I have developed a holy grail- an open challenge to all experts

[albalaha]

Dear Thomas,
               I just opened a challenge and did not offer my holy grail for sale. I am now working your numbers and publish results soon. I just have an idea that if I would ever sell it, it would be for $10,000 at least.In my country there are very few casinos and that too concentrated in a far away state. I have to rely upon online casinos and since my coutry has barred international transactions with debit/credit cards of India online it has become difficult for me to manage. let me workout these numbers.

[esoito]

I suspect that cultural differences are at play here.

In many parts of the world a lot of statements and beliefs are accepted on trust or with faith, and without any requirement of proof.

In other parts of the world evidence and proof is usually required to substantiate various claims, otherwise the claimant is not taken seriously.


So, as an act of kindness to yourself (so you can be taken seriously) and as an act of kindness to those of us who like claims to be substantiated before we'll accept them please post some honest, convincing, unambiguous, irrefutable evidence as PROOF of your claim "I have developed a holy grail...".

Otherwise, many will be reluctant to take you seriously.

If you're not prepared to offer proof that then perhaps -- rightly or wrongly -- some might feel you should never have started the thread.

Apologies if I come across as a touch terse but I'm fed up with thousands of claims being made all over the internet about various  money-making products,  money-making schemes and  money-making strategies.

Trouble is, investigations often reveal that so many have issued forth from those with a tenuous grip on reality at best (yes, even the self-deluded) or from outright scammers and/or mischief-makers at worst.

So...PROOF please.

Because -- forgive me -- I can't take your claim seriously without it.

[iggiv]

This is not a place to sell here I guess.

[Wally Gator]

I didn't notice any zero's in this file   Am I missing something?  Thanks.

[albalaha]

Dear Friends,
                    Again I say I need not sell my holy grail please forget that thing and do not discuss. If I asked for spins, that is to gain confidence and to see whether a single method which I call as holy grail can succeed in the most difficult situations or not. Please do not opine anything before knowing it fully. Even I was deadly against any holy  grail and used to ridicule others but after trying hundred of possible methods, this system was devised and I was amazed to see its potential. I do not want to reveal it fully but let me give you one hint. my holy grail is based upon my "law of uneven distribution". Hot becomes hotter and cold remains colder. I select a group of hot numbers within a limited earlier spins and use these numbers without any progression. Normally it appears within a timeframe, if not,they are no more hot numbers and I select another group of hot numbers and use little bit of progression. But my hot number group is different from the hot and cold numbers as shown by live casino. I can not speak any further regarding my holy grail.
                                                I hereby call upon victor to remove my second post in this thread where I said I can sell it. Those who are not interested in this type of challenge please stay away.

[VLS]

I hereby call upon Victor to remove my second post in this thread where I said I can sell it. Those who are not interested in this type of challenge please stay away.

No need to remove it in full; edited it a bit to keep the "spirit". You were excited by finding a winning method; it is OK to be like that.

Remember, those who actually have a winning method usually just keep it to themselves. A first reaction of sharing it with others is a reflection of your spirit. Even if sold.

I'm considering opening a real-time tipping service myself. As long as I can deliver good win/loss ratio to keep members ahead of the averages, it couldn't possibly be considered a scam!

Same can be said about a true winning method. (I dislike using the word "holy grail", as the ancient Knights of the grail may roll on their graves shall they could know their most protected item is now-a-day related to beating a casino game!   ).

If the owner can back his/her claims with facts and deliver on a consistent basis (i.e. partnership, tipping line, etc.) we wouldn't be talking scam, but a gambling-related service.

Dear Albalaha, if you are truly interested in helping others, wouldn't you consider opening your method in a sort of tipping line and offering a free trial for a reasonable amount of spins, so others can use it along their favorite online casino (virtual play) and see if it delivers.

Another option for providing proof would be to simply log into your preferred instant-messaging account and ask people who want proof to feed you their actuals, one at a time. (not the whole file, as it breaks the purpose of "proving" you can beat a set of unknown numbers as they come).

