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As poll.Please be free to share.


Which way to success would you choose?
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=21593.msg154156;topicseen#msg154156


You are...

No scruples here. Which ever way we  legally can.

I do not want vlsroulette.com yeah quenched.Please, keep fire!


Nathan,

You're long-standing and respected member of the forum.Here there are young guys who have tattoos from ink,a no scars from "wounds" on flesh.You are and student of JP,say:
Can anyone, with roulette-computers in pocket yeah  be experienced as professional gambler?


Thank you.

I think you are losing something in the English...but the motive is getting clearer

Are you asking if computer users are not pro because they are cheating or are you asking if we think that it works and they make money?

Its not clear

*************No scruples here. Which ever way we  legally can.************ quote by Tamino


Right in line with  the headline  of this subject but without going into specifics,.



Tamino aka Nathan Detroit

Quote from: Mortagon on Feb 27, 02:01 PM 2016

As poll.Please be free to share.

Which way to success would you choose?

А. With Roulette-computers in pocket.And yeah you burst by drubbing,if you get    caught (maybe),
   And your name to be registered in blacklist.And never longer yeah no "smell"  casino...
link:://:.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi313655577?ref_=tt_ov_vi (link:://:.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi313655577?ref_=tt_ov_vi)



B. As system cited here - "Tadpole".Expensive, but is accompanied by a personal perfection.
   But as it says in the Gospel:"You did not choose me, I chose you"
link:://:.kimoliroulette.com/forum.html#/20120301/learning-the-kimo-li-way-1329736/page3/ (link:://:.kimoliroulette.com/forum.html#/20120301/learning-the-kimo-li-way-1329736/page3/)



C. Shared by "button".The future nightmare for casinos,but future,for which must yeah work today.Otherwise it for you will always remain a future,but when you
have it - you're invincible.Nobody can you steal.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15635.60 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15635.60)

Kimo Li: The Global Pie Method came to light when patterns started to emerge as I started to make the connections in my mind. Pattern recognition comes naturally for me. I realized that I had a gift.I was five years old when I began to see
patterns in people's behavior and that I could predict  how they would react to any given situation...

Steve : Yes i believe that too, but it takes consciousness development. And when you reach that level, you are unlikely to care about winning roulette. My pursuit of money led me to understand i didnt want money, i wanted freedom.



You are...

Consider your options.This may be the only profitable decision for someone of us:

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16659.msg148497;topicseen#msg148497

When commenting option (A.),i'm not saying, that it is not working
decision.On the contrary, this may be the only winning possibility
for many of us.It is a matter of personal choice, personal way -
good or bad.But I will never allow myself to get off the level on
which someone fell,rising poster:

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on Jun 23, 04:45 PM 2015
Please raise your hands  if you have ever won  at an B & M casino  with Kimo Li `s   principles ..  I am also very well familiar with reviews about his book.  I cannot easily be fooled.

That's lack of equanimity for greatness.Measurement self low man,tall - not.
This is a low-growing thinking.Under the walnut shade not grows.Is growing
under the sun.Self-hood wants recognition, but gives no recognition.
We have and world examples for this:
Envy of Zoilus against Homer ("Zoilus's criticism").On Salieri against Mozart.
And of course crier not late to appear.Flag officer,conductor,gonfalonier
became this one,for whom Turner recently said:

Re: Flat 4
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2016, 09:47:28 PM »

\All they are doing is causing good guys to leave.
Ive never seen The Law actually post anything to do with roulette.\


A he characterized as:

Quote from: thelaw on Feb 25, 10:02 PM 2016
@MrJ>>I'm an Atheist..........but Thank you Ken......all the best!

What it was worthily answer:

Re: Kimo Li
« Reply #253 on: July 01, 2015, 09:59:13 PM »

\Why I won't do it? because I don't want my work to be reversed engineered.\



So says Christ to Peter: "Get away from me  ...."


Cultures.

WHO  forgot  to close  the  door above the cuckoo`s nest?

Why nobody "not raised his hand"?

The answer is very simple.All private students, all members of the
Global Pies community (dedicated in advanced strategy) have concluded an agreement for non-disclosure of secrets.And you Nathan,as one a very well informed person, know well this.There are Schools and schools.Some have secrets,who defend,others not.So that your attack was very, very incorrect.
Excuse me, but this is the truth.

And you know what was said Aristotle, who was a pupil of Plato, when he had to take his own way:

"Amicus Plato, SED Magis AMICA Veritas"

I would reply if I knew what you are talking about. I watched The Imitation Game last night.
I can see what decoding messages can do to someone lol

I'd choose the path with lowest risk and highest return. Ie what's legal and already proven to work

Thanks for your post mr.Steve.

