Been looking at wheel movements now again, this was my first result (live spins)
3120122111211212322323113012232120103223212131122112121212
As you can see the 1 & 2 movement is most common. That is the wheel divided into 6 sectors. Distance calculated from the sector last hit. So distance can be 0,1,2,3.
Problem (?) Playing this: it would be a 24 number bet. 6+6+6+6 numbers to cover the 1 & 2 move
Just some ideas. See if this is possible to play somehow
This was meant to be in the notepad section.
I ask for it to be moved.
Thank you
Just out of curiosity...have you tried breaking the wheel down to 3 or 4 number sectors and refining the movement? 6 number sectors are pretty broad.
Disclaimer: I am an advocate of small number bets (3-4 numbers per spin)
If you can refine to 3-4 number sectors or even better...use Sam's software and get yourself an exact number of spaces from the previous hit. Refine the bet.
Bet less numbers...your wins aren't diluted by losing bets. If you insist on long progressions...they don't get completely out of control right away.
I know you like high strike rates Ignatus but try not to be tempted to just bet the table...excluding the 6 numbers in your most recently hit sector...I know only having a few 0's on your tracking log you're tempted. Think about it...test it...just don't friggin do it ;)
OK I've looked at the bet for this: It's quite possible to play because the 24 number bet has been reduced to 8-10 numbers bet using all possible splits, streets, corners, and doublesteets. Ofcourse no profit made from doublestreets and corners.
This is what I figure the bets for each sector. (must doublecheck this is correct)
1= Number 31 Splits 3/6, 13/14, 17/18, 22/23 Street 34/36 Doublestreet 7/12, 25/30 *
2= Numbers 15,26,28,30 Split 16/19 Street 10/12 Corners 0/3, 4/8, 20/24, 32/36 *
3= Numbers 0,29,34 Splits 6/9, 22/25, 24/27 Street 19/21, 31/33 Corner 1/5 Doublestreet 13/18 *
4= Number 31 Splits 3/6, 13/14, 17/18, 22/23 Street 34/36 Doublestreets 7/12, 25/30 *
5= Numbers 15,26,28,30 Split 16/19 Street 10/12 Corners 0/3, 4/8, 20/24, 32/36 *
6= Numbers 0,29,34 Splits 6/9, 22/25, 24/27 Streets 19/21, 31/33 Corner 1/5 Doublestreet 13/18 *
* All doublechecked and correct.
I like this idea Ig
Although I do think you're shooting yourself in the foot with sticking to the wheel only. Going by the layout provides same results and can be bet equally and quickly in double streets
DS 1 - bet 5 6 2 3
DS 2 - bet 6 1 3 4
DS 3 - bet 1 2 4 5
DS 4 - bet 2 3 5 6
DS 5 - bet 3 4 6 1
DS 6 - bet 4 5 1 2
This gets you same win loss ratio as its still 24 numbers
Check it out
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 05, 03:18 AM 2013
I like this idea Ig
Although I do think you're shooting yourself in the foot with sticking to the wheel only. Going by the layout provides same results and can be bet equally and quickly in double streets
DS 1 - bet 5 6 2 3
DS 2 - bet 6 1 3 4
DS 3 - bet 1 2 4 5
DS 4 - bet 2 3 5 6
DS 5 - bet 3 4 6 1
DS 6 - bet 4 5 1 2
This gets you same win loss ratio as its still 24 numbers
Check it out
The sectors are correct, and this is exacly what I've done. (not using doublestreets, only sectors on the wheel) Now testing this... I'm not sure the doublestreet betting would give the same result? Perhaps yes... But that would be a 4 doublestreet bet. Anyway, we'll see how it goes from here! ;D
Correct and 4 double streets = 24 number bet. I may test this myself in testing section
This is my first test playing this (Live at DublinBet):
LWLWLLWWWLWWLLWWLLWWLWWLLLWLWWLWWWWWLLWLWWLLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWL
As you can see the losing streaks are not very long, this is because only way to lose if it repeats on the same sector or hits sector in a 3 step distance.
I'm not sure how to handle the doublestreets and corner bets, (this gives no profit) but it can be used as protection agains loss, perhaps.
Also ideas of progression playing this? The bet is between 8-10 units (no more) ... so perhaps a 10 unit progression can be used?
I've made a simple tracker for playing this. (Live Wheels only)
This is in the testing stage so far, ideas are welcome.
