Good morning friends,
As you All know, i Love repeaters.
This is my Hounting Repeaters System that has the main focus on Hot numbers but also cold ones turning Hot!
Neep Help testing, so far so good. Won 10/10 Games but More testing is needed. Feel free to throw your idea's around if you like.
1. SPIN UNTIL A NUMBER HITS FOR THE SECOND TIME WITHIN A 18 SPIN WINDOW.
2. EVERYTIME A NUMBER HITS FOR THE SECOND TIME WITHIN 18 SPINS FROM EACHOTHER WE PLACE 1UNIT ON THAT NUMBER AND ALSO A UNIT ON THE OLDERT BETS. SO IF #1 WAS OUR FIRST REPEATER, WE SPIN UNTIL WE HAVE A HIT ON THAT NUMBER. WHEN IN PROFIT WE START OVER.
3. WHEN A SECONS REPEATER COMES ALONG WE HAVE TWO NUMBERS BET, WE PLACE 2U ON EACH AND SPIN AGAIN AND ADDING NEW REPEATERS TO OUR LIST WITH A EXTRA CHIP ON THE REST. SO 1# 1UNIT, 2# 2 UNITS ON EACH ETC ETC.
4.WHEN WE HAVE A HIT ON ONE OF OUR NUMBERS. BUT WE ARE NOT AT A NEW HIGH, WE THEB REMOVE THE NUMBERS THATBHAS HIT AND LOWER THE REST OF THE NUMBERS WITH 1 UNIT AND CONTINUE FROM THERE.
SO IF WE HAVE 5 NUMBERS BET WE HAVE 5X5 UNITS (25) ON THE TABLE. IF ONE HITS WE REMOVE THE HIT ONE AND WE THEN CONTINUE WITH 4X4 ETC ETC. WE THEN SPIN UNTIL WE HAVE A NEW REPEATER (RAISE ONE UNIT ON ALL) OR HIT AGAIN AND NO NEW HIGH (LOWER ONE UNIT ON ALL).
THIS WE CINTINUE UNTIL WE GET OUR FIRST PROFIT AND THEN WE START AGAIN FROM THE START WITH ONE NEW REPEATER. LIKE TURBO ALWAYS SAYS, AS LONG AS THERE ARE REPEATERS WE CAN'T LOOSE. AND HE IS RIGHT ON THAT ONE. BY REMOVING A NUMBER AFTER A HIT AND LOWER THE CHIPS BY ONE, WE ENSURE OURSELFS FROM TOO MANY NUMBERS AND TOO MUCH EXPOSURE OF OUR BANKROLL. A FEW HITS AFTER EACHOTHER WILL GIVE ALWAYS A PROFIT AT SOME POINT. WE ONLY NEED TO MAKE OUT WHAT KIND OF BANKROLL IA NEEDED. PERSONALY I THINK 1/1000 WILL BE ENOUGH. WHAT ARW YOUR THOUGHTS FRIENDS!
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 25, 01:28 AM 2018
Good morning friends,
As you All know, i Love repeaters.
This is my Hounting Repeaters System that has the main focus on Hot numbers but also cold ones turning Hot!
Neep Help testing, so far so good. Won 10/10 Games but More testing is needed. Feel free to throw your idea's around if you like.
1. SPIN UNTIL A NUMBER HITS FOR THE SECOND TIME WITHIN A 18 SPIN WINDOW.
2. EVERYTIME A NUMBER HITS FOR THE SECOND TIME WITHIN 18 SPINS FROM EACHOTHER WE PLACE 1UNIT ON THAT NUMBER AND ALSO A UNIT ON THE OLDERT BETS. SO IF #1 WAS OUR FIRST REPEATER, WE SPIN UNTIL WE HAVE A HIT ON THAT NUMBER. WHEN IN PROFIT WE START OVER.
3. WHEN A SECONS REPEATER COMES ALONG WE HAVE TWO NUMBERS BET, WE PLACE 2U ON EACH AND SPIN AGAIN AND ADDING NEW REPEATERS TO OUR LIST WITH A EXTRA CHIP ON THE REST. SO 1# 1UNIT, 2# 2 UNITS ON EACH ETC ETC.
4.WHEN WE HAVE A HIT ON ONE OF OUR NUMBERS. BUT WE ARE NOT AT A NEW HIGH, WE THEB REMOVE THE NUMBERS THATBHAS HIT AND LOWER THE REST OF THE NUMBERS WITH 1 UNIT AND CONTINUE FROM THERE.
SO IF WE HAVE 5 NUMBERS BET WE HAVE 5X5 UNITS (25) ON THE TABLE. IF ONE HITS WE REMOVE THE HIT ONE AND WE THEN CONTINUE WITH 4X4 ETC ETC. WE THEN SPIN UNTIL WE HAVE A NEW REPEATER (RAISE ONE UNIT ON ALL) OR HIT AGAIN AND NO NEW HIGH (LOWER ONE UNIT ON ALL).
THIS WE CINTINUE UNTIL WE GET OUR FIRST PROFIT AND THEN WE START AGAIN FROM THE START WITH ONE NEW REPEATER. LIKE TURBO ALWAYS SAYS, AS LONG AS THERE ARE REPEATERS WE CAN'T LOOSE. AND HE IS RIGHT ON THAT ONE. BY REMOVING A NUMBER AFTER A HIT AND LOWER THE CHIPS BY ONE, WE ENSURE OURSELFS FROM TOO MANY NUMBERS AND TOO MUCH EXPOSURE OF OUR BANKROLL. A FEW HITS AFTER EACHOTHER WILL GIVE ALWAYS A PROFIT AT SOME POINT. WE ONLY NEED TO MAKE OUT WHAT KIND OF BANKROLL IA NEEDED. PERSONALY I THINK 1/1000 WILL BE ENOUGH. WHAT ARW YOUR THOUGHTS FRIENDS!
