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Title: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 07:14 AM 2015
Just starting out on this idea, so i'll use aspers live spins. Even i dont know if this will work.
Collect the 1st 12 numbers no repeats

aspers   mk
33  01
02  02
18  03
12  04
13  05
29  06
25  07
04  08
26  09
15  10
21  11
20  12     so thinking along the lines of Gut  no repeat yet, so if next spin is a non hit,13 straight, so 2 more spins to get to 15
08  13     straight non hit, Winkel shows this happened 3 times in 200,000 odd spins
16  14     well 14, i'd be betting the 1st 12#'s 33-2-18-12-13   -29-25-4-   26-15-21-   20, bet 12 units,12 units now 24 units
12   R      win.
34           Okay we've won, so would you now sit out till 37 spins have gone and then collect the 1st 12#'s again.
9             or start again from 34.
18
30
20
30
7
14
12
13
22
12
29
21
35
20
23
19
34
2
16
7
16
21
25
19
4
33
20
32
24
3
14
0
29
13
7
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 07:20 AM 2015
1   33   1
2   2   2
3   18   3
4   12   4
5   13   5
6   29   6
7   25   7
8   4   8
9   26   9
10   15   10
11   21   11
12   20   12
13   8   13
14   16   14
15   12   win
16   34   1
17   9   2
18   18   3
19   30   4
20   20   5
21   30   
22   7   6
23   14   7
24   12   8
25   13   9
26   22   10
27   12   
28   29   11
29   21   12
30   35   13
31   20   win
32   23   
33   19   
34   34   
35   2   
36   16   
37   7   
38   16   
39   21   
40   25   
41   19   
42   4   
43   33   
44   20   
45   32   
46   24   
   3   
   14   
   0   
   29   
   13   
   7   
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 07:29 AM 2015
RNG 180 plus spins

   lad,enf-2 1.12.15   
1   25   1
2   25   
3   30   2
4   33   3
5   24   4
6   25   
7   24   
8   21   5
9   27   6
10   12   7
11   4   8
12   3   9
13   30   
14   3   
15   24   
16   21   
17   19   10
18   7   11
19   31   12
20   30   win
21   16   
22   33   
23   15   
24   0   
25   36   
26   28   
27   28   
28   0   
29   12   
30   25   
31   29   
32   20   
33   25   
34   19   
35   1   
36   2   
37   3   
38   25   
39   22   
40   8   
41   11   
42   21   
43   12   
44   0   
45   29   
46   29   
   12   
   11   
   34   
   35   
   20   
   17   
   18   
   6   
   13   
   12   
   36   
   5   
   29   
   22   
      
   16   
   3   
   5   
   14   
   7   
   16   
   33   
   28   
   36   
   7   
   4   
   13   
   25   
   29   
   33   
   11   
   21   
   1   
   7   
   28   
   21   
   3   
   13   
   24   
   16   
   16   
   30   
   13   
   0   
   35   
   5   
   7   
   0   
   34   
   12   
   33   
   21   
   31   
   34   
   1   
   16   
   34   
   15   
   13   
   12   
   15   
   29   
   28   
   25   
   17   
   34   
   32   
   3   
   29   
   9   
   24   
   13   
   13   
   22   
   27   
      
   26   
   6   
   14   
   5   
   17   
   18   
   18   
   5   
   24   
   22   
   4   
   12   
   33   
   0   
   2   
   9   
   10   
   21   
   8   
   15   
   3   
   29   
   2   
   3   
   13   
   1   
   30   
   18   
   30   
   15   
   1   
   16   
   18   
   1   
   9   
   18   
   26   
   34   
   21   
   29   
   12   
   18   
   2   
   34   
   11   
   24   
   27   
   35   
   2   
   14   
   21   
   8   
   6   
   0   
   30   
   2   
   29   
   28   
   35   
   18   
      
   5   
   21   
   24   
   4   
   23   
   27   
   8   
   20   
   4   
   8   
   22   
      
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 08:06 AM 2015
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Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 12:39 PM 2015
   lad,enf-2 1.12.15               
1   25   1            
2   25               
3   30   2            
4   33   3            
5   24   4            
6   25               
7   24               
8   21   5            
9   27   6            
10   12   7            
11   4   8            
12   3   9            
13   30               
14   3               
15   24               
16   21               
17   19   10            
18   7   11            
19   31   12            
20   30   win         so carried on as in spin cycle 37         
21   16   1            
22   33   2            
23   15   3            
24   0   4            
25   36   5            
26   28   6            
27   28               
28   0               
29   12   7            
30   25   8            
31   29   9            
32   20   10            
33   25               
34   19   11            
35   1   12            
36   2   L            
37   3   L            
38   25   win            win here on 1st spin of 2nd cycle, so on excel sheet thought i'd move over so see rest of 2nd          
39   22      1    cycle      
40   8      2         
41   11      3         
42   21      4         
43   12      5         
44   0      6         
45   29      7         
46   29               
47   12               
48   11               
49   34      8         
50   35      9         
51   20      10         
52   17      11         
53   18      12         
54   6      L         
55   13      L         
56   12      win      carried on to end of 2nd cycle   
57   36      1         
58   5      2         
59   29      3         
60   22      4         
                  
61   16      5         
62   3      6         
63   5               
64   14      7         
65   7      8         
66   16               
67   33      9         
68   28      10         
69   36               
70   7               
71   4      11         
72   13      12         
73   25      L         
74   29      win          win on end of cycle 2 again moved over on excel sheet
75   33         1      
76   11         2      
77   21         3      
78   1         4      
79   7         5      
80   28         6      
81   21               
82   3         7      
83   13         8      
84   24         9      
85   16         10      
86   16               
87   30         11      
88   13               
89   0         12      
90   35         L      
91   5         L      
92   7         win       1st win in cycle 3    
93   0         1      
94   34         2      
95   12         3      
96   33         4      
97   21         5      
98   31         6      
99   34               
100   1         7      
101   16         8      
102   34               
103   15         9      
104   13         10      
105   12               
106   15               
107   29         11      
108   28         12      
109   25         L      
110   17         L      
111   34         win        wins on end of cycle 3 seems possible to get 2 wins per cycle,again moved over on excel sheet   
112    32            1   
113   3            2   
114   29            3   
115   9            4   
116   24            5   
117   13            6   
118   13               
119   22            7   
120   27            8   
                  
121   26            9   
122   6            10   
123   14            11   
124   5            12   
125   17            L   
126   18            L   
127   18            L   
128   5            win   wins but took 4 spins, but 12 can be bet with progression
129   24            1   
130   22            2   
131   4            3   
132   12            4   
133   33            5   
134   0            6   
135   2            7   
136   9            8   
137   10            9   
138   21            10   
139   8            11   
140   15            12   
141   3            L   
142   29            L   
143   2            win   2nd win in cycle 4,now wondered if carried on from here would we get in trouble,But up to
144   3            1    here we've just carried on whether end of cycle or not
145   13            2   
146   1            3   
147   30            4   
148   18            5   
149   30               1  started 5th cycle just to see
150   15            6   2
151   1               3
152   16            7   4
153   18               5
154   1               
155   9            8   6
156   18               
157   26            9   7
158   34            10   8
159   21            11   9
160   29            12   10
161   12            L    11
162   18            win               looks like doesn't matter whether we wait for a cycle to end    
163   2            1   12
164   34            2   win       this started on spin 149 5th cycle
165   11            3   1
166   24            4   2
167   27            5   3
168   35            6   4
169   2               5
170   14            7   6
171   21            8   7
172   8            9   8
173   6            10   9
174   0            11   10
175   30            12   11
176   2            w            2nd win
177   29            1   12
178   28            2   L
179   35            3   win   2nd win in 5th cycle
180   18            4   
                  