Cheers
Another session at DublinBet:
WWLWLLWLWWLWWLWWLLWWLWWWWLWW
+200 from this short session, using +1 (negative) progression 1,2,3,4....(1 unit bets) Seems to be working very well, especially using this +1 progression. It can be alittle slow playing when doublestreet and corners hit etc. No heavy losing streaks so far. 8)
First test, >:D
So how is this played?
Just use the tracker? :) I play with negative +1 progression, and it has worked very well so far.
But I need help testing this; to find out if long losing streaks will happen, and how frequent etc. Now I have to use the tracker and do it all manually. So it takes some time. I'm soon done with more spins.
Cheers 8)
What is the average win ?
On a corner its X 8 on a Number its 35 so how do you bet these....
Looks complicated to bet , especialy on Dublin when they spin fast....
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 05, 09:05 AM 2013
What is the average win ?
On a corner its X 8 on a Number its 35 so how do you bet these....
Looks complicated to bet , especialy on Dublin when they spin fast....
Ray
I'm not done with the results, this is my test so far using the tracker (live spins)
WLLWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWLWWLLWWWLWWWLWLLWWLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL
I haven't seen a longer losing streak than 3 losses in a row, and if this is true, its very good news. But don't be fooled by the W/L statistics because if it hit doublestreets, corners, streets etc don't give much profit (or any) this is just to reduce losing. You only make real profit when single numbers or streets hit. Use +1 negative progression playing this. I'm suprised myself it looks very good so far (but need more testing!) I do more spins, it's a lot of work doing it manually. Would be greatful if someone is interested in testing this! ;D
Let me make this perfectly clear: It is not MY software except that it runs on my computer and I paid Normy for it. Anyone who wants it can pay the man just like I did. What he charges is up to him.
The idea is mine. An idea I've had for years. Will it ever bear fruit? Who knows? I'm no Jl and don't promise to break the bank.
I am going to test this to the point where I win #1000 and see if anyone's interested.
ignatus, you may delete this without my anger flaring.........if you want to.
Sam
Further............
I think somebody out there should think I might have a point! If you study drop pockets and the next spin as much as I have, you will see what I see. It ain't perfect, but it ain't all luck either.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 05, 09:20 AM 2013
Let me make this perfectly clear: It is not MY software except that it runs on my computer and I paid Normy for it. Anyone who wants it can pay the man just like I did. What he charges is up to him.
The idea is mine. An idea I've had for years. Will it ever bear fruit? Who knows? I'm no Jl and don't promise to break the bank.
I am going to test this to the point where I win #1000 and see if anyone's interested.
ignatus, you may delete this without my anger flaring.........if you want to.
Sam
No, it's OK sam, just excited now by this new wheel strategy... See how it goes. ;)
Great that tracker!
Cheers
New results: (livespins)
LWWWLWWLWWWWWLLLWLLWLWWLWWLLWWWLWWLWWWLWWWWWWWWLWL
Now, where is the losing streak I'm looking for?? I'm not doing this to "show off" truth will be obvious if this works or not sooner or later. But I'm getting worried - this looks to good to be true. ??
Totality of spins I've done today (both on DublinBet and from list of livespins):
LWWWLWWLWWWWWLLLWLLWLWWLWWLLWWWLWWLWWWLWWWWWWWWLWLWLLWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWLWWLLWWWLWWWLWLLWWLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWLLWLWWLWWLWWLLWWLWWWWLWWLWLWLLWWWLWWLLWWLLWWLWWLLLWLWWLWWWWWLLWLWWLLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWL
So, tell me wtf is wrong? Why can't I find a longer losing streak??!
Quotethis looks to good to be true
Probably is then, seriousley, you tested your last invention for days then in 2 days lose a shed load of cash, start a new idea the same day and you already think its a winner! dude, I have no words lol
Quote from: superman on Feb 05, 10:35 AM 2013
Probably is then, seriousley, you tested your last invention for days then in 2 days lose a shed load of cash, start a new idea the same day and you already think its a winner! dude, I have no words LoL
No? That's not true. I'm just asking why the hell it won't fail? Like the rest of my strategies? Now prove me wrong superman?
You're playing 24 numbers?
I may have miscounted with scrolling the long WL register...but I roughly had counted 63 losses and 135 wins...which is slightly better than the expected result. So small sampling size...chalking up to margin of error for the moment.
Maybe it's just because W's are wider than L's so by virtue of them taking up more space in your log it gives a false sense of security and accomplishment?
Just keep in mind...any method that has you betting on that many numbers has a great downside if you use any progression on the negative side. Positive porgressions on large number bets need to be short duration so you don't give back all your winnings trying to stretch for too much.
