My thread is locked. Is there any reason behind that?
And ur bias behavior is on face. U keep ur mouth shut while people r on abusive language but throw a warning to people saying truth on someones report.
Steve get the answer plz with proper explanation
I didn't lock it. Threads are very rarely locked. Which mod locked it and why?
Mods don't read every post. Problems must be reported for us to know. Sometimes we see only one side and take action. That's not bias. It's not having all information. Can you be more specific about the problem?
Ps bad language is allowed. It depends on context. Ie no trolling.
If you give a precise example of something you don't agree with ill give more info. As for thread locking, again that's very rare. I'll check the logs to see who locked and ask why.
Ok lets sort out one by one.
First why the thread is locked?
Ok I checked the log. It was locked by Colbster. I have no idea why, maybe they can answer your question. Either way, thread locking should very rarely be done. It should only be done if things really get out of hand and the thread needs to be locked for the good of mankind.
I've unlocked the thread.
I'll contact Colbster directly to clarify some issues.
Madi, ok I talked to Colbster and he said the reason was because, and I quote, "He's a c*nt, that's why"
(yes i'm kidding. I dont know is reason yet)
Ok thats fine. Can u get him to answer that. Or i can ask
@ colbster
What is the reason ur eye was in my thread and why its locked?
Quote from: Madi on Jan 09, 06:13 PM 2018
And ur bias behavior is on face. U keep ur mouth shut while people r on abusive language but throw a warning to people saying truth on someones report.
Thx Madi. Your alright in my book. Straight up and not taking shit :thumbsup:
I guess insulting me is ok but if i try to help its not. Whatever. F*ck that schizo. :ooh:
Denzie if you think something is unfair just report it. Mods don't read and see everything.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 10, 03:22 PM 2018
Mods don't read and see everything.
As my parents told me when i was very young....if you dont know what you are talking about then shut up. Or ask the right questions first and then comment.
Anyway moving on.... :thumbsup:
That was reported and the only action taken was to delete that comment.
And i can see a soft warning from u on denzie for what actually? May b after a report but whats that for?
Bad language is allowed on context as u said. I got some in my thread. Plz what was the context in that thread. U dont need to read all just one thread not many pages.
Anyway i am really encouraged. My mouth is also in top of the range if really needed.but thats not the way.
I dont know what you are referring to. Often when people report something, they give very general information such as "this guy is annoying me". But what we need is specific examples and direct links to the exact posts. We just dont have time to read through every thing written from each person, then compare who is right or wrong. It is better just give the actual example that bothers you when complaining. Anyone who has been around forums enough, and has a brain, knows I'm reasonable and fair.
“ suck my asshole and fuck youâ€â€ that was the thing. While u or mod deleted the comment how do i send the link?
Denzie, please stop busting Andre's balls. You dont have to agree with or like anyone, but please stop the snide comments towards him.
Whats the reason?
e from: Andre Chass on Yesterday at 05:50 PM
Ok, the premise is that we dont need to and we will not win every cycle
This in the only smart thing you ever posted here!
Thats reason i got from there and what he said is very true. Any other reason?
1. Again we dont see everything. But from what I saw, you and Denzie were busting Andre's balls. I mean you can disagree with someone or think they're full of shit, and that's your opinion. But there's a limit to how much ball busting you can do. At some point you just need to leave them be.
2. Andre had enough and flipped out. He was banned temporarily and posts removed. He knew his mistake and apologized, and everything was peachy again. I contacted him privately and explained he needed to chill, and that simply if anyone was giving him and undue hard time to just report it, then I'll politely ask any offending member to relax a bit too. And that's why I asked Denzie to ease off Andre's balls.
3. From what I saw, Colbster over-moderated and I've explained to use moderation only sparingly. He hasnt responded yet.
Basically my aim is to allow free speech, but not tolerating trolling or ball-busting. So we have an open place where you can say anything you want without being moderated, provided it isnt plain making a nuisance of yourself to any particular member. A moderator's job is just to protect the balance. Its not to rule over people.
You need rewrite the job description of moderator. There will be no balance betwn good and bad. Only good will survive with the eradication of bad.
Also u need to think about plagiarism and exposure. The difference betwn trolling and real critisizm.
Denzie was 100% right in his comment.trying to block him is a real obstruction of free speech which u r doing.
A well exp player has full right to criticize everytime in any thread when bullshit try to spread without any obstruction. If anyones ball is bursting for the right saying let it be even if u cant digest step down
Quote from: Madi on Jan 10, 09:39 PM 2018You need rewrite the job description of moderator. There will be no balance betwn good and bad. Only good will survive with the eradication of bad.
