I just read this thoroughly in Monte Carlo Anecdotes
question for those who use this method
progression: 1, 2, 3, 6
bets:
bet 1-same as last
bet 2-opposite of last
bet 3-same as last
bet 4-opposite of last
correct?
so if red shows your next bet is red. if black shows then your next bet is red.
sometimes i play baccarat. i will try this on that
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 31, 07:18 PM 2014
I just read this thoroughly in Monte Carlo Anecdotes
question for those who use this method
progression: 1, 2, 3, 6
bets:
bet 1-same as last
bet 2-opposite of last
bet 3-same as last
bet 4-opposite of last
correct?
so if red shows your next bet is red. if black shows then your next bet is red.
sometimes i play baccarat. i will try this on that
You're correct as long as you realize that you only increase the next bet if you lose. This is not like the forced win progression.
Another option that doesn't make any difference in the results is after a win, you always start by betting the Same as last. If you list out the 8 possibilities, you will see that you break even except for the zero. This is the result of all mechanical bet selections.
Cheers,
GLC
Preliminary testing on black red is solid
I can adapt this to 3 double streets
Bet 1- most 3 recent
Bet 2- opposite of 3 most recent
Bet 3- most 3 recent
Bet 4- opposite of most 3 recent
Does anyone see success this way?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 01, 12:11 PM 2014
Does anyone see success this way?
RGhost,
Please explain exactly what you mean by "see success".
I see success using this method. My success is defined as going to the casino with $50 for some recreation. $50 is enough for a quarter airball machine. I usually have about 2 hours to kill. Of course I rarely play this method since I have others I like to play more. They're no better than this method. It's just that I like playing them better.
My goal when playing this system is to play for 2 hours or until I lose $50 or win $50. Most of the time the 2 hours are what ends my trip. Meaning, I neither lose nor win $50. Overall, I am a loser in real play using this system.
If you're expecting this system to win continuously, it will only happen if you're lucky. After all this is a modified martingale as are all progressions that reset back to the beginning after each win.
So, my system where I add 1 unit to the bet size after each loss and reset to the beginning after each win is a modified martingale. It's very stable because I wait until I've seen 3 or 4 in a row of an even chance and then I start betting 1, if lose, 2, if lose, 3, if lose, 4, if win reset to 1.
I sometimes use a progression for recovery. So if I lose on the 5 unit bet or higher on the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 etc... line, I reset to 2 instead of 1. That means I play 2, if lose, 4, if lose, 6, if lose, 8 etc... If I lose on the 10 or higher bet at this level, I reset to 3 instead of 2 or 1. At 3 my bets are 3 - 6 - 9-12-15 etc...
GLC
GLC
thanks george
the author of that book seemed to believe his "authors system" was one of the best
Quote from: GLC on Nov 01, 01:04 PM 2014
I sometimes use a progression for recovery. So if I lose on the 5 unit bet or higher on the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 etc... line, I reset to 2 instead of 1. That means I play 2, if lose, 4, if lose, 6, if lose, 8 etc... If I lose on the 10 or higher bet at this level, I reset to 3 instead of 2 or 1. At 3 my bets are 3 - 6 - 9-12-15 etc...
GLC
GLC
I don't personally play EC's but I use this same type of "staging" on progressions with inside number methods and it works well there
It should be noted that this book was written in the early part of the 1900's making it about 100 years old. From reading it we see that things haven't changed that much as far as systems go.
The author suggests that we risk 36 chips to gain 10 chips. Winning 10 chips is a very doable thing with this system. Losing 36 is also doable. But not so often as winning 10 chips.
It's interesting that he is trying to indicate that the dreaded two's that we hit on the wrong step which causes us to lose every bet until they break or we skip a step to get in step with them is rarer than a run of 4 Reds or Blacks. That's a mis-statement on his part. The fact is it is equally as likely to encounter one as the other. Any mechanical bet selection for even chances works the same with this system.
It's a misperception I know, but I have had better luck waiting until I get 4 Reds or Blacks or Evens or Odds or Highs or Lows in a row and then bet against the run continuing. It takes a run of 8 in a row to defeat you and you get plenty of playing opportunities tracking all 6 e.c.s. I can only attribute winning to luck because mathematically there should be no advantage gained by waiting else we'd have the holy grail and it doesn't take too long to realize that we don't have it here.
By taking 50 units to the casino and playing 1-2-4-8, I've never lost all 50 units. I'd have to not start out winning on any of the 4 attacks possible with 50 units and I always win enough to at least cover the extra 10 units plus more.
