Let's gather ideas on LOTT:
Baseline:
In 37 spins :
------------------
12++
12+
12 -
++ appeared twice
+ appeared once
- didn't appear
Who is the genius who can tell us how to approfit from these facts ??
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 09:15 AM 2018
Let's gather ideas on LOTT:
Baseline:
In 37 spins :
------------------
12++
12+
12 -
++ appeared twice
+ appeared once
- didn't appear
Who is the genius who can tell us how to approfit from these facts ??
Andre and you. I am the loser who is still waiting for Andre to write his method step by step in detail.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20018.msg191197#msg191197
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19861.msg190884#msg190884
Forget Andre !
Put your ideas here, put any idea that comes in ur mind !
After 30 spins if the unhits are above 15 numbers bet them for 7 spins.
No progression just flat betting.
Removing chips on unhits that we have won on.
Just my first thoughts but i bet its been tested before.
I would not bet the ones that have not appeared. Altough some will appear in the next cycle, some will definetly not. Imo, it's rare we see all the 37 numbers show up in 2 consecutive cycles of 37. My 2 cents...
Come on guys, innovate !
Put ur ldeas here, put any idea even the most stupid ones, Don't worry!
After gathering a lot of ideas i will put mine as well.
Keep this thread hot !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 09:15 AM 2018
Let's gather ideas on LOTT:
Baseline:
In 37 spins :
------------------
12++
12+
12 -
++ appeared twice
+ appeared once
- didn't appear
Who is the genius who can tell us how to approfit from these facts ??
And i thought you figured out Andre's system.
Anyway, here is the idea whether or not it's the same as Andre's system.
Look for non-hit numbers from spin 20 to spin 24.
Then look for more new non-hit numbers from spin 24 to spin 30.
If one of these non-hit numbers hit between spin 24 and spin 30, remove it from your list.
Play those numbers after spin 30 till spin 37. They could range from 1 to 10 numbers. You may use a progression or flatlet depending on how many numbers you have. I had only one non-hit number on my list, and believe it or not, it hit.
Quote from: Carsch on Feb 14, 10:31 AM 2018
And i thought you figured out Andre's system.
Anyway, here is the idea whether or not it's the same as Andre's system.
Look for non-hit numbers from spin 20 to spin 24.
Then look for more new non-hit numbers from spin 24 to spin 30.
If one of these non-hit numbers hit between spin 24 and spin 30, remove it from your list.
Play those numbers after spin 30 till spin 37. They could range from 1 to 10 numbers. You may use a progression or flatlet depending on how many numbers you have. I had only one non-hit number on my list, and believe it or not, it hit.
You're funny guy, of course i detected Andre's method, I will reveal it tonight here, that's why I created this thread.
Adding new ideas doesn't hurt!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 10:45 AM 2018
You're funny guy, of course i detected Andre's method, I will reveal it tonight here, that's why I created this thread.
Adding new ideas doesn't hurt!
I can't wait! And would love to see what Andre thinks of your idea of his system.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 09:15 AM 2018In 37 spins :
------------------
12++
12+
12 -
Play against the exact outcome of 12/12/12 in 37 Coups.
Quote from: Herby on Feb 14, 10:59 AM 2018
Play against the exact outcome of 12/12/12 in 37 Coups.
New idea, thx
Can you explain in Details ?
After 24 spins: Sum of the numbers is above or below 444. Play for or against this trend of the mean.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 11:10 AM 2018Quote from: Herby on Today at 05:59 PM
Play against the exact outcome of 12/12/12 in 37 Coups.
New idea, thx
Can you explain in Details ?
The idea: quite seldom you will hit exactly 12/12/12.
I never played this, so details must be worked out.
Quote from: Herby on Feb 14, 11:15 AM 2018
The idea: quite seldom you will hit exactly 12/12/12.
I never played this, so details must be worked out.
It sounds good, let's have a look at this trail :
Cycle :37
----------------------
+ 15
++ 7
- 15
How are you going to play ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 11:24 AM 2018
It sounds good, let's have a look at this trail :
Cycle :37
----------------------
+ 15
++ 7
- 15
How are you going to play ?
I would bet the 7 :thumbsup:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 10:45 AM 2018
You're funny guy, of course i detected Andre's method, I will reveal it tonight here, that's why I created this thread.
Pinky swear ?
Maybe start after 24 spins, check the distribution,
if ++ is over the mean, the other have to be below.
If there are more than 1 possibilities play the less extreme one.
As I said before: this is just an idea, I never tried ...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 10:45 AM 2018
You're funny guy, of course i detected Andre's method, I will reveal it tonight here, that's why I created this thread.
Adding new ideas doesn't hurt!
I can't wait !
Get to spin 33 the two dozens with the most numbers repeats bet them
Here's a method i would play now and then, but stopped because it takes too much Time.
Spin 33 Times and look if there are 20 or less unique in your list. Now bet All the numbers that haven't spun for 4 spins (37 Total). Lott says that 99% of the Time there Will be 20-24 (sometimes More) unique numbers in 37 spins.
After 4 spins, you either lose or win. But he winning session wil be More Trust me. Use a tracker. But the waiting Time is aweful, not playable in a BM casino.
Here's my ldea that's tested and work good but unplayable.
I use AP to identify bias spins.
I key-in only these bias spins up to 33spins.
I look for a bias of >=2 in the ECs unique count, eg. 13red 11black.
From spin 34-37, I will wait for bias spins then bet all the majority EC numbers.
Usually 2-3hrs of spins to finish one game - accurate but not playable.
Not playable because casino 777 that I found this bias - nmb then dealer spin. :(
Quote from: denzie on Feb 14, 11:30 AM 2018
I would bet the 7 :thumbsup:
So u go for double-Hits !
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 14, 12:05 PM 2018
Get to spin 33 the two dozens with the most numbers repeats bet them
I would like to thank you for your idea, but I am not sure if this works.
U can play like u described without Lott, all what u have to do is check for dominants
Quote from: Herby on Feb 14, 11:32 AM 2018
Maybe start after 24 spins, check the distribution,
if ++ is over the mean, the other have to be below.
If there are more than 1 possibilities play the less extreme one.
As I said before: this is just an idea, I never tried ...
What you mentioned about distribution and betting for/against it is something creative, try to put more efforts into it.
Get 3,700 spins from Random.Org
Whichever numbers have hit less than 75 times.. Go bet them for real on live wheel adding 1 unit to each winning number.
*Stop on a win target of +50
*stop on a loss target of -100
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 10:45 AM 2018
You're funny guy, of course i detected Andre's method, I will reveal it tonight here, that's why I created this thread.
Adding new ideas doesn't hurt!
I can't wait! :thumbsup:
Here we go:
Note: this is a system that is used to decode LOTT patterns:
Cycle: 28 Spins:
-----------------------
toTAlCounter integer;
tOTAL_Uniques integer;
tOTAL_DoubleHit integer;
tOTAL_Unhit integer := 37 -(tOTAL_Uniques + tOTAL_DoubleHit);
if processed=true , tOTAL_Unhit >=8 then
toTAlCounter := 4 [tOTAL_Uniques ] + 4 [tOTAL_DoubleHit ] + tOTAL_Unhit ;
IF toTAlCounter <=30 then
PLACE_BETS!;
ELSE
NO_BETS!;
IF processed=false, tOTAL_Uniques >=7 THEN
toTAlCounter := 4 [tOTAL_DoubleHit] + all [tOTAL_Uniques ] + 4[tOTAL_Unhit] ;
IF Total_counter <=30 THEN
PLACE_BETS!;
ELSE
NO_BETS!;
How many tests of this concept you did?
Is this a new, yet not tested theory?
Are we able to reach the edge by playing flat?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 04:17 PM 2018
Here we go:
Note: this is a system that is used to decode LOTT patterns:
Cycle: 28 Spins:
-----------------------
toTAlCounter integer;
tOTAL_Uniques integer;
tOTAL_DoubleHit integer;
tOTAL_Unhit integer := 37 -(tOTAL_Uniques + tOTAL_DoubleHit);
if processed=true , tOTAL_Unhit >=8 then
toTAlCounter := 4 [tOTAL_Uniques ] + 4 [tOTAL_DoubleHit ] + tOTAL_Unhit ;
IF toTAlCounter <=30 then
PLACE_BETS!;
ELSE
NO_BETS!;
IF processed=false, tOTAL_Uniques >=7 THEN
toTAlCounter := 4 [tOTAL_DoubleHit] + all [tOTAL_Uniques ] + 4[tOTAL_Unhit] ;
IF Total_counter <=30 THEN
PLACE_BETS!;
ELSE
NO_BETS!;
Any change that you could explane what you Have found in non Program text?
Played one session repeaters on roulettesimulator when I got back today. Profit 13,956units after 467spins. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Feb 15, 12:12 AM 2018
Played one session repeaters on roulettesimulator when I got back today. Profit 13,956units after 467spins. :thumbsup:
Nice! Any change to explaining how you played?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 15, 12:33 AM 2018
Nice! Any change to explaining how you played?
Didn't you understand the concept ?
It's clear
Quote from: ozon on Feb 14, 07:55 PM 2018
How many tests of this concept you did?
Is this a new, yet not tested theory?
Are we able to reach the edge by playing flat?
To much testing, thousands of spins
That's cool CHT,
Here is my roulettesimulator graph..
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 01:51 AM 2018
Didn't you understand the concept ?
It's clear
No Sorry.
Cht I would also like to know how you played?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 04:17 PM 2018
Here we go:
Note: this is a system that is used to decode LOTT patterns:
Cycle: 28 Spins:
-----------------------
toTAlCounter integer;
tOTAL_Uniques integer;
tOTAL_DoubleHit integer;
tOTAL_Unhit integer := 37 -(tOTAL_Uniques + tOTAL_DoubleHit);
if processed=true , tOTAL_Unhit >=8 then
toTAlCounter := 4 [tOTAL_Uniques ] + 4 [tOTAL_DoubleHit ] + tOTAL_Unhit ;
IF toTAlCounter <=30 then
PLACE_BETS!;
ELSE
NO_BETS!;
IF processed=false, tOTAL_Uniques >=7 THEN
toTAlCounter := 4 [tOTAL_DoubleHit] + all [tOTAL_Uniques ] + 4[tOTAL_Unhit] ;
IF Total_counter <=30 THEN
PLACE_BETS!;
ELSE
NO_BETS!;
Is this Andre's system, Roulettebeater? A few spins with an example of how you play would be nice, just so to avoid any confusion.
Quote from: Carsch on Feb 15, 03:12 AM 2018
Is this Andre's system, Roulettebeater? A few spins with an example of how you play would be nice, just so to avoid any confusion.
It would be indeed Nice to know how to play this so we can test it.
Here's how I play unique/repeaters. I wait for the following conditions to align -
1. >=5 R1 to appear.
2. >=1 R2/3/4.....
3. Unhit >=18
4. Select 12 uniques+repeats - (whatever the number that will give remainder 12 numbers, eliminating uniques(could be repeaters) from the latest backwards.
5. Bet for 3 attempts for a win/loss to stop with 1/2/4 progression.
6. Session br is divided into 2 halves - 50% each attempt.
7. For 2nd attempt if 1st attempt loses, bet virtual loss/1/2.
I played a rated game with starting balance 3000units to show how I play this session, unfortunately for some reason it's not listed, I must have made a mistake somewhere. :(
Here's the excel sheet of my last bet that doubled the initial balance - I posted the excel sheet earlier. In b&m casino, the tracking is done with pen and paper supplied by the casino.
Request to competent coders - make an autobot to play online this unique/repeaters game.
Post here for the benefit of all members. TQ
DISCLAIMER - Roulette is a risky gambling activity. You may lose your money. Gamble with money you can afford to lose.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 04:17 PM 2018
Here we go:
Note: this is a system that is used to decode LOTT patterns:
Cycle: 28 Spins:
-----------------------
toTAlCounter integer;
tOTAL_Uniques integer;
tOTAL_DoubleHit integer;
tOTAL_Unhit integer := 37 -(tOTAL_Uniques + tOTAL_DoubleHit);
if processed=true , tOTAL_Unhit >=8 then
toTAlCounter := 4 [tOTAL_Uniques ] + 4 [tOTAL_DoubleHit ] + tOTAL_Unhit ;
IF toTAlCounter <=30 then
PLACE_BETS!;
ELSE
NO_BETS!;
IF processed=false, tOTAL_Uniques >=7 THEN
toTAlCounter := 4 [tOTAL_DoubleHit] + all [tOTAL_Uniques ] + 4[tOTAL_Unhit] ;
IF Total_counter <=30 THEN
PLACE_BETS!;
ELSE
NO_BETS!;
So this is my strategy? A computer program?
Nice! :thumbsup:. Lol
Hi Andre
Is there any point posting your method. It'll be looked at then forgot even if it wins more than it loses.
Take 15 non-hit in spins 11-40 is average, so now they have something to work with, if non-hits usually come 7,5,3 how do 7 non-hit come in spins 11-20, well if you know they average to hit in 2 spins upto the 19th non-hit, the next part is what is these 19 non-hits max to hit.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/15/temp_506143.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GMKr5)
So you see 4;-1 but look at spins 21-30 12;+2 so the 7,5 has come, only thing is it came 4, 8 but the game is on track.
