Matrix methods: Who else is winning?

[Juiced91]

Okay guys well i just wanna know who is winning with a "matrix" method?

"You gonna ask well what classifies as a matrix method?" It is all those methods that are played waiting for a pattern not to happen/happen. You have Matrix vertical 5, matric vertical 6, matrix vertical 8, code 4, divide and conquer and the list goes on.....

Ive played all these methods and they all end in the same result a LOSS.. Ive played it 4 games a "session", 1 game a session, 29 games a session, continuosly and they have all ended in a.... yes you guessed it... a LOSS.

Ive played them live, B&M casinos, rng, random.org and i never seem to come out in front. So why is only one person winning? or is all the other people winning not saying that they are in fact winning?

So thats the poll say if you winning or losing but i expect it to be the latter.

[Juiced91]

matrix systems don't work...its like a garbage..instead play methods based on some assumptions..

Thats the point of this thread. But thanks for your reply

[kingsroulette]

These matrix methods are all senseless way of playing. There is nothing like patterns. A sure loser way.

[superman]

matrix systems don't work...its like a garbage

Well described, a good clear concise description, be interesting to see if anyone actually IS winning with any of them, besides the creator of course, interesting thread.

@ juiced, sorry for your losses mate, but I did try in the early days to warn people away from them!

[Robeenhuut]

Well described, a good clear concise description, be interesting to see if anyone actually IS winning with any of them, besides the creator of course, interesting thread.

@ juiced, sorry for your losses mate, but I did try in the early days to warn people away from them!

hello

Diagonal,vertical,horizontal,mixed;  4,5,or 6 wide do not work. I mean they work for 1% players.Im in the opposite group.


Regards

[warrior]

There is only one way to win hit the dealer over the head ,run for the exit,make sure to kick the security in the nuts and hopefully you will make out alive thats in vegas by the way   oh sorry i thought i was in the MATRIX MOVIE.

[Robeenhuut]

There is only one way to win hit the dealer over the head ,run for the exit,make sure to kick the security in the nuts and hopefully you will make out alive that's in vegas by the way   oh sorry i thought i was in the MATRIX MOVIE.

Which part Warrior?

Regards

[superman]

they work for 1% players

Nah, must be less than that, theres more than 100 of us who tried them!

[Robeenhuut]

Hello

Jokes aside. Which is dangerous in this methods is that by separating the bets,waiting for number of spins to start betting etc... they give especially newbies a false sense of more security.  The reality however is that you have exactly the same chance of winning for example in Vertical 8 as using 5 step progression and betting against 1 dozen consecutively.
Ok waiting 3 steps for the trigger gives you an edge but if u compare both methods you have basically the same chance .
So why bother?  And "magical"  numbers like 8 in the case of Vertical 8.  How about 10 or 12?  That is the thinking that is behind the failure of most roulette players although some players that claim to have lots of experience for some reason ignore this obvious fact.
I think that we need to close the book on all the matrix systems based on above principles. They are just to dangerous to play.
Lets work together on other systems.

Regards

[XXVV]

An interesting question has been raised here and it deserves a sensible reply.


In my experience the matrix methods, despite their ingenious diversity, have a common characteristic in that they re-organise data so that the player can further analyse. They are like shredders that re-distribute outcomes into new sets so we can see from a different angle.


I dont believe that on their own they offer any unique edge, but nevertheless they are valuable tools and should not be dismissed.


We have seen some recent intelligent definition and comment on the fallacies of 'hit and run' play, and no one has better outlined that than Bayes.


What is not seen though is that within some hit and run approaches there is a mixture of some powerful and worthwhile principles which do make a difference to results but which have not been clearly stated in either superficial criticism or acknowledged by the players who claim success.


