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Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jun 25, 04:15 PM 2010
Thanks
but it is preaty hard to track.. specialy if you are time limited

Quote from: iggiv on Jun 25, 05:26 PM 2010
either  I don't get something or the progression is losing. if we bet 16 numbers or 8 splits, we can not bet it

8
8
16
16
24
24
32
32
40
40


unless we are ready to lose money.

am I right or wrong?

Quote from: sherminator on Jun 25, 06:24 PM 2010
Just to make sure that I understand, it looks like you are waiting for all 9 sectors to appear.
Then once all the 9 sectors appear, you are betting the 4 that are furthest away.

So for example, if you see sectors. . .

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

Then the 4 furthest sectors are 1,2,3,4.

One of the qualifications for playing this method however is that the 4 furthest sectors must include all dozens and columns.

So in this case, sector 1 covers dozen 1 and column 1.
sector 2 covers dozen 1 and column 2.
sector 3 covers dozen 1 and column 3.
sector 4 covers dozen 2 and column 1.

So as you can see, the 4 furthest back sectors cover all dozens and columns (1,2,3)

If I am wrong, then I have just made a fool of myself, lol.

So please correct me F LAT INO if I am wrong.

Once again, thanks for sharing.

Quote from: GLC on Jun 25, 06:48 PM 2010
F.

"It is impossible to cover all 6 doz and col with these 8 bets."

After thinking about this statement, I think you can cover all dozens and all columns with 4 crossings.

Crossings 1,5,9 or 3,5,7 would cover dozens and columns, so, I guess we'll have to wait for F LAT INO to clarify for us.

Sorry if I caused any confusion guys.

G.

Quote from: keel44 on Jun 25, 06:56 PM 2010
I have trouble following your tracking rules.  On your spreadsheet, your first trigger is 4,6,7,8.  I understand that.  Your 2nd trigger says 3,4,7,8.  Your trigger should be:  8,7,4,6 --which does not qualify.

Am I wrong here??



KEEL

Quote from: sherminator on Jun 25, 06:24 PM 2010
Just to make sure that I understand, it looks like you are waiting for all 9 sectors to appear.
Then once all the 9 sectors appear, you are betting the 4 that are furthest away.

So for example, if you see sectors. . .

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

Then the 4 furthest sectors are 1,2,3,4.

One of the qualifications for playing this method however is that the 4 furthest sectors must include all dozens and columns.

So in this case, sector 1 covers dozen 1 and column 1.
sector 2 covers dozen 1 and column 2.
sector 3 covers dozen 1 and column 3.
sector 4 covers dozen 2 and column 1.

So as you can see, the 4 furthest back sectors cover all dozens and columns (1,2,3)

If I am wrong, then I have just made a fool of myself, lol.

So please correct me F LAT INO if I am wrong.

Once again, thanks for sharing.

Quote from: GLC on Jun 25, 06:48 PM 2010
F.

Thanks very much for sharing this system.  Your example looks very promising.  We are eager to start testing it.  We just need to make sure we have all the rules right.  No sense in testing it the wrong way.

Sherm,

Thanks for helping us understand.  I agree with everything you said except when you said that the 4 crossing must cover every doz and col.  You will notic that your example does not cover doz 3.  It is impossible to cover all 6 doz and col with these 8 bets. 

If you will notice in F's reply #3 he stated that the crossings must "touch" every doz and col.  That is doable.

To bet we just place a chip on the 8 splits.  If lose mark off the crossing we just played.  See if the last 4 crossings touch each of the 6 dozs and cols.  Then bet 1 chip on each of the 8 splits.  Continue this way while losing with 1 chip ea, 1 chip ea, 2 chips ea, 2 chips ea, 3 chips ea, etc...  Anytime we are +10 or more, start over tracking the nine crossings.

What do you think?

Once again, Thanks F LAT INO for sharing.

P.S.  Please don't let Atlantis know my ADD has kicked in already.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jun 25, 05:43 PM 2010

You are very wrong--what else to say, except try it and you will find out.

Quote from: weddings on Jun 26, 10:44 AM 2010
May I ask about the progression?
Unit - Bet - Total - Win -Net
1   8   8   17   9
1   8   16   17   1
2   16   32   34   2
2   16   48   34   -14
3   24   72   51   -21
3   24   96   51   -45
4   32   128   68   -60
4   32   160   68   -92
5   40   200   85   -115
5   40   240   85   -155
6   48   288   102   -186
6   48   336   102   -234

In your excel file:
8-
8-
16-
16-
24-
24-
32-
40+  >>> Here you are betting 4 units per split winning you 4 * 17 = $68 profit but after you minus your net loss your are left $68 - $160 = Loss of $92.

For example if we win at the 8 progression do we continue to bet 4 units until we are a profit of 10+?

If so may I know the lowest session loss you have gone to? From the excel I can see it is $152.

Hope we can clear all doubts before trying your system thanks!

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jun 26, 12:15 PM 2010
Iggy my friend,
You are doing it all wrong.

We are betting-ONLY-on sectors that are touching,are connected,covering--
all dozens and all columns.INSTANCE;
SECTORS;
1----DOZ 1-----------COL.1
5     DOZ 2-----------COL.2
8     DOZ 3-----------COL.2
9     DOZ 3-----------COL.3

We are not betting 8 splits as you imagined/all in same columns/therefore my friend
re-read the excel  attached,then you will see that you are WRONG once more.

Quote from: iggiv on Jun 26, 12:28 PM 2010
well, some kind of confusion here...but how can it work on a long run even if the  progression works? I don't get it.
u understand that we have just a few  spins to win, and your system is based on covering
some sleepers with complicated configuration? Why would it work in a long run?

in a few hundred spins there will be quite a few cases when a few times the ball will fall on some numbers which are not connected anyhow to the previous few spins. How u can avoid this? Who cares what columns and dozens are "touched" by splits?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jun 26, 12:45 PM 2010
Iggy dear,
Sorry but must tell you that you are Wrong again.I suggest you test this some more--
or if you wish--you can produce last 6-8 sessions of Wiesbaden,Hamburg or any real played sessions----and could bet you on it,Buddy.
Why would it work in the long run?????
Cause it works for me 3 years--and I believe it could work for you also,but it seems
that you had a bad experience with progressive kind of bets,but since you never come across such a bet as this---try it and you will see a difference,compering to other
similar bets.And it is very important that these 4 punting sectors are touching all
dozens and columns--but that will live to your own imagination-or rather -your
personal knowledge about randomness.

Quote from: iggiv on Jun 26, 12:57 PM 2010

well, I am washing my hands on this. if u have played with this sysem for 3 years....
either u have long-long wave of luck or I don't understand a thing about how the roulette wheel works. I wish u to keep winning but unfortunately I don't believe in magic.

that's how I believe this system can win for considerable amount of time.

For me trying to play this system is like saying " try to jump regularly from a roof to a roof where it is not too dangerous, just don't go over 3 floors and watch that the distance between them is no more than a couple of meters. I have been doing this for 3 years, I am OK, never has fallen down so far. "

Quote from: weddings on Jun 26, 12:39 PM 2010
yea agree with iggy, but maybe that's one of Flat's trigger.  I do think it work for the short term but not in the long term.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jun 26, 01:35 PM 2010
And why not in the long term????
Could you show us some examples from real spins.
You must try it instead of thinking negatively.

Quote from: iggiv on Jun 26, 04:28 PM 2010
these are not books, these are results of observations. Practical results. I am convinced I know what I am talking about and the same u can say about yourself. Let a 3rd party draw conclusions. Let somebody else more open-minded than me to test your system for a long run. I will appreciate the results. I am not gonna do it since I know what results I will get :)
your system needs quite an effort, I will use it for something else, sorry, pal.

Quote from: iggiv on Jun 26, 04:55 PM 2010
Well, if I have some more time on my hands in future I will try to prove your system as a loser.
I hope and wish though that u yourself will stay a winner :thumbsup:

It's been a nice discussion, and I hope maybe someone will help me to make my point stronger.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jun 26, 05:09 PM 2010
Would really wish to see that happen,but again
it wouldn't mean the method is a loser--as you will have to
show us all winning sessions also.
Me to prove it /as have lot of retirement free days/will tray to post fresh spins from Wiesbaden every now and again,-not in excel-but like others do--and you can checked it up.Sorry for USA was just beatten by Ghana.

Quote from: iggiv on Jun 26, 05:36 PM 2010
remember the results are in averages. If it is wnning much more than losing and u have been playing this method for years can u pls tell us how many units u win average. I don't care about  real money amounts, just units. If the method is consistently winning it could make u rich in 3 years, am I right?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jun 25, 04:43 PM 2010
After tracking all 9 sectors,after is very
easy---when you memorise 9 sectors-/like a wheel lay out/
just bet only on 4 furthest  crossings that are covering
-touching all columns and dozens.

Quote from: Compa on Jun 27, 05:58 AM 2010
Yeah! This is a very simple method!

Sector:     Splits:
1          1/4-7/10   
2          2/5-8/11   
3          3/6-9/12   
4          13/16-19/22   
5          14/17-20/23   
6          15/18-21/24   
7          25/28-31/34                          
8          26/29-32/35   
9          27/30-33/36   

Track:
12
6
3
18

3.3.3.6

Cheers!

Quote from: Compa on Jun 27, 05:18 PM 2010
I see. So fill in the blanks on this one mate. Thanks.

Cheers!

Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jun 28, 06:02 AM 2010
1 more question... What do you mean with.. No retracking... When do you continue without retracking..

Quote from: Compa on Jun 28, 06:43 AM 2010
No mate. its NOT CLEARLY Explained at all.

It is VERY Complicated explained. If it would had been CLEARLY explained, this thread would had been only a couple of posts long.

And fully explained in the First Post without any Aattachements. A system with an attachement is at most equal to a very Complicated BetSelection;)

Cheers!

Quote from: dennisbelle on Jun 28, 11:44 AM 2010
When you win but you are still behind in units do you go back 1 step in the progression for your next bet?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jun 28, 04:24 PM 2010
Yes,and you can see it from attachment posted
of WIESBADEN yesterday actuals.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jun 28, 05:44 PM 2010
btw-will daily post Wiesbaden results--and will
explain why this method wins on the long run-but after we find out
it first.

Quote from: GLC on Jun 28, 10:40 PM 2010
F LAT INO,

Thank  you very much for sharing this method of playing roulette with us.  Your 40 years experience can save a lot of us many years of going over the same trails you have traveled down.  In todays world, we don't have much respect for the knowledge acquired by our elders and, therefore, waste a lot of time going over the same ground.  I have a good feeling about this system and want to really sink my teeth into it.

I think I understand everything about the system, but would like to ask a few questions.

1.  How important is it to track until all 9 of the sector have hit before beginning betting?
Not so important,but just to know when to start.

2.  I notice that most of the time on a win if you're not plus, you go back 2 steps in the progression.  A couple of times only 1 step.  Is this just arbitrary or do you use a signal, gut feeling, etc...?Am not so graet in maths,but am aiming 10 or more +

3.  Is covering all 3 dozens and all 3 columns the most important part of the trigger to bet?
It is the most important part of this method--will be explaining it late.


4.  If so, why play 4 sectors instead of 3?  With 3 sectors you have a lose 6 or win 12 ratio.  Seems like it may work better.Wrong my friend--will explain this also.

5.  You said that you could use 5 sectors which is lose 10 win 8.  Is this equal to or worse than using 4 sectors?Actually it would be similar bet,and one would bet almost each spin--it would be like a dozen&column bet 20 numbers,and require larger BR

6.  Have you ever played this on-line or on an airball roulette wheel?

Well, I think that's enough for now.  I'll be eagerly awaiting your reply.Only land live casino.

Thanks for all the time you're spending teaching us this system.

Regards,
George

Quote from: GLC on Jun 30, 04:43 PM 2010
F.

I tested the same numbers as you did for June 27, but I came up with different results.  I may be doing 1 thing wrong.  So I have a question.

When you say to erase repeated sectors, do you mean that there should only be the 9 active sectors to choose from and we pick the 4 furthest back.  This would mean that to have 9 unique sectors we might have to look back 20 or more spins.

G

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 03, 04:12 PM 2010
From last attachment have changed a staking progression
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-///BR-293-but the winning ratio is much higher.
The rules are same,always aiming 10+ or more.
8-sessions 7 wins and 1 egal.
-btw-book 8 is also wiesbaden table 3 from yesterday.

Quote from: GLC on Jul 03, 08:32 PM 2010
F.

I like your new staking progression.  I have run all the past sessions through a variety of staking plans and the one you have chosen usually did very well.  It tends to win 50% to 150% more than your original progression.  

The drawdown gets larger quicker, and it tanks in pretty much the same runs as the original, but I think the larger wins "MAY" more than make up for the risk in the long-run.  It seems to be tougher to pull out of a 5 or 6 string of losses.  Especially is they're followed by a win or two and then another string of 3 or 4 losses.  That's a killer.  But probably kills any progression on this system.  More testing will tell.

G.

P.S.  I see you got the spins for 6-30 and 7-1.  Good deal.

Quote from: Twocando on Jul 04, 12:57 PM 2010
Hi Boban  ( from author of book files)

Thanks for this method and it's discipline playing method it works.   yes I made a change to it and only use three sectors, not four.  If the 3 sectors covers dozen 1. 2. 3.  and column 1. 2. 3 then its a play.  I'm not saying that one need to change this method it was only to test it.

If in the last 5 spins there are 5 different sectors and the other 4 sectors not out yet are from dozen 1. 2. 3 and in column 1. 2. 3 Then I play these sectors to exit.  

Thanks for it, just something that I picked up.  In the 9 sectors there are 4 sectors that's even numbers, sector 2 - 4 - 6 - 8 and five sectors that's odd 1 - 3 - 5 - 7 - 9.  If one is eager to play then one can just pick the even numbered sectors and play them with the progression.  On the carpet you will see how easy it is to follow.  Trend to follow.  Odd to odd and even to even on the sector.  

I tried to cheat the method, play the last missing sector.  lol stayed out of play for 13 spins.  A good reason to wait till all the sectors exit.


This is surely the easiest why to play.  

Thanks and cheers.

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 04, 05:19 PM 2010
F_LAT_INO, I tried playing your system on real spins on RX. I don't know what do wrong, I watched your examples, I changed sectors consistently (if there was repeat of sector pattern to bet, I moved on, skipped it).

but I lost over 100 units in a row. one small win only. I have suggestion for  you though. Either too hot or too cold sectors are tending to lose, the middle may be the best choise, think about it. Maybe 4 sectors in the middle to bet. I mean 4 second to the last sectors.

anyway, I lost many times in a row. I still think playing sleepers does not make sense. I can't understand how and why this system is winning consistently with  you.

what the other guys say?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 07, 10:47 AM 2010
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Hard session yesterday,but still 13 the.successful Wiesbaden
session beat.

Cheers

Quote from: GLC on Jul 08, 12:48 AM 2010
F.

Just wanted to let you know that I went back over all 11 of the sessions you posted and used the +8 on loss -8 on win.  I only bet  enough to be in the plus which helped keep my bets a little lower, and anytime I was plus anything, I started over at 8.  In other words I didn't wait until I was +10 to start over.

I had a stop-loss of 300+.  In other words, anytime I was less than 300 down I made one more bet and if it lost and I was over 300 in the hole, I look the loss and started over at 8.

I only had 3 losses.  They were for -352, -334 & -306.  I got close on a couple of other occassions but stayed above -300 and recovered for a win.

We won 3434 and lost 992 for a net win of 2,442 units.  Even at $1 units that's not a bad showing.

There are a lot of spins played to still be up that much.  Looks like a very profitable system.  I think we have gone over 3000 spins and still up a bunch, so it passes the test that one of our comrads recommended.  (Sorry, I can't recall who suggested the 3000 spin test.)

If this keeps up, this is a very, very good system.  I didn't calculat this exactly, but it looks like the system wins at about .75 units per spin, give or take.  That's respectable in anybody's book.

Thanks for all your hard work in posting the sessions.

George
[/quote/
With me there was only one egal session while all other won.
That is probably cause in situations when I'm hitting a sky-high of my BR--288-am
adding previous winnings of that particular session and both times have pull up
thisway from a losing session.As have stated in the start this method wins 29 of
30 playing sessions-300-400 spins/tested and played over 40000 spins/and will continue my every day reports of Wiesbaden spins/so any one can check up authenticity/and thisway prove my point--to Iggyv and Wedding/who claimed this can not work on the long run,without even tested or tried it,but they can now,if they wish start exploring
the reason why this method is not behaving as they have expected.
There is also a third version of this method-faster and more profitable-but with
require larger BR.Will introduce it also/without any wiesbaden spins/but first let
finish the promised journey.
btw-GLC-So for records,my initial BR of 288 rise for previous wins in that particular session---exmp;if am down 256 and my next bet is 80,which is 336,am borrowing this sum of
48 from the previous won money,if there is such fond there--if not the session is a los.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 08, 02:50 PM 2010
George,
I'm getting tired of doing all this,especially when I seen 500 something yesterdays spins of Wiesbaden,so am giving up.I think that I have proved my point,and we can continue this
thing privately when I get some rest and the swimming time.For time been will be taking
some holliday days.Good luck.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 08, 02:50 PM 2010
George,
I'm getting tired of doing all this,especially when I seen 500 something yesterdays spins of Wiesbaden,so am giving up.I think that I have proved my point,and we can continue this
thing privately when I get some rest and the swimming time.For time been will be taking
some holliday days.Good luck.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 13, 08:01 AM 2010
Good on you George,
Both methods are as equally good.The Compas method/we started it 2 years ago in somewhat different way/but same basis/and finally Compa arrived with this idea.
Furthermore I included column 2 into this bet/cause without each other-col.2-3,and that's how it all started/individually it can hardly work on the long basis.Wont explain why,cause it should be self explanatory to real roulette players.Here is an idea how you should test this bet,and you will see what am I about.Actually I just realised I would giving you it in the wrong thread,therefore after afternoon swimming will explain it in the Compas way.

Quote from: VLS on Nov 01, 12:45 PM 2010
Hello dear iboba,

I have removed the password from your post above.

You should make it customary to never reveal any passwords online.

Regards!

Quote from: GLC on Nov 02, 02:37 PM 2010
For anyone who had trouble understanding this system, I am going to get refocused on it and see if we can't beat it till it squeals.

F_LAT_INO has been playing this system on dublinbet for 4 months and let me log on using his username and password to show me that he has built his account from 1000 units to 7300 units.  I'm impressed once again. 

Others of you have indicated being interested in dusting it off, so let's start testing and asking questions and try to nail down a way to play for anyone who wants to have a winning system.

