:thumbsup: ;D Dear Friends,
Finally I could do what no one ever did. I am very serious. I have developed a very easy to understand system which is purely unbeatable. It gives slow but steady income. You can earn playing with live dealer online preferably beacause in that way you can earn money in the comfort of your home plus this purely winning system will remain unnoticed. I always hated the term "holy grail" but now after seeing its accuracy I can proudly call it one. Through this forum I openly challenge the entire roulette playing community to disprove me. I tell you a few things. Bankroll requirement: Minimum $1000 and maximum whatever you can have because it is safe and surefire. Table limit:1-500, it can be played on 1-100 also but when we are playing holy grail we should not take risk, I think skyvegas table having $1-$25000 would be best. Do not worry, normally you would not put more than $20 stake once. Earning: 15-50 units per hour, your unit may be $1 to $10 depending upon your capacity. Play more, earn more. Play bigger, earn bigger.
I openly call upon all roulette experts including Victor and other system authors to disprove me. For this, you can send me any session you have ever witnessed(not manipulated one, you better send me verifiable sessions) of not less than 500 spins and my winnings shall not be less than $500 and my bankroll of $1000 will never be exhausted.I would play at table limit of $5-$500 by a single technique. If anybody wants to challenge and he is serious send me spin sessions of live roulette in this thread and I will mark my winning number and total winning units here. Best of luck
Quote from: albalaha on Jul 08, 11:05 PM 2010
I openly call upon all roulette experts including Victor and other system authors to disprove me.
Hello dear mate, if any, I would like to encourage you.
The best proof would be you documenting your real-money winning. (Since you are doing them anyway, not a biggie to setup the record button on screen-capturing program).
This is the one I use: link:://:.rendersoftware.com/products/camstudio/ (link:://:.rendersoftware.com/products/camstudio/)
By all means go ahead and document your winnings! We have a new session exclusively for videos: link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-videos/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-videos/)
...No disproving from me;
you have the power to approve or disprove yourself by means of giving proof in recorded video of the sessions you are doing :thumbsup:
Kind regards,
Victor
Show me the Money...
Lets see what you got.
So we can prove it or not.
PS: I have a range of saved numbers from my sessions at BV.(BetVoyager)
Would they be ok to upload?
Dear Victor,
I am so excited after developing this I can't resist myself. I think I can face any challenge. The most important thing is this method is playable on even money bets and progression is very mild and not like marty etc, you can even win without any progression.
OMG............. :o
Dear Thomas,
Betvoyager doesn't have live roulette I think. Anyways, upload it. I will try my method on RNG also and will admit honestly if I do not win on RNG. Do that now, I will post the outcomes.
QuoteIf someone can give me $10,000 I would like to sell this technique or I can partner him for half profit/loss. OMG............. Shocked
Wow,
That is a lot.
I recall paying $1000 for a system.
From Murph.
But $10,000. ???
The question then is.
If it is so good.
Then why haven't you made $10,000 with it?
I get that question a lot.
Why isnt it free?
Or why is it so expensive?
Quote from: albalaha on Jul 08, 11:26 PM 2010
Dear Thomas,
Betvoyager doesn't have live roulette I think. Anyways, upload it. I will try my method on RNG also and will admit honestly if I do not win on RNG. Do that now, I will post the outcomes.
Ok, here are some numbers that when I tried them.
They failed all of my settings.
Quote from: albalaha on Jul 08, 11:22 PM 2010
Dear Victor,
I really like your attitude. I am so excited after developing this I can't resist myself. I think I can face any challenge. The most important thing is this method is playable on even money bets and progression is very mild and not like marty etc, you can even win without any progression. If someone can give me $10,000 I would like to sell this technique or I can partner him for half profit/loss. OMG............. :o
Hello albalaha, my friend.
A honest partnership with a willing party is the way to go.
In any case,
start providing public video proof of sustained wins for a reasonable time frame and
enough placed bets to be significant (at discretion of the viewer) and then perhaps someone may want to sponsor your play with larger units in exchange of a cut.
The key words here are "proof of sustained wins". First begin by posting your videos (link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-videos/) prior to thinking about sponsorships!
Kind regards.
Victor
YES -- I second that advice from Victor.
If it's really as good as you say then forget about flogging it for some outrageous sum!
Use it to make money, instead. Then folk won't be inclined to mutter behind their hands ,"If it's so good then why bother to sell it?"
That, as we all know, is a question so often posed about wild claims made on sites flogging roulette products.
Why leave yourself open to doubt and suspicion? After all, none of us actually KNOW you...do we?
Therefore, it's REALLY important to help folk believe you, Albalaha...words are just not enough on their own.
So some videos to help substantiate your claims are very necessary.
