Just wondering what type of edge people have managed to achieve using non random methods...
Eg. 9% edge (including zero)
Or 12% excluding zero
That type of thing
I don't think an edge is possible unless the wheel is exploited
To say otherwise is foolish
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 01, 04:04 PM 2017
I don't think an edge is possible unless the wheel is exploited
To say otherwise is foolish
Thank you for you opinion RG, however it seems like rrbb and Priyanka to name just a few have found some non random principles that do give edge to some extent. So my question was aimed at people that believe they do have an edge.
Would like to know how much edge is possible using the principles discussed in random thoughts. If anyone has indeed created any sort of method that uses them.
I'm not saying good strategies don't exist
I'm just saying I don't think we can change the math
How it came to be. People have been trying to design systems to overcome house edge, beat a game with no memory and defy mathematicians since this game came to be.
WHILE 1000S of systems need random to deliver something within a certain number of spins to succeed. PATTERN BREAKER asks RANDOM to do something its not very good at people. DELIVER THE LAST PATTERN OF A THREE SPIN HI LO COMBINATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER ITS DELIVERED THE SECOND TO LAST.
THE RULES...
1, You write the 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin Hi lo pattern down like this
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
2, You now proceed to record spins for hi lo in rows of three. Every three spins will produce one of those 8 possible patterns, a repeat of one or a pattern with a zero. An average game takes 50-60 spins to complete. To speed turnover you can backtrack twenty spins for a max of THREE TIMES A SESSION.
3, You cross off each of the 8 possible patterns as they are produced and write a number next to them. EVENTUALLY, there will be ONE PATTERN LEFT.
4, You IMMEDIATELY bet against that pattern using a three step progression 2,4,8=14pts risk.
5,If a zero hits while recording patterns, example
H0L You record it under your 8 non zero patterns. If a zero hits during betting you accept it as a losing spin and complete the progression. OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1
6, The method requires 7 wins to match a losing progression. ITS POWER, is the ability to create winning streaks that average 40 in a row. I have 3 100plus streaks in my records. I've never lost twice in a row.
7, TO BE PLAYED LIVE OR AIRBALL not RNG. I will give money management examples if the interest is there. It ought to be, I turned 14 units into 680 in a month. If you hit a power streak you can go nuclear in profits. Then BANK and start again. So there it is PATTERN BREAKER...
is this not trying to gain an edge, did it succeed
I tested it before and it failed
Thanks Mr F
Thanks notto a very interesting read and a very well thought out system... I like this one a lot and might give it a try myself. TY for your reply. May I ask if this is the main strategy you use?
Notto may give that a go on my local airball casino that just opened
Just for shits and giggles. Thanks
Rg thats a big cheat machine. Usually 30 and 40sec/spin. Anyway give that a go. Good luck
Oh sorry. Posted in wrong place
Wanna talk pattern breaker?
I looked over zumma a lot
I've never really seen a double repeat of a dozen back to back
What I mean is seeing
1
1
2
2
Then again
1
1
2
2
That's very rare
Quote from: nottophammer on May 01, 05:05 PM 2017
How it came to be. People have been trying to design systems to overcome house edge, beat a game with no memory and defy mathematicians since this game came to be.
WHILE 1000S of systems need random to deliver something within a certain number of spins to succeed. PATTERN BREAKER asks RANDOM to do something its not very good at people. DELIVER THE LAST PATTERN OF A THREE SPIN HI LO COMBINATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER ITS DELIVERED THE SECOND TO LAST.
THE RULES...
1, You write the 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin Hi lo pattern down like this
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH
2, You now proceed to record spins for hi lo in rows of three. Every three spins will produce one of those 8 possible patterns, a repeat of one or a pattern with a zero. An average game takes 50-60 spins to complete. To speed turnover you can backtrack twenty spins for a max of THREE TIMES A SESSION.
3, You cross off each of the 8 possible patterns as they are produced and write a number next to them. EVENTUALLY, there will be ONE PATTERN LEFT.
4, You IMMEDIATELY bet against that pattern using a three step progression 2,4,8=14pts risk.