The best way to get up to speed is to read his original post and go through his spreadsheet.  It really does have the whole system right there.  There may be a typo or two, but try not to get sidetracked with the trivial.

Ask any questions and I'll try to answer them and if I'm not sure F. will be glad to help out when he takes a break from hauling Euros out of the casinos by the bucketfulls back to his bungalow on the coast of the Adriatic Sea.  Okay, got a little carried away.  After all, I was born in Arkansas and Arkies get a little colorful in the way they describe things.

As we all know there are few if any systems that every detail is chisled in stone.  So, there are options with this system as well.

Let's be patient and we'll see where this takes us.

George

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 02, 04:53 PM 2010
Post an attach just to check it

i play the next crossing even if it does not qualify? when in -minus?

cheers

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 02, 04:53 PM 2010
Post an attach just to check it

i play the next crossing even if it does not qualify? when in -minus?

cheers

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 02, 10:39 PM 2010
:o
another fight
but still good
+52
was -126 once
but it came back.
running total profit=200

i do not know when to restart tracking sectors. i've been playing not for 100 spins but until I hit profit +50

my stop-loss is 240 chips.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 08:27 AM 2010
Flat I'm really impressed !

I've been playin this online today at PP Casino

Couple of things mate

How on earth do you play this in a Live Casino ?

You must have an easier method of trackin than I do !

Sometimes I missed the bet as by the time I worked out the sectors and started to do the splits......time was called for no more bets

I don't think I could do this is a B&M, or maybe I'm just too Newbie ish at it and need to perfect my game !?

I did PM you about one thing I didnt get, but the rest is excellent

I will be testing today on paper and go back to PaddyPower Casino later when its busier and then be able to get my bets on !


Hats off to you Sir  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Fripper on Nov 03, 01:55 AM 2010
Hi guys!

Who's up for testing this with flatbet and post some results here? It would be much appreciated! :)

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 03, 10:09 AM 2010
Flat bet it loses.......2 years was working on this....no need testers
have tested myself.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 10:46 AM 2010
Hi Guys and thanks for the warm welcome, much appreciated  :thumbsup:


OK I NEED HELP !


I understand the System Buuuuuut I am unable to get my bets down before the off  >:(

By the time I check if all dozens and columns are hit and go go go

Then look and see what numbers are for zones 1-4-6-8 (example) and then start laying them down......I don't get all bets down before timer is up

I'm obviously very newbie too this so accept I will get better but at the moment I'm not getting close  :'(

HELLLLLLLLP !

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 03, 10:52 AM 2010
Twisty mate,
First you must learn numbers in each sector/like learning numbers on the wheel/
If you playing it on line then you could/after hit press repeat the bet and just exclude out
the sector that previously spun,and press in a new sector.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 11:18 AM 2010
Flat, one other question.


What bank of Units do you suggest one starts with ? sorry if its been asked before. I was thinking of around 400 Units.

Any thoughts ?


Cheers mate  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 12:20 PM 2010
Imagine a Drunk (me)

He is 100 storys high and is about to walk 100 feet on the high wire

His blood level is 5 times that of a sober person

He hates heights and always closes his eyes when 2 foot off the ground

He can't walk in a straight line even when sober



that's how I feel doing this System ( because I is newbie ish at it LoL ) and yet I still made over 200 Units Profit  :D


Damn imagine me sober.......  :xd:

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 01:17 PM 2010
Flat, I take it you do all this in your head ?

I mean you don't sit in a live casino tracking and keepin written records


If I had an extra 20 seconds I would be fine

As you say I will get better !


thanks so much for sharing with us  :)

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 03, 01:34 PM 2010
In my head I know which sector is the number just spun,
but must have a spreadsheet.......writing and erasing,,no errors should be here.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 01:42 PM 2010
Oh right !

And they let you do that even though your winning most of the time ? I'm surprised they don't show you the door  :D

I see before you had built up a good balance on an online casino, was it dublinbet ? Do you ever feel tempted to play in the comfort of your own home ?

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 01:42 PM 2010
Oh right !

And they let you do that even though your winning most of the time ? I'm surprised they don't show you the door  :D

I see before you had built up a good balance on an online casino, was it dublinbet ? Do you ever feel tempted to play in the comfort of your own home ?

Quote from: GLC on Nov 03, 03:03 PM 2010
Twisteruk,

Yes, the casino Flat built his account up on was dublinbet.  He built it from 1000 to 7300 in 4 months betting .50 units.  My calculations say that means he had to win over 12,000 units in 4 months.  Mind boggling. 

He told me that he never plays for real money online.   Since he has access to casinos locally, I guess there's no need to for him.

I have been practicing playing the system and am getting quicker every day.  Flat's a pro.  Been involved in roulette most of his life.
What's easy for him is a struggle for us amateurs, but we'll get there.  Just don't jump ship, there's sharks in them thar waters.

Cheers,

George

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 03, 03:17 PM 2010
Never ever for money playing on line.

Quote from: GLC on Nov 03, 03:03 PM 2010
Twisteruk,

Yes, the casino Flat built his account up on was dublinbet.  He built it from 1000 to 7300 in 4 months betting .50 units.  My calculations say that means he had to win over 12,000 units in 4 months.  Mind boggling.  

He told me that he never plays for real money online.   Since he has access to casinos locally, I guess there's no need to for him.

I have been practicing playing the system and am getting quicker every day.  Flat's a pro.  Been involved in roulette most of his life.
What's easy for him is a struggle for us amateurs, but we'll get there.  Just don't jump ship, there's sharks in them thar waters.

Cheers,

George

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 03, 03:31 PM 2010
First losing Session

:(

-238

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 03:46 PM 2010
why is that mate ?


dublinbet is sound  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 03:50 PM 2010

George

I like you have played Roulette for many a year LoL but this System has me like a Newbie !

Its easy to grasp, in the end buuuuut its the cross check to see if all Doz and Col's are ticked before you then look to see what numbers you bet



Maybe you could talk me through your method ?



I write down the number and next to it its location 1-9 and then next to that its doz/col ref

No need to write a number,only sector......also no need doz/col ref.
but its still takin me too long--Cause you write uneces.---track only sectors,once you get grasp of it....much quicker.


If the table at dublinbet is busy I'm ok

I can't get on at smartlive, 45 seconds isnt enough !


Maybe I can streamline some how ??You will by weekend you get there.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 03, 04:20 PM 2010
Old fashioned mate,just don't believe in things
that I'm not involved in.You wouldn't believe how many
casinos are rigged.....land-live ones,let alone these on the
screen.Here in my country 98% rigged.How do I know this?????
That's another story.........................

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 05:21 PM 2010
No need to write a number,only sector......also no need doz/col ref.
but its still takin me too long--Cause you write uneces.---track only sectors,once you get grasp of it....much quicker.



Flat, can you give me an example please ?


thanks mate  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 05:21 PM 2010
No need to write a number,only sector......also no need doz/col ref.
but its still takin me too long--Cause you write uneces.---track only sectors,once you get grasp of it....much quicker.



Flat, can you give me an example please ?


thanks mate  :thumbsup:

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 03, 11:30 PM 2010
TEST9
:-X


+852 chips in 4 Sessions.

good performance (if it were 5$chips we would have 4260$ in the pocket)  :love:

GET GREEDY

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 04, 04:21 AM 2010
George

Can you give me an example of how you keep your written record please ?

As in number sector doz/col = numbers to bet

Flat said I'm writtin too much info, but I'm confused as to howelse to write it  ???


Any help would be muchly appreciated


I think Flat fell asleep after his football match  :D (joke Flate)  :)

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 04, 04:58 AM 2010
sorry to get in the way.

my sugestion is:

in a land casino
get one of those papers they offer
write down this square

147
258
369

after a number is spun write it down followed by his (easy to get) sector.
example:
17-(go to the tiny square...2nd dozzen=2ndRow...2nd column=2ndLine) - 5
11- 2
34- 7
Got it?
you have already all nine sectors marked down you start getting the 4 different furthest
ex 2786 - it qualifies because it hits each and every ROW and LINE of owr tiny square.

This is how I do it without writing too much.

Hope it helps

Cheers,

Alberto Jonas

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 04, 07:02 AM 2010

thanks Albert, that really helped  :thumbsup: !

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 04, 01:23 PM 2010
Before you start on the air ball macn.George
then don't bet 4 furthest/cause you might get bored
of waiting periods/--but bet last 4 sectors hit--regardles
of where these might be,---with same progression.
You will be KO out with some zeros/automatic every spin bet/
but you will hardly ever have 5-6 progress hands,and plenty of winning streaks.
This is for Air ball only.by the way-lost my initial BR-240-on Dublin today.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 04, 01:28 PM 2010
Flat when you say bet last 4 sectors regardless of where these might be.........do you mean any mix of doz/col ?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 04, 02:00 PM 2010
Means last 4 hit sectors,exp;

sectors outcomes;

3
8
4
2----bet same
9----bet last 4
5----bet last 4------and so on

For this you don't need a spreadsheet,pencil
as you have a visual control.
Here no bet only when 3 of the last 4 sectors
are in the same doz/col.
Same effect as other bet,but no long wait periods
andquicker profit.

by the way---only for Air ball,these rules.

