I didn't make this system up. It was given to me. The story's almost too unbelievable to share with you guys, but at the risk of being called a bald faced liar, I will.
Last week, I was down at the local casino owned by the Tohono O'odam Indian Tribe here in Pima County, Arizona. I was trying to play my ROL vs BEH system for some fun. As you may remember, there's a lot of tracking, so I was pretty engrossed in my work most of the time. I would take a breather everytime I won 5 units. Sometimes not so many breathers. But, today was a good day.
The table has 6 locations to place your bets at and there were 3-5 people playing most of the time. I had gotten off work early because of a monsoon cloud burst that shut our roadway striping project down at about 11 AM. I noticed an Indian fella playing roulette who looked like he was old enough to be Geronimo's great grandfather.
He was a couple of seats away from me and had pen and paper and was keeping track of each spin and every now and then he would make a bet. During my breather times, I would watch him to see if I could figure out what he was doing. I could tell that he was tracking a lot and betting not so often, but having a pretty good run of luck. He reminded me of F_LAT_INO. Didn't look up from his station even once as if he were the only person in the casino. I wanted to ask him what he was doing, but thoughts of the guy who went beserk on the airball machine at Flat's local casino popped into my mind, so I kept quiet.
He had finally won all he wanted and retrieved his ticket and was getting ready to go to the Cashier's window. I ventured to ask him if he came there often. He hadn't gotten up yet and swung his chair toward me with a big grin on his face. "Every day! He said. I've seen you here before too young man", he said. Sometimes I play poker, but every day I play roulette."
I mentioned that I had noticed him doing a lot of tracking but hadn't quite figured out exactly what he was doing. His answer, "Winning!" With that he let out big whoop, swung around and headed for the cashier's window. I wasn't going to let him get away with that kind of answer so I scurried along right behind him and asked if he would mind telling me his system, or at least give me the main idea if not all the details.
This is the system he gave me. And mind you, he gave it to me as we walked throught the casino. He said that he only played the even chances. I named it after him. It's the least I could do. He told me what he called it, but it was pure dee Indian and there's no way I can say it much less spell it.
He said he only made 1 bet for each trigger. He bet $10 units. His win target was 5 units. Sometimes he left the casino and other times he went to play some poker.
I asked how often he won his 5 units. He said almost every time. He said that this was his 25th time in a row to win his 5 units. He gave some other stats. I started wondering if he were JL's grandfather, but decided that would be to big a stretch. He brings $200 to the casino. Not just for roulette, but also for his poker game.
Since it was shortly after noon, I asked him if he had eaten. "No." he replied. So I asked him if I could buy him lunch at the buffet. He looked to me like he hadn't eaten in about a week. He said that he would be glad to take me up on that offer.
I won't bore you with the details of how he had been in the Marines during WWII and while overseas he had become friends with a buddy who loved to gamble. His buddy taught him to play poker and he eventually learned to play roulette. He devised this system himself after spending two weeks in the desert eating peyote and communing with his ancestors.
Alright. Let's get on with the syste. We’re looking for a series of spins without 3 repeats in a row. It is based on the idea that streaks are pretty common so when we don't run into one within a certain number of spins, you can start betting that chops have had center stage long enough and it's about time for some streaking.
I’ll explain the system using Red/Black. We track until we have 10 spins without 3 of the same color in a row. We can have any combination of singles and doubles in a row, but no triples.
Once we reach our 10the spin, we bet 1 unit that the 11th spin will be the same color as the 10the. This is all Hector, my Indian friend's name, bets. But, I like progressions so if we lose this 1st bet, we bet 1 unit that the 12the spin will be the same color as the 11the spin. If we lose, we stop betting and wait for another opportunity. We continue our progression at the next betting opportunity.
We’ll use the penthouse progression for even chances.
1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9 etc…
Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win. Any time we’re ahead, start over on the progression.
Here are the other bet locations.
Double dozens or double columns: Track until 5 spins pass without a double dozen or double column winning 3 times in a row. Just keep track of the last 2 dozens or columns to hit. Or you can bet the 2 dozens or columns other than the last 1 to hit. Or, the most recent and the furthest to hit. You decide how to select the double dozens.
Then bet 1 time for the next spin to repeat.
Use a penthouse type progression here also.
1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9 etc…
Move 2 steps to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win.
Dozens or Columns: Track until 15 spins w/o a 3peat. Bet 3 times for a repeat of the last dozen to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-5 etc… Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 2 steps to the left on a win.
Lines: Track until 30 spins w/o a 3peat. Bet 6 times for a repeat of the last Line to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4 etc… Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 5 steps to the left on a win.
Streets: Track until 60 spins w/o a 3peat. Bet 12 times for a repeat of the last Street to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4 etc… Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 11 steps to the left on a win.
There you go. It cost me a $20 meal. I expect to get my money back and then some.
Hope you enjoy the game.
Hector, I mean George
Thanks for sharing this with us dear George!! :thumbsup:
May it keep going strong (Long and prosper).
P.S. Loved his answer: 'Winning!'... ah! Priceless to experience these folks face to face!
Thanks for the thumbs up my friend. Vaya con Dios, amigo. Blessings to you and your family as well.
I would like to add that when Hector said he came up with this system while taking peyote and communing with his ancestors in the desert, he gave a little wink. I'm not sure what he intended me to think. Maybe he was just joking with me since a lot of stories involve the Indians and their ceremonies where they use peyote, mushrooms, mescaline and other psychadelics. Having a little fun with the Gringo maybe. Or who knows? It may have been exactly what happened.
One thing I will say is that I've run across some interesting people at these Indian Casinos.
Grab a list of old spins and look down them and see how this system does. It's not so hard to test. Before you call Hector a liar about his winning streaks, you would have to try this with a flatbet.
There's one other principle I forgot to mention. He said he keeps an eye on how many doubles there are in the 10 spins. If there are 3 or more doubles, he usually passes that bet even if there are no 3peats. Think about it. It makes sense to me. Especially if you're flat betting a decent unit size.
If things are going well, he says he will take a chance even with 3 doubles. It's a judgement call. Darn. That must mean we have to get a real sense for the system. That may be the decision that gives us that little edge.
GLC
George
Not only do I like the idea but you are a darn good writer.
Thanks for that!
Sam
Couldn't wait for trying it! Put a cent on LOW and let autospin run 10 times. Got 10 BLACK.
did it again, got 6 RED and 4 BLACK and both three in a row. Thinking of provoking the wheel, so I started a parlay on RED using 1 cent. Yes the chopping starts and I got the opportunity to try.