I don't use the author's 1-2-3-6 progression because it doesn't give you any advantage to do so. You might as well play a standard 4 step marty so you win 1 unit on every win. The additional wins make up for the 3 extra units you lose on 4 losses in a row. If you have the bank roll, you could even play 1-3-7-15, the Grand Marty for more rapid action. A little extra investment, but the additional winnings balance everything out and the action is faster.
As always, to each his own.
GLC
Thanks george
So with authors system if you wait for a streak of 4 then begin it is hard to be defeated
Quote from: GLC on Nov 02, 12:13 AM 2014
It's a misperception I know, but I have had better luck waiting until I get 4 Reds or Blacks or Evens or Odds or Highs or Lows in a row and then bet against the run continuing. It takes a run of 8 in a row to defeat you and you get plenty of playing opportunities tracking all 6 e.c.s. I can only attribute winning to luck because mathematically there should be no advantage gained by waiting else we'd have the holy grail and it doesn't take too long to realize that we don't have it here.
By taking 50 units to the casino and playing 1-2-4-8, I've never lost all 50 units. I'd have to not start out winning on any of the 4 attacks possible with 50 units and I always win enough to at least cover the extra 10 units plus more.
I don't use the author's 1-2-3-6 progression because it doesn't give you any advantage to do so. You might as well play a standard 4 step marty so you win 1 unit on every win. The additional wins make up for the 3 extra units you lose on 4 losses in a row. If you have the bank roll, you could even play 1-3-7-15, the Grand Marty for more rapid action. A little extra investment, but the additional winnings balance everything out and the action is faster.
A possible offset (I don't want to say insurance as it would be a separate stand-alone bet looking to make it's own profit) that could take some of the edge off a stiffer progression like a Grand on the break the streak play... would be to play the 4 number bet that triggered the bet. It seems that the streak continues a decent amount of time (losing the break the streak EC bet) with a repeat of one of the four original numbers.
You could play the four numbers as a stand-alone 4 spin bet...or you could abandon it as soon as you win the EC and pick it up again on the next attack.
If you had the bankroll...
Play a Grand Martingale as George references and if you lose it pick up the next attack at 10-30-70-150 if your testing shows 2 in a row are highly unlikely and get back a chunk of the preceding EC loss. It obviously opens you up to a catastrophic loss if you do lose two in a row...it is gambling after all. If the 70-150 is bad against table limit or bankroll maybe stay with the Grand but backup to the 7 level to recommence. Then play the 4 number bet with a fibo for the real money. My fibo on a four number bet is 1u for 6 spins (24 total units bet)...then 2 for 3 (24 more)...3 for 3 (36 more)...5 for 3 more...etc. back 2 stages on a win.
This is of course a... play it to win it strategy... on the money management. You need to get out of the casino once you get to your number. It's not a play for everyone for sure.
It will leave you licking your wounds from time to time but if you actually left with your previous winnings you should be okay...if you hung around after getting your wins and ended up giving some or all of it back it will only make you lose that much more that much faster...just sayin'
The authors system wins a lot of the time. Wonder why noone talks about it. Its a good strategy
36 units Roulette key? Its 1 2 3 6 thats 12 units
ummmm did you speed read the number 36 out of my reply and then just go with that?
I wasn't even referring to the main bet when I referenced 36units...
If it would be easier you can just delete my posts to the thread to end the confusion
no i read your post
im just confused as to why you said risk 36 units
nevermind it was directed to GLC who will take it more nicely then you did anyways
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 04, 05:57 PM 2014
no i read your post
im just confused as to why you said risk 36 units
nevermind it was directed to GLC who will take it more nicely then you did anyways
RouletteGhost, I haven't read the article for a while, but I was thinking that the author suggested using 3 banks of 12 units each to risk winning 10 units. Of course this isn't written in stone but is a good ratio of win target to stop loss. Maybe a little high, but not out of reason.
GLC
P.S. I said that I was doing well playing after a run of 4. Each person should test to see if they like the system or not.
its one of the more simpler systems
just to clarify
high...then bet high
low...then bet high
low....then bet low
high...then bet low
Correct. Just play Same as last, Opposite as last, Same as last, Opposite as last, Same as last etc...
Another simple system the author likes quite a bit is the Wrangler's system.
link:://archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/100/mode/2up (link:://archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/100/mode/2up)
It has an interesting betting method which can be used with the author's system if preferred.
GLC
I read the wrangler system. Cant exactly wrap my head around it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 04, 11:33 PM 2014
I read the wrangler system. Cant exactly wrap my head around it
Here's a quick summary of it.
Play follow-the-last until you lose 2 times in a row. Switch to the other even chance until you lose 2 times in a row.
