ok to give glc and everyone hope i,m going to post this system completely as i have devised it in full form and rules of play...
Was roulette explorer having us at it?.was the big question..flat betting and winning?i think as you will see that a flat bet cannot be progressed on as wins could come later on and spaced so far apart you would lose everything chasing your losses.how long does a session last..as long as it takes not just 100 spins...my worst loss was 180 units and 150 units in the 100 spin usual time frame carried on my highest win as i played was a 186 win in 100 spins and 140 win...usual wins are anything from minus 20 to plus 60 per 100 spins..average game to win back losses can go up to 500 spins making a boring working time consuming day....i can tell you now over 5000 spins i am up 1150 units.
this bet as been derived from my knowledge of the 9 movements of the sectors on the table .john legends 5 wide matrix and hints from roulette explorer though i haven,t found the ec needed to gel it into his system..
ideally a bot if anyone could make this work on william hill would be perfect to leave running on its own as it requires a lot of patience and is not very ecxiting.
with a bit of pratice you could also play with no pen or paper in a bricks and mortar casino making it ideal....1st pratice before using real money ..adhere to the rules and game play i,m not responsible for your actions.stick religiously to my rules.
ok they are 9 movements on the table aa ,ab,ac..ba,bb,bc..ca,cb,cc...these are cross sections of the dozens and columns ie aa = numbers 1,4,7,10 pretty simple ..
ok we write down results as they come out..
ab bb ca ba ac
ok i don,t have to write long list of results but tell you the rules...we bet twice per line.
never bet on a line that start with a double letter or a zero
never bet for the second bet if your result is a double letter or zero
game play is we bet every 3rd and 5th result if rules above allow us.
1st result is your trigger for the 3rd bet..the 3rd result is your trigger for the 5th bet
we are betting for the missing letter in the 3rd and 5th result.
ie ab comes out we are betting for a c to come out in the 3rd result .which is result ca so we win...now that ca has come out that is our trigger for the 5th bet ...missing letter is b so that is what we are aiming for..a letter b in the result..the result is ac so we lose ...
start afresh on the next line
if the letters are double ie aa..bb..cc..or zero it voids betting anything on that line even if the 3rd results give you a trigger .just write the results down and wait for a trigger in the next line..
if the 1st result triggers your 3rd bet you may get a double letter on the 3rd result ie aa...this voids the 5th bet as you have no trigger...
money mangement is 6 units on the dozen and 4 units split on the rest of the column..
ie if we are betting for a letter a it would be doz a 6 units col a 13/16 split 1 unit,19/22 split 1 unit,25/28 split 1 unit,31/34 split 1 unit giving a total unit bet of 10 or 1 pound in 10p,s
so its a 20 number bet to win 16 units in the best way possible..a 1 unit on doz a and 1 unit on col a doesn,t work before anyone asks..
absolutley no progression and follow instructions to the letter..
as i say its working for me and maybe i shouldn,t have posted it ..
good luck and happy xmas to you all
Thanks for sharing this with us dear 6th.
As for the bot, you could ask Teos/Ophis or even myself to attend the request this December:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7980.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7980.0)
Merry Christmas to you too.
Vic
Looks very interesting. I think I understand it but can you clarify:
"ok i don't have to write long list of results but tell you the rules...we bet twice per line."
Can you give an example of betting twice per line?
Thanks
Nick
I think I got it but before testing further, would you please review the attached rough spreadsheet
which tracks the numbers into AA, AB, AC, BB, etc.
I also included the rules as I understand them.
Please check out and advise if this is correct or what changes are necessary.
Preliminary testing looks great.
Nick
nick you are nearly there ....its written as a 5 wide matrix not a continious line as you,ll confuse yourself untill you grasp it....
example is these results
ac bb aa ca cb the number 6 came out which is ac ...becouse these are 2 different letters our 3rd bet would be doz b col b as that is the missing letter ie bet the oppisite..so we bet 6 on doz b ..split 2/5 1 unit ....8/11 split 1 unit..26/29 split 1 unit..32/35 split 1 unit.....
they are only 3 bets in total a...b...c.. when the triggers allow....
so we are betting for a letter b to come out as we got our trigger the result is aa its a loss and not a trigger for the 5th bet as its a double letter...we write results down until the next line...if the ac trigger would have been a double letter ie aa,,bb,,cc or a zero we would not bet on that line what so ever even if the 3rd result gave us a trigger we would simply write the results down until the next line.....the lines are 5 results wide.....i hope this helps..
thanks for all the encouriging pm,s...ophis could you turn this into a self playing bot for william hill it would be fantastic
Ok, let's see if my grey matter getting closer to understanding the sequence:
This is a series of 5 spins
1st and 2nd spins are virtual, no bets.
3rd spin is a bet as long as spin #1 not a Zero or AA, BB, CC
4th spin is virtual, no bets
5th spin is a bet as long as spin #3 not a Zero or AA, BB, CC
Start a new series of 5 spins.
