Hello!
I have been reading your forum a long time, and decided today to take the jump and make a post, begin asking some questions. So, Roulette is my favorite casino game, has been for years. But, in the states, in Florida, we just recently got real roulette, well, Airball Interlock Organic machines anyway. I went and tested Flat's sector system on one last night. It seems my observations that airball tend to follow a pattern, and if you follow the machines pattern, you can follow yourself into some gas money and a meal at the end of the night.
Anyway, I've done more observing numbers, than playing numbers on one - so I was curious if anyone had any insights, or thoughts?
Thanks,
AC
Welcome AC.
It has been my observation that airball machines do tend to streak. Not based on the table, but based on the wheel.
I haven't played a system enough to be able to say that there is a definite tendency to repeat and you can exploit it, but I have an acquaintance who swears that the airball machine we have here at Casino Del Sol tends to hit in the general area of the last hit all too often to be coincidence.
I have done a little tracking and all I can say is there was a slight edge on the side of repeats, but not enough to be exploitable without camping out at the casino for some marathon sessions.
Our friend F_LAT_INO definitely felt that the airball machine he played on repeated way more than expected.
My theory is that the numbers hit according to expected ratios, but they are hit in clusters as the ball tends to land close to the last number unless it hits a fret in a weird way and bounces off.
GLC
Alleycat - Interlock ? I know this game as Interblock. For info. go to search on this forum up top near the HOME logo & type in Interblock organic G4.
Also info.search on VLS forum & old (now non posting) forum = forum.net blah.
If you spend some time examining the operation of the Interblock wheel ask yourself these questions.
Why does it have an overhead or LED ball speed sensor(s) ? Why so many diamonds around the circle ? Why are the diamonds so big, and the gap only covers 2 pockets, therefore enabling the hitting of the target number or the one next door ? Does the ball mainly drop in the same location ? Why is the crossfall from the ball track to the number pockets so steep ? Why are the number pockets so deep ? Why is there minimal ball bounce/scatter? Why is the wheel & ball so much larger than a dealer spun wheel ? Does the ball have metal within to enable fine speed control by electro magnets or are there air jet holes in the ball track to also adjust the ball speed ? Does the wheel have electronic fine speed control ? Can any player visually tell the difference between a wheel or ball speed of 26.8rpm & 25.2rpm or similar ?
Why is the game classified as an Electronic Gaming Machine = EGM (in the same class as slot/poker machines & RNG games) and not a random spun roulette wheel ? Check your gaming regulators site for detail on EGM classification.
Why doesn't the casino have a notice somewhere on the game advising players the game is an EGM & therefore the results are not true random but manipulated ?
For me a better casino option is Rapid Roulette (RR) or similar (not RNG like Vegas Star). This has a live dealer spun wheel linked to interactive touch screens. At least the spins are true random and so you get a reasonable chance of winning, subject to your bet selection & money management. If RR is not available then the good old chip table should be considered.
Sure some players win (the majority lose) on airball, as on slots etc. My experience & other players I've met too is that you win less often on EGM roulette. I've won more often on live dealer spun wheels. That's what I always play nowadays. I twigged to the RNG & EGM rorts in 2010.
@GLC - Thank you! it's great to speak with you, I think I've read hundreds of posts by you over time!
@ausguy - These are great questions, I get the points of what you're saying. It is Interblock. I forgot the B. I tried searching the forum on here for a combination of the terms you specified, but I haven't tried any other forums. I will honestly try to answer many of these questions. While some are retorical such as player observing ball speed, others I am interested in seeing the results of some of these questions.
Also, @ GLC - I often play a 3/2 system. Three on 1-18, and 2 on the third dozen. What type of progression system due you think would afford me the chance to recover/last beyond a five spin consecutive loss, without an astronomical bankrooll. Further, I'm not afraid of having a bankroll of 1000+ if I can get past those limits. Once again, I've been playing a while, so I've been through the grind. I'm not looking for anything too aggressive, but I'm not afraid of a large bankroll either.