And 3 more could come in spins 31-40, yes ends 25;+0 pri's tracker is out on that part, so the 15 came, its the trot. 10+15=25 and they came
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/15/temp_271630.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GMnKr)
Is it me, as i'm totally lost :yawn:
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 15, 06:39 AM 2018
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/15/temp_271630.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GMnKr)
Well, u could Have ended the session also at spin 17 in profit. We should Make a System that is easy as possible, so mistakes won't come as Easy, Just my opinions.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 15, 06:40 AM 2018
Is it me, as i'm totally lost :yawn:
how do you need help, straight forward if you study how non-hit come.
From my understanding in the 28 spins cycle
WHAT we do with 3rd repeaters?
Do we skip sessions when 3 rd repeater show up, we only play sessions where the 3rd repeater did not appear until the 28th spin?
Guys
I am offering my help and experience without reward, thx to tuner he was so gentle with me !
I will blow your mind If i tell you more about my "Systemkiller"!
It's just unstoppable !!!
@ayk:
I should work with you to build the fully automatic bot!
Let's get in touch please
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 15, 06:20 AM 2018
So this is my strategy? A computer program?
Nice! :thumbsup:. Lol
Lol :)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 07:15 AM 2018
Guys
I am offering my help and experience without reward, thx to tuner he was so gentle with me !
I will blow your mind If i tell you more about my "Systemkiller"!
It's just unstoppable !!!
@ayk:
I should work with you to build the fully automatic bot!
Let's get in touch please
Roulettebeater, sorry to say, but get real! Let's not play games! Be clear and straightforward. No mysteries for other ppl to try to solve something that is probably just nonsense.
Quote from: Carsch on Feb 15, 07:22 AM 2018
Roulettebeater, sorry to say, but get real! Let's not play games! Be clear and straightforward. No mysteries for other ppl to try to solve something that is probably just nonsense.
Hey
I am not ready to reveal the whole secretsauce !
If you have a system that can make you rich, will you reveal it to public ???
Put yourself in the same position !
Quote from: cht on Feb 15, 06:05 AM 2018
Request to competent coders - make an autobot to play online this unique/repeaters game.
Post here for the benefit of all members. TQ
Feel free to gimme the exact rules, so i can code us something that runs through a bunch of spins.
Majority of people believe roulette is unbeatable.
I am gonna today give a clear evidence that roulette is beatable :
Casino undergo strict measures at their tables - they know very well that roulette is beatable.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 07:25 AM 2018
Hey
I am not ready to reveal the whole secretsauce !
If you have a system that can make you rich, will you reveal it to public ???
Put yourself in the same position !
LOL now you're being the funny one. :) We can all play games after all by making all kinds of claims. ;)
Quote from: Carsch on Feb 15, 07:32 AM 2018
LOL now you're being the funny one. :) We can all play games after all by making all kinds of claims. ;)
You have right to say whatever you want or better say disregard anything you don't believe
And i fully understand the reasons.
He broke the pinky promise :'(
RB if you dont wanna share then just say nothing . Or is it a cry for attention? :girl_to:
So from killer system to system killer...its raining HG these last weeks ::)
Quote from: denzie on Feb 15, 07:37 AM 2018
He broke the pinky promise :'(
RB if you dont wanna share then just say nothing . Or is it a cry for attention? :girl_to:
So from killer system to system killer...its raining HG these last weeks ::)
Denzie
I just respect my words !
Forget HG, Forget anything u thinking about right now and put this in ur head:
Roulette is beatable
Btw: i dunno why it's always sunny in Belgium, here and at Andre it always rains, if it stays like that it will never rain at you :)
Cheers
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 07:25 AM 2018
Hey
I am not ready to reveal the whole secretsauce !
If you have a system that can make you rich, will you reveal it to public ???
Put yourself in the same position !
Can you play a game at roulettesimulator to showcase how good your system ? Don't give excuses. :smile:
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/
Even if you post on forums, nobody will be interested. :xd:
First was "The System Killer" thread!
And now this bs.
What's next, RouletteBeater?
Quote from: cht on Feb 15, 07:52 AM 2018
Can you play a game at roulettesimulator to showcase how good your system ? Don't give excuses. :smile:
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/
Even if you post on forums, nobody will be interested.
Maybe, I am afraid that Steve's RNG engine detects my play :)
O0
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 08:11 AM 2018
Maybe, I am afraid that Steve's RNG engine detects my play :)
O0
NEVER play at MPR !
Play at roulettesimulator, just ordinary game
not rated game, post your game graph here.
link:s://roulette-simulator.info
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 15, 08:05 AM 2018
First was "The System Killer" thread!
And now this bs.
What's next, RouletteBeater?
Add your ideas here, try
Innovate instead of writing bla bla comments
Cht, I will give it a try
But I am not a big fan of RNG.
I already said it and will say everytime
To all
The way I play I already wrote it in this thread, try to use it for ur tests
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 08:16 AM 2018
Cht, I will give it a try
But I am not a big fan of RNG.
I already said it and will say everytime
:thumbsup:
If you did find something that Will change the world of roulette as we know it and want to share please do.
If it fails, well No Harm done, at least you've tried. But if you don't want to share, then please say nothing. Trust me, i've Have been that road. The respect i had on roulette30 has reached to Zero, after i knew i had something big, buy wasn't revailing the whole System Right away. And later on as you All know, it failed, Just like 99% of the systems do. I fully understand why People react the way they do, when someone is claiming to have the HG, but not want to share it. So either you descus it with us and maybe not fails, or Keep it to your self and we can start another topic. But stop with the guessing game, i did it also on the other Forum, was not Nice of me, even thought i never ment to. But i Have learned from it.
I have written the rules of my unique/repeaters system in the earlier post.
Note of caution - this method may not work at the roulette wheel of your casino, idk.
It works well on some wheels at the b&m casino I play at. You have to do your own research about the casino you play at.
Quote from: cht on Feb 15, 08:27 AM 2018
I have written the rules of my unique/repeaters system in the earlier post.
Note of caution - this method may not work at the roulette wheel of your casino, idk.
It works well on some wheels at the b&m casino I play at. You have to do your own research about the casino you play at.
Well then this method isn't unbeatable as you say. If it is unbeatable it will work on every Table at any casino, or it's a System relaties to bias play.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 15, 08:33 AM 2018
Well then this method isn't unbeatable as you say. If it is unbeatable it will work on every Table at any casino, or it's a System relaties to bias play.
When I tested it with excel random number it works. Tested with past few years real live spins data from my casino it works.
I know it works at the wheels I play at my casino.
When you test extensively then you will know which wheel best to play at - apply bias wheel play.
I played it at roulettesimulator rng twice today the result is as I posted here.
Whether it is unbeatable on every wheel at every casino or not idk.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 15, 08:22 AM 2018
If you did find something that Will change the world of roulette as we know it and want to share please do.
If it fails, well No Harm done, at least you've tried. But if you don't want to share, then please say nothing. Trust me, i've Have been that road. The respect i had on roulette30 has reached to Zero, after i knew i had something big, buy wasn't revailing the whole System Right away. And later on as you All know, it failed, Just like 99% of the systems do. I fully understand why People react the way they do, when someone is claiming to have the HG, but not want to share it. So either you descus it with us and maybe not fails, or Keep it to your self and we can start another topic. But stop with the guessing game, i did it also on the other Forum, was not Nice of me, even thought i never ment to. But i Have learned from it.
The big problem in roulette is how to overcome the variance, roulette is very chaotic the variance can kill any system if it's used without a braking system.
Unfortunately the braking system requires discipline and control over your emotions, this skill is very hard to maintain !!! That's why most lose or give up.
if you have a system or strategy that wins sometimes flatbet, don't quit !!! Work hard to improve it, you should find another system that tend to win flatbet sometimes, you should then combine both.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 08:49 AM 2018
The big problem in roulette is how to overcome the variance, roulette is very chaotic the variance can kill any system if it's used without a braking system.
Unfortunately the braking system requires discipline and control over your emotions, this skill is very hard to maintain !!! That's why most lose or give up.
if you have a system or strategy that wins sometimes flatbet, don't quit !!! Work hard to improve it, you should find another system that tend to win flatbet sometimes, you should then combine both.
The biggest and most common problem in gambling is people do not know how to recognise a winning system. They have over sized expectations. :xd:
RB killer system!
That's the answer I get from RB:
link:s://youtu.be/zNlIUZnHv2w
I have automated the signals. Now working on the final part numbers to bet list. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 08:11 AM 2018
Maybe, I am afraid that Steve's RNG engine detects my play :)
O0
[/quote
what steve can see how you play cheating fcuker
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 15, 08:56 AM 2018
RB killer system!
That's the answer I get from RB:
link:s://youtu.be/zNlIUZnHv2w
LOL, i was laughing! ;D
Quote from: cht on Feb 15, 05:32 AM 2018
Here's how I play unique/repeaters. I wait for the following conditions to align -
1. >=5 R1 to appear.
Hi cht when you track and it’s no alignment do you use previous numbers or retract from spin when the alignment is above what you expect?
When it’s aligned you basically bet all the last uniques..plus the repeaters in that backtrack..ie if you have a number repeat or a few numbers repeat you count that as a new number until you work back to 12 individual numbers then bet...do you wait until a certain amount of spins or just till it qualifies
2. >=1 R2/3/4.....
3. Unhit >=18
4. Select 12 uniques+repeats - (whatever the number that will give remainder 12 numbers, eliminating uniques(could be repeaters) from the latest backwards.
5. Bet for 3 attempts for a win/loss to stop with 1/2/4 progression.
6. Session br is divided into 2 halves - 50% each attempt.
7. For 2nd attempt if 1st attempt loses, bet virtual loss/1/2.
I played a rated game with starting balance 3000units to show how I play this session, unfortunately for some reason it's not listed, I must have made a mistake somewhere. :(
A few questions the 12 back number uniques includes repeats if there in there...do you bet as soon as this alignment happens? If it’s gone beyond do you retrack from fresh as soon as its disqualified ..or use previous spins to make it quicker seemed my question is mixed in with quote above
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 15, 03:18 PM 2018
A few questions the 12 back number uniques includes repeats if there in there
uniques may become repeats - see pic for eliminated numbers marked x
...do you bet as soon as this alignment happens?
yes
If it’s gone beyond do you retrack from fresh as soon as its disqualified ..or use previous spins to make it quicker seemed my question is mixed in with quote above
use 10 previous spins
Anyone tested my method ?
How it's going ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 16, 03:05 AM 2018
Anyone tested my method ?
How it's going ?
Write the rules down. Many here don't read code.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 04:17 PM 2018IF processed=false, tOTAL_Uniques >=7 THEN
The boolean variable "processed" is not defined nor is a value assigned ...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 04:17 PM 2018all [tOTAL_Uniques ]
the variable "all" is also undefined
Can someone tell me which prog language that is???
Cheers
Perfectus :)
I will write the rules here as soon as possible.
Keep the fingers crossed
Andre Chas's:
Typical!
I don't give a fuck to what yo say.
Grow up !
RB
You're a nice guy but stop promising something you can not keep.
Yo Andre.
Thx but You selfish !
Yo not sharing anything with the members here
You wanna be the only one who empties casino's pockets !
Come on, give the poor guys some god systems and let them milk the casino, you acting as they would take the profits from you ... come on Andre come on ...
O0
Don't be selfish guys.
Even if you publish your systems here, nothing will change.
People will still lose casino will still make billions of dollars.
John Legend posted his PB claiming incredible results.
Does that change roulette ?
No, never will.
Come on Andre, I'm waiting step by step rules how you play. Don't be selfish.
Yeah, however your call should be directed to every member here, no exception
Even luck7red has his own system but keeping it under his pillow, very top secret O0
But somebody has cracked it like that
UnluckÙ¢black
There's a long list of members who hide their secret system under their pillows.
They believe if they reveal the roulette game will change or roulette game cease to exist.
That's stupid, selfish thinking.
I publish my system here - nobody will play it. Lol :xd: :xd: :xd:
Cht thanku for your reply I certainly will be testing it this weekend...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 14, 10:45 AM 2018
You're funny guy, of course i detected Andre's method, I will reveal it tonight here, that's why I created this thread.
Adding new ideas doesn't hurt!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 07:15 AM 2018
Guys
I am offering my help and experience without reward, thx to tuner he was so gentle with me !
I will blow your mind If i tell you more about my "Systemkiller"!
It's just unstoppable !!!
@ayk:
I should work with you to build the fully automatic bot!
Let's get in touch please
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 16, 12:26 PM 2018
Perfectus :)
I will write the rules here as soon as possible.
Keep the fingers crossed
hey, there's something wrong here. That's not my thread.
RouletteBeater was the one who said it would reveal his invecible system. Look at the quotes above.
Ask to him
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 15, 07:25 AM 2018
Hey
I am not ready to reveal the whole secretsauce !
If you have a system that can make you rich, will you reveal it to public ???
Put yourself in the same position !
Guys, look the quote above.
RB, as I said before you a nice guy but youre not keeping up with his word and you're putting the blame on me
You're contradicting yourself.
Do you remember it, guys? Unfortunately RB s cheap talk.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19937.0
you again ?
Go on... play your HG.
Quote from: ayk on Feb 16, 08:44 AM 2018
Can someone tell me which prog language that is???
Cheers
I think its just pseudo code.
Quote from: celescliff on Feb 16, 04:47 PM 2018
I think its just pseudo code.
No, it is just baiting again.
I don´t understand why people always hunt the unknown which will not be uncovered?
Other strategies just explained and with full rules are just read and pffft...