Quote from: warrior on Nov 04, 02:58 PM 2010
what's the difference between air ball and the real deal?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 04, 03:19 PM 2010
Cause from my observance playing air ball last few days.
Its apparent it repeats sectors very often,exmp;

27-30-36
14-20,17
1-10-4.........especially these 3 sectors.

Thts on this ABM I'm playing,maybe others behave diff.....
should be observed while playing.

Quote from: GLC on Nov 04, 10:14 PM 2010
One point I forgot to make on the above progressions.

I think these should only be tested playing for 1 bet after each trigger.  Win or lose on the 1st bet after qualifying trigger, stop and wait for new betable trigger and bet 1 time.

This cuts down on long runs of losses somewhat.  It can be extended to 2 bets after each qualifying trigger. 

This needs much testing to confirm it's a better way to play.

I still think FLAT's original system is the most stable and safest way to play.

These other tweaks are for the more adventure loving players.

George

Quote from: ophis on Nov 05, 07:09 AM 2010
I'm asking because I didint implement yet betting on splits in my bot because I didnt need that before . Anyway I wanted to make sure its ok to bet on plain numbers. I still don't understant how original progression could bring profit on any other step but 1st...


Oh well I have implemented this system into bot with original progression and on a win its going back one step and it seems to work rather great.

Test on Eurogrand RNG play mode (mostly to check if  bot is working properly)
Win target Ã,£50 / stop-loss Ã,£200
35 sesions won, 3 lose

From today I will start to test it on Dublibet, so if anyone want I can post results.

Quote from: ophis on Nov 05, 07:09 AM 2010
I'm asking because I didint implement yet betting on splits in my bot because I didnt need that before . Anyway I wanted to make sure its ok to bet on plain numbers. I still don't understant how original progression could bring profit on any other step but 1st...


Oh well I have implemented this system into bot with original progression and on a win its going back one step and it seems to work rather great.

Test on Eurogrand RNG play mode (mostly to check if  bot is working properly)
Win target Ã,£50 / stop-loss Ã,£200
35 sesions won, 3 lose

From today I will start to test it on Dublibet, so if anyone want I can post results.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 05, 05:05 AM 2010
Is anyone trying Flat's other suggestion of betting the latest 4 sectors ?

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 05, 01:59 PM 2010
No one ? Anyone ?


Just wondered !

I'm gonna give it a trial run now  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 05, 01:59 PM 2010
No one ? Anyone ?


Just wondered !

I'm gonna give it a trial run now  :thumbsup:


Twisty mate,
Yes I have started testing reversed version/as for 4 months
testing --furthest version-come convinced its a long run
winning bet/last night tested reversed version first time,and
it is showing great.

RULES FOR REVERSED VERSION;

--Start betting on last 4 unique sectors.
with same rules as furthest version;
No bet when 3 of 4 sectors are in the
same dozen or column.

--4 unique must be not repeatable;

2
4
7
9 -------example

NOT;

2  2
4  4
4  7
7  7


Whenever you see last hit 4 uniques.............BET.......win.....wait for next same opportunity.

Quote from: GLC on Nov 05, 02:18 PM 2010

Also remember that Flat suggested this to be played on airball roulette because he has been playing that recently and he noticed that there were a lot of repeats. 

Quote from: GLC on Nov 05, 02:18 PM 2010
Guys,

I have tried his progression for a session to +52.  I couldn't tell if it did worse or better.  Pretty much the same, but it would take a lot of testing to see if it holds up in the long-run.

I'm sure there are members of the forum who would remind us about the gambler's fallacy and that it doesn't really matter which 4 sectors we select in the long run.

Also remember that Flat suggested this to be played on airball roulette because he has been playing that recently and he noticed that there were a lot of repeats.  This may not apply to a real wheel or all airball machines.

He has said that he switches between the two ways of playing sometimes if the dealer is hitting more furthest or recent.  Subjective decision which can't be programmed in a bot.

George
[/quote

George mate,
Did play Air ball today with this new version,same rules
but it seems there are much more hits,and looks to me
more secure.

If we could find someone/maybe you,or Kattila/to do 8 step
progression/regardles how high/start betting after 5 last uniques---
---miss
bet 6 uniques
---miss
bet 7 uniques
 miss
bet 8
uniques
........WILL NOT GO FURTHER AS HAVE NEVER SEEN MORE THEN 7 UNIQUES
IN TESTING THIS FOR LAST 2 YEARS.
THEN MY FRIEND WE WOULD HAVE 100% WINNING BET.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 05, 02:36 PM 2010
could find someone/maybe you,or Kattila/to do 8 step
progression/regardles how high/start betting after 5 last uniques---
---miss
bet 6 uniques
---miss
bet 7 uniques
 miss
bet 8
uniques
........WILL NOT GO FURTHER AS HAVE NEVER SEEN MORE THEN 7 UNIQUES
IN TESTING THIS FOR LAST 2 YEARS.
THEN MY FRIEND WE WOULD HAVE 100% WINNING BET.

Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 06:00 PM 2010
It will always be the case that a player will have doubts in his mind unless he knows WHY his method wins. I developed a system early in 2006 which I tested and it showed good results.
I played it in casinos throughout the rest of the year and early into 2007. I honestly hardly had a losing session. I just flat bet all the time and I can't believe that anybody could be so lucky as to win every other night like I did. I was like a whirlwind for that whole year and I hardly had time to catch my breathe. When I stopped for a while to get some energy back, it dawned on me that I still did not have an edge over the game. I stopped playing the system and spent the next year developing more of my ideas that I thought would give me an edge.
I am at peace with myself now as far as roulette is concerned, I don't need to study roulette anymore if I don't want to, nor do I need to spend countless hours testing things to convince myself that something works.
So it strikes me that some of you will just continue to test and test into oblivion because psychologically, you are never going to be happy until you know for certain you have a winner. Step back and ask yourself what makes the system you are testing a winner. And that is any system, not this one in particular. If you can't find it, you will never be satisfied and trying to wrap 25 different progressions around something is not going to make it work if it is broken in the first place. I hope no one takes offence at this post because there is non intended but I just want to give some of you some food for thought.

Quote from: GLC on Nov 05, 05:29 PM 2010
Hey Guys,

I have been thinking about this desire we have to beat roulette.

If someone told me that I had to take $1000 to the casino and play any roulette system and double my money or they'd kill my cat.  (I don't have a cat, but TwoCat should be tracking with me.)  If I am only limited to 1 system, which system would you choose?  Forgive my jumping back and forth with my pronouns.

I would choose this system.  I believe F_LAT_INO when he says that he's been playing this system and winning for over 3 years.  I have tested it myself and I am way ahead on my testing.  Alberto has also, Twister has a little, Ophis has a bot that has started playing it and has started out winning.  35 wins at 50 units vs 3 losses at 200 units =+1150 units.  I don't have any other system that has credentials like these.

This system does have losing sessions.  They all do.  It's terribly depressing to have a losing session.  Especially if it comes fairly early after you start betting for real.  We can't lose heart when we have a loss.  I'm not saying we keep pouring money down a rat hole, I'm just saying that psychologically we are depressed after a loss and it can cause us to do illogical things.  That's why we're spending so much time testing, so when we play for real, we are confident that we have a winning system.

I'm writing this more for myself than for you guys because I know that I have trouble staying centered after a loss.  Especially if the loss is 5 times your win target.  But, it's the long haul that's important.  It's the whole forest and not just 1 tree.

Enough said.  I feel better now.  Back to work.

George

Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 08:47 PM 2010
I just wanted to add a bit more to what I said earlier.  To be fair, the testing seems to be going great guns. So I am wondering if anybody has stepped back and asked themself why this appears to work better than the rest. Because like I said before, if you can honestly answer this question, then that is it, you can step of the testing merrygoround.
Flat has mentioned a few times in this post that there IS a reason why this works. Has anybody figured it out yet?

Quote from: GLC on Nov 05, 11:35 PM 2010
Great job Kattila. :thumbsup:

Alberto, Thanks for continuing.  Those losing sessions must be hard to take, but you're still climbing.  And with a maringale, that's impressive.  

I would like to know how those same sessions would have done had you used the fibo 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21 progression.  Back 3 steps on a win.this would be 432 chips

I was going to test them, but I would need the spins beyond where you lost your martingale.

Keep up the good work.  I like your posted sessions even though I know it takes a lot of your time.

George

Quote from: Kattila on Nov 05, 08:27 PM 2010
Quote  from F_LAT_INO

*If we could find someone/maybe you,or Kattila/to do 8 step
progression/regardles how high/start betting after 5 last uniques---
---miss
bet 6 uniques
---miss
bet 7 uniques
 miss
bet 8
uniques
........WILL NOT GO FURTHER AS HAVE NEVER SEEN MORE THEN 7 UNIQUES
IN TESTING THIS FOR LAST 2 YEARS.
THEN MY FRIEND WE WOULD HAVE 100% WINNING BET  *




Ok   FLAT,  I try to make some progressions(for online casinos).
First bet on 10 splits(5 sectors), second 12 splits (6 sectors)...and so on...



                         if lose       if win

1.   0,20 x 10       -2           +1,6

2.   0,50 x 12       -8           +1

3.      3   x 14       -50         +4
...................................................

4.     28   x 16      -498       +6
or
(4.    30   x 16      -530       +10)

The last (on 16 splits) go to high  and maybe no time  to place the
bets .



BUT,

I think this is much better(start from 4 sectors/8 splits)...until 7 sectors/14 spilts).