Have to correct something. You need at least 2000 units as bank to play this System, because sometimes you are betting on 9-12 repeaters before a hit and that won't be covers with 1000 units. The Most - i faced was - 1278 before it turned around. At that time i had 11 repeaters on board. So i would say 2000 is enough to start, but the higher your bank to better. (2000-5000) units should be the safest to play. Try before any negative comments, it should recover real quick. I'm always open for positieve feedback :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 25, 02:50 AM 2018
Have to correct something. You need at least 2000 units as bank to play this System, because sometimes you are betting on 9-12 repeaters before a hit and that won't be covers with 1000 units. The Most - i faced was - 1278 before it turned around. At that time i had 11 repeaters on board. So i would say 2000 is enough to start, but the higher your bank to better. (2000-5000) units should be the safest to play. Try before any negative comments, it should recover real quick. I'm always open for positieve feedback :thumbsup:
Thanks for sharing it.
Update: +1324 units.
20 Games played / 20 Games won.
Biggest drawdown was -1278 units.
Most repeaters played was 11 and that was a rare session. Most Time Max repeaters on board 6-8.
Hi JEK, is every new spin the start of another 18 spin window? In other words do you check the number that just hit for a repeat in the following 18 spins?
Quote from: ZERO on Feb 25, 04:38 AM 2018
Hi JEK, is every new spin the start of another 18 spin window? In other words do you check the number that just hit for a repeat in the following 18 spins?
Yes this time we don't use past spins for a new session. We treat a new session as we Just walked into the Casino, and take the last spin on the marque to be our First. This way i tried to avoid Hot numbers that Have turned cold.
Yeah, sounds like fun.
I'll give it a try!
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 25, 06:54 AM 2018
Yeah, sounds like fun.
I'll give it a try!
Great, Let us know how it went. Please Exit the session when in First profit and start fresh with the last number spun. Have fun.
So you raise the bets with one unit on a hit (if no new high). But you said you lower the bets also? Sorry don't understand.
Hi,
do you discard sleeping repeater after a while? Do you ever need to get there?
First game and up 233 units at spin 23.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 25, 07:33 AM 2018
Hi,
do you discard sleeping repeater after a while? Do you ever need to get there?
First game and up 233 units at spin 23.
No i don't. I used Palestis 26 Max spin a while, but had too often that a number i had Just discard would hit on the next spin or a few spins later. And the Most sessions are over before spin 37-45 anyway. So i Just Keep everything and only drop a number if it is hit not sooner.
Remeber to use the smalest value chips, because a RFH can be a very long grind. U Will survive Trust me, but you need to keep goin' and don't look back and you Will finish in profit All the Time, i Hope :smile:
Not sure,
I was just down 1200 with 12 nrs at 12units each, was losing 144 every spin. This behavior is scary and might not be that rare...
I dunno...
I could try with streets instead, or splits...
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 25, 07:46 AM 2018
Not sure,
I was just down 1200 with 12 nrs at 12units each, was losing 144 every spin. This behavior is scary and might not be that rare...
I dunno...
I could try with streets instead, or splits...
Not scary at all :wink:
You don't Have a problem with 12x12 bet. And 144 units per spin. Just Keep goin' and Keep my rules in mind. Remove a number after a hit and reduce the chips by 1 on All other numbers for the next spin, you Will be Fine. I Have had a few of those sessions as well, Always came out + you Just need to keep goin' and like i said a bankroll of 2000+ Will do Just Fine. I play with 4000 units as bank and i never Have to Cross the 2500 unit line. Keep Spinning....
Also remeber that a session like that good take up More then 100+ spins, it is a grind sometimes and those sessions are indeed not rare, but every new repeater that you add to the list Will Make sure that the spins Will be lesser and lesser before a hit and when it does that a few times you are back in plus.
I'm now at 28/28 Games, none lost.
Of those 28 Games i Have had 3 Games of 11x11 numbers bet and 4 times 12x12 and two of 14x14 numbers bet. All turned out plus at the End. The other 19 game were All done under 10 numbers bet. :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 25, 08:20 AM 2018
I'm now at 28/28 Games, none lost.
Of those 28 Games i Have had 3 Games of 11x11 numbers bet and 4 times 12x12 and two of 14x14 numbers bet. All turned out plus at the End. The other 19 game were All done under 10 numbers bet. :thumbsup:
Did you bust the theoretical 2000 br?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 25, 08:40 AM 2018
Did you bust the theoretical 2000 br?
Nope, not yet. Everytime it stayed under the 2000 units, but had some really close ones, so that's why i said it is better to have a 2000 - 5000 bankroll. After 3000 i'm sure the odds are on my side. :smile:
Is this how you play jekhb76?
Ex.
3
3 now 1 unit on no 3
2
2 now 2 units on no 2; 2 units on no 3
...or when do you raise the chips?
It's a d'Alembert betting equal on all repeaters.
Quote from: boyd30 on Feb 25, 10:26 AM 2018
Is this how you play jekhb76?
Ex.
3
3 now 1 unit on no 3
2
2 now 2 units on no 2; 2 units on no 3
...or when do you raise the chips?
Yes, that's correct.
Until one hits, then you remove the number that has hit and Lower the rest with one chip and continue or stop when in profit and start over or call it a day.
Ok thanks, think I got it now. Will test and see how it will do.
Good morning folks.
Here's my First adjustion to my System.