Bets are a 4 step capped martingale, 1-2-4-8. Once you lose 4 times in a row, and once again it's the terrible two's that cause you to lose or a zero hitting at the wrong time, you will have lost 15 units. Try to recover these 15 units with a labby or cancellation method.
Use this line 2-3-2-3-2-3 for your labby line. Any time you lose 30+ more units you will be down about 45 units and your bets will be getting rather large so split your 45 units into 3 separate labby lines of 2-3-2-3-2-3 and try to resolve each line separately. If one of these lines gets down 45 units, split that into 3 more lines etc... Once you split a labby line because it's getting too large, all you're trying to do is get back to even for the day.
Throughout both the 1-2-4-8 and the labby you continue to play the same bet selection which is follow-the-last until 2 losses and then switch.
To make it less aggressive you can use the author's suggestion of 1-2-3-6 and if you lose 4 in a row you can use a labby of 2-3-2-3-2 for recovery.
Hope this helps,
GLC
just wanted to say, on roulette and baccarat even chances this system performs very well FYI
I have a question for some of you math guys.
First some theory. The standard cancellation method touts wiping out two losses for every win. This is only true if you start with no line at all. So you flat bet 1 unit until you lose. Once you lose your line is this 1 . You are now in recovery mode so you bet 1 unit which is the sum of your leftmost number and your rightmost number. In this case there's only 1 number. If you lose again, your write you lost units to the right end of the line and it looks like this 1 1 . Your next bet is 2 If you lose that your line looks like this 1 1 2 , and your next bet is 3 units. Let's say we lose again betting 3 units so our line now looks like 1 1 2 3 . If we win the next bet of 4 units, we will cross off the leftmost number and the rightmost number and our line is 1 1 2 3 . Another win betting 3 and we have eliminated our line. That's 4 losses and 2 wins. So, in this case we do recover 2 losses with 1 win. We are even to where we were before we started the cancellation method. So all wins are from our 1 unit flat betting and all recovery comes from our cancellation method and is just to recover lost units only.
But what if we start with 1 1 1 1 1 as our line. Now 4 losses in a row will give us this line 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 4 5. Two wins will not recover the 4 losses. We will still be 3 units down and our line will look like this 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 4 5 .
So, if we start out with 2 3 2 3 2 3 and reach a point where we have to split into 3 ea lines of 2 3 2 3 2 3, can we determine how many losses are recovered by each win. My gut feeling is the more we split, the fewer losses we recover with each win.
If we always recovered 2 losses with 1 win, we should be able to win continuously without having to bet large bets by just splitting lines every time they get 3 times larger than our starting line. I've tested this enough to know that that doesn't happen.
Here's an idea for those who want to grind out a few chips. Let's play 10 cancellation lines. Here's how we can play. Start with no cancellation lines. Flat bet 1 unit. ALL WINS at this flat bet level go into profit. When we have a loss write down a 1 to start our 1st cancellation line. Go back to our flat bet until we have another loss which begins our 2nd cancellation line. We might have 3 losses in a row and that would be the start of 3 more cancellation lines. So now we would have 5 cancellation lines starting with a 1 like this:
1
1
1
1
1
We keep playing in this manner until we get 10 cancellation lines starting with a 1 like this:
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
From now on we start playing our cancellation lines starting with a 1 unit bet on our 1st line. A win and we cross it off and move to our 2nd cancellation line. We play each line 1 time and then move to the next line. Any time we cross off a line completely, it is out of play and we have 1 less cancellation line. We continue to play until we eliminate all 10 lines or we have enough losses in a line that it adds up to 10 units at which time we start 10 more lines. Every time we have 1 line that adds up to 10, we set them aside to be played out in their turn as 10 lines.
Continue in this manner until you reach a predetermined win target. This will be quite a grind, but my initial thoughts are that it should keep us in the game until we have a good streak of wins verses losses to bring us into profits.
What does this do to our 2 losses recovered by 1 win?
GLC
whoa cant wrap my head around that
maybe someone else can lol
i had an idea on how to implement the authors sytem
use it with great progression
same 1 unit
opposite 1 unit
same 1 unit
opposite 1 unit
if up or even stay at 1 unit. if down raise to 2 units for the next 4 bets
same 2 units
opposite 2 units
same 2 units
opposite 2 units
if even or up go back to 1 unit, if down go up to 3 units for the next 4
same 3 units
opposite 3 units
same 3 units
opposite 3 units
so on and so forth
may even work in the same matter but as a marty. 1 for 4 bets, 2 for 4 bets, 4 for 4 bets, and so on until you are back even or up
or might even work well with fool proof progression, after a set of 4 if down move up a unit, when up or even go down 1 unit and stay there until desired result
i think with tweaking the authors system can be a real bread winner, with the proper progression/money management
did a quick run with celtic casino live dealer baccarat, did well.....using the authors 1 2 3 6 i would have been down but with the great progression not too shabby
id like to play this with 5 cent units and watch the bankroll grow but celtic casino/5 dimes minimum is $1 and maximum $20
may try it
How about staying in the winning state (either "same", either "opposite") until a loss? Just for a tweak.