1.   0,20 x 8        -1,6         +3,6

2.   0,50 x 10      -6,6         +2,4

3.       2  x 12      -30,6       +5,4

4.     10  x 14      -170,6     +9,4


Or  start with twice on 5 sectors/10 splits:


1.   0 ,50 x 10      -5           +4      THIS IS ONE THAT SUITS MY TESTINGS

2.        1  x 10      -15         +3          ON DUBLINBET,SO FROM TODAY WILL         

3.        3  x 12      -51         +3         BE TESTING WITH THIS.
4.      15  x 14      -261       +9      
                                                     

Cheers.
[/quote

                                      Thanks Kattila and George for your help.

Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 08:47 PM 2010
I just wanted to add a bit more to what I said earlier.  To be fair, the testing seems to be going great guns. So I am wondering if anybody has stepped back and asked themself why this appears to work better than the rest. Because like I said before, if you can honestly answer this question, then that is it, you can step of the testing merrygoround.
Flat has mentioned a few times in this post that there IS a reason why this works. Has anybody figured it out yet?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 06, 12:52 PM 2010
Not complete covering but touching.I have seen sense
in this and started looking for such bet.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 06, 01:25 PM 2010
George mate,
I can't login on DB-----I log and see my account
but can't further log into the gambling room
There it shows little green lock.
Could you try and let me know,if any success.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 06, 01:39 PM 2010

Flat, what does touching mean in this context ? Minimal coverage maybe ?


Cheers bud  :thumbsup:

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 06, 11:02 PM 2010
Hello Everybody


Since I intend to test this Marvel in measurable amounts, I will open a thread for that on tests.

will start to post my tests there instead.
This thread remains for questions regarding the system no?
:-[

Quote from: GLC on Nov 06, 09:26 PM 2010
Twister,

I'm 99.9% sure what he means by touching is that the sector must be in that dozen or column.

Example:  Sectors 1-3-5-7 qualifies because there is a sector in dozen 1, 2 & 3 and there is a sector in column 1,2 & 3.

Example:  Sectors 1-3-7-8 does not qualify because there is no sector for dozen 2.

Example:  Sectors 1-4-5-7 does not qualify becuase there is no sector for column 3.

Example:  Sectors 1-2-8-9 does not qualify because there is no sector for dozen 2.

Etc...

Anyway, this is the way I have understood it and been testing this way.

George

Quote from: sarif on Nov 07, 04:52 AM 2010
How do I play this guys I really don't get it been following this thread for while more I read more confused I get can someone make it easy for dummys and what does that mean bet 4 furthest away I'm having headache ???

Quote from: GLC on Nov 06, 09:01 PM 2010
Flat,

I logged on, clicked "Play Now", clicked "Live Casino Games", clicked "Roulette 1" and even went so far as to make a bet and then cleared it.

It showed your account balance as 7300 (didn't write down the exact amount).

Looks like I can play your account, so don't know why you can't.

That's the most I've ever done with your account, what I listed above.  Just go in to verify the balance so I don't think it can be anything on this end.

George

Quote from: sarif on Nov 07, 04:52 AM 2010
How do I play this guys I really don't get it been following this thread for while more I read more confused I get can someone make it easy for dummys and what does that mean bet 4 furthest away I'm having headache ???

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 06, 01:39 PM 2010

Flat, what does touching mean in this context ? Minimal coverage maybe ?


Cheers bud  :thumbsup:

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 07, 08:00 AM 2010
Now reports from last 6 days playing Air ball
mach. for real money.
by the way--air ball machine is Alfa Street

Started playing 4 furthest with required rules.
Have won first 2 days,small but very difficult,
have even reached 7-8 step progression
several times.Then throughout playing this have
observed lots of last 4 repeaters.So started playing thisway,
last 4,for next 4 days,with required rules.But then I observed that
regardless where sectors are it keeps repeating.So this morning
come there with idea of playing thisway,with 1+ 1- rules....
and whenever in plus,start from 1.won 156
units in 3 hours time.
Remember------Alfa street---NAME OF MACHINE.

Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 09:22 AM 2010
FLAT,

It sounds like you are presenting an option based on how the sectors are spinning.  This would apply to airball or live dealer.

If the sectors are coming in randomly, meaning there are not a lot of sleepers, then play the original method.

If the sectors are repeating within only a few (1-2-3-4-5 ) spins, play the last 4 unique sectors.
that's WHAT AM DOING ON D-BET,until it changes,then again last 4 in contiunation if it touches all col/doz.While on air ball playing last 4 in continuation....no rules
Unless we come up with some kind of signal that indicates which way the sectors are coming, this is a subjective decision.

One question.  When you say unique, do you mean that the last 4 spins must be different sectors?Yes on the first bet,if it wins continue same regardles of how many repeats.

Or, do you mean that we bet the last 4 different sectors even if one of them has repeated.
yes,yes.
Example:  Sectors 1-3-5-7-5-4-7-9.  This is clear that we would bet sectors 5-4-7-9.
Yes on air ball machine,but not Dublin bet,missing doz. 1.
Example:  Sectors 1-3-5-7-5-4-7-7-9,  can we still bet 4-5-7-9 or do we have to wait until all 4 are different?Yes on air ball.

Thanks,

George

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 07, 11:20 AM 2010
Flat you were spot on mate !

You said by the weekend I would be ok with the System and you were right  :thumbsup:


I prefer playin 4 furthest

I still need to perfect my progression, I feel 8-16-32-64-128-256 is more me

Just had a 2hr session and increased my bank by over 65%

The only thing I have left to master is knowing "instantly" if all dozens and columns are touching.
I sometimes "place the bet" and cancel it if it doesn't meet that criteria......other than that I can honestly say,

THIS IS THE BEST SYSTEM I've EVER SEEN OR PLAYED !

10/10 Flat  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 07, 11:20 AM 2010
Flat you were spot on mate !

You said by the weekend I would be ok with the System and you were right  :thumbsup:


I prefer playin 4 furthest

I still need to perfect my progression, I feel 8-16-32-64-128-256 is more me

Just had a 2hr session and increased my bank by over 65%

The only thing I have left to master is knowing "instantly" if all dozens and columns are touching.
I sometimes "place the bet" and cancel it if it doesn't meet that criteria

......other than that I can honestly say,

THIS IS THE BEST SYSTEM I've EVER SEEN OR PLAYED !

10/10 Flat  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 07, 11:20 AM 2010
Flat you were spot on mate !

You said by the weekend I would be ok with the System and you were right  :thumbsup:


I prefer playin 4 furthest

I still need to perfect my progression, I feel 8-16-32-64-128-256 is more me

Just had a 2hr session and increased my bank by over 65%

The only thing I have left to master is knowing "instantly" if all dozens and columns are touching.
I sometimes "place the bet" and cancel it if it doesn't meet that criteria......other than that I can honestly say,

THIS IS THE BEST SYSTEM I've EVER SEEN OR PLAYED !

10/10 Flat  :thumbsup:

Quote from: GLC on Nov 07, 11:50 AM 2010
F_LAT_INO     :thumbsup:

Twisteruk       :thumbsup:

Albertojonas   :thumbsup:

GLC                 :thumbsup:

Anyone else that thinks this is a thumsup system, just add your name.

Anyone who wants to be able to add their  :thumbsup: keep learning how to play and ask any of us questions.  We're on your side.

(I'd sure hate to see someone pirate this system and start selling it for money when it's free right here on this forum thanks to Flat.)

GLC

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 07, 11:53 AM 2010
Twisty mate,
Don't hurry.Don't marty.
that's easy doing here on testing basis,but
in real play for money its a different story.
Do 10 step 1 up 1 down......440 stop/los
and maybe you play for months without losing your BR.

Quote from: sekuritati on Nov 07, 04:37 PM 2010
I have a problem understanding something and would appreciate if someone cares to explain it.

We wait for the whole 9 sectors to come up, that can happen in as low as 9 spins, normally about 20-25 spins. So we bet on the furthest 4 sectors touching all doz/cols, that I understand.

So, we have a trigger and we start betting on for example 1,2,3,4 which are the 4 furthest sectors with the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 progression, 430 units at stake.

so we bet 1,2,3,4, we lose 8 times in a row, and we get to 9th step of the progression, betting 72 units on the 4 sectors. We win it, so we GO BACK ONE STEP IN THE PROGRESSION AND RETRACK FOR NEW 4 FURTHEST SECTORS AND WHEN WE HAVE NEW 4 SECTORS WE START TO BET FROM THE 8TH STEP OF THE PROGRESSION???
But what if there are again 5-6 losses in a row where the furthest 4 sectors have not appeared and we have already lost on the 10th step of the progression?

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 07, 05:03 PM 2010
how many chips you are behind after the 9th step win?
- 198 chips behind
by the rulles you should bet 64 chips 8th step
if lost
conider it a lost session.

just my two cents
???

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 08, 08:09 AM 2010
First replay to Secur.

Once you start betting;
1
2
3
4...supposing these are touching each doz/col..........miss
5...you are not any longer on the same bet...but 2,3,4,5..with same rules.

If the next bet doesn't fulfil conditions.....jump spins...until it does,betting 2x8

and so on.Whenever you reach 8-9 step/very rarely betting last 4-----but yes betting
furthest 4/and win you are not comming back 1 step but like this;

1
2
3
4...imagining as furthest....1 UN..........W      10           LOSE     8
5                                        2 UN.         W      22           LOSE    16
6                                        3UN           W       6            LOSE    24
7                                        4UN           W       8-          LOSE     32
                                        about  85-90% hits are happening first 4 steps
8...imagining we won.........5un           W       50        LOSING  30

What we are doing here.............we are going 2 steps back...and so on
you always look at the overall score....so on 7-8 steps.