Actually I think we have a good balance as it is.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 10, 09:39 PM 2018Also u need to think about plagiarism and exposure.
You dont know Andre has copied the system from elsewhere. You know just about every system has already been tried by countless other people. And its no big deal if he got his idea from vls anyway. At the same time, he shouldnt have gotten so riled up. You were just on his case and he flipped. But again he apologized anyway. There are always lots of "should haves", and right now it's lets not waste time on this.
QuoteThe difference between trolling and real criticism.
I understand the difference well. When it gets personal, there's a snide undertone. But you know we all do it to some degree. Its not a big deal. There should just be a limit.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 10, 09:39 PM 2018Denzie was 100% right in his comment.trying to block him is a real obstruction of free speech which u r doing.
No, in my view he was busting balls. It was beyond fair criticism, but only by a little. This is not some huge infringement that shakes the earth. We should just move on.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 10, 09:39 PM 2018A well exp player has full right to criticize everytime in any thread when bullshit try to spread without any obstruction. If anyones ball is bursting for the right saying let it be even if u cant digest step down
Calling someone a "dumbass" as he did is making it personal. If that was his view, saying "you've got no clue" would be a better fit.
Anyway like I said, I'm just trying to keep the balance. We dont need to waste time going in circles. Let's move on.
“Dumbass†actually it is allowed as u said. U shouldnt argue with that.
I need every moderated line back in my thread with a reason why it is moderated.
And blindly copy anyones comment from another thread is also plagiarism. U shouldnt forget.
But again he apologized anyway.
Where and to whom?
Quote from: Madi on Jan 11, 03:18 PM 2018“Dumbass†actually it is allowed as u said. U shouldnt argue with that.
Now it looks like you are being difficult. I dont have time for it. If you call names in a personal way, its not ok. Joking is ok.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 11, 03:18 PM 2018I need every moderated line back in my thread with a reason why it is moderated.
No you just need to read the rules and use common sense and etiquette.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 11, 03:18 PM 2018And blindly copy anyones comment from another thread is also plagiarism. U shouldnt forget.
I had no report of such a thing.
Madi if you have a legitimate complaint, I will address it. But please dont waste time on petty issues. Really I dont have the spare time.
I dont need to complain. I have criticized as he has done it. What was the reason to lock and moderate some post there. Very legitimate question? Everything was there in purpose and on context.i believe ur mod has some spare time to read full thread and he deleted some. That was not deleted without any reading. When u moderate something u need to have answer.
Why this rare event like locking the thread happened to me?
Which rules did u actually apply on me? I am not sure.
andre apologize to whom? To u? Why? R u the boss? Or u r abused?
He straightly call two people fuck u and suck my ass. Where is the action?
His thread full of copy paste. Was that locked?
You will have to ask Colbster. I've already said I see no reason for it.
Andre apologized in general for his over-reaction. The action was temporary banning and the post was deleted.
What's wrong with copy and paste, provided it is in context / relevant? You havent explained what you considered bad about it.
What i considered bad is RB and andre was teaching about piracy while i ask cht ( if cht want)he can open a thread with a variation of andres idea( actually it was stolen and bit midified).
Well they can talk about piracy while they are doing same( i have pasted the blindly copied comment from vls)
Definitely there was a complain to my thread to mod and he did some scissor work. I want to know what was the complain about? And based on what rule he moderated some of the comment?
Everyone is allowed to cut and paste from VLS. There is also no rule prohibiting anyone from ripping off another person's work provided it isnt copyrighted material. Although it is simply ethical to give credit where its due. I don't know if Andre ripped anything off but that's not something I need to deal with. If you think thats what happened, then you can of course say it, bit not constantly hassle the person.
Andre's complaint was that people were getting on his case and following him. You can have your say, but there's a point where you leave it be. Everyone on the forum gets the same treatment to ensure a open but civil forum.
Again I didnt moderate anything. The logs show the only person that did was Colbster. So I cant tell you his reasoning for decision.
Again this is going in circles and wasting time. There's nothing left to argue.
There is left actually. U need to show me where u find some constant hassle from me. I have right to critisize of any system in my thread that u called free speech. Plz come to that thread and write in red line where there was fault. Untill u restore these it means that u were right and i need to know where i have done wrong?
Again I dont know for sure exactly what happened. Again mods dont read everything. Generally when something is reported, we'll have a look at whatever specifically was complained about and decide from there what to do. It could be just a gentle reminder for everyone to chill, or something else.
