Purpose of this thread is to take the previous theme to a new level yet continue the semi-blog format but keep the flow uninterrupted, thus streamlining the previous material and building a new framework step by step toward enhancing professional play. Best xx v v
Have decided to commence a new campaign in March.
Need to prepare for this and refine new strategies. How to quickly respond to adverse flow, ie chop. This time there will be new locations, new casinos, and new countries. This could be a travelling show. Details will follow in coming days.
Starting to build a real focus of preferred bets and understanding of why they work. If the explanations do not match results then will toss out the earlier bet versions and re-build.
Emphasise I really like good return to outlay, and prefer to outlay smaller number of chips instinctively. Looking for ways to find and sense opportunities for consistency.
So am considering always possibly better options or perhaps better ways to play.
Clearly massive research and testing must preface real play and I understand this more and more, much as I hate testing.
Lou Holloway points out in no uncertain terms most players enter the casino ill prepared in bank size. Massively ill prepared. He advises if not properly funded stay away!! That will separate the compulsive gamblers from the real players who want to succeed professionally.
Hence the current phase of at least 2/3weeks of further preparation.
The military/ naval analogies are obvious. After the campaign - come back for the refit and re-supply and de-brief all the new knowledge, and re-distribute the profits!
New campaign starts a week today with new casino and toe in the water approach to new setting and new more Asian vibe as the city is large and a major port. Meeting an associate so will be planning over lunch a two day exploration of favoured methods, and then travelling south for a solo two week fresh campaign at my favoured boutique casino near the mountains.
I will note the methods we use and their relative success, in a few weeks.
Still like a bear with a sore head, nursing the bruises from a disastrous testing failure yesterday. It shakes the confidence, but am grateful the flaw was caught without financial cost.
Certainly got a mounting sense of excitement though over the fresh opportunities ahead.
As per C/S have gone back to play for streaks.
This is the pro way and a simple entry trigger and exit strategy is all you need.
There are various sources of streaks and EC bets provide plenty if you have patience, but as elsewhere mentioned there are more consistent options. Research will provide these. Then you have to test your ideas.
The exit strategy on the test I use is simply a double loss.
Will report soon with some specific results.
To give you some idea of the care I am going to I am testing 5 sets of 30 sessions to be certain of the most conservative of criteria for entry and exit. I am 80% through and although flat staking of course and with the double loss as a clunky exit point, am achieving good consistent uptrend in the order of +0.7units per spin. However note the reality check. There can be slow or negative passages and losses as long as 15 games ( flat staking characteristic).
But I believe now a 500 unit bank is the right balance. With a more subjective exit point I believe we can build return steadily higher.
Will start next campaign on Tuesday.
Hunting the streaks is the priority now.
Extra research was needed and after a week of setbacks, the way is now clear with some final tuning. C/S thread shows the strategic matrix now being developed for betting sequences, a bit like blackjack strategy format.
Will now start live in about 4-5 days after travel.
Good Hunting.
OK Hunting the streaks.
Over the next week will be re-visiting many key roulette books, writers and players to see the best way to organise this approach.
An important principle will be to try to ensure risk exposure is reduced by having a method that repays a good dividend in relation to cost. So if the run is abruptly terminated we can pick ourselves up and continue after a short recovery.
First writer to be reviewed will be LG Holloway in Full Time Gambler looking at his data on the EC streaks, their relative frequencies and his hints as to what we should be tabulating in order to give us leads for best professional plays. More in a few days.
Have taken 10 days out to totally review and reflect on some dramatic new information and realisations that, yes, go beyond common sense.
Thanks that the Iceman re-cometh.
Also to German max thoroughness and European love and true knowledge of the game (Ecart).
Will report soon.
Sometimes the phases we move through in our personal lives are like the phenomena of Nature that we encounter, and there can be calm still days; there can be squally and equinox type unstable conditions; and there can be storms.
It is great to feel connected to this great source of energy and if ever you are at a low ebb, all you have to do is tune in and be restored! Not always as simple but in principle there is truth in this. I am a Romantic Poet at heart.
So it is with this study and passion for roulette.
Sometimes, and in moments of greater clarity ( no mist or fog), you can map your journey and plan your path toward a pre -determined goal. Do you know where you are heading in this Quest? Have you defined the object of your desire and just what you want. As 'they' say, be careful what you wish for however. There are consequences.
Sometimes I have to be alone, and I have find some peace, away from the intrusions and distractions of the world, and of those who seek attention.
I am not interested in making great claims here.
I simply want to help myself and in so doing help others move forward on a goal which we all individually define, but generally will agree that we seek to understand more about the true nature of roulette, and thereby learn to access from its hidden treasures, some consistent success in generating worthwhile income from our investment of time and material resources therein.
This is no easy task.