Quote from: winkel on Feb 16, 05:26 PM 2018
No, it is just baiting again.
I don´t understand why people always hunt the unknown which will not be uncovered?
Other strategies just explained and with full rules are just read and pffft...
I was just looking at the code he wrote. I know very well neither RB or Andre dont have anything that has been properly tested.
:thumbsup:
The HG is here in this forum.
LOTT. KTF. GUT. WTF.
Study it a lot and with hard work you build your own HG.
A great weekend to all!
This is a bit off topic. 6th sense, are you boning those two?
Quote from: cht on Feb 15, 08:13 AM 2018
NEVER play at MPR !
Play at roulettesimulator, just ordinary game not rated game, post your game graph here.
link:s://roulette-simulator.info
Just curious......why not play the
rated game at roulettesimulator? Thx!
The roulettes manufactured today are very modern, so it is very difficult to predict where the ball will hit even using computers. Old roulettes the ball landed gently. Modern roulettes the ball jumps too much.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 16, 02:34 PM 2018
Cht thanku for your reply I certainly will be testing it this weekend...
Test it with live dealer spins not rng. Focus on the eliminated numbers - it works with wheels that avoid them.
If you are patient, then play only when
2. =1 R2/3/4.....
Quote from: Carsch on Feb 16, 07:12 PM 2018
Just curious......why not play the rated game at roulettesimulator? Thx!
The owners of simulator games can access your games played.
If you play rated games at roulettesimulator, your games are kept permanently.
You make the choice to reveal your system to the owner or not.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 16, 06:58 PM 2018
The HG is here in this forum.
LOTT. KTF. GUT. WTF.
Study it a lot and with hard work you build your own HG.
A great weekend to all!
You keep harping this on the forum.
Share the step by step rules how you play.
Don't be another selfish member !
Roulette won't change, never will.
CHT
Please read my previous posts in this thread. That's RouletteBeater thread. He is baiting and contradicting himself.
Why not ask TG too! Is he selfish?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 16, 08:14 PM 2018
CHT
Please read my previous posts in this thread. That's RouletteBeater thread. He is baiting and contradicting himself.
Why not ask TG too! Is he selfish?
Every member/visitor who do not reveal their winning system is selfish.
What's worse is the stupid mob after they got snubbed hails such selfish members as some gambling god.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 16, 08:14 PM 2018
CHT
Please read my previous posts in this thread. That's RouletteBeater thread. He is baiting and contradicting himself.
Why not ask TG too! Is he selfish?
Andre and Roulettebeater, I share excel sheets and my system - whether they are good or otherwise is another matter.
You are a good guy. Do the same, casino pays not us.
Don't be selfish. The same complain we have against others, right ? Do it !
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 16, 06:58 PM 2018
The HG is here in this forum.
LOTT. KTF. GUT. WTF.
Study it a lot and with hard work you build your own HG.
A great weekend to all!
Cht,
Andre, is not selfish when it comes to GUT, KTF, WTF and LOTT.
I have also said this a few years back. The only way to learn or understand the systems are by studying them. Which means practice practice and more practice. Till all decisions you make are natural.
Have fun looking for something on a platter.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 08:59 PM 2018
Cht,
Andre, is not selfish when it comes to GUT, KTF, WTF and LOTT.
I have also said this a few years back. The only way to learn or understand the systems are by studying them. Which means practice practice and more practice. Till all decisions you make are natural.
Have fun looking for something on a platter.
If people do not reveal how they play, this will only perpetuate more of such selfish behaviour.
We are individually responsible for selfish behaviour that we complain about on forums.
Don't you notice most forums are dead with little to zero sharing ?
CHT,
There is nothing to say.
You will get your step by step rules for playing the mentioned systems if you can answer this simple question for me:.
How does one become a doctor, engineer, layer or a pilot?
Can you answer this?
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 09:38 PM 2018
CHT,
There is nothing to say.
You will get your step by step rules for playing the mentioned systems if you can answer this simple question for me:.
How does one become a doctor, engineer, layer or a pilot?
Can you answer this?
By learning from set curriculum.
This means that some random person with winning systems shares their system that others can learn from.
No doubt practice makes perfect, but without this curriculum to learn from there's no starting point.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 16, 07:20 PM 2018
The roulettes manufactured today are very modern, so it is very difficult to predict where the ball will hit even using computers. Old roulettes the ball landed gently. Modern roulettes the ball jumps too much.
Not sure about that. 80%+ edge is pretty common. Thats quite predictable.
CHT,
There you answered it. do you want me to explain what you said for you to say, no that's not what I(CHT) said?
Quote from: cht on Feb 15, 08:13 AM 2018
NEVER play at MPR !
Play at roulettesimulator, just ordinary game not rated game, post your game graph here.
link:s://roulette-simulator.info
Yeah, an unknown rng source for a game where anyone can set the table limits is much better than real casino spins and "uncheatable" win ratio stats. The charts you suggest is much better proof of everyones HG.
Never mind.
All I'm saying ALL forums are dead because people don't share their winning systems.
Another new guy(cht) comes along learns quickly about this selfish behaviour do the same.
Forums as a result of this spiral into the death zone, mostly about personal arguments and who has the largest dick, each outdoing the other. Happens to betselection, Roulette30, RF.......the list go on.
Claims of beating the wheel, HG and what nots.
That benefit nobody.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 16, 09:46 PM 2018
Yeah, an unknown rng source for a game where anyone can set the table limits is much better than real casino spins and "uncheatable" win ratio stats. The charts you suggest is much better proof of everyones HG.
I did not suggest this is the best proof. Don't twist it - as usual that you do here.
Pls don't respond to my post.
I wrote -
"No proof is ever sufficient enough in online environment."
Quote from: Azim link=topic=20021.msg191507#msg191507 date=1518832779
Have fun looking for something on a platter.
/quote]
While GUT is served as a plater. After eating this u r asking people not to look for platter. Funny isnt it? Practice is totally different thing.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 09:54 PM 2018
who has the largest dick,
Isnt it obvious?
Also the problem isnt people not sharing. Its people not learning or caring to learn. The problem is ignorance.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 16, 09:59 PM 2018
Isnt it obvious?
Also the problem isnt people not sharing. Its people not learning or caring to learn. The problem is ignorance.
Show us a complete step by step winning method that you shared on this forum.
Post the link.
(denzie, I try one more time in plain simple english. What do you think is the response ?)
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 09:56 PM 2018
I did not suggest this is the best proof. Don't twist it - as usual that you do here.
Pls don't respond to my post.
I wrote -
"No proof is ever sufficient enough in online environment."
The right proof would be sufficient. Most peoples proof is well short of proving anything. Things like a bankroll chart of 100 spin. Most people dont even understand basic statistics and statistical relevance.
I posted links, videos and complete explanations many times. Mostly ignored and accused of evil agenda. Anyone who pays attention knows where to look.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 09:54 PM 2018
Never mind.
All I'm saying ALL forums are dead because people don't share their winning systems.
Another new guy(cht) comes along learns quickly about this selfish behaviour do the same.
Forums as a result of this spiral into the death zone, mostly about personal arguments and who has the largest dick, each outdoing the other. Happens to betselection, Roulette30, RF.......the list go on.
Claims of beating the wheel, HG and what nots.
That benefit nobody.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 09:40 PM 2018
By learning from set curriculum.
With all the examples provided and the instructions of what to look for, if you can't understand the curriculum. Maybe that curriculum is not for you.
Could it be the same reason, someone doesn't become a doctor or an engineer because they couldn't understand the curriculum or was the instructor selfish and never provided a step by step instructions?
This means that some random person with winning systems shares their system that others can learn from.
No doubt practice makes perfect, but without this curriculum to learn from there's no starting point.
QuotePost the link.
(denzie, I try one more time in plain simple english. What do you think is the response ?)
Really, youd need to be seriously thickheaded to not see blatant clear explanations, links and videos...... then still say "so show me how to play".
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 10:09 PM 2018With all the examples provided and the instructions of what to look for, if you can't understand the curriculum. Maybe that curriculum is not for you.
Could it be the same reason, someone doesn't become a doctor or an engineer because they couldn't understand the curriculum or was the instructor selfish and never provided a step by step instructions?
Specific on GUT, KTF, WTF and LOTT where discretionary decision is made by the punter, I am not interested.
I believe how this discretionary decisions are made is rules based, rendering them to be mechanical in nature. Just that selfish people don't want to reveal their winning mechanical discretionary rules they apply.
I am addressing, in general, that people are selfish that they don't post their complete winning methods. This attitude snowballs into dead forums, members belittling each other is what we get.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 16, 10:12 PM 2018
Really, youd need to be seriously thickheaded to not see blatant clear explanations, links and videos...... then still say "so show me how to play".
You prove to be consistent. :thumbsup:
Your mistake, you think everyone is stupid.
denzie, I believe you expected this. Lol :xd: :xd: :xd: No more comment beyond this line.
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Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 10:18 PM 2018
Specific on GUT, KTF, WTF and LOTT where discretionary decision is made by the punter, I am not interested.
I believe how this discretionary decisions are made is rules based, rendering them to be mechanical in nature. Just that selfish people don't want to reveal their winning mechanical discretionary rules.
I am addressing, in general, that people are selfish that they don't their complete winning methods. This attitude snowballs into dead forums, members belittling each other is what we get.
Ok. I see what you thinking. Can you answer this for me?
How can you teach someone to think?
Please provide me with a step by step instructions?
Thanks.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 10:18 PM 2018that they don't their complete winning methods.
When you point some one with one finger, sometime you forget that three other fingers are pointing towards you.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 16, 10:23 PM 2018
When you point some one with one finger, sometime you forget that three other fingers are pointing towards you.
ofc I know.
I was waiting for this response.
Finally
tinsoldier clap, clap, clap :thumbsup: made the 1st response that means something.
We are ALL farking selfish ! :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 10:22 PM 2018Please provide me with a step by step instructions?
People do take thinking skills courses and they have helped me in past.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 10:26 PM 2018
We are ALL farking selfish ! :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
Nvm cht. Up at 3 playing that first game of the day which I don’t believe in. Anything for the game.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 16, 10:26 PM 2018
People do take thinking skills courses and they have helped me in past.
Maybe that's where people who can't follow instructions, and understand what's being said, should go and learn before accusing others for being selfish.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 10:22 PM 2018
Ok. I see what you thinking. Can you answer this for me?
How can you teach someone to think?
Please provide me with a step by step instructions?
Thanks.
You don't teach someone - person based.
You teach the subject by posting lots of examples of how you made those discretionary discretion.
Plenty of examples
might reveal that the discretionary decisions made is mechanical in nature.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 16, 10:28 PM 2018
Nvm cht. Up at 3 playing that first game of the day which I don’t believe in. Anything for the game.
I know. Seriously, you made me laugh. Sorry lol :xd:
Why you still do it sacrificing your sleep ? :question:
Thankyou. And for people who actually care to learn:
Explanation of what works and why, and tips:
link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/how-to-win-at-roulette/
Common mistakes and fallacies explained:
link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Read the whole roulettephysics.com website. It includes mote critical information about what works, what fails and why.
There is also free system testing software. Full systems like visual ballistics including free video tutorials.
Also try this forums free quiz.
The information is not new. Its old. But most people are stuck in a loop of ignorance, and are too lazy to properly read and understand why almost every system is junk. And they accuse people with even basic knowlege of being the ignorant ones.
Even when its explained in plain english, some people still dont have the basic intelligence to "get it". And they continue wasting time developing useless systems, while casino staff find them amusingly slow.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 10:30 PM 2018
You don't teach someone - person based.
You teach the subject by posting lots of examples of how you made those discretionary discretion.
Plenty of examples might reveal that the discretionary decisions made is mechanical in nature.
I hate to say this but you sound more like Mr J(KEN). Who never read a word in a thread and accused people of not posting examples or instructions.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 10:31 PM 2018Why you still do it sacrificing your sleep ?
My problem is I trust people. You need to always play the part.
How do you see flat earthers? Lost, right? Thats how people who understand see system players.
The flat earthers think you are the ones who are clueless. But they use pathetic logic and have terrible understanding. Its really no different in this case.
To the flat earthers, you are arrogant, and your logic is wrong.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 16, 10:35 PM 2018
My problem is I trust people. You need to always play the part.
I'm not suggesting not to trust.
But......you know what I mean.....looooolll :xd:
Sorry, I keep loooolll when I read your post. Can't help it. :xd:
Quote from: winkel on Feb 16, 05:26 PM 2018
Other strategies just explained and with full rules are just read and pffft
That’s the curious nature of human mind. Anything and everything posted anywhere will go through a hype cycle before it fades away.
QuoteMost people dont even understand basic statistics and statistical relevance.
speaking of it..have you learnt it yet... :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 10:34 PM 2018
I hate to say this but you sound more like Mr J(KEN). Who never read a word in a thread and accused people of not posting examples or instructions.
I was specifically addressing Andre and Roulettebeater who claim they have discovered their HG. They posted nothing about their claims.
There are plenty more members like them, pretty obvious.
Why don't you post the
link to your winning system that others can benefit from it ?
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 10:43 PM 2018
I was specifically addressing Andre and Roulettebeater who claim they have discovered their HG. They posted nothing about their claims.
There are plenty more members like them, pretty obvious.
How do you get to 12, if you have to start from 3?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 16, 10:40 PM 2018
That’s the curious nature of human mind. Anything and everything posted anywhere will go through a hype cycle before it fades away.