Put 5 Euro, miss the first, then hitting three times in a row. I reduce the stake to 0.5 the next spin and lose it.
I will remember the system, and try it now and then, when it is chopping.
The funny thing with system built on history, is they can work for a long time, and at the end you find out, it had its time, and start to lose for a long period. If you drop it say for six month, things can run smooth again, for a while.
Thanks for sharing GLC!
Just a couple of questions here, if Hector bet wins on the 11th spin, does he bet again on the 12th?
Also Hector flat bet right?
Hello George,
Nice story and the way of playing the "system" is also good.
I use this system so now and than the last 3 years in the Rotterdam Casino...with good results.
Played it last night with good results â,¬ 7800,- up , so I will take it easy at the dutch beach today.
Greetings
John Rotterdam
Quote from: GLC on Jul 21, 11:37 PM 2012
I didn't make this system up. It was given to me. The story's almost too unbelievable to share with you guys, but at the risk of being called a bald faced liar, I will.
Last week, I was down at the local casino owned by the Tohono O'odam Indian Tribe here in Pima County, Arizona. I was trying to play my ROL vs BEH system for some fun. As you may remember, there's a lot of tracking, so I was pretty engrossed in my work most of the time. I would take a breather everytime I won 5 units. Sometimes not so many breathers. But, today was a good day.
The table has 6 locations to place your bets at and there were 3-5 people playing most of the time. I had gotten off work early because of a monsoon cloud burst that shut our roadway striping project down at about 11 AM. I noticed an Indian fella playing roulette who looked like he was old enough to be Geronimo's great grandfather.
He was a couple of seats away from me and had pen and paper and was keeping track of each spin and every now and then he would make a bet. During my breather times, I would watch him to see if I could figure out what he was doing. I could tell that he was tracking a lot and betting not so often, but having a pretty good run of luck. He reminded me of F_LAT_INO. Didn't look up from his station even once as if he were the only person in the casino. I wanted to ask him what he was doing, but thoughts of the guy who went beserk on the airball machine at Flat's local casino popped into my mind, so I kept quiet.
He had finally won all he wanted and retrieved his ticket and was getting ready to go to the Cashier's window. I ventured to ask him if he came there often. He hadn't gotten up yet and swung his chair toward me with a big grin on his face. "Every day! He said. I've seen you here before too young man", he said. Sometimes I play poker, but every day I play roulette."
I mentioned that I had noticed him doing a lot of tracking but hadn't quite figured out exactly what he was doing. His answer, "Winning!" With that he let out big whoop, swung around and headed for the cashier's window. I wasn't going to let him get away with that kind of answer so I scurried along right behind him and asked if he would mind telling me his system, or at least give me the main idea if not all the details.
This is the system he gave me. And mind you, he gave it to me as we walked throught the casino. He said that he only played the even chances. I named it after him. It's the least I could do. He told me what he called it, but it was pure dee Indian and there's no way I can say it much less spell it.
He said he only made 1 bet for each trigger. He bet $10 units. His win target was 5 units. Sometimes he left the casino and other times he went to play some poker.
I asked how often he won his 5 units. He said almost every time. He said that this was his 25th time in a row to win his 5 units. He gave some other stats. I started wondering if he were JL's grandfather, but decided that would be to big a stretch. He brings $200 to the casino. Not just for roulette, but also for his poker game.
Since it was shortly after noon, I asked him if he had eaten. "No." he replied. So I asked him if I could buy him lunch at the buffet. He looked to me like he hadn't eaten in about a week. He said that he would be glad to take me up on that offer.
I won't bore you with the details of how he had been in the Marines during WWII and while overseas he had become friends with a buddy who loved to gamble. His buddy taught him to play poker and he eventually learned to play roulette. He devised this system himself after spending two weeks in the desert eating peyote and communing with his ancestors.
Alright. Let's get on with the syste. We’re looking for a series of spins without 3 repeats in a row. It is based on the idea that streaks are pretty common so when we don't run into one within a certain number of spins, you can start betting that chops have had center stage long enough and it's about time for some streaking.
I’ll explain the system using Red/Black. We track until we have 10 spins without 3 of the same color in a row. We can have any combination of singles and doubles in a row, but no triples.
Once we reach our 10the spin, we bet 1 unit that the 11th spin will be the same color as the 10the. This is all Hector, my Indian friend's name, bets. But, I like progressions so if we lose this 1st bet, we bet 1 unit that the 12the spin will be the same color as the 11the spin. If we lose, we stop betting and wait for another opportunity. We continue our progression at the next betting opportunity.
We’ll use the penthouse progression for even chances.
1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9 etc…
Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win. Any time we’re ahead, start over on the progression.
Here are the other bet locations.
Double dozens or double columns: Track until 5 spins pass without a double dozen or double column winning 3 times in a row. Just keep track of the last 2 dozens or columns to hit. Or you can bet the 2 dozens or columns other than the last 1 to hit. Or, the most recent and the furthest to hit. You decide how to select the double dozens.
Then bet 1 time for the next spin to repeat.
Use a penthouse type progression here also.
1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9 etc…
Move 2 steps to the right on a loss and 1 step to the left on a win.
Dozens or Columns: Track until 15 spins w/o a 3peat. Bet 3 times for a repeat of the last dozen to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-5 etc… Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 2 steps to the left on a win.
Lines: Track until 30 spins w/o a 3peat. Bet 6 times for a repeat of the last Line to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4 etc… Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 5 steps to the left on a win.
Streets: Track until 60 spins w/o a 3peat. Bet 12 times for a repeat of the last Street to spin.
Progression: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4 etc… Move 1 step to the right on a loss and 11 steps to the left on a win.
There you go. It cost me a $20 meal. I expect to get my money back and then some.
Hope you enjoy the game.
Hector, I mean George
@ginger
can you explain us how you play on even chance
wich bankroll
witch progression with an exemple thanl a lot
how you play this sequence
| 30 |
| 6 |
| 21 |
| 11 |
| 35 |
| 19 |
| 22 |
| 3 |
| 33 |
| 33 |
| 3 |
| 10 |
| 3 |
| 21 |
| 31 |
| 18 |
| 15 |
| 4 |
| 7 |
| 6 |
| 30 |
| 3 |
| 10 |
| 2 |
| 11 |
| 6 |
| 27 |
| 20 |
| 9 |
| 15 |
The other way to exploit the fact that series are sort of due to happen is to play FTL after longer sequence of chops or doubles. Im not so sure about this 10th spin. I like Guetting progression with that. It produces good results when series happen. Its coded in Rx but only with bet selection of one EC. And played this way it mostly delivers.
