"VdW"

[RouletteGhost]

[Turner]

Tomola....I made comments im here...what were your views on what I said

See...RTM...is same. Very complex and clever and all that...but as with VdW (which is a statement really not a formula) it always seems to boil down to a decision. Usually 50:50.
VdW: Is the next colour the AP. RTM: Is the SD going to keep rising...or hover...or fall

[Tomla021]

im not even sure Turner ---thats why im asking
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waerden's_theorem

[Priyanka]

im not even sure Turner ---thats why im asking
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waerden's_theorem

Tomla - turner is right. 

[Turner]

Tomola
As far as I can see there will be at least 1 AP in 9 logic states....0 1 or in the case of non zero roulette...RB
But...I dont see any predictive use.
No one has shown one but one person has suggested there is
Smoke and mirrors

[Priyanka]

if you genuinely want to show the way why not just do it without the drip-feed and riddles?

Bayes - I take tha cue.  And from others as well like turner.  If it's not going down well, I don't want to. To be honest all I wanted to do was make people think in a different direction and my job is done. It's for people to decide whether to go that way or not.  No more Riddles, not more drip feeding.  All good

[Tomla021]

thanks Turner and Pryanka

now is there any predictive advantage in  in that? Or must it be combined with other knowledge?

[MoneyT101]

Tomla021,

I'm not sure if your a believer of GUT from Winkel..  Remember how he explained it and no one really could understand it until they started trying it out for themselves.

Read the first two pages of Random Thoughts explaining VDW and page 2 even goes through a session.  Very important session teaches you how to apply it. ( just focus on R/B for now)

I Went through 100 spins using the same way played and I started to notice some way to apply it.

[Priyanka]

thanks Turner and Pryanka

now is there any predictive advantage in  in that? Or must it be combined with other knowledge?

Tomla - there will not be any predictive advantage.  The advantage there is knowing that in random everything is defined not in "equal to" but "at least".  Vdw says there will be at least one AP, which just means there will definitely be one and there could be more.  There is no direct applicability that am aware of. Falkor and money claim that there is one. I urge you to use your own predicament.

[ego]

I don't belive in this VDM thing, i trusth that each outcome is 50/50 no matter what has happen in the past even if you can caculate odds and probability for each bet.
I mean the dealer throw the 18 mm ivorine ball and will spinning 18 to 28 laps on the ball track in the same time as the rotor moves with its own speed and waiting is 8 deflectors and 37 pockets where the ball will land and stop after hitting randomly on one of the deflectors to jump and randomly hit the rotor to randomly scatter around on the number ring Before stopping in 1 in 37 pockets.

So what does all this math means in reality when you betting, nothing.
You see six reds and it will take 98.5% for it happen again, and it does and who say you will win between does events not falling back to back.
Same with regression towards the mean and autocorrelation where each serie can or will not let you ride the Waves between the extremes.
So what MM is going to save you?

[MoneyT101]

Tomla - there will not be any predictive advantage.  The advantage there is knowing that in random everything is defined not in "equal to" but "at least".  Vdw says there will be at least one AP, which just means there will definitely be one and there could be more.  There is no direct applicability that am aware of. Falkor and money claim that there is one. I urge you to use your own predicament.

sorry for the confusion, Pri is right....

[Tomla021]

no confusion at all!!! I think all of the replys brought some knowledge.....Thanks for all of the replys----more are welcome

[The General]

Here's the problem:

Right off, anyone with some common sense should be able to look at the VdW and realize that it's utter nonsense when it's applie to roulette.  However, what's scary is that some people, actually don't know any better.  The forum desperately needs an area where people can learn some basic facts and probability about the game.

[Tomla021]

General a question for you? what is VdW?

[RouletteGhost]

Here's the problem:

Right off, anyone with some common sense should be able to look at the VdW and realize that it's utter nonsense when it's applie to roulette.  However, what's scary is that some people, actually don't know any better.

K

Thanks for helping

Guess your job is done here now

Everyone please refrain from anything that is not vb