Example:
B NB - Set for "Same", bet B
B W - Maintain State until a loss
B W
B W
R L - Set for "Opposite", bet B
B W - Maintain until loss
R W
B W
B L - Bet "Same" - B
R L - Bet "Opposite" - B
R L - Bet "Same" . R
R W
Just to take advantage of streaks and chops. This would be as 100% mechanical as the Author's, but seems
easier to "go with the flow". What do you think?
Maybe a safe variation
Trying to figure out what outcome would kill it
I use link:s : // : netent com/games/table-games/roulette-pro-series/ for testing system weaknesses. It's a mean RNG that let's you win with whatever system you throw at it, for about 5 minutes. Then it'll destroy your bankroll with the most insane of outcomes. I think it's a good quick test.
So I tried this tweak on that rng and made around 40 units after some 70 trials. What kills it are the same chops of two that kill the Author's. RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB the thing just keeps on going and even throws two zeros back-to-back two times for good measure. I used Oscar's and D'Alembert progressions.
That 111-222-333 seems good. I'll try it later.
I dont know how to code and use the roulette softwares so I will test the authors version and your version to see which fairs better on live dealer online
I will do The 1unit for 4 bets and if down go to 2 units for 4 bets. Maybe even strings of 5 to 7 would be better than 4
Thanks
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 27, 09:35 AM 2014
I use link:s : // : netent com/games/table-games/roulette-pro-series/ for testing system weaknesses. It's a mean RNG that let's you win with whatever system you throw at it, for about 5 minutes. Then it'll destroy your bankroll with the most insane of outcomes. I think it's a good quick test.
On the above try inspired gaming there RNG soon kills ya
So I tried this tweak on that rng and made around 40 units after some 70 trials. What kills it are the same chops of two that kill the Author's. RR BB RR BB RR BB RR BB the thing just keeps on going and even throws two zeros back-to-back two times for good measure. I used Oscar's and D'Alembert progressions.
That 111-222-333 seems good. I'll try it later.
test mechanically on celtic live wheel like proof does. RNG is trash
Well yeah, real live spins just do their thing, not caring if you win or lose. RNGs on the contrary, have an agenda.
Just came back from the B&M casino. Flat-betting at a live table, lost two trials, won three and stopped. I'm aiming for 1 unit profit a day.
Won 3 out of 5 trials? If so u r a winner
I think I was just lucky. And truth be told, I played the minimum bets. 5 euro per trial, 5 euro profit. That was it. Just for testing.
One day I may start to bet 50 euro per trial. Make one unit, cash in, walk out.
So you did 5 sets of 4 bets? Same opposite same opposite?
And on what bet selection?
Thanks
No I just flat bet on 5 decisions. It went like this:
Last two decisions on the marquee were RB. A chop.
RED - No bet.
BLACK - so I will bet 1 unit that the chop continues. Bet RED
BLACK - lost. -1 unit in my pocket. Now I bet 1 for a streak. Bet BLACK
RED - lost again. -2. Bet 1 for the chop. Bet BLACK.
BLACK . WIN! -1. Keep betting on the chop. Bet RED
RED - WIN. Even. Keep betting on the chop. Bet BLACK
BLACK - WIN. +1! That's it for the day.
I haven't tried the 1111-2222-3333 yet. This bet selection looks good enough for flat betting and to win at least one unit a day. Although I reckon. without progressions if I step in on the wrong foot it can also turn into a long and troubled journey.
QuoteMaybe even strings of 5 to 7 would be better than 4
I too like the idea of using longer "strings" of unit betting also
I like to bet 2 EC's: RB and OE at roulette.
If RB or BR singles is showing then I bet for chop to continue.
If RBB or BRR is showing then I bet for sequence to end.
If OE or EO singles is showing then I bet for chop to continue.
If OEE or EOO is showing then I bet for sequence to end.
If RRR, BBB, OOO, or EEE shows no bet on that side until a new single shows up.
You are either betting 1, 2 or NONE each spin of the wheel.