We start betting once we have 3 repeaters. I found out that Most of the third hits Comes after 3 repeaters. The rest Will be the same rules.
So you Keep track of All the numbers that come in and when you Have 3 repeaters that are within the 18 spin Window, we start our betting sequence of 3/3/3 and continue.
I have read quite a few threads regarding repeaters and it makes for interesting reading. I think it was Turbo that mentioned somewhere that a number can not repeat unless it has hit once which makes perfect sense.
This statement and your method made me think... What if you follow the wheel?
If on spin one the number to hit is 12 then you play 12 on the next spin. If on spin two the number to hit is 23 then you play 12 and 23 on the next spin. If on spin three the number to hit is 5 then you play 12,23 and 5 on the next spin etc...
If the general feeling is that a repeat is bound to happen hopefully within X amount of spins then you should have a hit hopefully sooner than later?
I haven`t calculated the progression needed to end up in profit or the amount of spins the progression would allow for so maybe someone can come up with a logical betting pattern...
Quote from: ZERO on Feb 26, 02:11 AM 2018
I have read quite a few threads regarding repeaters and it makes for interesting reading. I think it was Turbo that mentioned somewhere that a number can not repeat unless it has hit once which makes perfect sense.
This statement and your method made me think... What if you follow the wheel?
If on spin one the number to hit is 12 then you play 12 on the next spin. If on spin two the number to hit is 23 then you play 12 and 23 on the next spin. If on spin three the number to hit is 5 then you play 12,23 and 5 on the next spin etc...
If the general feeling is that a repeat is bound to happen hopefully within X amount of spins then you should have a hit hopefully sooner than later?
I haven`t calculated the progression needed to end up in profit or the amount of spins the progression would allow for so maybe someone can come up with a logical betting pattern...
Good morning and thank you for you thoughts. I'm Sorry to say that that isn't the way. The way you want to bet is as dangerous as it can be. Because of the simple fact that you are betting against unique numbers. As you know it can go as High as 27+ spins Without a repeater, there is No progression in the world that can cover that kind of sequence from Hell. Sure you can get Lucky a few times and hit a repeater early on, but after spin 8 All spins are doomed for your bankroll, and the progression you Have to make is too High for Table limits at some Point and it doesn't give Back the profit to be happy about. I also read most if not All of turbo's threats on All forums, and i can honostly say that he doesn't bet like that. He starts if i'm Right once a number has repeaters not sooner. Sorry. But thanks for your input.
OK thanks, I will give your "waiting for 3 repeaters" method a try :thumbsup:
ive been having awesome results using the original method........but applying them to splits.........and using a 9 spin window.........have not encountered a session loss.........hate to do something different jekhb76........
i play kinda exactly the same thing on the repeaters but instead of putting an extra unit when a new repeater appears i play for each number it's own 1number progression up to 3numbers at a time. then the bets won't go so high with this system. 35-1u , 18-2u , 12-3u etc... i can make 25 to 50 units a day with just playing with 0.10cents
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 26, 07:14 AM 2018
ive been having awesome results using the original method........but applying them to splits.........and using a 9 spin window.........have not encountered a session loss.........hate to do something different jekhb76........
That's great to hear! But i Have a question; how do you play split as a repeater? Because a split can be played in many Different ways and with many Different number combo's.
How do you determine wich number to bet? And do you wait until Both numbers of a split repeaters or one of the split numbers and how do you place them?
Example:
Number 20 hits for the second Time in 9 spins, do you place a chip on 20/21,
19/20, 17,20 or 20/23 ???? There are so many combo's possible. Can you put a sample play up? Thnx. Maybe your method is better then Mine. And maybe splits is the way to play is method.
Quote from: Belgiangambler on Feb 26, 07:46 AM 2018
i play kinda exactly the same thing on the repeaters but instead of putting an extra unit when a new repeater appears i play for each number it's own 1number progression up to 3numbers at a time. then the bets won't go so high with this system. 35-1u , 18-2u , 12-3u etc... i can make 25 to 50 units a day with just playing with 0.10cents
Can you put a sample up. Thnx.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 26, 07:47 AM 2018
Can you put a sample up. Thnx.
let's say first reapeater is 30 then you start with a unit on 30 and start the progression like normally
30--0,10c for 35 times
after 10 spins or so a new nuber qualifies let's say 15
nr 30 would be already on it's 10th spin from it's own progression
nr15 will start with it
if after 35 spins nr 30 didn't drop it goes to 0,20cents for 18 spins while 15 stays in it's own progression on 0,10cents and so on
im very old school will try ..........always bet in a 9 spin window (rolling) as soon as a split repeats ....even before 9 spins place a unit on it......and continue tracking....if another split repeats now place 2units on each repeater and continue to do this........so you always have as many units on each split as you have qualifying splits to bet......when you get a hit you stop betting the split that hit you remove 1 chip from the others........if you are not at a new bankroll high continue playing in the same manner(see tweak)........if you are at a new high...... remove all bets look at the last 9 spins if repeaters bet them according to rules if not keep tracking......i added a tweak.........if we get a win and still not at new bankroll high i add 1 unit to all splits and continue.........
using all natural splis 0/00 1/4 2/5 so there 19 different splits.....get it
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 26, 08:05 AM 2018
using all natural splis 0/00 1/4 2/5 so there 19 different splits.....get it
Thanks for sharing, Will Have a go at it. :thumbsup:
remember this......anytime you get a win......i only drop the number from betting only if it did not repeat in the 9 spin window......if it is repeat again in 9 spins i play it again.......after each win always play repeaters in last 9 spins
like turbo says 2repeat turns to 3 ...3 turns to 4.........on and on and on
by number i mean split sorry .....just want to help
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 26, 10:56 AM 2018
like turbo says 2repeat turns to 3 ...3 turns to 4.........on and on and on
Yes, when a split hit i remove the split from the board and add it again when one of the split numbers hits again within 9 spins. Otherwise you Have too many splits at some Point. Or we can Keep it and like you said remove it only when No other number from that split was hit in the past 9 spins. In that case, should i still reduce one chip on All numbers as well?
