection
This is during my lunch break. I start to like betting against dozen and colums. :)
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 03, 03:48 PM 2015
This is during my lunch break. I start to like betting against dozen and colums. :)
Good results
I like
Ill test some in 2 hours
This may be better then betting against123. Because against 123 i always have 1 loss in 100 spins. This isnt the case with this new way. This can go hundreds of spins before a loss. By then we have profit
:thumbsup:
Yes RG nice and simple
1,3,2 holding up well against some aspers numbers.
# doz seq w/l
18 2 1 w
11 1 3 w
2 1 2 w
13 2 1 w
32 3 3 l bet now as 3 lost in mini group
35 3 2 w w now wait till another loss
32 3 1 w
2 1 3 w
26 3 2 w
34 3 1 w
24 2 3 w
22 2 2 l lose here but the group has won
19 2 1 w
34 3 3 l bet here
33 3 2 w win now wait for another mini group to have a loss
23 2 1 w
17 2 3 w
30 3 2 w
14 2 1 w
35 3 3 l
10 1 2 w w
2 1 1 l
24 2 3 w w
9 1 2 w
1 1 1 l
11 1 3 w w
17 2 2 l
6 1 1 l
33 3 3 l l
25 3 2 w w
13 2 1 w
27 3 3 l
6 1 2 w w
6 1 1 l
11 1 3 w w
36 3 2 w
5 1 1 l lose now bet against 3
35 3 3 l l lose 1-1 now bet against 2
13 2 2 l l lose 3-3 now bet against 1
35 3 1 w win 9-9
5 1 3 w
32 3 2 w
8 1 1 l
19 2 3 w w
26 3 2 w
33 3 1 w
32 3 3 l
29 3 2 w w
16 2 1 w
2 1 3 w
8 1 2 w
31 3 1 w
25 3 3 l
13 2 2 l l
32 3 1 w w
20 2 3 w
30 3 2 w
36 3 1 w
20 2 3 w
21 2 2 l
4 1 1 l
22 2 3 w w
1 mini group of 1,3,2 (5,35,13, 35) but there is a 1,2,3 as well (8,19,26,33) and 1 out of sequence
In cycles of 99 spins:
123 123 appear ratio is 1/900
The 9 patterns possible all have the same odds playing 123123 or 321321 is the same.
This makes 0,1111% probability.
This apply to next playing sample:
Spin.1. - DZ1
Spin.2. - DZ2
Spin.3. - DZ3
BET
Spin.4. - DZ2,DZ3
Spin.5. - DZ1,DZ3
Spin.6. - DZ1,DZ2
Conclusion:
Always bet the 3 previous pattern block of 3 last dozen.
28. DZ3
3. DZ1
17. DZ2
34. DZ3 (betting DZ1,2) L
14. DZ2 (betting DZ2,3) W
18. DZ2 no bet
6. DZ1 (betting DZ1,2) W
7. DZ1 no bet
31. DZ3 no bet
Resume:
READ 3 spins block,
BET next max next 3 spins stop at win
Restart
In attach is tracking sample sheet
Can someone Provide an excel tracker? Want to Test real duisburg spins...1 Month.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 03, 04:10 PM 2015
In cycles of 99 spins:
123 123 appear ratio is 1/900
The 9 patterns possible all have the same odds playing 123123 or 321321 is the same.
This makes 0,1111% probability.
This apply to next playing sample:
Spin.1. - DZ1
Spin.2. - DZ2
Spin.3. - DZ3
BET
Spin.4. - DZ2,DZ3
Spin.5. - DZ1,DZ3
Spin.6. - DZ1,DZ2
Conclusion:
Always bet the 3 previous pattern block of 3 last dozen.
28. DZ3
3. DZ1
17. DZ2
34. DZ3 (betting DZ1,2) L
14. DZ2 (betting DZ2,3) W
18. DZ2 no bet
6. DZ1 (betting DZ1,2) W
7. DZ1 no bet
31. DZ3 no bet
Resume:
READ 3 spins block,
BET next max next 3 spins stop at win
Restart
In attach is tracking sample sheet
Little confused. You are betting against 123 and against the previous 3?
Nevermind. I understand
This way of play is proving itself and is most definitely worthy of a progression
The loss will come but we should be in profit and recovery should be easy
Orochi let me say your example on how to play is spot on
Good explanation
The stats that i post maybe are wrong i need to analize formulas again.
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 03, 01:41 PM 2015
there are 9 combinations correct ?
123
132
213
231
312
321
111
222
333
& Orochi testing shows 123 hits once every 90 spins, that's EXACTLY what it should hit !!!!!
So where is you edge/advantage pls RG ? I just don't see it.......
O0
Hi ddarko
If any specific sequence of 3 dozens hits once every 90 spins i do see an advantage in betting against that.
If we look at the odds of it hitting on a euro wheel, 12/37 = 0.324 for one dozen, therefore 0.324 * 0.324 * 0.324 = 0.034 for the sequence which is 3.4 percent, so 90 * 0.034 is 3.06, which is where I see the advantage.
Also, winning 1 unit every 3 spins and loosing 26 units every 90 spins leaves us 3 units up.
I could be off though, it is the early hours of the morning here.
Just tested from spin 210 in american Zumma
first chart is betting against 1 2 3 sequence
second chart is betting against the previous 3
green is the win and where i stop and wait for the 3 to end and then begin again
i really like the against previous 3......
no 123 loss which is an anomaly, on the american wheel i usually have at least 1 sequence of 123 in a test
the no repeat i expected...most wins straight away
betting against previous 3 consistently looks much more stable...such a beautiful chart for that with no losses.....
this is such an easy way to win a few units fast and move on
with such consistent results i dont know how anyone can trash this i just dont get it...just be happy and make money with it
I would like to reiterate that i have tested about 8 different 75 spin charts, roughly 200 mini games.....and only had ONE 3 dozen sequence repeat from previous 3.....1 3 9 successful on all and most on first bet.....
if everyone played this at the casinos they would have a problem
there is absolutely no reason not to place a small insurance chip on 0
@Tacwell
My point was kinda why 123 instead of any of the other combinations.....
Why is 123 so special from the others ?
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 03, 05:57 PM 2015
@Tacwell
was point was kinda why 123 instead of any of the other combinations.....
Why is 123 so special from the others ?
O0
its not that its so special...
its the basis for a simple system
its the basis for a new way of thinking
and it makes money
i know several up thousands of dollars with it....
some words from someone winning with betting against 1 2 3 and then betting against ABC
and its what I have been saying!!!!!!
Quote
1st up I never lost a L3 bet & they only hit twice so that's OK because when they hit the balance was at +100 units, so if a L3 had of lost it would pretty much put the betting back to square 1 but lady luck saw it hang there & keep on building the profit. L2 bets hit 10 times & L1 wins came in 38 times.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 05:58 PM 2015
its not that its so special...
its the basis for a simple system
its the basis for a new way of thinking
and it makes money
i know several up thousands of dollars with it....
If you
do wish to find out if 123 is special, run all 9 combinations from one set of spins....
see what differences there are, then run more n more spins & single or double zero etc etc :thumbsup:
Also RG, through no fault of your own, this thread has a lot of different ways of playing 123. As it looks like you getting close
to playing this for real & regularly, why not start some new threads where ppl can leave their results regarding the
specific method of playing that you state in the 1st post ?
That way it will be a bit clearer for ppl ? Only a thought
not a criticism..... :thumbsup:
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 03, 06:11 PM 2015
If you do wish to find out if 123 is special, run all 9 combinations from one set of spins....
see what differences there are, then run more n more spins & single or double zero etc etc :thumbsup:
Also RG, through no fault of your own, this thread has a lot of different ways of playing 123. As it looks like you getting close
to playing this for real & regularly, why not start some new threads where ppl can leave their results regarding the
specific method of playing that you state in the 1st post ?
That way it will be a bit clearer for ppl ? Only a thought not a criticism..... :thumbsup:
O0
i agree
so many variations
many people are probably confused
the main thoughts are
-bet against 1 2 3 formation on dozens
-bet against A B C formation on columns
new thought
-bet against previous 3 (see all my charts in this thread to see how damn successful this is)
always in 3 bet spurts, when win wait for 3 spins to expire
i keep saying ill simulate columns, but eh....why...no need
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 06:14 PM 2015
-bet against previous 3 (see all my charts in this thread to see how damn successful this is)
always in 3 bet spurts, when win wait for 3 spins to expire
I
know that has been tried before & failed.... I cannot remember the name of the thread but I know it's been tried before.
Maybe not Dozens & Columns maybe not the wait for 3 spins to expire bit. So with those variables changed who knows?
gl
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 03, 06:20 PM 2015
I know that has been tried before & failed.... I cannot remember the name of the thread but I know it's been tried before.
Maybe not Dozens & Columns maybe not the wait for 3 spins to expire bit. So with those variables changed who knows?
gl
O0
thats the thing
i dont think its ever been tested in 3 spin mini games before
only on a rolling basis...which WILL fail
i have tested over 600 spins (over 200 mini games).....playing the mini game way I have had 1 repeat....charts are here in thread
look at past 3, bet against it. if win on spin 1, sit out next 2 spins, if win on spin 2, sit out next spin, if win on spin 3, bet next spin
several posters, i think buffalo wizard and turbo both had something similar on a rolling basis.....doesnt work....mini games, much different...NOTHING AGAINST either of them...i think buffalowizard has GREAT ideas
Well maybe, that makes the difference then, honestly hitting & running to another table doesn't.
Pls if you are going to play this get at least 10,000 placed bets tested & see where the land lies.....
Like I stated earlier I will now leave you to it :thumbsup:
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 03, 06:27 PM 2015
Well maybe, that makes the difference then, honestly hitting & running to another table doesn't.
Pls if you are going to play this get at least 10,000 placed bets tested & see where the land lies.....
Like I stated earlier I will now leave you to it :thumbsup:
O0
thanks
and i think im over 10,000 with all the members that tested it not in this thread, and those who have...similar situations....with the exception of the new guy who i believe used RNG or is an imposter...hard to tell these days
orochi explains well:
"Always bet the 3 previous pattern block of 3 last dozen.
28. DZ3
3. DZ1
17. DZ2
34. DZ3 (betting DZ1,2) L
14. DZ2 (betting DZ2,3) W
18. DZ2 no bet
6. DZ1 (betting DZ1,2) W
7. DZ1 no bet
31. DZ3 no bet
Resume:
READ 3 spins block,
BET next max next 3 spins stop at win
Restart
In attach is tracking sample sheet"
$650 bankroll
$25 chips
3 mini games a day
$75 profit
5 days a week
$375 a week
$1500 a month
totally feesible
attached chart says show me the money. as u can see betting on a rolling basis loses. must be mini games in sets of 3. win? now wait until 3 spins are up. max wait? 2 spins. big deal
i switch tables after a win because then it would take too long........i can win, goto next table, win goto next table
look at row 2. we have a win in column one. sit out the next 2 spins. no bets until it gets to next row
celescliff look at this chart...we have very similar results
heres why i think this is working
1) we have a 66% chance of winning when betting 2 dozens
2) we are betting against a pattern, which is rare to repeat
so we are combining a 66% chance of winning with betting against a repeat which does not happen often which increases the chances
as other members suggested can we divide the wheel into twelves and use the same principle? why? its easier to lay 2 chips then to lay 24
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 06:52 PM 2015
celescliff look at this chart...we have very similar results
Looks good. Really promising. During your tests, how often do the third bet come in?
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 03, 08:28 PM 2015
Looks good. Really promising. During your tests, how often do the third bet come in?
Most wins 1st and 2nd. Rarely on 3rd
The more i test the more i see more 1st and 2nd column wins against previous 3 then against 123
Betting against previous 3 is stable
Just ran a few quick tests with the following :
Bet Against :
1-2-3
2-1-3
3-1-2
2-3-1
3-2-1....then restart with 1-2-3 again followed by 2-1-3...etc
It like a constant moving target!
This is the best that I've seen so far......showed profit using 1-3-9 progression on all games :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 03, 08:54 PM 2015
Just ran a few quick tests with the following :
Bet Against :
1-2-3
2-1-3
3-1-2
2-3-1
3-2-1....then restart with 1-2-3 again followed by 2-1-3...etc
It like a constant moving target!
This is the best that I've seen so far......showed profit using 1-3-9 progression on all games :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Interesting
Played as standard mini game? On a win wait for 3 spins to end then start again?
So if win on 2nd spin of game 1 sit out 3rd spin and then bet against 213?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 08:57 PM 2015
Interesting
Played as standard mini game? On a win wait for 3 spins to end then start again?
So if win on 2nd spin of game 1 sit out 3rd spin and then bet against 213?
Correct....played as full mini-game and wait after a win if necessary...
You quickly realize that you have to hit just the right combo for this to fail (1 out of 5). :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 03, 09:00 PM 2015
Correct....played as full mini-game and wait after a win if necessary...
You quickly realize that you have to hit just the right combo for this to fail (1 out of 5). :thumbsup:
Makes sense. Because we static bet 123 hoping we wont hit it
This way constatly switching it up we would have to be spot on
Good tweek
Wiesbaden Table #2 31.10.2015 #158 spins
Using moving 1-2-3(x5) Method
Losses : -01 (-26 units if using 1-3-9 progression)
Wins : +48
Total : +22 units
Wiesbaden Table #3 03.01.2015 #227 spins
Using moving 1-2-3(x5) Method
Losses : 00 (00 units if using 1-3-9 progression)
Wins : +75
Total : +75 units
Wiesbaden Table #2 03.01.2015 #139 spins
Using moving 1-2-3(x5) Method
Losses : 00 (00 units if using 1-3-9 progression)
Wins : +46
Total : +46 units
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 03, 09:16 PM 2015
Wiesbaden Table #3 03.01.2015 #227 spins
Using moving 1-2-3(x5) Method
Losses : 00 (00 units if using 1-3-9 progression)
Wins : +75
Total : +75 units
Yowsa
U just tested 3 big sets and had 1 loss
174 mini games
173 wins
1 loss
Thats what u just had
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 03, 09:18 PM 2015
Yowsa
U just tested 3 big sets and had 1 loss
174 mini games
173 wins
1 loss
Thats what u just had
Correct :thumbsup:
Wiesbaden Table #2 01.08.2015 #188 spins
Using moving 1-2-3(x5) Method
Losses : -01 (-26 units if using 1-3-9 progression)
Wins : +62
Total : +36 units
237 mini games
235 wins
2 losses
wow! betting previous 3 is on of the best system i've ever tried, but could you suggest me if it hits 0 ?
Ok, last for today, and still no loss! :thumbsup:
Quote from: tonowen on Dec 03, 10:59 PM 2015
wow! betting previous 3 is on of the best system i've ever tried, but could you suggest me if it hits 0 ?
Yes, it's great. :)
Look at the picture I attached at row 10, column H. I got a 0 there, and I won it since I bet on that as an insurance. If a zero comes up track a three spin mini game and start again.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 03, 11:42 PM 2015
Yes, it's great. :)
Look at the picture I attached at row 10, column H. I got a 0 there, and I won it since I bet on that as an insurance. If a zero comes up track a three spin mini game and start again.
Yes if 0 comes sit out the next 3 spin mini game
If
103
Next 3 spins no bet
And its ok cause we have insurance on 0
Best ive seen to
Thanks, suppose my progression is 100-300-900. How much to bet 0 ?
Sorry guys.....I got mixed up......what is the best for euro so far ?
and what is 1-2-3(x5) Method?
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 03, 08:54 PM 2015
Just ran a few quick tests with the following :
Bet Against :
1-2-3
2-1-3
3-1-2
2-3-1
3-2-1....then restart with 1-2-3 again followed by 2-1-3...etc
It like a constant moving target!
This is the best that I've seen so far......showed profit using 1-3-9 progression on all games :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
@ rfmaxx
Dont find any advantage in the math results,
and done some tests with diferent play styles bets and all fail in long-run.
Sorry RG. I was hoping this could lead to someting different.
I remember that this method was tested before in "johnlegend" hit and run systems.
Sry, cant help anyone with this, i came to a dead end.
This is no beter than other methods found in this forum.
Quote from: tonowen on Dec 03, 10:59 PM 2015
wow! betting previous 3 is on of the best system i've ever tried, but could you suggest me if it hits 0 ?
Yea seems to be. Over 600 spins all good. 1 loss. If 0 shows no problem. Insurance chips
But sit out the next mini game
Doing that i havent suffered a loss except for 1 mini game 323 323
Quote from: ptzelepis on Dec 04, 01:28 AM 2015
Sorry guys.....I got mixed up......what is the best for euro so far ?
Its all decent
The law tweaked it to a X5 see his post. He was able to dramatically increase wins from betting static against 123
And betting against previous 3. See my chart or celes chart on how to play it
The previous 3 is proving to be a solid money maker with few losses. Not to be played on a rolling basis like the past failure systems. Must be played in mini game sets. On a rolling basis like how john legend played i believe, it failed.
I tested 30 games which is nothing...but.....it did win all 30 and most of them on the first go.
What I like is how you use the combination of 123 in it's different guises because many times you will get at least two of the same dozen in any three spins. So it has to find a 123 and also in the exact order for the set you are playing against to beat you.
Here are my results.
123-222 (w)
213-331 (w)
312-331 (lw)
231-321 (w)
321-123 (w)
123-311 (w)
213-323 (w)
312-231 (w)
231-323 (w)
321-112 (w)
123-111 (lw)
213-132 (w)
312-311 (llw)
231-211 (lw)
321-112 (w)
123-323 (w)
213-221 (lw)
312-321 (lw)
231-223 (lw)
321-111 (w)
123-212 (w)
213-121 (w)
312-212 (w)
231-312 (w)
321-311 (lw)
123-232 (w)
213-311 (w)
312-222 (w)
231-332 (w)
321-121 (w)
Reading some of the posts on this thread is funny. There is no H.G. Just find a method that can make you a few quick bucks and go and enjoy dinner or a show. This is one of those where I would play until the first loss or until I made enough to pay for the dinner or show. It's all gambling at the end of the day. Well done to all those who made a positive contribution in this thread.
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 04, 07:10 AM 2015
I tested 30 games which is nothing...but.....it did win all 30 and most of them on the first go.
What I like is how you use the combination of 123 in it's different guises because many times you will get at least two of the same dozen in any three spins. So it has to find a 123 and also in the exact order for the set you are playing against to beat you.
Here are my results.
123-222 (w)
213-331 (w)
312-331 (lw)
231-321 (w)
321-123 (w)
123-311 (w)
213-323 (w)
312-231 (w)
231-323 (w)
321-112 (w)
123-111 (lw)
213-132 (w)
312-311 (llw)
231-211 (lw)
321-112 (w)
123-323 (w)
213-221 (lw)
312-321 (lw)
231-223 (lw)
321-111 (w)
123-212 (w)
213-121 (w)
312-212 (w)
231-312 (w)
321-311 (lw)
123-232 (w)
213-311 (w)
312-222 (w)
231-332 (w)
321-121 (w)
Reading some of the posts on this thread is funny. There is no H.G. Just find a method that can make you a few quick bucks and go and enjoy dinner or a show. This is one of those where I would play until the first loss or until I made enough to pay for the dinner or show. It's all gambling at the end of the day. Well done to all those who made a positive contribution in this thread.
Thanks wiggy
Yes thelaws tweak is cool
When minds come together and tweak good things like this happen
I still like 123 but the law variation and betting against previous 3 is proving to be more stable
Also. U tested properly. Im testing sets of 75. Testing long term millions doesnt mean much
Against previous 3 is so good its scarey. But it must be tested and played properly
What makes laws so successful is whats the chances we will choose the exact sequence. We probably wont. So it wins as u have shown
So here is where I stand with this method:
It works well, but I'm assuming that I have a sledgehammer waiting to smash my bankroll.
So bet the 1-2-3(x5) "Moving Target" method with 1-3-9 progression. I would play 5 mini-games and then move to another table.
Then on a loss (-26 units) we use Labouchere Money Management.***note that this is the key.....MM will win long-term, not bet selection***
Bankroll: 520 units (allows for 20 losses of base)
One final note: I'm not sure that we're going to get any more random than this, so Progression + Money Management are the actual HG :thumbsup:
GLC.....if you see this post, and can add any tweaks, I would love to get your opinion......Thanks! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 04, 09:11 AM 2015
So here is where I stand with this method:
It works well, but I'm assuming that I have a sledgehammer waiting to smash my bankroll.
So bet the 1-2-3(x5) "Moving Target" method with 1-3-9 progression. I would play 5 mini-games and then move to another table.
Then on a loss (-26 units) we use Labouchere Money Management.***note that this is the key.....MM will win long-term, not bet selection***
Bankroll: 520 units (allows for 20 losses of base)
One final note: I'm not sure that we're going to get any more random than this, so Progression + Money Management are the actual HG :thumbsup:
GLC.....if you see this post, and can add any tweaks, I would love to get your opinion......Thanks! :)
You're "moving target" way is simply working amazing. So is previous 3.....
What you did was take a new way of thinking and applied it very well
I will add:
No need to search for the loser. The loser will come its inevitable in roulette
The point is are we in profit before the 1 in 100 hits
No need to test 1 million spins. 100 to 200 spin sets are sufficient
If we want to make a few units a day with this it is almost a guarantee
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 04, 09:11 AM 2015
So here is where I stand with this method:
It works well, but I'm assuming that I have a sledgehammer waiting to smash my bankroll.
So bet the 1-2-3(x5) "Moving Target" method with 1-3-9 progression. I would play 5 mini-games and then move to another table.
Then on a loss (-26 units) we use Labouchere Money Management.***note that this is the key.....MM will win long-term, not bet selection***
Bankroll: 520 units (allows for 20 losses of base)
One final note: I'm not sure that we're going to get any more random than this, so Progression + Money Management are the actual HG :thumbsup:
GLC.....if you see this post, and can add any tweaks, I would love to get your opinion......Thanks! :)
Could you explain how to use Labouchere for dozens and columns bet?
The law,
The losses are so infrequent and so spread out on your new way and the previous 3 way that when we do hit a loser we should still be in profit. And if not we can up the units and recover faster
Use a small small small base unit say $1. On a loss up it to $10 and recover in 1 or 2 mini games
There is a member who is testing live wheel. No thousands, millions spins nonsense. Real life play
He is well in profit where if he loses 1 3 9 it wouldnt hurt at all
Alternating between 123 dozens and ABC columns
So when the loss comes he can take it and still be profit or just up the unit for 1 or 2 mini games
I said this many times in this thread: we are smart enough to make a system work that fails one time every couple of hundred spins
Your moving target is perfect for that. Of COURSE we will hit a loss
Either way i just dont see a mechanical system being any better
With me testing hundreds of spins with no loss
Wiggy testing about 100 with no loss
Celes testing many with no loss
And the law testing hundreds of spins some with no loss
I cant understand why this isnt more popular
perhaps the sun square has attracted them again.
RG out with the old carving knife (wife), whilst waiting nipped in the bookies,looked at the last 11 spins off the 1,3,2 grouping,the last 2 groups the 1 lost, so had 1 spin to get the 4 groups done. pushed the button 1 lost,so should have bet the 3 to lose, 1 came, so waited. next group started again the 1 lost so this time i bet the 3 would lose for 5-5 and duely won my fiver.
RG i'd say this is your cash cow
Nottophammer
Try the laws variation
Moving target
You will be pleasently surprised
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 04, 03:44 PM 2015
I cant understand why this isnt more popular
What is a surprise to me is how come onetaste hasn't posted since page1 ?
Bit strange....... :o
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 04, 04:09 PM 2015
What is a surprise to me is how come onetaste hasn't posted since page1 ?
Bit strange....... :o
O0
I believe he said he was taking a break for some months
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 04, 04:10 PM 2015
I believe he said he was taking a break for some months
Surely somebody has told how this thread has grown & grown no ?
O0
I saw onetatse reading this thread the day before yesterday
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 04, 04:01 PM 2015
perhaps the sun square has attracted them again.
RG out with the old carving knife (wife), whilst waiting nipped in the bookies,looked at the last 11 spins off the 1,3,2 grouping,the last 2 groups the 1 lost, so had 1 spin to get the 4 groups done. pushed the button 1 lost,so should have bet the 3 to lose, 1 came, so waited. next group started again the 1 lost so this time i bet the 3 would lose for 5-5 and duely won my fiver.
RG i'd say this is your cash cow
Hey notto
Forgive me. Sometimes i dont understand what you are saying
???
But i hope sun square hasnt attracted anyone lol
I read it again. I understand what u r saying.
Very good friend
Quote from: tonowen on Dec 04, 11:47 AM 2015
Could you explain how to use Labouchere for dozens and columns bet?
So a full loss is 26 units.......then we start a line :
1(represents 26 units)
If we lose, then our line is 1-1 (52 units)-so next bet is 2 unit base bet....
If we win, then we've recouped our 26 unit loss, so we start over....
Every loss = just add first and last number on the line for new bet :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 04, 12:47 PM 2015
The law,
The losses are so infrequent and so spread out on your new way and the previous 3 way that when we do hit a loser we should still be in profit. And if not we can up the units and recover faster
Use a small small small base unit say $1. On a loss up it to $10 and recover in 1 or 2 mini games
There is a member who is testing live wheel. No thousands, millions spins nonsense. Real life play
He is well in profit where if he loses 1 3 9 it wouldnt hurt at all
Alternating between 123 dozens and ABC columns
So when the loss comes he can take it and still be profit or just up the unit for 1 or 2 mini games
I said this many times in this thread: we are smart enough to make a system work that fails one time every couple of hundred spins
Your moving target is perfect for that. Of COURSE we will hit a loss
Either way i just dont see a mechanical system being any better
I am just being conservative as I firmly believe that there is a sequence just around the corner to kill a Marti.... :ooh:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 04, 04:45 PM 2015
I am just being conservative as I firmly believe that there is a sequence just around the corner to kill a Marti.... :ooh:
With real money i play a break even. So i only win on step 1
Progression is 1 2 6
Its perfect for betting against previous 3 because most wins are on step 1 see my chart
In about 1 hour will post 4 tests
One against previous 3
One moving target
It will be from american zumma
Then i will do the same for euro from smart live
Total of 4 tests
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 04, 04:09 PM 2015
What is a surprise to me is how come onetaste hasn't posted since page1 ?
Bit strange....... :o
O0
Maybe he tested with millions of spins instead of hundreds.
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 04, 07:10 AM 2015
I tested 30 games which is nothing...but.....it did win all 30 and most of them on the first go.
What I like is how you use the combination of 123 in it's different guises because many times you will get at least two of the same dozen in any three spins. So it has to find a 123 and also in the exact order for the set you are playing against to beat you.
Here are my results.
123-222 (w)
213-331 (w)
312-331 (lw)
231-321 (w)
321-123 (w)
123-311 (w)
213-323 (w)
312-231 (w)
231-323 (w)
321-112 (w)
123-111 (lw)
213-132 (w)
312-311 (llw)
231-211 (lw)
321-112 (w)
123-323 (w)
213-221 (lw)
312-321 (lw)
231-223 (lw)
321-111 (w)
123-212 (w)
213-121 (w)
312-212 (w)
231-312 (w)
321-311 (lw)
123-232 (w)
213-311 (w)
312-222 (w)
231-332 (w)
321-121 (w)
Reading some of the posts on this thread is funny. There is no H.G. Just find a method that can make you a few quick bucks and go and enjoy dinner or a show. This is one of those where I would play until the first loss or until I made enough to pay for the dinner or show. It's all gambling at the end of the day. Well done to all those who made a positive contribution in this thread.
A lot of the W's seem to appear on the first or second bet.
My W/L results were as follows.
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l
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l
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l
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The biggest gap there where you wouldn't have 2 consecutive wins was 3 bets.
So my MM would be to use a parlay bet where you are looking for 2 consecutive wins.
Here are the details including the 9 levels.
1) a. 4. 00 = 4x1. 00 win 6. 00 lose 4. 00
b. 6. 00 = 4x1. 50 win 9. 00 lose 4. 00
2) a. 8. 00 = 4x2. 00 win 12. 00 lose 12. 00
b. 12. 00 = 4x3. 00 win 18. 00 lose 12. 00
3) a. 16. 00 = 4x4. 00 win 24. 00 lose 28. 00
b. 24. 00 = 4x6. 00 win 36. 00 lose 28. 00
4) a. 24. 00 = 4x6. 00 win 36. 00 lose 52. 00
b. 36. 00 = 4x9. 00 win 54. 00 lose 52. 00
5) a. 44. 00 = 4x11. 00 win 66. 00 lose 96. 00
b. 66. 00 = 4x16. 50 win 99. 00 lose 96. 00
6) a. 80. 00 = 4x20. 00 win 120. 00 lose 176. 00
b. 120. 00 = 4x30. 00 win 180. 00 lose 176. 00
7) a. 144. 00 = 4x36. 00 win 216. 00 lose 320. 00
b. 216. 00 = 4x54. 00 win 324. 00 lose 320. 00
8} a. 260. 00 = 4x65. 00 win 390. 00 lose 580. 00
b. 390. 00 = 4x97. 50 win 585. 00 lose 580. 00
9) a. 480 = 4x120. 00 win 720. 00 lose 1060. 00
b. 720. 00 = 4x180. 00 win 1080. 00 lose 1060. 00
total bankroll needed 1060. 00
I will go through my wins and losses again and show what levels got reached.
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w (won at level 1.)
l (lost at level 1.)
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w (won at level 2.)
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w (won at level 1.)
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w (won at level 1.)
l (lost at level 1.)
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w (won at level 2.)
l (lost at level 1.)
l (lost at level 2.)
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l (lost at level 3.)
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w (won at level 4.)
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l (lost at level 1.)
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l (lost at level 2.)
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l (lost at level 3.)
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w (won at level 4.)
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w (won at level 1.)
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w (won at level 1.)
l (lost at level 1.)
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w (won at level 2.)
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w (won at level 1.)
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w (won at level 1.)
It's a hefty bankroll required but would be pretty much bombproof unless you were really unlucky. Any win at a level results in a profit and then you would reset back to level 1. The stakes may need to be slightly adjusted depending on betting restrictions in your area.
here it is
IT CONTINUES
not a single loss
I am not the smartest man here. nor do i claim to be. BUT I am smart enough to call something good when its good! nor do i claim it cannot lose. what I do claim is the wins will outweigh the losses.
1st chart, betting against previous 3
2nd chart, The Law's moving target
The Law, if you haven't done so yet, stand up and pat yourself on the back...because it is good
if naysayers come, do not take their word....test for YOURSELF to make a determination. we are approaching 40 pages, naysayers are enroute. so test yourselves. people will come and say it fails long term but the only holder of such claims should be YOURSELVES. If its doing good for YOU then go by that
thanks to all
these charts represent a series from the American Zumma...26 mini games ---- 78 spins
I cannot explain it but we are all experiencing majority of wins in column 1....WHY?!?!?!
what separates this from the other failed previous attempts is that its mini games and not rolling.
wiggy....you said dinner and a show? hehehehe how about many dinners and many shows
p.s. betting against previous 3 mini game is still proving to be superior as far as stability goes
this puppy is stellar
RG
in those 26 groups i see a 1,2,3. But dont see 1,3,2. so would 1,3,2 be the euro combo?
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 04, 06:35 PM 2015
RG
in those 26 groups i see a 1,2,3. But dont see 1,3,2. so would 1,3,2 be the euro combo?
yes 123 happened once....which is expected
will happen once every 50 to 100 spins
this was using american wheel numbers so not sure
i strictly bet against previous 3 and the law tweak in those 2 tests. green is the win in the mini game
Another quick test.
123-323 (w)
213-123 (w) level 1 win.
312-221 (w)
231-213 (lw)
321-133 (w) level 2 win.
123-323 (w)
213-112 (w) level 1 win.
312-313 (llw)
231-223 (lw)
321-321 (lll)
123-222 (w)
213-121 (w) level 7 win.
312-313 (llw)
231-213 (lw)
321-313 (lw)
123-221 (w) level 5 win.
213-331 (w)
312-221 (w) level 1 win.
231-313 (w)
321-323 (lw)
123-332 (w) level 2 win.
213-233 (lw)
312-132 (w) level 2 win.
231-311 (w)
321-231 (w) level 1 win.
123-221 (w)
213-122 (w) level 1 win.
312-123 (w)
231-123 (w) level 1 win.
321-311 (lw)
123-221 (w) level 2 win.
213-121 (w)
312-222 (w) level 1 win.
231-111 (w)
321-113 (w) level 1 win.
34 wins vs 1 loss playing 11-33-99
14 wins vs 0 loss playing 9 level parlay progression.
I will play this live over the weekend. Not sure which progression I will use yet. I will probably chicken out and use the 11-33-99 although to be fair to it, it's cheaper and looks like it produces the goods even with the odd loss here and there.
Thanks guys for sharing.
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 04, 06:41 PM 2015
Another quick test.
123-323 (w)
213-123 (w) level 1 win.
312-221 (w)
231-213 (lw)
321-133 (w) level 2 win.
123-323 (w)
213-112 (w) level 1 win.
312-313 (llw)
231-223 (lw)
321-321 (lll)
123-222 (w)
213-121 (w) level 7 win.
312-313 (llw)
231-213 (lw)
321-313 (lw)
123-221 (w) level 5 win.
213-331 (w)
312-221 (w) level 1 win.
231-313 (w)
321-323 (lw)
123-332 (w) level 2 win.
213-233 (lw)
312-132 (w) level 2 win.
231-311 (w)
321-231 (w) level 1 win.
123-221 (w)
213-122 (w) level 1 win.
312-123 (w)
231-123 (w) level 1 win.
321-311 (lw)
123-221 (w) level 2 win.
213-121 (w)
312-222 (w) level 1 win.
231-111 (w)
321-113 (w) level 1 win.
34 wins vs 1 loss playing 11-33-99
14 wins vs 0 loss playing 9 level parlay progression.
I will play this live over the weekend. Not sure which progression I will use yet. I will probably chicken out and use the 11-33-99 although to be fair to it, it's cheaper and looks like it produces the goods even with the odd loss here and there.
Thanks guys for sharing.
thank you for the legitimate test
happy winnings this weekend
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 04, 06:15 PM 2015
wiggy....you said dinner and a show? hehehehe how about many dinners and many shows
RG, It feels great to get excited again about putting a good plan into action. I can't wait to try it out. :thumbsup:
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 04, 06:47 PM 2015
RG, It feels great to get excited again about putting a good plan into action. I can't wait to try it out. :thumbsup:
when you play live perhaps use small units so that if the 1 in 100 loss comes and you hapen to hit it you can up the units and recoup quick
good luck
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 04, 06:41 PM 2015
Another quick test.
123-323 (w)
213-123 (w) level 1 win.
312-221 (w)
231-213 (lw)
321-133 (w) level 2 win.
123-323 (w)
213-112 (w) level 1 win.
312-313 (llw)
231-223 (lw)
321-321 (lll)
123-222 (w)
213-121 (w) level 7 win.
312-313 (llw)
231-213 (lw)
321-313 (lw)
123-221 (w) level 5 win.
213-331 (w)
312-221 (w) level 1 win.
231-313 (w)
321-323 (lw)
123-332 (w) level 2 win.
213-233 (lw)
312-132 (w) level 2 win.
231-311 (w)
321-231 (w) level 1 win.
123-221 (w)
213-122 (w) level 1 win.
312-123 (w)
231-123 (w) level 1 win.
321-311 (lw)
123-221 (w) level 2 win.
213-121 (w)
312-222 (w) level 1 win.
231-111 (w)
321-113 (w) level 1 win.
34 wins vs 1 loss playing 11-33-99
14 wins vs 0 loss playing 9 level parlay progression.
I will play this live over the weekend. Not sure which progression I will use yet. I will probably chicken out and use the 11-33-99 although to be fair to it, it's cheaper and looks like it produces the goods even with the odd loss here and there.
Thanks guys for sharing.
Wiggy are these euro spins, lots of 1,2,3 combos, as said to RG is 1,3,2 the combo for euro wheel, only see it once
Nottophammer,
The dozens on the left are what I am playing against which are variants of 123 and the dozens on the right are what appeared. Yes, it's euro spins.
You are right. Only one set of 1,3,2 appeared. Out of the 35 sets on the right, 27 had a double in them. That's what I like about the moving target idea with the 1,2,3 variations.
cheers
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 04, 06:59 PM 2015
Wiggy are these euro spins, lots of 1,2,3 combos, as said to RG is 1,3,2 the combo for euro wheel, only see it once
Slowly getting away form static betting a set
These tweaks are superior
Warning : Danger!!! Danger!!!
Wiesbaden Table #3 03.01.2015 #293 spins
Using moving 1-2-3(x5) Method
Losses : 05 (130 units if using 1-3-9 progression)
Wins : +92
Total : -38 units
***2 of these full losses were within 8 games of each other***
This sequence also kills Labouchere Money Management dead :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
This is the type of sequence that I was afraid of while using Marti............
Try that same sequence
But against previous 3
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 04, 07:43 PM 2015
Try that same sequence
But against previous 3
Tried the previous 3 before, but had very poor results......this does appear to be a superior bet, but that sledgehammer is always waiting..... :ooh:
Its ok
No worries
We have tested this enough to know its good
Plus we wont be at a table long enough to have 5 losses.
We are in and out
I will continue to test
The law all your tests were positive. This test is minus 38 units. You would still be positive if you add all your tests up. Keep going
This test was minus 38. Take that away from your other tests you are still positive
334 mini games
327wins
7 losses
Ok
Lets recap
You had
As per your prior tests on moving targets:
+75
+46
+22
+36
-38 (97 mini games. 5 lost) most recent test
So you would still be way up
Secondly the 5 losses in last test were not back to back. Therefore if using small unit size you could have upped the units on next mini game to recoup quickly
So two ways to play
1. Large units play 2 games quit
2. Small units on a loss raise units and recoup quickly
We have to be able to deal with a mini game loss effectively. They are going to happen
So for example if playin $1 chips and lose a mini game next mini game use $10.
No problems. Only solutions
Your most recent test was 97 mini games. 5 lost. In real life play you would have experienced only 1 of those losses. 293 spins is a long time!
Think about that. In a prior test you had 1 loss and still won big. Same would have happened here. You arent sticking around for 5 losses. Thats a long time
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 04, 07:57 PM 2015
Ok
Lets recap
You had
+75
+46
+22
+36
-38
So you would still be way up
Secondly the 5 losses in last test were not back to back. Therefore if using small unit size you could have upped the units on next mini game to recoup quickly
So two ways to play
1. Large units play 2 games quit
2. Small units on a loss raise units and recoup quickly
At this point, I think the best bet is to just use the 1-3-9 Marti and hope for the best (also use hit-and-run).
I wish that I could get behind a recoup strategy, but just 1 wrong game and we're have a huge hole to get out of moving forward.... :question:
I edited the post theres more lol
Keep testing law see what happens.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 04, 07:57 PM 2015
Ok
Lets recap
You had
As per your prior tests on moving targets:
+75
+46
+22
+36
-38 (97 mini games. 5 lost) most recent test
So you would still be way up
Secondly the 5 losses in last test were not back to back. Therefore if using small unit size you could have upped the units on next mini game to recoup quickly
So two ways to play
1. Large units play 2 games quit
2. Small units on a loss raise units and recoup quickly
We have to be able to deal with a mini game loss effectively. They are going to happen
So for example if playin $1 chips and lose a mini game next mini game use $10.
No problems. Only solutions
Your most recent test was 97 mini games. 5 lost. In real life play you would have experienced only 1 of those losses. 293 spins is a long time!
Think about that. In a prior test you had 1 loss and still won big. Same would have happened here. You arent sticking around for 5 losses. Thats a long time
I see your point, but I've seen the wheel rear it's ugly head at the worst time.......so I would probably just stick to the 1-3-9.
At this point, it's either : go for solid wins using 1-3-9 over 100s of spins, or risk losing big with a recoup strategy.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 04, 08:14 PM 2015
I see your point, but I've seen the wheel rear it's ugly head at the worst time.......so I would probably just stick to the 1-3-9.
At this point, it's either : go for solid wins using 1-3-9 over 100s of spins, or risk losing big with a recoup strategy.
If you dont see a back to back loss. Which u havent. Then recoup will work. Use next mini game to recoup
Only time recoup wont work is if u see a back to back loss
Slim to none
In your tests have u seen back to back?
The way we will play in real life. Real table. Real dealer. It will win
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 04, 08:17 PM 2015
If you dont see a back to back loss. Which u havent. Then recoup will work. Use next mini game to recoup
Only time recoup wont work is if u see a back to back loss
Slim to none
In your tests have u seen back to back?
Not yet, but keep in mind, we also didn't expect 5 losses so close together.
I've seen too many systems fail when someone says-"but what are the chances this could happen?". If we used a 10x recoup bet, then we could be on the hook for 260 units........that's a bankroll killer! >:D
I prefer to look at 100s or 1000s of spins and find a profit without the risk of killing my bankroll.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 04, 08:24 PM 2015
Not yet, but keep in mind, we also didn't expect 5 losses so close together.
I've seen too many systems fail when someone says-"but what are the chances this could happen?". If we used a 10x recoup bet, then we could be on the hook for 260 units........that's a bankroll killer! >:D
I prefer to look at 100s or 1000s of spins and find a profit without the risk of killing my bankroll.
5 losses in 293 spins is not a killer
We have a bet selection thats the best on this forum
Wiesbaden : Table #4 07.02.2015
First 10 spins :
2-9-19 against 123 Win
13-7-33 against 213 Loss
33-11-19 against 312 Loss
.............this is what I was afraid of......... :sad2:
Every test ive done against previous 3 has been a winner except for1
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 04, 09:30 PM 2015
Every test ive done against previous 3 has been a winner except for1
Can't say that I've had the same luck...... :ooh:
Havent read the entire thread.
But this concept will only fail longterm. Betting against 1,2,3 dozen formation we are using a progression of 26 units total. The pattern 1,2,3 will occur on average once every 27 patterns (3x3x3=27). So win 26 times in a row +26 then the 27th game will lose so +26 -26 = 0
I think the only way any method will win longterm is by playing it for a short amount of time then never again.
Just had a thought :
What about combining a rare event with a rare event.
So you wait for 2 of the same dozen to hit, then bet against the next 3 spins with the corresponding 1-2-3 patern.
Ex:
2
2 (now bet using a 2-1-3 or 2-3-1)
3 (win)
1
3
3 (now bet using 3-2-1 or 3-1-2)
3
1
1 (win)
This allows us to use two strategies at once. :thumbsup:
Beginning to realize i post for no reason
This game will always lose. No matter what. The key is overcoming the loss
You find a teriffic bet selection where you can overcome a loss and its still not good enough
We find a bet selection that wins a lot
Not good enough
Whats the point
Every good thread has the same fate after 500 posts
No matter the winning method people will come and give reasons why it wont win long term
The fate of this thread was inevitable
Im going to use these principles and win
You will not find bet selecetions with better hit rates then those in this thread
Still not good enough
Why are you all here? To find reasons why a method cannot work? Stop that bullshit. Find a way to MAKE IT WORK, not give excuses why it cant
Does negativity drive you?
MAKE IT WORK. Make the damn method work. Stop testing a million spins
Go and win for christs sake
Is this a forum of excuses or a forum of minds that seek to make something good work
Just trying to help RG.
We find roulette interesting thats why I am here. Would never get negative only realistic.
I think the moving target should be the method we play not just a moving target within one method.
There are hundreds of methods on different forums. Play them all only once for a short time then never again.
The 1,2,3 concept was looked at extensively with CODE 4 (4 wide pattern 1,2,3,3 ect in all forms instead of 1,2,3), PATTERN BREAKER etc etc
CODE 4 will 100% fail longterm, but I am willing to gamble that I can win 100? units with it, but then never play the method again.
All methods when tested "longterm" will have many stretches were they win above average. When we start playing a method or testing a method and it is winning nicely we feel confident that we can play this method for years to come but this is not realistic unless it has been tested over a vast amount of spins and proven without a doubt to be so.
I think 90% of the time we play or test a method for the first time it will do just fine over ?500 spins perhaps ?2000 but inevitably wins and losses will average out, this is the name of the game.
I am just saying play a method for a short amount of time or until you lose a certain amount then never play the method again.
I think we might just come out ahead.
If anything, as you say, at least we are playing : )
Quote from: amk on Dec 04, 09:55 PM 2015
Havent read the entire thread.
But this concept will only fail longterm. Betting against 1,2,3 dozen formation we are using a progression of 26 units total. The pattern 1,2,3 will occur on average once every 27 patterns (3x3x3=27).
Yet when we provide test data to back this up we get told our results are impossible and our tests are rubbish and we're only here to discredit his winning system.
Good luck
RG,
We don't mean to discourage you, just trying to caution you from making the same mistake our friend Le_Chiffre did. He got carried away and lost most of his hard earned money. Money he couldn't afford to lose. It saddened me unbelievably. That's why I'm always urging members to be cautious with their systems. If you think out posts are just negative silliness, then please take them with a grain of salt. Some of us have been frustrated by systems gone bad so many times, that we no longer have your enthusiasm.
We all wish you the best of luck on this system.
GLC
Look at our charts
If you dont believe in it just look at the charts
GLC you make a very important and good Point.
Cheers
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 04, 09:00 PM 2015
Wiesbaden : Table #4 07.02.2015
First 10 spins :
2-9-19 against 123 Win
13-7-33 against 213 Loss why not rebet 213 whats the count for back to back
33-11-19 against 312 Loss
.............this is what I was afraid of......... :sad2:
Quote from: GLC on Dec 05, 12:17 AM 2015
We all wish you the best of luck on this system.
Dear George you couldnt said it better.
There is no luck in this game I am afraid. This dream here for some will only become mathematical certainty.
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 05, 05:46 AM 2015
Dear George you couldnt said it better.
There is no luck in this game I am afraid. This dream here for some will only become mathematical certainty.
This dream here for some will only become mathematical certainty.
Note the word
someMath is always there but not necessarily going to bite you on your arse.
To get to the moon, math, the suspension bridge,math.
So when you math boys going to produce the fomula to beat roulette.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 06:13 AM 2015
So when you math boys going to produce the fomula to beat roulette.
That's pretty tough considering Einstein declared it impossible.
yes and Hawking would as well.
But if you are lucky, (math probaly work that out as well)the sledge hammer Law talks of, you might never meet. I have a friend who is so lucky, and i mean lucky, he probaly never meet the sledge hammer from hell.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 06:13 AM 2015
So when you math boys going to produce the fomula to beat roulette.
You already have it in GUT. Shouldnt that be enough?
:girl_to:
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 06:30 AM 2015
yes and Hawking would as well.
But if you are lucky, (math probaly work that out as well)the sledge hammer Law talks of, you might never meet. I have a friend who is so lucky, and i mean lucky, he probaly never meet the sledge hammer from hell.
Yeah just stay within positive deviation and you'll be fine. That sledge hammer is waiting for you just south of negative standard deviation.
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 05, 06:39 AM 2015
You already have it in GUT. Shouldnt that be enough?
yes play that thanks to Winkel. but its nice to see people still trying to find a bet, (KISS)
Look at the attached chart
I have seen this not once. Not twice. But over 20 times
If im expected to believe this is no good i am not that naive
Im not abandoning something because a few people say it will fail long term
I have about 20 charts like this
Id be a fool to give up on it
Much money to be made
Ill leave the thread with that
20 charts of not one single loss
Ill take my chances
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 08:04 AM 2015
Look at the attached chart
I have seen this not once. Not twice. But over 20 times
If im expected to believe this is no good i am not that naive
Im not abandoning something because a few people say it will fail long term
I have about 20 charts like this
Id be a fool to give up on it
Much money to be made
Ill leave the thread with that
20 charts of not one single loss
Ill take my chances
Interestingly if you were still playing against 123 you would have lost twice on that chart.
Good luck RG, no one said you mustn't play your system, potential hazards were simply pointed out, with that information anyone reading the thread can make an informed decision as to whether they want to use this system or not.
Keep your discipline, stop when you lose, keep emotions at bay, and you should be ok.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 05, 08:26 AM 2015
Interestingly if you were still playing against 123 you would have lost twice on that chart.
Good luck RG, no one said you mustn't play your system, potential hazards were simply pointed out, with that information anyone reading the thread can make an informed decision as to whether they want to use this system or not.
Keep your discipline, stop when you lose, keep emotions at bay, and you should be ok.
Any and all methods will have hazards
The chart had one 123 mini game sequence. Which as ive been saying is expected. 1 in 100 for 00 wheels
123 does not effect me because id use small units then up my units on the next mini game to recoup
To make a method successful we have to stay sharp.
If you know of a better hit rate bet selection im all ears
With a hit rate like this we can overcome the occassional loss..i know about 5 people who are winning big and are choosing not to post
If i was playing 123 and hit one 123 sequence in 100 spins and couldnt overcome or make it work then id quit roulette
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 08:37 AM 2015
If you know of a better hit rate bet selection im all ears
With a hit rate like this we can overcome the occassional loss..i know about 5 people who are winning big and are choosing not to post
If i was playing 123 and hit one 123 sequence in 100 spins and couldnt overcome or make it work then id quit roulette
IF the average hit rate was one in a hundred we could all be rich. You only think it's 1/100 because to refuse to acknowledge long term tests which show the mean, your short term tests are above the mean and will eventually average out. To believe otherwise is to believe in magic, which I don't.
Your bet selection is no better than continuously betting any 2 dozens, so you may as well bet on dozen 1 and 2 every spin, it will eventually end up the same. To believe otherwise is also believing in magic. It's not difficult to work it out.
So play your system, but don't tell everyone else that they must ignore negative test results and that a sequence will hit one out of a hundred times.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 05, 10:22 AM 2015
IF the average hit rate was one in a hundred we could all be rich. You only think it's 1/100 because to refuse to acknowledge long term tests which show the mean, your short term tests are above the mean and will eventually average out. To believe otherwise is to believe in magic, which I don't.
Your bet selection is no better than continuously betting any 2 dozens, so you may as well bet on dozen 1 and 2 every spin, it will eventually end up the same. To believe otherwise is also believing in magic. It's not difficult to work it out.
So play your system, but don't tell everyone else that they must ignore negative test results and that a sequence will hit one out of a hundred times.
I didnt say ignore test results
I said the thread is passing 40 pages
Historically when that happens people with under 50 posts come and post negative results
So what i suggested is that people test on their own and go based on their own results
Looking at the test results of those in this thread by the people that have posted, this is NOT the same as betting any 2 dozens
Money talks and bullshit walks. Lots of people talkin. And you are doin a lot of walkin.
3 people i know of playing against 123 and winning
they say the name of the game is short sessions
my advice to those playing against 123 sequence
use small unit size. say $1
on a mini game loss up the unit size to $10 and recoup the units in the next 2 mini games
we have guys here playing online with 10p...so it wont break the bank....if someone is playing with 10p, they can surely play a 139, then on the occasional loss X10 the chip size for 6 spins
seeing 123 and then 123 back to back is such an extreme rarity i dont think we have seen it yet in live play but on thousand spin simulations we have seen it sporadically. so somewhat safe to recoup immediately after.
this is roulette, have to take chances
i think the new way of thinking is a major step in the right direction
if those messaging me can come in this thread and speak id be grateful
also the law had many successful positive tests.....why he let one session of -38 get him down is beyond me....he had 6 positive sessions prior
besides we arent sitting for 300 spins....so its a moot point...we will never see the 5 losses
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 10:27 AM 2015
I didnt say ignore test results
I said the thread is passing 40 pages
Historically when that happens people with under 50 posts come and post negative results
So what i suggested is that people test on their own and go based on their own results
Looking at the test results of those in this thread by the people that have posted, this is NOT the same as betting any 2 dozens
Money talks and bullshit walks. Lots of people talkin. And you are doin a lot of walkin.
Love this reply RG.
Now I've not long got back from Bookies using
rng now my aim was to play the 8 machines, 4 in each shop,H+R, to win a pound. Why a pound, 1-1,3-3,9-9, 27-27, can not bet anymore as be betting more than the max £100.00
Now i was being clever keeping track from the last 11 spins on the screen in my head should have took the old clip board, but the target of a pound from each machine was reached. As said to Ken behind the counter should have used £5 units, but as said must use a pound only, unless go to B+M.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 10:53 AM 2015
Love this reply RG.
Now I've not long got back from Bookies using rng now my aim was to play the 8 machines, 4 in each shop,H+R, to win a pound. Why a pound, 1-1,3-3,9-9, 27-27, can not bet anymore as be betting more than the max £100.00
Now i was being clever keeping track from the last 11 spins on the screen in my head should have took the old clip board, but the target of a pound from each machine was reached. As said to Ken behind the counter should have used £5 units, but as said must use a pound only, unless go to B+M.
thanks nottophammer....the machines are rng machine or airball? if rng please be careful.....
whats happening with the thread now should not upset me. it is expected after 40 pages
So test on rng success.
Went back to Corals played the same way but continued betting when the trig came, even staying at the same machine betting against 1,3,2 the 46 spins made £3.60 in 20 mins plus 2 zeros where no insurance, so a good method
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 10:59 AM 2015
So test on rng success.
Went back to Corals played the same way but continued betting when the trig came, even staying at the same machine betting against 1,3,2 the 46 spins made £3.60 in 20 mins plus 2 zeros where no insurance, so a good method
id agree with that statement, a good method
notto....im glad you found a 123 variation that is working better on euro
since you are on it now, maybe try a few mini games against previous 3, and try a few mini games using these same principles but on columns....if you wish....might work well as it is for me
someone is playing the 123 dozen, on a win switches machines then does ABC column
just rng
whilst waiting to get on a machine that had not played was watching Jamie lose his money, even watching his spins using 1,3,2 could have won on his spins,dont think he liked the comments,like i'd be betting 1,2 this spin or 1,3
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 11:04 AM 2015
just rng
whilst waiting to get on a machine that had not played was watching Jamie lose his money, even watching his spins using 1,3,2 could have won on his spins,dont think he liked the comments,like i'd be betting 1,2 this spin or 1,3
when i was in ireland, i was in CORK
there were tiny little casinos with a few machines...is that bookies?
the reason i say be careful with RNG is that even if it IS random and fair it still wont behave like a real roulette wheel so betting patterns like 132 may not work
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 10:41 AM 2015
use small unit size. say $1
on a mini game loss up the unit size to $10 and recoup the units in the next 2 mini games
is $1 the minimum for dozens at the B&M casino you play at RG ?
saying bet 10 times you initial stake sounds better to recoup as I'm fairly sure most ppl's minimum
at a B&M casino for outside bets would $5/£5/â,¬5 :thumbsup:
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 05, 11:17 AM 2015
is $1 the minimum for dozens at the B&M casino you play at RG ?
saying bet 10 times you initial stake sounds better to recoup as I'm fairly sure most ppl's minimum
at a B&M casino for outside bets would $5/£5/â,¬5 :thumbsup:
O0
was directed to those paying 10p online...........which many many do
RG
Bookmakers are shops where you can bet on Football,Horses,greyhounds and play egm's, which have reels like rainbow richies,poker and of course various Roulette games.
i havent been testing euro
but here is a quick test
1st chart is against previous 3 pattern repeating
2nd chart is betting against 132 as you suggest nottophammer
both positive.
the same as betting any 2 dozen? i think not
i will add this to my positive charts
at this point they are piling up
note: 25 mini games. 75 spins. STILL a LOT....we wont be there that long....no million spin nonsense. a smooth session. no loss.
one thing to point out, against previous 3 is so stable, STILL...rarely gets to third column. what separates it from other failed attempts is its not on a rolling basis, its mini games. i have has one mini game loss on betting against previous 3 in about 1000 spins now. if you see all my charts most previous 3 wins are column 1 and 2....very stable
tacwell tells me not to tell members 1 in 100....why? thats what im seeing....reporting what im seeing....testing....no reason to deceive anyone, im not selling anything
notto your 132 is proving itself....123 shows more on euro, 132 does not
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 11:32 AM 2015
i havent been testing euro
but here is a quick test
1st chart is against previous 3 pattern repeating
2nd chart is betting against 132 as you suggest nottophammer
both positive.
the same as betting any 2 dozen? i think not
i will add this to my positive charts
at this point they are piling up
note: 25 mini games. 75 spins. STILL a LOT....we wont be there that long....no million spin nonsense. a smooth session. no loss.
one thing to point out, against previous 3 is so stable, STILL...rarely gets to third column. what separates it from other failed attempts is its not on a rolling basis, its mini games. i have has one mini game loss on betting against previous 3 in about 1000 spins now. if you see all my charts most previous 3 wins are column 1 and 2....very stable
tacwell tells me not to tell members 1 in 100....why? thats what im seeing....reporting what im seeing....testing....no reason to deceive anyone, im not selling anything
notto your 132 is proving itself....123 shows more on euro, 132 does not
If those charts are the norm, then you could just bet the first column(on your chart-not roulette table) using a Labouchere.
The labouchere only needs a 2-to-1 win ratio to stay profitable. :thumbsup:
What about snake eyes 0 0 on bad run? or triple snake 0 0 0 ?
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Dec 05, 12:00 PM 2015
What about snake eyes 0 0 on bad run? or triple snake 0 0 0 ?
always insurance on 0
just enough to cover a loss
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 05, 11:59 AM 2015
If those charts are the norm, then you could just bet the first column(on your chart-not roulette table) using a Labouchere.
The labouchere only needs a 2-to-1 win ratio to stay profitable. :thumbsup:
definitely a thought
i cannot explain why but most wins for betting against previous 3 are in the 1st and 2nd columns....it makes no sense to me....why not the 3rd??
its a sign of stability
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 12:04 PM 2015
definitely a thought
i cannot explain why but most wins for betting against previous 3 are in the 1st and 2nd columns....it makes no sense to me....why not the 3rd??
its a sign of stability
See....now this is a great place to start!
We begin with a stable long-term bet selection with a stop-loss or fail-safe (switching tables or implement MM).
Then if we lose our first bank, then we hit it with something like the Labouchere MM strategy as discussed in prior posts.
The point here is that the initial bet selection is going to lose.........
......but we can use MM to get back in profit. :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 05, 12:09 PM 2015
See....now this is a great place to start!
We begin with a stable long-term bet selection with a stop-loss or fail-safe (switching tables or implement MM).
Then if we lose our first bank, then we hit it with something like the Labouchere MM strategy as discussed in prior posts.
The point here is that the initial bet selection is going to lose.........
......but we can use MM to get back in profit. :thumbsup:
agreed
i dont want to beat a dead horse but ill repeat what i have been saying
back to back losses are so extraordinarily rare that we can just UP the unit size following a loss and recoup immediately
ive never seen it.....back to back that is....so when it does happen the profits will more then outweigh it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 12:11 PM 2015
agreed
i dont want to beat a dead horse but ill repeat what i have been saying
back to back losses are so extraordinarily rare that we can just UP the unit size following a loss and recoup immediately
What happens if you hit the two-in a row that I showed in the chart?
I Know...I know......what are the chances?......but what about that 260 unit loss?......Ouch! :sad2:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 05, 12:14 PM 2015
What happens if you hit the two-in a row that I showed in the chart?
I Know...I know......what are the chances?......but what about that 260 unit loss?......Ouch! :sad2:
well what ARE the chances...youd have to hit the table at EXACTLY the right time
ive hand tested over 1000 spins in excel and havent seen it once.......BUT it WILL happen.....by then the profit outweighs it]
people playing this right now arent sticking around for losses...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 12:16 PM 2015
well what ARE the chances...youd have to hit the table at EXACTLY the right time
ive hand tested over 1000 spins in excel and havent seen it once.......BUT it WILL happen.....by then the profit outweighs it]
people playing this right now arent sticking around for losses...
I might not agree with you, but I do understand.
Many people play systems that win long-term, as they dodge the sledgehammer.
I tend to be a pessimist because of the "improbable" runs that I see during testing............like the 5 losses in 300 spins, or the 2 losses in a row.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 05, 12:19 PM 2015
I might not agree with you, but I do understand.
Many people play systems that win long-term, as they dodge the sledgehammer.
I tend to be a pessimist because of the "improbable" runs that I see during testing............like the 5 losses in 300 spins, or the 2 losses in a row.
im not seeing either
when i do you will know about it because im posting the charts
What about the one element called luck, as mentioned some posts back i've a mate who is lucky,when i say lucky i mean lucky.
if we're running behind for the train from footie and he's with us you bet the train is still there. playing footie you get injured out for weeks,him no chance out for a game. He's just lucky Sledge hammer not for him.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 12:34 PM 2015
What about the one element called luck, as mentioned some posts back i've a mate who is lucky,when i say lucky i mean lucky.
if we're running behind for the train from footie and he's with us you bet the train is still there. playing footie you get injured out for weeks,him no chance out for a game. He's just lucky Sledge hammer not for him.
check out the chart on previous page
i tested your 132
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 12:04 PM 2015
definitely a thought
i cannot explain why but most wins for betting against previous 3 are in the 1st and 2nd columns....it makes no sense to me....why not the 3rd??
its a sign of stability
Seriously? You're betting on two thirds of the wheel and you can't explain why most wins come in the first two???
.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 05, 12:39 PM 2015
Seriously? You're betting on two thirds of the wheel and you can't explain why most wins come in the first two???
ok tacwell. ok. you are the poster child as to what arrives once past 40 pages
lots of people here testing and having positive results. goto another thread?
-6 smites not enough. need more
nottophammer
he is another test i just ran on european wheel smart live numbers betting against 132
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 11:32 AM 2015
i havent been testing euro
but here is a quick test
1st chart is against previous 3 pattern repeating
2nd chart is betting against 132 as you suggest nottophammer
both positive.
the same as betting any 2 dozen? i think not
i will add this to my positive charts
at this point they are piling up
note: 25 mini games. 75 spins. STILL a LOT....we wont be there that long....no million spin nonsense. a smooth session. no loss.
one thing to point out, against previous 3 is so stable, STILL...rarely gets to third column. what separates it from other failed attempts is its not on a rolling basis, its mini games. i have has one mini game loss on betting against previous 3 in about 1000 spins now. if you see all my charts most previous 3 wins are column 1 and 2....very stable
tacwell tells me not to tell members 1 in 100....why? thats what im seeing....reporting what im seeing....testing....no reason to deceive anyone, im not selling anything
notto your 132 is proving itself....123 shows more on euro, 132 does not
yes nice chart
wiggy i know you played the laws 123 X5 variation today
here is actual euro numbers and how we would have done...(page 2 albahala smart live)
All mini games won. most on first bet. only one time did it reach 3rd bet and it won
another solid variation for sure
looking forward to your results
Actuals / Bet against
213 / 123 W
313 / 213 W
121 / 312 W
321 / 231 W
232 / 321 W
331 / 123 W
121 / 213 W
331 / 312 LW
223 / 231 LW
333 / 321 LW
311 / 123 W
223 / 213 LW
232 / 312 W
331 / 231 W
323 / 321 LLW
212 / 123 W
321 / 213 W
112 / 312 W
213 / 231 LW
331 / 321 LW
311 / 123 W
111 / 213 W
122 / 312 W
wise words
"Also I think you should push the H & R testing issue more = the time factor involved & the difference between multiple wheels VS. single long string results. They most certainly are 2 completly different animals. "
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 01:16 PM 2015
nottophammer
he is another test i just ran on european wheel smart live numbers betting against 132
Lot of first round wins here..........perhaps a parlay? :question:
4 in a row nets us around 7 units :thumbsup:
I am thinking about testing on lines
But can be too dangerous
Not sure yet
6 lines
Bet against 123456 or something like that :twisted:
Bad idea. Never mind
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 01:36 PM 2015
I am thinking about testing on lines
But can be too dangerous
Not sure yet
6 lines
Bet against 123456 or something like that :twisted:
Wonder how often they hit in order? 1-2-3-4-5-6 :question:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 01:36 PM 2015
I am thinking about testing on lines
But can be too dangerous
Not sure yet
6 lines
Bet against 123456 or something like that :twisted:
Bad idea. Never mind
RG
Gut is one of the best methods.
So Keep working on this, remember KISS keep it short and sweet
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 01:58 PM 2015
RG
Gut is one of the best methods.
So Keep working on this, remember KISS keep it short and sweet
NH,
I have a quick question....
If Winkel's GUT works so well, then why don't we see anyone posting long-term success with that method?
I have been openly critical of Winkel because of this very issue........what am I missing here?
Thanks! :)
If you're looking for system makers TurboGenius I hear
is good. Mr. J has an excellent rep. and so does Turner.
Also look up Katilla :)
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 05, 02:06 PM 2015
NH,
I have a quick question....
If Winkel's GUT works so well, then why don't we see anyone posting long-term success with that method?
I have been openly critical of Winkel because of this very issue........what am I missing here?
Thanks! :)
Gut, good ?. Now people who tried to play the Gut method probaberly used a computer tracker and to me you need to use my paper tracker. It shows how the trot is going,by this i mean you can see 0x's hitting and if a 1x has stopped the trot.
At the end of the day if you play to Winkels rules which i dont, you would not have spent any money untill the crossing comes,
this is where you need to see the trot. Shall i carry on, you never know the professor himself might come in, he aint helping me in £540.
14 viewing £540 now and only 1 reply, Math people seem only want to pull you apart, so RG keep it short and sweet. In then out like a burglar,LOL
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 11:22 AM 2015
RG
Bookmakers are shops where you can bet on Football,Horses,greyhounds and play egm's, which have reels like rainbow richies,poker and of course various Roulette games.
Yeah bookmakers are where you go to punt positive EV. They have FOBTs to catch punters chasing fantasies.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 05, 02:55 PM 2015
14 viewing £540 now and only 1 reply, Math people seem only want to pull you apart, so RG keep it short and sweet. In then out like a burglar,LOL
:thumbsup:
132 held on all euro tests. If a loss comes still ahead
Thanks for your backing here.
Ive never tested any method on this forum that had the win streaks these things do
123 X5 is special to. Math guys can say what they will
Normy2000 is using the same principle i have said in nexus thread
Use small units. On a loss increase unit size to recover
When losses are isolated it works
The law have u done any further 123 X5 testing?
I tested 2 sets of 75 spins all winners
Definitely good for a few mini games then stop
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 06:06 PM 2015
The law have u done any further 123 X5 testing?
I tested 2 sets of 75 spins all winners
Definitely good for a few mini games then stop
Not yet.....as soon as I saw the 2 losses in a row right after the 5 losses in one game, that was it for me. :ooh:
I'll probably do a few more tests to try to get to 1000 games and see how it stands up when I get some time.
Been following this post for the last week or so, looks very interesting results.
So I have been manually testing it against some of my passed numbers from the casino, as I record all spins while I play.
In about 250 mini games it only lost twice.
But both losses where on triple repeats such as 222 followed by 222.
Did anyone else experience this loss pattern more than others?
If so we could just skip playing a triple pattern
just did 26 mini games
american zumma
moving target...............speaks for itself
my personality type is to continuously justify something...thats my flaw....when i know something is good i will harp and harp and harp....
this sequence also beats previous 3....
Quote from: bigtim08 on Dec 05, 06:56 PM 2015
Been following this post for the last week or so, looks very interesting results.
So I have been manually testing it against some of my passed numbers from the casino, as I record all spins while I play.
In about 250 mini games it only lost twice.
But both losses where on triple repeats such as 222 followed by 222.
Did anyone else experience this loss pattern more than others?
If so we could just skip playing a triple pattern
same here....i had 2 random losses betting against previous 3........but not in 250 spins it was about 1000
you did good....in this game if we can only suffer two losses every 250 spin we are golden
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 06:57 PM 2015
just did 26 mini games
american zumma
moving target...............speaks for itself
my personality type is to continuously justify something...thats my flaw....when i know something is good i will harp and harp and harp....
this sequence also beats previous 3....
Look at all of those first round finishes! :love:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 05, 06:59 PM 2015
Look at all of those first round finishes! :love:
yessir
betting against any sequence always has 3rd bet wins
i cannot explain why betting against previous 3 rarely makes it to the 3rd bet thats why i say its more stable
there more to it then what meets the eye....
66% chance of winning COMBINED with betting the pattern wont repeat
Quote from: bigtim08 on Dec 05, 06:56 PM 2015
Been following this post for the last week or so, looks very interesting results.
So I have been manually testing it against some of my passed numbers from the casino, as I record all spins while I play.
In about 250 mini games it only lost twice.
But both losses where on triple repeats such as 222 followed by 222.
Did anyone else experience this loss pattern more than others?
If so we could just skip playing a triple pattern
if you like the principles in this thread...try 123, try the laws variation, and try against the previous 3 to see which one you like the most
Anyone tested to skip the third bet? 8 units is much less painful than 26. Just a thought.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 05, 07:14 PM 2015
Anyone tested to skip the third bet? 8 units is much less painful than 26. Just a thought.
Absolutely. I think betting only the first 2 bets of a mini game is genius. Lose 1st bet. Then bet 2nd. Win or lose sit out third spin
Makes reouping that much better
Winning on 3rd spin has proven to be much rarer then 1st or 2nd.
So if using 1 euro or dollar and lose, up to 10 euro or dollars next mini game and bam all your profit is back next mini game
That way is successful on all my charts where we bet 1st and 2nd if lose both UP the units next mini game
Very nice
"Cause the house always wins. Play long enough, you never change the stakes. The house takes you. Unless, when that perfect hand comes along, you bet big, then you take the house."
Play long enough, millions of spins the house takes you
Go in with a spectacular bet selection. Then get out quick. And you will always win.
When the perfect hand comes along is when we sit down and bet against previous 3. Stay long enough? You will LOSE
Use the principles in this thread coupled with short sessions and you WILL COME AHEAD i promise you that. if you stay 300 spins then you are asking for the sledgehamma
RG and fellow members, here's a very safe progression method for double dozens that's a slight twist on Lanky's 6 point divisor. It's like the very opposite of a martingale.
Instead of starting out with 6/6, we start out with 1/6. Nothing special about the six, it could be any number. All the 1/6 means is that we're trying to win 1 unit in 6 attempts. If we lose a bet, we add the number of units lost on that bet to the dividend (1 in this case) and add 1 to the divisor. If we win a bet, we subtract the number of units won from the dividend and subtract 1 from the divisor. When the dividend is zero, you've won your unit. Reset.
Example: Let's start with 1/3 meaning that we're trying to win 1 unit in bets and we're playing double dozen bets. 1 divided by 3 is 1 or less (always round up) so we bet 1-1 on our 2 dozens. A win and we've reached our goal and can reset. But if we lose, we lose 2 units which are added to the 1 and we have 3/4. Remember we have to add a bet to the divisor. Now we have to win 3 units in 4 bets. 3 divided by 4 is still 1 or less so again we bet 1-1 on our dozens. Let's say we get a win. That means we win 1 unit which we subtract from the 3 and we also subtract 1 from the 4 giving us 2/3 for our equation. It means that now we must win 2 units in 3 bets. Another win leaves us with 1/2. A loss gives us 3/3. A win = 2/2. A loss gives us 4/3. Oops 4/3 is more than 1 but less that 2 so we must bet 2 units on each dozen. Another loss and our equation is 8/4. This is another 2 unit bet which gives us 6/3. Another 2 unit bet with a win gives us 4/2. Another 2 unit win gives us 2/1 and a final 2 unit win gives us 0/0 which means we won our 1 unit.
This can be a grinder of all grinders, but it can also reach some pretty large bets. Any time your bets get too large for your comfort, just add 1 or more to the divisor and it will bring your bet size down quite a bit. It also means you are increasing the number of bets to reach your win goal, so be prepared to play for a little longer.
I've had nothing but good luck with this bet progression method. Can it get out of hand? Of course. But if you're willing to stay with it, you can keep adding numbers to the divisor. What will cause you to lose is if you get so deep in the hole that you have too large a number of bets to win you're target that it will take days to pull out ahead, so to speak. At any point you can just take a loss and start a new attack.
Think about it and tell me what you think?
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Dec 06, 12:55 AM 2015
RG and fellow members, here's a very safe progression method for double dozens that's a slight twist on Lanky's 6 point divisor. It's like the very opposite of a martingale.
Instead of starting out with 6/6, we start out with 1/6. Nothing special about the six, it could be any number. All the 1/6 means is that we're trying to win 1 unit in 6 attempts. If we lose a bet, we add the number of units lost on that bet to the dividend (1 in this case) and add 1 to the divisor. If we win a bet, we subtract the number of units won from the dividend and subtract 1 from the divisor. When the dividend is zero, you've won your unit. Reset.