Creator of the system tends to hype their system.
Naive members for some weird reason join in this hype.
More people test to find that it's not as good as claimed.
That's when it fades away.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 10:47 PM 2018
Well pretty obvious, Steve is right, you are thick headed.
Let's see how thick your head is?
How do you get to 12, if you have to start from 3?
You call thick the wrong poster.
Remember this and learn-
this farking cht guy could care less what anyone thinks of him.
Now learn that well. Grow up.
Only posters who has this same devil may care attitude on forums plays for money in b&m casino. Not gain reputation on forums. Silly.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 10:50 PM 2018
You call thick the wrong poster.
Remember this and learn-
this farking cht guy could care less what anyone thinks of him.
Now learn that well. Grow up.
Only posters who has this same devil may care attitude on forums plays for money in b&m casino. Not gain reputation on forums. Silly.
Thank you. I am 100% sure now. Hello MR J (Ken) welcome back to the forum
Quote from: Steve on Feb 16, 10:38 PM 2018
How do you see flat earthers? Lost, right? Thats how people who understand see system players.
That’s a terrible example mate :) several strong heads around here. That makes good entertainment if not anything.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 10:52 PM 2018
Thank you. I am 100% sure now. Hello MR J (Ken) welcome back to the forum
I read about this Ken fellow - ex-moderator.
Well, he still goes on the other forum to belittle this forum. Ego hurt turns bitter. :(
WTF for ?
This tells me he does not play at b&m casino. Real players don't give a fark.
Real b&m casino players only interested in
MONEY !
You can't play only hotties, you can't play only uniques, you can't play only non hits.
You have to track the game, see what's happening and make your move.
Repeated numbers happen. That's a fact!
The LOTT shows you the avarage numbers. (Of course 12/12/12 is not carved on stone). So you get your decision when, how and which numbers to bet. When you understand it you will win more then lose. (That's the HG).
Turn the math of game into your favor!
Start studying KTF, GUT and WTF, and we'll be able to build efficient strategies.
Don't wait it on a silver plate.
Let's get a simple example. Try to understand what is missing after 30 spins. The avarage of numbers that appears in 30 spins is 20 to 28 numbers.
So for example, in 30 spins you have 19 number that showed. How many numbers is missing until the 37st spin?
Another simple example, in 30 spins you have 24 numbers that showed. What is missing until the 37st spin?
You have to do the right decision to bet.
You need to know how to use a progression if it's necessary. You need a stop loss/win
There isn't a money maker machine strategy.
It's a hard work.!
I can't give a step by step. You have to learn it, understand it and a lot of practice.
You have to know at least the basic of KTF, GUT, LOTT and WTF.
Through these approaches you'll be able to build you own strategy, your own HG.
Azin explained why n his previous posts. No one can teach you anything overnight.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 16, 09:57 PM 2018
[quote author=Azim link=topic=20021.msg191507#msg191507 date=1518832779
Have fun looking for something on a platter.
While GUT is served as a plater. After eating this u r asking people not to look for platter. Funny isnt it? Practice is totally different thing.
Well, yes I did eat it and I am still eating from it.
However, I was never ever given this on a platter. I had to work at it for myself. In fact, to-date, every single day, I thank TWO CAT (SAM) for pointing the GUT out to me.
Once I did my homework and proved it to myself that this is in did a winning strategy (NOT A WINNING SYSTEM, - GUT IS NOT A SYSTEM IT"S A STRATEGY) , , I revealed it again for others. However, I did say, I will not hand this out on a platter. People will have to go and practice and understand it for themselves.
Maybe you have mis-understood what GUT is all about.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 16, 11:26 PM 2018
You can't play only hotties, you can't play only uniques, you can't play only non hits.
You have to track the game, see what's happening and make your move.
Repeated numbers happen. That's a fact!
The LOTT shows you the avarage numbers. (Of course 12/12/12 is not carved on stone). So you get your decision when, how and which numbers to bet. When you understand it you will win more then lose. (That's the HG).
Turn the math of game into your favor!
Start studying KTF, GUT and WTF, and we'll be able to build efficient strategies.
Don't wait it on a silver plate.
Let's get a simple example. Try to understand what is missing after 30 spins. The avarage of numbers that appears in 30 spins is 20 to 28 numbers.
So for example, in 30 spins you have 19 number that showed. How many numbers is missing until the 37st spin?
Another simple example, in 30 spins you have 24 numbers that showed. What is missing until the 37st spin?
You have to do the right decision to bet.
You need to know how to use a progression if it's necessary. You need a stop loss/win
There isn't a money maker machine strategy.
It's a hard work.!
I can't give a step by step. You have to learn it, understand it and a lot of practice.
You have to know at least the basic of KTF, GUT, LOTT and WTF.
Through these approaches you'll be able to build you own strategy, your own HG.
Azin explained why n his previous posts. No one can teach you anything overnight.
Since you and Azim say it relies on discretionary decisions, there's nothing more to this.
Some people win, some people lose for the after-the-fact correct wrong decisions they make.
For the winners, they are the skilled experts, the losers are the dumb lazy players. :thumbsup:
As I said earlier, I ask on behalf of the losers how to win with your HG. You may help those guys.
Personally, I'm not interested. :)
Lets wait for Roulettebeater to post his rules.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 11:36 PM 2018
Well, yes I did eat it and I am still eating from it.
However, I was never ever given this on a platter. I had to work at it for myself. In fact, to-date, every single day, I thank TWO CAT (SAM) for pointing the GUT out to me.
Once I did my homework and proved it to myself that this is in did a winning strategy (NOT A WINNING SYSTEM, - GUT IS NOT A SYSTEM IT"S A STRATEGY) , , I revealed it again for others. However, I did say, I will not hand this out on a platter. People will have to go and practice and understand it for themselves.
Maybe you have mis-understood what GUT is all about.
That's what all my earlier posts is all about. :twisted:
Btw, do you hand this out at the right price ?
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 11:36 PM 2018
However, I did say, I will not hand this out on a platter.
Your examples around doctor, engineer etc and thinking etc seems to suggest that you cannot hand out this in a platter. Your statement above reads, if you want you can explain it simply, but you will not hand it in a platter because you don’t want to and not because you can’t. Just curious which is the one you meant. You will not hand it in platter because you don’t want to or you cannot.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 11:42 PM 2018
Lets wait for Roulettebeater to post his rules.
He won't do it. He doesn't have it. I bet.
Why? Because it's not about a system.
You guys need to understand that it is not a system. It's a STRATEGY!
There's no step by step.
Read the threads.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 16, 10:28 PM 2018
Nvm cht. Up at 3 playing that first game of the day which I don’t believe in. Anything for the game.
Off topic - about revised JL PB
If instead of betting 1/2/4 progression, bet with virtual loss/1/2 or virtual loss/1/1. If virtual win, wait for the next signal.
What's your result if you bet this way I propose ? TQ
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 16, 11:46 PM 2018
Your examples around doctor, engineer etc and thinking etc seems to suggest that you cannot hand out this in a platter. Your statement above reads, if you want you can explain it simply, but you will not hand it in a platter because you don’t want to and not because you can’t. Just curious which is the one you meant. You will not hand it in platter because you don’t want to or you cannot.
Quote from: cht on Feb 16, 11:42 PM 2018
Since you and Azim say it relies on discretionary decisions, there's nothing more to this.
Some people win, some people lose for the after-the-fact correct wrong decisions they make.
That's why It will never be handed out on a platter. You have to learn it for your self.
For the winners, they are the skilled experts, the losers are the dumb lazy players. :thumbsup:
As I said earlier, I ask on behalf of the losers how to win with your HG. You may help those guys.
Personally, I'm not interested. :)
Lets wait for Roulettebeater to post his rules.
I do give this out on rent. Currently I am not looking for new client's.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 16, 11:57 PM 2018
I do give this out on rent. Currently I am not looking for new client's.
Thanks. That clarifies a lot of things around you can’t teach a man how to think etc. If you want you can post step by step rules and you don’t want to.
I respect what you do and your decisions and I don’t say you should explain what you do to every joe blogg who is in this forum, but cht has a point on people don’t want to share. SELFISH may not be right word to describe it though, but yes people can share step by step instructions if they want to but for whatever reason they don’t intend to.
And Andre, what’s the difference between a system and strategy. To me anything and everything you do in roulette is based on a certain set of decisions. The decisions can be dynamic, but it will be based on a template and a set of rules. What do you say?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 17, 12:13 AM 2018
Thanks. That clarifies a lot of things around you can’t teach a man how to think etc. If you want you can post step by step rules and you don’t want to.
I respect what you do and your decisions and I don’t say you should explain what you do to every joe blogg who is in this forum, but cht has a point on people don’t want to share. SELFISH may not be right word to describe it though, but yes people can share step by step instructions if they want to but for whatever reason they don’t intend to.
And Andre, what’s the difference between a system and strategy. To me anything and everything you do in roulette is based on a certain set of decisions. The decisions can be dynamic, but it will be based on a template and a set of rules. What do you say?
System is a step by step instructions. Strategy is making the right decision at the right time.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 12:23 AM 2018
Strategy is making the right decision at the right time.
Which is again a conditional or complex instruction.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 12:23 AM 2018
Strategy is making the right decision at the right time.
Step by step rules to come to the right decision at the right time makes it a mechanical system.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 17, 12:13 AM 2018
Thanks. That clarifies a lot of things around you can’t teach a man how to think etc. If you want you can post step by step rules and you don’t want to.
I respect what you do and your decisions and I don’t say you should explain what you do to every joe blogg who is in this forum, but cht has a point on people don’t want to share. SELFISH may not be right word to describe it though, but yes people can share step by step instructions if they want to but for whatever reason they don’t intend to.
And Andre, what’s the difference between a system and strategy. To me anything and everything you do in roulette is based on a certain set of decisions. The decisions can be dynamic, but it will be based on a template and a set of rules. What do you say?
For me handing out on a platter would be to give out the bot's for everyone to use. Would that be fair to my client's. If you not willing to put in the effort to learn for yourself, you deserve to lose your money.
Quote from: cht on Feb 17, 12:29 AM 2018
Step by step rules to come to the right decision at the right time is mechanical system.
See again, Strategy has no rules it has the understanding of whats happening at the time you are playing.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 12:31 AM 2018
For me handing out on a platter would be to give out the bot's for everyone to use. Would that be fair to my client's. If you not willing to put in the effort to learn for yourself, you deserve to lose your money.
I respect your decision.
There are plenty people who put in lots of their time yet are not able to figure it out. Wouldn't call them lazy when they have tried for few years.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 12:31 AM 2018For me handing out on a platter would be to give out the bot's for everyone to use. Would that be fair to my client's. If you not willing to put in the effort to learn for yourself, you deserve to lose your money.
Agree with you on that.
Look at it this way also. There are people who put efforts to learn, but it is beyond their brains. There are all kinds out there.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 12:23 AM 2018System is a step by step instructions. Strategy is making the right decision at the right time.link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18360.0
If you study what Andre says GUT, KTF and WTF, You will become an accomplished Roulette player.
Like Azim says before you lay a wager, practice, practice and practice some more, when you can see whats happening then you are ready to start your roulette career
ROTT
Quote from: cht on Feb 17, 12:29 AM 2018
Step by step rules to come to the right decision at the right time makes it a mechanical system.
A common answer to the question ‘What is strategy?’ would be something like this. A strategy is a plan of action designed to achieve a specific goal. Strategy is all about gaining or at least attempting to gain, a position of advantage over adversaries or competitors.
All systems have (a) inputs, outputs and feedback mechanisms, (b) maintain an internal steady-state (called homeostasis) despite a changing external environment,
Roulette is mechanical but it has it's own mind just like us human beings.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 17, 12:37 AM 2018
Agree with you on that.
Look at it this way also. There are people who put efforts to learn, but it is beyond their brains. There are all kinds out there.
That's why I said, if you can't understand whats being said, this is not for you. Infact I would say Roulette is not for you.
Steve is right people want to go re-invent something that has been tried before. Only to find and get the same result's.
Doing same thing over and over and expecting a different result set is Stupidity and that's what is a result of system play.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 12:41 AM 2018
A common answer to the question ‘What is strategy?’ would be something like this. A strategy is a plan of action designed to achieve a specific goal. Strategy is all about gaining or at least attempting to gain, a position of advantage over adversaries or competitors.
All systems have (a) inputs, outputs and feedback mechanisms, (b) maintain an internal steady-state (called homeostasis) despite a changing external environment,
Roulette is mechanical but it has it's own mind just like us human beings.
I go to the extent of pin-pointing the exact wheels I play my system when the conditions are right - some form of wheel bias added to it. That takes a lot of preparatory work.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 12:41 AM 2018Roulette is mechanical but it has it's own mind just like us human beings.
I am sure you dint mean that literally. Roulette outcomes are random. No one can question that.
See, in generic terms, i understand difference between system and strategy. However when it comes to roulette whatever you want to call a system, you can always teach a bot what to do like you have done. If you can teach a bot, then you would have used instructions, rule based decisions and algorithms to do it. Then it can be explained to a human as well. That was my one and only point.
Of course, it can be a versatile principle with multiple implementation points, all in the Semantics. But at the end of the day the way a person plays can be converted into a set of decision points. The decision points could be simple, it could be quite complex.
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 12:44 AM 2018Infact I would say Roulette is not for you.
