I have created this thread to provide members who have used or are using any of Kimo Li's bet selection/Systems an opportunity to show your currents stats or experiences with his methods.
Also, if anyone wants to take me up on the Kimo Li method challenge, just let me know how many numbers that you need to get started and we can agree on terms. I will be pulling numbers from a Spielbank day that I will reveal for transparency after the test is complete.
Here are a couple of links that Kimo provided on another thread to get us started :
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20249.msg148473#msg148473 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20249.msg148473#msg148473)
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20064.msg147113#msg147113 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20064.msg147113#msg147113)
Please show your work. Thanks! :)
For me Kimo profits. Not that much though. But it does. And maybe it's not the system that doesn't work but the guy who TRIES to play it.
Denzie
Law.
just post first 20 numbers, and I give numbers that will hit before the 38th spin. using stars or pie method.
@ thelaw
You are coming across as kind of desperate. Is this your last sortie into solving the roulette puzzle before you give up all together ? Oh and thanks a bunch for contributing to getting the last thread locked !
Why would anybody want to help you by giving away hard earned analysis from thousands of hours of study,yet you demand / expect it.
I'll tell you what I did , it may help you if you have the mind set to do it.
I loaded Kimo's tracker into excel , I monitored 5 different sets of information looking at patterns / skips etc. One in particular caught my attention. I am now testing that 1 every chance I get. I am very pleased with the results SO FAR. Let's put it this way , I doubt I'll be switching my focus away from Kimo LI's methods for a while as there are lots more angles to test.
So I suggest you stop fishing for information so that you can reverse engineer etc. and do like myself and a lot of others and just get on with it. It's called hard work.
Isn't that always the problem? People want everything without putting in any effort.
I'm also using Kimo Li's strategy and for me it works. Maybe i'm not doing it like he teaches but it works for me. Maybe we could exchange some idea's and strategy's? I know there are more people on this board that learned the kimo li way by their selfs.
Quote from: P.A on Jul 03, 02:32 AM 2015
Law.
just post first 20 numbers, and I give numbers that will hit before the 38th spin. using stars or pie method.
Sounds good. Just a couple of items to clarify :1) How many estimated numbers should we expect after 20?
2) I will be using table results from Spielbank and will be reading the board Top-to-Bottom Left-to-Right. Agreed?
3) After we run each test (with the goal of 10 total) I will publish the Spielbank table and date info. Agreed?Will that work for you P.A?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 03, 12:08 AM 2015
thelaw
iggiv is just going to ban you if you keep on. If you haven't figured it out by now, he is in Kimo Li's corner. Which begs the question: Why does Mr. Li need anyone in his corner? Especially a moderator with the ability to delete posts and ban members.
ddarko made the statement that I was in Mr. Li's private section. I was because I was a co-administrator along with Lanky. Nothing was taught; nothing worthwhile was said. When was all said and done--there was a lot said and little done!--Mr. Li advised we should follow the wheel. Or was it watch the wheel? Or go with the flow? It was nothing you could nail to the wall.
You are banging your head against a wall.
TwoCat
Although I agree with you, Iggiv is a Mod, so it's his decision.
Until then, I can only keep searching for evidence. If enough people ask for evidence for system claims, then we might actually beat this game. Thanks TwoCat! :)
Quote from: klw on Jul 03, 06:18 AM 2015
@ thelaw
You are coming across as kind of desperate. Is this your last sortie into solving the roulette puzzle before you give up all together ? Oh and thanks a bunch for contributing to getting the last thread locked !
Why would anybody want to help you by giving away hard earned analysis from thousands of hours of study,yet you demand / expect it.
I'll tell you what I did , it may help you if you have the mind set to do it.
I loaded Kimo's tracker into excel , I monitored 5 different sets of information looking at patterns / skips etc. One in particular caught my attention. I am now testing that 1 every chance I get. I am very pleased with the results SO FAR. Let's put it this way , I doubt I'll be switching my focus away from Kimo LI's methods for a while as there are lots more angles to test.
So I suggest you stop fishing for information so that you can reverse engineer etc. and do like myself and a lot of others and just get on with it. It's called hard work.
KLW,
Step #1 : Proof that a System actually works
Step #2 : Learning the System (this might take hours or years)Without Step #1, Step #2 is a waste of time.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jul 03, 08:37 AM 2015
Isn't that always the problem? People want everything without putting in any effort.
I'm also using Kimo Li's strategy and for me it works. Maybe i'm not doing it like he teaches but it works for me. Maybe we could exchange some idea's and strategy's? I know there are more people on this board that learned the kimo li way by their selfs.
I'd be happy to exchange ideas but won't be exchanging any until I find one that works.
What's funny is even if Kimo Li gave specifics or the secret sauce to what makes it work... It wouldn't matter. Even if you know the path you still must walk the path. The only one who benefits by not revealing anything is Kimo Li. For those who say they found something, why not share and let others experience this, too? Aren't we all fighting the same opponent?
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 03, 09:20 AM 2015
I'd be happy to exchange ideas but won't be exchanging any until I find one that works.
What's funny is even if Kimo Li gave specifics or the secret sauce to what makes it work... It wouldn't matter. Even if you know the path you still must walk the path. The only one who benefits by not revealing anything is Kimo Li. For those who say they found something, why not share and let others experience this, too? Aren't we all fighting the same opponent?
I would love to exchange some idea's but most of the time someone comes around and says everything is bullshit and they need prove. It's a strategy not a system. If i was a system i would code a bot and let it run. But it doesn't work that way.
It's a work in progress. I don't have the holy grail. Sometimes i win and sometimes i lose. I don't know why yet. That's what i'm trying to figure out now.
Do you know all the kimo li stuff from the books?
Law,
Just give 20 numbers from any source, no need to start from the very first spins.
I will not try to search where the numbers come from..hahahaaa!
I will try to give numbers that will
1]hit before the 38th spin, [next 16spins, from 21st to 37th spin].
and numbers that, will
2]hit in next 100 or 200spins.
by using pie and star theory of
1]"balance or bias wheel"
2] Part of the wheel.that "On the run",
Please be assured that I will not try to cheat!,
If I predict right, I am no genius,
if I wrong wholesome, then my method no good.
We have nothing to lose!
For this just a game.
A forum to share and discuss.
We must agreed to disagreed toward some issues.
If I always 100% right, then I should making millions yearly,
For what I doing here?
U have the right to question Kimo Li's method, and any strategy mentioned in this forum,
as inquisitive mind, is the sign of person seeking the truth, and to educate himself.
No hard feeling.
Take it easy.
Gentlemen,
After trying to understand what Kimo Li Way.
I deduce that, the Way is about.
1]The behavior of the wheel.
2]The repeating behavior of the wheel.
3]Trying to take advantages of the repeating behavior of the wheel.
with a betting progression, whether grinding or parlay the repetitive behavior of the wheel.
---------------------------
Let me explain in detail...
1]The behavior of the wheel.
The wheel is just 360', with 37 or 38 equal part.
So if we take a euro wheel, ignore the Green, then the 36 can be divided into
1]36parts.
2]divided into 18,9,3, etc as long as it equal part.
So if we divided them into 12,12,12, then we have 3 slice of pie.
So in next three spins.
will..
1] All three pie hit.
2]Only two pie hit.
3]Only one pie hit?
We dont know!
For we cant predict future!
But we can predict probability and predict the averages outcome.
In a 111 spins,
we may say
1]all 3 pies will have almost equally hit, albeit the green.
Thats near equilibrium.
So how we going to take advantage of this probability?
in short term, say next 3spins.
we may bet
1]only 2pies hit=66%
2]all three pies hit=33%
We may choose not to bet, or choose to bet when the probability go our way.
So how are u going to take advantage of this probability?
The same goes for, if we slice the wheel
into
1]6 pies
2]4pies
3]2pies
4]etc.
--------------------------
2]The repeating behavior of the wheel.
in short term the wheel will have repetitive behavior, though they will RTM after a long term.
example.
1] In 12numbers , three pies,
two pies will always hit in next 3spins.
but will soon RTM, meaning all 3pie will also hit in next 3spins.
after a long term, u will see that
1]all 3pies in next 3spins=33%.
2]only 2pies in next 3spins=66%
3]Albeit green.
The same goes for stars numbers.
That nothing mysterious about betting the wheel, just need to understand the very basic of the wheel, and the slices of pies and the stars numbers.
Gentlemen,
Since we regard our self as gentleman,
we must refrain from using abusive words toward other. and having argumentative wars of nasty words, which bring this respectable forum, a few notch lower to the drain.
If we disagreed with others view, just ask some questions.
if the other party fail to give satisfactory answer, just move on!
just regard the other party uncooperative, uncivilized, c***y, or just plain ignorant blowing hot air..
Thanks.
Stars Numbers.
Euro wheel.
Look at the Zero green, count clockwise,
Zero,123456, 123456, 123456, 123456,123456, 123456,
If u cant understand what I mean, take 6 coins, and place them on every number one, count.
Zero, one,[place a coin here on one],23456,
1[place a coin here],23456,
1[place a coin here],23456,
1[place a coin here],23456,
1[place a coin here],23456,
1[place a coin here],23456,
Then step a few steps away, and look at the coins on the wheel,
u will see that , if not for the zero green, all the coins are equally apart from each others!
That stars number= one.
take away the coins...
Place the coins on TWO, that stars number TWO,
Place the coins on THREE that stars number THREE,
and so on.
And u now understand the star number all about.
Now, in the next 6spins,
1]will all 6stars number HIT?
What the probability that all 6 stars numbers will hit in next 6spin?
Get the idea now?
2]Will the star number repeat in next 6spins?
If only 4 stars numbers hit in 6spins, mean, two star repeat,
then other 2star number sleep.
Get the idea?
3] Will only ONE star number hit in the next 6 spins?
what the probability of only one star number hit?
Meaning that the other 5 stars number sleep?
GET THE IDEA???
Quote from: P.A on Jul 03, 09:54 PM 2015
Law,
Just give 20 numbers from any source, no need to start from the very first spins.
I will not try to search where the numbers come from..hahahaaa!
I will try to give numbers that will
1]hit before the 38th spin, [next 16spins, from 21st to 37th spin].
and numbers that, will
2]hit in next 100 or 200spins.
by using pie and star theory of
1]"balance or bias wheel"
2] Part of the wheel.that "On the run",
Please be assured that I will not try to cheat!,
If I predict right, I am no genius,
if I wrong wholesome, then my method no good.
We have nothing to lose!
For this just a game.
A forum to share and discuss.
We must agreed to disagreed toward some issues.
If I always 100% right, then I should making millions yearly,
For what I doing here?
U have the right to question Kimo Li's method, and any strategy mentioned in this forum,
as inquisitive mind, is the sign of person seeking the truth, and to educate himself.
No hard feeling.
Take it easy.
First 20 Numbers :
22
0
6
21
34
4
30
33
30
6
11
36
4
7
27
25
9
16
-- (dealer change)
16
27Your move P.A :)
After the 20 previous numbers, we could deduced that the wheel have a little bias. thus we bet the bias will repetitive.
Thus I set out a few option to bet the next 17spins.
I wish that all my option, will hit.
===================
OPTION no.1
one of those number will definitely hit in next 17spins
30,
16,
04,
06,
27,
=====================================
OPTION no.2
one of those number will definitely hit in next 17spins
19 , 34 , 30 , 16 , 9 , 12
==========================================
OPTION no.3
one of those number will definitely hit in next 17spins
4, 6 , 8 , 33, 22 ,35
=================================
OPTION no.4
there will be at least three hit,
of those number in next 17spins
06
10
11
13
17
25
34
27
36
30
08
23
================================
==============================================
four out of those five numbers definitely will hit,
in this hundred spins record.
17,
13,
08,
23,
10,
Thanks.
=============================================
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 03, 10:46 PM 2015
First 20 Numbers :
22
0
6
21
34
4
30
33
30
6
11
36
4
7
27
25
9
16
-- (dealer change)
16
27
Your move P.A :)
I would be betting on 0 5 7 12 16 25 34 and 9 14 19 30 32 36. Stop on a hit.