5,If a zero hits while recording patterns, example
H0L You record it under your 8 non zero patterns. If a zero hits during betting you accept it as a losing spin and complete the progression. OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1
6, The method requires 7 wins to match a losing progression. ITS POWER, is the ability to create winning streaks that average 40 in a row. I have 3 100plus streaks in my records. I've never lost twice in a row.
7, TO BE PLAYED LIVE OR AIRBALL not RNG. I will give money management examples if the interest is there. It ought to be, I turned 14 units into 680 in a month. If you hit a power streak you can go nuclear in profits. Then BANK and start again. So there it is PATTERN BREAKER...
is this not trying to gain an edge, did it succeed
notto,
Isn't this essentially
John Legend's Pattern Breaker that you have posted here?
As I have said before, we have to give credit where credit is due.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on May 01, 09:48 PM 2017
notto,
Isn't this essentially John Legend's Pattern Breaker that you have posted here?
As I have said before, we have to give credit where credit is due.
Here is the Pattern Breaker page:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4655.0
Strangely, notto just copied and pasted it here without mentioning John Legend's name.
Give credit where credit is due.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 01, 05:05 PM 2017
7, TO BE PLAYED LIVE OR AIRBALL not RNG. I will give money management examples if the interest is there. It ought to be, I turned 14 units into 680 in a month. If you hit a power streak you can go nuclear in profits. Then BANK and start again. So there it is PATTERN BREAKER...
nottophammer,
From my perspective what you describe is an "Event". Priyanka and Kimo Li both talked about the importance of events in the last few weeks.
I am interested to see your money management examples.
Very rare is not non-random.
Edge is when an event for some reason occur more often than the payout.
...or by some means you know of an event before it occurs.
Edge does not necessarily need a non-random event.
You are talking about advantage play
Physics. Flaws. Etc
Many here don't want to play that way
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on May 01, 09:50 PM 2017Strangely, notto just copied and pasted it here without mentioning John Legend's name.
dont all know of pattern breaker, just thought as you're all chasing this elusive edge, did this achieve what you are looking for.
Mr F says no edge as FAILED
I was bored and I started to think about cycles and the fact that usual 2 double streets is sleepers. I want play all hot sectors.
I played so that after falling out a doublestreet I play it through 6 spins count on repeat, after repeat another 6 spins and so on so all doublestreets, we know that at least 2 double streets should sleep but sometimes sleeps up to 4.
Simulations played on bet woyager nozero after 2000 spins I was over 160 units forward.
I have no idea how to play this on zero wheel , but without zero it should generate an edge.
Quote from: Malvador on May 01, 04:25 PM 2017
Would like to know how much edge is possible using the principles discussed in random thoughts. If anyone has indeed created any sort of method that uses them.
If I am not mistaken, Priyanka mentioned some indicative numbers about that.
But in order to prove that, the only thing would be to find out for ourselves, right? :)
Although I dont see much of importance if anyone tells me that I might have 1 or 10 or 50 or 500% of an edge. For me just the edge is enough. So even 1% of an edge would be ok to me :thumbsup: I would know what to do with it.
Cheers
Neil (AKA Superman) set a live challenge to JL to prove his method worked. He even provided the br.
He crashed and burned and dissapeared.
Finding the edge for no zero roulette is not the hardest challenge.
But finding an edge for a wheel with zero is a problem.
Different from the topic, theoretically in all online casinos the simplest way to win from the edge is betvoyager game equal odds blackjack with basic strategy.
But even do not try this for money, disconections of software makes the house edge even bigger than roulette with zero, which makes it a great scam.
Like Drazen, for me enough edge its 1%, if you know the probability of deviations and virtual limits, in long term you can make money.
My friend played professionally counting cards in online casinos, used an excel tracker to count the cards in black jack, even somewhere I have this tracker on the disk, his fun did not last too long, about 3 years, when he increased the stake ,was ban, then he use accounts of other people, but still was not allowed to win more money when he increased the rate again ban,
Nowadays, online casinos are sensitive to this type of player and still this is very hard work.