Example: Let's start with 1/3 meaning that we're trying to win 1 unit in bets and we're playing double dozen bets. 1 divided by 3 is 1 or less (always round up) so we bet 1-1 on our 2 dozens. A win and we've reached our goal and can reset. But if we lose, we lose 2 units which are added to the 1 and we have 3/4. Remember we have to add a bet to the divisor. Now we have to win 3 units in 4 bets. 3 divided by 4 is still 1 or less so again we bet 1-1 on our dozens. Let's say we get a win. That means we win 1 unit which we subtract from the 3 and we also subtract 1 from the 4 giving us 2/3 for our equation. It means that now we must win 2 units in 3 bets. Another win leaves us with 1/2. A loss gives us 3/3. A win = 2/2. A loss gives us 4/3. Oops 4/3 is more than 1 but less that 2 so we must bet 2 units on each dozen. Another loss and our equation is 8/4. This is another 2 unit bet which gives us 6/3. Another 2 unit bet with a win gives us 4/2. Another 2 unit win gives us 2/1 and a final 2 unit win gives us 0/0 which means we won our 1 unit.
This can be a grinder of all grinders, but it can also reach some pretty large bets. Any time your bets get too large for your comfort, just add 1 or more to the divisor and it will bring your bet size down quite a bit. It also means you are increasing the number of bets to reach your win goal, so be prepared to play for a little longer.
I've had nothing but good luck with this bet progression method. Can it get out of hand? Of course. But if you're willing to stay with it, you can keep adding numbers to the divisor. What will cause you to lose is if you get so deep in the hole that you have too large a number of bets to win you're target that it will take days to pull out ahead, so to speak. At any point you can just take a loss and start a new attack.
Think about it and tell me what you think?
GLC
Hey GLC,
This is exactly what this method needed. Much appreciated! :thumbsup:
In your experience, what's a good bankroll for this progression to cover the "out of hand" moments?
Thanks! :)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 05, 08:51 PM 2015
"Cause the house always wins. Play long enough, you never change the stakes. The house takes you. Unless, when that perfect hand comes along, you bet big, then you take the house."
Play long enough, millions of spins the house takes you
Go in with a spectacular bet selection. Then get out quick. And you will always win.
When the perfect hand comes along is when we sit down and bet against previous 3. Stay long enough? You will LOSE
Use the principles in this thread coupled with short sessions and you WILL COME AHEAD i promise you that. if you stay 300 spins then you are asking for the sledgehamma
RG you are wrong, hit and run will catch u same day.
I could see 2/3 losses several times in 90 spins in my chart numbers from my local casino.
I play almost every day at the casino, and like to test new methods.
Tested this one low stakes 4 times playing around 100 spins per day, and it fail.
If u want the 4k$ TV try your luck.
To me hit and run = gambler luck
Hello RG and all.
I will need to split this into two posts because it's long. The first post is my results from a casino visit which were unfortunately not very good and the second post is possibly a solution.
I will list the results including the wins and losses for the 11-33-99 progression and also for my 9 level parlay MM.
123-311 w
213-231 lw
312-123 w level2
231-222 lw
321-323 llw
123-213 w level4
213-213 lll
312-312 lll
231-211 lw
321-123 w level8
123-222 w
213-233 lw
312-113 w level2
231-211 lw
321-322 llw
123-323 w level4
213-232 lw
312-321 lw
231-212 lw
321-232 w level4
123-333 w
213-332 w level1
312-132 w
231-211 lw
321-211 w level2
123-321 w
213-113 w level1
312-312 lll
231-322 w
321-311 lw
123-122 llw
213-313 w level7
312-221 w
231-213 lw
321-212 w level2
123-132 lw
213-211 llw
312-321 lw
231-131 w level5
321-232 w
That comes to +37 for the wins and -78 for the 3 losses giving a total of -41.
Seeing a double loss was a bit of a shock, but that's what can happen. I tried to work out the odds of it and I think it's around 720/1. So I should be proud I hit it on games 6 and 7. ;D
Anyway, that's the bad news!! Some good news in the next post.
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 06, 08:48 AM 2015
Hello RG and all.
I will need to split this into two posts because it's long. The first post is my results from a casino visit which were unfortunately not very good and the second post is possibly a solution.
I will list the results including the wins and losses for the 11-33-99 progression and also for my 9 level parlay MM.
123-311 w
213-231 lw
312-123 w level2
231-222 lw
321-323 llw
123-213 w level4
213-213 lll
312-312 lll
231-211 lw
321-123 w level8
123-222 w
213-233 lw
312-113 w level2
231-211 lw
321-322 llw
123-323 w level4
213-232 lw
312-321 lw
231-212 lw
321-232 w level4
123-333 w
213-332 w level1
312-132 w
231-211 lw
321-211 w level2
123-321 w
213-113 w level1
312-312 lll
231-322 w
321-311 lw
123-122 llw
213-313 w level7
312-221 w
231-213 lw
321-212 w level2
123-132 lw
213-211 llw
312-321 lw
231-131 w level5
321-232 w
That comes to +37 for the wins and -78 for the 3 losses giving a total of -41.
Seeing a double loss was a bit of a shock, but that's what can happen. I tried to work out the odds of it and I think it's around 720/1. So I should be proud I hit it on games 6 and 7. ;D
Anyway, that's the bad news!! Some good news in the next post.
3 total losses
What i would do is
Use small units. Then increase unit size to recoup. Many many many more wins
Im a believer in stay 3 to 4 games then leave. You stayed a long time
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 06, 09:25 AM 2015
3 total losses
What i would do is
Use small units. Then increase unit size to recoup. Many many many more wins
Perhaps it would be wise to move to another table after a loss if you a using a Marti..... :thumbsup:
If not, as I warned many times on this thread, the
sledgehammer awaits........ >:D >:D >:D
So I had a good think about it all last night and suddenly remembered about a progression I had read about last year in a book which was a type of rise and fall progression. I have modified it a bit and did some testing with this bet selection and it works really well.
First of all, I will list the steps of the rise and fall progression.
1) 1
2) 1
3) 1
4) 1
5) 1
6) 2
7) 2
8}2
9) 2
10) 3
11) 3
12) 3
13) 4
14) 4
15) 5
16) 5
17) 6
18) 7
19) 8
20) 9
21) 10
22) 11
23) 12
24) 14
25) 16
26) 18
27) 20
28) 22
29) 25
30) 28
31) 30
32) 32
33) 35
34) 40
35) 45
The steps go up to 46 in the book.
I think this was originally designed for even chance but it can still be used for the double dozens.
What I do is start at 1 and bet 2x1 on the two dozens I want to play. Go up one step on any loss. Now the difference compared to the original way of playing is that I don't drop back a step. I will just stay on the same level on a win until I am back in profit. This bet selection does throw up a lot of wins and consecutively as well, so it does the job.
I will use the same results as on my previous post and show how it took 44 spins to get into profit.
You will also notice that I reset if I get back to break even.
1) step1 2x1 w +1. reset.
2) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
3) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
4) step1 2x1 w +1 (+1 total) reset.
5) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
6) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
7) step1 2x1 l -2 (-2 total)
8} step2 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
9) step3 2x1 w +1 (-3 total)
10) step3 2x1 w +1 (-2 total)
11) step3 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
12) step4 2x1 l -2 (-6 total)
13) step5 2x1 l -2 (-8 total)
14) step6 2x2 l -4 (-12 total)
15) step7 2x2 l -4 (-16 total)
16) step8 2x2 l -4 (-20 total)
17) step9 2x2 l -4 (-24 total)
18) step10 2x3 w +3 (-21 total)
19) step10 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
20) step10 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
21) step10 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
22) step11 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
23) step11 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
24) step11 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
25) step12 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
26) step12 2x3 l -6 (-24 total)
27) step13 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
28) step14 2x4 w +4 (-28 total)
29) step14 2x4 w +4 (-24 total)
30) step14 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
31) step15 2x5 w +5 (-27 total)
32) step15 2x5 l -10 (-37 total)
33) step16 2x5 w +5 (-32 total)
34) step16 2x5 l -10 (-42 total)
35) step17 2x6 w +6 (-36 total)
36) step17 2x6 w +6 (-30 total)
37) step17 2x6 w +6 (-24 total)
38) step17 2x6 w +6 (-18 total)
39) step17 2x6 w +6 (-12 total)
40) step17 2x6 l -12 (-24 total)
41) step18 2x7 w +7 (-17 total)
42) step18 2x7 w +7 (-10 total)
43) step18 2x7 w +7 (-3 total)
44) step18 2x7 w +7 (+4 total) reset.
So it managed to navigate through a tricky spell and come out with a profit. The drawdown was never huge either. The worst was -42. This one could be worth having a good look at along with the bet selection.
cheers
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 06, 09:35 AM 2015
Perhaps it would be wise to move to another table after a loss if you a using a Marti..... :thumbsup:
If not, as I warned many times on this thread, the sledgehammer awaits........ >:D >:D >:D
Exactly. With 720 to 1 odds chances very slim to have back to back in 3 to 4 mini games
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 06, 09:36 AM 2015
So I had a good think about it all last night and suddenly remembered about a progression I had read about last year in a book which was a type of rise and fall progression. I have modified it a bit and did some testing with this bet selection and it works really well.
First of all, I will list the steps of the rise and fall progression.
1) 1
2) 1
3) 1
4) 1
5) 1
6) 2
7) 2
8}2
9) 2
10) 3
11) 3
12) 3
13) 4
14) 4
15) 5
16) 5
17) 6
18) 7
19) 8
20) 9
21) 10
22) 11
23) 12
24) 14
25) 16
26) 18
27) 20
28) 22
29) 25
30) 28
31) 30
32) 32
33) 35
34) 40
35) 45
The steps go up to 46 in the book.
I think this was originally designed for even chance but it can still be used for the double dozens.
What I do is start at 1 and bet 2x1 on the two dozens I want to play. Go up one step on any loss. Now the difference compared to the original way of playing is that I don't drop back a step. I will just stay on the same level on a win until I am back in profit. This bet selection does throw up a lot of wins and consecutively as well, so it does the job.
I will use the same results as on my previous post and show how it took 44 spins to get into profit.
You will also notice that I reset if I get back to break even.
1) step1 2x1 w +1. reset.
2) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
3) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
4) step1 2x1 w +1 (+1 total) reset.
5) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
6) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
7) step1 2x1 l -2 (-2 total)
8} step2 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
9) step3 2x1 w +1 (-3 total)
10) step3 2x1 w +1 (-2 total)
11) step3 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
12) step4 2x1 l -2 (-6 total)
13) step5 2x1 l -2 (-8 total)
14) step6 2x2 l -4 (-12 total)
15) step7 2x2 l -4 (-16 total)
16) step8 2x2 l -4 (-20 total)
17) step9 2x2 l -4 (-24 total)
18) step10 2x3 w +3 (-21 total)
19) step10 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
20) step10 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
21) step10 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
22) step11 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
23) step11 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
24) step11 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
25) step12 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
26) step12 2x3 l -6 (-24 total)
27) step13 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
28) step14 2x4 w +4 (-28 total)
29) step14 2x4 w +4 (-24 total)
30) step14 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
31) step15 2x5 w +5 (-27 total)
32) step15 2x5 l -10 (-37 total)
33) step16 2x5 w +5 (-32 total)
34) step16 2x5 l -10 (-42 total)
35) step17 2x6 w +6 (-36 total)
36) step17 2x6 w +6 (-30 total)
37) step17 2x6 w +6 (-24 total)
38) step17 2x6 w +6 (-18 total)
39) step17 2x6 w +6 (-12 total)
40) step17 2x6 l -12 (-24 total)
41) step18 2x7 w +7 (-17 total)
42) step18 2x7 w +7 (-10 total)
43) step18 2x7 w +7 (-3 total)
44) step18 2x7 w +7 (+4 total) reset.
So it managed to navigate through a tricky spell and come out with a profit. The drawdown was never huge either. The worst was -42. This one could be worth having a good look at along with the bet selection.
cheers
Thats what im talking about
Id never stick around for that many spins but good job for finding a way. Thats what its all about. Saying it wont work is weak. You did the opposite!
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 06, 08:48 AM 2015
Hello RG and all.
I will need to split this into two posts because it's long. The first post is my results from a casino visit which were unfortunately not very good and the second post is possibly a solution.
I will list the results including the wins and losses for the 11-33-99 progression and also for my 9 level parlay MM.
123-311 w
213-231 lw
312-123 w level2
231-222 lw
321-323 llw
123-213 w level4
213-213 lll
312-312 lll
231-211 lw
321-123 w level8
123-222 w
213-233 lw
312-113 w level2
231-211 lw
321-322 llw
123-323 w level4
213-232 lw
312-321 lw
231-212 lw
321-232 w level4
123-333 w
213-332 w level1
312-132 w
231-211 lw
321-211 w level2
123-321 w
213-113 w level1
312-312 lll
231-322 w
321-311 lw
123-122 llw
213-313 w level7
312-221 w
231-213 lw
321-212 w level2
123-132 lw
213-211 llw
312-321 lw
231-131 w level5
321-232 w
That comes to +37 for the wins and -78 for the 3 losses giving a total of -41.
Seeing a double loss was a bit of a shock, but that's what can happen. I tried to work out the odds of it and I think it's around 720/1. So I should be proud I hit it on games 6 and 7. ;D
Anyway, that's the bad news!! Some good news in the next post.
I wonder about these results, just seems funny 1,2,3 shows followed by 2,2,2 twice, then 1,3,2 shows followed by 2,1,1 twice.
Probably just Notto making something out of nothing
40 mini games. 3 lost. MM reigns
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 06, 09:36 AM 2015
So I had a good think about it all last night and suddenly remembered about a progression I had read about last year in a book which was a type of rise and fall progression. I have modified it a bit and did some testing with this bet selection and it works really well.
First of all, I will list the steps of the rise and fall progression.
1) 1
2) 1
3) 1
4) 1
5) 1
6) 2
7) 2
8}2
9) 2
10) 3
11) 3
12) 3
13) 4
14) 4
15) 5
16) 5
17) 6
18) 7
19) 8
20) 9
21) 10
22) 11
23) 12
24) 14
25) 16
26) 18
27) 20
28) 22
29) 25
30) 28
31) 30
32) 32
33) 35
34) 40
35) 45
The steps go up to 46 in the book.
I think this was originally designed for even chance but it can still be used for the double dozens.
What I do is start at 1 and bet 2x1 on the two dozens I want to play. Go up one step on any loss. Now the difference compared to the original way of playing is that I don't drop back a step. I will just stay on the same level on a win until I am back in profit. This bet selection does throw up a lot of wins and consecutively as well, so it does the job.
I will use the same results as on my previous post and show how it took 44 spins to get into profit.
You will also notice that I reset if I get back to break even.
1) step1 2x1 w +1. reset.
2) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
3) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
4) step1 2x1 w +1 (+1 total) reset.
5) step1 2x1 l -2 (-1 total)
6) step2 2x1 w +1 (level total) reset.
7) step1 2x1 l -2 (-2 total)
8} step2 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
9) step3 2x1 w +1 (-3 total)
10) step3 2x1 w +1 (-2 total)
11) step3 2x1 l -2 (-4 total)
12) step4 2x1 l -2 (-6 total)
13) step5 2x1 l -2 (-8 total)
14) step6 2x2 l -4 (-12 total)
15) step7 2x2 l -4 (-16 total)
16) step8 2x2 l -4 (-20 total)
17) step9 2x2 l -4 (-24 total)
18) step10 2x3 w +3 (-21 total)
19) step10 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
20) step10 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
21) step10 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
22) step11 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
23) step11 2x3 w +3 (-15 total)
24) step11 2x3 l -6 (-21 total)
25) step12 2x3 w +3 (-18 total)
26) step12 2x3 l -6 (-24 total)
27) step13 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
28) step14 2x4 w +4 (-28 total)
29) step14 2x4 w +4 (-24 total)
30) step14 2x4 l -8 (-32 total)
31) step15 2x5 w +5 (-27 total)
32) step15 2x5 l -10 (-37 total)
33) step16 2x5 w +5 (-32 total)
34) step16 2x5 l -10 (-42 total)
35) step17 2x6 w +6 (-36 total)
36) step17 2x6 w +6 (-30 total)
37) step17 2x6 w +6 (-24 total)
38) step17 2x6 w +6 (-18 total)
39) step17 2x6 w +6 (-12 total)
40) step17 2x6 l -12 (-24 total)
41) step18 2x7 w +7 (-17 total)
42) step18 2x7 w +7 (-10 total)
43) step18 2x7 w +7 (-3 total)
44) step18 2x7 w +7 (+4 total) reset.
So it managed to navigate through a tricky spell and come out with a profit. The drawdown was never huge either. The worst was -42. This one could be worth having a good look at along with the bet selection.
cheers
This is certainly more conservative than the standard Marti, but I would suggest checking out GLC's modified divisor progression as a better alternative.
The question with this progression is : "what sequence will tank it!".
-41 units is not horrible considering the number of losses that you had in such a short period! :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 06, 09:41 AM 2015
I wonder about these results, just seems funny 1,2,3 shows followed by 2,2,2 twice, then 1,3,2 shows followed by 2,1,1 twice.
Probably just Notto making something out of nothing
What should really blow your mind is how 2 separate members have found a back-to-back loss in such a short period of time! :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 06, 09:45 AM 2015
This is certainly more conservative than the standard Marti, but I would suggest checking out GLC's modified divisor progression as a better alternative.
The question with this progression is : "what sequence will tank it!".
-41 units is not horrible considering the number of losses that you had in such a short period! :thumbsup:
The solution is play 2 to 4 mini games and move on
But if i've done it right the results on right are the actual spins. so i copied them in single order for 120 spins. As you can see i stopped at 60 spins.
I would flat bet every spin against 1,3,2 and be out after 3 spins, Like it RG.
If play the 60 spins, 60*2= 120. 45 wins 45*3=135 +15
Lets see what 2nd group of 60 produce
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 06, 09:54 AM 2015
But if i've done it right the results on right are the actual spins. so i copied them in single order for 120 spins. As you can see i stopped at 60 spins.
I would flat bet every spin against 1,3,2 and be out after 3 spins, Like it RG.
If play the 60 spins, 60*2= 120. 45 wins 45*3=135 +15
Lets see what 2nd group of 60 produce
You love that 132. As you should. Its good
Id do 139 against 132 and then move on after 2 to 4 mini games
Do we have any hard set rules yet.
Me, the b+m 40 mile away and as for London 50, so it makes more sense, Tacwell, to visit the FOBT, where i could visit over 40 machines,where we only want to win a unit.
Tacwell, if you know anything about staking on fobt's, you know to start with £1, 1-1,as the last bet would be 27-27,so never start on 5-5.
its like the bet on singles .20p .40p.60.80.1.00, now we should be able to go 1.20,but no the sneaky f*****s take you straight to £2.00
The 2nd set of 60 spins we would win the unit and be on to the next fobt,in a new shop.Some shops are even next door to each other. Saturdays little test, eh Hugh,won on all 8 machines,and weekends the shops are busier
Even if you played the whole 60 spins flat bet,you win 41 spins.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 06, 10:27 AM 2015
The 2nd set of 60 spins we would win the unit and be on to the next fobt,in a new shop.Some shops are even next door to each other. Saturdays little test, eh Hugh,won on all 8 machines,and weekends the shops are busier
Even if you played the whole 60 spins flat bet,you win 41 spins.
You got the right idea
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 06, 09:35 AM 2015
Perhaps it would be wise to move to another table after a loss if you a using a Marti..... :thumbsup:
If not, as I warned many times on this thread, the sledgehammer awaits........ >:D >:D >:D
Law
Everyone has a view, and mine is no better than anyone elses....however
A table produces random numbers, and to move to another table isnt to reset your personal numbers from the last table, its just to play the next random number.
Its not Bananas, where they vary slightly in ripeness or size, even though they are all Bananas
Its a random number. It has no distinguishing features from any other.
What do you think?
Quote from: Turner on Dec 06, 10:39 AM 2015
Law
Everyone has a view, and mine is no better than anyone elses....however
A table produces random numbers, and to move to another table isnt to reset your personal numbers from the last table, its just to play the next random number.
Its not Bananas, where they vary slightly in ripeness or size, even though they are all Bananas
Its a random number. It has no distinguishing features from any other.
What do you think?
I agree 100%, but I was giving my opinion on a hit-and-run strategy, which I don't personally play.
I always test playing through as I want to get hit with the sledgehammer and learn how to survive............that's my definition of a HG! :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 06, 10:44 AM 2015
I agree 100%, but I was giving my opinion on a hit-and-run strategy, which I don't personally play.
I always test playing through as I want to get hit with the sledgehammer and learn how to survive............that's my definition of a HG! :thumbsup:
Spot on
P.s. using small units thrn upping the unit after a loss is a sure way.......the back to back loss is rare
Quote from: Turner on Dec 06, 10:39 AM 2015
Law
Everyone has a view, and mine is no better than anyone elses....however
A table produces random numbers, and to move to another table isnt to reset your personal numbers from the last table, its just to play the next random number.
Its not Bananas, where they vary slightly in ripeness or size, even though they are all Bananas
Its a random number. It has no distinguishing features from any other.
What do you think?
Hold on it does have distinguishing features, its part of a dozen, its a colour, its in a column, and gives members info, Like Kattila said
So this looks like a disaster in set 2. But flat bet the 60 spins and you get 41 wins. Like allgood politicans we can make it look good.
Take the 1st 10 spins flat bet 20 units out only 12 units back ???, but keep going, next 10 spins 20 units out, look 27 units back,only 1 unit down. now next 10 spins 20 out 24 back, so plus 3, we only want 1 unit of what ever size you want,then on to next machine or live wheel, where i believe these #'s came from,Wiggy
But you win the 1 unit on spin 1, so like RG in/then off :thumbsup:
heres the sheet
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 06, 12:11 PM 2015
So this looks like a disaster in set 2. But flat bet the 60 spins and you get 41 wins. Like allgood politicans we can make it look good.
Take the 1st 10 spins flat bet 20 units out only 12 units back ???, but keep going, next 10 spins 20 units out, look 27 units back,only 1 unit down. now next 10 spins 20 out 24 back, so plus 3, we only want 1 unit of what ever size you want,then on to next machine or live wheel, where i believe these #'s came from,Wiggy
But you win the 1 unit on spin 1, so like RG in/then off :thumbsup:
Go for 2 to 4 wins and move on
Any mechanical strategy we create will fail in the long run
The key is a bet selection that is so solid we can get in and out with a quick profit. Thats why i dont test a zillion spins
RG
Those 2 60spin sheets show flat bet is ok, a long the piece of string as been mentioned,theres a place to bail out with 1 unit.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 06, 12:58 PM 2015
RG
Those 2 60spin sheets show flat bet is ok, a long the piece of string as been mentioned,theres a place to bail out with 1 unit.
Very good
I played real money once using these principles
Played progression 1 2 6
Only win on step 1 rest break even
Switch airball machines on win. I have over 10 airball machines
Rich
in daily live spin data i've never left page1 showimg the 185 captures. So i've gone to page 3 reply 31, 4 spins play 1,3,2 win 1unit, off we go
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 06, 01:04 PM 2015
Rich
in daily live spin data i've never left page1 showimg the 185 captures. So i've gone to page 3 reply 31, 4 spins play 1,3,2 win 1unit, off we go
:thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 06, 01:12 AM 2015
Hey GLC,
This is exactly what this method needed. Much appreciated! :thumbsup:
In your experience, what's a good bankroll for this progression to cover the "out of hand" moments?
Thanks! :)
TheLaw, I haven't played this system using this progression idea and I, unfortunately, don't have time since everything I do is by hand. It's a very versatile method because if you want to make it more aggressive, you can add an extra unit on each loss. This will get you back to profit with fewer wins, but larger bets. If you are having a very bad loss to win ratio, you can add more to your divisor and then when you have a good run, you can add more to your dividend.
Each person who likes this idea should test it for themselves so they determine how it performs and how much they want to risk on it. It'll take some time and in the end, you may not like and will scrap the idea. It's just an option to the martingale progression.
This bet method can be played on any bet location, e.c.s, dozens, lines, splits or multiples of these like 5 lines or 11 streets etc...
GLC
Tales from the field...
I've been following this thread for weeks now (made a couple posts in the early going as well), doing independent testing of betting against 1, 2, 3 (continuously, re-setting after a win and not sitting out the remainder of the mini-game) using the 1-3-9 progression. Been having FANTASTIC results testing it this way, so today I finally decided to take it for a spin at a real casino that's about an hour and 15 minutes up the road. I just got home from said trip.
Anyway, I get there and sit down at the Roulette Evolution table, of which there are two at this particular casino. The plan was to win 4 units, go on over to the next Roulette Evolution table, win 4 more units, and skedaddle on home. 8 units will more than cover my gas money. So I proceed to play with $10 units. I win the first 3 spins, get up 3 units and just need 1 more...and then it happens. 1, 2, 3 right in a row. I figure that was just bad timing, hey it'll happen to everybody at some point...my time just happened to be sooner than everybody else's.
So, licking my wounds, I get up and head to the other table. I literally play ONLY 3 spins...you guessed it...no wins, straight 1, 2, 3, right in a row AGAIN. Bam, I'm done.
Summary: 9 spins, 2 sledgehammers, -49 units (-$500) in about 15 minutes. It took me more time to walk from table 1 to table 2 than it did to lose my two sequences.
Once in a blue moon flash of bad luck? Perhaps....but looks like it's back to the drawing board for me. Guess I'll check out this bet selection playing with a Labby or look in to GLC's recently posted progression.
I do believe that the right answer (perhaps naively, perhaps not) lies with playing the dozens, and I do believe in this bet selection, but it CAN happen. It's just whether it WILL happen to you while you happen to be sitting at the table. In my case, I seem to have a knack of testing progressions, figuring out something that works in testing, and having it immediately blow up on the first run at the casino.
I know people gamble for a living, and I do believe the HG is out there. Perhaps we're close. I look forward to seeing what finally comes of this thread...
Herm
if i had been you i would have back tracked the marquee with the combo of choice,just out of curiosity to see how the combo was doing. You might have seen it not doing anygood and gone to the other table
take a look at 3 reversal...........i should have posted it here
Quote from: hermbob on Dec 06, 04:38 PM 2015
Tales from the field...
I've been following this thread for weeks now (made a couple posts in the early going as well), doing independent testing of betting against 1, 2, 3 (continuously, re-setting after a win and not sitting out the remainder of the mini-game) using the 1-3-9 progression. Been having FANTASTIC results testing it this way, so today I finally decided to take it for a spin at a real casino that's about an hour and 15 minutes up the road. I just got home from said trip.
Anyway, I get there and sit down at the Roulette Evolution table, of which there are two at this particular casino. The plan was to win 4 units, go on over to the next Roulette Evolution table, win 4 more units, and skedaddle on home. 8 units will more than cover my gas money. So I proceed to play with $10 units. I win the first 3 spins, get up 3 units and just need 1 more...and then it happens. 1, 2, 3 right in a row. I figure that was just bad timing, hey it'll happen to everybody at some point...my time just happened to be sooner than everybody else's.
So, licking my wounds, I get up and head to the other table. I literally play ONLY 3 spins...you guessed it...no wins, straight 1, 2, 3, right in a row AGAIN. Bam, I'm done.
Summary: 9 spins, 2 sledgehammers, -49 units (-$500) in about 15 minutes. It took me more time to walk from table 1 to table 2 than it did to lose my two sequences.
Once in a blue moon flash of bad luck? Perhaps....but looks like it's back to the drawing board for me. Guess I'll check out this bet selection playing with a Labby or look in to GLC's recently posted progression.
I do believe that the right answer (perhaps naively, perhaps not) lies with playing the dozens, and I do believe in this bet selection, but it CAN happen. It's just whether it WILL happen to you while you happen to be sitting at the table. In my case, I seem to have a knack of testing progressions, figuring out something that works in testing, and having it immediately blow up on the first run at the casino.
I know people gamble for a living, and I do believe the HG is out there. Perhaps we're close. I look forward to seeing what finally comes of this thread...
Hey hermbob. Try 132 for euro. Me and nottophammer had success with that on euro wheels
Good luck and thanks for the results
Lots of good ideas in this thread. But at the end of the day its about luck. Will it hit the second u start to play?
Im continuously testing against previous 3. But i see you said you dont play the mini game but you reset and start over on a win. If you decide to play against previous 3 sequence dont do that, only play it in mini games. Most wins are in column 1. So play that the mini game way if you choose to play it. What separates this from past failures is not playing on a rolling basis. Sets of 3 only
Did great today. I've had best success by first betting against the last three dozen and then betting against the last three columns next mini game.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 06, 09:52 PM 2015
Did great today. I've had best success by first betting against the last three dozen and then betting against the last three columns next mini game.
I'm seeing nearly 3/4 first round wins...... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 06, 09:52 PM 2015
Did great today. I've had best success by first betting against the last three dozen and then betting against the last three columns next mini game.
Celescliff. Awesome results. Our results are very similar. As law points out many 1st and 2nd wins. Rarely 3rd. Good news there
I have not tested columns really. But i should
You are the 2nd person i know of playing 123 then ABC then 123 then ABC.
Closest we are going to get to a HG on a mechanical system
Who is "we", just curious.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 06, 11:20 PM 2015
Who is "we", just curious.
Ken
"We" is whoever uses it.....
i still think grassroots played with pinwheel numbers is a winner...since testing, no loser
with 3,2,1. of course...3,2,1 shows...but then i bet against and it recovers every time.
i need an excel tracker to test more spins...i test it by hand.
normy...can you make this excel fully automated? ;)
will do more tests of course.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 07, 08:58 AM 2015
i still think grassroots played with pinwheel numbers is a winner...since testing, no loser
with 3,2,1. of course...3,2,1 shows...but then i bet against and it recovers every time.
i need an excel tracker to test more spins...i test it by hand.
normy...can you make this excel fully automated? ;)
will do more tests of course.
Awesome results. I have yet to test pinwheel....i feel like its harder to throw down 24 chips?
I would hand test as you are. Its more real world compatible
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 07, 08:58 AM 2015
i still think grassroots played with pinwheel numbers is a winner...since testing, no loser
with 3,2,1. of course...3,2,1 shows...but then i bet against and it recovers every time.
i need an excel tracker to test more spins...i test it by hand.
normy...can you make this excel fully automated? ;)
will do more tests of course.
How many spins total have you tested this?
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 07, 09:35 AM 2015
How many spins total have you tested this?
If im not mistaken we are throwin down 24 chips?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 07, 10:14 AM 2015
If im not mistaken we are throwin down 24 chips?
I meant total spins (100-1000)....
The law
I think we should test these principles (123, 123 X5, and aginst previous 3) on columns as well?
Celescliff has much success against previous 3 on columns it seems
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 07, 11:39 AM 2015
The law
I think we should test these principles (123, 123 X5, and aginst previous 3) on columns as well?
My concern would be diminishing returns.........unless we have some evidence that the added columns provide a superior bet.
So far (based on my limited testing) I think :-the simple 1-2-3 is too risky
-the simple Marti 1-3-9 is too risky
-the Moving Target 1-2-3 appears to be more stable, but still too risky with a simple Marti
-the previous 3 looks good initially, but shows major repeating patterns long-term, unless we skip certain bets (like 111-222-333)-I saw this in my previous tests yeas ago where the last 3 dozens strategy took some very hard hits
-GLC's reverse Divisor progression appears to be the safest bet by far for this type of betting
Options moving forward :+ Combo dozens + Columns (only if it shows a better hit rate)
+ Bet first round only (although statistically this should be no better than round 2 or round 3)-perhaps each round is a separate continuous game (ex. all 1st rounds = continuous game)
+ Solid MM strategy
Hello,
I have started a seperate thread entitled ''different bet selection ideas for the 11-33-99 progression''
I came up with an idea for the streets and didn't want to stray of the dozens path that is going on in this thread.
cheers
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 07, 11:58 AM 2015
My concern would be diminishing returns.........unless we have some evidence that the added columns provide a superior bet.
So far (based on my limited testing) I think :
-the simple 1-2-3 is too risky
-the simple Marti 1-3-9 is too risky
-the Moving Target 1-2-3 appears to be more stable, but still too risky with a simple Marti
-the previous 3 looks good initially, but shows major repeating patterns long-term, unless we skip certain bets (like 111-222-333)-I saw this in my previous tests yeas ago where the last 3 dozens strategy took some very hard hits
-GLC's reverse Divisor progression appears to be the safest bet by far for this type of betting
Options moving forward :
+ Combo dozens + Columns (only if it shows a better hit rate)
+ Bet first round only (although statistically this should be no better than round 2 or round 3)-perhaps each round is a separate continuous game (ex. all 1st rounds = continuous game)
+ Solid MM strategy
I agree with most of that
But i dont agree that its "too risky"
If played with good MM its one of the least risky methods ive ever seen
To add to moving forward- try columns alone no dozens. Try nottos 132 on euro
Do people test 1,3,2 on euro or just 1,2,3.
Now never really bothered looking over 00 wheel, know you see say 1 by 00 opposite end 0 2, so both 1's.
So if we look from 2 up to 8 we see the combo 1,2,3 can be placed 6 times, so opposite must be the same, 1 to 7. Can this help 1,2,3 combo.
Now the euro wheel placement is bit a different.
If you start at 31 up to 32, marked 3 you'll see 1=4,3=6,2=2 so a good section if doz2 is sleeping and croupier is stuck in this section.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 07, 12:26 PM 2015
Do people test 1,3,2 on euro or just 1,2,3.
Now never really bothered looking over 00 wheel, know you see say 1 by 00 opposite end 0 2, so both 1's.
So if we look from 2 up to 8 we see the combo 1,2,3 can be placed 6 times, so opposite must be the same, 1 to 7. Can this help 1,2,3 combo.
Now the euro wheel placement is bit a different.
If you start at 31 up to 32, marked 3 you'll see 1=4,3=6,2=2 so a good section if doz2 is sleeping and croupier is stuck in this section.
Original poster is in the US. So the bet against 123 is designed for american wheel
I found 123 hits much more frequent on euro
If u see all my charts in this thread 123 on american is like 1 in 100
Gut feeling tells me to test columns....
A bit untidy and low on ink.
you can see how close 1,2,3 are
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 06, 09:52 PM 2015
Did great today. I've had best success by first betting against the last three dozen and then betting against the last three columns next mini game.
Prime example why you test for yourself and dont listen when people say "sorry it fails long term"
Do your own thing
Love seeing your charts
Quick Update:
Just ran a few tests using GLC's suggested progression.
Although it works pretty well, it can turn into a major grind........possibly taking hours to fully recoup a major bad run. This is the one major drawback with any conservative approach. This is why I abandoned the original Divisor Method; it technically never loses..........just takes too long to get back to even.
I would say that the Divisor Method is perfect for anyone looking to play roulette as a business long-term. Tedious........but you can squeeze out a few units per hour consistently. :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 07, 01:19 PM 2015
Quick Update:
Just ran a few tests using GLC's suggested progression.
Although it works pretty well, it can turn into a major grind........possibly taking hours to fully recoup a major bad run. This is the one major drawback with any conservative approach. This is why I abandoned the original Divisor Method; it technically never loses..........just takes too long to get back to even.
I would say that the Divisor Method is perfect for anyone looking to play roulette as a business long-term. Tedious........but you can squeeze out a few units per hour consistently. :thumbsup:
Shame on me. Shame on me
As a major promoter of lankys matrix i still dont grasp the divisor.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 07, 08:58 AM 2015
i still think grassroots played with pinwheel numbers is a winner...since testing, no loser
with 3,2,1. of course...3,2,1 shows...but then i bet against and it recovers every time.
i need an excel tracker to test more spins...i test it by hand.
normy...can you make this excel fully automated? ;)
will do more tests of course.
Great Results. I am wondering on why the Pin Wheel Numbers were picked in that order. As there are not equal amounts in each dozen.
I picked out 3 sets of 12 numbers with each having 4 numbers in each dozen.
I have memorised them completely so throwing down 12 chips or 24 is a breeze now. When a number comes i know Exactly which set it is in.
Sets tend to repeat fairly often so thats my plan of attack,
But after reading all this post, i am looking at The Grass Root method and mini games using my own Sets of 12.
Interesting stuff so far.
Quote from: jbudd32 on Dec 07, 01:37 PM 2015
Great Results. I am wondering on why the Pin Wheel Numbers were picked in that order. As there are not equal amounts in each dozen.
I picked out 3 sets of 12 numbers with each having 4 numbers in each dozen.
I have memorised them completely so throwing down 12 chips or 24 is a breeze now. When a number comes i know Exactly which set it is in.
Sets tend to repeat fairly often so thats my plan of attack,
But after reading all this post, i am looking at The Grass Root method and mini games using my own Sets of 12.
Interesting stuff so far.
Indeed
The only negative to playing pinwheel way is we have to lay 24 chips in short time!
True.... Depends in which wheel or casino your playing at online. Some sites have an option where you can save bets... Upto maybe 4 or 6. Which is great.
If in casino, it shouldnt be a problem, i can get 24 chips down in 30 seconds.
Such a shame Dublinbet took the saved bet feature away. But still its no sweat.
In a Nutshell the Grass Roots idea is betting on the last two Dozen/Columns
What if there are repeaters, do you look the furthest back to find other Dozen?
On my airball machines i can get 24 down. Its tough but i can.
Sometimes the touchscreens are weird and when you press a chip down it gets put on the number next to it which is frustrating. For example you will touch the center of #3 and the chip goes on #2. Faulty screens
I also have 30 seconds.
Yeh frustrating for sure, touch screens can be a pain, do you only play Airball?
Quote from: jbudd32 on Dec 07, 02:22 PM 2015
Yeh frustrating for sure, touch screens can be a pain, do you only play Airball?
Yea my local casino is strictly touch screen airball. More touchscreens malfunction then not so i like playing dozens on them
There are some video roulette machines with a big 80 inch TV but i avoid the rng
In terms of betting against 123 i think playing 1 mini game on dozens then next mini game on columns is a great idea
123 happens back to back very rarely so its good for recouping
Very rare to see 123 dozens then immediately 123 columns? Chances are slim to none?
If using low chip values we can up the chip value on any mini game loss on the following mini game to recoup
See celescliff chart. Alternating between dozens and columns. Genius? A great way to apply grassroots
We can also play this way against previous 3
Great Results again, will have to give this a Whirl.
When you say 1-2-3, they can be in any order? Like 3-2-1 or 2-1-3 etc??
I have seen a fair amount of back to back 1-2-3 not neccesssarily in that order but have seen it a lot (european Wheel)
I Remember seeing a thread on another site, the system was called Project X by Amrik, was a massive thread, i worked out What his betting triggers were and it was actually looking for the 1-2-3 combo. His trigger was waiting for 2 dozens or columns to stop repeating,
So 15,16,31..... Or 2,2,3 in Dozens terms, then you would bet on the sequence actually becoming 2,3,1... So betting in single Dozens.
Interesting concept and great to see this thread doing the opposite.
Maybe something in it? Not sure, but i'm very interested in this thread so am Locked Down in Test Mode.
Quote from: jbudd32 on Dec 07, 03:28 PM 2015
Great Results again, will have to give this a Whirl.
When you say 1-2-3, they can be in any order? Like 3-2-1 or 2-1-3 etc??
I have seen a fair amount of back to back 1-2-3 not neccesssarily in that order but have seen it a lot (european Wheel)
I Remember seeing a thread on another site, the system was called Project X by Amrik, was a massive thread, i worked out What his betting triggers were and it was actually looking for the 1-2-3 combo. His trigger was waiting for 2 dozens or columns to stop repeating,
So 15,16,31..... Or 2,2,3 in Dozens terms, then you would bet on the sequence actually becoming 2,3,1... So betting in single Dozens.
Interesting concept and great to see this thread doing the opposite.
Maybe something in it? Not sure, but i'm very interested in this thread so am Locked Down in Test Mode.
We are litet betting against 123
spin 1 Bet dozen 2 and 3
Spin 2 bet dozen 1 and 3
Spin 3 bet dozen 1 and 2
That simple
Variations are
-bet against 132
-bet against previous 3
-alternate between dozens and columns 2 members doing that 1 not posting in this thread
Go through the whole thread and ignore the BS
Quote from: jbudd32 on Dec 07, 03:28 PM 2015
Great Results again, will have to give this a Whirl.
When you say 1-2-3, they can be in any order? Like 3-2-1 or 2-1-3 etc??
I have seen a fair amount of back to back 1-2-3 not neccesssarily in that order but have seen it a lot (european Wheel)
I Remember seeing a thread on another site, the system was called Project X by Amrik, was a massive thread, i worked out What his betting triggers were and it was actually looking for the 1-2-3 combo. His trigger was waiting for 2 dozens or columns to stop repeating,
So 15,16,31..... Or 2,2,3 in Dozens terms, then you would bet on the sequence actually becoming 2,3,1... So betting in single Dozens.
Interesting concept and great to see this thread doing the opposite.
Maybe something in it? Not sure, but i'm very interested in this thread so am Locked Down in Test Mode.
Try 1,3,2
Yep Gotcha, thats what i thought, was just checking.
Cut The BS Drop The Bassline. Ha.
Ok, alternating is a Great idea so am now testing Dozens and Columns.
Also with My Set of 12 numbers.
Decent Results
I had earlier been betting only on 3rd
Result....
So 3-2.... Now bet on 3-2.
3-2-2
2-1-1
3-1-3
Mini games like you say but only on the 3rd result. Great Results Also.
welll......well.....well.....
just did a test...american zumma starting at spin 210
Warning: european wheel may have different results....so for euro maybe 132 and ACB
this test was the same number set betting against 123 dozen formation and ABC column formation
all mini games won the 139
what astonished me was all dozen bets won on the first try
so one mini game of 3 spins bet against 123 dozens. on any win stop and wait for 3 spins to finish, then bet against ABC column formation. alternate the mini games...dozens/columns/dozens/columns etc
on the chart we had one ABC, but that ABC just so happened to hit when i was betting on a dozen mini game....so worst case scenario this series had 1 loss...BUT I did not hit it
if someone comes here and says the method will not work be VERY speculative....and test yourself...these are real numbers i can prove....
Alternating may provide stability
american wheel anomaly....more center column hits? lots of B's???????????????
time to decorate the tree
quick little gander at a european wheel marquee
no 123 on dozens...no abc on columns....what a time to be alive for a quick in and out
quicky american session.....dozen 3 decided to go bye bye
Yet another test, because I love making them. :) I've decided that I will skip the third bet. In this test I had two losses but since I only bet the first two, those two losses went me down 8 unit each which is okay. I decided to quit when I was at +40 units.
Thank you so much for this. This is a winner, folks. :thumbsup:
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 08, 12:42 AM 2015
Yet another test, because I love making them. :) I've decided that I will skip the third bet. In this test I had two losses but since I only bet the first two, those two losses went me down 8 unit each which is okay. I decided to quit when I was at +40 units.
Thank you so much for this. This is a winner, folks. :thumbsup:
Betting againt previous 3?
As you have shown 2 losses dont matter when the bet selection is superior
Good work
Next im going to test alternating between dozens and colums as we are doing now. 1 mini game against 123. 1 mini game against previous 3. Alternating between dozens and columns
Mini game 1. Against 123 dozens
Mini game 2. Against previous 3 columns
Mini game 3. Against previous 3 dozens
Mini game 4. Against ABC columns
Lets see how full proof we can make this
Yes against previous 3 dozens first mini game and against columns second. :thumbsup:
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 08, 07:37 AM 2015
Yes against previous 3 dozens first mini game and against columns second. :thumbsup:
Thanks for testing. Keep it comin lol
Happy winnings
-this is the longest ive tested a strategy with positive results
-only method ive seen where others have the same results
-going on thousands of spins
-losses easy to overcome
-variations have similar results. A very sound new way of thinking
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 08, 07:37 AM 2015
Yes against previous 3 dozens first mini game and against columns second. :thumbsup:
So let me make sure I've got this right...you're betting 1, 3 against previous 3 dozens (although you'll never be making a 3rd bet), win or lose wait for the mini-game of 3 to finish....then start over and bet 1, 3 against previous 3 columns (although you'll never be making a 3rd bet), win or lose wait for the mini-game of 3 to finish and back to dozens.
I got that right?
Quote from: hermbob on Dec 08, 11:23 AM 2015
So let me make sure I've got this right...you're betting 1, 3 against previous 3 dozens (although you'll never be making a 3rd bet), win or lose wait for the mini-game of 3 to finish....then start over and bet 1, 3 against previous 3 columns (although you'll never be making a 3rd bet), win or lose wait for the mini-game of 3 to finish and back to dozens.
I got that right?
Sorry to answer for him
But yes he is. Ive been following his charts
I play the entire 3 spins he does not. Most wins are on 1st and 2nd spins so it works for him
He strictly plays against previous 3
I do against previous 3 and against 123 sequence
Hey guys, i think this is the best system until i found this score while i was testing against previous 3
2 2 2
2 2 2
1 1 2
1 1 2
1 1 2
can't imagine if i bet with the real money :-\
Quote from: tonowen on Dec 08, 11:45 AM 2015
Hey guys, i think this is the best system until i found this score while i was testing against previous 3
2 2 2
2 2 2
1 1 2
1 1 2
1 1 2
can't imagine if i bet with the real money :-\
Ouch
Thats why i think if you play against previous 3 alternating between dozens and columns as celes is doing is a must.
How many spins did you test?
I think one of the best ways to apply grassroots is betting against 123 sequence alternating between dozens and columns each mini game
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 08, 11:48 AM 2015
Ouch
Thats why i think if you play against previous 3 alternating between dozens and columns as celes is doing is a must.
How many spins did you test?
I think one of the best ways to apply grassroots is betting against 123 sequence alternating between dozens and columns each mini game
Around 300 spins, but i saw only 2 losses.
Quote from: tonowen on Dec 08, 12:05 PM 2015
Around 300 spins, but i saw only 2 losses.
Sounds about right
Try the original bet against 123 but alternate mini games between dozens and columns. And your jaw just may drop
Edit: maybe 132 ACB for euro
american zumma test
starting at 2nd set of 100
100% win rate. i DO NOT claim all sessions will be this good...we will have some where in 25 to 30 mini games we will have 2 to 4 losses...but enough look like this to warrant a winning system
27 mini games = 81 spins.....not that id stay that long, 2 to 4 mini games im done
betting against 123 and ABC alternating each mini game between dozens and columns
ABC showed one time, at a time we werent betting on it....if we had we would have suffered 1 loss...no big deal...
please look at this chart and see how important insurance on 0 is...without it we would have lost a couple of games see 023 and 0BC on first 2 mini games. insurance on 0/00 is vital
dont tell me this isn't a winning system
rarely does it make it to the 3rd bet....... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
the thread will dwindle....i will continue to test to bump it back up every few days...i will not let it die
Tomorrow will test the same alternating style but with
Minigame 1. Against 123 dozen
Minigame 2. Against previous 3 columns
Minigame 3. Against previous 3 dozens
Minigame 4. Against ABC columns
Repeat
Looking forward to it. Decided to play a quite short session with real money this time on Betfair. Not the best session with two losses but atleast it went +7 in the end. :thumbsup:
So based on playing at an ACTUAL CASINO (40 spins per hour), what kind of a NET profit am I looking at with $15 units?......and because I like all the proper stats, we'll say, I play six hours per visit.
Ken
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 08, 10:36 PM 2015
Looking forward to it. Decided to play a quite short session with real money this time on Betfair. Not the best session with two losses but atleast it went +7 in the end. :thumbsup:
2 losses again. Not bad
Try upping the units after a mini game loss to recoup some lost units then go back to your base unit after a mini game or 2
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 08, 10:46 PM 2015
So based on playing at an ACTUAL CASINO (40 spins per hour), what kind of a NET profit am I looking at with $15 units?......and because I like all the proper stats, we'll say, I play six hours per visit.
Ken
40 spins per hour
13 mini games
15 a unit
$195 an hour if in the 40 spins no loss
But you may hit a loss or 2 you will have to overcome
This isnt a mr J method. Its 24 numnebers and includes a progression. Not your style?
Look at my american zumma test charts
Depending on method you play. ?? Theres a few variations. Should do well
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 08, 10:36 PM 2015
Looking forward to it. Decided to play a quite short session with real money this time on Betfair. Not the best session with two losses but atleast it went +7 in the end. :thumbsup:
Why you lost only 8 units in each loss? Did you bet 1-3?
If there is anybody out there playing any of these "grassroots" methods for real money and succeeding (American or Euro) please shoot me a private message. Thanks! :D
Quote from: tonowen on Dec 08, 11:08 PM 2015
Why you lost only 8 units in each loss? Did you bet 1-3?
No I don't bet the third bet, so instead of 26 units in a full loss, I only loose 8.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 08, 11:19 PM 2015
No I don't bet the third bet, so instead of 26 units in a full loss, I only loose 8.
Sine you are playing only 1 3 i can suggest on a loss doing 3 9 on next mini game to recoup fast :)
Quote from: hermbob on Dec 08, 11:18 PM 2015
If there is anybody out there playing any of these "grassroots" methods for real money and succeeding (American or Euro) please shoot me a private message. Thanks! :D
Or better yet.......post
Almost 5 people playing and winning and not posting.........
:yawn:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 08:41 AM 2015
Or better yet.......post
Almost 5 people playing and winning and not posting.........
:yawn:
LOL! What is "almost 5 people" RG? 4 people winning and 1 breaking even?
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 09, 10:16 AM 2015
LOL! What is "almost 5 people" RG? 4 people winning and 1 breaking even?
4 and a half
I talk to half a person
Checked my PMs. 4 people
For whatever reason do not post publically. Used to though.....
1 person using a tweak i dont have permission to share....but hey thats how it goes
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 08, 10:46 PM 2015
So based on playing at an ACTUAL CASINO (40 spins per hour), what kind of a NET profit am I looking at with $15 units?......and because I like all the proper stats, we'll say, I play six hours per visit.
Ken
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Mr J,
$ 15 units require a bankroll of # 3,600.-- to yield a net profit of $ 720 ( No Guarantee)
Lucky if you yield $ 300.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 06:40 AM 2015
Sine you are playing only 1 3 i can suggest on a loss doing 3 9 on next mini game to recoup fast :)
I will test that. I'm also going to test another thing I got in a private message.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 09, 11:13 AM 2015
I will test that. I'm also going to test another thing I got in a private message.
Celes IF you can and if you wish try american. The extra 0 doesnt effect this system and in my opinion this is working better on american wheels
All my charts you see are mainly american #s. The wheel acts different
I know some online euro casinos offer it
Or just keep doing what you are doing you are doing well
I know someone playing similar to you bouncing between dozens and columns but against 123 not previous 3. But he bounces between many different wheels every game. Doesnt stay at same wheel
Rich
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 11:20 AM 2015
Celes IF you can and if you wish try american. The extra 0 doesnt effect this system and in my opinion this is working better on american wheels
Sir, you have my bow.
Advising to play game with higher house edge is one hell of advice!
>:(
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 09, 12:06 PM 2015
Sir, you have my bow.
Advising to play game with higher house edge is one hell of advice!
>:(
I advise that he tests it and decides for himself.
I advise that people test for themselves and draw their own conclusions.
When playing certain methods one wheel may be better then the other. With insurance on 0 it doesnt really matter
QuoteWhen playing certain methods one wheel may be better then the other. With insurance on 0 it doesnt really matter
Only one wheel, should be said.
For me it is sad that you cant grasp basic principle in this game and you are preaching here this and that. So you just cover zero(s) and you solved problem of losing by HE? I mean really? :'( :-[
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 09, 12:49 PM 2015
Only one wheel, should be said.
For me it is sad that you cant grasp basic principle in this game and you are preaching here this and that. So you just cover zero(s) and you solved problem of losing by HE? I mean really? :'( :-[
Who said that?
I never said i solved the HE
What i and others have said about grassroots method is that 0 insurance is a must
Because we will see 023 or A0C which would be a loss
So whats your problem?
On my tests 0 insurance was the difference between 2 losses and 0 losses.
Its not as easy as "basic principle" as you said. Nothing is black and white
Drazen if you want to help fine. But dont put words into my mouth
Sir, I don't have a problem here. But the ones who are playing martingale will have, be in no doubt. (Actually any progression, sooner or later) One guy here already lost 500$ :sad2: Isnt that enough?
Even without zero(s) wins and losses will get equal comparing to the odds you bet. When you add zeros it means you are getting even more losses then you will get wins to equal things.
You and some people here who are playing are totally blinded and so surprisingly dismissed nasty variance that will happen and wipe you all.
So why this benevolent advice can not be understood as my help, but as non saying and being negative?
You said you are testing it. Well I say to you, you are not testing it right. Ask someone to writtte you simulation and shows what will be in the end. No matter what tweak you could use.
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 09, 01:05 PM 2015
Sir, I don't have a problem here. But the ones who are playing martingale will have, be in no doubt. (Actually any progression, sooner or later) One guy here already lost 500$ :sad2: Isnt that enough?
Even without zero(s) wins and losses will get equal comparing to the odds you bet. When you add zeros it means you are getting even more losses then you will get wins to equal things.
You and some people here who are playing are totally blinded and so surprisingly dismissed nasty variance that will happen and wipe you all.
So why this benevolent advice can not be understood as my help, but as non saying and being negative?
You said you are testing it. Well I say to you, you are not testing it right. Ask someone to writtte you simulation and shows what will be in the end. No matter what tweak you could use.
Can you explain how i am testing incorrectly?
Im testing in 70 to 100 spin lots all yielding the same results
Please don't quote any post when it is first behind you are referring to. Only if you are maybe referring to some specific part or sentence in it. That way you are saving forum/threads space and it looks more readable. And it is pure logic. How many times I have to say this for gods sake?
You are testing it manually so it means you need enormous amount of time for proper test. You need at least few hundreds of thousands tested triggers (not only spins) to be sure.
As of course you didn't done that much by now, and you are calling this best method ever, sure earner and all else in that context. Having said all the above, that is not correct.
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 09, 01:17 PM 2015
Please don't quote any post when it is first behind you are referring to. Only if you are maybe referring to some specific part or sentence in it. That way you are saving forum/threads space and it looks more readable. And it is pure logic. How many times I have to say this for gods sake?
You are testing it manually so it means you need enormous amount of time for proper test. You need at least few hundreds of thousands tested triggers (not only spins) to be sure.
As of course you didn't done that much by now, and you are calling this best method ever, sure earner and all else in that context. Having said all the above, that is not correct.
Ok
So you believe a test needs to be in hundreds of thousands
I do not believe that
Its ok to disagree
Im approcahing 2000 mechanical hand tested spins of real numbers. Im satisfied
If (and when he did) Drazen commented in one of my posts I would listen. Of course he isn't on his own, but is one of a few people here who know what they are talking about.
Of course it makes a difference on US wheel compared to Euro. About 2·7% HE difference.
Maths isn't being negative. It's reality. I havnt tested this idea like I havnt tested putting my hand in a lions mouth using 1000 lions and a range of other Big Cats.
No need
Quote from: Turner on Dec 09, 01:21 PM 2015
If (and when he did) Drazen commented in one of my posts I would listen. Of course he isn't on his own, but is one of a few people here who know what they are talking about.
Of course it makes a difference on US wheel compared to Euro. About 2·7% HE difference.
Maths isn't being negative. It's reality. I havnt tested this like I havnt tested putting my hand in a lions mouth using 1000 lions and a range of other Big Cats.
No need
The people that are testing it are having good results
Of course people will say dont test it because math says it will fail
But i dont buy that because its working
Or we can just say we cant win and close the forum down?
If when a method is found and many people test with success then peope say we cant beat the math then whats the point of posting strategies.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 01:18 PM 2015
Its ok to disagree
Im approcahing 2000 mechanical hand tested spins of real numbers. Im satisfied
So you quoted the whole previous post again.
Yes it is perfectly fine to disagree about something while at the same time having fair and polite discussion :thumbsup:
But what is not fine is not to distance yourself from claiming some method is winning without proper and factual test. Actually even encourage and let people participate in it with real money.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 01:23 PM 2015
Or we can just say we cant win and close the forum
God no!
It's just this idea has most likely been around 100 years.
Casinos are still here last time I looked
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 09, 01:28 PM 2015
So you quoted the whole previous post again.
Yes it is perfectly fine to disagree about something while at the same time having fair and polite discussion :thumbsup:
But what is not fine is not to distance yourself from claiming some method is winning without proper and factual test. Actually even encourage and let people participate in it with real money.
I am all for a polite discussion
The only thing im encouraging people to do is test this thing and form their own conclusions which they are
Its not fair and polite to say "why cant you grasp something" thats an insult and thats why i got defensive
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 11:20 AM 2015
The wheel acts different
Sounds like I am picking at you but seriously I'm not
You can't say this without proof. I don't believe it does from proof of testing. Why do you believe it does?
Quote from: Turner on Dec 09, 01:46 PM 2015
Sounds like I am picking at you but seriously I'm not
You can't say this without proof. I don't believe it does from proof of testing. Why do you believe it does?
They have to act different. They are positioned differently. Dozens are spread out differently so different patterns will arise
I find it hard to believe that everyone testing is testing wrong because they arent testing hundreds of thousands drazen.
I think enough is enough, i saw someone winning 830â,¬ than loosing 1800â,¬ playing this way.
See the test for yourserf !!!
Just go to analyzer sheet! than press "clear" and then "simulate"
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 01:44 PM 2015
The only thing im encouraging people to do is test this thing and form their own conclusions which they are
To be fair (and I'm not picking on you or blaming you for anything...I certainly made my own decisions and I got my ass kicked because of it)...you're doing much more than this.
You have called this a holy grail. Several times. You started a different thread about a different bet selection and called it a holy grail too. You've called several variations of "grassroots" holy grails. You've boasted about the $4k tv's you'll be buying with your winnings because this is a holy grail.
Hell, I'm not even sure what the final decision is in terms of bet selection. Or for which wheel. I'd love to know. But the A.D.D. in this thread is getting a bit tiresome. Every time we start testing one and call it a holy grail...it's, "wait a minute, this new one is a holy grail!" If we've labeled so many things holy grails, why can't we pick one and formally define it, with bankroll/buy-in requirements, etc.
Unfortunately, I'm now living proof that this does fail. It can fail spectacularly. See my previous post a few pages back. Perhaps I made some mistakes. Or perhaps it just happened to fail early for me, and if I were to play long enough I'd recoup everything. Perhaps it wouldn't. But the bottom line is that calling something (actually, SO MANY THINGS) a holy grail so many times when plain logic says it can't be is foolish and leads people to get excited about something they shouldn't be getting excited about...at least until it's finally fleshed out. I should have known better.
Bottom line is that bet selection/MM is somewhat in line with a martingale it seems. Martingales work great....until they don't. It's a good thing that the marty is capped though....but variance will eventually come in to play and there will be a losing stretch...or stretches, that eats in to your bankroll or puts you well in to the red. It's just whether or not you'll be LUCKY enough to be well ahead by then and can withstand such a scenario.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up on this, and we could very well be on to something here. I just can't let the comment that "all you're doing is encouraging people to test" go. I think tempering the spastic excitement a bit and honing in on what exactly we're doing, might a good thing for this thread and for all of us moving forward.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 09, 01:58 PM 2015
I think enough is enough, i saw someone winning 830â,¬ than loosing 1800â,¬ playing this way.
See the test for yourserf !!!
Just go to analyzer sheet! than press "clear" and then "simulate"
Playing which way?
rg maybe you can explain one more time the best way to play grassroots as you see it now
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 01:18 PM 2015
Im approcahing 2000 mechanical hand tested spins of real numbers. Im satisfied
That would be about what Ignatus does within first couple days of a new idea, but with charts, and without all the fanfare. Here, 100 spins, a week of hype. A few dollars down, promises to journal about more dollars down, but instead another 100 spins and a week of advice on the merits of various tweaks, tested at the rate of about 100 a week.
If you have one loss in 100 spins, then yes, you will win this game. Even every 80 spins, you win. 72 spins is break-even. Without math, there must be much more than 5000 spins to determine the expected frequency of this, if this is a phenomenon that breaks out of maths paradigms.
Someone did post 60k of spins data, from which celescliff deduced that if you bet against the last three to repeat, you are always betting against a much rarer event with the same money. Logically, that is the way to go then, but you have drug your feet on it, somehow glued to the magic of 1-2-3 on American wheels, walking from one air-ball machine to the next after a few spins or a couple of wins.
It has reached a point where i've been tempted to start a parody/satire thread in the humor section titled Stressboots - 1,2,3 A doozy idea.
Celescliff's tests are the only content left here, but even then, the number of spins is not near enough what it needs to be for serious play. I played for fun at a local B&M last night and dropped 8 units ($8 dollars) in 13 mini-games (about 40 spins), with two 8 unit losses, avoiding one 26 unit loss. Indicative, but not conclusive.
Maybe you could spend less time on youtube inviting wholesale gamber/entertainers to this forum, and more on working up an Excel sheet based on 5000 spins from any trusted source you choose. Whenever in doubt, just ask, what would Ignatus do in this situation?
Still
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 01:48 PM 2015
They have to act different. They are positioned differently. Dozens are spread out differently so different patterns will arise
"they have to act different" isnt proof my friend.
Test 1000000 spins euro and US
See how many times dozens hit. It will be roughly same give or take 50 or so.
Same for both wheels. Only difference is they pay you less on US wheel 2.7% less. Thats it.
You cant justify something by saying "they have to act differently"
You really cant.
Few misconceptions about what im doing
1. Im trying to help
2. Im not saying this is the GRAIL. Im saying this is grailish based on what im SEEING
3. Relax on me. Ive spent many hours testing this.
4. I only say its grailish because ive hand tested up to 2000 spins from zumma and its been a great success. You guys see my charts in this thread? I keep seeing that. Ive never tested a method this long with this much suceess. Why wouldnt i promote it? You have seen my charts! You dont test thousands of spins successfully then put it on the back burner and say its just another method.
5. Others have the same results
Out of all the methods ive tested on this forum this method has the largest win streak out of any method ive seen here. Show me a better one? Im all ears/eyes
Its all about how its played. As a straight marty it can fail. Has to be played smart
Most of you saying it can fail and will fail probably havent tested the variations for yourselves? Just speculating?
Ill leave it here
Quote from: Still on Dec 09, 02:16 PM 2015
That would be about what Ignatus does within first couple days of a new idea, but with charts, and without all the fanfare. Here, 100 spins, a week of hype. A few dollars down, promises to journal about more dollars down, but instead another 100 spins and a week of advice on the merits of various tweaks, tested at the rate of about 100 a week.
If you have one loss in 100 spins, then yes, you will win this game. Even every 80 spins, you win. 72 spins is break-even. Without math, there must be much more than 5000 spins to determine the expected frequency of this, if this is a phenomenon that breaks out of maths paradigms.
Someone did post 60k of spins data, from which celescliff deduced that if you bet against the last three to repeat, you are always betting against a much rarer event with the same money. Logically, that is the way to go then, but you have drug your feet on it, somehow glued to the magic of 1-2-3 on American wheels, walking from one air-ball machine to the next after a few spins or a couple of wins.
It has reached a point where i've been tempted to start a parody/satire thread in the humor section titled Stressboots - 1,2,3 A doozy idea.
Celescliff's tests are the only content left here, but even then, the number of spins is not near enough what it needs to be for serious play. I played for fun at a local B&M last night and dropped 8 units ($8 dollars) in 13 mini-games (about 40 spins), with two 8 unit losses, avoiding one 26 unit loss. Indicative, but not conclusive.
Maybe you could spend less time on youtube inviting wholesale gamber/entertainers to this forum, and more on working up an Excel sheet based on 5000 spins from any trusted source you choose. Whenever in doubt, just ask, what would Ignatus do in this situation?
Still
I didnt drag my feet on it
I did many tests against previous 3....and i like it.......
Good on him for winning with it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 02:29 PM 2015
Few misconceptions about what im doing
1. Im trying to helpappreciate that, so let's hone in what exactly "grassroots" will be moving forward
2. Im not saying this is the GRAIL. Im saying this is grailish based on what im SEEING yea, you are; you have said that it is, several times..."folks this is a HG"
3. Relax on me. Ive spent many hours testing this. testing what? which variation? which bet selection is better than the other? is 1, 3 better than 1, 3, 9?
4. I only say its grailish because ive hand tested up to 2000 spins from zumma and its been a great success. You guys see my charts in this thread? I keep seeing that. Ive never tested a method this long with this much suceess. Why wouldnt i promote it? You have seen my charts! You dont test thousands of spins successfully then put it on the back burner and say its just another method. again, which bet selection are we choosing and running from with all these charts?
5. Others have the same results yea, and there's about 50 variations of bet selection and MM; how is anything conclusive when this is the case?
Out of all the methods ive tested on this forum this method has the largest win streak out of any method ive seen here. Show me a better one? Im all ears/eyes again, this is great, but logic says that this WILL work...until it doesn't. i'm sure you're experienced enough to have this logic in mind based on past results
Its all about how its played. As a straight marty it can fail. Has to be played smart not even sure what this means exactly
Most of you saying it can fail and will fail probably havent tested the variations for yourselves? Just speculating? unfortunately, i have; and i lost. a lot
Ill leave it here can't wait to see where this thread goes from here
"like I havnt tested putting my hand in a lions mouth using 1000 lions and a range of other Big Cats.
No need" >>> OMG I almost fell off my chair.
Ken
Playing against previous 3 dozens u have the bets odds.
The expected lost always be 1 in 44 spins, and this dont include zero.
How could u possible win in long term !?
@RG >> You have to learn the lesson I did years ago. Post your method (idea) and thats that, let it be. No titles of HG etc.
Post it...done...move on.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 09, 03:10 PM 2015
@RG >> You have to learn the lesson I did years ago. Post your method (idea) and thats that, let it be. No titles of HG etc.
Post it...done...move on.
Ken
Yes. I see.
I dont understand why member still personally attacked me and said why dont i test on excell instead of inviting youtube entertainers. Those youtube roulette vids are funny. What we cant have some fun either? Shit
(lol) My opinion (most won't like it), f**k public testing, let the people interested in the method test it for themselves. That'll be the day I test something for someone else. Post your idea and go grab a beer, your "job" is done.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 03:11 PM 2015
Yes. I see.
I dont understand why member still personally attacked me and said why dont i test on excell instead of inviting youtube entertainers. Those youtube roulette vids are funny. What we cant have some fun either? Shit
RG, for me as a long term member, not as a MOD, I think you are OK. Just...kinda...dont turn up at the party dressed as Big Bird when it isnt fancy dress and expect people to say nothing.
Take Kens advice. Its worth it. No big HG hullabaloo .Just post calmly.
Take stills advice, back claims up with compelling evidence (like saying American wheel acts differently)
I dont know if that helps (it was meant too)
Geez finally! Now that you've escaped the whirlwind and landed face first on terra firma, stand up, check your wallet, dust yourself off and continue the quest. And watch out for the warning signs next time.
Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 09, 03:36 PM 2015
Geez finally! Now that you've escaped the whirlwind and landed face first on terra firma, stand up, check your wallet, dust yourself off and continue the quest. And watch out for the warning signs next time.
Continue the quest?
Im not leaving this method. No way. This is it for me. You act as if ive lost and need to brush myself off. Lol. Im doing fine with this. My wallet has grown with this new way of thinking.
Haha
You've seen mine and others test charts. Why on earth would i have to stand up and brush myself off
Ive posted enough tests that show we have something big here. Up to the forum members what theyll do with the information
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 04:03 PM 2015
Continue the quest?
Im not leaving this method. No way. This is it for me. You act as if ive lost and need to brush myself off. Lol. Im doing fine with this. My wallet has grown with this new way of thinking.
Haha
Ok then, dive back in, but might I suggest opening a new thread, with the intention of testing and looking for improvements, and not making definitive conclusions based on inconclusive short term testing? Or post your rules regarding testing in the first post, i.e. no long term testing or only 25 spins or something?
Complete post edit:
No point in me going back and forth actually
The method works for me. I promoted it and all its tweaks. Its a winner
Those who will utilize it will utilize it. Most staying silent behind the wings.
Those who say it fails will continue to do so as if my charts mean nothing. The people saying this most likely havent tested it
Wasted time for me.
Going forward ill post my results
For new readers
-short sessions
-small chip size
-have bankroll for one recovery mini game after a loss
-different variations - bet against 123 dozens or ABC columms or play in conjunction alternating each mini game - bet against previous 3 alternating betweens dozens and columns
-test for yourself to draw your own conclusions
-with me being as truthful as possible ive tested by hand about 2000 spins and nothing but success god as my witness
-show me a better method? Say it fails then show me a method that works better. I bet you cannot
Celescliff. You are one of the few posting charts if you could share future tests id be grateful and curious
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 04:03 PM 2015
Ive posted enough tests that show we have something big here.
"We" dont have something big here. You believe there's something big here.
Theres a massive difference, I am afraid.
Quote from: Turner on Dec 09, 05:19 PM 2015
"We" dont have something big here. You believe there's something big here.
Theres a massive difference, I am afraid.
How many times have you tested against 123? Against 123 and abc alternating? Against previous 3? Number of times please. Post your tests and number sets.
RG, do you think if I tested this through 1 million spins that it would result in a profit at the end?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 05:22 PM 2015
How many times have you tested against 123? Against 123 and abc alternating? Against previous 3? Number of times please. Post your tests and number sets.
Now you do sound like Ignatus.
I dont need to test it. Its exactly the same as many, many "bet against the pattern" Ideas.
I have years of experience and that experience tells me its no different.
If you knew anything about betting double dozens, you would know that they are an accident waiting to happen.
Quote from: Turner on Dec 09, 05:29 PM 2015
Now you do sound like Ignatus.
I dont need to test it. Its exactly the same as many, many "bet against the pattern" Ideas.
I have years of experience and that experience tells me its no different.
If you knew anything about betting double dozens, you would know that they are an accident waiting to happen.
No.
here is what I KNOW.
I know in 66,000 spins all pattern show back to back on average 30 times, 1 in 2000 per pattern...which somehow works out to 1 in 44
lines up to my testing.....as i see it once in my 75 spin sets
so what i do know is that in the realm of roulette which is impossible to beat that helps the player a lot, and if played smart profit can be made
Quote from: Turner on Dec 09, 05:29 PM 2015
Now you do sound like Ignatus.
I dont need to test it. Its exactly the same as many, many "bet against the pattern" Ideas.
I have years of experience and that experience tells me its no different.
If you knew anything about betting double dozens, you would know that they are an accident waiting to happen.
Also, the burdon of proof is on you, not those who dont believe it. Go look up "Russells Teapot"
Quote from: Turner on Dec 09, 05:34 PM 2015
Also, the burdon of proof is on you, not those who dont believe it. Go look up "Russells Teapot"
i have a sense of having to prove....antyone on the internet can say something doesnt work
but dont insult me when i spent hours making these charts (see attachment)
i have about 20 of these! very few losses...so how do "WE" not have anything?
look at the chart. all mini games won. how do we not have a nice method?
RG....Dont post it again. I keep deleting it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 05:35 PM 2015
i have a sense of having to prove....antyone on the internet can say something doesnt work
but dont insult me when i spent hours making these charts (see attachment)
i have about 20 of these! very few losses...so how do "WE" not have anything?
look at the chart. all mini games won. how do we not have a nice method?
Who is insulting you? Steer clear of DD betting, thats all I am saying. Its a killer.
nothing to see here...
im being told it cant work by a guy who says not to quote because if you don't quote the threads easier to read :ooh:
but imagine a world where my post of truth gets deleted while falkor can (for the 2nd year in a row) state he has a grail that makes millions but leaves breadcrumbs and he isnt deleted
Quote from: keepontryin on Dec 09, 02:14 PM 2015
rg maybe you can explain one more time the best way to play grassroots as you see it now
the BEST way to apply it?
i dont know because i am seeing the same across the board
if i had to choose I would say against previous 3. in mini games. alternating between dozens and columns JUST as celescliff is doing
see marquee....123 bets suited for hit and run....very rarely will you arrive and play 2 mini games just as 123 hits....another marquee of no 123...as most are
Ok i did some coding + testing. Sorry no fancy graphs just the results.
I only did 123 on euro wheel. The other patterns like 132 213 231 312 and 321 show the same results.
For 66k spins:
123: 2213 times
1231: 682 times
12312: 221 times
123132: 66 times
So my advice:
1. Only bet one time after a pattern.
2. Wait for a pattern to end. 123123 is not a new bet! 123 is still repeating and back to back to back does happen!
3. You can use any 12 numbers you like for a pattern. Pinwheel, dozens or columns. All similar results in my tests.
4. All the pattern show similar results.
I don't know what the W/L ratio is on the first bet so i can't recommand any good progression. But as you can see i will win flat bet. It's not much but if you track every pattern of the dozens and columns. you have 12 posible betting options.
Good luck!