But on a dealer change i wil always retrack. I would also change my bet almost every spin so this challenge doesn't realy suit me :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 03, 10:46 PM 2015
First 20 Numbers :
22
0
6
21
34
4
30
33
30
6
11
36
4
7
27
25
9
16
-- (dealer change)
16
27
Your move P.A :)
I'm assuming these are Euro single 0 - could we play 00, too? or does that get too confusing?
Also, I play a new game if there's a dealer change.
Here are my numbers for the next THREE spins:
2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34
Quote from: P.A on Jul 04, 01:48 AM 2015
After the 20 previous numbers, we could deduced that the wheel have a little bias. thus we bet the bias will repetitive.
Thus I set out a few option to bet the next 17spins.
I wish that all my option, will hit.
===================
OPTION no.1
one of those number will definitely hit in next 17spins
30,
16,
04,
06,
27,
=====================================
OPTION no.2
one of those number will definitely hit in next 17spins
19 , 34 , 30 , 16 , 9 , 12
==========================================
OPTION no.3
one of those number will definitely hit in next 17spins
4, 6 , 8 , 33, 22 ,35
=================================
OPTION no.4
there will be at least three hit,
of those number in next 17spins
06
10
11
13
17
25
34
27
36
30
08
23
================================
==============================================
four out of those five numbers definitely will hit,
in this hundred spins record.
17,
13,
08,
23,
10,
Thanks.
=============================================
Are you really running a 17 spin progression?
Ok. First off, P.A we need to decide on a betting strategy or multiples if necessary. The options that you laid out are going to send us off in to 5 different directions.
I'll include totals so far for each strategy, but to be clear, each of these will remain it's own game. They are not to be mixed together.
Test #1 (Spielbank Table 2 - 1.11.2014)
Previous 20 Spins :
22
0
6
21
34
4
30
33
30
6
11
36
4
7
27
25
9
16
-- -- --
16
27
Next 17 Spins :
24
29
7
33
3
3
31
30
10
30
-- -- --
7
36
15
31
27
28
14
W/L Record : (Options will be referred to as Strategies below-winners in green-losers in red - flat betting)
Strategy #1
Winners : 30,30,27
Total : +23
------------------------------------------
Strategy #2
Winners : 30,30
Total : -30
-----------------------------------------
Strategy #3
Winners : 33
Total : -66
-----------------------------------------
Strategy #4
Winners : 27,36,30
Total : -96
----------------------------------------
Strategy #5
Disqualified for not falling in the 17 spins range that we agreed upon
Those 20 nrs give me + 24 units with the pies ..... Hemi
Quote from: denzie on Jul 04, 01:17 PM 2015
Those 20 nrs give me + 24 units with the pies ..... Hemi
What's your progression?
Have you played Kimo's bet selection for real money? Are you ahead?
Thanks! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 03, 09:06 AM 2015
KLW,
Step #1 : Proof that a System actually works
Step #2 : Learning the System (this might take hours or years)[/b]
Without Step #1, Step #2 is a waste of time.
You have a system on this forum that works.
So why are you not learning it. What makes you think this system is easier?
Quote from: Azim on Jul 04, 05:17 PM 2015
You have a system on this forum that works.
So why are you not learning it. What makes you think this system is easier?
Alright Azim,
I'll feed the troll this time.
What is the system on this forum that works?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 04, 09:15 PM 2015
Inquiring minds want to know!
Sam, I am surprised you really want to know after what I have been saying all along for the last year.
Anyways here we go again, I am sure people will have different opinion.
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0)
I am pretty sure our friend nottophammer will confirm that. He has a lot of winning sessions and less losing sessions.
Hi Azim
Of all methods or systems discussed on here, Gut is the one you need to study. Its simple but complicated,i've never used the trackers available only the paper tracker i made,as Winkel said they dont show everything.
You have to learn the trot (the #'s as they hit).
I know this is about Kimo Li, but i've learnt over time the one thing in roulette is #'s 0 through to 36 must all be hit once in a given # of spins,this is why i record all games played to see how long each number can take to hit,now i've got lazy of late and not been updating data base but lets say 10 numbers have hit in 10 spins, so 27 to hit,this is watching the trot, to me to bet 27 #'s is 1 to 3 on and this ive seen take 6 spins to come in.
Now 99.9% of my play is uk bookmakers, so with a progression could 27 numbers in a b+m be played or would it hit table limit.
Would 10 spins kimo's way indicate where to bet, i dont know as i never tried this way,tracking sectors,if that what it is. I only know you need to watch how the trot goes, the way i use to play give it a name was KTF, i talked with the Great GLC, Jimmie B and others about KTF how it can usually make 60/70 units in 10 spins after watching the 1st 10 spins.
Thanks NTH
Quote from: Azim on Jul 04, 10:07 PM 2015
Sam, I am surprised you really want to know after what I have been saying all along for the last year.
Anyways here we go again, I am sure people will have different opinion.
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0)
I am pretty sure our friend nottophammer will confirm that. He has a lot of winning sessions and less losing sessions.
Azim,
So how much have you made to date with GUT? (units profit over how many spins)
Thanks!
That's the most important question, and I asked the same before in the other thread, and he never replied.
If you wants to prove that a system works, show the money you won. I respect winkel for his work, but it's hard to believe in a system that even its creator doesn't play, because he "doesn't want to be rich".
Quote from: ati on Jul 05, 08:23 AM 2015
That's the most important question, and I asked the same before in the other thread, and he never replied.
If you wants to prove that a system works, show the money you won. I respect winkel for his work, but it's hard to believe in a system that even its creator doesn't play, because he "doesn't want to be rich".
This is the precise question that I kept alluding to on the other Kimo thread. Where are all the winners?
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 05, 08:07 AM 2015
Azim,
So how much have you made to date with GUT? (units profit over how many spins)
Thanks!
I don't gamble... If you go through all my posts. I have showed my balances when i do try a system.
I had video's out to show the GUT as a winning system playing with a bot plus on an RNG site of William hill which most of you say is rigged.
BTW I just picked William hill. I can do the video and prove it to you that it can work on any site.
QuoteBTW I just picked William hill. I can do the video and prove it to you that it can work on any site.
Yes please! 8)
Like to see that. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jul 05, 09:34 AM 2015
Yes please! 8)
Like to see that. :thumbsup:
What site do you want it for?
Betvoyager or William Hill.
(Betvoyager is first choice, but I have an account at WH )
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jul 05, 09:43 AM 2015
Betvoyager or William Hill.
(Betvoyager is first choice, but I have an account at WH )
I have already done William hill about a year ago.
Betvoyager will have to be play money. I can't deposit real money there. Unless someone want's to transfer a minimum of 500 units to me at a base amount of 0.10 and I will need about 100 unit's of base amount 0.01 to generate spins.
I understand the issue with RNG as it is not actual Roulette.
Why not just play on a live (online) wheel and show the results? We would never be able to tell if the proof documents were forged anyway.
You could just show how to play the system.
The main issue with GUT, is this statement that comes up with every other bogus system - "it's not for everyone". Incorrect, math is for everyone, and Roulette is math, not an art form. The system may be complex, or even complicated and challenging to use, but it must be "for everyone" by definition for it to work.
Also, the "I don't gamble" response, presents questions of motivation. It may not be an issue with credibility, but the optics are just bad. If you're here with the sole purpose of just claiming to have a winning system, it's an odd situation; not necessarily wrong, just strange. It would be like someone saying they have the fastest 100 meter time on the planet, but never entering the Olympics; You'd think "huh?-that's strange-why not compete?"
Finally, regarding the "earning it/working for it" philosophy. I have never understood this. If you have a winning system, either share it, or don't. This is Winkel's system, and he's done all of the heavy lifting. Winkel has been happy to explain the bet selection, but refuses to talk about a progression for his own personal reasons, which leaves it up to the player. Admittedly, this does have a ring of Kimo to it, but he appears to happy to answer specific questions, and doesn't appear to be chasing others to discuss his material.
All that said, we all want the same thing; to find a winning system. If that's GUT, then let's start to hear about it's success in detail. Members who are winning need to come forward and share their experiences. If not, then GUT will be thrown on the pile of failed systems, which is where is resides until someone picks it out every few months to re-investigate. If there was just one........just one thread detailing the success of a single winning system with clear and straightforward answers to all questions, then this forum will have succeeded.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 05, 01:33 PM 2015
I understand the issue with RNG as it is not actual Roulette.
Why not just play on a live (online) wheel and show the results? We would never be able to tell if the proof documents were forged anyway.
You could just show how to play the system.
The main issue with GUT, is this statement that comes up with every other bogus system - "it's not for everyone". Incorrect, math is for everyone, and Roulette is math, not an art form. The system may be complex, or even complicated and challenging to use, but it must be "for everyone" by definition for it to work.
Also, the "I don't gamble" response, presents questions of motivation. It may not be an issue with credibility, but the optics are just bad. If you're here with the sole purpose of just claiming to have a winning system, it's an odd situation; not necessarily wrong, just strange. It would be like someone saying they have the fastest 100 meter time on the planet, but never entering the Olympics; You'd think "huh?-that's strange-why not compete?"
Finally, regarding the "earning it/working for it" philosophy. I have never understood this. If you have a winning system, either share it, or don't. This is Winkel's system, and he's done all of the heavy lifting. Winkel has been happy to explain the bet selection, but refuses to talk about a progression for his own personal reasons, which leaves it up to the player. Admittedly, this does have a ring of Kimo to it, but he appears to happy to answer specific questions, and doesn't appear to be chasing others to discuss his material.
All that said, we all want the same thing; to find a winning system. If that's GUT, then let's start to hear about it's success in detail. Members who are winning need to come forward and share their experiences. If not, then GUT will be thrown on the pile of failed systems, which is where is resides until someone picks it out every few months to re-investigate. If there was just one........just one thread detailing the success of a single winning system with clear and straightforward answers to all questions, then this forum will have succeeded.
Answer this for me:
You: I am thirsty where can I get water?
Me: Follow the following direction and that will take you to a well. You can drink as much water as you want.
You: The directions are too difficult to follow.
I take you to the well, does that mean I have to drink that water?
Answer me and decide for yourself what it is you want.
this forum does not necessarily need to have the general consensus definition "HOLY GRAIL" to be successful.
you, me, all members and lurkers being in this forum has already serves its purpose.
and its all thanks to those members(kimo li & winkel) whom you almost call a scammer that some people here found their own holy grail or at least satisfied on their own play.
let me ask these to you, and answer me honestly without looking at the other threads(no cheating).
1. in winkel's GUT, how many possible crossing can you get in a 0X & 1X.
2. in Kimo li patterns, what are the what are the patterns you see in the following numbers 24,10,27,29,34,1.
Past numbers are what they are: history Obsolete to be of any value, A toy for the math boyzzz.
Quote from: marvin on Jul 05, 02:13 PM 2015
this forum does not necessarily need to have the general consensus definition "HOLY GRAIL" to be successful.
you, me, all members and lurkers being in this forum has already serves its purpose.
and its all thanks to those members(kimo li & winkel) whom you almost call a scammer that some people here found their own holy grail or at least satisfied on their own play.
let me ask these to you, and answer me honestly without looking at the other threads(no cheating).
1. in winkel's GUT, how many possible crossing can you get in a 0X & 1X.
2. in Kimo li patterns, what are the what are the patterns you see in the following numbers 24,10,27,29,34,1.
Your last two questions are designed to indicate one's knowledge of those two betting strategies, implying that someone can't judge them without studying them closely first.
So now, someone must take it upon themselves to prove these systems effectiveness (or failure), while the authors and other members make unsubstantiated claims about its success. Why is it our responsibility? Why not the authors?
For the record, I never came close to indicating or implying that Winkel's method was a scam, as he hasn't appeared to profit financially from his claims.
Here we have derailed another thread by discussing the validity of a system without actually testing it, which is why this thread was started.
