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I have been thinking intently on progressions.  I have come to the conclusion, for now anyway, that  a very safe progression is the "Bread Winner's Progression".  This is a very simple, slow progression that seems to work if you have the patience and bank to hang in there during the really bad sequences.

Many of you know it, but for those who don't, here it is.  Bet 1 unit until you either reach your win target or the game wins 5 more times than you do.  You will be at -5 units.  Now go to betting 2 units until you recover your 5 lost units, then go back to betting 1 unit.

If the game  reaches another 5 wins at 2 units, go to betting 3 units per spin until you recover what you lost at 2 units at which time you drop down to betting 2 units until you rocover everything you lost at 1 unit and start over.

There are a variety of ways to keep track of where you are in the progression.

I think it's important to remember that you always cross off the highest number you have lost.

If that number is a 4 and you are betting 5 units.  When you win 5 units, you cross off 2 4's and add a  3  to be cancelled.  In other words, you don't cross off a 4 and a 1 as this will make the system less effective.  It's not the end of the world, just a little less pure.

This can be adapted to any bet on the board.

It can be made safer or less safe by varying the number of losses before going up on the bet size.

Losing 5 before going up 1 unit in bet size is a real grind (not much more than a flat bet) but with patience, you can win 5 or 10 units per day.  With large enough units, that can be a nice second income.

Of course you need a pretty hefty bank to make sure you don't go broke before the tide turns to your favor, but sooner or later it will.

You can read about this system in the Monte Carlo Anecdotes.  The author suggests that 2000 units bank should be enough to ride through the worst streak, almost.  (There's always a possiblilty of the streak from hell).

Has anyone tried this and found it to be ineffective?

Any and all thoughts will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

George

Thanks for sharing that with us George !

Ive not heard of that one before  :o

Crumbs...that's a good one.

Thank you.

Hi GLC,

Thanks bringing this progression to my attention.

I did a google search and found the ebook, it was published in 1910!

The Bread-Winner System can be found on page 160.

hxxp: openlibrary. org/books/OL7062227M/Monte_Carlo_anecdotes_and_systems_of_play

Once again Thanks

malcop

Here is the link to that page


link:://:.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/160/mode/2up (link:://:.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/160/mode/2up)

What do you guys think after reading up on it.

Looks like it can be adapted to all the bets.

I'm trying to imagine what kind of losing streak you would have to have for it not to work eventually.

It is certainly a grinder's paradise.

But if it can grind out a few units each day, may be worth the time.

Flatino's en prison tables would be the best place to play.

Or maybe Betvoyager's none zero game.

Other progressions may be faster, but I can't see how they could be safer.

We could tweak it to suit our personal level of risk.

I was considering this progression:  1-2-4-5-5-5-6-6-6-6-7-7-7-7-7-8-8-8-8-8-9-9-9-9-9-10-10-10-10-10-, etc...
for quicker unit wins up front and slow down going into the hole on a real down-turn.

That's a 216 unit loss if you lose on the 5th 10 unit bet.  But we have to have a stop loss somewhere.

Of course, if we get serious we could go so far as the author of the system and have a 2000 unit stop loss.

Could it ever go that far?

Probably.  A better scenario would be to have 5 separate 400 unit banks.

Just thinking out loud.

G

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Here is the link to that page


hxxp: :. archive. org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/160/mode/2up

Thanks Twisteruk  :)

Quote from: GLC link=topic=1554. msg14084#msg14084 date=1286221803
What do you guys think after reading up on it.

Looks like it can be adapted to all the bets.

I'm trying to imagine what kind of losing streak you would have to have for it not to work eventually.

It is certainly a grinder's paradise.

But if it can grind out a few units each day, may be worth the time.

F_LAT_INO's en prison tables would be the best place to play.

Or maybe Betvoyager's none zero game.

Other progressions may be faster, but I can't see how they could be safer.

We could tweak it to suit our personal level of risk.