Thanks guys for the warm welcome, and I look forward to getting to know many of you much better.
Very Respectfully - AC
Someone pleasant and respectful is very welcome here for me.
My 2p
3 definite types of roulette number generators
Real wheel, Airball and RNG
I've said this many times, but for me, Airball is definatly akin to RNG.
the reason I say that is because there are too many unknowns.
There are nothing but unknowns with RNG so I won't discuss it.
Airball:
the rotor is motorised. Does it change speed each time slightly? don't know
Is the air jet different each time? don't know
is the air used to influence the ball as it wizzes round (getting into paranoia) don't know
Are the pockets magnetised and the ball is metalic? don't know actually, but I doubt it.
Is it just the same as real wheel? NO
Why?
Because its shrouded in mystery. The glass dome ensures the ball can't leave the wheel so the rotor speed can be faster.
The ball can ping about and produce a number.
Real Wheel:
is free running rotor with a human operating it. It doesn't ping about. Theres no mystery.
old pro's like GLC notice the difference. The output seems different. I don't trust Airball because its fabricated.
don't forget, airball starts exactly in the same position, exactly from the last number exactly the same every time. it must be different.
Go on weisbaden and download any table that has TB in front of it (not Tisch)
They are Airballs. Theres your airball numbers to test with. don't PLAY FOR REAL MONEY ON AIRBALL until you have your own opinion of them.
link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv (link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv)
Turner
Over the months I've been reading the forum, I've realized that really while each method (Dealer, RNG, and Airball) all look like Roulette, they are actually all different games - with real roulette only being a dealer of course.
Casino's are not legal in Florida, with only Indian reservations having them. The closest to me, is the Seminole Hard Rock. There they have the Interblock G4 Organic, as mentioned earlier. They also have a craps table by the same company.
So, unfortunately for me, airball is all i have. When I first played on the machine, it was very tricky to attempt to figure out how it works, but I've kinda got the hand of the touchscreen. they call no more bets VERY early though, which makes me a little concerned (roughly one spin in). Thanks, Turner for the insight. i follow you with the unknowns also. i had checked out the Interblock site, and was suprised how LITTLE information there was about it. I've leanred since that it is to keep people like us from catching on.
@turner i totaly agree for air ball...when you play and put 75 pounds on 14 was my case you can sence it..was paddy power ball hit 3 times pocket on 14 and got out last time only for a second ball droped in poket and with some kind of magic was lifted in the air and droped neighbour..this is my experience... :'(
This may be interesting to some of you:
link:://:.google.com/patents/EP1937379A2?cl=en (link:://:.google.com/patents/EP1937379A2?cl=en)
That is the Google patent for the technology Interblock used for the Roulette and Craps table. It confirms some things you know, and maybe some things you don't. Just food for thought. :)
Quote from: Turner on Apr 09, 02:12 PM 2013
Someone pleasant and respectful is very welcome here for me.
My 2p
3 definite types of roulette number generators
Real wheel, Airball and RNG
I've said this many times, but for me, Airball is definatly akin to RNG.
the reason I say that is because there are too many unknowns.
There are nothing but unknowns with RNG so I won't discuss it.
Airball:
the rotor is motorised. Does it change speed each time slightly? don't know-----YES--ALFA
Is the air jet different each time? don't know------YES
is the air used to influence the ball as it wizzes round (getting into paranoia) don't know---NO
Are the pockets magnetised and the ball is metalic? don't know actually, but I doubt it.-100% YES.......KNOW ALL THIS CAUSE SEEN IT MONITORED IN MY COFFY LOUNGE YEARS BACK.AM TALKING HERE ABOUT ALFASTREET OLDER VERSION.HARD COMPACT DISC WITH NUMBERS PRDETERMINATED VIA MAGN.BALL......couple years back a guy broke a plexy glass with the axe,took the bal out and show us all it is a tinny metal thing.Had this in my broken HD as a headline news next day in the local papers.Amen.
Is it just the same as real wheel? NO
Why?