Am I getting closer? Thanks
Nick
nick thats exactly right you,ve explained it better than me thanks
but remember if the beginnig of the line starts in a zero or a double letter aa..bb..cc it completley voids that line just write results until the next available triggered line
So you mean if Spin #1 (the beginning of a line) is 0, AA, BB, CC you write it down and start another line(series of 5 spins)?
Nick
you will fill in the line with the rest of the results...even if you are not betting..sometimes you can go 4 lines without a single bet which is 20 spins..as i say it cannot be rushed maybe thats one of the reasons it seems to work ...
It seems all clear to me, let's try it!
OK, I think I got it. It takes a while for us older brains to comprehend.
Attached is an updated version of an Excel tracker which should allow for easier tracking and testing.
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on Dec 03, 01:49 PM 2011
So you mean if Spin #1 (the beginning of a line) is 0, AA, BB, CC you write it down and start another line(series of 5 spins)?
Nick
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@Nick, pls post the tracker when you have it ready
thx
6th, thx for the system....will be testing it and report the results
vundarosa
Quote from: Nickmsi on Dec 03, 03:52 PM 2011
OK, I think I got it. It takes a while for us older brains to comprehend.
Attached is an updated version of an Excel tracker which should allow for easier tracking and testing.
Nick
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the tracker doesn't seem to be doing a thing....did I miss something?!
vundarosa
Fun game on BV European table:
bankroll: 200 units
248 spins
result: +100 units
biggest draw down was about 20-30 units.
very smooth play.
Sorry Vundarosa . . . I wrote tracker in Open Office and it switches the formulas when saved in
the excel .xls extension. I will re-write when I get back.
Nick
Hello guys.
Thanks for the method 6th sense.
Can I just see if I have this right.
I downloaded some numbers from random.org.
They were as follows......3, 9, 12, 30, 6.
So the markings are AC, AC, AC, CC, AC.
I would have bet the B in the third pair and the B in the fifth pair. This would have lost 20 units. Not a good sample of numbers but it was the first cab off the rank so to speak.
Thanks.
ps. The second line numbers were 10, 11, 24, 24, 32.
So no bet here because of the double AA on the very first result.
The third line numbers were 11, 15, 8, 29, 34.
So AB, BC, AB (loss here betting the c) CB, CA (win here betting the c)
Pretty sure I understand but just making sure before doing some more testing.
Thanks again.
The game did have a happy ending, LoL.
3 AC, 9 AC, 12 AC (LOSS ON B) 30 CC, 6 AC (LOSS ON B) -20.
10 AA, (NO POSSIBLE BET NOW ON THIS LINE) 11 AB, 24 2C, 24 2C, 32 3B.
11 AB, 15 BC, 8 AB (LOSS ON C) 29 CB, 34 CA (WIN ON A) -2. RUNNING TOTAL -22.
34 CA, 30 CC, 13 BA (WIN ON B) 26 CB, 1 AA (LOSS ON C) -2. RUNNING TOTAL -24.
29 CB, 25 CA, 1 AA (WIN ON A) (CAN'T BET AGAIN) 9AC, 34 CA. +8. RUNNING TOTAL -16.
23 BB, (NO POSSIBLE BET NOW ON THIS LINE) 28 CA, 4 AA, 27 CC, 4 AA. TOTAL -16.
2 AB, 24 BC, 24 BC (WIN ON C) 28 CA, 13 BA (WIN ON A) +16. RUNNING TOTAL LEVEL.
34 CA, 7 AA, 21 BC (WIN ON B) So I stopped here at +8.
A nice method 6th sense, thank you.
Hey Vundarosa . . .
I just finished redoing the formulas in Excel proper. It is attached and hopefully, it will work now.
Nick
I think you have got some of the coding wrong Nickmsi.
1, 4, 7, 10 = aa.
2, 5, 8, 11 = ab.
3, 6, 9, 12 = ac.
13, 16, 19, 22 = ba.
14, 17, 20, 23 = bb.
15, 18, 21, 24 = bc.
25, 28, 31, 34 = ca.
26, 29, 32, 35 = cb.
27, 30, 33, 36 = cc.
On your programme, if I type in 30, cb appears. I think it should be cc.
If I type in 13, bb appears. I think it should be ba.
Sorry if I have it wrong. Maybe we can get some clarification.
cheers.
Good catch flukey luke . . . .my fat little fingers messed up copying and pasting from Open Office to Excel.
Try this version and if any other bugs just let me know.
nick
Everything looks in good working order Nickmsi.
Thank you very much.
Fun game on BV European table:
bankroll: 200 units
402 spins
result: +16 units
biggest draw down was about 70 units (recovered!).
stopped because of lack of time.
Quote from: marivo on Dec 04, 08:17 AM 2011
Fun game on BV European table:
bankroll: 200 units
402 spins
result: +16 units
biggest draw down was about 70 units (recovered!).
stopped because of lack of time.