I was considering this progression:  1-2-4-5-5-5-6-6-6-6-7-7-7-7-7-8-8-8-8-8-9-9-9-9-9-10-10-10-10-10-, etc. . .
for quicker unit wins up front and slow down going into the hole on a real down-turn.

That's a 216 unit loss if you lose on the 5th 10 unit bet.   But we have to have a stop-loss somewhere. 

Of course, if we get serious we could go so far as the author of the system and have a 2000 unit stop-loss.

Could it ever go that far?

Probably.   A better scenario would be to have 5 separate 400 unit banks.

Just thinking out loud.

G

Hi GLC,

I will know more about stop-losses ect.  after I try it out with a Bet Selection method I'm working on.

Thanks

Malcop

Hi All,

I played a Roulette session using the "Bread Winner" progression.

I had a high of +17 and ended the session at -27 at spin 197.

For me if I was to use this progression I would use a hit and run style of play.

I would set a target of +10 per session and use a buy-in of 30 units.

Make my +10 or lose no more than 30 units either way exit the table.

Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Oct 05, 12:34 AM 2010
Hi All,

I played a Roulette session using the "Bread Winner" progression.

I had a high of +17 and ended the session at -27 at spin 197.

For me if I was to use this progression I would use a hit and run style of play.

I would set a target of +10 per session and use a buy-in of 30 units.

Make my +10 or lose no more than 30 units either way exit the table.

Thanks

malcop

Malcop,

Thanks for the test and post.

It didn't end so well, but I did some analysis of your session.

You had exactly 99 wins and 100 loses.

Flatbetting you would have lost 1 unit.

What made it a losing session is that you lost 31 and won 19 of the last 50 bets.

You were even moneywise at spin 194 and then lost the next 5 bets to put you at -27 and then ended the session.

I think that anytime we are betting  more than 2 or 3 units and reach zero down, it's probably a good time to just start over at 1 unit.

I think you are right, a win target of 5 or 10 units is probably realistic.

You could take a break and then come back for another session.

Maybe play virtual until you get behind on wins by 5, 10 or even 15 bets and then start playing at 1 unit expecting a come-back.

It should recover most of the time and put you in the profit.

Really, I've tested much worse loss to win sessions and still came back to win 5 units.

Once again, thanks for your input.  I'm far from discouraged with your results.

GLC

Quote from: GLC on Oct 05, 12:03 PM 2010
Malcop,

Thanks for the test and post.

It didn't end so well, but I did some analysis of your session.

You had exactly 99 wins and 100 loses.

Flatbetting you would have lost 1 unit.

What made it a losing session is that you lost 31 and won 19 of the last 50 bets.

You were even moneywise at spin 194 and then lost the next 5 bets to put you at -27 and then ended the session.

I think that anytime we are betting  more than 2 or 3 units and reach zero down, it's probably a good time to just start over at 1 unit.

I think you are right, a win target of 5 or 10 units is probably realistic.

You could take a break and then come back for another session.

Maybe play virtual until you get behind on wins by 5, 10 or even 15 bets and then start playing at 1 unit expecting a come-back.

It should recover most of the time and put you in the profit.

Really, I've tested much worse loss to win sessions and still came back to win 5 units.

Once again, thanks for your input.  I'm far from discouraged with your results.

GLC

Hi GLC,

The Bet Selection method I use normaly does well just flat betting, like any BS you have your streaks of losses and wins.

I have posted the Bet Selection method I have been using for a while over on EC thread.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/how-you-play-ec%27s/msg14159/#new (link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/how-you-play-ec%27s/msg14159/#new)  - Reply 20

These are the BS & MM rules I have been using with the "Breadwinner Progression" the my Bet Selections.

So far today my sessions have ended: +5, +5, +7, +15, +15

Just waiting for my losing session  :)

I have attached a PDF with my MM rules for a 30 unit buy-in and a MM Tool I use when I play online wether live or RNG.