However, step by step, we are moving forward. I know this because I compare my understanding now to what it was a week ago, a month ago, and a year ago.
Then it is a matter of turning our understanding into concrete proof and growing confidence in demonstratable methods and strategies that will bring us success.
Nor is that an easy task.
First its the understanding, then the methods and then the application.
The last bit, the human part, is where we have to look within and come to know ourselves. That is the hardest bit.
Point of this little note today though is to state that the understanding part is coming down to a series of relatively simple steps based on sound principles.
Despite the various approaches within this Forum, and the personalities of those who contribute, I believe there will be broad agreement in keeping our play as simple and effective as possible, although the theory behind may be complex.
Over the next 4-6 weeks or so I am going to try to focus on these key principles within this and my other threads to hammer out a plan of attack that works and that can be applied by any deserving member of RFcc.
At this stage I can mention several methods involving Matrix variations, the works of JL, and his friends, the method kindly demonstrated by Mr Iceman, and the earlier inputs regarding the so called pppcbet and various applications which continue even now, and of course several other worthy creations we see posted. Please do not be offended if I have not mentioned specific names or titles.
My spotlight will focus on those that can be applied in short cycles, probably that apply the principle of a bet within a bet, and where possible can be flat staked or at least where a short step progression is applied within reason.
The essence seems to be to be able to read the current game accurately sufficiently well to apply the appropriate method, and to read also the time to enter and the time to step aside, preferably with profit using proven money management methods that you have drilled yourself into applying .
Time and time again I hear and see the smartest/ wisest suggest +3 or +4 units as a worthy goal, and with, we would suggest, a downside no worse than -8 and with a strike rate so that there will be many more winning sessions than losing sessions, within reason, ie a good P/E ratio.
It seems to me that is the way for the professional player, also with probable usage of outside table bets primarily.
Of course there are times and short cycle ecart opportunities for inside table work but these may be relatively rare, and secondary methods.
We want to earn consistently, and without excess stress, so increasing the value of the chips to suit a satisfactory return is our goal. I do it by stringing a compounding 10% return to the units. Then stringing 10-20 winning sessions together.
Others have programs where the values can be stepped at key trigger points of bank value, suitably conservatively geared.
At the other end of the scale is the player who wants a long haul approach. Each to his own, but in this case no better way forward can be found as supported by Norman Squire, than targetting just one number and be prepared for anything.
I used to watch a player do just this and every day he would play exclusively number 17.
Of course there were days when he left and two spins later it appeared, but he derived some grim satisfaction in beating the Casino most days.
However I think he was no professional.
So todays message is to recommend short effective sessions with modest realistic target goals and unit values that are adequate but that are capable of being tuned up. Its quite simple when summarised like that.
Then will come the "seasons" to test your skills.
More detail will follow on the other threads.
Good Fortune XXVV
Thinking allowed....
1000 games tested of D+C
Remarkable streaks and lots of thoughts on progressions and many staking measures, as well as triggers and short cycle, small edge gains.
Longest streak without going to a fourth step of a progression 137.
Thats quite a deviation. Its +111 points.
Will set out on the Divide + Conquer thread.
Am referring back to discussion on the ten best staking methods.
Context - staking and attack play
link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/roulette-book-review (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/roulette-book-review)
in particular parlay, positive progression and some other techniques.
Testing of D+C variations is on that thread Divide + Conquer
500 game analysis supports 'hit and run' attack method.
That work is now completed with a fine trawl of new bets.
I will be having a look at the third wheel variations along with dozens and columns for some overlaps and possible inside table betting applications.
Sometimes it is good to climb up on a hill and just sit and reflect.
An overview on a lot of recent activity and I think, away from all the bluster, the hype, the enthusiasm, and forces which are quite divisive if we permit too much information to obscure our vision, a way forward professionally needs to be clear, direct and simple.
I have never been a fan of any form of progression , although in short steps they may have a use.
What I am now looking for and wishing to apply is a bet, or bets that can be 'abstracted', ie drawn from base bets emerging from the best of available methods that are quite flexible in handling the variations that randomness can produce.
Abstract Art was always a mystery to me until I really understood one day just what the great Masters like Picasso, Braque, Bonnard, deKooning, Chagall, sought to express. They wanted to enhance what we see and take insight to a new level, sometimes showing several viewpoints simultaneously, or taking focus on one detail and making an enhanced reality of that colour or texture, to give us more.
In other words they wanted to get below the surface and through their genius show us fresh vistas, new relationships, we never realised were there.
The same applies in all creative work.
The designer/ artist is making a statement, has something to say, is giving us more.
Well the same principle applies with development of primary and secondary bets in roulette.
We are looking deeper into the game and through our insight and understanding we can enhance our returns, and express our understanding of relationships that work below the surface of things.