Quote from: Mortagon on Mar 12, 05:47 AM 2016
Why nobody "not raised his hand"?

The answer is very simple.All private students, all members of the
Global Pies community (dedicated in advanced strategy) have concluded an agreement for non-disclosure of secrets.And you Nathan,as one a very well informed person, know well this.There are Schools and schools.Some have secrets,who defend,others not.So that your attack was very, very incorrect.
Excuse me, but this is the truth.

And you know what was said Aristotle, who was a pupil of Plato, when he had to take his own way:

"Amicus Plato, SED Magis AMICA Veritas"

If the pie sat on the fence before moon harvest, does that mean the boy would no longer drive through the forest of frogs? Ponder that.

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Mar 12, 01:26 PM 2016
If the pie sat on the fence before moon harvest, does that mean the boy would no longer drive through the forest of frogs? Ponder that.

Ken

Ken
You seem to know how to say it just right
Wonderful !

OK,let's see what other mods think:

iggiv
Global Moderator
Re: Kimo Li
« Reply #267 on: July 02, 2015, 11:38:38 PM »

thelaw, Kimo Li did not scam anyone as much as i know. He is not selling anything through this forum. But he helps people from time to time. I think you have rather something personal against him instead of discussing his methods. And i can clearly see you are trying to draw as much attention in discrediting him as you can. I won't beat around the bush.  I think it's time to talk about it in Mod lounge, what other Mods will think about it.



iggiv
Global Moderator
Re: Kimo Li
« Reply #269 on: July 02, 2015, 11:48:02 PM »

Maybe through his, but i have never seen him advertising anything here. He also helped many people for free. He also tried to help me as well without any fee.



iggiv
Global Moderator
Re: Kimo Li
« Reply #273 on: July 03, 2015, 12:30:57 AM »

We are not in the court, i already told you. You have no right to demand such things. Who are you? Official investigator?
The man clearly did not promise anything, why the hell are you demanding proof? Who are you? Official inverstigator? I think you just try to troll and play on his nerves, and that's it.  Why you accuse him of being scam artist? What basis do you have?
I am not doing it out of personal relationship. I am doing it because what you do is unfair. Let's see what other Mods say.
I may be wrong, we'll see what they  say.



iggiv
Global Moderator
Re: Kimo Li
« Reply #275 on: July 03, 2015, 12:48:39 AM »

What he does outside this forum is his business. The fact is he is not advertising it here. He just discusses roulette. You demand a proof.
What you say "ask" is actually looks like a demand. Then you use the word "scam". Then you use red colour to draw attention.
Then you are making innocent eyes like..."Oh, i never tried to discredit him, just a simple question".
The man already answered this question 100 times, he is not interested to give you a proof, actually he says it won't work for everyone, try it on you own risk. There is nothing wrong about it. But it's not enough for you. You want to repeat it over and over again to discredit him. I think you are a smart troll using dirty tricks.

Quote from: Turner on Mar 12, 01:47 PM 2016
Ken
You seem to know how to say it just right
Wonderful !

Glad I could help Turner. See, it makes more sense when I explain it.  ???

Ken

FORUM ENDED
Kimo Li stopped forum in its site."Shop for glasses" prisons.





"For me, it's easier to play the American roulette wheel because of the relationship of the wheel head and the layout. When I do play the European wheel in Las Vegas, I use the pinwheel and two layout strategies because it's easy for me to remember.

It has been my experience to focus on the wheel that is easy on the brain,
something that comes naturally. One year, I learned something extremely valuable.

I brought a newbie to Vegas to see if gambling was right for this person. I taught him nothing. He read some books and had his own system, black and red martingale system. I was waiting for a disaster to happen. He had a 2,000.00 bank and played 25.00 dollar units.

Long story short, he won 2,000.00 at the end of four days of play. His goal was to win 500.00 dollars a day, playing to win 5, 100.00 sessions. The most discipline person I have ever met.

Today, he plays the same way, wins 2,000.00 every other week, does not care about the Kimo Li Way. "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it." "



Now surely many of you will is asked,what is its system.
If there is interest, tomorrow i can post "joker"...

What was the purpose of this post?  Sorry, I'm not following.

"Professional, what does that word mean? To me, a professional is someone who focuses on their craft a life time. Someone who sets high standards, keeps expectations at bay, and exhibit discipline and self control, while maintaining integrity.

This holds true with any profession. My mother once told me, when I was a young, out of control child, "If you choose to be bad, you need to be the best at what you do, a thief, liar, cheat, whatever, know your craft."