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 26, 10:55 AM 2018
remember this......anytime you get a win......i only drop the number from betting only if it did not repeat in the 9 spin window......if it is repeat again in 9 spins i play it again.......after each win always play repeaters in last 9 spins
Yes but what do we do when we have 5 split bets and let's say #5 was hit and we were not at a new High and #2 did hit 6 spins ago, we then need to keep slipt 2/5 on board. And we raise All by one, so that we then Have 5 splits with six units in them, then a split falls again later on but we are not at a new High, we then Have to raise 1 unit on All, so now we remove the hit split, when then Have 4 splits with 6 units on them. But what do we do next when a new repeater Comes along, we have then 5 splits with 6 units is that right? So No matter how many splits, Always the same amount of units on All, or do we reduce it to the number of splits? I know i ramble alot sorry :question:
its quite simple..... lets say we have 3 splits we are betting on.....we get a hit and win BUT we are on a bankroll low.....clear all bets....look at the last 9 spins.....you notice only 2 splits repeat more then once.....so 2splits to bet 2units on each plus 1 more unit on each because not at new high.......some spins later get another hit.....clear bets look 9 spins back only 1 reapeater with 2 or more hits and still not a new high.....1 repeater to bet so 1unit this is the second time a hit not at a new high so add 2 units......hope its clear......been working so smooth
when you win and at new high .....just look 9 spins back any repeats more then a 1 show.... bet as many units as splits to bet.......easy peasy....
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 26, 05:08 PM 2018
when you win and at new high .....just look 9 spins back any repeats more then a 1 show.... bet as many units as splits to bet.......easy peasy....
Thanks, had some good results so far. What is the bankroll you are using for this?
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 26, 05:08 PM 2018
when you win and at new high .....just look 9 spins back any repeats more then a 1 show.... bet as many units as splits to bet.......easy peasy....
You also say that we need to bet the amount of chips there are splits in play when a new split Comes is. But if it is the second Time we have cleared All our bets and we now play 1 split, the one split now gets 3 units on it Right? But now a second split Comes into play, that one needs 2 units because there are two splits in play, but on the First we have 3 units and the second now 2 units. Is this Right? So it doesn't Have to be the same amount on each split? Thanks.
Must two numbers of a split hit two times in 9 spins hit? I mean if for example you gonna bet on split 1/4 both the numbers hit two times in 9 spins.
no no .......treat each split as one.....19 splits american wheel..... so here is how i keep track i treat each split ........
0..1..2..3..7..8..9..13.. 14..15..19..20..21..25..26..27..31..32..33......there you go same as 38 numbers ...so if 4 shows up thats 1also ....i hope you get it....
keep it simple.......track 9 spins(rolling).......if any split repeats bet it 1unit.....if another hit in the 9 spin window bet it ...now 2bets 2units.......another split hit in 9 spin window now 3 splits bet 3units......now we get a hit ......clear bets look at bankroll balance if new high....look at your 9 spin window if any split or more then one split repeats bet accordingly......i repeat 1 unit ...2 repeat 2units on each......no repeat keep tracking.......NOW......IF WE GET A WIN AND ARE NOT AT A NEW BANKROLL HIGH...add 1 unit to each repeat.......if you get another win still no bankroll high add 2 units to the split repeater......so as many repeaters in a 9 spin window is how many units are on each split....plus every time we hit and are not a new bankroll high add those number of attempts to each of the splits you bet.........i hope were clear now.......
remember the wheel knows nothing......all those numbers are just spots on the wheel...ive had alot of luck with this .......i hope all of you can do the same
We also need a stop/loss for this method. Last session i played, didn't recover, only dragged me into the pit deeper and deeper. Was at the Point were i was betting 9 splits at a Time and was down over 500u ! Now according to the original rules, you must clear the All bets and search for how many repeaters you Have in the last 9 spins, i had two.... So i would now be betting 2 splits with 2+1 units on them, when hit it won't give me a new High for a very very long time. I had to quit much sooner. I think that Clearing all the bets, isn't the best solution for this, because we need More hits in a sort periode of Time. So my original rules, to Just drop the hit number (split) and Keep the rest with a unit raise, is much safer in gues, only it will cost More. But you Will be out the dnager zone much sooner. Will test my original System with splits. But use the 9 spin Window. Let you All know.
Just try it with the number progression. Much more safer
Just by playing my original method.
Only this time i raise when a new repeat comes in last 18 spins and when a repeat hit and i'm not at a new high, i raise all with one chip. everytime now a new repeater comes in to play i give it the same value as the rest. so you can have 6 numbers with 15 units on them, but it will hit hard when it does.
1unit starting bet.
Quote from: Belgiangambler on Feb 27, 12:58 PM 2018
Just try it with the number progression. Much more safer
I did try, but it is a real grind at times, for a few bucks. Maybe expand the max numbers bet?
Hi Jerkh .....
What BR i need to play with $1 chip
Thanks
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 27, 06:29 AM 2018
no no .......treat each split as one.....19 splits american wheel..... so here is how i keep track i treat each split ........
0..1..2..3..7..8..9..13.. 14..15..19..20..21..25..26..27..31..32..33......there you go same as 38 numbers ...so if 4 shows up thats 1also ....i hope you get it....