Why shouldn't a fine bet be a thing of beauty.
So the characteristics of the new primary bet ( the base bet is termed secondary) are that it be simple, effective, elegant and flat.
That is the goal of the study ahead to find bets that have relatively universal application, and that can be applied in the terms of understanding 'the true nature of roulette'.
The bets thus can be relatively high value and applied in short cycles of activity, and during phases where a small positive edge can be gained over the house.
The workshop will explore some of the current frameworks that may provide such opportunities.
Its like Michelangelo looking at a block of stone and visualising within that block what he imaged as the essence of his desire.
He carved away all that was unessential. He stripped the stone away until the point was reached of engineered perfection.
As it is with the engineering of a bridge or structure; there is a point of greatest efficiency whilst also building in safety factors- a sort of muscular extra strength.
Buckminster Fuller called it a form of synergy where the sum was greater than its parts in effectiveness.
What a wonder of creation.
Those same principles can and should be applied to our engineering of perfected bets, working within certain realms.
We are striving for peak efficiency and that is found through trial and error.
That just takes time and patience, and a vision.
Heuristic means study by trial and error using experimental data.
Since we are going beyond common sense we will utilise intuition which I have seen defined as "reason taken to the nth degree" , ie super reason in the idiom of this time.
We need to look beneath the surface, and in the universe of roulette that means reading the Ecart.
The status of the Ecart is crucial in terms of the characteristics of the bet you apply, as to whether you work with the tide or against it.
Ecart is a force of Nature.
In that crazy glitzy mad house of your Vegas wannabee casino who would have thought something so natural would be/ is pivotal to your success.
I have heard luck is important but when the Casino Duty Manager recently congratulated me on a big jackpot win, he said 'you were in the right place at the right time'.
That is true. I used roulette profits and shoveled 10% onto a slots machine adjacent to the tables that I had watched from time to time.
I had had many smaller dividends over time using the same approach, but this time the planets were in alignment and yes so were the red cherries.
That machine and its sisters have since been removed from the casino. In my view it was too generous. But I don't feel guilty, just an opportunist.
Exponential is a beautiful word.
An increase exponentially is a rapid increase and one that is a function of a natural force.
A wonderful goal would be to set your gains to compound exponentially given that your understanding of the mathematics of the game is of Nature, ie natural, and not forced or artificial.
Perhaps if you can balance harmoniously the energies in roulette, then at times you can draw off profit at will.
The terms of that profit will have to responsibly respect the true nature of roulette.
Short cycles of small profit.
When there are elegant and legal means to play roulette and consistently win, why would you wish or need to do anything else.
Based on flat staking results after a robust 100,000 spin live spin analysis using data from various trusted sources, the reverse bet technique I have described on this forum seems to achieve at least +5% positive edge.
We know we fight -2.7% if in Europe but with more leverage applied to the technique, such as a short progression, or a Whittacker progression, the edge increases.
It is great to move Beyond Common Sense.
Best
XXVV
The edge can be increased by selective stop /starts.
I believe within the context of the bet I have developed and now knowing its characteristics after a robust sample of live data ( 100,000 spins), it is sensible when flat staking to take profit at +8 units or more, and +15 or more using the sensible seven step Whittacker Progression and taking a stop loss at 21 units if the bet for an eighth step is required.
I can also advise that if you wait for an adverse correction ( ie 8 or more) then in +97% of sequences after when playing for say 7 outcomes, then success will follow.
Furtyer bya pplying the moving averages which I have elsewhere referred to as XX and YY, then bet efficiency can increase by a further +30%.
This means +5% edge becomes +6.7% edge.
Best XXVV
There are further refinements which can be added.
I have reviewed 30,000 live spins from the casino where I am now based and as these were played by me over the past2-3 years I trust the data and the recording and it is tested session by session - note not added seamlessly.
By analysis of these results asking key questions I look at distribution curves of data and can heuristically arrive at most efficient bet parameters in fine tuning for extra percentage points.
One way for example is that in flat staking the reverse bet I have found that the most efficient place to stop and take profit is after 3.27 consecutive wins, thus achieving an average +6 units.
In other words quit at +5
Then re-set and re-start after a pause.
Work at (eventually) higher value units to make your efforts really pay off at all levels.
R
XXVV
With ongoing live play testing of sessions of 100 spins, I have found no situation that was a waring that we were on the wrong track here.
Keep playing flat and even if you land in a hole it will relatively quickly be repaired. This can be accelerated if you time your entry and exit with more care. You cant get it always right but I have found remarkable and consistent profits with this approach.
If you would like to comment or add to my research please feel free to PM me.
Best XXVV
Will be updating soon on current play and including some new research ideas.
Here are a few ideas that you can research to develop worthwhile new bets.
