Question for Advantage Players

[Scarface]

I admit I'm no expert when it comes to advantage play.  I assume it involves alot of tracking beforehand to find a bias wheel.  Since true bias cannot be found in a couple hundred spins, I assume it takes tracking thousands or even tens thousand spins just in hope to find a bias enough to overcome the house edge.

But wouldn't such a strong bias also be discovered by the casino.  Every casino I've played tracks all numbers hit.  A simple wheel adjustment or change out would be all it takes to ruin days of tracking.  Or something as simple as changing the ball could also affect it.

Guess I'm just curious as to how some one would play this method in a practical way.  In theory it sounds good.  Alot like card counting in roulette, but now with constant shuffles and 6 deck shoes it seems impractical.

I am more concerned with what the wheel has hit in the last 20 spins.  Maybe winning is due to variance, maybe bias...I don't know.

Since advantage players seem to disregard systems so much, I'm curious as to how you play this game.

[Steve]

Since true bias cannot be found in a couple hundred spins, I assume it takes tracking thousands or even tens thousand spins just in hope to find a bias enough to overcome the house edge.

No practical amount of spins is 100% proof of bias. More spins simply means more assured. When you combine what you see and hear at a wheel, you can assess bias in far fewer spins. See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-wheel-bias/

But wouldn't such a strong bias also be discovered by the casino. 

The bias analysis software checks for bias over thousands of spins, and does not properly segregate data. So an experienced player, with the right techniques, can find a bias before the casino. You'd think the casinos would be one step ahead of players. Actually its the other way around. Players spend far more time finding secrets of the game than wheel designers and casino staff.

Alot like card counting in roulette, but now with constant shuffles and 6 deck shoes it seems impractical.

It's only a matter of time before equipment to see through cards becomes common. But card counting is mostly a thing of the past, except in some areas.

Since advantage players seem to disregard systems so much

It's not "systems" we disregard. It's the principles that are so well known to fail, with a knowledge of WHY they fail. Like thinking the sequence 1,1,1,1,1 will happen any less than any other sequence.

[BellagioOwner]

It's only a matter of time before equipment to see through cards becomes common.

Any sources on that? Without any testings on precognition and at what degree it can work. Sounds crazy! That could be a huge upset for many games. from blackjack to poker etc. I guess casions coud find some ways to cover protect the cards/sleeves as well?

[Steve]

Any sources on that?

Me. I have equipment that does it without needing a radiation source from beneath the table or behind the card. But it is not perfect. I can at least see it works.

Without any testings on precognition and at what degree it can work.

It has been tested. But because it all needs to be done manually, testing statistically significant amount of spins is impractical. I've done my own testing with groups of players with good results, but I havent had time to do further testing. Still it has more merit than RRRRRB.

Why does it sound crazy? The science is there.

I guess casions coud find some ways to cover protect the cards/sleeves as well?

Yes it would be easy for casinos to deal with if cards are being seen through. But stopping precognition is a very different thing for them.

[MumboJumbo]

Searching for bias is waste of time, try to find a working system or method instead of bias wheel it will save you time and money.

[Steve]

I wouldnt say its a waste of time. Some of my players still find biased wheels and do pretty well. But it's much harder work than other approaches.

[RouletteGhost]

it will save you time and money.

Will also save you from traveling your entire life casino to casino

[Steve]

Rg yes you can waste a lot of time with no results.  Its like that with any AP, although more so with bias.

But when you find the right conditions, you can earn a lifetime of income and set yourself up for life. Compared to 9-5 jobs, even bias is the better option. Not that bias is so great.  More that 9-5 is on the same level as slavery.

[Turner]

Rg yes you can waste a lot of time with no results.  Its like that with any AP, although more so with bias.

But when you find the right conditions, you can earn a lifetime of income and set yourself up for life. Compared to 9-5 jobs, even bias is the better option. Not that bias is so great.  More that 9-5 is on the same level as slavery.

Is it easy to be playing what you think is a bias wheel and you had actually seen some maths bias and are just playing with no edge..in fact...negative HE?

[Steve]

The reason you do proper analysis is to minimize the risk. The player needs to disassociate from the time it takes and look at the math. Ie thinking long term.

Also if you know what to look and listen for, it gives additional validation of bias.

There is never no risk. Even the casino can lose in the short term.

[Turner]

So there is an ellement of luck (yes...these are loaded questions)

[Steve]

Theres an element of chance with everything in life.  Every investment or decision. Even a casino can have a losing day. But proper application of any technique, in the long term, will be profitable. When you have a real edge, profit is a matter of time.

[Turner]

@Steve
Just thinking...as I read a book on quantum theory on holiday....I come up with an idea based on action at distance
I see the last number and count back that amount and pick that and the next 2

Lol....its worked a treat

You say it will lose because of the negative expectancy of the game

.....because it flies in the face of proven maths. The truth there of.

So why do you believe in pre cognition in roulette?....even though I could "caleb" you for years every time you posted about it because it flies in the face of maths and reality.

[Scarface]

I've been somewhat interested in the precognition aspect myself.  This would be an interesting topic on its own.  There have been several long term experiments that do seem to suggest precognition is a real thing.  However, being able to replicate these experiments and get the same results have always been the big problem in science.

As weird as quantum physics is, I wouldn't rule it out.  Even from a biological view, precognition would definitely be an advantage when it comes to evolution.

Now, if we can just figure out how to use that "gut feeling" to over come the house edge in roulette

[RouletteGhost]

Watch bashar on youtube

Im not saying he is who he says he is. He could be crazy. But the message is great

Create your own reality

Anything you can imagine already exists

Remote viewing

Shift to a reality where your number hits

Its crazy talk. But......