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@marivo, just played through your spins and I got +162u with biggest drawdown -56u....not sure if there's something i'm missing here
vundarosa
i can see that some of you are finding out that a flat bet isn,t governed just to 100 spins and can take a lot longer to recover drawdowns...also at the moment it does seem a very stable bet and for a flat bet does seem against all odds that it can win back the losses with continious play and still come out ahead...
as i said earlier its boring and time consuming when this happens...but its nice not to be doing enormous progressions and betting safley is good...you can,t lose big amounts of money...so a bot is what is needed i think...
also i,m going to start to look at the variables in the ec,s to see if i can make it more stable...ie maybe penulimtive on the colours or odds and evens...whichever is running best at the time of bet....i suggest some may try and do the same..many hands make light work...i,ve got this far ok but group effort is whats needed i think...
also for those who just want to bet and progress on a dozen i think this is ideal to aim your bet....
Quote from: 6th-sense on Dec 04, 10:10 AM 2011
i can see that some of you are finding out that a flat bet isn,t governed just to 100 spins and can take a lot longer to recover drawdowns...also at the moment it does seem a very stable bet and for a flat bet does seem against all odds that it can win back the losses with continious play and still come out ahead...
as i said earlier its boring and time consuming when this happens...but its nice not to be doing enormous progressions and betting safley is good...you can,t lose big amounts of money...so a bot is what is needed i think...
also I'm going to start to look at the variables in the ec,s to see if i can make it more stable...ie maybe penulimtive on the colours or odds and evens...whichever is running best at the time of bet....i suggest some may try and do the same..many hands make light work...I've got this far ok but group effort is what's needed i think...
also for those who just want to bet and progress on a dozen i think this is ideal to aim your bet....
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couldn't agree with you more on this one...its definitely not playable in B&M and a bot would do well....just tested a set where it went to -180u after 300 spins, recovered and ended up with +40u after 600 spins. Seating through this many spins is not something a human can easily do.vundarosa
Quote from: 6th-sense on Dec 04, 10:10 AM 2011
i can see that some of you are finding out that a flat bet isn,t governed just to 100 spins and can take a lot longer to recover drawdowns...also at the moment it does seem a very stable bet and for a flat bet does seem against all odds that it can win back the losses with continious play and still come out ahead...
as i said earlier its boring and time consuming when this happens...but its nice not to be doing enormous progressions and betting safley is good...you can,t lose big amounts of money...so a bot is what is needed i think...
also I'm going to start to look at the variables in the ec,s to see if i can make it more stable...ie maybe penulimtive on the colours or odds and evens...whichever is running best at the time of bet....i suggest some may try and do the same..many hands make light work...I've got this far ok but group effort is what's needed i think...
also for those who just want to bet and progress on a dozen i think this is ideal to aim your bet....
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6th, what's the most consecutive betting chances lost you've seen between wins, if you're keeping record?
i've recorded 8 so far...small sample, mind you
vundarosa
vundrosa only 7 for me so far ....but it always recovered with continious play it may be the cycle of random going one way then the other ,always plus though at the moment.
i would say it could be a lot more but not at moment...don,t you think its against the odds that you recovered with a flat bet all that you lost and ended up in profit?
the progression bit i mentioned is just to target the dozen not the column ...its just an idea for people to look at.
an ec with the same amount bet ie 10 units on ec and 10 units on the target might be a good option...not high and low but odd,even, red,black....would limit the amount of losses maybe, i haven,t looked into it but will do during the course of the month..
variables even though the BET is holding its own could be another key break through
Quote from: vundarosa on Dec 04, 09:20 AM 2011
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@marivo, just played through your spins and I got +162u with biggest drawdown -56u....not sure if there's something i'm missing here
vundarosa
Well maybe I made mistake. I have no time to check it again now, anyway the point is it went down and it recovered. Tracker for checking past spins would be very beneficial.
Fun game on Aurora online casino (in my country) European table, 0,01 min. bet:
bankroll: 200 units
201 spins
result: +29 units
biggest draw down was about 70-80 units (recovered!).
Fun game on BV European table:
bankroll: 200 units
96 spins
result: +105 units
biggest draw down was about 20 units.
Terribly long session with lots of plays started with AA, BB, CC .... I was aiming to reach +100 units, was close to (+90 units) but then went down and gave up after 800 spins. Still ended in plus. Had 2 deep draws down.
Fun game on BV European table:
bankroll: 200 units
800 spins
result: +8 units
biggest draws down was about 60 units (at the beginning) and about 140 units (towards the end).
marivo you are a trooper...still plus 6 at 800 spins after your downsides might not be much but as a continious game what other flat bet would have finished like this??
a bot would be ideal becouse it could be a very long game or a shorter one with the minimal spins either way its still working no matter how hard it tries to be beaten...
in your honest opinion does it feel a safer bet than progressing..?
as its time consuming did you not jot down the ec,s in your notes to see if a same unit bet amount on any of them would have favoured you?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Dec 05, 02:36 PM 2011
in your honest opinion does it feel a safer bet than progressing..?