There are short, medium and long cycle trends that can be observed and tuned into.
As discussed before short clusters of a winning finale (say in groups of three) can be 'read'.
Likewise there are 37 numbers in the single zero wheel so cycles of 36+ spins can be investigated.
There are some 'triggers' for betting these that are more effective. You can research through trial and error on big sample testing, ie more than 20,000 spins.
We have found some that are relatively consistently successful. A hint here is that the original trigger target must make a strong 'impact'. Like a ripple in a pond it will have wavelike consequences.
This is a serious level of work.
I call it 'wave theory'.
Also on a simpler but nevertheless still effective basis, you can play to 'follow the dominant' in short cycles, such as dominant red or even. To assemble a +5 unit haul may be all you need in a mini session.
In reverse bet theory I have found obtaining +5 units in a sequence is the most efficient outcome. Lots of nibbles like that really add up. Say in 10 sessions you obtained 8 outcomes averaging +5 and then 2 were at zero or -1 outcomes. This would be a wonderful strategy.
The most I have obtained in a swing win cycle is +20 units flat staking on reverse bets. In a losing sequence it usually does not get much worse, but I cover for 30 units just in case. But best to exit before any big descent and climb on board for the inevitable positive correction. In these you can easily grab +5 or more.
Most important of all is to find the 'bet characteristics', and relative 'volatility' of your new bet.
You need a 'smarter' bet.
In the above is compressed 18 months of latest research and very successful work.
Good Hunting XXVV
I will be posting some news very soon and commenting on latest results and ideas. It is all very positive and increasingly is a synthesis, a blending, of the sum of knowledge from 20 years of roulette.
Best XXVV
Look forward to your post XXVV.
Always interesting to see what the XXXXV is up to,, good luck
Mmmmm.... Where do I start!
This has been a fantastic and crazy period of personal experiences and I can say that the outcomes of random roulette working within the table parameters present opportunities and clarity far simpler than some of the random events of Nature or the Markets.
I will post some thoughts soon which will illustrate this statement but first let me give an example from a live session the other afternoon.
I use the live casino ( boutique scale - usually quiet and calm within) as therapy for the craziness of life 'outside'. lol ....
Here we go. I put $10 ( 10 units into a rapid roulette screen - live dealer).
That +10 became +105 so I cashed out.
There was another opportunity in zero section staking and within three further short 3-5 spin sessions - hit and run- the original +10 became +235.
So I watched a $2 unit table and a change of dealer.
I climbed on board a sniff of zero and 3 numbers either side.
Here were the outcomes...
10
0
6
0
34
0
25
32
17
35
0
Now thats about as friendly as you can wish for in penultimate cycle bets.
So +10 became +450.
I took profit and on an original table retreated -75, so cut and ran.
Sometimes if you have seen previous cycle patterns you can just wait for them to show and climb on.
My two favourites are...
0 to 34 and neighbours
13 to 31 and neighbours.
Sometimes it just resonates, and when it does hit it hard!
More soon and back to reverse bet theory as well.
Best
XXVV
Here is a sequence I played last night at the boutique casino.
14
14
27
28
32
11
35
14
32
18
28
32
29
33
5
26
36
34
26
36
9
30
3
8
27
4
15
1
3
8
21
2
28
11
13
15
13
30
35
11
5
22
17
3
3
0
3
14
35
0
0
1
26
5
3
24
34
------
This is an example of a platinum opportunity.
All that is required is the patience to wait for events/ circumstances like this to roll around.
Randomness will provide these events often.
As a hint look at the relation of 28 and 32
and also the events 3 and 8.
Note that the warm to hot numbers over the 200 spin range before and during this passage :
17 32 0 6
Note the relationship of my favourite Zero (or neighbours) to 34 ( or neighbours).
Note the extraordinary clustering around Zero
I have provided other hints.
Good Hunting.
XXVV
Further to the recent post, some other detail....
Time and time again while watching there can be extraordinary little patterns which are facets of the random behaviour we witness.
For example the tendency for 23 to 32 and vice versa
The extraordinary 13 to 31 and even 12 to 21.
Also the formidable 0 to 34.
As earlier stated these little opportunities can be direct or with neighbours and yes probably if monitored ad infinitum would simply reveal a 1:37 ratio. Nevertheless in the short term they cluster and when running warm to hot are very opportunistic.
This is not a winning method but simply and importantly another trigger when the time is right.
Its all about timing. lol !!!
XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Mar 14, 12:09 AM 2012
There are further refinements which can be added.
I have reviewed 30,000 live spins from the casino where I am now based and as these were played by me over the past2-3 years I trust the data and the recording and it is tested session by session - note not added seamlessly.
By analysis of these results asking key questions I look at distribution curves of data and can heuristically arrive at most efficient bet parameters in fine tuning for extra percentage points.