UNARGUABLE PROOF wins the day. Aim to give us that.
I suggest you make that an immediate priority.
MILD progresssion with 1000$ BR????
I'd of rather not known that you had a hg now I jus wanna know how to play thanx 4 that lol
Quote from: thomasgrant on Jul 08, 11:28 PM 2010
Wow,
That is a lot.
I recall paying $1000 for a system.
From Murph.
But $10,000. ???
The question then is.
If it is so good.
Then why haven't you made $10,000 with it?
I get that question a lot.
Why isnt it free?
Or why is it so expensive?
---From Murph---
I remember he sold you the system that I posted on RF --E/C bet.
I'd rather him of kept quiet about it no point askin for spins just 4 bragging rights
Dear Thomas grant,
You are a veteran. Your question is very good, why I am asking for $10,000 if I have the holy grail. Your $ 10,000 is half million in India. Although I have multi millions in Indian currency but it certainly has great value for me. Secondly, my method guarantees that either you will win or you will stay near your bankroll everytime and no big losses possible ever. In long run, say after 500 spins your bankroll would be way ahead. Hence you can understand, to win more with least efforts needs bigger units. I want to have a bigger bankroll to play comfortably. Thats it.
Quote from: albalaha on Jul 09, 10:39 PM 2010
Dear Thomas grant,
You are a veteran. Your question is very good, why I am asking for $10,000 if I have the holy grail. Your $ 10,000 is half million in India. Although I have multi millions in Indian currency but it certainly has great value for me. Secondly, my method guarantees that either you will win or you will stay near your bankroll everytime and no big losses possible ever. In long run, say after 500 spins your bankroll would be way ahead. Hence you can understand, to win more with least efforts needs bigger units. I want to have a bigger bankroll to play comfortably. that's it.
Then why not build it up yourself?
I turned $30 Euro into $10,000 with Super Roulette.
I admit, I was lucky.
The software cost me $300 not $10,000
Good luck in getting any member to back you, if you continue with this outrageous price tag.
Dear Thomas,
I just opened a challenge and did not offer my holy grail for sale. I am now working your numbers and publish results soon. I just have an idea that if I would ever sell it, it would be for $10,000 at least.In my country there are very few casinos and that too concentrated in a far away state. I have to rely upon online casinos and since my coutry has barred international transactions with debit/credit cards of India online it has become difficult for me to manage. let me workout these numbers.
I suspect that cultural differences are at play here.
In many parts of the world a lot of statements and beliefs are accepted on trust or with faith, and without any requirement of proof.
In other parts of the world evidence and proof is usually required to substantiate various claims, otherwise the claimant is not taken seriously.
So, as an act of kindness to yourself (so you can be taken seriously) and as an act of kindness to those of us who like claims to be substantiated before we'll accept them please post some honest, convincing, unambiguous, irrefutable evidence as PROOF of your claim "I have developed a holy grail...".
Otherwise, many will be reluctant to take you seriously.
If you're not prepared to offer proof that then perhaps -- rightly or wrongly -- some might feel you should never have started the thread.
Apologies if I come across as a touch terse but I'm fed up with thousands of claims being made all over the internet about various money-making products, money-making schemes and money-making strategies.
Trouble is, investigations often reveal that so many have issued forth from those with a tenuous grip on reality at best (yes, even the self-deluded) or from outright scammers and/or mischief-makers at worst.
So...PROOF please.
Because -- forgive me -- I can't take your claim seriously without it.
This is not a place to sell here I guess.
I didn't notice any zero's in this file ??? Am I missing something? Thanks.
Dear Friends,
Again I say I need not sell my holy grail please forget that thing and do not discuss. If I asked for spins, that is to gain confidence and to see whether a single method which I call as holy grail can succeed in the most difficult situations or not. Please do not opine anything before knowing it fully. Even I was deadly against any holy grail and used to ridicule others but after trying hundred of possible methods, this system was devised and I was amazed to see its potential. I do not want to reveal it fully but let me give you one hint. my holy grail is based upon my "law of uneven distribution". Hot becomes hotter and cold remains colder. I select a group of hot numbers within a limited earlier spins and use these numbers without any progression. Normally it appears within a timeframe, if not,they are no more hot numbers and I select another group of hot numbers and use little bit of progression. But my hot number group is different from the hot and cold numbers as shown by live casino. I can not speak any further regarding my holy grail.
I hereby call upon victor to remove my second post in this thread where I said I can sell it. Those who are not interested in this type of challenge please stay away.
Quote from: albalaha on Jul 11, 12:21 AM 2010
I hereby call upon Victor to remove my second post in this thread where I said I can sell it. Those who are not interested in this type of challenge please stay away.
