Some ideas on table layout betting. (Subject modified)

[warrior]

I wish I was in Vegas, its dam cold in Canada ,keep working at guys it's is the best on the the forum.

[warrior]

would these 20 spins win +10


Quote from: ignatus on October 23, 2014, 03:09:03 PM

    14 numbers hit 1 time, 8 numbers hit 2 times, 2 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
    14 numbers hit 1 time, 8 numbers hit 2 times, 2 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
    15 numbers hit 1 time, 9 numbers hit 2 times, 1 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle
    13 numbers hit 1 time, 7 numbers hit 2 times, 3 number hit 3 times or more during a 36 spin cycle

32,24,12, 6,30,28,32,10,28,33,17,32,20,33,34, 6,13,27,35,31. 15 numbers 20 spins, 16 spins left. So whats likely to happen
                              R        R             R        R        R                       in the 16 spins. Have the next 40 spins for the answer
                                                       R       
                               

Here this may help you think .
13 to 14 will appear one
13 to 14 will not appear
9 to 10 will appear more then once.
Now think on how to use this info and reverse it ok.

[falkor]

Here was the best set, but this also had 5 lines open at one time:
2 spins
1st line closed
3 spins
Repeat line!
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spin
Repeat line!
0 spins
2nd line closed
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
3rd line closed
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spins
4th line closed

Though it could be argued that the best set would have fewer wins, but more profitable wins, i.e. quick line closes all-round with few open simultaneously.

[warrior]

This is a very interesting system! I did some coding on this at about 4am this morning. Wow, some really amazing results so far after 270 sets... 

Where's warrior BTW? Has he begun touring Vegas or something?

So in my tests I play till 4 lines have been closed. We start when the first number/line hits and then if a repeat comes in or a new number then we "jump" to the next level, and we do this until 4 lines have been closed.

Maximum gaps after 270 Sets x 37 spins / 10,000 spins

Level 0 to Level 1: 5
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 4
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 1
Level 9 to Level 10: 1

*I think most of the larger gaps occur when there are 5 lines open at once. 7 Sets had all 6 lines open at once.
*The worst session was waiting 10 spins for the 4th line to close without any repeats occurring throughout the set - and sure enough at one time in that set there were 5 lines open (see attached; gap 0 always reports one more than it's meant to BTW due to a glitch with the 1st spin of every set).

Nice one ,I like this because this is how we beat the game.

[warrior]

Here was the best set, but this also had 5 lines open at one time:
2 spins
1st line closed
3 spins
Repeat line!
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spin
Repeat line!
0 spins
2nd line closed
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
3rd line closed
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spins
4th line closed

When this happens remember this is how we beat the game , and we have a choice on when to bet .
I know I mention at the beginning of the thread that as the lines come in you bet them ,this so you can start to think in a different way about roulette and it helps with Boredom .
But when you understand whats happening at the beginning of every cycle ,you can start to be creative in your betting.

So if all lines show at once I'm either on 2 of them or 3 of them to corner the bet for there changing
numbers or catch the repeat .
Now this is a HUGE TIP USE IT OR LOSE IT LOL.

[falkor]

Yeah, I'm starting to see the flexibility with this system! Depending on how the beginning of the cycle goes will determine how the rest of the set will play out, and we should adapt our bet selection and progression in different situations based on some factors:
*Number of simultaneous open lines
*Number of repeats vs. closes

I haven't begun to formulate any rules just yet or how to bet, but I can already see the potential! The most obvious rule #1 is that if 3 lines close without a repeat then don't bother playing for the 4th line; however, once all other rules are formulated I'm confident that at that stage we would already be in a profit, and there may be a way to further exploit that currently feared situation based on other signatory factors from the beginning of the cycle that are not yet understood.

With the right analysis and testing I think it may even be possible to WIN EVERY SET! That's what makes this system so exciting.

[warrior]

 

[falkor]

Current analysis: 6/7 times when 6 lines opened simultaneously was during the beginning of the cycle without any repeats. The biggest challenge towards the end of the worst of those sets took 5 spins to close - yep you've guessed it - the 4th line.

Only once did 6 lines open during the later levels (level 2 or 3), but that only took 3 spins to close the 4th line.

One way to play this situation might be to stop betting if several pairs of lines start to open at the beginning of a cycle without any repeats (betting should be paused somewhere between 3-6 simultaneously opened lines during the first instance). You then wait until 6 lines have gone back down to 5 before betting is resumed: play 5>4 and 4>3, but do not attempt to close the 4th line (3>2) until we figure out how to deal with that in the future. You would lose a few chips flat betting at the beginning, but should be able to recoup or even make a profit by playing 5>4>3 with the potential for repeats on 2/6 sets:

betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
2nd line closed
0 spins
3rd line closed
stop

betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
Repeat line!
2 spins
2nd line closed
0 spins
3rd line closed
stop

betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
2nd line closed
0 spins
3rd line closed
stop

betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
2nd line closed
1 spin
3rd line closed
stop

betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
2nd line closed
0 spins
3rd line closed
stop

betting paused
Open: 6
betting paused
Open: 5
0 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
2nd line closed
1 spin
3rd line closed

That's not to say we couldn't handle 5 spins for the 4th line, but I just don't know the maximum for that situation right now (I doubt if it would ever reach 10 spins like the worst situation when we get 3 early closes without any repeats as discussed previously)

[falkor]

I think betting should be paused at 5 open lines unless there has been 1 or more closures or repeats, so that's a flat-betting loss of about 1+2+3+4 = 10. The 2 closing bets (repeats notwithstanding) should then be progressed starting at 5 then 4 - minimum - based on the increasing pay-outs covering less double streets over time. Of course, I'm only looking at the worst situations right now. Normally we would be spending most time at the cash desk cashing out!