That was a very quick jump to a conclusion. Lol. How I would love a world where things are black or white.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 17, 12:40 AM 2018
If you study what Andre says GUT, KTF and WTF, You will become an accomplished Roulette player.
Like Azim says before you lay a wager, practice, practice and practice some more, when you can see whats happening then you are ready to start your roulette career
ROTT
Notto
I thank you for the KTF
Here,
In my defense about handing this out on a platter. GUT was around 4-5 years before even I joined the forum.
If I was selfish and I thought casino's would lose money, would I have re-opened the dead thread of GUT?
I wasn't selfish. I wanted people to do their work and learn from their mistakes.
Does anyone know how many possible combination's of number's can be achieved in a cycle of 37 spins?
The answer is :
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The above is from practice on Turbo idea of hot number, 1.155 is good, but i'm still learning getting to see how the wins come, as the game/spins come, it begins to reveal what hot #'s are most likely to hit.
So from TG's offerings go learn, to be honest you don't need to look to far >:D
I don’t think anyone called you selfish here Azim, if that’s your reading of the discussion here.
Is that 3737 combinations?
yes it's 37 to the power of 37.
1.0555134955777783414078330085996e+58 how do you do a step by step instructions for all those result sets and teach someone?
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 01:00 AM 2018
how do you do a step by step instructions for all those result sets and teach someone?
Good thought.
Look at your question again. My answer would have been different if you asked what is the combination of numbers in a 12 number cycle. Again it will be different if you asked for 30 numbers cycle. So many answers and so many possible questions. But my rule for coming up with the answer is the same. I will say 37 power 12 or 37 power 30. Suddenly it is not complex. I have been able to tell step by step instruction to give answer to your question eventhough there are so many possible ways you could ask your question.
To me I don’t think saying if 1 is the last spin then do this, if 2 do this etc is the only way to do a step by step instruction. A set of decisions, a set of rules, a set of algorithm can all be explained step by step. Azim, I think we are beating s dead horse here. You claim you have written a bot. If i understand programming right, then you have written lines of code. Lines of code is nothing but instructions for a machine to do something step by step.
I agree with all your comments, my only claim is you can tell someone step by step what you are doing, if you want to. Neither I am saying you are selfish, nor I am saying you should say everyone how you play.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 17, 01:08 AM 2018
Good thought.
Look at your question again. My answer would have been different if you asked what is the combination of numbers in a 12 number cycle. Again it will be different if you asked for 30 numbers cycle. So many answers and so many possible questions. But my rule for coming up with the answer is the same. I will say 37 power 12 or 37 power 30. Suddenly it is not complex. I have been able to tell step by step instruction to give answer to your question eventhough there are so many possible ways you could ask your question.
To me I don’t think saying if 1 is the last spin then do this, if 2 do this etc is the only way to do a step by step instruction. A set of decisions, a set of rules, a set of algorithm can all be explained step by step. Azim, I think we are beating s dead horse here. You claim you have written a bot. If i understand programming right, then you have written lines of code. Lines of code is nothing but instructions for a machine to do something step by step.
I agree with all your comments, my only claim is you can tell someone step by step what you are doing, if you want to. Neither I am saying you are selfish, nor I am saying you should say everyone how you play.
Which is back to the original message. Go read the thread and work out for your self. You can't ask a mechanic to teach you how to fix your car. His work is the same for each type of repairs.
Winkel's original thread has the basic information. Which even he said was for people to understand the basic's.
However, not everyone was letting him explain. We had some Nay sayer's.
I had a discussion with him and it's documented in the thread I created on this forum. I totally can vouch all the instructions are there.
If people don't want to go read those instructions, what makes you think they will read my 200 pages of instructions that have been programmed in a bot?
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 01:21 AM 2018
Which is back to the original message. Go read the thread and work out for your self. I totally can vouch all the instructions are there.
All good mate. Understood. It remembers me of the time, I got a flat pack sofa from ikea. I can totally vouch all instructions were there for how to assemble it. But I had to work it out myself. :love:
Looooooool :xd: :xd: :xd:
I love this entertaining forum. :love:
Quote from: cht on Feb 17, 01:30 AM 2018I love this entertaining forum.
And there you were only hours ago calling it dead. Hmm.
quick game using Hot #'s
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Off topic - Spurs come back from the dead against Juventus is masterclass performance. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Feb 17, 01:36 AM 2018
Off topic - Spurs come back from the dead against Juventus is masterclass performance. :thumbsup:
well put it in off topic
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Well one of us is Brainstorming.
If only wifey had not interrupted that day that i recklessly carried on and lost 10,000 units, but from a reset not bad
Andre Chas's
You are idiot, my friend ! Accept the truth
I am not baiting and I will share with you today my method (only the part related to LOT)
Happy now ?
And you will definitely keep bluffing us here on your holly-molly-grail
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 17, 03:56 AM 2018
Happy now ?
Yep. But you can do it now. No need to build suspense every time :thumbsup:
Quote from: Azim on Feb 17, 01:00 AM 20181.0555134955777783414078330085996e+58 how do you do a step by step instructions for all those result sets and teach someone?
First step :
reduce to Unhit/ Hit/ Repeater/ 2Repeater...
leads to enormous reduction of the amount of possible outcomes :twisted:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 17, 03:56 AM 2018
Andre Chas's
You are idiot, my friend ! Accept the truth
I am not baiting and I will share with you today my method (only the part related to LOT)
Happy now ?
And you will definitely keep bluffing us here on your holly-molly-grail
Two days ago you promised to reveal it tomorrow, that would have been yesterday.
Don´t pronounce it, just do it. But we will never see it happen.
Big failure of steve and his mod that this guy is still surfing here. He doesnt write down his system for free but also fail to mention the price.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 17, 05:46 AM 2018
Big failure of steve and his mod that this guy is still surfing here. He doesnt write down his system for free but also fail to mention the price.
Everytime, yeah almost everytime i read your comment, i should scratch my ass.
I dunno why !
The rules:
Below are two systems that should be played in combined way:
SystemA:
1- Track 28 numbers on live roulette table (i don't like RNG and i don't recommend playing it).
2- Sort these 28 numbers in three group:
Group A: Uniques "Numbers that hit once"
Group B: Doubles "Numbers that hit >=2 times"
Group C: Unhit "Numbers that didn't appear"
3- If the numbers in Group C are >=8 Then collect this pool of numbers:
PoolBet=
4 numbers of group A
+ 4 numbers of group B
+ all numbers of group C
4- If PoolBet <=25 Then
Place Bet on all numbers in PoolBet.
Else Track numbers again.
SystemB:
1- Track 28 numbers on live roulette table (i don't like RNG and i don't recommend playing it).
2- Sort these 28 numbers in three group:
Group A: Uniques "Numbers that hit once"
Group B: Doubles "Numbers that hit >=2 times"
Group C: Unhit "Numbers that didn't appear"
3- If the numbers in Group A are >=7 Then collect this pool of numbers:
PoolBet=
All numbers of group A
+ 4 numbers of group B
+ 4 numbers of group C
4- If PoolBet <=25 Then
Place Bet on all numbers in PoolBet.
Else Track numbers again.
Test it, you will be surprised.
Madi: You are not allowed to approfit from this system...
Bet once? No progression?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 17, 09:04 AM 2018
Bet once? No progression?
It's up to you, i play it without progression but i keep switching between these two systems.
If you want you can use light progression if you dont want to stay at table long.
Test it...
it works!!
Ok but do you yourself bet only once or more
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 17, 09:06 AM 2018
I play more than one bet.
The only issue is that you need to have a blazing mind to make the calculus/sorting of the numbers.
I have automated it in a code, i just need to sync the system with last spin.
Ok one more question about the 4 numbers to pick is it a random pick or latest 4 pick
Can anyone make a tracker for this
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 17, 09:10 AM 2018
Ok one more question about the 4 numbers to pick is it a random pick or latest 4 pick
These 4 numbers can be selected at your will.
I recommed to select them as following:
divide the group in 4 subgroups and take one random number from each subgroup.
So would be easier if you actually posted the program to do it which you have made then
Answer to 6th-sense:
Guys, don't be lazy!!
try to use your mind, i can't give you a fish every day, but i am teaching you how to fish .
:)
Cheers
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 17, 09:20 AM 2018
Answer to 6th-sense:
Guys, don't be lazy!!
try to use your mind, i can't give you a fish every day, but i am teaching you how to fish .
:)
Cheers
Thanks for sharing RB. :thumbsup:
Question - can there be a situation where both system A and B is valid at the same time ?
What would you do if it happens ?
Quote from: cht on Feb 17, 09:28 AM 2018
Thanks for sharing RB. :thumbsup:
Question - can there be a situation where both system A and B is valid at the same time ?
What would you do if it happens ?
A > B
B > A
A > B
Go on like that, you will break the casino
O0
Quote1- Track 28 numbers on live roulette table (i don't like RNG and i don't recommend playing it).
28 numbers or 28 spins?
28 numbers which have been shown in last 28 spins. :)
I track without stop so after every last number i validate the system against the last 28 numbers.
Got it?
To avoid Ups and downs, i simply stop playing after Dealer's switch.
I am looking forward to hearing from you on your experience, feelings, results.
Cheers
Just scratching my head is it 28 numbers or 28 spins becouse if it’s 28 numbers in 28 spins there’s no repeats to tie in with your formula
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 17, 10:05 AM 2018
Just scratching my head is it 28 numbers or 28 spins becouse if it’s 28 numbers in 28 spins there’s no repeats to tie in with your formula
You sit down then you start tracking, you need to track 28 spins.
Btw, you are lucky to have nice hotties who are sitting beside you.
:)
Thanks for clearing it up and sharing...
Thanks they are my two eldest daughters stacey and kelly Anne ...get there looks from me 😀
Better pic of us I was drunk at the time
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 17, 10:18 AM 2018
Better pic of us I was drunk at the time
cool, you are lucky the same.
having nice family is a blessing...
:)
i will be offline for 2-3 hours, my wife inviting me for sushi.
I hope i will see a lot of comments on my return.
By 28spin, system A unhit usually 18 + 4 + 4 >= 25 so no bet , right ?
Most bets on system B ?
Very delicious ;)
Quote from: Steve on Feb 16, 09:59 PM 2018
Isnt it obvious?
Also the problem isnt people not sharing. Its people not learning or caring to learn. The problem is ignorance.
Are just as bizarrely out of touch as the flat earth society, the thought process of these people and the admin. (Yoda speak)
Not really, it's just subversion. In the real world, IP is not shared freely, but here, in this utopia, let us feign our hand holding till a prophet comes along to help us all ascend. Once that happens, every cult member for themselves in hopes that the pot is yet to be too diluted.
A self induced state of delusion, I posit. Hmm, kind of like religion. (
I really just thought of that right now. The religion comparison)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 17, 03:56 AM 2018
Andre Chas's
You are idiot, my friend ! Accept the truth
I am not baiting and I will share with you today my method (only the part related to LOT)
Happy now!
Anyway I still think you are a nice guy!
I like your system. Thanks for sharing!
I'm an idiot with money in my account :thumbsup:
Let's make money and milk the casinos!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 17, 08:33 AM 2018
Everytime, yeah almost everytime i read your comment, i should scratch my ass.
I dunno why !
No doubt a dirty man will do that always. Now put a one step progression. Lick ur finger.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 17, 08:58 AM 2018
Test it, you will be surprised.
Madi: You are not allowed to approfit from this system...
I m making u sure that a 12-16 number “shit system†specially dumped by u( not delivered) just to escape from mod will never be touched by me.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 17, 08:49 AM 2018
The rules:
Below are two systems that should be played in combined way:
SystemA:
1- Track 28 numbers on live roulette table (i don't like RNG and i don't recommend playing it).
2- Sort these 28 numbers in three group:
Group A: Uniques "Numbers that hit once"
Group B: Doubles "Numbers that hit >=2 times"
Group C: Unhit "Numbers that didn't appear"
3- If the numbers in Group C are >=8 Then collect this pool of numbers:
PoolBet=
4 numbers of group A
+ 4 numbers of group B
+ all numbers of group C
4- If PoolBet <=25 Then
Place Bet on all numbers in PoolBet.
Else Track numbers again.
SystemB:
1- Track 28 numbers on live roulette table (i don't like RNG and i don't recommend playing it).
2- Sort these 28 numbers in three group:
Group A: Uniques "Numbers that hit once"
Group B: Doubles "Numbers that hit >=2 times"
Group C: Unhit "Numbers that didn't appear"
3- If the numbers in Group A are >=7 Then collect this pool of numbers:
PoolBet=
All numbers of group A
+ 4 numbers of group B
+ 4 numbers of group C
4- If PoolBet <=25 Then
Place Bet on all numbers in PoolBet.
Else Track numbers again.
How long have you tested this?
This system is a gift from me to all good guys, obviously the idiots find themselves isolated and starting to bark
Quote from: weddings on Feb 17, 08:00 PM 2018
How long have you tested this?
Hi Weddings,
I tested this since approx 2 months, it's doing quite well.
Thanks RB! Will test it.
If you are doing automated it can only be played on online casinos? B&M would be hard right
Quote from: weddings on Feb 18, 05:09 AM 2018
If you are doing automated it can only be played on online casinos? B&M would be hard right
Sorry, you have to be super fast to play this at b&m casino, you need to write down every spin and make the calculus.
Quote from: weddings on Feb 17, 08:00 PM 2018
How long have you tested this?