Thanks, got it. The only problem is to keep track of the spins. With single number it was easy with the RX program. Splits have many more combinations.
Good morning friends.
I MAY HAVE FOUND THE SOLUTION TO TURBO'S METHOD (REPEATERS)!
I've played around 50 sessions last night and not lost one of them, this was on the roulette simulaties site. Only problem i can't show you my sessions from yesterday as i did not played rated :question: But as Time permits today i Will do it again and show you my results.
It involves every repeater played and with turbo's 1/5/25 progression. In those 50 sessions my biggest drawdown was 1300 or so and Always came out possitive with at least 35 units, but Most of the Time much More.
And All of the sessions were over before spin 100.
I'm very exited to show you All my playing style. Don't know if Turbo Will react to this, but we'll See. Have a great day folks, met you know a.s.a.p.
Just did a quick 10 session play (10/10) All won and all done before spin 40. rest will follow later, because i need to go to work.
stay tuned.
great work jekhb76..........cannot wait to see what you have uncovered.......may this be played with splits??/
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 28, 07:29 AM 2018
great work jekhb76..........cannot wait to see what you have uncovered.......may this be played with splits??/
Hi, i Have a Break now at work so i wil try to explaining it in a simple abc. And Yes you can also play it with repeaters, but i prefer Straight up because of the payout.
Well one thing we should Keep in mind is that we need to keep it as simple as possible.
As you All know, and Turbo has stated this many Times before; as Long as there are repeaters, you can't loose. And 1s Will be come 2s and 3s Will become 4s etc etc etc. Forgetting about the 1s, we will never play them, because as Long as they remain 1s they are cold numbers and you All know that you can Have as much as 27 + unique numbers in a row before a hit. I know that it won't happen often, but the Times that it will happen it will destroy your bankroll and i don't wanna get myself ever in such a possition.
Now another important thing is to never raise any bets only when a number hits, this is possible, but also not Always. I Will explaining that in a moment.
Also forget about a 9 or 18 spin Window, this isn't important. That's important is to make sure that we only betting numbers that Have shown More then they should Have.
So everytime a number Comes in in a 37 spin cycle, we look if it allready did that once in that cycle. When it did, we start our betting proces by playing 1 unit on that number.
So let's say you Have the next sequence:
3,24,8,6,21,3 3 is our number, so far clear Right? Now everytime a new number repeaters we look if it has repeaters within his 37 cycle and then bet that number also with 1 unit! So not raising All by one, we remain everything with 1 unit. So it's possible to have 3,4,5 or More numbers in play with only 1 unit on them. Next when one of our nunbers hits, we look if we at a new High, if we do, we remove All bets and start fresh by tracking new numbers within a 37 spin cycle. When we are not a new High when one of our numbers has hit, we look if that number did return for the second Time in the last 37 spins. If it did, we then raise that number to 5 chips (only that number - rest Staying the same) and continue the progress and Keep on Spinning. This Will be repeaters with every number that hit. When a new number needs to be bet, we only put 1 chip on it. Next up, when a number hits again within 37 spins and we have 5 units on it and not at a new High, we then Move our number to it's final stage and raise it to 25 chips. The rest of the numbers stays the same ofcourse. And we continue. When our 25 bet number does hit again and your not at a new High (is possible) we then remove that number from our board, this to keep our bets at a normal level. But when it was hit again within the last 37 spins we put it Back up but only with 1 unit again. Everytime a number hits we look at our 37 spin cycle, not a returning number we remove that number. A returning number Will be raised according to the 1/5/25 progression. I know that we will need a big bankroll for this. Min 2000 units maybe More, but it has not yet busted in More then 60 sessions played. This because of the removal sequence we are aplying. Don't be scared to play a session where there are. Few 25 betting numbers in play, Just keep playing according to my (turbo's) rules and you Will Always win, or like Turbo said; as Long as there are repeaters and as Long you Keep in mind that 1s Will become 2s and 2s Will Always Will become 3s you Will never loose again.
Have fun by testing. If you Have any questions. Feel free to aks - Eddy
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 28, 08:36 AM 2018
Hi, i Have a Break now at work so i wil try to explaining it in a simple abc. And Yes you can also play it with repeaters, but i prefer Straight up because of the payout.
Well one thing we should Keep in mind is that we need to keep it as simple as possible.
As you All know, and Turbo has stated this many Times before; as Long as there are repeaters, you can't loose. And 1s Will be come 2s and 3s Will become 4s etc etc etc. Forgetting about the 1s, we will never play them, because as Long as they remain 1s they are cold numbers and you All know that you can Have as much as 27 + unique numbers in a row before a hit. I know that it won't happen often, but the Times that it will happen it will destroy your bankroll and i don't wanna get myself ever in such a possition.
Now another important thing is to never raise any bets only when a number hits, this is possible, but also not Always. I Will explaining that in a moment.
Also forget about a 9 or 18 spin Window, this isn't important. That's important is to make sure that we only betting numbers that Have shown More then they should Have.
So everytime a number Comes in in a 37 spin cycle, we look if it allready did that once in that cycle. When it did, we start our betting proces by playing 1 unit on that number.