[JimmieB]

Hi Falkor,

Glad to see you're taking an interest this one

Of the sessions I sent to Warrior, some of them had won on the completion of the 4th DS, others the 5th. My thoughts are you don't bet anymore than 3 x DSs at a time, and you are hoping to have reached your target when the 4th street completes, if not you aim for the 5th street completing to hit your target, I was also wondering if there was a change from betting from the actual DSs when you have 3 complete the betting the actual numbers in the remaining DS(s) until the 4th/5th are complete, as I'm led to believe the progression can get high towards the end, and large BR is required, hence my thinking of betting on the actual numbers at some stage, I do believe the hot spots are when your aiming to fill the 4th DS after completion of the 3 x DSs, or the filling of the 5th DS, after 4 x DSs have completed. I think there are several stages to this system, not all of which you have to play, depending on your current situation....

Jim

[falkor]

Hi JimmieB, I'll take a look at your suggestions and get back to you.

BTW, I think I've figured out what warrior might have been referring to during some earlier pages of this topic: one of the challenges is whether to play for closure of the 4th line, but in most of those situations - particularly when 6 lines have opened prior - we are left with this:

Spin 6: Open: 6 Closed: 0
Spin 9: Open: 3 Closed: 3

0: 0 1 3 4 5 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 18 19 20 21 23 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 34 35 36

1: 2 6 7 12 17 22 24 25 33

>1:

So I guess this is where we switch to playing the once appeared single numbers in the hope of getting a repeat!  (on 2nd thoughts perhaps what JimmyB is suggesting might be safer)

I think this system is everything winkel's gut should have been - but isn't! 

Here was the best set, but this also had 5 lines open at one time:
2 spins
1st line closed
3 spins
Repeat line!
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spin
Repeat line!
0 spins
2nd line closed
2 spins
Repeat line!
0 spins
3rd line closed
0 spins
Repeat line!
1 spins
4th line closed

0: 0 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 18 21 22 24 25 27 30 33 34

1: 19 20 26 28 29 31 35 36

>1: 6 10 17 23 32

And here's where we play the sleepers!!  (edit: this is probably not such a hot idea)

[falkor]

Hi Falkor,

Glad to see you're taking an interest this one

Of the sessions I sent to Warrior, some of them had won on the completion of the 4th DS, others the 5th. My thoughts are you don't bet anymore than 3 x DSs at a time, and you are hoping to have reached your target when the 4th street completes, if not you aim for the 5th street completing to hit your target, I was also wondering if there was a change from betting from the actual DSs when you have 3 complete the betting the actual numbers in the remaining DS(s) until the 4th/5th are complete, as I'm led to believe the progression can get high towards the end, and large BR is required, hence my thinking of betting on the actual numbers at some stage, I do believe the hot spots are when your aiming to fill the 4th DS after completion of the 3 x DSs, or the filling of the 5th DS, after 4 x DSs have completed. I think there are several stages to this system, not all of which you have to play, depending on your current situation....

Jim

Somebody else already tested that it may not always be possible to close the 5th DS within 37 spins, but then there could be circumstances that means it will complete sooner. However, from what I've seen of trying to complete the 4th DS - that's as far as I'll probably go! The larger BR is needed because the 4th/5th take longer and more losses need chasing, and I haven't discovered any golden opportunity or hot spots unless it involves moving onto the numbers.

As for betting only 3 DS' it seems we can increase to 4 and 5 with almost certain chance of completing depending on whether we had any wins up to that point in the cycle.

I'm sure warrior doesn't have all rules set in stone just yet, and is hoping that we might discover ideas based on the concepts and clues he provides so that we might independently reach some of his same conclusions. That way it becomes more of a community effort - thanks to the foundation laid by warrior!

[falkor]

My simulator was set to play 6 DSs, but I'm going to change to 5 (which it should have been set to), and also test 4 and 3 to see how that affects the gaps between "jumps"/levels. Closing 1/6 open DS was not meant to count as a jump, but there was only 7 sets like that so no biggie.

[falkor]

Maximum gaps after 270 Sets x 37 spins / 10,000 spins

Level 0 to Level 1: 5
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 4
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 1
Level 9 to Level 10: 1

Playing 4 DS instead of 5 now looks like this:

Level 0 to Level 1: 6
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 8
Level 5 to Level 6: 6
Level 6 to Level 7: 4
Level 7 to Level 8: 2
Level 8 to Level 9: 0
Level 9 to Level 10: 1

Hardly any difference. Up next: playing up to 3 DS' only and also looking at the possibility of closing 5 DS'.

[falkor]

If you try to close 5 DSs then the gaps look like this:
Level 0 to Level 1: 6
Level 1 to Level 2: 7
Level 2 to Level 3: 9
Level 3 to Level 4: 10
Level 4 to Level 5: 16
Level 5 to Level 6: 13
Level 6 to Level 7: 10
Level 7 to Level 8: 12
Level 8 to Level 9: 9
Level 9 to Level 10: 1
Level 10 to Level 11: 5

Level 4 to 10 generally have 2 DS' in play simultaneously, so you could consider completing DS 5 if you are at level 6 to 10 (to be on the safe side maybe only 8-10 by the time I've tested 1 million spins).

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