Because its shrouded in mystery. The glass dome ensures the ball can't leave the wheel so the rotor speed can be faster.
The ball can ping about and produce a number.
Real Wheel:
is free running rotor with a human operating it. It doesn't ping about. Theres no mystery.
old pro's like GLC notice the difference. The output seems different. I don't trust Airball because its fabricated.
don't forget, airball starts exactly in the same position, exactly from the last number exactly the same every time. it must be different.
Go on weisbaden and download any table that has TB in front of it (not Tisch)
They are Airballs. Theres your airball numbers to test with. don't PLAY FOR REAL MONEY ON AIRBALL until you have your own opinion of them.
link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv (link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv)
Turner
Here's the experience with our airball machine. Sorry I don't remember the manufacturer off the top of my head. I check it out the next time I go.
1) The ball always shoots from the same location.
2) The ball always shoots at exactly 60 second intervals.
3) The ball takes approximately 20 seconds to slow down enough to hit a fret. This can vary just a tiny bit.
4) The wheel takes 3 seconds to make a complete revolution.
4) The ball is not metal, probably some kind of hard plastic so no magnets.
5) The big variable is that the ball is light and when it hits the first fret it can bounce almost any direction. But, most of time it just takes a small hop and settles into a slot close to the same area as the last number. Usually not more than 10 slots behind the 1st hit.
My friend Gene plays MrJ's street system where you bet for a street to complete within 12 spins if 2 of the numbers are within the last 12 spins. Only he plays it based on the wheel. He keeps track and any time 2 numbers that are not more than 2 numbers away from each other are in the last 12 spins, he bets for the 3rd number for up to 12 bets. Flat bet only.
This gives him a ton of betting opportunities because any 3 consecutive numbers on the wheel are valid. It gives his 38 sets of 3 number opportunities.
He's retired with little else to do, so he spends hours playing. Swears he's doing great.
I don't have the time nor the patience at this stage in life to play that way. Maybe some day.
GLC
Quote from: AlleyCat316 on Apr 09, 02:37 PM 2013
Casino's are not legal in Florida, with only Indian reservations having them. The closest to me, is the Seminole Hard Rock. There they have the Interblock G4 Organic, as mentioned earlier. They also have a craps table by the same company.
If the craps is dealer..and you dont think the dice are loaded..(fairly easy to asertain in 2 hours) Id play the craps anyday over airball.
Ive studied craps a lot. its a game for Idio.ts, with secret passages for experts. Some bets are the lowest HE in Casinos.
Ask away.....perhaps one for PM
for me airball and dealer are the same, they both use almost the same mechanical ways to get output of numbers,
but RNG is totally different
Id agree with turner on the craps comment. With a good table and a knowledge of dice throwing, big profits can be made... I miss the tables in singapore... The ones here in my local city have no give. In singapore the felt was real soft and me and a few other shooters could easily get on 30 min or more runs.
MM
Quote from: GLC on Apr 09, 03:18 PM 2013
Here's the experience with our airball machine. Sorry I don't remember the manufacturer off the top of my head. I check it out the next time I go.
1) The ball always shoots from the same location.
2) The ball always shoots at exactly 60 second intervals.
3) The ball takes approximately 20 seconds to slow down enough to hit a fret. This can vary just a tiny bit.
4) The wheel takes 3 seconds to make a complete revolution. (this is an average. It does vary somewhat. Starts at a higher speed and ends at a slower speed. These are Gene's calculations. I haven't checked them out because I don't play systems that depend on this phenomenon.)
4) The ball is not metal, probably some kind of hard plastic so no magnets.
5) The big variable is that the ball is light and when it hits the first fret it can bounce almost any direction. But, most of time it just takes a small hop and settles into a slot close to the same area as the last number. Usually not more than 10 slots behind the 1st hit.
My friend Gene plays MrJ's street system where you bet for a street to complete within 12 spins if 2 of the numbers are within the last 12 spins. Only he plays it based on the wheel. He keeps track and any time 2 numbers that are not more than 2 numbers away from each other are in the last 12 spins, he bets for the 3rd number for up to 12 bets. Flat bet only.