Why are you wasting both of our time on this?
Let's just leave it at if I see something that goes beyond mere free speech and is an attack on a person, I'll be very specific and let you know. Its the same for any member.
Anyway for now at least Colbster isnt a mod anymore. He hasnt responded explaining why he moderated things I dont think should have been mdoerated. Specifically locking your thread and deleting other content. I think perhaps because he hasnt modded here as long as the others that he wasnt fully aware of our style of moderation.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 11, 08:19 PM 2018
Andre's complaint was that people were getting on his case and following him. You can have your say, but there's a point where you leave it be.
When he say
The fact is
This system win more than lose while everyone knows its clear failure and has been tested long before.
Ofcourse people should get him when he say this word “factâ€.
Which is misleading.
Fact and bullshit two different things.
And what i can see from u steve , everytime when turbo comment u come behind to argue as u believe that he is misleading people with fallacy. U should have stopped actually long before. But u cant
Quote from: Steve on Jan 11, 08:38 PM 2018
Anyway for now at least Colbster isnt a mod anymore. He hasnt responded explaining why he moderated things I dont think should have been mdoerated. Specifically locking your thread and deleting other content. I think perhaps because he hasnt modded here as long as the others that he wasnt fully aware of our style of moderation.
Anyway i am done. Thanks very much. Bye
Madi I already gave examples I saw, from Denzi I think. I already said I dont see a valid reason why your thread was locked. You're beating off a dead horse.
And I never called Turbo a dumbass. I criticize his approach and logic (with clear explanations of the problems), not his personality.
Well i was doing the same critisize the system. If the mod is out i am ok . Not into argument anymore.
Sorry I missed the fireworks. I don't have the time to live on here anymore, as I have started two more businesses since I became a moderator. I didn't realize I wasn't a moderator anymore until I just read it here on this thread, but I had just sent a note to Steve asking to be removed as a moderator. I don't want to waste the precious time I get on here dealing with temper tantrums and irreconcilable egos. I'm here for the roulette, not the drama. As I replied in your other thread, it was simply a mistake on my part. You need to chill, dude. Not everything is about you. This was just a goof and I'm happy to take the heat for being the guy that made it. I'm sorry.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 11, 09:03 PM 2018
Madi I already gave examples I saw, from Denzi I think. I already said I dont see a valid reason why your thread was locked. You're beating off a dead horse.
And I never called Turbo a dumbass. I criticize his approach and logic (with clear explanations of the problems), not his personality.
steve,
You are mostly right with your criticism.
I agree not everything TG posted is math correct.
I agree TG has made contradictory statements.
BUT, TG has given this forum a revolutionary way to look at systems play and specifically at repeaters.
I followed the parts that's revolutionary, sounded like rookish bombastic claims but stayed on the side of the path that is math correct.
Guess what I found ?
A long term viable winning system play that's based on proper logic that stayed within the bounds of math aka holy grail. Not only that it expanded the boundaries of how to look at this roulette game the possibilities are yet unknown.
Based on this fact despite your apprehension towards Parx, as an extension of what I now know I find no reason why TG 's Parx result does not reflect his repeaters gameplay.
Do I say then you are wrong ?
No. You missed the missing part when you come to your conclusions. I can't fault you if you don't know what you don't know.
What I write here is another claim.
Do I want to back it up ?
No, you asked for proof it won't happen. You believe what you want to believe. It's in the realm of belief for everyone since we are dealing with stuff outside of normal knowledge and that remains that way.
I'm no cheerleader, neither will I be a party to false info or claims. Incomplete info is false info.
In TG's case, I stand on the side with complete info that's is math correct.
Quote from: cht on Jan 11, 09:42 PM 2018BUT, TG has given this forum a revolutionary way to look at systems play and specifically at repeaters.
How is it revolutionary? The clues he has given have been enough to piece together what he's saying, and so far everything points towards his approach being misunderstandings and repackaged fallacy.
Quote from: cht on Jan 11, 09:42 PM 2018I followed the parts that's revolutionary, sounded like rookish bombastic claims but stayed on the side of the path that is math correct.
Take one example. From what he says, a number that hits is more likely to hit next. Then he says it isnt. Then he says it is. Then he says the odds dont change. Then he says he beats it with math. The odds arent the math. It's all over the place with contradictions.
Quote from: cht on Jan 11, 09:42 PM 2018Based on this fact despite your apprehension towards Parx, as an extension of what I now know I find no reason why TG 's Parx result does not reflect his repeaters gameplay.
