Some ideas on table layout betting. (Subject modified)

[falkor]

Thanks warrior! This is the most interesting system I've analysed to date. I've even put my own system on hold, as this is also looking like the best and most profitable system. I'm re-running the 1 mil test before I attach the data, and I've introduced one more important stat:
New longest set @ 14 spins (set: 1)
New longest set @ 15 spins (set: 4)
New longest set @ 23 spins (set: 7)
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 23
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 39
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 66
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 71
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 112
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 173
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 195
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 282
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3 Set: 290
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 313
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 329
New longest set @ 25 spins (set: 336)
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 397
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 446
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 451
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 480
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 480
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 534
open = 6 Closed: 0 Set: 565
New longest set @ 27 spins (set: 567)

[falkor]

Longest set was exactly 37 spins! (see attached)

[falkor]

Here's a tally of the most interesting sets with the number of occurrences of each type:

gap0 = 7 Open: 4 Closed: 0   11
gap0 = 7 Open: 5 Closed: 0   59
gap0 = 7 Open: 6 Closed: 0   143

gap1 = 10 Open: 2 Closed: 1   1
gap1 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 1   8
gap1 = 10 Open: 5 Closed: 1   7

gap2 = 10 Open: 3 Closed: 2   4
gap2 = 10 Open: 4 Closed: 2   6

gap3 = 14 Open: 1 Closed: 3   2
gap3 = 14 Open: 2 Closed: 3   35
gap3 = 14 Open: 3 Closed: 3   66
gap3 = 14 Open: 4 Closed: 2   1

gap4 = 17 Open: 2 Closed: 3   1
gap4 = 17 Open: 3 Closed: 3   2

gap5 = 16 Open: 1 Closed: 3   1
gap5 = 16 Open: 2 Closed: 3   1
gap5 = 16 Open: 3 Closed: 3   1

gap6 = 13 Open: 2 Closed: 3   2

gap7 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3   5
gap7 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3   28

gap8 = 6 Open: 2 Closed: 3   1
gap8 = 6 Open: 3 Closed: 3   8
gap8 = 6 Open: 4 Closed: 2   1

gap9 = 5 Open: 3 Closed: 3   7

gap10 = 3 Open: 3 Closed: 3   3


All 6 DSs opening without a close happens about 2% of the time.

26 sets out of 72705 went over the 30 spin mark:

Long set @ 31 spins (set: 1085)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 10853)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 11945)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 23244)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 40024)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 48658)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 61834)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 70564)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 7986)
Long set @ 31 spins (set: 9694)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 17973)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 28181)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 28715)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 3397)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 40963)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 59504)
Long set @ 32 spins (set: 62825)
Long set @ 33 spins (set: 48196)
Long set @ 33 spins (set: 48757)
Long set @ 33 spins (set: 69937)
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 30309)
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 5533)
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 62868)
Long set @ 34 spins (set: 68509)
Long set @ 37 spins (set: 32009)
Long set @ 37 spins (set: 55231)

[falkor]

Here's what the above test results are telling us:

Level 0

The beginning of the cycle can go up to 8 losses if no repeats or closes are forthcoming, and this is when all 6 DSs are likely to open up 2% of the time, but since you begin flat-betting any concluding progression is unlikely to get out of hand. And due to certain dangers in the later levels you may decide to pause betting at 5 open DSs and recoup on the way down, so to speak. Warrior would have already carried on playing, but with no more than 3 DSs trying to corner the shepherd (double streets in the same dozen) instead of the black sheep. Anyway, these first few levels are crucial to understanding how the rest of the set could will out.

Level 1

If you got here via a repeat then you are safe! If you've closed the first DS outright without a repeat then there's a danger of encountering 14 losses in a row - mostly when there are 4 or 5 DSs open, so if you are in this situation then prepare to pause betting or enable a stop loss, unless you are only playing 3 DSs ala Warrior. However, this could be a dangerous situation for warrior as well?

Level 2

Again, if you had 1 or 2 repeats to get here then you are safe. If not then you would have closed 2 outright without a repeat. There's now a danger of 15 losses in a row with 3 or 4 open. I'm sure there's situations, though, where 2 DSs can open and close quickly without going above 2 open simultaneously, in which case you would be safe; same with the Level 1 risk above.

Level 3

Here's the most risky level of all. You've had 3 closes, but no repeats. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CLOSE THE 4TH DS! In fact, you should have already paused betting by now. I don't know what warrior would do, and here 3 DSs are in play. Is there some hidden exploitation for this #1 worst situation? Could this be some kind of golden opportunity in terms of betting numbers? Nothing has repeated, and it should have done by now, so perhaps moving onto individual unhit numbers of the remaining 3 DSs is the way to go?

Levels 4 - 6

There's more dangers here when trying to close the 4th DS, though they are quite rare, so perhaps a stop loss is needed rather than trying to avoid the situation entirely.