The tool is vere easy to use just enter your current Casino balance and your base bet.  And it will work the rest out for you.   If you read the PDF document first it will all become cleare to you.

Thanks

malcop

I have been testing this progression and it can really be a grind.  Once you get very far in the hole, it's a chore to get out.

Of course we knew that.

It's just easier to 'say' and accept it than to 'play' and accept it.

GLC

Hi

Yes I agree this progression can be a bit of a grind.

As a change I thought I would play a bit of Blackjack, and I used the Bread Winner progression

I still used the 30 unit buy-in and the MM rules I posted, and I was surprised to see how well it worked.

I have only played 3 sessions so far and I'm up +42 units.

One thing you must play good basic strategy, and to protect your bankroll only ever split or double down once.

Also if you lose to a double down or a split then treat that as two bets, and record that loss as if you had two single losses, the reverse is true threat double down or split wins as two separate wins.

For so far using the Bread-Winner progression and My MM rules, I'm up 42 units.

I know this forum is for Roulette but just thought I would share my findings.


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UPDATE: Five sessions played up +64 units

Thanks

Malcop

Quote from: malcop on Oct 05, 12:32 PM 2010
I have posted the Bet Selection method I have been using for a while over on EC thread.

Thanks

malcop

Malcop,

I really like your bet selection method.  I have been testing it and have had excellent results with it.'

So much that I have created a variation on F_LAT_INO's Random VS Random system.

I use 3 lines of bets just like he does.

1st line is the penultimate.

2nd line is 'same as the last'.

3rd line is your bet selection method instead of 'opposite the last'.

I have a couple of other tweaks.  If I lose 3 times in a row betting the penultimate, I switch to betting "opposite the penultimate" until I lose 3 times in a row then I switch back to betting the penultimate.  I continue switching everytime I lose 3 in a row.

Also, if I lose 3 times in a row betting the last, I switch to betting "opposite the last" until I lose 3 times in a row when I switch back, etc...

I always bet your bet selection line exactly as you presented it because it adjusts automatically for streaks or chops:

RRR next bet R
RRB next bet B
RBB next bet R
RBR next bet B
BBB next bet B
BRR next bet B
BBR next bet R
BRB next bet R

I bet 1 unit on all three lines until I lose 5 more times than I win at which time I go to 2 units until I lose 5 times more than I win, etc...  Just like breadwinner's system.

When I say lose 5 more times than win, that means lose at least 2 of the 3 lines so that we have a negative result on that bet for 5 more times than we win 2 of the 3 lines which gives us a positive result.  If we lose all three lines, that counts as 3 losses.  And, if we win all 3 lines that counts as 3 wins.

(To be honest, I have been doing so well that I have tested a couple of sessions flatbetting 1 unit on all 3 lines and have been doing surprisingly well.)

I use the tweaks so I don't get caught losing units on a deadly streak of doublets on the penultimate or a series of chops on "the last".

So far it has been working so well that I rarely have to go beyond the 3rd level in the progression.  I know that will change soon enough, but maybe not too soon.

It's complicated, but with just a little practice you can make the calculations and bets easily.  Of course always bet differentially unless you're playing on a nonzero table.

Please look at it and let me know what you think.

Thanks,

George

PS:  I like the idea of using the breadwinner on BJ.  Never thought of that, but winning is the name of the game whether with roulette or BJ or even baccarat and craps.
This triple line system can be used on any of them except BJ.

Quote from: GLC on Oct 07, 12:45 AM 2010
Malcop,

I really like your bet selection method.  I have been testing it and have had excellent results with it.'

So much that I have created a variation on F_LAT_INO's Random VS Random system.

I use 3 lines of bets just like he does.

1st line is the penultimate.

2nd line is 'same as the last'.

3rd line is your bet selection method instead of 'opposite the last'.

