@ turbo

[Steve]

1 in 37

[Tinsoldiers]

1 in 37

Thank you. 


Now I have been very lucky and the ball lands in 25. I collect the chips the dealer gives and encash it. But wanted to watch what is happening and whether my luck will continue. I am a great fan of repeaters and also my lucky number is 1. I stay at the table watching the dealer spin again. Remember I have played only one spin so far which is 25. What are the odds that the next spin is my lucky number 1 and it is a repeater. Note the emphasis on “next spin” and “AND” before you give your answer.

[Steve]

1 would not be a repeater because you only considered one other spin, which was 25. Nevertheless theres a 1 in 37 chance the next spin is 1.

[Tinsoldiers]

Both statements are correct and that is what I was saying earlier. We didn’t have to go into the third question.

I am not negating what you are saying that the odds of numbers don’t change and for any number it is always 1 in 37.  What am trying to establish is as soon as you associate a character with a Number based on something that is happening in a set of spins, the odds do change. In this example it is a repeat. There are a number of characteristics one can play around with.  It opens an entirely new avenue to look at roulette numbers rather than just looking at them as individual slots in the wheel.

Now all said and done, I don’t know how to apply this in playing, but may be someone has like turbogenius.

[cht]

Oh really ? If i recall i did made a topic specially for that. But no answer came.

Lets try again...you sit down at the table with chips , drinks and NO electronic stuff.... whats your next move? 

Do you expect to be any different this time? 

[cht]

Both statements are correct and that is what I was saying earlier. We didn’t have to go into the third question.

I am not negating what you are saying that the odds of numbers don’t change and for any number it is always 1 in 37.  What am trying to establish is as soon as you associate a character with a Number based on something that is happening in a set of spins, the odds do change. In this example it is a repeat. There are a number of characteristics one can play around with.  It opens an entirely new avenue to look at roulette numbers rather than just looking at them as individual slots in the wheel.

Now all said and done, I don’t know how to apply this in playing, but may be someone has like turbogenius.

I have referred to it as the math model. This explains for the reason the casinos don't allow the use of mobile phones that aid in the stats calculations. Genius is when this process can be done with the grey cells top of our head. 

[denzie]

So your first move is.....

[Tinsoldiers]

So your first move is.....

Take a sip of that drink

[TurboGenius]

I'm not interested in childish games. I asked because it would help determine if your wins were gradual, or sudden. Again, anyone can win $300k starting with $3k with the approach I explained.

eh it's a bit childish I agree, but anything I say or post is met with "fixed" or "rigged" or that I cheated or did something impossible. But fair enough, here's the chart - not a single reset from the start (dates are shown). I did start the first few days with small chips because I was experimenting a bit to see how fair the game was. Seems legit (but will end up being "fixed" at some point because I can't possibly be telling the truth ?)
I have a large reply to the posts made since my last one, but as I'm in the 4th day of the worst flu I've ever experienced, I'm out of commission temporarily. Whatever this is, I wish it on no one. Between the hospital and my bed at home, that's been my last 4 days wrapped up. But yes I have a huge reply coming. (of course).
I almost miss Bago - he would say "Turbo is faking the flu because he doesn't want to answer questions...lame excuse !". I miss that guy, lol.



ps/ I did start a TurboTemp account name as well - because I wanted to try every trick in the book to make sure no one could cheat (I'm pretty good at finding that kind of stuff - and so far there's no way around the rules, so that's a plus in my book).

[sentinel3]

Actually it's that I understand primary school math. You cant win long term if payouts are always lower than the odds (unless they have extreme luck, but that's not "making a living" is it?). Are you saying otherwise? That would be like saying 35 can be greater than 37, for no reason at all.

Anyone paying attention would know I explain many different ways its possible to beat roulette, without a computer.

I am saying different. You cant be lucky for years. The system you use either has enough ACCURACY to hit a win in a given sequence or it doesnt.

Theres no luck there at all. A few weeks ago you said if somone has a mechanical system that really works. Why arent they taking the casinos for millions.

When I gave you the reality check about nobody being allowed to do so. Your comeback was thats nonsense. So I put to you. If its nonsense, please direct me to an online casino..That will even allow me to take them for 50k.

You gave no reply Steve. If you want to  be shown that a good mechanical system will take a casino to pieces. Im ready to show it.

The problem is these casino staff you claim will be laughing their asses off. Wont be laughing for long. Theyll be thinking up an excuse to stop me.

Because I can tell you this with absolute certainty. They will start to panic long before you will ever admit you are wrong.

They will know unless they stop me. I will take their profit margin seriously down. All I need is a casino who wont panic.

[keepontryin]

eh it's a bit childish I agree, but anything I say or post is met with "fixed" or "rigged" or that I cheated or did something impossible. But fair enough, here's the chart - not a single reset from the start (dates are shown). I did start the first few days with small chips because I was experimenting a bit to see how fair the game was. Seems legit (but will end up being "fixed" at some point because I can't possibly be telling the truth ?)
I have a large reply to the posts made since my last one, but as I'm in the 4th day of the worst flu I've ever experienced, I'm out of commission temporarily. Whatever this is, I wish it on no one. Between the hospital and my bed at home, that's been my last 4 days wrapped up. But yes I have a huge reply coming. (of course).
I almost miss Bago - he would say "Turbo is faking the flu because he doesn't want to answer questions...lame excuse !". I miss that guy, lol.



ps/ I did start a TurboTemp account name as well - because I wanted to try every trick in the book to make sure no one could cheat (I'm pretty good at finding that kind of stuff - and so far there's no way around the rules, so that's a plus in my book).