33B
21R - bet 1u on B
23R - L-1 bet 1u on B
20B - W+1 bet 1u on R; bet 1u on O
11B - W+0 bet 1u on R; bet 1u on E
4B - W+0 bet 1u on O
13B - W+1 bet 1u on E
20B - W+1 bet 1u on O
5R - W+1 bet 1u on B; bet 1u on E
25R - L-2 bet 1u on B; Bet 1u on E
27R - L-2 no bet
6B bet 1u on R; 1u on O
19R W+2 bet 1u on B; 1u on E........
Profit= +1
Increase bets +1 on an EC bet string only if it is in minus after the 6 (or 7) bets on that side.
A.
thanks for the feedback guys
very soon I will test the original method in a B and M as well as the other variation: Same until lose then opposite until lose etc
the examples you guys gave are a bit different, but if you are winning thats all that matters
The following is nothing new, but I thought I'd insert it here as a good bet method to consider. It is the original Penthouse presentation for single dozens but as you will see it can be used just as well for even chances.
The Penthouse Betting Strategy
The bet line is…1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,5,5,5,6,6,6,7,7,7,8,8,8, etc…
The first bet of the series is 1unit until you lose. You then move up the series one bet at a time until you win. When you win you circle the bet (since I don’t know how to circle a number with this word processor I will underline the winning bet) and cross off the two most recent losses in your series. Your next bet becomes the next one due in your new shortened series.
For example let's say you encountered the following run of decisions ...
L, L, L, W, L, L, L, L, L, W, W, L, W.
Your series after the first win would look like this ... 1 1 1 2
Here you can see that you have circled your first winner and crossed of your two most recent losses.
The next bet due in your series is now the second 1. After your second win your series would look like this ... 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 2 3
Here you can see that you have circled your second winner and again crossed of your two most recent losses. The next bet due in your series is now the second 2. After your third win your series would look like this ... 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 2 3 2
Here you can see that you have circled your third winner and again crossed of your two most recent losses. The next bet due in your series is now the third 1. After your fourth win your series would look like this ...
1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 2 3 2 1 2
Here you can see that you have circled your fourth winner and again crossed off your two most recent losses the next bet due in your series is now the second 1.
That’s how the Penthouse is played for single dozens. It’s can be stretched for less aggressiveness (1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6) or compressed for more aggressiveness (1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 ). Or, it can start out slow and skip numbers for more recovery power (also more risk) 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 7 7 7 9 9 9 11 11 11 1 13 13 13 15 15 15 18 18 18 21 21 21 24 24 24 etc. For single dozens you always circle your winner and cross off the last 2 losses then bet the new next number in the sequence.
The Penthouse can be used for any bet location. For example a Penthouse for the lines is: 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 etc… Just circle your winner and cross off the last 5 losing bets then the next bet will be the new number in the shortened sequence. Perfectly logical.
If you like single numbers just use 36 each 1’s, then 36 each 2’s, then 36 each 3’s etc… Circle every win and cross off the last 35 losing bets and continue with the next number in the shortened line.
One thing this does is you can reach a new high bank amount without having to cross off all the numbers in your line all the way back to the first 1. As a matter of fact, you will always reach a new high bank balance before getting back to the first 1.
The safest way is to play until you get back to even or +1 and then restart a new line. You can also play until you reach a win target but this will add more risk regarding the size of your bets. It will also shorten your playing time because you will reach your win target sooner by playing the line out rather than starting over after each win of +1.
Another example is Gr8Players progression for even chances: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 . You circle the winning bet and cross off the last losing bet then your next bet will be the next bet in the shortened sequence.
One final word of reminder. You don’t have a bet line written out before you start playing. You write down your next bet in the line as you need it. So every session or reset starts with a single 1 written down. This is your first bet.
There’s nothing new here, just repost for emphasis on it’s value.
GLC
thanks GLC
every play decision before last?
just played an entire baccarat shoe with a martingale playing decision before last and it was terrific
perhaps just luck
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 28, 09:40 AM 2014
thanks GLC
every play decision before last?
just played an entire baccarat shoe with a martingale playing decision before last and it was terrific
perhaps just luck
RG, Decision before Last is one of the most popular bet selection methods. You know the dangers of a martingale progression so no need to go there.
Decision before last, follow the last, opposite the last, same opposite same opposite, lose 2 then switch, bet Red only, bet black only, etc... all of these are the same in the long run. They do well on some sequences and not so good on other sequences. If you're going to play for the long run, might just as well pick an even chance and always bet on it for the rest of your life.