Forgot one more thing. Cover the zero as a win! I will pay off.
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 09, 06:16 PM 2015
Ok i did some coding + testing. Sorry no fancy graphs just the results.
I only did 123 on euro wheel. The other patterns like 132 213 231 312 and 321 show the same results.
For 66k spins:
123: 2213 times
1231: 682 times
12312: 221 times
123132: 66 times
So my advice:
1. Only bet one time after a pattern.
2. Wait for a pattern to end. 123123 is not a new bet! 123 is still repeating and back to back to back does happen!
3. You can use any 12 numbers you like for a pattern. Pinwheel, dozens or columns. All similar results in my tests.
4. All the pattern show similar results.
I don't know what the W/L ratio is on the first bet so i can't recommand any good progression. But as you can see i will win flat bet. It's not much but if you track every pattern of the dozens and columns. you have 12 posible betting options.
Good luck!
2200 times in 66,000 spins
important note: not all of those 2200 123's would make you lose
some will be
231
233
see that? 123 showed but the 1 started in 1st mini game and the 23 happened in the 2nd mini game
so the 123 pattern will not always be
123
it will often be
312
322
see that?
1 starts in mini game one following a 2 then 3 in next mini game
then 123123 66 times, 1 in a thousand....so that has a lot of merit
thanks ray, thanks for posting something of substance and not just saying it fails etc etc. thats what we need. you could have put 50,000 123 and id still say thank you
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 09, 06:19 PM 2015
Forgot one more thing. Cover the zero as a win! I will pay off.
absolutely....
we dont want to not bet 0 then see
023
You don't seem to understand how i would be betting.
I would not bet like you. Every mini game.
Why not? Because it does not work in the longrun. Yes hit n run maybe. But that's a gamble. If you look at the stats i posted what i suggest works the best.
Wait for a pattern (3 unique dozens) in a groups of 3. No rolling! Stick to 3!
When you get a pattern:
1
20
32
Pattern: 123!
BET: Dozen 2 and 3
Next number: 16
Win on units!
Wait to spins to complete the group of 3
1
33
O wait new pattern! 213
BET dozen 1 and 3
Number 16 again
Lose 2 units
Wait 2 spins
ECT....
Thanks for posting that picture up RG. I just went over to Celtic Casino and I can play on the 00 wheel from here in the UK as well. It's the first one I know about which I have access to. I can now give my splits idea a go along with them second column numbers as well. Cheers. :thumbsup:
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 09, 06:32 PM 2015
You don't seem to understand how i would be betting.
I would not bet like you. Every mini game.
Why not? Because it does not work in the longrun. Yes hit n run maybe. But that's a gamble. If you look at the stats i posted what i suggest works the best.
Wait for a pattern (3 unique dozens) in a groups of 3. No rolling! Stick to 3!
When you get a pattern:
1
20
32
Pattern: 123!
BET: Dozen 2 and 3
Next number: 16
Win on units!
Wait to spins to complete the group of 3
1
33
O wait new pattern! 213
BET dozen 1 and 3
Number 16 again
Lose 2 units
Wait 2 spins
ECT....
i like the tweak a lot
betting against previous 3 ONLY when the previous 3 are all unique?
i agree, no rolling whatsoever....all in groups of 3....rolling is what killed others
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 09, 06:34 PM 2015
Thanks for posting that picture up RG. I just went over to Celtic Casino and I can play on the 00 wheel from here in the UK as well. It's the first one I know about which I have access to. I can now give my splits idea a go along with them second column numbers as well. Cheers. :thumbsup:
1- test fun money first, they give you 1,000 fake money
2- test yourself take noone word for it
good luck
p.s. what was the 2nd column split idea?
:-[
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 06:36 PM 2015
i like the tweak a lot
betting against previous 3 ONLY when the previous 3 are all unique?
That's right! If my math is correct you will win in the long run flatbet.
66k spins: 2213 Bets placed, 682 bets lost. 682 x 2 = 1364 units lost. But 1531 units won.
With a good progression. Like lanky divisor i could work perfectly.
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 09, 06:41 PM 2015
:-[
That's right! If my math is correct you will win in the long run flatbet.
66k spins: 2213 Bets placed, 682 bets lost. 682 x 2 = 1364 units lost. But 1531 units won.
With a good progression. Like lanky divisor i could work perfectly.
just quickly went through 2 of my charts on columns and dozens....only when 3 unique came in a row bet against....worked perfectly
i think its because the chances are low for the ball to hit 3 unique dozens in a row and then do it again in the same exact pattern
good one
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 04:19 PM 2015
Complete post edit:
Celescliff. You are one of the few posting charts if you could share future tests id be grateful and curious
And I will. The test wont be as frequent as before but I post my test as often as I can. :)
I enjoy this system and I like testing different tweaks and strategies, and as long as I'm enjoying it, I'm going to play it. :thumbsup:
The second column idea is in your other thread. I noticed that 10 of the 12 second column numbers are in a 15 pocket section at the bottom of the wheel. Most of the split numbers are also directly opposite each other on the 00 wheel. There may be some mileage in all that using a combined strategy.
Quote from: wiggy on Dec 09, 06:49 PM 2015
The second column idea is in your other thread. I noticed that 10 of the 12 second column numbers are in a 15 pocket section at the bottom of the wheel. Most of the split numbers are also directly opposite each other on the 00 wheel. There may be some mileage in all that using a combined strategy.
yes.....the 2nd column on american wheel is clustered....i notice in many sets column "B" reigns king.....
i guess its the same as picking any cluster of 12 on the wheel...good luck with the tests
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 09, 06:32 PM 2015
You don't seem to understand how i would be betting.
I would not bet like you. Every mini game.
Why not? Because it does not work in the longrun. Yes hit n run maybe. But that's a gamble. If you look at the stats i posted what i suggest works the best.
Wait for a pattern (3 unique dozens) in a groups of 3. No rolling! Stick to 3!
When you get a pattern:
1
20
32
Pattern: 123!
BET: Dozen 2 and 3
Next number: 16
Win on units!
Wait to spins to complete the group of 3
1
33
O wait new pattern! 213
BET dozen 1 and 3
Number 16 again
Lose 2 units
Wait 2 spins
ECT....
for more betting opportunities play columns to
oh and ray...this can be played in 3 ways at the same time...
dozens
columns
AND THE WHEEL
divide the wheel into blocks of 12
when 3 unique, bet against that same pattern.... 8) 8)
Quote from: ego on Nov 30, 05:46 AM 2015
Thas is what i say Before - but with other Words - play agains't the past Three dozen hits - then you Always play against 27 combinations.
If one Group of Three repeat you will have six in a row.
Yes ... how many times can a Group of Three repeat? if you take one dozen it repeat 13 times in a row once during 1 million trails.
So for one group of Three to repeat four to five times would be pretty rare.
One can use GLC progression into Three levels - 1 3 9 and 3 9 27 and 9 27 87
If you play without trigger you will cover 12 in a row and if you start from six you will never lose the hole progression with Three levels as you cover 15 in a row.
The question is how they come back to back and several losing strings during your play.
I have not test this progression - but it looks good.
As we play in the short run so will we maybe never see 13 in a row during our time gambling - but if we are really unlucky we could encounter 13 in a row.
So i been thinking to code this into RX code - but not as system - i would like to code it to show statistics.
That way i can run RX and see how many times one Group repeat during 1 million trails tracking all 27 combinations.
Or do you have other suggestion?
Cheers
wise words
wise poster
word is hes a genius with math.....so there ya go.....
ray your idea might just be a bombshell
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 09, 06:32 PM 2015
You don't seem to understand how i would be betting.
I would not bet like you. Every mini game.
Why not? Because it does not work in the longrun. Yes hit n run maybe. But that's a gamble. If you look at the stats i posted what i suggest works the best.
Wait for a pattern (3 unique dozens) in a groups of 3. No rolling! Stick to 3!
When you get a pattern:
1
20
32
Pattern: 123!
BET: Dozen 2 and 3
Next number: 16
Win on units!
Wait to spins to complete the group of 3
1
33
O wait new pattern! 213
BET dozen 1 and 3
Number 16 again
Lose 2 units
Wait 2 spins
ECT....
OK, RG........This is what you've been searching for as you hold on to this idea for dear life!!!
Now we're getting down to an actual statistically advantages set of bets for long-term wins.
With a good progression, this should basically be an investment strategy................boring but effective!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 09, 07:06 PM 2015
OK, RG........This is what you've been searching for as you hold on to this idea for dear life!!!
Now we're getting down to an actual statistically advantages set of bets for long-term wins.
With a good progression, this should basically be an investment strategy................boring but effective!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
what i was looking for was substance
not "know it alls" saying it cant and wont work with no testing charts, while we are sitting here testing which is what the forum is for
ego, and ray bring up very good points.....it is a very very good tweak
the law we will make this thing work
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 07:04 PM 2015
word is hes a genius with math.....so there ya go.....
He's a genius who bet's AP & is looking for a break even method to use while he clocks wheels.....
That's on the off chance I have the right guy :-X
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 09, 07:14 PM 2015
He's a genius who bet's AP & is looking for a break even method to use while he clocks wheels.....
That's on the off chance I have the right guy :-X
O0
he did say that math wise betting against previous 3 has merit...at least thats what i got....
Well assuming he is a man of his word, let's see what those million spins show ?
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 09, 07:18 PM 2015
Well assuming he is a man of his word, let's see what those million spins show ?
O0
i think for the average player who plays an hour at the casino betting against previous 3 is terrific....
What do you mean by average player ?
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 09, 07:22 PM 2015
What do you mean by average player ?
O0
i guess someone who plays as a hobby
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 09, 06:32 PM 2015
Wait for a pattern (3 unique dozens) in a groups of 3. No rolling! Stick to 3!
When you get a pattern:
1
20
32
Pattern: 123!
BET: Dozen 2 and 3
Next number: 16
Win on units!
Wait to spins to complete the group of 3
1
33
O wait new pattern! 213
BET dozen 1 and 3
Number 16 again
Lose 2 units
Wait 2 spins
ECT....
Very interesting! I will test this with both dozens and columns.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 09, 07:28 PM 2015
Very interesting! I will test this with both dozens and columns.
This will require a conservative progression, or risk the
Bankroll Sledgehammer that we've seen with the Martingale!!! >:D
Perhaps the
divisor method is the safest after all........ :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 09, 07:35 PM 2015
This will require a conservative progression, or risk the Bankroll Sledgehammer that we've seen with the Martingale!!! >:D
Perhaps the divisor method is the safest after all........ :thumbsup:
we went from betting against previous 3 to betting against previous 3 only when the previous 3 are unique
so we have to test test test to see how often previous 3 will repeat when unique
i have nothing left in me, i will test tomorrow
Heres where we can start
We can look at our previous 3 charts. And see if any of our mini game losses were after a unique. If the answer is NO then we look damn good!
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 08, 10:36 PM 2015
Looking forward to it. Decided to play a quite short session with real money this time on Betfair. Not the best session with two losses but atleast it went +7 in the end. :thumbsup:
Celescliff,
You made a short test
It lost twice
You ended +7
Whats the good news?
The 2 mini game losses you had were both after a non unique. Therefore raymanz tweak won all mini games on your test because you would not have bet those 2 losers
All uniques won on your test. Bingo was his name-o
Go back to your charts you posted here. The reds turned green ;)
Haven't read the entire thread so if this has been thought of then please ignore
If last three dozen are same (3,3,3) bet other 2 dozens with 1,3,9 progression
If last three dozen has 1 repeater ( 2,1,2 ) bet unhit dozen with 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21 progression
If last three dozen are different (1,2,3) bet furthest dozen (1 in this case ) with 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21 progression
If a 0 shows up ignore that line and get three new dozens
Hope this helps
Buffster
Here's a session with the rules stated in my previous post. As you can see I busted out of a (1,3,9) progression within my first 10 spins. Continued playing up to 500 spins. This is the result of that session. Playing $5.00 units
(//)
Buffster
Hey buffster
Very interesting
Im not into betting 1 dozen because i saw one dozen sleep 13 times the other day, but i will look into it
Graph looks nice
I have a single dozen idea that profited well across my testing charts
It utilizes the single dozen progression you have posted and it is played in mini games of 3
Each bet we bet 1 dozen
Spin 1. Dozen 1
Spin 2. Dozen 2
Spin 3. Dozen 3
At any win wait for the 3 spins to finish unless you have won on spin 3 then immediately restart.
We are betting for dozen 1 to fall in column 1, or dozen 2 to fall into column 2, or dozen 3 to fall into column 3
I never got passed step 6 of progression
Since you win more betting on one dozen we dont have to stick around too long
RG
I think we are going off track again
This is a different system.
IMHO.
You are right. It is
Im just trying to avoid making new threads so i just put it here if its related
hey rg isnt this what i had suggested earlier wait for 2 different doz to show then bet the 3rd dozen to come out is not unique.....if it is and we lose ....the next 3 spins should be a lock.....according to the stats .....you had mentioned you were going to test but i see you never did.......to bad.....your right a bit slow but a great investment strategy
Quote from: keepontryin on Dec 10, 08:33 AM 2015
hey rg isnt this what i had suggested earlier wait for 2 different doz to show then bet the 3rd dozen to come out is not unique.....if it is and we lose ....the next 3 spins should be a lock.....according to the stats .....you had mentioned you were going to test but i see you never did.......to bad.....your right a bit slow but a great investment strategy
Yes similar idea
What ray suggested is bet against previous 3 ONLY when the previous 3 are unique
So if the previous 3 are
231 we then bet against the 231 sequence
Based on thr 66 thousand spin stats and the math of it ego explained it is the best bet here probably?
Quote from: Buffster on Dec 10, 02:06 AM 2015
Here's a session with the rules stated in my previous post. As you can see I busted out of a (1,3,9) progression within my first 10 spins. Continued playing up to 500 spins. This is the result of that session. Playing $5.00 units
(//)
Buffster
What was your highest bet on the other progressions and did you ever end one early if you were ahead in other areas? :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 07:55 PM 2015
Celescliff,
You made a short test
It lost twice
You ended +7
Whats the good news?
The 2 mini game losses you had were both after a non unique. Therefore raymanz tweak won all mini games on your test because you would not have bet those 2 losers
All uniques won on your test. Bingo was his name-o
Go back to your charts you posted here. The reds turned green ;)
Yeah I saw and it looks very promising! :) I will test this tonight when I get back home from work.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 10, 11:07 AM 2015
Yeah I saw and it looks very promising! :) I will test this tonight when I get back home from work.
It creates less betting opporunites but if playin dozs and cols at same time should have a good number of bets
Rg
I played these 2 games before the Gut game,1 in corals, 2 in paddy power.
Game 1 tracked in head also bet when Ktf showed. Used doz then col. won £12.60.
Game 2 thought i'd use the bottom bit. Anyway made £11.00.
The Gut game was in ladbrokes, was tracking on another sheet grassroots,but i had to drop it as the Trot in Gut was showing to bet the >1x's.
Rich it went well so keep at it.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 10, 01:17 PM 2015
Rg
I played these 2 games before the Gut game,1 in corals, 2 in paddy power.
Game 1 tracked in head also bet when Ktf showed. Used doz then col. won £12.60.
Game 2 thought i'd use the bottom bit. Anyway made £11.00.
The Gut game was in ladbrokes, was tracking on another sheet grassroots,but i had to drop it as the Trot in Gut was showing to bet the >1x's.
Rich it went well so keep at it.
Thanks notto. For sure
the negativity yesterday effected me not one bit
Thanks for testing buddy
Keep winning
RG cuz you asked. ...I'll post.
RaymanZ was right. Been playing this already a bit longer. Soooo...
We bet against previous 3 . We only bet the first spin of each minigame . On a hit we sit the next 2 spins out. On a loss we sit the next 2 spins out. We only bet if the previous 3 are unique. Progression : FLAT. It's a grinder but no crazy progression.
BR : 30 units
Win goal : 10 units
Stop loss : 30 units
If I'm down -10 then I double my bet.
If your units is let's say 100â,¬/$ cover 0
Didn't lost YET.
1 2 2 no bet
2 3 1 next spin I bet doz 1 and 3
1 1 1 won. No bet for next game
1 2 3 next spin I bet doz 2 and 3
3 2 2 won . No bet for next game
Etc...
RG I'm sorry but a negative progressions always kicks your *ss. Flat or positive progression is the way. Or as here a very mild one.
Switching tables will not help. It makes you feel like it's safer but it doesn't change much.
Hit n run = you got hit in the face and now we run coz we not wanna second punch. That's what I think anyway. Lol
And 0 or 00 does make a difference for sure.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 10, 02:40 PM 2015
RG cuz you asked. ...I'll post.
RaymanZ was right. Been playing this already a bit longer. Soooo...
We bet against previous 3 . We only bet the first spin of each minigame . On a hit we sit the next 2 spins out. On a loss we sit the next 2 spins out. We only bet if the previous 3 are unique. Progression : FLAT. It's a grinder but no crazy progression.
BR : 30 units
Win goal : 10 units
Stop loss : 30 units
If I'm down -10 then I double my bet.
If your units is let's say 100â,¬/$ cover 0
Didn't lost YET.
1 2 2 no bet
2 3 1 next spin I bet doz 1 and 3
1 1 1 won. No bet for next game
1 2 3 next spin I bet doz 2 and 3
3 2 2 won . No bet for next game
Etc...
RG I'm sorry but a negative progressions always kicks your *ss. Flat or positive progression is the way. Or as here a very mild one.
Switching tables will not help. It makes you feel like it's safer but it doesn't change much.
Hit n run = you got hit in the face and now we run coz we not wanna second punch. That's what I think anyway. Lol
And 0 or 00 does make a difference for sure.
So how much are you up and what's your biggest draw-down so far?
Quote from: denzie on Dec 10, 02:40 PM 2015
RG cuz you asked. ...I'll post.
RaymanZ was right. Been playing this already a bit longer. Soooo...
We bet against previous 3 . We only bet the first spin of each minigame . On a hit we sit the next 2 spins out. On a loss we sit the next 2 spins out. We only bet if the previous 3 are unique. Progression : FLAT. It's a grinder but no crazy progression.
BR : 30 units
Win goal : 10 units
Stop loss : 30 units
If I'm down -10 then I double my bet.
If your units is let's say 100â,¬/$ cover 0
Didn't lost YET.
1 2 2 no bet
2 3 1 next spin I bet doz 1 and 3
1 1 1 won. No bet for next game
1 2 3 next spin I bet doz 2 and 3
3 2 2 won . No bet for next game
Etc...
RG I'm sorry but a negative progressions always kicks your *ss. Flat or positive progression is the way. Or as here a very mild one.
Switching tables will not help. It makes you feel like it's safer but it doesn't change much.
Hit n run = you got hit in the face and now we run coz we not wanna second punch. That's what I think anyway. Lol
And 0 or 00 does make a difference for sure.
Thanks for speaking out
Betting against previous 3 fairs well. This tweak just makes it better
This tweak of only when previous 3 are unique is looking like a very nifty way to beat the random roulette wheel
You'd have to very very unlucky to lose this way
My charts dont lose on it.
Glad it hasnt lost yet for u
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 10, 01:17 PM 2015
Rg
I played these 2 games before the Gut game,1 in corals, 2 in paddy power.
Game 1 tracked in head also bet when Ktf showed. Used doz then col. won £12.60.
Game 2 thought i'd use the bottom bit. Anyway made £11.00.
The Gut game was in ladbrokes, was tracking on another sheet grassroots,but i had to drop it as the Trot in Gut was showing to bet the >1x's.
Rich it went well so keep at it.
Against 132 on dozens and columns? Which grassroots?
In game1 was betting against the doz and col. not every mini game as some times i was betting on the field,like betting for the 1st 10 to repeat at spin 53, a £1.80 bet, come in when chipped up nice.
game 2 watched for a unique in either like the 3,2,1 and the a,c,b bet both and won. At spin 36 i started to bet the 1st 19 to hit,took 5 to come in total bet was £43 also was covered the last 3 unique 1,3,2 c,b,a, I'd bet 1,1,2,3,10 on the field 1-1doz and 1-1 col, the accumalitive total was £73 returned 78. lookiing back now risky as before the 22,29,23 and the 10 all previous 19
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 10, 02:43 PM 2015
So how much are you up and what's your biggest draw-down so far?
It's still early to talk numbers.
14 sessions played. 14 won (140u)
DD I'm not really have. Did go in my double bets a few time. But mostly I don't need to go there. It's amazing how many hits on our first bet.
But as I said it's still early. Will see what the future brings. So far So good
Quote from: denzie on Dec 13, 03:53 AM 2015
It's still early to talk numbers.
14 sessions played. 14 won (140u)
DD I'm not really have. Did go in my double bets a few time. But mostly I don't need to go there. It's amazing how many hits on our first bet.
But as I said it's still early. Will see what the future brings. So far So good
You can talk the talk or you can walk the walk. Walking the walk is much better
140u awesome
I love seeing positive results and positive tests
Gives me a feeling of gratification that i wasnt wasting my time
21 sessions played and won. Anyone playing this way ?
For some reasons the columns have more hits on second spin. I stopped playing them.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 13, 06:45 AM 2015
I love seeing positive results and positive tests
Gives me a feeling of gratification that i wasnt wasting my time
I don't think you were ever wasting your time with this type of method RG. Similar methods have been on this board for years, they just aren't instant "millionaire" systems/methods so they eventually get abandoned just like all the other slow earners.
Quote from: button on Dec 14, 07:20 AM 2015
I don't think you were ever wasting your time with this type of method RG. Similar methods have been on this board for years, they just aren't instant "millionaire" systems/methods so they eventually get abandoned just like all the other slow earners.
Thanks button.
Ill be gome for awhile take care. And that remote viewing is impressive. Good luck
Hocus pocus or not if it works keep at it
The way I see the 1 23 it is not hocus pocus but a realistic bet selection not based on any previous results or math. Its now in my tool box of several 2 dozen systems.
Play at your own risk .
Nathan Detroit.
Thanks to RG for keeping up this thread.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 10, 02:40 PM 2015
RG cuz you asked. ...I'll post.
RaymanZ was right. Been playing this already a bit longer. Soooo...
We bet against previous 3 . We only bet the first spin of each minigame . On a hit we sit the next 2 spins out. On a loss we sit the next 2 spins out. We only bet if the previous 3 are unique. Progression : FLAT. It's a grinder but no crazy progression.
BR : 30 units
Win goal : 10 units
Stop loss : 30 units
If I'm down -10 then I double my bet.
If your units is let's say 100â,¬/$ cover 0
Didn't lost YET.
1 2 2 no bet
2 3 1 next spin I bet doz 1 and 3
1 1 1 won. No bet for next game
1 2 3 next spin I bet doz 2 and 3
3 2 2 won . No bet for next game
Etc...
RG I'm sorry but a negative progressions always kicks your *ss. Flat or positive progression is the way. Or as here a very mild one.
Switching tables will not help. It makes you feel like it's safer but it doesn't change much.
Hit n run = you got hit in the face and now we run coz we not wanna second punch. That's what I think anyway. Lol
And 0 or 00 does make a difference for sure.
Den
180 spins 60 mini games 3 oppotunities w,L,w
Do you stop on 1st win, start again later,1st win start again ?
That's correct Notto...
Are these real data ? ( 60 minigames with only 3 bets)
Rng spins in ladbrokes on 1/12/2015
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 15, 05:11 AM 2015
Rng spins in ladbrokes on 1/12/2015
That means if you wait the first 2 spins of each minigame. ...and bet for a repeat on the third spin...........I think you know the rest right? ;)
Quote from: Tamino on Dec 14, 12:20 PM 2015
The way I see the 1 23 it is not hocus pocus but a realistic bet selection not based on any previous results or math. Its now in my tool box of several 2 dozen systems.
Play at your own risk .
Nathan Detroit.
Thanks to RG for keeping up this thread.
you welcome tamino
Quote from: denzie on Dec 15, 02:20 AM 2015
That's correct Notto...
Are these real data ? ( 60 minigames with only 3 bets)
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 15, 05:11 AM 2015
Rng spins in ladbrokes on 1/12/2015
Quote from: denzie on Dec 15, 07:00 AM 2015
That means if you wait the first 2 spins of each minigame. ...and bet for a repeat on the third spin...........I think you know the rest right? ;)
Just got some time Den to look over some more old rng spins, to good to be true
1 6 1
2 30 3
3 6 1 w
4 16 2
5 14 2
6 24 2 nb
7 30 3
8 29 3
9 33 3 nb
10 7 1
11 16 2
12 3 1 w
13 3 1
14 18 2
15 2 1 w
16 25 3
17 6 1
18 5 1 w
19 22 2
20 21 2
21 10 1 nb
22 22 2
23 25 3
24 19 2 w
25 15 2
26 3 1
27 24 2 w
28 2 1
29 14 2
30 15 2 w
31 19 2
32 11 1
33 14 2 w
34 35 3
35 34 3
36 22 2 nb
37 7 1
38 19 2
39 19 2 w
40 3 1
41 12 1
42 9 1 nb
43 20 2
44 4 1
45 10 1 w
46 33 3
47 29 3
48 33 3 nb
49 7 1
50 8 1
51 15 2 nb
52 31 3
53 24 2
54 34 3 w
55 36 3
56 6 1
57 35 3 w
58 17 2
59 23 2
60 19 2 nb
Live spins Aspers MK
1 33 3
2 2 1
3 18 2 L
4 12 1
5 13 2
6 29 3 L
7 25 3
8 4 1
9 26 3 W
10 15 2
11 21 2
12 20 2 NB
13 8 1
14 16 2
15 12 1 W
16 34 3
17 9 1
18 18 2 L
19 30 3
20 20 2
21 30 3 W
22 7 1
23 14 2
24 12 1 W
25 13 2
26 22 2
27 12 1 NB
28 29 3
29 21 2
30 35 3 W
31 20 2
32 23 2
33 19 2 NB
34 34 3
35 2 1
36 16 2 L
37 7 1
38 16 2
39 21 2 W
40 25 3
41 19 2
42 4 1 L
43 33 3
44 20 2
45 32 3 W
46 24 2
47 3 1
48 14 2 W
49 0 0
50 29 3
51 13 2 NB
Notto,
What you are doing right there is when having 2 unique dozens in a row betting those 2 dozens, betting the 3rd spin wont be unique from those 2
It is a good way to play. But be careful
Be ready with a recovery roll
You will see about 5 unique per hour ex. 321
Be ready for 5 losses every 50 to 100 spins
Good for hit and run?
31 -4 bet 3/1
22-1 bet 2/1
1-16 bet 1/2
1-6 bet 1/choose one
32-22 bet 3/2
12-0 bet 1/ choose one
Etc....all flat.
You had 3 bets in 60 minigames. ...go look them again and count your profit.
You might like it :)
Looks good, very promising indeed. I will test this this week, with flat aswell. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Dec 16, 07:33 AM 2015
31 -4 bet 3/1
22-1 bet 2/1
1-16 bet 1/2
1-6 bet 1/choose one
32-22 bet 3/2
12-0 bet 1/ choose one
Etc....all flat.
You had 3 bets in 60 minigames. ...go look them again and count your profit.
You might like it :)
Maybe I'm a little stupid sorry...but I don't understand the above.....can you please explain ?
Quote from: ptzelepis on Dec 16, 03:31 PM 2015
Maybe I'm a little stupid sorry...but I don't understand the above.....can you please explain ?
31 -4 bet 3/1 31 = 3rd dozen, 4 = 1 Dozen so you bet 1 and 3 dozen
22-1 bet 2/1 22 = 2nd dozen, 1 = 1 Dozen so you bet the 2 and 1 dozen
1-16 bet 1/2 1 = 1st dozen, 16 = 2nd Dozen so you bet the 1 and 2 dozen
1-6 bet 1/choose one 1 = 1st dozen, 6 = 1st dozen aswell so you bet 1st dozen and then choose a dozen you want to play on this bet
32-22 bet 3/2 32 = 3rd dozen, 22 = 2nd Dozen so you bet 3 and 2 dozen
12-0 bet 1/ choose one 12 = 1st dozen, 0 = zero so you bet 1st dozen and then choose a dozen you want to play on this bet
Etc....all flat.
Ok, I took this for a spin today. This wasnt a very good session.
The tests is identical. The BR mirrors my currency (SEK) 1000 is a little more than 100$. I was playing 50 (little more than 5$) on the dozens and 5 (0.5$) as an insurance (50+50+5).
I first tested a way I thought of while at work, and that was only to play against the three dozen but only play on the first bet.
I also tested with the same numbers to play the way denzie described but I didn't test how it went if I choosed a dozen when I got 2 of the same dozen and also a dozen if zero came up. Sorry denzie, don't look at the end result because your test wasn't fair, since I didn't apply all the rules. I will test it later with your rules applied.
The true test here was to see how it went with flat bet, and I must say that flat bet is the best in my opinion. This test shows that you can come back quite easy if you choose to bet flat, and not use any progression. The end result in this test showed that 1-3-9, 1-3-3 or 1-3-6 could be very dangerous.
I will do some more testing this week.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 16, 09:05 PM 2015
I also tested with the same numbers to play the way denzie described but I didn't test how it went if I choosed a dozen when I got 2 of the same dozen and also a dozen if zero came up. Sorry denzie, don't look at the end result because your test wasn't fair, since I didn't apply all the rules. I will test it later with your rules applied.
The true test here was to see how it went with flat bet, and I must say that flat bet is the best in my opinion. This test shows that you can come back quite easy if you choose to bet flat, and not use any progression. The end result in this test showed that 1-3-9, 1-3-3 or 1-3-6 could be very dangerous.
I will do some more testing this week.
Hey,
I've took a quick look. My way should get + 10 . It's important to apply the "rules" correct. Looking good :thumbsup:
As I said earlier. ..only FLAT or positive progression. All negatives will fail. Even with a very high hit rate.
What I do here is double my bets after -10. If I'm at -30 stop. It's not our day so we better stop. It can be a grind sometimes but hey.....
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 16, 06:31 AM 2015
Just got some time Den to look over some more old rng spins, to good to be true
1 6 1
2 30 3
3 6 1 w
4 16 2
5 14 2
6 24 2 nb
7 30 3
8 29 3
9 33 3 nb
10 7 1
11 16 2
12 3 1 w
13 3 1
14 18 2
etc
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Hi notto. For testing, I think the tracking should start at different points in time as well, to make sure that wasn't just a lucky run. Like, what would happen if you arrived one spin "too late" at the table?
1 6 1
2 30 3 START HERE
3 6 1 w
4 16 2 L
5 14 2
6 24 2 nb
7 30 3 NB
8 29 3
9 33 3 nb
10 7 1 NB
11 16 2
12 3 1 w
13 3 1 W
14 18 2
1 6 1
2 30 3
3 6 1 w START HERE
4 16 2
5 14 2 W
6 24 2 nb
7 30 3
8 29 3 W
9 33 3 nb
10 7 1
11 16 2 L
12 3 1 w
13 3 1
14 18 2 NB
ETC :thumbsup:
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 16, 09:05 PM 2015
Ok, I took this for a spin today. This wasnt a very good session.
The tests is identical. The BR mirrors my currency (SEK) 1000 is a little more than 100$. I was playing 50 (little more than 5$) on the dozens and 5 (0.5$) as an insurance (50+50+5).
I first tested a way I thought of while at work, and that was only to play against the three dozen but only play on the first bet.
I also tested with the same numbers to play the way denzie described but I didn't test how it went if I choosed a dozen when I got 2 of the same dozen and also a dozen if zero came up. Sorry denzie, don't look at the end result because your test wasn't fair, since I didn't apply all the rules. I will test it later with your rules applied.
The true test here was to see how it went with flat bet, and I must say that flat bet is the best in my opinion. This test shows that you can come back quite easy if you choose to bet flat, and not use any progression. The end result in this test showed that 1-3-9, 1-3-3 or 1-3-6 could be very dangerous.
I will do some more testing this week.
Playing "your way" you should do at least the 1st 2 bets. Skip 3rd bet. Progression 1, 2 for break even? On a loss on 1,2 increase chip value for recoup as you can be confident with this bet selection. Looking at "your way" on this test and using 1,2 cuts your losses in half from 6 losses to 3 losses and none of the losses would have been back to back. Using 1,2 then the next trigger upping the units for recoup would have been successful. Food for thought
On denzies way you should lose on average 5 times every hour so use proper money management
On denzies way u did 26 mini games and i see 6 reds. Looks about right. But played by his rules you had a few more wins. Playing denzies id say pull put when up several units dont stay too long
I have been testing every night and continue to see 5 to 6 unique dozen patterns per hour
Thelaw's moving target should not be overlooked
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 17, 06:47 AM 2015
Playing "your way" you should do at least the 1st 2 bets. Skip 3rd bet. Progression 1, 2 for break even? On a loss on 1,2 increase chip value for recoup as you can be confident with this bet selection. Looking at "your way" on this test and using 1,2 cuts your losses in half from 6 losses to 3 losses and none of the losses would have been back to back. Using 1,2 then the next trigger upping the units for recoup would have been successful. Food for thought
On denzies way you should lose on average 5 times every hour so use proper money management
On denzies way u did 26 mini games and i see 6 reds. Looks about right. But played by his rules you had a few more wins. Playing denzies id say pull put when up several units dont stay too long
I have been testing every night and continue to see 5 to 6 unique dozen patterns per hour
Thelaw's moving target should not be overlooked
I called it "my way" because I didn't know what else to call it, since everyone seems to use different strategies and progression of your system. :thumbsup:
This was a test to see how far I could get with the spins I downloaded from weisbaden spielbank. I would have probably stopped playing with real money with denzies way when I was at 1315 since I had 3 no bets after that and when I was over 200 profit on the way I played it.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 17, 11:18 AM 2015
I called it "my way" because I didn't know what else to call it, since everyone seems to use different strategies and progression of your system. :thumbsup:
This was a test to see how far I could get with the spins I downloaded from weisbaden spielbank. I would have probably stopped playing with real money with denzies way when I was at 1315 since I had 3 no bets after that and when I was over 200 profit on the way I played it.
I didnt mean anything by quoting it. I did that so noone would be confused between that and denzies
Keep on keepin on :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Dec 16, 07:33 AM 2015
31 -4 bet 3/1
22-1 bet 2/1
1-16 bet 1/2
1-6 bet 1/choose one
32-22 bet 3/2
12-0 bet 1/ choose one
Etc....all flat.
You had 3 bets in 60 minigames. ...go look them again and count your profit.
You might like it :)
So anyone tried it? I did about 200 spins (+/-70 minigames) and I've won pretty easily. All Flat. Didn't need to double up. I'm not good in making charts. But it would go up and down but slightly moving north East.
If anyone tried pls let me know. Maybe I'm just lucky.
Quote from: psimoes on Dec 17, 05:25 AM 2015
Hi notto. For testing, I think the tracking should start at different points in time as well, to make sure that wasn't just a lucky run. Like, what would happen if you arrived one spin "too late" at the table?
1 6 1
2 30 3 START HERE
3 6 1 w
4 16 2 L
5 14 2
6 24 2 nb
7 30 3 NB
8 29 3
9 33 3 nb
10 7 1 NB
11 16 2
12 3 1 w
13 3 1 W
14 18 2
1 6 1
2 30 3
3 6 1 w START HERE
4 16 2
5 14 2 W
6 24 2 nb
7 30 3
8 29 3 W
9 33 3 nb
10 7 1
11 16 2 L
12 3 1 w
13 3 1
14 18 2 NB
ETC :thumbsup:
If you want to check out all 60 spins psimoes go to rng spins UK bookies in
Real Roulette Spins. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Dec 17, 09:32 PM 2015
So anyone tried it? I did about 200 spins (+/-70 minigames) and I've won pretty easily. All Flat. Didn't need to double up. I'm not good in making charts. But it would go up and down but slightly moving north East.
If anyone tried pls let me know. Maybe I'm just lucky.
I will try this hopefully tonight or in the next couple of days. :thumbsup:
Couldn't wait so I took tested 99 spins during lunch break at work.
I tested first to see how things went if you didn't double it which went okay, but I should have double for less grinding. I double two bets later on which went great. :)
I would probably have quit at row 21 or 22, if I played with real money. Besides not double at the beginning, I think I applied the rules correctly.
Anyway, +55 units. :) Will test this more later.
celescliff
where you get 2-2- ? how do you chose the other dozen to bet
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 18, 12:46 PM 2015
celescliff
where you get 2-2- ? how do you chose the other dozen to bet
I often choose dozen if it hasn't come up last. When I test I download spins from weisbaden spielbank and then I shrink down notepad so I can only see 1 number. That way I can't predict what number comes next. Like the pictures I attached. So when I get 2-2 like the pictures and 3 came before those 2 I choose to bet 1.
I don't know why this always happen to me. I tested bet against previous 3 almost 2 weeks and i saw only 2 losses.
I decided to bet with the real money, but i saw 6 losses in only 100 spins and the latest loss was 3 times in a row!!
2 3 2
2 3 2
2 3 2
2 3 2
Is there anyone have a good result when betting with the real money?
Quote from: tonowen on Dec 18, 11:27 PM 2015
I don't know why this always happen to me. I tested bet against previous 3 almost 2 weeks and i saw only 2 losses.
I decided to bet with the real money, but i saw 6 losses in only 100 spins and the latest loss was 3 times in a row!!
2 3 2
2 3 2
2 3 2
2 3 2
Is there anyone have a good result when betting with the real money?
If you like playing against previous 3 checkout the raymanz tweak thread.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 18, 12:00 PM 2015
Couldn't wait so I took tested 99 spins during lunch break at work.
I tested first to see how things went if you didn't double it which went okay, but I should have double for less grinding. I double two bets later on which went great. :)
I would probably have quit at row 21 or 22, if I played with real money. Besides not double at the beginning, I think I applied the rules correctly.
Anyway, +55 units. :) Will test this more later.
this is a good tweak. props to denzie. i think ive mentioned it before, and someone else did to but denzie made it take off
the only was for it to lose is to have a lot of uniques, and we know that just doesnt happen
i would only play it if the first 2 were unique, i wouldnt play if it was
NO BET
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denzies way
my triggers are:
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32I re-did celescliff test, this time with my tweak of Denzie's way. I would only bet when the 1st two were unique from one another, 0 disqualified.
And betting against previous 3 when unique won them all. No reds. Only green
for the hit and run crowd and believers ONLY, not for the math guys. Million spin testers need not apply:
Bet against 123. The original grassroots idea on rolling basis. No mini games
Get in. Get out
4 unit win goal
Bet against 1. If win bet against 1 again
When lose bet against 2. Lose again bet against 3. Original method as author intended
On ANY win reset immediately betting against 1. No mini games at all
We want to be in and out within about 10 spins or less
Only way to lose is for 123 to hit you immediately
To recap: bet against 1 2 3 on any win reset immediately
Insurance on 0 is not an option. Its like brushing your teeth, you just do it. Dont do it? Then dont complain when 103 happens
This roulette thing is random. Fight random and do it fast
So far , still good. Pretty solid.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 18, 12:00 PM 2015
Couldn't wait so I took tested 99 spins during lunch break at work.
I tested first to see how things went if you didn't double it which went okay, but I should have double for less grinding. I double two bets later on which went great. :)
I would probably have quit at row 21 or 22, if I played with real money. Besides not double at the beginning, I think I applied the rules correctly.
Anyway, +55 units. :) Will test this more later.
Now we're talking ;)
Just some thoughts for viewer's consideration.
If this system is one you like and feel comfortable playing at 1-1; 2-2; 6-6 or 1-1; 3-3; 9-9, if you can afford it why not play for 1-1; 4-4; 13-13? This is a Grand Martingale for double dozens. You win 1 unit if you win the first bet. You win 2 units if you win the 2nd bet and you win 3 units if you win the 3rd bet. Believe me, if 1-1; 2-2; 6-6 works, then for just a little more investment and no more risk you can win at a much faster rate.
Also, if this works with a 3 step marty, and you can afford it, it will work just as well with a 4 step or 5 step marty. You could bet 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27 and have many, many fewer losses. For those with really deep pockets, a 6 step marty will let you bet against dozen pattern 1 2 3 1 2 3. How often does that happen?
Of course these change suggestions don't affect the performance of the system, they just give you larger wins or more wins between losses, on average.
Whatever you decide on, don't risk more than you can afford.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Dec 20, 10:25 AM 2015
Just some thoughts for viewer's consideration.
If this system is one you like and feel comfortable playing at 1-1; 2-2; 6-6 or 1-1; 3-3; 9-9, if you can afford it why not play for 1-1; 4-4; 13-13? This is a Grand Martingale for double dozens. You win 1 unit if you win the first bet. You win 2 units if you win the 2nd bet and you win 3 units if you win the 3rd bet. Believe me, if 1-1; 2-2; 6-6 works, then for just a little more investment and no more risk you can win at a much faster rate.
Also, if this works with a 3 step marty, and you can afford it, it will work just as well with a 4 step or 5 step marty. You could bet 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27 and have many, many fewer losses. For those with really deep pockets, a 6 step marty will let you bet against dozen pattern 1 2 3 1 2 3. How often does that happen?
Of course these change suggestions don't affect the performance of the system, they just give you larger wins or more wins between losses, on average.
Whatever you decide on, don't risk more than you can afford.
GLC
Will be playing online at 5 dimes and will take this advice
Each one of us prefers his progression. But for me flat is the way to go. Can't seem to lose. It will. I know.
I get +10 each session. I even get + 15 each session. That's a bit more then 10-20% of our BR. ;)
Still not sure what to think but again. ...so far so very good.
Flat Flat Flat
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 09, 01:26 PM 2015
Does anyone agree that this is a HG or am i just nuts? Be honest
I just found this thread and I can't figure out how it mechanically works.
Are you waiting for a 1,2 ? Or just starting from the last result, in which case
all you are doing is betting against the last dozen.
As an example, from Nick the greeks data on page two,
The results go (for discussion) Take a look.
w 2
l 2 Guess we bet 1,2, against a 3?
w 2 Not sure how we make up a bet
l 1 Still not sure
w 1 Somehow we win. Guess against a 2
w 2 But here we also win. Would we be betting AGAINST a 2?
w 3
Doesn't seem to be any consistency.
Here is the original system example on page one.
1,3,2---W 2nd spin
They start after the first spin ONLY because it’s a “1†betting against a “2�
2,1,1---W 1st spin
A new series starts? Based on what? The “2†in the first row not being a “3�
2,3,2 ---W 1st spin
3,1,2---W 1st spin
1,2,1---W 3rd spin
Am *I* nutz? I don't see the flow in these examples.
Hi mogul397
its a 3 spin mini game using 1,2,3 on 1st spin you bet against doz 1 , so bet is 2,3 if lose next spin bet against 2 bet 1,3
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 02, 09:25 PM 2015
i have tested the first 102 spins of zumma (american since onetaste plays in AC)
102 spins being 34 mini games
i had one mini game loss in the 34 mini games. in all cases 1 3 9 won, except once. question remains, play mini games, or just play on a rolling basis with an ever so slight progression?
bravo onetaste this is a good bet selection i believe. granted this is a small sample size it does have potential. thanks for the new idea.
played as mini games and 1 3 9 prog, + 33 units - 26 units, total gain of +7 units
for what its worth flat betting every spin would have yielded +5 units
playing with $10 chips and $500 bankroll, resetting after a loss at 9 units per dozen back to 1 unit bankroll survived and in plus :thumbsup:
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So here is what I have. I am guessing for the start. My assumption is that somehow
you are always looking at the last result and betting against the NEXT higher on
in a circular pattern. But I can't tell.
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FAT FINGER POST. DON'T KNOW HOW TO DELETE.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 02, 09:25 PM 2015
i have tested the first 102 spins of zumma (american since onetaste plays in AC)
102 spins being 34 mini games
i had one mini game loss in the 34 mini games. in all cases 1 3 9 won, except once. question remains, play mini games, or just play on a rolling basis with an ever so slight progression?
bravo onetaste this is a good bet selection i believe. granted this is a small sample size it does have potential. thanks for the new idea.
played as mini games and 1 3 9 prog, + 33 units - 26 units, total gain of +7 units
for what its worth flat betting every spin would have yielded +5 units
playing with $10 chips and $500 bankroll, resetting after a loss at 9 units per dozen back to 1 unit bankroll survived and in plus :thumbsup:
with a win goal of 5 units you may never see that 3L
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but at least it is traceable
So here is what I have. I am guessing for the start. My assumption is that somehow
you are always looking at the last result and betting against the NEXT higher on
in a circular pattern. But I can't tell.
2
2 w Bet against 3 after 2?
1 w Bet again against 3 after 2?
1 w Bet against 2 after 1?
2 -- NB? If so, why? Double 1's?
3 w Betting for no 3. Would be a loss.
3 w Bet for no 1?
2 w Bet for no 1 AGAIN?
3 -- NB? Why?
1 w Bet for no 1? LOSS???
3 w No 2
1 w No 1? LOSSS?
3 --
I don't get it.
You bet against dozen sequence 123 in 3 spin mini games. When you win you wait until next mini game
Thats it
Expect to lose 1 to 2 times an hour on american. More losses on euro. Due to wheel layout 123 is much more common on euro
The dashes werent no bet as u put it. I used dashes to separate the mini games
Just the tip of the ice berg
Opens up the doorway to a new way of thinking
Even if it isnt the best, people can chime in and help and tweak and have epiphanies. Ya know, sometimes people forget what the forums for
But how it goes is after 40 pages the negative people get a strong hold and its downhill from there
Then we find ourselves either at square 1, or the smart ones go and win with it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 21, 05:27 PM 2015
You bet against dozen sequence 123 in 3 spin mini games. When you win you wait until next mini game
Thats it
Expect to lose 1 to 2 times an hour on american. More losses on euro. Due to wheel layout 123 is much more common on euro
The dashes werent no bet as u put it. I used dashes to separate the mini games
Just the tip of the ice berg
Opens up the doorway to a new way of thinking
Even if it isnt the best, people can chime in and help and tweak and have epiphanies. Ya know, sometimes people forget what the forums for
But how it goes is after 40 pages the negative people get a strong hold and its downhill from there
Then we find ourselves either at square 1, or the smart ones go and win with it
Thanks RG. I'm getting it a bit more.
But as I look at page 102 of zumma I get
"2,2,1" and "1,2,3"
In your results from page 1 I see "w w w" "w w w".....
So
1) I see a win on the first set of 3, but an immediate loss on the second set,
but no record of a loss in your test. And
2) You do have "w w w" "w w w".. As if you are playing every spin.
They are all in 3's. If you were playing sessions of 3, you would have
one result from each group.
Kind of threw me and knocked the wind out of my sales to see a loss
right away.
Am I right about the example? Or what do I see wrong?
Thanks
the test you are citing is the first 102 spins of american zumma
i bet every single time against 123 pattern, no stopping, just against 1 then 2 then 3. I did it this way to see if there was ALWAYS a W within 3 spins. if there was then I knew 1 3 9 would work. One time it did not work, see the LLL
how some of us ended up doing it going forward was mini games of 3
walk up to table
spin 1- bet against dozen 1, if win sit out next 2 spins
spin 2- bet against dozen 2, if win sit out next spin
spin 3- bet against dozen 3, if win bet immediately against dozen 1
if I had ONE W within 3 spins i knew i was home free with 1 3 9, insurance on 0 of course, always...as i see a lot of 103, no good if you aren't on zero to
i tested the bajeebus out of this
my findings (on american wheel):
-123 occurs one time every 75 spins or so (it occurs more sometimes, but only on rolling basis, in set mini games of 3 it does not)
-if you wait for 123 to occur then bet against it, go big
-a unique dozen formation averages 5 to 6 times every 100 spins
do not gamble with money you cannot afford to, because 123123 will happen every 2200 spins or so :)
at the end of the day this is roulette and every strategy will have losses.....but i think this is the best double dozens bet selection on this forum.....well, ONE of the best
Here is my latest update since hitting a bad sequence using this system a few weeks ago (just betting against 123).
I've tweaked this and now keep betting against the previous unique 3 spin mini game.
These are the unique mini games that I bet against:
123
132
213
231
312
321
So, I don't initially start betting until one of these sequences shows itself in a 3 spin mini game - I then keep betting against it (in 3 spin mini games) until another one shows and then I switch and keep betting against that one until another one appears........etc. etc.
If the first/second bet wins let the mini game play out without any further betting.
If the third bet loses stop and start again from scratch at another table.
Progression is 1-3-9, however I might now try 1-4-13 to help build the bank more quickly (thank you GLC for the suggestion).
All going well so far using Euro live online wheels.
Please test this before you use real cash - I'm still testing with real cash but only use 10p stakes with a starting bank of £20, when the bank reaches £30 I double the stakes to 20p and when I reach £40 I double again to 40p.
I usually play for short periods of time and aim to increase the bank by 5% then call it a day.
It's a grind, however no big losses yet - I hope to play more during the Christmas holidays when a full time job doesn't get in the way!!
Nick
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Dec 22, 06:02 AM 2015
So, I don't initially start betting until one of these sequences shows itself in a 3 spin mini game - I then keep betting against it (in 3 spin mini games) until another one shows and then I switch and keep betting against that one until another one appears........etc. etc.
If the first/second bet wins let the mini game play out without any further betting.
If the third bet loses stop and start again from scratch at another table.
Progression is 1-3-9, however I might now try 1-4-13 to help build the bank more quickly (thank you GLC for the suggestion).
All going well so far using Euro live online wheels.
:thumbsup:
I wish i had a 20 cents option. 1 dollar is the absolute minimum for me on 5 dimes and 10 dollars on airball
If i could play 20 cents i coul use a 2 step progression. Oh well
At the end of the day roulette is gambling and still requires some luck. So only money u can affore to lose
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 21, 08:05 PM 2015
the test you are citing is the first 102 spins of american zumma
i bet every single time against 123 pattern, no stopping, just against 1 then 2 then 3. I did it this way to see if there was ALWAYS a W within 3 spins. if there was then I knew 1 3 9 would work. One time it did not work, see the LLL
how some of us ended up doing it going forward was mini games of 3
walk up to table
spin 1- bet against dozen 1, if win sit out next 2 spins
spin 2- bet against dozen 2, if win sit out next spin
spin 3- bet against dozen 3, if win bet immediately against dozen 1
if I had ONE W within 3 spins i knew i was home free with 1 3 9, insurance on 0 of course, always...as i see a lot of 103, no good if you aren't on zero to
i tested the bajeebus out of this
my findings (on american wheel):
-123 occurs one time every 75 spins or so (it occurs more sometimes, but only on rolling basis, in set mini games of 3 it does not)
-if you wait for 123 to occur then bet against it, go big
-a unique dozen formation averages 5 to 6 times every 100 spins
do not gamble with money you cannot afford to, because 123123 will happen every 2200 spins or so :)
at the end of the day this is roulette and every strategy will have losses.....but i think this is the best double dozens bet selection on this forum.....well, ONE of the best
My bad, RG. I read PAGE 102, as I often grab the book and turn to random pages.
BTW, what are the other double dozen systems that are as good or
better than this?
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 22, 07:41 AM 2015
My bad, RG. I read PAGE 102, as I often grab the book and turn to random pages.
BTW, what are the other double dozen systems that are as good or
better than this?
This tweak. Not my idea. So i wont take credit for it
Look at the unique dozen sequences nick posted above
Whenever you see one of those bet against it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 07:45 AM 2015
This tweak. Not my idea. So i wont take credit for it
Look at the unique dozen sequences nick posted above
Whenever you see one of those bet against it
It's funny that you mention that. I was thinking about this kind of
variation last night. And what I was thinking about was taking,
say, the columb numbers (1,2,3) and using that as the template
for the next bet series, to create a moving target.
Yeah, the more I think this thing through, flat play
on this series of 3 betting is just a loss.
The only time you make money is when you hit the
first one. After that you're already recovering from
the 2 unit losses from the 1st or 2nd losses.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 06:47 AM 2015
:thumbsup:
I wish i had a 20 cents option. 1 dollar is the absolute minimum for me on 5 dimes and 10 dollars on airball
If i could play 20 cents i coul use a 2 step progression. Oh well
At the end of the day roulette is gambling and still requires some luck. So only money u can affore to lose
Where you from RG? I never saw 20 cents.
I'm lucky to find $5.
Longest island in america.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 22, 07:41 AM 2015
BTW, what are the other double dozen systems that are as good or
better than this?
For such amount of comprehension here, you can try to play against 3 of the same dozen in a row.
Dont ask me why 8)
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 22, 08:31 AM 2015
For such amount of comprehension here, you can try to play against 3 of the same dozen in a row.
Dont ask me why 8)
Cheers
111
222
333??
Yes RG. Have you tried to observe that?
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 22, 08:53 AM 2015
Yes RG. Have you tried to observe that?
Yes
Many more wins then losses for sure
But murphys law.
When i plant myself at the table rest assured 111111111 will happen
:twisted:
Well 9 of the same dozens in a row would mean only two levels in your progression scheme. As I saw you are ready to go 3 more beyond that? You are ready to bring Fort Knox to the casino, so whats the problem ::) Hehe
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 08:56 AM 2015
Yes
Many more wins then losses for sure
But murphys law.
When i plant myself at the table rest assured 111111111 will happen
:twisted:
The dozen 1 is just balancing out, happens on live as it does on RNG. Also as you sit down you dont know how the balance of the dozens are
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 09, 01:26 PM 2015
Does anyone agree that this is a HG or am i just nuts? Be honest
RG, I've been grazing through this thread trying to come up with some
closure. Since way back you seem to have good confidence in it.
If that hasn't changed, would you be willing to share/repeat EXACTLY
what you do now, and if you still feel this way?
Thanks
mogul
I played once real money
Against 123. Won 7 units and stopped.
Want to read a fantastic tweak?
Look under notepad. Grassroots raymanz tweak thread
Read norieles story
Against previous 3 when unique
Ill say more later. At work
For those who interested. ....my flat tweak performing very good.
Just try it
If you don't want to flat bet then here's a thought.
You bet like denize described but here's the tweak:
2 3 bet 2 3 with 1 unit on each dozen (plus insurance)
1 come up so we got 2 3 1, that's a loss.
next dozen,
2 1 bet 2 1 with 3 unit on each dozen (plus insurance)
3 come up so we got 2 1 3, another loss.
next dozen,
1 2 bet 1 2 with 6 unit (or 3 or 9) on each dozen (plus insurance)
1 come up so we got 1 2 1, that's a win.
3 unique dozen come up rarely but it happens from time to time. but how often have you guys seen 3 in a row?
Just a thought.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 22, 05:26 PM 2015
If you don't want to flat bet then here's a thought.
You bet like denize described but here's the tweak:
2 3 bet 2 3 with 1 unit on each dozen (plus insurance)
1 come up so we got 2 3 1, that's a loss.
next dozen,
2 1 bet 2 1 with 3 unit on each dozen (plus insurance)
3 come up so we got 2 1 3, another loss.
next dozen,
1 2 bet 1 2 with 6 unit (or 3 or 9) on each dozen (plus insurance)
1 come up so we got 1 2 1, that's a win.
3 unique dozen come up rarely but it happens from time to time. but how often have you guys seen 3 in a row?
Just a thought.
I havent seen 2 in a row yet let alone 3
2 can and will happen as some have seen it
3 times? 2 times 1 in 2200 so 3 is probably like 1 in 20k
If i could play with .10 to .20 id have a field day
Damn my local casino. So greedy. $10 minimum PER DOZEN. During the day...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 05:46 PM 2015
I havent seen 2 in a row yet let alone 3
2 can and will happen as some have seen it
3 times? 2 times 1 in 2200 so 3 is probably like 1 in 20k
If i could play with .10 to .20 id have a field day
Damn my local casino. So greedy. $10 minimum PER DOZEN. During the day...
....but if this is a SURE THING, who cares if its a $10 min?
Ken
I will look at my previous test later when i get back home from work.
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 22, 06:01 PM 2015
....but if this is a SURE THING, who cares if its a $10 min?
Ken
Psychological
Knowing the loss CAN happen
Murphys law
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 06:12 PM 2015
Psychological
Knowing the loss CAN happen
Murphys law
There's something to that. I've been in both camps. To be honest
almost 100% of my casino time is taking records. More often than
not I don't make a single bet. I walk in with my notebook and not
a dime in my pocket.
But in the past, when I make a decision, I know what I'm going to
do and how. One time I was ramping up at a craps table and
made an $800 line bet. It came out OK. But when I "lock and load",
it's time to do business. Win or lose. That doesn't happen much.
But at a $5 table, with 1,3,9 (if you choose), that adds up to a
decent session.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 22, 06:23 PM 2015
There's something to that. I've been in both camps. To be honest
almost 100% of my casino time is taking records. More often than
not I don't make a single bet. I walk in with my notebook and not
a dime in my pocket.
But in the past, when I make a decision, I know what I'm going to
do and how. One time I was ramping up at a craps table and
made an $800 line bet. It came out OK. But when I "lock and load",
it's time to do business. Win or lose. That doesn't happen much.
But at a $5 table, with 1,3,9 (if you choose), that adds up to a
decent session.
I can say ive been there
Having solid strategies before fail
I spend 99 percent time testing 1 percent playing
Ive played with this grassroots crap now for many thousands of spins and its very good. Real wheel spins. No rng (sorry notto), and no 1 million spins. Real world celtic live wheel spins and zumma
But im still nervous to go in
When i won 7 units ($70) 3 of the bets won on attempt 3. Nerve racking
If i had to goto war with roulette, this would be my special forces
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 06:12 PM 2015
Psychological
Knowing the loss CAN happen
Murphys law
So then the POINT of this method is what? Why drive tomorrow? You could crash and exit this world.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 22, 06:28 PM 2015
So then the POINT of this method is what? Why drive tomorrow? You could crash and exit this world.
Ken
What do you mean whats the point?
Made a quick look at my previous tests with this tweak and of all the test I've done only 1 full loss but that loss i could get. I would still be in profit. :thumbsup: will test this more in depth tonight or in the next couple of days being christmas and all.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 22, 06:35 PM 2015
Made a quick look at my previous tests with this tweak and of all the test I've done only 1 full loss but that loss i could get. I would still be in profit. :thumbsup: will test this more in depth tonight or in the next couple of days being christmas and all.
:thumbsup:
Along the same lines......I remember a couple years ago, I played a decent method until the roof collapsed. Played ONE number progression... 1-130, $3,600 on a loss. First, I kept track of every number hit until I had one left unhit. It took around five hours til I got down to one unhit (every number continues to be recorded until I decide to leave). Then, start the progression. So its around 250 spins PLUS the 130, 380 total !!!
Made nice profits for MANY MANY days.
YEP.....(still remember, #33)....the 33 never did hit. Lost $3,600. So yes, ANYTHING bad can happen with roulette, no question about it.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 22, 06:42 PM 2015
Along the same lines......I remember a couple years ago, I played a decent method until the roof collapsed. Played ONE number progression... 1-130, $3,600 on a loss. First, I kept track of every number hit until I had one left unhit. It took around five hours til I got down to one unhit (every number continues to be recorded until I decide to leave). Then, start the progression. So its around 250 spins PLUS the 130, 380 total !!!
Made nice profits for MANY MANY days.
YEP.....(still remember, #33)....the 33 never did hit. Lost $3,600. So yes, ANYTHING bad can happen with roulette, no question about it.
Ken
In laymens terms: i wouldnt have the balls to do that.
Ive done similar with 3 DS
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 06:29 PM 2015
What do you mean whats the point?
If something is a *SURE THING* (or close to it, I believe the Holy Grail term has been used here)....rarely loses, there should be no talk of too high of a min. bet.
I could even go further. If you do not live close to a casino....MOVE close to a casino, even if its a 400 mile move. With a HG, why would you not move?
Ken
Hey RG,
Might want to think about adding a running tally of wins/losses at this point.....as well as an update on the method with all current tweaks.
We're now 63 pages into this thread, with very little to show for it so far.............JL's Pattern breaker was 89 pages, and we all know how that ended.
At 63 pages we should be seeing many public claims of winning if this system is solid for long-term play, as the system itself is pretty easy to execute. I'm seeing members here and there claim wins, but there needs to be some consistency moving forward, or this thread will die out like all the others.
You've done a great job thus far brain-storming the 1-2-3 idea, so now it's time to follow-through.
You've got a winning system............let's see it in action.
I personally would love to see this method succeed! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 06:46 PM 2015
In laymens terms: i wouldnt have the balls to do that.
Ive done similar with 3 DS
....but I FELT, it was a SURE THING, so I did it. Had some damn good days before I lost.
Ken
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 22, 06:47 PM 2015
Hey RG,
Might want to think about adding a running tally of wins/losses at this point.....as well as an update on the method with all current tweaks.
We're now 63 pages into this thread, with very little to show for it so far.............JL's Pattern breaker was 89 pages, and we all know how that ended.
At 63 pages we should be seeing many public claims of winning if this system is solid for long-term play, as the system itself is pretty easy to execute. I'm seeing members here and there claim wins, but there needs to be some consistency moving forward, or this thread will die out like all the others.
You've done a great job thus far brain-storming the 1-2-3 idea, so now it's time to follow-through.
You've got a winning system............let's see it in action.
I personally would love to see this method succeed! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Hey law
Checkout noreiles story in the other thread
That is a success story. 30 sessions. 1 thousand spins before he had a unique repeat.
The against unique is best tweak so far
Thanks for positivity
.......just one more note:
I tend to leave the majority of testing to the creator of the system, as I did with all of the systems that I have presented.
The same goes for any tweaks..........I personally wait until that person runs it for a while, then look for any updates. This is for long-term testing only. :thumbsup:
@RG >> Just thought of this. What is YOUR personal BR for this method?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 22, 06:52 PM 2015
@RG >> Just thought of this. What is YOUR personal BR for this method?
Ken
$10 chips. 100 units
Or i can deposit to 5 dimes and play $1 chips
Playing 2 dozens no matter with which method is always relaxing as long as one knows when to get up.You are always playing with 14 numbers no matter which way you try to slice the mustard there will always be 14 numbers against you.
Enjoy this system as long as you are happy with it I have enjoyed playing dozens for the past 34 years.
Play at your own risk as you cannot always be a winner.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 22, 06:47 PM 2015
At 63 pages we should be seeing many public claims of winning if this system is solid for long-term play, as the system itself is pretty easy to execute. I'm seeing members here and there claim wins, but there needs to be some consistency moving forward, or this thread will die out like all the others.
public claims? i wish. there are several people PMing me positive results but wont post
one persons said its because they dont want to deal with naysayers, only like minded people
anyway.....OH LOOK another smite. my smite counter goes up, for NO reason......i still havent hit my target of 20 smites.....personally id like to see the smite, karma thing removed....its so stupid....too many babies/keyboard warriors and way too many wise guys and not enough people doing what the forums designed for. thats why i get fed up.
when a member can make 2 to 3 different accounts, just to look like more than 1 are testing negatively and just so they can give multiple smites is a forum flaw.....
how do i know for sure the smite thing is a bunch of BS is TAMINO got one. for what? a whining keyboard warrior
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 07:18 PM 2015
public claims? i wish. there are several people PMing me positive results but wont post
one persons said its because they dont want to deal with naysayers, only like minded people
anyway.....OH LOOK another smite. my smite counter goes up, for NO reason......i still havent hit my target of 20 smites.....personally id like to see the smite, karma thing removed....its so stupid....too many babies/keyboard warriors and way too many wise guys and not enough people doing what the forums designed for. thats why i get fed up.
when a member can make 2 to 3 different accounts, just to look like more than 1 are testing negatively and just so they can give multiple smites is a forum flaw.....
........remember........some people hated
Conor McGregor before the Aldo fight..............and now 3 winners called him out after Saturday's fights.
His response...........
"Line them up on their knees with their hands out. I want them to beg me." It's good to be King!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 22, 07:27 PM 2015
........remember........some people hated Conor McGregor before the Aldo fight..............and now 3 winners called him out after Saturday's fights.
His response...........
"Line them up on their knees with their hands out. I want them to beg me."
It's good to be King!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
i love that guy
prime example of loving haters
speaking of connor, watch this and try not to pi** yourself
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7r-DwtjD8 (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7r-DwtjD8)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 07:24 PM 2015
how do i know for sure the smite thing is a bunch of BS is TAMINO got one. for what? a whining keyboard warrior
I invite everyone to smite me, who cares? I'm not here to make friends.
My job is to kick some casino a**, nothing more.
Make my sacrifices with this game mean something !!
Pay bills, have some Asian fun, do some home testing, eat steak, post when I can and dont take crap from others. I'm number one and that's that.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 22, 07:41 PM 2015
Pay bills, have some Asian fun, do some home testing, eat steak, post when I can and dont take crap from others. I'm number one and that's that.
Ken
well. cant argue with that. at all.
Off the top of my head. If I am wrong, correct me.
Original by OneTasteBet against 123 in mini games of 3. on any win sit out and wait for the spins to expire then go again
Tweak By RayManzBet against previous 3 when unique
Tweak By TheLawbet against previous 3, moving target. bet against 1 sequence, then the next, etc
123
213
312
231
321
Tweak By Noreilles Bet against previous 3 when unique on dozens and columns, then immediately after on the opposite. example. if unique dozen sequence comes up such as 231, we will bet against 231 then the next mini game bet against column formation B (2), C (3), A (1) and vice versa, see raymanz tweak thread for this amazing success story
231 occured. bet against 231. On any win sit out let the 3 spins expire then bet against BCA column formation from occuring
Tweak By DenzieIF 21 happens bet 2 and 1 ONCE. IF 22 happens bet 2 and dozen of your choice. Mini games of 3
Tweak By RouletteGhost (THE ABSOLUTE BEST, just kidding, it isn't)Bet against a unique formation from occuring only when the 1st 2 in a mini game are unique
Triggers are:
12 then bet 12
13 then bet 13
21 then bet 21
23 then bet 23
31 then bet 31
32 then bet 32
AMK way from long time ago which is close to grassroots ideasbet against the OPPOSITE of the previous 4. if 3121 bet against 1213
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my brain is hurting meTHIS is how it is done.
If I am missing one, which I probably am, do not be offended. This was all off the top of my head.
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QuoteTheLaw
as well as an update on the method with all current tweaks.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 22, 04:32 PM 2015
For those who interested. ....my flat tweak performing very good.
Just try it
Can you show an example? I didn't do exhaustive tests, but the way
I see it, if you play 3 spin sessions then many of them will have a loss
on the 1st and/or 2nd spin, losing 2-4 units even if you will the last one.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 22, 08:47 PM 2015
Can you show an example? I didn't do exhaustive tests, but the way
I see it, if you play 3 spin sessions then many of them will have a loss
on the 1st and/or 2nd spin, losing 2-4 units even if you will the last one.
denzies tweak is 3rd spin only. bet the 3rd spin only. then sit out next 2 spins. then go again
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 06:26 PM 2015
I can say ive been there
Having solid strategies before fail
I spend 99 percent time testing 1 percent playing
Ive played with this grassroots crap now for many thousands of spins and its very good. Real wheel spins. No rng (sorry notto), and no 1 million spins. Real world celtic live wheel spins and zumma
But im still nervous to go in
When i won 7 units ($70) 3 of the bets won on attempt 3. Nerve racking
If i had to goto war with roulette, this would be my special forces
What is grassroots craps?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 06:53 PM 2015
$10 chips. 100 units
Or i can deposit to 5 dimes and play $1 chips
Hey RG. Earlier I asked about the specifics of what you settle on
for a method of playing this from your testing. You said you were
at work and would explain it later. Could you do that now?
Thanks
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 22, 09:12 PM 2015
Hey RG. Earlier I asked about the specifics of what you settle on
for a method of playing this from your testing. You said you were
at work and would explain it later. Could you do that now?
Thanks
all the variations are pretty good
i like betting against previous 3 when unique
triggers:
123
132
213
231
312
321
any of those appear bet against them...its slow
nick the greek suggested betting against a unique when it comes, then continue to bet against it in mini games of 3 until a new trigger shows
that is my #1 idea right now
ultimately id play them 1 after the other all then hit and run....
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 08:50 PM 2015
denzies tweak is 3rd spin only. bet the 3rd spin only. then sit out next 2 spins. then go again
I was asking how YOU had tested it and had it ready to play (you only
played once) and how you bet. flat. Progression. And if so, what
progression?
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 22, 09:24 PM 2015
I was asking how YOU had tested it and had it ready to play (you only
played once) and how you bet. flat. Progression. And if so, what
progression?
i have thousands of spins in testing charts in this thread and in the raymanz tweak thread
139 progression
i tested it ALLLLL ways and posted the charts here
testing against 3 when unique is ALMOST bullet proof.....
this method(s) is NOT for math guys who think roulette is unbeatable. it is not for people who believe in AP. and it is not for people who think there is no benefit because it is the same as betting any 2 dozens.
i dont know how else to answer your question
the thread is long but if u want to see tests theres a lot
im just gonna leave this rigggghhhhht here. but of course we'd bet the OPPOSITE as AMK suggests
link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1617&forum=Roulette_Archive_2005 (link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1617&forum=Roulette_Archive_2005)
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 22, 05:26 PM 2015
If you don't want to flat bet then here's a thought.
You bet like denize described but here's the tweak:
2 3 bet 2 3 with 1 unit on each dozen (plus insurance)
1 come up so we got 2 3 1, that's a loss.
next dozen,
2 1 bet 2 1 with 3 unit on each dozen (plus insurance)
3 come up so we got 2 1 3, another loss.
next dozen,
1 2 bet 1 2 with 6 unit (or 3 or 9) on each dozen (plus insurance)
1 come up so we got 1 2 1, that's a win.
3 unique dozen come up rarely but it happens from time to time. but how often have you guys seen 3 in a row?
Just a thought.
Very good tweak. But then I would use the parlay for double dozens. If you should hit that rare loss....well it's just peanuts then.
Good thinking mate :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Dec 23, 05:37 AM 2015
Very good tweak. But then I would use the parlay for double dozens. If you should hit that rare loss....well it's just peanuts then.
Good thinking mate :thumbsup:
This is exactly how ive been testing this tweak. Works very well
One problem. Triggers can take time
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 08:03 PM 2015
Off the top of my head. If I am wrong, correct me.
Original by OneTaste
Bet against 123 in mini games of 3. on any win sit out and wait for the spins to expire then go again
Tweak By RayManz
Bet against previous 3 when unique
Tweak By TheLaw
bet against previous 3, moving target. bet against 1 sequence, then the next, etc
123
213
312
231
321
Tweak By Noreilles
Bet against previous 3 when unique on dozens and columns, then immediately after on the opposite. example. if unique dozen sequence comes up such as 231, we will bet against 231 then the next mini game bet against column formation B (2), C (3), A (1) and vice versa, see raymanz tweak thread for this amazing success story
231 occured. bet against 231. On any win sit out let the 3 spins expire then bet against BCA column formation from occuring
Tweak By Denzie
IF 21 happens bet 2 and 1 ONCE. IF 22 happens bet 2 and dozen of your choice. Mini games of 3
Tweak By RouletteGhost (THE ABSOLUTE BEST, just kidding, it isn't)
Bet against a unique formation from occuring only when the 1st 2 in a mini game are unique
Triggers are:
12 then bet 12
13 then bet 13
21 then bet 21
23 then bet 23
31 then bet 31
32 then bet 32
AMK way from long time ago which is close to grassroots ideas
bet against the OPPOSITE of the previous 4. if 3121 bet against 1213
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my brain is hurting me
THIS is how it is done.
If I am missing one, which I probably am, do not be offended. This was all off the top of my head.
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Forgot this one
Tweak By Nick-The-GreekWhen a unique dozen formation shows, bet against it in mini games of 3. Sit out on a win until mini game expires. Then begin again. Same as raymanz tweak but we dont stop. We keep going with that trigger.
Play against that unique dozen formation until a new one appears, then bet against that one continuously until a new one appears.
I like this one. Less waiting. Win goal faster
Last day of work. 4 day weekend. Yes.
Thanks for the mention RG.
Nick
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 23, 06:46 AM 2015
Forgot this one
Tweak By Nick-The-Greek
When a unique dozen formation shows, bet against it in mini games of 3. Sit out on a win until mini game expires. Then begin again. Same as raymanz tweak but we dont stop. We keep going with that trigger.
Play against that unique dozen formation until a new one appears, then bet against that one continuously until a new one appears.
I like this one. Less waiting. Win goal faster
Last day of work. 4 day weekend. Yes.
Is it CASINO TIME??????
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 23, 10:23 AM 2015
Is it CASINO TIME??????
Will probably make my way to some airball at resorts world. 20 minite to 30 minute drive depending on JFK airport traffic
Ive yet to try the steakhouse there. Maybe ill treat myself. Win 7 units. Go eat. Then win another 7 units like last time
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 23, 06:41 AM 2015
This is exactly how ive been testing this tweak. Works very well
One problem. Triggers can take time
Huh? Why? We bet every 3th spin. On a loss he goes in the progression.