181   5            5   
182   21            6   
183   24            7   
184   4            8   
185   23            9   
186   27            10   
187   8            11   
188   20            12   
189   4            win    This win is were we just continue betting instead of waiting for the end of the cycle
190   8               
191   22               
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 01:38 PM 2015
These 100 spins same shop.
Just went along, not worried about what cycle of spins was in

-12 if we chickened out. Flat bet +24

   Lad,enf-1 1.12.15   
1   6   1
2   8   2
3   27   3
4   23   4
5   33   5
6   2   6
7   31   7
8   15   8
9   18   9
10   15   
11   26   10
12   7   11
13   36   12
14   10   L
15   1   L
16   3   L
17   1   L        Say we chickened out here be £ 84.00 down
18   27   win    Longest yet, but could bet these 12#'s for 9 spins
19   26   1
20   30   2
21   0   3
22   14   4
23   31   5
24   9   6
25   0   
26   3   7
27   8   8
28   3   
29   17   9
30   18   10
31   25   11
32   23   12
33   19   L
34   0   win  be +12 minus the above
35   22   1
36   35   2
37   18   3
38   6   4
39   6   
40   35   
41   13   5
42   30   6
43   1   7
44   9   8
45   14   9
46   18   
47   28   10
48   14   
49   28   
50   8   11
51   36   12
52   1   win  +24
53   1   1
54   29   2
55   6   3
56   34   4
57   6   
58   8   5
59   7   6
60   10   7
      
61   34   
62   34   
63   19   8
64   29   
65   10   
66   35   9
67   14   10
68   12   11
69   19   
70   25   12
71   24   L
72   9   L
73   14   win    bet 12+12+24=48 return 72   +24
74   7   1
75   29   2
76   15   3
77   30   4
78   28   5
79   26   6
80   17   7
81   32   8
82   17   
83   34   9
84   9   10
85   20   11
86   24   12
87   8   L
88   20   win  +12
89   27   1
90   14   2
91   8   3
92   26   4
93   24   5
94   35   6
95   15   7
96   22   8
97   28   9
98   16   10
99   20   11
100   31   12
101      
102      
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 02:22 PM 2015
 RFMAXX

I've been thinking why does this feel familiar, got it, seems to be something like Vaddi. In stead of 8 we just bet 12. would Vaddi betting the same 8 work?

Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 02:38 PM 2015
How would this fair if flat bet
26 bets 312 out, return 11 wins 396   +84


Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 18, 12:39 PM 2015
   lad,enf-2 1.12.15               
1   25   1            
2   25               
3   30   2            
4   33   3            
5   24   4            
6   25               
7   24               
8   21   5            
9   27   6            
10   12   7            
11   4   8            
12   3   9            
13   30               
14   3               
15   24               
16   21               
17   19   10            
18   7   11            
19   31   12            
20   30   win         so carried on as in spin cycle 37         
21   16   1            
22   33   2            
23   15   3            
24   0   4            
25   36   5            
26   28   6            
27   28               
28   0               
29   12   7            
30   25   8            
31   29   9            
32   20   10            
33   25               
34   19   11            
35   1   12            
36   2   L            
37   3   L            
38   25   win            win here on 1st spin of 2nd cycle, so on excel sheet thought i'd move over so see rest of 2nd          
39   22      1    cycle      
40   8      2         
41   11      3         
42   21      4         
43   12      5         
44   0      6         
45   29      7         
46   29               
47   12               
48   11               
49   34      8         
50   35      9         
51   20      10         
52   17      11         
53   18      12         
54   6      L         
55   13      L         
56   12      win      carried on to end of 2nd cycle   
57   36      1         
58   5      2         
59   29      3         
60   22      4         
                  
61   16      5         
62   3      6         
63   5               
64   14      7         
65   7      8         
66   16               
67   33      9         
68   28      10         
69   36               
70   7               
71   4      11         
72   13      12         
73   25      L         
74   29      win          win on end of cycle 2 again moved over on excel sheet
75   33         1      
76   11         2      
77   21         3      
78   1         4      
79   7         5      
80   28         6      
81   21               
82   3         7      
83   13         8      
84   24         9      
85   16         10      
86   16               
87   30         11      
88   13               
89   0         12      
90   35         L      
91   5         L      
92   7         win       1st win in cycle 3    
93   0         1      
94   34         2      
95   12         3      
96   33         4      
97   21         5      
98   31         6      
99   34               
100   1         7      
101   16         8      
102   34               
103   15         9      
104   13         10      
105   12               
106   15               
107   29         11      
108   28         12      
109   25         L      
110   17         L      
111   34         win        wins on end of cycle 3 seems possible to get 2 wins per cycle,again moved over on excel sheet   
112    32            1   
113   3            2   
114   29            3   
115   9            4   
116   24            5   
117   13            6   
118   13               
119   22            7   
120   27            8   
                  
121   26            9   
122   6            10   
123   14            11   
124   5            12   
125   17            L   
126   18            L   
127   18            L   
128   5            win   wins but took 4 spins, but 12 can be bet with progression
129   24            1   
130   22            2   
131   4            3   
132   12            4   
133   33            5   
134   0            6   
135   2            7   
136   9            8   
137   10            9   
138   21            10   
139   8            11   
140   15            12   
141   3            L   
142   29            L   
143   2            win   2nd win in cycle 4,now wondered if carried on from here would we get in trouble,But up to
144   3            1    here we've just carried on whether end of cycle or not
145   13            2   
146   1            3   
147   30            4   
148   18            5   
149   30               1  started 5th cycle just to see
150   15            6   2
151   1               3
152   16            7   4
153   18               5
154   1               
155   9            8   6
156   18               
157   26            9   7
158   34            10   8
159   21            11   9
160   29            12   10
161   12            L    11
162   18            win               looks like doesn't matter whether we wait for a cycle to end    
163   2            1   12
164   34            2   win       this started on spin 149 5th cycle
165   11            3   1
166   24            4   2
167   27            5   3
168   35            6   4
169   2               5
170   14            7   6
171   21            8   7
172   8            9   8
173   6            10   9
174   0            11   10
175   30            12   11
176   2            w            2nd win
177   29            1   12
178   28            2   L
179   35            3   win   2nd win in 5th cycle
180   18            4   
                  
181   5            5   
182   21            6   
183   24            7   
184   4            8   
185   23            9   
186   27            10   
187   8            11   
188   20            12   
189   4            win    This win is were we just continue betting instead of waiting for the end of the cycle
190   8               
191   22
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: celescliff on Dec 18, 03:07 PM 2015
Very good. Will look more into this. Am I doing it right?

Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: celescliff on Dec 18, 04:28 PM 2015

N B Information
10 1
31 2
25 3
27 4
12 5
5 6
4 7
32 8
25
16 9
10
11 10
33 11
8 12 bet 10 31 25 27 12 5 4 32 16 11 33 8
27 w +24
27 1
14 2
36 3
26 4
29 5
17 6
22 7
32 8
25 9
32
24 10
5 11
35 12 bet 27 14 36 26 29 17 22 32 25 32 24 5 35
11 l
29 w +12
3 1
36 2
2 3
36
13 4
22 5
29 6
16 7
35 8
7 9
9 10
25 11
3 12 bet 3 36 2 13 22 29 16 35 7 9 25 3
16 l
26 l
36 w +24
19 1
7 2
7
21 3
0 4
26 5
18 6
1 7
24 8
3 9
28 10
7
9 11
14 12 bet 19 7 21 0 26 18 1 24 3 28 9 14
27 l
22 l
6 l
29 l
4 l
3 w +12
13 1
1 2
22 3
14 4
31 5
17 6
24 7
10 8
9 9
4 10
22
24
13
6 11
13
25 12 bet 13 1 22 14 31 17 24 10 9 4 6 25
5 l
19 l
31 w +24
23 1
17 2
26 3
22 4
11 5
31 6
19 7
27 8
18 9
31
8 10
0 11
5 12 bet 23 17 26 22 11 31 19 27 18 31 8 0 5
16 l
15 l
25 l
2 l
8 w +24
Total: +120
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 04:44 PM 2015
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 18, 03:07 PM 2015
Very good. Will look more into this. Am I doing it right?
Hi celescliff
Yes. I'm looking at more old records, i liked the flat bet result
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 18, 06:09 PM 2015
These numbers come from the forum.
Flat bet breaks even. bet with progression all win

1   35   1   
2   26   2   
3   5   3   
4   12   4   
5   21   5   
6   8   6   
7   24   7   
8   11   8   
9   21      
10   35      
11   10   9   
12   30   10   
13   11      
14   0   11   
15   0      
16   4   12   
17   16   L   
18   20   L   
19   18   L   
20   27   L   
21   29   L   
22   21   win   6
23   34   1   
24   32   2   
25   30   3   
26   7   4   
27   1   5   
28   20   6   
29   9   7   
30   26   8   
31   30      
32   8   9   
33   5   10   
34   29   11   
35   29      
36   23   12   
37   22   L   
38   4   L   
39   35   L   
40   4   L   
41   34   win   5
42   26   1   
43   3   2   
44   24   3   
45   3      
46   24      
47   9   4   
48   14   5   
49   21   6   
50   19   7   
51   14      
52   34   8   
53   18   9   
54   31   10   
55   19      
56   18      
57   13   11   
58   11   12   
59   14   win   1
60   20   1   
         
61   21   2   
62   32   3   
63   22   4   
64   9   5   
65   28   6   
66   35   7   
67   30   8   
68   36   9   
69   6   10   
70   10   11   
71   35      
72   31   12   
73   31   win   1
74   14   1   
75   20   2   
76   24   3   
77   17   4   
78   27   5   
79   8   6   
80   21   7   
81   4   8   
82   35   9   
83   24      
84   27      
85   10   10   
86   17      
87   11   11   
88   3   12   
89   16   L   
90   10   win   2
91   15      
92   18      
93   35      
94   7      
95   20      
96   5      
97   6      
98   30      
99   30      
100   24      
101         
102         
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: celescliff on Dec 18, 08:37 PM 2015
This session did well, aswell. :)


Spin # Triggers W/L Information Progression 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21
1 3 1
2 23 2
3 30 3
4 10 4
5 3
6 14 5
7 18 6
8 34 7
9 3
10 20 8
11 17 9
12 11 10
13 25 11
14 14
15 21 12 Bet 3 23 30 10 14 18 34 20 17 11 25 21
16 30 W +24
17 0 1
18 9 2
19 24 3
20 15 4
21 4 5
22 8 6
23 8
24 29 7
25 32 8
26 33 9
27 4
28 24
29 35 10
30 0
31 20 11
32 30 12 Bet 0 9 24 15 4 6 29 32 33 35 20 30
33 15 W +24
34 25 1
35 29 2
36 35 3
37 0 4
38 7 5
39 13 6
40 36 7
41 30 8
42 25
43 11 9
44 8 10
45 33 11
46 7
47 22 12 Bet 25 29 35 0 7 13 36 30 11 8 33 22
48 23 L
49 22 W +12
50 28 1
51 19 2
52 31 3
53 6 4
54 18 5
55 16 6
56 12 7
57 12
58 13 8
59 35 9
60 5 10
61 13
62 28
63 18
64 9 11
65 10 12 Bet 28 19 31 6 18 16 12 13 35 5 9 10
66 4 L
67 4 L
68 30 L
69 3 L
70 8 L
71 20 L
72 16 W +12
73 12 1
74 30 2
75 31 3
76 17 4
77 36 5
78 32 6
79 5 7
80 3 8
81 26 9
82 32
83 36
84 20 10
85 4 11
86 1 12 Bet 12 30 31 17 36 32 5 3 26 20 4 1
87 23 L
88 10 L
89 34 L
90 22 L
91 29 L
92 19 L
93 18 L
94 20 W +24
95 6 1
96 33 2
97 29 3
98 19 4
99 6
100 16 5
101 36 6
102 24 7
103 25 8
104 2 9
105 14 10
106 30 11
107 31 12 Bet 6 33 29 19 16 36 24 25 2 14 30 31
108 27 L
109 32 L
110 32 L
111 14 W +24
112 18 1
113 34 2
114 17 3
115 21 4
116 23 5
117 15 6
118 33 7
119 9 8
120 17
121 30 9
122 25 10
123 5 11
124 8 12 Bet 18 34 17 21 23 15 33 9 30 25 5 8
125 19 L
126 7 L
127 30 W +24
128 31 1
129 0 2
130 16 3
131 0
132 19 4
133 19
134 26 5
135 30 6
136 24 7
137 36 8
138 16
139 5 9
140 19
141 11 10
142 3 11
143 27 12 Bet 31 0 16 19 26 30 24 36 5 11 3 27
144 17 L
145 31 W +12
146 31 1
147 7 2
148 24 3
149 29 4
150 30 5
151 27 6
152 16 7
153 4 8
154 2 9
155 5 10
156 14 11
157 28 12 Bet 31 7 24 29 30 27 16 4 2 5 14 28
158 30 W +24
159 32 1
160 21 2
161 16 3
162 2 4
163 21
164 32
165 6 5
166 2
167 22 6
168 18 7
169 13 8
170 16
171 13
172 29 9
173 32
174 24 10
175 32
176 30 11
177 22
178 13
179 33 12 Bet 32 21 16 2 6 22 18 13 29 24 30 33
180 24 W +24
181 19 1
182 4 2
183 2 3
184 25 4
185 30 5
186 32 6
187 14 7
188 27 8
189 5 9
190 33 10
191 19
192 17 11
193 34 12 Bet 19 4 2 25 30 32 14 27 5 33 17 34
194 27 W +24
195 36 1
196 9 2
197 36
198 17 3
199 19 4
200 30 5
201 3 6
202 17
203 10 7
204 15 8
205 0 9
206 4 10
207 26 11
208 4
209 8 12 Bet 36 9 17 19 30 3 10 15 0 4 26 8
210 34 L
211 3 W +12
212 6 1
213 33 2
214 12 3
215 23 4
216 35 5
217 3 6
218 19 7
219 4 8
220 9 9
221 18 10
222 2 11
223 7 12 Bet 6 33 12 23 35 3 19 4 9 18 2 7
224 33 W +24
Total: +264

Spielbank 2015-02-01 Table 3


+264 in 224 spins!
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: shuttle on Dec 18, 09:34 PM 2015
Hi NTH

This is the 2nd set of numbers that I tested, any comments?  They are spins from a B&M casino.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 03:55 AM 2015
Quote from: shuttle on Dec 18, 09:34 PM 2015
Hi NTH