My favorite is follow the last until you have 2 losses then switch to opposite the last. If you get BRRBB switch to playing for 2 2 2 2 2 . The reason I do this is to keep me from going crazy when I bet on Red only and Black is hitting 2 to 1 over Red all evening. I know that the next visit Red could be hitting 2 to 1 over Black and I'll be rejoicing. But, I like following the trends.
GLC
Chops of two as in PP BB PP BB PP are what kills it. They can happen more often than we'd expect.
I wasn't so lucky yesterday in my first time at Celtic testing the Author's variation on roulette. I started out with 1000, flat betting 50 and won 600. Slowly I almost doubled the bank. I went "Wow! Imagine if that was real money!" Later on another session I used the Martingale for a quicker buck and went from 1600 to 0 in a few spins. Long runs of two are a real trouble for this system to succeed. And yep, I went "Auch! Imagine if that was real money!"
Quote from: GLC on Nov 28, 02:44 PM 2014
Decision before last, follow the last, opposite the last, same opposite same opposite, lose 2 then switch, bet Red only, bet black only, etc... all of these are the same in the long run. They do well on some sequences and not so good on other sequences. If you're going to play for the long run, might just as well pick an even chance and always bet on it for the rest of your life.
Only after playing for ten months I realized this truth. A fixed set of rules will not work against something that is always on the move. And the zeroes are there to make it worse. There's some saying "no matter how you stir it...", or something...
There's always something that kills it. And, for every mechanical bet selection method the "something" that kills it is just as bad as the "something" that kills all the others. If I were going to play something that resembles a martingale, I'd play the following:
If lose Bet If win
-1 1 +1
-3 2 +1
-7 4 +1
-15 8 +1
-28 13 -2
-51 23 -5
-92 41 -10
-164 72 -20
-293 129 -35
-536 243 -50
That's it. As you can see the more losses in a row you have after the 1st 4 bets, you lose units on a win. If you lose 10 bets in a row, you will lose 536 units. If you lose 9 bets in a row you will only lose 50 units after winning the 10th bet. That's the price you must pay to not lose 1,023 units on 10 losses of a standard martingale.
Try it. You might find it playable.
GLC
All EC fixed methods have their Nemesis, right? For FTL is a run of RBRBRB long enough to destroy a progression or your nerves. For DBL it's RBBRRBB. For S/O it's RBBRRBB as well, but only for half of the time. Anyone who read the book knows it. If last decision is B, RBBRRBB may kill you. If it's R, RBBRRBB feels like winning the lottery.
Now picture this: you're driving away in your car, you've reached a few crossroads, always green lights, you're moving on without stopping, everything's good. So far, an easy trip. Suddenly there's a large truck coming from your left at high speed, no brakes. You see it coming. What does common sense tell you?
I use the above example because yesterday the damned outcomes hit me like a truck. I had decided not to stop because I sticked to the rules and was too confident on my bankroll and my luck.
Once you identify your nemesis, just stop at first sight and let it pass. Wait a bit more, it could be carrying a trailer.
There's no such thing as being overly cautious in a game of negative expectation. Even if you'd survive the accident you'd still have to buy a new car.
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 28, 06:16 PM 2014
All EC fixed methods have their Nemesis, right? For FTL is a run of RBRBRB long enough to destroy a progression or your nerves. For DBL it's RBBRRBB. For S/O it's RBBRRBB as well, but only for half of the time. Anyone who read the book knows it. If last decision is B, RBBRRBB may kill you. If it's R, RBBRRBB feels like winning the lottery.
Now picture this: you're driving away in your car, you've reached a few crossroads, always green lights, you're moving on without stopping, everything's good. So far, an easy trip. Suddenly there's a large truck coming from your left at high speed, no brakes. You see it coming. What does common sense tell you?
I use the above example because yesterday the damned outcomes hit me like a truck. I had decided not to stop because I sticked to the rules and was too confident on my bankroll and my luck.
Once you identify your nemesis, just stop at first sight and let it pass. Wait a bit more, it could be carrying a trailer.
There's no such thing as being overly cautious in a game of negative expectation. Even if you'd survive the accident you'd still have to buy a new car.
Edit - GLC, I see you posted a reply while I was typing. I decided to post mine anyway. I write this so you know it's not directly adressed at you, because of the tone. It's just food for thought. By the timelapse between our replies I see that I take too long to elaborate a text thatÅ› not in my native language.