So let's say you Have the next sequence:
3,24,8,6,21,3 3 is our number, so far clear Right? Now everytime a new number repeaters we look if it has repeaters within his 37 cycle and then bet that number also with 1 unit! So not raising All by one, we remain everything with 1 unit. So it's possible to have 3,4,5 or More numbers in play with only 1 unit on them. Next when one of our nunbers hits, we look if we at a new High, if we do, we remove All bets and start fresh by tracking new numbers within a 37 spin cycle. When we are not a new High when one of our numbers has hit, we look if that number did return for the second Time in the last 37 spins. If it did, we then raise that number to 5 chips (only that number - rest Staying the same) and continue the progress and Keep on Spinning. This Will be repeaters with every number that hit. When a new number needs to be bet, we only put 1 chip on it. Next up, when a number hits again within 37 spins and we have 5 units on it and not at a new High, we then Move our number to it's final stage and raise it to 25 chips. The rest of the numbers stays the same ofcourse. And we continue. When our 25 bet number does hit again and your not at a new High (is possible) we then remove that number from our board, this to keep our bets at a normal level. But when it was hit again within the last 37 spins we put it Back up but only with 1 unit again. Everytime a number hits we look at our 37 spin cycle, not a returning number we remove that number. A returning number Will be raised according to the 1/5/25 progression. I know that we will need a big bankroll for this. Min 2000 units maybe More, but it has not yet busted in More then 60 sessions played. This because of the removal sequence we are aplying. Don't be scared to play a session where there are. Few 25 betting numbers in play, Just keep playing according to my (turbo's) rules and you Will Always win, or like Turbo said; as Long as there are repeaters and as Long you Keep in mind that 1s Will become 2s and 2s Will Always Will become 3s you Will never loose again.
Have fun by testing. If you Have any questions. Feel free to aks - Eddy
jekhb Excellent, the down fall is bankroll needed. Those that get 25 units can deplete your BR quick. Turbo said 3000 at roulette sim was to small and hinders his play, otherwise he'd beaten Wiggy to top spot.
Yes like you say wait for a # to go R1 and bet every spin, the ? you have to ask your self is what progression do i use.
I like where you say soon as profit made, reset, why carry on to get say 700+ where you risk more units, just take the 1st profit and build your bank roll
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 28, 09:49 AM 2018
jekhb Excellent, the down fall is bankroll needed. Those that get 25 units can deplete your BR quick. Turbo said 3000 at roulette sim was to small and hinders his play, otherwise he'd beaten Wiggy to top spot.
Yes like you say wait for a # to go R1 and bet every spin, the ? you have to ask your self is what progression do i use.
I like where you say soon as profit made, reset, why carry on to get say 700+ where you risk more units, just take the 1st profit and build your bank roll
Thanks, yes crossed my mind also, but so far 3000 units holding up quite well, with my cancelation system. if you keep strict to the rules on that, you won't have many 25s on your board. the most i have encounterd where 7, and then i still ended up in profit. because you can expect a grouping on these 25s to hit short after eachtother. with 2 or 3 hits on these within a few spins, your back in plus again, even when as far behind as 2000+ units. i've been there, and recoverd everytime, but i kept the cancelation rules strict. And like you said, stop everytime when a new profit is reached and start fresh. even when we have 12 or so 25e on our board within a few hits, you still recover, you only need to know wich ones to keep and wich ones to delete. that's why my cancelation system is so important.
My quess is that when you Have a bankroll of 5000 units, my method should rarely fail, and when it does your bankroll is so High that you can take that loss. You Just Have to split the profit in 2. Ex. If you win 100 units at a session, you use 50 units for your bankroll growth and 50 units you put into your Pocket. 5000 units seems like alot but remember that you don't Have to bet â,¬1 chips. Then you need 5000 euro. You can also use 0.10 chips or 0.01 chips. Then you only need 50 euro or 500 euro for 5000 units. And when you Have a trusted RNG online casino, it's gashing with this System. I play for almost 5 years now on the same online casino when i don't Have the Time to go to a BM one, and i never ever had any problems, with winnings or payouts. But there aren't that many. I prefer bm casino's but when i'm in bed and want to spin for a few Bucks it's ideal. Even on the toilet. :wink:
Just take 100 Bucks and play with 0.01 cent on a trusted online casino. That's a bank of 10.000 units!! Trust me, it won't fail. What do you Have to loose? 100 Bucks. Not a bad deal to play this System with a very High winrate if you ask me.
A question. Do you bet one number more than 37 spins or abandon that number if no hit?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 28, 11:16 AM 2018
Just take 100 Bucks and play with 0.01 cent on a trusted online casino. That's a bank of 10.000 units!! Trust me, it won't fail. What do you Have to loose? 100 Bucks. Not a bad deal to play this System with a very High winrate if you ask me.
Where do you have a trusted casino with 0,01 live roulette ? In what world do you live in ?
They do have a penny table .01 at William hill casino
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 28, 12:04 PM 2018
Where do you have a trusted casino with 0,01 live roulette ? In what world do you live in ?
In a world where as Long the game produces Random numbers it can't loose. And there isn't a casino in the world Who has 0.01 cent live tables, but there are some Who Have RNG tables with 0.01 - 300 euro tables/games. I know what you are all thinking but after many years playing there i never had the feeling or noticed that the RNG Table was rigged of some sort. Always played my systems with much succes there. And the payouts where Always in my bank account within 1-3 workdays. So Yeah i know what i'm talking about. I also burned my hands many Times on rigged RNG and online casino's as well, William Hill is one of them. Mostly i play at a BM casino nearby, but sometimes when i don't Have much Time i go to my online casino and play their RNG. And with over 5 years playing there and with More then 5000 on oayouts, i Will continue to do so. When i Have the feeling that it ain't Fair anymore, i'm the First one to quit playing there. But like i said, they payed me many Bucks over the last few years. And as Long as the game is producing Random numbers i can't loose.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 28, 12:08 PM 2018
They do have a penny table .01 at William hill casino
That is one i would avoid if i were you.
Live with dealer???
You guys, when you learn that RNG is rigged?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 28, 03:19 PM 2018
Live with dealer???