There are huge reasons why Parx is very different. I explained the math in detail before but basically you are almost guaranteed to keep winning if you play relatively often. Its exactly like a casino that gives you free money for showing up.
Here's where the ultimate problem is..... when i ask for a single valid principle to validate the claims, I get clues, which are backwards and contradictory. But if I explain the problem, all I get in return is "you just dont know better". So we end up in a stalemate.
In the end though, I dont buy his claim that he hasnt made a fortune with it for real because he doesnt want to..... but he'll gladly waste weeks playing with play money to show everyone how good his system is. Who has the HG but prefers winning with play money? There are just red flags everywhere even if we ignore the logic and math of his claims.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 11, 09:59 PM 2018
How is it revolutionary? The clues he has given have been enough to piece together what he's saying, and so far everything points towards his approach being misunderstandings and repackaged fallacy.
Take one example. From what he says, a number that hits is more likely to hit next. Then he says it isnt. Then he says it is. Then he says the odds dont change. Then he says he beats it with math. The odds arent the math. It's all over the place with contradictions.
There are huge reasons why Parx is very different. I explained the math in detail before but basically you are almost guaranteed to keep winning if you play relatively often. Its exactly like a casino that gives you free money for showing up.
Here's where the ultimate problem is..... when i ask for a single valid principle to validate the claims, I get clues, which are backwards and contradictory. But if I explain the problem, all I get in return is "you just dont know better". So we end up in a stalemate.
In the end though, I dont buy his claim that he hasnt made a fortune with it for real because he doesnt want to..... but he'll gladly waste weeks playing with play money to show everyone how good his system is. Who has the HG but prefers winning with play money? There are just red flags everywhere even if we ignore the logic and math of his claims.
I don't disagree with how you come to your conclusions. Nothing wrong at all.
"you just dont know better"My guess is he is referring to the parts that he has not shared on forums.
That last bolded para. I agree.
Why should he bother to post so much repeatedly over so many years in so many threads about some thing he has no intention to reveal ?
I'm off to make real money at b&m casino. I've said my part. Take it which way you want.
Big thank you steve for this forum that's helped me attain my goal.
I agree he shouldn't have to disclose anything. If I had the HG, I wouldn't reveal it myself. But I don't think that's what is happening.
I think he really believed the system worked, based on parx results. And he tried to help people. but as it is now, he realized he made a mistake and doesnt want to appear wrong.
Do you believe he would rather spend weeks on a rigged game with play money than winning real money? That's just one point. There are many others like the when he is asked to explain a contradiction, we get the same response like "you dont know better and I'm not telling".
Maybe thats true. But every indication is its as I think it is.
Anyway if i'm wrong, I hope you and him win lots really.
Nevermind I misread what you wrote. So we can leave it I really hope i'm wrong and you both win lots.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 11, 09:59 PM 2018There are huge reasons why Parx is very different. I explained the math in detail before but basically you are almost guaranteed to keep winning if you play relatively often. Its exactly like a casino that gives you free money for showing up.
This is one of the "going around in circles" points.
A) I go to the casino and bring 2k for a banrkoll
B) I log into Parx and receive a daily log-in bonus of 2k (example) to play with.
There is no difference whatsoever.
No bonus points or credits (or even slot machine wins or competition wins, etc)
are counted towards the leaderboard - only profit - yet I climbed it over months of play
and ranked at the top and stayed there until I decided not to.
With millions in winnings - if it were truly fixed - there is NO way I could have
lost it, no matter how hard I tried. If something is "rigged", it doesn't know my
intentions. When I wanted to win, I won - when I wanted to lose, I lost.
A leaderboard would also be useless in a rigged game - everyone who wanted to
would rank in the top 10 every week without effort. This isn't the case, feel free
to have a go at it lol.
I have every spin, nothing shows up as irregular when plugged into RX so the spins
can be analyzed - no problem with the rng not being realistic.
So bringing a bankroll vs the site giving someone a bankroll is equal.
The game is a fair game and the RNG isn't "rigged or fixed".
So there's no point in trying to say that anyone who wants to can win - surely this isn't the case, everyone is free to try and do the same.
There should be at least 5 posters who can go there and try and then report back "Yes, I'm ranked #1 and it was easy !" but that won't happen.
So you're free to discount the results as being rigged or in favor of the player (which is odd because they "sell" credits (and not cheap I might add) - so it's in their interest for people to lose, and most people do lose - because it's no different than being in the casino with your own bankroll that you brought. More money doesn't magically appear if you lose lol.