I thought she was out of her mind. But it made sense. She was merely telling me to be a professional at whatever I choose to do. That is what I have done. I am a professional roulette player. Professional does not mean you do it everyday. It means that when you do it, you are at your best. A switch comes on and you are at optimum level. In your heart, you will know if you are a professional roulette player or not.

My advice to anyone is to discover your passion. You will know when you have found it, because it will consume your life, 24 / 7. You can't turn it off."

Quote from: Mortagon on Apr 27, 05:42 PM 2016For me, it's easier to play the American roulette wheel because of the relationship of the wheel head and the layout

But you do know the house edge is around twice higher on 00?

"Oh, let the sun beat down upon my face
And stars fill my dream
I'm a traveler of both time and space
To be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race
This world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait
All will be revealed"

               -Linus Caldwell :twisted:

I would choose any way to success that is legal and the fastest, but now I think that only illegal ways are fastest... Maybe I will be a creator of something that covers both things that I want...

"It appears that most players are trying to defeat random by organizing numbers, systems, and methods. Here's a thought. Why not conquer random by being random, in an organized manner, making random no longer random.
What? you say, exactly. Figure that out and you will hold the key.

The secret to understanding roulette is in nature. I once pondered how coral survived in the ocean. How did they eat? I knew what they ate (plankton). What was their strategy to capture a moving target?

Was the movement of plankton random? Or was there a pattern of movement?

Are past spins relevant? If so, how do you use that information? If not, is there a way to "contain" random?

Nature holds the secret to both mindsets. The strategies are governed by nature. I say this to give the roulette player something to think about."

Quote from: Mortagon on May 28, 08:04 PM 2016
Was the movement of plankton random? Or was there a pattern of movement?

Are past spins relevant? If so, how do you use that information? If not, is there a way to "contain" random?

Nature holds the secret to both mindsets. The strategies are governed by nature. I say this to give the roulette player something to think about."

Food for thought. :)

"My mindset is to read as much about roulette as possible to learn, which means I would have to borrow materials from the library, purchase books, or read information online. I believe, that is what most "normal" people do, not roulette forums. They expect something for nothing. Maybe people in general are like that, I don't know. It seems so."

Quote from: Mortagon on May 31, 06:41 PM 2016read information online. I believe, that is what most "normal" people do, not roulette forums.

Roulette forums are a way for people to "read information online".
What kind of nonsense is this lol. (makes a note that I'm on a forum and "online" at the moment reading it)

Quote from: Mortagon on May 31, 06:41 PM 2016SO YOU WANNA GAMBLE PROFESSIONALLY

I would never take anyone seriously who used the word "WANNA" instead of "want to". Did a child write this ?

Quote from: Mortagon on May 31, 06:41 PM 2016They expect something for nothing. Maybe people in general are like that, I don't know. It seems so.

Not "expect", seek.

Quote from: TurboGenius on May 31, 06:50 PM 2016
Roulette forums are a way for people to "read information online".

Agree with that line, forums are full of "information", but not always useful information.  Often you have to sift throught all the chaff to find the seeds of good ideas.

Quote from: PeaBea65 on May 31, 07:55 PM 2016Agree with that line, forums are full of "information", but not always useful information.  Often you have to sift throught all the chaff to find the seeds of good ideas.

Just like anywhere else on the internet. It's loaded with bad information and lies.

Quote from: TurboGenius on May 31, 06:50 PM 2016I would never take anyone seriously who used the word "WANNA" instead of "want to". Did a child write this ?

Seriously? lol

John Patrick TV show -"SO YOU WANNA BE A GAMBLER"
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=GYcqgksvces


"Accept yeah me kicking horse, a not barefoot donkey"

Wow - 15 books and his own cable tv show.
I don't know about you but I'm impressed.
:twisted:

"I wanted to talk about the importance of knowing all of the numbers on the wheel. This notion is directed towards people who do not value this skill.

I see the wheel as a treasure map. Without it, I would be wandering aimlessly. Imagine you are on a row boat on the ocean, just floating. You have no goals, just going with the tide. Hopefully, you will find land before the elements kill you.

If you have a goal in mind, possess a map, and enough provisions to get there, chances are you will succeed. Memorizing the numbers on the wheel will open your vision to see how the ball is moving and what numbers the ball is favoring, not only in sections, but in intervals.

Once you have that roulette map, all you have to do is figure out what direction you will take to reach your destination."

what A crap

Quote from: maestro on Jun 03, 04:45 PM 2016
what A crap

Exactly

Where's that compass of Jack Sparrow?

"Mathematically, European wheel has a lesser house edge. If you add a second zero to the European wheel, then the house edge is equal to the American wheel.

