A new idea stemming from MATRIX and PATTERN BREAKER methods....
Profit Trickler
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Use HIGH/LOW results
Record lines of 5 in matrix fashion.
Begin when 2 lines are recorded.
STEP 1
Look at last 2 lines.
If there are 2 OR MORE matching vertical doubles then proceed to next step.
If there are not 2 OR MORE matching vertical doubles then record another complete line of 5 results under those and return to Step 1.
STEP 2
Bet against the vertical triples occurring ON THAT LINE starting at the appropriate point in the progression.
If/when **ANY** winning bet obtained immediately STOP betting on that line, but continue to record results until the line is complete.
When line is complete go to Step 1.
PROGRESSION
Start at 0.5u. Increase by 0.5u after a loss.
Reduce to starting bet of 0.5u if level or ahead; otherwise reduce next bet to commence at 0.5u lower than last amount staked. (for instance if win @ 2u but still behind the overall recorded bankroll high total - then next bet will be 1.5u)
EXAMPLE
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L L H H H
H L H H L
H L L L H-----L-0.5; W+1 +0.5*
H L L H L-----L-0.5; L-1 -1
L L H L L-----W+1.5 +0.5*
L L H L L-----NO BET
H H L L L-----W+0.5 +1*
L L L L H------L-0.5; W+1 +1.5*
H H H H H----W+0.5 +2*
H L H L L-----NO BET
L H H H L-----W+0.5 +2.5*
H H L L H-----W+0.5 +3*
L H 0 L L------NO BET
L L L H L------W+0.5 +3.5*
H L L L H------W+0.5 +4*
L L 0 H L------L-0.5; L-1 +2.5
H H L L L------NO BET
H L L L L------NO BET
L H H L H------L-1.5; W+2 +3
H L L H H------NO BET
H H H H H-----NO BET
H L H H L------L-1.5; L-2; W+2.5 +2
L L L H H------W+2 +4*
H H H H H-----W+0.5 +4.5*
L L H H L------L-0.5; W+1 +5*
H L H L L------L-0.5; W+1 +5.5*
L L 0 H L------L-0.5; L-1; L-1.5 +2.5
H H L H L-----W+2 +4.5
L H H H L-----L-1.5; L-2 +1
0 L L L L------W+2.5 +3.5
L L L L L-------NO BET
H H L H H-----W+2 +5.5*
*= EQ HIGH OR NEW HIGH
A.
NOTE TO SELF: Still needing much testing... :)
Another session following on....
H H L H H
L L H 0 H
L L L L L------NO BET
H H H L L-----W+0.5 +0.5*
L L L L H------L-0.5; W+1 +1*
H L L L H-----NO BET
H 0 L H H-----L-0.5; L-1; W+1.5 +1*
L L H L H-----W+0.5 +1.5*
L L L H H-----NO BET
L H L L H-----W+0.5 +2*
0 H L H L-----L-0.5; L-1; W+1.5 +2*
L L H L H-----L-0.5; W+1 +2.5*
H L L H L-----NO BET
H L L L L-----NO BET
H H H L H----L-0.5; W+1 +3*
H H L L H-----L-0.5; W+1 +3.5*
H L L H L-----L-0.5; W+1 +4*
0 H H H L-----L-0.5; W+1 +4.5*
L L L L H------W+0.5 +5*
Final session today:
H H H L 0
H H L H H
L L H H H ---W+0.5 +0.5*
H L H L L ---NO BET
L H L L L ---W+0.5 +1*
H H H L L ---L-0.5; L-1 -0.5
L L H L L ---W+1.5 +1*
L L L L H ---L-0.5; L-1; W+1.5 +1*
H H L H L ---W+0.5 +1.5*
L L H H H ---NO BET
L H H L L---NO BET
H L H H H---W+0.5 +2*
H L H L L ---NO BET
L H L L L ---W+0.5 +2.5*
H L L H L ---W+0.5 +3*
H H L H L ---L-0.5; L-1 +1.5
L L H H H ---W+1.5 +3*
H H L H H ---NO BET
L L L H H ---L-0.5; L-1 +1.5
L L H H H ---W+1.5 +3*
L H L H H ---L-0.5; W+1 +3.5*
L H L L L ---L-0.5; L-1; W+1.5 +3.5*
L L 0 H H ---W+0.5 +4*
L H L H H ---NO BET
H H L L H ---W+0.5 +4.5*
L H L L H ---L-0.5; L-1; L-1.5 +1.5
H L L L L ---W+2 +3.5
L H L L L ---L-1.5; L-2 +0
L H L H L ---L-3; W+3.5 +0.5
H H H L H ---W+3 +3.5
L H H L H ---NO BET
L L L L L ---W+2.5 +6*
A.
Nice one Atlantis :)
Testing.
Hi,
It's a while since I looked at this again - but I made 2 revisions. First revision is to STEP 1...
STEP 1
Look at last 2 lines.
If there are 3 OR MORE matching vertical doubles then proceed to next step.
If there are not 3 OR MORE matching vertical doubles then record another complete line of 5 results under those and return to Step 1.
The second revision is that If a ZERO occurs, I record it in the matrix as a "H" result.
EXAMPLE
======
L H L L L
H H H L L
L L H L L ---W+0.5@2nd +0.5
L L L L H ---W+0.5@3rd +1.0
H H L H L ---W+0.5@1st +1.5
L L H H H ---NO BET
L H H L L--- NO BET
H L H H H--- NO BET
H L H L L --- NO BET
L H L L L --- W+0.5@1st +2.0
L H L H H --- NO BET
L H H H L ---L-0.5@1st; L-1@2nd; W1.5@3rd +2.0
H H L L L --- W+0.5@1st +2.5
L H L H L --- NO BET
The main change is you must wait for THREE matching vert dbls to qualify instead of the previous two matches.
A.
Hi, atlantis,
thank you for your excellent idea of this "Profit Trickler".
I ve tested it with real money on a 4 wide matrix like:
H H H L
L H H H
so i began to bet in the third row
against the second H-
if win end if loose bet against third H
and so on...
Only betting if minimum of 2 same H or L.
Then I began to extend to Even and Odd , so sometimes I had to bet par. ex. on H and O or L and O or similar situations.
My progression was plus 1 on a loss minus 1 on a win.
In higher stakes I ve put a small amount on Zero.
My progression on H/L and E/O was :
progression string on H/L and another progression string on E/O, so it could be that you bet 3 units on par ex. H and 2 units on E and par ex a small amount on Zero.
If there hits there is in most of the games a win , when a new high is reached you can begin with 1 unit on H/L or E/O.
Till yet it works pretty good .
Best regards
kawa4711
I am testing too.
I would suggest:
- if there are 3 OR MORE matching vertical doubles then in next line bet against the vertical triples occurring (as atlantis suggested!)
- if there are less then 3 matching vertical doubles then in next line bet for the vertical doubles occurring
You get much more bets and I think (after first tests) its much more affective too!
Quote from: marivo on Jun 07, 08:15 AM 2011
I would suggest:
- if there are 3 OR MORE matching vertical doubles then in next line bet against the vertical triples occurring (as atlantis suggested!)
- if there are less then 3 matching vertical doubles then in next line bet for the vertical doubles occurring
You get much more bets and I think (after first tests) its much more affective too!
this is actually a good system. the goodness of it is protecting the bankroll and no nasty martingale.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 07, 07:59 PM 2011
this is actually a good system. the goodness of it is protecting the bankroll and no nasty martingale.
the 3-5 unit profit target per session. if you have $30 units it is a good session.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 07, 07:59 PM 2011
this is actually a good system. the goodness of it is protecting the bankroll and no nasty martingale.
the progression that is being touted here is called modified d'alembert strategy. you increase a bit on loss, and take back for a win. the benefits are - less bankroll threat, and no need to multiply to infinity. the disadvantages - long win streak followed by alternating win /loss, isn't good, as winners are occurring @ 1 unit, and losers are at higher units. and you still need more wins and losses.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 08, 02:53 AM 2011
the progression that is being touted here is called modified d'alembert strategy. you increase a bit on loss, and take back for a win. the benefits are - less bankroll threat, and no need to multiply to infinity. the disadvantages - long win streak followed by alternating win /loss, isn't good, as winners are occurring @ 1 unit, and losers are at higher units. and you still need more wins and losses.
you can simply modify d'alembert other ways.
example:
start bet 20 units: increase +3 on a loss / decrease -4 on a win
end progression as soon as wins and losses even out.
what do you think of this? have you tried it yet?
Cheers,
AL
It works, as long as its fairly alternate and even, or where winners >= losers
actually you can have 10 losers, 10 winners, and be out on top. you'd make around 30 units total(-f -4 +3)
Profit Trickler Plus
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Here I revise and extend my earlier ideas for this EC system:
Use *alternating* HIGH/LOW and ODD/EVEN results
Record lines of 6 in matrix fashion.
Begin when 2 lines are recorded eg:
H E L E L O
L E L O H O
STEP 1
Look at last 2 lines.
If there are 3 OR MORE matching vertical doubles then proceed to next step.
If there are not 3 OR MORE matching vertical doubles then record another complete line of 6
results under those and return to Step 1.
STEP 2
Bet against the vertical triples occurring ON THAT LINE starting at the appropriate point in the
progression.
If/when **ANY** winning bet obtained immediately STOP betting on that line, but continue to
record results until the line is complete.
When line is complete go to Step 1.
PROGRESSION
Start at 0.5u. Increase by 0.5u after a loss.
Reduce to starting bet of 0.5u if level or ahead; otherwise reduce next bet to commence at 0.5u
lower than last amount staked. (for instance if win @ 2u but still behind the overall recorded
bankroll high total - then next bet will be 1.5u)
IN THE EXAMPLES I RECORD THE ZERO AS A HIGH or EVEN RESULT
(or PLAY ON NOZERO ROULETTE...)
EXAMPLE
========
H O H E L O
L E L O L O
H O L O L E
H E H O L O L0.5@1; L1@3; L1.5@5 -3
L O H O H O L2@1; L2.5@4; W3@6 -4.5
L O L E L E W2.5@3 -2
L E H O H O L2@1; W2.5@2 -1.5
H E L O H O
H O H O L O W2@2 +0.5
H E L E H E L0.5@1; W1@4 +1
L O H O L O
H E L O L E
H O L O H O
L O L O H E W0.5@1 +1.5
H O L E L O L0.5@2; L1@3; W1.5@4 +1.5
H E H O H O
L O H E H E
H O L O H E
L E L O H E L0.5@2; L1@5; W1.5@6 +1.5
L O H E L E W0.5@3 +2
H E H O L O
L O H O H E
H O H O L E
L E H E H O W0.5@2 +2.5
H E L O H O
H O L E L O W0.5@2 +3
L = = = = = W0.5@1 +3.5 STOP
Here are the same results but now for even faster action - betting against ALL triples forming. In
this example the rules of STEP 1 and STEP 2 are ignored but the progression is the same.
H O H E L O
L E L O L O
H O L O L E L0.5@5; W1@6 +0.5
H E H O L O W0.5@3; L0.5@4; L1@5 -0.5
L O H O H O W1.5@1; L0.5@4; W1@5 +1.5
L O L E L E W0.5@3; W0.5@4; W0.5@6 +3
L E H O H O L0.5@1; W1@2 +3.5
H E L O H O W0.5@1 +4
H O H O L O W0.5@2; L0.5@4; L1@6 +3
H E L E H E L1.5@1; W2@4; W0.5@6 +4
L O H O L O W0.5@1 +4
H E L O L E
H O L O H O L0.5@4; W1@5 +4.5
L O L O H E W0.5@1; L0.5@3; L1@4 +3.5
H O L E L O L1.5@2; L2@3; W2.5@4; W2@5 +4.5
H E H O H O W0.5@2; W0.5@3 +5.5
L O H E H E W0.5@1; W0.5@6 +6.5
H O L O H E W0.5@3; L0.5@5 +6.5
L E L O H E W0.5@2; L0.5@5; L1@6 +5.5
L O H E L E W1.5@3; W0.5@4; W0.5@5; L0.5@6 +7.5
H E H O L O W0.5@1; W0.5@6 +8.5
L O H O H E L0.5@3; W1@5 +9
H O H O L E L0.5@3; L1@4 +7.5
L E H E H O W1.5@2; L0.5@3; W1@4; W0.5@6 +9.5
H E L O H O W0.5@3 +10
H O L E L O W0.5@2; W0.5@5; L0.5@6 +10.5
L = = = = = W0.5 =STOP= +11
Good Luck and Happy Winnings,
Atlantis.
Thank you Atlantis!
Another Way to play as others have said in another post.
Use a six-step progression of:
0.5, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 = 31.5 units total at risk.
Record ONE line then commence betting and continue recording results.