Well, just wanted to give my 2 cents.

If you really are the owner of a winning method and are looking forward to help the community without actually sharing your method's theory, THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITIES FOR DOING IT. Some could use your help to recover their losses and eventually becoming ahead of the game assisted by you; again, if and only if you can back it with realtime betting success!

Kind regards,
Victor

[ThomasGrant]

I didn't notice any zero's in this file   Am I missing something?  Thanks.

The numbers are from BV no zero table.

[albalaha]

Dear Victor, Thomas Grant and other fellow members,
                   Thomasgrant provided me a 9000 spin sessions of betvoyager a very reputed casino. He admitted it to be a difficult one. I started playing on it with my holy grail method with a table limit of $5-$500 and bankroll of $1000 and a target winning of $500. My method has triggers and mild progressions. I used my method and in the entire playing session never went below my initial bankroll and finally achieved my target winning of $500 within I think 200-300 spins where I played on my triggers only and my loss recovery mild progressions. I have marked my winning and losing number where I waited for another trigger and played again. I have attached a msword file herewith to all of you have a look and comment. Any other veteran would like to give me most difficult session of his life here as challenge to me.

[GLC]

Dear Victor, Thomas Grant and other fellow members,
                   Thomasgrant provided me a 9000 spin sessions of betvoyager a very reputed casino. He admitted it to be a difficult one. I started playing on it with my holy grail method with a table limit of $5-$500 and bankroll of $1000 and a target winning of $500. My method has triggers and mild progressions. I used my method and in the entire playing session never went below my initial bankroll and finally achieved my target winning of $500 within I think 200-300 spins where I played on my triggers only and my loss recovery mild progressions. I have marked my winning and losing number where I waited for another trigger and played again. I have attached a msword file herewith to all of you have a look and comment. Any other veteran would like to give me most difficult session of his life here as challenge to me.

Al,

I'm not sure numbers from a non-zero wheel are very useful since most of us either don't have access to such a game or if we do, can't afford the minimum unit size.

Also, difficult numbers for one system can be very favorable numbers to other systems.  It's all relative.

Why not take the numbers posted by Wally on Compa's R/B Holy Grail thread.  They were pretty tough to beat with his system, and mine crashed and burned big time on those numbers.  There are only 800, but should show the power of your system.

Thanks,

George

[ThomasGrant]

I'm not sure numbers from a non-zero wheel are very useful since most of us either don't have access to such a game or if we do, can't afford the minimum unit size.

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[albalaha]

Dear Thomas,
                         Did you see my holy grail potential to earn and to recover losses? You should have commented atleast if you can't appreciate. I invite everyone to provide most difficult session.

[ThomasGrant]

Dear Thomas,
                         Did you see my holy grail potential to earn and to recover losses? You should have commented atleast if you can't appreciate. I invite everyone to provide most difficult session.

Well, yeah.
I look at a lot of systems.
And I try many of em.
Me, I like things to be automated.
If I can do it manually.
Then it should be able to be done in a bot.
That's my theory any way.

[GLC]

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Thomas,

Thanks for the information re: betvoyager.  Is it available for US citizens to play on the internet?  Can you really play $0.10 min bets when playing for real money.  I've never tried to open an account on-line.

Seems to good to be true.

George

[ThomasGrant]

Thomas,

Thanks for the information re: betvoyager.  Is it available for US citizens to play on the internet?  Can you really play $0.10 min bets when playing for real money.  I've never tried to open an account on-line.

Seems to good to be true.

George

Here read this post.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/betcruise-%28betvoyager%29-and-usa-players/

And the minimum is $0.01c a bet.
Lowest table limits I have seen anywhere online.

If need any assistance with it.
Let me know.

[Wally Gator]

Depending upon the state in which you live, be careful.  Some prosecute agressively, while others don't seem to care.  In some states it's a felony conviction.  You may want to read the below:

link:://:.gambling-law-us.com/State-Law-Summary/

It sucks, but it's better to go in knowing.