One way for example is that in flat staking the reverse bet I have found that the most efficient place to stop and take profit is after 3.27 consecutive wins, thus achieving an average +6 units.
In other words quit at +5
Then re-set and re-start after a pause.
Work at (eventually) higher value units to make your efforts really pay off at all levels.
R
XXVV
Beautiful thread XXVV. If only we could transplant this common sense into the minds of more players.
Thanks
I really do appreciate that JL referenced my earlier comments.
I can say some months down the track that the RB bet played flat staking and aiming for a +5 strike is a conservative and efficient way to play professionally.
With other methods where I have tried to be too clever on inside betting there can be nasty adverse runs because I have tried to be too specific.
A generic bet covering a dozen outcomes is sufficiently loose and forgiving and you can achieve a more consistent and safer edge.
You can gradually build up unit values based on accumulated profits.
Modest gains and patience is a formula for beating roulette.
More detail soon - this is designed to whet the appetite for what is to come.
Bon Appetit! XXVV
You are a great chef XXVV :)
Recall that the RB can be applied to both dozens and columns.
Sometimes these can cross target when say a mid dozen combines with a mid column and we target 14, 17, 20, 23.
I had a stunning game yesterday ( I was too weary to play it as well as I should have) where these central column targets also co -related with what I term A streets, ie streets 1-3, 13-15, 25-27. all in second and third dozens.
So for 20 spins there was a 'tendency toward' 14 and 26.
These numbers appeared as a hot streak (with occasional neighbour).
Such is the way with Roulette - there are times when a grouping clusters and can provide literally the opportunity to make thousands in profit when you are alert to it.
I mentioned my weary state as it had been a very long session and I was taking in a lot of data but my fitness was not as it should have been to take full advantage. After a meal and time to digest, I returned to the same table and identified 5 or 16 as potential cross hair targets. 5 came up immediately and doubled!
It is a major topic just how you manage your attention and intelligence.
Best
XXVV
Hello XXVV!
Interesting post. I had been looking into 1 dozen and 1 column betting, called it 1D1C.
I believe it is important for players to test their "intuitive" betting, not applying specific systems. I don't think many players do, if any?? Flat betting only, maybe a progression but more risky. Its a lot of fun. I myself have not tested a lot but when I did you can get into a flow. On RNG I would click and observe the number board and place bets at certain points based on the fluctuations of R/B.
Is it then just luck?
As stated, 'Luck (fortuna) favours the prepared mind!'
On that basis to be in a ready state with a growing confidence (but not over-confidence) is imperative, and to be able to read opportunities and then apply your bet attack, having understood the characteristics of your bet through exhaustive testing ( +20,000 live spins if possible), flat staking where possible - this will provide a tendency toward an edge over the house to neutralise their advantages.
Remember one great advantage we have is to stop and start at will.
Avoid the adverse passages and ideally climb on when your bet is moving into the desired zone.
Sounds easy, and that is actually the easiest bit.
The hard part is managing your own nature, and learning to self control through massive trial and error. If it takes 50,000 spins to demonstrate your bet characteristic, think how many spins it takes to learn to master your emotions, intelligence, and personality traits - some of which may yet be undeveloped and immature. Our worst immaturities may actually be invisible to us, and these 'black holes' will require the assistance of a trusted friend in order to be made visible and dealt with.
The touchy subject of ability to handle compulsive tendencies is a major one for any player in the markets or tables, where judgment calls are critical.
I will state repeatedly that it is essential to limit your exposure until you grow in strength and self knowledge and self control, in order to learn to become a successful professional.
In such work a small team, or trusted friends, used in suitable ways, can be valuable.
Hope this assists.
XXVV
Great post XXVV, thank you.
I agree, by acknowledgeding our character traits we move to a higher level.
Ironically, this might be the only way to move to a higher level :)
At least for me at the moment........
Yes amk
I view Roulette as a Matrix which although simpler ( fewer variables) than the complexities of Nature, is nevertheless a microcosm of the World.
The application of self knowledge and appropriate humility are useful disciplines in approaching professional play. They represent two from a catalogue that goes for many pages....
I still believe it is one of the hardest calls to state that 'I want to be a professional in this discipline of roulette'. It operates on so very many levels. But the term 'professional', elsewhere so well defined, is totally applicable, although in this case dealing with random outcomes generated within a set of parameters that usually consist of 37 variables.
I have noticed that some local casinos are slipping in a second zero amongst the Euro wheel set out in order to extract a little more edge over the punters. Their application is often at the lower value denominations and falsely rationalise their move that it is subsidising 'cheap' play. Just another trap, like showing "data" on the screens which can be easily misunderstood. All traps for the unwary.