No need to remove it in full; edited it a bit to keep the "spirit". You were excited by finding a winning method; it is OK to be like that.
Remember, those who actually have a winning method usually just keep it to themselves. A first reaction of sharing it with others is a reflection of your spirit. Even if sold.
I'm considering opening a real-time tipping service (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/how-much-would-you-pay-for-an-online-tipping-service-(real-time)/) myself. As long as I can deliver good win/loss ratio to keep members ahead of the averages, it couldn't possibly be considered a scam!
Same can be said about a true winning method. (I dislike using the word "holy grail", as the ancient Knights of the grail may roll on their graves shall they could know their most protected item is now-a-day related to beating a casino game! :-X :)).
If the owner can back his/her claims with facts and deliver on a consistent basis (i.e. partnership, tipping line, etc.) we wouldn't be talking scam, but a gambling-related service.
Dear Albalaha, if you are truly interested in helping others, wouldn't you consider opening your method in a sort of tipping line and offering a free trial for a reasonable amount of spins, so others can use it along their favorite online casino (virtual play) and see if it delivers.
Another option for providing proof would be to simply log into your preferred instant-messaging account and ask people who want proof to feed you their actuals, one at a time. (not the whole file, as it breaks the purpose of "proving" you can beat a set of unknown numbers as they come).
Well, just wanted to give my 2 cents.
If you really are the owner of a winning method and are looking forward to help the community without actually sharing your method's theory, THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITIES FOR DOING IT. Some could use your help to recover their losses and eventually becoming ahead of the game assisted by you; again, if and only if you can back it with realtime betting success!
Kind regards,
Victor
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 10, 10:18 PM 2010
I didn't notice any zero's in this file ??? Am I missing something? Thanks.
The numbers are from BV no zero table.
Dear Victor, Thomas Grant and other fellow members,
Thomasgrant provided me a 9000 spin sessions of betvoyager a very reputed casino. He admitted it to be a difficult one. I started playing on it with my holy grail method with a table limit of $5-$500 and bankroll of $1000 and a target winning of $500. My method has triggers and mild progressions. I used my method and in the entire playing session never went below my initial bankroll and finally achieved my target winning of $500 within I think 200-300 spins where I played on my triggers only and my loss recovery mild progressions. I have marked my winning and losing number where I waited for another trigger and played again. I have attached a msword file herewith to all of you have a look and comment. Any other veteran would like to give me most difficult session of his life here as challenge to me.
Quote from: albalaha on Jul 11, 06:00 AM 2010
Dear Victor, Thomas Grant and other fellow members,
Thomasgrant provided me a 9000 spin sessions of betvoyager a very reputed casino. He admitted it to be a difficult one. I started playing on it with my holy grail method with a table limit of $5-$500 and bankroll of $1000 and a target winning of $500. My method has triggers and mild progressions. I used my method and in the entire playing session never went below my initial bankroll and finally achieved my target winning of $500 within I think 200-300 spins where I played on my triggers only and my loss recovery mild progressions. I have marked my winning and losing number where I waited for another trigger and played again. I have attached a msword file herewith to all of you have a look and comment. Any other veteran would like to give me most difficult session of his life here as challenge to me.
Al,
I'm not sure numbers from a non-zero wheel are very useful since most of us either don't have access to such a game or if we do, can't afford the minimum unit size.
Also, difficult numbers for one system can be very favorable numbers to other systems. It's all relative.
Why not take the numbers posted by Wally on Compa's R/B Holy Grail thread. They were pretty tough to beat with his system, and mine crashed and burned big time on those numbers. There are only 800, but should show the power of your system.
Thanks,
George
QuoteI'm not sure numbers from a non-zero wheel are very useful since most of us either don't have access to such a game or if we do, can't afford the minimum unit size.
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Dear Thomas,
Did you see my holy grail potential to earn and to recover losses? You should have commented atleast if you can't appreciate. I invite everyone to provide most difficult session.
Quote from: albalaha on Jul 11, 03:59 PM 2010
Dear Thomas,
Did you see my holy grail potential to earn and to recover losses? You should have commented atleast if you can't appreciate. I invite everyone to provide most difficult session.
Well, yeah.
I look at a lot of systems.
And I try many of em.
Me, I like things to be automated.
If I can do it manually.
Then it should be able to be done in a bot.
That's my theory any way.
Quote from: thomasgrant on Jul 11, 03:40 PM 2010
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Thomas,
Thanks for the information re: betvoyager. Is it available for US citizens to play on the internet? Can you really play $0.10 min bets when playing for real money. I've never tried to open an account on-line.
Seems to good to be true.