Or as I would do it with parlay. ..
These probably the best way to play it. I find it very hard to lose. Very very hard.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 23, 11:10 AM 2015
Huh? Why? We bet every 3th spin. On a loss he goes in the progression.
Or as I would do it with parlay. ..
These probably the best way to play it. I find it very hard to lose. Very very hard.
I meant waiting 2 uniques then betting 3rd spin can take time
Your way is every 3 spins. I got confused for a second
Your way:
12 bet 12
22 bet 2 and dozen or you choice
13 bet 13
Etc?
Correct.
And...
2 0 bet 2 and choose one
All flat. But a few parlay and reset to 1u works great too. 1-1 win ...2-2 win ...3-3 win and reset to 1-1.
Up to each preference.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 09:18 PM 2015
all the variations are pretty good
i like betting against previous 3 when unique
triggers:
123
132
213
231
312
321
any of those appear bet against them...its slow
nick the greek suggested betting against a unique when it comes, then continue to bet against it in mini games of 3 until a new trigger shows
that is my #1 idea right now
ultimately id play them 1 after the other all then hit and run....
I was looking at this idea, and it almost begs to consider betting
the single dozen that MATCH the pattern. Way easier on the bank
and nerves...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 09:27 PM 2015
i have thousands of spins in testing charts in this thread and in the raymanz tweak thread
139 progression
i tested it ALLLLL ways and posted the charts here
testing against 3 when unique is ALMOST bullet proof.....
this method(s) is NOT for math guys who think roulette is unbeatable. it is not for people who believe in AP. and it is not for people who think there is no benefit because it is the same as betting any 2 dozens.
i dont know how else to answer your question
the thread is long but if u want to see tests theres a lot
RG, the ideas in this (and other threads) have been all over the place.
Can I encourage you to give more detail than "the raymanz tweak thread
", or even post links when you do?
Quite often I, and other posters are looking for complete thought packages
that we don't have to spend 15 minutes researching, if it all doesn't
come to mind. It would be helpful.
Thanks
scroll 10 posts up from this very post
and your idea has merit
bet the 3rd spin only when the other 2 are unique that the 3rd will be unique
single dozen progression
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 23, 06:42 PM 2015
RG, the ideas in this (and other threads) have been all over the place.
Can I encourage you to give more detail than "the raymanz tweak thread
", or even post links when you do?
Quite often I, and other posters are looking for complete thought packages
that we don't have to spend 15 minutes researching, if it all doesn't
come to mind. It would be helpful.
Thanks
Even though I would not play this, I do agree. My idea..... RG could start a new thread, posting the rock solid rules and any of the variations. After that, myself or any mod can then LOCK it. That way, it doesn't get like 30 pages out of control or something?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 23, 06:47 PM 2015
Even though I would not play this, I do agree. My idea..... RG could start a new thread, posting the rock solid rules and any of the variations. After that, myself or any mod can then LOCK it. That way, it doesn't get like 30 pages out of control or something?
Ken
im not going to do it now. this weekend ill make a very nice thing that you can lock....but my posts 11 UP is not good enough?
merry xmas ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 23, 06:41 AM 2015
This is exactly how ive been testing this tweak. Works very well
One problem. Triggers can take time
And actually, as I'm thinking about it, seeing failures on this
trigger CREATES the trigger for the earlier patterns of 3
unique results. So there you go. Lead from one right into
the next.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 23, 06:49 PM 2015
And actually, as I'm thinking about it, seeing failures on this
trigger CREATES the trigger for the earlier patterns of 3
unique results. So there you go. Lead from one right into
the next.
i said that weeks ago haha
if you say one fails then the other cannot fail.......good all around
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 23, 06:48 PM 2015
im not going to do it now. this weekend ill make a very nice thing that you can lock....but my posts 11 UP is not good enough?
merry xmas ken
No thats cool, just trying to help out.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 23, 06:51 PM 2015
No thats cool, just trying to help out.
Ken
i agree with a new topic of rules....but for ALL please see reply #961
Quote from: denzie on Dec 23, 11:10 AM 2015
Huh? Why? We bet every 3th spin. On a loss he goes in the progression.
Or as I would do it with parlay. ..
These probably the best way to play it. I find it very hard to lose. Very very hard.
I don't get this "bet every 3rd spin" thing. Seems like BS to me.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 23, 06:54 PM 2015
I don't get this "bet every 3rd spin" thing. Seems like BS to me.
what do you mean?
you said bet for the 3rd to be unique right?
so in mini games of 3 bet 3rd spin......??????
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 23, 06:48 PM 2015
im not going to do it now. this weekend ill make a very nice thing that you can lock....but my posts 11 UP is not good enough?
merry xmas ken
RG I think that the post, 11 up, is a good attempt at a summary. But it
is a collection of all the ideas. It certainly is good.
My mind is drawn back to what I said about using it to bet
the single dozen (2-1) in this patterns as strong. You certainly
aren't getting out of control with it like a double dozen.
bottom line is this.
i have done more explaining of grassroots and its tweaks then anyone has in the history of this board for any method. to the point that people have said enough is enough and want me to shut the hell up.
i have explained rules. tested until my eyeballs bled. i think i need a new keyboard because the keys " 1, 2, and 3" are worn out
see post reply # 961
i have done a lot..... read the raymanz tweak thread in notepad
READ Noreilles story on page 5!!
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 23, 07:00 PM 2015
RG I think that the post, 11 up, is a good attempt at a summary. But it
is a collection of all the ideas. It certainly is good.
My mind is drawn back to what I said about using it to bet
the single dozen (2-1) in this patterns as strong. You certainly
aren't getting out of control with it like a double dozen.
if that tweak is something you want to test and you like and it works for you then awesome
i tested that exact tweak that you just explained with success...it works
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 23, 06:54 PM 2015
I don't get this "bet every 3rd spin" thing. Seems like BS to me.
First you better read the thread so you not need to ask all these questions. Second you should try this BS and see how it wins flatbet.
And there's no difficult math involved . So everyone understand.
Open your eyes...and see how long you need to wait for a unique minigame. It's long? Yep , so you know what to do.
Read first...then try...then ask in that order.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 23, 07:02 PM 2015
if that tweak is something you want to test and you like and it works for you then awesome
i tested that exact tweak that you just explained with success...it works
Niiiiiiiiccccee!!!! Thank you for your work and confirmation....
More stuff to stare at at 2AM with blood shod eyes.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 23, 07:04 PM 2015
First you better read the thread so you not need to ask all these questions. Second you should try this BS and see how it wins flatbet.
And there's no difficult math involved . So everyone understand.
Open your eyes...and see how long you need to wait for a unique minigame. It's long? Yep , so you know what to do.
Read first...then try...then ask in that order.
Yes sir.
I will only say that, once is a while, you can look at the same thing,
like the negative of a picture and not recognize it. That is what
I was doing.
I will write that 100 zillion times, like the magician on "frosty the snowman"
to get off the naughty list.
Did great with denzie's method, but with a new type of progression I must test more with before I post about it. It could be a little grindy if you have several losses in a row but not much, just little. And several losses in a row rarely happens with grassroots. Just a chart for now.
Merry christmas!
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 23, 08:01 PM 2015
Did great with denzie's method, but with a new type of progression I must test more with before I post about it. It could be a little grindy if you have several losses in a row but not much, just little. And several losses in a row rarely happens with grassroots. Just a chart for now.
Merry christmas!
Results are as expected
Merry christmas celes
How are you playing?
Only when unique?
Or
12 bet 12
22 bet 2 and dozen of your choice?
Good progression by the way
The double dozen drawdown in your graph is minimal
Good job utilizing a progression that wipes roulettes face on the floor
I do not believe and will never belive when people say progressions are useless
For the progression guys ONLY who are currently playing this
Progression idea:
1 3 3
Any win there stay at that level
Lose all 3? Aw shucks
Now goto
3 9 27
Stay there until even. Will take 5 mini games to get even
Lose both? Well damn thats 1 in a few thousand
How to avoid?
Play more than 1 tweak
Against 123
Against previous 3
Denzies tweak.
REPEAT
The basic run of the mill progression is tough cause we arent betting every spin.
Have to get aggressive
Roulette is aggressive
Mini games of 3. Not rolling. Use chart like ive posted
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 23, 08:08 PM 2015
Results are as expected
Merry christmas celes
How are you playing?
Only when unique?
Or
12 bet 12
22 bet 2 and dozen of your choice?
I did a little different and not bet on 22 11 33 00 only bet on 12 13 21 23 31 32 with a little different labouchere. It works really well since i'm only bet on the last bet and since grassroot has many wins in a row i don't have to grind very often. I will post how i do it if further test is successful.
OK. So I made the whimsical, but true comment a few posts ago about
how we can get confused looking at something, like looking at the negative
of a picture. I remember decades ago talking to someone online
(Jim Ferr if you know him) about a method of selecting bets. It looked
like Einsteins theory. "Go back to this, step forward, add 2" Whatever.
After presenting this to him at one point he responded, "isn't that just
playing the "next to last decision"?
It was.
So we have....
Tweak By RouletteGhost (THE ABSOLUTE BEST, just kidding, it isn't)
Bet against a unique formation from occuring only when the 1st 2 in a mini game are unique
Triggers are:
12 then bet 12
13 then bet 13
21 then bet 21
23 then bet 23
31 then bet 31
32 then bet 32
All this is, is playing 2 dozen by playing the "last two dozen".
This is no comment or slam against you, RG. I was eating this up.
Then last night, in bed, I thought of this.
The reason it is a problem is the fact that my last BIG TEAR where
I actually went to the casino once a day to test it (now it's 3 exits down)
I thought that *I* found the holy grail.
And I was winning (on paper) handily. I was playing a labby. For a half
hour on paper. And after 5-10 quite nice sessions it went sour. And the
interesting thing was that it went CONSISTANTLY sour for 3 trips.
In a big way. And really burst my bubble. This was early fall.
Since then I had an ankle operation on Oct 9th and am still non weight
bearing. So I'm here all the time.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 24, 10:02 AM 2015
OK. So I made the whimsical, but true comment a few posts ago about
how we can get confused looking at something, like looking at the negative
of a picture. I remember decades ago talking to someone online
(Jim Ferr if you know him) about a method of selecting bets. It looked
like Einsteins theory. "Go back to this, step forward, add 2" Whatever.
After presenting this to him at one point he responded, "isn't that just
playing the "next to last decision"?
It was.
So we have....
Tweak By RouletteGhost (THE ABSOLUTE BEST, just kidding, it isn't)
Bet against a unique formation from occuring only when the 1st 2 in a mini game are unique
Triggers are:
12 then bet 12
13 then bet 13
21 then bet 21
23 then bet 23
31 then bet 31
32 then bet 32
All this is, is playing 2 dozen by playing the "last two dozen".
This is no comment or slam against you, RG. I was eating this up.
Then last night, in bed, I thought of this.
The reason it is a problem is the fact that my last BIG TEAR where
I actually went to the casino once a day to test it (now it's 3 exits down)
I thought that *I* found the holy grail.
And I was winning (on paper) handily. I was playing a labby. For a half
hour on paper. And after 5-10 quite nice sessions it went sour. And the
interesting thing was that it went CONSISTANTLY sour for 3 trips.
In a big way. And really burst my bubble. This was early fall.
Since then I had an ankle operation on Oct 9th and am still non weight
bearing. So I'm here all the time.
any method can go sour
this is not just betting the previous 2 dozens.
this is playing the previous 2 dozens ONLY when unique in mini games of 3
no 22 33 11 etc
we see a straight unique about 5 mini games per 100 spins
afterall, if this was a HUGE failure THEN betting AGAINST uniques would be the way to go wouldnt it? (as in the original 123)
if betting that the unique will not finish of
12
13
21
23
31
32
then betting against the uniques would win
here is a short test, if u see a color thats a trigger. red loss, green win
Celescliff is this how you played? see chart
RG
just posted in a couple of posts the recording did in corals using AMK method but over 3 spins. Very successful
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 24, 10:11 AM 2015
RG
just posted in a couple of posts the recording did in corals using AMK method but over 3 spins. Very successful
AMK way does good with 3 spins. its the same as betting against previous 3. heres a chart i tested on that
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 24, 10:05 AM 2015
any method can go sour
this is not just betting the previous 2 dozens.
this is playing the previous 2 dozens ONLY when unique in mini games of 3
no 22 33 11 etc
we see a straight unique about 5 mini games per 100 spins
afterall, if this was a HUGE failure THEN betting AGAINST uniques would be the way to go wouldnt it? (as in the original 123)
if betting that the unique will not finish of
12
13
21
23
31
32
then betting against the uniques would win
here is a short test, if u see a color thats a trigger. red loss, green win
Celescliff is this how you played? see chart
1) First of all I find these charts that get created a little confusing.
I could just be inept. When I was looking back at your old posts.
I THINK that A and B are the 1st two of the 3.
2) Not sure I see the exact value of constructing it in the group of
3's. I could say the obvious that it doesn't matter statistically.
And I could be wrong. I'll look some more.
But like I said, I was on a TEAR for a week. Then it went south.
And the Important part of that story is the thing went CONSISTANTLY
bad for 3 days. What a killer.
3) I really enjoy this approach and am enjoying working on it with
everyone. I still am going to look closer at the idea of betting on dozen
the way we talked about.
4) Looks like everyone has the day off. I have EVERY day off :-\ :-[
Have a merry and happy and great Christmas everyone.
And more importantly a happy and PROSPEROUS new year.
"live long and prosper"..
"me and mine........ you and yours".
Im out for the day
Last minute shopping
Then calamari, scallops and other fish on the christmas eve menu
Merry xmas everyone
I'll spend Christmas the same way as every past one.....testing roulette methods at home!!
I love it.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 24, 12:31 PM 2015
I'll spend Christmas the same way as every past one.....testing roulette methods at home!!
I love it.
Ken
my families italian, so they wont stand for that LOL
The highest I got at Celtic Casino was 18K (fun money). Remember, they start you out with 1K.
Ken
Almost family time. Wanted to make one more post
For those of you who are testing the different grassroots variations by now you know how powerful it can be. Whether its the original or any of its tweaks
I will say why i think that is
Well, for one we have a 66% chance of winning every spin. Does not change everytime we bet. Past spins have no effect
So why are those testing having such good results?
I have a theory
Roulette is random. Its hard for the wheel to spit out a set pattern time after time after time
123 123 123 has the same chance as happening everytime but will it? No
We are betting against a fixed sequence, which is beneficial when you are at war with random
Will it lose. Yes. Will you win more then lose. Yes.
What i think is happening is we have a 66% chance of winning every spin BUT we are combining that with betting against fixed patterns. Whether it be denzies tweak or any of them.
So the 66% is coupled with the fact the wheel will not spit out the same fixed pattern everytime. Which i think raises from 66% but thats debatable.
Thats why its successful
After the holiday i will test AMK. Even i will not play 1 3 9 27 but i will see what i can do with it
When your chances are more then half and you have the bankroll and you have fixed patterns on YOUR side you wil prevail, i believe
Dont use 139. Use something that you personally are comfortable with
For me thats 1 3 9 then 3 9 27 for recovery. But never just 1 3 9 27. GLC is the man for that department
So to recap why i think people are seeing success: 66% chance COUPLED with the fact the wheel will not spit out fixed patterns
You dont have to agree. This is directed to those playing it.
Rich
P.s. want to add. We arent betting every spin either. Mini games of 3 spins. Win on spin 1 or 2? Wait for that 3 spin sequence to finish before beginning again? Win at spin 2 sit out next spin. You get the idea. Also depends on your trigger and style. Rolling basis is a no no slap on da wrist
1
2 win
3 sit out
1 win
2 sit out
3 sit out
1
2 win
3 sit out
Well said.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 24, 10:05 AM 2015
Celescliff is this how you played? see chart
That's how I play it. And with the way I bet after loss, I would be in profit looking at that chart. :thumbsup:
Sometime you can wait a while for a trigger but not for too long. I'm thinking about adding columns aswell for more triggers.
New chart played with same rules. Like I said, it could be a little grindy, but this is a glimpse of grassroots true potential that you can come back even when on a loosing streak. This chart would have looked better if i followed denzie's rules completley. I will test this with the other rules applied, to bet on 11 22 33 00 aswell. But overall, even at -30, +305 units. :thumbsup:
Celescliff,
I LOVE seeing that. I dont know how people do not see the light here
"This is a glimpse of grassroots true potential"
Im 8 beers in buddy merry christmas!
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 24, 07:43 PM 2015
New chart played with same rules. Like I said, it could be a little grindy, but this is a glimpse of grassroots true potential that you can come back even when on a loosing streak. This chart would have looked better if i followed denzie's rules completley. I will test this with the other rules applied, to bet on 11 22 33 00 aswell. But overall, even at -30, +305 units. :thumbsup:
So a total of -200+ draw-down.........so maybe a stop-loss or win of 300 units? :question:
Also, this would probably not be classified as a grinder method, as it produces roughly 1 unit per spin with a reasonable bank. Most grinder methods that I have seen posted produce a few units per hour.
Thanks so much for the graphs...........
remember, graphs carry a huge amount of weight on these boards.........keep up the great work! :thumbsup:
"as it produces roughly 1 unit per spin" >> Is that 1 unit per spin PLAYED or 1 unit per spin overall?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 25, 04:24 PM 2015
"as it produces roughly 1 unit per spin" >> Is that 1 unit per spin PLAYED or 1 unit per spin overall?
Ken
I assume overall :ooh:(just going from chart above +300 units in 350 spins)
A bit of a grind. Maybe
Easily remedied by increased chip amounts. Play with 25 win a few leave
So solid at this point who cares. Guaranteed loot.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 25, 01:47 PM 2015
Thanks so much for the graphs...........remember, graphs carry a huge amount of weight on these boards.........keep up the great work! :thumbsup:
Courtesy of Raymanz and normy2000 from beginnig of thread
QuoteWhy not bet for the last combo not to repeat with your 1 3 9 progression?
123
132
213
231
312
321
Wait for this to happen. Then bet against it with 1 3 9 progression. Less waiting and in theory the same results as 123.
What amazes me is all the graphs of people testing head north eastward. NONE trend south
:)
Thats why for any new readers its important to test yourself
Ok, three more before i go to bed.
The first uses the same spins as the second graph I uploaded, but with columns added, so more bets on that one.
The second and third graph follows denzies rules, but with the "progression" I use. Will upload some longer sessions later on.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 25, 10:19 PM 2015
Ok, three more before i go to bed.
The first uses the same spins as the second graph I uploaded, but with columns added, so more bets on that one.
The second and third graph follows denzies rules, but with the "progression" I use. Will upload some longer sessions later on.
What were you playing on first one?
And with denzies unique only or did 22 qualify?
Thanks
P.s. good one denzie
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 25, 10:23 PM 2015
What were you playing on first one?
And with denzies unique only or did 22 qualify?
Thanks
P.s. good one denzie
The first one I played dozen and columns but only 12 13 21 23 31 32.
The other two was denzie's rule completley. In other words like the first graph but including 11 22 33 00 aswell but without columns.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 25, 10:29 PM 2015
The first one I played dozen and columns but only 12 13 21 23 31 32.
The other two was denzie's rule completley. In other words like the first graph but including 11 22 33 00 aswell but without columns.
Wow. Wasnt expecting that. 1St graph looks like many uniques occured on columns. Something to think about
Looks like denzies idea isnt too shabby
;)
Hello everyone!!
I have been lurking on this board for a while now. And I have found that this is an amazing community!!
I am not a big roulette enthusiast. I am more trying to find the Holy Grail on the Baccarat table.
But the Grassroot thread really got my attention. And I would like to contribute little bit about it.
I have been playing the Raymanz Tweek for a few days and I am 67 units over. Its the first method yet that has brought me steady profit.
I play online on a site that offers many tables, so after a win, I switch tables. I dont know if it really change something but….
I have read the entire thread, but I dont think that this has been thought of.
I was wondering something, according to Normy2000:
“A combo of 3 to repeat append aprox. every 2130 spins.
There is 9 of them, 2130/9 = 236.6 spins.â€
Example:
123 123
321 321
etc…
I was wondering, what are the odds of 3 times of them happening:
123 123 123
321 321 321
etc…
What is the odds of ANY 3 dozens happening 3 times? Like:
222 222 222
133 133 133
321 321 321
112 112 112
333 333 333
etc…
What if we would wait for two sets of 3 same and then bet BIG against the set happening a third time?
I know it can be a little long to wait but for those of us who plays online, you can do something else at the same time.
In one of the game I played lately, there was this suite: 223 223 and then 212.
Just my little contribution.
Simon.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 24, 10:11 AM 2015
RG
just posted in a couple of posts the recording did in corals using AMK method but over 3 spins. Very successful
What's "AMK"?
AMK? Could be the opposite of BNL.
Quote from: Tamino on Dec 26, 10:16 AM 2015
AMK? Could be the opposite of BNL.
LOL
AMK is a member.
I was refering to AMK's opposite system
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 24, 12:31 PM 2015
I'll spend Christmas the same way as every past one.....testing roulette methods at home!!
I love it.
Ken
Sorry to hear that.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 26, 09:10 AM 2015
Hello everyone!!
I have been lurking on this board for a while now. And I have found that this is an amazing community!!
I am not a big roulette enthusiast. I am more trying to find the Holy Grail on the Baccarat table.
But the Grassroot thread really got my attention. And I would like to contribute little bit about it.
I have been playing the Raymanz Tweek for a few days and I am 67 units over. Its the first method yet that has brought me steady profit.
I play online on a site that offers many tables, so after a win, I switch tables. I dont know if it really change something but….
I have read the entire thread, but I dont think that this has been thought of.
I was wondering something, according to Normy2000:
“A combo of 3 to repeat append aprox. every 2130 spins.
There is 9 of them, 2130/9 = 236.6 spins.â€
Example:
123 123
321 321
etc…
I was wondering, what are the odds of 3 times of them happening:
123 123 123
321 321 321
etc…
What is the odds of ANY 3 dozens happening 3 times? Like:
222 222 222
133 133 133
321 321 321
112 112 112
333 333 333
etc…
What if we would wait for two sets of 3 same and then bet BIG against the set happening a third time?
I know it can be a little long to wait but for those of us who plays online, you can do something else at the same time.
In one of the game I played lately, there was this suite: 223 223 and then 212.
Just my little contribution.
Simon.
Welcome to the forum Simon
happy to hear of the success
raymanz tweak does take some time but it is a very nice way to make money. 67 units in a few days is amazing
what the math says is what I see. and this is also based on raymanz 66 thousand spin test
-there are 6 uniques 123 132 213 232 312 321
-you will see 5 to 6 uniques per 100 spins'
-you will see each unique repeat ex. 123123 every 2200 spins
-divide 2200 spin by 6 different uniques, expect a unique to repeat one time every 350 spins on average
these are statistics. so we might see 3 uniques repeat quickly, or we may never see it, or it might happen right on time. no telling with roulette
system requirement: insurance on 0, enjoy playing 24 numbers, have no problem with progression. LOL. so many people are disqualified off the bat
if you waited for a unique to repeat ex. 123123 or 231231 then went big you would PROBABLY win. If you played roulette for a living and waited all day for it and went big then it may work.
i am not sure how often a unique repeats 3 times in a row, but i have NOT seen it. one member saw 123 123 103. CLOSE, but no cigar, MUST bet 0
how did you play raymanz tweak? wait for a unique 3 then bet against? dozens only or columns to?
"Its the first method yet that has brought me steady profit." same here in my tests
I am trying to get more bets in rather then wait for the unique. Nick thegreek tweaked it where when you see a unique, play against that unique in each mini game continuously until a new unique trigger shows then play that one.
I myself have thought of betting against any dozen formation that repeats whether it is unique or not while waiting for the unique trigger
thanks and welcome
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 26, 10:58 AM 2015
Sorry to hear that.
Nope, I got a TON of roulette items taken care of. Not to mention, another movie of course.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 26, 11:22 AM 2015
Nope, I got a TON of roulette items taken care of. Not to mention, another movie of course.
Ken
i just got the harry potter set. watched first one last night. im behind
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 24, 03:45 PM 2015
Almost family time. Wanted to make one more post
For those of you who are testing the different grassroots variations by now you know how powerful it can be. Whether its the original or any of its tweaks
I will say why i think that is
Well, for one we have a 66% chance of winning every spin. Does not change everytime we bet. Past spins have no effect
So why are those testing having such good results?
I have a theory
Roulette is random. Its hard for the wheel to spit out a set pattern time after time after time
123 123 123 has the same chance as happening everytime but will it? No
We are betting against a fixed sequence, which is beneficial when you are at war with random
Will it lose. Yes. Will you win more then lose. Yes.
What i think is happening is we have a 66% chance of winning every spin BUT we are combining that with betting against fixed patterns. Whether it be denzies tweak or any of them.
So the 66% is coupled with the fact the wheel will not spit out the same fixed pattern everytime. Which i think raises from 66% but thats debatable.
Thats why its successful
After the holiday i will test AMK. Even i will not play 1 3 9 27 but i will see what i can do with it
When your chances are more then half and you have the bankroll and you have fixed patterns on YOUR side you wil prevail, i believe
Dont use 139. Use something that you personally are comfortable with
For me thats 1 3 9 then 3 9 27 for recovery. But never just 1 3 9 27. GLC is the man for that department
So to recap why i think people are seeing success: 66% chance COUPLED with the fact the wheel will not spit out fixed patterns
You dont have to agree. This is directed to those playing it.
Rich
P.s. want to add. We arent betting every spin either. Mini games of 3 spins. Win on spin 1 or 2? Wait for that 3 spin sequence to finish before beginning again? Win at spin 2 sit out next spin. You get the idea. Also depends on your trigger and style. Rolling basis is a no no slap on da wrist
1
2 win
3 sit out
1 win
2 sit out
3 sit out
1
2 win
3 sit out
Before you get too excited about winning 66% of the time, remember,
you lose twice as much on a loss. Please review my earlier post about
my experience. Not with this specifically, but playing variations of "last two",
and using a labby. Worked magically like I'm reading here. Then failed.
3 consecutive times. THAT was the rub. The consecutive times after
being on a pink cloud. Makes me not so sorry I kept testing it before
real play. Cause progression losses in this league can be devastating.
Can I ask a simple point of clarification? The terminology here gets
a little mixed up.
Please remind me exactly of what the "classic grass roots" method is.
Which variant (or not) exactly.
Also, what "AMK" means.....
Thanks
@celescliff. ...what is that progression?
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 26, 12:33 PM 2015
Before you get too excited about winning 66% of the time, remember,
you lose twice as much on a loss. Please review my earlier post about
my experience. Not with this specifically, but playing variations of "last two",
and using a labby. Worked magically like I'm reading here. Then failed.
3 consecutive times. THAT was the rub. The consecutive times after
being on a pink cloud. Makes me not so sorry I kept testing it before
real play. Cause progression losses in this league can be devastating.
Can I ask a simple point of clarification? The terminology here gets
a little mixed up.
Please remind me exactly of what the "classic grass roots" method is.
Which variant (or not) exactly.
Also, what "AMK" means.....
Thanks
norielles is pretty far up read his story in raymanz thread. now go one page back and read what simon has to say. you have norielles and simon with the same success story playing raymaz tweak
goto page 1 and read the original
AMK - previous 4 then bet against the opposite
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 26, 09:10 AM 2015
Hello everyone!!
I have been lurking on this board for a while now. And I have found that this is an amazing community!!
I am not a big roulette enthusiast. I am more trying to find the Holy Grail on the Baccarat table.
But the Grassroot thread really got my attention. And I would like to contribute little bit about it.
I have been playing the Raymanz Tweek for a few days and I am 67 units over. Its the first method yet that has brought me steady profit.
I play online on a site that offers many tables, so after a win, I switch tables. I dont know if it really change something but….
I have read the entire thread, but I dont think that this has been thought of.
I was wondering something, according to Normy2000:
“A combo of 3 to repeat append aprox. every 2130 spins.
There is 9 of them, 2130/9 = 236.6 spins.â€
Example:
123 123
321 321
etc…
I was wondering, what are the odds of 3 times of them happening:
123 123 123
321 321 321
etc…
What is the odds of ANY 3 dozens happening 3 times? Like:
222 222 222
133 133 133
321 321 321
112 112 112
333 333 333
etc…
What if we would wait for two sets of 3 same and then bet BIG against the set happening a third time?
I know it can be a little long to wait but for those of us who plays online, you can do something else at the same time.
In one of the game I played lately, there was this suite: 223 223 and then 212.
Just my little contribution.
Simon.
im going to the casino tomorrow to play some $20 minimum airball....deciding what method to play, hit and run 123? denzies tweak? grind out raymanz way? i dunno
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 12:40 PM 2015
im going to the casino tomorrow to play some $20 minimum airball....deciding what method to play, hit and run 123? denzies tweak? grind out raymanz way? i dunno
What I make of this can of worms is from post #739.
Flat bet.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 26, 04:03 PM 2015
What I make of this can of worms is from post #739.
Flat bet.
739 is what i see every test
Page 50, just trying to help.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16172.735 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16172.735)
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 04:12 PM 2015
739 is what i see every test
Meaning that that is the core strategy? And the one you've tested most?
I also look at just betting single dozen being the same, also according to
the same setup of 3 rows. I have not done a lot of testing, but I would
suggest playing every spin til 3 losses in a row. Then wait to see one win
and continue to play every spin til 3 losses in a row.
You can me a lot more aggressive with a progression when you get
paid 2-1.
Just a thought.
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 26, 04:17 PM 2015
Page 50, just trying to help.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16172.735 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16172.735)
Ken
Which reply # or conversation?
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 26, 04:28 PM 2015
Which reply # or conversation?
he linked it because thats where post 739 is where celes did that test
Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.
see the attached chart
we are NOT betting every single spin
this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started
see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.
goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6
wherever you see a GREEN color we stop betting that row. yes a progression. a 139 progression. dont like it? well then maybe 1 3 3 and grind....either way this is a progression system and ive been saying maybe its not for everyone
when i played for real money i played 1 2 5 progression. that means in a mini game i only win spin 1, but less risk. i made 7 units in 1 hour. will i everytime? NO. i WILL lose. I REPEAT I WILL LOSE. but money management can be applied to such a sure fire system.
have the time? chillin at home nothing to do bored? play raymanz tweak. WAIT for a unique dozen pattern ( 123 132 213 231 312 321) and bet against it, have even more time to spare? wait for a unique to repeat THEN bet against it, then laugh all the way to the bank
everyone's different
if the strategy is not for you or you do not believe in progressions or triggers then MOVE ON. not you mogul, just in general
i expect more Simon to be joining in the coming days, at least I HOPE the lurkers come out.....
and mogul
AMK chimed in on the raymanz tweak thread
he said his strategy wins just as good
take last 4 dozens
3213
now bet against the opposite with 1 3 9 27
bet against 3123
any win sit out and wait for the 4 to expire, then site out the NEXT 4 and wait for another 4 dozend to come then bet against the opposite.
2213
bet against
3122
2
2
1
3
----
bet against
3
1 - win here
2 -sit out
2 - sit out
------
2 - sit out
2 - sit out
2 - sit out
3 - sit out
-------
bet against
3
2
2
2
when you do not play on a rolling basis and play in sets and sit out 1 set in between beautiful things happen
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 05:03 PM 2015
and mogul
AMK chimed in on the raymanz tweak thread
he said his strategy wins just as good
take last 4 dozens
3213
now bet against the opposite with 1 3 9 27
bet against 3123
any win sit out and wait for the 4 to expire, then site out the NEXT 4 and wait for another 4 dozend to come then bet against the opposite.
2213
bet against
3122
2
2
1
3
----
bet against
3
1 - win here
2 -sit out
2 - sit out
------
2 - sit out
2 - sit out
2 - sit out
3 - sit out
-------
bet against
3
2
2
2
when you do not play on a rolling basis and play in sets and sit out 1 set in between beautiful things happen
This sudden death Marti strategy is wayyyyy too risky............an absolute bankroll destroyer!!!
We've already seen several instances where an improbable pattern has popped-up..........why not stick to the more conservative bets??? :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 26, 05:10 PM 2015
This sudden death Marti strategy is wayyyyy too risky............an absolute bankroll destroyer!!!
We've already seen several instances where an improbable pattern has popped-up..........why not stick to the more conservative bets??? :question:
I Agree with You
Was just stating AMKs strategy
Much better MM can be used
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 04:40 PM 2015
Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.
see the attached chart
we are NOT betting every single spin
this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started
see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.
goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6
wherever you see a GREEN color we stop betting that row. yes a progression. a 139 progression. dont like it? well then maybe 1 3 3 and grind....either way this is a progression system and ive been saying maybe its not for everyone
when i played for real money i played 1 2 5 progression. that means in a mini game i only win spin 1, but less risk. i made 7 units in 1 hour. will i everytime? NO. i WILL lose. I REPEAT I WILL LOSE. but money management can be applied to such a sure fire system.
have the time? chillin at home nothing to do bored? play raymanz tweak. WAIT for a unique dozen pattern ( 123 132 213 231 312 321) and bet against it, have even more time to spare? wait for a unique to repeat THEN bet against it, then laugh all the way to the bank
everyone's different
if the strategy is not for you or you do not believe in progressions or triggers then MOVE ON. not you mogul, just in general
i expect more Simon to be joining in the coming days, at least I HOPE the lurkers come out.....
Well first of all when I look at the chart, unless my head is completely up my ass,
it is wrong. The first few green results are losses. If you are betting for the
opposite to come in.
The 739 post showed quite a good profit after flat betting. I disagree with you
that the progression is necessary. Not because of that. But when I get
philosophical about gambling and why/how we ALWAYS lose, one of
the couple reasons is that we chase losses HARD with progressions that
will eventually get us. And the thing about it is, that it's like a magnet.
Like some practical joke where you look one way and say "I won't do this or
that" and with the other hand just do it.
That's not to say that I'm against progressions. But the nature of the system
tells you what the system can bear. And to lay 1-2 odds and always try to
stay ahead or get out of a hole is suicide.
In all reality it's the money management that helps keep you alive. I gave my
real life example, on paper, of how it collapsed. I was sad that day. Thought
I was onto something.. And walked out saying, "oh well".
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 26, 06:20 PM 2015
Well first of all when I look at the chart, unless my head is completely up my ass,
it is wrong. The first few green results are losses.
No. Betting AGAINST 123. If you cant understand that someone else will have to explain it
Look at the chart again. Against 123. :yawn:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 04:40 PM 2015
Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.
see the attached chart
we are NOT betting every single spin
this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started
see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.
goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6
wherever you see a GREEN color we stop betting that row. yes a progression. a 139 progression. dont like it? well then maybe 1 3 3 and grind....either way this is a progression system and ive been saying maybe its not for everyone
when i played for real money i played 1 2 5 progression. that means in a mini game i only win spin 1, but less risk. i made 7 units in 1 hour. will i everytime? NO. i WILL lose. I REPEAT I WILL LOSE. but money management can be applied to such a sure fire system.
have the time? chillin at home nothing to do bored? play raymanz tweak. WAIT for a unique dozen pattern ( 123 132 213 231 312 321) and bet against it, have even more time to spare? wait for a unique to repeat THEN bet against it, then laugh all the way to the bank
everyone's different
if the strategy is not for you or you do not believe in progressions or triggers then MOVE ON. not you mogul, just in general
i expect more Simon to be joining in the coming days, at least I HOPE the lurkers come out.....
Mogul
Here again
See chart
AGAINST 123
"Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.
see the attached chart
we are NOT betting every single spin
this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started
see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.
goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6"
If i take the time out please read it.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 26, 12:36 PM 2015
@celescliff. ...what is that progression?
It's not really a progression, more of a target betting. It's a modified version of labouchere. I'm currently testing this so I will post all the detail how I bet if this is still successful. :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 06:37 PM 2015
Mogul
Here again
See chart
AGAINST 123
"Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.
see the attached chart
we are NOT betting every single spin
this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started
see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.
goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6"
If i take the time out please read it.
Another approach would be against 1-2-3 betting 1,2,3
Win on first = +01
Win on second = +00
Win on third = -03
Total loss = -12
More of a grind, but much safer. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
This was the worst so far, but it's understandable since I had many repeaters this time. More then I've seen before. (four repeaters in a row)
3 1 1
3 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 1
2 3 1 <
3 2 1 <
1 2 3 <
1 3 2 <
1 1 1
3 3 1
2 2 2
0 3 3
1 2 1
2 2 3
3 2 1 <
1 3 1
1 1 2
1 3 2 <
1 1 1
1 2 3 <
2 1 3 <
2 1 3 <
3 1 3
3 2 1 <
0 1 0
3 2 1 <
1 2 2
3 1 1
3 2 1 <
2 3 1 <
3 2 2
1 3 3
1 1 3
1 1 3
1 2 3 <
2 1 0
3 3 3
3 2 0
3 1 2 <
2 3 1 <
3 1 3
2 2 3
2 2 1
1 3 3
2 3 2
1 3 1
1 1 1
3 1 0
2 1 2
3 0 3
2 1 3 <
2 1 1
3 1 3
2 3 2
2 1 2
3 3 3
1 2 1
But atleast I pulled it through. :)
You guys just aint getting it. You were at -350 and you would of quit (as you should or even sooner?), which means, you would NOT of "pulled through".
In line with my 27 threads regarding testing.
You cant look at a chart *AFTERWARDS* and say....see, see this is great news !!
The chart (or testing) has to be in line with ACTUAL PLAYING CONDITIONS of what YOU WOULD DO IN *REAL* SITUATIONS OF PLAYING !!!!!!
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 26, 08:12 PM 2015
You guys just aint getting it. You were at -350 and you would of quit (as you should or even sooner?), which means, you would NOT of "pulled through".
In line with my 27 threads regarding testing.
You cant look at a chart *AFTERWARDS* and say....see, see this is great news !!
The chart (or testing) has to be in line with ACTUAL PLAYING CONDITIONS of what YOU WOULD DO IN *REAL* SITUATIONS OF PLAYING !!!!!!
Ken
Thats why i test only 75 spins. See chart
This is great for in and out
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 26, 07:53 PM 2015
This was the worst so far, but it's understandable since I had many repeaters this time. More then I've seen before. (four repeaters in a row)
3 1 1
3 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 1
2 3 1 <
3 2 1 <
1 2 3 <
1 3 2 <
1 1 1
3 3 1
2 2 2
0 3 3
1 2 1
2 2 3
3 2 1 <
1 3 1
1 1 2
1 3 2 <
1 1 1
1 2 3 <
2 1 3 <
2 1 3 <
3 1 3
3 2 1 <
0 1 0
3 2 1 <
1 2 2
3 1 1
3 2 1 <
2 3 1 <
3 2 2
1 3 3
1 1 3
1 1 3
1 2 3 <
2 1 0
3 3 3
3 2 0
3 1 2 <
2 3 1 <
3 1 3
2 2 3
2 2 1
1 3 3
2 3 2
1 3 1
1 1 1
3 1 0
2 1 2
3 0 3
2 1 3 <
2 1 1
3 1 3
2 3 2
2 1 2
3 3 3
1 2 1
But atleast I pulled it through. :)
Holy crap. So many uniques
Raymanz tweak went wild in a good way. !!
Bet against unique when it happens. ALWAYS
Betting against unique lost one time only. As expected.
Wherever you had the arrow. Money
213 repeated one time. Easily overcome
Row 6 id be done and out see ya lata alligater
Celes. Go back to page 50. Look at ur test
Decide if u liked playing that way.
Cause man, that was a solid tweak
Each and every mini game won
Max step in progression: 2
Put a note of humor on it
Now im no roulette expert. BUT if you go 75 spins with no loss id say hey thats a good system. Progression or not......(3 step progression)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 08:23 PM 2015
Celes. Go back to page 50. Look at ur test
Decide if u liked playing that way.
Cause man, that was a solid tweak
I really did, and I think I'm going to test it later on some more. :)
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 26, 08:12 PM 2015
You guys just aint getting it. You were at -350 and you would of quit (as you should or even sooner?), which means, you would NOT of "pulled through".
In line with my 27 threads regarding testing.
You cant look at a chart *AFTERWARDS* and say....see, see this is great news !!
The chart (or testing) has to be in line with ACTUAL PLAYING CONDITIONS of what YOU WOULD DO IN *REAL* SITUATIONS OF PLAYING !!!!!!
Ken
If I were to play for real then I would have quit ALOT sooner. I've been testing a target betting with this and I want to see if you could come back even if you have a very bad session such as this one. Also, I'm downloading my spins, and I use every spin in that file for that day. Do people really want to see how long I would actually play or to test and see if this works for more than 50 < spins?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 08:14 PM 2015
Thats why i test only 75 spins. See chart
This is great for in and out
Its not the number of spins but rather, the BR amount you are willing to lose at the CASINO or (I cant believe I'm saying it), some RNG rip-off place. Even with a small BR. We'll say $150.
You promise yourself, if it gets down to $30 (you lost 120), you quit. It makes NO DIFFERENCE, 75 spins. Now, transfer my example to a TRUE SITUATION, testing and real play has to *BE THE SAME*.
If your BR for casino play is only $150 (I'm not insulting that), if you got down to $30 (testing), YOU ARE DONE, you lost with THAT particular chart. Not every chart, THAT particular chart.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 26, 08:45 PM 2015
Its not the number of spins but rather, the BR amount you are willing to lose at the CASINO or (I cant believe I'm saying it), some RNG rip-off place. Even with a small BR. We'll say $150.
You promise yourself, if it gets down to $30 (you lost 120), you quit. It makes NO DIFFERENCE, 75 spins. Now, transfer my example to a TRUE SITUATION, testing and real play has to *BE THE SAME*.
If your BR for casino play is only $150 (I'm not insulting that), if you got down to $30 (testing), YOU ARE DONE, you lost with THAT particular chart. Not every chart, THAT particular chart.
Ken
All systems have losing charts
Just because you like 2 to 4 numbers doesnt mean this method has no merit
This method just does not fit your way of play
Which is fine
I have tested many of thousands of spins with success on original 123 grassroots. That is 24 numbers. I will pick that all day over 2 to 4 numbers. Why? HIT AND RUN
"If I were to play for real then I would have quit ALOT sooner" >> OMG !!!!
Sooner? So you guys still dont get it? Then the testing charts have to be even less than I thought. Another thing, because all of our BRs are not the same.....guess what that means? ......come on, you can do it......it means DIFFERENT results for every person reading the charts !!! The person with the $200 BR will not have the same results as the guy with the 3K BR. The chart stats would of wiped the $200 guy out long before the 3K guy regardless of WHERE the chart ends up.
I want somebody to play this with a 2K BR. You cant lose, its a HG.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 26, 08:52 PM 2015
"If I were to play for real then I would have quit ALOT sooner" >> OMG !!!!
Sooner? So you guys still dont get it? Then the testing charts have to be even less than I thought. Another thing, because all of our BRs are not the same.....guess what that means? ......come on, you can do it......it means DIFFERENT results for every person reading the charts !!! The person with the $200 BR will not have the same results as the guy with the 3K BR. The chart stats would of wiped the $200 guy out long before the 3K guy regardless of WHERE the chart ends up.
I want somebody to play this with a 2K BR. You cant lose, its a HG.
Ken
Why are u being a jerk. To deter lurkers?
Tomorrow im going to post many tests. Short tests. Like a casino visit
Zumma page numbers cited. Against 123
21 spin sets
Since you wanna fault everyone for testing long sessions. Which i see nothing wrong with
If you dont post tests you should NOT criticize
(I'm leaving soon, dont worry, birthday party for a friend).
This is all I'm asking/saying.....you have used the word TESTING a lot in your last few posts. I also test and I encourage it.
QUESTION.....is your testing (BR, spins, stop loss etc.) the exact SAME way as you have played or plan on playing? Thats all I'm asking!! If you lost $400 testing...well...you would not of lost $400 playing cause you would not of risked $400. See where I'm going with this?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 26, 09:02 PM 2015
(I'm leaving soon, dont worry, birthday party for a friend).
This is all I'm asking/saying.....you have used the word TESTING a lot in your last few posts. I also test and I encourage it.
QUESTION.....is your testing (BR, spins, stop loss etc.) the exact SAME way as you have played or plan on playing? Thats all I'm asking!! If you lost $400 testing...well...you would not of lost $400 playing cause you would not of risked $400. See where I'm going with this?
Ken
All im saying is dont fault people for testing long sessions if you dont post tests yourself
Tomorrow i will post many real casino visit tests. 21 spin test sessions.
I say test long sessions. This way we can see if the system goes southeast or if it was just a blip on the radar and goes back northeast.
TESTING
REAL life of course much shorter
"Since you wanna fault everyone for testing long sessions" >> I never said that.
I said, TRY and make sure it lines up with actual PLAYING conditions, thats what I said.
Listen RG, I'm only trying to help (and Turbo). You dont see it and thats ok, I understand and the best part, I lose nothing if you ignore my posts.
I like analogies.....lets say I was gonna take up the hobby of stamp collecting.
Am I gonna listen to the 19 year old or the 65 year old (I'm 47) who has been doing it for over 50 years?
Ken
"if you dont post tests yourself" >> Oh I can but they would be useless to most. Why?
My BR for testing/playing is much higher. I can sustain a 2K drop and keep on playing, can you?
No, so if my test results would end up in the positive, according to you, your results would be the SAME as mine (WTF?)
Ken
Hello RouletteGhost! Thanks for the warm welcome!!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 11:06 AM 2015
how did you play raymanz tweak? wait for a unique 3 then bet against? dozens only or columns to?
Well the way I play it is this: I get on the table, note the last 10 spins, wait for a unique 3 then bet against. If won, I stop and change table. Here is an example of one of today's play:
Last ten spin: 1112311222
New spins: 231 (here are my 3 uniques!)
Following spins: 22 (lost 1st, won on second)
It then ends for this table. I move to a new table. One win per table. As you say... HIT & Run! (The online casino where I play has so many tables from different part of the world that I dont only change tables, but I change countries....)
I always protect the zero.
I use the 1,3,9 progression. Usually playing units on the zero and 5,15,45 on the dozens. I still have a little difficulties managing the zero with the progressive bets. In my 67 units gain I have hit the zero once for a whooping 15 units gain in one spin!! :-O
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 11:06 AM 2015
I am trying to get more bets in rather then wait for the unique. Nick thegreek tweaked it where when you see a unique, play against that unique in each mini game continuously until a new unique trigger shows then play that one.
Nice tweek. I would need to test this one. I am more of the patient kind of guy. I prefer quality over quantity. And since my goal is to make one big bet, I prefer to wait for the right moments. I dont plan to make a living out of it. Just would like to bring the Girlfriend on a nice vacation once a year. I also dont want to get barred from Online Casinos. I want to stay "under the radar" so to speak.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 11:06 AM 2015
I myself have thought of betting against any dozen formation that repeats whether it is unique or not while waiting for the unique trigger
I really need to test that a lot more. That is a way that really is close to my style of play. I am testing Roulette Xtreme right now. Great piece of software! I might buy it as a christmas gift from me to me with my latest roulette incomes.
Simon.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2969.150 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2969.150) << Good example, from Dec 23rd, post 156.
So even though I came out ahead, I marked it down (in my notebook) as a loss even though, my BR was higher. (another WTF?) Like the post said, in a REAL SITUATION, the casino dealer never would of came out. My testing has to be 100% truthful or I'll screw myself over at the casino.
Ken
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 26, 07:53 PM 2015
This was the worst so far, but it's understandable since I had many repeaters this time. More then I've seen before. (four repeaters in a row)
3 1 1
3 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 1
2 3 1 <
3 2 1 <
1 2 3 <
1 3 2 <
1 1 1
3 3 1
2 2 2
0 3 3
1 2 1
2 2 3
3 2 1 <
1 3 1
1 1 2
1 3 2 <
1 1 1
1 2 3 <
2 1 3 <
2 1 3 <
3 1 3
3 2 1 <
0 1 0
3 2 1 <
1 2 2
3 1 1
3 2 1 <
2 3 1 <
3 2 2
1 3 3
1 1 3
1 1 3
1 2 3 <
2 1 0
3 3 3
3 2 0
3 1 2 <
2 3 1 <
3 1 3
2 2 3
2 2 1
1 3 3
2 3 2
1 3 1
1 1 1
3 1 0
2 1 2
3 0 3
2 1 3 <
2 1 1
3 1 3
2 3 2
2 1 2
3 3 3
1 2 1
But atleast I pulled it through. :)
Damn that's a though one. I got around -6 units here flat. What is still ok in my book. Good to see how it goes when the rfh comes. So far still very good.
remember we can't win every session.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 26, 09:16 PM 2015
Hello RouletteGhost! Thanks for the warm welcome!!
Well the way I play it is this: I get on the table, note the last 10 spins, wait for a unique 3 then bet against. If won, I stop and change table. Here is an example of one of today's play:
Last ten spin: 1112311222
New spins: 231 (here are my 3 uniques!)
Following spins: 22 (lost 1st, won on second)
It then ends for this table. I move to a new table. One win per table. As you say... HIT & Run! (The online casino where I play has so many tables from different part of the world that I dont only change tables, but I change countries....)
I always protect the zero.
I use the 1,3,9 progression. Usually playing units on the zero and 5,15,45 on the dozens. I still have a little difficulties managing the zero with the progressive bets. In my 67 units gain I have hit the zero once for a whooping 15 units gain in one spin!! :-O
Nice tweek. I would need to test this one. I am more of the patient kind of guy. I prefer quality over quantity. And since my goal is to make one big bet, I prefer to wait for the right moments. I dont plan to make a living out of it. Just would like to bring the Girlfriend on a nice vacation once a year. I also dont want to get barred from Online Casinos. I want to stay "under the radar" so to speak.
I really need to test that a lot more. That is a way that really is close to my style of play. I am testing Roulette Xtreme right now. Great piece of software! I might buy it as a christmas gift from me to me with my latest roulette incomes.
Simon.
Good job. You will do very well
Glad to have a poster like you
Will talk tomorrow for sure
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 26, 09:16 PM 2015
Hello RouletteGhost! Thanks for the warm welcome!!
Well the way I play it is this: I get on the table, note the last 10 spins, wait for a unique 3 then bet against. If won, I stop and change table.
:thumbsup:
You will win this way. A unique repeats once every 250 to 350 spins. So the odds are in your favor
Good luck
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 09:47 PM 2015
Good job. You will do very well
Glad to have a poster like you
Will talk tomorrow for sure
Thanks! Here is a little test example from my method of 3 any dozens followed by 3 of the same dozens than bet against that 3 dozens.
This test is made using real wheel spins.
Ok some are gonna say that I made only 20 units in 271 spins, which, at 1 spin a minute, account for 4 1/2 hour of play. But if those units were not 1$ units like the one i use but 10$ units, I would have made 200$ in 4 1/2 hour.... Way more than what I make in an 8 hour day job shift...
Simon.
The online casino where I play has so many tables from different part of the world that I dont only change tables, but I change countries....
Which Casino would that be?
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 26, 10:11 PM 2015
Thanks! Here is a little test example from my method of 3 any dozens followed by 3 of the same dozens than bet against that 3 dozens.
This test is made using real wheel spins.
Ok some are gonna say that I made only 20 units in 271 spins, which, at 1 spin a minute, account for 4 1/2 hour of play. But if those units were not 1$ units like the one i use but 10$ units, I would have made 200$ in 4 1/2 hour.... Way more than what I make in an 8 hour day job shift...
Simon.
So you wait for example 231 231 and now bet against it? Hoping not to see another 231 ?
I've played my tweak all morning but with a parlay 1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 stop and reset.
Actually it worked very smooth.
:thumbsup:
GO GETEM' RG!!! :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 06:37 PM 2015
Mogul
Here again
See chart
AGAINST 123
"Mogul I want to make sure you understand the original, where it all originated.
see the attached chart
we are NOT betting every single spin
this is the original bet against 123 where it ALL started
see row 1. we bet against dozen 1, we win. now sit out the next 2 spins.
go down to row 2, bet against dozen 1, win. sit out next 2 spins.
goto row 5. we bet against 1, LOSE, now we up it to 3 units per dozen and bet against dozen 2, we WIN. sit out the next spin and dont bet again until row 6"
If i take the time out please read it.
Sorry RG. I understand it. Thanks for explaining it. My brain is just so
"off to the races" with different variations I can't reel it in.
Good luck today.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 26, 07:02 PM 2015
Another approach would be against 1-2-3 betting 1,2,3
Win on first = +01
Win on second = +00
Win on third = -03
Total loss = -12
More of a grind, but much safer. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thanks for laying down "the law". This may not be perfect, but
it's in the right direction.
You don't wanna live like THIS, I hope.......
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Phl82D57P58 (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Phl82D57P58)
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 26, 08:12 PM 2015
You guys just aint getting it. You were at -350 and you would of quit (as you should or even sooner?), which means, you would NOT of "pulled through".
In line with my 27 threads regarding testing.
You cant look at a chart *AFTERWARDS* and say....see, see this is great news !!
The chart (or testing) has to be in line with ACTUAL PLAYING CONDITIONS of what YOU WOULD DO IN *REAL* SITUATIONS OF PLAYING !!!!!!
Ken
W W K D (What would Ken do?)
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 26, 07:53 PM 2015
This was the worst so far, but it's understandable since I had many repeaters this time. More then I've seen before. (four repeaters in a row)
3 1 1
3 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 1
2 3 1 <
3 2 1 <
1 2 3 <
1 3 2 <
1 1 1
3 3 1
2 2 2
0 3 3
1 2 1
2 2 3
3 2 1 <
1 3 1
1 1 2
1 3 2 <
1 1 1
1 2 3 <
2 1 3 <
2 1 3 <
3 1 3
3 2 1 <
0 1 0
3 2 1 <
1 2 2
3 1 1
3 2 1 <
2 3 1 <
3 2 2
1 3 3
1 1 3
1 1 3
1 2 3 <
2 1 0
3 3 3
3 2 0
3 1 2 <
2 3 1 <
3 1 3
2 2 3
2 2 1
1 3 3
2 3 2
1 3 1
1 1 1
3 1 0
2 1 2
3 0 3
2 1 3 <
2 1 1
3 1 3
2 3 2
2 1 2
3 3 3
1 2 1
But atleast I pulled it through. :)
I'm not sure I get how you're betting. Surely you had more than
one chance to win (lose) each time, and I see other repeaters.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 08:23 PM 2015
Celes. Go back to page 50. Look at ur test
Decide if u liked playing that way.
Cause man, that was a solid tweak
I have another "tweak". It could just be a thought. Or bullshit.
But I feel like, from the results I remember, it might have merit.
Play for the result of the last outcome. Now mind you (RG) yes
I may be exhibiting "continuous play" thinking.. But when I was
working on looking for the repeat dozens, you would get 2-3 in a row
that "lost". Sometimes many more. In other words they cluster.
I haven't ground this though into the ground. But I'd appreciate it if
some others thought about it and give it some mental tests.
"going with the flow" more in terms of wins/ losses.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 08:33 PM 2015
Each and every mini game won
Max step in progression: 2
Put a note of humor on it
Now im no roulette expert. BUT if you go 75 spins with no loss id say hey thats a good system. Progression or not......(3 step progression)
Why does it say on the chart "this method sucks"?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 26, 09:04 PM 2015
All im saying is dont fault people for testing long sessions if you dont post tests yourself
Tomorrow i will post many real casino visit tests. 21 spin test sessions.
I don't see why he's skeptical if he's the global moderator of this group.
All good luck to you RG, and I'm VERY interested in seeing your results.
All posted long hand.... (And your winning report).
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 26, 09:10 PM 2015
"Since you wanna fault everyone for testing long sessions" >> I never said that.
I said, TRY and make sure it lines up with actual PLAYING conditions, thats what I said.
Listen RG, I'm only trying to help (and Turbo). You dont see it and thats ok, I understand and the best part, I lose nothing if you ignore my posts.
I like analogies.....lets say I was gonna take up the hobby of stamp collecting.
Am I gonna listen to the 19 year old or the 65 year old (I'm 47) who has been doing it for over 50 years?
Ken
I'm 59, and started with a small book my cousin gave me when I was
about 22 about gambling. At one point I had accumulated the daily
race results from the newspaper for TWO YEARS. When that was my focus.
My focus had to do with all practical things. Access was one. I lived in
Lowell MA. Right by New Hampshire. They opened AC. I did my first
casino visit there. Went to Mohegan sun once just to see. Often went on
a Sat morn before a crowd. Or after work.
Moved to Franklin Ma. RI boarder. They opened Twin River. My father in law
went every Friday. Finally, this year, Plainridge. 3 exits down Rt 495.
So when I get hot on testing something I can drive there in 15 min.
No cash. Just notebook. They have "airball"? which is physical wheel
with real ball. $3 min.. $1500 max. Quite a spread. It's what I've
dreamed of my whole life.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 27, 10:33 AM 2015
I'm not sure I get how you're betting. Surely you had more than
one chance to win (lose) each time, and I see other repeaters.
I play denzie's way. Only on the last bet.
If 1 2 come up I bet 1 2.
If 2 2 come up I play 2 + choose a dozen.
If 1 0 I play 1 + chooze a dozen.
I know RG isn't going to like this. But as I graze over past pages and
presentations of variations on the method, it was a work in progress.
People usually present what they do in the context of what was being talked
about at the time. And also post charts.
When I go back and read. And look at the charts, my brain tries to
evaluate what I see based on present knowledge, when the example
being given is just thrown out there based on what that person is
knowing, or what is in vogue at the time.
So my head explodes and I spend all this time trying to attach the
methodology that I can dig up for that person or that time, instead of
the people just giving a short blurb of an explanation about what they
are doing in that particular test.
I know this won't happen when RG comes back tonight/tomorrow and
presents all his data. He'll rubber stamp the particular approach he used
clearly, so we'll all know for sure why his trip was so profitable.
Aye?
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 27, 07:20 PM 2015
I know RG isn't going to like this. But as I graze over past pages and
presentations of variations on the method, it was a work in progress.
People usually present what they do in the context of what was being talked
about at the time. And also post charts.
When I go back and read. And look at the charts, my brain tries to
evaluate what I see based on present knowledge, when the example
being given is just thrown out there based on what that person is
knowing, or what is in vogue at the time.
So my head explodes and I spend all this time trying to attach the
methodology that I can dig up for that person or that time, instead of
the people just giving a short blurb of an explanation about what they
are doing in that particular test.
I know this won't happen when RG comes back tonight/tomorrow and
presents all his data. He'll rubber stamp the particular approach he used
clearly, so we'll all know for sure why his trip was so profitable.
Aye?
This is not a rip on RG but he'll probably take it as such. I think his BIGGER goal is to convince others rather than, go out and stake a claim for himself (if its possible). I told him before....I have been there many times. What he wants (and won't get) is a crusade by his side, maybe a holiday named after him? He wants more involvement (as did I) and more members singing praises (as did I).
I have posted a few methods were I was *SHOCKED* it did not take off like wild fire. My solution? Laugh my a** off and post less. He takes it personal. He's a hard worker with this game, I will give him that much. As I said, when you have a holy grail (not my words), the sky is the limit and nothing can get in your way, not even a day job.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 27, 07:37 PM 2015
This is not a rip on RG but he'll probably take it as such. I think his BIGGER goal is to convince others rather than, go out and stake a claim for himself (if its possible). I told him before....I have been there many times. What he wants (and won't get) is a crusade by his side, maybe a holiday named after him? He wants more involvement (as did I) and more members singing praises (as did I).
I have posted a few methods were I was *SHOCKED* it did not take off like wild fire. My solution? Laugh my a** off and post less. He takes it personal. He's a hard worker with this game, I will give him that much. As I said, when you have a holy grail (not my words), the sky is the limit and nothing can get in your way, not even a day job.
Ken
I think the one piece of this that all of these threads are missing is continuous updates of win/loss totals.
If I see that someone posted a method and then nobody responded or updated the thread, I just assume that the method eventually tanked unless they post updates.
This is the real problem with this forum in general; we have yet to see a member claiming continuous profit over a long period of time with any form of proof (receipts are easy to show). I assume if someone had such a method that was posted here, they would update everyone on their current winnings. "Current winnings : $135,000 (11,000 units) as of today with a total of 10,500 spins played"
Instead we get members who claim wins, but want to keep their method secret............great idea for a forum. :sad2:
.....and then then the excuses just roll in........"not giving it away"........"you must earn it".......all the while, the owner of the forum spends his time on computers to beat the game. So why would he risk being arrested if he had access to a winning system? :question: :question: :question:
If anyone has a winning method, then post updates, or expect everyone to assume the worst.Anyone should be able to test a method, and post those results...........this ain't rocket-science...........if a method works, then it works........period!!! :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
Two issues >> and I'll repeat it as many times as needed. Posting test results are fine as long as they would MATCH UP with real conditions at a casino. Being down $3,400 (testing) and finishing with a profit of $270 is NOT a REAL LIFE CASINO SITUATION. In your head....."GREAT RESULTS WITH THAT TESTING" but in reality, you lost.
Second, (you did touch on this) proof of a good day at the casino? So a person says they won $850 with method "X", how do we know? Even posting a receipt, where is the PROOF it came from a roulette game and method "X"?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 27, 08:09 PM 2015
Two issues >> and I'll repeat it as many times as needed. Posting test results are fine as long as they would MATCH UP with real conditions at a casino. Being down $3,400 (testing) and finishing with a profit of $270 is NOT a REAL LIFE CASINO SITUATION. In your head....."GREAT RESULTS WITH THAT TESTING" but in reality, you lost.
Second, (you did touch on this) proof of a good day at the casino? So a person says they won $850 with method "X", how do we know? Even posting a receipt, where is the PROOF it came from a roulette game and method "X"?
Ken
#1 - I agree 100%
#2 - Not perfect, but it's the best proof that we have along with the method posted publicly for everyone to see and test. So if someone posted a method that they claimed won them $2500 per day at the tables, and it tanks in testing by other members, then it's pretty clear they're just trolling. This should be a wake-up call to everyone that we need a higher standard for posting and testing, and threads need to be openly criticized and/or ignored to weed out the bullsh*t. We should all find it insulting that after thousands of posts, we appear to be no closer to a practical method to beat the game. Anyone who claims otherwise needs to put up or shut-up!!! :thumbsup:
So you want others to do all the work? Keeping you up 2 date with all their results? You just pick the best method and fly away? Maybe you should contribute more? Start testing? Most casino's have a fun mode. Just start testing any method you like and maybe you will find your holy grail.
I don't see why someone who is winning constantly should keep posting updates. I know i won't. I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 27, 07:37 PM 2015
This is not a rip on RG but he'll probably take it as such. I think his BIGGER goal is to convince others rather than, go out and stake a claim for himself (if its possible). I told him before....I have been there many times. What he wants (and won't get) is a crusade by his side, maybe a holiday named after him? He wants more involvement (as did I) and more members singing praises (as did I).
I have posted a few methods were I was *SHOCKED* it did not take off like wild fire. My solution? Laugh my a** off and post less. He takes it personal. He's a hard worker with this game, I will give him that much. As I said, when you have a holy grail (not my words), the sky is the limit and nothing can get in your way, not even a day job.
Ken
Well that's why I mention it. It's not a jab, but he was getting understandably
impatient with me flailing around. But it's hard to track a moving target.
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 27, 08:09 PM 2015
Two issues >> and I'll repeat it as many times as needed. Posting test results are fine as long as they would MATCH UP with real conditions at a casino. Being down $3,400 (testing) and finishing with a profit of $270 is NOT a REAL LIFE CASINO SITUATION. In your head....."GREAT RESULTS WITH THAT TESTING" but in reality, you lost.
Second, (you did touch on this) proof of a good day at the casino? So a person says they won $850 with method "X", how do we know? Even posting a receipt, where is the PROOF it came from a roulette game and method "X"?
Ken
Ken, I agree with everything you said. Maybe about RG wanting a cheering section.
About the unrealistic aspect of simulated results.
That is why I beat my drum all the time. We all know what meaningful test results
involve. Betting method and stake method. Simple enough. Anything without that
is useless.
And then you read and listen and get the admission, "I never played live". Or
"only once".
More than once I shut the door on all this as futile, as you sort of preach. Then
I come back for fun. But there are some habits of humanity or nature that must
be broken, like the suicidal neg progression and the NEED to recoup losses in
one swing.
Can't keep all this straight in my head this time, though.
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 27, 08:42 PM 2015
So you want others to do all the work? Keeping you up 2 date with all their results? You just pick the best method and fly away? Maybe you should contribute more? Start testing? Most casino's have a fun mode. Just start testing any method you like and maybe you will find your holy grail.
I don't see why someone who is winning constantly should keep posting updates. I know i won't. I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...
This is a standard line from those who don't actually have any winning method -
"I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...".......This is a forum..........where we share ideas.......so we can create something called progress......which is standing on the shoulders of giants!!!
If you're going to be withholding then why come here at all??? :question:
I've said this time and time again:
This is why we don't have a winning method. Because some members would rather play games than beat the game!!! :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 27, 08:42 PM 2015
So you want others to do all the work? Keeping you up 2 date with all their results? You just pick the best method and fly away? Maybe you should contribute more? Start testing? Most casino's have a fun mode. Just start testing any method you like and maybe you will find your holy grail.
I don't see why someone who is winning constantly should keep posting updates. I know i won't. I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...
IT's not the matter of the work or the results. It's the matter of making a complete report,
if you're going to make one.
The fact that you're typing shows intent. So stop all the smug innuendos and
be clear about what you ARE doing. Instead of leaving parts out and leaving
a back door.
Dont break raymanz balls
He made the best tweak to date and tested 66k spins and posted the results
His tweak is a winner
If you choose not to test it thats your effin problem
Bet against previous 3 when unique
Triggers
123
132
213
231
312
321
See one of those? then bet against it
Playing dozens and columns you will get about 10 betting opportunities per hour. On average you will lose every 250 to 350 spins as thats how often a uniqie repeats
Dont like it? Dont play it
Dont believe in it? Oh well
Dont want to read the raymanz tweak thread? Tough luck to ya cause you wont find better. Have better? Show me
___________
Each uniqie repeats every 2000 spins -- 6 uniques thats roughly every 300 spins you see a unique repeat. Want to find better? GOOD LUCK. Buy a roulette computer then
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 27, 09:09 PM 2015
Dont break raymanz balls
He made the best tweak to date and tested 66k spins and posted the results
His tweak is a winner
If you choose not to test it thats your effin problem
Bet against previous 3 when unique
Triggers
123
132
213
231
312
321
See one of those? then bet against it
Playing dozens and columns you will get about 10 betting opportunities per hour. On average you will lose every 250 to 350 spins as thats how often a uniqie repeats
Dont like it? Dont play it
Dont believe in it? Oh well
Dont want to read the raymanz tweak thread? Tough luck to ya cause you wont find better. Have better? Show me
___________
Each uniqie repeats every 2000 spins -- 6 uniques thats roughly every 300 spins you see a unique repeat. Want to find better? GOOD LUCK. Buy a roulette computer then
Sounds good!
So I assume we won't be hearing from Raymanz any more on this forum, as he has the HG (let's just say a consistent winning method) :question:
So why are we all still trying other methods when the HG is right in front of us??? :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 27, 08:54 PM 2015
This is a standard line from those who don't actually have any winning method - "I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...".......
This is a forum..........where we share ideas.......so we can create something called progress......which is standing on the shoulders of giants!!!
If you're going to be withholding then why come here at all??? :question:
I've said this time and time again:
This is why we don't have a winning method. Because some members would rather play games than beat the game!!! :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
I can not nor will I try to speak for all that do not post/share "decent" methods (notice I didn't say Holy Grail).
In a perfect world, yes, lets all share... A & B+ methods but with me, I have seen too much BS over the years. Answer this please....why would I "share" with certain people such as....the "you cant win" crowd so stop trying, the AP (cough) goofs, the unregistered folks, the members that contribute little, the members that will use it, make some money and I'll never hear a fu***n word of thanks etc. etc. etc.
So why again would I SHARE with them?
Ken
Hello Denzie! I have been following your posts with great interest!!
Quote from: denzie on Dec 27, 06:58 AM 2015
So you wait for example 231 231 and now bet against it? Hoping not to see another 231 ?
Well, yes and no. I don't wait for uniques to repeat. I wait for any repeats. It could be something like:
221 221
332 332
113 113
etc…
I got 333 333 in my last game…! Then I bet that the serie won't repeat a third time. Then, when won, I switch tables. Yes I know, it is time consuming, but I prefer to make one big bet than a series of smaller bets.
I was thinking about something today, according to RG, a unique repeats once every 250 to 350 spins. Neat. But I am very curious to know about the number of spins a unique would repeat 3 times. It is probably a lot… So we could do something like this:
Wait for a unique to come up. Bet against the unique from repeating with smaller regular bet.
If the unique repeats and you lose, bet the number of units lost on the last bet that it will not repeat a third time. This would be some kind of recovery bet. It will be a big bet, but your chance to win it should be big also.
Gotta test that...
Just another idea.
Simon.
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 27, 09:19 PM 2015
I can not nor will I try to speak for all that do not post/share "decent" methods (notice I didn't say Holy Grail).
In a perfect world, yes, lets all share... A & B+ methods but with me, I have seen too much BS over the years. Answer this please....why would I "share" with certain people such as....the "you cant win" crowd so stop trying, the AP (cough) goofs, the unregistered folks, the members that contribute little, the members that will use it, make some money and I'll never hear a fu***n word of thanks etc. etc. etc.
So why again would I SHARE with them?
Ken
I understand where you're coming from, but this is a forum after all, so sharing information is part of being involved in this endeavor. If someone doesn't want to share, then let's identify them with something like a "visitor" status label instead of a member; that way, we can separate those who are all-in, vs those just searching for a good conversation.
My major gripe with members who don't share, is that it's an easy way to troll the forum by saying essentially: "I have found the answer, but I'm not sharing it", which is fine, but then, why continue to post? Not to mention the fact that we're talking about an easy sizable income for the rest of one's life...........that's a bold claim!
Great claims require great evidence. :thumbsup:
ok ok .......heres a thought...if you want a little more action why not look for uniques that are also going vertically up and down.....lets test......
I knew I forgot something. The other BIG reason, if I personally put in hundreds, if not thousands of hours, failed relationships because roulette was more important, testing until I fell asleep at my desk, losing THOUSANDS of dollars at the casino. All for something great in the end (through my own trial & error...blood, sweat & tears).
All that sacrifice and then start a thread, giving it away? Not me brother.
I do agree with you though, a person should not talk s**t on how they have a HG, they are the best roulette player in the world and BTW, "dont ask me for help".
I agree, those members are borderline up for a ban.
Ken
the above is against the forum's rules is it not ?
Has anybody ever been banned for breaking those rules ?
O0
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 27, 09:41 PM 2015
I knew I forgot something. The other BIG reason, if I personally put in hundreds, if not thousands of hours, failed relationships because roulette was more important, testing until I fell asleep at my desk, losing THOUSANDS of dollars at the casino. All for something great in the end (through my own trial & error...blood, sweat & tears).
All that sacrifice and then start a thread, giving it away? Not me brother.
I do agree with you though, a person should not talk s**t on how they have a HG, they are the best roulette player in the world and BTW, "dont ask me for help".
I agree, those members are borderline up for a ban.
Ken
.........but I thought that is what we were all doing here. Putting in time to beat the game.
So now it's every man for himself? :question:
That doesn't exactly sound like a forum...... :ooh:
Perhaps I've been mistaken all along.......
Well so much for my idea.
Got 211 211 211 tonight which brought me down a lot... So any 3 dozens can repeat 3 times.
Will have to test more... ;-)
Simon here ya go
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16320.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16320.0)
I cant try any harder then i already have thelaw. Unless i put on a tuxedo and arrive at your house in a limo with women in bikinis giving presentations of all these tweaks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 27, 10:08 PM 2015
Simon here ya go
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16320.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16320.0)
Yeah. Thanks! Already read that thread... Just wanted to test something else.... I am trying Raymanz right now with my 3rd unique recovering bet. Can bring me down too.. Maybe not... Well see...
Simon.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 27, 10:08 PM 2015
Simon here ya go
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16320.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16320.0)
I cant try any harder then i already have thelaw. Unless i put on a tuxedo and arrive at your house in a limo with women in bikinis giving presentations of all these tweaks
Sounds good!
Can't wait to hear about your winnings using Raymanz tweak.........I assume that's the one you used! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 27, 09:44 PM 2015
the above is against the forum's rules is it not ?
Has anybody ever been banned for breaking those rules ?
