I am a new member from Australia. We only have one zero here and looking for a low risk strategy doubling up on the dozen. At a local club we have a physical wheel mechanically driven maybe at a constant speed with the ball also mechanically delivered also maybe at a constant speed. Bets are placed on screens with a minimum of 1 unit and a maximum of 100 (but could commandeer 3 screens) . Would this type of table be more inclined to indicate a bias or is bias a myth? Look forward to hearing any comments
Quote from: Paul The Octopus on May 08, 01:02 AM 2011
I am a new member from Australia. We only have one zero here and looking for a low risk strategy doubling up on the dozen. At a local club we have a physical wheel mechanically driven maybe at a constant speed with the ball also mechanically delivered also maybe at a constant speed. Bets are placed on screens with a minimum of 1 unit and a maximum of 100 (but could commandeer 3 screens) . Would this type of table be more inclined to indicate a bias or is bias a myth? Look forward to hearing any comments
Paul, The answer to this question seems to be yes, there is a bias. It appears that with airball machines like yours there is a definite tendency for recent numbers to hit again a little sooner than random would dictate.
For a system that has been played on and developed for airball machines by Flatino, a highly respected and venerable member of this forum, please read his "Promised Constant Winning Bet" system under "Full Systems".
The airball favoring tweak to his original system begins around the last 50 or so replys.
If you have any questions, just post them under that thread and someone will be glad to help you get up to speed.
Good Luck,
George
I don't know much about wheel bias, but I suspect these closed in airball machines don't get cleaned nearly as often as a normal live wheel would. So maybe check your wheel out for grubby marks, bits of fluff in the pockets, etc. Things like that could cause a bias here and there. You could then profile the wheel for a while and see if the blemishes are having any effect.
GLC
""""Paul, The answer to this question seems to be yes, there is a bias. It appears that with airball machines like yours there is a definite tendency for recent numbers to hit again a little sooner than random would dictate.""""
What you just told isn t happening and it will never happen. Simply because there is no logical explanation behind it.
Bias is a complete deferent thing. Bias doesn t care about the recent spoon numbers to hit again a little sooner.....and as i told this is a fallacy...
Bias is exactly what Skactus described.
As you know I have explored the phisics of the wheels (VB and Bias) so let me know some things more about you in this subject.
Thanks.
MM,
I have a good friend who "explored" calculus for quite a while. Doesn't know a think about calculus. "Exploring" something doesn't make you an expert on the subject, except in your own mind.
There are some of us who think differently than you on this subject. I've studied under the tutelage of Flatino who's studied and been involved in roulette longer than most members on this forum have been alive. In my mind, that trumps your self-promoted expertice on VB and Bias.
All your "bias" does is prevent you from taking advantage of the "bias" many of us are taking advantage of.
Octopus, Why not take a pencil and paper and track your airball machine as if you were playing Flatino's system and see how it performs. That way you can prove one way or the other without it costing you any money.
GLC
Who is Octapus?
GLC The word "Bias" has only 1 meaning when we speak about Roulette.
The Bias is happening because of some imperfections of some wheels.Those imperfections can be on the CONE , on the POCKETS PADS , on the FRETS .
This makes some of the numbets hitting MORE often that they should in the LONG RUN.....(sometimes also on the short RUN but this is just coinsidence...what we care is the LONG RUN)
A WHEEL doesn't HAVE MEMORY...SO IT CAN T KNOW WHAT IS RECENT AND WHAT IS OLD.
Yes I am an expert in Bias too....
I have studied the why this is happening and the how we can take advantage of it.
I have also enginiared softwares of finding the Chi square and I also have the gonzalez Pelagio Bias profesional software......
What you say is NOT Bias.....but even if we will give to what you say a different name...its still a falacy.
There can t be any reason on planet earth that can make a wheel stick to the recent spoon numbers. A WHEEL doesn't HAVE MEMORY...SO IT CAN T KNOW WHAT IS RECENT AND WHAT IS OLD.
IF a wheel has Bias the Biased(advantage play ) numbers will be hitting more often than they should on the Long RUN.....
Please when you hear or when you make something up in your mind, try to think IF there is a genuine reason behind it....If there isn t then its just a fallacy.
You should respect more the people that know more things about you.
When I say something I have the REASON(phisics or maths) of why this what I am saying is correct and TRUE.
Speaking with farts can t make any progress.
With the law of Phisics what you claimed :""" It appears that with airball machines like yours there is a definite tendency for recent numbers to hit again a little sooner than random would dictate.""" is completely INCORECT.
Phisics just can t work this way.
Now If what you say is happening, then its from an other Star Trek law...so sorry but its NOT in my league. :D
I hope I helped you in extending ur knowledje a little more.