Levels 7 - 10

If you get this far then you are very safe thanks to the repeats you had during the beginning of the cycle. The only one to watch out for is trying to close the 4th DS at level 7. Levels 8-10 = GO FOR GOLD = start the progression at a higher value to normal as you won't need to double up more than 5-7 times - even when trying to close the 4th DS!

[Orochi]

RULE: I don't close the DS with a repeater, only close it when the second unique number appear.


Probability from data analyzed:

10.003.431 spins
270.363 cycles (37 spins)


--- 3 DS---

Close
270.361(times)
99,9992602538
Not Close
2 (times)
0,0007397462%


--- 4 DS---

Close
269.317
99,6131127410%
Not Close
1.046 (times)
0,3868872590%

--- 5 DS---

Close
234,213 (times)
86,6290875601%
Not Close
36.150 (times)
13,3709124399%

[falkor]

On my tests on 10 millions spins.

RULE: I don't close the DS with a repeater, only close it when the second unique number appear.


I can confirm that 3 DS always close on the 37 spins cycle.

I will post the what is the probability of 4 DS don't close in the 37 cycle.
Still testing , but until now the probability is very very low, sometimes it pass 1 million spins. I will post the results soon.

Yep - the DSs in my simulations are all closed through a 2nd unique number, but I jump a level if I get a repeater or close.

I got the 4th DS to close within a 37 spin cycle @ 1 million spin test. With 10 million it could go just over the 37 spin mark to close the 4th DS.

Thanks! I look forward to your results and any tips you and warrior can suggest in order to take advantage of certain situations! 

[falkor]

Level 3: I've got a 31 step progression for 8 numbers, but we are only playing 6 numbers so there is toleration for more losses than shown here: (EDIT: I think this chart is inaccurate but it's not that far off the true number of steps)

1   1   28
2   1   19
3   1   10
4   1   1
5   2   19
6   2   1
7   3   10
8   4   11
9   5   3
10   7   14
11   9   8
12   12   13
13   16   21
14   21   24
15   27   14
16   35   11
17   46   27
18   59   10
19   77   28
20   99   13
21   128   17
22   165   12
23   213   18
24   274   3
25   353   3
26   455   14
27   586   20
28   754   13
29   970   5
30   1248   4
31   1606   18

And the max losses is only 21 for level 3! So maybe we should also switch to individuals numbers - excluding repeats - for levels 4-10 where the danger is less and the profit is more?

[warrior]

I believe that this method is the way to win consistently with this game .
GREAT job to all the testers you will not need anything else.

[Orochi]

Tomorrow i will post an update tracker with possible bets.

keep tuned 

[falkor]

Excellent guys! Looking forward to the tracker, which sounds like it will be more than a tracker even!

BTW, when we are trying to close the 4th DS there will be 15 numbers to bet (not 6), so perhaps the opposite is true: we should only consider moving to numbers when we are ultra safe due to repeats.

I'm next going to test and compare the distribution of losing streaks - per set - based on the sets that were highlighted above from previous testing. My hypothesis is that if a single level has a long losing streak then the rest will have quick wins! So this next test is going to be explosive... 

[falkor]

--- 3 DS---

Close
270.361(times)
99,9992602538
Not Close
2 (times)
0,0007397462%


--- 4 DS---

Close
269.317
99,6131127410%
Not Close
1.046 (times)
0,3868872590%

I got the exact same results with my tests, but I only tested 1 million, so I closed all 4th DSs by the 37th spin exactly. My percentages will be the same. I did not test the 5th DS though:

--- 5 DS---

Close
234,213 (times)
86,6290875601%
Not Close
36.150 (times)
13,3709124399%

Though I wouldn't have thought about playing this, there are definitely opportunities to consider it if we've closed the 4th DS in style and had a solid session along the way. I hope to find out the exact conditions by the end of the week. 87% is much higher than I thought.

[falkor]

warrior, what name should this system (and variations) be known by? DS Destruction? Warrior System?

[falkor]

This system is SICK! Wait until you see these new test result OMFG.... 

Roulette has been totally destroyed!!! 

[warrior]

warrior, what name should this system (and variations) be known by? DS Destruction? Warrior System?
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Yes I like the name  DS Destrucion.

[warrior]

If your at for example spin 15  and you have closed out 4 DS you would have 22 spin left to close 37 spins ,so therefore you would calculate your profit and see now how much you want to risk verses the amount of spins left and here we would never give back what we have made .
So for Example my goal was 12 units  I have 22 spins  I would  only have 9 chances flat bet to make extra units I would stop win on 3 units meaning I never go below 3 ,if you progress on the 5th  line you take the chance of the law of third to manifest it self ,results can be sleepers . You must always pay attention on your bank and calculate from there ,sometime I play the 5th out of boredom so I will finish the cycle but I have enough profits to do this .Progression on the 5th would have to be determined by your PROFITS.ok there's your tip of the day.


This method I give to you as a early Christmas gift .
Regards Warrior