George
Quote from: GLC on Jul 11, 04:58 PM 2010
Thomas,
Thanks for the information re: betvoyager. Is it available for US citizens to play on the internet? Can you really play $0.10 min bets when playing for real money. I've never tried to open an account on-line.
Seems to good to be true.
George
Here read this post.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/betcruise-%28betvoyager%29-and-usa-players/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/betcruise-%28betvoyager%29-and-usa-players/)
And the minimum is $0.01c a bet.
Lowest table limits I have seen anywhere online.
If need any assistance with it.
Let me know.
Depending upon the state in which you live, be careful. Some prosecute agressively, while others don't seem to care. In some states it's a felony conviction. You may want to read the below:
link:://:.gambling-law-us.com/State-Law-Summary/ (link:://:.gambling-law-us.com/State-Law-Summary/)
It sucks, but it's better to go in knowing.
You have not seen 1 cent table, skyvegas has a 1penny table and roulette69.com too has 1c table, and betvoyager has 1 cent table. I always recommend three of them for those looking for low stakes betting. can anyone suggest the fourth casino having 1c/p bets? By the way no one has yet commented upon my success. Anybody else would like to give a difficult session?
good 4 u, u have a great system, congratulations :thumbsup:
Thanks Iggiv,
I am waiting for comments from thomas grant who gave his numbers. He is online now and I invited him for chat.
btw, old playtech software from casinos like William Hill, and some others (not the new one u have to download now) lets u put 1 c stakes on their numbers on live wheel. minimum bet is 10c, but chips can be 1 c each, so if u wanna make 1 c bet say on one number, then u put also 5 c on red and black each. u r screwed up only if zero comes up, but otherwise u get your 10 c back all right.
but again -- if u did not download their soft before, if u gonna it now, then it is a new interface, and minimum chip is 10 c on live wheels
Dear Iggiv,
I am member of at least 150 online casinos and none provide 1c bet on live wheels, however, 1 c can be added in some places if you already put 10c somewhere, i.e. total stake at a time can not be less than 10c. If there is any casino you know offering smaller bets on live casinos, please let me know. Where is thomas? I pm him for chat but he never responds quickly.
Quote from: albalaha on Jul 11, 10:48 PM 2010
Dear Iggiv,
I am member of at least 150 online casinos and none provide 1c bet on live wheels, however, 1 c can be added in some places if you already put 10c somewhere, i.e. total stake at a time can not be less than 10c. If there is any casino you know offering smaller bets on live casinos, please let me know. Where is thomas? I pm him for chat but he never responds quickly.
Sorry, missed you again.
Was out walking the dog.
And yes I do have a dog.
link:://twitter.com/mydogcoco (link:://twitter.com/mydogcoco)
Here is a collection of numbers from BV, Dublin and playtech.
See what you can make of em.
albalaha, you keep sending me messages to come and join you in chat room.
I have sent you a pm asking you for to give me a specific time and date for a chat.
I would like to chat with you. And find out more about the holy grail of yours.
But if your not going to give me a time a date of when your going to be in the chat room.
Then I will be unable to assist you.
So please send me a time and date.
So I can be there.
GMT or your local country and state time.
So I can look it up.
And try and be there.
Ok?
Anybody else would like to challenge?
try playtech as i told u. William Hill for instance. old software (if u have 1 c chip there).
put 1 c say on RED, then put 5 c on low and 5 on high. So if no zero appears u have 1 c bet.
it works with all old soft for playtech casinos like W.H, nova21, prestige, sky kings, eurogrand -- casinos which have 1 c chip
Dear Friends,
I have got another challenger as <removed as per member request>. He has sent me 715 spins from his local casino. I will play it two ways, one through any of six technique of my king system and again through my holy grail. Hope to come to you soon.
so... the main concept of this thread is to brag about a system you developed? or did I missed something?
I only noticed one 9000 spin file by TG which was converted to a 300spin test by you.. that is all..
I completed my challenge. A manual trial can be very exhaustive.
Live table B&M casino on single zero.
20
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33
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31
9
20
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5
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32
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21
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2
31
36
32
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3
20
16
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36
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12
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let see the winnings.
dear twocando,
give me atleast 200 real spin session which can be verified later as true and not imaginary and I would use holy grailon it. My holy grail starts betting after a particular trigger, hence it may be possible that I do not bet on even 50 spins if trigger doesnot come.
Sorry to hear this, to wait for a play must be hell.
It takes only six spins to play for me.
Ye 50 spins is alot, it's more than one hour if you play real wheel.. Then you must be very patient.
I can play for even 6-8 hours if I can ensure a winning. I prefer it than losing.
I am locking this thread because I am not getting any input of difficult sessions and this has become a room for hot debates than a challenge for me. If anybody interested in giving a challenging session, email that to me at earnsumit@gmail.com