Play the opposite EC of the result in the vertical line directly above...
STOP AT A WINNER on that line and continue recording until line complete.
Here are same results as previous post....
H O H E L O - Record first line and then play opposite
L E L O L O W0.5@1st position
H O L O L E W0.5@1
H E H O L O W0.5@2
L O H O H O W0.5@1
L O L E L E W0.5@3
L E H O H O W0.5@2
H E L O H O W0.5@1
H O H O L O W0.5@2
H E L E H E W0.5@2
L O H O L O W0.5@1
H E L O L E W0.5@1
H O L O H O W0.5@2
L O L O H E W0.5@1
H O L E L O W0.5@1
H E H O H O W0.5@2
L O H E H E W0.5@1
H O L O H E W0.5@1
L E L O H E W0.5@1
L O H E L E W0.5@2
H E H O L O W0.5@1
L O H O H E W0.5@1
H O H O L E W0.5@1
L E H E H O W0.5@1
H E L O H O W0.5@1
H O L E L O W0.5@2
L = = = = = W0.5@1
26 lines x 0.5 wins = +13 units
A.
Tx Atlantis.
which version you recommend?
last one is cool
Trying a different way:
Record H/L results in MATRIX 5
After 2 consecutive matching vertical doubles; play for non-match using 0.5 increments until win. After any win reduce the stake by 0.5 for next bet.
Reduce stake to 0.5 when level or new high in bankroll...
Always stop at a winner on a line
You only continue betting on to next line if a losing bet was struck on the preceding line --- in other words carry on betting on to next line - until win.
You can only start betting after a double match on the current line (unless the 2 consecutive matches are on columns 4 and 5 in which case no bet)
L L H H H
H L H H L --- L0.5; w1 +0.5
H L L L H--- w0.5 +1
H L L H L-----L0.5; w1 +1.5
L L H L L---- nb
L L H L L-----L0.5, L1, L1.5 -1.5
H H L L L-----w2 +0.5
L L L L H------w0.5 +1
H H H H H----nb
H L H L L-----nb
L H H H L-----nb
H H L L H-----nb
L H 0 L L------nb
L L L H L------nb
H L L L H------w0.5 +1.5
L L 0 H L------nb
H H L L L------nb
H L L L L------L0.5 +1
L H H L H-----w1 +2
H L L H H-----nb
H H H H H----nb
H L H H L------w0.5 +2.5
L L L H H------nb
H H H H H-----nb
L L H H L------w0.5 +3
H L H L L------w0.5 +3.5
L L 0 H L------nb
H H L H L-----nb
L H H H L-----nb
0 L L L L------nb
L L L L L------L0.5; L1 +2
H H L H H----w1.5 +3.5
H H L H H
L L H 0 H----nb
L L L L L-----w0.5 +0.5
H H H L L----nb
L L L L H-----nb
H L L L H-----L0.5; L1
H 0 L H H-----L1.5; L2; L2.5; w3 -2.5
L L H L H-----nb
L L L H H-----w2.5 +0
L H L L H-----nb
0 H L H L-----w2 +2
L L H L H-----nb
H L L H L-----nb
H L L L L-----L0.5, w1 +2.5
H H H L H----nb
H H L L H-----w0.5 +3
H L L H L-----nb
0 H H H L-----nb
L L L L H------nb
H H H L 0
H H L H H---w0.5 +0.5
L L H H H ---nb
H L H L L ---nb
L H L L L ---nb
H H H L L --nb
L L H L L ---L0.5 +0
L L L L H ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
H H L H L ---nb
L L H H H ---nb
L H H L L---nb
H L H H H---nb
H L H L L ---L1.5; w2 +0
L H L L L ---nb
H L L H L ---nb
H H L H L ---L0.5 -0.5
L L H H H ---w1 +0.5
H H L H H ---nb
L L L H H ---L0.5 +0
L L H H H ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
L H L H H ---nb
L H L L L ---L1.5; w2 +0
L L 0 H H ---nb
L H L H H ---nb
H H L L H ---w0.5 +0.5
L H L L H ---L0.5; L1 -1
H L L L L ---w1.5 +0.5
L H L L L ---L0.5 +0
L H L H L ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
H H H L H --nb
L H H L H ---L1.5; L2 -4
L L L L L ---L2.5; w3 -3.5
H L L H H---w2.5 -1
H L H L H---w2 +1
A.
*edited
HI Atlantis these ideas are all superb. Recently ive been re~exploring their value within the 3 wide matrix I use for Pattern Breaker. Typically betting against a vertical quad becoming a 5. Across all three even chances 120 spins~40 cycles delivers an average of 12 quads. And nearly always less than 12 that go to 5 or more. Which means most sessions will show a profit flat betting. typical split 12/9 Thats why I like Quads less go beyond them.
Quick session on Wiesbaden Table #2 yesterday 26 Jun 2012
L H H L H
H L H H L
L L H L H------w0.5 +0.5
L L L L L ------w0.5 +1
H L H H H
H L L L H------w0.5 +1.5
L L L H H------w0.5 +2
L H 0 L L
L H L H H------w0.5 +2.5
L H L L x-------L0.5; w1 +3
A.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 27, 10:39 AM 2012
HI Atlantis these ideas are all superb. Recently I've been re~exploring their value within the 3 wide matrix I use for Pattern Breaker. Typically betting against a vertical quad becoming a 5. Across all three even chances 120 spins~40 cycles delivers an average of 12 quads. And nearly always less than 12 that go to 5 or more. Which means most sessions will show a profit flat betting. typical split 12/9 that's why I like Quads less go beyond them.
Hi JL,
I'm looking forward to these revelations of a revised matrix system you mentioned. I suppose it won't be till after the JL Challenge is complete now though?
A.
Same as previous session except without the matching triggers rule.
Just betting against vertical doubles. Same progression. If level or plus after a line - reset to 0.5 else continue at current stake + 0.5
L H H L H
H L H H L----w0.5, w0.5, L0.5, w1, w0.5 = +2
L L H L H-----w0.5, L0.5, L1, w1.5, w1 = +3.5
L L L L L -----L0.5, L1, w1.5, L1, w1.5 = +4
H L H H H----w0.5, L1, w1.5, w1, w0.5 = +6.5
H L L L H-----L0.5, L1, w1.5, w1, L0.5 = +7
L L L H H-----w0.5, L0.5, L1, w1.5, L1 = +6.5
L H 0 L L------L1.5, w2, L1.5, w2, w1.5 = +9
L H L H H-----L0.5, L1, nb(0), w1.5, w1 = +10
L H L L x----- L0.5, L1, L1.5, w2, stop = +9
More bets and profit higher played this way on this example.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 27, 11:48 AM 2012
Hi JL,
I'm looking forward to these revelations of a revised matrix system you mentioned. I suppose it won't be till after the JL Challenge is complete now though?
A.
Hi Atlantis, actually it will be during the challenge until I double the BR to 400 units I will be using only even money methods. so QUAD 120 will definately be in there. I played a session today and had a nice 11/6 split which resulted in 5 units profit. If I get off to a flying start though and win the first three bets in a session. LOCKDOWN rule kicks in. As that is the average profit margin. This may end up being the closest thing to a true even money grail.
Out of every ten sessions you play you can expect to win around 7 lose 1 or 2 and break even on 1. But overall random can't defeat this one its just too natural. Again its a percentage game. those QUADS dominate the frame the vast majority of the time. And the beauty of Even money bets is you only need to lay 1 to win 1. Watch it in action soon. Bayes tried to send the file for the RNG to my email but it hasn't worked. I think he will have to upload it to the repository on here. So when he does the challenge shall commence...
Quick 30 spin session now at Ladbrokes Live auto-roulette (low limit wheel)
H L H L L - record first line
L H L L L - w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, L0.5, L1 = +0
H L L H L - w0.5, w0.5, L0.5, w1, L0.5 = +1
H L L L H - L0.5, L1, L1.5, w2, w1.5 = +1.5
L H H H L - w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, w0.5 = +4
H L H H H - w0.5, w0.5, L0.5, L1, w1.5 = +5
A.
JohnLegend wrote:
Quote
Out of every ten sessions you play you can expect to win around 7 lose 1 or 2 and break even on 1. But overall random can't defeat this one its just too natural. Again its a percentage game. those QUADS dominate the frame the vast majority of the time. And the beauty of Even money bets is you only need to lay 1 to win 1. Watch it in action soon.
Sounds brilliant, mate. Great news. Exciting times ahead for all and a fascinating challenge too!
It's like the olympics are here already!!!! :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 27, 03:22 PM 2012
JohnLegend wrote:
Sounds brilliant, mate. Great news. Exciting times ahead for all and a fascinating challenge too!
It's like the olympics are here already!!!! :)
A.
Yes and Im going for gold. I should have my first session played by tomorrow. I await Bayes return so he can get the RNG sofware in the repository.
3 tests today on current Wiesbaden numbers for 27 June 2012.
Continuous play as previous examples:
Table#2 = +4 in 15 spins (highest bet=1)
Table#4 = +4.5 in 60 spins (highest bet=5.5)
Table#7 = +5.5 in 15 spins (highest bet=3)
A.
I'm going to test this one A,
Well done mate it has a nice simple elegance to it and the progression is safe enough to not get too deep in a hole
BW
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 27, 10:04 AM 2012
H H H L 0
H H L H H---w0.5 +0.5
L L H H H ---nb
H L H L L ---nb
L H L L L ---nb
H H H L L --nb
L L H L L ---L0.5 +0
L L L L H ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
H H L H L ---nb
L L H H H ---nb
L H H L L---nb
H L H H H---nb
H L H L L ---L1.5; w2 +0
L H L L L ---nb
H L L H L ---nb
H H L H L ---L0.5 -0.5
L L H H H ---w1 +0.5
H H L H H ---nb
L L L H H ---L0.5 +0
L L H H H ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
L H L H H ---nb
L H L L L ---L1.5; w2 +0
L L 0 H H ---nb
L H L H H ---nb
H H L L H ---w0.5 +0.5
L H L L H ---L0.5; L1 -1
H L L L L ---w1.5 +0.5
L H L L L ---L0.5 +0
L H L H L ---L1; L1.5; w2 -0.5
H H H L H --nb
L H H L H ---L1.5; L2 -4
L L L L L ---L2.5; w3 -3.5
H L L H H---w2.5 -1
H L H L H---w2 +1
Same session replayed with FLATBETTING @ 0.5u (betting continuous without dual match trigger)
H H H L 0
H H L H H---llwwl -0.5
L L H H H ---:ll +0
H L H L L ---wwlww +1.5
L H L L L ---:ll +2
H H H L L --wlwll +1.5
L L H L L ---wwlll +1
L L L L H ---llwlw +0.5
H H L H L ---wwlww +2
L L H H H ---:lw +3.5
L H H L L---lwlww +4
H L H H H---wwlww +5.5
H L H L L ---lllww +5
L H L L L ---:ll +5.5
H L L H L ---wwlwl +6
H H L H L ---lwlll +4.5
L L H H H ---:lw +6
H H L H H ---:ll +6.5
L L L H H ---wwlll +6
L L H H H ---llwll +4.5
L H L H H ---lwwll +4
L H L L L ---lllww +3.5
L L 0 H H ---lwlww +4
L H L H H ---lwxll +3
H H L L H ---wllwl +2.5
L H L L H ---wllll +1
H L L L L ---wwllw +1.5
L H L L L ---wwlll +1
L H L H L ---lllwl -0.5
H H H L H --wl: +1
L H H L H ---wllll -0.5
L L L L L ---lwwlw +0
H L L H H---wllww +0.5
H L H L H---llwwl +0
A.
Atlantis I have tested this against 284 bacarat B/P decisions
I used 1 instead of 0,5 so it would be easier to calculate so you just cut everything in half and you have with 0,5
total end: 97
highest bet: 8
worst line: -14 (i had 3 lines go negative in a row so thats why)
I had 3 lines in a row go negative as the worst, and 5 positive in a row as the best
hope it helps you a bit
I tested on bacarat decisions because i think it would be better played there cause of the no zero
I ignored the banker commision of 5% for easier calculating
Is that +97 soggett? If so that's impressive
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 28, 06:59 AM 2012
Is that +97 soggett? If so that's impressive
Yep, i think so too
needs more testing though but so far so good ;)
OK. Thanks soggett,
Of course we have BV NoZero with even smaller stakes; but that is r.n.g. and I would rather play on live dealer or live autospin with real numbers...
It's just I like playing with lower stake values so I might play this with £100-£200 bankroll hit-n-run hopefully with a lockstop of +3 or +4 per session. The last way I posted is not too dissimilar to JL's "Code20" but with 5-step High/Low matrix instead. Possibly played over his "frames" idea and flatbetting it might also be worth trying out... Perhaps a stop betting rule if a string of L's occur until a virtual win happens before restart? (6 L's in a row?)