I have a couple of other tweaks.  If I lose 3 times in a row betting the penultimate, I switch to betting "opposite the penultimate" until I lose 3 times in a row then I switch back to betting the penultimate.  I continue switching everytime I lose 3 in a row.

Also, if I lose 3 times in a row betting the last, I switch to betting "opposite the last" until I lose 3 times in a row when I switch back, etc...

I always bet your bet selection line exactly as you presented it because it adjusts automatically for streaks or chops:

RRR next bet R
RRB next bet B
RBB next bet R
RBR next bet B
BBB next bet B
BRR next bet B
BBR next bet R
BRB next bet R

I bet 1 unit on all three lines until I lose 5 more times than I win at which time I go to 2 units until I lose 5 times more than I win, etc...  Just like breadwinner's system.

When I say lose 5 more times, that means lose at least 2 of the 3 bets so that we have a negative result on that bet for 5 more times than we win 2 of the 3 bets which gives us a positive result.

I use the tweaks so I don't get caught losing units on a deadly streak of doublets on the penultimate or a series of chops on "the last".

So far it has been working so well that I rarely have to go beyond the 2nd level in the progression.  I know that will change soon enough, but maybe not too often.

It's complicated, but with just a little practice you can make the calculations and bets easily.  Of course always bet differentially unless you're playing on a nonzero table.

Please look at it and let me know what you think.

Thanks,

George

PS:  I like the idea of using the breadwinner on BJ.  Never thought of that, but winning is the name of the game whether with roulette or BJ or even baccarat and craps.
This triple line system can be used on any of them except BJ.

Hi GLC,

That's funny you thinking about betting in three's look at the attached document, I thought about a similar idea a couple of weeks ago, first with TB4L+OTB4L and then with the four triggers I posted.

I like the triggers based on the last three hands/spins and if it was won by TB4L or OTB4L then betting for the same to happen next hand, I'm sure someone else must have thought of them before.

Have a look and let me know what you think.

Thanks

malcop

Malcop,

Looks very interesting.

I will look at it in more detail tomorrow.  I have retire for the night because I am still a working stiff and it's getting late here.

Cheers, and keep up the good work

George

Quote from: GLC on Oct 07, 01:06 AM 2010
Malcop,

Looks very interesting.

I will look at it in more detail tomorrow.  I have retire for the night because I am still a working stiff and it's getting late here.

Cheers, and keep up the good work

George

Hi GLC,

One thing I did not put in the PDF document, is what to do if using my idea on Roulette and a zero comes up.

If you get a zero then as far as the progression it never happened, of course a zero will effect your balance.

Look at this example we are at level 2 and we are in M1 mode betting the triggers:

BW BL 0 RW

We had a zero on the third bet so we put our bet back up again and win, now based of the rules we will need to decide if we drop down one our we have a new session high, if we drop because we had two trigger bets win out of 3 then we will not change modes.


Hope this makes sense.

Thanks

Malcop

Hi All,

Attached to this post you will find a Roulette session I played as per the rules I posted in a PDF.

I ended the session at +13.5

One rule change I think I will make is that whenever I reach a new high, reset back to level 1, no need to complete the group of three bets.

And the progression only starts on on a loss, for example we start the session with 4 wins a a row like so WWWW but on the fifth bet we get a loss L, now we start our group of three.

I play a session and post it so that you can all see what I'm talking about.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

As promised in my last post I have played a session as described.

Remember M1 = Bet with the Trigger, M2 = Bet Opposite to the Trigger.

I only start a new block of 3 bets after my first loss at level 1.

As soon as I get a new session high highlighted in green I drop back down to level one.

I played this session just with a stop-loss of 30 units, I did not use the MM rules, but normally I would.

One more thing when I post these are real sessions played not test/play sessions.

I have also attached master scorecards that I use for Baccarat and Roulette

If you have any questions please just ask.

Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Oct 07, 12:57 AM 2010
Hi GLC,

That's funny you thinking about betting in three's look at the attached document, I thought about a similar idea a couple of weeks ago, first with TB4L+OTB4L and then with the four triggers I posted.