I use to plat Guetting as well, its cut a bit if you play it so you end it with two losses, but on the other hand its the only way to try to continue, very often just one chop and then the run goes a few more steps.
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I understand everything and thanks for a very well written topic.
Now let me show you how similiar it is towards Marigny.
Lets assume singles has the value of 1 and series of 2 has the value of 0 and series of three the value of 1.
Now each time you get a large strings of singles and series of two the standard divition grow and get stronger - imbalance.
Now as there is as much as singles as there is series so are higher series due or sleeping or underrepresented each time you get a long string of singles and series of two.
Marigny caculate singles and series of two to hit 3.00 standard divsion before he attacks for larger series.
But he does not attack direct - he first wait for present correction before attacking.
Conclusion is that your new friend pin point out a smaller state of imbalance and bet for small tiny draw downs of corrections toward higher series to shape.
The only thing wrong with your friends picture is that he should not caculate 10 trails with out a trippel - he should caculate 10 events.
Each single is one event and each serie is one event.
I have not test this but run some short sampels.
This is how they look like.
2
2
2
1 1
2 2
1
1 3
2
1 4
2 5
2 6
1
1 7
2
1 8
2 9
2
2 W
2 W
2 W
1
1
2 L
1
1
1 W
2
2
1
1
1 W
As you can se trippels start to chop and higher series.
2
2
2
2
1
1 1
2
1 2
2 3
2 4
1
2 5
1 6
2 7
1 8
1 9
1 W
2
2
2 W
2 W
2 W
1
2
2
2 W
1
2
1
2
2
2 W
As you can see so does trippel chop and higher series.
2
2
2
1
2 1
1 2
1 3
2
2 4
1
1 5
2
1 6
2 7
2 8
2 W
1
1
1 W
1 W
1 W
2
1
2
2
2 W
2 W
1
1
1 W
1 W
1 W
1 W
As you can see trippel chop and higher series
2
2
2
1
2 1
1 2
2 3
1 4
2 5
1 6
2 7
1 8
1 9
1 W
1 W
2
2
2 W
2 W
1
2
1
1
1 W
2
2
1 L
1
1 W
1 W
1 W
2
2
1 L
1
2 L
2
2 W
2 W
1
2
2
2 W
As you can see trippels and higher series chop.
This is the same thing to aim into a high probability area based upon math.
As the distribution is not perfect distributing first singles then series of two then series of three then series of four in that cronologic order.
So what is this about.
Well you create or look for a loop hole where one event is underrepresented - due to show.
He play with out any indication or tendency and Marigny does.
He should use events and not trails.
This is a valid working trending method.
Many thanks for a great topic.
George, are you sure this isn't "Geronimo's Grail" ......
I also agree with ego that this is a kind of Marigny.
GLC did your friend told u when he stops betting and retrack a new 10 spins cycle without 3 runs in a row?
I would not be surprised if series of 3 Ec's hit on average every 10 spins but it would be impossible to take advantage of that in just one bet :D
The issue is that you know series of three and higher series is in front of you.
But just placing bets after ten events becomes chasing them.
As i just run into one ten attempts grow into twenty.
That is why is better to use some kind of indication or tendency that they start to show and then bet that series of two would become higher series.
That is all in a nutshell.
to take advantage of deviation I would play this system in the following way:
1. wait until 10 spins where the color is not repeated 3 times (as in the original system)
2. then wait for the two virtual win in row on same color and put a bet on the third
3. If win you repeat first two processes again but next bet is be raises because it is better to play a positive progression when u exploit deviation,
If you lose wait again for the two colors in a row and putting your bet on the third but remains same bet (1 unit)
4.stop-win or lose you can use like orginal system, but its not so important so that it can be adapt to your bank
I admit that in my testings, limited as they may be, I have to bring into question his statement that he's won his $50 a day for 25 days in a row unless he also included winnings at the poker table. In our little casino, the competition can't be that great.
I didn't quiz him much because at the time it sounded pretty easy to understand and implement. I don't doubt that there could be a little bragging on his part. He struck me as the kind of guy who might stretch and embelish the truth a bit for effect. Heck, I might be that kind of guy too.
I don't really know anything else about his playing method other than what I wrote. I agree with RBH that only 1 bet is too little to take advantage of a little imbalance. I mean, talk about gambler's falacy to the max. That's why I added the progression and 2 bets. Maybe even 3 or 4 attempts would make it even better.
Ego's idea of events is worth looking at. Hector didn't seem to mean that from his brief explanation. He spent most of the time at lunch telling me about his job that he, of course, was retired from for over 10 years. Hector had to be 80+ years old. He was a dead body transporter for the tribe. When someone would die, he would go out and get the body and take it back to the morgue or funeral home depending on the situation.
As many of you may have probably heard about hispanics crossing the desert on foot without enough water to cover the long distances. Many of them die in the desert from dehydration. His job was to go and get the bodies and haul them in. Either for the Border Patrol, sheriff's dept or just a family if someone died a natural death. I thought, what an occupation?
If you can work with this system and win, good. If not C'est la vie.
I know that Atlantis has posted a couple of systems that were based on this idea of a correction of small imbalances but they didn't hold up well after intense testing.
I'm not endorsing the system. I just wanted to have the joy of posting the story. Kind of a tribute to a new acquaintance. I don't get to that casino often. So, our paths may never cross again.
George, thanks for posting this method.
Love to hear stories like this, makes the forum more interesting.
As Ego and Robeenhutt pointed out, this will eventually fail, you will run into a long series of repeats which will kill your bankroll.
However, you will have a lot of wins with this as well. Perhaps with the right casino that has $.01 minimum bets and $250 table limit you might be able to out distance that one killer run.
To assist anyone who wishes to pursue this idea, I have attached a Tracker for all 3 even chances using this method. The Tracker comes in manual mode for those who wish to enter data manually and it comes with an RNG mode for those who wish to test for 500 spins at a time.
Both are No Zero. And both have a progression that you can change so you can try any progressions you desire. Column AQ is the one to change. If you put in all 1's then you will be flat betting.
I will think about Ego's idea and see if I can adapt it to this spreadsheet.