Idid have 10 losing sessions in 4 months on furthest 4......but still about 7000 profit.

While on last 4 didnt lose session since am testing it last 7 days,
and this morning had another winning session of 160 units for real
cash playing on Air ball machine.Never reach the 6th step of betting.
Am so acquaint with this bet that no need a spreadsheet,and anybody
can do the same.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 08, 01:50 PM 2010
I'm so glad George PM'd me and I made myself understand how and what to do with this System !

:thumbsup:

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 08, 03:55 PM 2010
Hi,

so what is the 'correct' progression please.

Is it 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5 or 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 ?
And what are the moves after a W or a L ?

cheers

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 08, 03:50 PM 2010
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SELL IT,ARE YOU.---LoL ;D ;D ;D
Just returned from another early evening airball session
280 chips in about 3 hours time won.
that's about 40 euros/1 euros=about 7 croatian kunas/
Not bad wage for un old pensioner./color]

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 08, 03:55 PM 2010
Hi,

so what is the 'correct' progression please.

Is it 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5 or 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 ?
And what are the moves after a W or a L ?

cheers

Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 03:56 PM 2010
1. Original version stated to play on Furthest sectors.  (you can ignore Recent)

2. Version for AirBall stated to play on Recent sectors. (you can ignore Furthest)

3. F_LAT_INO recently wanted to test ZigZag Mod to play Furthest/Recent/Furthest/Recent etc. and NOT betting when Furthest AND Recent are available at the same time. You can read this few post before I think.

Recomended progression for now is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10.  (-1 on win / back to 1st step when profit +10) but this may change if we will find something more efective.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 08, 04:30 PM 2010
Except mate if you reach 4,5,6,7,8,9,10 step progression,and on any win
on these...you are not going 1 step back,but 2 and sometimes 3 steps.
Depending on overall BR score.You will get this routine while playing it.

Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 04:37 PM 2010
Oh right. I forgot I changed this in my bot.

I found going back only 1 step much more profitable in my test.
[/quote
Correct mate,but thisway bit less profitable but much safer.

Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 04:36 PM 2010
Guys I think we are moving here in wrong direction.

As we know roulette is dynamic and trends are changing all the time.

There is no particular reason why we should bet on Furthest or Recent 4 sectors.
4 sectors can sleep for many spins whenever they are Recent or Furthest.
Personally I don't like betting on sleepers.

Now when we have software I have one idea and I would like to know what do you think about it.

I want to implement "Dynamic" Trigger searcher.
Instead of looking at 4 furthers or 4 recent sectors, program will look at last 9 sectors and list trigger no mater where it is.

As trigger I would look for 3 sectors spun next to each other that touch 3doz and 3col.

So no matter where in those 9 sectors those 3 qualifying sectors would be it would be our trigger. Betting only on 3 sectors.

If there would be more than 1 trigger then either program list most recent trigger and oldest trigger so we determine on which is better to bet... maybe on both?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 08, 05:02 PM 2010
Ophis mate,

On this I am working and improving third year....have tried at first with 3 sectors
in many variations but at the end It all failed.Four furthest sectors,in testing it on a daily basis DUBLIN.....last 4 months 10 losing sessions out of about 120 with 7300 finished
account.Testing now last 4 on DUBLIN/and playing airball for real cash/in 7 days haven't lost a session....not only that......but never went over step 6........Therefore to my mind this looks
more prommessing then 4 furthest.But any improvement is welcome.Let us hear your
idea after we go throughout this first,so we wouldn't get to confused.

Quote from: ophis on Nov 08, 05:22 PM 2010
When you are playing 4 recent sectors then you are playing them ONLY if there is a trigger?

Because when playing 4 furthest sectors trigger will disapiere only after you encounter HIT on any sectors you actually bet.

But trigger on 4 recent can disapiere no matter if you will encounter hit or not.

by the way: How to spell Disapiere(Vanish)?

Edit: NVM this was a regular question and answer is obvious.

Quote from: maestro link=topic=326. msg20496#msg20496 date=1289256403
Hi mr.  f lat ino,i rather say hvala tebe.  .  .  .  onother thanks to ophis who coded it.  .  the way I play it is to bet on 4 furthest or 4 recent whenever there is trigger.  .  .  short say if there is bet I bet,max.   progression 1,1,3.  .  .  say there is bet on recent ones I bet,if lose and bet disapier and apear furtest bet on it and so on,but no bet if two are shown(if two are shown i bet as original bet,,furthest,,).  .  .  try it you will see sometimes you do not need progression.  .  most important thing about progressions is that they help but only used before breaking point,in other words better accept lose on lower stage and keep play than go high and go out.  .  .  any way your system is very good and wish you happy winings.  .  I thing the idea wich ophis had betting on running sectors might not be very good,because they run short time so that last ones or recent ones can hit.  .  .   :thumbsup:

Quote from: maestro on Nov 08, 06:07 PM 2010
another thing I would like to ask if possible mr. ophis is it difficult to make same software to run on android operating system so I wanna test it on rng. . .

Quote from: maestro on Nov 08, 10:09 PM 2010
Ok I have a question to mr. flat ino or to ophis,might be sound silly but when play your system is it a must for this system to have 9 sectors hit and then if our furthest sectors covers doz and col then and only then we bet. . . because I did use bet tracker being made by ophis and noticed that I had 7 hit sectors and furthest sector bet to play but that tracker did not trigger,i guess because of option to have 9 sectors to be hit as requierd rule. . so question is are we not missing bets or having 9 sectors hit and then qualifying bet is a must for this system. . . . thank very much ???

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 09, 03:34 AM 2010
Hi all,

Ophis, would you be able to make a bot for Dublin bet?

cheers

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 09, 05:42 AM 2010
I have been testing the system.

4 sessions of 2 hours each on Dublin Live Wheel.  The first 2 ones were losers as I didn't got the system well and I was using the prog 1122334455 .

The last 2, I used 12345678910 .  Seems better to recover than 1122334455 and less confusing in mind.

Even if I try to play on the morning it can be long on Dublin and I do not trust much anymore RNG.

Do someone compared RNG to Live for this system  ? F_LAT_INO? Orphis? Alberto?

Thanks

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 09, 05:42 AM 2010
I have been testing the system.  

4 sessions of 2 hours each on Dublin Live Wheel.   The first 2 ones were losers as I didn't got the system well and I was using the prog 1122334455 .  

The last 2, I used 12345678910 .   Seems better to recover than 1122334455 and less confusing in mind.  

I make €25/hour.  Started the 3rd time with €120 and now after 2 winnig sessions I am €225.
I play with €0. 5 chips.

Even if I try to play on the morning it can be long on Dublin and I do not trust much anymore RNG.  
Anyway, do some of you compared RNG to Live for this system  ? F_LAT_INO? Orphis? Alberto?

Thanks

Quote from: Kattila on Nov 08, 07:15 PM 2010
Iboba  have you tryed with that progression (four steps)
for 5 sectors/ 5 sect/ 6 sect/ 7  sect.     ?

just curious

by the way  Thanks for this  very  good system   :thumbsup:
and also thanks to Ophis for that tool.

cheers

Quote from: maestro on Nov 08, 10:09 PM 2010
Ok I have a question to mr. flat ino or to ophis,might be sound silly but when play your system is it a must for this system to have 9 sectors hit and then if our furthest sectors covers doz and col then and only then we bet. . . because I did use bet tracker being made by ophis and noticed that I had 7 hit sectors and furthest sector bet to play but that tracker did not trigger,i guess because of option to have 9 sectors to be hit as requierd rule. . so question is are we not missing bets or having 9 sectors hit and then qualifying bet is a must for this system. . . . thank very much ???

Quote from: ophis on Nov 09, 03:50 AM 2010
Yes I am able to do this. But we still don't have final rules.

Quote from: ophis on Nov 09, 04:50 AM 2010
I have spend great amount of time making bot and I'm sorry but I will share it only with people who did the most testing here.

Also bot isint for everyone. Its designed to run in VMWare with winxp and msoffice instaled (to be able to run bot and be able to work on pc as normal.) If someone don't know how to setup/download vmware then I'm sorry. F_LAT_INO is an expction (i can help him).

Also for now bot only runs on dublin and playtech based rng. I atill need to add profiles for another 10 casinos.

This way you can run 10 bots on 10 differen casins(different owners) with win target Ã,£50/day and get Ã,£3500/week. that's more than enough.

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 09, 05:42 AM 2010
I have been testing the system. 

4 sessions of 2 hours each on Dublin Live Wheel.   The first 2 ones were losers as I didn't got the system well and I was using the prog 1122334455 . 

The last 2, I used 12345678910 .   Seems better to recover than 1122334455 and less confusing in mind. 

I make €25/hour.  Started the 3rd time with €120 and now after 2 winnig sessions I am €225.
I play with €0. 5 chips.

Even if I try to play on the morning it can be long on Dublin and I do not trust much anymore RNG. 
Anyway, do some of you compared RNG to Live for this system  ? F_LAT_INO? Orphis? Alberto?

Thanks

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 09, 05:45 AM 2010

I bet I can guess what Flat will say  :D

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 09, 06:34 AM 2010
And we should have it after testing of all possibilities.
Would you agree Ophis.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 09, 06:46 AM 2010
Bet you don't.