BTW thanks for the progression. A new way of thinking. Better lose 50 units than 1024 that's for sure. The idea of losing 536 units is still kinda scary, though.
theres also this
on a win you let the original bet plus winnings ride
all you have to do it manage to win 2 times in a row within 12 decisions and you are a WINNER
move up the ladder on a loss, on a win LET IT RIDE
i believe on craps this may be ALMOST full proof
just bet the pass line each time you are sure to win 2 times in a row within 12 decisions?
sounds easy doesnt it
see pic
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 28, 07:48 PM 2014
theres also this
on a win you let the original bet plus winnings ride
all you have to do it manage to win 2 times in a row within 12 decisions and you are a WINNER
move up the ladder on a loss, on a win LET IT RIDE
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It reminds of single dozen parlays. If you win 2 times in a row on a single dozen, by parlaying the winnings you profit 8 units.
But I used to bet 1 unit for 8 times.The sooner you win the parlay the more profit you make. If you only win the parlay by the 8th spin you brake even. If you lose the 8th, you start betting 2 units until the 16th spin and so on.
I could be mistaking but 2 times in row on even chance is not enough to recover full? And winning a 1/3 chance 2 times in a row could be hard sometimes? Or am i missing something here?
Grtz r
Hitting two times on a row on single doz/col doesn't happen all the time, I know that. I didn't say it's a HG.
For ECs it seems to work for 9 spins only. That table seems to be about 4:1 pays. We don't have Craps here. I don't know the rules, so I didn't comment.
Twice in a row recovers with profit on EC bets. Because the 2nd bet is a let it ride when you win the 1st bet.
Quote from: psimoes on Nov 29, 10:13 AM 2014
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For ECs it seems to work for 9 spins only.
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Sorry, I made a mistake here. Parlaying triples the first winning bet, so, if you bet 1 and lose, then bet 2 and lose, then bet 3 and lose, etc you can lose up to 6 times. You'll have to win the 7th bet and win the parlay to recover what you lost. 7x3=21, 21=6+5+4+3+2+1
George
Sorry, but I am struggling with the Penthouse for dozens
Its this I dont get
The next bet due in your series is now the second 1
I get the LW and crossing off the last 2 losses, but do we go back to the start after each win
So we start with 111222333444555
next bet could be 1223 after crossing off
Do we start at the beginning with out new look progression.
Turner,
L, L, L, W, L, L, L, L, L, W, W, L, W.
Your series after the first win would look like this ... 1 1 1 2
Here you can see that you have underlined your first winner and crossed of your two most recent losses.The two most recent losses can be misleading. What we do is cross off the two closest numbers to the left of our winner that haven't been cross off. In the above example they were immediately before the winner. So, as you can see, we have only a single 1 that is neither crossed off or underlined. In fact, it would be clearer to erase numbers that have been underlined or cross off. Then you can see what your next bet is more clearly.
The next bet due in your series is now the second 1. After your second win your series would look like this ... 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 2 3
Here you can see that you have underlined your second winner and again crossed of your two most recent losses. The next bet due in your series is now the second 2. After your third win your series would look like this ... 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 2 3 2
Here you can see that you have underlined your third winner and again crossed of your two most recent losses. Note that we had to skip the 2nd and 3rd 2 which were already crossed off. The next bet due in your series is now the third 1. This could be clearly seen if you erased all the numbers that are underlined or crossed off.After your fourth win your series would look like this ...
1 1 1 2 1 1 2 2 2 3 2 1 2
Here you can see that you have underlined your fourth winner and again crossed off your two most recent losses that haven't been crossed off. The next bet due in your series is now the second 1.
After each win, we look back to find the closest losses that haven't been crossed off and cross them off. Then we look at the last loss that hasn't been crossed off to determine what our next bet will be.
I hope that helps. Please go to the system titled The Penthouse ... in the collection of systems posted in this forum.
Thanks george, you are the dogs bollox
Something about the Author's system has just crossed my mind: it may win with the dirty doubles and it may lose. OK but due to the very nature of its bet selection it may be exposed to those runs in a way that it will lose two times more than it wins. Because the odds never change, there's got to be a catch. I hope I'm wrong. After one year of playing the Casino owes me a grand total of 8 units and I intend to get them back.
Explain how you would use authors system with double dozens.
Spin 1 - 2 most recent
Spin 2 - 2 least recent
Spin 3 - 2 most recent
Spin 4 - 2 least recent
??
Good idea.
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6 dz 3 & 1 showed up. next bet on two Most Recent (1,3)
29 W - next bet on two Least Recent (1,2)
1 W - MR 1,3
2 L - LR 3,2
27 W - MR 3,1
0 L - MR
34 W - LR 2,1
19 W
Your risk.
Quote from: Turner on Nov 30, 03:17 PM 2014
Thanks george, you are the dogs bollox
Is that a compliment?