I have no opinion about the GUT system, but I've also never seen someone prove/disprove it. I would love to see either one, but personally, I'm not about to travel down a potential rabbit-hole, especially when others have already gone down and don't seem to have found anything significant yet. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
To be crystal-clear: all of these claims of a "holy grail" indicate endless financial resources (within reason) for the rest of one's life. That's quite a treasure!
Quote from: Azim on Jul 05, 01:47 PM 2015
Answer this for me:
You: I am thirsty where can I get water?
Me: Follow the following direction and that will take you to a well. You can drink as much water as you want.
You: The directions are too difficult to follow.
I take you to the well, does that mean I have to drink that water?
Answer me and decide for yourself what it is you want.
To use your analogy: you are claiming that there is a well, when you yourself have no water.
Can we get back on track here? I just want to play some spins!
Is it shocking someone here actually plays this game without extraordinary claims?
Let's stop wasting time. Aka shut up and play.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 05, 04:08 PM 2015
Can we get back on track here? I just want to play some spins!
Is it shocking someone here actually plays this game without extraordinary claims?
Let's stop wasting time. Aka shut up and play.
Let's do it!
How many spins do you need, and what should we expect in terms of predictions?
I'll pull them from Spielbank :)
Yes, I played the G.U.T. and loved it. It is one of the most fun systems I've ever played. (Is it a system? Not sure.) Anyway, I personally do not have the mental strength to play it correctly. That means if I have strict rules, I cannot follow them. I'd rather gamble than win. I bet on a crossing too many times and create my own crossings: "The winkel non-crossing crossing", for example.
I have the software archived and will play again sometime.
Now, is it a winning method For a person who is dedicated and truly wants to win money, it may be. It certainly gets a lot of wins. The trick--and winkel says this--is to jump back to twenty quite often.
Ok, I'm done.
Sam
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 04, 06:11 AM 2015
I'm assuming these are Euro single 0 - could we play 00, too? or does that get too confusing?
Also, I play a new game if there's a dealer change.
Here are my numbers for the next THREE spins:
2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34
Let's keep it consistent with the above. I'll aim for a hit within 3 spins with 12 numbers.
Please note as I mentioned on the other Kimo Li thread the results I expect from this are in line with probability.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 05, 04:29 PM 2015
Let's keep it consistent with the above. I'll aim for a hit within 3 spins with 12 numbers.
Please note as I mentioned on the other Kimo Li thread the results I expect from this are in line with probability.
So you want 20 numbers and then you will give me 12 numbers that should hit within 3 spins? Correct?
Now as for dealer change, with Spielbank they change about every 20 spins, so where does that leave us?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 05, 04:27 PM 2015
Yes, I played the G.U.T. and loved it. It is one of the most fun systems I've ever played. (Is it a system? Not sure.) Anyway, I personally do not have the mental strength to play it correctly. That means if I have strict rules, I cannot follow them. I'd rather gamble than win. I bet on a crossing too many times and create my own crossings: "The winkel non-crossing crossing", for example.
I have the software archived and will play again sometime.
Now, is it a winning method For a person who is dedicated and truly wants to win money, it may be. It certainly gets a lot of wins. The trick--and winkel says this--is to jump back to twenty quite often.
Ok, I'm done.
Sam
Can you elaborate on "jump back to twenty"? Thanks! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 05, 04:38 PM 2015
So you want 20 numbers and then you will give me 12 numbers that should hit within 3 spins? Correct?
Now as for dealer change, with Spielbank they change about every 20 spins, so where does that leave us?
Oh ok - how about 12 spins and I'll provide 12 numbers for the next 3?
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 05, 04:41 PM 2015
Oh ok - how about 12 spins and I'll provide 12 numbers for the next 3?
You got it!
6
14
30
32
5
20
26
14
16
15
14
22
Next 3 spins:
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14, 22, 25, 32, 33, 35, 36
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 05, 04:27 PM 2015
Yes, I played the G.U.T. and loved it. It is one of the most fun systems I've ever played. (Is it a system? Not sure.) Anyway, I personally do not have the mental strength to play it correctly. That means if I have strict rules, I cannot follow them. I'd rather gamble than win. I bet on a crossing too many times and create my own crossings: "The winkel non-crossing crossing", for example.
I have the software archived and will play again sometime.
Now, is it a winning method For a person who is dedicated and truly wants to win money, it may be. It certainly gets a lot of wins. The trick--and winkel says this--is to jump back to twenty quite often.
Ok, I'm done.
Sam
Hi Sam,
Could you give a short summary of this method (in English)? That long thread is ridiculous so if you could provide whatever the steps are I'd be happy to test this.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 05, 04:53 PM 2015
Next 3 spins:
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14, 22, 25, 32, 33, 35, 36
3
17
14w
+11Spielbank table #3 05.06.15
Next 12 later tonight! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 05, 03:59 PM 2015
To use your analogy: you are claiming that there is a well, when you yourself have no water.
How do you know that there is no water?
All you have to to is go to well, the direction is provided and check it out your self. Or you wanted us to fetch some water for you?
It seems like you've been scammed before thats why you are trolling like this and wanted to make sure that it won't happen again.
But there are other ways to do that, such as do your own test by studying their methods/tools. don't just do a half-assed test like running it for a million spins without understanding it.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 05, 04:27 PM 2015
Yes, I played the G.U.T. and loved it. It is one of the most fun systems I've ever played. (Is it a system? Not sure.) Anyway, I personally do not have the mental strength to play it correctly. That means if I have strict rules, I cannot follow them. I'd rather gamble than win. I bet on a crossing too many times and create my own crossings: "The winkel non-crossing crossing", for example.
I have the software archived and will play again sometime.
Now, is it a winning method For a person who is dedicated and truly wants to win money, it may be. It certainly gets a lot of wins. The trick--and winkel says this--is to jump back to twenty quite often.
Ok, I'm done.
Sam
Sam, tell me how many times you've read/tried Winkels GUT before you were able to understand. For me to tell you honestly I have only understand it when i saw your video and heard those devilish laugh >:D :twisted: :lol: every time the number hits.
And this is exactly what i mean Sam, these strategies are almost non mechanical. it requires some decision making based on the previous data provided(math guys please ignore) like when crossing 19-18 comes it does not mean that your going to bet on 19, you still have to evaluate it by which only experience can teach you that. the same goes for the Kimo li strategies/patterns that every number is a trigger or a star as he refers to it.
Winkels only request is to create your own progression while Kimo Li's is to create your own strategy based on the tool that he provided.
Quote from: marvin on Jul 05, 05:04 PM 2015
How do you know that there is no water?
All you have to to is go to well, the direction is provided and check it out your self. Or you wanted us to fetch some water for you?
It seems like you've been scammed before thats why you are trolling like this and wanted to make sure that it won't happen again.
But there are other ways to do that, such as do your own test by studying their methods/tools. don't just do a half-assed test like running it for a million spins without understanding it.
Sam, tell me how many times you've read/tried Winkels GUT before you were able to understand. For me to tell you honestly I have only understand it when i saw your video and heard those devilish laugh >:D :twisted: :lol: every time the number hits.
And this is exactly what i mean Sam, these strategies are almost non mechanical. it requires some decision making based on the previous data provided(math guys please ignore) like when crossing 19-18 comes it does not mean that your going to bet on 19, you still have to evaluate it by which only experience can teach you that. the same goes for the Kimo li strategies/patterns that every number is a trigger or a star as he refers to it.
Winkels only request is to create your own progression while Kimo Li's is to create your own strategy based on the tool that he provided.
No more time for bickering, onto the testing! :)
thelaw,
Can we ignore the units and just track hits/misses?
Right now, I have 2 hits and 0 miss.
We could run various progressions after, if you'd like.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 05, 05:22 PM 2015
thelaw,
Can we ignore the units and just track hits/misses?
Right now, I have 2 hits and 0 miss.
We could run various progressions after, if you'd like.
I'm confused - where do you get 2 hits?
The first batch of numbers you posted on this thread. (Reply #17)
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 05, 05:29 PM 2015
The first batch of numbers you posted on this thread. (Reply #17)
Got it!
Hi marvin
19-18 i'd go for 18 plus the 1 repeat,treat as 2 separate bets thou
Hello everyone I tell them I've tried unsuccessfully kimoli system which lost a lot of money. Pedi help in this forum mr marvin is supposedly the only answer you know and follow me no more 3-reel data. THIS MADE ME TO LOSE. See mr KIMOLI nor achieve desired response. The only hope was to win something to cover the cost of my extended family as you also probably do. Surely the lucky people who win has nothing to share with us who are losers in the game. hug and apologize as translator use. sorry lot in life for all.
I thank the people who contacted me trying to help, especially TAMINO sr., who taught me what to him seems more effective but unfortunately does not work here in my casino. Thank you as well. you are a gentleman.
How would I put the G.U.T. in a few simple sentences so that it is easily understood. Frankly, I can't.
I don't know if I can even remember it, but I'll give it a try.
You have zero hits vs hits once. This is your first crossing.
When you begin, you have 37 unhit numbers. When one hits, you have 36 unhit and one hit. With each spin, you will decrease the number of unhit and increase the number of hit. When you reach 19 unhit and 18 hit, you are ready for your first crossing. You must imagine a graph, as I don't have the know-how to create one except by hand. The lines will cross when you have 18 unhit numbers and 19 hit numbers.
That is the gist of it. One must read the thread by winkel and you will see my questions there and perhaps understand it as I did. Honestly, I would have to read the thread myself. I've been gardening too long.
Sam
You: I am thirsty where can I get water?
Me: Follow the following direction and that will take you to a well. You can drink as much water as you want.
You: The directions are too difficult to follow.
I take you to the well, does that mean I have to drink that water?
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 05, 03:59 PM 2015
To use your analogy: you are claiming that there is a well, when you yourself have no water.
Once again. Learn to read ... Your question was I am thirsty where can I get water? You never said you were thirsty, if I could give you a glass of water!!!
Sorry mate. You expecting something on a silver platter, you will be waiting for it, for a very very very long time.
sam, nottophammer lets move to another thread so that we won't be crapping this thread. :lol:
Quote from: Azim on Jul 06, 01:09 AM 2015
You: I am thirsty where can I get water?
Me: Follow the following direction and that will take you to a well. You can drink as much water as you want.
You: The directions are too difficult to follow.
I take you to the well, does that mean I have to drink that water?
Once again. Learn to read ... Your question was I am thirsty where can I get water? You never said you were thirsty, if I could give you a glass of water!!!
Sorry mate. You expecting something on a silver platter, you will be waiting for it, for a very very very long time.
No more time for Bickering - Back to Testing! :)
Sorry for the delay, Splielbank went down last night.
Test #3 : Next 12 numbers :
36
20
8
16
11
8
12
28
9
8
30
31
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 06, 08:39 AM 2015
Sorry for the delay, Splielbank went down last night.
Test #3 : Next 12 numbers :
36
20
8
16
11
8
12
28
9
8
30
31
4 8 9 11 15 19 22 30 31
2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34
1,4,7,13,19,25,28,34,0,2,23,29,35,9,18,21,24,27,33.