Enjoy . . Nick
GLC,
I have been playing (practicing) a similar way for quite some time now, over 500+ sessions with a win target of +5, all FLAT betting. The rules don't need to be as rigid as this individual, it's better to be fluid. I observe the past 10-15 spins as a whole, it's the string of spins and the overall data that's important, not necessarily the very next bet. It's always a guess, but an educated guess. With practice you can become better and better, you see things that can be taken advantage of. I never have large drawdowns, when i'm not winning, i'm breaking even. That is the key, when others lose, I manage to break-even during times of chaos. When the variance shifts into my favor I win, sometimes 3,4,5 spins in a row.
Through experience and practice I know that series of 1's (singles) and 2's (doubles) cannot last forever, if I observe this situation of many 1's and 2's in 10-15 spins, I know that streaks are coming soon. The sands are shifting and you have to know when to capitalize on the change. This is basic probability, in combination with reading randomness. Through experience I also know the opposite is true, many streaks can tell you what is coming in the not so distant future. When the string is in a period of flux (many singles and a few streaks), this is true random, and you need to play for it to continue. A "true random" stream has MANY short series, with a FEW longer ones.
With practice imagine the damage you can do if you can consistently win +5 units a session? You can bet up to the table max on red or black for each spin. Flat betting is far superior than any progression when you have a superior bet selection.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 22, 02:48 PM 2012
Flat betting is far superior than any progression when you have a superior bet selection.
Agreed to the power of infinity.
I play this way when I play Bac
The better thing with Bac, than Roulette, No Zero's. If its a Tie its a Push and Money back !
Whats it like playin with 2 of the Suckers !?!?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 22, 04:25 PM 2012
I play this way when I play Bac
The better thing with Bac, than Roulette, No Zero's. If its a Tie its a Push and Money back !
what's it like playing with 2 of the Suckers !?!?
Your right, Bac has better Odds for an even chance game, however with Roulette I have 3 streams of data (H/L, R/B, O/E) and Bac I only have one (P/B). I'm finding that with more streams, I have more opportunity to win my target of +5 in a quicker amount of time. If you have a superior bet selection those two zero's are nothing more than an annoyance. You only have to 'guess' a little better than 50%, with practice it can be done on a consistent basis. Are you consistently earning positive units flat betting?
When we put a chip on RED 1ts 18 BLACK and 1 GREEN, for the individual bet zero is minor, but for the longer runs its a obstacle. On a NoZero table it is easier to survive, but still the 18 opposite on an EC are 18.
I play both flat and progression, and I got the best and the worse during progression.
Flat takes sometimes very long time. A smoth progression up on winning streak I like the best.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 22, 04:31 PM 2012
Your right, Bac has better Odds for an even chance game, however with Roulette I have 3 streams of data (H/L, R/B, O/E) and Bac I only have one (P/B). I'm finding that with more streams, I have more opportunity to win my target of +5 in a quicker amount of time. If you have a superior bet selection those two zero's are nothing more than an annoyance. You only have to 'guess' a little better than 50%, with practice it can be done on a consistent basis. Are you consistently earning positive units flat betting?
Superior Bet Selection
??
-Can you give your secrets?
In my mind only attacking in a window of high probability...
Quote from: albertojonas on Jul 22, 05:57 PM 2012
Superior Bet Selection
??
-Can you give your secrets?
In my mind only attacking in a window of high probability...
I explained what I do in the previous 2 posts. With experience and practice, the game can be turned from a game of chance to a game of skill.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 22, 06:31 PM 2012
I explained what I do in the previous 2 posts. With experience and practice, the game can be turned from a game of chance to a game of skill.
In my humble option I think it is an early statement.
Hello Roulettefan,
I play several systems when I play roulette.
Most of the time I study the last 10 numbers on the sitebord of the table and make a prediction from there, with other words I predict the future from the past.
The good thing of that is that you can check or the dealer is spinnen stable or not , if not I go to another table.
What concerning your question well the only thing I can say is ...read that part of the story ( Red & Black ) from George ( GLC ) and stick to that......don't change it .
Succes
John Rotterdam
Quote from: roulettefan on Jul 22, 06:49 AM 2012
@ginger
can you explain us how you play on even chance
wich bankroll
witch progression with an exemple thanl a lot
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 22, 02:48 PM 2012
It's always a guess, but an educated guess. With practice you can become better and better, you see things that can be taken advantage of.
Aha, a graduate from the Spike school of playing roulette. It truly is the holy grail:
* "read" the last 10-15 spins
* bet every spin
* achieve a 72% hit rate on the double zero wheel playing ECs.
The stuff of dreams... ;D
Oh, and not forgetting the most important thing -
* Never, ever, ever ever wise up a dummy. If you do say anything, keep it vague so no-one will have a clue what you're doing - "experience and practice" or "reading random". >:D
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 23, 03:08 AM 2012
Aha, a graduate from the Spike school of playing roulette. It truly is the holy grail:
* "read" the last 10-15 spins
* bet every spin
* achieve a 72% hit rate on the double zero wheel playing ECs.
The stuff of dreams... ;D
Oh, and not forgetting the most important thing -
* Never, ever, ever ever wise up a dummy. If you do say anything, keep it vague so no-one will have a clue what you're doing - "experience and practice" or "reading random". >:D
I think 72% refers to double dozens which is still excellent. :D
If we are vague or not, a HG can only be a secret if it is not used, where you play secret? You have the other players, the dealers, and the online casinos record. All play public, not secret.
Some advertising, and even publish "secret" system, which you will never find.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 23, 03:15 AM 2012
I think 72% refers to double dozens which is still excellent. :D
It DOES refer to the EC's. It was Spike's claim over at GG many moons ago.
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Jul 23, 04:05 AM 2012
It DOES refer to the ECs. It was Spike's claim over at GG many moons ago.
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I know it ;D I was just trying to make a point.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 23, 04:15 AM 2012
I know it ;D I was just trying to make a point.
My bad. :question: :question: :question:
O0
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 23, 03:08 AM 2012
Aha, a graduate from the Spike school of playing roulette. It truly is the holy grail:
* "read" the last 10-15 spins
* bet every spin
* achieve a 72% hit rate on the double zero wheel playing ECs.
The stuff of dreams... ;D
Oh, and not forgetting the most important thing -
* Never, ever, ever ever wise up a dummy. If you do say anything, keep it vague so no-one will have a clue what you're doing - "experience and practice" or "reading random". >:D
I have never calculated my 'hit rate,' and I don't always bet every spin. My goal is simple, to win +5 units a session flat betting. I'm managing to do this on a consistent basis believe it or not.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 10:00 AM 2012
I have never calculated my 'hit rate,' and I don't always bet every spin. My goal is simple, to win +5 units a session flat betting. I'm managing to do this on a consistent basis believe it or not.