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 09, 06:30 AM 2010
Orphis I have put all my extra money into Dublin.   No swap possible for me then. 

Play the furthest.   Prog max : 9th -> looks weird

Quote from: ophis on Nov 09, 06:49 AM 2010
The thing that wory me much is progression. Original one required 240 and this was acceptable but the recent one that require ~500 is scary.

I personally think that win target shoudnt be smaller than stop-loss. So if someone is aiming for 50 with stop-loss 500 that's a bit not right.

What should we aim for then 750/ session? It will take ages.

Quote from: ophis on Nov 09, 06:56 AM 2010
Do you want me to include in software one more trigger for middle 3 sectors?

Quote from: ophis on Nov 09, 08:50 AM 2010
Guys how do you play recent?

A:

1. Trigger appear - bet provided sectors
2. Miss - wait for new trigger
3. Still no trigger - wait for trigger
4. Trigger appear - proggresion +1 / bet new set of sectors
5. HIT - wait for new trigger
....

B:

1. Trigger appear - bet provided sectors
2. Miss/trigger disapiered - progression +1 / bet sectors from last trigget
3. Miss - progression +1 / bet sectors from last trigger
4. New trigger appear - progression+1 / bet new set of sectors
5. HIT - wait for new trigger
...

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 09, 09:00 AM 2010


Well I "thought" it was B

But the software plays A

So I was a bit confuzzzzed LoL (again)

Quote from: ophis on Nov 09, 09:05 AM 2010
We need to clarify this with INO.

Because with recent trigger will vanish if we don't hit.
Wth furhest trigger would vanish ONLY if we hit

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 09, 07:22 AM 2010
5th session

Dublinbet live / 93 spins / max 5th step / +114 units .

+328 units since the beginning

method : furthest / recent mixed . In case there were both, switched to furthest . But what I remarked during this session is that when there were both, recent hitted more than furthest .

Will keep this strategy (being conservative and priority given to recent). But if some could watch the hit rate of recent within live sessions and report, it could be great.

Quote from: ophis on Nov 09, 08:50 AM 2010
Guys how do you play recent?

A:

1. Trigger appear - bet provided sectors
2. Miss - wait for new trigger
3. Still no trigger - wait for trigger
4. Trigger appear - proggresion +1 / bet new set of sectors
5. HIT - wait for new trigger----BET SAME UNTIL MISS.
....

B:

1. Trigger appear - bet provided sectors
2. Miss/trigger disapiered - progression +1 / bet sectors from last trigget
3. Miss - progression +1 / bet sectors from last trigger
4. New trigger appear - progression+1 / bet new set of sectors
5. HIT - wait for new trigger
...

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 09, 09:59 AM 2010
Ah that makes a lot of sense Flat, thanks  :)


Just one question if the software says a bet on both is available, which would you choose ?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 09, 10:02 AM 2010
Me jumps,but to anyones preference.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 09, 10:05 AM 2010
Ok  :thumbsup:

But what if the 1st bet offered is for both, which do you choose ?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 09, 10:20 AM 2010
Depends which sectors are involved where.
But we haven't reach this stage as yet.That will be in the
third class and we are still in the end of first class.Patience mate,
everything will settle down one by one step.
No rushing and jumping things.

Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 09, 10:17 AM 2010
So far, on all the testing I have done, backing the most recent is providing the best results.
The furthest back does seem to go longer without a win.
Last night when I tried this at the casino, I did notice that I would have did a lot better playing the most recent as well.
At one stage, the dealer spun 18,18,24,18. I was not on the 6 (15/18, 21/24) It would have being a nice win streak.
Another thing to consider is that it is possible that there could be some kind of temporary bias happening on the wheel you are playing, if this is happening, then those sleepers could be a pain.

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 09, 10:30 AM 2010
Another testing in live with real money. 83 spins. approx 1h played

Furthest and most recent (priority to furthest).

Starting BR : 283.5 Ending BR : 329.5 Chips: 0.5  => +92 units

Max step : 4th .

I'm getting rich... LoL

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 09, 10:30 AM 2010
I'm getting rich... LoL

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 09, 09:56 AM 2010
A----with  5  corrected.The strength of this cause of lot repeats...could go long.

As stated will do throughout explanation of this when the time comes.

• bet provided sectors

• progression +1
• wait for new trigger

• wait for trigger

• bet new set of sectors

• progression: ( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE  ->  IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2 )
• bet set of sectors

• progression: ( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE  ->  IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2 )
• bet set of sectors

• progression +1
• wait for new trigger

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 09, 09:56 AM 2010
A----with  5  corrected.The strength of this cause of lot repeats...could go long.

As stated will do throughout explanation of this when the time comes.

Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 09, 10:39 AM 2010
I have ordered mine already. However, not really sure about the car yet.  :D

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Quote from: maestro on Nov 09, 03:32 PM 2010
Now when every one start play on dublin bet and they see that many doing same bet might start getting funny. . . but only then we will know for sure that they play on against as and can do what they want. . . be aware. .  :thumbsup:

Quote from: ophis on Nov 09, 10:42 AM 2010
A:

1. Trigger appear  ->

• bet provided sectors

2. Miss  ->

• progression +1
• wait for new trigger

3. Still no trigger  ->

• wait for trigger

4. Trigger appear  ->

• bet new set of sectors

5. HIT (trigger still active)  ->

• progression: ( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE  ->  IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2 )
• bet set of sectors

6. HIT (trigger still active) ->

• progression: ( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE  ->  IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2 )
• bet set of sectors

7. Miss (trigger no longer active) ->

• progression +1
• wait for new trigger

6. GOTO point 1....


@F_LAT_INO: Is above correct?
[/quote
Very correct Ophis mate.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 09, 01:57 PM 2010
HELL SESSION  ???

Spins 100

Wins 14

Loss 24

LLR 7?????????????????
LWR 3-------can't grasp these.


All selections were Recent when given the option.

Quote from: ophis on Nov 09, 06:07 AM 2010
Yes playing on live wheels take time that's why wr need to have more people testing it.

Please use different casinos and random tables. We don't want to end up with 5ppl playing the same set of numbers.

Also please note max progression you had and which MOD are you using. Is it Furhest, Recent or both.


Bot is for dublinbet live.

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 10, 06:17 AM 2010
8th session
Played furthest and recent when it was the only available. I have missed plenty of hits. I should have played recent...

Anyway, it's a +97 units session. Progr until step 6.

Will probably stay on recent next time. Maybe I had bad luck.

F_lat_ino , which stategy do you use at the moment ? Furthest ? Recent?

Now testing Dublinbet only recent/as have tested long enough
furthest which convinced me its a winner/

PLAYING FOR CASH MANY AIR BAL MACH./this morning 10 winning session in the row/
BUT PLAYING ONLY RECENT-----WITHOUT ANY RULES----rolling 4 recents---regardles in
which sectors these are.......IT IS ONLY FOR AIR BALL

Quote from: chrisbis on Nov 10, 09:03 AM 2010
Just Played Eurogrand Live,  Middle value table Limits 1- 50 (1000 max table)
38 spins
Start BR  Ã,£   72,50
Finish BR Ã,£ 915.50

Lowest  Point Ã,£   34.50
Highest Point Ã,£ 915.50

In most cases I used 1, 1, 2, 3 progression (when in loss)

Wins = 23
Loses=14
LLR     =5
LWR   =7

Played first 7 spins with furthest only
then     next 3 spins with recent only
then all other spins were with furthest only
except for spin 20 which was recent.

Quote from: chrisbis on Nov 10, 09:03 AM 2010
Just Played Eurogrand Live,  Middle value table Limits 1- 50 (1000 max table)
38 spins
Start BR  Ã,£   72,50
Finish BR Ã,£ 915.50

Lowest  Point Ã,£   34.50
Highest Point Ã,£ 915.50

In most cases I used 1, 1, 2, 3 progression (when in loss)

Wins = 23
Loses=14
LLR     =5
LWR   =7

Played first 7 spins with furthest only
then     next 3 spins with recent only
then all other spins were with furthest only
except for spin 20 which was recent.


Also note, since the winnings were getting substantial, (at spin 26 I was at Ã,£263.50 balance)
I protected my BR, by a covering bet on
0/2 split in spin 33  (value Ã,£1)
0 flat bet in spin 34 (value Ã,£5)
0 flat bet in spin 35 (value Ã,£5)
0 flat bet in spin 36 (value Ã,£5)
and a final 0 flat bet in spin 37 (value Ã,£25)

Also note, after spin 21, I doubled up the value of the split bet (Ã,£2 plus Leveller progression), and in spin  34, 35 & 36, increased value of split bet to Ã,£10 each (total stake Ã,£85 including my protection policy, available from any good hardware store)

And in final spin 37, I went for broke (No not Brookback)
and stuffed the split bet value to Ã,£25 each plus my Ã,£25 on zero green beast!
(Stake was Ã,£225 including Zero gin & Tonic)

Spins-
12, 12, 20, 17, 23, 13, 21, 24, 18, 20, 13, 25, 32, 17, 10, 17, 17, 27, 9,
16, 19, 5, 14, 1, 35, 27, 31, 9, 32, 34, 7, 18, 5, 12, 17, 0, 0

U can see why I protected my increased wealth and BR with the two little
beauties coming in right at the end,

I just knew the the Green Goblin was going to show his hand,
and since the consistent winning bet Tracker didn't seam to be covering the Zero
I though that I must do!