Quote from: psimoes on Dec 02, 08:40 AM 2014
Good idea.
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6 dz 3 & 1 showed up. next bet on two Most Recent (1,3)
29 W - next bet on two Least Recent (1,2)
1 W - MR 1,3
2 W - LR 3,2 <---- it's a win
27 W - MR 3,1
0 L - MR
34 W - LR 2,1
19 W
Corrected
Your risk.
Quote from: psimoes on Dec 02, 08:40 AM 2014
Good idea.
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6 dz 3 & 1 showed up. next bet on two Most Recent (1,3)
29 W - next bet on two Least Recent (1,2)
1 W - MR 1,3
2 L - LR 3,2
27 W - MR 3,1
0 L - MR
34 W - LR 2,1
19 W
Your risk.
thats good results using the authors system
Played my version of the Author's System at Casino Estoril this evening. Flat-betting. Went through the dirty doubles and profited 5 units after a streak. Noticed they subbed the dealer only after 20 minutes, which is very unusual, so I stopped betting. The streak went on, though; followed by a series of single chops. Could have made another 5 units easily , but better play safe than losing it all. I may test this on a daily basis. Let's see how low it can go before I decide to raise the units and bankroll by 10 times. My goal is to win one unit a day.
One way to avoid the dirty doubles RRBBRRBB is to bet other ECs instead.
Thinking at the moment of tracking all three to study their LW registries. If they perform well, better bet on matching inside numbers for good profit.
LIKE:
18 L E R NB
23 H O R T -> BET L E R NRs. 12, 14, 16, 18
25 H O R L -> BET H O R 19, 21, 23, 25, 27
4 L E B L -> BET H O R 19, 21, 23, 25, 27
12 L E R L -> BET L E R 12, 14, 16, 18
14 L E R W -> BET L E R 12, 14, 16, 18
31 H O B L -> BET L E R 12, 14, 16, 18
16 L E R W
The above "system" doesn't hit often. Two ECs only instead of three hit much more, but then we're betting on 9 numbers each time instead of 4 or 5.
Applying different criteria to each EC (ex. Same As Last for RB, Opposite Of Last for LH, Same / Opposite for EO) might result better.
Edit - Nah, forget it. Maybe worth considering sporadically if you detect some kind of pattern is developing, like RBRBRB, all Odd numbers, Dzs 1 & 3 plus Column C are streaking, so bet on 3, 9 and 21 and see what happens. Something like that. Otherwise not worth it as a full betting selection scheme.
Whilst reading this thread has made me think that waiting for a chain of 4 E/C`s (Chain of all red or black or odd or even or high or low) to end. You can play more than one chain at the same time. I have tested this a little. On my experience the chop occurs on between 1 and 4 attempts over 90% of the time. Perhaps a stop loss after 4 attempts. What I want is someone to test this (if it fails after 100,000 or 1 million spins that is a good system to me.) What suggestions do members have for progression (1 low risk - 1 high risk) In my limited testing it reached 9 attempts once and this was caused by 1 zero then 2 zeroes (5 zeroes in 24 spins and anyone playing neighbours to zero would have been very disappointed as everyone of those 5 zeroes would have resulted in total loss. Penthouse progression comes to my mind for this, but what others? In my testing I found on average 8 chains came up per 60 spins (Live wheel - Wm. Hill) so not very profitable if only playing 1 unit = £1
I like the idea of 4 EC chains, despite a row of RRRR having the same chances of hitting as RBRB. If you also track for a series-of-four chops you'll find they can be as rare or hit as often as BBBB or OEOE. This could bring more opportunities for you to bet on, or not. Just food for thought...
Just a bit of update. It was max. 7 losses (have checked and I had counted double zero twice - oops! These are some of my results (all Wm. Hill Live dealer)
70 spins. won on attempt - 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 2 3 4 75 spins - 2 1 1 1 1 3 3 1 2 1 3 1 4
78 spins won on attempt - 1 2 1 4 1 2 1 2 2 1 53 spins - 2 2 1 2 1 1 1
78 spins won on attempt - 1 3 2 4 2 1 2 1 1 2 74 spins - 2 2 2 1 4 2 4 1 1
61 spins won on attempt - 2 2 1 1 4 3 2 4 1 1 2 3 1 54 spins - 1 1 4 3 2 1 4 1 2 3 1
Obviously it cannot be flat bet. Saw a post recently on here for Labby but starting with no numbers. Might be a possibility. I am doing 1 2 4 8 but betting unit = £1 so not making much. That is why I want a safer progression to up unit equivalent. What are your`e ideas? These are pretty impressive results but we all know what is round the corner.