The matrix methods can thus benefit from the following :


* re-organisation of data into fresh sets for analysis to see outcomes in a new light for analysis
* observation of swings in deviations from the norm through such new organisation of data
* timing of entry and exit points tuned by heuristics
* engineering of new bets designed for better advantage to the player
* unique characteristics for every new bet enables fresh study of bet parameters
* observation thus of cycles of most likely and reasonable win bet outcomes
* simplicity, speed and reliability of the matrix bet turnover can be used to advantage
* money management can be applied to the simple bet outcomes
* flat staking can be applied in short cycles
* reverse bet outcomes can also be applied to advanatage


In my own case I have chosen to work initially with Pattern Breaker/ Filler and go from there to the D+C bet because I found the quick turnover and simplicity of that matrix quite ingenious.


That I make no comment on some of the other matrix bets in no way reflects on their unique qualities and characteristics because I just have not had the time or need to use/ test them. What I have developed works well.


There is short term edge available if you take the time and care to analyse and use what has been offered with intelligence.


To play continuously or test for a million spins is nonsense.


However with practice, patience and intelligent application, success can be achieved as long as your goals are realistic.


By this I mean gains of say  +5, or even +9 units in short cycles. Taking profit when offered then re-setting at the correct time where possible. This is not clockwork and at times will fail but the goal is simply to win more often than you lose and to accentuate the positives and mitigate the losses.


In the case of the D+C I have also enjoyed particular success by reversing the bet at key times.


However that took considerable research and application.


If you care to read the threads though it is all there.


In summary the matrix bets alone will not necessarily provide profit but with applied intelligence they are wonderful and intelligent tools.

[Jimmyfarside]

However that took considerable research and application.

Fantastic use of the English Language in your reply there XXVV.................
though as I have Highlighted in your Quote above, the afore mentioned "R & A", for most players, means Cash loss after Cash loss after Cash loss, using a Mirriad of Matrix methods, whether applied Strictly to the Biblical Text, or Reversed/Inverted/Swung or dare I say......Botted!!


I am amazed, that for All the Posts, and All the rhetoric associated with the Matrix Construct, that more players, and testers, are not somehow having the same "Consistent" results as displayed by JL on a regular Updated basis.


It just can not be right.


What we need, is a thorough presentation, of ACTUAL bets placed, numbers used, and results gleaned, here in Forum, for people to Gorp at, and wonder in!


Farside of the Matrix Man.

[Bayes]

I am amazed, that for All the Posts, and All the rhetoric associated with the Matrix Construct, that more players, and testers, are not somehow having the same "Consistent" results as displayed by JL on a regular Updated basis.

It just can not be right.

What we need, is a thorough presentation, of ACTUAL bets placed, numbers used, and results gleaned, here in Forum, for people to Gorp at, and wonder in!

Hi Jimmyfarside,

What do you mean: "It just can not be right"?

JL puts a big emphasis on using hit & run with his methods, and I was planning to do a simulation of code4 and a simple system suggested by Woods to show one way or the other whether hit & run actually works. I have to admit I've lost enthusiasm for that project, for the simple reason that it won't really "prove" anything. If the test shows no difference, believers won't lose the faith; they'll deny that a computer simulation is a valid way to test the hit & run hypothesis because it runs "continuously". Some people (like JL) dismiss bots for the same reason. Either that or they'll claim that the particular system tested may not have worked using hit & run, but some other system might, so the principle of hit & run won't be disproved, just a particular application of it.

[Kattila]

Hit and Run = Luck
You enter real play and can hit a bad run or the good run, never know.
The LW s strategys are like some maps to use and choose what to bet, also
virtual bet is good to avoid some loses.


cheers

[Robeenhuut]

These matrix based systems dont work period.  Either played continuously or hit and run.
They operate on dangerous progression and are based on a wrong assumption that by separating or rearranging the bets you stand a better chance of winning.
Your chances of winning  for example in Vertical 8 are exactly the same like winning 5 step progression betting against 1 dozen consecutively.  There is nothing magical about number 8 either here because you can get  10 repeats. Its not so rare.
So just keep it simple guys here please. And we can discuss hit and run here for next 100 years 




Regards

[trebor]

I voted "No I'm not"

Is that JL's "yes I am" vote.

If not will someone else own up? 

Robert