Yes.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Dec 05, 02:36 PM 2011
as its time consuming did you not jot down the ec,s in your notes to see if a same unit bet amount on any of them would have favoured you?
Sorry I didn't, because I was placing bets pretty automaticly (in BV you can prepare your bets, so it took me only 1 click to place a bet).....
Do you mean some ec should be in favour if I place same bet (10 units) at the time I was placing it on dozs and splits?
6th and I have been talking about it by PM and this method definitely gets coded at the roulettestudy.com website.
Well, I can't really specify an exact release day, only "this month" (but at least it's something as I'm giving this priority given the manual results so far).
Of course, the testing results can be deep-linked from six's account to here at this thread -the idea is to be mutually beneficial. Let's only hope this baby passes the longer-term testing phase :)
Vic
yes marivo lets say you are placing your bet and its for a c letter to appear..which is a 10 unit bet as usual...i,m testing to see if a 10 unit bet also on the penulimite colour or even/odd at that excact moment is worth putting on...or if its a run ie 2 or more of the same ie 2 reds then we put 10 units on red ...ie if its 2 blacks...or 2 odds...or 2 evens...so in effect just going with the runs....its going to be penulimitive or the runs...no high or low...its a very good theory and in effect with the original win.....3....million..site....we are betting the oppisite ie going for a letter oppisite what has come out ie ac...bet for b.....and hopefully catch the runs...red,black,odd,even....roulette explorer said this was the key to his bet to stabilise it and the links to vls he confirmed he said gives big hints to this...
thats why i,m saying its worth jotting down the results of the ec,s as a win or lose or double win if it comes out within our target...this is a major key i think....the BET itself is pretty special but a key element like this would make it magicical...
Can you show short example of this ec tracking and betting?
sorry about the late reply its been a hectic couple of days....
what i am talking about is when we bet for our third or fifth bet we should be noticing if an ec has come out twice...ie say we put our bet of 10 units on the letter c..becouse ab was our trigger ....but at the same time our trigger which is the 1st vitual was red..the 2nd virtual was also red....then the 3rd which is our actual bet maybe we should think of betting our usual 10 units on c....and 10 units on red...keeping the run .....same for 3rd result...4th result then if two of the same ec bet 10 units on the ec as well as our target letter...no tracking really just seeing whats in front of you...
ie ab ba ca cc bc our line
1 red 19 red 34 red 33 black 15 black the results
trigger virtual
+
2 reds in a row so when we bet for a letter c
we also bet 10 units on red...so we win twice
when the result ca 34 red comes out ..we,ve won
on the letter c and caught the run on red...
ca is now our trigger for the 5th bet which will be a letter b....we now have ca red cc black so no colour to bet for but the letter b which we win...
this is a simple an easily understood explanation....i think....it could be the colours are choppy bet the odds and evens are stable so you could them instead if both are in your favour either choose one or use them both ....i,m only testing the bet on one...hope this is helpful
Thank you, lets try!
Here's what I tried.
An additional bet of 10 units was placed on the dominant color. I checked the last 5 spins to determine if Red or Black was dominant.
First Test:
70 Spins-----10/15 dominant colors won-----plus 51 profit
Second Test:
130 Spins-----15/27 dominant colors won-----plus 22 profit.
All flat betting.
Nick
Here's a summary of my first 4 test.
In addition to the regular bet, I was betting 10 units on the dominant color in last 5 spins. A dominant color is 3 out of 5 Reds, 4 out of 5 Reds, 5 out of 5 Reds, vice versa for Blacks.
First Test:
70 Spins-----10/15 dominant colors won-----plus 51 profit
Second Test:
130 Spins-----15/27 dominant colors won-----plus 22 profit.
Third Test:
84 Spins-----8/13 dominant colors won-----plus 53 profit.
Fourth Test:
28 Spins-----4/6 dominant colors won-----Plus 57 profit.
It appears the profit target comes earlier, ie. less spins.
Also, the additional bet seems to reduce the severity of the bankroll draw downs.
So far what's not to like.
Nick
thanks nick...seems to match my results too....so up to now we,ve got a flat bet that works...trying different tweaks with the ec,s seems to be making it better...no negative comments at moment which is unusual but a good sign i suppose..
so theres no big bang and the worlds gone mad....so i think maybe roulette explorer...yes you...should email steve or victor and post what you have ..just as i have done...you have nothing to lose.....
the fact is even if someone had a flat bet they wouldn,t have the patience to use it...
How do you calculate this?
Example:
Quote from: Nickmsi on Dec 07, 07:17 PM 2011
Fourth Test:
28 Spins-----4/6 dominant colors won-----Plus 57 profit.
bets were 60 units,
you got back 80 units
result 20 units profit?!
Thank you 6th sense for sharing this gem!