O0
I think yes. Who or when I really dont know.
Ken
Well, I guess this is my last post for the night. Gonna go get a few units online and then go to bed.
Here is a little test of 120 spins with the Raymanz tweek and my 3rd sequence recovery tweek.
As you can see on the graph, I got 11333 than 231 and then again 231 for a loss. I bet against another 231 with enough chips to recover the previous loss and got 323. So I was back in the game...
The rest is about 2 hours of play online with live dealers at one spin every minute or so.
Will test more. Too tired now...
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 27, 10:34 PM 2015
Well, I guess this is my last post for the night. Gonna go get a few units online and then go to bed.
Here is a little test of 120 spins with the Raymanz tweek and my 3rd sequence recovery tweek.
As you can see on the graph, I got 11333 than 231 and then again 231 for a loss. I bet against another 231 with enough chips to recover the previous loss and got 323. So I was back in the game...
The rest is about 2 hours of play online with live dealers at one spin every minute or so.
Will test more. Too tired now...
Simon.
You saw a unique repeat? Awesome trigger
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 27, 10:36 PM 2015
You saw a unique repeat? Awesome trigger
Yeah, and it got me down 140 units.... :o
Good thing I recovered... So no 3x3 uniques yet....
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 27, 10:41 PM 2015
Yeah, and it got me down 140 units.... :o
Good thing I recovered... So no 3x3 uniques yet....
Simon.
140 units? Thats quite the progression
231
231
Id b down 26 units.
Then id increase unit size to recover quick
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 27, 10:43 PM 2015
140 units? Thats quite the progression
231
231
Id b down 26 units.
Then id increase unit size to recover quick
Yeah well I go 5$ on the dozens and 1$ on the Zero with a 1,3,9 progression....
When I say units, I mean $....
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 27, 10:47 PM 2015
Yeah well I go 5$ on the dozens and 1$ on the Zero with a 1,3,9 progression....
When I say units, I mean $....
Simon.
Oh ok sorry
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 27, 10:48 PM 2015
Oh ok sorry
Should have specified... Where I play online the minimum is 1 unit on the zero and on the dozens, but to protect the zero, I have to put more on the dozens if I want to get a profit out of it.
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 27, 10:41 PM 2015
Yeah, and it got me down 140 units.... :o
Good thing I recovered... So no 3x3 uniques yet....
Simon.
So if you played it at a CASINO and was "down" 140 units, would you of kept on playing? For around 90% of the people here, no is the answer. So you would not of ended in the plus.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 27, 10:50 PM 2015
So if you played it at a CASINO and was "down" 140 units, would you of kept on playing? For around 90% of the people here, no is the answer. So you would not of ended in the plus.
Ken
Yes, beacose I have the BR for it, and many other losses.
I know I am gambling. I know I can loose. I am willing to take that risk. This money is disposable money. And I am not gambling with the money for baby's new pair of shoes.
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 27, 10:56 PM 2015
Yes, beacose I have the BR for it, and many other losses.
I know I am gambling. I know I can loose. I am willing to take that risk. This money is disposable money. And I am not gambling with the money for baby's new pair of shoes.
Simon.
Good answer
This isnt cookie cutter
I wouldnt play if i couldnt take a 140 swing
This is an unbeatable game
For love of the game and passion we create systems and money management
It is a hobby. Not one size fits all. People have different styles. Period
People have a hobby for creating and testing strategies. If they want to test 3 spins or hundreds of spins let them
Math guys and "you cant win" guys ruin it for hobbyists and makes this place no fun
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 27, 10:56 PM 2015
Yes, beacose I have the BR for it, and many other losses.
I know I am gambling. I know I can loose. I am willing to take that risk. This money is disposable money. And I am not gambling with the money for baby's new pair of shoes.
Simon.
Hey thats cool, you and I are part of the *10%*....the rest, not so sure.
Not to mention, unless the unit sizes are .05 apiece.......
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 27, 11:05 PM 2015
Not to mention, unless the unit sizes are .05 apiece.......
Could be. Thats why I use the word units and not dollars. But I usually dont play less than high society chips... :wink:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 27, 11:03 PM 2015
Good answer
This isnt cookie cutter
I wouldnt play if i couldnt take a 140 swing
This is an unbeatable game
For love of the game and passion we create systems and money management
It is a hobby. Not one size fits all. People have different styles. Period
People have a hobby for creating and testing strategies. If they want to test 3 spins or hundreds of spins let them
Math guys and "you cant win" guys ruin it for hobbyists and makes this place no fun
"This is an unbeatable game
For love of the game and passion we create systems and money management
It is a hobby. Not one size fits all. People have different styles. Period
People have a hobby for creating and testing strategies." - RGWell, it's been fun!
Best of luck to everyone. :thumbsup:
Last post on this thread.
@RG >>> You did it again. You post (regarding this method) 2 different things >> This is an unbeatable game AND you have the Holy Grail. :-\ I'm confused.
Ken
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 27, 11:11 PM 2015
Could be. Thats why I use the word units and not dollars. But I usually dont play less than high society chips... :wink:
Lets not confuse UNIT sizes, testing compared to unit sizes at a CASINO.
I agree, if we are using unit sizes of .0001 then sure, we could afford to lose 546,511,097,054 units.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 27, 09:09 PM 2015
Dont break raymanz balls
He made the best tweak to date and tested 66k spins and posted the results
His tweak is a winner
If you choose not to test it thats your effin problem
Bet against previous 3 when unique
Triggers
123
132
213
231
312
321
See one of those? then bet against it
Playing dozens and columns you will get about 10 betting opportunities per hour. On average you will lose every 250 to 350 spins as thats how often a uniqie repeats
Dont like it? Dont play it
Dont believe in it? Oh well
Dont want to read the raymanz tweak thread? Tough luck to ya cause you wont find better. Have better? Show me
___________
Each uniqie repeats every 2000 spins -- 6 uniques thats roughly every 300 spins you see a unique repeat. Want to find better? GOOD LUCK. Buy a roulette computer then
So how did you do today? You went to the casino, right?
Do you have a trip report?
Happy to see the yacking stopped. So back to this grassroots. ...
Originally playing against 123 did great. Till it kicked my profits in half. So I stopped. Cuz it loses on the long run. It is what it is. But hey it did make me some nice money. Switching tables really really really changes nothing. It's in the hands of luck only. In and out is same. Luck.
Then the unique. ..they did great also. Again till you sit down on the wrong moment. And of course the waiting is bit long .
Columns is a big no for me.
So currently I play my tweak with very great success and tiny dd. It's one of the best methods I play with low risk.Flat or parlay.
One more thing about the unique. ..we not got many betting opportunity so when that progression of 11 33 99 loses....how many hours we need to recover? Double the stakes? Damn another bust. ...you know what I try to say?
I can't say it enough. ..FLAT OR PARLEY.
RG...how your casino trip went?
Simon...your idea ain't bad mate. Just be careful with "BIG" bets cuz you think now it should be safe. Roulette is a b*tch.
Again flat or parlay. Again Onetaste and RG thx for promoting this.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 27, 09:09 PM 2015
Dont break raymanz balls
He made the best tweak to date and tested 66k spins and posted the results
His tweak is a winner
If you choose not to test it thats your effin problem
Bet against previous 3 when unique
Triggers
123
132
213
231
312
321
See one of those? then bet against it
Playing dozens and columns you will get about 10 betting opportunities per hour. On average you will lose every 250 to 350 spins as thats how often a uniqie repeats
Dont like it? Dont play it
Dont believe in it? Oh well
Dont want to read the raymanz tweak thread? Tough luck to ya cause you wont find better. Have better? Show me
___________
Each uniqie repeats every 2000 spins -- 6 uniques thats roughly every 300 spins you see a unique repeat. Want to find better? GOOD LUCK. Buy a roulette computer then
I keep looking for the actual post of the tweak. Can't find it.
He talks about a pinwheel a lot. Not sure what that is.
What post # are you referring to?
You need glasses :yawn:
@ Mogul
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16390.new;topicseen#new (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16390.new;topicseen#new)
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 27, 11:19 PM 2015
@RG >>> You did it again. You post (regarding this method) 2 different things >> This is an unbeatable game AND you have the Holy Grail. :-\ I'm confused.
Ken
It is my own HG
It wins enough for me to consider it that
It meets MY criteria. so thats that
Quote from: denzie on Dec 27, 11:30 PM 2015
Again flat or parlay. Again Onetaste and RG thx for promoting this.
Too good not to, lol
I received a PM from someone who has made literally thousands of dollars playing against 123 and 321 dozens and columns
Bigger unit size
Says he wont post because of the negativity
Said hed rather talk in PM with like minded people who seek to make the method better rather then spend days trying to prove it is crap
So you know who you are, good job being anti what the forum is for and making people not post
Part of message shared with permission
See where being jacka**es gets? This guy makes good money with some tweaks of grassroots but wont post because of know it alls and the you cant win crowd,who probably havent tested any of these tweaks one bit but just wants to chime in
So instead of this guy joining in to make it better hes silent
@ RouletteGhost
May I ask what do you think here real problem is with "math boys", who are also usually considered to be naysayer about almost any method?
Do you think the way this is proposed to be played actually cannot be simulated in a right way so any negative longterm tests are not conducted in a right way? You think computer simulation is not the best way to do that?
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 28, 06:36 AM 2015
@ RouletteGhost
May I ask what do you think here real problem is with "math boys", who are also usually considered to be naysayer about almost any method?
Do you think the way this is proposed to be played actually cannot be simulated in a right way so any negative longterm tests are not conducted in a right way? You think computer simulation is not the best way to do that?
Cheers
Long term testing. No way
But you are a math guy. That is what you do. So you will say most methods fail
So what you guys should do is come and say it will fail and then move on and lets us keep at it. In my opinion
If strategy hobbyists wanted BS we would goto wizard of vegas forum
Mind you, i have many PMs of guys winning big with grassroots principles. So a long term test means nothing to me. Does not reflect actual visits
If i choose a grassroots tweak and walk upto a table and play if for a few spins chances are im going to win. Long term testing shows oh look a loss here and a loss there
Im not stupid. I know it can lose. With proper progression and strategy we can make it work. I know that because people are
So if you dont like it dont play it. We now know who disagrees with it.
So no nevativity here. Move on to another method (not you particularly just anyone who disagrees with it) and let us keep at it. I enjoy seeing tests and success stories. Keep it clean
Not THAT hard
Then maybe we will have lurkers post.
I understand.
Computer simulations can be used quite widely and almost any hypothesis can be coded and simulated. Why do you think casino visits cannot be simulated in a way that such test reflects correct and factual results? Where lies the difference then?
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 28, 06:53 AM 2015
I understand.
Computer simulations can be used quite widely and almost any hypothesis can be coded and simulated. Why do you think casino visits cannot be simulated in a way that such test reflects correct and factual results? Where lies the difference then?
I dont know. I can speculate though. I believe in hit and run. Most dont
So what hit and run means to you? How much absence of play is enough to be considered running away?
Hit and run is perfectly fine with me and lets say that really means something (difference) in results. Why there wouldn't be a validate way to test that through computer simulation?
I am thinking about this. You take some X number of spins or triggers played you think it will be enough for one visit, then skip certain amount of spins (which would be spun while you are not in the casino) and then continue the process like that? Could that for example be closer to simulating hit and run?
Quote from: denzie on Dec 27, 11:30 PM 2015
I can't say it enough. ..FLAT OR PARLEY.
Simon...your idea ain't bad mate. Just be careful with "BIG" bets cuz you think now it should be safe. Roulette is a b*tch.
Denzie,
Yes you are right on this one. I have been doing some maths all morning and the 1,3,9 is definitely not the solution. Now that we are starting to have a good bet selection method, I guess it's time to spend more time on money management. I will have to try a few things.
Simon.
My style is
1 2 5
Lighter. Break even. Only profit on 1st bet
Worked for me. But everyone has own style
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 28, 09:51 AM 2015
My style is
1 2 5
Lighter. Break even. Only profit on 1st bet
Worked for me. But everyone has own style
I`m really starting to think if something like some type of cancellation or Fibonacci would work with something like this... Hmmm.....
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 28, 09:55 AM 2015
I`m really starting to think if something like some type of cancellation or Fibonacci would work with something like this... Hmmm.....
Sounds good
I play mini games of 3
So i set my progression for that
So
111 mini game
111 new mini game
111 new mini game
I treat each one independently and i dont play on a rolling basis
Against previous 3 shown below. Not the best idea. It loses at times
Good for hit and run maybe
Some stats about the pinwheel grassroot.
In the past i kept track of all the spins i played at a live casino. I found them today on my harddrive and decided to do some quick tests.
If you would play the original grassroot method. So betting against 123 i would win. In all the tests combined the combination 321 works the best on the casino i played.
13-11-2015: +108 units
14-11-2015: +81 units
16-11-2015: +115 units
17-11-2015: +13 units
18-11-2015: +110 units
19-11-2015: +92 units
So betting against 321 with a 1 3 9 progression would make a nice daily profit. So nothing fancy. Just bet against 321 of the pinwheel.
1 = pinwheel 1 and 4
2 = pinwheel 2 and 5
3 = pinwheel 3 and 6
13-11-2015
total: 297
123: 9
132: 14
213: 7
231: 11
312: 6
321: 7
14-11-2015
total: 216
123: 5
132: 8
213: 6
231: 6
312: 12
321: 5
16-11-2015
total: 277
123: 13
132: 10
213: 8
231: 12
312: 4
321: 6
17-11-2015
total: 309
123: 10
132: 11
213: 13
231: 9
312: 8
321: 11
18-11-2015
total: 299
123: 9
132: 9
213: 6
231: 8
312: 15
321: 7
19-11-2015
total: 281
123: 15
132: 13
213: 12
231: 16
312: 9
321: 7
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 28, 10:20 AM 2015
Some stats about the pinwheel grassroot.
In the past i kept track of all the spins i played at a live casino. I found them today on my harddrive and decided to do some quick tests.
If you would play the original grassroot method. So betting against 123 i would win. In all the tests combined the combination 321 works the best on the casino i played.
13-11-2015: +108 units
14-11-2015: +81 units
16-11-2015: +115 units
17-11-2015: +13 units
18-11-2015: +110 units
19-11-2015: +92 units
So betting against 321 with a 1 3 9 progression would make a nice daily profit. So nothing fancy. Just bet against 321 of the pinwheel.
1 = pinwheel 1 and 4
2 = pinwheel 2 and 5
3 = pinwheel 3 and 6
13-11-2015
total: 297
123: 9
132: 14
213: 7
231: 11
312: 6
321: 7
14-11-2015
total: 216
123: 5
132: 8
213: 6
231: 6
312: 12
321: 5
16-11-2015
total: 277
123: 13
132: 10
213: 8
231: 12
312: 4
321: 6
17-11-2015
total: 309
123: 10
132: 11
213: 13
231: 9
312: 8
321: 11
18-11-2015
total: 299
123: 9
132: 9
213: 6
231: 8
312: 15
321: 7
19-11-2015
total: 281
123: 15
132: 13
213: 12
231: 16
312: 9
321: 7
Thank you so much for the stats
Anyone have american pinwheel?
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 28, 10:20 AM 2015
So betting against 321 with a 1 3 9 progression would make a nice daily profit. So nothing fancy. Just bet against 321 of the pinwheel.
1 = pinwheel 1 and 4
2 = pinwheel 2 and 5
3 = pinwheel 3 and 6
Very nice!! I am very curious about this Pinwheel thing but cant find any information anywhere about it. Can someone give me a lead to where I can find info and those pinwheel??
Thanks!!!
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16390.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16390.0)
One: 14: 32,25,36,5,14,7,4,6,8,33,22,35
Two: 25: 15,17,11,24,31,28,21,27,23,1,18,3
Three: 36: 19,34,30,16,9,12,2,13,10,20,29,26
link:://:.kimoliroulette.com/ (link:://:.kimoliroulette.com/)
And just use google: Kimo Li pinwheel or just kimo li. You will get many usefull hits.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 28, 10:33 AM 2015
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16390.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16390.0)
Maybe I haven't drinked enough coffee this morning... Still dont get it... what are the numbers 14,25,36 means in front of the series?
Pinwheels:
14: 32,25,36,5,14,7,4,6,8,33,22,35
25: 15,17,11,24,31,28,21,27,23,1,18,3
36: 19,34,30,16,9,12,2,13,10,20,29,26
Simon.
I think you can ignore that
14 is pinwheel 1
25 is 2
36 is 3
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 28, 10:36 AM 2015
link:://:.kimoliroulette.com/ (link:://:.kimoliroulette.com/)
And just use google: Kimo Li pinwheel or just kimo li. You will get many usefull hits.
Thanks!! I had googled it but... didnt find anything interested...
I will try to explain. It's a bit hard because english is not my first language but i will try.
You see i make groups like dozens? Bet against 321.
Group 1 = pinwheel 1 and 4
Group 2 = pinwheel 2 and 5
Group 3 = pinwheel 3 and 6
Now look at the EU roulette wheel. Divide the wheel in six sectors:
Sector 1: 32 15 19 4 21 2
Pinwheel 1 is every first number of every sector: 32,25,36,5,14,7
I found another progression which was quite interesting and will look into some more and thats hermes progression on double dozen.
On this short test I played using denzie's way (betting the 3rd bet only) and waited for a unique again. (12 13 21 23 31 32)
We first bet 1 1, if we loose we bet 2 2, if we loose again we bet 4 4 and stick with 4 4 until we're in profit and go back to betting 1 1. Same with 2 2.
I will test this some more and show and see how this works.
I like the pinwheel method also, and will test it later this week.
dont know how grassroots does. But 12 unique did just fine
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 28, 11:12 AM 2015
I found another progression which was quite interesting and will look into some more and thats hermes progression on double dozen.
On this short test I played using denzie's way (betting the 3rd bet only) and waited for a unique again. (12 13 21 23 31 32)
We first bet 1 1, if we loose we bet 2 2, if we loose again we bet 4 4 and stick with 4 4 until we're in profit and go back to betting 1 1. Same with 2 2.
I will test this some more and show and see how this works.
I like the pinwheel method also, and will test it later this week.
Thats called the leveller progression
Great utilization of it on 3rd bet only denzies way
Great!
The only way to lose big denzies way is if there are a lot of uniques. Unlikely. Great for good MM
@celescliff. ..the leveller should work just fine. Although my feeling tells me it's more of a grind. Cuz I double my bets at -10.
Did you try a parlay already?
The best thing to do is test each way with the same spins. Then we know
Quote from: denzie on Dec 28, 11:33 AM 2015
@celescliff. ..the leveller should work just fine. Although my feeling tells me it's more of a grind. Cuz I double my bets at -10.
Did you try a parlay already?
The best thing to do is test each way with the same spins. Then we know
Maybe it is, we'll see. :)
No, I haven't yet. Could make a test for it with the same spins.
How far do you go with the parlay? 1 1 2 2 3 3 and reset?
Quote from: denzie on Dec 28, 01:24 AM 2015
You need glasses :yawn:
Like the ones in your picture?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 28, 06:16 AM 2015
I received a PM from someone who has made literally thousands of dollars playing against 123 and 321 dozens and columns
Bigger unit size
Says he wont post because of the negativity
Said hed rather talk in PM with like minded people who seek to make the method better rather then spend days trying to prove it is crap
So you know who you are, good job being anti what the forum is for and making people not post
Part of message shared with permission
See where being jacka**es gets? This guy makes good money with some tweaks of grassroots but wont post because of know it alls and the you cant win crowd,who probably havent tested any of these tweaks one bit but just wants to chime in
So instead of this guy joining in to make it better hes silent
Don't know if this is clear or not, but I'm not negative.
Not sure if I need to read further, but I'm still waiting for the trip
report. Forgive me if it's there later than this.
I can only read one word at a time. (And at that, only one letter).
Quote from: nextyear on Dec 28, 01:58 AM 2015
@ Mogul
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16390.new;topicseen#new (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16390.new;topicseen#new)
Thanks. For all the fanfare it's interesting to note that by
reply #17 in there he says "this does not work".
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 28, 09:55 AM 2015
I`m really starting to think if something like some type of cancellation or Fibonacci would work with something like this... Hmmm.....
I'll repeat what I said earlier for you Simon. Last tear I went on was to
play "last two dozens" with a labby. I made a variation where, after
2 losses I switched to last and 3rd back, and back again. It worked like
a charm for a few trips (on paper). Then it fell apart and lost 3
consecutive times. It was that last time that put the nail in the coffin.
I think the 1,2,5 thing might be a better direction.
I'll say more on this in a later post.
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 28, 10:47 AM 2015
I will try to explain. It's a bit hard because english is not my first language but i will try.
You see i make groups like dozens? Bet against 321.
Group 1 = pinwheel 1 and 4
Group 2 = pinwheel 2 and 5
Group 3 = pinwheel 3 and 6
Now look at the EU roulette wheel. Divide the wheel in six sectors:
Sector 1: 32 15 19 4 21 2
Pinwheel 1 is every first number of every sector: 32,25,36,5,14,7
A couple of things.
I don't know who's on here, but I'll NEVER see a euro wheel. So it's out.
Also, weather regular or rng, it is betting 2/3 of the table with
single bets (if I see this right) and would be logistically impossible
for time to place bets.
Still waiting for RG trip report from his casino trip
yesterday. And all I see is silence.
I remember when the internet was new, and you sent email.
And received some. And on some level you had the silly thought
that by not responding to the email it meant that you didn't get it.
Well here we go. "Money". "Mouth"..... put one where the other is.
This is, like, the 4th time I've mentioned it, and RG is playing that
"silence" hand.
A) Did you not actually go as you said you would?
b) Did you go...... And what happened..
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 28, 01:19 PM 2015
Still waiting for RG trip report from his casino trip
yesterday. And all I see is silence.
I remember when the internet was new, and you sent email.
And received some. And on some level you had the silly thought
that by not responding to the email it meant that you didn't get it.
Well here we go. "Money". "Mouth"..... put one where the other is.
This is, like, the 4th time I've mentioned it, and RG is playing that
"silence" hand.
A) Did you not actually go as you said you would?
b) Did you go...... And what happened..
Man. You are a riot
I did not get to go
I did things instead
Can you stop now
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 28, 01:19 PM 2015
Still waiting for RG trip report from his casino trip
yesterday. And all I see is silence.
I remember when the internet was new, and you sent email.
And received some. And on some level you had the silly thought
that by not responding to the email it meant that you didn't get it.
Well here we go. "Money". "Mouth"..... put one where the other is.
This is, like, the 4th time I've mentioned it, and RG is playing that
"silence" hand.
A) Did you not actually go as you said you would?
b) Did you go...... And what happened..
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 28, 12:05 PM 2015
Maybe it is, we'll see. :)
No, I haven't yet. Could make a test for it with the same spins.
How far do you go with the parlay? 1 1 2 2 3 3 and reset?
1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 reset
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 11:13 AM 2015
dont know how grassroots does. But 12 unique did just fine
oops forgot the slips
Quote from: denzie on Dec 28, 02:49 PM 2015
1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 reset
OK, so here we go again. Wearing my glasses now.
Wondering about the parlay. So if I bet 1 unit on 2 dozen and win,
I get 1 unit. How do I "parlay" that after a win? Do I add an
additional unit so that BOTH dozen has 2 units? If I only
bet 1 unit again, it is not a parlay.....
And that continues for 2-2 3-3 4-4..
denzie, not trying to trip you up, but bet slip 1 circled. How would you handle the last 6 mini games, lets presume you lose the 0-1-2
It's a double dozen parlay.
1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 , 5-5 , 8-8 , 12-12 , 18-18 , 27-27 , etc...
Now I wouldn't take it this far. But I'm sure you'll see how it works. Thx to GLC
Although many times I get very close to 10 steps and beyond. :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 03:59 PM 2015
denzie, not trying to trip you up, but bet slip 1 circled. How would you handle the last 6 mini games, lets presume you lose the 0-1-2
Can you give it in 3 spin minigame pls?
I'm not really understand your slips.
:-[
Quote from: denzie on Dec 28, 04:00 PM 2015
It's a double dozen parlay.
1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 , 5-5 , 8-8 , 12-12 , 18-18 , 27-27 , etc...
Now I wouldn't take it this far. But I'm sure you'll see how it works. Thx to GLC
Although many times I get very close to 10 steps and beyond. :thumbsup:
So when your at -10 you go 5-5, 8-8, 12-12 and so on? I want to make sure when I test your method this week that it's at accurate as possible. :thumbsup:
8-1
23-2
28-3
0-0
1-1
16-2 we'll presume you chose 3rd
16-2
4-1
27-3
11-1
24-2
28-3
34-3
14-2
12-1
17-2
34-3
30-3
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 28, 04:06 PM 2015
So when your at -10 you go 5-5, 8-8, 12-12 and so on? I want to make sure when I test your method this week that it's at accurate as possible. :thumbsup:
No you got me bit wrong. My main way is flat 1-1 till I get +10. Stop.
If I get many unique and I get -10 then I double my bets to 2-2 till I'm break even.
BR 30 units
Win goal 10 units.
----------------------------------------------------------------
For the parlay I start with 1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 stop and reset. If we win we get 11 units. If we lose then we lose 2 units.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Now the combo :
Flat 1-1 till +10 and stop. Or many unique came and where -10. Then we start our parlay instead of just double to 2-2
Cuz we got many losses (probably clustered) then our repeaters will come.
Also br 30 units
Win goal +10
I hope is clear
Quote from: denzie on Dec 28, 04:20 PM 2015
No you got me bit wrong. My main way is flat 1-1 till I get +10. Stop.
If I get many unique and I get -10 then I double my bets to 2-2 till I'm break even.
BR 30 units
Win goal 10 units.
----------------------------------------------------------------
For the parlay I start with 1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 stop and reset. If we win we get 11 units. If we lose then we lose 2 units.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Now the combo :
Flat 1-1 till +10 and stop. Or many unique came and where -10. Then we start our parlay instead of just double to 2-2
Cuz we got many losses (probably clustered) then our repeaters will come.
Also br 30 units
Win goal +10
I hope is clear
Clear for me. Thanks
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 04:15 PM 2015
8-1(1-2)
23-2(2-1)
28-3(3-1)
0-0(no bet)
1-1(1-2)
16-2(2-1) we'll presume you chose 3rd
16-2(2-1)
4-1(1-3)
27-3(3-1)
11-1(1-2)
24-2(2-1)
28-3(3-1)
34-3(3-1)
14-2(2-1)
12-1(1-3)
17-2(2-1)
34-3(3-1)
30-3 (3-1)
i think you're reading it wrong.
First number is the spin. Second number is the dozen.
That's why I didn't understand it. Sorry I play them horizontal. ...wait I'll redo them
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 04:15 PM 2015
8-1
23-2
28-3 bet 1-2 .... -2
0-0
1-1
16-2 bet 1-2 ....-1
16-2
4-1
27-3 bet 2-1 .... -3
11-1
24-2
28-3 bet 1-2.....-5
34-3
14-2
12-1 bet 3-2 ......-7
17-2
34-3
30-3 bet 2-3 .....-6
This is actually look like a rfh. But we're not even close to our 30u bust.
I said in the 2nd mini game you chose 3rd doz so you lose, this gets to -10, do you parley next time, not trying to find fault, just seemed a good chance for a demo
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 04:49 PM 2015
I said in the 2nd mini game you chose 3rd doz so you lose, this gets to -10, do you parley next time, not trying to find fault, just seemed a good chance for a demo
Then the total would be -9.
Cuz that last minigame we start our parlay at 1-1 ...
My apologies for misunderstanding :-\
Quote from: denzie on Dec 28, 04:20 PM 2015
No you got me bit wrong. My main way is flat 1-1 till I get +10. Stop.
If I get many unique and I get -10 then I double my bets to 2-2 till I'm break even.
BR 30 units
Win goal 10 units.
----------------------------------------------------------------
For the parlay I start with 1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 stop and reset. If we win we get 11 units. If we lose then we lose 2 units.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Now the combo :
Flat 1-1 till +10 and stop. Or many unique came and where -10. Then we start our parlay instead of just double to 2-2
Cuz we got many losses (probably clustered) then our repeaters will come.
Also br 30 units
Win goal +10
I hope is clear
Ok, so it's three strategies, then? first is flat to +10 and stop second is parlay to +11 and stop and third is flat but if -10 we use parlay to +10 and stop.
thanks
heres the rest of the games on sheet 2
20-2
22-2
32-3
24-2
32-3
6-1
15-1
2-1
32-3
29-3
4-1
31-3
26-3
35-3
7-1
3-1
36-3
33-3
35-3
6-1 i stopped here as the 12th unique won here
hope the parley gets the win
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 28, 04:58 PM 2015
Ok, so it's three strategies, then? first is flat to +10 and stop second is parlay to +11 and stop and third is flat but if -10 we use parlay to +10 and stop.
It are 3 different strategies. I play them all. Up to my feeling. Best is you test all 3 each time with the same spins. Then we know what's most profitable. But so far they all work.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 28, 05:02 PM 2015
It are 3 different strategies. I play them all. Up to my feeling. Best is you test all 3 each time with the same spins. Then we know what's most profitable. But so far they all work.
Alright, then, will do. :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 28, 04:59 PM 2015
thanks
heres the rest of the games on sheet 2
20-2
22-2
32-3 bet 2-3 ....-8
24-2
32-3
6-1 bet 2-3 .....-10...reset parlay
15-1
2-1
32-3 bet 1-3...-9 /bet 1-2 ....-12
29-3
4-1
31-3 bet 3-1 ...-8 / bet 1-2 ....-14
26-3
35-3
7-1 bet 3-1 ....-6/ bet 3-2 .....-16
3-1
36-3
33-3 bet 1-3 ....-3/ bet 1-3 -15
35-3
6-1 i stopped here as the 12th unique won here
hope the parley gets the win
Yes Den you can kind of get a feel as the numbers come.
on the 1st slip you can see its giving unique, but you know when you change it'll change, best see if you can ride it out.
If you play each result like 35 was 1st spin,so bet against 3, 2 came, win, if you carry on +1/-1, it comes out a winner.
Does it happen every time, who knows, perhaps celescliff could test it.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 28, 05:06 PM 2015
Alright, then, will do. :thumbsup:
Big thx. Much appreciated. :)
As long as one plays the 0/00 wheel there iis nothing to fear. All 2 dozen combinations are strong within themselves.
No comment on the single wheel combos.
Nathan Detroit
Here is 2 tests
To be honest I cannot remember if it is American Zumma or European smart live, dont know, dont care but i think it was zumma
The first chart is against previous 3 only when unique. 1 3 9 progression on FIRST BET ONLY of each mini game is something to consider. MOST wins are spin 1 or 2 of each mini game. want less risk? bet 1 unit, if lose wait until next mini game trigger then do 3 etc. would be very unlucky to have 3 unique mini games have the 1st spin repeat 3 times in a row. To clarify what i mean, when you have a unique and you bet against it just bet 1st spin win or lose. wait for next trigger, then do it again first bet only
The second chart is NickTheGreeks tweak, meaning: when a unique shows, bet against that unique continuously until a new unique shows, then bet against that unique continuously until another unique shows. I like it, I love it. most wins 1st column.
i think the 2 charts prove that this is a good strategy? its longer then my play, id be done row 5 or 6....
or COURSE it can and will lose at times.
but those 2 charts show you what we are dealing with. a solid method.
A continue of the last chart, this time 300 spins. Using the leveling strategy by hermes.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 28, 07:09 PM 2015
A continue of the last chart, this time 300 spins. Using the leveling strategy by hermes.
triggers only?
12
13
21
23
31
32
??
celes looking back to your OLD testing charts when you first got started, hermes leveller would have been very successful on the 1st bet only of each mini game. when you were testing against previous 3 comes to mind
:thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 28, 07:15 PM 2015
triggers only?
12
13
21
23
31
32
??
celes looking back to your OLD testing charts when you first got started, hermes leveller would have been very successful on the 1st bet only of each mini game. when you were testing against previous 3 comes to mind
:thumbsup:
Yes triggers only.
Great! :thumbsup:
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 28, 03:27 PM 2015
OK, so here we go again. Wearing my glasses now.
Wondering about the parlay. So if I bet 1 unit on 2 dozen and win,
I get 1 unit. How do I "parlay" that after a win? Do I add an
additional unit so that BOTH dozen has 2 units? If I only
bet 1 unit again, it is not a parlay.....
And that continues for 2-2 3-3 4-4..
it is painful watching you try to denounce method(s) without understanding them in the 1st place.
read and understand it all first. THEN denounce it all.
if you are a slow learner im not trying to make fun or be mean to you. just please TRY to read and read and read again.
2 more. I have a stop loss at 40 units (400).
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 28, 09:39 AM 2015
Denzie,
Yes you are right on this one. I have been doing some maths all morning and the 1,3,9 is definitely not the solution. Now that we are starting to have a good bet selection method, I guess it's time to spend more time on money management. I will have to try a few things.
Simon.
For my part, I use a shortened Fibo (start 1-2-3 instead of the usual 1-1-2-3) and on my 1st win after one or more loss, I parlay the win (if I'm at step 3 or more). With my budget, I use the Fibo 1-2-3-5-8-13, and like I said I parlay the 1st win after a loss(es), if I win it's back to 1 unit, otherwise next step in the Fibo.
pretty clever noreilles!!
Ok, I tested the parlay method, denzie. Maybe I didn't do it right, so I give you the chart, spins and balance for you to look at.
P = Parlay
Stop at +10 (100)
Information P
3 1 3 1
1 2 2 1
1 1 2 Bet 3 2
3 3 1 Bet 1 1
3 1 1 1
2 1 1 2
3 1 2 3
2 2 1 Bet 3 1
3 2 3 1
2 3 1 1
1 1 2 Bet 2 1
3 1 3 1
2 3 2 2
2 3 3 3
1 3 1 Reset 4
3 3 3 Bet 2 1
2 2 3 Bet 1 1
1 1 3 Bet 2 1
2 2 2 Bet 1 1
1 3 3 1
1 1 1 Bet 2 2
3 3 1 Bet 2 3
1 2 3 1
3 2 2 1
2 1 2 1
2 1 0 Insurance 2
1 3 3 3
1 2 2 Reset 4
1 3 2 1
2 2 2 Bet 1 1
2 2 3 Bet 1 1
1 3 3 1
1 1 3 Bet 2 1
3 2 2 1
3 2 2 1
3 2 1 2
1 2 1 1
1 2 2 1
3 3 1 Bet 1 2
2 1 3 3
3 2 2 1
3 1 1 1
2 3 2 2
1 1 3 Bet 3 3
1 1 3 Bet 3/Reset 4
1 3 3 1
3 3 2 Bet 2 1
2 1 3 2
2 1 2 1
2 2 2 Bet 3 1
1 3 2 2
2 1 1 1
2 3 1 1
3 3 2 Bet 2 1
2 3 2 1
3 3 3 Bet 1 2
2 3 2 3
1 1 1 Bet 3/Reset 4
3 3 2 Bet 2 1
3 3 2 Bet 1 1
2 3 2 1
0 2 1 Bet 1 1
1 1 2 Bet 2 2
+111
32
4
29
7
23
18
5
10
20
30
31
99
11
30
3
6
18
7
3
27
9
21
13
15
99
2
34
21
27
20
33
6
11
7
18
99
30
3
28
21
33
17
20
35
34
2
99
27
2
29
32
36
16
14
33
5
5
29
20
19
21
1
36
25
4
12
4
36
31
11
10
16
34
32
22
13
22
11
23
13
3
99
0
6
27
32
4
14
13
12
31
15
14
24
17
14
18
31
7
30
35
12
2
27
32
16
23
99
33
22
13
31
13
9
12
14
14
7
19
24
30
35
2
13
3
27
31
15
18
27
1
9
17
27
24
2
99
6
27
12
12
29
9
25
25
30
31
22
14
11
27
18
8
13
14
14
22
5
32
19
23
6
4
99
13
28
4
35
28
13
18
28
16
26
27
30
18
35
14
4
12
99
5
26
26
16
30
35
22
22
34
22
0
24
3
6
2
15
Same spin with the way I play. Stop at +10 (100).
Awesome that you test and graph
My mind is spinning on how i want to play next visit at B & M
Don't want to be a party popper.
Look at the layout of the dozens on the wheel and make an educated decision as to which 2 dozens your money has to be lost on?
Good luck all.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 28, 09:33 PM 2015
Ok, I tested the parlay method, denzie. Maybe I didn't do it right, so I give you the chart, spins and balance for you to look at.
P = Parlay
Stop at +10 (100)
Information P
3 1 3 1
1 2 2 1
1 1 2 Bet 3 2
3 3 1 Bet 1 1
3 1 1 1
2 1 1 2
3 1 2 3
2 2 1 Bet 3 1
3 2 3 1
2 3 1 1
1 1 2 Bet 2 1
3 1 3 1
2 3 2 2
2 3 3 3
1 3 1 Reset 4
3 3 3 Bet 2 1
2 2 3 Bet 1 1
1 1 3 Bet 2 1
2 2 2 Bet 1 1
1 3 3 1
1 1 1 Bet 2 2
3 3 1 Bet 2 3
1 2 3 1
3 2 2 1
2 1 2 1
2 1 0 Insurance 2
1 3 3 3
1 2 2 Reset 4
1 3 2 1
2 2 2 Bet 1 1
2 2 3 Bet 1 1
1 3 3 1
1 1 3 Bet 2 1
3 2 2 1
3 2 2 1
3 2 1 2
1 2 1 1
1 2 2 1
3 3 1 Bet 1 2
2 1 3 3
3 2 2 1
3 1 1 1
2 3 2 2
1 1 3 Bet 3 3
1 1 3 Bet 3/Reset 4
1 3 3 1
3 3 2 Bet 2 1
2 1 3 2
2 1 2 1
2 2 2 Bet 3 1
1 3 2 2
2 1 1 1
2 3 1 1
3 3 2 Bet 2 1
2 3 2 1
3 3 3 Bet 1 2
2 3 2 3
1 1 1 Bet 3/Reset 4
3 3 2 Bet 2 1
3 3 2 Bet 1 1
2 3 2 1
0 2 1 Bet 1 1
1 1 2 Bet 2 2
+111
32
4
29 ...1-1 (1)/1-1 (1)/1-1 (1)
7
23
18 ...1-1(2)/1-1(2)/1-1 (2)
5
10
20 ...1-1(3)/2-2 (4)/1-1 (3) Choose 2nd cuz dominant
30
31
99 ...1-1 (4)/3-3 (7)/1-1 (4) Choose 1st cuz also dominant.
11
30
3 ... 1-1 (5)/4-4 (11stop)/1-1 (5)
6
18
7 ...1-1 (6)/1-1 (1)/1-1 (6)
3
27
9 ... 1-1 (7)/1-1 (2)/1-1 (7)
21
13
15 ...1-1 (8)/2-2 (4)/1-1 (8)
99
2
34 ...1-1 (6)/1-1 (-2)/1-1 (6) Choose 2nd cuz my feel telling me it's still dominant. Not lol
21
27
20 ...1-1 (7)/1-1 (-1)/1-1 (7)
33
6
11 ...1-1 (8)/1-1 (0)/1-1 (8)
7
18
99 ...1-1 (9)/2-2 (2)/1-1 (9)
30
3
28 ...1-1 (10stop)/3-3 (5)/1-1 (10 stop)
21
33
17 etc...... I got +10 on all 3
20
35
34
2
99
27
2
29
32
36
16
14
33
5
5
29
20
19
21
1
36
25
4
12
4
36
31
11
10
16
34
32
22
13
22
11
23
13
3
99
0
6
27
32
4
14
13
12
31
15
14
24
17
14
18
31
7
30
35
12
2
27
32
16
23
99
33
22
13
31
13
9
12
14
14
7
19
24
30
35
2
13
3
27
31
15
18
27
1
9
17
27
24
2
99
6
27
12
12
29
9
25
25
30
31
22
14
11
27
18
8
13
14
14
22
5
32
19
23
6
4
99
13
28
4
35
28
13
18
28
16
26
27
30
18
35
14
4
12
99
5
26
26
16
30
35
22
22
34
22
0
24
3
6
2
15
First was flat and double after -10/ second parlay/ third was the combo
Oops the 8) should be 8.
And I think 99 suppose to be 9 ?
Anyway you get the point :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 04:40 AM 2015
Oops the 8) should be 8.
And I think 99 suppose to be 9 ?
Anyway you get the point :thumbsup:
No sorry 99 is dealer change. Rx named it, not me.
:)
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 28, 07:58 PM 2015
2 more. I have a stop loss at 40 units (400).
Which method? It's getting confusing. We should name them.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 29, 05:07 AM 2015
No sorry 99 is dealer change. Rx named it, not me.
:)
Oooooi pfff :-[
Anyway you get the point right? Test several tweaks with the same spins.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 07:35 AM 2015
Oooooi pfff :-[
Anyway you get the point right? Test several tweaks with the same spins.
Thats exactly what ive been doing with the charts i post
Quote from: Noreilles on Dec 28, 09:27 PM 2015
For my part, I use a shortened Fibo (start 1-2-3 instead of the usual 1-1-2-3) and on my 1st win after one or more loss, I parlay the win (if I'm at step 3 or more). With my budget, I use the Fibo 1-2-3-5-8-13, and like I said I parlay the 1st win after a loss(es), if I win it's back to 1 unit, otherwise next step in the Fibo.
Can you give a clear example pls ?
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 28, 09:33 PM 2015
Ok, I tested the parlay method, denzie. Maybe I didn't do it right, so I give you the chart, spins and balance for you to look at.
P = Parlay
Stop at +10 (100)
Information P
3 1 3 1
1 2 2 1
1 1 2 Bet 3 2
3 3 1 Bet 1 1
3 1 1 1
2 1 1 2
3 1 2 3
2 2 1 Bet 3 1
3 2 3 1
2 3 1 1
1 1 2 Bet 2 1
3 1 3 1
2 3 2 2
2 3 3 3
1 3 1 Reset 4
3 3 3 Bet 2 1
2 2 3 Bet 1 1
1 1 3 Bet 2 1
2 2 2 Bet 1 1
1 3 3 1
1 1 1 Bet 2 2
3 3 1 Bet 2 3
1 2 3 1
3 2 2 1
2 1 2 1
2 1 0 Insurance 2
1 3 3 3
1 2 2 Reset 4
1 3 2 1
2 2 2 Bet 1 1
2 2 3 Bet 1 1
1 3 3 1
1 1 3 Bet 2 1
3 2 2 1
3 2 2 1
3 2 1 2
1 2 1 1
1 2 2 1
3 3 1 Bet 1 2
2 1 3 3
3 2 2 1
3 1 1 1
2 3 2 2
1 1 3 Bet 3 3
1 1 3 Bet 3/Reset 4
1 3 3 1
3 3 2 Bet 2 1
2 1 3 2
2 1 2 1
2 2 2 Bet 3 1
1 3 2 2
2 1 1 1
2 3 1 1
3 3 2 Bet 2 1
2 3 2 1
3 3 3 Bet 1 2
2 3 2 3
1 1 1 Bet 3/Reset 4
3 3 2 Bet 2 1
3 3 2 Bet 1 1
2 3 2 1
0 2 1 Bet 1 1
1 1 2 Bet 2 2
+111
32
4
29
7
23
18
5
10
20
30
31
99
11
30
3
6
18
7
3
27
9
21
13
15
99
2
34
21
27
20
33
6
11
7
18
99
30
3
28
21
33
17
20
35
34
2
99
27
2
29
32
36
16
14
33
5
5
29
20
19
21
1
36
25
4
12
4
36
31
11
10
16
34
32
22
13
22
11
23
13
3
99
0
6
27
32
4
14
13
12
31
15
14
24
17
14
18
31
7
30
35
12
2
27
32
16
23
99
33
22
13
31
13
9
12
14
14
7
19
24
30
35
2
13
3
27
31
15
18
27
1
9
17
27
24
2
99
6
27
12
12
29
9
25
25
30
31
22
14
11
27
18
8
13
14
14
22
5
32
19
23
6
4
99
13
28
4
35
28
13
18
28
16
26
27
30
18
35
14
4
12
99
5
26
26
16
30
35
22
22
34
22
0
24
3
6
2
15
Thought i'd see how the 1st12 unique would do on celescliffs numbers, where the dealer change 99 i could work out whether they were a particular doz. Later could not so just ommited that spin. + £252
1 32 1
2 4 2
3 29 3
4 7 4
5 23 5
6 18 6
7 5 7
8 10 8
9 20 9
10 30 10
11 31 11
12 29 x
13 11 12
14 30 1 w +24
15 3 2
16 6 3
17 18 4
18 7 5
19 3 x
20 27 6
21 9 7
22 21 8
23 13 9
24 15 10
25 19 11
26 2 12
27 34 1 L
28 21 2 w +12
29 27 3
30 20 4
31 33 5
32 6 6
33 11 7
34 7 8
35 18 9
36 29 10
37 30 11
38 3 12
39 28 1 L
40 21 2 L
41 33 3 w +24
42 17 4
43 20 5
44 35 6
45 34 7
46 2 8
47 29 9
48 27 10
49 2 x
50 29 x
51 32 11
52 36 12
53 16 1 L
54 14 2 L
55 33 3 w +24
56 5 4
57 5 x
58 29 5
59 20 6
60 19 7
61 21 8
62 1 9
63 36 10
64 25 11
65 4 12
66 12 1 L
67 4 2 w +12
68 36 3
69 31 4
70 11 5
71 10 6
72 16 7
73 34 8
74 32 9
75 22 10
76 13 11
77 22 x
78 11 x
79 23 12
80 13 1 w +24
81 3 2
82 99 x
83 0 3
84 6 4
85 27 5
86 32 6
87 4 7
88 14 8
89 13 x
90 12 9
91 31 10
92 15 11
93 14 x
94 24 12
95 17 1 L
96 14 2 w +12
97 18 3
98 31 4
99 7 5
100 30 6
101 35 7
102 12 8
103 2 9
104 27 10
105 32 11
106 16 12
107 23 1 L
108 99 x x
109 33 2 L
110 22 3 L
111 13 4 L
112 31 5 L
113 13 x L
114 9 6 L
115 12 7 w +24
116 14 8
117 14 x
118 7 9
119 19 10
120 24 11
121 30 12
122 35 1 L
123 2 2 L
124 13 3 w +24
125 3 4
126 27 5
127 31 6
128 15 7
129 18 8
130 27 9
131 1 10
132 9 11
133 17 12
134 27 1 w +24
135 24 2
136 2 3
137 99 x
138 6 4
139 27 x
140 12 5
141 12 x
142 29 6
143 9 7
144 25 8
145 25 x
146 30 9
147 31 10
148 22 11
149 14 12
150 11 1 L
151 27 2 w +12
152 18 3
153 8 4
154 13 5
155 14 6
156 14 x
157 22 7
158 5 8
159 32 9
160 19 10
161 23 11
162 6 12
163 4 1 L
164 99 x x
165 13 2 w +12
166 28 3
167 4 x
168 35 4
169 28 x
170 13 x
171 18 5
172 28 x
173 16 6
174 26 7
175 27 8
176 30 9
177 18 x
178 35 x
179 14 10
180 4 x
181 12 11
182 99 x
183 5 12
184 26 w +24
185 26
186 16
187 30
188 35
189 22
190 22
191 34
192 22
193 0
194 24
195 3
196 6
197 15
+252
Quote from: denzie on Dec 28, 05:09 PM 2015
From reply 1175. The quote did not copy through.
At the risk of looking stupid again. And someone explain what
the difference is in the two columbs of play in that list? They
certainly come out different.
And BTW, FYI, the quote was a botch, but notice that I specified
what I was talking about rather than jusr referring to it, leaving
the work to you?
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 07:33 AM 2015
Which method? It's getting confusing. We should name them.
So you finally see my point?
I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, but discussion about
unspecified things is impossible.
@notto. ... what exactly are you doing? Or can you give the reply nr?
Mogul. Copy and paste what u do not understand and i will try to help you
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 08:43 AM 2015
@notto. ... what exactly are you doing? Or can you give the reply nr?
If its regarding reply 1200. I used the numbers celescliff posted to see whether 12 unique numbers would win.
As soon as the 12 win, collect the next 12 unique
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 04:38 AM 2015
First was flat and double after -10/ second parlay/ third was the combo
Referring to reply 1193.
Let me see if what I see is correct. Looks like Denzie is on track
with the method here.
1) Play mine games of 3. When dozen 1 and 2 are unique you bet
1 unit on each of them for the 3rd spin.
2) You wait for the next setup and do the same.
3) You stop when you win +10 or lose -30 stop loss.
4) If you win two in a row, you go to parlay mode. You take
the 2 units that you've won and add it and make 2-2 bets.
Take those 2 units and parlay to 3-3. And so on til you win +10.
5) If you are down -10 units you increase your base bet to 2 units.
Not sure how this effects the parlay thing.
Is this correct? That's all I am asking here.
The only other question I might have is that the examples (which
I don't entirely follow) seem to get wins of 24 units here and there
and add up to hundreds. Not sure what is going on there.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 07:35 AM 2015
Oooooi pfff :-[
Anyway you get the point right? Test several tweaks with the same spins.
I get the point. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 07:33 AM 2015
Which method? It's getting confusing. We should name them.
Agreed, it's getting more and more confusing. The chart was from the way I play it with level progression 1-1 2-2 4-4 and stick to 4-4 til in profit.
I'm really thinking about making an excel tutorial where 1 sheet is from each tweak that has been shared to the public. So one sheet is named denzie, another sheet is named rouletteghost, thelaw, celescliff, raymanz, nick-the-greek, amk and so on. When it's done, maybe onetaste could post it in the first page and if we have another tweak, we add it in the excel file. Just to keep things more organized.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 29, 07:52 AM 2015
Thought i'd see how the 1st12 unique would do on celescliffs numbers, where the dealer change 99 i could work out whether they were a particular doz. Later could not so just ommited that spin. + £252
1 32 1
2 4 2
3 29 3
4 7 4
5 23 5
6 18 6
7 5 7
8 10 8
9 20 9
10 30 10
11 31 11
12 29 x
13 11 12
14 30 1 w +24
15 3 2
16 6 3
17 18 4
18 7 5
19 3 x
20 27 6
21 9 7
22 21 8
23 13 9
24 15 10
25 19 11
26 2 12
27 34 1 L
28 21 2 w +12
29 27 3
30 20 4
31 33 5
32 6 6
33 11 7
34 7 8
35 18 9
36 29 10
37 30 11
38 3 12
39 28 1 L
40 21 2 L
41 33 3 w +24
42 17 4
43 20 5
44 35 6
45 34 7
46 2 8
47 29 9
48 27 10
49 2 x
50 29 x
51 32 11
52 36 12
53 16 1 L
54 14 2 L
55 33 3 w +24
56 5 4
57 5 x
58 29 5
59 20 6
60 19 7
61 21 8
62 1 9
63 36 10
64 25 11
65 4 12
66 12 1 L
67 4 2 w +12
68 36 3
69 31 4
70 11 5
71 10 6
72 16 7
73 34 8
74 32 9
75 22 10
76 13 11
77 22 x
78 11 x
79 23 12
80 13 1 w +24
81 3 2
82 99 x
83 0 3
84 6 4
85 27 5
86 32 6
87 4 7
88 14 8
89 13 x
90 12 9
91 31 10
92 15 11
93 14 x
94 24 12
95 17 1 L
96 14 2 w +12
97 18 3
98 31 4
99 7 5
100 30 6
101 35 7
102 12 8
103 2 9
104 27 10
105 32 11
106 16 12
107 23 1 L
108 99 x x
109 33 2 L
110 22 3 L
111 13 4 L
112 31 5 L
113 13 x L
114 9 6 L
115 12 7 w +24
116 14 8
117 14 x
118 7 9
119 19 10
120 24 11
121 30 12
122 35 1 L
123 2 2 L
124 13 3 w +24
125 3 4
126 27 5
127 31 6
128 15 7
129 18 8
130 27 9
131 1 10
132 9 11
133 17 12
134 27 1 w +24
135 24 2
136 2 3
137 99 x
138 6 4
139 27 x
140 12 5
141 12 x
142 29 6
143 9 7
144 25 8
145 25 x
146 30 9
147 31 10
148 22 11
149 14 12
150 11 1 L
151 27 2 w +12
152 18 3
153 8 4
154 13 5
155 14 6
156 14 x
157 22 7
158 5 8
159 32 9
160 19 10
161 23 11
162 6 12
163 4 1 L
164 99 x x
165 13 2 w +12
166 28 3
167 4 x
168 35 4
169 28 x
170 13 x
171 18 5
172 28 x
173 16 6
174 26 7
175 27 8
176 30 9
177 18 x
178 35 x
179 14 10
180 4 x
181 12 11
182 99 x
183 5 12
184 26 w +24
185 26
186 16
187 30
188 35
189 22
190 22
191 34
192 22
193 0
194 24
195 3
196 6
197 15
+252
Raymanz you could be right, just bet 3 times 12,12,24 if lose be minus 48, so the above would still be up
Can someone resume the tweaks. I will post excel tracker / tester for all them.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 29, 11:14 AM 2015
I get the point. :thumbsup:
Agreed, it's getting more and more confusing. The chart was from the way I play it with level progression 1-1 2-2 4-4 and stick to 4-4 til in profit.
I'm really thinking about making an excel tutorial where 1 sheet is from each tweak that has been shared to the public. So one sheet is named denzie, another sheet is named rouletteghost, thelaw, celescliff, raymanz, nick-the-greek, amk and so on. When it's done, maybe onetaste could post it in the first page and if we have another tweak, we add it in the excel file. Just to keep things more organized.
Agreed. I plan on making a PDF file with all the tweaks and explanations and posting it after new years.
I will start a blog and post my trip reports
My bankroll isnt as healthy as id like it to be hence the delay
Tonight im planning on something like this:
Table 1 - bet against 123. Win leave table
Table 2 - wait for unique. Bet against it. Win. Leave table
Table 3 - bet against 321. Win. Leave table
Table 4 - AMK opposite
This is what im feeling for later
Denzies tweak maybe table 5. Not sure yet.
4 unit win goal
$20 units
Breakeven progression. 1 2 5
I was going to start a blog with trip reports but im not too popular here lately so ill just post them here in this thread
You have a blog space over at betselection.cc, why not post them there ?
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 29, 11:46 AM 2015
You have a blog space over at betselection.cc, why not post them there ?
O0
Not as busy. But thanks for noticing
Have any mehods or tests to post yet for any method? Or any trip report? Or roulette related talk?
No, of course not ;) still testing away trying to solve the puzzle.....
Ppl tend to get in a huff at my questions, so I'm going to stop asking them for a while at least.....
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 29, 11:57 AM 2015
No, of course not ;) still testing away trying to solve the puzzle.....
Ppl tend to get in a huff at my questions, so I'm going to stop asking them for a while at least.....
O0
No huff here. Just askin if you had anything. Yet
Ive always been a good judge of wise a** questions by the way
:thumbsup:
Imagine a forum of only posters like you. LMAO
there is, a private forum full of fair minded, knowledgeable, intelligent ppl working as a unit
to solve the puzzle ;)
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 29, 12:02 PM 2015
there is, a private forum full of fair minded, knowledgeable, intelligent ppl working as a unit
to solve the puzzle ;)
O0
Awesome
O0
Ok let's make a list. What we got so far?
Onetaste 123
RaymanZ uniques
Celescliff leveller
Denzies flat
Denzies parlay
.... just quote and fill in pls....
We could post our spins and see which one makes profit. Or we need a private chat? Not sure what's best. Cuz maybe other's are tired of seeing grass everywhere
Perhaps start a testing thread for each method ?
Strict method of play, followed by testing.....
No of spins/No of bets/highest & low drawdown/ graphs etc etc
O0
That's an option. I've got 3 already :wink:
Let's hear what the creators and guys who helped say
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 11:38 AM 2015
Agreed. I plan on making a PDF file with all the tweaks and explanations and posting it after new years.
I will start a blog and post my trip reports
My bankroll isnt as healthy as id like it to be hence the delay
Tonight im planning on something like this:
Table 1 - bet against 123. Win leave table
Table 2 - wait for unique. Bet against it. Win. Leave table
Table 3 - bet against 321. Win. Leave table
Table 4 - AMK opposite
This is what im feeling for later
Denzies tweak maybe table 5. Not sure yet.
4 unit win goal
$20 units
Breakeven progression. 1 2 5
I was going to start a blog with trip reports but im not too popular here lately so ill just post them here in this thread
RG, for whatever it's worth, I think you're a good guy. I'm all for crashing
heads and ideas and working to a goal. That's all I'm here for.
Although, in looking at the "karma" rating (which I just noticed recently
cause I was trying to see what options were available on the forum),
I notice you had -15 and now it's -16. I didn't do any of them.
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 12:42 PM 2015
That's an option. I've got 3 already :wink:
Let's hear what the creators and guys who helped say
Just trying to cut down on "all the grass" here.....
Suggestions are limited to "creators and guys who helped" ?
Fine, yet again I will go away.....
O0
BTW how goes that Parlay Bet Denize ?
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 29, 12:49 PM 2015
BTW how goes that Parlay Bet Denize ?
North , thx for asking ;)
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 12:52 PM 2015
North , thx for asking ;)
Congratulations ;)
Yet your testing the grassroots plus tweaks as well.
Guess you cannot have enough winning systems......
O0
I get your sarcasm. But I still prefer a method that doesn't involve hours and hours. But you probably know that.
So back on topic Mr afro
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 29, 12:46 PM 2015
Although, in looking at the "karma" rating (which I just noticed recently
cause I was trying to see what options were available on the forum),
I notice you had -15 and now it's -16. I didn't do any of them.
Not too worried about that anymore
Just internet keyboard warriors. Probably multiple alias posters
Remember. Misery loves company.
When people see someone posting and engaging heavily, if that person is a hater because they dont have the will to test and post themselves, then they will hate. aka smite
Doesnt bother me anymore i welcome it. Shows im doing something right
Guarantee half the smites are from jealousy
I want to have 20 by 4PM
At the end of the day we are here for the same reason. Smite me for posting tests and tweaking and being in this 100% ?? Im cool with it
Haters gon' hate
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 01:02 PM 2015
So back on topic Mr afro
fair enough, final point......
you say you don't wish to play hours & hours, but a couple of these tweaks have v v v few bets per hour.
So I'm sure you can cross off some of them, and focus your testing on those others :thumbsup:
O0
@RG I think 3 maybe 4 of your smites are me, honest to God it's somebody else that's got it in for
you smite-wise.......
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 29, 01:18 PM 2015
@RG I think 3 maybe 4 of your smites are me, honest to God it's somebody else that's got it in for
you smite-wise.......
Lol. Really its ok. Have at it
I just find it hilarious you gloat that you have inteliigent group of friends brainstorming yet you come here to ask wise as* questions. Bored?
I can contribute excel tracker for pinwheel and columns for all tweaks....Original over to denzie, amk and so on...but maybe we wait for orochi...his software and Trackers are very good. Loved the mst.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 01:21 PM 2015
I just find it hilarious you gloat that you have inteliigent group of friends brainstorming yet you come here to ask wise as* questions. Bored?
I wasn't gloating, you laughed at the thought of a "forum full of posters like me"
We won't be "awesome" until we crack it.
Hope Springs Eternal......
O0
Just think with me, give me the answer,
What is the probability of a dozen hit 6 times in a row ?
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 29, 01:41 PM 2015
I wasn't gloating, you laughed at the thought of a "forum full of posters like me"
We won't be "awesome" until we crack it.
Hope Springs Eternal......
O0
You come here with a dwindle of hope you may find it. Thats the only reason. However you dont contribute. A leech. A freeloader. A peasant.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: Azim on Dec 28, 11:23 PM 2015
Don't want to be a party popper.
Look at the layout of the dozens on the wheel and make an educated decision as to which 2 dozens your money has to be lost on?
Good luck all.
It's "pooper". So what's the answer?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 01:43 PM 2015
You come here with a dwindle of hope you may find it. Thats the only reason. However you dont contribute. A leech. A freeloader. A peasant.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I doubt I will find here but after all I'm
not looking for it here.....
Sticks & Stones dude, you can name call all you wish......
I won't come down to that level.
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Dec 29, 01:55 PM 2015
I doubt I will find here but after all I'm not looking for it here.....
Sticks & Stones dude, you can name call all you wish......
I won't come down to that level.
O0
You take the subtle "im just asking questions" approach. Clever
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 29, 01:42 PM 2015
Just think with me, give me the answer,
What is the probability of a dozen hit 6 times in a row ?
The aswer is:
(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37) = 0,0011637967 = 0,1163796728%
Approximately equal: 1/860
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now let's check the probability of lossing betting the basic Grassroot (against last 3 dozens, or last 3 uniques dozens...... math speaking it is all the same odds no matter u do switch from dozen to collumns or wait for uniques...etc)
Probability of Unique Dozen Appear in Unique Pattern 3,2,1
(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37) = 0,0341144651 = 3,4114465086%
Approximately equal: 1/29
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What i recommend
Maybe is smarter to track for 6 block of spins and if the 1st block of 3 dozen match the same of the 2nd block u got a pattern.
Then bet against it.
Example:
1,2,3,1,2,3
1,1,1,1,1,1
2,2,1,2,2,1
How to bet this is the most difficult part, need to find the best option:
a) double dozen parlay 1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 , 5-5
b) Fibo 1-2-3-5-8-13
Parlay the win (if at step 3 or more). Parlay the 1st win after a loss(es), if I win it's back to 1 unit, otherwise next step in the Fibo.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 01:56 PM 2015
You take the subtle "im just asking questions" approach. Clever
I'm mulling about taking a break from asking questions.
Ppl seem to get miffed by them.....
I think I will leave them to work it out for themselves :thumbsup:
O0
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 29, 02:33 PM 2015
The aswer is:
(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37) = 0,0011637967 = 0,1163796728%
Approximately equal: 1/860
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now let's check the probability of lossing betting the basic Grassroot (against last 3 dozens, or last 3 uniques dozens...... math speaking it is all the same odds no matter u do switch from dozen to collumns or wait for uniques...etc)
Probability of Unique Dozen Appear in Unique Pattern 3,2,1
(12/37)*(12/37)*(12/37) = 0,0341144651 = 3,4114465086%
Approximately equal: 1/29
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What i recommend
Maybe is smarter to track for 6 block of spins and if the 1st block of 3 dozen match the same of the 2nd block u got a pattern.
Then bet against it.
Example:
1,2,3,1,2,3
1,1,1,1,1,1
2,2,1,2,2,1
How to bet this is the most difficult part, need to find the best option:
a) double dozen parlay 1-1 , 1-1 , 2-2 , 3-3 , 4-4 , 5-5
b) Fibo 1-2-3-5-8-13
Parlay the win (if at step 3 or more). Parlay the 1st win after a loss(es), if I win it's back to 1 unit, otherwise next step in the Fibo.
Thank you!
Orochi. 1/29 you will see a unique like 321. So when you see a unique bet against it?
So
321
Now bet against 321 for 3 spins stopping on a win
Your math says
A unique LIKE 321
1 out of 29
So whats chances of
321
321
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 02:50 PM 2015
Orochi. 1/29 you will see a unique like 321. So when you see a unique bet against it?
So
321
Now bet against 321 for 3 spins stopping on a win
Your math says
A unique LIKE 321
1 out of 29
So whats chances of
321
321
Let me explain clear
To appear:
3,2,1
3,2,1
The odds will be 1 out 860
But imagine that in 3 spins u get
3,2,1
The odds to get again 3,2,1 will be 1 out of 29
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 29, 03:01 PM 2015
Let me explain clear
To appear:
3,2,1
3,2,1
The odds will be 1 out 860
But imagine that in 3 spins u get
3,2,1
The odds to get again 3,2,1 will be 1 out of 29
Thank you
So if i see a unique i will take my chances and bet against that unique
I understand what you say with 1 out of 860 but really 1 out of 29
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 29, 03:01 PM 2015
To appear:
3,2,1
3,2,1
The odds will be 1 out 860
Orochi
In your opinion if you see a unique is it good to bet against with 1 out of 860?
Enough mind games and yakking. Thx.
Soooo.can we team up ? Those who are interested can write or pm. Let's get busy.
I wanna test all our tweaks. Many together is better then one. all with the same spins. Nice and organised. Any suggestions. .....
I am in denzie
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 03:20 PM 2015
Orochi
In your opinion if you see a unique is it good to bet against with 1 out of 860?
U dont need a unique.
U see a sequence like
3,2,1 3,2,1
or
2,1,1 2,1,1
Bet against it!
It can be in columms or dozens
Keep em coming. So you probably good with the pinwheel?
I'm in also. :)
We should make game rules..
Like one of the rules i go by is that I only play 60 spins at a time. Thats about an hours play at airball
If im up around spin 54 I just sit out and watch the rest of the spins until 60
Guys any ideias for a bet selection to apply for 6 bet levels?
Example against : 3,2,1,3,2,1 ?!?
U need to go 6 levels to be 1/860 chance of lost
Parlay,fibo,labby?!?
If we have strict rules to follow (BR, number of spins and so on) people can get started. I'm at work now so my test will come later but that doesn't matter, as long as its coming. :)
I will play my levelling.
So what rules should we apply?
Rules? No airball, no rng.
The perms from Duisburg are free to Download.
If we use the Same Numbers, the result is much more comparable.
Sadly Duisburg Casino spins are euro Wheel results. Not good for all the Players here with no Access to Euro wheels.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 29, 03:47 PM 2015
Rules? No airball, no rng.
The perms from Duisburg are free to Download.
If we use the Same Numbers, the result is much more comparable.
Sadly Duisburg Casino spins are euro Wheel results. Not good for all the Players here with no Access to Euro wheels.
My airball shows uniques as it should.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Dec 29, 03:47 PM 2015
Rules? No airball, no rng.
The perms from Duisburg are free to Download.
If we use the Same Numbers, the result is much more comparable.
Sadly Duisburg Casino spins are euro Wheel results. Not good for all the Players here with no Access to Euro wheels.
Ofcourse no rng. :)
Orochi
You are very smart
One more question
Whats difference of betting against 321 after seeing
321
Or
321
321
Thanks
Interesting live game to test
22 6 5 2 1 1
34 33 16 3 3 2
35 7 24 3 1 2
29 11 26 3 1 3
29 8 4 3 1 1
19 36 7 2 3 1
27 26 22 3 3 2
27 28 28 3 3 3
35 0 0 3 0 0
28 6 13 3 1 2
4 35 22 1 3 2
19 3 35 2 1 3
33 24 27 3 2 3
10 34 27 1 3 3
0 36 10 0 3 1
27 24 18 3 2 2
14 32 3 2 3 1
31 36 18 3 3 2
30 23 24 3 2 2
28 8 22 3 1 2
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Dec 29, 04:02 PM 2015
Interesting live game to test
22 6 5 2 1 1
34 33 16 3 3 2
35 7 24 3 1 2
29 11 26 3 1 3
29 8 4 3 1 1
19 36 7 2 3 1
27 26 22 3 3 2
27 28 28 3 3 3
35 0 0 3 0 0
28 6 13 3 1 2
4 35 22 1 3 2
19 3 35 2 1 3
33 24 27 3 2 3
10 34 27 1 3 3
0 36 10 0 3 1
27 24 18 3 2 2
14 32 3 2 3 1
31 36 18 3 3 2
30 23 24 3 2 2
28 8 22 3 1 2
All winners against uniques. Good one
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 03:55 PM 2015
Orochi
You are very smart
One more question
Whats difference of betting against 321 after seeing
321
Or
321
321
Thanks
Look this way:
A) Dozen 1 hit 3 times in a row
A) Dozen 1 hit 6 times in a row
Where u prefer to bet? Where u have the best chances of winning betting against dozen 1?!
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 29, 04:13 PM 2015
Look this way:
A) Dozen 1 hit 3 times in a row
A) Dozen 1 hit 6 times in a row
Where u prefer to bet? Where u have the best chances of winning betting against dozen 1?!
So do past spins matter. YES
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 04:18 PM 2015
So do past spins matter. YES
If u can bet after 1,3,2 1,3,2 appear the odds of lossing will be the same as dozen 1 hit 12 times in a row
Betting 2,1 / 1,2 / 3,1 / 2,1 / 1,2 / 3,1
like i said 6 bets
Change of loosing:
0,000135%
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 29, 04:22 PM 2015
If u can bet after 1,3,2 1,3,2 appear the odds of lossing will be the same as dozen 1 hit 12 times in a row
Ok sounds good to me
What about just
132
Then bet against 132 after seeing it once
One in 860 times you will lose? As per the math
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 04:25 PM 2015
Ok sounds good to me
What about just
132
Then bet against 132 after seeing it once
One in 860 times you will lose? As per the math
Wrong, 1/29 since u virtual w8 for 132 to appear.
U need to bet 1,3,2 1,3,2 to get 1/860 odds.
Other example: u waiting and tracking u get
1,3,2,1,3,2
If u bet against 1,3,2 pattern in the next 3 spins the chance of lossing are 1/256
Hmmm a parlay could work or Noreilles his tweak as you said
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 29, 04:32 PM 2015
Wrong, 1/29 since u virtual w8 for 132 to appear.
U need to bet 1,3,2 1,3,2 to get 1/860 odds.
Other example: u waiting and tracking u get
1,3,2,1,3,2
If u bet against 1,3,2 pattern in the next 3 spins the chance of lossing are 1/256
So
See
132
Bet against that. 1 in 29 lose
132
132
Bet against that 1 in 860. Gotcha
I'm in also, I'll test my way (play after 3 uniques doz or col, then bet same positions on col or doz, with my MM). I will be back home tomorrow, so in 24h I'll be able to start then.
Quote from: Noreilles on Dec 29, 06:45 PM 2015
I'm in also, I'll test my way (play after 3 uniques doz or col, then bet same positions on col or doz, with my MM). I will be back home tomorrow, so in 24h I'll be able to start then.
En route to casino now. Airball
Dont forget to track the 12 unique, like raymanz said bet for 3 spins 12,12,24
GOOD LUCK
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 29, 06:51 PM 2015
Dont forget to track the 12 unique, like raymanz said bet for 3 spins 12,12,24
GOOD LUCK
Ill have a baccarat card and i will track
But i plan hit and run
>:D
Here's a new idea that I thought of.
I was sitting back, watching the deadliest catch, sipping coffee,
thinking about everyone I love here.
And I thought, "What about seeing a result and betting the next 3 that
a different dozen appear."? Or wait for 2 dozen and play against 3.
Simple thought. But a 1,3,9 loses 28 units on a loss. I figure you'd hit
more than that playing that way. How many long streaks are there?
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 29, 07:33 PM 2015
I was sitting back, watching the deadliest catch, sipping coffee,
thinking about everyone I love here.
I think I like you now that made me laugh out loud
:twisted:
Just thought i'd poke my head in and get a briefing on the new tweaks and such. What's good with ya fellas?
Trip report. From casino parking lot on my cell phone
Overall: success. Won $137. For some thats 10 units for others thats 1 unit
What i did: all airball. Against 123. Id walk up to table bet dozens 2 and 3. If lose 1 and 3. If lose 1 and 2.
Used a break even progression.
I saw something tonight that makes me re-think airball. The ball landed. Then in a weird way rolled over into the other pocket. Maybe im paranoid or maybe it was a magnet. I dont know
I was up $100 using $10 units. It took time because on spin 2 or 3 i only broke even
$100 wasnt enough for me. I said hey lets change it up.
So then i bet against 231. Guess what happened. 231 happened. This is when the ball made the weird manuever that seemed impossible into pocket next to it. It landed on 6. This was the last step of 231. I was down to $100 (this time i was using larger units)
I was very upset that i had "lost"
Out of frustration i spread $10 chips out. Hit. Win $360
Then i went to another machine and bet against 123. Did that until i got up to 400.
Went to electronic blackjack. Hit blackjack immediately.
Then i was out
This is what i hate about small units. You prolong your exposure.
This is why tamino says 20% win goal. Sigh
Need to use larger units asap so i can be in and out. Because had i been playing with $25 id be done in 15 minutes 4 units bye bye. $10 unit 20% isn't worth it
Small units with large win goal is too much exposure
Got pictures for mogul
My advice. 20% win goal and this method is safe.
Also, i made sure i saw 123 on history board which was my goal anyway. It was on all of them and two times it was twice
Quote from: denzie on Dec 29, 03:27 PM 2015
Enough mind games and yakking. Thx.
Soooo.can we team up ? Those who are interested can write or pm. Let's get busy.
I wanna test all our tweaks. Many together is better then one. all with the same spins. Nice and organised. Any suggestions. .....