A hit within next 5 spins
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 06, 01:57 PM 2015
2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34
1
13w
35W/L :
3/
0 Spielbank Table #2 : 11.14.15
I'll post 3 more sets of 12 later tonight :)
1 win now bet the remaining 18 numbers
13 win now bet the remaining 17 numbers
35 win
Bet the 16 remaining for a hit with in 7 spins, but i'd stop as +54
Test #4 :
32
23
36
16
35
30
14
20
21
36
36
30
Test #5 :
15
22
17
14
34
9
30
15
8
24
6
34
Test #6 :
15
32
17
26
31
30
13
29
29
7
7
17
Good luck! :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 06, 05:28 PM 2015
Test #4 :
32
23
36
16
35
30
14
20
21
36
36
30
Test #5 :
15
22
17
14
34
9
30
15
8
24
6
34
Test #6 :
15
32
17
26
31
30
13
29
29
7
7
17
Good luck! :)
Test 4:
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14, 22, 25, 32, 33, 35, 36
Test 5:
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14, 22, 25, 32, 33, 35, 36
Test 6:
2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34
Test #4 :
35w
30
13
W/L : 4/0
Spielbank Table #2 : 01.03.14
-----------------------------------
Test #5 :
25w
27
13
W/L : 5/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 01.03.14
----------------------------------
Test #6 :
8
14
34w
W/L : 6/0
Spielbank Table #5 : 01.03.14
Tomorrow I'll load up 10 separate tests to see if you can pitch a no-hitter. Looking forward to it! Congrats 1eleven:)
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 06, 08:08 PM 2015
Test #4 :
35w
30
13
W/L : 4/0
Spielbank Table #2 : 01.03.14
-----------------------------------
Test #5 :
25w
27
13
W/L : 5/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 01.03.14
----------------------------------
Test #6 :
8
14
34w
W/L : 6/0
Spielbank Table #5 : 01.03.14
Tomorrow I'll load up 10 separate tests to see if you can pitch a no-hitter. Looking forward to it! Congrats 1eleven:)
Looks like I need to head over to play at Spielbank! BTW, where do I find these spins? EDIT: FOUND.
Thanks, what did I win?!
"As you all know, first prize is Cadillac Eldorado.
Anybody wanna see second prize? Second prize's a set of steak knives.
Third prize is you're fired."
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 06, 08:46 PM 2015
Looks like I need to head over to play at Spielbank! BTW, where do I find these spins? EDIT: FOUND.
Thanks, what did I win?!
"As you all know, first prize is Cadillac Eldorado.
Anybody wanna see second prize? Second prize's a set of steak knives.
Third prize is you're fired."
Quick note : Many of the earlier spins from Spielbank (pre-2014) had dealer changes every 10-12 spins, so you probably won't see many of these.
If we can put together about 100 of these tests, then you may win a lot more than a Cadillac! :thumbsup:
6/0 is one thing, but
100/0 would be scary!!! >:D
Do you want to reveal you method? I'm sure people would like to know.
I just noticed I hit 16 straight in my real sessions earlier today. Looking forward to the test!
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 06, 09:42 PM 2015
I just noticed I hit 16 straight in my real sessions earlier today. Looking forward to the test!
To clarify, are you using a Kimo inspired method, or is this something else?
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 06, 09:47 PM 2015
To clarify, are you using a Kimo inspired method, or is this something else?
Kimo inspired. No magic here. At least none I'm aware of. I will elaborate tomorrow but it's already been posted by Kimo.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 06, 09:59 PM 2015
Kimo inspired. No magic here. At least none I'm aware of. I will elaborate tomorrow but it's already been posted by Kimo.
If this thread ends with Kimo's biggest critic (your's truly) proving the legitimacy of Kimo's bet selection, this will truly be a strange turn of events.
Welcome to the wild world of Roulette!!! :twisted:
Now wait just a cotton-pickin', chicken-pluckin' minute there law. I been on ol Kimo's case for years. So we may need to take a poll on just who is his biggest critic.
I will make you this deal: I'll split a crow with you and we can both chow down and apologize. If eleven posts the thing and it works, I'll be the first to sing Mr. Li's praises. (I also said that of John Legend and a few other fellows.)
TwoCat
link:://9066409.weebly.talkiforum.com/20120301/learning-the-kimo-li-way-1329736/page6/ (link:://9066409.weebly.talkiforum.com/20120301/learning-the-kimo-li-way-1329736/page6/)
See Kimo Li's post from December 3, 2013.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 06, 08:08 PM 2015
Test #4 :
35w
30
13
W/L : 4/0
Spielbank Table #2 : 01.03.14
-----------------------------------
Test #5 :
25w
27
13
W/L : 5/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 01.03.14
----------------------------------
Test #6 :
8
14
34w
W/L : 6/0
Spielbank Table #5 : 01.03.14
Tomorrow I'll load up 10 separate tests to see if you can pitch a no-hitter. Looking forward to it! Congrats 1eleven:)
It looks like I'm hitting 50%. My bets were at risk for 12 spins (one hit) and I hit 6. (6/12)
The live play I mentioned was 16/29, slightly above 55%.
Can a run of 16 be beat? I'll need to look over my notes for the last few months and see if I've hit more than that in a row.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 07:43 AM 2015
It looks like I'm hitting 50%. My bets were at risk for 12 spins (one hit) and I hit 6. (6/12)
The live play I mentioned was 16/29, slightly above 55%.
Can a run of 16 be beat? I'll need to look over my notes for the last few months and see if I've hit more than that in a row.
So what's your longest losing streak?
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 07:49 AM 2015
So what's your longest losing streak?
3 clusters, 9 spins.
Test #1
23
25
33
6
15
24
3
36
1
9
3
0
Test #2
3
34
7
35
33
18
21
22
20
15
13
10
Test #3
26
32
9
6
1
36
4
11
18
30
33
10
Test #4
5
9
29
17
15
19
20
32
35
2
18
16
Test #5
29
29
8
6
30
18
16
22
15
17
10
29
Test #6
32
23
9
23
36
16
9
36
16
23
35
0
Test #7
4
34
8
19
17
6
0
30
16
16
10
25
Test #8
14
17
26
13
22
34
4
28
20
36
23
29
Test #9
6
24
23
3
19
30
20
25
26
20
31
8
Test #10
2
25
22
33
13
5
0
24
36
12
7
34
Game on!!! :twisted:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 06, 11:32 PM 2015
Now wait just a cotton-pickin', chicken-pluckin' minute there law. I been on ol Kimo's case for years. So we may need to take a poll on just who is his biggest critic.
I will make you this deal: I'll split a crow with you and we can both chow down and apologize. If eleven posts the thing and it works, I'll be the first to sing Mr. Li's praises. (I also said that of John Legend and a few other fellows.)
TwoCat
Not to be a 1-upper, but Iggiv did lock a Kimo thread because he was angry that I was criticizing him (asking for proof). :twisted:
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 08:48 AM 2015
Test #1
23
25
33
6
15
24
3
36
1
9
3
0
Test #2
3
34
7
35
33
18
21
22
20
15
13
10
Test #3
26
32
9
6
1
36
4
11
18
30
33
10
Test #4
5
9
29
17
15
19
20
32
35
2
18
16
Test #5
29
29
8
6
30
18
16
22
15
17
10
29
Test #6
32
23
9
23
36
16
9
36
16
23
35
0
Test #7
4
34
8
19
17
6
0
30
16
16
10
25
Test #8
14
17
26
13
22
34
4
28
20
36
23
29
Test #9
6
24
23
3
19
30
20
25
26
20
31
8
Test #10
2
25
22
33
13
5
0
24
36
12
7
34
Game on!!! :twisted:
Test #1: 1, 3, 11, 15, 17, 18, 21, 23, 24, 27, 28, 31
Test #2: 1, 3, 11, 15, 17, 18, 21, 23, 24, 27, 28, 31
Test #3: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14, 22, 25, 32, 33, 35, 36
Test #4: 2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34
Test #5: 2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34
Test #6: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14, 22, 25, 32, 33, 35, 36
Test #7: 2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34
Test #8: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14, 22, 25, 32, 33, 35, 36
Test #9: 2, 9, 10, 12, 13, 16, 19, 20, 26, 29, 30, 34
Test #10: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14, 22, 25, 32, 33, 35, 36
By Jove, you're right, law! I'll play second fiddle.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 07:36 AM 2015
link:://9066409.weebly.talkiforum.com/20120301/learning-the-kimo-li-way-1329736/page6/ (link:://9066409.weebly.talkiforum.com/20120301/learning-the-kimo-li-way-1329736/page6/)
See Kimo Li's post from December 3, 2013.
got it and testing. thanks!
thanks 1eleven.
you mentioned 9 losses in a row. do you play the basic pinwheel strategy?
kimo wrote some time ago, that there is an expert variant playing the pinwheel
3 times. if lost switch to another pinwheel and play 3 times.
do you have the spreadsheet or more infos about the expert version?
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 07, 12:19 PM 2015
thanks 1eleven.
you mentioned 9 losses in a row. do you play the basic pinwheel strategy?
kimo wrote some time ago, that there is an expert variant playing the pinwheel
3 times. if lost switch to another pinwheel and play 3 times.
do you have the spreadsheet or more infos about the expert version?
In the example on the link Kimo Li switched immediately to the Stars that were trending. Another option may be ending the session after a miss. The last time I lost 3 sets I was switching to follow the trend. In hindsight, maybe terminating after the first loss was best.
It looked like this:
101 - Miss
020 - Miss
200 - Miss
I usually don't track more than 3-6 spins - personal preference.
Post 85# here may point you in another direction if you want to stay on one set:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15536.75 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15536.75)
Miss - wait for 2 hits (1+ in 2 clusters) and start again.
Good luck
Test #1/10 :
21w
8
21w
W/L : 1/0
Spielbank Table #2 : 06.09.14
-----------------------------------
Test #2/10 :
28w
17w
11w
W/L : 2/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 06.09.14
----------------------------------
Test #3/10 :
8
14
34w
W/L : 3/0
Spielbank Table #2 : 07.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #4/10 :
22
10w
0
W/L : 4/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 13.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #5/10 :
8
29w
14
W/L : 5/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 20.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #6/10 :
24
30
6w
W/L : 6/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 21.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #7/10 :
34w
18
22
W/L : 7/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 27.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #8/10 :
19
13
11
W/L : 7/1
Spielbank Table #4 : 27.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #9/10 :
22
26w
21
W/L : 8/1
Spielbank Table #4 : 28.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #10/10 :
5w
8w
28
W/L : 9/1
Spielbank Table #2 : 28.09.14
------------------------------------
Total out of 30 bets = 13wins/17 losses
Sooooooo close!!! :sad2:
Well, this officially looks impressive. 1Eleven, feel free to share more about the system if you like.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 02:27 PM 2015
Test #1/10 :
21w
8
21w
W/L : 1/0
Spielbank Table #2 : 06.09.14
-----------------------------------
Test #2/10 :
28w
17w
11w
W/L : 2/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 06.09.14
----------------------------------
Test #3/10 :
8
14
34w
W/L : 3/0
Spielbank Table #2 : 07.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #4/10 :
22
10w
0
W/L : 4/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 13.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #5/10 :
8
29w
14
W/L : 5/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 20.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #6/10 :
24
30
6w
W/L : 6/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 21.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #7/10 :
34w
18
22
W/L : 7/0
Spielbank Table #3 : 27.09.14
------------------------------------
Test #8/10 :
19
13
11
W/L : 7/1
Spielbank Table #4 : 27.09.14
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Test #9/10 :
22
26w
21
W/L : 8/1
Spielbank Table #4 : 28.09.14
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Test #10/10 :
5w
8w
28
W/L : 9/1
Spielbank Table #2 : 28.09.14
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Total out of 30 bets = 13wins/17 losses
Sooooooo close!!! :sad2:
Well, this officially looks impressive. 1Eleven, feel free to share more about the system if you like.
Man, I really wanted to sweep the board here. I realize my mistake on #8 (hindsight is 20/20, right?) The sequence was:
1-2-3
3-1-3
1-2-3
1-2-3
My guess is 1-2-3 in order like that is pretty rare 3 times out of 4. I know I was surprised when I saw it. The 3 was slightly more dominant and would have hit if I picked that. I could have swept the board.
I'll tally up the totals. Since I'm only playing for 1 hit I believe your numbers are off slightly.
Thanks - this was fun.
Totals:
15 hits within 31 spins = 48.39%.
Without that miss it would have been 16/29 (the other section hit first) which happens to match the last live play streak I hit of around 55%.
A mini-martingale (1-2-4) would have returned 480 units in this test.
15.48 units per spin.
(588 units if I didn't crap the bed on #8, for 20.27 units per spin)
A little more conservative 1-2-3 would return 396 units on the actual results for 12.77 per spin.
Of course, there are always more aggressive options.
That's enough math for me. Anyone care to calculate the edge if this were sustainable?
And, of course, is there a difference if this were applied to the dozens to simplify bet selection?