This is the 2nd set of numbers that I tested, any comments?  They are spins from a B&M casino.
Hi Shuttle
only looked at this idea yesterday and if i had that result on 1st test i'd not bothered.But late yesterday evening looking in winkel holy grail in testing zone i found a sheet with a similar losing sequence, in fact 2 sheets.
I'll observe as i record on paper gut tracker and if missed a few spins after the 12 are known might invest a few units.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 09:29 AM 2015
Just back from Ladbrokes
14-2
11-1
36-3
11-1
11-1
31-3
05-1
09-1
21-2
35-3  thes last 10 on screen, so start the count for 12 #'s
32-3  1
15-2  2   Now iwatched the next 2 spins for denzie
11-1  3
34-3  4    bet here 1-3
34-3  R    win the unit.   Now watch
11-1  R
10-1  5     so 1-1 why guess nb
22-2  6
09-1  7
04-1  8   again why guess  nb
31-3  9
17-2  10
16-2  11  again why guess  nb  Gut is 26-9-2-2  we could get another 7/8 unique, we could get the 12th #which would be
30-3  12  one of the 7/8.  30 is the 12th so bet, so could get another 6/7 unique, lets hope not. Cut the story short, WINKEL
35-3  L     is spot on
14-2  L
20-2  L
20-2  L  now when that 20 came 3rd loss think perhaps one of the unique not using could hit and it does
33-3  L  Now i bet the rng sceptics would be saying the rng is cheating
  0-0  L
11-1  Win  Staked .20p*12    1,1,2,3,4,10,20

If we look at the 10 on screen 14,11,36,11,11,31,5,9,21,35  8 unique, of that 8 unique 2 repeat in the 1st 10 that we play.
In the next 10spins, from our 1st 10 of play we have 8 unique and none repeat.

So how is this rng cheating, i won, if it was cheating surely i should not have won. Dont Winkels LOTT in Gut work,so wheres the cheat
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: thelaw on Dec 19, 10:26 AM 2015
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 19, 09:29 AM 2015
Just back from Ladbrokes
14-2
11-1
36-3
11-1
11-1
31-3
05-1
09-1
21-2
35-3  thes last 10 on screen, so start the count for 12 #'s
32-3  1
15-2  2   Now iwatched the next 2 spins for denzie
11-1  3
34-3  4    bet here 1-3
34-3  R    win the unit.   Now watch
11-1  R
10-1  5     so 1-1 why guess nb
22-2  6
09-1  7
04-1  8   again why guess  nb
31-3  9
17-2  10
16-2  11  again why guess  nb  Gut is 26-9-2-2  we could get another 7/8 unique, we could get the 12th #which would be
30-3  12  one of the 7/8.  30 is the 12th so bet, so could get another 6/7 unique, lets hope not. Cut the story short, WINKEL
35-3  L     is spot on
14-2  L
20-2  L
20-2  L  now when that 20 came 3rd loss think perhaps one of the unique not using could hit and it does
33-3  L  Now i bet the rng sceptics would be saying the rng is cheating
  0-0  L
11-1  Win  Staked .20p*12    1,1,2,3,4,10,20

If we look at the 10 on screen 14,11,36,11,11,31,5,9,21,35  8 unique, of that 8 unique 2 repeat in the 1st 10 that we play.
In the next 10spins, from our 1st 10 of play we have 8 unique and none repeat.

So how is this rng cheating, i won, if it was cheating surely i should not have won. Dont Winkels LOTT in Gut work,so wheres the cheat

The ultimate proof against RNG cheating would be increasing your bankroll to an amount that would make an online casino uncomfortable.

So if you started with $500 and turned it into $50,000, I would say that you've pretty much destroyed the theory that RNG is rigged.

Keep up the good work!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 11:17 AM 2015
Hi Law
I'm betting in the licensed bookmakers, on FOBT's with tight stakes.
As you can see must start with only .20p units,max bet £100.00


If we look at the 10 on screen 14,11,36,11,11,31,5,9,21,35  8 unique, of that 8 unique 2 repeat in the 1st 10 that we play.
In the next 10spins, from our 1st 10 of play we have 8 unique and none repeat.

The above goes in line with Gut, so how is the rng cheating
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: thelaw on Dec 19, 11:24 AM 2015
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 19, 11:17 AM 2015
Hi Law
I'm betting in the licensed bookmakers, on FOBT's with tight stakes.
As you can see must start with only .20p units,max bet £100.00


If we look at the 10 on screen 14,11,36,11,11,31,5,9,21,35  8 unique, of that 8 unique 2 repeat in the 1st 10 that we play.
In the next 10spins, from our 1st 10 of play we have 8 unique and none repeat.

The above goes in line with Gut, so how is the rng cheating

Not saying it's cheating, but if you want a definitive answer to the age-old "cheating RNG" question, then significant wins are the way to go!

Any minor scenario can be seen as an anomaly with RNG; but winning 100x your bankroll.............that would go a long way toward shutting down those that criticize RNG :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh:
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 11:32 AM 2015
such a fine line.

such a gray area.

cheating? I don't think they "cheat"

my local airball machines are said to determine a number before the ball is released, using different air bursts it guides the ball.

BUT, that gets tricky, you can STILL place bets after the ball has spun for a few seconds.

when I play the grass roots stuff on airball, I don't place the chips on the dozens until the balls released.

what I do know is people play the airball machines with $25 chips and make thousands of dollars, I've seen it

Like slot machines the video roulettes and the airball roulettes are regulated as far as how much they have to pay out, though. That raises the question, is it truly roulette? No, not like a live dealer roulette.

I don't know and I don't think we will ever know exactly how they work

Few weeks ago I played grass roots at resorts world, they had replaced 80% of the airball machines, they had an area sectioned off with airball machines dismantled with signs that said inspections completed or something like that.

When someone loses they like to say it cheated

BUT, I will tell you one thing, online RNG I will never play again, cause that CAN cheat. When people say they have cracked RNG online, I laugh outloud....nimwits they are. You can never crack RNG online. If that were the case the software guys that make this stuff would be draining the casinos.

With the airball though I think it is a gray area. It is said to pre determine where the ball is going, yet it lets you place bets after it is released. Also, I don't know because I have tried the tactic of betting where everyone else is not betting. They show players bets on a big screen. It did not work.

Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: Turner on Dec 19, 01:58 PM 2015
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 11:32 AM 2015

my local airball machines are said to determine a number before the ball is released, using different air bursts it guides the ball.


Im no airball expert, but Flatino (RIP) hammered them day and night and swore blind that they were fixed, mentioned hard drives running codes.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 02:07 PM 2015
Turner. I think you may be right.

But i never had an issue with them

I see people win thousands

I swear by betting after the balls released

After all, i do see the airball bounce around the diamonds. So i dont think it can be 100%
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 02:36 PM 2015
What i am tying to say is does airball manipulation stop at the diamond. Once it hits diamond its erratic

Perhaps airball just chooses a section

Also the required payout matches the house edge
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: Tamino on Dec 19, 05:12 PM 2015
RG

Take  the time  and contact XANDER via PM at the VLS selection forum . He is an expert  on wheels and as far as I know  even on the air ball variety. Tell him ND recommended him.Sharp  B & M casino   roulette player  and  VB specialist.

Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 05:25 PM 2015
Quote from: Tamino on Dec 19, 05:12 PM 2015
RG

Take  the time  and contact XANDER via PM at the VLS selection forum . He is an expert  on wheels and as far as I know  even on the air ball variety. Tell him ND recommended him.Sharp  B & M casino   roulette player  and  VB specialist.

I know of him. He has played at my local casino

Id like to meet up with him next time

Thanks
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: MrJ on Dec 19, 06:15 PM 2015
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 02:07 PM 2015
Turner. I think you may be right.

But i never had an issue with them

I see people win thousands

I swear by betting after the balls released

After all, i do see the airball bounce around the diamonds. So i dont think it can be 100%

I guess nobody reads my posts. I reported my findings sometime back.

I cant quote it 100% perfect but it went something like this...... I went to my casino around 6am, I wanted as few as possible on the machine. PERFECT, I was the only person playing.

I used only $25 bets. Every spin, I bet the 26 30 7 20 17 5 34 15 24 36  (00 wheel), $250 per spin.

I did this for 100 spins. Of course I did not pump 25K into a machine, I used whatever wins I got, back into my BR but was WILLING to lose a lot (which happened) in order to do my experiment.

Notice how my numbers are all on one side. its nice and even, red/black etc.

Anyways, you would not believe the number of times the ball landed no where near my section !!

I'm glad nobody else played because I wanted no big bets on my opposite side, the experiment worked out real nice (for the casino, lol). I only had a few hits and lost.....well.....quite a bit but it was worth it.

Ken
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 06:25 PM 2015
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 19, 06:15 PM 2015
I guess nobody reads my posts. I reported my findings sometime back.

I cant quote it 100% perfect but it went something like this...... I went to my casino around 6am, I wanted as few as possible on the machine. PERFECT, I was the only person playing.

I used only $25 bets. Every spin, I bet the 26 30 7 20 17 5 34 15 24 36  (00 wheel), $250 per spin.

I did this for 100 spins. Of course I did not pump 25K into a machine, I used whatever wins I got, back into my BR but was WILLING to lose a lot (which happened) in order to do my experiment.

Notice how my numbers are all on one side. its nice and even, red/black etc.

Anyways, you would not believe the number of times the ball landed no where near my section !!

I'm glad nobody else played because I wanted no big bets on my opposite side, the experiment worked out real nice (for the casino, lol). I only had a few hits and lost.....well.....quite a bit but it was worth it.

Ken

No dount airball manipulates the ball

But to what extent?

When i see it hit the diamond its erratic.

I think playing at a full table is different then lonesome?

Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: MrJ on Dec 19, 06:43 PM 2015
"I think playing at a full table is different then lonesome?" >>

10000000% correct. I may do the same experiment but at 8pm, lots of players (if I can get a seat).

Ken
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 06:46 PM 2015
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 19, 06:43 PM 2015
"I think playing at a full table is different then lonesome?" >>

10000000% correct. I may do the same experiment but at 8pm, lots of players (if I can get a seat).

Ken

The plus of my casino is the machines are always packed.

Sometimes have to wait for a seat

These guys are throwing 25 dollar chips on numbers while im putting 10 bucks on double dozens
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: Tamino on Dec 19, 06:51 PM 2015
Just take the time and  compare  the bounce of the  ball at an air ball machine  and a live dealer dropping the  ball at a roulette wheel.

It shall be an  interesting lesson.Well  worth it.


ND.















Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 06:53 PM 2015
Quote from: Tamino on Dec 19, 06:51 PM 2015
Just take the time and  compare  the bounce of the  ball at an air ball machine  and a live dealer dropping the  ball at a roulette wheel.

It shall be an  interesting lesson.Well  worth it.


ND.










omm

Airball is a weird animal.

I see the ball hit the diamond and bounce like a banshee. Even if the machine is rigged how does it control an erratic ball that hits a diamond
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: paulee on Dec 19, 08:06 PM 2015
I stopped playing airball after watching more than once the ball jump out of a slot that I was betting on into one 5 slots away.  Very suspect when the ball has settled then jumps out and lands a few slots away.  Once I could deal with, but multiple I had trouble with.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: paulee on Dec 19, 08:14 PM 2015
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 19, 10:26 AM 2015
The ultimate proof against RNG cheating would be increasing your bankroll to an amount that would make an online casino uncomfortable.

So if you started with $500 and turned it into $50,000, I would say that you've pretty much destroyed the theory that RNG is rigged.

Keep up the good work!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Just playing R/B I've been able to take a $25 bank to over $2500 playing RNG on Betvoyager.  I use a Labouchere cancellation progression of 11111 trying to win $5 each session.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 02:27 PM 2015
Quote from: shuttle on Dec 18, 09:34 PM 2015
Hi NTH

This is the 2nd set of numbers that I tested, any comments?  They are spins from a B&M casino.

How did the 1st set go, celescliff shows good results
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 03:36 PM 2015
albalaha   Opening topic daily live spin data
   
1   32   1
2   0   2
3   7   3
4   9   4
5   11   5
6   0   
7   26   6
8   23   7
9   4   8
10   23   
11   15   9
12   31   10
13   5   11
14   34   12
15   5   w
              +24
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 03:38 PM 2015
Reply 2 jpg 1

1   16   1
2   14   2
3   8   3
4   6   4
5   10   5
6   23   6
7   21   7
8   29   8
9   21   
10   29   
11   4   9
12   33   10
13   27   11
14   1   12
15   17   L
16   11   L
17   36   L
18   28   L
19   13   L
20   35   L
21   25   L
22   35   L
23   4   W
             +108
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 03:40 PM 2015
reply 2  jpg2

1   5   1
2   16   2
3   1   3
4   22   4
5   19   5
6   32   6
7   28   7
8   11   8
9   5   
10   2   9
11   13   10
12   36   11
13   20   12
14   16   W
            +24
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 03:42 PM 2015
reply 2 jpg 3

1   21   1
2   5   2
3   25   3
4   12   4
5   10   5
6   9   6
7   1   7
8   23   8
9   9   
10   34   9
11   24   10
12   28   11
13   8   12
14   6   L
15   33   L
16   36   L
17   29   L
18   7   L
19   34   W
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Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 03:45 PM 2015
Reply2  roulette numbers 1

1   9   1
2   20   2
3   36   3
4   31   4
5   8   5
6   30   6
7   3   7
8   14   8
9   10   9
10   32   10
11   21   11
12   14   
13   16   12
14   14   W
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Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 03:47 PM 2015
reply 2 roulette numbers 2

1   18   1
2   36   2
3   15   3
4   31   4
5   34   5
6   12   6
7   8   7
8   27   8
9   9   9
10   2   10
11   3   11
12   34   
13   24   12
14   14   L
15   8   W
                  +12
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 03:49 PM 2015
reply 2  roulette numbers 3

1   28   1
2   11   2
3   8   3
4   15   4
5   12   5
6   16   6
7   0   7
8   20   8
9   7   9
10   2   10
11   31   11
12   2   
13   15   
14   21   12
15   2   W
                    +24
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 20, 04:00 PM 2015
exact rules?

wait for 12 unique numbers, no repeat, then begin betting those 12?
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 04:53 PM 2015
yes as easy as that, my Nan can do it
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: keepontryin on Dec 20, 04:59 PM 2015
nottophammer.....are you flat betting or using a progression?
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: keepontryin on Dec 20, 05:05 PM 2015
sorry i see your progression
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 20, 05:58 PM 2015
These numbers are 2 sheets in Gut topic Gut 9/10 Paddy Power. Just made the run continue from where i jumped