Yeah. I'm ready for it. Is there a way to start a private thread? I have a website and a blog, I could install a Simple Machines board or a wiki on it if people that produce results are interested in collaboration.
Too bad we may have to do that but I am a little bit tired of trying to find the good posts thru the other not-interesting posts.
Just let me know.
Do it.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 09:41 PM 2015
Overall: success. Won $137. For some thats 10 units for others thats 1 unit
Wow! That is just too freaking hot!!
Congrats!!!
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 29, 10:43 PM 2015
Wow! That is just too freaking hot!!
Congrats!!!
My sarcasm detector just peaked
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 10:46 PM 2015
My sarcasm detector just peaked
No, really mean it... :ooh:
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 29, 10:37 PM 2015
Yeah. I'm ready for it. Is there a way to start a private thread? I have a website and a blog, I could install a Simple Machines board or a wiki on it if people that produce results are interested in collaboration.
Too bad we may have to do that but I am a little bit tired of trying to find the good posts thru the other not-interesting posts.
Just let me know.
Im proud to be the one who has had this happen for a second time. Lol
A good idea cannot be stopped
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 07:43 PM 2015
I think I like you now that made me laugh out loud
:twisted:
How so?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 09:41 PM 2015
Out of frustration i spread $10 chips out. Hit. Win $360
What does this means? You placed your bets somewhere else randomly?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 09:41 PM 2015
Out of frustration i spread $10 chips out. Hit. Win $360
I'm with Drazen. This shows you are out of control. It also shows that the system doesnt present a superior bet selection which is less than the house edge
Listen RG, take my advice or leave it.
You are on nearly 3000 posts. I have seen this many times
You are desperate to try roulette as you think its beatable with some idea that has been around for 100 years (Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea)
It takes more.
You think you can walk in the lions cage and you have a plan to not be his next meal.
Even lion handlers with 40 years experience still push the food through the bars with a big stickI think you will fall badly and lose a lot of money if you carry on with your current attitude to roulette.
No offence intended. Just think.
Actually i won 10 units flawlessly using the original as author intended grassroots
Which was about double my win goal so i overstayed my welcome
I wanted more so i decided to change my betting
At that point i lost
Then i won it back and then i got back to 10 units profit using the original grassroots idea
I only brought 1/4th my roulette bankroll to the casino.
I had a good time
New airball machines with nice leather and touch pads
Thanks for the advice but grassroots is a good staking plan (and its variations)
fair enough. None of us listen I guess. All my knowledge is from experience. Mostly bad.
Later i will post a concept betting selection for this, when i get back from work.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 06:54 AM 2015
Later i will post a concept betting selection for this, when i get back from work.
Look forward to i will be back tonight
This time 5 unit win goal no MATTER WHAT
Quote from: Turner on Dec 30, 06:49 AM 2015
All my knowledge is from experience. Mostly bad.
Guys can I kindly ask few replies on this. I think it is really interesting question for this thread.
I often wonder did people who are hating math guys for being negative on forums ever wondered if at least one of them EVER so bravely stepped out of his own comfort zone and try to play some method/system for real, despite all negative computer simulations of his, to see whether it can be significant difference in results when putting real money to the table?
I think it would be enough only one math guy with such experience to get a ground for shutting up all possible naysayers.
I never heard: hey I am a math guy but all math sucks here. Don't trust it and just go play for real.
So 2 possible bets:
1. Either not even one math guy did not neglected his simulations and went to play for real.
2. All his math theory really meets the practice sooner or later, no matter what he tried
Best
Drazen
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 30, 08:08 AM 2015
Guys can I kindly ask few replies on this. I think it is really interesting question for this thread.
I often wonder did people who are hating math guys for being negative on forums ever wondered if at least one of them EVER so bravely stepped out of his own comfort zone and try to play some method/system for real, despite all negative computer simulations of his, to see whether it can be significant difference in results when putting real money to the table?
I think it would be enough only one math guy with such experience to get a ground for shutting up all possible naysayers.
I never heard: hey I am a math guy but all math sucks here. Don't trust it and just go play for real.
So 2 possible bets:
1. Either not even one math guy did not neglected his simulations and went to play for real.
2. All his math theory really meets the practice sooner or later, no matter what he tried
Best
Drazen
Cant get around the math of roulette. It is what it is
Thats why i believe betting against fixed patterns. It is hard for a random entitiy to spit out fixed patterns
See orochis post
For the wheel to do
123
123
123
Three times in a row is 1 in over 800.
Thats not bad odds for an unbeatable game
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 30, 02:58 AM 2015
What does this means? You placed your bets somewhere else randomly?
I think that's exactly what happened. He was falling apart, made
a "hail mary" bet, and got lucky. So he pulled himself out of
disaster.
I'll give RG credit though. Nice trip report.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 06:46 AM 2015
Actually i won 10 units flawlessly using the original as author intended grassroots
Which was about double my win goal so i overstayed my welcome
I wanted more so i decided to change my betting
At that point i lost
Then i won it back and then i got back to 10 units profit using the original grassroots idea
I only brought 1/4th my roulette bankroll to the casino.
I had a good time
New airball machines with nice leather and touch pads
Thanks for the advice but grassroots is a good staking plan (and its variations)
RG, I'm glad you won, and glad you gave a truthful trip report.
But he is right. At some point you have to not slip into "fun mode",
and treat it like a business. Not that having fun is bad.
I quit drinking 14 years ago. A ways before that, when I went to the casino
I would not drink while there. I would get plastered later. (Not my best
memories). That is not an example of good discipline. But I WAS able
to compartmentalize my behavior.
Quote from: Drazen on Dec 30, 08:08 AM 2015
Guys can I kindly ask few replies on this. I think it is really interesting question for this thread.
I often wonder did people who are hating math guys for being negative on forums ever wondered if at least one of them EVER so bravely stepped out of his own comfort zone and try to play some method/system for real, despite all negative computer simulations of his, to see whether it can be significant difference in results when putting real money to the table?
I think it would be enough only one math guy with such experience to get a ground for shutting up all possible naysayers.
I never heard: hey I am a math guy but all math sucks here. Don't trust it and just go play for real.
So 2 possible bets:
1. Either not even one math guy did not neglected his simulations and went to play for real.
2. All his math theory really meets the practice sooner or later, no matter what he tried
Best
Drazen
I think that people who hate the math guys hate them because they are disruptive.
I look at gambling play like a wave pool. So you jump in for the ride one way or
the other. All the water stays in the pool. And that shorter term approach is
what people who believe you can win use.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 30, 08:37 AM 2015
I think that's exactly what happened. He was falling apart, made
a "hail mary" bet, and got lucky. So he pulled himself out of
disaster.
I'll give RG credit though. Nice trip report.
I deviated. Thats why
I played the original as in post #1
After winning 10 units i decided to change the bet. Then i lost
Placed a savior bet which worked. Then continued with the original and got back my 10 units profit. See post 1 thats what i did
I had fun
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 08:56 AM 2015
I had fun
I think it is all resumed in those 3 words. Nothing else matter. That is why we all do it. Maths, no maths... Odds, no odds... At the end It does not really matter. As long as we are having fun.
We are not trying to find the cure for cancer here. Just to have fun trying to win at an unbeatable game.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 30, 09:03 AM 2015
I think it is all resumed in those 3 words. Nothing else matter. That is why we all do it. Maths, no maths... Odds, no odds... At the end It does not really matter. As long as we are having fun.
We are not trying to find the cure for cancer here. Just to have fun trying to win at an unbeatable game.
Yeah, but leaving ahead facilitates that. Leaving a loser doesn't. My whole life
I've said that "it hurts
more to lose $10 then it
feels good to win $10".
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 30, 09:03 AM 2015
I think it is all resumed in those 3 words. Nothing else matter. That is why we all do it. Maths, no maths... Odds, no odds... At the end It does not really matter. As long as we are having fun.
We are not trying to find the cure for cancer here. Just to have fun trying to win at an unbeatable game.
Excatly. Im not using my bill money or rent money
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 30, 09:12 AM 2015
My whole life
I've said that "it hurts more to lose $10 then it feels good to win $10".
If it hurts then dont gamble. Beacose you will lose. You cant always win.
I dont get tattoos beacose it hurt more thant it feel good after. I dont eat whole jalapenos beacose it hurt more that it taste good, I dont put chlorine bleach in my eyes beacose it hurt more than...... whatever....!
I gamble beacose I know and I have accepted that I can and that I will loose. I prefer to loose trying with a method than winning just from pure luck. The day I am gonna feel bad loosing, I will stop gambling and go back playing Monopoly.
That being said....there are still people who win more than they lose. Even if one day it's starting to go downhill. If they stop at 50 or more % pure profit. They stop as a winner.
I can play soccer for 30 years and I'll probably never get pro. Doesn't mean that others can't. But best if I'm a pro that I stop on my prime. No need to hurt myself and leave in shame
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 30, 09:22 AM 2015
If it hurts then dont gamble. Beacose you will lose. You cant always win.
I dont get tattoos beacose it hurt more thant it feel good after. I dont eat whole jalapenos beacose it hurt more that it taste good, I dont put chlorine bleach in my eyes beacose it hurt more than...... whatever....!
I gamble beacose I know and I have accepted that I can and that I will loose. I prefer to loose trying with a method than winning just from pure luck. The day I am gonna feel bad loosing, I will stop gambling and go back playing Monopoly.
Well that is, in fact, why 99.99/100ths of my play is analysis. Even my 10 or so
trips last fall were on paper. Yes, I made a couple discretionary $5 bets.
But I made several, what I called "suicide runs" to AC decades ago and didn't
make a single bet. I drank and that's it. (A "suicide run" was the day bus run
from Mass to AC. Cost $40 then. You got $10 in drink voucher and $10 in play voucher.
Get on bus at 7AM. Arrive 3PM. Leave 11PM. Get home 7AM next day. Hence
"suicide run"). But it cost me $20 and I got $10 drinks. And I would walk up
to some table and make two $5 bets on something. Usually BJ, which I don't play.
The hope and idea is to find a medium that is easy on the nerves to make
some pocket money or stay even. NOT a stupid progression to give me a heart
attack and go bust. Unless the selection method is good enough to justify it.
I can go most every day now. For a few hours. Nice to earn a meal or gas or
something more than losing money.
But I HAVE gone in with $1000 and played my strategy. Largest bet I ever made
was $800, and I parlayed up to that. Know those pictures of the excited mugs on
gambling pictures? I was king of that one day. I had the dice and parlayed my
pass line up to that. People were screaming with excitement. The box man
kept pushing all my chips DELIBERATELY to me each win.
If there was anything in my life that taught me that they FEAR a parlay, that was it.
But the excitement was electric. If/when I do that, I do EXACTLY what I planed to do.
Win or lose. When I put my money out, I know what my intention is, and go with it.
Mogul what parlay progression are u using?
I find this parlay progression for double dozen by GLC, than can be the best fit bet selection for this method.
Our progression is:
1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27
If we lose all 6 attempts, we will be down 186 units.
Trigger :
Example: 3,2,1,3,2,1 is on the board
The odds of appearing again is 1 out 860
So, bet against 3,2,1,3,2,1 until your win goal is reach !
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 12:40 PM 2015
Mogul what parlay progression are u using?
I find this parlay progression for double dozen by GLC, than can be the best fit bet selection for this method.
Our progression is:
1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27
If we lose all 6 attempts, we will be down 186 units.
Trigger :
Example: 3,2,1,3,2,1 is on the board
The odds of appearing again is 1 out 860
So, bet against 3,2,1,3,2,1 until your win goal is reach !
Orochi. To wait for a unique to hit back to back can take a LONG time
I THINK its better to wait for a unique and just bet against it
Last night i never saw a unique repeat. I saw plenty of 3 dozen uniques like 123 and none repeated back to back. Saw 123, 231, 321 a few times. No repeats
Rich
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 12:40 PM 2015
Mogul what parlay progression are u using?
I find this parlay progression for double dozen by GLC, than can be the best fit bet selection for this method.
Our progression is:
1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27
If we lose all 6 attempts, we will be down 186 units.
Trigger :
Example: 3,2,1,3,2,1 is on the board
The odds of appearing again is 1 out 860
So, bet against 3,2,1,3,2,1 until your win goal is reach !
I'm finding that I'm skeptical to almost everything now. You have two
questions.
1) Bet selection. It's like dodging a bullet, but like I said recently,
if you find, say, 123123 and see 123 again, betting against the 2nd 123
might not be bad.
2) Staking method. Well unless you have a solid bet selection method it's
stupid to bet a crazy progression. I like flat or parlay, like Denzie.
3) The thought that I just came up with (which is off track to this specific
method) is wait for 2 dozen in a row and bet different ONCE. Then wait
for the next 2 of the same dozen and bet different ONCE. You are not
betting against a 4th or 5th or 10th. You are betting parallel. Like how many
runs of dozens can there be? This is just my latest thought from last night.
I ran through some zumma pages and it seems to work with dozens and
columbs. But I like how it feels.
For this case a 1,3,9 progression might not be bad.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 12:40 PM 2015
Mogul what parlay progression are u using?
I find this parlay progression for double dozen by GLC, than can be the best fit bet selection for this method.
Our progression is:
1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27
If we lose all 6 attempts, we will be down 186 units.
Trigger :
Example: 3,2,1,3,2,1 is on the board
The odds of appearing again is 1 out 860
So, bet against 3,2,1,3,2,1 until your win goal is reach !
RG didn't say if he was betting flat. Or I just forget. Do you know Izak? He's
a system guy from Canada. One time he told me to play in my head and
just "make up selections". The point being if you do that that the selections
you WAG (wild ass guess), work out to about the same as a set selection.
Just keeping the target moving.
Like playing a number in the lottery for years. That number may NEVER come out.
But a quick pick at least has the random chance.
We try to fashion the future based on the past. It can't be done reliably.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 12:46 PM 2015
Orochi. To wait for a unique to hit back to back can take a LONG time
I THINK its better to wait for a unique and just bet against it
Last night i never saw a unique repeat. I saw plenty of 3 dozen uniques like 123 and none repeated back to back. Saw 123, 231, 321 a few times. No repeats
Rich
I opened zumma last night and right off saw 231 231...
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 30, 12:58 PM 2015
I opened zumma last night and right off saw 231 231...
Ok. And you will
NOW, go through the next few pages, the following spins and tell me if you see another unique repeat. You'll see that every 300 spins or so.
Most likely another unique wont repeat close to it. Check
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 01:04 PM 2015
Ok. And you will
NOW, go through the next few pages, the following spins and tell me if you see another unique repeat. You'll see that every 300 spins or so.
Most likely another unique wont repeat close to it. Check
RG u dont need unique dozens, just watch for double pattern in 6 spins
Example:
3,3,3 3,3,3
1,2,2 1,2,2
1,2,3 1,2,3
3,2,2 3,2,2
Etc.... remember the odds of appearing unique like 3,2,1 3,2,1 are the same as 1,1,1 1,1,1 appearing
"remember the odds of appearing unique like 3,2,1 3,2,1 are the same as 1,1,1 1,1,1 appearing" >>
100% correct.
Ken
Same quick test in RX
Trigger:
10 1
19 2
34 3
6 1
21 2
30 3
Them bet against them to make 20units profit, it took me 48 spins. Máx Progression 3-3; 4-4
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 02:00 PM 2015
Same quick test in RX
Trigger:
10 1
19 2
34 3
6 1
21 2
30 3
Them bet against them to make 20units profit, it took me 48 spins. Máx Progression 3-3; 4-4
Thanks for the tips. When i have a day to spend i will try it
Other bet mode that deserve a test is based on topic: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15778.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15778.0)
Start at level 3
level lost down to
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2 1
3 1
4 2
5 3
6 4
7 3
8 3
Important rule for level 8.....a win OR loss, down to level 3 (level 8 i call the "jackpot" or win goal !)
BET PROGRESSION PER LEVEL
1 -> 1.3.9
2 -> 2.6.18
3 -> 3.9.27
4 -> 4.12.36
5 -> 5.15.45
6 -> 6.18.54
7 -> 7.21.63
8 -> 8.24.72
Thanks to MrJ :thumbsup:
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 02:14 PM 2015
Other bet mode that deserve a test is based on topic: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15778.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15778.0)
Start at level 3
level lost down to
----------- ----------
2 1
3 1
4 2
5 3
6 4
7 3
8 3
Important rule for level 8.....a win OR loss, down to level 3 (level 8 i call the "jackpot" or win goal !)
BET PROGRESSION PER LEVEL
1 -> 1.3.9
2 -> 2.6.18
3 -> 3.9.27
4 -> 4.12.36
5 -> 5.15.45
6 -> 6.18.54
7 -> 7.21.63
8 -> 8.24.72
Thanks to MrJ :thumbsup:
Progression?
:-X
Need a 2nd job for bankroll. Lol
RG read the post related and u understand the basics.
U risk 39 units at start level 3 to win 33units at level 8
If u win 5 times u hit the "jackpot"
Capiché?!?
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 03:04 PM 2015
RG read the post related and u understand the basics.
U risk 39 units at start level 3 to win 33units at level 8
If u win 5 times u hit the "jackpot"
Capiché?!?
Apologies. Will read thoroughly after work
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 01:04 PM 2015
Ok. And you will
NOW, go through the next few pages, the following spins and tell me if you see another unique repeat. You'll see that every 300 spins or so.
Most likely another unique wont repeat close to it. Check
I get what you're saying, but what is your point? To stumble onto one
(in real play) and then say "ah ha, it's water under the dam".
Part of the point of the problem is the balance of laying odds bet instead of
taking them. It gets expensive very fast. And that is the trade off.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 01:10 PM 2015
RG u dont need unique dozens, just watch for double pattern in 6 spins
Example:
3,3,3 3,3,3
1,2,2 1,2,2
1,2,3 1,2,3
3,2,2 3,2,2
Etc.... remember the odds of appearing unique like 3,2,1 3,2,1 are the same as 1,1,1 1,1,1 appearing
yeah, but you'd wait hours to see that.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 02:00 PM 2015
Same quick test in RX
Trigger:
10 1
19 2
34 3
6 1
21 2
30 3
Them bet against them to make 20units profit, it took me 48 spins. Máx Progression 3-3; 4-4
Not sure what I'm looking at. You put down one series of 123123 and then have
a whole chart based on many bets. I don't see you getting many bets out of
one occurance.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 02:14 PM 2015
Other bet mode that deserve a test is based on topic: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15778.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15778.0)
Start at level 3
level lost down to
----------- ----------
2 1
3 1
4 2
5 3
6 4
7 3
8 3
Important rule for level 8.....a win OR loss, down to level 3 (level 8 i call the "jackpot" or win goal !)
BET PROGRESSION PER LEVEL
1 -> 1.3.9
2 -> 2.6.18
3 -> 3.9.27
4 -> 4.12.36
5 -> 5.15.45
6 -> 6.18.54
7 -> 7.21.63
8 -> 8.24.72
Thanks to MrJ :thumbsup:
I read this and the post and I don't understand what it is saying to do.
Bet selection 2 single numbers? How is the bet progression?? Like greek.
BET PROGRESSION PER LEVEL
1 -> 1.3.9
2 -> 2.6.18
3 -> 3.9.27
4 -> 4.12.36
5 -> 5.15.45
6 -> 6.18.54
7 -> 7.21.63
8 -> 8.24.72 <*<*<*<* This isn't mine and to be CLEAR, up on a win and down on a loss is not a progression. Moving UP ON LOSSES is a negative progression.
Ken
The rules are in each level up on a win, down on a loss is no progression there.
A) down 2 levels if u loss at levels 3,4,5,6.
B) down to level 1 if u loss at level 2.
C) down to level 3 if u loss at levels 7,8.
D) if u loss level 1 just look for other pattern to bet.
E) starting level is 3.
Inside each level there is a 3 step progression. U only need to win one step of the progression to get to the next level.
Win goal = reach level 8 and get a win.
BET PROGRESSION INSIDE EACH LEVEL
1 -> 1.3.9
2 -> 2.6.18
3 -> 3.9.27
4 -> 4.12.36
5 -> 5.15.45
6 -> 6.18.54
7 -> 7.21.63
8 -> 8.24.72
LEVELS TABLE IN CASE OF LOSS
level lost down to
----------- ----------
2 1
3 1
4 2
5 3
6 4
7 3
8 3
I was clear or any doubt!?
Tomorrow i post a sample, atm going to sleep.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 07:21 PM 2015
The rules are in each level up on a win, down on a loss is no progression there.
A) down 2 levels if u loss at levels 3,4,5,6.
B) down to level 1 if u loss at level 2.
C) down to level 3 if u loss at levels 7,8.
D) if u loss level 1 just look for other pattern to bet.
E) starting level is 3.
Inside each level there is a 3 step progression. U only need to win one step of the progression to get to the next level.
Win goal = reach level 8 and get a win.
I was clear or any doubt!?
Tomorrow i post a sample, atm going to sleep.
I dont know about anyone else. But with proper bankroll this is a great MM technique for the grassroots tweaks
UP on a win. Cant beat it
Small win goal. Done faster. I appreciate your posts
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 30, 03:47 PM 2015
yeah, but you'd wait hours to see that.
Can take awhile, but i usually stay 4 hours at the casino and u going to see normally 2/3 bet situations if u track both dozens and columns.
It the way i look at it, seeing on a single night hitting 6 times in a row twice the same dozen. Never seen it live. U have to be very unlucky.
But 1/39 u gonna be catch easy. I've seen people with greed that win 300â,¬ on night than lost 500â,¬ on the next day.
Playin 10â,¬-10â,¬ 30â,¬-30â,¬ 90â,¬-90â,¬
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 07:21 PM 2015
The rules are in each level up on a win, down on a loss is no progression there.
A) down 2 levels if u loss at levels 3,4,5,6.
B) down to level 1 if u loss at level 2.
C) down to level 3 if u loss at levels 7,8.
D) if u loss level 1 just look for other pattern to bet.
E) starting level is 3.
Inside each level there is a 3 step progression. U only need to win one step of the progression to get to the next level.
Win goal = reach level 8 and get a win.
BET PROGRESSION INSIDE EACH LEVEL
1 -> 1.3.9
2 -> 2.6.18
3 -> 3.9.27
4 -> 4.12.36
5 -> 5.15.45
6 -> 6.18.54
7 -> 7.21.63
8 -> 8.24.72
LEVELS TABLE IN CASE OF LOSS
level lost down to
----------- ----------
2 1
3 1
4 2
5 3
6 4
7 3
8 3
I was clear or any doubt!?
Tomorrow i post a sample, atm going to sleep.
Thanks!!
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 07:37 PM 2015
Can take awhile, but i usually stay 4 hours at the casino and u going to see normally 2/3 bet situations if u track both dozens and columns.
It the way i look at it, seeing on a single night hitting 6 times in a row twice the same dozen. Never seen it live. U have to be very unlucky.
But 1/39 u gonna be catch easy. I've seen people with greed that win 300â,¬ on night than lost 500â,¬ on the next day.
Playin 10â,¬-10â,¬ 30â,¬-30â,¬ 90â,¬-90â,¬
I have went through zumma here and there. I havent seen a unique repeat more then twice
I saw
231
231
Never ever ever
231
231
231
In zumma a unique repeat is very rare enough. 231231 is not very often
I see something like this often though
223
223
Or
112
112
123 123. Rare. 112 112 not rare. See?
Uniques HAVE to be different. If the math says no difference then maybe its beyond math
Make a simulation in RX a u see no diference in uniques. This is my advice.
At my local casino i have been seen uniques enough to break you down.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 07:49 PM 2015
Make a simulation in RX a u see no diference in uniques. This is my advice.
At my local casino i have been seen uniques enough to break you down.
Unique same one back to back like
123
123
Often?
My airball pops out things like 212 212 often. So maybe i will take your advice and bet on any formation repeat
Thanks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 07:54 PM 2015
My airball pops out things like 212 212 often. So maybe i will take your advice and bet on any formation repeat
Thanks
Have no time to check on those, this a pic of same sample spins of my local casino.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 07:54 PM 2015
My airball pops out things like 212 212 often. So maybe i will take your advice and bet on any formation repeat
Thanks
When you say airball, that is the mechanical wheel that automatically
spins the ball around on a real wheel?
Also, sometimes as I said before, if you use a fixed target sooner or later
it will get hit.
Quote from: mogul397 on Dec 30, 08:25 PM 2015
When you say airball, that is the mechanical wheel that automatically
spins the ball around on a real wheel?
Also, sometimes as I said before, if you use a fixed target sooner or later
it will get hit.
yes, real ball and wheel but bets on a screen. loop hole for my state. last night it did something weird, i would swear a magnet took the ball....to be debated
TheLaw, may he RIP with grassroots thread, devised a very nice grassroots tweak which i liked very much and have nothing but good to say about him other then he demands too much
his tweak is called moving target
each mini game is separate mini games of 3
bet against
123
then 213
then 312
then 231
then 321.
stop on any win and wait for the spins to expire then attack next group. chart attached.
you see mogul no fixed target here
see chart
1st row, bet against 123 with 1 3 9 prog. win on step 3.
2nd row, bet against 213, 1st spin wins, sit out next 2 spins.
3rd row, bet against 312, win on step 1, sit out next 2 spins. so on and so forth
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 30, 07:56 PM 2015
Have no time to check on those, this a pic of same sample spins of my local casino.
Orochi, I charted the 1st 75 spins of your actual caisno spins attachment from your casino
The green arrow represents a UNIQUE mini game
The green dots indicate where the exact dozen formation repeated the following mini game. As you can see the 3 dozen repeat was NOT a unique....my theory??!!!!
None of the uniques (green arrows) repeated. If I played my way (raymanz tweak), winning all around. 7 triggers, 7 wins.
I stopped at the 1st 75 spins because that far exceeds my stay
Would be nice with a tracker for this. Could be easy to miss 3 uniques two in a row if you don't have mini games.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 30, 09:07 PM 2015
Would be nice with a tracker for this. Could be easy to miss 3 uniques two in a row if you don't have mini games.
for the online guys yes probably would be very good
im not a tracker person...i just do a few by hand on a baccarat card lol and in google docs....
if my government would make online gaming legal i WOULD
my only option is 5dimes........ $1 minimum
I havent posted some testing report lately. Here is one before I go to bed.
This is RayManZ tweak but betting on the 1st bet only with a progression of 1-3-9. I have read about this on the forum...
There was 180 real casino spins (about 3 hours with live dealers online). I got 8 1st bet winners and 5 loosers. No 2 losers in a row that would have brought me to the 3rd stage. Will test some more.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Dec 30, 11:01 PM 2015
I havent posted some testing report lately. Here is one before I go to bed.
This is RayManZ tweak but betting on the 1st bet only with a progression of 1-3-9. I have read about this on the forum...
There was 180 real casino spins (about 3 hours with live dealers online). I got 8 1st bet winners and 5 loosers. No 2 losers in a row that would have brought me to the 3rd stage. Will test some more.
1st bet only is a good bet. Less risk. Less exposure. And to lose 3 in a row with raymanz tweak this way would be EXTREMELY unlucky
I DONT have that kinda patience but its damn good
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 11:03 PM 2015
1St bet only is a good bet. Less risk. Less exposure. And to lose 3 in a row with raymanz tweak this way would be EXTREMELY unlucky
I DONT have that kinda patience but its damn good
Thats what I am trying to do, lose 3 in a row... That big spike around the 90th spin is when I hit the zero....
For now its mostly win, lose, win, lose, win, lose... with a win,win in all of this.
Gonna go test a little bit of Moving Target betting!
Ok, here is a preliminary report of TheLaw moving target Grassroots
- 12 mini games played.
- 12 won, 0 loss.
- 9 won on first bet.
- 2 won on second bet.
A lot of units won in a very short period of time! (about 30 min online).
In the 12 mini games I got 213 213. And the 3rd target to be played was the second one (213)!!
Going to bed now.
:thumbsup: O0 8)
This block from real spins. How much could you make betting against the last dozen span, every spin for the 185 spins, Me £200.00
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 08:57 PM 2015
Orochi, I charted the 1st 75 spins of your actual caisno spins attachment from your casino
The green arrow represents a UNIQUE mini game
The green dots indicate where the exact dozen formation repeated the following mini game. As you can see the 3 dozen repeat was NOT a unique....my theory??!!!!
None of the uniques (green arrows) repeated. If I played my way (raymanz tweak), winning all around. 7 triggers, 7 wins.
I stopped at the 1st 75 spins because that far exceeds my stay
Looking at your chart I found three more uniques. How do you guys track? Use a tracker?
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 31, 10:39 AM 2015
Looking at your chart I found three more uniques. How do you guys track? Use a tracker?
Because i track uniques in mini games of 3 only. If it goes into next row doesnt count
Safer
So if 1 starts on row one then 2 and 3 is row 2 i dont consider that a unique. Different mini games. Thats why this is so succesfful for me
The 132 132 you have is not in each its own mini game. So thats not a loss for me
I track in rows. Each independent
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 31, 10:44 AM 2015
Because i track uniques in mini games of 3 only. If it goes into next row doesnt count
Safer
So if 1 starts on row one then 2 and 3 is row 2 i dont consider that a unique. Different mini games. Thats why this is so succesfful for me
The 132 132 you have is not in each its own mini game. So thats not a loss for me
I track in rows. Each independent
Me too. Just wanted to know how others that track 3 unique 2 in a row regardless of a mini game or not track, since you could easily miss one.
Oh ok i understand
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 31, 10:39 AM 2015
Looking at your chart I found three more uniques. How do you guys track? Use a tracker?
The red or green dots are the triggers is not so hard at all to have those,
Tracking in block of 3 spins or rolling is the same. The only diference is that u get more bet chances. I tested that.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 31, 12:32 PM 2015
The red or green dots are the triggers is not so hard at all to have those,
Tracking in block of 3 spins or rolling is the same. The only diference is that u get more bet chances. I tested that.
Whats the flaw betting after the green arrows? That it wont repeat
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 30, 11:03 PM 2015
1st bet only is a good bet. Less risk. Less exposure. And to lose 3 in a row with raymanz tweak this way would be EXTREMELY unlucky
I DONT have that kinda patience but its damn good
There might be a lesson here. Does your brain record tendencies that it sees
from hours of crunching numbers?
Well I was playing with that looking for 2 do in a row I was talking about. And then
I began to see areas where there were a lot of longer runs.
Perhaps the tweak has embedded in it screening for the times when the
results are choppier.
Been working hard on this. Need a break. New years eve at a hotel. 5 hour open bar and 5 course meal. Hilton
Back tomorrow
orochi ill leave off with this
i reposted the chart
the green arrows indicate a UNIQUE formation
i THINK, i could be wrong but i THINK betting in mini games like this decreases the chances of the next mini game unique dozen formation repeating. i always see unique dozen repeats but spread out between 2 mini games
NOT like this
213
213
rare for me
Ok, here is a continuing report of TheLaw moving target Grassroots
- 23 mini games played.
- 21 won, 2 loss.
- 14 won on first bet.
- 4 won on second bet.
- 3 won on third bet.
A lot of units lost in a very short period of time!
I was still using the 1-3-9 progression, and I always tought that it was a bad idea. I still think it since my BR took a good plunge down the hole.
If it continues like this, it shows that it wins more on the first bet than it lose the first. Doing 1-3-9 on the 1st only is still not a good idea since I got 4 win in a row on the second or third bet. So I would still have lost.
If I would have bet flat on the 1st only, I would be in the positive. I will have to keep testing and to see if a cancellation, parlay or some kind of Fibonacci would optimize the method.
Still, will need more testing.
Simon.
Flat. First only. Key.
These methods win on 1st bet more then any other
Hi Guys..
I've found this forum & thread 4 days ago and have been lurking in the background trying to catch up on the 88 odd pages (now 90). I've made it to page 50 or so at many stages I wanted to post a message but wanted to get the the end incase someone has already covered it in the 50 odd pages left to read ;D.
This system is by far the most simplistic and easy system to understand, I'm a big fan of RG , the law and all the positive poster who made the effort to do testing and tweaks posting it up. RG thanks for keep this thread alive, if you didn't it would of faded into the background and I would have never seen it.
Those other members who disagree, it's fair to say all system will fail... the MATHS is always there, the casino will always have the edge.. I find commenting on saying if I tested this system over 1 million spins will I still be ahead? fair to say if you did that to any system you won't be.. the LAW of AVERAGES will always catch up to you. RG has stressed its a quick 2-4 mini games and then you to a new table or walk out with your profits.. if you sit there for a few thousand more spins of course you'll lose it all back =).
This is awesome thread and I will try and post up some of my live results in the near future..
yAh to my first post.
Regards
T
By far parlay is the most stable way to bet, against 6 block pattern. I dont cover zero at all.
Search for a pattern
3,3,1 3,3,1
1,2,3 1,2,3
1,1,1 1,1,1
Them bet against them until your goal. Rolling style no need to wait for mini games of 3.
I advice 20 units goal.
If u get another pattern when ur playing switch your bets against new pattern.
It can be play on dozen, columns or both at the same time (my style)
Use the full progression or limit to stage 7 mininum (66 units risk). RECOMMENDED TO USE THIS ONE. UNTIL FURTHER TESTS.
With odd of lossing 1 out 860. You need to be very unlucky to loose.
PARLAY progression is:
1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27
Test it and let me know the results.
🌎 Happy New Year 🌎
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 01, 08:58 AM 2016
By far parlay is the most stable way to bet, against 6 block pattern. I dont cover zero at all.
Search for a pattern
3,3,1 3,3,1
1,2,3 1,2,3
1,1,1 1,1,1
Them bet against them until your goal. Rolling style no need to wait for mini games of 3.
I advice 20 units goal.
If u get another pattern when ur playing switch your bets against new pattern.
It can be play on dozen, columns or both at the same time (my style)
Use the full progression or limit to stage 7 mininum (66 units risk). RECOMMENDED TO USE THIS ONE. UNTIL FURTHER TESTS.
With odd of lossing 1 out 860. You need to be very unlucky to loose.
PARLAY progression is:
1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27
Test it and let me know the results.
🌎 Happy New Year 🌎
Hello Orochi,
If I understand this well, you wait for any pattern to repeat, then continousely bet against it until another repeat appear.
Something like this:
1,2,2,1,3,2,1, "221 221"
Then start betting agaist 221 like: 221 221 221 221 221 etc... until you get anoter repeat like 332 332.
You dont stop and wait for a mini game of 3 to finish. You bet every spin, and you use the winning parlay progression of:
1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27
until a lose when you go back to 1-1
Is that it?
Thanks and Happy New Year to you too and everybody here on the board.
Simon.
U need to find a 6 block pattern:
Example:
3,1,1,3,2,1,3,2,3,1,2,2,1,2,2,3,2,1,3,3,3
After RED (1,2,2,1,2,2) our pattern start betting against it!
Our bets will be:
2,3 / 1,3 / 1,3 / 2,3 / 1,3 / 1,3
Just keep betting that away if win or loose until the goal is reach!
If u get other 6 block pattern switch the bet against it.
Quote from: Master T on Jan 01, 06:41 AM 2016
Hi Guys..
I've found this forum & thread 4 days ago and have been lurking in the background trying to catch up on the 88 odd pages (now 90). I've made it to page 50 or so at many stages I wanted to post a message but wanted to get the the end incase someone has already covered it in the 50 odd pages left to read ;D.
This system is by far the most simplistic and easy system to understand, I'm a big fan of RG , the law and all the positive poster who made the effort to do testing and tweaks posting it up. RG thanks for keep this thread alive, if you didn't it would of faded into the background and I would have never seen it.
Those other members who disagree, it's fair to say all system will fail... the MATHS is always there, the casino will always have the edge.. I find commenting on saying if I tested this system over 1 million spins will I still be ahead? fair to say if you did that to any system you won't be.. the LAW of AVERAGES will always catch up to you. RG has stressed its a quick 2-4 mini games and then you to a new table or walk out with your profits.. if you sit there for a few thousand more spins of course you'll lose it all back =).
This is awesome thread and I will try and post up some of my live results in the near future..
yAh to my first post.
Regards
T
Thanks for the nice words. If orochi believes in part of it, that tells me something
I almost stopped a few times when the negativity came after page 40 but i decided not to stop
Why would i stop? Every which way i test it in short spurts comes out a winner.
Thank you!
The edge is always there. Cant beat it. But we can find ways to beat it temporarily? Or at least win temporarily
Believe me this wheel can spit out 231 231 231 however its rare
Orochi. Thanks for all your tips
A big help
I make one suggestion. Bet 0
Someone saw
123
123
103
"Its the same as betting 20"
when you are beting against a fixed dozen pattern it isnt. Because 0 isnt part of a dozen. So cover it :)
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 01, 09:44 AM 2016
U need to find a 6 block pattern:
Example:
3,1,1,3,2,1,3,2,3,1,2,2,1,2,2,3,2,1,3,3,3
After RED (1,2,2,1,2,2) our pattern start betting against it!
Our bets will be:
2,3 / 1,3 / 1,3 / 2,3 / 1,3 / 1,3
Just keep betting that away if win or loose until the goal is reach!
If u get other 6 block pattern switch the bet against it.
3 things.
1) I still wonder how long you would have to wait to see/find these patterns.
Any way you slice it, you're going for small units and it becomes not worth it.
2) Having said that, then why not just pick whatever 6 spin pattern just happened
and use this logic? They should all be conceptually the same. So jump in,
identify what just happened, and bet against it.
3) How do you plan on banking a 6 bet betting spree on 2 dozens?
A 1,3,9,27 is 4 and about the outside edge that people are willing
to consider.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 01, 11:38 AM 2016
3) How do you plan on banking a 6 bet betting spree on 2 dozens?
A 1,3,9,27 is 4 and about the outside edge that people are willing
to consider.
1 or 2 pages back orochi posted a progression
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 01, 11:38 AM 2016
3 things.
1) I still wonder how long you would have to wait to see/find these patterns.
Any way you slice it, you're going for small units and it becomes not worth it.
2) Having said that, then why not just pick whatever 6 spin pattern just happened
and use this logic? They should all be conceptually the same. So jump in,
identify what just happened, and bet against it.
3) How do you plan on banking a 6 bet betting spree on 2 dozens?
A 1,3,9,27 is 4 and about the outside edge that people are willing
to consider.
1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬
2) maybe is the same, but i prefer for now 2 simetric blocks of 3.
3) progression is a parlay
This is my paper tracker a little messy after midnight of the New Year
Nice paper tracker lol. At casino i use baccarat card
I see triggers then i see winners
:thumbsup:
231 bba? You wrote then at the start. Why? Because those were the 2 triggers u had?
Also i notice there were a few uniques. None repeated
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 01, 08:58 AM 2016
PARLAY progression is:
1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27
Orochi,
Started testing it.. Nice results so far.
Are you using a winning progression or a losing progression?
I am actually testing it with going up the ladder when winning, but do you use your progression when winning or when losing?
Do you bet flat when winning and going up when you lose a bet or the other way?
How do you handle the zero? Do you stop your betting when you get one and wait for another 2x3 or do you continue as usual and just count it as a loss?
In a test I got 3,2,1,0,3,2,1. I started the 3,2,1 betting even if I had a zero in the middle. Is that ok?
Thanks!!
Simon,
Since orichi waits for a repeat then bets against it ex. 231231 now bet against 231
What people can do if they wish is simply bet against previous 3. With a small unit size. 1 3 9 progression with quarters. If you lose that means the previous 3 repeated like 232 232.
Playing with quarters you would be down $6.50 if lost
Now since you lost of course you have orochis trigger
Now bet 1 3 9 progresion against against 232 with $6.50 units....
Many more bet opportunities. More wins.
NOT recommended for big boy unit size
1 in 860 chance of winning with $175 bankroll
.25/.25, .75/.75, 2.25/2.25
If lose that series
6.50/6.50, 19.50/19.50, 58.50/58.50
Playing orichis genius way but every mini game we play against previous 3. If we lose that means we have orichis trigger and we bet the 6.50 units
Heres how i look at it: play against previous 3 with tiny units. Winning as much as possible, then orochis trigger kicks in on a loss and we increase unit size. Money management
Step 1- Bet against previous 3
Step 2- If lose now you have orochis trigger
Step 3- Go big
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 01, 12:19 PM 2016
1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬
2) maybe is the same, but i prefer for now 2 simetric blocks of 3.
3) progression is a parlay
This is my paper tracker a little messy after midnight of the New Year
"1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬"
To add to my last post
You see 3 repeats within 60 spins. Thats 3 triggers
Thats 17 mini games where betting against previous 3 wins and 3 mini games lose (60 spins 20 mini games)
Then when you lose (3 times) you have your trigger
Thats all mini games won with my tweak
Only way to lose is a triple repeat
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 01, 12:19 PM 2016
1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬
2) maybe is the same, but i prefer for now 2 simetric blocks of 3.
3) progression is a parlay
This is my paper tracker a little messy after midnight of the New Year
OK, I'm not trying to be a hard ass. Really. Do you have a zumma book?
If so, can you pick some random pages that show it?
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 01, 04:18 PM 2016
OK, I'm not trying to be a hard ass. Really. Do you have a zumma book?
If so, can you pick some random pages that show it?
Im not trying to be a hard ass. But some of us are working hard on this
You have zumma? I know you do. So go for it. Rip that sucker out and test it.
You can guide a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Orochi posted by hand on paper like 10 sheets of real spins a couple pages back mogul.......
Post 1323. Page 89. I give him a lot of Credit for that
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 02:48 PM 2016
"1) is not so hard to find those, yesterday found 3 in less than 60 spins. Just could make 450â,¬ playing both dozens & columns, my max progression was 10-10 units in my case 100â,¬-100â,¬"
To add to my last post
You see 3 repeats within 60 spins. Thats 3 triggers
Thats 17 mini games where betting against previous 3 wins and 3 mini games lose (60 spins 20 mini games)
Then when you lose (3 times) you have your trigger
Thats all mini games won with my tweak
Only way to lose is a triple repeat
So at that hit rate, what would your unit size be? 3 units per hour?
what's the take? And is that enough?
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Jan 01, 01:17 PM 2016
Orochi,
Started testing it.. Nice results so far.
Are you using a winning progression or a losing progression?
I am actually testing it with going up the ladder when winning, but do you use your progression when winning or when losing?
Do you bet flat when winning and going up when you lose a bet or the other way?
How do you handle the zero? Do you stop your betting when you get one and wait for another 2x3 or do you continue as usual and just count it as a loss?
In a test I got 3,2,1,0,3,2,1. I started the 3,2,1 betting even if I had a zero in the middle. Is that ok?
Thanks!!
Simon,
This is not valid, i say it must be 2 simetric blocks of 3.
Progression when loosing.
I dont cover zero, if hit count as a loss, i play in single zero wheel.
I keep betting against the trigger until my goal!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 12:40 PM 2016
Nice paper tracker lol. At casino i use baccarat card
I see triggers then i see winners
:thumbsup:
231 bba? You wrote then at the start. Why? Because those were the 2 triggers u had?
Also i notice there were a few uniques. None repeated
Triggers in RED
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 04:23 PM 2016
Im not trying to be a hard ass. But some of us are working hard on this
You have zumma? I know you do. So go for it. Rip that sucker out and test it.
You can guide a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Orochi posted by hand on paper like 10 sheets of real spins a couple pages back mogul.......
Post 1323. Page 89. I give him a lot of Credit for that
You have the quote wrong. It's "You can lead a horse to water, but
you can't make him THINK".
I had no problem asking someone to justify their statement. I to a lot of
work as well. I just don't trouble people with it. I work it out.
I have muscle memory of what I have seen for decades in number.
You do too, and you have statistics to show how many hundreds or
thousands of spins. I imagine the statistic for this is similar. So the
point is that I won't find them.
It's not like I looked and said "gollie gee. Look at all those set ups" and threw
a bone on the floor here. And after you agree, you might agree that winning
3 bets and hour at a $5 bet level isn't compelling.
But to go back to the first subject I remember a HG group where you lead people
down bunnie trails. Even if you had to lie to keep them. Now this thread that
seems to never end with a hard conclusion about what "works".
So is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 04:23 PM 2016
Im not trying to be a hard ass. But some of us are working hard on this
You have zumma? I know you do. So go for it. Rip that sucker out and test it.
You can guide a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Orochi posted by hand on paper like 10 sheets of real spins a couple pages back mogul.......
Post 1323. Page 89. I give him a lot of Credit for that
BTW, taking out a cell phone and posting a picture of scribble doesn't show much
effort. When I post results I type them in so they are clear. THAT is work.
I could post NOTEBOOKS of pages and pages of actual casino play..
FYI, historically I do not remember a SINGLE example of you posting any
actual play results. Not one. In fact I can remember more times that you said
you were going to play, didn't play, and didn't even report that.
Orochi. Another thought. Rarely do we win on the 3rd spin
Most wins are 1st or 2nd try
Never have i seen a win on 3rd spin happen twice in a row after a trigger
So my idea now is
Bet against previous 3. 1st two spins only with a 1 3 progression
Next mini game bet against that same trigger this time with a 1 3 with larger units
So
221 happens
Bet against 221. 1st 2 spins only
221 shows, lost 1st 2 spins. Now we have your trigger
Next bet against 221 again 1st 2 spins only
Something like this
$1, $3
If lose next mini game
$8, $24
Should work just fine. Using this method i havent seen a win on 3rd try twice in a row. They are isolated. Id consider it safe
Less risk cutting it off at 2 tries
In every test i have done, The law has done, Celescliff has done. All 3rd bet win attempts are isolated
So based on the thousands of spins i have seen its safe
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 01, 05:59 PM 2016
Now this thread that
seems to never end with a hard conclusion about what "works".
This thread is in the notepad
Forum definition steve has written for the notepad as seen on homepage:
"The Notepad
Write down your ideas and discuss new concepts."So we are doing EXACTLY what its designed for. discussing a new concept. aka "grassroots"
If you cannot keep up, or if you do not like it, this goes for you and anyone else: leave the thread. And go make a better thread.
Cause a lot of us are learning
Also i will add by me keeping this thread up has caused new members to join and post. So thats that.
If you want clear conclusions the NOTEPAD is not for you
I dont care if we hit 1 million pages and i hit 1 million posts
You cried for a trip report in 5 posts. I provided a trip report
Now u want me to post real spin results from the casino
I posted endless charts from zumma tests.
I enjoy testing and tweaking and reading other tweaks.
I dont want to argue with u but these r things u need to hear
If i ran into you in a CT or MA casino id buy you a beer though
Also. You keep referencing my HG group. So im gonna put this out in the open once and for all. I made a private group at the request of members here to discuss a Lanky matrix. I was asked to do so, so we can talk openly without negativity. I banned you because you didnt get it and made several different threads doing what you are doing here. I asked you to keep it in one thread but you kept making new threads bashing it. It was my group. I didnt have to give you a platform to bash it. I invited you to be nice. I didnt make a forum to keep it a secret. About 40 people from here enjoyed it. So thats that. To this day you dont understand the lanky matrix. I stoped playing it because a trigger takes hours. The time i spent on that thing i didnt need to read threads from you bashing it. So you had to go.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 06:24 PM 2016
If you cannot keep up, or if you do not like it, this goes for you and anyone else: leave the thread. And go make a better thread.
I still dont understand why people keep reading and replying to posts from people who just dont care about what we do and dont have anything better to do than to post here. There are certain people here on the forum that I simply dont read their replies and go right over them. I work a lot and have only the energy and time to focus on the main subject and to focus on the positive posts on the main subject.
These people just want attention. And do not provide anything else. Just stop replying to these posts. And they might simply go away get attention somewhere else.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Jan 01, 06:40 PM 2016
I still dont understand why people keep reading and replying to posts from people who just dont care about what we do and dont have anything better to do than to post here. There are certain people here on the forum that I simply dont read their replies and go right over them. I work a lot and have only the energy and time to focus on the main subject and to focus on the positive posts on the main subject.
These people just want attention. And do not provide anything else. Just stop replying to these posts. And they might simply go away get attention somewhere else.
Well you are right
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 06:13 PM 2016
Orochi. Another thought. Rarely do we win on the 3rd spin
Most wins are 1st or 2nd try
Never have i seen a win on 3rd spin happen twice in a row after a trigger
Indeed. I have seen the same thing on my testing. I wonder how we could exploit this.
Another idea that have crossed my mind a few days ago is that I wonder if there are any correlation with other parts of the layout and wheel when we get something like 1,2,3,1,2,3... What I mean is I wonder if there is something else that could warn us of a possibility of a repeat.... Like the law of the third or something else....just an idea....
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Jan 01, 06:55 PM 2016
Another idea that have crossed my mind a few days ago is that I wonder if there are any correlation with other parts of the layout and wheel when we get something like 1,2,3,1,2,3... What I mean is I wonder if there is something else that could warn us of a possibility of a repeat.... Like the law of the third or something else....just an idea....
Split wheel into 3 groups of 12. Label them 1 2 3
Wait for a unique. Bet against it.
here is an old zumma test on dozens and columns i have used before
betting against previous 3
but using orochis principle when you have a repeat continue to bet against it
alternating between dozens and columns
went smooth all wins on 1st and 2nd except 1....
see row 23. CBA then CBB. its a loss cause i only bet 1st 2.
so now i do NOT alternate back to dozens. i wait for the mini game to expire then i bet against CBA again 1st two attempts only.
progression does not get deep with only a 1 3, just raise unit size for 2nd attempt on row 24. we may see CBA CBA but another CBA after unlikely
so after the loss, bet original trigger again and we only have 1 out of 860 chance of losing
Not the same as betting against previous 3. Because on a loss on the next mini game we bet the SAME trigger we lost on. Well that kinda makes sense sorta i guess. Hope ya get it
To add to above post
We can bet FIRST BET ONLY of each mini game
1 3 9 progression
Against previous 3
To lose that would be EXTREMELY rare
Looking at ALL charts from myself and celes NO loss
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 08:25 PM 2016
To add to above post
We can bet FIRST BET ONLY of each mini game
1 3 9 progression
Against previous 3
To lose that would be EXTREMELY rare
Looking at ALL charts from myself and celes NO loss
Actually testing this. Will post results soon. No loss. Got close but... No loss.
I'm testing too many thing at the same time... I dont know on what to put more time. Everything is giving interesting results. I particularly like Moving Target... I can feel there is something in this.... Getting interesting results.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Jan 01, 08:36 PM 2016
Actually testing this. Will post results soon. No loss. Got close but... No loss.
Highest i got was 2nd step
Bet every mini game against the previous 3 with first be only
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 08:38 PM 2016
Highest i got was 2nd step
Bet every mini game against the previous 3 with first be only
Still testing with 1-3-9? On all your tests?
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Jan 01, 08:41 PM 2016
Still testing with 1-3-9? On all your tests?
Most. And 1 3 3
And flat. 1st bet only. Win goal 2 units. Safe for big units ya know?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 08:43 PM 2016
Most. And 1 3 3
And flat. 1st bet only. Win goal 2 units. Safe for big units ya know?
Thats what i'm looking for. I am not in the US. I can play anywhere online. I am looking for one big safe bet and i'm out.
Has all this ever been tested on RNG?
I think if we bet against previous 3 first bet only flat betting may be good
Maybe even progression of 1 2. Break even on win on 2nd if it gets to that
Use large units. 2 unit goal
Bet every 3 spins. Flat bet. Against the dozen 3 back
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 01, 08:49 PM 2016
I think if we bet against previous 3 first bet only flat betting may be good
Maybe even progression of 1 2. Break even on win on 2nd if it gets to that
Use large units. 2 unit goal
That is why I was waiting for lets say: 123 123 and bet against 123. I wanted it to be a safe bet. But the wheel still can make 123 123 123....
I already saw 112 112 112 this week... If I wait for 123 123 123 (or other single combo) I can wait a while....
RG look at this, 2 losses against uniques in just 15 spins, the way u track in minigames of 3.
6 looses if playing rolling style against unique.
Think again before going for 1.3.9 progression. STOP martingale progression it is a DEAD HORSE on this system.
I test it and it fail BIG !!!
And pls stop making more tweaks, u not going no where!
triggers here, w8 there, bet 1st, 2st, bla bla bla ( u are just avoid the loss for awhile)
Im trying to help but a bit tired of ppl going of track.
If u wanna get same chances of winning try to use PARLAY progression vs 6 block bet uniques.
TEST IT and let me know.
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 01, 09:09 PM 2016
RG look at this, 2 losses against uniques in just 15 spins, the way u track in minigames of 3.
Ouch!
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 01, 09:09 PM 2016
And pls stop making more tweaks, u not going no where!
triggers here, w8 there, bet 1st, 2st, bla bla bla ( u are just avoid the loss for awhile)
Im trying to help but a bit tired of ppl going of track.
Agreed, we are simply going nowhere with all these tweeks. We have to focus on one way to play and find the way to get rid of the progression.
Dont be upst with the tweaks
I WILL test your block of 6 at casino tomorrow. It is solid.
In the attach i show to all my test files in Excel.
Soo take your own conclusions.
TRACKER + test files
in ANALYZER sheet just press clear than simulate for long-run test
in MAIN sheet press "F9" to refresh data
be sure to enable macro content for running the tests
u can change the progression values
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 01, 09:43 PM 2016
In the attach i show to all my test files in Excel.
Soo take your own conclusions.
TRACKER + test files
in ANALYZER sheet just press clear than simulate for long-run test
in MAIN sheet press "F9" to refresh data
be sure to enable macro content for running the tests
u can change the progression values
Many thanks from me
Thanks for your work
.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Jan 01, 06:55 PM 2016
Another idea that have crossed my mind a few days ago is that I wonder if there are any correlation with other parts of the layout and wheel when we get something like 1,2,3,1,2,3... What I mean is I wonder if there is something else that could warn us of a possibility of a repeat.... Like the law of the third or something else....just an idea....
How about keep score of how dozens are hitting, Say 1stdoz 10,2nddoz 10, 3rddoz 4, you'll have watched or played 24 spins or 8 mini games of 3.
If betting against 1,2,3 with 3 quiet,surely you'd win your game,even if one game is 3,3,3 and 3 thats your 4, 3's done, win.
orochi thanks for your findings......i have concluded the same many pages ago....but i do not wish to deflate anyones dreams.......i do wish orochi that you have a deeper look at the 9 number system .....i have had luck... maybe your exstensive attitude towards testing may bring you the same......all in all i still hope we all find what were looking for and like i say keepontryin......i am a pen and paper guy but i do like the stop loss and take profit approach.....its more like investing then gambling.....
Have you seen a block of 6 repeat yet orochi?
Dudes, while betting against 221221 or whatever seems like a sane idea, just keep in mind 331331 has the same chance of appearing (and repeating) as 233331, or 112231, or whatever.
Betting on a rolling basis against the last sixth dozen to appear has therefore the same effect. The key to its success seems the parlay progression that will stand until L6. L4falls often when betting 24 numbers. L6 not so, but you know what happens when it happens.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 02, 08:06 AM 2016
Have you seen a block of 6 repeat yet orochi?
Yes a have seen
Quote from: psimoes on Jan 02, 09:19 AM 2016
Dudes, while betting against 221221 or whatever seems like a sane idea, just keep in mind 331331 has the same chance of appearing (and repeating) as 233331, or 112231, or whatever.
Betting on a rolling basis against the last sixth dozen to appear has therefore the same effect. The key to its success seems the parlay progression that will stand until L6. L4falls often when betting 24 numbers. L6 not so, but you know what happens when it happens.
Yesterday i have seen at my local casino 1st dozen hit 9 times in a row. I was betting against 1,1,3 guess what happen?
Soon, soon.....it may even take a couple months but you'll realize the very thing I was getting slammed for (being negative), this won't work. No triggers and no progressions. You'll get it, soon.
Ken
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 01, 08:58 AM 2016
With odd of lossing 1 out 860. You need to be very unlucky to loose
PARLAY progression is:
1-1
2-2
3-3; 4-4
6-6; 7-7
10-10; 15-15
18-18; 27-27
Just to clarify. Because im going today
When you get your trigger 6 block
For example
223 223
You then bet against that from occuring again with the parlay progression but only going up to next level on a win then quitting when win goal hit. Stay at 1-1 then after a win bet 2-2 against that same pattern?
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 02, 11:14 AM 2016
Soon, soon.....it may even take a couple months but you'll realize the very thing I was getting slammed for (being negative), this won't work. No triggers and no progressions. You'll get it, soon.
Ken
I was betting against 1,1,3
1 L - 1-1
1 L - 2-2
1 W - 3-3
1 L - 4-4
1 L - 6-6
1 W - 7-7
New Trigger 1,1,1 1,1,1
1 L - 10-10
1 L - 15-15
1 L - 18-18
3 W - 27-27
1 L - 33-33
O L - 49-49
2 W - 60-60
2 W - 90-90
Damm nightmare, but i won!
But i going to risk it again?! DAMN NO !!!! Lesson learn. I start with 10â,¬-10â,¬. If i lost how much it cost me !?!? To get 10â,¬ profit.
HG
Reference to Orochi.
This is in essence the "UP and PULL" method. Always taking a profit on the way up and pulling some of it..
Good MM I must say.
But Old Hat if you follow Patrick.
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 02, 11:40 AM 2016
I was betting against 1,1,3
1 L - 1-1
1 L - 2-2
1 W - 3-3
1 L - 4-4
1 L - 6-6
1 W - 7-7
New Trigger 1,1,1 1,1,1
1 L - 10-10
1 L - 15-15
1 L - 18-18
3 W - 27-27
1 L - 33-33
O L - 49-49
2 W - 60-60
2 W - 90-90
Damm nightmare, but i won!
But i going to risk it again?! DAMN NO !!!! Lesson learn. I start with 10â,¬-10â,¬. If i lost how much it cost me !?!? To get 10â,¬ profit.
Ok i understand
Im going to have to play a watered down version
Only risking $300 with $10 units
I also will play a recreational for fun column method
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 02, 11:40 AM 2016
I was betting against 1,1,3
1 L - 1-1
1 L - 2-2
1 W - 3-3
1 L - 4-4
1 L - 6-6
1 W - 7-7
New Trigger 1,1,1 1,1,1
1 L - 10-10
1 L - 15-15
1 L - 18-18
3 W - 27-27
1 L - 33-33
O L - 49-49
2 W - 60-60
2 W - 90-90
Damm nightmare, but i won!
But i going to risk it again?! DAMN NO !!!! Lesson learn. I start with 10â,¬-10â,¬. If i lost how much it cost me !?!? To get 10â,¬ profit.
I know a lot of people wont like this. You probably wont either
But if i saw 113 then 113 again. Id bet against it with 139. In your example it won on 3rd bet
113
113
Then you had
111. Win on 3rd
111. Win on 3rd again
I like the element of risk
This is gambling after all. using disopsable money
So no need to hear one day it will come
No matter what its GAMBLING. Whether you bet 2 numbers or 34 numbers
Would it be "more safe" to play a sequence with all 3 dozens involved?
A sequence with 113 113 can mean that 2 can be a big sleeper and 1 goes for a streak. Then we have 111 111 and 1 goes for streak and we play against it? Pretty dangerous to go against a streak like that.
Quote from: Interstate89 on Jan 02, 12:18 PM 2016
Would it be "more safe" to play a sequence with all 3 dozens involved?
A sequence with 113 113 can mean that 2 can be a big sleeper and 1 goes for a streak. Then we have 111 111 and 1 goes for streak and we play against it? Pretty dangerous to go against a streak like that.
Thats why i pushed beting against a unique so hard
Ryamanz twek
Only triggers are
123
132
213
231
312
321
The math says 123 and 122 are the same
My tests over thousands of spins do not reflect they are the same though
In my world betting against a unique sequence is better
See raymanz tweak grassroots thread :)
Hence why playing against 123 hit and run works so well
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 02, 12:20 PM 2016
Thats why i pushed beting against a unique so hard
Ryamanz twek
Only triggers are
123
132
213
231
312
321
The math says 123 and 122 are the same
My tests over thousands of spins do not reflect they are the same though
In my world betting against a unique sequence is better
See raymanz tweak grassroots thread :)
Hence why playing against 123 hit and run works so well
SRY u are wrong! I will post the test excel file following Ryamanz tweak. And again see for yourself!
raymanz tweak grassroots
TESTED IN EXCEL
looks very good to me. no losses
no unique repeated in any of those mini games
Priyanka says
QuoteHow many of us have wondered why a few systems always work well at the start and then the graphs grow towards the south? If you are not one of those who has experienced this, then you have not played enough roulette. The law of large numbers always catches up. This is why when some one tests thousands of spins, you always get a southward graph. So what is the issue? Your playing sessions are not short enough to stay ahead of the curve for forseeable future.
hi orochi,
checked your trackers...sorry to say...there are a lot of mistakes which affect the result.
see attached pic...raymanz tweak. 3 uniques, but no bet. so there are two wins missing.
the other trackers made these mistakes as well.
anyway...thanks for testing.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jan 02, 06:40 PM 2016
hi orochi,
checked your trackers...sorry to say...there are a lot of mistakes which affect the result.
see attached pic...raymanz tweak. 3 uniques, but no bet. so there are two wins missing.
the other trackers made these mistakes as well.
anyway...thanks for testing.
on orichis excel sheet of raymanz tweak every single trigger resulted in a win.....every single one.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 02, 06:46 PM 2016
on orichis excel sheet of raymanz tweak every single trigger resulted in a win.....every single one.
:thumbsup:
jep...something went wrong with the formulas....keep tracking with my own tracker.
see you rg ;)
i copied and pasted orochis excel spread sheet of raymanz tweak
i hate to say it. but i guess if you think THIS is bad then you havent tried 80 percent of the "systems" on this forum
I HAVE NEVER seen a win rate like the one with raymanz tweaks.......
-102 spins
-9 triggers
-9 wins
1st chart is orochis excel ray test
2nd chart is mine from zumma
what do ya know? each trigger resulted in a mini game win
MY HG
edit: make that 12 wins on the first chart. 3 triggers were missed, each results in a win, as expected
the rules:
-take a chart 3 wide or a baccarat card.
-write the dozens that come from left to right. 3 results. then go down the next row
-when you have a unique formation such as 123, 132, 213, 231, 312, 321, in a single row, bet against it in the next row
-i use a 1 3 9 progression so a win on any of the 3 attempts is profit. i used to do 1 2 5 but to grindy.
-very rare to see a unique repeat. you will see it. if you think you will not see it then dont play it.
- long term testing is no good, aim for a few units within 2 hours time and be out.
- my advice if you play online with LOW unit size. bet against previous 3 each go, stopping on a win until the next row. have a recovery bank increase chip size for a loss, which is where orochis trigger of a repeat kicks in (ex. 223 223)...when you have a unique increase unit size on next mini game and bet against it.
im going to let the thread die now
-102 spins
-9 triggers
-9 wins
1st chart is orochis excel ray test
2nd chart is mine from zumma
what do ya know? each trigger resulted in a mini game win
>>>>> Two questions. I'm not reading every page again.
With 102 spins and 9 triggers, does that mean one game is played every 11 spins? (if yes, what do you do the other 10 spins?)
and, "each trigger resulted in a mini game win" >> Are you basing a HG on 9/9?
Ken
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jan 02, 06:40 PM 2016
hi orochi,
checked your trackers...sorry to say...there are a lot of mistakes which affect the result.
see attached pic...raymanz tweak. 3 uniques, but no bet. so there are two wins missing.
the other trackers made these mistakes as well.
anyway...thanks for testing.
JUST FIXED THE MISSING PATTERN "3,2,1"
RE-UPLOAD the TRACKERraymanz let me know if it follow all the rules.
Have a doubt in the bellow image, if u bet those or not, cause they are more than 2 in a row
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 02, 08:10 PM 2016
and, "each trigger resulted in a mini game win" >> Are you basing a HG on 9/9?
Ken
9/9 ? No way
Ive tested thousands of spins with raymanz tweak. All winners. Proof is in the pudding
You wait for a trigger. Whatever you do in 10 spins is upto you. Another system? Nothing?
Why would you assume i call it my personal HG because of 9 wins when you KNOW i have posted tons of test charts
If you are willing to send me your personal casino past spins ill gladly chart it to see how it performs....with ths tweak
Tested over 2000 zumma spins with this tweak. And real wheel. And smart live. And celtic
You know ive tested a lot. 9/9...phst
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 02, 08:16 PM 2016
9/9 ? No way
Ive tested thousands of spins with raymanz tweak. All winners. Proof is in the pudding
You wait for a trigger. Whatever you do in 10 spins is upto you. Another system? Nothing?
Why would you assume i call it my personal HG because of 9 wins when you KNOW i have posted tons of test charts
If you are willing to send me your personal casino past spins ill gladly chart it to see how it performs....with ths tweak
Tested over 2000 zumma spins with this tweak. And real wheel. And smart live. And celtic
You know ive tested a lot. 9/9...phst
But STILL no actual trip report.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 02, 08:16 PM 2016
9/9 ? No way
Ive tested thousands of spins with raymanz tweak. All winners. Proof is in the pudding
You wait for a trigger. Whatever you do in 10 spins is upto you. Another system? Nothing?
Why would you assume i call it my personal HG because of 9 wins when you KNOW i have posted tons of test charts
If you are wiing to send me your personal casino past spins ill gladly chart it to see how it performs....with ths tweak
I'm an hourly kind of guy. I think (please correct me) air ball is around 50 spins per hour?
I do know, an actual wheel is around 40 spins per hour (based on how busy). So I'll be cool, we'll say 50. So 5 wins per hour, ASSUMING no losses but again, I'll be cool, no losses.
It would have to be based on UNIT SIZE, correct? I believe you said, two hours for YOU, then leave, dont expose yourself. (your words). So, we'll say 10 wins (assuming no losses). Thats not factoring in, drive time, to and from the casino. Some people DRIVE 2.5 hours to get to one.
10 wins...your unit size has to be decent and not "chump change" or it isn't worth it. Years back at GG, someone posted a thread (cant remember who or the method name) of their HG. The author also posted, it was unplayable but....still a HG. We (myself included) tested and tested the hell out of this thing, it truely held up.
Bottom line was, it made around $2.65 per hour, based on 40 spins per hour. QUESTION >> Is that still a HG?
Thats a great poll question (lol), I'm really getting into this poll stuff.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 02, 08:29 PM 2016
I'm an hourly kind of guy. I think (please correct me) air ball is around 50 spins per hour?
I do know, an actual wheel is around 40 spins per hour (based on how busy). So I'll be cool, we'll say 50. So 5 wins per hour, ASSUMING no losses but again, I'll be cool, no losses.
It would have to be based on UNIT SIZE, correct? I believe you said, two hours for YOU, then leave? (your words). So, we'll say 10 wins (assuming no losses). Thats not factoring in, drive time. To and from the casino. Some people DRIVE 2.5 hours to get to it.
10 wins...your unit size has to be decent and not "chump change" or it isn't worth it. Years back at GG, someone posted a thread (cant remember who or the method name) of their HG. The author also posted, it was unplayable but....still a HG. We (myself included) tested and tested the hell out of this thing, it truely held up.
Bottom line was, it made around $2.65 per hour, based on 40 spins per hour. QUESTION >> Is that still a HG?
Thats a great poll question (lol), I'm really getting into this poll stuff.
Ken
$10 units. $100 in 2 hours easy. The math shows and the actuals show roughly 5 triggers an hour. However you can add columns and double the triggers
Like you stated i also have tested the hell out of this thing. It holds up as you say.
I think 5 bets an hour is playable. 10 if you add columns
You test a strategy and say it held up. I test this strategy it holds up. Good stuff
Mr j. Can you do me a favor. Seriously
Take a chart 3 wide. Wait for a unique formation. Bet against it. Test it. Please.
"It holds up as you say" >> To be CLEAR, I meant the unplayable method at GG years back.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 02, 08:35 PM 2016
"It holds up as you say" >> To be CLEAR, I meant the unplayable method at GG years back.
Ken
I know what u meant
Do me a favor. Seriously. Test this.
Like u see it in my chart
While you play your methods just track this for the hell of it. And you will see
Reply # 1410
Zumma test
See 2nd chart with the green
9 triggers between dozens and columns in 75 spins
Mini games only not rolling
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 02, 08:36 PM 2016
I know what u meant
Do me a favor. Seriously. Test this.
Like u see it in my chart
While you play your methods just track this for the hell of it. And you will see
Not insulting you (but you'll take it as such), I dont play 24 numbers and I dont do progressions.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 02, 08:48 PM 2016
Not insulting you (but you'll take it as such), I dont play 24 numbers and I dont do progressions.
Ken
Fair enough
I respect that
Well. You can play it virtually while you play your strategy. Just to see why im promoting it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 02, 08:50 PM 2016
Fair enough
I respect that
Well. You can play it virtually while you play your strategy. Just to see why im promoting it
Leads me to my other question, why promote it? Please, not the usual goofy answer, we're all one big team!! Out to kick casino a** !!!!
Ken
Id perfer to just let the thread die. 95 pages. Whoever learned from it did already. Im going to exit the thread now.
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 02, 09:08 PM 2016
Leads me to my other question, why promote it? Please, not the usual goofy answer, we're all one big team!! Out to kick casino a** !!!!
Ken
Isnt that what the forums for
Test. show results. Promote a winner
Or do i have that wrong
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 02, 09:10 PM 2016
Isnt that what the forums for
Test. show results. Promote a winner
Or do i have that wrong
Not saying you're wrong, I'm only asking. People do it in different ways.
Myself? My preference...I post it and if you dont like the method, I won't lose sleep over it. Like I said, everyone is different though. Ken needs to worry about Ken.
RG needs to worry about RG etc.
POST....make some money at the casino....everyone else? Good luck.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 02, 09:21 PM 2016
Not saying you're wrong, I'm only asking. People do it in different ways.
Myself? My preference...I post it and if you dont like the method, I won't lose sleep over it. Like I said, everyone is different though. Ken needs to worry about Ken.
RG needs to worry about RG etc.
POST....make some money at the casino....everyone else? Good luck.
Ken
When people test wrong or dont test at all and do nothing but inject negativity i have to counter it
Because it hurts the point. And causes a few people to join but NOT post and only contact me via PM because they were turned off by the negativity
One guy up big with a variation. Wont post though. Only PM.
So it needs to change. If people disagree or dont like it goto another thread. Thats how i feel
When someone posts a method i leave it alone if i dont test it
If you disagree then post a test with proof of actual spins and show why it doesnt work. Because there are people posting tests
Quote from: Orochi on Jan 02, 11:40 AM 2016
I was betting against 1,1,3
1 L - 1-1
1 L - 2-2
1 W - 3-3
1 L - 4-4
1 L - 6-6
1 W - 7-7
New Trigger 1,1,1 1,1,1
1 L - 10-10
1 L - 15-15
1 L - 18-18
3 W - 27-27
1 L - 33-33
O L - 49-49
2 W - 60-60
2 W - 90-90
Damm nightmare, but i won!
But i going to risk it again?! DAMN NO !!!! Lesson learn. I start with 10â,¬-10â,¬. If i lost how much it cost me !?!? To get 10â,¬ profit.
BINGO, this is my point. You won but in reality, its a big NO for the next time. Its not a playable situation for your nerves.
SOLUTION? >> Again, for most players, lower the unit size (I have no issue with that). Less risk and less sweaty palms. The down side?...ok we won but because of the lower units, is it NOW worth the time?
Ken
rg.........relax......no ones a pain each has there own take to this system ...or systems..... or method .....or strategy........its changed hands so much it seems to some as we keep going around and around and around.........as i say keepontryin
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 03, 09:57 PM 2016
We are all friends (I think).....lets take a breath. I always wondered about locking a thread for 24 hours, just to cool off?
Ken (GO PACK GO !!!!!) 3 damn points at the half? My team sucks this year, hate to say it.
i have work tomorrow after 4 days off. have to deal with the public at a car dealership. i am nothing more then annoyed
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 03, 09:59 PM 2016
i have work tomorrow after 4 days off. have to deal with the public at a car dealership. i am nothing more then annoyed
You mean your job?
Ken
yes
which i would like to replace with 2 hours a day at casino
One thing I´d like to point out: only the actual bets should count as "real spins" when testing. If some method only recommends to place a bet every 10 spins or so, you can´t say something like " still going strong after 2000 spins" when in fact it´s only holding for 200.
O.K.
I offered this before.....start a new thread with the exact rules (copy/paste if needed) of the various ways to play it. I can then lock this.