I continue to believe you will be better off with wheel sectors that are not so big for tracking (even going so far as to go space by space for tracking purposes) and then make better bets on less numbers for a more sustainable method and better upside potential while limiting your exposure to the total bust. But what the hell do I know...I only have about 6 kajillion more spins than you under my belt :)
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 05, 10:38 AM 2013
No? That's not true. I'm just asking why the hell it won't fail? Like the rest of my strategies? Now prove me wrong superman?
To much GUNJA MAN,
Thanks rouletteKEY. But it's not "many numbers bet"? The unit for each bet is 8-10 units. Covering all possible splits, streets, corners and doublestreets.
One thing true: Winning is not always making profit playing this: when it hit doublestreets and corners for an example. So, as I already explained real profit is only when single numbers or splits hit. Very small profit on streets. For doublestreets and corners profit is none. This is just a compromise, reduce loss etc. But playing with +1 progression for 8-10 numbers works very well.
I know what you say about lesser numbers and a more accurate betting style. But this system was based on a test, and it seems repeats on the same sector OR the longest move 3 steps are far less than the 1 & 2 step move.... well, time to prove this is true or not.
Quote from: warrior on Feb 05, 11:04 AM 2013
To much GUNJA MAN,
I wish ;) Girl ran away with my money I was going to buy some weed. lol Well, just my luck! ;D
There is is only 4 movements ,you take your money from the left pocket and put it in your right pocket,then from right to the back right then back right to left pocket. :smile:
Last word has not been said yet.
I need help testing/playing this.
You can see this from old statistics I've done: Note ZERO and SIX. It hits less. This is a fact.
Now, how is this strategy played? No bet on ZERO and SIX distance: Really how ? I've divided the wheel into six sections, only betting distance 1 & 2. (in relation to last spin) Distance can be in this case 0,1,2,3. NO Bet on the 0 and 3 distance, since they hit LESS.
Well? I have to play again, since no one is willing to test this strategy? I've already made a simple tracker that can be used.
See how many spins before i win 200u? Last time I did it in 28 spins.
Are you a programmer ignatus?
Regards
Max
Quote from: MAX on Feb 05, 01:44 PM 2013
Are you a programmer ignatus?
Regards
Max
Not really. I have very basic programming skills, that I remembered from High School ;D
No programming skills this side.
:(
Regards
Max
Ignatus,If you would care to read my post on the Bet Selection forum entitled. "Was I Just Lucky. . Or What?" then you will find that I was trying a method similar to this.
The Idea of betteng a certain area or sectors at either side of the last number spun.
Always only on a live wheel.
Initially. I had great results as you have had but eventually the bad runs came and I lost faith in it to some extent.
But I reckon it could have been a winner if only I could have harnessed the winning runs,of which there were many.
I only bet 5 (neighbours) numbers each side of last spun. . ie 10 units. But this could have been extended to ten each side which would then have had similarities to your system.
I found it easier to use neighbour betting than putting numerous bets on the main layout.
This was a real tricky session, "Good" because the weakness of this strategy was obvious.
I reached my wingoal +200 in 54 spins (live at DB) I started with 8200 (see pic)
WWWWWWWWWLLLWLWLWLWLWLWWWWWWLWWLLLWLWLWWWWWWWLWWLLLWWW
Now this W/L looks good. In reality this is not true, because ~50% of the winnings is hits on doublestreets, and that is in reality a loss. Furthermore, hits on streets and corners do not give much (or any profit) That's is also many hits. So, I didn't lose, it's a slow method/strategy, and I would say it involves more risk than i thought: I reached progression 9 units. No good sign. Well, I use +1/-2 progression +1 if a doublestreet hit OR loss. -2 only if a singlenumber or a split hits. -1 if a street or a corner hits.
Quote from: rolf-harris on Feb 05, 03:17 PM 2013
Ignatus,If you would care to read my post on the Bet Selection forum entitled. "Was I Just Lucky. . Or What?" then you will find that I was trying a method similar to this.
The Idea of betteng a certain area or sectors at either side of the last number spun.
Always only on a live wheel.
Initially. I had great results as you have had but eventually the bad runs came and I lost faith in it to some extent.
But I reckon it could have been a winner if only I could have harnessed the winning runs,of which there were many.
I only bet 5 (neighbours) numbers each side of last spun. . ie 10 units. But this could have been extended to ten each side which would then have had similarities to your system.
I found it easier to use neighbour betting than putting numerous bets on the main layout.