This gives him a ton of betting opportunities because any 3 consecutive numbers on the wheel are valid. It gives his 38 sets of 3 number opportunities.
He's retired with little else to do, so he spends hours playing. Swears he's doing great.
I don't have the time nor the patience at this stage in life to play that way. Maybe some day.
GLC
Quote from: mattymattz on Apr 09, 05:09 PM 2013
Id agree with turner on the craps comment. With a good table and a knowledge of dice throwing, big profits can be made... I miss the tables in singapore... The ones here in my local city have no give. In singapore the felt was real soft and me and a few other shooters could easily get on 30 min or more runs.
MM
Well...Dice setting apart..betting dont pass and laying odds after the point is established has next to no house edge.
Perhaps I mistated, if I did I apologize. The craps table here is also an Interblock G4, with a bubble in a middle doing dice rolls. No one gets to roll their own dice. Kind of a buzz kill I know. I haven't tried it since I didn't easily see a place to do odds on a pass/don't pass bet.
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 12:36 AM 2013
Why doesn't the casino have a notice somewhere on the game advising players the game is an EGM & therefore the results are not true random but manipulated ?
Please supply a piece of documentation for that statement. AirBall is manipulated?
AD
AD - I can't supply documentation to prove that Interblock spin results are manipulated. I can only relate to my experiences when playing on Interblock.
I'm particularly addressing the Interblock model as that's all Alleycat has access to.
I can reverse your question and ask you - can you prove that interblock or any other airball/auto wheel is not manipulated ?
Apart from being wealthy enough to buy an Interblock unit or having insider access to one we can never really know.
Do you think auto wheels are true random spun devices, little different to dealer spun wheels ? What do you think about their classification as EGMs = Electronic Gaming Machines ? In the same group as slots/poker machines & RNG games. EGMs have preset player returns & guaranteed earning % for the gaming venue.
This is well documented, especially for slots/poker machines. Also you may remember the forum posts of a few years ago titled " DOCUMENTED PROOF OF CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE" ?
Have you seen or played the Interblock wheel ? Don't dismiss too quickly what I've already previously said about the Interblock construction & the way the spins operate. eg Why do they need to have a ball timing sensor above the ball track ?
Allycat has already mentioned that the Interblock site is very thin on detail regarding how its games operate.
Wheel maker Cammergh is a lot more forthcoming. Check out their site at Cammergh.com. In particular their Mercury 360 RSS model. RSS stands for RANDOM ROTOR SPEED. The site details how it all operates, even the air jet holes in the ball track, so well worth a read. They even have some video demos.
If one maker has it surely all the others would have it in some form or other also, including Interblock ?
About craps or dice. I think it is one of the really big potential games for wins apart from roulette. That's the only game in casino where you can have physical influence of your own. That can be a big thing for someone with skillful hands.
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 10:00 PM 2013
AD - I can't supply documentation to prove that Interblock spin results are manipulated. I can only relate to my experiences when playing on Interblock.
So according to YOU, the whole thing is rigged from the start. Not a good enough argument.
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 10:00 PM 2013I can reverse your question and ask you - can you prove that interblock or any other airball/auto wheel is not manipulated ?
Apart from being wealthy enough to buy an Interblock unit or having insider access to one we can never really know.
You can "reverse" the question, but it's not a valid one. If it were manipulated, it would not be legal in our state. (I've seen and played the same machine at the Indian casinos).
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 10:00 PM 2013Do you think auto wheels are true random spun devices, little different to dealer spun wheels ?
Yes I do.
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 10:00 PM 2013
What do you think about their classification as EGMs = Electronic Gaming Machines ? In the same group as slots/poker machines & RNG games.
I would think they would classified that way due to the nature of the wagering for the player and the methods of payment both in and out of the machine.
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 10:00 PM 2013EGMs have preset player returns & guaranteed earning % for the gaming venue.