1   21   1
2   29   2
3   31   3
4   25   4
5   17   5
6   9   6
7   31   
8   16   7
9   10   8
10   35   9
11   1   10
12   5   11
13   31   
14   21   
15   2   12
16   0   L
17   6   L
18   4   L
19   7   L
20   36   L
21   5   W
22   20   1
23   13   2
24   16   3
25   21   4
26   13   
27   35   5
28   1   6
29   34   7
30   11   8
31   21   
32   17   9
33   35   
34   16   
35   12   10
36   7   11
37   0   12
38   21   W
39   7   1
40   29   2
41   33   3
42   27   4
43   9   5
44   18   6
45   15   7
46   14   8
47   10   9
48   27   
49   9   
50   2   10
51   21   11
52   32   12
53   3   L
54   30   L
55   7   W
56      
57      
58      
59      
60      
      
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 20, 07:38 PM 2015
This really is fantastic it's a good way to utilize the fact there will always be repeats with in 37 spins
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 21, 11:21 AM 2015
Just back from ladbrokes £60.00 in £78.60 out  under an hour.

okay on screen left by someone 6,4,13,29,26,12,27,27,29,8.   so 8 unique in last 10 that have been left, so my spins start
9,26,21,33,32   the 12 are 6,4,13,29,26,12,27,8,9,21,33,32.  1st spin 26 win.
That would be if started with the numbers left.
As you see i start with 9. The 12 unique come at 19th spin 31, takes 3 spins to win.
The next 12 unique take 15 spins, i made the wrong decision,thought i'd wait a couple of spins,but wins 1st spin.
Next 12 unique take 14 spins, again thought i'd wait,right decision as you see £2.4 win.

Now Gut, on the KTF column we have 9/10, so by the 40th spin with 15 non hit expected in 30 spins we should read 24+0,but its 23  -1 only 14 hit.
So watching the trot you can see the 10th 0X hits #1, so watching we see the next 3 spins are 1X's so the 0X's are low, next spin win.
Now bit disappointed here as the 3X's have already hit, lot of the time it can come after 19th spin,but as you can see 3 more spins and the 2nd 3X hits, but not on it.
Bet the 40th spin would be a 0X hit as we have 23 non hit at spin 35, but bet 1,1,2 win

Theres the old classic 12-12-11-9 at spin 43, my decision is bet the 0X+1X 24 #'s and win, if you look to the KTF column you see the 24,25,26th have hit,so waited another 0X, 4 on the trot, so the bet for me is 1X+>1 lose,rebet and win. Now dropped the >1 only bet the 1X's, but again a 0X 29th number to hit in 48 spins,surely to many 0X's have come,so rebet the 1X's, it takes 4 spins to get the win.

So success all round.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 21, 11:22 AM 2015
Forgot to say middle of the trot, not that i was interested but theres a nice line of 1 colour.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 21, 12:26 PM 2015
LADS 21.12.15  whilst playing i made a mistake on the sheet, but this strategy still wins.


1   9   1
2   26   2
3   21   3
4   33   4
5   32   5
6   26   
7   22   6
8   13   7
9   27   8
10   25   9
11   33   
12   1   10
13   9   
14   13   
15   9   
16   15   11
17   21   
18   27   
19   31   12
20   8   L
21   16   L
22   33   W
23   16   1
24   36   2
25   30   3
26   7   4
27   12   5
28   27   6
29   34   7
30   25   8
31   19   9
32   14   10
33   25   
34   35   11
35   5   12
36   22   L
37   9   L
38   35   W
39   5   1
40   34   2
41   30   3
42   11   4
43   3   5
44   28   6
45   0   7
46   2   8
47   27   9
48   23   10
49   34   
50   17   11
51   2   
52   9   12
53   21   L
54   19   L
55   21   L
56   28   W
57      
58      
59      
60      
      
61      
62      
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 21, 12:39 PM 2015
Why dont you play with large units

Bring in some real hard euros

8)
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 21, 01:00 PM 2015
out of curiosity how would the 12 unique fair in the 37 spin cycle.
After the 1st 12 unique win, it gets another 5 wins, all within the bookies progression. As you can see whilst collecting the next 12 unique the 37 spin cycle ends, but the 1st gets 5 wins.
RG on the machine if you started with £1 unit you'd hit the max bet to quick, the RNG providers know this, thats why when you use progresion you have to start with .20p then .40,.60.80 £1.00 it then takes you to £2.00 units.
Would only be able to go 1,1,2,3,4,6,8 if on the 8 be slight loss, where as .20p you can go for 9, bet your bottom dollar the rng providers know whats capable, now the ? is to programme for 10 chances would they be opening themselves to a disadvantage
Bit off track here but once i was betting 18 numbers after the 19th had hit, there was 18 repeats before it put the 20th in,
so was it watching or just the way the numbers came.


1   9   1   
2   26   2   
3   21   3   
4   33   4   
5   32   5   
6   26      
7   22   6   
8   13   7   
9   27   8   
10   25   9   
11   33      
12   1   10   
13   9      
14   13      
15   9      
16   15   11   
17   21      
18   27      
19   31   12   
20   8   L   
21   16   L   
22   33   W   
23   16   1   
24   36   2   
25   30   3   
26   7   4   
27   12   5   
28   27   6   w
29   34   7   
30   25   8   w
31   19   9   
32   14   10   
33   25      w
34   35   11   
35   5   12   
36   22   L   w
37   9   L   w
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 21, 01:15 PM 2015
Heres one for all of you.
It involves  7 #'s   a whole d/s and the other #. Again on RNG about 5 years ago, it stuck in my mind.
Dave who was betting  numbers 30 to 36  for £40.00, scattered in different amounts.
What do 30,31,32,33,34,35,36 cover,
1  d/s
2 3#'s from the tier
3 2#'s going from the left of the tier
4 2#'s going from the right of the tier
5  all in bottom 19
6  3 odd 4 even,   theres more but you see the picture.

As hes got 7 #'s we can say 1/6th of the wheel is covered, would math say after 6spins it should hit 1?.

Well it took 18 spins to give a winning number, and one of the cheapest.

So was the rng cheating
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 21, 06:06 PM 2015
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 18, 07:14 AM 2015
Just starting out on this idea, so i'll use aspers live spins. Even i dont know if this will work.
Collect the 1st 12 numbers no repeats

aspers   mk
33  01
02  02
18  03
12  04
13  05
29  06
25  07
04  08
26  09
15  10
21  11
20  12     so thinking along the lines of Gut  no repeat yet, so if next spin is a non hit,13 straight, so 2 more spins to get to 15
08  13     straight non hit, Winkel shows this happened 3 times in 200,000 odd spins
16  14     well 14, i'd be betting the 1st 12#'s 33-2-18-12-13   -29-25-4-   26-15-21-   20, bet 12 units,12 units now 24 units
12   R      win.
34           Okay we've won, so would you now sit out till 37 spins have gone and then collect the 1st 12#'s again.
9             or start again from 34.
18
30
20
30
7
14
12
13
22
12
29
21
35
20
23
19
34
2
16
7
16
21
25
19
4
33
20
32
24
3
14
0
29
13
7

So heres where i started seeing how long before one of the 12 unique wins.
Well how does it go if we just use those 12 unique