Ken
Original poster, post #1 evidentally has the right idea in mind
All i believed from the beginning was that this is a good idea to build from
Grabbed this from a lotto site
Quote"DON'T COUNT ON 1-2-3-4-5
It's the absolute worst number combina-tion to play in any lottery drawing. "It's guaranteed not to win," says Howard. Not only are these digits all at the tail end of the number spectrum, but the odds that consecutive numbers will ever be drawn are slim to none. Yet, it's the most popularly played number set. "Even after my 25 years of preaching against it, they (lottery retailers) still must sell 20,000 tickets every drawing with that combination," she says."
using the above quote, is it beyond the realm of possibility that dividing the wheel into 6 number groups (6 groups of 6 equals 36) and betting that they will not hit in order 1 2 3 4 5 6
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 06, 10:35 PM 2016
Original poster, post #1 evidentally has the right idea in mind
All i believed from the beginning was that this is a good idea to build from
Grabbed this from a lotto site
using the above quote, is it beyond the realm of possibility that dividing the wheel into 6 number groups (6 groups of 6 equals 36) and betting that they will not hit in order 1 2 3 4 5 6
To make it easier for betting, what about the DS's, 1-6? Either one bet or 3 splits.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 06, 10:35 PM 2016
Original poster, post #1 evidentally has the right idea in mind
All i believed from the beginning was that this is a good idea to build from
Grabbed this from a lotto site
using the above quote, is it beyond the realm of possibility that dividing the wheel into 6 number groups (6 groups of 6 equals 36) and betting that they will not hit in order 1 2 3 4 5 6
I agree. It's like a lot of things where you have to stop, and reset your thinking. And go back to
the original premise. I like the original 123. And I think that fashioning a method where you lean in
a direction of more hits, and not too much money risk is a better place for a method that you can
play without blood pressure meds.
I think that placing the loss in a position of "less likely" is a good one. In accordance with what Ken
has been saying about not fooling yourself with a notebook of results, but real ones that you can
deal with in reality.
And this last one about the 1,2,3,4,5,6 thing has merit. Prerhaps fodder for the new thread where
we can rip each other apart for 100 pages. It's really a masochistic thing here in the forum. Like
hockey used to be. Nothing better than a good brawl.
Anyway, I can't speak to statistics, but it almost does seem like a winner to just sit and play against
a 1,2,3, and take the occasional 28 unit loss. Maybe something like double your unit after a loss for
some recoup, figuring that lightning won't strike twice in the same place.
But again, embracing the "unlikely".
(See you in the next thread. Who's going to start it?)
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 07, 11:40 AM 2016
Anyway, I can't speak to statistics, but it almost does seem like a winner to just sit and play against
a 1,2,3, and take the occasional 28 unit loss. Maybe something like double your unit after a loss for
some recoup, figuring that lightning won't strike twice in the same place.
But again, embracing the "unlikely".
(See you in the next thread. Who's going to start it?)
That is what i promoted. Actually you just paraphrased what i had said a few times
The fact is playing against 1 2 3 with a 1 3 9 we will lose. No doubt we will hit a 123
It has shown to work hit and run. Also ive seen pages in zumma that do not have a single 123 at all. Ive yet to see 123123. Havent seen it yet.
A 66k spin test had 123 repeat back to back (123 123) 31 times. Thats roughly every 2000 spins. 2 separate casino visits i wont 7 units and then 10 units playing this way. With money i can afford to lose of course.
So if that is good enough for an individual player then yes you can play against 123 then when lose increase the 139 unit size
Everyones different.
But for me if i had the bankroll
Id do 10 10, 30 30, 90 90
If lose
50 50, 150 150, 450 450
IF I HAD THAT KIND OF MONEY TO THROW AROUND. i said many times this should work wonders for very small unit sIze. penny players. Would be very small risk.
Will i win a lot. Probably. Will i hit 123123. Eventually.......and it will hurt
But food for thought for hit and run. The chances of 123123 happening immediately are as slim as me and you being best buds. So it is "safe" in my opinion
Have free time like yourself? Wait for a 123 then begin
No need for any negative remarks from anyone. These are my thoughts.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 07, 12:50 PM 2016
That is what i promoted. Actually you just paraphrased what i had said a few times
The fact is playing against 1 2 3 with a 1 3 9 we will lose. No doubt we will hit a 123
It has shown to work hit and run. Also ive seen pages in zumma that do not have a single 123 at all. Ive yet to see 123123. Havent seen it yet.
A 66k spin test had 123 repeat back to back (123 123) 31 times. Thats roughly every 2000 spins. 2 separate casino visits i wont 7 units and then 10 units playing this way. With money i can afford to lose of course.
So if that is good enough for an individual player then yes you can play against 123 then when lose increase the 139 unit size
Everyones different.
But for me if i had the bankroll
Id do 10 10, 30 30, 90 90
If lose
50 50, 150 150, 450 450
IF I HAD THAT KIND OF MONEY TO THROW AROUND. i said many times this should work wonders for very small unit sIze. penny players. Would be very small risk.
Will i win a lot. Probably. Will i hit 123123. Eventually.......and it will hurt
But food for thought for hit and run. The chances of 123123 happening immediately are as slim as me and you being best buds. So it is "safe" in my opinion
Have free time like yourself? Wait for a 123 then begin
No need for any negative remarks from anyone. These are my thoughts.
This is very true. But why does it have to be 123? Why not just whatever pattern
of 3 that just happened.
As to the 123 or 123123, the "loss" would have to be in sync with the outcome.
You would literally have to not bet that exact spin. You might start the series
1-2 before or after the "1". Which is likely.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 08, 10:21 AM 2016
This is very true. But why does it have to be 123? Why not just whatever pattern
of 3 that just happened.
You meam against previous 3?
With the correct money management it may be a winner
;)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 08, 10:31 AM 2016
You meam against previous 3?
With the correct money management it may be a winner
;)
Yes, I think that was one of the middle tweaks for the moving target.
The idea being that now you have many chances.
I just tried Raymanz' tweak. (bet against the last
three)-at Sun Palace wheel (Grande Vegas) real money.
Won four times in a row, then it tanked on the fifth attempt.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 08, 09:53 PM 2016
I just tried Raymanz' tweak. (bet against the last
three)-at Sun Palace wheel (Grande Vegas) real money.
Won four times in a row, then it tanked on the fifth attempt.
Thats not raymanz tweak
Bet against previous 3......when unique only is the proper way.
Number 1 issue here. Not testing properly.
Bet against previous 3--RG
I did just that (three unique dozens)
It took about two hours to wait for all five
triggers. I played the last two legs of the system.
------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm thinking it's a better 'one session' system/day.
Bet moderate to heavy for one session only, leave.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 08, 11:23 PM 2016
Bet against previous 3--RG
I did just that (three unique dozens)
It took about two hours to wait for all five
triggers. I played the last two legs of the system.
------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm thinking it's a better 'one session' system/day.
Bet moderate to heavy for one session only, leave.
Agree
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 04:05 AM 2016
Agree
That's rough. So you hit an identical repeat of the unique pattern?
What betting method? Progression?
I have to say I can't get out of my head what RG said somewhere. Somehow
you can test something to DEATH and finally, when you're money is on the
table you get screwed. Like the table knows you showed up. It can feel that
way.
The reason I poked in was I had a thought. And I suppose this thought isn't worth much.
But maybe. I was thinking about watching the patterns (unique or something I haven't
thought of) from not the last one, but the one before, and using it. My logic (if
there can be any) would be that there are trends in the data, and doing that
MIGHT keep you out of the trend path. Don't know. Just an idea.
As far as the uniques, Not sure if you were waiting for a unique lock step with the
grid of 3's. I tend to look for them asynchronous. Just the unique pattern no matter
how it happens. But like I said, perhaps a different trigger from an earlier one.
as you can see all wins
a loss at 139 would hurt and would require increasing chip size for recovery
not for anyone with scared money of course
must find MM
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 10:24 AM 2016
as you can see all wins
a loss at 139 would hurt and would require increasing chip size for recovery
not for anyone with scared money of course
must find MM
How do you make those charts.
Google.com
Google drive
Google sheets
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 05:54 PM 2016
Google.com
Google drive
Google sheets
Zumma. Pg 78. First try.
No uniques on the dozens. Spin322 on columbs
C B A
0 B A
Yea
Always cover 0
I have said many times in this thread we can see:
123
103
0 is not part of any dozen
So for this method insurance on 0 is a must
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 09, 06:23 PM 2016
Yea
Always cover 0
I have said many times in this thread we can see:
123
103
0 is not part of any dozen
So for this method insurance on 0 is a must
It's not clear to me how much that helps. Or if it just makes
you feel better. I continued and hit another loss on the columbs
on pg 80. B A C B A C. So either way it was a bust.
While I was testing it, I was kind of watching play for MATCHING
dozens.
I honestly feel....which dozens you play and when you play them, makes NO difference.
To be fair, it kind of makes me look inconsistent. I play certain numbers (2-4) for certain reasons.
Is my style of betting the SAME as dozens? Perhaps.
Ken
We're almost there i think.. :thumbsup:
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 10, 12:34 PM 2016
I honestly feel....which dozens you play and when you play them, makes NO difference.
To be fair, it kind of makes me look inconsistent. I play certain numbers (2-4) for certain reasons.
Is my style of betting the SAME as dozens? Perhaps.
Ken
I made a long reply to this and it got lost.
mogul397
Your not suggesting foul play :ooh:
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 10, 12:34 PM 2016
I honestly feel....which dozens you play and when you play them, makes NO difference.
To be fair, it kind of makes me look inconsistent. I play certain numbers (2-4) for certain reasons.
Is my style of betting the SAME as dozens? Perhaps.
Ken
No. A dozen is 12. 2-4 is 2-4... :P :D
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 10, 02:49 PM 2016
mogul397
Your not suggesting foul play :ooh:
Beats me...... disappeared.
Anyway, what I thought was that it doesn't seem like it's too hard to lose by getting
the exact match of 3 with this. That supports the earlier tweak of that 123123 thing.
If you want to go in this direction, I think that picking something like 123 and betting against it
is probably as good or better than a lot of things. Or jumping around.
What I notice is that there are themes in the data. And some of the themes involve stuff like
repetition vs uniques. So when you wait for the unique you are targeting a time period when
they are coming that way.
Also being restricted to only 3 before catastrophe is bad. It doesn't seem too hard to be
hitting the single dozens, and that is a lot more manageable money management. A progression
and the like. Either way there is no guarantee. But it always seems, like what I mention about
trends, that we seek out the exact type trend that will kill us.
I think that you need to be betting all the time somehow to be making the units, and not just
hit or miss. Because that is just wasting time.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 11, 09:25 AM 2016
Beats me...... disappeared.
Anyway, what I thought was that it doesn't seem like it's too hard to lose by getting
the exact match of 3 with this. That supports the earlier tweak of that 123123 thing.
If you want to go in this direction, I think that picking something like 123 and betting against it
is probably as good or better than a lot of things. Or jumping around.
What I notice is that there are themes in the data. And some of the themes involve stuff like
repetition vs uniques. So when you wait for the unique you are targeting a time period when
they are coming that way.
Also being restricted to only 3 before catastrophe is bad. It doesn't seem too hard to be
hitting the single dozens, and that is a lot more manageable money management. A progression
and the like. Either way there is no guarantee. But it always seems, like what I mention about
trends, that we seek out the exact type trend that will kill us.
I think that you need to be betting all the time somehow to be making the units, and not just
hit or miss. Because that is just wasting time.
As orochi pointed out 123123 is as good a trigger as 233233
Do i agree? No
Why do i not agree? A random entity wont produce consecutive results often
Thats why when it comes to the grassroots tweaks betting against previous 3 when unique only is top of my list
If i see 213 you better belive im betting against that sucker. Will i lose? At times. Maybe one out of 300 spins as the math says
You show me 123 123 123. Find it in zumma
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 11, 09:29 AM 2016
As orochi pointed out 123123 is as good a trigger as 233233
Do i agree? No
Why do i not agree? A random entity wont produce consecutive results often
Thats why when it comes to the grassroots tweaks betting against previous 3 when unique only is top of my list
If i see 213 you better belive im betting against that sucker. Will i lose? At times. Maybe one out of 300 spins as the math says
You show me 123 123 123. Find it in zumma
Well part of what I was suggesting (maybe it was in the post that got lost) is that it seems like
when you find a certain tendency (like uniques) that that is what is happening a lot.
So it seems like the chance is greater that the unique will repeat. In the larger pool of
saying that things are clustering or repeating.
I remember, back in my Mr C craps days when I was tracking tables, it seemed like
I could predict the next number. Or pick at roulette. I actually did it a few times.
Can I define what I saw or felt? Not exactly. But it doesn't hurt to be aware of it.
RG
I thought you had mentioned it before but I cannot find it so please excuse me for asking but would you please tell me what unit of 0/00 insurance you suggest in each of the 1 3 9 stage3s of betting?
I stumbled ontop this website by accident about a week ago and because of this system suggestion and your inputs I decided this was a great place to be.
I have been using the system discussed on this thread for European and American roulette online and in a brick and mortar casino 5 minutes from my house.
So far I am up about $200.00 on $5 and $10 bets.
I cannot agree more on your statements about money management and self discipline.
On my $5 bets I quit after winning $20 and on the $10 bets once I have hit $50.
I get a laugh from the other players that ask why I am leaving after only about 1/2 hour of play and I just tell them that I have made 20% on my bankroll and it is time to go. They do not get it and when I ask how they are doing they all said that they were down and trying to recoup their losses.
Patience and discipline are needed whther people believe it or not.
Again, Thank you and all of the other knowledgable people on this forum and please let me know about the 0/00 insurance levels.
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 12, 02:25 AM 2016
RG
I thought you had mentioned it before but I cannot find it so please excuse me for asking but would you please tell me what unit of 0/00 insurance you suggest in each of the 1 3 9 stage3s of betting?
I stumbled ontop this website by accident about a week ago and because of this system suggestion and your inputs I decided this was a great place to be.
I have been using the system discussed on this thread for European and American roulette online and in a brick and mortar casino 5 minutes from my house.
So far I am up about $200.00 on $5 and $10 bets.
I cannot agree more on your statements about money management and self discipline.
On my $5 bets I quit after winning $20 and on the $10 bets once I have hit $50.
I get a laugh from the other players that ask why I am leaving after only about 1/2 hour of play and I just tell them that I have made 20% on my bankroll and it is time to go. They do not get it and when I ask how they are doing they all said that they were down and trying to recoup their losses.
Patience and discipline are needed whther people believe it or not.
Again, Thank you and all of the other knowledgable people on this forum and please let me know about the 0/00 insurance levels.
Hey welcome
The only thing i mentioned was a break even chip
Not looking to profit off 0 (for me anyway) just enough so that if 321 happens and i bet against 321 and 301 happens im not up the creek without a paddle
0 is not part of a dozen so it can hurt the method. Besides what harm is done doing it?
321
301
Ouch
Roulette is pretty unbeatable. So grassroots opened my eyes to a new way of thinking: bet against the wheel spitting out fixed patterns
Which tweak are you using? Or is it the original from post 1 courtesy of onetaste?
Glad you have won. Ive played against 123 twice hit and run. Won both times. Rest has been practice sessions
Thanks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 12, 06:37 AM 2016
Hey welcome
The only thing i mentioned was a break even chip
Not looking to profit off 0 (for me anyway) just enough so that if 321 happens and i bet against 321 and 301 happens im not up the creek without a paddle
0 is not part of a dozen so it can hurt the method. Besides what harm is done doing it?
321
301
Ouch
Roulette is pretty unbeatable. So grassroots opened my eyes to a new way of thinking: bet against the wheel spitting out fixed patterns
Which tweak are you using? Or is it the original from post 1 courtesy of onetaste?
Glad you have won. Ive played against 123 twice hit and run. Won both times. Rest has been practice sessions
Thanks
RG
I understand. I too was only looking to break even on the dreaded '0' showing up.
I am not using a tweak per se but do bet after any sequence of 123 showing ie. 123 132 213 231 etc....
I also bet 2 columns at a time during the 123 betting round so you can see why I was interested in the insurance chip issue.
I was an avid Blackjack player but the time involved at the tables is a heck of a lot longer for me than it is for roulette.
I can count cards but with continuous shufflers and other rule restrictions on blackjack these days the player advantage dwindles ie. the house advantage % goes up, so I decided to give roulette a try.
I am fairly new to roulette but love the mathematics behind it.
With a 5%+ plus house advantage on roulette the hit and run method is the only way to go in my opinion.
Thank you for answering my question.
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 12, 10:21 AM 2016
RG
I understand. I too was only looking to break even on the dreaded '0' showing up.
I am not using a tweak per se but do bet after any sequence of 123 showing ie. 123 132 213 231 etc....
I also bet 2 columns at a time during the 123 betting round so you can see why I was interested in the insurance chip issue.
I was an avid Blackjack player but the time involved at the tables is a heck of a lot longer for me than it is for roulette.
I can count cards but with continuous shufflers and other rule restrictions on blackjack these days the player advantage dwindles ie. the house advantage % goes up, so I decided to give roulette a try.
I am fairly new to roulette but love the mathematics behind it.
With a 5%+ plus house advantage on roulette the hit and run method is the only way to go in my opinion.
Thank you for answering my question.
No problem
Blackjack intrigued me at one point.
Because playing with basic strategy drops house edge to .5%
So i was convinced a progression would work
I was wrong lol
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 12, 10:26 AM 2016
No problem
Blackjack intrigued me at one point.
Because playing with basic strategy drops house edge to .5%
So i was convinced a progression would work
I was wrong lol
I laughed at your statement regarding a progression betting system on blackjack and am reminded or the number of times I have seen individuals lose small fortunes using the Martingale system.
If you can card count and can find a game with liberal rules ie 1-2 deck games, surrender offered, doubling after splitting, no continuous shufflers etc you can actually have an advantage over the house. These blackjack games are few and far between these days and involve a lot of travel expense from where I live.
I was intrigued by roulette primarily because of the shorter playing times and when I stumbled on to the 123 system I decided to give it a try.
So far......So good.
I was thinking of using mr majiks MM with blackjack basic strategy.
It requires 1 back to back win within 12 decisions
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 12, 12:01 PM 2016
I was thinking of using mr majiks MM with blackjack basic strategy.
It requires 1 back to back win within 12 decisions
Uh Huh!!!!!!!!!!
All I can say is DANGER DANGER DANGER!!!!!!
I have tried dozens of these methods but in the long run flat betting has always proven best.
One of the issues if you increase your bet to make up for past losses is that you may hedge on splitting and doubling down which will cost you if you don't follow through.
Here's an idea:
Pick a wager amount and multiply it by 30.
This is your BR.
I also use this BR amount as my stop limit but sometimes will quit if I lose 50-75% of it.
Play your flat bet amount until you see a 20% profit.
The ups and downs if you are playing perfect basic strategy can go on for hours with this, or, you can reach your profit level in 3 minutes.
There again you should always set a stop and profit limit in any gambling activity in my opinion.
Greed will KILL you.
Anyways, message me if you want any blackjack information as I do not want to be accused of using this roulette forum for blackjack.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 12, 12:59 PM 2016
I have tried dozens of these methods but in the long run flat betting has always proven best.
Have you tried (edit) System? It's the only blackjack system I use. Although I dont play blackjack for real money it's a system that makes the game a lot more interesting and a lot more fun!.
Simon.
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 12, 12:59 PM 2016
Anyways, message me if you want any blackjack information as I do not want to be accused of using this roulette forum for blackjack.
If you have something useful, just show us.
Whatever can make money (?), black&white jack...
Thanks
Quote from: nextyear on Jan 13, 05:59 AM 2016
If you have something useful, just show us.
Whatever can make money (?), black&white jack...
Thanks
How about we stick to roulette here. I have no interest in BJ.
Anyway, it looks to me like there is no definitive "method" going on except to guess
at your picks and make 1,3,9 progression bets.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 13, 12:02 PM 2016
How about we stick to roulette here. I have no interest in BJ.
Anyway, it looks to me like there is no definitive "method" going on except to guess
at your picks and make 1,3,9 progression bets.
No, you don't guess your picks.
The original "method" is to bet against 123. The other tweaks are to bet against other unique patterns, such as 213, 321, 231 etc.
Other progressions besides 1,3,9 have been presented aswell.
Betting dozens on a 0/00 wheel in any form or manner does not require too much brain power even with half the brain tied behind ones back.
Experience my dear Watson.
Quote from: celescliff on Jan 13, 12:14 PM 2016
No, you don't guess your picks.
The original "method" is to bet against 123. The other tweaks are to bet against other unique patterns, such as 213, 321, 231 etc.
Other progressions besides 1,3,9 have been presented aswell.
:thumbsup:
Even with a .5% HE progression fails in BJ
At least roulette has many variables so you can bet against rarer patterns
8)
Here's a MM idea I have been playing with that seems to work every time for this betting method.
1.) Wait until the 1 2 3 sequence, or a variant, shows up
2.) Use a straight Marty on only ONE of the Dozens ... I was usually selecting the last dozen to show up in the sequence
Keep betting that same dozen with the Marty progression until you win.
Don't forget the 0/00 IB once your bet gets high enough to warrant it
If the 1st bet is low (say $1) you can run with this same Dozen for 7 times before you get into serious money and remember this is single dozen is paying 2:1
I have not yet seen a loss with this.......Yet
So far this has been my HG and I have to say I was never using the Marty before because of the table limits.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 13, 11:53 PM 2016
Here's a MM idea I have been playing with that seems to work every time for this betting method.
1.) Wait until the 1 2 3 sequence, or a variant, shows up
2.) Use a straight Marty on only ONE of the Dozens ... I was usually selecting the last dozen to show up in the sequence
Keep betting that same dozen with the Marty progression until you win.
Don't forget the 0/00 IB once your bet gets high enough to warrant it
If the 1st bet is low (say $1) you can run with this same Dozen for 7 times before you get into serious money and remember this is single dozen is paying 2:1
I have not yet seen a loss with this.......Yet
So far this has been my HG and I have to say I was never using the Marty before because of the table limits.
-Celtic
Just to update it appears that the safest dozen to use is the 2nd in the sequence.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 13, 11:53 PM 2016
Here's a MM idea I have been playing with that seems to work every time for this betting method.
1.) Wait until the 1 2 3 sequence, or a variant, shows up
2.) Use a straight Marty on only ONE of the Dozens ... I was usually selecting the last dozen to show up in the sequence
Keep betting that same dozen with the Marty progression until you win.
Don't forget the 0/00 IB once your bet gets high enough to warrant it
If the 1st bet is low (say $1) you can run with this same Dozen for 7 times before you get into serious money and remember this is single dozen is paying 2:1
I have not yet seen a loss with this.......Yet
So far this has been my HG and I have to say I was never using the Marty before because of the table limits.
-Celtic
Example
123 shows
Now bet dozen 2 only until a hit
312 shows
Now bet dozen 1 only until a hit
?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 14, 06:35 AM 2016
Example
123 shows
Now bet dozen 2 only until a hit
312 shows
Now bet dozen 1 only until a hit
?
RG
You got it but ........
after more testing I am not sure which one of the Dozens would be best and I have also made the following mods because of this:
A.) Use a $108 BR
B.) Add $1 IB on each bet of the Euro wheel
C.) Only proceed to the 5th level of the Marty for a maximum possible loss of $36 (includes insurance bets)
With the insurance bets you will get the following profit on each win...... Even, $2, $3, $6, $13 and should the 0 hit your session profit has been met.
A $108 BR will sustain you for up to 3 sessions.
Remember only play to a 20% profit and then get out.
Greed will kill you.
The only thing now is to see if there is a way to calculate which of the 3 Dozens would be best to use as a starting point because if you are putting an IB on each one and the first one hits a lot you will only break even. This is why I changed the selected initial Dozen to the second in the set.
All of my testing, so far, has been done online and only on the Euro wheel.
Good Luck
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 14, 09:07 AM 2016
With the insurance bets you will get the following profit on each win...... Even, $2, $3, $6, $13 and should the 0 hit your session profit has been met.
The only thing now is to see if there is a way to calculate which of the 3 Dozens would be best to use as a starting point because if you are putting an IB on each one and the first one hits a lot you will only break even.
I should have waited until I had my first coffee to post the previous data.
I made a mistake in my initial calculations for the 1st bet.
You will actually gain $1 and not just break even.
Sorry about that.
-Celtic
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 13, 01:25 PM 2016
Even with a .5% HE progression fails in BJ
At least roulette has many variables so you can bet against rarer patterns
8)
I'm not a card person. But the reason I like roulette, and other games like craps, is that
you can bet either side. With BJ it's only one side.
Just like John Patrick , the old pro gambler, advises to stay away from BJ. He recommends playing roulette or craps instead . Nuff said..
Tamino
Thats why i dont listen to the "math cats"
Math says blackjack basic strategy should be better then any other game .5% house edge is the best around
At J.P we call the Mathboyzz.
Lol
At the WoV board, its called a......mathlete.
Ken
I hate that board
Noones friendly
Heading to the casino, have a good day on the boards.
Ken
I work for a living
So im at work
Unfortunately
Life as a a professional gambler is not to be envied. It`s a tough one. I prefer the recreational aspect of the games. A casino trip now and then to a location of my choice.
Enjoy the recreation but gamble like a pro with one foot always pointed towards the door.Jujst give it a thought what that means.
One foot towards the door
When i play that was i leave up
If one is on an air junket different rules are in place when you must leave. The limo to the plane does not wait whether or not you are up or down.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 14, 01:21 PM 2016
I hate that board
Noones friendly
I am.... And BTW, speaking of friendly, it's the 100th page.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 14, 01:38 PM 2016
I work for a living
So im at work
Unfortunately
unfortunately? Surely, you mean fortunately
"I work for a living" is the most sensible thing you said in your 3000 posts.
You wont put in a hard days graft to have the Boss come over and tell you you lost and wont get a dime...will you?
When ND says he prefers the recreational aspect, I fully understand what he means.
Soooo, just so I understand.....there are a couple different versions to this in terms of the BEST way to play. Of those people playing (their way), I assume you all are kicking casino a** with this, correct?
Meaning, "It can't lose"....(in the long run, correct?)
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 14, 08:57 PM 2016
Soooo, just so I understand.....there are a couple different versions to this in terms of the BEST way to play. Of those people playing (their way), I assume you all are kicking casino a** with this, correct?
Meaning, "It can't lose"....(in the long run, correct?)
Ken
How'd 'jew do today Mr J? And what method did you play?
I did decent, played around 5 hours. I played a 2-3 number method (not posted), $100 units, net was $5,280 on the head. Minus $400 tip.
Ken
Sounds like a good method to post for us peasants to read and play
Too many rules, too few numbers, too much discipline, too many questions, a decent size BR (but not necessary), not enough "thank yous", too many lurkers etc etc etc etc etc.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 14, 10:48 PM 2016
I did decent, played around 5 hours. I played a 2-3 number method (not posted), $100 units, net was $5,280 on the head. Minus $400 tip.
Ken
So if I understand, you bet individual numbers. 2-3. For $100 on each. I get that. Not for nothin'
the $5K doesn't look quit so impressive wrapped in that. One win is $3500, so you're up a couple
units.
Decades ago I met online a guy named victor. His method was to wait for 5 1st columb in a row, and
then bet the other two (2 and 3) for $500 each. From there it seemed like watching lady luck and
he'd end up losing $10K or winning 10-15K. Similar thing.. But he claimed to do well. That works
well where you can sit at the end of the table for the columbs.
He said he had a $200K "War chest".
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 14, 11:01 PM 2016
Too many rules, too few numbers, too much discipline, too many questions, a decent size BR (but not necessary), not enough "thank yous", too many lurkers etc etc etc etc etc.
Ken
When you go, does your cleavage attract a lot of attention? Distract the dealer?
The one with the cleavage is his secret weapon standing right next to Mr. J
Ditto for my Beretta as an equalizer.
It`s not what you see but what you think you see.
:twisted:
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 15, 09:55 AM 2016
So if I understand, you bet individual numbers. 2-3. For $100 on each. I get that. Not for nothin'
the $5K doesn't look quit so impressive wrapped in that. One win is $3500, so you're up a couple
units.
Decades ago I met online a guy named victor. His method was to wait for 5 1st columb in a row, and
then bet the other two (2 and 3) for $500 each. From there it seemed like watching lady luck and
he'd end up losing $10K or winning 10-15K. Similar thing.. But he claimed to do well. That works
well where you can sit at the end of the table for the columbs.
He said he had a $200K "War chest".
A) I wouldn't play any method with the word WAIT in it.
B) Yep, almost two units but I get a nice profit with +2 units, thats why the higher bets. Now take another person with $5 units, is +$350 ok? I dont know, maybe. The higher my chip value is, the LESS number of hits I need. (and hence, higher the risk)
I only played this nine times at the casino but at least 200 hours of testing at home. 2/9 were losing days, all playing $100 units and before tipping >>
-500
-7000
+5280
+9600
+6000
+9100
+3600
+5500
+8000
Ken
Ken
I've put 22 days of KTF in Jackpot Joy.
Its not lost yet, but it will.
Like you hundreds of hours testing, but i've posted.
So my ? to you is why have you only played such a good winning idea 9 times, is it possibly that you think the RFH is coming.
Why not post the 2-3 number idea, is it that it will be tested over millions of spins and then told it tanks. Who cares as long as you know its playable thats all that matters
Totally agree testing should be tested how you will play in actual play. Test it for 5hours of actual playtime, not 20 hours, if the RFH is going to get you,it will get you at some point in that 5 hours.
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 15, 12:39 PM 2016
A) I wouldn't play any method with the word WAIT in it.
B) Yep, almost two units but I get a nice profit with +2 units, thats why the higher bets. Now take another person with $5 units, is +$350 ok? I dont know, maybe. The higher my chip value is, the LESS number of hits I need. (and hence, higher the risk)
I only played this nine times at the casino but at least 200 hours of testing at home. 2/9 were losing days, all playing $100 units and before tipping >>
-500
-7000
+5280
+9600
+6000
+9100
+3600
+5500
+8000
Ken
I like the methodology. The kind of thing, as I've suggested before, that you have
your ducks in order, and go in locked and loaded, and implement it.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 15, 01:36 PM 2016
Ken
I've put 22 days of KTF in Jackpot Joy.
Its not lost yet, but it will.
Like you hundreds of hours testing, but i've posted.
So my ? to you is why have you only played such a good winning idea 9 times, is it possibly that you think the RFH is coming.
Why not post the 2-3 number idea, is it that it will be tested over millions of spins and then told it tanks. Who cares as long as you know its playable thats all that matters
Totally agree testing should be tested how you will play in actual play. Test it for 5hours of actual playtime, not 20 hours, if the RFH is going to get you,it will get you at some point in that 5 hours.
Cause he's had enough of 100 page threads and chicken shit arguments instead of thoughtful
discussion. Maybe he'll point us in the right direction with a pm.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 15, 02:28 PM 2016
Cause he's had enough of 100 page threads and chicken shit arguments instead of thoughtful
discussion. Maybe he'll point us in the right direction with a pm.
Gimme a break
If 100 page threads bothered him he wouldnt be a mod. Get real
Its a forum. Deal wit it
"So my ? to you is why have you only played such a good winning idea 9 times" >> Its not 9 times and I stopped. Its 9 times so far. If my Packers win tomorrow, I'm playing again on Sunday. I won't be focused enough to play if they lose, trust me. Christmas party tonight. Not doing the "hint" stuff, might as well ban me. I HATE the hint s**t (that almost rhymed). I have a casino 15 minutes away BUT have been taking the drive......going to other casinos, for a reason.
Ken
Betting 3 numbers s an acquired art. Not every house painter is a Dali or a Picasso.
Actually....most of the time its 2 numbers.
3 numbers is only after a hit. You never take your chip(s) off a winning number for AT LEAST one spin.
My longest time (so far) playing this was 14 hours. I could of quit earlier but with a loss.
Lets move on to a different subject.
Ken
14 hours. How many breaks?
?? NONE ??
Bathroom, thats it. I play to win, the food can wait.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 15, 04:14 PM 2016
Actually....most of the time its 2 numbers.
3 numbers is only after a hit. You never take your chip(s) off a winning number for AT LEAST one spin.
My longest time (so far) playing this was 14 hours. I could of quit earlier but with a loss.
Lets move on to a different subject.
Ken
This was great the other day....I was playing the 1 & 7.
The 7 hits, so now the 1 & 7 (again) and I think the 33. Three in a row, 7, 1, 1.
10K in three spins.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 15, 05:16 PM 2016
Bathroom, thats it.
Ken
I remember watching a tv programme and they were saying that some of the heavy duty slot jockey's don't even go to the bathroom. They wear diapers so they don't have to leave the machine.
Quote from: wiggy on Jan 15, 05:26 PM 2016
I remember watching a tv programme and they were saying that some of the heavy duty slot jockey's don't even go to the bathroom. They wear diapers so they don't have to leave the machine.
Disgusting
Ditto for some Chinese table players . They won`t go to the restroom they are afraid to Pee their luck away. Also heard about craps players doing it right under table .
Awful conditions... Those are stories from US casinos not from Macau. I heard it`s worse there.
Quote from: Tamino on Jan 15, 06:08 PM 2016
Ditto for some Chinese table players . They won`t go to the restroom they are afraid to Pee their luck away. Also heard about craps players doing it right under table .
Awful conditions... Those are stories from US casinos not from Macau. I heard it`s worse there.
Ive never seen anything like this before lol
One day id love to gamble in singapore though. Looks beautiful
Hey guys,
What about bet against the unique will happen in the 3rd dozen? For example,
2-1 bet on 1-2 that 3rd dozen will not happen
Had just testing in airball:
117 spins.
25 betting situations: 19 wins, 6 losses.
Just flat betting.
+ 7 at the end
Example:
2-2 no bet. next dozen is 2nd.
2-1 bet on 1-2. next dozen is 2nd. Win
2-3 bet on 2-3. next dozen is 3rd. Win
etc
Az_max
Someone i know of is playing this exact way and it is very successful with a positive progression
They dont post anymore because of the stupid negativity in the thread. When people disagree with a method they attack it with silly questions so i stopped contributing to it because its easier to just use it to make money then it is to defend it. Seeing posts like yours though means my jobs done. I successfully got the point across of the grassroots idea to those with open minds. Still speak to some players on the side regarding it which is better for me because im not here dealing with crap, instead we are making it better.
Glad you found that tweak. it works well in a 3 wide matrix as oppopsed to rolling
Only way it can lose is if there are many unique patterns like 231. Which wont happen
I've tested it thoroughly and successfully
Triggers:
12 bet 12
13 bet 13
21 bet 21
23 bet 23
31 bet 31
32 bet 32
Ive also tweaked a 3 wide matrix using a similar idea that i have not seen lose yet. Im debating on posting it because sometimes posting an idea here is more trouble then its worth
Welcome to the forum
Thanx RG,
Yeah, Betting on 2 dozen with progressive can kill your BR, cause sometimes shit happens.
During this testing i faced with 4 consecutive losses. 4 uniques in a row. That's why i prefer flat betting. Maybe another one progression will be better, but not Marty.
I also faced with 123123.
Positive prog after a win.
with this you will have win streaks and you wont have to wait for them or very minimal waiting.
Flat bet then on a win (probably first attempt) increase chip size. Within a short amount of time you hit a nice streak with this bet selection and the positive prog will explode the BR
You will have 3 to 10 mini games in a row no uniques frequently. Capitalize on that
Have another live airball test
Betting against 3rd dozen will create a unique.
90 spins, 17 betting situations, 13 wins, 4 losses.
Flat betting ends with +5 units
Test these with the progression non-agressive progression: 1-1,2-2,3-3,4-4
Ends with +8 units
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 16, 08:11 AM 2016
Have another live airball test
Betting against 3rd dozen will create a unique.
90 spins, 17 betting situations, 13 wins, 4 losses.
Flat betting ends with +5 units
Test these with the progression non-agressive progression: 1-1,2-2,3-3,4-4
Ends with +8 units
Nice
:thumbsup:
Hello everyone- Bvnz roulette before 10 minutes, columns formation cab cab cab c. 300 e bye, bye..... I'm going to cry. :sad2:
Ouch. Money management?
Cab happened then you bet against cab?
Quote from: blueman on Jan 16, 10:55 AM 2016
Hello everyone- Bvnz roulette before 10 minutes, columns formation cab cab cab c. 300 e bye, bye..... I'm going to cry. :sad2:
Columns have way more unique repeaters than dozens. Sorry for your loss.
He played the RNG,, what he could expect.
Quote from: ozon on Jan 16, 11:11 AM 2016
He played the RNG,, what he could expect.
I just realized that. Good point
He wasnt playing roulette he was only playing a computer game online
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 16, 11:02 AM 2016
Ouch. Money management?
Cab happened then you bet against cab?
Happened
CAB - start betting and play against . Then roulette throws
(CAB) + CAB CAB C = I m out of money. Of course, I was playing some kind of marti. :o
Quote from: blueman on Jan 16, 11:19 AM 2016
Happened CAB - start betting and play against . Then roulette throws (CAB) + CAB CAB C = I m out of money. Of course, I was playing some kind of marti. :o
AND rng. Stop with both.
Quote from: ozon on Jan 16, 11:11 AM 2016
He played the RNG,, what he could expect.
Hm,hm, - sorry, but there is more -yesterday the BVNZ same
RNG I played a parlay on black and came out in sequence 12 black. Very nice day, too RNG, or computer game. Shit happens :thumbsup:
Quote from: blueman on Jan 16, 11:36 AM 2016
Hm,hm, - sorry, but there is more -yesterday the BVNZ same RNG I played a parlay on black and came out in sequence 12 black. Very nice day, too RNG, or computer game. Shit happens :thumbsup:
I wish u success
Be careful with rng. It isnt a wheel
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 16, 12:02 PM 2016
I wish u success
Be careful with rng. It isnt a wheel
In your post #1270 you showed the attached picture
Being new to roulette my my ? is this RNG
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 16, 12:16 PM 2016
In your post #1270 you showed the attached picture
Being new to roulette my my ? is this RNG
-Celtic
That is airball
airburst shoots the ball around the wheel (real wheel and ball) the machine can determine where the ball falls but when the machine is full it doesn't act strange
The results of the air ball whell match zumma
Only time im skeptical is when the machine is empty
Others have said the same thing
Ive seen big money wins on these things
Perfect if you dont want to deal with a dealer and can write down on a playing card without being questioned
If the table is full the machine will not avoid my $10 chips on the dozens
I've read a couple posts regarding the BRAKE for the wheel.
The wheel has to stop somehow so that everything starts fresh (AFTER the ball is in the pocket), I have no issue with that. Somebody implied the brake went on in order for the ball to land in a certain spot/section, I'm not sure thats accurate. Also, do you notice, the wheel switches direction with every spin, clockwise then counter.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 16, 12:28 PM 2016
I've read a couple posts regarding the BRAKE for the wheel.
The wheel has to stop somehow so that everything starts fresh (AFTER the ball is in the pocket), I have no issue with that. Somebody implied the brake went on in order for the ball to land in a certain spot/section, I'm not sure thats accurate. Also, do you notice, the wheel switches direction with every spin, clockwise then counter.
Ken
Yup
I know of an advantage player
He told me some airball wheels are biased. On some you can see the last 500 spins what numbers hit most
Do this over the course of a few weeks take a picture of that screen once a day
See if a certain sector has more hits
Casino today RG?
Ken
I wish
my friend moved into a new house I've been helping with the flooring and stuff
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 16, 12:19 PM 2016
Only time im skeptical is when the machine is empty
If the table is full the machine will not avoid my $10 chips on the dozens
RG
Thank you.
What do you mean by empty or full machines?
Are you referring to the number of players?
Also what do you mean that the machine will not avoid your $10 chips?
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 16, 12:41 PM 2016
RG
Thank you.
What do you mean by empty or full machines?
Are you referring to the number of players?
Also what do you mean that the machine will not avoid your $10 chips?
-Celtic
I mean number of players. Full table
If the machine is indeed avoiding bets it has a hard time when the machine is full and chips are literally everywhere
Its going to avoid $25 on a number not $10 on a dozen of it does avoid bets
However i did see an asian woman hit $25 on a number 3 times in a row on airball
I asked her strategy. She said "i just know"
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 16, 12:44 PM 2016
I mean number of players. Full table
If the machine is indeed avoiding bets it has a hard time when the machine is full and chips are literally everywhere
Its going to avoid $25 on a number not $10 on a dozen of it does avoid bets
However i did see an asian woman hit $25 on a number 3 times in a row on airball
I asked her strategy. She said "i just know"
RG
Thank you again.
This is just speculation
I do not know exactly how the air ball works
all I know is it acts like a real wheel when its full and it does weird things when you're the only one there
"I asked her strategy. She said "i just know"" >>> I get this a lot OR whats your secret?
STANDARD ANSWER: Just getting lucky I suppose (lol). I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER answer properly.
Ken
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 16, 12:44 PM 2016
I mean number of players. Full table
If the machine is indeed avoiding bets it has a hard time when the machine is full and chips are literally everywhere
Its going to avoid $25 on a number not $10 on a dozen of it does avoid bets
However i did see an asian woman hit $25 on a number 3 times in a row on airball
I asked her strategy. She said "i just know"
Remote Viewing
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 16, 12:56 PM 2016
"I asked her strategy. She said "i just know"" >>> I get this a lot OR whats your secret?
STANDARD ANSWER: Just getting lucky I suppose (lol). I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER answer properly.
Ken
MrJ
I have been on this forum for less than a week now but I have to say there is a lot of negativity here, and a lot of it is coming from you.
I have seen on several occasions where you have been asked for your marvelous 2 number method and you have either ignored the request or tried to change the topic.
I am new to roulette, but not gambling, and after I saw your comment here about 'NEVER ANSWERING PROPERLY' to an individual requesting information on their bet selection method I have to wonder what it is that you could possibly contribute to any thread about roulette that would be worthwile.
In another thread you started earlier today the comments between yourself and another member got quite heated.
I would have sent this post to that thread but the 'Quote' and 'Reply' buttons have been disabled so that further comments could not be made, so, after remembering your comment above I was left with no choice but to post here.
I came to this forum to learn and in less than a week there are a few members that seem to be quite knowledgeable and willing to share their thoughts and ideas but there are also a lot of other members that act just plain rude and ignorant.
Shouldn't you, as a moderator, be doing something about this?
-Celtic
-Mark Twain- 'Sometimes it is best to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt'
Just because they are mods that doesnt mean they should trash ideas like its their way or the highway.
Dont like an idea? Well its not the mods job to be condescending
Im out of here
PM only from now on
Just have another idea. We have 18 dozen format variations (non-zero):
111, 211, 311
112, 212, 312
113, 213, 313
121, 221, 321
122, 222, 322
123, 223, 323
131, 231, 331
132, 232, 332
133, 233, 333
Why not just bet against one of these 18 variation randomly? For example, sit on the table and bet against 332 will happen. And after 3 spins occurs, bet against 221 or 121.
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 17, 12:43 AM 2016
MrJ
I have been on this forum for less than a week now but I have to say there is a lot of negativity here
I came to this forum to learn and in less than a week there are a few members that seem to be quite knowledgeable and willing to share their thoughts and ideas but there are also a lot of other members that act just plain rude and ignorant.
Major issue is that 2 of the main moderators turner and mr j are lately shooting down any method that doesnt align with their way of thinking
Like they are some sort of roulette masters
Its old and im tired of it
We know what and how they think yet they interject into threads to state some negative crap
Thats why i wont be posting my thoughts anymore
The posters with multiple aliases being rude were easy to deal with
But with mods turning into the wizard of vegas forum types its just no fun anymore
No matter what they say this does work hit and run but it isnt 2 numbers so they speak negatively about it
It is what it is
I am now a lurker and private messenger only
Mr J said he received multiple messages about me. So? From who? People not contributing ANYTHING? Most likely
So freakin old at this point.
Another example was i posted about scratchoffs in 'off topic' inquiring about odds of different games and how they are different at the same price points and turner had a wise a*s remark. For what?
The moderators here do a lot of talking and not what they should be doing. Oh well. Until guys like falkor are deleted, as far as im concerned you are a bad moderator for not deleting a scammer who tried to suck a lot of money from people in the past.
Hey mr j and turner might as well delete the notepad sub section since any idea sharing you guys will blast anyway
P.S. In the first post of Mr Js 4 number method he said he was hesitant to post it because of naysayers. How does it feel to be on the other side of the fence cause thats him now. Funny how that works.
This was a good thread and going in the right direction until the idiocy came.
Im not alone. Trust me.
Rich
Nice job you did on me there Rick
I thought Ive been very helpfull on PM with you. You've asked me a lot of questions and Ive taken a lot of time to reply politely.
Sorry I dont like newbie naive ideas that Ive seen a million times
Are you going to do the old "I'm leaving" then keep coming back in routine.
Thats a classic . :thumbsup:
I think you are good guys
My post is strictly business
Fair enough
You obviously know best
No
YOU obviously know best
Thats the thinking hurting the forum and preventing people from positng ideas which ill never do again
Quote from: Turner on Jan 17, 08:00 PM 2016
Sorry I dont like newbie naive ideas that Ive seen a million times
Turner
As a newbie to roulette I am insulted and resent your statement and I am suprised to see a mod with that attitude.
New blood usually adds new thoughts, ideas and vitality to any entity, including forums.
-Celtic
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 17, 09:21 PM 2016
Turner
As a newbie to roulette I am insulted and resent your statement and I am suprised to see a mod with that attitude.
New blood usually adds new thoughts, ideas and vitality to any entity, including forums.
-Celtic
Not allowed here anymore apparently
The demise of the forum
Seems this is a common theme here for years. Some stay and some open up their own forums, many just fade away or stop posting. It's unfortunate that such immaturity prevails. Debates are healthy. Making personal comments or thwarting someone's initiative is inappropriate and unprofessional.
Guys, let's debate concerning the topic and ideas.
Gonna play today for real money
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 17, 09:21 PM 2016
Turner
As a newbie to roulette I am insulted and resent your statement and I am suprised to see a mod with that attitude.
New blood usually adds new thoughts, ideas and vitality to any entity, including forums.
-Celtic
Bit dramatic.... but mabe I dont like what the new editor has done with one of my favotite newspapers
Times change
All music sounds the same to me nowerdays but the kids are loving it...just my age I guess.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 18, 01:44 AM 2016
Gonna play today for real money
Good luck - I'd be very interested in your real money results - I do most of my testing with a small starting bank of £20 and 10p bets, if a system works then the bets increase inline with the bank - you can run millions of past or simulated spins to get an initial idea about a new system, however nothing replaces playing with your own hard earned cash!
Nick
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jan 17, 11:00 PM 2016
Seems this is a common theme here for years. Some stay and some open up their own forums, many just fade away or stop posting. It's unfortunate that such immaturity prevails. Debates are healthy. Making personal comments or thwarting someone's initiative is inappropriate and unprofessional.
100% agree - best move is to ignore the 'energy stealers', they are everywhere and not just on this forum.
What they hate most is when the people they are trying to include in their negativity don't respond to their comments.
PM's have their place but we don't want this form going' underground' so please keep posting and just ignore the comments that you feel are trying to drag us down - they will soon get the message and move on.
Nick
Just finish online playing, here is results:
51 spins, betting against D3 will create a unique with non-agressive parlay progression:
10 betting situations, 6 wins, 4 losses. Total + 2 units
The same game, 51 spins, bet against randomly chosen unique pattern (I chose 1-3-2), parlay prog :
17 betting situations, 13 wins at the first bet, 3 wins at second bet, 1 lose (0-1-1, lose on zero) Total + 11
Quote from: Celticknits on Jan 17, 12:43 AM 2016
I came to this forum to learn and in less than a week there are a few members that seem to be quite knowledgeable and willing to share their thoughts and ideas but there are also a lot of other members that act just plain rude and ignorant.
Shouldn't you, as a moderator, be doing something about this?
Try reading through this thread from the beginning and you'll see who's been rude and ignorant. The mods have extremely patient imo, and allowed it to continue for too long, and now you're seeing the results. Someone is unable to handle constructive criticism and takes it as a personal attack. This will continue until this thread is closed.
Quote from: Tacwell on Jan 18, 06:05 AM 2016
Try reading through this thread from the beginning and you'll see who's been rude and ignorant. The mods have extremely patient imo, and allowed it to continue for too long, and now you're seeing the results. Someone is unable to handle constructive criticism and takes it as a personal attack. This will continue until this thread is closed.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 17, 03:39 PM 2016
Just have another idea. We have 18 dozen format variations (non-zero):
111, 211, 311
112, 212, 312
113, 213, 313
121, 221, 321
122, 222, 322
123, 223, 323
131, 231, 331
132, 232, 332
133, 233, 333
Why not just bet against one of these 18 variation randomly? For example, sit on the table and bet against 332 will happen. And after 3 spins occurs, bet against 221 or 121.
Choosing one of the 27 variations to bet against after every mini spin does give you a time advantage as you are not such a 'static target' as betting against 1 2 3 all the time, however the run from hell will turn up eventually so the key to winning with this system is money management and there are suggestions on this thread how to build up your bank to deal with this hit when it occurs.
You can also cut the variations down to 6 'unique' sequences which also works well:
123
231
312
132
321
213
100+ page thread it a lot to read through, however you will find all these ideas and comments already posted.
Nick
Yes, thank you Nick-the-Greek.
What if, we chose randomly from that 6 unique for which one of them to bet for the next 3 spins. And then again chose another one for next 3 spins. And again etc.
The 'moving target' idea does work, however it is still down to 'luck' that you join the table at the right time and build up enough in the bank to ride the RFH when it hits.
Out of interest where are you playing and single or double zero wheels?
I've just started playing/testing at CelticCasino.com on their double zero wheel as the 1 2 3 sequence does not hit as many times as a euro wheel - must be the wheel layout!
Nick
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Jan 18, 07:33 AM 2016
The 'moving target' idea does work, however it is still down to 'luck' that you join the table at the right time and build up enough in the bank to ride the RFH when it hits.
Out of interest where are you playing and single or double zero wheels?
I've just started playing/testing at CelticCasino.com on their double zero wheel as the 1 2 3 sequence does not hit as many times as a euro wheel - must be the wheel layout!
Nick
I'am playing single zero wheel.
Just played auto-wheel(airball) with real money and have those results:
2-1-3
3-2-1
2-3-3
3-1-2
3-1-2
3-1-1
2-1-3
2-3-3
1-1-3
5 uniques ! I played against 1-3-2 unique all time with parlay progression + 9 units.
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Jan 18, 05:14 AM 2016
100% agree - best move is to ignore the 'energy stealers', they are everywhere and not just on this forum.
What they hate most is when the people they are trying to include in their negativity don't respond to their comments.
PM's have their place but we don't want this form going' underground' so please keep posting and just ignore the comments that you feel are trying to drag us down - they will soon get the message and move on.
Nick
Well said.
-Celtic
RG, we talked about Falkor. So far he is not trying to sell so we are not in rush. You see there is no rule like ban anyone who had bad behaviour before. Matters what he is doing now. So basically everyone here knows what he can be up to. He publishes something so what. As long as we can't see visible attempts to scam. As it happened a year ago. When he does he'll be kicked out of here. And he knows it too.
RG, it's nothing easier than judging mods who you don't like. And it's up to you what you wanna do. As I am concerned I have never tried to shut your ideas and your freedom of speech right.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 15, 05:31 PM 2016
Disgusting
Not into slots. Never was. They're like lottery tickets. Income tax on people who are bad
at math.
But I do know, they can be prime real estate, once you get one.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 16, 03:40 AM 2016
Had just testing in airball:
117 spins.
25 betting situations: 19 wins, 6 losses.
Just flat betting.
+ 7 at the end
Example:
2-2 no bet. next dozen is 2nd.
2-1 bet on 1-2. next dozen is 2nd. Win
2-3 bet on 2-3. next dozen is 3rd. Win
etc
We forget (as people who initially advertised it and left. Probably cleaning up)
about the flat bet. Seems to make the most sense.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 16, 05:46 AM 2016
Positive prog after a win.
with this you will have win streaks and you wont have to wait for them or very minimal waiting.
Flat bet then on a win (probably first attempt) increase chip size. Within a short amount of time you hit a nice streak with this bet selection and the positive prog will explode the BR
You will have 3 to 10 mini games in a row no uniques frequently. Capitalize on that
A little off topic, but this was the direction I had been heading with craps. Just
parlay wins. It's exciting. And it puts you on the winning side of what would
be that "catastrophe", that is supposedly elusive, but ends up happening easier
that you think.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 16, 08:11 AM 2016
Have another live airball test
Betting against 3rd dozen will create a unique.
90 spins, 17 betting situations, 13 wins, 4 losses.
Flat betting ends with +5 units
Test these with the progression non-agressive progression: 1-1,2-2,3-3,4-4
Ends with +8 units
Thanks Az max. I love your (or anyones) trip reports. I am in a cast now and someday
won't be.. As I watch and study all this, maybe I'm dodging a bullet and will end up at
a place of comfort in a betting strategy.
Quote from: blueman on Jan 16, 10:55 AM 2016
Hello everyone- Bvnz roulette before 10 minutes, columns formation cab cab cab c. 300 e bye, bye..... I'm going to cry. :sad2:
When my father in law was alive and I'd go to twin rivers with him on a Friday, I never really bet.
But one day he just handed me $40. I figured, what the heck. I'll do a 3 step neg prog and see
how it goes. $5 $10 $20. = $35. Lost first try.
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 16, 12:28 PM 2016
I've read a couple posts regarding the BRAKE for the wheel.
The wheel has to stop somehow so that everything starts fresh (AFTER the ball is in the pocket), I have no issue with that. Somebody implied the brake went on in order for the ball to land in a certain spot/section, I'm not sure thats accurate. Also, do you notice, the wheel switches direction with every spin, clockwise then counter.
Ken
Real dealers change the wheel direction too.
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 16, 12:38 PM 2016
Casino today RG?
Ken
You didn't go? Packers lost?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 16, 12:39 PM 2016
I wish
my friend moved into a new house I've been helping with the flooring and stuff
Is that you or your friend?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 16, 12:53 PM 2016
This is just speculation
I do not know exactly how the air ball works
all I know is it acts like a real wheel when its full and it does weird things when you're the only one there
That is a good reason to avoid methods that walk a thin line with a short progression to disaster.
It only has to THINK about avoiding you. And you're done.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 18, 01:44 AM 2016
Gonna play today for real money
I'll be anxiously waiting the report.
First of all i choose to play auto-wheel (airball). Took 421 spins from this automated wheel(i collected them in excel file). Then calculated how much uniques dozen are coming and which ones. Then i choose 2 of them which are less likely to be drop according to the calculations. 132 and 321.
Decided to bet against them but randomly. For example, bet against 321 and if 321 happens bet against 132. And bet against 3rd dozen will create an unique. I used parlay progression. Played 135 spins, + 41 units. Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 18, 03:22 PM 2016
First of all i choose to play auto-wheel (airball). Took 421 spins from this automated wheel(i collected them in excel file). Then calculated how much uniques dozen are coming and which ones. Then i choose 2 of them which are less likely to be drop according to the calculations. 132 and 321.
Decided to bet against them but randomly. For example, bet against 321 and if 321 happens bet against 132. And bet against 3rd dozen will create an unique. I used parlay progression. Played 135 spins, + 41 units. Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
Could you post those spins, i'd like to check against Jackpot Joy airball. If you look in Jackpot joy you'll see at 40th spin its close to 15 non hit,hit in spins 11-40
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 18, 04:23 PM 2016
Could you post those spins, i'd like to check against Jackpot Joy airball. If you look in Jackpot joy you'll see at 40th spin its close to 15 non hit,hit in spins 11-40
Yeah sure, i can post these 421 spins here. Do you have any forum tags to post spins properly?
could you post the excel file, as for tags no idea
Quote from: Turner on Jan 18, 06:08 AM 2016
:thumbsup:
I want the thread to set some kind of record.
I'm still talking about the method.
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Jan 18, 06:43 AM 2016
Choosing one of the 27 variations to bet against after every mini spin does give you a time advantage as you are not such a 'static target' as betting against 1 2 3 all the time, however the run from hell will turn up eventually so the key to winning with this system is money management and there are suggestions on this thread how to build up your bank to deal with this hit when it occurs.
You can also cut the variations down to 6 'unique' sequences which also works well:
123
231
312
132
321
213
100+ page thread it a lot to read through, however you will find all these ideas and comments already posted.
Nick
So call me a "koolaid drinker", but there's something that I like about the rotating pattern.
Maybe I believe that it's harder to hit.
But my thinking has been drawn back against the idea of playing a 1,3,9 progression. Too risky.
The flat betting seems more workable.
How does that fit in with this idea? Or does it? When you bounce back and forth between
betting schemes the money part also needs to be discussed.
Ok, Please find attached excel
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 18, 09:10 AM 2016
I'am playing single zero wheel.
Just played auto-wheel(airball) with real money and have those results:
2-1-3
3-2-1
2-3-3
3-1-2
3-1-2
3-1-1
2-1-3
2-3-3
1-1-3
5 uniques ! I played against 1-3-2 unique all time with parlay progression + 9 units.
With what selection? There are a lot of uniques in there. Are you only betting the 3rd spin?
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 18, 04:53 PM 2016
So call me a "koolaid drinker", but there's something that I like about the rotating pattern.
Maybe I believe that it's harder to hit.
But my thinking has been drawn back against the idea of playing a 1,3,9 progression. Too risky.
The flat betting seems more workable.
How does that fit in with this idea? Or does it? When you bounce back and forth between
betting schemes the money part also needs to be discussed.
Yes 139 progression is too risky to play. Only flat betting or parlay, and they works good if you have patience and strong discipline.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 18, 04:55 PM 2016
With what selection? There are a lot of uniques in there. Are you only betting the 3rd spin?
I just selected 132 and 321 and bet against them. And also bet against 3rd spin create unique.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 18, 05:00 PM 2016
I just selected 132 and 321 and bet against them. And also bet against 3rd spin create unique.
What I notice is that, to make any gain, you have to win all 3 flat bets in a series of 3
if you win 2, you break even, and 1, you lose 3, etc. It's not a rosy picture, unless I misunderstand.
In testing I almost am persuaded to bet the other odd dozen. 2-1.
Just wait for another 3 dozens . To be in plus you just need a winning series which is often happens.
Just played again airball 27 spins +19.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 19, 04:53 AM 2016
Just played again airball 27 spins +19.
Is this right? Pg 147 zumma. Betting against 132 Flat betting.
133 L L W
221 W W W
332 WLL
111 LWW
131 LLW
221 WWW
333 WLW
321 WWW
133 LLW
211 WWW
20 W 8 L +4 units. :ooh: :ooh: :ooh:
aren't you betting 2*3=6*10=60
20w*3=60
133 L L W
221 W W W
332 WLL
111 LWW
131 LLW
221 WWW
333 WLW
321 WWW
133 LLW
211 WWW
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 19, 06:53 AM 2016
Is this right? Pg 147 zumma. Betting against 132 Flat betting.
133 L L W
221 W W W
332 WLL
111 LWW
131 LLW
221 WWW
333 WLW
321 WWW
133 LLW
211 WWW
20 W 8 L +4 units. :ooh: :ooh: :ooh:
Flat betting against the sequence 132 would give you 20 wins and 10 loses so +10 units.
To keep sane and to slow the advance of grey hairs and wrinkles I prefer flat betting which can be a grind and it does show some sessions at a loss but my bank is up overall.
It is still all about the 'luck' of hitting the table at the right time to build up the bank before the RFH - IMHO.
Nick
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 19, 06:53 AM 2016
Is this right? Pg 147 zumma. Betting against 132 Flat betting.
133 L L W
221 W W W
332 WLL
111 LWW
131 LLW
221 WWW
333 WLW
321 WWW
133 LLW
211 WWW
20 W 8 L +4 units. :ooh: :ooh: :ooh:
I bet only D1 and D2 against 132/321. And D3 against unique. Using parlay progression.
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Jan 19, 09:08 AM 2016
It is still all about the 'luck' of hitting the table at the right time to build up the bank before the RFH - IMHO.
Nick
So true.
Greed or chasing losses is also a good BR killer.
If you have a method that works for you stick to it and do not deviate and remember there will be a loss at some point.
I only expect a maximum of 20% BR profit per session and so far so good but sometimes when I seem to be on a roll it is so hard to follow the plan.
I cannot remember the last time I saw any MM system for roulette that expected a higher BR profit margin.
-Celtic
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 19, 07:59 AM 2016
aren't you betting 2*3=6*10=60
20w*3=60
133 L L W
221 W W W
332 WLL
111 LWW
131 LLW
221 WWW
333 WLW
321 WWW
133 LLW
211 WWW
1st line 1,3,3 using 1,3,2 yes L,L,W stakes 2+2+2=6
so 10 lines =60
20W = 20*3=60 +0
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Jan 19, 09:08 AM 2016
Flat betting against the sequence 132 would give you 20 wins and 10 loses so +10 units.
To keep sane and to slow the advance of grey hairs and wrinkles I prefer flat betting which can be a grind and it does show some sessions at a loss but my bank is up overall.
It is still all about the 'luck' of hitting the table at the right time to build up the bank before the RFH - IMHO.
Nick
A loss is 2 units. So 10 losses (x 2) - 20 units won. Break even.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 19, 11:41 AM 2016
1st line 1,3,3 using 1,3,2 yes L,L,W stakes 2+2+2=6
so 10 lines =60
20W = 20*3=60 +0
I don't understand what math you're using. 2L (-2), 2L (-4), 2W (Win 1 unit) -3.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 19, 09:15 AM 2016
I bet only D1 and D2 against 132/321. And D3 against unique. Using parlay progression.
Is the parlay progression, 1 (win 1u), 1 (win 1u 2 total), 2 (win 2 total), 3 (win 3 total),
4 (Win 4 total)?
So 1,1,2,3,4? And when do you stop?
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 19, 02:45 PM 2016
Is the parlay progression, 1 (win 1u), 1 (win 1u 2 total), 2 (win 2 total), 3 (win 3 total),
4 (Win 4 total)?
So 1,1,2,3,4? And when do you stop?
Dont increase when win.
1-1 and if win continue bet 1-1 until loss happens. Then bet 2-2 , if win return to 1-1 if lose go to 3-3. and etc
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 19, 05:28 PM 2016
Dont increase when win.
1-1 and if win continue bet 1-1 until loss happens. Then bet 2-2 , if win return to 1-1 if lose go to 3-3. and etc
That's dangerous
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 19, 08:46 PM 2016
That's dangerous
Here's an idea that popped into my head. Not sure it's better, or if you need
another idea.
Just play against one dozen. Like against 3. It's easier to wrap your brain around.
I have a weird question. How many "global moderators" are there in this
forum. Every so often I look at the profile on the left, and seems like
every time I do, it's a global moderator.
Seems strange.
Mogul,
That`s why everyone behaves. The forum of Law and order. Hehehe.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 20, 01:13 PM 2016
I have a weird question. How many "global moderators" are there in this
forum. Every so often I look at the profile on the left, and seems like
every time I do, it's a global moderator.
Seems strange.
4 Mods
Myself, Iggiv, Mr J and Colbster.
Steve is the Admin and owns the forum
Tonight I played in BVNZ against the first of the three numbers. Light martingale. And behold as roulette threw ?!
ex.- 233 next i play against 2 (1-3)
233
231
231
213
211
312
223
232
223
212
223
goodbye my money :sad2:
Quote from: Turner on Jan 20, 02:46 PM 2016
4 Mods
Myself, Iggiv, Mr J and Colbster.
Steve is the Admin and owns the forum
Not for nothin', I had noticed the karma ratings a while ago. Mine was
about even at zero. Since then I've gone to light speed and am +6/-1.
Almost as popular as you!!!!
(Not sure which one Steve is)
Quote from: blueman on Jan 20, 05:58 PM 2016
Tonight I played in BVNZ against the first of the three numbers. Light martingale. And behold as roulette threw ?!
ex.- 233 next i play against 2 (1-3)
233
231
231
213
211
312
223
232
223
212
223
goodbye my money :sad2:
May I join your group? (Blueman group?) There's only one of you here, and
you need 3.
Anyway, are you saying that those are your actual results and you bet against
the first one each time?
Last night was the "water in the ears", so only now I see - the real results even worse. Here is exactly like it was. I bet after two of the same starting number.
122
123
123
111
131
Here are but lightly roasted later I was burned! :lol:
233
231
231
213
211
312
223
232
223
212
223
I love that game! :love:
P.S. I'm sorry for my English- google
blueman, i don't fully understand how did you bet, but using Martingale will kill your BR.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 20, 07:57 PM 2016
Not for nothin', I had noticed the karma ratings a while ago. Mine was
about even at zero. Since then I've gone to light speed and am +6/-1.
Almost as popular as you!!!!
(Not sure which one Steve is)
lol....I dont feel very popular at the moment...
Steve is quite easy to spot. His name on the forum is "Steve" :thumbsup:
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 21, 01:30 AM 2016
blueman, i don't fully understand how did you bet, but using Martingale will kill your BR.
I'm waiting to get two of the same number of vertical front of the line (always the first number of the 3 in a row). When i have two of the same bet in the third row i bet against a range.
233
231
Now I play against 2 (play 1-3 dozen)
Ok?
Fu.king martingale, I know. I have to be disciplined and control greed. :embarrassed:
Aha, I was looking horizontaly and it didn't seem tragic...
Sorry for losing (welcome to club :))!
Quote from: blueman on Jan 21, 05:17 AM 2016
Fu.king martingale, I know. I have to be disciplined and control greed. :embarrassed:
Try to use my way on betting against unique.
Thanks guys :thumbsup:
Internet. RNG. You will lose and continue to lose. Play actual roulette. Not a computer game. For christs sake.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 06:33 AM 2016
Internet. RNG. You will lose and continue to lose. Play actual roulette. Not a computer game. For christs sake.
I dont agree £41.40 yesterday on rng.
Today airball Jackpot joy, is that really live, ball being blown, air possibly blown against ball to slow it down, Ausguy posts about cammegh cheating wheel.
As Lucylou asked is it paranoia that the casino cheats you,do they really need to cheat.
Look at JJ today some of them repeats, you say to your self no way, but then you find a snap shot of a marquee in a B+M showing the same. A member said they end up the same in the long run, its the speed you can play rng at that could be why you think they cheated you, you've lost your B/R in no time.
The one thing playing RNG is not to be there to long, me no more than 60 spins, if i go over that, it then seems to go south and its hard to stay in plus, wow am i getting paranoid.
Im talking about internet rng. Not your b and m
when i'm on the old RNG i'm watching KTF, 12 unique and grass roots, if i remember and see a column hit twice in one of the 18's, then i'll play the opposite 18 on EC after a few spins if the 18 has not hit. Wow if i was female i could do more,LOL.
Anyway the grass bit, i'll look and see what its at,see if a dozen has hit for say 3 spins,quick look along the marquee showing last 11 spins,look at the mat on my record sheet try to see if a particular doz is sleeping, have another spin,if the same dozen hits then start 1-1,if it lost up 2-2,lost up 3-3, if win,i'd now rebet the 3-3,if that wins look at the B/R on the screen,if still in profit,look at the other bets,maybe go back to 1-1 on grass.
Do any of you use multi methods or do you stick to the one method
I only play online one system at a time - never been to B+M!
If you are looking for triggers then playing more than one system makes sense giving you more opportunities to bet - although I still can't fully get my head around past spins influencing future results apart from general probability rules.
Nick
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 21, 08:02 AM 2016
... i'll play the opposite 18 on EC after a few spins if the 18 has not hit. Wow if i was female i could do more, LOL.
Sorry, don't get a joke....
They are better at multitasking
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 06:33 AM 2016
Internet. RNG. You will lose and continue to lose. Play actual roulette. Not a computer game. For christs sake.
RG,
Let them play RNG if they want to play rng!
Simon.
Quote from: Nick-the-Greek on Jan 21, 08:19 AM 2016
I only play online one system at a time - never been to B+M!
If you are looking for triggers then playing more than one system makes sense giving you more opportunities to bet - although I still can't fully get my head around past spins influencing future results apart from general probability rules.
Nick
Yes try to look for triggers,as you say more chances to bet and some will say lose.
Past spins
When you started today was anything due, yes, 37 numbers due. Gut you'd be tracking the cycle, unlike the great Winkel,who waits for the crossing, i use the trot to bet, whether on 0x'1x or >1x, so past spins are used
Haven't followed this topic properly since page 70/71.
If you have your 3 spins lets say 11,09,34 so doz 1,1,3. Has betting what the 1st spin and 3rd spin are for the next 3 spins so you'd be betting doz 1 and 3.
Has it been looked at
Todays Jackpot joy's 60 spins every group of 3 spins wins,betting 1st and 3rd spin of min group of 3. Was today just 1st look luck
The system I'm currently using is flat betting against the unique combination 123 on a rolling basis - so you bet on every spin. I've tried 1 3 9 progression which does have a great success rate but it is not how I want to play - I'd rather risk less and take more time to build up the bank - although it can be a grind.
It's been working well for me on live online 0/00 wheels, however there is always an element of luck as to when you join the table - the run from hell is out there, it is all about not being at the table when it hits.
The other option I'm thinking of trying is changing the unique combination to bet against after every 3 spins - this makes us a sort of moving target.
Insurance on the zero's is very important and in fact I recently won more on the zero's hitting that the dozens - they were hitting every 10 - 12 spins!
Nick
A few years ago on RNG i had 8 zeros in 80 spins and didn't win on all of them,then again a number of years back again on RNG 189 spins no zero, now days its 60spins or less, move on
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 21, 06:54 AM 2016
I dont agree £41.40 yesterday on rng.
Today airball Jackpot joy, is that really live, ball being blown, air possibly blown against ball to slow it down, Ausguy posts about cammegh cheating wheel.
As Lucylou asked is it paranoia that the casino cheats you,do they really need to cheat.
Look at JJ today some of them repeats, you say to your self no way, but then you find a snap shot of a marquee in a B+M showing the same. A member said they end up the same in the long run, its the speed you can play rng at that could be why you think they cheated you, you've lost your B/R in no time.
The one thing playing RNG is not to be there to long, me no more than 60 spins, if i go over that, it then seems to go south and its hard to stay in plus, wow am i getting paranoid.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 06:33 AM 2016
Internet. RNG. You will lose and continue to lose. Play actual roulette. Not a computer game. For christs sake.
Just because they are mods that doesnt mean they should trash ideas like its their way or the highway.
Dont like an idea? Well its not the mods job to be condescendingWhats the difference with what you just said?
Im out of here
PM only from now onDoesnt look like it
Quote from: Turner on Jan 21, 10:27 AM 2016
Just because they are mods that doesnt mean they should trash ideas like its their way or the highway.
Dont like an idea? Well its not the mods job to be condescending
Whats the difference with what you just said?
Im out of here
PM only from now on
Doesnt look like it
Whats the difference? What i said was factual
Online rng is a scam. I can tell you that by seeing bluemans actual "spins"
Dont you have someone else to "moderate"
Fu*k the pissing match
Delete my account
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 10:50 AM 2016
Fu*k the pissing match
Delete my account
Calm down for Petes sake
You dont want your account deleted, you like posting here. You have just gone a bit wobbly recently.
We all do it.
Just stop "avin a go" and accept some wont like what you post. Many do like it.
Think about it....you are welcome here. :thumbsup:
and yes, saying you were leaving and havnt done was sarcastic...sorry
Quote from: blueman on Jan 21, 05:10 AM 2016
I'm waiting to get two of the same number of vertical front of the line (always the first number of the 3 in a row). When i have two of the same bet in the third row i bet against a range.
233
231
Now I play against 2 (play 1-3 dozen)
Ok?
That list of first result almost seems impossible.
Quote from: Turner on Jan 21, 10:27 AM 2016
Just because they are mods that doesnt mean they should trash ideas like its their way or the highway.
Dont like an idea? Well its not the mods job to be condescending
Whats the difference with what you just said?
Im out of here
PM only from now on
HA!!!!!! :wink: :sad2: :yawn:
Doesnt look like it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 10:49 AM 2016
Whats the difference? What i said was factual
Online rng is a scam. I can tell you that by seeing bluemans actual "spins"
Dont you have someone else to "moderate"
The point was that you said you weren't coming back.
And you did. (come back)
Great to have you hear anyway.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 21, 12:25 PM 2016
That list of first result almost seems impossible.
I know my friend, I know. That's why I played martingale and finished in shock. :o
Quote from: blueman on Jan 21, 01:21 AM 2016
Last night was the "water in the ears", so only now I see - the real results even worse. Here is exactly like it was. I bet after two of the same starting number.