Thanks BuffaloWizard for any testing results and findings.
A.
LHHHH
LLHLH. 0
HHLHH. +1.5
HLLLH. 0
HLHHH. 0
HHHLH. 0
LHLHL. +1,5
LLLLL. 0
Atlantis can you check I got these results right? Most lines ended level but still positive overall
HHHHH
LLLLH. +1.5
HLHLH. -0.5
LHHLL. +1
LHHHL. -2.5
LHHHL. -7.5
LHLHL. -1.5
HLLHL. -2
Atlantis a tricky session that one. It has raised a question though. Does the progression carry on to the next line or is it line specific of you k is what I mean?
Cheers
OK BuffaloWizard:
Continuous with progression:
LHHHH
LLHLH -L0.5, w1, L0.5, w1, L0.5 = +0.5
HHLHH -w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, L0.5 = +2
HLLLH -L0.5, w1, L0.5, w1, L0.5 = +2.5
HLHHH -L0.5, L1, w1.5, w1, L0.5 = +3
HHHLH -L0.5, w1, L0.5, w1, L0.5 = +3.5
LHLHL -w0.5, L0.5, w1, w0.5, w0.5 = +5.5
LLLLL -L0.5, w1, L0.5, w1, L0.5 = +6
Flatbetting:
LHHHH
LLHLH. lwlwl = -0.5
HHLHH :wl = +1
HLLLH lwlwl = +0.5
HLHHH llwwl = +0
HHHLH lwlwl = -0.5
LHLHL wl: = +1
LLLLL l:l = +1.5
A.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 28, 07:45 AM 2012
HHHHH
LLLLH +1.5
HLHLH -0.5
LHHLL +1
LHHHL -2.5
LHHHL -7.5
LHLHL -1.5
HLLHL -2
Atlantis a tricky session that one. It has raised a question though. Does the progression carry on to the next line or is it line specific of you k is what I mean?
Cheers
HHHHH
LLLLH w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, L0.5 = +1.5 (ahead at end of line so reduce to 0.5)
HLHLH w0.5, L0.5, w1, L0.5, L1 = +1 (behind at end of line so increase to 1.5)
LHHLL w1.5, w1, L0.5, L1, w1.5 = +3.5 (ahead at end of line so reduce to 0.5)
LHHHL L0.5, L1, L1.5, w2, L1.5 = +1 (behind at end of line so increase to 2)
LHHHL L2, L2.5, L3, L3.5, L4 = -14 (behind at end of line so increase to 4.5)
LHLHL L4.5, L5, w5.5, L5, L5.5 = -28.5 (behind at end of line so increase to 5.5)
HLLHL w6, w5.5, w5, L4.5, L5 = -21.5 (behind at end of line so increase to 5.5)
Flatbetting:
HHHHH
LLLLH :wl = +1.5
HLHLH wlwll = +1
LHHLL. wwllw = +1.5
LHHHL. lllwl = +0
LHHHL. lllll = -2.5
LHLHL. llwll = -4
HLLHL. wwlll = -4.5
A.
Hi Buff,
It may be that the better (safer) way is still the original idea with trigger and rules as posted in Reply #17 on the topic... Think that's the way soggett tested on bacc?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 28, 08:19 AM 2012
Hi Buff,
It may be that the better (safer) way is still the original idea with trigger and rules as posted in Reply #17 on the topic... Think that's the way soggett tested on bacc?
A.
actually i tested the latest version - betting against vertical dobules which just means bet against the above line, right?
maybe I just had a good streak?
Hi BW,
Your session with a "stop after 6 losers rule":
HHHHH
LLLLH w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, L0.5 = +1.5 (ahead at end of line so reduce to 0.5)
HLHLH w0.5, L0.5, w1, L0.5, L1 = +1 (behind at end of line so increase to 1.5)
LHHLL w1.5, w1, L0.5, L1, w1.5 = +3.5 (ahead at end of line so reduce to 0.5)
LHHHL L0.5, L1, L1.5, w2, L1.5 = +1 (behind at end of line so increase to 2)
LHHHL L2, STOP UNTIL VWIN = -1 (behind at end of line so increase to 2.5)
LHLHL nb, nb, vwin, L2.5, L3 = -6.5 (behind at end of line so increase to 3.5)
HLLHL w3.5, w3, w2.5, L2, L2.5 = -2 (behind at end of line so increase to 3)
Bit better, one more win and back in front!
A.
Can always go back to earlier idea - betting against vertical triples forming...
I refresh updated rules here. (uses same progression)
(A) Look at last 2 lines.
If there are 3 OR MORE matching vertical doubles present somewhere on the last 2 lines then proceed to bet against them forming into triples on the next line.
(B) If there are not 3 OR MORE matching vertical doubles then record another complete line of 5 results under the current line and return to (A)
(C) Stop at ANY winner on the line.
(D) Stop betting should you encounter 6 consecutive losses in a row until a virtual win is noted, after which re-commence betting at the next point in the progression.
EXAMPLE
======
L H L L L
H H H L L
L L H L L -- w0.5 @ 2nd +0.5
L L L L H ---w0.5 @ 3rd +1.0
H H L H L ---w0.5 @ 1st +1.5
L L H H H ---NO BET
L H H L L--- NO BET
H L H H H--- NO BET
H L H L L --- NO BET
L H L L L --- w0.5 @ 1st +2.0
L H L H H --- NO BET
L H H H L ---L-0.5 @ 1st; L-1 @ 2nd; w1.5 @ 3rd +2.0
H H L L L --- w0.5 @ 1st +2.5
L H L H L --- NO BET
Good Luck.
A.
Yes. Seems much better this way :)
H H H L 0
H H L H H---record 2 lines
L L H H H ---nb
H L H L L ---nb
L H L L L ---nb
H H H L L --trigger (at least 3 vert. doubles formed on last 2 lines)
L L H L L ---w0.5 @ col2 ; trigger +0.5
L L L L H ---w0.5 @ col4 ; trigger +1
H H L H L ---w0.5 @ col1 +1.5
L L H H H ---nb
L H H L L---- nb
H L H H H---nb
H L H L L ---nb ; trigger
L H L L L ---w0.5 @ col1 +2
H L L H L ---nb
H H L H L ---nb ; trigger
L L H H H ---w0.5 @ col1 +2.5
H H L H H ---nb
L L L H H ---nb
L L H H H ---trigger
L H L H H ---L0.5 @ col1; w1 @ col2 ; trigger +3
L H L L L ---L0.5 @ col1; w1 @ col4 ; trigger +3.5
L L 0 H H ---L0.5 @ col1; w1 @ col2 +4
L H L H H ---nb ; trigger
H H L L H ---w0.5 @ col1; trigger +4.5
L H L L H ---L0.5 @ 2; L1 @ col3; L1.5 @ col5 ;trigger +1.5
H L L L L ---w2 @ col2 +3.5
L H L L L ---nb; trigger
L H L H L ---L1.5 @ col3; w2 @ col4; trigger +4
H H H L H --w1.5 @ col1 +5.5
L H H L H ---nb; trigger
L L L L L ----w0.5 @ col2 +6
H L L H H---nb
H L H L H---nb; trigger
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Betting against doubles becoming trebles is safer than bet for doubles to become trebles.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 28, 10:14 AM 2012
Betting against doubles becoming trebles is safer than bet for doubles to become trebles.
Agreed John. (I know you prefer quads and quintuplets though! :) )
There's a lot to be said for those past MATRIX VERTICAL methods on the forum. They are a very good read indeed - and bring back some good memories. ;)
Yes Atlantis it makes the breakdown more predictable. And what I always want is as much control over random as possible. Imagine you know that over a given number of spins something always happens a minumum number of times. You start to take the random out of random. Hope bayes is sorting out the RNG Im ready to show all this in action.
How many methods did we have recently trying 2 capitalize on Dz or Cl betting?
It usually starts with some reheated scheme like sorry last BW method. 1,2 (2 different Dz hit) hit than u bet against 3rd Dz hit 2 times with 1,3 Marty. Come on.... How many times do u see 1,2,3,3 sequence or 1,3,2,2 sequence? Some members report strike ratio of 13/0 or similar and everybody gets excited n suddenly somebody reports few big losing sessions n a method gets forgotten. Some members of this forum try 2 tweak it but it is a losing proposition.There is no remedy 4 flawed concept. No fancy progression is going 2 save it. Best case scenario is 2 delay an inevitable loss. ' Just my observation. Some members thought that recently this forum was flooded with some very promising methods.... Where r they? I always take quality over quantity n this forum should not be a popularity contest ;D
Sorry for the sub standard systems robby! Hopefully some people like 'em though or take something from them. Ultimately however we try to dress it up, original or not, we're trying to fit square pegs in round holes
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 28, 12:21 PM 2012
Sorry for the sub standard systems robby! Hopefully some people like 'em though or take something from them. Ultimately however we try to dress it up, original or not, we're trying to fit square pegs in round holes
Do not be BW. Sorry i quoted yr method ;D It was just one of last ones posted. And i do not put down any method just 4 sake of it. Generally very skeptical about anything involving any progression.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 28, 08:09 AM 2012
HHHHH
LLLLH w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, w0.5, L0.5 = +1.5 (ahead at end of line so reduce to 0.5)
HLHLH w0.5, L0.5, w1, L0.5, L1 = +1 (behind at end of line so increase to 1.5)
LHHLL w1.5, w1, L0.5, L1, w1.5 = +3.5 (ahead at end of line so reduce to 0.5)
LHHHL L0.5, L1, L1.5, w2, L1.5 = +1 (behind at end of line so increase to 2)
LHHHL L2, L2.5, L3, L3.5, L4 = -14 (behind at end of line so increase to 4.5)
LHLHL L4.5, L5, w5.5, L5, L5.5 = -28.5 (behind at end of line so increase to 5.5)
HLLHL w6, w5.5, w5, L4.5, L5 = -21.5 (behind at end of line so increase to 5.5)
Flatbetting:
HHHHH
LLLLH :wl = +1.5
HLHLH wlwll = +1
LHHLL. wwllw = +1.5
LHHHL. lllwl = +0
LHHHL. lllll = -2.5
LHLHL. llwll = -4
HLLHL. wwlll = -4.5
A.
Hi Atlantis, have played my first session on Bayes RNG. Finished with a balance of 205 units. So thats 5 for the session. Using Pattern 7 and Pattern Breaker. Problem with saving results though. And I am not sure Bayes got a copy sent to his email. Luckily the RNG saves your current balance just not the way you got there.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 28, 02:25 PM 2012
Hi Atlantis, have played my first session on Bayes RNG. Finished with a balance of 205 units. So that's 5 for the session. Using Pattern 7 and Pattern Breaker. Problem with saving results though. And I am not sure Bayes got a copy sent to his email. Luckily the RNG saves your current balance just not the way you got there.
Hello John,
Good start. Now that it has started for real perhaps it would be best for all if you or Bayes could start a new unique thread showing the verified daily results of the challenge so everybody can be kept up to date and comment etc..
Regards,
Atlantis.
Just converting some previous results into the latest testing criteria (betting against triples) set down earlier...
L L H H H
H L H H L ---trigger
H L L L H--- L0.5; w1 +0.5
H L L H L----nb; trigger
L L H L L---- w0.5 +1
L L H L L-----nb; trigger
H H L L L-----w0.5 +1.5
L L L L H-----nb
H H H H H----nb
H L H L L-----nb
L H H H L-----nb
H H L L H---- nb
L H 0 L L------nb
L L L H L------nb
H L L L H------nb
L L 0 H L------nb
H H L L L------nb
H L L L L------nb; trigger
L H H L H-----w0.5 +2
H L L H H-----nb
H H H H H----nb; trigger
H L H H L-----L0.5; L1, w1.5; trigger +2
L L L H H------w0.5 +2.5
H H H H H-----nb
L L H H L------nb
H L H L L------nb; trigger
L L 0 H L------L0.5, L1, L1.5 -0.5
H H L H L-----nb
L H H H L-----nb; trigger
0 L L L L------w2 +1.5
L L L L L------nb; trigger
H H L H H----w1.5 +3
H H L H H
L L H 0 H----nb
L L L L L-----nb
H H H L L----nb
L L L L H-----nb
H L L L H-----nb; trigger
H 0 L H H-----L0.5, L1, w1.5; trigger +0
L L H L H-----w0.5 +0.5
L L L H H-----nb; trigger
L H L L H-----L0.5, w1; trigger +1
0 H L H L-----L0.5, L1; w1.5 +1
L L H L H-----nb
H L L H L-----nb
H L L L L-----nb; trigger
H H H L H---L0.5, w1 +1.5
H H L L H----nb; trigger
H L L H L----L0.5, w1 +2
0 H H H L----nb
L L L L H-----nb
Yes it is s-l-o-w and I guess I could have used whole units... I've got a good gut feeling about this latest way though (surely a bad sign) and I'd dearly love to play this for real ££'s very soon - I'm genuinely and seriously hoping that this might bring small but steady trickle of profits to help build up and amass a reasonably healthy balance over time...
