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Quoteand maybe you will get it free....what bo[[ocks
LOL, maestro, don't worry mate, whatever gets sent to them wont be a long term winner, there is no mechanical method (yet and after all these years) that will work EVERY time you play.
They'll get tired of coding it all eventually and give up, the only way to win every session is understand what's happening RIGHT NOW while you play, as every time you play it's a different time, day, tide, moon phase, temperature, humidity, solar event, etc etc etc
Hi All and thanks for your concerns.
And I can fully agree with Superman.
But first if all we will never claim we will have longtime winner or guarantee any big wins or what so ever.
We only want to increase the chance to profits.
That pure mechanical system will fail a 200% agree, but thats why we will take another approach, for the moment we test them, but based on the results we try to improve and tweak them, with different parameters.
@superman...thanks mate long time ago i understood that..but not the hard way :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: superman on Aug 08, 07:48 AM 2013
LoL, maestro, don't worry mate, whatever gets sent to them won't be a long term winner, there is no mechanical method (yet and after all these years) that will work EVERY time you play.
They'll get tired of coding it all eventually and give up, the only way to win every session is understand what's happening RIGHT NOW while you play, as every time you play it's a different time, day, tide, moon phase, temperature, humidity, solar event, etc etc etc
Well said superman, until you understand that when you play a session, you have to fully understand what is going at that moment in time, to bet blindly without taking into account what is going on at the table is the quickest way to go broke!
This thread is getting too sensible.
Can we get back to some martingale discussions please 8)
Some nice comments in this thread and a good dose of truth!
QuoteThat pure mechanical system will fail a 200% agree, but that's why we will take another approach, for the moment we test them, but based on the results we try to improve and tweak them, with different parameters
That's very plausible to say BUT in reality we are only re jigging to suit what just happened and as that probably wont happen in the same manner again makes it a bad jiggle, when we re jiggle or morph a method we are only doing it because of a bad run that ALREADY happened the same scenario may never appear again.
As I have said many times before, I've run my bots for days/weeks before hitting a bad run, you may think why for so long, well, doing it for so long allows us to see as many forms of random as possible, at some point it will hit the fan. NOW you may also think, if a method can survive a week of running it is a method that can win a lot of money, maybe, but we don't know if that bad run will happen straight away or after a few thousand spins so it gets canned as useless in my opinion.
QuoteSome nice comments in this thread and a good dose of truth!
That's nice to hear, others would say I was just negative, I don't like to hear of people losing their rent money, there's too many members on these forums who really do think roulette will pay their salary, well, it is possible to win consistently if you know what you are doing but it isn't as easy as following someones posted rules, that's what 99% of players don't want to hear, if it was easy, there would be no casinos.
Looks like some heavy reactions on this topic.
I only proposed to do something, I did not ask any money or what so ever, only offered a free service…
But anyway… my offer stays
That a strategy needs to be flexible, I know.
That you need to look at current session, I know
I even look at casino, table and dealer session, so I can tell you want strategy will have more chance to work at what casino, table or dealer or not…
Once again I don’t claim we have an all time, 500$ a day system or what so ever, I only TRY to provide a solution to increase your chance of profit.
Maybe I need to rephrase it to we only TRY to limit your certainty of losses.
Very interesting thoughts.
Superman, if you have seen me around, then you already know that am a newbie trying to understand this game better. You would also know that am on a little quest for answering a question which centres around the difference between a methodical selection process and a random selection. I think around the thought process that you have posted I have two important queries to ask.
1. I saw your signature which reads. “There is only one way forward. Follow the random. Don’t fight with itâ€. Now my question to you is - Random is random. It is random because I don’t know which way its going next. Now how do I follow it, when I don’t know where its going next? I might be thinking that am following it, but in reality I might be fighting with it.
2. The other question is around the phrase “understand what is happening RIGHT NOWâ€. I am inclined to agree with you here based on my limited knowledge of the game. But I simply don’t know how to understand what is happening and no one seems to explain this in the forum. Based on your experience do you think it is possible? If you think it is possible, would you be able to share some thoughts/tips on how we can do this? I have failed on this aspect miserably. I try following the game and after certain spins I start to think I know what is happening right now and start betting. And all of a sudden it feels as if someone knows exactly what I think and things start changing to the opposite and all I could do is watch it in misery.
3. Now when I wrote that, it led to my third question eventhough I said only 2 questions. Thing is even if I understand what is happening “RIGHT NOWâ€, I wont know what is going to happen “IN THE FUTUREâ€. Theories point me to the direction that every spin is an independent event. Now if that’s the case how does understanding what is happening “RIGHT NOW†going to help me decide what is going to happen “IN THE FUTUREâ€?