122
123
123
111
131
Here are but lightly roasted later I was burned! :lol:
233
231
231
213
211
312
223
232
223
212
223
I love that game! :love:
P.S. I'm sorry for my English- google
I had a similar game playing RNG. dozen 2 repeated in row 1 about 7 times
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jan 21, 01:15 PM 2016
I had a similar game playing RNG. dozen 2 repeated in row 1 about 7 times
On 2 separate occasions very very close together blueman has shown RNG sesions with extreme 1st column repeats
Writing the dozens left to right in threes means this : every 3 Spins dozen 2 will show
Can it happen? Sure. Does it? No
I can show you dozens of charts, i havent seen it on real wheel
It is a RNG thing. Im telling you right now rng can be true fair rng BUT will not act like a real wheel
Do not play on Bet voyager and expect real wheel results
MoneyT has seen it as well as you see above my post
I can see it happening on real wheel but not like this so quickly and then AGAIN
RG
Do you play real wheel or airball
You guys want to know whats even more suspicious with my rng play.
The same dozens hit in the first column back to back about 7+ times...what made it weird was that each and every time it was the same line(numbers 13-18)
I was to busy playing against the pattern 123 so i was happy i was winning, but i wish i had caught on to that pattern early on :twisted:
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jan 21, 04:31 PM 2016
You guys want to know whats even more suspicious with my rng play.
The same dozens hit in the first column back to back about 7+ times...what made it weird was that each and every time it was the same line(numbers 13-18)
I was to busy playing against the pattern 123 so i was happy i was winning, but i wish i had caught on to that pattern early on :twisted:
I only see these types on RNG
Quote from: Turner on Jan 21, 01:50 PM 2016
RG
Do you play real wheel or airball
i play airball and real wheel
all testing done on real wheel and zumma
what bothers me about rng is this:
if i write dozens left to right as they show in rows of 3 i never get
213
222
231
221
231
when i say i never get that i mean a whole column of straight 2s. thats an rng thing
for the same dozen to hit every 3 spins ONCE, ok i get it, coincidence. twice....hmmmm...three times! must be the rng
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jan 21, 04:31 PM 2016
You guys want to know whats even more suspicious with my rng play.
The same dozens hit in the first column back to back about 7+ times...what made it weird was that each and every time it was the same line(numbers 13-18)
I was to busy playing against the pattern 123 so i was happy i was winning, but i wish i had caught on to that pattern early on :twisted:
That reminds me -a month ago, BVNZ, 3 dozen out 9 times in a row and all 9 red. I've played in red. :thumbsup:
Quote from: blueman on Jan 22, 01:29 AM 2016
That reminds me -a month ago, BVNZ, 3 dozen out 9 times in a row and all 9 red. I've played in red. :thumbsup:
I'm getting tired of hearing about the whole RNG thing. You know, if you
think it's fixed (and giving repeats) then play for repeats. Probably should
have a system looking for that anyway.
I always thought it was funny when people talk about playing a martingale
on red/black and losing. I watched a wheel marquis once a very long time ago.
Two younger girls were doing it. Chased the "opposite" (red or black).
And I got to watch FREE!!!!!!!!! All the while hoping against hope for them.
Never did it, but one time or another saw it.
But the argument never changes that, maybe mid stream in the martingale
you can switch betting, and fool it.
Results are results.
i said i was leaving out of frustration
i found a lot of what happened was ME. arguing pointlessly.
i have come to terms with on the internet people will disagree. people will attack. people will pretend to be different posters under different aliases due to being psychos.
i wont leave, i will just post less. and if someone disagrees? oh well who cares. i wont feed into it anymore. its pointless. ill say what i need to say and move on. dont like my test or strategy? i will say COOL
grassroots is being played successfully and its spawns. people dont like grassroots or disagree with it, well thats fine, they play their own methods.
i had a falling out with Mr. J which was NOT all me. i asked about another board so i can read, and his response was "why you have a HG"....that wasnt called for and it was an annoying comment. he only believes in 2 to 4 number methods so he chimes in here (without reading it) to say it wont work, or why should it work. i responded. it was pointless for me to respond because thats what we call a LOSE LOSE situation. anything that isnt 4 numbers or less is a lose lose iwth him. i should have known better. turner and Mr j will never buy into a method like this, so instead of engage i should have ignored and just went on my merry way.
i think those 2 are good guys. ive spoken to them privately. no problem there. but professional moderator wise, they can do a better job, and i stand by that
RG, how are things with snow?
Quote from: nextyear on Jan 23, 11:50 AM 2016
RG, how are things with snow?
getting hammered. forecasted to get over 2 feet. 40 miles per hour wind. and coastal flooding.
you are in europe so: 61 centimeters of snow, 64 kph wind, and 121 centimeters above normal seas
KTF!
And try to have fun (but carefully)...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 23, 11:47 AM 2016
.........................
i wont leave, i will just post less. and if someone disagrees? oh well who cares. i wont feed into it anymore. its pointless. ill say what i need to say and move on. dont like my test or strategy? i will say COOL
.........................
RG
Glad to hear this news.
-Celtic
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 23, 11:55 AM 2016
getting hammered. forecasted to get over 2 feet. 40 miles per hour wind. and coastal flooding.
you are in europe so: 61 centimeters of snow, 64 kph wind, and 121 centimeters above normal seas
Rg
Had to laugh.
I live in rural Canada and we do get occasions where we will have 1 meter snowfalls basically overnight.
30cm (1foot) snowfalls are common here.
That is why I have a 12HP snowblower.
The attached picture shows the first snowfall of the year for me on my sheltered sundeck.
-Celtic
awesome! i happen to like the snow
i wont move south.
its funny it has been warm here all winter. no all of a sudden a 3 foot blizzard? crazy.....id rather 6 inches per week then 3 feet at once
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 23, 02:32 PM 2016
...id rather 6 inches per week then 3 feet at once
Thats what she said last night
Quote from: Turner on Jan 23, 03:50 PM 2016
Thats what she said last night
I'm sorry for that.
Greeting Grassroots fans , today BVNZ on dozens - 312 312 312 32!? I have not played Martingale ( Thanks Tamino)! :thumbsup:
If you want to play this I would suggest playing it on roulette itself.
I'm sorry but I do not understand what you mean?
well BVNZ is RNG right?
I am not saying it is rigged....it is probably fair (i hope)
what I am saying is it wont behave like a real wheel because it is software
so you may see
321
321
321
321
321
321
and that wouldnt surprise me
Thanks RG! :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 06, 11:02 AM 2016
well BVNZ is RNG right?
I am not saying it is rigged....it is probably fair (i hope)
what I am saying is it wont behave like a real wheel because it is software
Well you cant have it both ways.
just went through 1,000 spins like the nutjob i am
here is what I found
dozen sequence 123 followed a 1 only 2 times in that 1,000 spin sample
example
1
1
2
3
happened twice
trigger is dozen 1, when dozen 1 shows, then bet against 123
happening twice in 1,000 spins is MUCH better then 123 happening by itself 10-20 times in the same sample
yeehaw
Rofl
hey what can i say
i thought about it on car ride home so i checked
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 01, 06:26 PM 2016
just went through 1,000 spins like the nutjob i am
here is what I found
dozen sequence 123 followed a 1 only 2 times in that 1,000 spin sample
example
1
1
2
3
happened twice
trigger is dozen 1, when dozen 1 shows, then bet against 123
happening twice in 1,000 spins is MUCH better then 123 happening by itself 10-20 times in the same sample
yeehaw
Hi RouletteGhost
Why is that better than 123 happening by itself 10-20 times in the sample? If it only happens 10-20 times during a 1.000 spins, you are still a winner by far :-)
Using a 1 3 9 progression against 1 2 3 it is hard to catch up if you lose it
So im looking for better bet opportunities
123 following a sequence of 1s is much rarer
Betting against any dozen sequence thats unique is a damn good bet
123
132
213
231
312
321
Only triggers are above. See that bet against it when u see it
Rourke go thru some old spins tell me how many times u see one of the abkve repeat
I agree RouletteGhost, betting against a sequence of dozens or colums is a damn good bet.
However... I think your trigger is too long. I prefer betting against the previous 2 dozens or columns. Like 1,2 or 2,2 etc. and then switching between dozens and columns.
I use the same progression as you.
I like the idea. Keep the progression capped at 1 3
Easier to recoup
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 01, 06:26 PM 2016
just went through 1,000 spins like the nutjob i am
here is what I found
dozen sequence 123 followed a 1 only 2 times in that 1,000 spin sample
example
1
1
2
3
happened twice
trigger is dozen 1, when dozen 1 shows, then bet against 123
happening twice in 1,000 spins is MUCH better then 123 happening by itself 10-20 times in the same sample
yeehaw
Nice tweak to the original grassroots, how many % betting opportunity you got roughly in those 1000 spins
Quote from: Willie on Mar 02, 11:29 AM 2016
Nice tweak to the original grassroots, how many % betting opportunity you got roughly in those 1000 spins
Anytime you see dozen 1 show. Many many many times
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 02, 11:30 AM 2016
Anytime you see dozen 1 show. Many many many times
:thumbsup: cool..
I think similar hitrate would be after 1 shows up and betting that it doesn't complete to 123 and then start again with a 1.. So basically betting against 2,3,1 after we see a 1
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 02, 11:30 AM 2016
Anytime you see dozen 1 show. Many many many times
Do 10k spins RG.... let us know :)
So does anyone still playing it? :) I am 30k$ up with Grassroots. It's pretty much as KTF all you need to know is just when to jump in and you are ready to go. Plus some practice will be good as well ;)
Quote from: JahVinci on Mar 30, 01:20 AM 2016
So does anyone still playing it? :) I am 30k$ up with Grassroots. It's pretty much as KTF all you need to know is just when to jump in and you are ready to go. Plus some practice will be good as well ;)
:ooh: what's your win goal for a session
Initial goal is 1000$ with 2000$ br, but if session goes hard I am fine to leave with less, like 300-500$.
Quote from: JahVinci on Mar 30, 01:20 AM 2016
So does anyone still playing it? :) I am 30k$ up with Grassroots. It's pretty much as KTF all you need to know is just when to jump in and you are ready to go. Plus some practice will be good as well ;)
How you play it ? Rng ? Live online? B&M ?
Average time for a session? :)
Those who play it are scared to post. You get shot down at the spot lately
1. I play against unique Dozens (1-2-3, 3-2-1), Columns (A-B-C, C-B-A). I don't bet every spin. Makes no sense for me.
2. European wheel
3. Airball roulette
4. Real casino
5. Martingale: 50-50, 200-200, 700-700
6. Safe bet zero: 5, 20, 50
7. Average session time: 1.5-2 hours
And when you jump in ? 1-2-3 comes...now bet against it ?
3-2-2 comes. ..now bet against it ..etc
personally I play this only if I see for example 2-1-1 -2-1-1 .... now I start.
Maybe I explained wrong, but I play only 1-2-3, 3-2-1 and A-B-C, C-B-A. I don't like repeaters at all. I saw 1-2-2 and similar combinations up to 3-4 times in a row (1-2-2-1-2-2-1-2-2-1-2-2, etc. ). The only time I go against repeaters it's when column or dozen hits 5 times in a row (so far no losses yet).
On my roulette you can see trends. So I go against this trends. Let's say that last 2-3 mini games it hits dozens 1 and 2 only so betting against sequence 1-2-3 in this case kinda suicide imo. Coz it's more likely to happen. I prefer to bet 3-2-1 in this case. Same when dozen 3 and 2 dominate, I prefer bet 1-2-3, not 3-2-1. Similar idea for columns.
:ooh:
I think i understand. You have explained it to me once before
Can you give an example of where you would bet against 123 occuring and 321?
Trigger example
In other words: give me an example where you would say ok lets bet against 123 now
Much appreciated.
The idea that triggers do not mean anything i think is a farce, IF the trigger is rare.....
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 30, 08:28 AM 2016
In other words: give me an example where you would say ok lets bet against 123 now
Much appreciated.
The idea that triggers do not mean anything i think is a farce, IF the trigger is rare.....
here is part from my session yesterday where I simply avoided 1-2-3:
9 32 30 | 12 13 22 | 8 5 13 | 14 23 1 | 16 12 35 | 10 7 11 |
1 24 27 | 24 9 18 | 20 18 16 | 17 29 7 | 27 18 29 | etc.
So normally I just come to casino write down 20 numbers that hit before (it shows on the screen) divide mini games of 3, check dozens and columns. So in the example I gave before just check columns that hit before 1-2-3 combination hits (highlighted with red).
Writing the above numbers as dozens:
1 3 3 | 1 2 2 | 1 1 2 | 2 2 1 | 2 1 2 | 1 1 1 |
1 2 3 | 2 1 2 | 2 2 2 | 2 3 1 | 3 2 3 | etc.
So just look at it. Starting from first 1 3 3 mini game it switches to dozens 1 and 2. Why would you even try to bet in this case against sequence 1-2-3 to happen? Coz as for me it is most likely that 1-2-3 will happen there and boom! 1-2-3 happened. I was betting against 3-2-1 during that trend - won all. After that you can see that trend switched to dozens 2, 3 and was up for like next 12 spins. I was betting there against 1-2-3 - won all as well. I play the same way with columns. I don't bet every spin. I wait for the most favorable conditions. I think it's better to miss chance to win than lose.
There are other factors should be taken into account - hot numbers, cold numbers, part of the wheel that hits the most, less.
I tried it not only here in my casino in S.Korea. I played in Macau as well - Holidays Inn Hotel casino, Hard Rock Hotel Casino. 4 days 2 hour sessions in the morning. Covered all my and gf costs for trip - 3000$ total for both of us.
I can call it luck once or twice, but I am up a lot.
It is a great system. Just need to learn when to jump in. See that conditions that favor you, because if you will play like machine against machine you will have no chances.
All makes sense JV - well done.
I still dabble with this strategy (and KTF) online a few times a week when I have the time and it has paid well but my stakes are no where near as high as yours - I select a different unique each time (123, 132, 231, 213, 312, 321) with 1 - 3 - 9 progression. Session ends when I've selected all six uniques - usually win first or second spin and has only bust a few times using casino money so bank is up overall.
Thanks for sharing.
Nick
Nick,
I tried to use other unique combinations as well, but didn't work well for me and couldn't figure out "proper betting time" as I did for 1-2-3, 3-2-1.
Quote from: JahVinci on Mar 30, 10:06 AM 2016
here is part from my session yesterday where I simply avoided 1-2-3:
9 32 30 | 12 13 22 | 8 5 13 | 14 23 1 | 16 12 35 | 10 7 11 | 1 24 27 | 24 9 18 | 20 18 16 | 17 29 7 | 27 18 29 | etc.
So normally I just come to casino write down 20 numbers that hit before (it shows on the screen) divide mini games of 3, check dozens and columns. So in the example I gave before just check columns that hit before 1-2-3 combination hits (highlighted with red).
Writing the above numbers as dozens:
1 3 3 | 1 2 2 | 1 1 2 | 2 2 1 | 2 1 2 | 1 1 1 | 1 2 3 | 2 1 2 | 2 2 2 | 2 3 1 | 3 2 3 | etc.
So just look at it. Starting from first 1 3 3 mini game it switches to dozens 1 and 2. Why would you even try to bet in this case against sequence 1-2-3 to happen? Coz as for me it is most likely that 1-2-3 will happen there and boom! 1-2-3 happened. I was betting against 3-2-1 during that trend - won all. After that you can see that trend switched to dozens 2, 3 and was up for like next 12 spins. I was betting there against 1-2-3 - won all as well. I play the same way with columns. I don't bet every spin. I wait for the most favorable conditions. I think it's better to miss chance to win than lose.
There are other factors should be taken into account - hot numbers, cold numbers, part of the wheel that hits the most, less.
I tried it not only here in my casino in S.Korea. I played in Macau as well - Holidays Inn Hotel casino, Hard Rock Hotel Casino. 4 days 2 hour sessions in the morning. Covered all my and gf costs for trip - 3000$ total for both of us.
I can call it luck once or twice, but I am up a lot.
It is a great system. Just need to learn when to jump in. See that conditions that favor you, because if you will play like machine against machine you will have no chances.
thanks jahvinci
Quote from: JahVinci on Mar 30, 10:06 AM 2016
here is part from my session yesterday where I simply avoided 1-2-3:
9 32 30 | 12 13 22 | 8 5 13 | 14 23 1 | 16 12 35 | 10 7 11 | 1 24 27 | 24 9 18 | 20 18 16 | 17 29 7 | 27 18 29 | etc.
So normally I just come to casino write down 20 numbers that hit before (it shows on the screen) divide mini games of 3, check dozens and columns. So in the example I gave before just check columns that hit before 1-2-3 combination hits (highlighted with red).
Writing the above numbers as dozens:
1 3 3 | 1 2 2 | 1 1 2 | 2 2 1 | 2 1 2 | 1 1 1 | 1 2 3 | 2 1 2 | 2 2 2 | 2 3 1 | 3 2 3 | etc.
So just look at it. Starting from first 1 3 3 mini game it switches to dozens 1 and 2. Why would you even try to bet in this case against sequence 1-2-3 to happen? Coz as for me it is most likely that 1-2-3 will happen there and boom! 1-2-3 happened. I was betting against 3-2-1 during that trend - won all. After that you can see that trend switched to dozens 2, 3 and was up for like next 12 spins. I was betting there against 1-2-3 - won all as well. I play the same way with columns. I don't bet every spin. I wait for the most favorable conditions. I think it's better to miss chance to win than lose.
There are other factors should be taken into account - hot numbers, cold numbers, part of the wheel that hits the most, less.
I tried it not only here in my casino in S.Korea. I played in Macau as well - Holidays Inn Hotel casino, Hard Rock Hotel Casino. 4 days 2 hour sessions in the morning. Covered all my and gf costs for trip - 3000$ total for both of us.
I can call it luck once or twice, but I am up a lot.
It is a great system. Just need to learn when to jump in. See that conditions that favor you, because if you will play like machine against machine you will have no chances.
Very interesting!! So grassroots just switched from a System to a Method!!
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Mar 30, 09:47 PM 2016
Very interesting!! So grassroots just switched from a System to a Method!!
Simon.
I guess so. Because from what I saw for the last 4 months I play it if you will play every spin and mechanically, just no chances. We are not obliged to bet every spin. So why not use it in our favor. It's our advantage over house edge.
Credit goes to ATI:
, I've check the same thing on 100k live spins.
These are the stats for the 123 dozen pattern.
123 - 3397 times
123 1 - 1041 times
123 12 - 339 times
123 123 - 126 times
123 123 1 - 43 times
123 123 12 - 16 times
123 123 123 - 8 times
123 123 123 1 - 2 times
123 123 123 12 - 2 times
123 123 123 123 - 0 times
Quote from: JahVinci on Mar 30, 10:23 PM 2016
I guess so. Because from what I saw for the last 4 months I play it if you will play every spin and mechanically, just no chances. We are not obliged to bet every spin. So why not use it in our favor. It's our advantage over house edge.
I have won a bit with Grassroots without ever busting. But it actually is mechanical. I really like your idea and will test it this weekend.
When you say that you also take in consideration hot, cold numbers and wheel sectors, what exactly are you looking for?
Thanks!!
Simon.
jahvinci is doing well
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 01, 03:06 PM 2016
Credit goes to ATI:
, I've check the same thing on 100k live spins.
These are the stats for the 123 dozen pattern.
123 - 3397 times
123 1 - 1041 times
123 12 - 339 times
123 123 - 126 times
123 123 1 - 43 times
123 123 12 - 16 times
123 123 123 - 8 times
123 123 123 1 - 2 times
123 123 123 12 - 2 times
123 123 123 123 - 0 times
Nice info RG! Thanks!!
Pretty interesting stuff. Here is a little preliminary testing. Let me know if I am doing it right or not.
323 / 231 / 321 / 301 / 312 / 231 / 111 / 122 / 322 / 211 / 123 / 323 / 112 / 232 /
(321)(321)
123 / 322 / 002 / 212 / 221 / 111 / 221 / 322 / 110 / 323 / 113 / 232 / 230 /
+1 +1
(123)(123)
233 / 322 / 331 / 121 / 123 / 031 /
+1 +1
Number in bold are the games I watched beacose of a 1-2 or 2-3 dominant games. The games in bold and underlined are the ones I actually bet on. The number above those in bold are the series from which I bet against. The +1 under is the units won.
Let me know what you think about it and if I am on the right track.
I was wondering, what do you do if you get 3 minigames where you have only the 1st and 3rd dozens? Do you bet against something? What about the Zero? How do you count it when it appear in a minigame?
Simon.
Quote from: JahVinci on Mar 30, 10:06 AM 2016
here is part from my session yesterday where I simply avoided 1-2-3:
9 32 30 | 12 13 22 | 8 5 13 | 14 23 1 | 16 12 35 | 10 7 11 | 1 24 27 | 24 9 18 | 20 18 16 | 17 29 7 | 27 18 29 | etc.
So normally I just come to casino write down 20 numbers that hit before (it shows on the screen) divide mini games of 3, check dozens and columns. So in the example I gave before just check columns that hit before 1-2-3 combination hits (highlighted with red).
Writing the above numbers as dozens:
1 3 3 | 1 2 2 | 1 1 2 | 2 2 1 | 2 1 2 | 1 1 1 | 1 2 3 | 2 1 2 | 2 2 2 | 2 3 1 | 3 2 3 | etc.
So just look at it. Starting from first 1 3 3 mini game it switches to dozens 1 and 2. Why would you even try to bet in this case against sequence 1-2-3 to happen? Coz as for me it is most likely that 1-2-3 will happen there and boom! 1-2-3 happened. I was betting against 3-2-1 during that trend - won all. After that you can see that trend switched to dozens 2, 3 and was up for like next 12 spins. I was betting there against 1-2-3 - won all as well. I play the same way with columns. I don't bet every spin. I wait for the most favorable conditions. I think it's better to miss chance to win than lose.
There are other factors should be taken into account - hot numbers, cold numbers, part of the wheel that hits the most, less.
I tried it not only here in my casino in S.Korea. I played in Macau as well - Holidays Inn Hotel casino, Hard Rock Hotel Casino. 4 days 2 hour sessions in the morning. Covered all my and gf costs for trip - 3000$ total for both of us.
I can call it luck once or twice, but I am up a lot.
It is a great system. Just need to learn when to jump in. See that conditions that favor you, because if you will play like machine against machine you will have no chances.
So from this part of you post,,,,
1 3 3 | 1 2 2 | 1 1 2 | 2 2 1 | 2 1 2 | 1 1 1 | 1 2 3 | 2 1 2 | 2 2 2 | 2 3 1 | 3 2 3 | etc.
So just look at it. Starting from first 1 3 3 mini game it switches to dozens 1 and 2. Why would you even try to bet in this case against sequence 1-2-3 to happen? Coz as for me it is most likely that 1-2-3 will happen there and boom! 1-2-3 happened. I was betting against 3-2-1 during that trend - won all. After that you can see that trend switched to dozens 2, 3 and was up for like next 12 spins. I was betting there against 1-2-3 - won all as well. I play the same way with columns. I don't bet every spin. I wait for the most favorable conditions. I think it's better to miss chance to win than lose.
I don't get what you are saying. You point out the "1 2 3". Somehow you are betting
against "3-2-1" up to that point? I don't see the logic or how 3-2-1 relates to the 1-2-3.
You talk about the trends like you know they will happen. And also like you actually bet
them every spin. The whole paragraph is confusing.
Thread killa inbound
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 08:25 PM 2016
Thread killa inbound
Lol. I'm so confused.... >:D
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 09, 08:43 PM 2016
Lol. I'm so confused.... >:D
Simon.
I completely understood what you said. I dont comprehend his confusion
Quote from: JahVinci on Mar 30, 02:19 AM 2016
5. Martingale: 50-50, 200-200, 700-700
If I play with a bankroll like that and loose, I'm gonna shoot myself in the head!! :wink:
For now, I'm playing with 0.10$ units... And I'm having a lot of fun with this!
Simon.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 08:25 PM 2016
Thread killa inbound
LOL. Really. That got a bellie laugh.
But either way, splain it. Looks like alphabet soup to me.
On a spin by spin basis, point out what you would bet, or not bet,
and why. (Killer........)
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 09, 08:43 PM 2016
Lol. I'm so confused.... >:D
Simon.
I think a "WTF" is called for. But not with the usual meaning
that the forum has.
To clarify
1 3 3 | 1 2 2 | 1 1 2 | 2 2 1 | 2 1 2 | 1 1 1 | 1 2 3 | 2 1 2 | 2 2 2 | 2 3 1 | 3 2 3 | etc.
So just look at it. Starting from first 1 3 3 mini game it switches to dozens 1 and 2. Why would you even try to bet in this case against sequence 1-2-3 to happen? Coz as for me it is most likely that 1-2-3 will happen there and boom! 1-2-3 happened. I was betting against 3-2-1 during that trend - won all. After that you can see that trend switched to dozens 2, 3 and was up for like next 12 spins. I was betting there against 1-2-3 - won all as well. I play the same way with columns. I don't bet every spin. I wait for the most favorable conditions. I think it's better to miss chance to win than lose.
Looking back at the results, WITHOUT the benefit of hindsight, he's talking about writing
down 20 results. But then, somehow, he's referring to those same 20 results as his
rational for betting 3-2-1 BEFORE he was able to see the data to tell him that.
What is also funny, is that magically a 1-2-3 turns up. Which is on the rarer side.
It sound more like low hanging fruit for a 1-2-3 to turn up, then against it.
There is no actual logic anywhere.
"Hey look RG. The lottery # today was 1-2-3!!!!!! (I was going to play that.
Really)."
So here's how the whole thing plays out.
1) I'm going to make a judgement based on some data that hasn't happened yet.
I'm going to assume that it has a lot of 1's and 2's (I guess :question:).
2) Based on this hypothetical information I'm going to say that I should bet
against 3-2-1. On what basis, I don't know....... :yawn:
3) But LOOK!!!!!! :smile:!!! Somehow in this small sample the ACTUAL
pattern I wanted to avoid turns up!!!! :P "1-2-3".
4) When I see "1-2-3", I guess I figure that lightning doesn't strike twice in
the same place. So I switch to betting against it!!!! :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
5) Oh, BTW, I don't bet every spin. But somehow I was winning all of them,
while spinning this logical web. Dodging bullets. All of what? If you are packaging
things in groups of 3 that only allows you 1 bet out of 3. And (supposedly :twisted: :twisted:)
You were waiting those first 20 spins that you knew would happen. So you can't
count those.
(Unless it's convenient to your argument).
And NO RG. I'm not drunk. Sober 14 years. Maybe a good excuse for you to
not stop.........
Quote from: mogul397 on Apr 10, 11:26 AM 2016
So here's how the whole thing plays out.
1) I'm going to make a judgement based on some data that hasn't happened yet.
I'm going to assume that it has a lot of 1's and 2's (I guess :question:).
2) Based on this hypothetical information I'm going to say that I should bet
against 3-2-1. On what basis, I don't know....... :yawn:
3) But LOOK!!!!!! :smile:!!! Somehow in this small sample the ACTUAL
pattern I wanted to avoid turns up!!!! :P "1-2-3".
4) When I see "1-2-3", I guess I figure that lightning doesn't strike twice in
the same place. So I switch to betting against it!!!! :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
5) Oh, BTW, I don't bet every spin. But somehow I was winning all of them,
while spinning this logical web. Dodging bullets. All of what? If you are packaging
things in groups of 3 that only allows you 1 bet out of 3. And (supposedly :twisted: :twisted:)
You were waiting those first 20 spins that you knew would happen. So you can't
count those.
(Unless it's convenient to your argument).
And NO RG. I'm not drunk. Sober 14 years. Maybe a good excuse for you to
not stop.........
Geez, so much hate. Why do you even bother so much if it "has no logic"? Close the thread and never get back here. Easy.
With this "no logic" I am 34k$ up currenlty. Today morning win - 780$.
Quote from: JahVinci on Apr 10, 11:39 AM 2016
Geez, so much hate. Why do you even bother so much if it "has no logic"? Close the thread and never get back here. Easy.
With this "no logic" I am 34k$ up currenlty. Today morning win - 780$.
He doesnt realize that simonzed was showing the results and explaining what he was playing based on what he was seeing
There were many 1s and 2s so he was playing against 321
Not even worthy of a response
Id like to master the favorable conditions where we should bet against 123 or 321
Have you tried playing while wearing a green shirt? It will probably win more if you wear a green shirt. If that doesn't work, then try the blue one. Yes, the blue one should work.
Quote from: The General on Apr 10, 01:49 PM 2016
Have you tried playing while wearing a green shirt? It will probably win more if you wear a green shirt. If that doesn't work, then try the blue one. Yes, the blue one should work.
Personally I found the color of the shirt has minor influence
If you really want to make a difference the shoe laces have to be tied in two knots and prior to each spin you have to tap your forehead. They will look at you funny but you'll be winning.
There was a time I would clockwise turn the chair but it never helped.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 01:53 PM 2016
Personally I found the color of the shirt has minor influence
If you really want to make a difference the shoe laces have to be tied in two knots and prior to each spin you have to tap your forehead. They will look at you funny but you'll be winning.
There was a time I would clockwise turn the chair but it never helped.
I found out with time that when I have an erection, I win more than the usual. That's why I always watch Pr0n when playing roulette....
Simon.
Here are the results for my morning session.
232 / 223 / 132 / 331 / 132 / 322 / 313
Bab cbb cbb cca caa aab cba
123 / 222 / 121 / 212 / 331 / 112 / 233 / 322
Baa cbc cac abc bab acc ccb bac
331 / 223 / 213 / 312 / 132 / 222 / 123 / 221
Cbc ccc bbc bcb bcc cbc baa abb
+7 units.
As usual, the bold are the one I observe, the Bold Underlined are the one I bet on., This time, I tried dozens and columns.
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 10, 02:56 PM 2016
I found out with time that when I have an erection, I win more than the usual. That's why I always watch Pr0n when playing roulette....
Simon.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
With a blue shirt on
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 12:01 PM 2016
He doesnt realize that simonzed was showing the results and explaining what he was playing based on what he was seeing
There were many 1s and 2s so he was playing against 321
Not even worthy of a response
What you fail to see is that he was "playing" those results
as they occurred, then using them to determine strategy.
It was also interesting how that run was like a MAGNET to the
1-2-3 that we hope to avoid.
Quote from: JahVinci on Apr 10, 11:39 AM 2016
Geez, so much hate. Why do you even bother so much if it "has no logic"? Close the thread and never get back here. Easy.
With this "no logic" I am 34k$ up currenlty. Today morning win - 780$.
What unit size? The size that is too much for most peoples taste here?
And oh. How did you play? Did you miss my question? The reason there may seem
to be hate is that, as usual, people ignore defining the actual method and make
general claims of success.
Like RG said about the "thread killer", follows the continuation of the "ambiguous
posts".
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 10, 03:01 PM 2016
Here are the results for my morning session.
232 / 223 / 132 / 331 / 132 / 322 / 313
Bab cbb cbb cca caa aab cba
123 / 222 / 121 / 212 / 331 / 112 / 233 / 322
Baa cbc cac abc bab acc ccb bac
331 / 223 / 213 / 312 / 132 / 222 / 123 / 221
Cbc ccc bbc bcb bcc cbc baa abb
+7 units.
As usual, the bold are the one I observe, the Bold Underlined are the one I bet on., This time, I tried dozens and columns.
Simon.
simon i get the gist of what you and jahvinci are doing
i dont quite 100% grasp in what case it is best to bet against 123 or 321 for example
Quote from: mogul397 on Apr 10, 10:19 PM 2016
What unit size? The size that is too much for most peoples taste here?
And oh. How did you play? Did you miss my question? The reason there may seem
to be hate is that, as usual, people ignore defining the actual method and make
general claims of success.
Like RG said about the "thread killer", follows the continuation of the "ambiguous
posts".
(link:://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01833/waiter_1833378c.jpg)
Quote from: The General on Apr 10, 01:49 PM 2016
Have you tried playing while wearing a green shirt? It will probably win more if you wear a green shirt. If that doesn't work, then try the blue one. Yes, the blue one should work.
That's "generally" true.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 10:21 PM 2016
(link:://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01833/waiter_1833378c.jpg)
Very funny, but I've never seen it mentioned about playing 3x for
other 2 dozen. And it appears as if that's what's going on.
3x flat bet? If that's a silver platter then......
Was always 1-3-9. Or 1st win.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 10:21 PM 2016
(link:://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01833/waiter_1833378c.jpg)
BTW, you're supposed to take the cover off.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 10:19 PM 2016
simon i get the gist of what you and jahvinci are doing
i dont quite 100% grasp in what case it is best to bet against 123 or 321 for example
So you agree it wasn't explained and you don't get it? Good.
Well I "understand" what he's "trying" to do with the 1-2-3 thing as well.
And I don't get that either.
Si I guess we're on common ground. Go get you're silver platter.
Quote from: mogul397 on Apr 10, 10:33 PM 2016
So you agree it wasn't explained and you don't get it? Good.
Well I "understand" what he's "trying" to do with the 1-2-3 thing as well.
And I don't get that either.
Si I guess we're on common ground. Go get you're silver platter.
I don't know what to say anymore. Have a good night.
Quote from: mogul397 on Apr 10, 10:16 PM 2016
What you fail to see is that he was "playing" those results
as they occurred, then using them to determine strategy.
Actually, no. These are the results from my LIVE game. This is the log of an actual session that I played.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 10:19 PM 2016
simon i get the gist of what you and jahvinci are doing
i dont quite 100% grasp in what case it is best to bet against 123 or 321 for example
It is a bit confusing i agree. Can either Jahvinci or Simon explain a little bit more.
KTFPissa!
LOL
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Apr 10, 11:05 PM 2016
Actually, no. These are the results from my LIVE game. This is the log of an actual session that I played.
I think most of us knew that..... :twisted:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 11, 06:27 AM 2016
KTFPissa!
LOL
Just a guess, but I'm going to brace myself for a deluge of well documented
posts of everyones real play results and winnings!!!!! It's the only logical
thing that can happen when everyone is completely clear on how to play and win!!!!!!
This is exciting.
(Of course, if it doesn't happen, then I'll have to wonder. And will have to ask about it.)
Quote from: mogul397 on Apr 12, 01:23 PM 2016
Just a guess, but I'm going to brace myself for a deluge of well documented
posts of everyones real play results and winnings!!!!! It's the only logical
thing that can happen when everyone is completely clear on how to play and win!!!!!!
This is exciting.
(Of course, if it doesn't happen, then I'll have to wonder. And will have to ask about it.)
Mogul
The thing is there is no way to play set in stone
Jahvinci and simonzed took grassroots and formatted it to win for themselves
Its simple. Simon for example if he sees many 1s and 2s he plays against 321 for example. He didnt curve fit that he posted an actual session and what he was betting at that time based on the outcomes he was seeing
Its nothing set in stone
Jahvinci has tweaked grassroots according to his style
Sometimes there is no exact rules
Grassroots is betting against 123. If you wish make it work for you....
Im afraid you have a lot of questions but those playing with grassroots bave tweaked it for themselves. Think a little man!!!!!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 12, 01:29 PM 2016
The thing is there is no way to play set in stone
Jahvinci and simonzed took grassroots and formatted it to win for themselves
Exactly. I took Grassroots and I made my own Tweak with the second bet only when 1st bet win with the progression from hell bla bla bla... And for me, it works. It's very slow, but after 1500 spins, I got no loosing sessions.
I took KFT and WTF and made something of my own. I dont understand the trot and backcount and everything (well, actually I understand them but just dont see the point.) and I made it work for me but using something else, The law of the third. Got burned once. But now I know why. Because of greed. My first method was working well and I changed it. I learned something.
Roulette methods are like Lego blocks. You can buy a set that makes a Fire Truck. But if it dont fits you, you can take the same building blocks and make it into something that fits you better.
People trying to find something that is just plug-n-play will never win. The best way to go it just to try to find your own way to play, and then, only then, you are going to win.
Simon.
been off the board for a good minute.reading through some of the tweaks on the now crowned method def has my brain cells turning.i'm trying wiggle it all into focus.there's excitement brewing in my mind but i havent got it all formulated yet if that makes sense. O0 props to the tweakers.have a few simple tweaks of my own that id love to get feed back on soon.simplicity and patience are golden with this one. cheers.
Is this one still being played or has it just fallen in a heap?
Looks like it has fallen by the wayside. I do not know why as it is a very good system. Stop looking for the HG and use the best of what is available. This system has 116 pages of comments (mostly positive)How many comments do you need? I hope by posting this it will resuscitate the patient. I play alternating double dozens/columns to mix things up a bit and less waiting. It will not avoid inevitable loss but as Tesco says `Every little helps` (for those who do not know who Tesco is: it is a large supermarket chain in many countries. I am using 1 - 3 - 9 and taking loss (Have had very few) but I quite like the idea of ramping up stakes after a loss for a fast recovery. The statistics seem to be well in our favour against repeating 1 2 3`s. For all those that qualify: take my advice and VOTE LEAVE in the UK EU referendum on JUNE 23rd.
Quote from: bleep24 on May 31, 07:07 AM 2016
Looks like it has fallen by the wayside. I do not know why as it is a very good system. Stop looking for the HG and use the best of what is available. This system has 116 pages of comments (mostly positive)How many comments do you need? I hope by posting this it will resuscitate the patient. I play alternating double dozens/columns to mix things up a bit and less waiting. It will not avoid inevitable loss but as Tesco says `Every little helps` (for those who do not know who Tesco is: it is a large supermarket chain in many countries. I am using 1 - 3 - 9 and taking loss (Have had very few) but I quite like the idea of ramping up stakes after a loss for a fast recovery. The statistics seem to be well in our favour against repeating 1 2 3`s. For all those that qualify: take my advice and VOTE LEAVE in the UK EU referendum on JUNE 23rd.
It is good if played properly
Hit and run. Not static
I tested this extensively
Its not that it is not good, its that 1 loss takes awhile to recover
Ideas bleep?
Yes 123 is not likely to be followed by 123 it is "rare"
Can wait for 123123 then go in but that trigger takes awhile......
Quote from: bleep24 on May 31, 07:07 AM 2016For all those that qualify: take my advice and VOTE LEAVE in the UK EU referendum on JUNE 23rd.
:thumbsup:
QuoteYes 123 is not likely to be followed by 123 it is "rare"
123 is just as likely to follow it as 231, 333, 222, 111. Furthermore, there's no reason to wait for 123.
Quote from: The General on May 31, 12:59 PM 2016
123 is just as likely to follow it as 231, 333, 222, 111. Furthermore, there's no reason to wait for 123.
Thanks
Never knew that
Thank god for you. Otherwise who would open my eyes.
I only do 1 2 3 on tuesdays between 6 and 7 pm. Otherwise I do 2 3 1
Occasionally on a west wind I will play 3 2 1
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 31, 01:06 PM 2016
Thanks
Never knew that
Thank god for you. Otherwise who would open my eyes.
I only do 1 2 3 on tuesdays between 6 and 7 pm. Otherwise i do 2 3 1
Occasionally on a west wind I will play 3 2 1
LoL
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 31, 01:06 PM 2016Occasionally on a west wind
Dont ever pull a face when the wind blows. If it changes direction, your face will stay that way.
My mum told me when I was a kid...so its true
Quote from: Turner on May 31, 02:07 PM 2016
Dont ever pull a face when the wind blows. If it changes direction, your face will stay that way.
My mum told me when I was a kid...so its true
Pull face must be the british way of saying "making a face"
wow , they say that in the UK too ? it must be true :o
Quote from: onetaste on Nov 02, 10:29 AM 2015
System idea is as easy as 1,2,3...The strike-rate will surprise. You simply continually bet against the dozens sequence of 1,2,3 appearing.You can go for one win per line (3 spins) or on a rolling basis. The strikerate is so high that 1,3,9 will suffice.MOST wins are in first or second spins.
1,3,2---W 2nd spin
2,1,1---W 1st spin
2,3,2 ---W 1st spin
3,1,2---W 1st spin
1,2,1---W 3rd spin
I play at b & M casinos exclusively/..No extensive software tests or anything.Just a simple observation. that dozens appearing 1 then 2 then 3 doesn't happen often and is something that can be taken advantage of. Give it a go. O0
Interesting
Quote from: JSG240592 on May 31, 04:12 PM 2016
Interesting
It is an interesting topic. As long as it stays unhijacked by blabbering "know it alls"
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OMG
the cardinal rule has been broken
and it was a tuesday between 6 and 7!
Have you made your millions with this yet RG?
Since I hate taking decisions, I use Random.org to decide for me which sequence to play against.
link:s://:.random.org/sequences/?min=1&max=3&col=3&format=html&rnd=new
Just hit Again! to get a new sequence!! Neat!! No decisions to take!! Perfect for a lazy guy like me!! And that's real Random vs Random!
I use also this one:
link:s://:.random.org/integers/?num=200&min=1&max=3&col=3&base=10&format=html&rnd=new
And I take the lines with 3 different dozens.
Simon.
Thays actually cool. How often would the rng guess the next sequence.....
Not often enough where id play a single dozen. Put it that way
Cool idea and something id do for fun with low denomination amounts
I'm assuming as this thread is still going that this system hasn't come un stuck as of yet? I havnt done any testing as I am testing something different at the minute but this is 100% next on my list. I think playing either Dozens or Columns wouldn't make much difference as they both hold 3/1 odds. Could we not play both Dozens and columns at the same time? This way when/if you do lose you will only lose 1unit
Example:-
Column 2,3 & Dozen 2,3
Column 1,3 & Dozen 1,3
Column 1,2 & Dozen 1,2
If either the un played column or dozen hits on the specified spin the we lose 1u but if we win the spin we win 2u
Let's say we are playing with 10u chips
Dozens only- stake 20u
win 10u
Lose 20u
Column and Dozen-stake 40u
Win 20u
Lose 10u
LOSE 40u
If 1st spin was Dozen 2 and column 3 then we would play
Dozen 1,2
Column 2,3
I hope what I have written is understandable? And feedback would be good
Quote from: JSG240592 on Jun 02, 07:08 PM 2016
I'm assuming as this thread is still going that this system hasn't come un stuck as of yet? I havnt done any testing as I am testing something different at the minute but this is 100% next on my list. I think playing either Dozens or Columns wouldn't make much difference as they both hold 3/1 odds. Could we not play both Dozens and columns at the same time? This way when/if you do lose you will only lose 1unit
Example:-
Column 2,3 & Dozen 2,3
Column 1,3 & Dozen 1,3
Column 1,2 & Dozen 1,2
If either the un played column or dozen hits on the specified spin the we lose 1u but if we win the spin we win 2u
Let's say we are playing with 10u chips
Dozens only- stake 20u
win 10u
Lose 20u
Column and Dozen-stake 40u
Win 20u
Lose 10u
LOSE 40u
If 1st spin was Dozen 2 and column 3 then we would play
Dozen 1,2
Column 2,3
I hope what I have written is understandable? And feedback would be good
Is NOT following on from my last comment. Just looking to clear this up as no doubt this issue has already been discussed.
If a mini game is 3spins and we are ending a mini game after a win (A win is only ever 1unit) and watching the remaining spin/s virtually, Then we would need 26 winning mini games to every 1 losing mini game. Mini game lose of 3step progression (1,3,9) = total lose of -26units
3spins per mini game x 26 mini games = 78spins.
I am sure people can see what I am getting at. This needs to be played continually in order to out way lose with profits.
If I enter the table and the last dozen to show was Dozen 2 do I bet that Dozen 3 wont be out next or do I enter with a 'clean slate' and bet against 1,2,3?
If I bet against 1,2,3. Which means for the first spin I am betting Dozens 2 and 3. Lets says Dozen 2 shows. Could I start the 1,2,3. Betting trail again straight away? This way your making the most of every spin.
Yes. That is the issue
A loss may not happen so often but it requires 26 wins to recover
Thats why i wait for unique then bet against the unique repeating
123123123 does not happen often at all and u actually may never see that
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 03, 09:11 AM 2016
Yes. That is the issue
A loss may not happen so often but it requires 26 wins to recover
Thats why i wait for unique then bet against the unique repeating
123123123 does not happen often at all and u actually may never see that
I read your other thread here:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14702.0
Have you tried GLC suggestions with 123123123?
His suggestions with your sequence should be really powerful, or what do you think?
- Tuddilue
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 31, 07:28 AM 2016
It is good if played properly
Hit and run. Not static
I tested this extensively
Its not that it is not good, its that 1 loss takes awhile to recover
Ideas bleep?
Yes 123 is not likely to be followed by 123 it is "rare"
Can wait for 123123 then go in but that trigger takes awhile......
I'm just coming off a run of trying to formulate something with a single dozen.
And my head hurts.
It's good to see and hear that something is still holding water and that
people are using it.
116 pages? Well I like to see at least 120.............. :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
Anyway RG, the thought/idea that comes into my head about the "123123", is
wrapped up somewhere in the thought of saying that if you don't march lockstep
with the triple pattern, then you will be out of it.
Like if you see "123" then you skip one or two spins and continue to play. Or
pick another pattern other than 123. Of course the first 123 would have gotten
you. But you ONLY have to be one off to fix that. I know that I have effectively
said nothing. But like I said, my head hurts. Skipped my daily (lately) 1/2 hour
casino run to think.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 31, 01:06 PM 2016
Thanks
Never knew that
Thank god for you. Otherwise who would open my eyes.
I only do 1 2 3 on tuesdays between 6 and 7 pm. Otherwise I do 2 3 1
Occasionally on a west wind I will play 3 2 1
Not to worry. I've got your back RG. I'm always here for you.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jun 03, 03:06 PM 2016
Not to worry. I've got your back RG. I'm always here for you.
I'm blessed.
Has anyone coded this?
If yes, can someone test it with this betting (havent read the 118 pages, sorry if someone sugested anything like it already ) :
Bet levels:
level 0 - [1-3-9]
level 1 - [2-6-18]
level 2 - [3-9-27]
... (as much levels as bankroll allows)
Now, we start at lvl 0 and play until a loss.
On a loss, we go up a lvl.
We play at current lvl until one of the following happens :
a) - we are at a new high bankroll (the moment we are, we reset to lvl 0)
b) - we win 26 consecutive attacks at current lvl (drop back a lvl)
c) - we lose (in this case we go up a lvl)
If you try it, share your results. Thanks!
Quote from: vladir on Jun 03, 07:14 PM 2016
Has anyone coded this?
If yes, can someone test it with this betting (havent read the 118 pages, sorry if someone sugested anything like it already ) :
Bet levels:
level 0 - [1-3-9]
level 1 - [2-6-18]
level 2 - [3-9-27]
... (as much levels as bankroll allows)
Now, we start at lvl 0 and play until a loss.
On a loss, we go up a lvl.
We play at current lvl until one of the following happens :
a) - we are at a new high bankroll (the moment we are, we reset to lvl 0)
b) - we win 26 consecutive attacks at current lvl (drop back a lvl)
c) - we lose (in this case we go up a lvl)
If you try it, share your results. Thanks!
hey vladir
i had the exact same idea earlier in the thread
see attached post
1 3 9. on a loss increase unit size to recover fast....
things in this thread got derailed...
this was a normal for me
see the lack of 123 in the mini games?
i had a great time testing
always use money you can afford to lose
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 03, 07:17 PM 2016
hey vladir
i had the exact same idea earlier in the thread
see attached post
1 3 9. on a loss increase unit size to recover fast....
things in this thread got derailed...
this was a normal for me
see the lack of 123 in the mini games?
i had a great time testing
always use money you can afford to lose
Nice, and for how much spins did you test that may I ask?
thousands
not many losses
Quote from: vladir on Jun 03, 07:14 PM 2016
Has anyone coded this?
If yes, can someone test it with this betting (havent read the 118 pages, sorry if someone sugested anything like it already ) :
Bet levels:
level 0 - [1-3-9]
level 1 - [2-6-18]
level 2 - [3-9-27]
... (as much levels as bankroll allows)
Now, we start at lvl 0 and play until a loss.
On a loss, we go up a lvl.
We play at current lvl until one of the following happens :
a) - we are at a new high bankroll (the moment we are, we reset to lvl 0)
b) - we win 26 consecutive attacks at current lvl (drop back a lvl)
c) - we lose (in this case we go up a lvl)
If you try it, share your results. Thanks!
I still wonder if it isn't a good idea to only play 1,3 and absorb the smaller
loss of 8 units.
Hi mogul397,
Maybe this doz/col tracker software from VLS can help?
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9951.0
A.
Quote from: vladir on Jun 03, 07:14 PM 2016
Has anyone coded this?
If yes, can someone test it with this betting (havent read the 118 pages, sorry if someone sugested anything like it already ) :
Bet levels:
level 0 - [1-3-9]
level 1 - [2-6-18]
level 2 - [3-9-27]
... (as much levels as bankroll allows)
Now, we start at lvl 0 and play until a loss.
On a loss, we go up a lvl.
We play at current lvl until one of the following happens :
a) - we are at a new high bankroll (the moment we are, we reset to lvl 0)
b) - we win 26 consecutive attacks at current lvl (drop back a lvl)
c) - we lose (in this case we go up a lvl)
If you try it, share your results. Thanks!
Tried it
Worked well
After a 3 step loss i recovered quickly
Thx
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 04, 02:18 PM 2016
Tried it
Worked well
After a 3 step loss i recovered quickly
Thx
I took a page of RNG data from the link Simon left today and played on paper.
Just used each row of 3 for play till I won or lost.
It sucked.
After 4 wins I hit the 3rd bet twice in a row and then a loss.
And 1,2,3 came out the 2nd set of 3 in a row.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jun 04, 07:25 PM 2016
I took a page of RNG data from the link Simon left today and played on paper.
Just used each row of 3 for play till I won or lost.
It sucked.
After 4 wins I hit the 3rd bet twice in a row and then a loss.
Luckily you have the freedom to leave this strategy and never look back.
You saw 123123123, better go play lotto cowboy.
I have posted thousands of sets from zumma in this very thread in excel charts, 123123123 i have never seen once, Pinocchio.maybe I am wrong on the assumption, can you post the number set?
.
what amazes me is on ALL my zumma tests a loss on 123 using a 1 3 9 progression ALWAYS recovered without upping the unit size
amazed by that
Mogul must be the unluckiest guy on the planet. No matter what system it is he always manages to find losing streaks. If it is on RNG then I can well believe it but I only play `live` as RNG experiences are the pits. I would suggest to Mogul he try playing 1,2,3 dozens followed by 1,2,3 columns. Also after a 1,2,3 loss stop playing for 5 or 6 spins. I have only experienced a few 1.2.3 in my limited playing of this but it is so easy to play and there are that many variations (tweaks) that can be applied to suit all players and there should not be many losses overall.
Grassroots 1,2,3 should definitely be in every players tool-box.
I have not tried it but playing +1/-1 in theory should work owing to the high level of winning spins.
We could also play dozens/columns at same time having 2 separate banks.
Quote from: bleep24 on Jun 05, 03:52 AM 2016
Mogul must be the unluckiest guy on the planet. No matter what system it is he always manages to find losing streaks. If it is on RNG then I can well believe it but I only play `live` as RNG experiences are the pits. I would suggest to Mogul he try playing 1,2,3 dozens followed by 1,2,3 columns. Also after a 1,2,3 loss stop playing for 5 or 6 spins. I have only experienced a few 1.2.3 in my limited playing of this but it is so easy to play and there are that many variations (tweaks) that can be applied to suit all players and there should not be many losses overall.
Grassroots 1,2,3 should definitely be in every players tool-box.
I have not tried it but playing +1/-1 in theory should work owing to the high level of winning spins.
We could also play dozens/columns at same time having 2 separate banks.
Definitely
And he did test it on rng. Explains a lot
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 04, 07:37 PM 2016
Luckily you have the freedom to leave this strategy and never look back.
You saw 123123123, better go play lotto cowboy.
I have posted thousands of sets from zumma in this very thread in excel charts, 123123123 i have never seen once, Pinocchio.
maybe I am wrong on the assumption, can you post the number set?
Not so fast Bubameister.
So what I did (if it wasn't clear) was I generated a random set of data from
Simons generator that he posted in reply 1747
link:s://:.random.org/integers/?num=200&min=1&max=3&col=3&base=10&format=html&rnd=new
And I played off that for my bet choices. Not just a vanilla 123.
Here are the picks from the generator (hard to read cause I was
crossing them off)
3 2 1
1 2 2
1 3 3
2 2 2
2 1 3
1 1 2
1 1 1
2 2 3
2 3 1
3 3 2
(Stopped there)
Actual spins. (I went to a new row after a win)
9R
6B 36R
5R 18R
25R
13B 4B 22B (win on 3rd)
11B 00 7R (Win on 3rd)
7R 11B 5R Loss. Played against 1st dozen 3 times that row.
10B
9R
18R
So I'm not on a zumma rant. Since it seems like there might be
some method to the tap dance of working around and avoiding
different choices, the RNG from Simon seemed as goog as any.
Going twice to the 3rd bet and then losing, made body parts pucker.
And you will notice (going by "3's") that the 2nd set of 3
numbers from the actual wheel were "1 2 3". "5R, 18R, and 25R".
So the attack came from many directions.
Maybe it's "booba meister"
Im closing on a house tomorrow
Hard wood floors thursday
Painting
Cousins wedding
Roulette has to go bye bye for now
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 06, 08:11 AM 2016
Im closing on a house tomorrow
Hard wood floors thursday
Painting
Cousins wedding
Roulette has to go bye bye for now
It's great that a car salesman can afford his own house.
I knew a woman in her 70's who worked at McDonalds
waching dishes. She bought a brand new Hyundai Elantra.
I said, "what a country we live in. An old woman who washes
dishes can afford a brand new car".
Quote from: mogul397 on Jun 06, 08:23 PM 2016
It's great that a car salesman can afford his own house.
I knew a woman in her 70's who worked at McDonalds
waching dishes. She bought a brand new Hyundai Elantra.
I said, "what a country we live in. An old woman who washes
dishes can afford a brand new car".
#1 - You are obviously some kind of an ass hole
#2 - I am not a car salesman
#3 - I know car salesman who make 6 figures, by the way. Should not be so quick to judge people
Good for the woman working at McDonalds. Not everyone can be as fortunate as you and somehow make it through life with the mental capacity of "I don't get it"
Want to help me paint?
RG
Best wishes on the occasion of home ownership.
Nathan Detroit
Quote from: Tamino on Jun 06, 08:39 PM 2016
RG
Best wishes on the occasion of home ownership.
Nathan Detroit
I am closing at 3PM tomorrow and the closing costs are still a mystery, LOL
lookin at this for the basement
(link:://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-30486157705251_2272_17418642)
good luck on the house RG
Yes, good luck RG
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 06, 10:55 PM 2016
good luck on the house RG
You mean that he IS "the house"?
Don't need luck for that.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 06, 08:26 PM 2016
#1 - You are obviously some kind of an ass hole
#2 - I am not a car salesman
#3 - I know car salesman who make 6 figures, by the way. Should not be so quick to judge people
Good for the woman working at McDonalds. Not everyone can be as fortunate as you and somehow make it through life with the mental capacity of "I don't get it"
Want to help me paint?
"Yes"
"No"
"Maybe".
And of course I'll help you paint. Send me your address.
And I'll look forward to losing money to you on your new wheel!!!!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 06, 08:26 PM 2016
#1 - You are obviously some kind of an ass hole
#2 - I am not a car salesman
#3 - I know car salesman who make 6 figures, by the way. Should not be so quick to judge people
Good for the woman working at McDonalds. Not everyone can be as fortunate as you and somehow make it through life with the mental capacity of "I don't get it"
Want to help me paint?
I'll tell you a true story about car sales.
Back the year gas went to $4 I got solicited to sell cars. Looked like
scam but was actual email from a large local dealer.
Long story short, they "hired" 3 groups of 10 of us in a dealership where
the core was 10 salesmen.
Of course, with the $4 gas and 30 extra salesmen we were all gone in
2 months. That's the short version of the story.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jun 06, 07:31 AM 2016
Not so fast Bubameister.
So what I did (if it wasn't clear) was I generated a random set of data from
Simons generator that he posted in reply 1747
link:s://:.random.org/integers/?num=200&min=1&max=3&col=3&base=10&format=html&rnd=new
And I played off that for my bet choices. Not just a vanilla 123.
Here are the picks from the generator (hard to read cause I was
crossing them off)
3 2 1
1 2 2
1 3 3
2 2 2
2 1 3
1 1 2
1 1 1
2 2 3
2 3 1
3 3 2
(Stopped there)
Actual spins. (I went to a new row after a win)
9R
6B 36R
5R 18R
25R
13B 4B 22B (win on 3rd)
11B 00 7R (Win on 3rd)
7R 11B 5R Loss. Played against 1st dozen 3 times that row.
10B
9R
18R
So I'm not on a zumma rant. Since it seems like there might be
some method to the tap dance of working around and avoiding
different choices, the RNG from Simon seemed as goog as any.
Going twice to the 3rd bet and then losing, made body parts pucker.
And you will notice (going by "3's") that the 2nd set of 3
numbers from the actual wheel were "1 2 3". "5R, 18R, and 25R".
So the attack came from many directions.
Interesting that RG can talk about his house and job in the roulette forum.
And take the time to call me an "asshole".
But give no recognition to my response post to his own comment.........
And who's the asshole. I keep joking about you being a car salesman. You said
you worked at a car dealership. But NEVER do you correct me and tell me
what you REALLY do!!!!! Maybe if I had correct information I wouldn't guess.
But one thing is for sure. Even if "roulette has to go away", and your house and
painting, and all, you will tip your hand to the fact that, with all that, you made it
back here to see this response.
And you should be painting.....
...........and the TRUTH shall make you free.
Never has there been more bull shit thrown by so few.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jun 06, 07:31 AM 2016
Here are the picks from the generator (hard to read cause I was
crossing them off)
3 2 1
1 2 2
1 3 3
2 2 2
2 1 3
1 1 2
1 1 1
2 2 3
2 3 1
3 3 2
(Stopped there)
For fun, try playing only lines with 3 differents dozens. I would not play all these combinations. In this sequence I would have played against the first one (3,2,1) and my next mini game would have been the 5th line (2,1,3) after that, the line before the last one (2,3,1) etc....
Try it. Just for fun. Dont bet your entire retirement funds on this one. It's not a HG. It's just for fun. As all other "systems".
Simon.
SimonZed1 pulled the plug of this 123 charade.
Its disappointing that the last few pages of this thread have been childish, What is the outcome of this strategy?.
Hi all,
This seemed so full of promise and it becomes spoilt by too many tweaks. And what to tweaks make - twits.
Forget generator etc. They are no better a choice than just sticking with vanilla 1 2 3. Perhaps alternate dozens and columns. You have as much chance either way.
VOTE LEAVE in the referendum. I have at least 20 reasons for leaving and not one for staying. So stick that in your pipe Cameron.
Quote from: JSG240592 on Jun 07, 02:34 PM 2016
Its disappointing that the last few pages of this thread have been childish, What is the outcome of this strategy?.
It fails. As just all of this site so-called "strategies".
1,2,3 or 3,2,1 or 3,3,1 or anything else, it all fails in the end.
Play it for fun if you want. All that it is is that it is more fun than doing some mindless betting on mindless random numbers.
Simon.
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Jun 07, 12:03 PM 2016
For fun, try playing only lines with 3 differents dozens. I would not play all these combinations. In this sequence I would have played against the first one (3,2,1) and my next mini game would have been the 5th line (2,1,3) after that, the line before the last one (2,3,1) etc....
Try it. Just for fun. Dont bet your entire retirement funds on this one. It's not a HG. It's just for fun. As all other "systems".
Simon.
Well to be honest for me to actually play ANYTHING with real money, I have to test it
in a real application. At the wheel (real, airball, or RNG). Part of that has to do with
muscle memory at the wheel. Once the decisions begin to fly, my concentration wanders.
Any time I DO play for real (seldom) I bring the cash, have the plan, play the plan, and stop.
To the point though, it does seem like when you are getting "chop" (change of results,
like 1,3,2,3,1,2 kind of thing) that that ends up being the profile of the wheel results then,
I would almost use it as a signal to stay away from a rolling bet choice like 1,2,3.
As I think about it, it might be a good time to play against 3,3,3 or something, while
the results are chopping.
What do you think of this thinking?
My other real thought is that it may be more manageable to play only
a 1,3 progression. Not so difficult a situation when you only lose 8 units
on a loss.
Keep the reigns tight on these martingales. (Yes, I said the word again. Kind of
snuck up on everyone that it's a martingale)
Or try the EC version. 5 step is $160. Can you guess the next 5 EC in a row?
Put them in a 3 wide matrix
1-2 ... bet 1/2
2-3 ... bet 2/3
1-1 ... no bet
3-1 ... bet 3/1
2-2 ... no bet
0-1 ... no bet
etc.....
Bet with the PARLAY ON DOUBLE DOZEN.
But first measure the average variance (for example play virtual till a dd of -10 then begin). If you test this you will see it goes up and down to eventually lose at the HE. Find the point where it goes up on average and begin.
Variance can be measured. There will always be rare events. But if you don't use a negative progression you should be ok :thumbsup:
Quote from: SimonZed1 on Jun 08, 08:38 PM 2016
It fails.
1,2,3 or 3,2,1 or 3,3,1 or anything else, it all fails in the end.
Play it for fun if you want.
Yes, correct !!
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Aug 04, 11:28 AM 2016
Yes, correct !!
Ken
Of course it does if you play like that :thumbsup:
Still one of the best systems on here if played right >:D
Quote from: sturrock on Aug 15, 02:29 PM 2016
Still one of the best systems on here if played right >:D
A lot of different way to play it. How do you play it?
- Tuddilue
Triggers make it the best. Proper triggers
People dont like to talk about that
Triggers make people triggered
(link:://:.joshuanhook.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/4a3c3e9ddb89babe1ae32689dd958171.jpg)
Hi Tuddilue,
I play it lots of ways, As RG says wait for triggers to come along, And don't be gready.
I have not lost with this since it has been posted!!!!! :twisted:
Quote from: sturrock on Aug 16, 03:18 AM 2016
Hi Tuddilue,
I play it lots of ways, As RG says wait for triggers to come along, And don't be gready.
I have not lost with this since it has been posted!!!!! :twisted:
Ok thanks for the response!
Which triggers? I will go back in the thread and reread..
Thanks again
-Tuddilue
A trigger for me would be doz 1 2 3 now bet against it. Losses will be very minimal
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 16, 11:44 AM 2016
A trigger for me would be doz 1 2 3 now bet against it. Losses will be very minimal
Aha thanks RouletteGhost!
-Tuddilue
Quote from: sturrock on Aug 15, 02:29 PM 2016
Still one of the best systems on here if played right >:D
Not really. I got 3 losses in a row when I tested/played.
One a real loss.
Quote from: tuddilue on Aug 16, 12:43 PM 2016
Aha thanks RouletteGhost!
-Tuddilue
Lots of different triggers i guess play whatever way you like
Quote from: sturrock on Aug 15, 02:29 PM 2016
Still one of the best systems on here if played right >:D
As a matter of fact, for a method looking for something seldom hit, it
probably wouldn't be a bad method to do a 3 step parlay. Look for
3, 2-1 wins in a row......
Dear All
I play 123, 132, 213, 231, 312, 321 then 2 VL then play with a 1,4,19 prog never lost yet, But you are waiting quite a time before this happens zzzzzzzz
This is the best one to play
Play every spin and bet Doz 2/3 then 1/3 then 1/2 repeat till ten units up 1,3,9 prog
Quote from: sturrock on Aug 17, 03:33 AM 2016
Dear All
I play 123, 132, 213, 231, 312, 321 then 2 VL then play with a 1,4,19 prog never lost yet, But you are waiting quite a time before this happens zzzzzzzz
This is the best one to play
Play every spin and bet Doz 2/3 then 1/3 then 1/2 repeat till ten units up 1,3,9 prog
What VL are you looking for
Thanks
The 2nd part looks like you are playing the original as in against a 1 2 3 scenario with a 10 unit goal
Hi RG,
I wait for 1 2 3 / 1 2 then bet the 3rd doz won't show I play this with all the combinations Slow but safe With 1/4/19 Prog :thumbsup:
and you are right I also just play 2/3 1/3 1/2 over and over till up 10 units You can flat bet this but I go1/3/9 as very safe. So playing both at the same time works well
(Also play green just in case)
Quote from: sturrock on Aug 17, 09:16 AM 2016
Hi RG,
I wait for 1 2 3 / 1 2 then bet the 3rd doz won't show I play this with all the combinations Slow but safe With 1/4/19 Prog :thumbsup:
and you are right I also just play 2/3 1/3 1/2 over and over till up 10 units You can flat bet this but I go1/3/9 as very safe. So playing both at the same time works well
(Also play green just in case)
Playing 12312 then against 3 one time
If lose wait for enxt trigger thrn up the units
You will just about always win but that trigger takes a long time lol
Quote from: sturrock on Aug 17, 03:33 AM 2016
Dear All
I play 123, 132, 213, 231, 312, 321 then 2 VL then play with a 1,4,19 prog never lost yet, But you are waiting quite a time before this happens zzzzzzzz
playtech live spin
25 3
23 2
18 2
34 3
33 3
16 2
28 3
8 1
20 2 3&1 L
26 3 1&2 L
5 1 2&3 L.......2x1
18 2 3&1 L.....2x4
30 3 1&2 L.....2x19 prog never lost yet?
35 3 2&3 W
25 3
1 1
21 2
33 3
17 2
27 3
28 3
23 2
1 1
30 3
18 2
31 3
32 3
Quote from: gorki on Aug 17, 09:54 AM 2016
playtech live spin
25 3
23 2
18 2
34 3
33 3
16 2
28 3
8 1
20 2 3&1 L
26 3 1&2 L
5 1 2&3 L.......2x1
18 2 3&1 L.....2x4
30 3 1&2 L.....2x19 prog never lost yet?
35 3 2&3 W
25 3
1 1
21 2
33 3
17 2
27 3
28 3
23 2
1 1
30 3
18 2
31 3
32 3
Never jump right in
Triggers! Lol
reading back trough this oldie...with patience and the right triggers,grassroots or a version thereof is the best "system" there is.
Onetaste,
Ever tought about a kind of positive progression on this since the hitrate is pretty good?
R
This venerable old thread deserves a BIG BUMP.
:twisted: :twisted:
Here's a silly programme which I wrote instead
of doing what I was supposed to be doing.
Does nothing but list the occurrences of the
27 possible combinations of 1,2 and 3.
I'm not even going to put a pic. Try it just for fun.
Hello sorry to bump up this thread but i am new to this forum and read almost all 80 plus pages with interest. May i ask if any of the posters (if they are still active on this forum) still use this strategy and how they find it overall? i have tried it a few times and it does win most of the time. i do like the idea of betting against the previous dozen but i wait for a trigger (i.e 1 2 3 then i wait for 1 to appear and bet against 2nd dozen)
Might be one or two of them lurling from time to time i guess.
Its a good thread thought, lots of good information in there. The 1,2,3 unlikeliness, pitting random vs random (continally changing sets betting against 2,1,3 then 3,2,1 etc.) ,progressions and set length. Best thing i got from the thread was that its kinda pointless betting into long progression .. even if its a set of 3, betting more than twice is just pointless as you rarely hit the third bet anyway so no 1, 3, 9, 27 ..not even 1,3, 9 just the 1,3.
I dont play the 3 set, 1,2,3 or dozens anymore, but i do play double columns from time to time using the best advice ive gotten on double dozen/columns so far: i think it was GLC who mentioned it a handfull of years ago that you should never bet after a loss. So that what i do now. Just playing against the coldest column. On a win i play continually play down like 15, 8, 4, 2 (sometimes steeper its not set in stone) .. On first loss (aka lets say i lost at 2) i wait for a virtual win and reset up & bets 15 .. if this "first bet" also looses i wait again for a new virtual win and bet 45 (or sometimes smaller like 40 or 35 if im much ahead). If i loose this bet (it happens but very rarely) i either reset again to 15 or walk away.
Quite a bit of a grind like 3 steps forward then 2 back all the time, but after an hour there is usually a nice little profit. Also i do keep an eye on the column stats, so if the coldest column suddenly becomes the hottest its time for a change, however i rarely change columns more than once every half hour. Of cause i cant see no reason why this wouldnt work with double dosens its just because i see long streaks often on dosens at my local wheel, where as columns seem to be more random & smaller streaks.
HI THANATOS
ABOUT YOUR DOUBLE COLUMN METHOD
COULD YOU PLEASE BE A LITTLE MORE CLARIFY GIVING ONE MORE
EXAMPLE FROM A SEQUENCE OF FEW SPINS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY?
YOUR METHOD SEEMS INTERSTING
THANKS A LOT
Thanatos, how do you determine the coldest column?
At an online casino, they give you the columns and dozens strength percentage wise, but what method do you use in a b&m casino to determine the coldest one?
Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 17, 03:29 PM 2018
How do you determine the coldest column?
At an online casino, they give you the columns and dozens strength percentage wise, but what method do you use in a b&m casino to determine the coldest one?
I definately dont have a "magic" way of choosing the right cold column, but it thankfully do seem not to matter too much because of the way its played. Aka since we never bet after a loss and wait for a virtual win we dont fall into the trap on betting into a streak. Like lets say column 3 is the cold column but suddenly becomes super hot, then it usually streaks like 13333212 where "bad" column is in a streak. That is usually how a column peak over the 33% and its usually short termed & temporary. Even if the "bad" column goes crazy for a bit longer so even the dealer notices it like 23333113333321333313333312 or 1231322332123331311322 we manage to pull ahead.
Analyzing the "death" pattern is always a good idea and in this case its like 131313 (where 3 is the bad column) in the shortest version. Not gonna lie and pretend this pattern cant happen as the wheel can produce anything.However do note that in just 6 spins the "bad" column need a 50%+ hitrate (a very short time) & usually means that to actually hit this pattern with the "streaks" the column need a very noticable higher 70%+ hitrate, So basicly a giant red flag in myface that its time to change columns.
So in a real brick & mortar casino id probably choose a quick trigger, like looking at the last 10 spins & choose to bet the 2 most hot ones, untill it later on becomes "flag" time.
Oh and i have had a bit of theory of changing up the "death" pattern so instead of always waiting for virtual win (after a loss), then mix up things waiting 2 virtual wins sometimes. Aka instead 131313 then 13113113 or 1311313 or 1313113 etc. etc. Of cause this is a bit longer patterns (slower wins) but might be safer as instead playing a pattern untill it finally shows, then mixing up the pattern. Then again you can argue that it dosnt matter or is even worse.
Quote from: poluvolo on Sep 17, 11:16 AM 2018
...CLARIFY GIVING ONE MORE, EXAMPLE FROM A SEQUENCE OF FEW SPINS IN ORDER ...
Sure ;)
Europe table:
Column 1 (c1): 1,4,7,10, 13 ..
Column 2 (c2):2,5,8,11,14 ..
Column 3 (c3): 3,6,9,12,15 ..
Looking at the table stats we happen to choose column 1 & 2 to bet on, aka we bet against column 3.
Spin_____Bet_____Result_____Total
We bet initially 2x 15 units.
13 (c1) 2x15 +15 +15 (We won the first spin +15, we put aside part of the winning/ "regression" so next we bet 2x 4 units)
4 (c1) 2x4 +4 +19 (we won the bet, next we bet 2x 2 units)
23 (c2) 2x2 +2 +21 (we won the betnext we bet 2x 1unit)
28 (c1) 2x1 +1 +22 (we won the bet, next we bet 2x unit as you cant go lower)
9 (c3) 2x1 -2 +20 (we lost the bet, so no next bet, we wait for a virtual win)
18 (c3) - - +20 (virtual loss, no bet, we wait again)
11 (c2) - - +20 (virtual win, so now we "reset" & bet 2x 15 units)
29 (c2) 2x15 +15 +35 (we won the bet, next we bet 2x 4 units)
3 (c3) 2x4 -8 +27 (we lost the bet, no bet, )
33 (c3) - - +27 (virtual loss, no bet)
36 (c3) - - +27 (virtual loss, no bet)
10 (c1) - - +27 (virtual win, so we reset & bet 2x 15 units)
12 (c3) 2x15 -30 -3 (Loss, so no bet & we wait for virtual win).
2 (c2) - - -3 (virtual win, so next bet is 2x 40 units).
34 (c1) 2x40 40 +37 (we won, next bet is 2x4 units)
...
Probably got inspired by the EC "mazimum betting strategy" aka basicly go down units on a win & go up units on a loss. Definately want to point out that the progression steps arnt set in stone, like if im ahead & the wheel is kind to me i may regress down 15, 12, 9, 6, 3, 2, 1. But if its a grinding pain to barely win i may chicken out and go 15, 30 or even 15, 25 and hope that the 66%-ish hitrate will finally catch up. The main thing to take away from this i guess is that the short column streaks tend to take up the major part of the columns hitrate, so if you play to avoid it then the 2 remaining columns hitrate should prevail in the long run.