But more importantly further testing is required to be done first.
A.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 27, 02:45 PM 2012
Hi Atlantis, actually it will be during the challenge until I double the BR to 400 units I will be using only even money methods. so QUAD 120 will definately be in there. I played a session today and had a nice 11/6 split which resulted in 5 units profit. If I get off to a flying start though and win the first three bets in a session. LOCKDOWN rule kicks in. As that is the average profit margin. This may end up being the closest thing to a true even money grail.
Out of every ten sessions you play you can expect to win around 7 lose 1 or 2 and break even on 1. But overall random can't defeat this one its just too natural. Again its a percentage game. those QUADS dominate the frame the vast majority of the time. And the beauty of Even money bets is you only need to lay 1 to win 1. Watch it in action soon. Bayes tried to send the file for the RNG to my email but it hasn't worked. I think he will have to upload it to the repository on here. So when he does the challenge shall commence...
What is QUAD 120 John? I guess its first time u used flat betting on EC's? What about CODE 20?
I did a larger spin test with data from random.org. See attached.
I need to figure out more stuff on this - like for instance what is max number of vert triples that can occur in a row in a 5 wide matrix... so may be future refinements... maybe only betting against UNIQUE triples is an idea..
A.
Atlantis, you're really right about what the results of tests made ​​John on Bayes RNG would be nice to see us, too.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 28, 07:10 AM 2012
OK. Thanks soggett,
Of course we have BV NoZero with even smaller stakes; but that is r.n.g. and I would rather play on live dealer or live autospin with real numbers...
It's just I like playing with lower stake values so I might play this with £100-£200 bankroll hit-n-run hopefully with a lockstop of +3 or +4 per session. The last way I posted is not too dissimilar to JL's "Code20" but with 5-step High/Low matrix instead. Possibly played over his "frames" idea and flatbetting it might also be worth trying out... Perhaps a stop betting rule if a string of L's occur until a virtual win happens before restart? (6 L's in a row?)
Thanks BuffaloWizard for any testing results and findings.
A.
Something I've been testing Atlantis with excellent results so far is this. You track High and Low spins until you have the following example HH(H)LLL(H)LHHH You now place in a four wide matrix like this.
H/L/L/L
H/-------And bet using the classic 1,2,4 prog that the next three spins don't match the line above. This is a random one shot idea. You don't continually bet against line after line under each other. Just randomly enter the cycle find the above example and play your game then shut it down. I've done this 40 times so far and only lost once.
Quote
Hi Atlantis, actually it will be during the challenge until I double the BR to 400 units I will be using only even money methods. so QUAD 120 will definately be in there. I played a session today and had a nice 11/6 split which resulted in 5 units profit. If I get off to a flying start though and win the first three bets in a session. LOCKDOWN rule kicks in. As that is the average profit margin. This may end up being the closest thing to a true even money grail.
Out of every ten sessions you play you can expect to win around 7 lose 1 or 2 and break even on 1. But overall random can't defeat this one its just too natural. Again its a percentage game. those QUADS dominate the frame the vast majority of the time. And the beauty of Even money bets is you only need to lay 1 to win 1.
Very interesting idea, JL.
I tried it myself with 3 wide and 4 wide grids playing for trips not to become quads over 120 spins and got some results which bear out your stats... Of course I'm not 100% sure how you're exactly playing but my best result was 8 wins, a loss and a draw. My best result was 10/6 (profit of 4)
A.
Profit Trickler Plus (Flatbet)
===============
Latest REVISED version of this method by Atlantis.
(A) Always look at last 2 lines of results formed. (2 lines x 5 results of H and L)
If there are 3 OR MORE matching vertical repeats present somewhere on the last 2 lines then proceed to flatbet against a REPEAT EC forming from the start of the very next line.
(B) If there are not 3 OR MORE matching vertical repeats in the last 2 lines only then record another complete line of 5 results under the current line and return to (A)
(C) Stop at ANY winner on the line.
(D) Stop betting after THREE CONSECUTIVE losses in a row on a line until a virtual win (vertical non-repeat EC) is noted, after which re-commence betting after usual trigger (A).
(E) The ZERO is not recorded in the grid.
EXAMPLE
========
H L H H H
H L H L L 3 vertical repeats (cols 1,2 and 3) = start bet on next line
H L L L H LLW -1
H H L H L LW -1
L H H L H
H H H H L
H H H L H
L H H H L W +0
L H L H L
H L L L L W +1
L H L L L
H L L L L W +2
H H L L H LW +2
L H L H L W +3
L L L L L
H H L H H W +4
L L H H H
H L H L L
L H L L L
H H L L H
H L L L H LW +4
L H H H L W +5
H H H H H
L H H L H W +6
H L H H H W +7
L H H L L
L L L H H
L H H L H
H L L H L
H L H H L
L L H H H W +8
L L L H H LLW +7
L H L H H LW +7
H H L H L W +8
L L L L H W +9
H H L H L
L H H H H
L L L L H
L L L L L
L L H H H LLW +8
L L H H L
H H L L L W +9
H L H L H
L L L H L
L L L L L
L L H H H LLW +8
H L H H H
H H L H H LW +8
L H L L L W +9
H L H L H
H H L H H
L L H H L
H L H L L
H H H H L LW +9
L H H H L W +10
L L L L L LW +10
H H H L H
L H L L L
H H H H L
H L L H H
H H H H L
H H H H L
L L H H L W +11
L H L H L LW +11
H L L L H W +12
H L L L H
L L H L L W +13
L L H H H
L H H L H LW +13
H =STOP= W +14
A.
Trying to improve...
PROFIT TRICKLER PLUS: SESSION#1
=======================
NEW RULE:
IF <3 VERTICAL REPEATS ON A LINE BET FOR A REPEAT ON NEXT LINE
IF 3 OR MORE VERTICAL REPEATS ON A LINE BET AGAINST A REPEAT ON NEXT LINE
USE 1-1-2 STOP. PROGRESSION
MAX BET PER LINE = 3
STOP AT A WIN OR 3L's.
Well why not? It seems as good an idea and makes sense. You get more action this way and can reach target quicker (suggest +5)
Start by recording 2 lines of 5 results H/L
H/L RESULTS W/L +/-
======== === ===
H H L H H
H H L H L 3 vertical repeats so bet AGAINST vert. repeat
L L L L L W +1 <3 so now bet FOR vert. repeat
L L H L L W +2
L L L H L LLW +2
H L H L L W +3
H H H L L LW +3
L H L L H LLW +3
L L H L H LW +3
H L L L H W +4
L L H H L W +5
H L H L L LW +5
L L H L L W +6
L H L H L LW +6
L H L H H W +7
L L L H H LW +7
H H H H H W +8
L H L H H W +9
L H H H H LLW +9
L H L H L LLW +9
L H H L L LLW +9
H L L L H W +10
H H H L H W +11
L H H H L W +12
L H H L H W +13
L L L L L LW +13
L L H L H W +14
L L H H H LLL +10* (3L)
L H L L L LW +10
H L H H L LLL +6* (3L)
H H H H H W +7
H L L H H LW +7
L H L L H W +8
H H H H H LW +8
Stopped here.
A.
Damn atlantis
That looks good
8)
Wonder how GLC never come in on this one...
Glad that you decided to revive some of your old works.
There were lot of thinking involved in designing this.
Thank you Atlantis!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 17, 11:19 AM 2016
Damn atlantis
That looks good
8)
RG, since I always get into arguments with people about shitty workouts,
explanations, and examples, let me just flag this as an example of what
I am looking for and mean about showing results clearly and explaining them.
So people can understand.
If you look at my posts you'll notice it's really my only complaint. I don't care
WHAT anyone says as long as they explain it and I can understand it. And not
write in code.
(Hope I'm catching you when you're sober. If you're not, you're certainly out of jail.
No computers or toys in that place).
BTW, looks like this post is a really old idea. But a good one.
Quote from: mogul397 on Apr 17, 01:12 PM 2016
RG, since I always get into arguments with people about shitty workouts,
explanations, and examples, let me just flag this as an example of what
I am looking for and mean about showing results clearly and explaining them.
So people can understand.
If you look at my posts you'll notice it's really my only complaint. I don't care
WHAT anyone says as long as they explain it and I can understand it. And not
write in code.
(Hope I'm catching you when you're sober. If you're not, you're certainly out of jail.
No computers or toys in that place).
BTW, looks like this post is a really old idea. But a good one.
This is not about me mogul
Gonna keep it on topic for respect of atlantis
I like his posts im not doing that in this thread
Atlantis always writes out a system clearly and always gives an egzample that can be followed.... that by itself is hard to do (if you dont believe me try it: )).....Kudos to Atlantis for all of his clear work
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 17, 02:04 PM 2016
Atlantis always writes out a system clearly and always gives an egzample that can be followed.... that by itself is hard to do (if you dont believe me try it: )).....Kudos to Atlantis for all of his clear work
Amen!!!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 17, 01:16 PM 2016
This is not about me mogul
Gonna keep it on topic for respect of atlantis
I like his posts im not doing that in this thread
At least we have a benchmark.
Simple Tracker i use for yall.
Mogul sparked my interest on this one... Might try it again - it's been a while - but the last 2 revisions posted above (flatbet and 1-1-2 repeat) don't seem too bad.
A.
I throughly enjoy Atlantis' posts
Thanks Atlantis. And thanks for the response to my PM.
I was literally looking at post 57 as a slight improvement to the
reply 56 that you mentioned. Just wrote it down.
Like RG I also enjoy your posts, as I do RG's posts. Always informative.
It's kind of like what I was saying about people who post great stuff and
are no longer here. But you're here!!! Great.
But it always leaves me wondering why good ideas get dropped or
forgotten.
Thanks again.
Mogul, I'm also gonna try a few with the last revision - Reply #57
Fingers crossed!
Thanks mogul and RG etc.. for your kind comments.
This is easy to track and play. You're not betting every spin. No high or spiralling progressions.
(But maybe could try "guetting" though?)
Anyhow, I'll have some fun with it today/tonight and report back. :)
The main thing is - try and grab a few units then get out!!!
A.
First real money session on Live Auto-Roulette Le Partage
+5.5 in 51 spins. That is OK. No sweat - just played it as described with no deviation :)
There were three 0's occurred - only one of which happened on a bet spin.
The 0 can always be an unwelcome hindrance or a pest; unless you cover it as insurance - I got half my stake back there - which is some consolation (but to avoid completely maybe play on NoZero Roulette or Baccarat?)
Since there are always regular bets on each new line recorded you don't get to wait for too long without a bet; so you don't get timed out or kicked off from the app like when I tried with some other 'waiting' systems - that is good!
This one I play also has acceptable stakes in the range £0.10 to £4000 for an EC bet - which is also nice.
A.
2 more easy +5's. 46 spins and 31 spins.
Relaxed and easy play.
I really must thank mogul again for jogging my memory about this. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I'm sticking with it for now - much as I like "Anti-Copycat Dozens" as a double dozen system - I'm always beset by the worrisome risk of losing an 80u 4-step progression!
None such fears or jeopardy with something like this. :)
A.
People tend to make a big deal about 1 3 9 27
I don't think it's a big deal at all
Especially if low limits like cents
Gambling is gambling. Play as you wish. Of course with money you can afford to lose
If I'm playing roulette I better be willing to risk 80 units
If it's $1 bets. What's 1 3 9 27
Peanuts
The doc brings this up a few times a week. But it's perspective
Who is it? What's their bankroll? What unit size are they using? These are questions people should ask before criticizing someone's progression play
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 22, 05:42 PM 2017
If it's $1 bets. What's 1 3 9 27
Peanuts
The doc brings this up a few times a week. But it's perspective
Who is it? What's their bankroll? What unit size are they using? These are questions people should ask before criticizing someone's progression play
Hi RG,
You're right - and I believe methods like A-CD are strong. A lot of the wins do come on the first step.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 22, 10:59 AM 2017
First real money session on Live Auto-Roulette Le Partage
+5.5 in 51 spins. That is OK. No sweat - just played it as described with no deviation :)
There were three 0's occurred - only one of which happened on a bet spin.
The 0 can always be an unwelcome hindrance or a pest; unless you cover it as insurance - I got half my stake back there - which is some consolation (but to avoid completely maybe play on NoZero Roulette or Baccarat?)