I don't think it's CWB yet but it provides great way of coding D/C and thus tracking relevant patterns in my opinion! I always coded dozens with abc , columns with 123 and that confused me.
I'm not sure about trigger. Why did you choose 3rd and 5th spin? I think you are missing a lot of betting oportunities.
I am now "coding" few 100 spin sessions in AB format. I first write them all in one long line like this:
AA AB AC CB CC BB AB CA BC AA BB BA AC....
and then i write them like this depending on trigger:
AB AC - abc has showed up on second spin
AC CB - AC is also a trigger, no reason for waiting
CB CC BB AB
AB CA
CA BC
BC AA .....
I will post my sessions when i code them.
At least for now i can see some interesting stuff like chances for limited progression or maybe even reversing the bet and play it on less numbers.
I promised myself not to be excited again at early stages but so far it's been a revalation for me! :xd:
hi paja...lots of time study just like yourself is how i came to the conclusion of this bet...as for consistant i think its proving its self at the moment flat betting...so i think it is..
i know i am missing betting opportunities but that is becouse of lots of testing on my part as i devised the best way to play it..its not in my opinion to be taken lightly the way its played...
the 3rd and 5th bet and rules of play are what makes it work, iv,e tried so many combinations but the simple matter is this was the only way forward for it to recover losses flat betting..
why it works i think is becouse of the random cycle going around and around we are on it either when the drawdown is happening but sticking on the drawdown cycle eventually goes to the upward cycle thus getting off when in profit...a lot of times you do hit the upward cycle putting you in plus pretty quickly...either way its working
i,m glad iv,e given you inspiration and i,ll look forward to reading your systems or ideas too but you need to try without progression if you can ..it makes it more appealing and relaxing in my book...
Marivo . . .
My calculations for the 57 unit profit was 20 units profit on the dominant color bet (4/6) and 37 units on the basic bet of this system.
Hope this clarifies your question.
Thank you.
When we are speaking about this ec bets I (still) cant see reason why it would be more profitable if we track this bets together with doc/col bets instead of just tracking dominant (let say last 5 spins) ec bets alone? Do we stop tracking ec bets if we don't have doz/col bet (in case there is aa bb cc) and we don't bet anything? You think this could be an advantage?
"When we are speaking about this ec bets I (still) can't see reason why it would be more profitable if we track this bets together with doc/col bets instead of just tracking dominant (let say last 5 spins) ec bets alone?"
I agree. I am not a mathematician or statistician so can't tell if there is any correlation between the EC bets and the Doz/Colmn bets. I don't think there is.
However, I do believe that perhaps they are synergistic, meaning that two or more systems functioning together can produce a result not independently obtainable.
It's too early in the testing of these two systems working together to know if there is truly some synergy or not.
Time will tell.
Nick
Quote from: 6th-sense on Dec 08, 08:15 AM 2011
hi paja...lots of time study just like yourself is how i came to the conclusion of this bet...as for consistant i think its proving its self at the moment flat betting...so i think it is..
i know i am missing betting opportunities but that is becouse of lots of testing on my part as i devised the best way to play it..its not in my opinion to be taken lightly the way its played...
the 3rd and 5th bet and rules of play are what makes it work, iv,e tried so many combinations but the simple matter is this was the only way forward for it to recover losses flat betting..
why it works i think is becouse of the random cycle going around and around we are on it either when the drawdown is happening but sticking on the drawdown cycle eventually goes to the upward cycle thus getting off when in profit...a lot of times you do hit the upward cycle putting you in plus pretty quickly...either way its working
I'm glad iv,e given you inspiration and i,ll look forward to reading your systems or ideas too but you need to try without progression if you can ..it makes it more appealing and relaxing in my book...
I understand. I wasn't paying enough attention that it was matrix based concept you were referring to. I am not very familiar with it but i realise it's one of ways for tracking the spins thus reading random. As i see it width of matrix depends on number of spins in which something happens in most cases and there is great ways for tracking vertical results but i won't guess because it's something i should find out on my own.
Many great players on this forum are using different language to say the same things and it's up to member to find one language he understands best.
I'll keep it as flat as possible! :thumbsup: No progression can win a game on it's own, only maximize profit of good bet selection but let's leave that for some other time.
Quote from: Nickmsi on Dec 08, 03:56 PM 2011
I agree. I am not a mathematician or statistician so can't tell if there is any correlation between the EC bets and the Doz/Colmn bets. I don't think there is.
However, I do believe that perhaps they are synergistic, meaning that two or more systems functioning together can produce a result not independently obtainable.
It's too early in the testing of these two systems working together to know if there is truly some synergy or not.
Time will tell.
Nick
What about the fact that:
column B has 8 BLACK and 4 RED numbers
column C has 8 RED and 4 BLACK numbers ?
Can we somehow make this bet to be only outside bet?