Going dark.
Kidding - couldn't resist!
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 03:31 PM 2015
A mini-martingale (1-2-4) would have returned 480 units in this test.
15.48 units per spin.
(588 units if I didn't crap the bed on #8, for 20.27 units per spin)
A little more conservative 1-2-3 would return 396 units on the actual results for 12.77 per spin.
Of course, there are always more aggressive options.
That's enough math for me. Anyone care to calculate the edge if this were sustainable?
And, of course, is there a difference if this were applied to the dozens to simplify bet selection?
I know that everyone on this board goes crazy for the HG with flat betting. Would this be profitable flat betting (I know it was in these tests!)?
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 03:38 PM 2015
I know that everyone on this board goes crazy for the HG with flat betting. Would this be profitable flat betting (I know it was in these tests!)?
First, I would need someone to clearly define "Holy Grail"
Obviously, if you hit 12/37 this would break even flat betting. If my calculations are correct, this actual test would have resulted +168 units flat betting for 5.28 units per.
Hi thelaw.
in Mood for another Test?
I can Confirm that pinwheel works for me too - but Betting 12 Numbers gets scary sometimes.
So i tweaked it and reduce the Bet Selection to six numbers.
So please Post another 12 Number sequence and i will try to get a hit with 6 Numbers in six Spins.
Regards, Max
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 03:56 PM 2015
First, I would need someone to clearly define "Holy Grail"
Obviously, if you hit 12/37 this would break even flat betting. If my calculations are correct, this actual test would have resulted +168 units flat betting for 5.28 units per.
Unless you stopped after a win....
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 04:21 PM 2015
Unless you stopped after a win....
What do you mean?
thelaw, here comes your first unworthy roulette researcher to ask you to describe your awesome method ;)
Perhaps start a thread for your method, maybe call it "Is Kimo Li the law?"
I have no idea what playing method is being reference to or is being used.
If you could help me to catch up quickly it would be great.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 07, 04:16 PM 2015
Hi thelaw.
in Mood for another Test?
I can Confirm that pinwheel works for me too - but Betting 12 Numbers gets scary sometimes.
So i tweaked it and reduce the Bet Selection to six numbers.
So please Post another 12 Number sequence and i will try to get a hit with 6 Numbers in six Spins.
Regards, Max
Here you go :
0
32
6
21
1
25
32
8
19
30
7
8Good luck! :)
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 07, 04:16 PM 2015
Hi thelaw.
in Mood for another Test?
I can Confirm that pinwheel works for me too - but Betting 12 Numbers gets scary sometimes.
So i tweaked it and reduce the Bet Selection to six numbers.
So please Post another 12 Number sequence and i will try to get a hit with 6 Numbers in six Spins.
Regards, Max
How did you confirm this? and what is your hit rate?
Thanks
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 04:24 PM 2015
What do you mean?
Simple. Just stop after the first win which may come on your first, second or third bet. That way you don' play all 3 and incur all of those losses.
If you're hitting anything close to 50% without any major deviation (what kills every progression) then this is a winning method.
For instance, every EC progression loses because of the swings that can go as low as 25% win over 100 spins. If you can keep it at roughly 50%, then it's a winner for sure.
My concern would be why we haven't heard about this as an overall winner before. It doesn't sound all that complicated, so what's the catch? Any ideas?
One more thing, if you look at the "Target Betting blog", this guy claims to have the HG, which is a modified Marti. At first you think: "bullshit", but then he drops that fact that you need a bankroll to handle 1-5000 unit swing.
My point is that we've been trying to beat the game with horrible possible swings, but if we can mitigate that, then we have a manageable situation.
If we can get a good handle on what this method looks like over 100 bets, then we could reach out to GLC for the best progression (he seems to know them all).
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 04:34 PM 2015
Simple. Just stop after the first win which may come on your first, second or third bet. That way you don' play all 3 and incur all of those losses.
If you're hitting anything close to 50% without any major deviation (what kills every progression) then this is a winning method.
For instance, every EC progression loses because of the swings that can go as low as 25% win over 100 spins. If you can keep it at roughly 50%, then it's a winner for sure.
My concern would be why we haven't heard about this as an overall winner before. It doesn't sound all that complicated, so what's the catch?
Any ideas?
Right - this is why I was confused by your question because that's what I calculated - one hit and done.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 04:37 PM 2015
If we can get a good handle on what this method looks like over 100 bets, then we could reach out to GLC for the best progression (he seems to know them all).
I don't think there's a one size fits all progression. Determine the ROI you're after, the bankroll you want to risk, and go from there.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 04:50 PM 2015
I don't think there's a one size fits all progression. Determine the ROI you're after, the bankroll you want to risk, and go from there.
Sure. If we are talking in absolutes then, if you had millions, you could use any progression.
To truly have a HG system, you would probably need the following (my opinion based on the posts I've read over the years) :
1) System that works with a moderate bankroll (less than $500)
2) System that can be used on a live wheel without an enormous amount of waiting (betting at least once every five spins)
3) System that can be calculated in time to make proper bets
4) Bets must be placed before the dealer releases ball
5) System that everyone can learn (within reason-no "gut feeling" - just simple math)What do you think?
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 05:01 PM 2015
Sure. If we are talking in absolutes then, if you had millions, you could use any progression.
To truly have a HG system, you would probably need the following (my opinion based on the posts I've read over the years) :
1) System that works with a moderate bankroll (less than $500)
2) System that can be used on a live wheel without an enormous amount of waiting (betting at least once every five spins)
3) System that can be calculated in time to make proper bets
4) Bets must be placed before the dealer releases ball
5) System that everyone can learn (within reason-no "gut feeling" - just simple math)
What do you think?
I agree with most of this. As for #1, I prefer to think in terms of units and percentages. For #5, my gut is full of $%#.
Kimo Li claims to use 4 spins or less as his trigger. I know we used 12 spins in this test but in terms of 'hit and run' I'm not sure it's necessary. No idea what his pattern indicators are though.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 04:26 PM 2015
Here you go :
0
32
6
21
1
25
32
8
19
30
7
8
Good luck! :)
thanks.
22,25,32,33,35,36 for 6 spins.
please post the next 6 numbers. if there is no hit, i give you another set of six for the same perm.
max
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 05:14 PM 2015
I agree with most of this. As for #1, I prefer to think in terms of units and percentages. For #5, my gut is full of $%#.
Kimo Li claims to use 4 spins or less as his trigger. I know we used 12 spins in this test but in terms of 'hit and run' I'm not sure it's necessary. No idea what his pattern indicators are though.
So were you using the all 12 previous numbers, or just the last 4?
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 07, 05:16 PM 2015
thanks.
22,25,32,33,35,36 for 6 spins.
please post the next 6 numbers. if there is no hit, i give you another set of six for the same perm.
max
Hey Remaxx,
Here are the next 6:
18
10
18
18
2
1
No hitsTable #2 - 03.01.2015
thanks.
there was no hit even when played 12 numbers for three spins.
next 6: 1,3,11,15,17,18
same perm.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 05:18 PM 2015
So were you using the all 12 previous numbers, or just the last 4?
I looked at all 12. Looking back, I could have just used the last 6 and got the same result except for the Test 8 that I lost since it was:
111
111
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 04:29 PM 2015
How did you confirm this? and what is your hit rate?
Thanks
RFMAXX, could you answer this please?
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 05:29 PM 2015
RFMAXX, could you answer this please?
i track by hand and use duisburg spins.
so far, i played 7 sessions. all won.
now i am testing my tweak because i got scary as you told, you missed 9 times in a row.
maybe the penthouse prog is good to survive 9 misses. will do more tests of course.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 07, 05:27 PM 2015
thanks.
there was no hit even when played 12 numbers for three spins.
next 6: 1,3,11,15,17,18
same perm.
next 6 spins :
24
19
1w
29
25
15ww/l : 1/1 (or 2/12)
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 07, 05:32 PM 2015
i track by hand and use duisburg spins.
so far, i played 7 sessions. all won.
now i am testing my tweak because i got scary as you told, you missed 9 times in a row.
maybe the penthouse prog is good to survive 9 misses. will do more tests of course.
Thank you. What about something like a 1-1-2 progression to limit losses? Losing 9 of those shouldn't be difficult to recover from. The key, that I gathered from Kimo Li's post is to be sure there's a profit when you hit. Something like 1-1-2 would work. 1-2-3, 1-2-4, etc. Happy testing - good luck.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 05:27 PM 2015
I looked at all 12. Looking back, I could have just used the last 6 and got the same result except for the Test 8 that I lost since it was:
111
111
How about 10 more tests later tonight, but with only 6 previous numbers this time?Also, what happens if you play straight through instead of hit-and-run?
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 05:37 PM 2015
Thank you. What about something like a 1-1-2 progression to limit losses? Losing 9 of those shouldn't be difficult to recover from. The key, that I gathered from Kimo Li's post is to be sure there's a profit when you hit. Something like 1-1-2 would work. 1-2-3, 1-2-4, etc. Happy testing - good luck.
i agree. something like that. kimo needs only 12 spins to get his 1500 or -500 target.
my tweak uses only 6 numbers. i feel safer betting 6 numbers with a progression. a lot of work and testing for me. :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 05:38 PM 2015
How about 10 more tests later tonight, but with only 6 previous numbers this time?
Also, what happens if you play straight through instead of hit-and-run?
i am in. i will try it with my 6 numbers if it is ok for u.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 05:38 PM 2015
How about 10 more tests later tonight, but with only 6 previous numbers this time?
Also, what happens if you play straight through instead of hit-and-run?
I'm going to pass - I jumped in thinking 10 tests would be great fun without taking up too much time. I ended up doing 16.
Honestly, I'd just much rather play.
RFMAXX, can I pass you the torch?
If so, good luck.
I'd still be happy to answer any questions.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 05:44 PM 2015
I'm going to pass - I jumped in thinking 10 tests would be great fun without taking up too much time. I ended up doing 16.
Honestly, I'd just much rather play.
RFMAXX, can I pass you the torch?
If so, good luck.
I'd still be happy to answer any questions.
I understand. Thanks for your help, and keep us posted of your results! :)
Remaxx, I'll post more numbers later tonight.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 05:53 PM 2015
I understand. Thanks for your help, and keep us posted of your results! :)
Remaxx, I'll post more numbers later tonight.
You're welcome! Will do.
Here's a little more food for thought - the other 16/29 results were RNG.
thelaw, will you be trying this?
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 07, 06:03 PM 2015
You're welcome! Will do.
Here's a little more food for thought - the other 16/29 results were RNG.
thelaw, will you be trying this?
I might even do you one better- after I run a few more tests this week, and take a close look at the system, I might make an offer to financially back someone to see if we can double the bank.
If we could show that this system could go from say $500 dollars to $10,000, this may be the first step in proving that the game can be beaten!!!
Law,
Wouldnt double the bank be $1000 if your BR is $500?
Hope someone can break this method down, just imagine if some more real heads got involved.......
Imagine that
That was awesome Kimo Li.
Just saw that my last post was #888 your reply was #111 for you!
Quote from: amk on Jul 07, 06:28 PM 2015
Law,
Wouldnt double the bank be $1000 if your BR is $500?
Hope someone can break this method down, just imagine if some more real heads got involved.......
Sorry about that.....I should clarify :
If you could take $500 and double the bank, although impressive, it wouldn't get very much attention. If you turn $500 into $10,000, well then people would take notice!We're looking for the point where "luck" no longer the answer.
No worries Law.
Keep it goin! inspiring stuff.
Hi P.A
Now, in the next 6spins,
1]will all 6stars number HIT?
What the probability that all 6 stars numbers will hit in next 6spin?
Get the idea now?
2]Will the star number repeat in next 6spins?
If only 4 stars numbers hit in 6spins, mean, two star repeat,
then other 2star number sleep.
Get the idea?
3] Will only ONE star number hit in the next 6 spins?
what the probability of only one star number hit?
Meaning that the other 5 stars number sleep?
GET THE IDEA???