Since there are always regular bets on each new line recorded you don't get to wait for too long without a bet; so you don't get timed out or kicked off from the app like when I tried with some other 'waiting' systems - that is good!
This one I play also has acceptable stakes in the range £0.10 to £4000 for an EC bet - which is also nice.
A.
Atlantis,
When I was reviewing the method, I was trying to come up with a metric for how
many units per spin it was making. Cause watching the 5 spins kind of flies by.
This example looks like 1 unit per 10 spins.
But also to speak to the speed and all, yes, it is generally an "easy play".
Easy on the nerves. But a bit sorry to say, referring to RG's comment about the
penny units on 1,3,9,27. What's the point? I like to feel like I'm going to
win something. I don't play quarter machines like GLC, that make it all easier.
Or Bleep, playing at the $1 level witn NLE.
Which leads to another question. Why don't you look at playing all 3 EC's
at the same time? There's certainly plenty of time to track it?
Mogul
Hi Mogul,
Just as A-CD could be applied to the different dozens (and also remember the columns too) to get more bets so can this EC method be applied to other than H/L in my examples... so Yes. I think will be worth looking at tracking all 3 EC's.
Thanks,
A
I agree that what is needed is more betting opportunities. In my testing up to now this has proved to be very stable. Using H/L - O/E alternating I would put winning at less that 1 unit per 10 spins so unless you are using 1 unit = $10/$20/$30 or whatever then it is a steady but low winning system.
I will try all 3 EC`s next. Do not know about Dozens/Columns but I think that this was covered recently and I cannot remember outcome. Yes, a bit like ABCD method.
Bleep
BTW. I am using my fave. prog: +1/-1 using 1 1 2 you are only winning on first win then breaking even. I have back tested some of the spin sequences in this thread and +1/-1 is fine (and still no sweat due to its short losing runs)
Brian
Thx Brian,
I will also try out the +1/-1.
I found tracking all 3 EC's on the autowheel too much to handle because of short time between spins - but 2 EC's fine. And maybe one side can compensate for a loser on the other side much of the time. Separate progressions for each side. Might reach the target quicker too. BTW, still winning for me too, brian. :)
Will try again tomorrow.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 23, 09:32 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Just as A-CD could be applied to the different dozens (and also remember the columns too) to get more bets so can this EC method be applied to other than H/L in my examples... so Yes. I think will be worth looking at tracking all 3 EC's.
Thanks,
A
What's A-CD?
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 23, 04:13 PM 2017
Thx Brian,
I will also try out the +1/-1.
I found tracking all 3 EC's on the autowheel too much to handle because of short time between spins - but 2 EC's fine. And maybe one side can compensate for a loser on the other side much of the time. Separate progressions for each side. Might reach the target quicker too. BTW, still winning for me too, brian. :)
Will try again tomorrow.
A.
How long between spins?
I only play on-line `Live` dealer. Tracking and placing bets on all 3 EC`s is a non starter due to the short betting window.
I am using H/L and O/E. Still holding up. When there is a loss it is generally just one. Very most that I have seen is 3. If you are using 1 1 2 then a loss is not going to put you in the poor house.
SO far when I pick up some date I get bets and hits every
row of 5. Haven't done much, but the hit rate is very good.
I'm a little confused about the best betting progression, but waiting for
Bleeps' feedback doing all the EC's and +/1.
On the one hand I wonder why the trickler method stops after one
win, and also lets 3 losses go. Not trying to muddy the waters, just
thinking and digesting.
Real data I got today. Did it on red and black.
44 spins, +7. No speed bumps. 4 out of the 7 were 1st spin.
I have some time this weekend.
Hi Mogul,
Have you found something at last that you like!!!!!
I have been playing a session every day with this. (Forty or so spins) Have won every one. Average win 4/5 units. I am NOT using one E/C. Using matrix in lines of 6. H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E
Most series you do win on first. I am only doing wait for 2 and bet opposite (vertically) +1/-1 Hardly gets out of starting gate betting 1 unit
There are a few variations in this thread and when I get more time I will have a go with them.
Good luck, Brian
Hi Mogul,
Were you `doing` bet opposite/or same if 2. If lost next time round (and still needing this bet for a win) bet opposite to the 3? Are you using a 6 matrix? I am using a 6 and only betting after 2`s to be different. (Less betting opps. but I think that I will have to change that)
I have checked a couple of my results and they do come out winners but just using one EC is not as stable, but still winning.
Each to their own (with tweaks, bells and knobs on) This system certainly has a lot going for it.
Calls for a couple (or two) bottles of `Newkey Broon Ale`
Cheers, Brian
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 22, 05:42 PM 2017
If it's $1 bets. What's 1 3 9 27
Peanuts
The doc brings this up a few times a week. But it's perspective
Who is it? What's their bankroll? What unit size are they using? These are questions people should ask before criticizing someone's progression play
It may be a $1 betting unit, but when you lose a double dozen or double column 1 3 9 27 progression sequence, you are down $80.
Yes, $80 may not be a lot of money, but the problem is that in order to recover those $80, you will have to win 80 series (at any stage of a 1 3 9 27 progression).
Remember, at whichever stage you win, you are just making $1.
Therein lies the problem: if you lose even one such 1 3 9 27 sequence (total loss = 80 units), it will take you 80 series to recover that amount.
You cannot trivialize the above problem, even if your betting unit is only $1.
Hi Mogul,
A-CD is my other topic "Anti-Clockwise Dozens" - which could also be applied to the Columns too; in which case it would be "ACDC"!! :)
LoL
On the LIVE autowheel I have same thing as bleep; not quite enough time window to "comfortably" work out and place the stakes and bets without feeling rushed or prone to error - but 2 EC seem Ok. I chose H/L and R/B.
Progression: could use brian's MO with the +1/-1 or maybe something milder like a string that move forward and back on; something like... 11223345.... or similar...?
I am using lines of 5 results and not 6.
The stop at 3 L rule until next line was simply my way dealing with what might possibly be the manifestation of the dreaded long losing string that *could* occur - So rather than continuing to follow a LLR, I stop before it gets too bad and wait to try again on the very next line either FOR vertical match or AGAINST vertical match as the method dictates.
A.
Brian wrote:
Quote
Are you using a 6 matrix? I am using a 6 and only betting after 2`s to be different. (Less betting opps. but I think that I will have to change that)
Lines of 5 results: this way you get a majority decision either 3 or more repeats or 3 or more non-repeats. This gives you your trigger selection for betting on the opposite for the next line... If a line of 6 you can get a DRAW 3 of one; 3 of the other so no clear decision there.
Regards,
A.
Hi Atlantis,
Good posts from you. Thanks. (it`s nice to be nice - other members should take note. We do not win/gain anything by being nasty)
I agree with your recent comment and I also only look for 1 win/loss on one row and whatever happens move on to next row. We all know about RFH`s lurking not too far away and I for one do not want to meet one.
Little and often catchee monkey.
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 25, 02:23 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Have you found something at last that you like!!!!!
I have been playing a session every day with this. (Forty or so spins) Have won every one. Average win 4/5 units. I am NOT using one E/C. Using matrix in lines of 6. H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E
Most series you do win on first. I am only doing wait for 2 and bet opposite (vertically) +1/-1 Hardly gets out of starting gate betting 1 unit
There are a few variations in this thread and when I get more time I will have a go with them.
Good luck, Brian
It would appear so. And I am a little stunned. I do get stunned when
something tends to keep working. I remember over time thinking about
a method and saying "when I've won 3x with it, then I will dig my heels in
and call it a winner". The 1 unit every 10 spins is acceptable. Although
I would wonder and expect that on each EC. 15 units from 50 spins
would be awesome.
Not sure I understand
"Most series you do win on first. I am only doing wait for 2 and bet opposite (vertically) +1/-1 Hardly gets out of starting gate betting 1 unit"
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 25, 02:23 AM 2017Using matrix in lines of 6. H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E
Also, What is this? Duplication? There are 3 ECs.
Using matrix in lines of 6. H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E - H/L - O/E
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 25, 03:15 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Were you `doing` bet opposite/or same if 2. If lost next time round (and still needing this bet for a win) bet opposite to the 3? Are you using a 6 matrix? I am using a 6 and only betting after 2`s to be different. (Less betting opps. but I think that I will have to change that)
I have checked a couple of my results and they do come out winners but just using one EC is not as stable, but still winning.
Each to their own (with tweaks, bells and knobs on) This system certainly has a lot going for it.
Calls for a couple (or two) bottles of `Newkey Broon Ale`
Cheers, Brian
I am doing what is says in reply # 56.
If the last 5 have >=3 match I bet opposite.
If the last 5 have >=3 different I bet for the same.
Only testing one EC at a time now. Not sure where you
come up with 6? There are 3.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 25, 04:14 AM 2017
It may be a $1 betting unit, but when you lose a double dozen or double column 1 3 9 27 progression sequence, you are down $80.
Yes, $80 may not be a lot of money, but the problem is that in order to recover those $80, you will have to win 80 series (at any stage of a 1 3 9 27 progression).
Remember, at whichever stage you win, you are just making $1.
Therein lies the problem: if you lose even one such 1 3 9 27 sequence (total loss = 80 units), it will take you 80 series to recover that amount.
You cannot trivialize the above problem, even if your betting unit is only $1.
Well said. And it is the overall result that is important.
If it makes it feel better to jump off a small cliff, then that's fine.
But usually the lower level testing is to prove making actual money.
Hi Mogul,
Yes there are 3 EC`s and you could play them separately but will this be more risky?
What I am doing is rows of 6. What I mean by H/L - O/E is:
23 6 13 29 12 1 that equate to me as: H E L O L O
You could use O/E - R/B etc. what I am doing is mixing up to give more variance and less chance of chains of same.
Brian
My last session result.
Playing as in Reply #57 using 2 EC and +1/-1
+6 in 22 spins
Profit Trickler Plus Session #13
=====================
HIGH/LOW RED/BLACK R/Tot
======= ======== ====
HLHHH BBRRR
HLHHL Bet Opp RRRRB Bet Same
LHHLH w1 Bet Same RBRBB w1 Bet Opp +2
HHLLL L1-w2 Bet Same BRBBB w1 Bet Same +4
LH=== L1-w2 RR=== L1-w2 +6 ** STOP**
=======================
A.
Great job and great documentation Atlantis.
Are you just doing the +/-1 now?
I see you tried just two EC's. Pretty good!!!!!
I'm leaving now for a quickie.
I'll report when I get back.
Quote from: mogul397 on Feb 25, 02:52 PM 2017Are you just doing the +/-1 now?
Hi mogul,
Yes. I've tried it for last 6 winning games now....
Another thing I do is that whenever I get level or into profit from the EC's is to reset both the stakes to 1u.
Session #14
========
HHHHH BRRRB
HLHLL Bet same RBBBR Bet same
LLLLL L1-w2 Bet Opp BRBBR L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp +1
LLHHL L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp BRRBR L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp +1
HHLHL w1 Bet same RBRBB w1 Bet same +3
H==== w1 R==== w1 +5 **STOP**
+5 in 26 spins.
This is not ideal example - but you can see that after wins at 3u in Round one and Round Two the overall bank stood at +1u (new high or level high) so instead of playing 2u on the next round I reset both sides to the default of 1u.
However, had the bank balance been less than +1 (for example if one side had lost again) then would have continued into round 3 with 2u on the winning side and 4u on the losing side in accordance with the +1/-1.
A.
I just got back. It went OK. I hit some rough spots. O/E hit 2 losing lines
in a row about the time I stopped tracking.
I tracked all 3 EC's separate. That was challenging, timewise. I wasn't
betting, but it was the first time I sat live and tried to train myself on this
method.
Also, I'm a bit unclear how I should manage bets.
Actually odd/even seemed to be the most trouble
Here are my session notes. First time I tried.
S or O to the left indicates what I was looking for and the actual numbers
are in the vertical columbs.
How did we decide the progression should go?
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 25, 04:15 PM 2017
Hi mogul,
Yes. I've tried it for last 6 winning games now....
Another thing I do is that whenever I get level or into profit from the EC's is to reset both the stakes to 1u.
Session #14
========
HHHHH BRRRB
HLHLL Bet same RBBBR Bet same
LLLLL L1-w2 Bet Opp BRBBR L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp +1
LLHHL L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp BRRBR L1-L2-w3 Bet Opp +1
HHLHL w1 Bet same RBRBB w1 Bet same +3
H==== w1 R==== w1 +5 **STOP**
+5 in 26 spins.
This is not ideal example - but you can see that after wins at 3u in Round one and Round Two the overall bank stood at +1u (new high or level high) so instead of playing 2u on the next round I reset both sides to the default of 1u.
However, had the bank balance been less than +1 (for example if one side had lost again) then would have continued into round 3 with 2u on the winning side and 4u on the losing side in accordance with the +1/-1.