I like the triggers based on the last three hands/spins and if it was won by TB4L or OTB4L then betting for the same to happen next hand, I'm sure someone else must have thought of them before.

Have a look and let me know what you think.

Thanks

malcop

MC,

Looks like an orderly way to present a playing strategy.  Your trigger mode is a little hard to understand, but by looking at everything you've posted, it becomes clear.

This isn't too different from the 5 series.  A little more aggressive so a little less of a grind.

Although, with patience you can grind up a lot of hamburger.

GLC

Hi GLC.

If you want any help with the triggers ect. just ask.

Their is no reason why we could not play in groups of 5, it would be a little bit slower but a profit is a profit.

I will play a session using groups of 5 later, if I can get it to produce around +10 units within 80 spins it will be worth it.

Thanks

Malcop

Quote from: GLC on Oct 07, 12:45 AM 2010
Malcop,

I really like your bet selection method.  I have been testing it and have had excellent results with it.'

So much that I have created a variation on F_LAT_INO's Random VS Random system.

I use 3 lines of bets just like he does.

1st line is the penultimate.

2nd line is 'same as the last'.

3rd line is your bet selection method instead of 'opposite the last'.

I have a couple of other tweaks.  If I lose 3 times in a row betting the penultimate, I switch to betting "opposite the penultimate" until I lose 3 times in a row then I switch back to betting the penultimate.  I continue switching everytime I lose 3 in a row.

Also, if I lose 3 times in a row betting the last, I switch to betting "opposite the last" until I lose 3 times in a row when I switch back, etc...

I always bet your bet selection line exactly as you presented it because it adjusts automatically for streaks or chops:

RRR next bet R
RRB next bet B
RBB next bet R
RBR next bet B
BBB next bet B
BRR next bet B
BBR next bet R
BRB next bet R

I bet 1 unit on all three lines until I lose 5 more times than I win at which time I go to 2 units until I lose 5 times more than I win, etc...  Just like breadwinner's system.

When I say lose 5 more times than win, that means lose at least 2 of the 3 lines so that we have a negative result on that bet for 5 more times than we win 2 of the 3 lines which gives us a positive result.  If we lose all three lines, that counts as 3 losses.  And, if we win all 3 lines that counts as 3 wins.

(To be honest, I have been doing so well that I have tested a couple of sessions flatbetting 1 unit on all 3 lines and have been doing surprisingly well.)

I use the tweaks so I don't get caught losing units on a deadly streak of doublets on the penultimate or a series of chops on "the last".

So far it has been working so well that I rarely have to go beyond the 3rd level in the progression.  I know that will change soon enough, but maybe not too soon.

It's complicated, but with just a little practice you can make the calculations and bets easily.  Of course always bet differentially unless you're playing on a nonzero table.

Please look at it and let me know what you think.

Thanks,

George

PS:  I like the idea of using the breadwinner on BJ.  Never thought of that, but winning is the name of the game whether with roulette or BJ or even baccarat and craps.
This triple line system can be used on any of them except BJ.

After further testing, this isn't much different than other multiple line systems.

It does do pretty well betting the same unit amount on each of the 3 lines and increasing or decreasing as a group instead of individually.

I think I will examine your 3 bet system next.

GLC

Hi All,

As promised in my last post I said I was going to use groups of 5 instead of 3.

I ended the session at +20 units.

I thought using blocks 5 would make the play a grind, but that was not the case.

I think I like this way more than using groups of 3.

Notice at spin 51 I had a high of +17 and then by spin 62 it had gone down to +4.5

Normally I would never have allowed that I would have used the MM rules I posted to put the breaks on.

I believe once you are ahead try as hard as you can to stay ahead.

So as a recap all I have done is extend the from 3 to 5 groups of bets before I decide what action to take as per the rules of this method.

I have played and posted three sessions using the triggers with this method.