You can come back the next day and try again - just like you can go to the casino and try again tomorrow with a fresh bankroll.
But you won't rank on the leaderboard - you'll need to show profit. That 2k from yesterday you lost makes you -2k, etc etc. It's not like you magically start fresh every time you try.
Is there ways to maybe rank high once ? lol. You can take your 3k log in points and bet it all on #20 every day until you win ? Guess what - you'll lose on average 36 out of 37 tries and maybe win once on average - you won't rank on the board, you're balance will be negative at the house edge. (the math).
Now if you hit 20 a few times in a row you might get on the leaderboard for the week once... who knows. You can't show this climbing every week and do it consistently - of course not. So a big win might place you once, it won't show the results that I posted over months of play.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 11, 10:17 PM 2018
I think he really believed the system worked, based on parx results. And he tried to help people. but as it is now, he realized he made a mistake and doesnt want to appear wrong.
Do you believe he would rather spend weeks on a rigged game with play money than winning real money? That's just one point.
There are many others like the when he is asked to explain a contradiction, we get the same response like "you dont know better and I'm not telling".
Steve,
Yes, it is interesting how the above phenomenon (that you have characterized fairly above) appears over and over again on roulette forums, isn't it?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 13, 02:09 PM 2018the above phenomenon
Sadly, it's no phenomenon - it's called "you don't believe anything works, you don't even spend the time or energy to try to figure it out, you're mad because the answer isn't being handed to you" etc etc.
There's not much else to say if someone refuses to understand the answer to a problem.
You can blame the person telling you the answer all day, but if you're too lazy to actually do the problem yourself - the answer means nothing. Sad.
It's incredibly easy to find contradictions when you don't understand what's going on. Pay attention or don't.. I suspect it's "don't".
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 13, 02:42 PM 2018
Sadly, it's no phenomenon - it's called "you don't believe anything works, you don't even spend the time or energy to try to figure it out, you're mad because the answer isn't being handed to you" etc etc.
There's not much else to say if someone refuses to understand the answer to a problem.
You can blame the person telling you the answer all day, but if you're too lazy to actually do the problem yourself - the answer means nothing. Sad.
It's incredibly easy to find contradictions when you don't understand what's going on. Pay attention or don't.. I suspect it's "don't".
I was commenting on the phenomenon of people playing the baiting game that we find on roulette forums over and over again -- too bad you are taking it as a personal attack against you and getting all emotional about it.
Turbo i read everything you wrote. And you still don't understand the parx math.
Short term play results is mostly indistinguishable between parx online and real casino. The effect of any edge is pronounced over longer term.
The part you arent understanding is if you're given free money, your winnings are inevitably greater.
If you get say $100k in free money, that's a huge advantage over others.
Really its not my opinion. Its just the math. Yes we're going in circles.
The idea to validate system play with results will always draw negative objections and rightly so -
1. Fake video,
2. Demo - not real,
3. Short term result.
Downside for the person posting validation videos are -
1. Never ever able to validate the system play without some form of credibility objection,
2. This will reveal your play which you have no intention to reveal,
3. You will attract accusations of baiting,
4. You might be accused of misleading the public.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 13, 03:36 PM 2018If you get say $100k in free money, that's a huge advantage over others.
Everyone gets the same amounts - other than of course whatever you win in the leaderboard challenge because you ranked higher than others.
Your argument is invalid.
It's like saying a guy with a 1k bankroll and a guy with a 10k bankroll go into the casino so the guy with the 10k bankroll has a better chance of winning. ? Really ?
I purposely lost the huge bankroll I had to prove that it doesn't matter what amount you have, you can still lose it by not playing something that works.
Some guy starting with 1k would now be ahead of me - or if he was using what I "preach" - he would probably be in first place and hence "invalid" as proof of anything in some people's eyes..
You're point seems to be the "bonus" credits you get (everyone gets) for logging in daily or the leaderboard prizes - neither of which (as I've said until I'm blue) reflect on PROFIT which is all the leaderboard stats are based on.
This is why it's a total waste of time for me to use any means to prove my way of play works.
If I did what you think makes sense and go to the casino and win win win every day and amass a huge bankroll - you'll say "Well, you have a HUGE bankroll - you can't lose".
Or "Ha ! How many spins total did you play ? I played a year and didn't lose - until I did.. proves nothing".