You guys, when you learn that RNG is rigged?
Not to be a Smart ass, but if Mine is rigged, please Let it stay that way :twisted:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 28, 04:42 PM 2018Not to be a Smart ass, but if Mine is rigged, please Let it stay that way
The RNG will suck you dry!
"Never-ever-until-your-death" believe in Casino's RNG...
I studied software engineering and i know well that RNG's seed can be easily manipulated... got it?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 28, 04:49 PM 2018
The RNG will suck you dry!
"Never-ever-until-your-death" believe in Casino's RNG...
I studied software engineering and i know well that RNG's seed can be easily manipulated... got it?
Got it.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 28, 04:51 PM 2018I studied software engineering and i know well that RNG's seed can be easily manipulated... got it?
Perfectus, i wish you all the luck.
Listen to me i just wanna advice you, there is no way to beat RNG, because it's random and it's manipualted.
You can beat physical wheel but no RNG..
If you doubt or not believe me, ask the owner of this forum, if he says otherwise i will give you 100$
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 28, 04:53 PM 2018
Perfectus, i wish you all the luck.
Listen to me i just wanna advice you, there is no way to beat RNG, because it's random and it's manipualted.
You can beat physical wheel but no RNG..
If you doubt or not believe me, ask the owner of this forum, if he says otherwise i will give you 100$
I believe you. I Just had extreme luck then All these years. Well Most of the Time i'm in a bm only so No Harm done.
This is just for the heck of it.
Should we bet repeaters, unhits, until when? Who's right, who's wrong?
The following charts are just observation. No point of view. They represent, not how many repeaters in the last x spins, but rather how many of them within the last x spins repeated within their previous x spins. Capisci?
So sometimes many of the numbers were repeaters, other times, a lot less. We could have for example, in the last 12 spins, 4 numbers that repeated in their last 12 spins.
Depending on the spin window, max and min values vary.
Could it be worth betting on repeaters when the trends reaches a low value, hoping repeaters will increase, or betting unhits when at ¨peak¨-repeaters, or following trend? Which trigger to use? Average? Threshold value?
I'm just saying...
Jekhb76, your approach will eventualy force a too large bet with too many numbers when the 2peaters dont hit. Removing the bet once it hits beyond the 37 spin cycle could be done otherwise: check the gap distance and bet it for the remaining spins to complete its 37 spin cycle. So if a 2peater hits 17 spins later than its first show, then bet it for the remaining 20 spins. This will however need more calculations and is not what Turbo is doing.
It fits in the idea that each spin has its own 37 spin cycle all continuous overlapping the next ones. Something that can be argued since we supposedly are sticking to one cycle that has a clear entry point.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 28, 09:45 PM 2018
So sometimes many of the numbers were repeaters, other times, a lot less.
Depending on the spin window, max and min values vary.
Your above two sentences (that I have excerpted from your post and highlighted here) pretty much encapsulate the fundamental problem of the repeaters method -- and why it is so immensely difficult to come up with a method that will consistently wring profits from betting on them.
Good job ! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thanks,
and thanks to Excel... Einstein might have found the God formula if he had had Excel...
Here are some results of all 5000 spins:
18 spin window, so how many of the last 18 nrs were repeaters in their 18 spins window.
Max value: 13
Min value: 2
Median/Average: 7/7.002
15 spin window:
Min: 0
Max: 10
Median/Av: 5/5.04
12 spins window:
Min: 0
Max:9
Med/Av: 3/3.40
24 spins window:
Min: 3
Max:15
Med/Av:9/9.33
27 spins window:
Min:6
Max:19
Med/av:12/12.51
So for sure, if I'd consider a 24 spin window and saw that only 3 of the last 24nrs were repeaters, I'd say more are to come. Also, if there are 19 of the last 24 that were repeaters, I'd say it is saturated and would bet accordingly, betting on unhits. These are extremes, of course, but I guess floor and top values could be determined.
Graph of the 24 spins window, 5000 spins, and 1000. So floor at 6 and top at 14 for triggers is not bad for 24-window.
@Bigroben....your graphs looks like a jigsaw....which is just fine....stop on a peak and cash in :thumbsup:
Hi Ben
Hope you don't mind me adding to an old thread. Your graphs are truly mind-boggling! Just trying to get my head around them. Does the 1st set (4 graphs) represent the same thing as the 2nd set (2 graphs)?
To make it simple for me, are you just saying, for example - take a look at the last 24 spins, you probably won't see less than 3 repeats or more than 15?
Also why do the graphs zig-zag, and not start at zero?
I reckon you might be on to something with this!
I reckon, I just threw them there without explanation really...
Ok, let's take the one called Repeater15. This chart represents: in the last 15 spins, how many numbers took 15 spins or less before to repeat?
If, say, the value at spin 41 is 2. We know that the average for this ''time frame'' is 5. One can expect a repeater to hit soon.
I don't know yet which ''timeframe'' is the best to use: is it 12, 15, 18, 24, 37 spins? I produced them only for curiosity and some brainstorming. Thought I could share them. I wanted to see also if there would have been a regular ''wave length'' with repeaters.
It is just matter for reflexion. If , say, with 24 spins one gets on average 18 nr to use and manages to see when to bet for repeaters and when repeaters are saturated, this is a good start.
For Daveylibra.
Do whatever you want with it! If you find a way to win with it, please share!