Back to' the professional 'approach. In my other life it has taken many years of study and application to be able to synthesise and handle architecture. At this stage I have only scratched the surface but I do know the best give total dedication and passion to their quest, and that is lifelong. In fact if the truth be known, it is many lifetimes.
Thus in roulette, where we are frequently flung as many curved balls as an Ace Pitcher for the NY Yankees, how we handle challenges is the question.
Just as in Life, how do you handle your powerful emotions, or setbacks or failures.
The best motivational speakers or teachers or pastors can give us answers here and I listen to as much advice as possible. In fact increasingly so.
As they say, when the student is ready, he/ she listens......
Hope this assists,
Off to the table now....
Best XXVV
Greetings
Much has unfolded in recent weeks, in response to some of the ideas and words I have recently used. Words do have such power.
One such word is 'matrix' and this subject has taken totally unexpected directions thanks to the work now being conducted with some of my close colleagues, and applied to professional roulette play.
I am unable to go into great detail at this stage but the steps we are taking are quite extraordinary and actually enable a Quantum level of observation to a bigger picture in such a way that real energy is experienced, as the term matrix implies in some ordered format.
Apply this to the relatively fixed variables of roulette and the implications are extremely exciting.
In essence what I have been seeking, at all levels, is to find methodology/ technique/ discipline to achieve greater efficiency and effectiveness in professional play.
I will be able to go into more detail in steps in due course.
In the meantime, good hunting!
Best
XXVV
Ahhh.... those fresh clear waters Beyond Common Sense!
Trying to break out of some self imposed shackles now. And will be listing some key principles with short explanations that make up my equation for success.
One of the first will be any ever greater ability to accurately 'read the game'.
Then to apply a bet but know its characteristics after massive prior real testing ( not random.org). Must be live real data.
Make and engineer an ever more efficient and effective bet.
Set the bet traps to catch your target within appropriate limits. More on this soon.
It is so exciting and the good news is that this roulette 'challenge' is really a gift and can and should be most often taken with the right attitude. It is free positive money and as such free money should be used to access it. This requires detachment. More on this soon.
Goal is a compounding daily average return of +10% per day! Based on you risk bank exposure. Compounding.
Too ambitious? Why no!
More soon. XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Oct 09, 02:20 AM 2012
Ahhh.... those fresh clear waters Beyond Common Sense!
Trying to break out of some self imposed shackles now. And will be listing some key principles with short explanations that make up my equation for success.
One of the first will be any ever greater ability to accurately 'read the game'.
Then to apply a bet but know its characteristics after massive prior real testing ( not random.org). Must be live real data.
Make and engineer an ever more efficient and effective bet.
Set the bet traps to catch your target within appropriate limits. More on this soon.
It is so exciting and the good news is that this roulette 'challenge' is really a gift and can and should be most often taken with the right attitude. It is free positive money and as such free money should be used to access it. This requires detachment. More on this soon.
Goal is a compounding daily average return of +10% per day! Based on you risk bank exposure. Compounding.
Too ambitious? Why no!
More soon. XXVV
Hello XXVV, I totally agree about favouring live or at least a real RNG over random.org. There is something not right about the kind of patterns and runs it produces. One method I have been working on of late. To be called 8 on 1. Is based around what I believe is a virtual limit of random. Its inability to string together 8 gaps of 4 on a single dozen. Example below. This may be be one of the most playable virtual limits we will ever find. Most of the time random cannot even show us 4 of these before it has to develope to a longer gap of 5 or more. And I am already testing real and on the BV rng with great success.
-----DOZEN 1
-----03
-----22
-----31
-----33
-----12----FIRST 4 GAP
-----23
-----23
-----36
-----07----SECOND 4 GAP
-----00
-----21
-----27
-----11----THIRD 4 GAP
-----20
-----24
-----30
-----03----FOURTH 4 GAP
-----29
-----28
-----19
-----08----FIFTH 4 GAP--------------COMMON LIMIT
-----18
-----35
-----18
-----05----SIXTH 4 GAP
-----26
-----25
-----32
-----10----SEVENTH 4 GAP
-----15
-----33
-----24
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Most games never go beyond the fifth consecutive 4 gap.live and at BV I have never encountered anything beyond six consecutive 4 gaps. And this is holding with uncanny consistency. I just thought I would share my latest work With you XXVV. Maybe some food for thought.
Highest regards JL...
Thanks JL this is most exciting.
You know we can soon probably list a few very special methods and view them as a wonderful arsenal from which to select the best and most appropriate to use on the current opportunities presented for us in our reading of the game live spin outcomes.
Lets include the best of your works, and this latest method; then we have the remarkable D+C ( and I play it in its reversed form- the Reverse Bet); Mr Flatino's latest work which I am advised has wonderful results; and then an array of my own favourites - some of which I have to maintain secrecy upon because it is a colleague's special insight; and some that use finales clusters or table street patterns or wheel section patterns ( all short term opportunities).