If I post the math I give away my work (which is what I assume anti-system people want anyway) then we all know how wrong that is.
What else is there ?
A challenge ?? - (I read those rules lol). I provide the system and then it goes through (how many ???) millions of spins so in the end I can "win" (give away my method for free) 100k or so ? I can make 10 times that and more if my goal were to win money.
That leaves me with helping other people on forums - then I'm called dishonest or misleading or baiting. I could just shut up. (laughs). I'm not selling anything - so no motive (oh wait - there's that "ego" thing I'm accused of from some people)...
Basically, I can't win can I.
I don't even post a lot about it - only if someone asks a question that I can answer, or if someone posts (coughs) "I used Turbo's system and it doesn't work". Because that is a lie - and I don't stand for that.
Maybe put it in a spreadsheet to see. Of course larger bankroll gives the player an advantage. Try winning millions with $100. Try with $500,000. Its not hard to do proper testing on a game thats not rigged. You are still saying its no different to a real casino. Im not sure what else to say but I'm sorry you've made some mistakes
Quote from: Steve on Jan 14, 09:49 AM 2018Maybe put it in a spreadsheet to see. Of course larger bankroll gives the player an advantage. Try winning millions with $100. Try with $500,000.
The only difference is that it takes longer to get to the goal - that doesn't make something win or not win. If I have a car that only goes 10mph and yours goes 120mph then you'll get there first. I'll get there over time. Parx took me around 3 months of daily play - not long though, about 1/2 hour to 1 hour per day. Of course if your car doesn't work you won't make it regardless and I'll pass you someday (even if it takes months).
But anyway, it's "agree to disagree" I suppose. I can't prove I'm right without completely exposing what I do (a spreadsheet would just be met with "faked" or some other trickery on my part). I'm obviously the one with something to prove - we all know basic math and the math has always been in the casino's favor (aside from a few ways, etc).
I'm fine with that - I'll just plug along and reply as needed.
I think it would be worse if I posted my live play results because it would be more baiting or taunting - or whatever the word would be for the day.
I don't see the day where I post pictures of money and receipts from cashing out like I've seen others do - there's no reason for that.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 14, 10:33 AM 2018
The only difference is that it takes longer to get to the goal - that doesn't make something win or not win. If I have a car that only goes 10mph and yours goes 120mph then you'll get there first. I'll get there over time. Parx took me around 3 months of daily play - not long though, about 1/2 hour to 1 hour per day. Of course if your car doesn't work you won't make it regardless and I'll pass you someday (even if it takes months).
But anyway, it's "agree to disagree" I suppose. I can't prove I'm right without completely exposing what I do (a spreadsheet would just be met with "faked" or some other trickery on my part). I'm obviously the one with something to prove - we all know basic math and the math has always been in the casino's favor (aside from a few ways, etc).
I'm fine with that - I'll just plug along and reply as needed.
I think it would be worse if I posted my live play results because it would be more baiting or taunting - or whatever the word would be for the day.
I don't see the day where I post pictures of money and receipts from cashing out like I've seen others do - there's no reason for that.
You love talking in riddles.
If you had the one. You wouldnt hesitate to write the concise rules on this or any forum.
If it stands up. A few will adopt it. No system will ever be adopted by all. No matter how good it looks. You dont have to play games. Because few ever take anything seriously anyhow.
There will always be an excuse why its not for them. The buy in will be beyond their pocket.
The wait for the trigger unrealistic in a walk in casino. Then if you have the one, then it would have been found years ago. Because you arent the smartest guy creating systems.
Thats just a few of the push it aside excuses that will run through the average brain.
So the question remains why cant you just talk straight. And present it PROPERLY???
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 14, 11:27 AM 2018Because few ever take anything seriously anyhow.
Sure they do - log into my email.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 14, 11:27 AM 2018Because you arent the smartest guy creating systems.
Wait, what ???? Of course I am. :wink:
Nothing that works 100% of the time and beats the game should ever be posted in detail (step by step) on any open forum. Yes, it would be used and the game would change. There's plenty of ways that a small change in the game would defeat what I do - and I'm not going to see that happen.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 14, 12:36 PM 2018
Sure they do - log into my email.
Wait, what ???? Of course I am. :wink:
Nothing that works 100% of the time and beats the game should ever be posted in detail (step by step) on any open forum. Yes, it would be used and the game would change. There's plenty of ways that a small change in the game would defeat what I do - and I'm not going to see that happen.
hey, you are really nerving us repeatedly with your supergenius work!
we have had enough lectures and empty words..
so plz stop bullying us!