1   33   1         
2   2   2         
3   18   3         
4   12   4         
5   13   5         
6   29   6         
7   25   7         
8   4   8         
9   26   9         
10   15   10         
11   21   11         
12   20   12         
13   8   L         
14   16   L         
15   12   W         
16   34   L         
17   9   L         
18   18   W         
19   30   L         
20   20   W         
21   30   L         
22   7   L         
23   14   L         
24   12   W         
25   13   W         
26   22   L         
27   12   W         
28   29   W         
29   21   W         
30   35   L         
31   20   W         
32   23   L         
33   19   L         
34   34   L         
35   2   W         
36   16   L         
37   7   L         
38   16   L         
39   21   W         
40   25   W         
41   19   L   33      
42   4   W   2      
43   33   W   18      
44   20   W   12      
45   32   L   13      
46   24   L   29      
47   3   L   25      
48   14   L   4      
49   0   L   26      
50   29   W   15      
51   13   W   21      
52   7   L   20      
53               
54             spins 40*12= 480   
55             wins  17*36= 612
56               
57   have to look over the other replies   that are all rng   :twisted:         
58               
59               
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Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 22, 06:34 AM 2015
Jackpot Joy  on ITV  today early hours
Automated wheel

1   35   1   
2   3   2   
3   8   3   
4   12   4   
5   25   5   
6   7   6   
7   1   7   
8   11   8   
9   23   9   
10   8      
11   0   10   
12   35      
13   8      
14   33   11   
15   18   12   
16   36   L   
17   7   W     +12
18   19   1   
19   8   2   
20   28   3   
21   23   4   
22   17   5   
23   7   6   
24   7      
25   12   7   
26   13   8   
27   31   9   
28   9   10   
29   14   11   
30   12      
31   14      
32   19      
33   29   12   
34   24   L   
35   12   W      +12
36   1   1   
37   1      
38   27   2   
39   35   3   
40   9   4   
41   10   5   
42   10      
43   35      
44   36   6   
45   19   7   
46   33   8   
47   35      
48   24   9   
49   17   10   
50   36      
51   6   11   
52   31   12   
53   32   L   
54   4   L   
55   34   L   
56   17   W      +24
57   34      
58   32      
59   27      
60   18      
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: NextYear on Dec 22, 07:52 AM 2015
Are you that much lucky?
No, you are on a right track!
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 22, 08:07 AM 2015
Just look at the one hits (1X's) in Gut, look when 25 non hit shows theres the 12 unique
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 22, 10:29 PM 2015
Notto. Twocat played similar. But waited for only 5 uniques

Good results

If you don't have something big here then I'll be a monkeys uncle. I don't want to be a monkeys uncle

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9835.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9835.0)
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: celescliff on Dec 22, 10:37 PM 2015
Ok, a 142 spin test. This test was JUST to see how far I could go playing with the same numbers.

What you don't see here is that after spin 92 I had 9 losses, eating 732 units from the bankroll. I deleted those and start a new one with the number that came and the next 12 numbers survivied for 44 spins. I will do some more testing to see if you could bet the same numbers and have 2-5 wins.

1   9   1      
2   13   2      
3   24   3      
4   35   4      
5   28   5      
6   32   6      
7   26   7      
8   17   8      
9   1   9      
10   7   10      
11   30   11      
12   26         
13   31   12      Bet 1 7 9 13 17 24 26 28 30 31 32 35
14   22      L   
15   24      W   12
16   16      L   
17   8      L   
18   19      L   
19   18      L   
20   20      L   
21   25      L   
22   10      L   
23   31      W   24
24   24      W   24
25   24      W   24
26   15      L   
27   3      L   
28   3      L   
29   21      L   
30   19      L   
31   30      W   12
32   28      W   24
33   13      W   24
34   1      W   24
35   33      L   
36   6      L   
37   32      W   24
38   6      L   
39   32      W   12
40   14      L   
41   2      L   
42   10      L   
43   31      W   24
44   14      L   
45   34      L   
46   16      L   
47   22      L   
48   23      L   
49   18      L   
50   4      L   
51   36      L   
52   26      W   24
53   18      L   
54   6      L   
55   24      W   24
56   7      W   24
57   18      L   
58   14      L   
59   6      L   
60   9      W   24
61   22      L   
62   11      L   
63   14      L   
64   22      L   
65   32      W   12
66   26      W   24
67   5      L   
68   13      W   12
69   34      L   
70   36      L   
71   35      W   24
72   13      W   24
73   31      W   24
74   5      L   
75   25      L   
76   10      L   
77   25      L   
78   24      W   12
79   32      W   24
80   26      W   24
81   1      W   24
82   15      L   
83   23      L   
84   24      W   24
85   4      L   
86   14      L   
87   17      W   24
88   6      L   
89   13      W   12
90   20      L   
91   7      W   12
92            +600
93   23   1      
94   3   2      
95   23         
96   10   3      
97   8   4      
98   4   5      
99   12   6      
100   29   7      
101   36   8      
102   14   9      
103   8         
104   6   10      
105   10         
106   36         
107   11   11      
108   10         
109   20   12      Bet 3 4 6 8 10 11 12 14 20 23 29 36
110   36      W   24
111   14      W   24
112   27      L   
113   22      L   
114   30      L   
115   23      W   24
116   25      L   
117   10      W   12
118   8      W   24
119   25      L   
120   4      W   12
121   21      L   
122   32      L   
123   2      L   
124   4      W   24
125   26      L   
126   15      L   
127   35      L   
128   33      L   
129   4      W   12
130   29      W   24
131   2      L   
132   20      W   12
133   12      W   24
134   13      L   
135   19      L   
136   25      L   
137   34      L   
138   24      L   
139   22      L   
140   9      L   
141   15      L   
142   5      L   
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 23, 10:57 AM 2015
Personally i would collect 12 new unique after the win. You could collect the next unique straight after the 12 where you are betting,like i did today.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 23, 11:49 AM 2015
I used the paper tracker.
Sheet 1 i made a mistake as i was working with the numbers left on the screen, the 3rd spin should have been 18.
If you look in the left top column theres the numbers on the screen 11 unique, next spin is the 12th.
As i was using the unique that were left by someone else i waited 2 spins it won in two more spins.

But like Winkel said i've made a mistake, so i thought i'd press on. I got the 12 th at spin 13, 25-11-1-1, so i'm thinking it could have been 26-9-2-2,so bet straight away,it takes 6 to win. Now having seen it take 4 spins in the other 12 unique, i felt okay to bet straight away,with 9 chances available. The 14th unique repeated,making me think its going to go a few.
After the win, better to start a new sheet,using my previous spins.
The  11 spins on screen has 10 unique, so on sheet 2, 29 is the 11th,34 is 12th,now should i use these or get 12 unique on the sheet,No i went ahead with 31,2,25,3,22,13,32,10,17,22 already there 8,29,34. Wins in 3.
Now i leave alone the numbers in the margin, i now use the numbers from the 13th spin,we have the 12 unique at spin 24. Wins 1st spin. If you've read my thinking in GUT,i've mentioned if the 2X has not repeated by the 19th spin, well you could start betting, well look the 12th unique is spin 24 and the 2X's have not hit, so i bet both bets,remember if the 2X dont come in you can still bet it, just watch the stakes, soon as you'd have bet 36 units you'd have to increase or stop the bet
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 24, 09:47 AM 2015
Couldn't make my mind up what to play. Decided to play AMK way but only over 3 spins, also track the 12 unique.
As you can see quite some tracking when getting asked what i'm doing.
Won £13.40

AMK way only lost 1st bet 2 times, but won all mini games.