A.
Brian and you both play in the UK where you guys have the benefit of the la partage rule. My question is how are you guys incorporating the effects of the la partage rule into your calculations?
So let's say you had bet 1 unit on, say, red and the zero shows up.
You will get back .5 unit. Assuming you guys are playing the +1/-1 d'Alembert progression, the next bet should be 2 units -- are you adding 1.5 units to the .5 unit to make it 2 units or are you getting the 2 units from your original bankroll?
If you guys are doing the latter, how are you treating the .5 unit in terms of your overall accounting of profits/losses?
Hi Doctor S,
I do not know how anyone else treats the zero, but I count it as a full loss whichever way result. Not every casino/table has the rule.
Why I count it as a loss is because 99 times out of a 100 I am using +1/-1 progression and we are only talking a few units to take account of when a zero shows (unless you are staking multiple positions. Also it will depend on which prog. you are using)
If I was betting say, 13 units I would certainly be on a table with the rule and adjusting stakes.
I sometimes play a system where betting zero is part of it so it causes no problem.
Bleep
Hi Doctor S,
I also count and accept the 0 as a loss - and go to next step. I do not record the 0 on my sheet whether it occurs during betting or not; so I class it as a kind of "non-result". (That *could* make a different outcome to mogul's decisions if he has included 0 in charting)
Again, I do not think I would play on more than 2 sides of an EC at the same time either.
Still, I'm a little unsure as the to the best progression required at this stage of trial and error testing. There's LOTS of them that can be tried... For instance gr8player, best of 5, guetting, parlay...etc.. etc...
(Playing for real test with low stakes + le partage rule)
Regards, A.
Hi Mogul,
Thanks for recording those numbers. It must have been very difficult with a beer in one hand and a chick in the other. Dread to think what you were using to write with!!... Looking at the numbers I have to say that your recording/transposing skills do not warrant a 5* but I have sorted the wheat from the chaff (though not all of your recording) and I found no problems at all. I only checked R/B & O/E partly but found both were good winners and max stake 3 units, so what is there not to like about that.
I used rows of 5. 2 same-bet for same 3/3+ same-bet for change same- multiple wins/losses on same row +1/-1 You also have the disadvantage of 00, but still came out ahead.
Incidentally, playing 2 same-bet different 3/3+ same-bet same worked just as well.
Good luck everyone (and to Mogul - back to college on Monday)
Brian
Bleep24 wrote:
Quote
It must have been very difficult with a beer in one hand and a chick in the other. Dread to think what you were using to write with!!...
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 26, 04:25 AM 2017
Hi Doctor S,
I also count and accept the 0 as a loss - and go to next step. I do not record the 0 on my sheet whether it occurs during betting or not; so I class it as a kind of "non-result". (That *could* make a different outcome to mogul's decisions if he has included 0 in charting)
Again, I do not think I would play on more than 2 sides of an EC at the same time either.
Still, I'm a little unsure as the to the best progression required at this stage of trial and error testing. There's LOTS of them that can be tried... For instance gr8player, best of 5, guetting, parlay...etc.. etc...
(Playing for real test with low stakes + le partage rule)
Regards, A.
Atlantis.
I always just count zeros as a loss. If you look in my latest data, on the
last columb there are 4. Oddly enough I won on the 27 you see right after
the first 00. But I also like to just look at zeros as background noise.
If you are playing a progression leveraged like the 1,3,9, then it's deadly.
But with this, you miss many/most of them, or they are insignificant.
Which leads to my usual argument about the fact that the "house edge"
is not what is making people lose. Certainly not the amounts that they
lose. WAY above the house edge.
So Atlantis, are you in agreement that there may be a new or different
progression to explore? I am asking the question, because I have asked directly
before with no response.
After dipping my toe in the water with the results I posted, and digested
it as it unfolds, for some reason I can't explain, the factor of only betting
for 3 losses and/or 1 win, seems to help. The whole "half unit" thing bothers me.
I was looking at an earlier post/test you made. I think it said your highest bet
was 5 units, which for .5 units, is 10 units. Am I correct? I now am
trying to digest the math part of this.
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 26, 04:28 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Thanks for recording those numbers. It must have been very difficult with a beer in one hand and a chick in the other. Dread to think what you were using to write with!!... Looking at the numbers I have to say that your recording/transposing skills do not warrant a 5* but I have sorted the wheat from the chaff (though not all of your recording) and I found no problems at all. I only checked R/B & O/E partly but found both were good winners and max stake 3 units, so what is there not to like about that.
I used rows of 5. 2 same-bet for same 3/3+ same-bet for change same- multiple wins/losses on same row +1/-1 You also have the disadvantage of 00, but still came out ahead.
Incidentally, playing 2 same-bet different 3/3+ same-bet same worked just as well.
Good luck everyone (and to Mogul - back to college on Monday)
Brian
Bleep, is your 3 units based on the .5 unit bet thing? And can you
demonstrate how that unfolded using my data? Not all of it, just
where that happened?
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 26, 09:52 AM 2017
Bleep24 wrote:
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
You're all pricks!!
Hi guys I'm late to the party here, but never mind!
Thanks to Atlantis for the idea and thanks for everyone else for testing.
Is there a definitive way to play yet? Personally, I like Brian's H/l together with O/E.
I tested a little last night, 2 sessions. I used a 6 wide matrix H O H E L O type thing and I did a 1 1 2 stop progression as has been mentioned before. I started a bet after 2 matching verticals.
1st session gave me +6 after 54 spins and 2nd session gave me +5 after 19 spins, but I realised I was using multiple bets per line, instead of stopping at a W and just recording the rest of the line.
Do we treat each vertical bet separately or move horizontally across the line? By that, I mean if we lose in 1 column and there's another bet later along the line, do we raise the unit on that bet, or wait until the losing column comes around again before raising the bet?
I'll test some more and report back.
Cheers.
Hi Mogul,
Not sure where this .5 thing is coming from. I always talk in round numbers. 1 2 3 4 5 etc.
Brian
Here is the E/O matrix. Moguls data. I do record zeroes but it probably does not matter if they are ignored in the great scheme of things.
This is the unit run through. -1 +2 +1 -1 +2 -1 +2-1 -2 +3 +2 +1 -1 +2 -1 -2 +3 +2 +1 +1 -1 +2 +1 +1 +1 +1
Using +1/-1 prog. Bet all opps. on that row. 2 same - bet for 3rd. 3/3+ same - bet change
EOEOE Where I come from that adds up to +17 units. Check the bets if you like.
EEEEO
ZOEOE
EOOOO
OEOOE
EEEEE
OOOZO
EEOEE
EOOOO
EOOEO
EOOEE
OEEEO
EEEEO
EEEEO
EEE
Cheers, Brian
BTW. Also checked first 38 spins Mogul`s R/B data. +8 units (only went to max betting 2 units) Nice.
Bleep
Just had another session on French roulette at Betfair.
65 spins - after the first 2 lines. +7.5 units.
Playing 1 2 3 stop.
Hi Ewarwoowar,
As usual in threads I would just read all the posts and make your own mind up. Atlantis has proposed his version and I have proposed 2 of mine but I believe that all will work. You will just have to suck it and see. Sometimes we over complicate things and lose sight of where we are at.
I do not know if you are English and familiar with the TV programme `Only fools and Horses` In it Del Boy repeatedly says: This time next year we`ll all be millionaires. Well I have faith in this and it needs some other members to do so too, and post their results. It does not cost a fortune. Do what `cheap skate` Mogul does and just record the results without actually betting. (In a readable format)
Sorry Mogul, I just like winding you up a bit. No offence meant. It is just my Geordieness having a laugh!!!!! (We all need a bit of fun in life)
Brian
Hi Brian, I'm from Burnley in the North West actually, so I understand you completely mate!
I'll carry on with what I'm doing for now and continue to report back.
Cheers.
Hi Ewarwoowar again,
Just spotted your post. Well done. Were you using .5 units? Did you go past 1 2 3 prog? I am a great fan of +1/-1 prog. as you may have read in my posts. It keeps you in the game without straining the heart and it does seem that with Profit Trickler there will not be many bad runs, but you can always set a stop loss if you are happier. As always there are several progs. that spring to mind for this, especially as you are only betting 1 position at a time.
Brian
Hi Ewarwoowar,
War of the Roses here: I live in North Yorkshire though originally a Geordie. I have only lived down here for 38 years so still speak with a Geordie accent (it does take time to change!)
Was in Burnley last year but it was closed!
Brian
Hi Brian, I was using 1 unit size, but 0 hit a few times to give me half stake back as I was on the French roulette wheel, playing La Partage.
I had a complete 1 2 3 loss once. The very next spin in that column won, so my figures using +1/-1 would have been better.
Cheers.
Hahaha! I lived in West Yorkshire a few years ago. I was doing missionary work!
Where are you in North Yorks?
Cheers.
Guisborough.
Hi mogul,
Just to be clear on the +1/-1 progression. I follow the progression until the win or until I lose a max. of three in a row on each side of my chosen 2 EC's.
A betting round is complete when the betting has stopped on both lines.
I review the profit/loss bank total only at the end of each round.
I commence betting at beginning of the next line as directed:
If I am level or ahead overall I start over with 1u for both EC's.
If I am behind overall after the last round is over I continue to operate the +1/-1 prog. so if a bet won last time I reduce it by 1u (unless it already at 1u) or if the bet lost last time I therefore increase it by 1u
:smile:
Regards, A
Hi guys, just had another session.
60 spins and +8.5 units, played on a French table.
Cheers.
Hi Ewarwoowar,
Good to know that your results are mirroring mine. I played yesterday (+11 units) and today (+9 units) Didn`t hardly get out of first gear.
This is certainly starting to look like a keeper.
Cheers, Brian
In this 6 wide matrix, played with original rules, how many lines in a row have lost max?
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 26, 11:55 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Not sure where this .5 thing is coming from. I always talk in round numbers. 1 2 3 4 5 etc.
Brian
Look at the first post in the thread.
The whole first page even
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 26, 12:20 PM 2017
Here is the E/O matrix. Moguls data. I do record zeroes but it probably does not matter if they are ignored in the great scheme of things.
This is the unit run through. -1 +2 +1 -1 +2 -1 +2-1 -2 +3 +2 +1 -1 +2 -1 -2 +3 +2 +1 +1 -1 +2 +1 +1 +1 +1
Using +1/-1 prog. Bet all opps. on that row. 2 same - bet for 3rd. 3/3+ same - bet change
EOEOE Where I come from that adds up to +17 units. Check the bets if you like.
EEEEO
ZOEOE
EOOOO
OEOOE
EEEEE
OOOZO
EEOEE
EOOOO
EOOEO
EOOEE
OEEEO
EEEEO
EEEEO
EEE
Cheers, Brian
This is confusing. Are you betting EVERY spin of the 5 spins each row?
Or are you stopping after a win or 3 losses?
See the two rows in red? Those are all losses. I don't see a
reflection of your +/-1 bets in your reporting.
What does "3/3+ same - bet change" mean?
Hi all,
Just been watching shoot out snooker which is just as well so I was only recording spins to see how it went. There`s good news and bad news. Recorded 5 wide matrix. Bet every opportunity. Using +1/-1 Only R/B. 2 same - bet for same. 3 same - bet for change. Masses of blacks coming out. Went up to betting 11 units. If played out it would have ended at +18 units so if you had the balls to stick with it you would have been fine. There were several times when vertical lines of 7 blacks formed. Only betting once on a row would have been better but would still have gone up to 8 units and ended with less profit.
I prefer 6 wide matrix and mixing 2 EC
. Also after 2 same bet for change. After 3 same bet for change. If lose stop betting that column.
I still think that this is very sound.
Brian
I'm playing 2 ecs in a 6 wide.
Just had another live session +8.5 in 21 spins. Very easy session.
Cheers.
How's this do bleep
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Hi Mogul,
No I am not betting every spin. Only the ones that qualify. 3/3+ means: BBB bet for R BBBB bet for R
First and second rows = markers. 3rd row -1/+2 4th row +1 5th row -1/+2 6th row -1/+2 7th row -1/-2 8th row No bets
9th row +3 10th row +2/+1 11th row -1/+2 -1/-2 12th row +3/+2/+1/+1 13th row -1 14th row +2/+1/+1+1 15th row +1 END +17
Hope that you can follow this. O/E 5 wide matrix
Brian
Hi all,
24 real sessions now - all won. Over 140u in profit.
Last 16 sessions played with 2 EC's (RB and HL), +1/-1 prog, and lines of 5.
Session Stop: when +5 or above.
Onwards and upwards then; not seeing any reason or need to change anything else just right now! :smile:
I'm very careful to avoid making mistakes or breaking the rules during play.