I would be really grateful, if you can share your experience and help us learn from it on these questions around random that’s currently burning in my head.
Btn, Peter â€" a very nice R&D tool. The only drawback you will have to code the system into it ïŠ Certainly it might not have the super intelligence that the humans have to find the CURRENTSTATE and base decisions on it, but it certainly has the computational power that man doesn’t have to tweak things to explore and see whether small changes make big differences. Good job dear!
Yanks
I won't attempt any answers as the question was directed to Superman.
Just want to say your questions are "spot on" as they say.
Sam
Priyanka, thx for the support!
I know the most difficult part still needs to come, but for that we need first data, and Im collection data for a few months now and making sure the framework of spin4fun is solid.
In a previous life I build simulators and virtual training solution… so maybe I know a bit of decision making software and AI… maybe it come in handy…
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Aug 08, 11:15 AM 2013
I build simulators and virtual training solution…
No wonder! I have hardly seen programmers of my generation take the WPF route which is very powerful as we can see from your graphs analyzing and producing simultaneous output with ease and without any hiccups. We all take the easy API route :)
@ Priyanka
MY REPLY IS BASED ON RNG, there's zero difference to the numbers, it's been debated over and over and the conclusion was, un noticeable, for those that hate RNG please don't respond and show your ignorance.
OK, although I have wrote it many times over on this and other forums, after years of bot/simulating tests I have found nothing that can be reliable to leave running every time a session starts BUT during all those years (and I have gigabytes of coded methods on my hard drive over that time) I have, as we all do, noticed the outputs and when just watching the numbers roll in you get a feeling that the next colour wiold be red, and it is, so SOMETHING led you to that decision, what was it? this is the key, sadly, you either see it or you don't
YES a lot of times you get it wrong, I would estimate I win on average 35 - 40% of the bets, so no magic there, true, but you also need to be clever/lucky with your bet amounts, how you decide to recover and over what duration, what ceiling you make as your max bet, you can't just keep chucking chips in, an example
lets say playing red black, you play FTL, you notice the board is full of flip flops, you decide to attack, you start 1 unit
L 1 unit
L 1 unit
L 2 units
L 3 units
W -1 units
Board flip flops further, still a good idea to attack again, you wate for a RR or BB and bet 2 units
L 2 = -3 units
W 3 = 0
I increased straight away as the board has been chopping for some time, 10 to 15 spins so with my target being to atleast get back to zero and forget those 2 attacks or make 1 unit, forget greed
I would now continue every bet playing FTL until I was either down 10 units or the game went back into flip flops between red and black. Yes you could play OTL but I have always preferred following the colours. Sometimes at certain times I will double up, marty style but never any higher than 8 as the deeper the hole the longer it takes, preasure gets the better of you and the wheels fall off, fast. Other times, I may just lose 4 or 5 bets and can't decide what the boards doing so just note the loss and flat bet 1 or 2 units for a while.
Quotea question which centres around the difference between a methodical selection process and a random selection
You will find there will be very little difference percentage wise, no matter how you decide where to bet, both ways will have the same win/loss percentages over time in my opinion
Quote“understand what is happening RIGHT NOWâ€. I am inclined to agree with you here based on my limited knowledge of the game. But I simply don’t know how to understand what is happening and no one seems to explain this in the forum
That'll be mainly because not many are able to grasp it yet, they will after time when they've stared at their screen for hours and hours over months even years, red black are the easiest to see flowing down the marquee, even chances are the best percentage of chance to win (unless you like heavey progressions and play dozens or columns) it's hard enough to concentrate on your bet size so this way you don't need to track anything, when you play you ALWAYS look at the marquee, so if you always look here the only way to use it and do less with your brain is red and black, its easy to see visually at a glance, thats why I play red black. It cant really be taught you are guessing all the time.
The above progression and flip flop figures are not fixed sizes they are just to examplify the process, I don't do the same thing every session but this should just give you a brief idea of what works for me and how I think, HTH
@Neal....
Do you ever do the same for E/O and L/H at all ? since each and every EC outcome gives you those three results, and U could be playing 3 banks, one for each Independent EC type.
Just wondered.
That's the one beauty of RNG games, is you have all the time in the world to think, analyses, and make your decision, before hitting the "Spin" button.......no pressure off any dealer lag time per spin.
Cheers Caped Friend.
C
Hey Superman,
Thanks for taking the time to respond and share with us your thought process. Much appreciated.
So, I am glad an experience person like you is thinking like what am thinking, which is the outcome of a randomly selected bet has little or no difference to a proper bet selection. That's reassuring in my journey.
Also, due to this, I also get the part that it is primarily MM that you are controlling and not the bet selection. As you rightly said, betselection is like voodoo, either you get it or not :) Even though, you havn't directly answered the other questions that I asked, I got some very relevant learnings here. Thanks! Looking forward to read more from you.