The 12 unique all won with in the 9 bets.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 24, 10:13 AM 2015
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Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 24, 11:54 AM 2015
see mini game #4

say we were playing 123

LOSER because of zero?

insurance on zero

PLEASE
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 27, 07:31 AM 2015
Because i play rng and you lot dont like rng i've started 1st 12 #'s in x spins using jackpot joy, auto wheel.

RG thanks for TCS unique 5, only had to get to reply 43 for his idea, 5 unique plus adding next uniques, only needs four and its up to 35 units, so this is where it needs lots of units to get the win and make a profit.

12 unique is different.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: NextYear on Dec 27, 11:32 AM 2015
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 18, 08:37 PM 2015
This session did well, aswell. :)

Spin # Triggers W/L Information Progression 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21
223 7 12 Bet 6 33 12 23 35 3 19 4 9 18 2 7
224 33 W +24
Total: +264
Spielbank 2015-02-01 Table 3

Which software you use for this results?
Thanks
+264 in 224 spins!
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: celescliff on Dec 27, 02:04 PM 2015
Quote from: nextyear on Dec 27, 11:32 AM 2015
Which software you use for this results?
Thanks

I just used openoffice and downloaded spins from weisbaden spielbank and tracked one and one manually.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: NextYear on Dec 27, 03:15 PM 2015
Results are very tidy - easy to read.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: celescliff on Dec 27, 04:07 PM 2015
Quote from: nextyear on Dec 27, 03:15 PM 2015
Results are very tidy - easy to read.

Just put everything nice in columns and paste in here between codeblocks and you get the same.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 27, 04:12 PM 2015
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 27, 02:04 PM 2015
I just used openoffice and downloaded spins from weisbaden spielbank and tracked one and one manually.

Is open office free
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: celescliff on Dec 27, 04:21 PM 2015
Yes 100 % free and it has everything that ms office have. Nothing i'm missing that is.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 28, 11:38 AM 2015
Lad,sandy 28.12.15
All wins in side the 9 bet progression

1   35   1   
2   16   2   
3   9   3   
4   14   4   
5   9   x   
6   30   5   
7   34   6   
8   2   7   
9   14   x   
10   15   8   
11   22   9   
12   11   10   
13   11   x   
14   5   11   
15   18   12   
16   15   1   w
17   19   2   
18   29   3   
19   3   4   
20   26   5   
21   21   6   
22   12   7   
23   26   x   
24   18   8   
25   18   x   
26   27   9   
27   35   10   
28   8   11   
29   23   12   
30   28   1   L
31   0   2   L
32   1   3   L
33   16   4   L
34   16   x   L
35   4   5   L
36   27   6   w
37   11   7   
38   24   8   
39   28   x   
40   34   9   
41   14   10   
42   12   11   
43   17   12   
44   34   1   w
45   30   2   
46   20   3   
47   22   4   
48   32   5   
49   24   6   
50   32   x   
51   6   7   
52   15   8   
53   2   9   
54   32   x   
55   29   10   
56   4   11   
57   31   12   
58   26      L
59   35      L
60   7      L
         
61   3      L
62   36      L
63   33      L
64   35      L
65   6      w
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RayManZ on Dec 29, 03:41 AM 2015
Maybe it's an idea to only make 3 bets and then wait till the next 12 and again only 3 bets but continu the progression. you often win on the first 3 attempts.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 29, 09:13 AM 2015
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 29, 03:41 AM 2015
Maybe it's an idea to only make 3 bets and then wait till the next 12 and again only 3 bets but continu the progression. you often win on the first 3 attempts.

Something to look at later. Thanks
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 09:04 PM 2015
Worth testing folks .... here's a real session at Rivers in Pittsburgh:


Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 09:15 PM 2015
Quote from: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 09:04 PM 2015
Worth testing folks .... here's a real session at Rivers in Pittsburgh:

Been there twice. Friend moved to pittsburgh
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 10:01 PM 2015
Funny, I was there visiting as well.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 29, 10:02 PM 2015
Quote from: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 10:01 PM 2015
Funny, I was there visiting as well.

My friend works at the hotel next door to the stadium for the Steelers
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 30, 06:55 AM 2015
Quote from: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 09:04 PM 2015
Worth testing folks .... here's a real session at Rivers in Pittsburgh:

I agree Wally Gator needs testing. Like todays Jackpot joy took a hit. I like Ray manz idea about bet just 3 times, but carry on the progression next time.

Any more ideas welcomed
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 31, 05:58 PM 2015
Wally Gator
Will you be testing this idea
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 31, 06:52 PM 2015
Quote from: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 09:04 PM 2015
Worth testing folks .... here's a real session at Rivers in Pittsburgh:

With Ray and Jimmie idea not as much as Wally betting full prog, but makes 276
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 31, 07:40 PM 2015
Ghost, Aus, Wally,noreilles Happy New year
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 31, 09:48 PM 2015
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 31, 07:40 PM 2015
Ghost, Aus, Wally,noreilles Happy New year

Happy new year buddy
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: Wally Gator on Jan 01, 09:14 PM 2016
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 31, 05:58 PM 2015
Wally Gator
Will you be testing this idea

I have been, yes.  So far, no losing sessions, but they're coming.  This is a great addition to the toolbox.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 02, 06:59 AM 2016
Mister Gator

The progression seems the stumbling part of this idea. Any ideas
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: Wally Gator on Jan 02, 08:05 PM 2016
Certainly there are many progressions that can work effectively with this best selection, however, it's really up to the individual and their method of play and comfort level.  There are many hits on the 1st betting opportunity after 12 uniques.  So, if you're looking for something because you'll be wiped out after the 732 units of the 9 step progression, something like 112, 223, 334, etc... Until a hit or 9 spins unhit and resume after the next 12 unique, and then play that 3 step prog as a single sequence, moving up one and down one. (e.g. Let's say we consider a mini game to be the 12 uniques and the first hit, so if you played the 12 uniques and then bet 112, 223, 334 for nine spins and nothing hits, then you'd stop playing, wait for the hit, then begin the next mini game and the first bet sequence would be 455.  If you hit within the first 3 spins the next mini game would drop to 334, and so on.). You have to watch to see what's going on as there are better sequences to play than others.  You may also find that you'd like to keep this as a 6 step prog and not a 9.  Again, it's all up to the individual playing and their style.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 11, 03:37 PM 2016
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 20, 02:27 PM 2015
How did the 1st set go, celescliff shows good results

Shuttle  How did the 1st set go
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: shuttle on Jan 11, 10:26 PM 2016
Hi NTH

I'm sorry I can't remember as I deleted the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Apr 05, 05:05 PM 2016
Just blow the dust off this
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: NextYear on Apr 06, 01:25 AM 2016
He, he, you got lot of furniture to take care of!
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: PeaBea65 on May 20, 03:34 PM 2016
Did this one die or just get forgotten?
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 14, 08:31 AM 2016
No still look at it
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 19, 05:42 AM 2016
Looking from Gut, how would the 1st 13 spins,perform?
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 02:21 PM 2021
Ross, Gian
I'd think most ideas have been looked at

1st 12 uniques and you start betting
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: alexlaf on Jun 18, 06:24 AM 2021
perfect...
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 18, 09:47 AM 2021
Do you know Grandpaaway? 9 number bet
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 18, 09:58 AM 2021
Your answer to 3-4-5
Title: Re: 1st 12#'s in X spins
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 18, 10:19 AM 2021
If you do bet think Granp's say's bet only 4 times.