Can you post a few sessions and I will create a bot that can play online if the system is a winner as you claim.
But which numbers to choose from group A and B? These can be more than 8.
Unfortunately i have been moderated just because this Madi!
What else can i say!!
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 17, 01:26 AM 2018
All good mate. Understood. It remembers me of the time, I got a flat pack sofa from ikea. I can totally vouch all instructions were there for how to assemble it. But I had to work it out myself. :love:
What is the problem with: If there is a crossing, bet on it.
So,
let's brainstorm about LOTT, ok.
Just tested something, basically betting on previous number, adding one after the other and adding one unit, so betting 1x1u, 2x2u, etc until 10x10, but not beyond: maximal profit is at 5x5 and 6x6; 10x10 shows a net loss of -25. See attached.
One expects a repeater to come on or before the 10th spin, according to maths and LOTT document by Winkel.
Just tried real quick and results are good!
I'll try for longer runs, different progressions and see how it goes.
So far so good....
Damn you Steve....you beat me to it.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 18, 01:09 PM 2018
So,
let's brainstorm about LOTT, ok.
Just tested something, basically betting on previous number, adding one after the other and adding one unit, so betting 1x1u, 2x2u, etc until 10x10, but not beyond: maximal profit is at 5x5 and 6x6; 10x10 shows a net loss of -25. See attached.
One expects a repeater to come on or before the 10th spin, according to maths and LOTT document by Winkel.
Just tried real quick and results are good!
I'll try for longer runs, different progressions and see how it goes.
So far so good....
Why not; 1x1 2x1 3x1 4x1 etc up till 10x1?
Test2:
round 46, 530units up.
Repeaters after 3, 6, 10, 7, 7, 7.
Max losses with a (1x1,...,10x10) prog is 385, so still would be at more than 1u/spin average if lost next trial.
Not amazed yet but optimistic...
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 18, 01:26 PM 2018
Why not; 1x1 2x1 3x1 4x1 etc up till 10x1?
Cause at some point:
(1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10)>35.
Option:
1,1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,6: still positive after 10th try (+26)
I think it's worth trying different prog in order to be able to go up to spin 15, for example.
Now, has anyone ever calculated the st.deviation of the 1st repeater? it's average should be between 6 and 9, my opinion. What %age aove 10, what %age below 6?
Quote from: Turner on Feb 18, 01:16 PM 2018
Damn you Steve....you beat me to it.
I'm quick today
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Quote from: Azim on Feb 18, 10:37 AM 2018
Can you post a few sessions and I will create a bot that can play online if the system is a winner as you claim.
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277810 HIT HIT
277811 HIT HIT
277812 MISS MISS
277813 HIT HIT
277814 HIT HIT
277815 HIT HIT
277816 HIT HIT
277817 HIT HIT
277818 MISS HIT
277819 MISS MISS
277820 MISS MISS
277821 HIT MISS
277822 MISS MISS
277823 HIT MISS
277824 HIT MISS
277825 HIT HIT
277826 HIT HIT
277827 HIT MISS
277828 HIT MISS
277829 HIT HIT
277830 MISS HIT
277831 MISS HIT
277832 HIT HIT
277833 MISS HIT
277834 HIT MISS
277835 HIT HIT
277836 HIT HIT
277837 HIT HIT
277838 MISS MISS
277839 HIT MISS
277840 HIT MISS
277841 MISS HIT
277842 MISS HIT
277843 MISS HIT
277844 MISS HIT
277845 HIT MISS
277846 MISS HIT
277847 HIT MISS
277848 HIT HIT
277849 HIT MISS
277850 MISS HIT
277851 MISS MISS
277852 MISS HIT
277853 HIT HIT
277854 HIT HIT
277855 HIT HIT
277856 HIT HIT
277857 HIT MISS
277858 HIT HIT
277859 MISS HIT
277860 MISS HIT
277861 HIT HIT
277862 HIT HIT
277863 MISS HIT
277864 HIT MISS
277865 HIT MISS
277866 HIT MISS
277867 HIT MISS
277868 MISS HIT
277869 HIT MISS
277870 MISS MISS
277871 HIT HIT
277872 MISS HIT
277873 MISS HIT
277874 HIT MISS
277875 MISS HIT
277876 HIT HIT
277877 HIT HIT
277878 MISS HIT
277879 MISS MISS
277880 HIT HIT
277881 HIT MISS
277882 HIT HIT
277883 HIT MISS
277884 HIT MISS
277885 HIT HIT
277886 HIT HIT
277887 HIT HIT
277888 MISS HIT
277889 HIT HIT
277890 MISS MISS
277891 HIT HIT
277892 MISS HIT
277893 HIT HIT
277894 HIT MISS
277895 MISS HIT
277896 MISS HIT
277897 MISS HIT
277898 HIT MISS
277899 HIT HIT
277900 HIT MISS
277901 MISS MISS
277902 HIT HIT
277903 MISS MISS
277904 HIT MISS
277905 HIT HIT
277906 HIT MISS
277907 HIT MISS
277908 HIT MISS
277909 HIT MISS
277910 MISS MISS
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 18, 01:33 PM 2018
Cause at some point:
(1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10)>35.
Option:
1,1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,6: still positive after 10th try (+26)
I think it's worth trying different prog in order to be able to go up to spin 15, for example.
Now, has anyone ever calculated the st.deviation of the 1st repeater? it's average should be between 6 and 9, my opinion. What %age aove 10, what %age below 6?
not the deviation, but this:
see attached picture
title line read: after x coups there were at least
first table line: no repeater in these spins
second line: minimum 1 repeater
third line: minimum 2 repeaters
and so on
repeater is any repeater hit 2times or more
I think the idea is to have this bell-shaped graph of the repeaters outcome and match this with another bell-shaped net-gain graph. Can anyone create this first one? I would tend to believe the peak would be around 7,8 or 9.
Growing amazed:
1014 units at spin 80.
3 repeaters after 3
1x at 4;
2x at 6;
4x at 7;
1x at 9;
1x at 10;
none above 10.
Quote from: winkel on Feb 18, 02:08 PM 2018
not the deviation, but this:
see attached picture
title line read: after x coups there were at least
first table line: no repeater in these spins
second line: minimum 1 repeater
third line: minimum 2 repeaters
and so on
repeater is any repeater hit 2times or more
Mann, wie schaffst Du dass?
Thanks Winkel, I'll see what can be taken from these results. I can conclude 90% of the time comes a repeater on or before 13.
Or, 28% later than spin 10.
Can you share the Excel sheet so I can create a bell shape distribution?
The rules:
Below are two systems that should be played in combined way:
SystemA:
1- Track 28 numbers on live roulette table (i don't like RNG and i don't recommend playing it).
2- Sort these 28 numbers in three group:
Group A: Uniques "Numbers that hit once"
Group B: Doubles "Numbers that hit >=2 times"
Group C: Unhit "Numbers that didn't appear"
3- If the numbers in Group C are >=8 Then collect this pool of numbers:
PoolBet=
4 numbers of group A
+ 4 numbers of group B
+ all numbers of group C
4- If PoolBet <=25 Then
Place Bet on all numbers in PoolBet.
Else Track numbers again.
SystemB:
1- Track 28 numbers on live roulette table (i don't like RNG and i don't recommend playing it).
2- Sort these 28 numbers in three group:
Group A: Uniques "Numbers that hit once"
Group B: Doubles "Numbers that hit >=2 times"
Group C: Unhit "Numbers that didn't appear"
3- If the numbers in Group A are >=7 Then collect this pool of numbers:
PoolBet=
All numbers of group A
+ 4 numbers of group B
+ 4 numbers of group C
4- If PoolBet <=25 Then
Place Bet on all numbers in PoolBet.
Else Track numbers again.
Somebody can code it in Excel Sheet
Thank's
Finished 199 spins game: score 1995 units
1x failed (no repeat after 10).
Repeat after:
1: 1
2: 2;
3: 4;
5: 1;
6: 5;
7: 4;
8: 2;
9: 2;
10: 3.
I don't know if this represents a typical game, I would have expected more failures.
I think I'll try a few 200spins games. If too many failures, might modify to a progression up to 12 or 13.
To be cont'd..
It failed for me in RX test.
Hi RouletteBeater ...
how do you play your system ....
Do you really need to test it. ? Look at the principle . Anyone with a tiny bit of roulette idea will dump it to the bin. He just purpusfully dumped it to escape the mod .
Well maybe i'm the Most unlucky one but Just lost 14 sessions Back to back !!! :sad2: :yawn: 14 Times 10 spins Without a repeater in the First ten spins.. pfffff that's a debt of -5390 units !!!!! How do we recover from a situation like this?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 18, 04:36 PM 2018
Well maybe i'm the Most unlucky one but Just lost 14 sessions Back to back !!! :sad2: :yawn: 14 Times 10 spins Without a repeater in the First ten spins.. pfffff that's a debt of -5390 units !!!!! How do we recover from a situation like this?
let me guess:
Online-Casinothis is easy to detect, so don´t play online.
@all: Online-Casinos are all cheating. "ALL!" pls. read again "ALL are chating!"
Never ever play Online-Casinos. Never.
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Quote from: winkel on Feb 18, 05:01 PM 2018
let me guess: Online-Casino
this is easy to detect, so don´t play online.
@all: Online-Casinos are all cheating. "ALL!" pls. read again "ALL are chating!"
Never ever play Online-Casinos. Never.
Uhmm actualy No ! All numbers were generated from ramdom.org :ooh: that's what this Make me sad.
jekhb76
I've looked at repeat in 1st 10 pins.
A question is the 14 blocks of 10, 140 consecutive spins. What ive seen on 1 daily game, using the 1st 10 spins has had only groups of 10/10, 3 times never gone 4 blocksof 10/10, but if you look at morts its given 6, the daily spins he posts
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/18/temp_518796.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G1TMc)
Geez! Sure this must have been dissapointing... Random happens, stats are not rules or law...
I'll run some more and see. Stats from Winkel show that in general most repeaters come before spin 10.
I thought of continuing the progression until the second repeater to see if it's worth it.
I'll check. This kind of play is still new to me, there always is room for improvement!
Quote from: winkel on Feb 18, 05:01 PM 2018
let me guess: Online-Casino
this is easy to detect, so don´t play online.
@all: Online-Casinos are all cheating. "ALL!" pls. read again "ALL are chating!"
Never ever play Online-Casinos. Never.
Winkel what can one detect to see if on-line casino's are cheating, do they have software that plays you
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 18, 06:41 PM 2018
Winkel what can one detect to see if on-line casino's are cheating, do they have software that plays you
:sad2:
Yes. Notto. I have an oline RNG Roullette that I use to test my systems with. Mind you it's a demo version that was hacked into to be able to play off line since 2010. I have noticed a few abnormalities that become normal quite often. Example in real world we would never see 19-20 uniques in a row. Spin after spin. This software has killed that approach.
If I were to give you the number's from this software and you played for repeats after 13 uniques you would wait for 6-7 more spins before it hits a repeat. playing with any progression kills you. playing flat would take you months to get out of the hole.
if you played uniques. you would not believe the repeats it throws back out.
I would only pick reputable casino's online that would have no reason to cheat. Remember, this software has nothing to do with a site wanting to make me win with a play money. The software is offline.
The 24/7 Jackpot on ITV is a good place to get averages. Considering it's for Great Britain residence only.
I can add to this and this I am positive about. No casino disconnects you from online gaming. Its legit disconnect either from your side or theirs.
But it's not a disconnect of connection for you to lose.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 18, 02:06 PM 2018
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277810 HIT HIT
277811 HIT HIT
277812 MISS MISS
277813 HIT HIT
277814 HIT HIT
277815 HIT HIT
277816 HIT HIT
277817 HIT HIT
277818 MISS HIT
277819 MISS MISS
277820 MISS MISS
277821 HIT MISS
277822 MISS MISS
277823 HIT MISS
277824 HIT MISS
277825 HIT HIT
277826 HIT HIT
277827 HIT MISS
277828 HIT MISS
277829 HIT HIT
277830 MISS HIT
277831 MISS HIT
277832 HIT HIT
277833 MISS HIT
277834 HIT MISS
277835 HIT HIT
277836 HIT HIT
277837 HIT HIT
277838 MISS MISS
277839 HIT MISS
277840 HIT MISS
277841 MISS HIT
277842 MISS HIT
277843 MISS HIT
277844 MISS HIT
277845 HIT MISS
277846 MISS HIT
277847 HIT MISS
277848 HIT HIT
277849 HIT MISS
277850 MISS HIT
277851 MISS MISS
277852 MISS HIT
277853 HIT HIT
277854 HIT HIT
277855 HIT HIT
277856 HIT HIT
277857 HIT MISS
277858 HIT HIT
277859 MISS HIT
277860 MISS HIT
277861 HIT HIT
277862 HIT HIT
277863 MISS HIT
277864 HIT MISS
277865 HIT MISS
277866 HIT MISS
277867 HIT MISS
277868 MISS HIT
277869 HIT MISS
277870 MISS MISS
277871 HIT HIT
277872 MISS HIT
277873 MISS HIT
277874 HIT MISS
277875 MISS HIT
277876 HIT HIT
277877 HIT HIT
277878 MISS HIT
277879 MISS MISS
277880 HIT HIT
277881 HIT MISS
277882 HIT HIT
277883 HIT MISS
277884 HIT MISS
277885 HIT HIT
277886 HIT HIT
277887 HIT HIT
277888 MISS HIT
277889 HIT HIT
277890 MISS MISS
277891 HIT HIT
277892 MISS HIT
277893 HIT HIT
277894 HIT MISS
277895 MISS HIT
277896 MISS HIT
277897 MISS HIT
277898 HIT MISS
277899 HIT HIT
277900 HIT MISS
277901 MISS MISS
277902 HIT HIT
277903 MISS MISS
277904 HIT MISS
277905 HIT HIT
277906 HIT MISS
277907 HIT MISS
277908 HIT MISS
277909 HIT MISS
277910 MISS MISS
This is not a session this is garbage. Type in the 28 spins and their number. After tell us what you would play and why?
