Why not like AP players in forums ?

[Steve]

Cammegh and huxley wheel analysis software is bare-bones. It does not find a bias before a modern bias players. You really know nothing on this point.

As for your line crossings, they appear to be basic probability. Like how within 37 spins, there will be a certain number of repeats. That doesnt help. You are not changing odds. I did read about gut, but i couldnt find anything valid so far.

[winkel]

Cammegh and huxley wheel analysis software is bare-bones.

You can´t give a different reply. Otherwise you had to stop selling stupid items.

[winkel]

You really know nothing on this point.

Another typical AP BLABLA answer. If you are caught try to ruin the others reputation. But it is not an valid argument in a debate.

[winkel]

As for your line crossings, they appear to be basic probability. Like how within 37 spins, there will be a certain number of repeats. That doesnt help. You are not changing odds. I did read about gut, but i couldnt find anything valid so far.

It helps.
No it doesn´t change odds.
It got ntohing to do with repeaters to appear or not appear.

That you can´t find anything valid doesn´t rely ont GUT it relies on the lack of intelligence on your side

[Steve]

Another typical AP BLABLA answer. If you are caught try to ruin the others reputation. But it is not an valid argument in a debate.

You didn't read my page about bias analysis. And you have no experience with ap. Thats why your understanding is blabla.

Winkel im not trying to ruin your reputation. I'm just trying to determine if gut has any merit. You don't need to be so dramatic. The world isn't out to destroy you.

It helps.
No it doesn´t change odds.

Winkel it cannot help if it doesn't change the odds.

If you bet $1 on a coin toss and average a win 50% of the time, but are paid only $0.90, then the payout is unfair.

So HOW could you overcome it?? Voodoo? Or maybe win more often than 50%?? (Changing the odds).

Then you say you can guarantee that 12 specific numbers won't spin next. You say it isn't changing the odds, but i don't think you even understand this basic point.  I asked for an explanation, and you got angry.

To say you don't change the odds, but that gut helps, is contradictory. Me saying this it's not an attack on you or your reputation. Im merely addressing what you said.

[winkel]

Now my very last try to explain the basics:

look at the graph:

If we have the basic situation of 19 unhit and 18 hit we can be sure, that there will be a situation coming up with 18 unhit 19 hit.
This is what I call crossing. If you look at the graph the line representing the unhit and the line representing the hit do cross when this situation appears.

No matter what you try to blabla will change this fact. It doesn´t change odds it doesn´t change payouts it got nothing to do with repeaters or sleepers (solely). It is there it will be there for ever.

You can´t argue this fact. Can you?

[winkel]

Winkel it cannot help if it doesn't change the odds.

So HOW could you overcome it?? Voodoo? Or maybe win more often than 50%?? (Changing the odds).

Then you say you can guarantee that 12 specific numbers won't spin next. You say it isn't changing the odds, but i don't think you even understand this basic point.  I asked for an explanation, and you got angry.

To say you don't change the odds, but that gut helps, is contradictory. Me saying this it's not an attack on you or your reputation. Im merely addressing what you said.

Winning more than 50% doesn´t mean to change the odds it is just the ability to bet when a win is more probable.
The odds are in the rules of the game (by the way we are talking about roulette not cointoss) and if I´m intelligent I can beat the odds without changing them.

look at your friend recently known as The General he is claiming to detect a biased wheel in seconds. Ask him to explain and proof! If you don´t and he is not explaining why should I.

[winkel]

And you have no experience with ap.

Winkel im not trying to ruin your reputation.

How do you know that I don´t know about AP? And just claiming so isn´t that killing my reputation. Just telling I´m dumb without knowing me and my knowledge.

[Steve]

bet when a win is more probable.

Thats changing the odds. So with a coin, instead of 50% odds you bet when its 55%.

I have no idea how you dont understand that.

I can beat the odds without changing them.

You dont know what you're saying.

If we have the basic situation of 19 unhit and 18 hit we can be sure, that there will be a situation coming up with 18 unhit 19 hit.

That information is useless. Its no different to saying there will be a time 10 reds have won. So what?

How do you know that I don´t know about AP?

Because i do know, and what youve said is incorrect.

[winkel]

Then you say you can guarantee that 12 specific numbers won't spin next. You say it isn't changing the odds, but i don't think you even understand this basic point.  I asked for an explanation, and you got angry.

First bebedicktus claimed to know three or four numbers that won´t appear.
Nobody asked him to proof. He just claims to be an AP-Player and you believe him.

That his claim is senseless without proof I answered I could guarantee 12 numbers will not appear.
And all AP-people say I´m claiming something without proof.

Who was first to start a senseless debate? Me or the AP-people?
I just cover your kind of argumentation.

[winkel]

Thats changing the odds. So with a coin, instead of 50% odds you bet when its 55%.

I have no idea how you dont understand that.

You dont know what you're saying.

That information is useless. Its no different to saying there will be a time 10 reds have won. So what?


Because i do know, and what youve said is incorrect.

You argue: winkel doesn´t change the odds
I answer: No I don´t
You answer: but you have to change the odds to win
I answer: I win cause I know when to bet
You answer: Then you do change the odds.
I say no I don´t change odds I just win.

Who is sitting in a roundabaout not knowing what he is saying. Who is caught in contradiction?

That information is useless. Its no different to saying there will be a time 10 reds have won. So what?

That is your lack of intelligence proofed.
I´m not talking about cointoss, I´´m not talking about even chances I´m talking about 37 possible random results and how they move from no hit to all hit.

[winkel]

Because i do know, and what youve said is incorrect.

And the Earth is flat.
This is not a evidence this just another try to kill the reputation of the opponent.
You can´t proof, you won´t proof you just claim it. You will repeat your claim till everybody believes it. No matter if its true or not.

Or use the chance to proof, that I know nothing about AP. I´m waiting.

[winkel]

That information is useless.

But I use it to win. so it might be useless for the world for me it works.

[Steve]

First bebedicktus claimed to know three or four numbers that won´t appear.

I didnt read that. If he said that i wouldnt believe it either. He understands logic. You probably just misunderstood him. His english isnt great.

You argue: winkel doesn´t change the odds
I answer: No I don´t
You answer: but you have to change the odds to win
I answer: I win cause I know when to bet
You answer: Then you do change the odds.
I say no I don´t change odds I just win.

Who is sitting in a roundabaout not knowing what he is saying. Who is caught in contradiction?

You are. Youre not even understanding the basic parts, you really are lost, so theres no point to continue.

[Nimo]

Don't fret it Winkel, Steve knows GUT.  He said he is close to a holy grail as he follows a trot on the Turbo thread.  As far as I have read on all forums, the trot is attributed to Winkel and GUT more than any other person, idea or association.  He just has to put up a front for various reasons.