Quote from: Paja on Dec 09, 09:20 AM 2011
I understand. I wasn't paying enough attention that it was matrix based concept you were referring to. I am not very familiar with it but i realise it's one of ways for tracking the spins thus reading random. As i see it width of matrix depends on number of spins in which something happens in most cases and there is great ways for tracking vertical results but i won't guess because it's something i should find out on my own.
Many great players on this forum are using different language to say the same things and it's up to member to find one language he understands best.
I'll keep it as flat as possible! :thumbsup: No progression can win a game on it's own, only maximize profit of good bet selection but let's leave that for some other time.
Ask yourself one ?are you prepared to sit at the table flat betting for 600 spins when your losing your money and your so in a draw down ,try this at a real casino and or even online 99% people will get so bored they will stop playing.and if you do win really how much profit for the time you spend in the casino.
nicely put paja...its took me a long time to make this bet happen but there are lots of interesting stuff in vertical results..especially diaganally...only when you break the table itself down..which for me is 9 movements...learn what you need to learn which is pretty much everything you can and look at other options..synergie is a good word to use i like that...
some systems or ideas cut and cropped together make a total difference when you are stuck.
not every spin has to be played just becouse its there...my system is safe and seems to be working but cannot be progressed on...does this make it a failure..NO..it makes it a sensible choice and a base for people to be inspired from to see if they cut and crop it for their own ideas...i think your going to do ok and i,m looking forward to reading anything you deem interesting to post...
yep warrior you are totally right 600 spins or 800 spins is a long time thats why i,ve asked vls to make a bot..most of the time you are in plus early the main point is that this flat bet recovers its losses..thats the basis of it..trying to link an ec to it is to make more stable ..the most up to now is 180 units down which with 10 units a bet is how many bets??? not too many and it pulls back through..quite agree with you and it works ok but if the ec can help it will be a shorter cycle to hit profit...with no progression..
Quote from: warrior on Dec 09, 09:39 AM 2011
Ask yourself one ?are you prepared to sit at the table flat betting for 600 spins when your losing your money and your so in a draw down ,try this at a real casino and or even online 99% people will get so bored they will stop playing.and if you do win really how much profit for the time you spend in the casino.
I'm not that hungry to eat half-baked cookie but there are people who can't fight the urge to go out and play in a casino every single day. This (and few other bets on this forum) are just the thing to stop them losing money. Making this bet more stable is the thing we are trying to do in this thread.
I'm not that hungry to eat half-baked cookie ......like this saying its nearly as good as one other on this forum which was ...i feel like a martian talking to a peanut....that had me giggling for months....
warrior is quite right paja...he,s not lying just telling the truth...thats why an ec to improve profits quicker is the key...i also think that with a proven flat bet your base unit can be as high as you like...this is the difference between progrssion and flat betting..
as warrior said would it be worth it...players on here progress ridicolous amounts to win 1 unit and chase losses...there unit is only 10p or a pound...your flat bet could be worth 10 x that and make 20 units a day......i,m sure everyone would choose the safer and less stressfull option..
"What about the fact that:
column B has 8 BLACK and 4 RED numbers
column C has 8 RED and 4 BLACK numbers ?
Can we somehow make this bet to be only outside bet?"
paja . . . I completely forgot about this correlation. That's what I like about sharing ideas on the forum, you get many minds with many different ideas and points of views.
Will test some possibilities and see if any difference.
Thanks
Nick
So i did a little testing with this bet supported with betting on R/B.
I played by strict rules of 3rd and 5th spin in 5x20 matrix for every 100 spin session.
1st variation:
When trigger for A - same as basic bet A with no colors.
When trigger for B - same as basic bet B 10 units on BLACK
When trigger for C - same as basic bet C 10 units on RED
Idea was to strengthen the wins and weak the losses according to color difference in columns B and C.
Results:
32
10
6
-120
80
-62
20
-88
30
-52
Total -144 units in 10x100 spins sessions. 6 won, 4 lost sessions.
Maximum drawdown in one session -126 units.
Max. up 80 units.
Now I'm testing the opposite bet.
good testing paja ....my test going with the colour in front of me ie the run seems to be working a lot better...the trouble with the way you are doing it in my mind is that you are chasing the dominant colour in the columns not the colour thats flowing at the time of the game in play...i,m looking whats happening at the time...
there are lots of oddities as you have pointed out but its gameplay at the time we should be concerened about..
another oddity not mentioned on the forum is that all the numbers in doz1 have there own reference number in the same columns through the other dozens lets give a quick reference ie ac numbers 3 red 6 black 9 red 12 red...these are all in our ref ac....look up the numbers in the rest of column at bc,cc... 15 black numbers added together=6 black..18 red numbers added together =9 red...21 red numbers added together =3 red...24 black numbers added together =6 black..27 red numbers added together =9 red...30 red numbers added together =3 red...33 black numbers added together = 6 black,....36 red numbers added together= 9 red......all except number 12 has a partner why?
same for every column number refering back to doz1 every number that is except 19 red.....
why?.......and number 1 red no partner ?