Here I will make it simple....
No Hit = 17
Hit 2 times or more = 8
Hit 1 time only = 12
What would you play? System A or B?
Quote from: winkel on Feb 18, 05:01 PM 2018
let me guess: Online-Casino
this is easy to detect, so don´t play online.
@all: Online-Casinos are all cheating. "ALL!" pls. read again "ALL are chating!"
Never ever play Online-Casinos. Never.
If anyone has a winning system, play it at b&m casino. :thumbsup:
Quote from: winkel on Feb 18, 02:08 PM 2018
not the deviation, but this:
see attached picture
title line read: after x coups there were at least
first table line: no repeater in these spins
second line: minimum 1 repeater
third line: minimum 2 repeaters
and so on
repeater is any repeater hit 2times or more
My repeaters system is designed based on this distribution.
The way to play repeaters is to -
1. bet repeaters inside the zone when they frequency distribution shows high hit rate,
2. bet the repeaters that show a current dynamic stats count that's skewed towards it,
3. bet when the conditions(based on historical data collected at the wheels you play) indicate that repeaters are ripe to appear.
In short, it's knowing
what repeaters to play,
when to play and
when to play.
Note - Like Azim and many others, I share the principles behind the system not the details in it's entirety.
Quote from: cht on Feb 18, 09:21 PM 2018
My repeaters system is designed based on this distribution.
The way to play repeaters is to -
1. bet repeaters inside the zone when the frequency distribution shows high hit rate,
2. bet the repeaters that show a current dynamic stats count that's skewed towards it,
3. bet when the conditions(based on historical data collected at the wheels you play) indicate that repeaters are ripe to appear.
In short, it's knowing what repeaters to play, when to play and where to play.
Note - Like Azim and many others, I share the principles behind the system not the details in it's entirety.
Gambling systems in general, the design has to be based on math and statistics.
Off-topic : for some weird reason my computer cannot access this website. :question:
Quote from: cht on Feb 18, 09:21 PM 2018
My repeaters system is designed based on this distribution.
The way to play repeaters is to -
1. bet repeaters inside the zone when they frequency distribution shows high hit rate,
2. bet the repeaters that show a current dynamic stats count that's skewed towards it,
3. bet when the conditions(based on historical data collected at the wheels you play) indicate that repeaters are ripe to appear.
In short, it's knowing what repeaters to play, when to play and when to play.
Note - Like Azim and many others, I share the principles behind the system not the details in it's entirety.
I will take anyone to the well. It's up to them to learn how to drink the water from the well.
Another game at +1000 units after 99 spins.
No repeater beyond 10th progression. Still max loss of 385 if no repeater after 10x10. Good return, then.
I dunno if just lucky or if it works so well. Hard to tell with just two games for stats.
True, might not work just as well with Money-profiting casino websites, but this is another topic: are online casino fair or tricked?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 18, 05:08 PM 2018
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If you replay my session from Hell, you See that the Most spins Without a repeater is (21) i think maybe play until a hit and then restart is better then quote after 10 spins. Need to investicate further. A loss is not a bad thing, as Long it is Starting within recoup limits.
I once saw a 20 step progression, don't remeber where though but i remember that it was expensive to play.
Maybe set a devider after a loss, to recoup a loss over several sessions is the way to go. Need More testing. Have a great day friends.
Quote from: cht on Feb 18, 09:21 PM 2018
Note - Like Azim and many others, I share the principles behind the system not the details in it's entirety.
So don't ask me to do it, ok?
Thanks
And stop to call me selfish because you're contradicting yourself with this statement.
Another idea is to implement a 5 or 6 virtual spin and start betting then. Then we have until spin 15 (16). Just An idea.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 19, 02:07 AM 2018
And stop to call me selfish because you're contradicting yourself with this statement.
No contradiction.
Just upgrading my approach of sharing on forums - learnt from pro forum members like Azim, Roulettebeater, you and many more, the list is long...... :thumbsup:
I shared lots of excel sheets. Lots of math principles. Lots of bet size, MM, br ideas....
A few methods with full rules on this forum. The latest here.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20028.msg191779#msg191779
(take it as it is basis)
Yes,
we are ALL SELFISH. Some of us sell at the right price. Some don't share no matter the price.
I don't agree Roulettebeater is moderated. He is just as selfish as anyone of us. The only difference is he has an itchy mouth(fingers) talking shit about things he has no intention to share on here - guilty of baiting AGAIN !!!
WTF use your god given brains RB !
If you are not careful Andre, you are next on the line. Lol :xd: :xd: :xd:
jekhb76
Heres the 140 spins,which i asked were they consecutive, if so, here's the KTF answer. +55 as set in KTF topic, so you should now leave this stream of numbers.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/19/temp_284200.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G1OvF)
This video - I borrowed from TurboGenius - explains the predictability of random events. Watch and learn from it. Design your system based on this principle.
link:s://youtu.be/NUvf6F-Whlc
Cht, I agree 100% with you
Some guys here playing the masters (they share nothing) and when others share something they get stoned!
link:s://youtu.be/AUSKTk9ENzg
well, if guessing random is that easy, why dont you guess the random numbers of the lottery?
!
Play random gambling with statistics of variable change to win - dynamic based on current events.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=8DMnAAvakh0
Quote from: Azim on Feb 18, 07:45 PM 2018
Here I will make it simple....
No Hit = 17
Hit 2 times or more = 8
Hit 1 time only = 12
What would you play? System A or B?
Sorry guys, enough is enough... i am not going to write any information on my system unless they lift the moderation.
I feel betrayed here !!!
Hi Roulettebeater ....
Need some help
Here an example ...
If in last 28 spins we have
A : Hit 1 time only = 12
B : Hit 2 times or more = 8
C : No Hit = 17
What would you play? System A or B?
So,
here is the repeater distribution, based on the 64k spins shared earlier, along with betting that would show a curve similar to the repeater. Starting to bet at spin 4 until 13, 699 units commited.
Spins 4 to 13 should cover 83% of repeaters.
I'll give it a shot...
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17018.0;attach=23164
theoretical repeater distribution
Quote from: iar000 on Feb 19, 07:46 AM 2018
Hi Roulettebeater ....
Need some help
Here an example ...
If in last 28 spins we have
A : Hit 1 time only = 12
B : Hit 2 times or more = 8
C : No Hit = 17
What would you play? System A or B?
How can you ask such a question? It is like: "Mom may I drink some water?"
Why don´t you just react and look for a more suitable Situation? Just skip the first number and add the next number and calculate until you have a situation where your small mind is possible to make an own decision.
Test 1 on new betting system (spins 4-13). scrambled to create a file to share results (new computer), so Excel file, this time.
Not bad: no failure (!?!) but once a repeater at spin 13. Close failure.
My belief is I will not like it because of higher stash/ possible loss if fail, and lower reward when hitting a repeater. Must be something about ratio net win/ max loss.
Still, it is a successfull test.
To be cont'd.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 19, 06:00 AM 2018
Sorry guys, enough is enough... i am not going to write any information on my system unless they lift the moderation.
I feel betrayed here !!!
Why are you n moderation?
We want RouletteBeater FREE!
Quote from: Azim on Feb 18, 07:45 PM 2018
Here I will make it simple....
No Hit = 17
Hit 2 times or more = 8
Hit 1 time only = 12
What would you play? System A or B?
I wouldn't play. I would get more spins and eliminating the previous number, the first ones waiting the conditions turn favorable to bet.
Here is something that caught my eye today. I was looking at some spins from Wiesbaden and it struck me how some different 9 number groups could be absent or very sparse over quite a few spins.
The 9 number groups I am talking about are.
RED/LOW = 1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16,18.
RED/HIGH = 19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36.
BLACK/LOW = 2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17.
BLACK/HIGH = 20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35.
Sure, it could be any 9 number groups.....but these are very easy to identify and track.
So in this example, there was a run of 48 numbers where the RED/HIGH numbers only appeared 3 times in the 48 spins and then hit in a flurry winning something like 4 of the next 6 spins.
I will write down the sequence of numbers from the 48 spins with an asterix to denote repeats.
1. 26
2. 1
3. 14
4. 17
5. 6
6. 14*
7. 5
8. 22
9. 16
10. 8
11. 28
12. 6*
13. 25
14. 5*
15. 6**
16. 26*
17. 31
18. 7
19. 2
20. 15
21. 33
22. 12
23. 20
24. 17*
25. 13
26. 3
27. 12*
28. 6***
29. 26**
30. 12**
31. 28*
32. 22*
33. 23
34. 6****
35. 0
36. 17**
37. 5**
38. 2*
39. 15*
40. 5***
41. 22**
42. 23
43. 28**
44. 2**
45. 24
46. 6*****
47. 15**
48. 33*
followed by....
25
0
25
At spin 28 out of those 48 numbers, only 1 RED/HIGH numbers had appeared. The 25 on spin 13. By my reckoning, the average should be about 7, so it's well short. My plan of attack was to look at all previous 28 numbers and bet all the numbers that had appeared twice or more with 1 unit. Those numbers were 14, 6, 5, 26, 17, 12. I also decided to raise the bet by 1 chip each time any one of those numbers hit again and of course add any new numbers to the list and bet which subsequently hit twice.
The result including the losses when the 25,0,25 hit on spins 49,50,51 to end the session was a profit of +126 units.
The peak was +211 a few spins earlier.
So I looked through a few different pages to see if this was just a rare event or happened enough so that it could present fairly regular betting opportunities. It appears to present itself a couple of times every few hundred spins if you are prepared to give or take a few spins either way in your calculations. You might only get 2 hits in 20 spins of a 9 number group and the session may end within 15 spins and not 20 etc...However all the ones I looked at would have ended with an ok profit. The idea stems from how we can capitalize on the repeats without it costing too much when you have 37 numbers in play and you just don't get that third hit. Sure there are still 37 pockets on the wheel when I would theoretically bet and the ball can land in anyone of them, however this is a more focussed attack looking to let variance help us.
Anyway, I hope I made things clear. Cheers.
Did you notice that the BLACK/LOWS hit 17 times in them 48 spins. Whilst like you said the RED/HIGHS only hit 3 times, these are all on the right hand side of the wheel.
Maybe we could try something here.
Track 24 spins. Which ever has hit the most and least of the groups we bet on the hot ones from each group.
Group A
RED/HIGHS
BLACK/LOWS
Group b
RED/LOWS
BLACK/HIGHS.
im interested to see the first test so ill get back to you with a test playing like this.
Cheers wiggy
Efbet Hemus Europe/Sofia time (08:25 - 10:35)
33 7 32 29 15 16 36 14 19 18 2 35 7 12 26 28 12 26 20 20 15 3 17 5
Group A
R/H=3
B/L=4. <<
Group b
R/L=9. <<
B/H=8
***Bet= R/L + B/L
3W 16W 31 21 6W 17W 23 24 28 23 11W 13W 26 17W 17W 1W 2W 22 15W 1W 7W 19 25 14W
Win= +14
Loss= +10.
Profit = +4u
You have to know when and where to bet what bias based on dynamic frequency distribution to win. :)
Quote from: cht on Feb 19, 09:58 PM 2018You have to know when and where to bet what bias based on dynamic frequency distribution to win. :)
Hi cht,
until now you showed a lot of info which could be gathered. Thanks for that.
With the picture above you want to show which info is important,
or not all is important or ???
to find a
frequency distribution which
doesn't even out in longterm. (law of big numbers)
To start a programming - which points would you propose to find such a frequency distribution ?
Hi Steve, hi tuner :)
Please be kind and revoke the moderation.
I have some interesting idea and would like to discuss it with you.
Thank you
Hey tuner,
Tomorrow is my flight to vegas...
8)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 21, 07:58 AM 2018
Hi Steve, hi tuner :)
Please be kind and revoke the moderation.
I have some interesting idea and would like to discuss it with you.
Thank you
Mr Turner please remove the moderation of my friend RB
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 21, 11:10 PM 2018
Mr Turner please remove the moderation of my friend RB
Thank you Andre !
You are honestly the only one real friend of mine here.
I appreciate your support and wish you all the luck and prosperity.
@tuner: thx and best wishes to you as well wherever you are now
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 05:25 AM 2018
Thank you Andre !
You are honestly the only one real friend of mine here.
I appreciate your support and wish you all the luck and prosperity.
@tuner: thx and best wishes to you as well wherever you are now
Thanks, RB!
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 18, 01:09 PM 2018
So,
let's brainstorm about LOTT, ok.
Just tested something, basically betting on previous number, adding one after the other and adding one unit, so betting 1x1u, 2x2u, etc until 10x10, but not beyond: maximal profit is at 5x5 and 6x6; 10x10 shows a net loss of -25. See attached.
One expects a repeater to come on or before the 10th spin, according to maths and LOTT document by Winkel.