Sessions ended +13.5, +20.5, +20 = +54

Thanks

malcop

MC,

I take it you are using your tb4l or otb4l for bet triggers.

Excellent results.

Seems very safe.

I especially like your MM rules.

Look at Bayes' post under bet selection.

I might try it with your betting grid and see how it performs.

GLC

Quote from: GLC on Oct 07, 05:27 PM 2010
MC,

I take it you are using your tb4l or otb4l for bet triggers.

Excellent results.

Seems very safe.

I especially like your MM rules.

Look at Bayes' post under bet selection.

I might try it with your betting grid and see how it performs.

GLC

Hi GLC,

Yes I using the same four triggers

M1 Triggers
BBB bet B
BBR bet R
BRB bet R
BRR bet B

M2 Triggers
BBB bet R
BBR bet B
BRB bet B
BRR bet R

The M2 Triggers are just the opposite of the normal M1 Triggers, so all you have to remember is what your normal triggers should be.

Thanks

Malcop

Nice thread  ::)

Hey Guys,

Go to link:://baccaratforums.com/t6608/ (link:://baccaratforums.com/t6608/) and read Eirescott's BP system.  I think you'll find it very interesting.

Cheers,

George

Quote from: GLC on Oct 07, 10:00 PM 2010
Hey Guys,

Go to link:://baccaratforums.com/t6608/ (link:://baccaratforums.com/t6608/) and read Eirescott's BP system.  I think you'll find it very interesting.

Cheers,

George

Hi GLC,

I just had a quick look at Eirescott's BP system yes he is using the last three like I am for my triggers but he is using it very differently to me.

I based my triggers on if the last hand/spin was a win for TB4L or OTB4L then bet the same again.

BBB TB4L won and we are going to bet B that TB4L wins again
BRB TB4L won and we are going to bet R that TB4L wins again
BRR OTB4L won and we are going to bet B that OTB4L wins again
BBR OTB4L won and we are going to bet R that OTB4L wins again

So yes we are using the same patterns from the last three results, but in totally different ways.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Here is another session played using groups of fives, it was a tough session that ended +12.5

I will now start to use my MM rules, I would have ended the session at spin 61 with +5.1 at that point I knew I had a winning session, I played on and risked losing it all, I ended +12.5 but that was pure luck.

I think groups of 5 work but for me it just takes to long to switch modes, so I would rather use groups of three.

One more thing I'm thinking of is this, once you get to +5 keep a track of your balance, if you hit any figure 3 times exit the session.

For example you get to +5 and as the game goes on your balance goes up and down, you notice that you hit twice now you are waiting for it to hit for the third time and it does so you exit the session.

My last session spin 41 was such a case +6.5 hit three times so I could have exited the session.


Thanks

malcop

Malcop,
   There is no attachment ???

Quote from: dennisbelle on Oct 08, 12:14 PM 2010
Malcop,
   There is no attachment ???

Oops :-[

Another progression:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/pluscoup-progression/msg14653/#new (link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/pluscoup-progression/msg14653/#new)

G.

I really like this bread winner progression.  It makes you go on for a long time with a good slow profit builing up, but I keep getting killed when entering a long period of misses. 

I have tried to put in some stoplosses but I reach the stoplosses very often and I keep thinking if I could have made the session into profit if I just kept going. . . .

Quote from: GamblerMickey on Oct 20, 09:08 AM 2010
I really like this bread winner progression.  It makes you go on for a long time with a good slow profit builing up, but I keep getting killed when entering a long period of misses.  

I have tried to put in some stoplosses but I reach the stoplosses very often and I keep thinking if I could have made the session into profit if I just kept going. . . .

Hi GamblerMickey

I saw your post and thought I would share with you how I handle the dilemma you have with deciding on the correct stop-loss, when to quit ect.