Just start here:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=profile;u=6974;area=showposts;start=555
And work your way back to his latest post. Maybe you will find something usefull
Let me fix that for you :
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 14, 12:58 PM 2018hey, you are really nerving ME repeatedly with your supergenius work!
I have had enough lectures and empty words..
so please stop bullying ME!
:ooh:
Get professional help - or be an adult when you talk. You don't speak for everyone reading a thread, so you can stop the "us" nonsense. If "YOU" don't like the topic - no one made you read it and surely no one forced you (bullied you ?? lol) into replying. Thanks. Have a great day.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 14, 12:36 PM 2018
Sure they do - log into my email.
Wait, what ???? Of course I am. :wink:
Nothing that works 100% of the time and beats the game should ever be posted in detail (step by step) on any open forum. Yes, it would be used and the game would change. There's plenty of ways that a small change in the game would defeat what I do - and I'm not going to see that happen.
Nothing that works 100% of the time has realistic triggers or an affordable buy in. Usually BOTH.
Thats why you wont reveal. Most people wouldnt even consider it. Hey bub I have a system that never loses. But youll have to risk 4 figures on a play. And wait hours for a bet.
Thats not going to even be an option for the majority. I know it. You know it. And thats why you dont show it.
No casino is going to lose sleep over a system with the above criteria. They know human behavior. Now if someone had the HG. With a sub three figure buy in. And less than two hours per game. Then you have something.
And I know for certain you dont tick the boxes on both those essential elements of large appeal.
So like I said before you could post up your HG. And the casino industry would be business as usual...
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 15, 12:27 AM 2018Nothing that works 100% of the time has realistic triggers or an affordable buy in. Usually BOTH.
Thats why you wont reveal. Most people wouldnt even consider it. Hey bub I have a system that never loses. But youll have to risk 4 figures on a play. And wait hours for a bet.
Thats not going to even be an option for the majority. I know it. You know it. And thats why you dont show it.
No casino is going to lose sleep over a system with the above criteria.
Clearly you never read my posts.
I don't use or believe in "triggers" or qualifying - I play from spin #1 and stop when I choose to.
The bankroll required is small - what most would bring with them anyway, at least anyone serious who is playing to win.
There is no "waiting hours" and yes, the casino would certainly care if people started playing in such a way that they couldn't lose and the casino couldn't win.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 15, 06:32 AM 2018
Clearly you never read my posts.
I don't use or believe in "triggers" or qualifying - I play from spin #1 and stop when I choose to.
The bankroll required is small - what most would bring with them anyway, at least anyone serious who is playing to win.
There is no "waiting hours" and yes, the casino would certainly care if people started playing in such a way that they couldn't lose and the casino couldn't win.
Absolutely not. Again you dont know human nature. Not even 1 in a 100 would use your system. If you had it advertised 24/7. All over the media. Whatever you want to do.
The human being does not believe the game is beatable generally. Even though a few like you and I know it is. The difference is I beat the game with less than 10 units a play.
Can you say the same? You cannot even say what size bankroll would be required to opperate your system.
You are just playing games with people. Nobody wants mind games. The only way you are going to speak in riddle is if you want people to buy your system through email contact. Which is what most suspect on here anyhow.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 15, 01:50 PM 2018
Which is what most suspect on here anyhow.
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Who?
QuoteThe difference is I beat the game with less than 10 units a play.
i do not get it....well i am a bit stupid....but turbo says he can do it and win ..thats fine..you say you can do it and win ....that is fine....so why you have to bang your heads and for the others if someone says can win and we cannot so too bad for us and good for winners..and that is fine too.. :question: :question:
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 15, 01:50 PM 2018The difference is I beat the game with less than 10 units a play.
Can you say the same? You cannot even say what size bankroll would be required to opperate your system.
Nope, I need more than 10 units.
My bankroll size (as a rule) is equal to the amount that I'm going to win for the trip.
If I'm looking to walk out 1k ahead, I bring 1k etc etc. This is how it works in reality.
10 units to make 1k isn't possible. Then again - hit Parx ! You'll get $3,000.00 and with $10.00 units your have 300 units instead of 10 (which is all you need)
You'll be at the top of the leaderboard in no time flat - which you won't..... because...
your claim is bs.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 15, 01:50 PM 2018You are just playing games with people. Nobody wants mind games. The only way you are going to speak in riddle is if you want people to buy your system through email contact. Which is what most suspect on here anyhow.