Nice to hear others are trying it and having some good fortune too.
A.
Hi Notto,
I am still watching the snooker but I will have a look at your post.
I prefer 6 wide and using 2 EC`s.
Brian
I just spent 20 minutes typing the results of my odd/even
run. I ended up -39 units and did it long hand to show.
My post DISSAPEARED. Then, when I typed this message/complaint,
THAT never showed up. TWO posts.
So I'll copy this one and if it doesn't show up, I'll post it AGAIN!!!
Til it shows.
Bleep, not sure how you got +17 units from my odd/even data.
There were dead lines that killed it. Do I have to type that whole thing
over again?
Hi Mogul,
I have posted a reply showing results row by row. What more can I do. Checked them and it comes out +17
Brian
Hi Notto,
I get +2 (corrected)
:)
L1; L2; L3 -6
L4; w5 -5
L4; L5; L6 -20
w7 -13
L6; w7 -12
w6 -6
L5;L6;w7 -10
w6 -4
L5;w6 -3
w5 +2
A.
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 26, 04:58 PM 2017
Hi Mogul,
I have posted a reply showing results row by row. What more can I do. Checked them and it comes out +17
Brian
For one thing, you claim to bet every spin.
Hi Notto,
Pretty good set of numbers. I make +10 but I could be 1 or 2 out as I was watching TV at same time.
See Atlantis`s latest post for his results.
Brian
Another live session.
+6 in 16 spins.
Cheers.
Hi Mogul,
I do not know where you got that from. I only bet qualifiers. Never said that I bet every spin. I do not.
Brian
Hi Notto,
I get different results to Atlantis because I have used my way. Sometimes mine will be better/other times Atlantis`s.
Brian
Here is my longhand AGAIN of my odd/even data.
Played as Atlantis shows. You can check my posted data
if you like. I will copy this so it doesn't "disappear" on me again.
eoeoe
eeeeo Same next
ooeoe Bet 1L 2L 3W total is 0 Same next
eoooo Bet 3L 4W total is +1 Same next
oeooe Bet 3L 4L 5W total is -1 Same next
eeeee Bet 4L 5W total is 0 Same nest
ooooo Bet 4L 5L 6L total is -15 Same next
eeoee Bet 7L 8L 9W total is -21.
I'll stop there. I could go further, but maybe someone
can show me the error of my ways.....
FYI, tried to drop this AGAIN!!!!!!
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 26, 05:09 PM 2017
Hi Notto,
I get different results to Atlantis because I have used my way. Sometimes mine will be better/other times Atlantis`s.
Brian
Hi Brian,
Agreed. In that case the results will naturally vary - but hopefully will remain positive.
I'm enjoying this so far - wonder for how long??
A.
Quote
eoeoe
eeeeo Same next
ooeoe Bet 1L 2L 3W total is 0* Same next
eoooo Bet 3L 4W total is +1* Same next ==== +1 YOU ARE AHEAD HERE so reduce to 1u
oeooe Bet 1L 2L 3W total is +1* Same next ===== +1 YOU ARE LEVEL HERE so reduce to 1u
eeeee Bet 1L 2W total is +2* Same next ===== +2 YOU ARE AHEAD HERE so reduce to 1u
ooooo Bet 1L 2L 3L total is -4 Same next
eeoee Bet 4L 5L 6W total is -7.
next bet = 5u
A.
Hi Notto,
I have rechecked those spins and yep +10 units.
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 26, 05:03 PM 2017
Hi Mogul,
I do not know where you got that from. I only bet qualifiers. Never said that I bet every spin. I do not.
Brian
Your post # 128 says "bet every opportunity". There are 5 wide.
When do the "opportunities" stop?
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 26, 05:17 PM 2017
next bet = 5u
A.
Guess I have to think about this.
Hi Mogul,
I think this is more correct!
eoeoe +0
eeeeo Same next
ooeoe Bet 1L 2L 3W total is 0* Same next ===== +0 YOU ARE LEVEL HERE so reduce to 1u
eoooo Bet 1L 2W total is +1* Same next ==== +1 YOU ARE AHEAD HERE so reduce to 1u
oeooe Bet 1L 2L 3W total is +1* Same next ===== +1 YOU ARE LEVEL HERE so reduce to 1u
eeeee Bet 1L 2W total is +2* Same next ===== +2 YOU ARE AHEAD HERE so reduce to 1u
ooooo Bet 1L 2L 3L total is -4 Same next
eeoee Bet 4L 5L 6W total is -7. Same next
Next bet = 5u (-1 after last win)
A.
Hi Mogul,
For opportunities read qualifiers. Thought everyone would realise that.
Re: your post O/E 21 unit loss. I have checked it and it comes out at +7 units. Think that you need to go back to the beginning (well at least read what I have said)
Cheers,
Brian
Hi bleep those #'s are multi player, so i'll let you decide what you think, but those and these #'s i've made nearly 500 units, but like you i have bet differently.
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Hi Mogul,
Just seen that Atlantis has reviewed your matrix. He has used his way of playing. I have used mine and it checks out at +7 units.
Cheers,
Brian
Hi All,
What I think that we can all agree on is that Profit Trickler is very good and deserves to be tested by everyone. Read the posts and decide for yourself which is the way that you want to play it.
I and Ewarwoowar agree and play same way and are getting good results. Atlantis is playing his way and getting good results. We are all getting to the same destination but just by different routes. As long as it ends up good that is all that matters.
Brian
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 26, 05:32 PM 2017
Hi bleep those #'s are multi player, so i'll let you decide what you think, but those and these #'s i've made nearly 500 units, but like you i have bet differently.
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Hi Notto
+10 on your second graphic. I don't record the zeroes so the last line would have started after a L1 (0) with w2 next on the Opp (Odd)
A.
Hi Notto,
I have no idea where you got 500 units from but who cares. Me, because I want to know how you did it. Can you please put everyone in the picture?
Cheers,
Brian
Just to be clear, I am not at odds with ANYONE.
Apparently I have my head up my ass. I will work this
through and see.
Thanks for clarifying this for me. I appreciate your time Atlantis.
My life is aiming in a direction
where I can use this. And yes, it looks solid.
The only question I have is that sometimes it may seem more
solid to play the next line in accordance with the previous one.
Like the times when you get killer streaks. Something I am
watching.
Hi Mogul,
Are you still with us?
You may/or may not have realised that this is NLE but in matrix form. (vertical instead of horizontal) Told you NLE was good.
Well I`m away to have a coffee now.
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 26, 05:47 PM 2017
Hi Notto,
I have no idea where you got 500 units from but who cares. Me, because I want to know how you did it. Can you please put everyone in the picture?
Cheers,
Brian
Oh on the mickey mouse roulette using $25 units, what i've been doing is watching the columns as well as Trickler, i just thought you might like the spins, who knows if they are real #'s like steve say's or its software
atlantis, Bleep interesting i'll be in Betfred tomorrow and collect the #'s so you can see if RNG susses out the method.
Hi mogul,
Sure. I quite understand and you're right to be cautious and careful in these still early stages of trials... I'm also in agreement with you in that clarity is essential as we move forward in formulating the optimum way to play this. There may be well something advantageous in what you've noticed or identified, something that can be used to improve performance in which case it should be brought into the open with an example and given due consideration; that is, if you care to share your findings so we can discuss the pros and cons; if merited can be included as an optional new rule. Be great if we could make it bomb-proof though! :smile:
A.
Here's the same data, presumably done right.
Tell me.
Odd/even
EOEOE
EEEEO S
0OEOE Bet 1L 2L 3W total is 0 same
EOOOO Bet 3L 4W total is +1 same
OEOOE Bet 1L 2L 3W total is +1 same
EEEEE Bet 1L 2W total is +2 same
OOO0O Bet 1L 2L 3L total is -4 same
EEOEE Bet 4L 5L 6W total is -7 same
EOOOO Bet 5W total is -2 same
EOOEO Bet 4W total is +2 opp
EOOEE Bet 1W total is +3 same
OEEEO Bet 1L 2L 3L total is -3 same
EEEEO Bet 4L 5L 6L total is -18 same
EEEEO Bet 7W` total is -11 opp
EEEEE Bet 6L 7L 8L total is -32
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 26, 06:04 PM 2017
Hi mogul,
Sure. I quite understand and you're right to be cautious and careful in these still early stages of trials... I'm also in agreement with you in that clarity is essential as we move forward in formulating the optimum way to play this. There may be well something advantageous in what you've noticed or identified, something that can be used to improve performance in which case it should be brought into the open with an example and given due consideration; if merited can be included as an optional new rule. Be great if we could make it bomb-proof though! :smile:
A.
Well please review what I just posted with the rest of my data.
I don't see a +7 anywhere. (There is a little more data, but it
fairs the same).
I like the idea of the reset of the D'alenbert. And I still wonder about
following the trend instead of the opposite of it.
Waiting for your opinion of my run.
Thoughts?
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 26, 05:53 PM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Are you still with us?
You may/or may not have realised that this is NLE but in matrix form. (vertical instead of horizontal) Told you NLE was good.
Well I`m away to have a coffee now.
Brian
I didn't realize that. It isn't really though. It's not looking for 3 or 4
in a row. But similar concept.
Why are you drinking coffee at 11PM (6pm here)
Quote from: mogul397 on Feb 26, 05:50 PM 2017
The only question I have is that sometimes it may seem more
solid to play the next line in accordance with the previous one.
Like the times when you get killer streaks. Something I am
watching.
Mogul,
The layouts for odd/even and high/low are somewhat different for the American wheel as compared to the Euro wheel (red/black are the same -- they alternate with one another), so your results might be somewhat different from what our UK friends are getting.
Just keep that in mind as you do your testing.
OK. Correction I made a mistake. But here is the continuation....
Odd/even
EOEOE
EEEEO S
0OEOE Bet 1L 2L 3W total is 0 same
EOOOO Bet 3L 4W total is +1 same
OEOOE Bet 1L 2L 3W total is +1 same
EEEEE Bet 1L 2W total is +2 same
OOO0O Bet 1L 2L 3L total is -4 same
EEOEE Bet 4L 5L 6W total is -7 same
EOOOO Bet 5W total is -2 same
EOOEO Bet 4W total is +2 opp
EOOEE Bet 1W total is +3 same
OEEEO Bet 1L 2L 3L total is -3 same
EEEEO Bet 4L 5W total is -2 same
EEEEO Bet 4W total is +2 opp
EEEEE Bet 1L 2L 3L total is -4 opp
EEEEO Bet 4L 5L 6L total is -19 opp
00EEO00 Bet 7L 8L 9L total is -43 ??
0EOE00
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 26, 06:12 PM 2017
Mogul,
The layouts for odd/even and high/low are somewhat different for the American wheel as compared to the Euro wheel (red/black are the same -- they alternate with one another), so your results might be somewhat different from what our UK friends are getting.
Just keep that in mind as you do your testing.
Good Dr.
Yes, I have noticed differences in EC's but never had a thought of why.
Hi Mogul,
Just to clarify in your matrix reply 160 is that 2 zeroes I see in there?
Coffee does not stop me getting to sleep. In fact nothing does. I could go to sleep on a washing line.
Following a trend does not appeal to me: R/B Dozens whatever. Never looked at that way of playing. Yes I have sometimes re-set my progression stakes but it can mean longer to get back in front so I am not a great fan.
I will re-work your matrix when I know about those zeroes. I can say that you are not playing my way. Think it must be Atlantis`s way.
Brian
Quote from: mogul397 on Feb 26, 06:05 PM 2017
Here's the same data, presumably done right.
Tell me.
Odd/even
EOEOE
EEEEO S
0OEOE Bet 1L 2L 3W total is 0 same
EOOOO Bet 3L 4W total is +1 same
OEOOE Bet 1L 2L 3W total is +1 same
EEEEE Bet 1L 2W total is +2 same
OOO0O Bet 1L 2L 3L total is -4 same
EEOEE Bet 4L 5L 6W total is -7 same
EOOOO Bet 5W total is -2 same
EOOEO Bet 4W total is +2 opp
EOOEE Bet 1W total is +3 same
OEEEO Bet 1L 2L 3L total is -3 same
EEEEO Bet 4L 5L 6L total is -18 same
EEEEO Bet 7W` total is -11 opp
EEEEE Bet 6L 7L 8L total is -32
Hi Mogul,
I haven't yet tried the ODD/EVEN at all.