Quote from: superman on Aug 08, 01:25 PM 2013
red black are the easiest to see flowing down the marquee,
Very true, that's why I created a little tracker to visually show the other ECs and shared with the community to make visual reading possible.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 11:03 AM 2013
I won't attempt any answers as the question was directed to Superman.
Sam I would be glad to hear your views as well. Eventhough it was directed at Superman, any pointers on these questions will be much appreciated.
Yanks
Please know this is only my opinion. I have not been up the mountain!
1. I saw your signature which reads. “There is only one way forward. Follow the random. Don’t fight with itâ€. Now my question to you is - Random is random. It is random because I don’t know which way its going next. Now how do I follow it, when I don’t know where its going next? I might be thinking that am following it, but in reality I might be fighting with it.
I agree with Superman; RNG is no different than real--except much faster. How to follow the flow? If there was a definitive answer, the casinos would shut down. When I play the VLS Lw Methodology, I try to see what is happening in each category. "Most" of the time, it will follow a trend. Sometimes it won't. Sometimes I just can't pin it down, so I quit. As I said in my video, I'm guessing. Spike says luck can be improved with practice. He's a rough teacher--as is Superman--but he may be right.
2. The other question is around the phrase “understand what is happening RIGHT NOWâ€. I am inclined to agree with you here based on my limited knowledge of the game. But I simply don’t know how to understand what is happening and no one seems to explain this in the forum. Based on your experience do you think it is possible? If you think it is possible, would you be able to share some thoughts/tips on how we can do this? I have failed on this aspect miserably. I try following the game and after certain spins I start to think I know what is happening right now and start betting. And all of a sudden it feels as if someone knows exactly what I think and things start changing to the opposite and all I could do is watch it in misery.
There are times when things will just go your way and times when you'll swear the gods of gambling have it in for you. Personally, I think one can only make an educated guess as to what is going to happen next. I am constantly asking myself...what is the wheel doing? Or the RNG? It seems to me it does something for a while and then something else. Ralph says it's all luck; he may be right.
3. Now when I wrote that, it led to my third question eventhough I said only 2 questions. Thing is even if I understand what is happening “RIGHT NOWâ€, I won't know what is going to happen “IN THE FUTUREâ€. Theories point me to the direction that every spin is an independent event. Now if that’s the case how does understanding what is happening “RIGHT NOW†going to help me decide what is going to happen “IN THE FUTUREâ€?
I can honestly tell you every spin is NOT an independent event; they are somehow tied to one another. This is pure Voodoo, but I still swear by it. I have often stated that certain numbers cause other numbers to come. Maybe I'm the Cat chasing the illusionary mouse!
I've heard it said of craps: The table is hot! No, the table may have been hot and may continue to be hot but there is no IS. Same with roulette. "The wheel is producing red." No, it was producing red. May keep on; may not. Since Victor was so kind in re-writing his seminal software, I intend to test it to the Nth degree. I will learn if I can follow random or if I'm just being lucky and riding a trend. I'll report either way.
Hope this mess helps more than it confuses.
TwoCat
Quote@Neal....
Do you ever do the same for E/O and L/H at all ? since each and every EC outcome gives you those three results, and You could be playing 3 banks, one for each Independent EC type
Nope I stick with red black all the time, why complicate it, its tough enough on one EC main reason is if you play ALL ECs' and they all go t1ts up at the same time panic sets in easier, above all, less is more and more is greed
Thanks Sam. I'm learning. It definitely helps to hear your perspective. :thumbsup:
Quote from: superman on Aug 08, 07:48 AM 2013
LoL, maestro, don't worry mate, whatever gets sent to them wont be a long term winner, there is no mechanical method (yet and after all these years) that will work EVERY time you play.
They'll get tired of coding it all eventually and give up, the only way to win every session is understand what's happening RIGHT NOW while you play, as every time you play it's a different time, day, tide, moon phase, temperature, humidity, solar event, etc etc etc
Yes it is difficult to build one single strategy.. There are many factors to consider.
Is this for real??? :o
Hi i have been betting a simple straagy but have no idea how to do the bot hting i pl;ay at bet voyager casino no zero table bet odds
SYSYEM start $35 ( because im poor lol)
$1 odd if win restart
if loose
$2 odd
if win restart
if loose
$4 odd
if win restart
if loose
$8 odd
if win restart
if loose
$16 odd
if win restart
if loose stop (because im poor then only lost $35)
If reach $200 add
if win restart
if loose
$32 odd
if win restart if loose stop (only loose $70 of $200)
when reach $400 start betting
$2 odd (as before doubling if loosing)
etc
i started this with $35 doing good but time consuming any help would be great cheers