How does one record all this info, pen and paper,blocks of 6 spins. Thanks NTH
QuoteHow does one record all this info, pen and paper,blocks of 6 spins. Thanks NTH
It's called a spreadsheet, Global Star Demo Spreadsheet, see attached.
hello friends tried this here in my casino Argentina, with 3 balls to reel with 6 balls, to monitor the third lap, with repetition, etc etc. And unfortunately I lost a lot of money. Played 12 numbers, PRINCIPLE 6 THE NUMBERS COULD NOT WIN AND CONSISTENTLY. Unfortunately resort roulette need to generate extra cash in my short time but could not. Keep reading but every time the light is farther away. Hugs to all and good luck in life especially.
Tests for Remaxx :
Test 1/10 :
20
2
21
1
2
16
Test 2/10 :
27
1
15
5
19
26
Test 3/10 :
24
17
19
28
32
5
Test 4/10 :
5
19
1
25
1
24
Test 5/10 :
35
25
27
36
19
24
Test 6/10 :
15
4
20
19
6
9
Test 7/10 :
22
11
17
29
8
2
Test 8/10 :
3
32
20
29
22
5
Test 9/10 :
28
10
13
25
12
11
Test 10/10 :
7
17
30
20
35
26
Good luck!!! :)
Are these stats helpful for the pinwheel?
link:://:.win-maxx.com/basics/basics09.html (link:://:.win-maxx.com/basics/basics09.html)
Some thoughts for pattern indicators - no idea what they are selling here but wanted to share the visuals.
link:://:.win-maxx.com/systems/clusters.shtml (link:://:.win-maxx.com/systems/clusters.shtml)
That "Clusters" thing is a system by Dr. Nuenbuaer (sp) called "Casino Killer" or some such. Basically it is a guessing game. Yes, I paid for that one. Learn from my mistake, don't buy anything that has arrows pointing to which way the movement will be on the carpet.
Twocat
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 08, 07:17 AM 2015
That "Clusters" thing is a system by Dr. Nuenbuaer (sp) called "Casino Killer" or some such. Basically it is a guessing game. Yes, I paid for that one. Learn from my mistake, don't buy anything that has arrows pointing to which way the movement will be on the carpet.
Twocat
HA, thanks for the laugh. Sorry to hear that.
I wish those cats who promise you the rose garden should get thorns stuck into their arse..
Kimo is not any better than the rest of the gang. . Just wrapped into a shrewd package.
Tamino, he did not promise any roses. Actually he has always said this is not for everybody but rather for few who will be able to handle it.
I do not understand your defense of Mr. KIMO, you can not handle it when your box does not stand a delay of a few sectors, llamese reel or q is subordinate.
Quote from: Tamino on Jul 08, 12:04 PM 2015
I wish those cats who promise you the rose garden should get thorns stuck into their arse..
Kimo is not any better than the rest of the gang. . Just wrapped into a shrewd package.
I agree, hence the testing.
If it works; it works, then we can leave Kimo out as he clearly has no interest in taking part.
Although, to be fair to Kimo, he has already made one appearance on this thread without anyone asking for his help, so maybe he just can't stay away! :sad2:
Global Pie
Global Stars
Global Moderator
The light came on for me.
...........amd the money disappeared intp the Black Hole.
The holy grail are the book sales for authors and system sellers
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 08, 03:40 PM 2015
Global Pie
Global Stars
Global Moderator
The light came on for me.
Well, you hand over the testing to Remaxx and ..............(crickets) :lol:
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 08, 03:40 PM 2015
Global Pie
Global Stars
Global Moderator
The light came on for me.
How is your personal testing going?
My assumption is that Kimo Li has been playing roulette for a long time, has only been in the plus overall since he started playing live. Perhaps he is playing with a method that does not win longterm, longterm being ??500,000 sessions?? but he has been winning consistently non the less with his playing style for the past ??10/15 years?
Either this is true or Kimo Li is making it all up.
Perhaps diego did not apply the correct strategy? like divide your BR into smaller BRs or dont bet a lot of money in a short amount of time the first time you play a method live. I would try to always stretch things out and build up my BR and betting amount making sure not to lose everything a long the way.
Since we love roulette so much I think ultimately we should all just put aside a certain amount of money we can lose per month and play live, any method you feel is strong. Either you lose your monthly BR or you are in the plus after 20/30 days of playing. Then never play the method again (perhaps not with your method Kimo Li when applied correctly)
We might just have to keep it short and sweet.
A final question, how many sessions do we have to test/pass before we can conclude that a method will win "longterm" for you playing live roulette??
Quote from: amk on Jul 08, 05:41 PM 2015
My assumption is that Kimo Li has been playing roulette for a long time, has only been in the plus overall since he started playing live. Perhaps he is playing with a method that does not win longterm, longterm being ??500,000 sessions?? but he has been winning consistently non the less with his playing style for the past ??10/15 years?
Either this is true or Kimo Li is making it all up.
Perhaps diego did not apply the correct strategy? like divide your BR into smaller BRs or dont bet a lot of money in a short amount of time the first time you play a method live. I would try to always stretch things out and build up my BR and betting amount making sure not to lose everything a long the way.
Since we love roulette so much I think ultimately we should all just put aside a certain amount of money we can lose per month and play live, any method you feel is strong. Either you lose your monthly BR or you are in the plus after 20/30 days of playing. Then never play the method again (perhaps not with your method Kimo Li when applied correctly)
We might just have to keep it short and sweet.
A final question, how many sessions do we have to test/pass before we can conclude that a method will win "longterm" for you playing live roulette??
Well,
1Eleven won 9/10 test games. If we extend that to say 270 out of 300 games, it would appear to be a winner long term.
To play devils advocate however, there are members who claim a winning strategy for 5000 spins before it fails. :question:
CU again once this Kimo charade has bitten the dust.
HAPPY WINNINGS !!!
Tamino
sorry, busy. first three:
1:
Standard Bet: 2,9,10,12,13,16,19,20,26,39,30,34 for 3 spins
tweak 1: 2,9,10,12,13,16 for 6 spins
tweak 2: 19,20,26,29,30,34,21,23,24,27,28,31 for 3 spins
2:
Standard Bet: 1,3,11,15,17,18,21,23,24,27,28,31
tweak 1: 1,3,11,15,17,18
tweak 2: 21,23,24,27,28,31,2,9,12,10,13,16
3:
Standard Bet: 1,3,11,15,17,18,21,23,24,27,28,31
tweak 1: 21,23,24,27,28,31
tweak 2: 22,25,32,33,35,36,1,3,11,15,17,18
no hit at a 12 numbers bet ends the game.
no hit at 6 numbers bet: please post the 6 losing numbers and i will post another 6. thanks.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 08, 06:16 PM 2015
sorry, busy. first three:
1:
Standard Bet: 2,9,10,12,13,16,19,20,26,39,30,34 for 3 spins
tweak 1: 2,9,10,12,13,16 for 6 spins
tweak 2: 19,20,26,29,30,34,21,23,24,27,28,31 for 3 spins
2:
Standard Bet: 1,3,11,15,17,18,21,23,24,27,28,31
tweak 1: 1,3,11,15,17,18
tweak 2: 21,23,24,27,28,31,2,9,12,10,13,16
3:
Standard Bet: 1,3,11,15,17,18,21,23,24,27,28,31
tweak 1: 21,23,24,27,28,31
tweak 2: 22,25,32,33,35,36,1,3,11,15,17,18
no hit at a 12 numbers bet ends the game.
no hit at 6 numbers bet: please post the 6 losing numbers and i will post another 6. thanks.
OK. Remaxx, the deal was 6 previous numbers provided, and you give 6 numbers for the next 6 spins. All of these "alternate" bets are just muddying the waters.
Feel free to post your 6 number bets for all 10 tests when you get a chance-no rush, take your time. Thanks! :)
Won 15 out of 16, not 9 out of 10.
All methods will win for a certain amount of time, the HG is knowing when to stop.....
This knowing is either luck or an accurate calculated assumption.
Hope Kimo Li's method will pass thelaws testing criteria. I would then confidently play the method live until I lose my set aside BR, perhaps I might not lose it?
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: [a goanna is sizzling over a fire. Sue looks ill] How do you like your goanna? Medium? Well done?
Sue Charlton: You don't really expect me to eat that?
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: Yeah, it’s great. Yeah, try some of these yams, try the grubs and the sugar ants. Just bite the end off, they're really sweet. Black fellas love 'em.
Sue Charlton: [tentatively tries a large beetle] What about you, aren't you having any?
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: Me? [Mick starts working on a tin with his knife]
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: ...Well, you can live on it, but it taste like shit.
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: [the ball is spinning. Sue looks ill] How do you like [Pinwheel]?
Sue Charlton: You don't really expect me to [play] that?
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: Yeah, it’s great. Yeah, try some of these [stars], try the [pies] and the [three spins). Just [start betting], they're really [easy]. [roulette] fellas love 'em.
Sue Charlton: [tentatively places a bet] What about you, aren't you [betting]?
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: Me? [Mick starts working on some chips]
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: ...Well, you can live on it, but [you actually have to work].
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 08, 06:36 PM 2015
Won 15 out of 16, not 9 out of 10.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. I was just trying to give round numbers for an example.
My apologies.
How are your personal tests going?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 08, 06:47 PM 2015
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: [a goanna is sizzling over a fire. Sue looks ill] How do you like your goanna? Medium? Well done?
Sue Charlton: You don't really expect me to eat that?
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: Yeah, it’s great. Yeah, try some of these yams, try the grubs and the sugar ants. Just bite the end off, they're really sweet. Black fellas love 'em.
Sue Charlton: [tentatively tries a large beetle] What about you, aren't you having any?
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: Me? [Mick starts working on a tin with his knife]
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: ...Well, you can live on it, but it taste like shit.
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: [the ball is spinning. Sue looks ill] How do you like [Pinwheel]?
Sue Charlton: You don't really expect me to [play] that?
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: Yeah, it’s great. Yeah, try some of these [stars], try the [pies] and the [three spins). Just [start betting], they're really [easy]. [roulette] fellas love 'em.
Sue Charlton: [tentatively places a bet] What about you, aren't you [betting]?
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: Me? [Mick starts working on some chips]
Michael J. “Crocodile†Dundee: ...Well, you can live on it, but [you actually have to work].
More great insights from Kimo :sad2:
He just can't stay away.........too much attention.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=NKY_PCht5mk (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=NKY_PCht5mk)
Mods,
I believe the bully mentality needs to be addressed. Taunting will only lead to an antagonistic climate.
thelaw,
Your quest to prove the validity of one of my methods is commendable.
It already has been proven, but not by you. I think you really want this to work because you want to find the HG.
When it fails, you want to relish in the limelight of look at me, I told you so.
Either way, you will win. If it proves to be right, you would have found the HG. If it's wrong, look at me I win.
But here's the funny thing, I win too. I never expected it. My spreadsheet sales is going through the roof. My book sales has tripled in the last 2 weeks.
I thank you, because all payments received goes to charities. It always has and always will.
Kimo Li
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 08, 07:40 PM 2015
Mods,
I believe the bully mentality needs to be addressed. Taunting will only lead to an antagonistic climate.
thelaw,
Your quest to prove the validity of one of my methods is commendable.
It already has been proven, but not by you. I think you really want this to work because you want to find the HG.
When it fails, you want to relish in the limelight of look at me, I told you so.
Either way, you will win. If it proves to be right, you would have found the HG. If it's wrong, look at me I win.
But here's the funny thing, I win too. I never expected it. My spreadsheet sales is going through the roof. My book sales has tripled in the last 2 weeks.
I thank you, because all payments received goes to charities. It always has and always will.
Kimo Li
Kimo,
What choice do we have?
You have chosen not to share any details of your system. So what are we to do?
Just leave it and say : "Kimo's stuff doesn't work", or actually test it out without any help from you.
I am choosing to test it out and see if it works. If it does, then it will be because I took the initiative with the help of other members-no thanks to you. If it doesn't, then I'll have to say that will still don't have any evidence of a working system.