Not true. You confuse preset player returns with aggregate casino returns.
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 10:00 PM 2013Also you may remember the forum posts of a few years ago titled " DOCUMENTED PROOF OF CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE" ?
Yes, I remember it well. I still have a link to that site and have printed out their documentation where they state that the game is rigged and how you WILL make a profit. This is not the same thing by any means at all!!
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 10:00 PM 2013Have you seen or played the Interblock wheel ?
Of course I have otherwise I wouldn't be in this discussion. I've played them in the Dakotas at some very nice casinos and also down here in Florida in at least two of the Seminole Indian casinos.
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 10:00 PM 2013Don't dismiss too quickly what I've already previously said about the Interblock construction & the way the spins operate. e.g. Why do they need to have a ball timing sensor above the ball track ?
Why would they want to time the spin? How about for consistency and to make sure the wheel spins at least a certain number of revolutions about the wheel. If you were running an automated wheel, wouldn't you like to know INSTANTLY that the ball is not making more than two spins before dropping in!! How about if the ball ALWAYS spins exactly 14 times before dropping in. I think I would want my automated machine to never duplicate a spin, exactly, time after time.
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 09, 10:00 PM 2013
Wheel maker Cammergh is a lot more forthcoming. Check out their site at Cammergh.com. In particular their Mercury 360 RSS model. RSS stands for RANDOM ROTOR SPEED. The site details how it all operates, even the air jet holes in the ball track, so well worth a read. They even have some video demos.
Yep, I've chased down pretty much all of the available information on AirBall. I convinced it is a legitimate wheel, worthy of live play with real money.
For some reason you appear to think that having the ability to "monitor" what the machine is doing is somehow related to cheating or a rigged roulette wheel. I tend to see it as a way to validate the legitimate operation of the wheel, literally on a spin by spin basis. I don't doubt that the machines probably have an "auto-lockout" function that will stop all wagers should the wheel "monitoring" service see a something that is out of the documented specifications.
Like I mentioned earlier. If the wheel is only making two revolutions and the ball is dropping after one, I would tend to think the machine is now "out of tolerance" and being monitored, would be shut down in quick order. That's why you monitor the ball speed, revolution count/speed and probably a few other things. I have no doubt that temperature is probably monitored as well as ambient light. It would be if it was my machine.
Thanks for bringing up this discussion.
AD
Quote from: AlleyCat316 on Apr 09, 07:02 PM 2013
Perhaps I mistated, if I did I apologize. The craps table here is also an Interblock G4, with a bubble in a middle doing dice rolls. No one gets to roll their own dice. Kind of a buzz kill I know. I haven't tried it since I didn't easily see a place to do odds on a pass/don't pass bet.
Then don't play it. If you are a Don't player like myself, after the point is made, any good dice controllers are not throwing for 7.
Generally, Don't betters refuse the dice. it makes less sense if no one is throwing the dice.
Turner, all this dice talk is making me nostalgic. I'll be at the fitzwilliam casino tomorrow (im in dublin now) so maybe they'll have a craps table. Watch for a roulette player with a red Canada sweater online tomorrow :-)
Matt
Quote from: mattymattz on Apr 10, 04:10 PM 2013
Turner, all this dice talk is making me nostalgic. I'll be at the fitzwilliam casino tomorrow (I'm in dublin now) so maybe they'll have a craps table. Watch for a roulette player with a red Canada sweater online tomorrow :-)
Matt
Oh....Dublinbet?...LoL...I will.
Don't forget ...right betting is for women in mini skirts and high heels...
and left betting is for men in shorts and t-shirts
briefly,
I just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for their contributations to my post! I expected a couple, but everyone has really given me a lot to think about. I went to the Hard Rock last night, and played on the airball. it ate up 100 units real fast, luckily I got em all back on a hand of blackjack! :)
Everyone though had some great input on both sides, and I'd say for my first post to the forum, over twenty replies, and a couple hundred reads isn't too shabby!
Thanks, again.