I have no reason to not belive you, but 500+ sessions is not consistent winnings. 500 sessions is a small number.
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 23, 10:34 AM 2012
I have no reason to not belive you, but 500+ sessions is not consistent winnings. 500 sessions is a small number.
500 sessions is a small number sample size for systems and progressions, but 500 sessions flat betting all in positive territory is a different animal.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 10:45 AM 2012
500 sessions is a small number sample size for systems and progressions, but 500 sessions flat betting all in positive territory is a different animal.
Tell us how you do that !?
Ive always needed a Progression
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 23, 11:08 AM 2012
Tell us how you do that !?
I've always needed a Progression
He told, just watch the 10 last and make a guess.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 10:45 AM 2012
500 sessions is a small number sample size for systems and progressions, but 500 sessions flat betting all in positive territory is a different animal.
500 sessions or how many spins? 10k? its just a drop in a bucket. Ok so you won all 500 sessions you played flat :D betting?
à have done some testing using real play, checking far more than the last ten numbers, flat bet until you are plus. Takes sometimes a lot of spins, needs a decent bankroll, as it can be 100+ to catch up.
Can take days or more. Sometimes a spin. Normally I rise the bet a unit if I am ten back, makes a big differnse in number of spins. Both ways are possible to go out of reach for possible recovery in some worse cases.
If one EC is very unbalanced its worth a try.
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 23, 11:09 AM 2012
He told, just watch the 10 last and make a guess.
Make a guess and hit the correct outcome 500 out of 500 times ???
I think hitting an Even outcome on a single zero wheel 500 out of 500 times gives you a Z Score of almost 23
Whats the odds on that Bayes, please ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 23, 12:01 PM 2012
Make a guess and hit the correct outcome 500 out of 500 times ???
I think hitting an Even outcome on a single zero wheel 500 out of 500 times gives you a Z Score of almost 23
what's the odds on that Bayes, please ?
Some one might hit 2.5 or 3.0 STD as best - i did ... But no one gets to 6.0 STD not even with lady luck at your side.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 23, 12:01 PM 2012
Make a guess and hit the correct outcome 500 out of 500 times ???
I think hitting an Even outcome on a single zero wheel 500 out of 500 times gives you a Z Score of almost 23
what's the odds on that Bayes, please ?
No. I said 500 sessions. A session can be anywhere from 10 spins to 100 spins. Whenever I hit +5 units flat betting the session is over. Sometimes I can do it within 10 spins, sometimes it takes a lot longer, up to 90+ spins. I win and I lose, but at the end I manage to have a few more wins than losses.
My results look something like this:
LWLLWWLWLWLLLWLWWLLWWWWLWLWWLLWWWLWWLWWWLLW
In this 43 spin session example, I had 24 W's and 19 L's for a grand total of +5 Units. The session is over and I walk away with +5 units FLAT betting. This is typically how most of my sessions look.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 23, 11:18 AM 2012
500 sessions or how many spins? 10k? its just a drop in a bucket. Ok so you won all 500 sessions you played flat :D betting?
Yes, I managed to win 500 individual sessions with a goal of +5 units for each session. Some sessions take 10 spins, the longest was 120 spins. When i'm not winning, i'm breaking even, winning and losing during times of chaos.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 01:44 PM 2012
Yes, I managed to win 500 individual sessions with a goal of +5 units for each session. Some sessions take 10 spins, the longest was 120 spins. When i'm not winning, i'm breaking even, winning and losing during times of chaos.
By Guessing what the next outcome will be ??
Let's say your average number of bets per session is 39, with 17 losses and 22 wins. That gives a total of 19,500 bets with 11,000 wins.
The z-score is 21.68 on a single zero wheel, higher on a double zero of course.
Impressive. :o
I think most of us here would like you to be a little more specific in describing your bet selection. ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 23, 02:10 PM 2012
By Guessing what the next outcome will be ??
Yes. It's not simply a blind guess, it's an educated guess. I look at everything as a whole, it's a combination of understanding random and probability.
Hi Spike.
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 23, 02:13 PM 2012
Let's say your average number of bets per session is 39, with 17 losses and 22 wins. That gives a total of 19,500 bets with 11,000 wins.
The z-score is 21.68 on a single zero wheel, higher on a double zero of course.
Impressive. :o
I think most of us here would like you to be a little more specific in describing your bet selection. ;D
Read post #19 for how I'm playing. All of these sessions were done in practice with Speilbank Weisban spins on Roulette Xtreme. My testing phase is over and i'm starting to actually bet in a casino. I've only had 3 sessions so far in a casino and I was able to do the same thing I did in practice at the table.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 23, 02:20 PM 2012
Hi Spike.
Def NOT Spike, I've read alot of what he does, and I have no idea if i'm doing the same thing as him, but there are similarities as far as flat betting, and paying attention.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 02:17 PM 2012
Yes. It's not simply a blind guess, it's an educated guess. I look at everything as a whole, it's a combination of understanding random and probability.
What do you mean by "I look at everything as a whole"?
Aren't you just looking at the last 10-15 spins?
If so, do you plan to make just one bet at a time based on those past spins? or a series of bets?
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 23, 02:23 PM 2012
What do you mean by "I look at everything as a whole"?
Aren't you just looking at the last 10-15 spins?
If so, do you plan to make just one bet at a time based on those past spins? or a series of bets?
Everything as a whole meaning the past 15 spins or so (the big picture). It's always one bet at a time. Sometimes I don't place a bet b/c all I see is chaos and I can't make anything of it. I have a stop loss of -6 units, but in all my testing, i've never reached it yet, and when i've gotten close, i've always seemed to slowly grind my way back out of it into positive terriorty, one bet at a time.
QuoteThrough experience and practice I know that series of 1's (singles) and 2's (doubles) cannot last forever, if I observe this situation of many 1's and 2's in 10-15 spins, I know that streaks are coming soon. The sands are shifting and you have to know when to capitalize on the change.
I bet in a similar way to this, but I take into account more data (not just 1's and 2's). Having said that, I use a progression. Not sure if I could win flat betting or not, never tried it long term. Maybe I just don't have the patience. :)
All I know is that betting this way keeps drawdowns very low, and that's all I need.
By the way, I don't really like the phrase "reading randomness", it sounds too much like voodoo. Probability is enough, what else is there?