Just tried real quick and results are good!
I'll try for longer runs, different progressions and see how it goes.
So far so good....
Ok, this was promising, but fails more often than wished. Discarded. Tried different entry points, exit points, progressions...
Sure was brainstorming....
Just a thought:
here is the net-profit graph if adding one unit every spin on a number.
Maximal profit is at spin 36 (35+1) and down to zero at 71 (35*2+1).
Same for streets, splits. Seems max profits is always at payback ratio's spin (at 12 for streets, 17-18 for splits), and zero or breakeven at 2*ratio+1 ( split at spin 35 (17*2+1)).
Just so people know. And matter to think about.
Another thought:
according to the chart here, the lines have different slopes with time.
When playing the method mentioned in anotherdiscussion ( with the green sheets, can't remember the name, was it Turbo?) would it not be right to go with the un-hit first ( steepest slope) up to say spin 24, then the repeaters from 24 to about 36, where the line is steeper than the un-hit, then double-hitters from spin 37 and on?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 25, 07:04 AM 2018
Another thought:
according to the chart here, the lines have different slopes with time.
When playing the method mentioned in anotherdiscussion ( with the green sheets, can't remember the name, was it Turbo?) would it not be right to go with the un-hit first ( steepest slope) up to say spin 24, then the repeaters from 24 to about 36, where the line is steeper than the un-hit, then double-hitters from spin 37 and on?
The Gentlemen you are refering to is Nottophammer.
Just a side Note....never bet on numbers that haven't showed. Just saying.
Well,
On spins 1-24 it'll be mostly new numbers, and from 24 on, repeaters... so why not. Some people bet on 35 numbers, hoping not to get repeaters...
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 25, 08:45 AM 2018
Well,
On spins 1-24 it'll be mostly new numbers, and from 24 on, repeaters... so why not. Some people bet on 35 numbers, hoping not to get repeaters...
Here is a graph of when to expect a third hit within 37 spins on average in 1 million spins.
Ok, thanks!
That is 46884 triples on how many doubles?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 25, 11:00 AM 2018
Ok, thanks!
That is 46884 triples on how many doubles?
I never took that into account when coding it. I did this months ago that i wanted to see, since we can expect a third hit within 24 spins, on average to see how often we can expect it. So basically this just show when a third hit comes and when a third hit has come it resets.
Hi,
I run 2 trials on 5000 spins and checked for repeaters in the last 24 spins. Turns out there were 2391 and 2397 repeaters (2 hits and more) in all 5000 spins. That is less than half.
So I did a game where I would flat bet on all numbers that did NOT show up in the last 24 spins, so betting on average on 18 numbers( from 15 to 20 most of the time). Ended up at +454 units after 200 spins (so 24 spins observed and 176 played). This is like 2,5 units per spins net, I repeat: flat betting. Hardly ever more than 4 losses in a row. The amount of numbers betted on is self regulating.
So when winning a spin, remove the bet on this number. Check if the number on the last 25th spin appears in the following spins. If not, bet on it, if so, do not add.
Balance diagram shows some ups and down but really an upward trend, have a look!
I am surprised, so far. I'll run a few more to see if sustained trend.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 26, 01:18 PM 2018
Hi,
I run 2 trials on 5000 spins and checked for repeaters in the last 24 spins. Turns out there were 2391 and 2397 repeaters (2 hits and more) in all 5000 spins. That is less than half.
So I did a game where I would flat bet on all numbers that did NOT show up in the last 24 spins, so betting on average on 18 numbers( from 15 to 20 most of the time). Ended up at +454 units after 200 spins (so 24 spins observed and 176 played). This is like 2,5 units per spins net, I repeat: flat betting. Hardly ever more than 4 losses in a row. The amount of numbers betted on is self regulating.
So when winning a spin, remove the bet on this number. Check if the number on the last 25th spin appears in the following spins. If not, bet on it, if so, do not add.
Balance diagram shows some ups and down but really an upward trend, have a look!
I am surprised, so far. I'll run a few more to see if sustained trend.
Good observation! Thanks.
Game 2:
274 at spin 200. Not as impressive but trend clear. Again: flat bettting.
JEKH,
what's the ratio 2hitters/3hitters? Grosso modo, nothing too precise...
Big Bro
Let me see if i can get this across to some members. you talk of flat betting. Well heres the green graph.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/26/temp_309534.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GRcHr)
So you all see the non-hit column.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/26/temp_121843.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GRHex)
now you see the spins and the repeats.
Now flat betting the non-hit, if you bet from spin 3 flat 35 units you win +1 everyone ok so far. You flat bet all the way to spin 12 where its a loss. But you still flat bet the 26 units and win.
Now whats the total for spin 3 to 25, flat betting total = 585. Theres 17 wins of return 36 units 17*36= 612, a profit
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/26/temp_813547.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GRZiB) (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/26/temp_321355.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GRo29)
3rd
Choppy but positive!
Flat bet spin 3 to spin 108 total 1212 units, with 1 non-hit to come and you started betting 35, you've had 34 so the 34 wins flat betting return 36 so 34*36= 1224 a profit from flat betting
Notto, you suggest flatbetting from the start, then keeping the nrs from last 24 spins? Yeah, I guess, if positive at 25...
I think the point is to use as little br as possile for max return. If progression make you lose a lot until payback, the ratio br/profit is not the same. It only helps get back earlier into profit.
I guess we could compare...
Game 2 was br of 120 for 250 profit. That was the worse.
Can you explain nothammer how you worked that out? It’s way off what I worked out I got +21 units...you are not winning plus 36 units every time hit as you have to minus the bet you placed out in or am I wrong?
bets total 1212 the 34 wins return 1224 so minus bets from return +12 units for flat bet every spin from spin3 to spin 108
If you work it out you could play 8 spin mini games as 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36
How many times would you get a repeat in 8 spin time frame ..with 35 unit bank roll? 8 spins to 1 loss?
Each 8 spin seperate games?
Not hammer I was looking at the 24 spin example
ANd in those mini games take the loss and virtual play the rest of the spins reducing the 35 unit loss minus your wins...would be interesting to know the stats on this
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 27, 02:14 PM 2018
Not hammer I was looking at the 24 spin example
Ok lets use a touchscreen, you have a BR of 35 $/£, you insert and the machine shows 35 units. Now the green chart shows spin3 theres 35 non-hit, so you place the 35units and BR shows zero, you win now the meter shows 36, you are +1 unit. So we know its 35+1, so if you take all wins as 36 units, 17*36= 612 and the 23 bets which total 585, take one from the other and theres the profit 27
Quote from: 6th-sense on Feb 27, 02:13 PM 2018
If you work it out you could play 8 spin mini games as 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36
How many times would you get a repeat in 8 spin time frame ..with 35 unit bank roll? 8 spins to 1 loss?
Each 8 spin seperate games?
46% repeaters after 8 spins.
DId a quick test on nothammers result in the 100 spin list didn’t do so good ..more repeats and the odd zero in an 8 spin time frame than I would imagine
Dollar for Dollar there is no better investment in the world than a winning system.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 26, 03:25 PM 2018
Big Bro
Let me see if i can get this across to some members. you talk of flat betting. Well heres the green graph.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/26/temp_309534.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GRcHr)
Hi,
let's say I'd play this system. Betting on unhits and Alembert when a loss. I'd have a br of 1000 units. What are the odds of reaching +100u without busting 1000u?
If the odds are lower than 10%, it would make sense to play 10 games with a goal of 100, then going Fibonacci 1,1,2,3,5,8,... so:
If br of 1000-3000: games at 1u base.
3000-5000: 2u base ;
5000-8000: 3u base...
...
10 succesful games every step.
So, what are the odds of losing 1000u br before reaching 100u? What about 200u?
Bigbroben
Look in Turbo if you know the average for Non-hits, then betting for them is not hard, nor is it hard to see when repeats should come, told you use countback to aid your decisions
I was just reading The Law of the Third that is available online, just for inspiration.
One of the main point isn't really wether to bet on repeaters or unhits, 2x's, 3x's... seems we've been arguing about this for quite a while and overseeing one point: when to bet.
Look at the Pattern breaker tread: they get hit rates pretty high but must wait many spins before attacking.
Pb: what to bet on: opposite of last pattern;
when to bet: when only one pattern left;
how long: 3 spins.
How much: subjective amounts, perhaps 1,2,4.
That is clear.
What about LOTT, so far? Ok, some think unhits are good, others rep 1x, 2x. How long: depends.
When to bet? Not a word (that I know of...).
So, why don't we check for higher accuracy by defining when to bet, when not to...
Put some extirps from the doc just for some thoughts...
Quote from: winkel on Feb 18, 02:08 PM 2018
not the deviation, but this:
see attached picture
title line read: after x coups there were at least
first table line: no repeater in these spins
second line: minimum 1 repeater
third line: minimum 2 repeaters
and so on
repeater is any repeater hit 2times or more
Graphed it: interesting. See attached.
Hi Bigbroben,
could you provide us your data in computer file form for further calculations ?
TNX
Hi,
here!
I basically copied the nrs given by a member in an Excel sheet and created a graph.
What I want to be confirmed, though, is if my calculations are ok. Pssstt... I think I got something...
I think I understand why the Hurried Split Test exposed in the LOTT document waits for 6 different splits to hit before betting.
Stats and maths!
Can anyone confirm it is about so, for 1st repeaters arriving after spin 11:
% 1st repeater coming at spin:
12: 6.32%
13: 4.68%
14: 3.51%
15: 2.50%
16: 1.62%
17: 1.04%
18: 0.57%
19+: 0.45%.
I'll explain further when someone checks and confirms. The nrs I got are from 65000 cycles. I think my %age are precise, but if someone can verify for more accuracy?
Hi Bigbroben,
tnx again for the Excel sheet.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 09, 07:15 AM 2018Can anyone confirm it is about so, for 1st repeaters arriving after spin 11:
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 09, 07:15 AM 2018% 1st repeater coming at spin:
Above are 2 different questiones.
- Repeat at spin 11 means: repeat exactly at spin 11
- Repeat after spin 11 means: spin12 or spin 13 or spin 14 ...
Here at list with repeats at exact positions:
example: {
5, 9.14329} : 1. repeat at spin nr.
5 probability: 9.14 %
{2, 2.7027}, {3, 5.25931}, {4, 7.46254},
{5, 9.14329},
{6, 10.1935}, {7, 10.5792}, {8, 10.341}, {9, 9.58236},
{10, 8.44931}, {11, 7.10453}, {12, 5.70282}, {13, 4.3717},
{14, 3.2}, {15, 2.23535}, {16, 1.48879}, {17, 0.944243},
{18, 0.569417}, {19, 0.325898}, {20, 0.176651}, {21, 0.0904612},
{22, 0.0436414}, {23, 0.0197706}, {24, 0.00837944}, {25, 0.00330845}, {26, 0.00121086},
{27, 0.000408421}, {28, 0.000126093}, {29, 0.0000353412}, {30, 8.90354*10^-6},
{31, 1.99147*10^-6}, {32, 3.89324*10^-7}, {33, 6.51701*10^-8}, {34, 9.08199*10^-9},
{35, 1.01159*10^-9}, {36, 8.44331*10^-11}, {37, 4.69435*10^-12}}
Above are theoretical= calculated values.
Thanks,
this is what I wanted.
Where did you get these value from?
These are calculated values:
probabilities for:
repeat 2 spin: 1./37.
repeat 3. spin: 36./37. * 2./37.
repeat 4. spin: 36./37. * 35./37. * 3./37.
repeat 5. spin: 36./37. * 35./37. * 34./37. * 4./37. etc
I hope you see the pattern ... ^-^
Ok,
these are maths. What about stats?
following
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 09, 10:25 AM 2018
Ok,
these are maths. What about stats?
Can you use statistics to use to your advantage in roulette? I think this is the idea in 6th back to basics thread.
12 unique
12 repeats
12/13 unhits
These are the averages. 6th asked how we can use statistics to our advantage. If you look at the blocks from left to right in a 37 spin cycle you usually have 8-12 blocks. Let’s say you have 8 blocks of numbers. The average length of numbers will be three numbers then an unhit. The average block of an unhit is 1 I believe.
For example 7,8,9 hit. 10 is unhit. Is this how to use statistics to our advantage? Doubles can either be repeaters or two numbers connected. Pairs. Pairs or repeaters is 2…..eventually they have to become 3 most of the time.
Well,
turns out no matter what the stats are saying, on the short term, like before every single spin, there is one number that is changing the odds to negative.
No matter what.
Stats from today...
Spin singles with repeats in the first half of Line Position stream... 71%
Spin singles with repeats in the first half of Street Position stream... 95%
Useless though, right.
Bigbro, what about your system repeats ?
It dosen't work?
Not useless at all.
The problem is finding the correct way to take advantage of it.
Today's game, 83% and 96%
Quote from: D1 on Apr 20, 12:34 PM 2022The problem is finding the correct way to take advantage of it.
Exactly. So, it's USE-less.
Ok I see your point.
I'm sure there is a way it's just that no one here has it :)
Aside from use-less, I'm working with loss-less.... perhaps that's enough to Win-more.
Quote from: Blueprint on Apr 20, 01:07 PM 2022
I'm sure there is a way it's just that no one here has it :)
You are wrong. I know at least one who got it.
Quote from: winkel on Apr 20, 03:53 PM 2022
You are wrong. I know at least one who got it.
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Hmmm lott can b hard to play