JEKHB76
i have a new angle with your beloved repeaters for you to test ( i don't have the time for it).
when a repeater drops put a unit on it
after 3 spins put an extra unit on it and so on and on
do this with every repeater you come across
at a new high start again, if not delete the dropped number and continue with the rest of them
Quote from: Belgiangambler on Mar 30, 06:42 PM 2018
JEKHB76
i have a new angle with your beloved repeaters for you to test ( i don't have the time for it).
when a repeater drops put a unit on it
after 3 spins put an extra unit on it and so on and on
do this with every repeater you come across
at a new high start again, if not delete the dropped number and continue with the rest of them
Hi,
I have tested this method in the past, with different results.
You can be lucky form a great deal of time, when the repeaters hit early in the game. But when they don't you are in big trouble. I've had more losses then winning with this, so for me it is a no go.
But thanks for your input.
Ok, so this is a variation on the same theme as we've been buzzing with lately.
I've been thinking about safe ways to ride through tuff rides of unhits, when betting on hit nrs. One notices that repeaters tend to come in bunches, especially when there are more numbers that have chips on.
With the approach of including the new unhit in our pool of nrs, one would think indeed repeaters will come in bunches eventually. We do not know exactly when, but there will be a time. So, this is point nr.1.
Point nr.2: we do not know when 2 or more hits come in batches. Nor do we know when 1 hit will come. What would make sense would be to bet the least when no hit and the most on a hit. Sure, but we don't know.
So here's the deal.
Let's suppose the following situation with an agressive (+1 per loss) progression( amount of nrs betted on is not relevant here), with reset at new high:
L L L L L L L L L L W L L L W L W W New high
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 10 11 12 13 12 13 12
This represents a big dip before a new high. It works, but dangerous and vulnerable.
Another way, with steady betting (steady, +1 after loss following a win if no new high):
L L L L L L L L L L W L L L W L W W New high
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3
This is better. Still exposed to long unhit runs. Not as big a dip and new high anyways.
The third way, a safest way, I'd say. ''Cruising'' bet is 1. The bet will change after the first win to go to the ''supposed'' progression, and going back to 1 after a loss.
L L L L L L L L L L W L L L W L W W New high
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 3
Cons: -missing hits with higher stakes, losing with the high bet, if L1 W1 L1 W1 L2 W1 L3 W1 L4.
-could take longer to recover.
Pros: No exponentially steepening downward curve. Lesser br needed.
This method is better used with many nrs to start with. It would be risky to start with one and wish for repeaters back to back early, although it can happen.
I've tried with the nrs from last spin until last repeater with some success ( see waitforhitprog). A good example of recovery in the end. Was crazy and frustrating but it came back.
Tried also with 18 nrs and it shows good, excellent preliminary results. It's a win on first spin half the time, never got past 3u on nrs yet, since so many nrs: often a strike of repeaters. I think I will pursue in this direction.
So:
1. Take last 18 nrs (not spins);
2. bet 1u on each;
3. Win: back to 1;
4. Lose: add new nr and spin, again until win;
5. When win, respin until new high or loss.
6. If loss, add new nr. Add and spin until win.
7. Win: add corresponding progression units on nrs and spin until new high or loss.
8. Loss: back to step 6.
I'll keep updated.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 31, 11:49 PM 2018
Ok, so this is a variation on the same theme as we've been buzzing with lately.
I've been thinking about safe ways to ride through tuff rides of unhits, when betting on hit nrs. One notices that repeaters tend to come in bunches, especially when there are more numbers that have chips on.
With the approach of including the new unhit in our pool of nrs, one would think indeed repeaters will come in bunches eventually. We do not know exactly when, but there will be a time. So, this is point nr.1.
Point nr.2: we do not know when 2 or more hits come in batches. Nor do we know when 1 hit will come. What would make sense would be to bet the least when no hit and the most on a hit. Sure, but we don't know.
So here's the deal.
Let's suppose the following situation with an agressive (+1 per loss) progression( amount of nrs betted on is not relevant here), with reset at new high:
L L L L L L L L L L W L L L W L W W New high
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 10 11 12 13 12 13 12
This represents a big dip before a new high. It works, but dangerous and vulnerable.
Another way, with steady betting (steady, +1 after loss following a win if no new high):
L L L L L L L L L L W L L L W L W W New high
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3
This is better. Still exposed to long unhit runs. Not as big a dip and new high anyways.
The third way, a safest way, I'd say. ''Cruising'' bet is 1. The bet will change after the first win to go to the ''supposed'' progression, and going back to 1 after a loss.
L L L L L L L L L L W L L L W L W W New high
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 3
Cons: -missing hits with higher stakes, losing with the high bet, if L1 W1 L1 W1 L2 W1 L3 W1 L4.
-could take longer to recover.
Pros: No exponentially steepening downward curve. Lesser br needed.
This method is better used with many nrs to start with. It would be risky to start with one and wish for repeaters back to back early, although it can happen.
I've tried with the nrs from last spin until last repeater with some success ( see waitforhitprog). A good example of recovery in the end. Was crazy and frustrating but it came back.
Tried also with 18 nrs and it shows good, excellent preliminary results. It's a win on first spin half the time, never got past 3u on nrs yet, since so many nrs: often a strike of repeaters. I think I will pursue in this direction.
So:
1. Take last 18 nrs (not spins);
2. bet 1u on each;
3. Win: back to 1;
4. Lose: add new nr and spin, again until win;
5. When win, respin until new high or loss.
6. If loss, add new nr. Add and spin until win.
7. Win: add corresponding progression units on nrs and spin until new high or loss.
8. Loss: back to step 6.
I'll keep updated.
Nice approach, but More testing is needed.
System rather ok, some stop-loss to be worked on.
I'll keep on testing.
Hi BigBroBen and thanks for the above.
This idea is very interesting, but I've started a new thread you might find of interest too
called "Turbo's Repeaters Simulation" which is more pessimistic.