A WHEEL doesn't HAVE MEMORY...SO IT CAN T KNOW WHAT IS RECENT AND WHAT IS OLD.
Very good point!
Jon
Thank you Jon ;D.... its just simple phisics
Some feel that the bias of an airball machine has to do with the mechanical workings of the machine. Speed of wheel, speed at which ball is shot, timing between each spin.
On the airball machine I play on the ball always falls within an inch of exactly the same place on the non-moving part of the wheel. That indicates that the ball is being shot out at the exact speed each time. They do change the speed from day to day, but not during the day. The wheel appears to spin at a consistent speed also. These 2 factors can in fact be considered bias in the way I understand Paul's question.
I hope my answer has helped you Paul. Give it a test to see how your airball machine acts. Remember, take everything you read on this forum with a grain of salt, and sometimes a big grain, and test everything someone tells you.
Be convinced in your own mind before you risk hard earned money.
G
@ MM I agree that no live wheel has a memory but in regards to airball machines they are
cumputerized thus having a memory. The only way for these machines to immitate
random results is for them to throw to different sections of the wheel. As the results
are logged the machine ensures over a "long" period of time that all the numbers
appear evenly. When talking about bias for airball I think the word should be
changed to tendancies for it seems that repeats are more prevelent on these
machines. Just observations that I have made from playing these machines.
GJ
i have found GLC and DEEPRED analysis to be realistic and logicaly correct as i am going through sectoral analysis of wheel. some people tends to show their expertise and their main reason is selfsatisfaction to draw the crowds as people say empty jar makes the most noise. i have seen so many stars with mathematical density could not escape the gravitational pull of blackholes. these are dead people with E=MC2.
thanks
catalyst
It doesnt matter what the wheel does or remember.
The only thing they look that the wheel dont have a slight bias.
The crazy systems we make doesnt matter to them as long as they have the right frequence of the numbers on the screen.
Jon
I completely agree :thumbsup:
""""some people tends to show their expertise and their main reason is selfsatisfaction to draw the crowds as people say empty jar makes the most noise.""""
EMPTY JAR????? LoL... If you find my words empty Jar ,then i am so sorry but it means that you are completelly uneducated.
GLC what you just described from ur observation it is called Dealer Signature.
And No it doesn t happening in Auto Roulettes because if you will notice , the ball is NOT being released from the OUTCOME number. ]
If you will notice , the rotor is spining and sudently the ball is being released from a point that ANY number can be under the ball.....
So it just can allow the Dealer Signature patterns to happen even if the ball is exactly the same and the rotor speed is also exactly the same in every spin.
There you go......maybe u learned something today.....(But i really don t think so )
MM,
The timing on the airball machine I play is exact. The ball is shot out at exactly the same second each minute from exactly the same spot at exactly the same speed. The wheel lifts for the ball to drop down for the next play at exactly the same second of the minute. With all this timing repeating, you can calculate where the ball lands based on the previous number to within a reasonable range on the wheel.
The thing that makes it less predictable is that the ball is very light and bounces a lot most spins. When I track patterns where the ball doesn't bounce a lot, I get pretty accurate within a dozen numbers.
So far I have never lost when playing for this airball machines footprint. There is just enough tendency for the ball to land in a pre-calculated range to be a better bet than just picking a section to bet on at random.
Paul, all MM is trying to do is win an argument. Not try to give you helpful advice. Even though I appear to be answering M & M's comments, they are really designed for you so you can check these tendencies on your air-ball machine. Some function quite a bit differently than mine. The machine here is only a quarter machine and so I don't think they are that concerned about it creating a short term footprint as long as over a long period of time the numbers come in close to the true odds for random.
All you can do is test yours to see if there is a BIAS toward repeats.
As stated earlier, some machines definitely tend toward repeating more than expected and, maybe not every time, but sometime this results in a system winning at a better rate than expected.
G
Paul, all MM is trying to do is win an argument. Not try to give you helpful advice.
This is not true.
GLX(LoL) if you see that the ball is being released from the same number every time and as you also said the ball makes the same revolutions(same ball speed) from the released time till the droping time and the rotor have the same speed in every spin + IF the wheel is tilted (if the ball is hitting most of the times a certain Diamond and drop in rotor) then YOU CERTAINTLY have a seccesfull Dearer Signature.
What I advice you is that before start play , obsearve at least 100 spins (of the same direction of ball) and watch the average JUMP of the ball....... If you will see that the jump of the ball has an average pattern then place your bets at this average pattern.
With this way there is no agrument that you are indeed playing with an Advantage play way !!!!!!
As you see GLC I am not a bad person. :)
All I want is trying to help.
Its really sad that you think that I only want to win an agrument.
My advide is to play a wheel sector of 5 bets, the certain prediction+ the 2 and 2 neibours of the prediction. You can use the race track for this and with just 1 click on the screen you will have your bet placed.