And boy did it pay off!!

Fab tool OPhis............... thanks you sooooo much.

More testing now!!

P.S. I have no idea how to calculate the Z value but I have a lickle suspicion
its gonna be more than 3.0!!

My best every day........
(No , says Homer.... your best day ever........ So FAR)
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Quote from: chrisbis on Nov 10, 10:39 AM 2010
I meant to say, 37 spins played.

Was prob bout 100 or so real spins but I didn't note manually the in-between numbers that you enter the tracker, as I didn't have time in between spins, was getting ready for the next bet phase!

Only 24 seconds at Euro.

Was only 4 or 5 spins not bet on after a win.
Bet straight after loss, either as is, or with level progression.

I'll have to find way of capturing and noting the entered numbers/ non bet spins.

As the phrase goes "Is There An Appt(Bot) For That??"...........anyone?

Quote from: ophis on Nov 10, 11:35 AM 2010
I can implement in tracker "save to file" option that will save history in format:

Spin|nr|sector

001 | 12 | 4
002 | 26 | 7
....

Is that ok?

Quote from: chrisbis on Nov 10, 11:37 AM 2010

Do you know where you get this fab graphs that some of the boys and girls have got in here??

Quote from: ophis on Nov 10, 11:35 AM 2010
I can implement in tracker "save to file" option that will save history in format:

Spin|nr|sector

001 | 12 | 4
002 | 26 | 7
....

Is that ok?

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 10, 12:04 PM 2010
I follow up on the question of treating the zero as I have during my testings also encountered a lot of zeros.

don't you think it woul be a good idea to bet it ?

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 10, 12:04 PM 2010
I follow up on the question of treating the zero as I have during my testings also encountered a lot of zeros.

don't you think it woul be a good idea to bet it ?
[/quote]More then half we avoid while in --no bet mode.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 10, 03:33 PM 2010
One question to all testers/recent sectors.

Have any of you seen as yet 7 unique recent sectors ??????

Could you pls.observe this while testing,and report if you did see it.

Pressuming what am I getting at.????

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 10, 04:02 PM 2010
I have seen 8 recent sectors in a row. Hopefully I was testing Recent  :wink:

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 10, 05:10 PM 2010
Unique like this

2,8,4,9,5,1,6,3-----?????
never seen it myself.
Must be getting blind.

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 10, 05:13 PM 2010
I mean 3,3,3,5,5,7,9,9

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 10, 04:03 PM 2010
Flat, as yet I've not seen it. Why do you ask ?

I just posted some more results in other thread  :thumbsup:
[/quote
We will come to that.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 10, 05:19 PM 2010

that's what I thought.

The most I'ev seen 7....and brother IN THOUSANDS observations.

Quote from: ophis on Nov 10, 05:55 PM 2010
Tracker v0.2

link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20926/#msg20926 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/other-software/constant-win-bet-tracker/msg20926/#msg20926)

:thumbsup:

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 10, 11:33 PM 2010
here they are the 7 unique recent sectors... >:(
spin 26-32

attached .............rulles (6 step GrandMartingale).



Cheers

Quote from: chrisbis on Nov 10, 06:47 PM 2010
I know you have changed the design a bit, but do you think the text in the betting section "furthest/recent" is a little too small now to see clearly??

Quote from: topcat888 on Nov 11, 03:15 AM 2010
My hat goes off to you ophis for coding that !

I wanted to coed it in RX but its spinning my head !

Can you RX ??

Quote from: topcat888 on Nov 11, 04:18 AM 2010
Yes please ophis, that would be very useful ~ thanks.  [attachimg=#]

Quote from: topcat888 on Nov 11, 05:01 AM 2010
Did I just get a failure here (10 bets no win) ~ at the end of the session..?? I was tracking and not actually betting


=================
11/11/2010
09:57:29
Spins: 144
Possible bets: 43

Furthest Triggers: 32
Recent Triggers: 30
=================
001 |  8 | 2 |  
002 |  7 | 1 |  
003 | 24 | 6 |  
004 | 30 | 9 |  



111 | 31 | 7 |  
112 | 12 | 3 |  
113 |  7 | 1 |  
114 | 21 | 6 |  
115 | 20 | 5 | F
116 | 27 | 9 |  R
117 | 24 | 6 |  R
118 | 25 | 7 | F
119 |  4 | 1 | F
120 | 13 | 4 |  
121 | 33 | 9 |  
122 | 11 | 2 |  R
123 | 19 | 4 |  R
124 |  9 | 3 |  R
125 | 29 | 8 | FR
126 | 31 | 7 | FR
127 |  1 | 1 |  
128 | 36 | 9 |  
129 | 29 | 8 |  
130 | 15 | 6 |  R
131 |  7 | 1 |  R
132 | 26 | 8 |  R
133 |  8 | 2 | FR
134 |  1 | 1 | FR
135 | 22 | 4 | F
136 | 18 | 6 | F
137 | 29 | 8 | FR
138 | 19 | 4 | FR
139 | 19 | 4 | FR
140 |  1 | 1 | FR
141 | 12 | 3 | FR
142 | 12 | 3 | FR
143 | 34 | 7 |  
144 | 15 | 6 |  
=================

Quote from: boatran8 on Nov 11, 05:06 AM 2010
Maybe you would have not lose if you have played recent...

Quote from: topcat888 on Nov 11, 05:01 AM 2010
Did I just get a failure here (10 bets no win) ~ at the end of the session..?? I was tracking and not actually betting
130 | 15 | 6 |  R
131 |  7 | 1 |  R
132 | 26 | 8 |  R
133 |  8 | 2 | FR
134 |  1 | 1 | FR
135 | 22 | 4 | F
136 | 18 | 6 | F
137 | 29 | 8 | FR
138 | 19 | 4 | FR
139 | 19 | 4 | FR
140 |  1 | 1 | FR
141 | 12 | 3 | FR
142 | 12 | 3 | FR
143 | 34 | 7 |   
144 | 15 | 6 |   
=================

Quote from: topcat888 on Nov 11, 05:10 AM 2010
Not sure what you mean..? That session was just now at DublinBet/Table 1 using the latest version of the tracker by ophis ~ please advise..?

Quote from: ophis link=topic=326. msg20664#msg20664 date=1289317366
A:

1.  Trigger appear  ->

• bet provided sectors

2.  Miss  ->

• progression +1
• wait for new trigger

3.  Still no trigger  ->

• wait for trigger

4.  Trigger appear  ->

• bet new set of sectors

5.  HIT (trigger still active)  ->

• progression: ( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE  ->  IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2 )
• bet set of sectors

6.  HIT (trigger still active) ->

• progression: ( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE  ->  IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2 )
• bet set of sectors

7.  Miss (trigger no longer active) ->

• progression +1
• wait for new trigger

6.  GOTO point 1. . . .


@F_LAT_INO: Is above correct?

Quote from: Smee on Nov 11, 05:14 AM 2010
I've been reading and reading all 20ish pages, testing and still trying to work this out using Ophises tracking software and just need to clear a couple of simple things up. . . . .

Heres a short sample when I lose. . . . . is this played correct?

Wait for all sectors. . . tracker says to bet splits 4381. . . . $1. . . . . lose. . . . . . don't reset tracker but wait for next trigger.

next trigger. . . . splits 4358. . . . $2. . . lose. . . . don't reset tracker but wait for next trigger.

next trigger. . . . splits 4591. . . . $3. . . lose. . . . don't reset tracker but wait for next trigger.

next trigger. . . . splits 5921. . . . $4. . . . lose. . . . don't reset tracker but wait for next trigger.

and then when I win. . . . . I take $1 off the progression if its under $4 ($2 if its over $4). . . . . . and because the trigger is still active as quoted above, bet the same splits again? then again till it loses and I wait for next trigger?

I'm just kinda unsure when to reset the tracker and when to wait for the next trigger and when to bet the same splits - and I've read and read and read. . .

Looks like an awesome system, so thanks F_lat_ino and also Ophis for the software!

Quote from: topcat888 on Nov 11, 05:10 AM 2010
Not sure what you mean..? That session was just now at DublinBet/Table 1 using the latest version of the tracker by ophis ~ please advise..?

Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 11, 05:21 AM 2010
Yesterday I tested all day with Recent

Furthest was my prefered option.........starting to change my mind  :o

Today I am gonna continue to test Recent and only do Furthest when that is the only given option.


Cheers  :thumbsup:

• bet provided sectors

• progression +1
• bet provided sectors

• progression +1
• bet provided sectors

• progression: ( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE    IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2 )
• wait for new trigger

• wait for new trigger

• bet provided sectors

• progression +1
• wait for new trigger

• wait for trigger

• bet new set of sectors

• progression: ( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE    IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2 )
• bet set of sectors

• progression: ( IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE    IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2 )
• bet set of sectors

• progression +1
• wait for new trigger

• progression +1 (step)

• IF profit>10u THEN prg=1 ELSE    IF prg<4 THEN prg-1 ELSE prg-2
• which means that IF actual balance is bigger by 10 units than balance when you started progression THEN you reset progression (going to step 1)
• IF its not bigger by 10untits THEN
• IF current progression is on step 1-4 you going back one step (form 4 to 3 from 3 to 2 etc)
• IF current progression is on step 5-10 you going back two steps (form 5 to 3 from 6 to 4 etc)