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 23, 02:45 PM 2012
I bet in a similar way to this, but I take into account more data (not just 1's and 2's). Having said that, I use a progression. Not sure if I could win flat betting or not, never tried it long term. Maybe I just don't have the patience. :)
All I know is that betting this way keeps drawdowns very low, and that's all I need.
By the way, I don't really like the phrase "reading randomness", it sounds too much like voodoo. Probability is enough, what else is there?
It does take alot of patience, but if you can practice until you get it, flat betting is King and i'm sure you know that. I don't just pay attention to 1's and 2's, I pay attention to 3's and 4+'s just as much. Probability is definately at play, but you have to understand how randomness works, and i'm NOT talking about following trends.
Run 100 spins on roulette extreme and look at the statistics for red/black. You will see that 1's are usually higher than 2's. And 2's are higher than 3's. And 3's are higher than 4's....and so on. In a typical random stream, that is what is happening the majority of the time. Look at 15 spins, you will see 1's usually have more appearences than 2's, 2's more than 3's etc. That is a healthy random stream that can be taken advantage of, you can play for that to continue. It takes a hell of alot of practice but you will see it with repetition. When the stream is not behaving like 'typical random,' (such as lots of 3's and 4+'s...aka streaks), you know that a change is coming sooner than later, this is where probability comes to play. Red and Black are not going to keep streaking forever, those 1's and 2's are right around the corner!
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 02:54 PM 2012
It does take a lot of patience, but if you can practice until you get it, flat betting is King and i'm sure you know that. I don't just pay attention to 1's and 2's, I pay attention to 3's and 4+'s just as much. Probability is definately at play, but you have to understand how randomness works, and i'm NOT talking about following trends.
Run 100 spins on roulette extreme and look at the statistics for red/black. You will see that 1's are usually higher than 2's. And 2's are higher than 3's. And 3's are higher than 4's....and so on. In a typical random stream, that is what is happening the majority of the time. Look at 15 spins, you will see 1's usually have more appearences than 2's, 2's more than 3's etc. That is a healthy random stream that can be taken advantage of, you can play for that to continue. It takes a hell of a lot of practice but you will see it with repetition. When the stream is not behaving like 'typical random,' (such as lots of 3's and 4+'s...aka streaks), you know that a change is coming sooner than later, this is where probability comes to play. Red and Black are not going to keep streaking forever, those 1's and 2's are right around the corner!
I would love to see this in action.
Maybe if your willing and Bayes is willing you could do a Challenge like JL has done, just so we can experience Flat Betting to Profit ?
That would be so awesome !
Hi Barcode,
I have a question.
Would you play multiple streams at once or do you just select the one most likely to give you the outcome you expect? Im guessing you maybe wouldnt play all three at once if your stop loss is -6 units. Thank you.
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 23, 02:45 PM 2012
I bet in a similar way to this, but I take into account more data (not just 1's and 2's). Having said that, I use a progression. Not sure if I could win flat betting or not, never tried it long term. Maybe I just don't have the patience. :)
All I know is that betting this way keeps drawdowns very low, and that's all I need.
By the way, I don't really like the phrase "reading randomness", it sounds too much like voodoo. Probability is enough, what else is there?
go here: link:://:.gametheory.net/mike/applets/random/random.html (link:://:.gametheory.net/mike/applets/random/random.html)
This tool is what helped me read and practice reading random. See if you can get your sample to be 'random' by the applet's definition on your first try. I now get 'random' all the time.
Quote from: Blood Angel on Jul 23, 03:33 PM 2012
Hi Barcode,
I have a question.
Would you play multiple streams at once or do you just select the one most likely to give you the outcome you expect? I'm guessing you maybe wouldnt play all three at once if your stop-loss is -6 units. Thank you.
No, just one stream. I pick the one that I think has the best chance to win on the next spin. My last trip to the casino instead of tracking 3 streams for one individual table (R/B, H/L, O/E), I only focused on R/B by looking at the history board. I walked around between 4 different tables all in the same area and reached in to place my bet on red or black. If I felt it wasn't a good time to bet, I would wait, or walk to the next table and read that table's history board. If I wanted to look at H/L, O/E, I would have to have a paper and pen to track it, and visually see it better.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 03:42 PM 2012
No, just one stream. I pick the one that I think has the best chance to win on the next spin. My last trip to the casino instead of tracking 3 streams for one individual table (R/B, H/L, O/E), I only focused on R/B by looking at the history board. I walked around between 4 different tables all in the same area and reached in to place my bet on red or black. If I felt it wasn't a good time to bet, I would wait, or walk to the next table and read that table's history board. If I wanted to look at H/L, O/E, I would have to have a paper and pen to track it, and visually see it better.
Thank you for your answer.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 23, 03:00 PM 2012
I would love to see this in action.
Maybe if your willing and Bayes is willing you could do a Challenge like JL has done, just so we can experience Flat Betting to Profit ?
That would be so awesome !
Fancy it ??
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 23, 05:22 PM 2012
Fancy it ??
If the numbers are verified from a real wheel, not RNG. I'll think about it.
If anyone truly wants to learn to do this Flat betting, study this: link:://anomaly.org/ThinAir/charactr.html (link:://anomaly.org/ThinAir/charactr.html)
3.6 Runs
"One interesting characteristic of a sequence of numbers concerns runs. When each successive number in a subsequence is larger than the previous number, we have a run up. When each successive number in a subsequence is smaller than the previous number, we have a run down. In a good random sequence we would expect the number of runs up to be pretty close to the number of runs down. We would also expect that longer runs would be less likely than shorter runs."Notice they say a "good random sequence." Most sequences are "good random sequences," that is the nature of random and that is random behaving the way it should. Anything else can be taken advantage of when the tide is turning, you have to anticipate it and strike when the time is right. With practice and experience, this is not blind guessing, this is a skill and reading randomness becomes possible.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 05:42 PM 2012
If the numbers are verified from a real wheel, not RNG. I'll think about it.
Bayes, do you have the time and inclination to set this up like you did for JL ??
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 03:34 PM 2012
go here: link:://:.gametheory.net/mike/applets/random/random.html (link:://:.gametheory.net/mike/applets/random/random.html)
This tool is what helped me read and practice reading random. See if you can get your sample to be 'random' by the applet's definition on your first try. I now get 'random' all the time.
Thanks for the link, very interesting. I was meaning to post one of those runs tests in the math section some time ago, but forgot about it. It would be interesting to run some spins through it (and maybe the other 2 tests on the site) to see if there's any difference between RNG and actuals. The paradoxical thing about randomness is that it's necessary for it to be non-random at times. Not random!!! comes up quite often in that applet, but it must be the exception rather than the rule, it'll be interesting to do some research on this too.