When I try out a new progression I would play as many sessions as I could just to determine what the maximum draw-down was, when I say draw-down I'm talking about the lowest point in a session so for example if lowest draw-down I had in a session was -34 using the current progression then I would double that amount and in the above example I would just round up the -34 to something like 70 or 80 units.

You have to decide how far you want to go so if a majority of the test sessions you found that the maximum draw-down was around the -34 range but one or two sessions you had draw-downs in in the range of -50 or -60 then you would have to decide if you should just treat those as losing sessions our increase your session buy-in to accommodate the larger draw-down for those few sessions.

It is all a matter with what you are comfortable with, for me personally I like to keep my buy-ins to around the 30 ââ,¬â€œ 50 range.

Once I have my session buy-in I would then apply the MM rules bellow.

Stage 1: BB = Breakdown Border (Session Buy-In)
Stage 2: SBB = Stop Betting Border (Set at 15%)
Stage 3: SP = Satisfaction Point (Set at 30%)
Stage 4: IG = Initial Goal (Set at 50%)

Stage 1: Is your session buy-in you never place a bet that will take you bellow your buy-in.
Stage 2: Is your safety net, this only comes into effect once you have got to stage 3.
Stage 3: This is where you would be happy to go home with, in this case 30% of your buy-in.  Once you get to this stage you would never place a bet that would take you bellow Stage 2.
Stage 4: This is your goal, when you get here you have made 50% of your buy-in now if you decide to go on you will never place a bet that would take you bellow stage 3.

What I like about the MM rules I use is I could apply it to any type of system for example Victor's tool, that we are all eagerly waiting for recommends 150 as a session buy in.

So I will be playing to these parameters:

Stage 1: -150
Stage 2: 173
Stage 3: 195
Stage 4: 225

The above figures are based on using Ã,£150 buy-in.

I would love to say that I came up with this Idea myself, but I have adapted this from information I found in two ebooks I bought a while back, ââ,¬Å"Blackjack Millionaireââ,¬Â and ââ,¬Å"Roulette Advantage Systemââ,¬Â

Every session I play even if it is just flat bet, I use these MM rules, it has stopped me many a time from giving away my profits to the casino.
I have included a MM Tool, that I use when I play online all you have to do is enter you current Casino balance, then enter your session buy-in in units, so if just betting flat I would enter 10, and then enter base unit in monetary values, so for me I would enter Ã,£10.00.

Once you have entered the three values the tool will work out the rest for you.

If you are going to a B&M Casino you can still use the tool, before you go just enter the session buy-in in the Casino Balance and the spreadsheet will do the rest for you, you will notice that Stage 1 will show 0, Wright down the 4 stage figures and you are good to go!

I have also attached a pdf with the MM rules for 30 units, but the info in it could be applied for any session buy-in the only thing that would change is the values not the information.

One last thing, I'm from the UK so the currency is set to Ã,£, the spreadsheet is protected so you would have to un-protect the spreadsheet to make any changes the password is: password

Like I said I use these MM rules every time I play and I have noticed that my winning sessions has gone up dramatically, mainly because I no longer stay in a session longer than I should have giving back everything I just won.

It works for me and I hope it will for you to.

I hope people find this useful.

Thanks

malcop

Here's a Bread Winner variation for you

Say if you're betting dozens 1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3 (going up to the next progression if there are 3 losses out of five attempts--if there are 3 out of five wins decrease by one unit)

Same with Even Chances: 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4 (going up if there are two losses in a row or two losses out of three attempts.--if there are 2 wins out of three attempts decrease by one unit)

@Malcop

Already 10 years ago
I hope you still well in this terribly and strange world of lock down.
I was wondering if you get some times in mind to put your game on the EC's in an excel programm.
Still we all have courage and have this forum .
Thanks for the moderatot to keep this forum open
:D
Nice reggards to all members
Ludo8400

What if you use this progression on both sides. That way, a losing streak on one side still gives you a smaller but substantial win on the other side. Meaning each time you win five units on each side you collect them. Just a thought