If your observation is correct ( Tilted wheel+average ball jump+same released number of the ball+same ball speed + same rotor speed) then you are playing a TRUE Dealer Signature.
BUT I must help you worning you that I don't think that all those things are happening in your Auto wheel....simply because the manufacture company could NOT make such a BIG mistake in making a kind of wheels that are so predictable.
From chatting with High Pro Advanatge Players all over the word , NOONE have found a wheel like that.
WOW the funny thing about your last reply MM is what you say to play is the exact thing I have been persuing if you read some of my threads about going to vegas. Airball seeing it is computerized has to follow some sort of sequence. From what I have noticed on the machines here in canada is that if you follow the last 2 numbers thrown and their 2 neighbors on each side you get more hits than normal. Having said that I have never really looked at live wheels much seeing the min bets to play them are more than I am willing to spend so the phenomina of it happining live could be the same. Anyway would like to hear what some of advantage players do in following airball and if there is something that works well in attacking these machines. Thanks for your imput.
GJ
As i already posted my friend you need all of those factors to be happening.
Tilted wheel+average ball jump+same released number of the ball+same ball speed + same rotor speed
If the only thing that is missing is that the ball isn t releasing from the same number , then you must be watching in every spin from what number the ball was spoon (look the number under the ball ) and make the proper calculations in order to find the betting number that has the average distance.The average destance conclusion must be made from at least 100 spins of the same ball direction....IF and only IF you see that thers is indeen a pattern then and only then you can bet and win.
DEAR MM
nothing is personal here.
ther are few forum members who are always contributing in a orderly and positive fashion. these are highly respected members such as GLC, FLATINO, Hermes,Atlantis, Twisteruk, katilla, Johnlegend, Carsch, Albalah, thomas grant---some great roulette mind. these people actually are the forum's guiding members. instead of putting themselves and their expertise in a show, they have developed a 'tendency to assist' forum members in practical way. i have noticed you in different threads, how you operate--with theorizing, brutalizing, vandalizing the topics---to win the argument and show your Einsteinism that always makes you the best clown in the forum.
again, nothing is personal. you rectify yourself.
thanks
catalyst
Dear Catalist the members that you just mentioned as highly respected members and forum's guiding members , all they do is moving in the shadows of Gampling Fallacy.
What I am posting is ALWAYS correct maths and physics ....
If those members are so good as you say, they why they haven t came up with a true Long Run winning method?
I have read all posts of those members and what I have seen is losing recycled ideas of the past.
So speaking the truth isn t making someone showing his Einsteinism.
nothing is personal here , Just pure common sence and correct Maths and physics.
If you will read again all of my posts you will also see that everything that I am telling isn t just thoritical things..... all of what I say are proven maths and physics FACTS.
If I had invented new maths and physics then you could say that I am showing my Einsteinism. But it is surely not the case.
i really can t understand why when someone is showing how the things are(with facts) you are with attacking him.
I thought that you ppl in here like to have a correct guide.....but all I can see is that you don t like it.....
dear MM
havent you open your own 'school of thought' for the kangaroos in australia. your days are numbered. :-X :twisted:
thanks
catalyst
Quote from: MM on May 10, 08:02 AM 2011
Dear Catalist the members that you just mentioned as highly respected members and forum's guiding members , all they do is moving in the shadows of Gampling Fallacy.
What I am posting is ALWAYS correct maths and physics ....
If those members are so good as you say, they why they haven t came up with a true Long Run winning method?
I have read all posts of those members and what I have seen is losing recycled ideas of the past.
So speaking the truth isn t making someone showing his Einsteinism.
nothing is personal here , Just pure common sence and correct Maths and physics.
If you will read again all of my posts you will also see that everything that I am telling isn t just thoritical things..... all of what I say are proven maths and physics FACTS.
If I had invented new maths and physics then you could say that I am showing my Einsteinism. But it is surely not the case.
i really can t understand why when someone is showing how the things are(with facts) you are with attacking him.
I thought that you people in here like to have a correct guide.....but all I can see is that you don't like it.....
There are true long running winning methods at this forum.
Just Keep Your eyes open:
;-)
:girl_to:
Quote from: albertojonas on May 11, 10:52 AM 2011
There are true long running winning methods at this forum.
Just Keep Your eyes open:
;-)
:girl_to:
Witch pass the test point you wish?
Name me some system here that does it?
Cheers
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on May 11, 12:19 PM 2011
Witch pass the test point you wish?
Name me some system here that does it?
Cheers
Jon
Dear Jon,
Take a look at these threads:
Flatino's Promissed Winning bet
i-don't-support-anyone-with-any-system-unless-it's-mine
System based on Law of the third-need comments
enjoy :o