Ok interesting, yes I agree beginning lucky then the weakness of the system become obvious... Not sure how to perfect this wheel based strategies, perhaps Sam is on the right track ....
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 05, 03:18 PM 2013
I would say it involves more risk than i thought: I reached progression 9 units. No good sign.
Thought you learned the lesson of steep progressions on tons of numbers?
Ignatus...if this is your path...I urge you to consider testing by tracking actual pockets away from the previous hit. You will be able to put it on a spreadsheet after you compile thousands of spins and then a very simple bar chart will show you if there are any opportunities that stick out. (clustering x amount of spaces away from your originating number) Plus by using actual pocket distances you can always backtrack into 3,4,6 or whatever size sectors you want to look at if you insist on betting huge sectors without doing any additional work. Testing in 6 number groups does not allow you to break it down if say your sweet spot is 4-9 pockets away.
Just sayin' You haven't listened thus far so I'm not anticipating a positive outcome here...it will help with your testing. It cannot hurt your testing. Something to think about...upside with no downside. If this were a bet you should take it every single time.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Feb 05, 03:28 PM 2013
Thought you learned the lesson of steep progressions on tons of numbers?
Ignatus...if this is your path...I urge you to consider testing by tracking actual pockets away from the previous hit. You will be able to put it on a spreadsheet after you compile thousands of spins and then a very simple bar chart will show you if there are any opportunities that stick out. (clustering x amount of spaces away from your originating number) Plus by using actual pocket distances you can always backtrack into 3,4,6 or whatever size sectors you want to look at if you insist on betting huge sectors without doing any additional work. Testing in 6 number groups does not allow you to break it down if say your sweet spot is 4-9 pockets away.
Just sayin' You haven't listened thus far so I'm not anticipating a positive outcome here...it will help with your testing. It cannot hurt your testing. Something to think about...upside with no downside. If this were a bet you should take it every single time.
I am grateful for your ideas and opinions rouletteKEY. The wheel based strategies need to be perfected. I've done a few with minor success (or failure?) No simple strategy can work in the long run, that's what I believe. I must do more thinking, more statistics, more reseach, yes. It's some work. But I'm not giving up so easy! ;D
Thanks
Quote from: ignatus on Feb 05, 03:22 PM 2013
perhaps Sam is on the right track ....
For the past three days Stef and I have been perfecting his and Nick's bot. I did the complaining and Stef did the fixing. I will make some very interesting videos.
But as to the Normy software, I will make some movies with pause so you will not have to wait all day for a bet.
I think you will be impressed.
sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 05, 03:39 PM 2013
For the past three days Stef and I have been perfecting his and Nick's bot. I did the complaining and Stef did the fixing. I will make some very interesting videos.
But as to the Normy software, I will make some movies with pause so you will not have to wait all day for a bet.
I think you will be impressed.
sam
That's great sam. Wish you luck! :)
Now add this strategy to the pile of my failed strategies? Can't believe people winning flatbetting the 123-move strategy! ;D I had great faith in it until i lost... Same with this one. (haven't lost yet...) Anyway, I'm not so sure if it's so good as it looks anymore? It was meant for notepad, but I posted it wrong. lol
Just because you lose on a strategy doesn't make the strategy a loser. You might just need another try or two.
Good luck to you!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 05, 05:26 PM 2013
Just because you lose on a strategy doesn't make the strategy a loser. You might just need another try or two.
Good luck to you!
Sam
Thanks :) Well, I have done much today. Enough for one day. I'm reading proofreaders massive list of systems.. very interesting
Ignatus,
can you check if these are the right numbers to bet ?!?
Even if they should be splits, Streeets, Corners....
Just want to know if these are the numbers....
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 05, 07:03 PM 2013
Ignatus,
can you check if these are the right numbers to bet ?!?
Even if they should be splits, Streeets, Corners....
Just want to know if these are the numbers....