AlleyCat :wink:
Quote from: AlleyCat316 on Apr 10, 10:42 PM 2013
briefly,
I just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for their contributations to my post! I expected a couple, but everyone has really given me a lot to think about. I went to the Hard Rock last night, and played on the airball. it ate up 100 units real fast, luckily I got em all back on a hand of blackjack!
AlleyCat
AlleyCat,
Can you post up the results of your airball play? A tracking card or some kind of sheet with the results that you played?
It would be interesting to see where the $100 went.
AD
Quote from: iggiv on Apr 10, 09:31 PM 2013
and left betting is for men in shorts and t-shirts
lol...bit cold here for that...even for wrong bettors.
Quote from: AlleyCat316 on Apr 10, 10:42 PM 2013
briefly,
I just wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for their contributations to my post! I expected a couple, but everyone has really given me a lot to think about. I went to the Hard Rock last night, and played on the airball. it ate up 100 units real fast, luckily I got em all back on a hand of blackjack! :)
Everyone though had some great input on both sides, and I'd say for my first post to the forum, over twenty replies, and a couple hundred reads isn't too shabby!
Thanks, again.
AlleyCat :wink:
Just out of interest, how many decks is the Blackjack? Is it a shuffle machine or shoes? If its shoes, there may be an opportunity to card count..
If theres airball and auto-craps...it has to be CSM.
So Alleycat loses 100 units on the Interblock EGM machine. The ball spins eventually leaving the ball track dropping into a deep pocket aided by the channelling gap between 2 of the 18 oversize DIAMONDS masquerading as ball deflectors.
More often than not the drop misses Alleycats bets. His eventual final score - Casino 100 units Alleycat nil.
He wisely quit his play & tried his luck at another game. As he said he luckily won his losses back on blackjack. I assume he left the casino breaking even ?
ADulay how have you fared with all your Interblock plays over time ? In total in the red or in the black ?
Anybody else ahead with their Interblock play?
I haven't learned how to quote people's previous quotes in the forum yet.
@Adulay: I didn't record the results, but will definitely do that in the future to post for those interested.
@Turner - Six decks. They have tables that play both Autoshuffler and Shoes, so counting is definitely a possibility in the casino. I played at a deck with the shoes. :wink: Awful lucky to get a hot table, scoring me blackjack twice consecutively. Airball and Autocraps I believe are actually due to restrictions from having gaming wheels or tables in the Florida constitution. In fact, the only reason they have card table games, is because the state was in deficit two years ago, and struck a deal with the Casino to grant a license for table games in exchange for a 1.2 billion, that's right - billion, dollar loan.
@Ausguy - Yeah, I figured 100 units was enough for it to eat in a single session. Last time I was there though, it gave me 200, and 480 the time before that - so I can't be angry. It definitely wasn't doing well for me though yesterday. I even waited at some points till AFTER the ball released to bet. And yes, I did leave after breaking even. I'd like to maintain my edge on the casino for as long as possible!
Breaking even is really cool.
I would love to play a shoe table. UK is all CSM.
Really? i would imagine everyone there is as suspicious as people here. Most casinos have done the switch to CSMs, but most reputable casinos still have non-automatic tables. Especially where I love in Tampa, the Hard Rock is the only show in town, (and also third largest casino in the US, and the sixth largest casino in the world) so to keep everyone there they try to keep it diverse. 110 Tables, 5000 slots, and and over 50 poker tables. So, it keeps it interesting. =p
Quote from: AlleyCat316 on Apr 11, 12:02 PM 2013
Really? i would imagine everyone there is as suspicious as people here. Most casinos have done the switch to CSMs, but most reputable casinos still have non-automatic tables. Especially where I love in Tampa, the Hard Rock is the only show in town, (and also third largest casino in the US, and the sixth largest casino in the world) so to keep everyone there they try to keep it diverse. 110 Tables, 5000 slots, and and over 50 poker tables. So, it keeps it interesting. =p
according to Roulette spider, the CSM gives 0.1% favour back to the player in house edge, and was more used to be able to play 20% more sessions per hour due to eliminating shuffling etc. So even though it kills card counting....who was card counting? About the same as people playing VB in roulette I guess. I don't think CC worried them as much as the card counters made out. Just more games played to get more cash into the casino.