But let me make one thing crystal clear: You are responsible for the burden of proof for your system, not us. You made the claims, and now you must back it up. Your "proof" thus far has been 2 links that do not show any solid evidence of a winning system. As for your book and spreadsheets sales, we have no way of verifying those numbers, and this just sounds to me like a wind-up designed to provoke a reaction.
Well, Kimo, it's been fun, but from this point forward I won't be communicating with you directly as I have gained nothing from it. Best of luck to you! :)
Good luck to you.
5000 spins is nothing. That's far from enough to see if something works or not, that's why I personally don't take most threads with manual 100 spin tests seriously. Last weekend I ran many tests in excel for different bet selections, and steep progressions. It can never fail, otherwise it would wipe out one's roll in no time. And one of them didn't fail for about 30000 spins, I already imagined spending the money I was hoping to win with it, but then it lost. Now I could have made a HG thread showing a bunch of 500 spin sessions winning, but it would haven been just another time waster in the end. Also tried with stop loss, but that never works. It always happens just often enough to lose in the long run.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 08, 07:40 PM 2015
Mods,
I believe the bully mentality needs to be addressed. Taunting will only lead to an antagonistic climate.
thelaw,
Your quest to prove the validity of one of my methods is commendable.
It already has been proven, but not by you. I think you really want this to work because you want to find the HG.
When it fails, you want to relish in the limelight of look at me, I told you so.
Either way, you will win. If it proves to be right, you would have found the HG. If it's wrong, look at me I win.
But here's the funny thing, I win too. I never expected it. My spreadsheet sales is going through the roof. My book sales has tripled in the last 2 weeks.
I thank you, because all payments received goes to charities. It always has and always will.
Kimo Li
Hello Kimo Li - that is very nice of you giving all the profit to charities - this means you are a man with good charistics.
Cheers
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 07, 05:01 PM 2015
Sure. If we are talking in absolutes then, if you had millions, you could use any progression.
To truly have a HG system, you would probably need the following (my opinion based on the posts I've read over the years) :
1) System that works with a moderate bankroll (less than $500)
2) System that can be used on a live wheel without an enormous amount of waiting (betting at least once every five spins)
3) System that can be calculated in time to make proper bets
4) Bets must be placed before the dealer releases ball
5) System that everyone can learn (within reason-no "gut feeling" - just simple math)
What do you think?
HG on silver platter!!!
Quote from: ati on Jul 09, 03:11 AM 2015
5000 spins is nothing. That's far from enough to see if something works or not, that's why I personally don't take most threads with manual 100 spin tests seriously. Last weekend I ran many tests in excel for different bet selections, and steep progressions. It can never fail, otherwise it would wipe out one's roll in no time. And one of them didn't fail for about 30000 spins, I already imagined spending the money I was hoping to win with it, but then it lost. Now I could have made a HG thread showing a bunch of 500 spin sessions winning, but it would haven been just another time waster in the end. Also tried with stop loss, but that never works. It always happens just often enough to lose in the long run.
Where did you post this system? I can't seem to find it.
Quote from: ego on Jul 09, 05:10 AM 2015
Hello Kimo Li - that is very nice of you giving all the profit to charities - this means you are a man with good charistics.
Cheers
If true, this is true.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 08, 07:01 PM 2015
Yes, you are absolutely correct. I was just trying to give round numbers for an example.
My apologies.
How are your personal tests going?
It's going well, thanks. +700 units for the month of July, so far.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 08:16 AM 2015
It's going well, thanks. +700 units for the month of July, so far.
When are you going to start playing live?
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 09, 08:23 AM 2015
When are you going to start playing live?
These are live results.
5,000 spins
you should be able to make enough profit in 60 spins.
this morning corals 55 spins from .20p starting units using paper tracker for winkels HG £14.00 if you could start with £1 units it would been £70.00.
Now how to prove it, who cares, i know,thats all i need to know.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 08:34 AM 2015
These are live results.
Real money? :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 09, 08:49 AM 2015
Real money? :thumbsup:
Yes, sir. No risk, no reward.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 09:05 AM 2015
Yes, sir. No risk, no reward.
Awesome!!! Congratulations!!! :)
Would you be interested in doing a public testing of the system if I backed you?
If you could triple the bankroll, then this could be the first step in presenting a working system. We could do paper tests all day, but if we are both invested in this and present it in a public forum, then we are actually taking risks. I put up the bank - even split with the profits = 50/50 :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 09, 09:13 AM 2015
Awesome!!! Congratulations!!! :)
Would you be interested in doing a public testing of the system if I backed you?
If you could triple the bankroll, then this could be the first step in presenting a working system. We could do paper tests all day, but if we are both invested in this and present it in a public forum, then we are actually taking risks. I put up the bank - even split with the profits = 50/50 :)
Why not start betting yourself? He posted the system didn't he?
Are you using a progression 1eleven? I like the up and pull method alot!
Quote from: RayManZ on Jul 09, 09:36 AM 2015
Why not start betting yourself? He posted the system didn't he?
Are you using a progression 1eleven? I like the up and pull method alot!
The goal of this thread was to show proof of this system publicly. Better if two separate parties are invested in the project.
1Eleven has already claimed a certain amount of success, so my solo success would just be redundant at this point. :)
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 09, 09:47 AM 2015
The goal of this thread was to show proof of this system publicly. Better if two separate parties are invested in the project.
1Eleven has already claimed a certain amount of success, so my solo success would just be redundant at this point. :)
But kimo is also one person who has success. Wouldn't it be better if more people had success? That would be better proof then just 1eleven. Maybe it works for him but for nobody else...
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 09, 09:13 AM 2015
Awesome!!! Congratulations!!! :)
Would you be interested in doing a public testing of the system if I backed you?
If you could triple the bankroll, then this could be the first step in presenting a working system. We could do paper tests all day, but if we are both invested in this and present it in a public forum, then we are actually taking risks. I put up the bank - even split with the profits = 50/50 :)
Interested? Yes. But the agreement and process would need to be CLEARLY defined and worth my time. Time really is money.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jul 09, 09:36 AM 2015
Why not start betting yourself? He posted the system didn't he?
Are you using a progression 1eleven? I like the up and pull method alot!
Yes, I am.
When are you going up?
I'd like to add what we have NOT PROVEN is if the bet selection makes any difference. Would this work with dozens? double streets? etc. If so, then it's simply a matter of money management, progression, win goals, stop losses, etc. I'm all for keeping things simple.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 10:05 AM 2015
Yes, I am. :(
When are you going up?
On a win i double my bets for the next. When i lose i start all over.
What's yours?
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 10:09 AM 2015
I'd like to add what we have NOT PROVEN is if the bet selection makes any difference. Would this work with dozens? double streets? etc. If so, then it's simply a matter of money management, progression, win goals, stop losses, etc. I'm all for keeping things simple.
Hi 1 Eleven
dont know much about Kimo's way, method. But when quotes of would this work with this or that, that is what makes me wonder if its worth looking at.
To be honest untill i looked at Winkels HG i thought here we go page after page of replies, just like this ones going, but i eventually looked at the HG.
Well it was like reading something i was already doing just in a different way. But as said with D darko RG's best mate the only thing you know that will happen is all 37 numbers are DUE and will all be hit within
X number of spins.I asked Dane how many spins to get all 37 hit,if i remember right he said 155 spins, and 155 spins is the average i have for smart live to hit all 37 numbers, alas its average.
I've numerous records for bookie spins and on avg these rng spins hit all 37 numbers in 120 spins. I suggest people start to record how long each number starting say for 27 numbers takes to hit then do the same for 26 numbers down to about 5 left, you'd be surprised what average you'd get, but keep studing you might become a sixth dan in KIMO
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 09, 11:08 AM 2015
Hi 1 Eleven
dont know much about Kimo's way, method. But when quotes of would this work with this or that, that is what makes me wonder if its worth looking at.
To be honest untill i looked at Winkels HG i thought here we go page after page of replies, just like this ones going, but i eventually looked at the HG.
Well it was like reading something i was already doing just in a different way. But as said with D darko RG's best mate the only thing you know that will happen is all 37 numbers are DUE and will all be hit within X number of spins.
I asked Dane how many spins to get all 37 hit,if i remember right he said 155 spins, and 155 spins is the average i have for smart live to hit all 37 numbers, alas its average.
I've numerous records for bookie spins and on avg these rng spins hit all 37 numbers in 120 spins. I suggest people start to record how long each number starting say for 27 numbers takes to hit then do the same for 26 numbers down to about 5 left, you'd be surprised what average you'd get, but keep studing you might become a sixth dan in KIMO
Thanks for sharing but I don't see the relevance for THIS thread. I have yet to look at that method, in detail, but did grab a copy of your paper tracker. My issue is this, I have a preference towards hit and run. The idea of tracking 100+ spins does not excite me and would not work well in a B&M casino. For me, it comes down to efficiency. Counting spins and results is not my idea of efficiency - as for my initial point, let's keep that discussion on the winkel thread. Thank you. I'm also not interested in becoming a sixth dan at ANYTHING.
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities. In the experts, there are few." Which will you choose?
QuoteIf true, this is true.
A human being must stand by one's integrity, especially when confronted with compromise and betrayal.
Kimo Li
Quote from: RayManZ on Jul 09, 10:13 AM 2015
On a win i double my bets for the next. When i lose i start all over.
What's yours?
and when you hit W/L/W/L? When are you taking a profit?
My progression responses were already posted here.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 09, 11:44 AM 2015
A human being must stand by one's integrity, especially when confronted with compromise and betrayal.
Kimo Li
Integrity comes from the root word "integer" - meaning "whole"
This can clearly be looked into further by this question:
When one dies, will everyone be talking about the same person at their funeral?
QuoteWhen one dies, will everyone be talking about the same person at their funeral?
Only when the integrity is broken, then one can speak ill of the dead.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 11:44 AM 2015
Thanks for sharing but I don't see the relevance for THIS thread. I have yet to look at that method, in detail, but did grab a copy of your paper tracker. My issue is this, I have a preference towards hit and run. The idea of tracking 100+ spins does not excite me and would not work well in a B&M casino. For me, it comes down to efficiency. Counting spins and results is not my idea of efficiency - as for my initial point, let's keep that discussion on the winkel thread. Thank you. I'm also not interested in becoming a sixth dan at ANYTHING.
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities. In the experts, there are few." Which will you choose?
Winkels Thanks
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 09, 12:11 PM 2015
Winkels Thanks
Good luck, maybe we will meet at the crossing of both approaches.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 08, 07:40 PM 2015
But here's the funny thing, I win too. I never expected it. My spreadsheet sales is going through the roof. My book sales has tripled in the last 2 weeks.
I thank you, because all payments received goes to charities. It always has and always will.
Kimo Li
This makes me sad. I hope all of those people know their money is going directly to charity instead of service since you have stated you will no longer be teaching (see post on integrity). This means you will not be supporting the work that is for sale.
1eleven,
You are right it is sad, but change is inevitable. Thank you for your concern.
Please don't be sad. Sales and services are not the only way charities benefit.
Current members give to their favorite charities a percentage of their winnings.
My only hope is that someone will be successful and can donate as well to their favorite charity.
Kimo Li
1eleven,
arent you also giving away 50% of ur profit to thelaw charity? :twisted:
Quote from: marvin on Jul 09, 01:03 PM 2015
1eleven,
arent you also giving away 50% of ur profit to thelaw charity? :twisted:
No.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 09, 12:56 PM 2015
1eleven,
You are right it is sad, but change is inevitable. Thank you for your concern.
Please don't be sad. Sales and services are not the only way charities benefit.
Current members give to their favorite charities a percentage of their winnings.
My only hope is that someone will be successful and can donate as well to their favorite charity.
Kimo Li
Good to hear.
1eleven,
I hope you are successful at this testing, to prove that RNG can be beaten.
Kimo Li
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 09, 01:28 PM 2015
1eleven,
I hope you are successful at this testing, to prove that RNG can be beaten.
Kimo Li
Do you know that the bees and dogs can smell fear?