The choice of which method to use will also be influenced by available resources, time, and the goal that we seek in return profit.
The general advice fron Kanzen, and others, to get in and out as quickly as possible, is very valuable. I call it accrual from mini-sessions.
Also to remember the big overall aim. You are running your own banking operation. Why do anything to undermine the massive and worthy goal of compounding interest.
A certain detachment is thus essential.
See the big picture and compound daily. Acknowledge there will be occasional small setbacks but generally the way forward is clear and the compounding operation can achieve what I believe to be +10% of your risk bank daily ( average gain), by playing say no more than 3 mini sessions per day.
Set the bar high! Why not and create, then re-distribute free positive money. But is has to be free and postive to begin with. It cannot be money that should be used for other priorities. Thus a lot of planning, preparing and management will be required to get the seed capital free positive money fund underway.
That is what I am doing now.
Quote from: XXVV on Oct 09, 04:33 PM 2012
Thanks JL this is most exciting.
You know we can soon probably list a few very special methods and view them as a wonderful arsenal from which to select the best and most appropriate to use on the current opportunities presented for us in our reading of the game live spin outcomes.
Lets include the best of your works, and this latest method; then we have the remarkable D+C ( and I play it in its reversed form- the Reverse Bet); Mr F_LAT_INO's latest work which I am advised has wonderful results; and then an array of my own favourites - some of which I have to maintain secrecy upon because it is a colleague's special insight; and some that use finales clusters or table street patterns or wheel section patterns ( all short term opportunities).
The choice of which method to use will also be influenced by available resources, time, and the goal that we seek in return profit.
The general advice fron Kanzen, and others, to get in and out as quickly as possible, is very valuable. I call it accrual from mini-sessions.
Also to remember the big overall aim. You are running your own banking operation. Why do anything to undermine the massive and worthy goal of compounding interest.
A certain detachment is thus essential.
See the big picture and compound daily. Acknowledge there will be occasional small setbacks but generally the way forward is clear and the compounding operation can achieve what I believe to be +10% of your risk bank daily ( average gain), by playing say no more than 3 mini sessions per day.
Set the bar high! Why not and create, then re-distribute free positive money. But is has to be free and postive to begin with. It cannot be money that should be used for other priorities. Thus a lot of planning, preparing and management will be required to get the seed capital free positive money fund underway.
That is what I am doing now.
What I have aimed for over the last few years is 5---10% increase on Bankroll. Compounded with growth per week. Or 1% per session.This doesn't seem like much. But once your BR grows to a substantial amount. 1% could be more than most people earn in a day. And as you say all players must be prepared for minor setbacks. But overall continued growth is achieveable with the right method/s and mindset.
Short sessions are always favourable. I could play more and longer. But the passage of time has shown me to never leave the door open on randoms ebb and flow too long. This attitude has never failed me. Many will say if you know you can win, why not play for much longer and reap greater daily rewards??. The anwser will be, that's why I know I can win. I am not there the vast majority of the time when random is showing what I don't want to see. That is the golden rule.
Fair enough and sound advice JL. Thanks for your contributions. Golden Rules are a very good and truthful expression.
On another thread I recently commented that profit draw-downs from casinos, particularly B+M casinos, should not exceed $10,000.
This is a really subjective statement and actually varies according to context.
Recent casino developments in Macao, Melbourne, and now Auckland ( all closer to home for me) have demonstrated the massive growth in tourist dollars and high rolling imported customers from China. These arrive by the planeload and are a by product of the 7% plus annual growth, and massive growth in wealth in China.
Main game for these 'whales' is baccarat, but roulette does feature.
I am advised that the average hand in baccarat at these private tables which may actually be at say level 27 or 39, in high roller suites within the hotel complex associated with the casino ( eg Crowne in Melbourne), is a bold $150,000.
In such context the casino will be happy to pay out 'big', but only on the basis they will get quite a tidy sum back. Of course in baccarat they merely 'host ' and take a cut, like poker.
So my suggestion is that if in such a regular travelling party, and the baccarat technique is sound, the occasional foray into big roulette can be very profitable with wins plus 10 x my previous statement being quite acceptable. But I still believe it needs to be very carefully managed and put into proportion of the context of 'churn' amounts.
I have a special colleague who has a brilliant strategy to combine baccarat and roulette, Ratio is 80/20 funnily enough and he always bets Player. Short bursts at successful roulette fuel this engine of 'perpetual motion'. More on that at a later date.
A fascinating and pleasing study when dealing with such big sums.
A few days in that context could supply a year's income. Just like the top 50 in World Golf ratings.
Its all an aspect of professional studies.