Although it is easier to memorize the American wheel, because of how the numbers are arranged on the wheel, the European wheel has the same identical strategies as the American wheel, although the numbers are arranged differently on the wheel.

When the roulette player learns the multiple aspects of each roulette wheel, they would be able to understand the importance of each number placement.

I have read the many debates about using past spins as a means to predict future spins, which is a natural human behavior. The wheel has no memory. So, the debate continues.

There is an approach which does not use past spins. Something that has never been posted. Quite frankly, will never be posted. But it is something for which to ponder while studying  principles of ..."

keep on posting mort !

These are Kimo Li posts, aren't they?

"I practice my roulette skills everyday, 50 spins. I analyze every angle. This helps me to keep sharp and constantly looking for new strategies. Keep in mind, when I practice, I pretend I am at the casino, with an actual layout and chips. I read 12 numbers ascending from the bottom to the top, just like the tote boards in the casino. I have loud music in the background to assimilate the casino, because my brain needs to feel comfortable in that kind of environment. It's a necessary routine if you want to be on top of your game. Walking is an essential part of practicing. Why?, because a roulette gambler will be moving from one casino to another. In other words, you have to exercise."

“The live casinos require you to bet every spin. If you miss one or two spins, depending on what type of player you are, meaning beginner, above average or "frequent," a beginner will probably not get a reaction from the dealer. Above average will get a warning. A frequent (Pro) will be told he MUST bet every spin. Yes, the casino can tell what type of player you are.”

"There is no way that the casinos will ever shut down roulette tables. The majority of the players play by the rules that the game has to offer. Some may win, some may lose, but the casino will, in time, win by the house advantage.

Casinos create a following of losers by psychological warfare. Reward membership is their weapon. The more action you give the more perks you get, reward credits, tier status, free rooms, free play, free shows, free limo, etc.

Here's how the psychology works. When you win, it's a great feeling. You go home feeling great, money won and free everything. Now, they offer you more stuff and you go back. This time you lose money. You justify your loss by saying that you had all that free stuff, rooms, buffet, limo, shows. Psychologically, you say to yourself, I lost money but I had a great time and I "think" I broke even or the "value" I received equals my losses.

The cycle does not end. They offer you more free stuff because of your loyal play. If you have a reward card, you are a loser because the casino already won.

If the casino spot an advantage player, they simply refuse their patronage. So no, the casinos
will never shut down the roulette games.

Are you a reward player?

Here is a typical scenario that happens when playing roulette.
The player buys in with a discrete bank, depending on the table limit, 100.00 for example on a 10.00 table minimum.

The player builds his table stake to 1,000.00 dollars. The pit-boss asks if the player has a players card. The answer is no. Do you want one? No thank you. This is when you ask to cash out and leave the casino.

If you lose your 100.00 or whatever you stop loss is, pull out your rewards card and ask the dealer to have the pit-boss to record your loss (play) on the card."

Thanks Mort, interesting read!

GLC - Roulette Book Review
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3760.0

An attempt of Kimo Li to explain intuition:
link:://betselection.cc/article-development/(draft)-yet-another-explanation-to-intuition-4280/msg32083/?PHPSESSID=g0rn4nq7fmcrhradppos7rrfk0#msg32083


We as a roulette group cannot agree on the best way to learn how to beat the game of roulette. We, instead, speak about our own roulette experiences and what we have read from various disciplines and points of view:  wheel-based, layout-based, physics, math, psychic, etc., disproving and justifying why a particular approach does not work.

I remember when The Roulette Formula, by Kimo Li, was first made public in 2005 regarding the many facets of dividing up the wheel and categorizing them into groups that would serve as a universal roulette language. For those players who have embraced the ideas of the Global Pie Method and later The Matrix, they are consciously and subconsciously reaping the benefits of pattern recognition and intuition. It could be as simple as which half of the wheel is the ball falling, or more complex, like reading boomerang patterns on the layout, and knowing the number relationships on the wheel.

The internal accountant retrieves information from several databases stored within the cortex of the brain, unlike a library that is well organized, but rather, data randomly scattered throughout the brain, most of the time duplicate in nature. If one part of data is “erased”, it can be traced and found in another part of the cortex. One must have data in their minds and not on a computer or cell phone. You don’t believe me. Imagine if you lost your phone. How many phone numbers do you remember?

Intuition, therefore, has a direct relationship with information gathered and stored throughout one’s experience using a set of principles that is “proven” to win consistently, which by the way, cannot happen without a universal language,  set of rules, and discipline.

No pattern escapes the intuitive mind of a professional Global Pie roulette player. My intuition tells me that there is someone out there who begs to differ.

Kimo Li