Beating roulette with math..

[albalaha]

I could show you a test right now but I have not tested this myself enough to give you an workable example. I'm not certain about all the rules that he plays with. I will continue to look at his posts and see what I can do to keep my bets low as possible

Dear Marcus,
               Do you understand what are you saying? If you don't understand it fully, what is the purpose of this thread/topic? Apply whatever you got from the method to my given session and try to reach somewhere atleast. So much appreciation of a system without even understanding it completely is very comic. Any other supporter of this method willing to clarify it?

[Fripper]

What the purpose is?
- Well it is for people to discuss about these principles and that's what this forum is about, to discuss.

I haven't said that I understand it fully and that is because Belgian only gives hints in his posts.
I'm not sure if you even have read his posts..

By then you must have understood that the labby must always end and that's not sure with these spins you provided. But, I can check them and put results here, if that's the thing that you want.

Do your homework please, not everything comes to you for free.

[superman]

So much appreciation of a system without even understanding it completely is very comic. Any other supporter of this method willing to clarify it?

Wether you think it will work or not is probably best kept to yourself, you are "almost" attacking Fripper, I said almost, please note that!

If people like Fripper just give up when 1 person reacts in the negative then we aint gonna get far with anything.

I am sure when Fripper can clarify it he will, keep going Fripper, I can't make head or tails of it yet, currently deeply involved with something else so can't do any testing, BUT I personally feel maths or some sort of money managelemnt is going to be the only way to survive, especially on RNG

[Bayes]

Didn't have time yesterday, but the horror sessions are on their way today. 

Looking for the worst-case scenario is always worth doing, and "Belgian" (actually his username was Perkin in the VIP thread) did claim to do consistently well with the progression, although it was never completely clear how he was using it.

[Fripper]

Didn't have time yesterday, but the horror sessions are on their way today. 

Looking for the worst-case scenario is always worth doing, and "Belgian" (actually his username was Perkin in the VIP thread) did claim to do consistently well with the progression, although it was never completely clear how he was using it.

Nice to here Bayes!

The problem with hard sessions isn't to clear them, the hard thing is to keep the bets within the table limits. I am experimenting on that, Belgian have said some very good advices to do just that.

[Bayes]

Ok, I used the file of 700,000+ wiesbaden spins and divided it into 200 spin windows, there were 11 such windows in which there were less than 75 wins for a particular even chance. I think this has to be the toughest sequence, betting on EVEN:

  0
12
12
    25
6
    9
    19
    23
    1
    9
    19
    35
    23
    35
    25
    1
    29
    1
    7
    11
    19
    9
    21
    33
20
28
    11
    21
    11
    1
    7
    15
    11
  0
    5
    25
    1
28
    33
    3
    23
10
    17
    35
34
    19
    21
34
    21
    5
    5
    33
    29
20
    13
    3
    11
26
4
36
    1
    11
14
    25
24
    1
18
32
36
8
34
    7
4
    21
4
    25
34
    35
    3
    21
28
4
6
    23
    9
36
20
    35
24
    25
    27
    17
    1
30
    15
    35
16
    33
24
20
8
26
    23
    11
    35
    23
    27
    35
8
6
16
  0
8
    17
    5
    17
4
    9
28
    27
10
    7
26
    33
    13
24
32
    25
    7
30
30
12
    17
    21
22
    33
    15
12
    19
20
    17
28
    13
    27
    9
    9
6
28
    25
    17
    19
26
    29
    3
36
    21
    13
10
    27
    9
26
    11
    25
    35
    13
28
    31
    11
    23
    19
18
24
    13
    9
20
6
18
12
14
28
    33
36
32
    7
    31
    9
    31
    11
    13
    1
  0
    31
8
    31
  0
    7
    35
    33
    11
10

I've uploaded the file containing the other "horror" sequences (including the one posted above). I have also included the next 200 spins in the sequence which follows the horror sequence, so that you can see how the spins play out if most of the losses come at the end, so there are 11 sets of 400 spins.