I too tested the basic "A Bet" without any colors, the "B Bet" with 10 units on Red, and the "C Bet" with 10 units on Black.
My results were not as good as just betting the dominant color in the last 5 spins. The dominant color also gives you more betting opportunities as you bet every time there is a trigger and I found less swings in the bankroll.
I think adding the EC bet stabilizes the basic system and will continue to test.
Nick
I wiped out my BR at BV so i decided to troll the forum again. And i must say this is the best system ive seen in a while not to mention it is used with flat bet! I recorded most of my sessions and in the long run i see it always ends in profit. I will test it live once i get some money in my account. I suspect the BV wheel behaves different once you actually play the system with money and will screw me up and loose the BR again even with this system (hope im wrong and its all in my head)
Quote from: 6th-sense on Dec 10, 03:29 PM 2011
good testing paja ....my test going with the colour in front of me ie the run seems to be working a lot better...the trouble with the way you are doing it in my mind is that you are chasing the dominant colour in the columns not the colour that's flowing at the time of the game in play...I'm looking what's happening at the time...
there are lots of oddities as you have pointed out but its gameplay at the time we should be concerened about..
another oddity not mentioned on the forum is that all the numbers in doz1 have there own reference number in the same columns through the other dozens lets give a quick reference ie ac numbers 3 red 6 black 9 red 12 red...these are all in our ref ac....look up the numbers in the rest of column at bc,cc... 15 black numbers added together=6 black..18 red numbers added together =9 red...21 red numbers added together =3 red...24 black numbers added together =6 black..27 red numbers added together =9 red...30 red numbers added together =3 red...33 black numbers added together = 6 black,....36 red numbers added together= 9 red......all except number 12 has a partner why?
same for every column number refering back to doz1 every number that is except 19 red.....
why?.......and number 1 red no partner ?
Very true! Wininig in this game depends on moment, like place in time when something tends to happen. One spin is never enough. I am learning that valuable way of reading random from great people from this thread as we speak.
One question: Am i right to think that we can't predict (read the pattern) of a simple coin tossing?
It looks to me that EC reading is back to back process. Patterns of EC's are just giving hints of what could be happening with larger number groups at the time. If we can see what larger groups tend to do we can predict where to bet on EC.
Oh and this "little" 369 puzzle requires special attention. Looks like awsome tool for unlocking the gates of time (even more precise and profitable way of betting?). Targeted for closer look.
It's bad luck that i can't spare more time these days on my PC to test all this ideas and theories i have (therefore my late response). :'(
thanks Mudiru (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=profile;u=3249) ...its took me a long time to develop this system...patience is the key ..as warrior pointed out though you can be in for the long haul..but not all the time..its the only flat bet on the net to my knowledge that works and recovers its losses on its own with no progression..hopefully victor will have the bot ready this month to take the hard work out of it.
and yes paja time to focus on other ideas is time consuming ...its so easy to to drop one thing then look at another...this bet i never dropped but always focused and tested different options before coming to its basic bet conclusion...still doing well with ec connected to it...but testing is time consuming...the next bet next year i will focus more of my attention is the law of the 3rd but breaking the table numbers down into the order they should work in...
ie there are 36 numbers but within them they are only 10 ie the end of the number like finnials ...so 1 to 10 ...how many different end numbers out of the 10 do you see coming out in 36 spins??.....when do you bet ? next year will tell..for now this bet is one that works under my belt but the sad thing is it will be lost in the annals of this forum under appreciated by most what they have here...
Ok i tested this bet with dominant color in last 5 spins.Added dominant color bet only when betting basic bet.
22B 10B 19R 30R 13B - skip first 5 numbers in session to have dominant
32R 15B - now bet A + 10u on RED
trig.
Results:
1. -6
2. +90
3. -42
4. -100
5. +50
6. +58
7. -6
8. -174
9. +20
10. -80
Total: -192 units in 1000 real (not rng) spins
max down -174 units
max up +112
It doesen't look any more stable to me.Will check if following runs when RR/BB on virtuals gives better results.
As my testing and all of your testing so far has shown good results, I decided to put this into a bot.
Mind you, this is RNG testing, but it has validity for testing purposes.
I tested the system by itself and linking it to two EC systems as well.
I tested it both continuously and with various profit targets and stop losses.
Unfortunately it does not always recover, in any mode.
It has the same massive losing streaks that afflict most systems.
If you do not play it continuously, set reasonable profit and stop targets and your timing is right, you should be able to pick up a few bucks.
I really appreciate your sharing this unique system and enjoyed the journey of testing it out.