I never have and never will sell systems - I give them away. I suspect that you have no idea who I am and my history on forums, but that's ok. I'm the one who fights to protect people from scammers and BS. I'm the one who gives away most of what I do to help others.
Since you obviously have no idea about me - I can see why you think as you do.
"Most" therefore don't suspect what you do. There are a few people who are anti-system, pro-AP usually who don't believe that any system can work - they might be the few who have issues with me - no one else. But in your reality, fine. No point in arguments over it.
It's a waste of my time to do it, so that's that. One thing I don't let people do is waste my time.
Quote from: maestro on Jan 15, 02:59 PM 2018so why you have to bang your heads and for the others if someone says can win and we cannot so too bad for us
I've never had that attitude with anyone. I don't brag or boast - what I do is tell people the truth - that it can be done and to not give up trying. If I see something that I know for a fact doesn't work, I try to get people to avoid that road. You can surely win and it's possible. If anyone tells you otherwise - ignore them.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 15, 05:40 PM 2018
Nope, I need more than 10 units.
My bankroll size (as a rule) is equal to the amount that I'm going to win for the trip.
If I'm looking to walk out 1k ahead, I bring 1k etc etc. This is how it works in reality.
10 units to make 1k isn't possible. Then again - hit Parx ! You'll get $3,000.00 and with $10.00 units your have 300 units instead of 10 (which is all you need)
You'll be at the top of the leaderboard in no time flat - which you won't..... because...
your claim is bs.
I never have and never will sell systems - I give them away. I suspect that you have no idea who I am and my history on forums, but that's ok. I'm the one who fights to protect people from scammers and BS. I'm the one who gives away most of what I do to help others.
Since you obviously have no idea about me - I can see why you think as you do.
"Most" therefore don't suspect what you do. There are a few people who are anti-system, pro-AP usually who don't believe that any system can work - they might be the few who have issues with me - no one else. But in your reality, fine. No point in arguments over it.
It's a waste of my time to do it, so that's that. One thing I don't let people do is waste my time.
I've never had that attitude with anyone. I don't brag or boast - what I do is tell people the truth - that it can be done and to not give up trying. If I see something that I know for a fact doesn't work, I try to get people to avoid that road. You can surely win and it's possible. If anyone tells you otherwise - ignore them.
Okay apologies if i read you wrong on that. I Know you can win..Im doing it for the last 3 months. On a smaller level than you of course. But things will get bigger.
I started out playing for pennies. Just gaining confidence. Now Im winning pounds. I dont doubt you win at all. What I maintain is the way you opperate will only ever be followed by a tiny minority.
You say if you turned the full details of your system loose on this forum. In a few months Casinos would be toast. Theyd have to revise the rules of the game to avoid an oceans 13 style wipe out.
I maintain you could gift wrap your system and post it through every door in the land. Push it on here 24/7. Have it advertised in lights in times square etc.
And casinos would still carry on raking in the profits. Because its not the system. Its the people who cant discipline themselves to be successful.
They cant stick to the plan. The money management etc. Thats why casinos will always win longterm.
Guys like you, Brett Morton and me on a lessor scale. Are a tiny minority. 98% of people who play roulette lose more than they win. Thats all you ever need to know.
A few threwd clever disciplined people like yourself. Will make your money. But you will never rattle the cage enough to cause a revision of the game. Thats all im saying.
There are lucky rich players who can win a fortune on a single spin. It happens every day. But casinos know this is a percentage game. And in the long haul they will always make their money.
Are u talking about the classy fallacy “pattern breaker†? Its been tested 1 spin a day for million spins means a million day. Guess what?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 16, 01:34 PM 2018
Im doing it for the last 3 months. On a smaller level than you of course. But things will get bigger.
3 months? And that makes it a long term winner ? :question:
What ur writer didnt tell u?
1 spin a day = 10000000 spin =10000000 day and
10000000 spin continiously is the same thing.
Everything is very clearly written in “pbâ€. What is ur special discipline?
A gambler with finite bankroll, playing a fair game will eventually go broke against an opponent with infinite bankroll. Enjoy your wins while it last.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 15, 05:40 PM 2018
My bankroll size (as a rule) is equal to the amount that I'm going to win for the trip.
If I'm looking to walk out 1k ahead, I bring 1k etc etc. This is how it works in reality.
Or more !
Tough isnt it? The tricky ans is
Play = finish= win= restart
Play = finish= win= restart
Play = finish= win = restart
Bk= 1000 , profit = 1000 finish trip. Or if thinking ur way that is really tough.