Now, I anticipate that some will object that they would not play these sequences through to the end, or that they will use some other "fancy" bet selection (ie; not simply betting one side of an even chance). Fair enough, but just keep in mind that a sequence like one of these could occur no matter what bet selection you're using, and similarly, if you think you can avoid it by keeping to a "loss limit", please tell me why it will never happen that when you start play again (after hitting your loss limit) you will not immediately hit another losing sequence, so that no matter how you break up the 200 spins, you will never get a similar ratio of wins to losses (ie; less than 75 wins out of 200, whether they are played in a single session, or broken up over several).

The point is to try to find a way to at least break even when you hit this kind of sequence, if you can do that (and keep in mind that these horror runs are very rare - only 11 sets of sequences in over 3,500 had less than 75 wins), then as long as you can make fair returns the remainder of the time, then it should be reasonable to claim that you have the game beat. Just don't stick your head in the sand or pretend it will never happen you. 

[Fripper]

Thanks Bayes for you work!

I have some news, they are good.

In the hard session of mine were there was 123 Red and 73 blacks I cut down my bets to 164 units betting on black. Highest bet 164 units and lowest point was -597 units.
That is much better than before were the highest bet was 406 units.

Again I have used Belgians hints and made up a strategy that seems very good and safe.

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I will go away some days and will be back on sunday. So in sunday night I will explain how I play it for you who did wonder and I will also try some of your horror sessions Bayes! 



Cheers

[ADulay]

I've uploaded the file containing the other "horror" sequences (including the one posted above). I have also included the next 200 spins in the sequence which follows the horror sequence,.

Hi,

  What constitutes a "horror sequence" as you've called it?

  A lack of something?   Too much of something?

  I'd like to try this against some MM and wagering plans here locally but I don't know what you're doing to get your "wins and losses".

  One would think that any sequence of events that are "one-sided" in outcomes should produce a bonanza of wins, no matter which side it appears on.

  Or did I completely miss the original problem?

  AD

[Bayes]

What constitutes a "horror sequence" as you've called it?

  A lack of something?   Too much of something?

Yes, a strong deviation against your chosen bet selection. In the case of the sequence I posted above, if you had chosen to bet EVEN on every spin, then your sequence of wins of losses would have started off like this:

    L
W
W
    L
W
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
W
W
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
W
    L
    L
    L
W
    L
    L
W
    L
    L
W
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
W
    L
    L
    L
W
W
W

Again, I want to emphasize that mathematically, ANY bet selection is subject to the same deviations, so the above sequence of wins and losses could have been generated by a more "sophisticated" bet selection. It's too easy to say, in hindsight, that "I would never have used bet selection XYZ"; that is not a valid get-out clause.

[ego]

Just don't stick your head in the sand or pretend it will never happen you.

i just had to quote you on that ...

[Bayes]

As they say in the scouts: "Be prepared". 

[Fripper]

As they say in the scouts: "Be prepared". 

That's why I wanted the "horror" sessions at the first place, testing this way will give us a hint about how a bad session will come and how to take advantage of it.

So far this seems to good to be true, but you never know..

[VIP]

The problem with this kind of play is when we have a lot of Wins in the begining of the session and in the end when we are left with 2-3 needed wins to complete the seesion the losses will be very highly added on the few bets....so in the end esspecialy when we will be left win just 1 more needed Win the system becomes Martignale.....

A lot of trouble for nothing

[Bayes]

A lot of trouble for nothing

You have to be adaptable. If you get more wins at the beginning of the session you can just shift the 200 spin "window" forward and set aside your wins.

[chrisbis]

You have to be adaptable. If you get more wins at the beginning of the session you can just shift the 200 spin "window" forward and set aside your wins.

And the Use Ur BR to attempt another session using a different system.

Exactly how I play.

Be very flexible, adaptive, and above all, have Ur wits about U.
Its up to U the player to take/seize the advantage-
don't let the casino/operator/game platform take the initiative.