There are quite a few things you can look out for in a stream of binary data, other than the obvious streaks vs singles. This topic came up recently in another thread. e.g. there should be as many isolated streaks (a streak of any length with at least one chop either side of it) as series of streaks. You can also examine each side independently of the other, so instead of R/B being one stream of data, it's actually 3.
I'm happy to give you the software for a test, if you're up for it. But I'll have to think of where to get the actuals, seeing as you don't want RNG. This being the case, have you actually tried doing what you do on RNG? or is it just prejudice that you don't want to play against it? ^-^
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 23, 06:34 PM 2012
Thanks for the link, very interesting. I was meaning to post one of those runs tests in the math section some time ago, but forgot about it. It would be interesting to run some spins through it (and maybe the other 2 tests on the site) to see if there's any difference between RNG and actuals. The paradoxical thing about randomness is that it's necessary for it to be non-random at times. Not random!!! comes up quite often in that applet, but it must be the exception rather than the rule, it'll be interesting to do some research on this too.
There are quite a few things you can look out for in a stream of binary data, other than the obvious streaks vs singles. This topic came up recently in another thread. e.g. there should be as many isolated streaks (a streak of any length with at least one chop either side of it) as series of streaks. You can also examine each side independently of the other, so instead of R/B being one stream of data, it's actually 3.
I'm happy to give you the software for a test, if you're up for it. But I'll have to think of where to get the actuals, seeing as you don't want RNG. This being the case, have you actually tried doing what you do on RNG? or is it just prejudice that you don't want to play against it? ^-^
It can get very complex if you make it complex, I prefer to keep it as simple as possible. I mostly pay attention to series in a typical random stream.
I prefer real spins from a real wheel, I've tried doing what I do on RNG and I end up running in place, breaking even alot of the time. I seem to have more success on real actual spins for some reason.
bar code
are you counting the the way in which the numbers are going up or down? betting the reverse. I think some baccarat systems are based on this
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 23, 07:40 PM 2012
bar code
are you counting the the way in which the numbers are going up or down? betting the reverse. I think some baccarat systems are based on this
Actually No. But it's something to consider and pay attention to. Just another tool that can be used.
ahh one of may factors--ok Got ya
Around 1920 the French roulette-researcher Henry Chateau analysed the relationship of singles and series for the even money chances in 56,534 ideal-spins and came to following results
21 X 35 X 9 X 20 X 7 X 1 X 31 X 18 X 19 X 8 X 26 X 3 X 2 X 17 X 32 X 26 X 7 X 4 X 11 X 34 X 26 X 29 X 34 XDid you win here barcode?
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 06:43 PM 2012
I prefer real spins from a real wheel, I've tried doing what I do on RNG and I end up running in place, breaking even a lot of the time. I seem to have more success on real actual spins for some reason.
That's what Spike says. Have you tried playing the spins from random.org? Anyway, you might want to see how you get on with my RNG. You can download it from the JL Challenge thread (reply #146).
By the way, sorry George that this thread seems to have been hijacked. Great story.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jul 24, 12:20 AM 2012
21 X 35 X 9 X 20 X 7 X 1 X 31 X 18 X 19 X 8 X 26 X 3 X 2 X 17 X 32 X 26 X 7 X 4 X 11 X 34 X 26 X 29 X 34 XDid you win here barcode?
Not sure what your asking here? My bet is not based on a trigger, it's not static, it's never the same, it's always changing. Every situation is different.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jul 24, 12:05 AM 2012
Around 1920 the French roulette-researcher Henry Chateau analysed the relationship of singles and series for the even money chances in 56,534 ideal-spins and came to following results
Yes and the same can be said for a short sample of 15 spins as well. On average you will see similar statistics. You will see more 1's than 2's, more 2's than 3's, etc..... This is how random behaves and you can't change it, that's how it can be exploited.
If I see 15 spins of nothing but 1's and a few 2's, I KNOW that it cannot continue forever, probability will not allow it. Eventually the 3's and 4's and 5's are coming, and sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 23, 06:34 PM 2012
I'm happy to give you the software for a test, if you're up for it. But I'll have to think of where to get the actuals, seeing as you don't want RNG. This being the case, have you actually tried doing what you do on RNG? or is it just prejudice that you don't want to play against it? ^-^
Awesome ! Sounds like Game On !!
Bayes
I think that Spike only had problems with the roulette machines that had RNGs, I believe he used to do quite well with the spins at random.org. I do wonder if there is something funny with those machines as I have played them a number of times and the ball has landed in a winning number and then after half a second jumped to a losing number. I also don't think that George will mind too much that the thread has changed into this fascinating direction.
Barcode
well done on your success to date, I tinkered with the up runs and down runs of the series at one time but didn't get very far, however I may revisit it, thanks.
one other thing, how frequently have you found that the series balance out into their correct proportions, on average, ie. double the amount of 1s than 2s etc. I remember a couple have people say around 300 spins, is this the same as your experience?
Mike
Quote from: Shadowman on Jul 24, 09:50 AM 2012
Bayes
I think that Spike only had problems with the roulette machines that had RNGs, I believe he used to do quite well with the spins at random.org. I do wonder if there is something funny with those machines as I have played them a number of times and the ball has landed in a winning number and then after half a second jumped to a losing number. I also don't think that George will mind too much that the thread has changed into this fascinating direction.
Barcode
well done on your success to date, I tinkered with the up runs and down runs of the series at one time but didn't get very far, however I may revisit it, thanks.
one other thing, how frequently have you found that the series balance out into their correct proportions, on average, ie. double the amount of 1s than 2s etc. I remember a couple have people say around 300 spins, is this the same as your experience?
Mike
All i'm concerned with is the short-term, the past 15 spins or so, nothing will ever be truly balanced and that's not really what i'm looking for. But in a typical random stream, you will notice several singles, maybe a few 2's, maybe one series of 3, maybe a series of 4 or more. Walk around any casino and look at the red and black on the history board and this is what you will see a majority of the time.
For example: If I see the past 15 spins has mostly 2's and 3's with a single only here or there, I can start to favor singles in the next upcoming spins b/c I know that singles appear more than 2's and 3's in a typical random stream.