[keepontryin]

your the best turbo been listening to you since the old gamblerglen days......i believe you 100% been tryin to figure out what your doing and i must say it all sounds simple ......but ill keepontryin.......more clues may help.........

[Madi]

Why do u need online casino? Go to b$m . They allow u to pick up 50k everyday.

[denzie]

This was TG reporting live from the casino. Back to you Steve 




(Grabs popcorn)

[Steve]

I am saying different. You cant be lucky for years

Of course you can. It more depends on factors such as the amount of spins you play. If you run simulations with testing software, even with a losing system, you can see some tests show a profit after even 20,000+ spins. I played for a year with a losing system, and was profiting - until the very end. There are also many players who have been playing for many years, and have profited so far.

A good example of what happens in real casinos is at link:://:.rouletteplayers.org/leaderboard/
It shows data like bankroll, and amount of spins played, but most importantly win rate. This is the ratio between wins and losses. About 0.973 is expected because of the house edge. If you tally up all the winnings and all the losses of the players, you get 975659848/1002385765 = 0.973 as expected.

This means on average, the players combined have lost, and the casino has profited.

But still we have people with really bad luck (very low win rate). These people are convinced their system doesn't work. And we have players with very good luck (very high win rate). These people think their system is the HG. Are they right? No. All that's happening is typical variance. Some players win, some players lose.

When the spins and game are realistic, the results are usually as expected:

The columns are  BANKROLL       PLAYED SPINS    AMOUNT BET     AMOUNT LOST     WIN RATE



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I recall now you told me you had one account for messing around, and one you were trying to do well on. So what happened??

So your first move is.....

Observe the wheel design, the ball used, the dominant diamonds, and all the other typical signs that the wheel is likely to give more predictable spins than others. Professional play all starts with wheel selection. Denzie, I'm not going to give a full course right here. Like I already explained, there are free methods I already offer on my website.

When I gave you the reality check about nobody being allowed to do so. Your comeback was thats nonsense. So I put to you. If its nonsense, please direct me to an online casino.That will even allow me to take them for 50k.

No, it is simply how things work. Again it's not uncommon for players to win over $50k in one session. It more depends on the table limits. The most any of my players have won at an online casino (in one session) is something like 70k euros, and they were paid. But I have other online players that won just $500 or so and had accounts restricted, presumably because the player's activity before betting, and style of play, raised red flags.

Online casinos operate a bit differently because they can usually get away with more than a real casino would (depending on jurisdiction). Most online casinos can refuse payout for any reason they want - even if they just make up a reason. They know you wont take them to court and that even if you did, there's not much chance you'll win.

It isnt so easy for real casinos to make up excuses to refuse payout. There is video evidence that can support you. Generally in real casinos, if you win big, there will be a delay for payout as the surveillance staff check for anything suspicious in recordings. An organized team can easily avoid the attention if they know what to do. But I'm not going to discuss how we avoid detection here except to say one simply technique is splitting chips between players/people to avoid reporting thresholds.

Now for the important part: if there was a system that did not appear to be anything like advantage play, and the player won big, the casino would have no reason to suspect the big winnings were due to anything but luck. Compare roulette computers where you can only win with late bets, so you must disguise your bets with intentionally losing bets - which limits winnings. So your winnings are more limited. Now compare to something like a typical system with progression - and with such a system, it doesn't look suspicious at all. So the player can win much more without drawing any attention.

Putting it into context, an organized roulette computer team can win $5,000 - $10,000 in a typical small stakes casino usually without suspicion (much more is possible in higher stakes environments, without drawing too much attention). But if a player won twice this amount with typical system betting approaches, the casino would not get suspicious even if they won much more. And it would be much easier to win into the millions with the HG because you could play anywhere, online or real casinos, new or old wheels, bouncy balls or predictable balls -- there would be no significant limitations. So my point is if Turbo really had the HG, he could very easily be earning tens of millions in a short time. It would be very easy to avoid detection provided he kept each session below the reporting threshold, which is not hard to do. But instead what we get is turbo wasting weeks with fun money, instead of real money. If he could do it with real money on the same scale as fun money, he would be doing it. It's the same for everyone else who has the "HG".

I have referred to it as the math model. This explains for the reason the casinos don't allow the use of mobile phones that aid in the stats calculations. Genius is when this process can be done with the grey cells top of our head. 

The math is simple: payouts are lower than the odds. You cant use that to win. You cant change the payouts. You need to change the odds.

No casino "allows" electronics, because they easily beat casinos. That's my preferred method. I like to make it easy. And although it's "not allowed", it is still legal in about half of casinos. That's my choice, it doesn't affect anyone except the poor billionaire casino owners. I already explained there are ways to win without computers. I'll respond to turbo in next post.