Keep the ideas flowing . . . Nick
ie say we put our bet of 10 units on the letter c..becouse ab was our trigger ....but at the same time our trigger which is the 1st vitual was red..the 2nd virtual was also red....then the 3rd which is our actual bet maybe we should think of betting our usual 10 units on c....and 10 units on red...keeping the run .....same for 3rd result...4th result then if two of the same ec bet 10 units on the ec as well as our target letter...no tracking really just seeing what's in front of you...
ie ab ba ca cc bc our line
1 red 19 red 34 red 33 black 15 black the results
trigger virtual
+
2 reds in a row so when we bet for a letter c
we also bet 10 units on red...so we win twice
when the result ca 34 red comes out ..we,ve won
on the letter c and caught the run on red...
ca is now our trigger for the 5th bet which will be a letter b....we now have ca red cc black so no colour to bet for but the letter b which we win...
paja this is the way i,m testing even if there is no dominant colour there....
nick didn,t know you could do bots but glad to hear you can could you upload it so i can test with it? all my test are going quite well but would love to try your bot out
hi nick been trying your bot out that you emailed me...thanks...your programing is wrong been testing the results writing them down,,when a line is starting with a double letter or a zero that line is void your program if the 3rd trigger is there regardless of the the very 1st result bets anyway thus not in sync with the rules i laid out..on the plus side though it doesn't have massive losses and even with the settings you,ve put in the stop-loss against win ratio it still evens up wins to losses as it is...like the bot think you could adjust the settings to play properly? as i said it didn,t match results i am getting and by the sounds of it others too...
also could you take the stop loss off it and profit maybe set it for a 1000 spin sample a go so i can see where it the bankroll dips and rises to see if the rng matches live results...thanks
Will check out your questions this weekend and advise you via email with further instructions for screen shots and explanations to debug any problems.
Nick
Played by newest rules - bet 10 on red when RR or 10 on black when BB , BR/RB - no EC bet:
1. +12
2. +20
3. +46
4. -80
5. +100
Great so far, looks more stable! Max 88 units down. I'll keep testing.
thats how i,m doing it paja...but when there is no bet on the colours becouse of r/b..b/r etc i,m trying out if the odd or evens are viable just like the red and black...but always betting the 3rd and 5th bet if the trigger allows on the original system...
Another 5 sessions with just following RR or BB:
6. +18
7. -20
8. -48
9. -10
10. +38
So, in 10x100 spin sessions total +76 , max down -88, max up +100. Better than following dominant in last 5 spins.
Def. more stable.On to next phase with same bet as this + checking for EE/OO if we don't have color trigger.
1000 same spins with tweaked version - adding E/O bets when R/B trigger is not available as 6th-sense suggested:
1. +12
2. +50
3. +36
4. -90
5. +70
6. +28
7. 0
8. +2
9. 0
10. +38
Results even better! Total +146 units. Only 1/10 sessions lost. Max down -98, max up +82.
I noticed lot of potential wins on E/O, which wasn't played at the time due to already having a R/B trigger.
What about using R/B and E/O bets at the same time when ever we can?
Quote from: Paja on Dec 17, 11:45 AM 2011
1000 same spins with tweaked version - adding E/O bets when R/B trigger is not available as 6th-sense suggested:
1. +12
2. +50
3. +36
4. -90
5. +70
6. +28
7. 0
8. +2
9. 0
10. +38
Results even better! Total +146 units. Only 1/10 sessions lost. Max down -98, max up +82.
I noticed lot of potential wins on E/O, which wasn't played at the time due to already having a R/B trigger.
What about using R/B and E/O bets at the same time when ever we can?
What about using only E/O?
As I understand it E/O is much stable then R/B
hi paja i did say in the quote i gave maybe use both...i have not tested both at the same time even as you say it does provide more bets i just like to test one thing at a time 1st before i continue..so not rushing from one idea to the next....i don,t know if e/o are more stable as you can see results are not too bad...but as i said and you too are realising the ec,s seems to be holding up with the original system...you don,t need to win every 100 spins but the overall session which can take a lot of spins or a short burst to whatever reasonable goal target you set for profit...a flat bet is a good bet...a flat bet with a winning tested strategy can have a more unit value than a progressive one
In next 1000 spins things turned for the worse:
11. -24
12. -48
13. -66
14. -4
15. -72
16. -158
17. -16
18. -50
19. -38
20. +2
Max -184 units down, max +42 up, most of the time never went positive. No go in my book.
One thing i noticed, it looks like double letters (AA,BB,CC) tend to cluster and hit often in short bursts of spins.
It looks to me that triggers for B/R and O/E are too much universal for this type of bet. I think it depends from where
colors/odd-evens come from. Can we learn more from 2nd and 4th virtual spin?
oooh paja thats really bad results....none of mine have been that bad but we should take notice of your results ...the double letters do cluster but there is no bet to be had there i,ve been down that path before so as xxvv we,ve both discussed and tested that option last year.nicks bot has been updated and now runs with its own rng software..it too gives results like the one you have posted and is running correctley now..as i said to nick it didn,t match my results maybe becouse its rng but looking at your post it makes me wonder..we both came to the conclusion of reversing the bet and see how his excellent bot does this way..