Alot of times the stream will remain perfectly random for 100 spins, which to the average person might looks like chaos. This would look something like this 1,1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,4,3,2,1,2,1,1. But when I see this, I can play for it to continue, with experience I know how random behaves, I know what to typically expect, and I can play within it if that makes sense. It's always just a guess, but an educated guess. All I have to guess is better than 50% to be a winner.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 24, 09:46 AM 2012
Awesome ! Sounds like Game On !!
Might be a bit premature Paul, barcode said he'd think about it, not that he would definitely do it. I'm not going to put pressure on him, but it would be great if he does. :)
@ Shadowman,
Yeah I think you're right about Spike. I seem to remember that he claimed that he did as well using spins from random.org as he did using actuals.
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 24, 10:32 AM 2012
Might be a bit premature Paul, barcode said he'd think about it, not that he would definitely do it. I'm not going to put pressure on him, but it would be great if he does. :)
Very true, thank you Bayes. I'm just really excited to see this !
Thanks Barcode, that was a very informative post
Mike
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 24, 10:30 AM 2012
All i'm concerned with is the short-term, the past 15 spins or so, nothing will ever be truly balanced and that's not really what i'm looking for. But in a typical random stream, you will notice several singles, maybe a few 2's, maybe one series of 3, maybe a series of 4 or more. Walk around any casino and look at the red and black on the history board and this is what you will see a majority of the time.
For example: If I see the past 15 spins has mostly 2's and 3's with a single only here or there, I can start to favor singles in the next upcoming spins b/c I know that singles appear more than 2's and 3's in a typical random stream.
a lot of times the stream will remain perfectly random for 100 spins, which to the average person might looks like chaos. This would look something like this 1,1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,4,3,2,1,2,1,1. But when I see this, I can play for it to continue, with experience I know how random behaves, I know what to typically expect, and I can play within it if that makes sense. It's always just a guess, but an educated guess. All I have to guess is better than 50% to be a winner.
This post should be read by everyone who aspires to winning consistently at this game. It's probably what Hector was hinting at with his system when he indicated that just mechanical playing wouldn't cut the mustard. He made it sound like intuition but I think your statement "...with experience I know how random behaves,..." is what he meant.
George thanks for the story on Hector,entertaining and the method is worthy of a look see.Barcode question for you,16spins -8 singles,8doubles then exploit or too short of a sequence for this to apply?Your right about it's an educated guess. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Dutchy on Jul 24, 03:24 PM 2012
George thanks for the story on Hector,entertaining and the method is worthy of a look see.Barcode question for you,16spins -8 singles,8doubles then exploit or too short of a sequence for this to apply?Your right about it's an educated guess. :thumbsup:
I wish it would happen all the time...
I would just bet for larger series after an indication. sure deal. :thumbsup:
Albertojonas,
What I mean is this, if I recorded 16 spins and used 8 singles and 8 sequences of two or more as a baseline for bets and I get 9 singles and 7 sequences of two or more I'll be betting for two's or more because it's below the baseline.But I wouldn't bet if I only get a difference of one.I need a difference of two or more.Would this work or do I need more spins? >:D
I will not point out liar's - but if you want this method to work with best results you have to use events and not trails - i can see some confusion about that - wish is based upon that pepole don't understand the relationship with true imbalance and balance and the law of series.
There is only one way to create a lophole and aim for larger series - and i know how.
This work has already been made by Marigny and all others just try to do the same thing being copy cats.
Quote from: Dutchy on Jul 24, 09:04 PM 2012
Albertojonas,
What I mean is this, if I recorded 16 spins and used 8 singles and 8 sequences of two or more as a baseline for bets and I get 9 singles and 7 sequences of two or more I'll be betting for two's or more because it's below the baseline.But I wouldn't bet if I only get a difference of one.I need a difference of two or more.Would this work or do I need more spins? >:D
Quote from: ego on Jul 25, 12:36 PM 2012
I will not point out liar's - but if you want this method to work with best results you have to use events and not trails - i can see some confusion about that - wish is based upon that pepole don't understand the relationship with true imbalance and balance and the law of series.
There is only one way to create a lophole and aim for larger series - and i know how.
This work has already been made by Marigny and all others just try to do the same thing being copy cats.
@ Dutch
In your post you mentioned something confusing. 16 spins or 16 events? I suppose events, otherwise how could you get 8 singles + 8 doubles? =24 spins. (note that you mentioned doubles, not "sequences of two or more")
Anyway, i see the intent of the question was towards Hector's system...
Well, in my opinion you should consider events and then, You would need more spins.
Based on what Ego wrote, i will disclose a bit of what i think he means, as he is the authority in the subject...
If you were presented with that string you would have 16 events and could try measure and aim for larger series:
Singels has the value of 1
Series of two has the value of 0
Series of three has the value of 1
Series of four has the value of 2
Series of five has the value of 3
Series of six has the value of 4
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albertojonas (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=profile;u=423)
Yes does is the math values and the topic is trending based upon them - clever if you use events and not trails as we deal with the observations of series of three and higher series.
Did you know it works the other way around.
If you get many events of series of three and higher series - then after some imbalance you get strings of singles and series of two based upon the same principal as above.
@ Barcode
what I find most interesting about the way that you play, is that you are looking at the very short term, ie. 10-15 spins.
Often times we look to longer strings of numbers for data, but I have noticed that in the overall wave of the graph for EC distribution, which is biased in one direction, is that there is a fractal like quality. That is to say that there are still many, if not the majority, of random mini waves, amongst the dominance. I have often wondered if there is a way of capitalising on these, you appear to have come with an interesting possibility and I wish you all the best with it.
Thank you for being so open with your method, as it opens the door to a number of avenues and premises to test, definitely something to think about.
Mike
This seems like a fun way to play, just keep an eye on all even chances then you should have plenty of
chances to play.
Last night I played this on Jebet for an hour and if you keep your eyes open you will make some profit.
Stuart
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I have seem to have the greatest success playing this on a Single Doz or Col.
I wait 15 spins and if no Doz or Col has had a triple I play the last spun Doz or Col, I give it six shots to get my win.
I use a 1 2 3 4 5 6 progression on the Doz or Col.
So far it works and is fun to play.
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Just to ask, when we observe 10-15 spins and there are no 3s, we wait for another 15 to pass before betting if possible or we wait just the last 10 spins to do not have a 3s?
f.e
B R R B R R B R R R
so we have a 3peat in the last 10 outcomes) so now i start observing from here another 10 new fresh spins )
B R R B R R B R R R B R R B R R B B R R and now bet.
Or i do like this :
B R R B R R B [ R R R B R R B B R B R ] and now bet?
Thanks
Read post one again if you have doubts.
Stuart
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