I agree with you absolutely. I've seen a guy taken off a table once for card counting. They were very nice about it. They asked him to enjoy some other game, and gave him a meal comp. That was it.
Alleycat - another thought if you're playing Interblock & if you are recording your bets is to note how many other players are also playing. My thinking is that the game may give you more wins too if in total most bet options are covered by multiple players ?
When you won the two previous sessions & the losing one do you recall how many other players were there?
What type of wheels are available ? Any single zero wheels or are they all 0 & 00 ? Have you considered playing live dealer chip roulette ? I'm down here in OZ land & roulette is mostly single zero. All blackjack games have continuous shuffling machines so card counting is useless. Even if it could be done I'd fail at it anyway.
Whatever game you play it is important to have sufficient bank roll to cover your progressions or bet plan. Casinos just love all the millions of players that bet low & are too afraid to push larger amounts out. All too many make uneven chip placements & so lose more than they win.
Are you aware there's a section here on CC on money management = MM ? Tracking your play & bets goes along way towards betting success. Even if you lose your bet sheets can often ID areas to improve, many of us here are still learning.
Quote from: ausguy on Apr 11, 09:05 AM 2013
ADulay how have you fared with all your Interblock plays over time ? In total in the red or in the black ?
As roulette is NOT my primary game, I only play it when killing time and for grins every now and then.
I am ahead all of $55 at the Brighton casino and up EXACTLY $40 at Immokalee. How do I know that? Well, the only time I played the Immokalee machine, it was two wagers during my first test of the machine. $20 on black. Pulled my $20 and let the win ride. It won. I saw what I came to see (the minimums and all that) and wanted to make sure it was the same machine as in Brighton where I had played many spins. Brighton had me down about $30 my first time in but I got back on track playing a modified "S42" and it just started giving the money all back, and then some! By the time we left, I cashed out for $105. I had fed $50 in so that netted my $55.
In the future, should I decide to play these machines again, I will try to keep my results and wagers to post up here. They may not be worth anything to anybody as they most probably won't be over 20-30 spins anyway. I didn't keep any record of these plays as I wasn't planning on staying longer than a dozen or so spins anyway. I generally track and record all time at the tables though. I'll write down the results from the airball machine next time for sure.
We'll play it by ear next time out.
AD
Ausguy - I do recall that the first time I played, it was very busy. The second time, it began pretty busy, but only had one other player by the end of my session. The last time, it was fairly busy and I still ate the 100. All the G4 Organic wheels are 00 wheels, we do have some RNG slots that are European. We don't have a live dealer, sadly - as it is banned by our state's constitution specificially. Live is always my favorire. :) I have been checking out the MM forum, and I know. I love the idea comparing MM vs the Odds formula of certain rolls occuring over a long stretch of spins.
I've never taken my numbers home to analyze them, but I plan to next session. I'm currently working on a system what will need the spins to test anyway. I'm an IT professional, and it seems to me that while LD, RNG, and Airball all look like roulette, and play by similar rules - they are really all totally different games. With that said, the rules can only go so far in making you a successeful roulette player, as your system has to be designed for your specific roulette, and not just roulette in general. Further, systems should also be designed for your specific version of the game. (As every number generator has slightly different programming, and every airball or live wheel has slightly different materials, dealer signature, or mechanics)
So, to that end I'm working for a system that will work best with my specific Airball game. Now, I know house edge, and all the pertinent information, and I know the odds on every bet vs the return, payouts, and probabilities - but I will still attempt to figure it out. While the roulette board may be perfect, the wheel is not - specifically a computerized one. I also, recently had the experience at this table that when I put $20 in, it gave me credit for $70. The point is, as a computer guy - I know every computer has a flaw, error, or peculiarity somehere. I will try to find the one on this airball machine.