Thought you'd like to see your results without the zeroes recorded like I do... although they both occurred during betting
EOEOE
EEEEO same
OEOEE Bet 1L(0); 2w +1* same
OOOOO Bet 1L 2w +2* same
EOOEE Bet 1L 2w +3* same
EEEEO Bet 1L 2w +4* same
OOOEE Bet 1L 2L 3L(0) -2 same
OEEEO Bet 4w +2 same
OOOEO Bet 3w +5* same ===== STOPPED HERE
OEOEO Bet 1w +6* opp
OEEOE Bet 1L 2L 3w +6* same
EEOEE Bet 1L 2w +7* same
EEOEE Bet 1w +8* opp
EEOEE Bet 1L 2L 3L +2 opp
EEE Bet 4L 5L 6w -1
next bet = 5u
See how it makes a difference?!
However, I would have stopped at the +5 earlier :)
A,
Zeroes are not relevant if you are not betting on that particular spin. However, if you are betting then it is a loss and progression should move up to take account of it. Where a zero occurs in the matrix you can just wait for next spin and substitute that result so that you can keep on looking for a qualifier. Really it does not matter because we are at 50/50 so you could just take a guess. That is as good as any and will work out anyway later.
Bleep
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 26, 06:37 PM 2017
Zeroes are not relevant if you are not betting on that particular spin. However, if you are betting then it is a loss and progression should move up to take account of it. Where a zero occurs in the matrix you can just wait for next spin and substitute that result so that you can keep on looking for a qualifier. Really it does not matter because we are at 50/50 so you could just take a guess. That is as good as any and will work out anyway later.
Bleep
Yes. Brian is right. That's what I did with mogul's results. (Even though I would have got half-stake returns on the 2 that happened)
btw, mogul. I see I made a small mistake in my previous post on Line 4 it should be w1 and not L1; w2 but it does not affect the overall result at all.
A.
Atlantis,
I see what you are saying. But are you saying you have no zeros?
Either way, shifting every spin over one or two will change the results.
"Woulda, coulda, shoulda".
I'm starting to think that bleep had the best idea suggesting the
NLE route, where we actually bet against 3 in a row or something.
And it wasn't the frequency of zeros that killed it. It was the continued
losing.
Okay flatbet when 2 same, bet for change, 27 bets +3 it's what the law always says, flatbet
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Wonder how Fibonacci would fair on this
Possibly well, RG.
Nice work notto.
Last time I used Fibonacci was on baccarat
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 26, 06:59 PM 2017
Okay flatbet when 2 same, bet for change, 27 bets +3 it's what the law always says, flatbet
The law says flat bet -- what law is that?
I thought people were using the +1/-1 d'Alembert progression for this method.
The person. "thelaw".
You can either "lay down the law".....
or "lay down "thelaw"."
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 26, 06:59 PM 2017
Okay flatbet when 2 same, bet for change, 27 bets +3 it's what the law always says, flatbet
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This thing has two places where there is a long string. Counted as
losses. They are not valid triggers for 4-5-6 in a row.....
Hi Notto,
Yes there are 2 long strings. Perhaps bet after 2 the same for a change. If not win bet after 3 same for a change. If lost no more betting on that column until a new qualifier appears.
I remember reading in another thread with a different system but using a matrix: the advice was as above.
Most of the problem is using an EC. It`s a 50/50 bet so long strings are inevitable.
I prefer a six wide matrix and using 2 different EC`s alternating. We could of course just look for 1 bet per row and that would partly overcome the problem. Or only bet when it is 2 same (for same again or different)
Bleep
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 26, 09:34 PM 2017The law says flat bet -- what law is that?
Forum member called The Law
Quote from: mogul397 on Feb 26, 09:45 PM 2017
This thing has two places where there is a long string. Counted as
losses. They are not valid triggers for 4-5-6 in a row.....
Yes - betting against vert trebles or for vert trebles in matrix can work. All that has been tried before in other topics over different widths etc.
For instance take Lanky's Grail Method...
Profit Trickler Plus also uses grid - but different trigger methodology.
A.
a little ?, how long is a piece of string, is the answer unknown, or does math have an answer?
well whilst i await the answer, heres why i ask, here are 60 #'s posted by a member
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Do we have an average for the length a e/c can repeat, perhaps the average would be 3 spins, or maybe 6 spins.
Would this average prefer a certain wide Matrix, like Bleep likes a 6 wide, but would a 3 wide be any better.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 27, 04:31 AM 2017
Forum member called The Law
And when you "lay down thelaw", you say something
bad about him......
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 27, 04:34 AM 2017
Yes - betting against vert trebles or for vert trebles in matrix can work. All that has been tried before in other topics over different widths etc.
For instance take Lanky's Grail Method...
Profit Trickler Plus also uses grid - but different trigger methodology.
A.
I think that the trickler has proved it's worth. Wins after
wins, after wins.
I was just doing my job as the "thread killer". It just happens. I test
something once and a chink shows up.
Not sure what it is, but I think that it needs a session stop loss.
That's all.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 27, 06:37 AM 2017
a little ?, how long is a piece of string, is the answer unknown, or does math have an answer?
"How much wood would a wood chuck chuck, if a wood chuck could
chuck wood?"
"If a wood chuck could chuck would, he'd chuck as much wood as a
wood chuck could".
Tested 524 spins Wiesbaden H/L. came out with +37 u
using 1-2-4
max in a row 9L
maybe follow the trend is better than going against it. good tweak :thumbsup:
Hey 777
You played 1 2 4 and if lost all 3 went back to one unit?
Quote
Do we have an average for the length a e/c can repeat, perhaps the average would be 3 spins, or maybe 6 spins.
Would this average prefer a certain wide Matrix, like Bleep likes a 6 wide, but would a 3 wide be any better.
Interesting stuff, Notto.
Quote
I test something once and a chink shows up.
Not sure what it is, but I think that it needs a session stop loss.
That's all.
Hi mogul - I think you're right here... A piece of the puzzle is still missing; How to deal with continued betting losses is very important. It's sure to happen sometime. Need to avoid/stop/handle the longer losing betting strings that can and will occur.
Most times it will be OK - but have to figure something out. One way is to simply adjust the +1/-1 progression. It may be too risky to stick with that and I am sure a much, much milder form of rising bets can be used instead??
Well that is clearly one option.
And I didn't try the guetting yet too!
Thanks.
A.
I think that we can no longer see the wood for the trees in this thread. Maybe we need a wood chucker!
Seriously, are we over complicating things here and should go back to Atlantis`s original post. No one likes losses but we cannot factor in every eventuality otherwise there will be nothing left.
I have just played another session and +14. My main problem is recording and getting bets on in time but that is the nature of online roulette betting.
I am going back to NLE2 (3 same becoming 4) as it is much easier to play but I will keep an eye on Profit Trickler as it certainly has merit.
Bleep
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 27, 08:10 AM 2017
Hey 777
You played 1 2 4 and if lost all 3 went back to one unit?
thats right :)
Quote from: mogul397 on Feb 27, 07:40 AM 2017
And when you "lay down thelaw", you say something
bad about him......
nope The law is usually right, FB comes out a winner. He said it in devil street, guess the law is spot on :thumbsup:
Looking thru the trees, 2 the same, bet change, Flat Bet.
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In the past I have read people playing a three step Marty if lose all 3 steps revert back to one unit
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 27, 08:11 AM 2017
Interesting stuff, Notto.
Hi mogul - I think you're right here... A piece of the puzzle is still missing; How to deal with continued betting losses is very important. It's sure to happen sometime. Need to avoid/stop/handle the longer losing betting strings that can and will occur.
Most times it will be OK - but have to figure something out. One way is to simply adjust the +1/-1 progression. It may be too risky to stick with that and I am sure a much, much milder form of rising bets can be used instead??
Well that is clearly one option.
And I didn't try the guetting yet too!
Thanks.
A.
There's something about betting for 3 losses and only 1 win that
makes me scratch my head. Many of the wins come in the first
2 bets
Quote from: bleep24 on Feb 27, 08:23 AM 2017
I think that we can no longer see the wood for the trees in this thread. Maybe we need a wood chucker!
Seriously, are we over complicating things here and should go back to Atlantis`s original post. No one likes losses but we cannot factor in every eventuality otherwise there will be nothing left.
I have just played another session and +14. My main problem is recording and getting bets on in time but that is the nature of online roulette betting.
I am going back to NLE2 (3 same becoming 4) as it is much easier to play but I will keep an eye on Profit Trickler as it certainly has merit.
Bleep
I definitely agree bleep. Of course, you are not stopping at
a 5 unit win. And it SEEMED like you were betting more often.
As promised, here I try a session using the "guetting" progression:
Level1 = 1
Level2 = 1.5 ; 2; 3
Level3 = 4; 6; 8
Level4 = 10; 15; 20
After TWO wins move up one stage
After ONE loss move down to first bet at lower level
H/L RESULTS W/L +/- For/Against Match
======== === === ==============
H H L H H
H H L H L A
L L L L L w1 +1 F
L L H L L w1 +2 A
L L L H L L1.5; L1;w1 +0.5 A
H L H L L w1 +1.5 F
H H H L L w1.5 +3 A
L H L L H w1.5 +4.5 F
L L H L H w2 +6.5 A
H L L L H w2 +8.5 A
L L H H L w3 +11.5 F
H L H L L L3; w1 +9.5 A
L L H L L w1 +10.5 A
L H L H L L1.5;w1 +10 F
L H L H H w1 +11 A
L L L H H L1.5;w1 +10.5 A
H H H H H w1 +11.5 F
L H L H H L1.5; w1 +11 A
L H H H H L1; L1; w1 +10 A
L H L H L L1;L1;w1 +9 A
L H H L L L1; L1;w1 +8 F
H L L L H L1; L1; L1 +5 F
H H H L H w1 +6 A
L H H H L w1 +7 F
L H H L H w1.5 +8.5 A
L L L L L L1.5;w1 +8 F
L L H L H w1 +9 A
L L H H H L1; L1; L1 +6 A
L H L L L L1;w1 +6 F
H L H H L L1;L1;L1 +3 F
H H H H H w1 +4 A
H L L H H L1;w1 +4 A
L H L L H w1 +5 F
H H H H H L1.5;w1 +4.5 F
Regards,
A.
OOPS! Methinks I did not operate the "guetting" quite correctly in places.
If you win at a stage and then lose; it cancels out ; so you continue at same level. If next is loss reduce down as usual!
So here is corrected:
H/L RESULTS W/L +/- For/Against Match
======== === === ==============
H H L H H
H H L H L A
L L L L L w1 +1 F
L L H L L w1 +2 A
L L L H L L1.5; L1;w1 +0.5 A
H L H L L w1 +1.5 F
H H H L L w1.5 +3 A
L H L L H w1.5 +4.5 F
L L H L H w2 +6.5 A
H L L L H w2 +8.5 A
L L H H L w3 +11.5 F
H L H L L L3; w3 +11.5 A
L L H L L w3 +14.5 A
L H L H L L4;w1.5 +12.5 F
L H L H H w1.5 +14 A
L L L H H L1.5;w1.5 +14 A
H H H H H w1.5 +15.5 F
L H L H H L2; w1 +14.5 A
L H H H H L1; L1; w1 +13.5 A
L H L H L L1;L1;w1 +12.5 A
L H H L L L1; L1;w1 +11.5 F
H L L L H L1; L1; L1 +8.5 F
H H H L H w1 +9.5 A
L H H H L w1 +10.5 F
L H H L H w1.5 +12 A
L L L L L L1.5;w1.5 +12 F
L L H L H w1.5 +13.5 A
L L H H H L1.5; L1.5; L1 +9.5 A
L H L L L L1;w1 +9.5 F
H L H H L L1;L1;L1 +6.5 F
H H H H H w1 +7.5 A
H L L H H L1;w1 +7.5 A
L H L L H w1 +8.5 F
H H H H H L1.5;w1 +8 F
A.
I see I still got a little bit wrong - serves me right for not checking thoroughly - but not making any significant difference at all...
:)
The good thing about guetting is it keeps the stakes really LOW when on a lengthy losing string and only increases when the wins come.
To quote RG: "I actually quite like it."
Regards,
A.
That's it?
Try zumma page 158. The problem I'm having is getting any matches/wins.
I think that letting 3 losses run and stopping at one win is backwards.
I'm leaving the ol' trickler to move on to something much more sensational.
I'll be sharing it soon. :)
(Not based on <ahem> "Linearity" either!) :smile:
A.
Hi Atlantis,
Go for it!!!!
Bleep
That would be good Atlantis, cause I'm not feeling the
whole repletion thing, or not. IT seems to have a decided
ability and advantage to go against.
Maybe playing for the "last match" match or opposite, is a way
to go.
atlantis
Just a question.
when forming the matrix, you always note left to right for the desired matrix size, like 3,5 6 or 7 wide, Have you ever tried a zig zag
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Zig zag being in pink.
WOW not being a matrix player the zig zag did change the 1st 10 lines from reply 196 above
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the line with the pink square is reversed, whether makes a difference, i would not know