What are you afraid of, Kimo Li?
See you at the tables, sir.
1eleven,
Fear, what are you talking about?
Post your results to show that you can win.
Kimo Li
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 10:04 AM 2015
Interested? Yes. But the agreement and process would need to be CLEARLY defined and worth my time. Time really is money.
What's your price?
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 09, 02:23 PM 2015
1eleven,
Fear, what are you talking about?
Post your results to show that you can win.
Kimo Li
I have done that. You have not.
I'm referring to the shifty responses. My post about the lack of support for your sales was shifted to a charity response. Your post above about RNG gives you another out. If thelaws test (not mine) doesn't work, you claim you do not advocate RNG or we do not have all your material/knowledge. Either commit to your claims of 10k-20k in a weekend (rose garden), or quit - you have recently chosen the latter. We will leave this be now before one takes their ball and goes home - to the mods.
I may be speaking for thelaw here but I believe the essence of what he is after is this:
Take ownership of your work. It works the majority of the time, or it doesn't. Even if you demonstrated this clearly, with one approach you would have everyone eating out of the palm of your hand - I'm trying my best to support this here with what you have posted elsewhere (pinwheel-stating that anyone that plays it will make a lot money). Instead, there are doubts. No one wants to doubt you. I'd love for EVERY single person on this board to be a long-term winner. Can you honestly say the same?
There are ideas. Then there's execution.
Ideas alone are worthless. It's time to execute.
1eleven,
If you want everyone to win, then show them how you do it. You already know how the Pinwheel works.
Kimo Li
Quote from: Kimo Li on Jul 09, 03:24 PM 2015
1eleven,
If you want everyone to win, then show them how you do it. You already know how the Pinwheel works.
Kimo Li
That implies that the pinwheel works, doesn't it?
Gents never looked at Mr Kimo li's methods, so is it poss to give a basic idea what Pin wheel is. Thanks.
It does not matter. People just want to know how you are winning. thelaw even asked to name your price.
is pinwheel making use of global stars
Quoteis pinwheel making use of global stars
yes,
Pinwheel is made up of a combination of Stars 14, 25, 36
PW14 = 4,5,6,7,8,14,22,25,32,33,35,36 (Star 1 are the red numbers, Star 4 are the black numbers)
PW25 = 1,3,11,15,17,18,21,23,24,27,28,31 (Star 2 are the black numbers, Star 5 are the red numbers)
PW 36 = 2,9,10,12,13,16,19,20,26,29,30,34 (Star 3 are the red numbers, Star 6 are the black numbers)
The premise behind this method is that the numbers are divided "equally" around the wheel, excluding the 0. What this means is that when you bet a Pinwheel combination, the ball will fall in an area where you will have a 1 in 3 chance that the ball will fall on your number.
So, for every three spins, the average should be 1 in every 3 spins. But we all know a group of twelve may miss several times in a row. So the focus should be on how many times a Pinwheel grouping will hit in a row within each three spin sets.
Really I do not understand your position KIMOLI sr. If you could teach win in this forum would not do ??? Apparently you choose one who does charity ??? unfortunately all need charity from someone who really knows how to defeat something as powerful as a casino. IF YOU DO FOR Teach FOR GRAPHICS AND EASY WAY TO A person who just wants to win something or rather very little bit so we can SAY HE RECOVERED SOME OF MY TIME INVESTED IN THIS AND MY MONEY. SR HIS GREETINGS AND GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 05:24 PM 2015
That implies that the pinwheel works, doesn't it?
Hey !Eleven,
Take it from a guy who has already been down that road, hopefully by now you can see the game that Kimo is playing; engaging him is exactly what he wants.
He is using invisible compromise, so he always has an out.
Say that you respect his work - he is your "master"
Say you don't believe his work or that it fails in testing - he says you are not intelligent or clever enough to understand
Claim that he is a fraud or running a scam by not showing proof - he cries to the mods I learned a long time ago to judge people by their actions and not their words. Look closer at Kimo's actions...........
what is he doing exactly??? :question:
I read everything here exposed and I see no juice with real money. I if I did and wind vane assure you that those who wait, and when they pass three laps without hitting your surely you transfer to the new trend but incredibly out that you came along and you lose. If you do not change and follow the first repetition of the wind vane it is delayed much more than any pocket dares to follow a play. I checked UNFORTUNATELY THIS WITH MY REAL MONEY. IF ITS TESTING HOPE HAVE DONE
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 09, 02:46 PM 2015
What's your price?
I need more information. Feel free to PM me. If we can sort out some details and come to an agreement then we can share that on this thread.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 09:04 PM 2015
I need more information. Feel free to PM me. If we can sort out some details and come to an agreement then we can share that on this thread.
I would rather keep everything public, as this thread was designed to be as transparent as possible. PM defeats the purpose. :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 09, 09:38 PM 2015
I would rather keep everything public, as this thread was designed to be as transparent as possible. PM defeats the purpose. :thumbsup:
I understand. Then I guess you'll need to see what terms you can come up with and we will go from there.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 09:57 PM 2015
I understand. Then I guess you'll need to see what terms you can come up with and we will go from there.
That's why I asked earlier about your price. You mentioned that you needed for it to be worth your time, so what is your time worth, or how much bank would you need? :thumbsup:
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 09:57 PM 2015
I understand. Then I guess you'll need to see what terms you can come up with and we will go from there.
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 09:59 PM 2015
Please explain each column header on this tracker.
Thank you
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 09, 11:44 AM 2015
Thanks for sharing but I don't see the relevance for THIS thread. I have yet to look at that method, in detail, but did grab a copy of your paper tracker. My issue is this, I have a preference towards hit and run. The idea of tracking 100+ spins does not excite me and would not work well in a B&M casino. For me, it comes down to efficiency. Counting spins and results is not my idea of efficiency - as for my initial point, let's keep that discussion on the winkel thread. Thank you. I'm also not interested in becoming a sixth dan at ANYTHING.
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities. In the experts, there are few." Which will you choose?
Looks like you just got lucky with Kimo Li method or have been pulling peoples chain. Which one is it?
Quote from: Azim on Jul 09, 11:22 PM 2015
Looks like you just got lucky with Kimo Li method or have been pulling peoples chain. Which one is it?
What are you talking about? I have stated all along that I do not believe this is a long term winner.
In other words, RTFT.
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 09, 10:03 PM 2015
That's why I asked earlier about your price. You mentioned that you needed for it to be worth your time, so what is your time worth, or how much bank would you need? :thumbsup:
There are too many variables. Where would this be played? Live/RNG? How many stages of a progression are you willing to go? If the bank gets cut in half do you want to bail or continue? How is it tracked? (aka how much time to do I need to spend updating others and answering questions). Is there a stop loss? Win goal? etc. It's hard enough determining your own plan, based on your tolerance let alone with someone else's money. What are you comfortable with?
For example, let's say we started with 5,000 units. You mentioned 3x - does that prove anything? We get to 15,000 units - the profit is 10,000 so you doubled your money and I get 5000.
I'll state it simply - that's not worth my time nor will it prove anything. At the moment, I'm out. Get creative and maybe I'll be back in. Or, maybe this will be my 'last post.' ;)
Quote from: 1eleven on Jul 10, 07:17 AM 2015
There are too many variables. Where would this be played? Live/RNG? How many stages of a progression are you willing to go? If the bank gets cut in half do you want to bail or continue? How is it tracked? (aka how much time to do I need to spend updating others and answering questions). Is there a stop loss? Win goal? etc. It's hard enough determining your own plan, based on your tolerance let alone with someone else's money. What are you comfortable with?
For example, let's say we started with 5,000 units. You mentioned 3x - does that prove anything? We get to 15,000 units - the profit is 10,000 so you doubled your money and I get 5000.
I'll state it simply - that's not worth my time nor will it prove anything. At the moment, I'm out. Get creative and maybe I'll be back in. Or, maybe this will be my 'last post.' ;)
I appreciate your honesty. Best of luck with your testing. :thumbsup:
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 10, 07:44 AM 2015
I appreciate your honesty. Best of luck with your testing. :thumbsup:
Thank you!
Without mentioning his name and not to trash anyone............
There is this strange thing called an anomaly. It's where the wheel acts a certain way for a long, long time and then stops.
On four trips to Riverwind RNG (gasp!), I saw an anomaly. This happened days apart, sometimes weeks. Then it stopped in its tracks. Naturally, I thought I had the key to the mint. How can one see the same thing over several weeks and it have it stop? Makes no sense.
Brings me back to my famous TwoCat Axiom: Numbers do strange things. If they didn't, they'd do stranger things.
So any time you are winning, it could just be the wheel or RNG (gasp!) being freaky.
Sam
Count me in for any talk regarding anomaly roulette play. I have seen some very very *STRANGE* s**t with that damn wheel. Yep, it does/can suddenly stop (lol).
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jul 10, 06:19 PM 2015
Count me in for any talk regarding anomaly roulette play. I have seen some very very *STRANGE* s**t with that damn wheel. Yep, it does/can suddenly stop (lol).
Ken
I can second this with 24 hr bot running on an RNG table. This is normal.
That's why:
1) it's called GAMBLING
2) Learn to read the situation. (listen to what Sam say's in this video)
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9943.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9943.0)
There's a system for it for RX bot, haven't tried it myself but might be worth a try for testing
Kimo Li website down. Permanent or temporary ? Wanted to have a look at some of his excel trackers.
Quote from: klw on Jul 11, 02:47 PM 2015
Kimo Li website down. Permanent or temporary ? Wanted to have a look at some of his excel trackers.
It's back up. but remember "
YOU NEED NOT WASTE YOUR TIME HERE"
Can't say he didn't warn you! :sad2:
Quote from: thelaw on Jul 11, 04:50 PM 2015
It's back up. but remember "YOU NEED NOT WASTE YOUR TIME HERE"
Can't say he didn't warn you! :sad2:
Bingo.
Update for July:
Hit 155/466 - 33.26 %
Look familiar?
Hey 1eleven,
u say
===============
Update for July:
Hit 155/466 - 33.26 %
=================
This is important .
since I cant do test programming, so need to
ask u,
Did it always hit around 33%, more or less,
at every time u test?
Thanks.
Quote from: P.A on Aug 16, 09:12 AM 2015
Hey 1eleven,
u say
===============
Update for July:
Hit 155/466 - 33.26 %
=================
This is important .
since I cant do test programming, so need to
ask u,
Did it always hit around 33%, more or less,
at every time u test?
Thanks.
No
P.A.,
I' m not sure what you're after here but I will say I do think there's some merit to what Kimo has posted about not being hung up on hit rate. For example, today's earlier session playing 9 numbers produced 9 hits out of 36 spins where I had bets on the table (hit 25%). 23.68% would be break-even on a 00 wheel, yet, even with that small percent above break-even I made a profit of 342 units.
:wink:
Quote from: 1eleven on Aug 24, 07:54 AM 2015
P.A.,
I' m not sure what you're after here but I will say I do think there's some merit to what Kimo has posted about not being hung up on hit rate. For example, today's earlier session playing 9 numbers produced 9 hits out of 36 spins where I had bets on the table (hit 25%). 23.68% would be break-even on a 00 wheel, yet, even with that small percent above break-even I made a profit of 342 units.
Thanks,1-11,
sorry late,
The essence of a HG,
1]bet selection that always hit, near equilibrium, [or as u said, 'breakeven']
2]avoidance of variance, if any...
3] mild progression that will win, when the bet selection , hit near, breakeven.
thus, the 123 order , utmost important.
no progression, can win, [albeit horrible staking], if the poor bet selection, produce variance once in the while, that wipe out entire capital, to the casino boss glee...
------------
I dont know how Kimo Li bet, or staking, as he said, with 500 will win gross 1500,
and will win 7 out of 10.
Maybe be he forced-progress, where whether win or lose , move on the ladder.
Thanks.
Sorry, I don't get caught up in the "HG" talk. It's a real mirage.
Anyone here familiar with tadpole mentioned on this very intriguing thread?
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