Soon I want to do some roulette writing on methods that fly out of the ordinary, and are certainly beyond common sense.
XXVV
Quote from: XXVV on Nov 25, 07:34 PM 2012
I am advised that the average hand in baccarat at these private tables which may actually be at say level 27 or 39, in high roller suites
If you could take a moment & explain what these levels mean that would be great appreciated :thumbsup:
O0
Quote from: XXVV on Nov 25, 07:34 PM 2012
On another thread I recently commented that profit draw-downs from casinos, particularly B+M casinos, should not exceed $10,000.
Dear Sir
the amount $10,000 profit you are suggesting for per day or per week to stay under the casino radar? i never heard crown casino banned anyone for winning regularly. please provide few more tips if this is true.
thanks
catalyst
Quote from: ddarko on Nov 25, 08:55 PM 2012
If you could take a moment & explain what these levels mean that would be great appreciated :thumbsup:
O0
level means floor in crown casino complex. yes, chinese are exploding in crown casino.
thanks catalyst :thumbsup: I thought he was suggesting a certain lvl of winning as in lvl 29 = 8,000 lvl 39 = 12,0000 etc etc
O0
@catalyst
thanks for clarifications on semantics....
I am sure Crowne Casino has experienced massive payouts/ losses at times when hosting blackjack with one notorious Australian whale now deceased. He was a very generous tipper. But he also claimed ( after one near death experience) that there was no light at the end of the tunnel. Clearly he didnt go far enough - lol.
I am not intimating at all that Crowne Casino hesitates to payout regularly to qualifying legitimate customers but that larger amounts of cash chips when bought or cashed in do attract scrutiny and over the $10K level will be red flagged for potential money laundering. Such levels seem petty and out of touch in the context of and compared to this increasing and new massive level of tourism. However in passing through Customs any cash greater than $10K has to be declared. In our world of electronic transfers the banking scrutiny grows, and the gaps between the rich and the poor also grow unfortunately.
As an aside, BBC World has just conducted a brilliant series of interviews and seminars exploring world poverty and what can be done to reverse these trending gaps.
My comment on live play as a frequent player and regular customer is to keep it relatively simple.
The handling of very large cash/ credit and electronic transfers is a specialised and fascinating aspect of gaming host responsibility. More on this later.
Cheers
XXVV
Want to put this thread back on track rather than being too specific regarding the high roller activities by the noveau riche in our new world. There is a lot of gaming activity and a growing activity amongst the newly empowered economies of east asia and pacific rim.
Hence massive new developments in Macau, Australia and Vietnam, Phillippines.
Re-distribution of wealth is a vast subject and that journey is just beginning.
Back now to 'Beyond Common-Sense' and a look at approaching research and roulette theory, beyond previously conceived limits.
Look at techniques to 'focus' our thoughts and concentrate on desired outcomes, rather than being passive 'victims' of supposedly random action , within say a casino environment.
Lets be clear, to step away from chaotic 'free markets' to the relatively stable and controlled casino environment helps both the player and the casino operator.
Win-win situations are entirely possible.
Look at Baccarat or Poker. The House takes a cut for hosting. Some players win big and many participate at various levels of success and knowledge. Skill, fortune and timing and other variables play a part but the odds are known. The best instantly adjust their behaviour taking such knowledge into account.
With roulette, in my view, the journey is only just beginning in terms of understanding and opportunity.
But again, the player can be comforted, that playing in a transparent, legal casino environment, the odds are known and from time to time can tip in his favour. Timing is everything, but short term trend analysis and decisive and intelligent action can be extremely rewarding.
In all my threads in the coming months I will be writing on ways that can enable us to all benefit with more knowledge and understanding of roulette.
Best
XXVV
As you may see I am endeavouring to weave together some of various threads it has been my great good fortune to be able to write over the past few years.
Some great leaps forward have been made and another natural metaphor I can use is that of a river flowing from its various sources and starting to form together in a highly energised and increasingly driven force that will lead to larger pooling of resources and growing understanding of the subject - the study of roulette.
This is moving way beyond 'common sense' but we have sprung from a sound foundation and that is the role of that thread to explore what works and what does not.
Along with the family of threads we will continue to expand laterally, and in other directions, to challenge previous ways of seeing this game, and dig below the surface as well as take fresh overviews.
Soon time to start becoming concrete and specific again so will be nominating some processes, techniques and bets we can utilise.
There are some exciting challenges/ opportunities about to open. The new web site is operating and we are experimenting with new ways of looking at and exploring our world, so that testing is underway and the journey applying quantum thought has begun. We are way beyond common sense, but we want to harness this knowledge and power to assist out best selection and application. That's a very tough call.
Sorry for delay in writing on here but have been travelling and working on the international roulette research. More next week.