Ray
Seems to be correct (I only checked one) But you can doublecheck from the numbers I used when making this strategy: (Number 1-6 counted clockwise from zero, six sections of the wheel) What are your plans? Playing 24 single numbers?? ;)
1: 0,2,4,15,19,21,32
2: 6,13,17,25,27,34
3: 8,10,11,23,30,36
4: 1,5,16,20,24,33
5: 9,14,18,22,29,31
6: 3,7,12,26,28,35
1= 6,13,17,25,27,34 3,7,12,26,28,35 9,14,18,22,29,31 8,10,11,23,30,36
1= Number 31 Splits 3/6, 13/14, 17/18, 22/23 Street 34/36 Doublestreet 7/12, 25/30
2= 0,2,4,15,19,21,32 8,10,11,23,30,36 1,5,16,20,24,33 3,7,12,26,28,35
2= Numbers 15,26,28,30 Split 16/19 Street 10/12 Corners 0/3, 4/8, 20/24, 32/36
3= 6,13,17,25,27,34 1,5,16,20,24,33 0,2,4,15,19,21,32 9,14,18,22,29,31
3= Numbers 0,29,34 Splits 6/9, 22/25, 24/27 Street 19/21, 31/33 Corner 1/5 Doublestreet 13/18
4= 8,10,11,23,30,36 9,14,18,22,29,31 3,7,12,26,28,35 6,13,17,25,27,34
4= Number 31 Splits 3/6, 13/14, 17/18, 22/23 Street 34/36 Doublestreets 7/12, 25/30
5= 3,7,12,26,28,35 1,5,16,20,24,33 0,2,4,15,19,21,32 8,10,11,23,30,36
5= Numbers 15,26,28,30 Split 16/19 Street 10/12 Corners 0/3, 4/8, 20/24, 32/36
6= 0,2,4,15,19,21,32 9,14,18,22,29,31 6,13,17,25,27,34 1,5,16,20,24,33
6= Numbers 0,29,34 Splits 6/9, 22/25, 24/27 Streets 19/21, 31/33 Corner 1/5
OK, add the strategy to my bot.
For now i bet all number straight, but the test is just about the hit rate.
Which it better as wheel dozen.
Dont look at the balance, no correct progression used.
For 9000 spins, 383 live sessions
So over 1/3 of the bets hit at the first spin.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Feb 06, 07:55 AM 2013
OK, add the strategy to my bot.
For now i bet all number straight, but the test is just about the hit rate.
Which it better as wheel dozen.
don't look at the balance, no correct progression used.
For 9000 spins, 383 live sessions
So over 1/3 of the bets hit at the first spin.
Great news, it's better hitrate than 123 move, yes. That's what I figured also. Thinking now perhaps playing splits and singlenumbers only, it will be more numbers, but since hitrate is not bad it would be possible. Stoploss after at 2-3 spins with +1 progression etc
Thanks
The new bets will be with splits and singlenumbers only, it will be between 12-14 numbers bet. Not sure how it would work playing this, because splits will give only 4-6 unit profit in this case. So, to recover from one loss 2-3 wins is required? With progression 1-2 wins... On the other hand hitrate is pretty high. IT will be a slow method to play, perhaps.
But remember my W/L ratio (from DB and livespins):
LWWWLWWLWWWWWLLLWLLWLWWLWWLLWWWLWWLWWWLWWWWWWWWLWLWLLWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWLWWLLWWWLWWWLWLLWWLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWLLWLWWLWWLWWLLWWLWWWWLWWLWLWLLWWWLWWLLWWLLWWLWWLLLWLWWLWWWWWLLWLWWLLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWL
We'll see. I'm working on a new tracker.
New tracker made for singlenumbers and splits only. (Bets are 12-14u)
Haven't checked all numbers, but it should be correct
Anyway, I will test this now, play to +200u. Stoploss after 2 losses, +1 progression.
3 minor errors fixed. (don't use the other tracker!) sry about that! :S
Was it error in the tracker of error in the numbers to bet?
Test on DB, 378 spins for 100 unit profit, using progression 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,31 all straight bets
Hi,i have just played a very short session with help of the tracker, i played 19 spins at unibet with rng, the money i played was with 0.1 Euros, i won 6 Euro.
18 wins and 1 loss.
So far very good!
I will keep on testing this!
cheers agesta
Quote from: agesta on Feb 06, 01:42 PM 2013
Hi,i have just played a very short session with help of the tracker, i played 19 spins at unibet with rng, the money i played was with 0.1 Euros, i won 6 Euro.
18 wins and 1 loss.
So far very good!
I will keep on testing this!
cheers agesta
Nice!! ;D
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Feb 06, 01:42 PM 2013
Test on DB, 378 spins for 100 unit profit, using progression 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,31 all straight bets
But only took 100 spins to loss it again...
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Feb 06, 03:53 PM 2013
But only took 100 spins to loss it again...
Ok, well, I use the +1 progresssion, ...these wheel strategies need to be perfected.
Thanks for testing
Hi Girls,
Progression is a killer! Don't do it! Fools gold!
Just saying ;)
Hey Ignatus, funny how you always look to a new system even time you bust out of your last one.