Just starting out on this idea, so i'll use aspers live spins. Even i dont know if this will work.
Collect the 1st 12 numbers no repeats
aspers mk
33 01
02 02
18 03
12 04
13 05
29 06
25 07
04 08
26 09
15 10
21 11
20 12 so thinking along the lines of Gut no repeat yet, so if next spin is a non hit,13 straight, so 2 more spins to get to 15
08 13 straight non hit, Winkel shows this happened 3 times in 200,000 odd spins
16 14 well 14, i'd be betting the 1st 12#'s 33-2-18-12-13 -29-25-4- 26-15-21- 20, bet 12 units,12 units now 24 units
12 R win.
34 Okay we've won, so would you now sit out till 37 spins have gone and then collect the 1st 12#'s again.
9 or start again from 34.
18
30
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30
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21
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1 33 1
2 2 2
3 18 3
4 12 4
5 13 5
6 29 6
7 25 7
8 4 8
9 26 9
10 15 10
11 21 11
12 20 12
13 8 13
14 16 14
15 12 win
16 34 1
17 9 2
18 18 3
19 30 4
20 20 5
21 30
22 7 6
23 14 7
24 12 8
25 13 9
26 22 10
27 12
28 29 11
29 21 12
30 35 13
31 20 win
32 23
33 19
34 34
35 2
36 16
37 7
38 16
39 21
40 25
41 19
42 4
43 33
44 20
45 32
46 24
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RNG 180 plus spins
lad,enf-2 1.12.15
1 25 1
2 25
3 30 2
4 33 3
5 24 4
6 25
7 24
8 21 5
9 27 6
10 12 7
11 4 8
12 3 9
13 30
14 3
15 24
16 21
17 19 10
18 7 11
19 31 12
20 30 win
21 16
22 33
23 15
24 0
25 36
26 28
27 28
28 0
29 12
30 25
31 29
32 20
33 25
34 19
35 1
36 2
37 3
38 25
39 22
40 8
41 11
42 21
43 12
44 0
45 29
46 29
12
11
34
35
20
17
18
6
13
12
36
5
29
22
16
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lad,enf-2 1.12.15
1 25 1
2 25
3 30 2
4 33 3
5 24 4
6 25
7 24
8 21 5
9 27 6
10 12 7
11 4 8
12 3 9
13 30
14 3
15 24
16 21
17 19 10
18 7 11
19 31 12
20 30 win so carried on as in spin cycle 37
21 16 1
22 33 2
23 15 3
24 0 4
25 36 5
26 28 6
27 28
28 0
29 12 7
30 25 8
31 29 9
32 20 10
33 25
34 19 11
35 1 12
36 2 L
37 3 L
38 25 win win here on 1st spin of 2nd cycle, so on excel sheet thought i'd move over so see rest of 2nd
39 22 1 cycle
40 8 2
41 11 3
42 21 4
43 12 5
44 0 6
45 29 7
46 29
47 12
48 11
49 34 8
50 35 9
51 20 10
52 17 11
53 18 12
54 6 L
55 13 L
56 12 win carried on to end of 2nd cycle
57 36 1
58 5 2
59 29 3
60 22 4
61 16 5
62 3 6
63 5
64 14 7
65 7 8
66 16
67 33 9
68 28 10
69 36
70 7
71 4 11
72 13 12
73 25 L
74 29 win win on end of cycle 2 again moved over on excel sheet
75 33 1
76 11 2
77 21 3
78 1 4
79 7 5
80 28 6
81 21
82 3 7
83 13 8
84 24 9
85 16 10
86 16
87 30 11
88 13
89 0 12
90 35 L
91 5 L
92 7 win 1st win in cycle 3
93 0 1
94 34 2
95 12 3
96 33 4
97 21 5
98 31 6
99 34
100 1 7
101 16 8
102 34
103 15 9
104 13 10
105 12
106 15
107 29 11
108 28 12
109 25 L
110 17 L
111 34 win wins on end of cycle 3 seems possible to get 2 wins per cycle,again moved over on excel sheet
112 32 1
113 3 2
114 29 3
115 9 4
116 24 5
117 13 6
118 13
119 22 7
120 27 8
121 26 9
122 6 10
123 14 11
124 5 12
125 17 L
126 18 L
127 18 L
128 5 win wins but took 4 spins, but 12 can be bet with progression
129 24 1
130 22 2
131 4 3
132 12 4
133 33 5
134 0 6
135 2 7
136 9 8
137 10 9
138 21 10
139 8 11
140 15 12
141 3 L
142 29 L
143 2 win 2nd win in cycle 4,now wondered if carried on from here would we get in trouble,But up to
144 3 1 here we've just carried on whether end of cycle or not
145 13 2
146 1 3
147 30 4
148 18 5
149 30 1 started 5th cycle just to see
150 15 6 2
151 1 3
152 16 7 4
153 18 5
154 1
155 9 8 6
156 18
157 26 9 7
158 34 10 8
159 21 11 9
160 29 12 10
161 12 L 11
162 18 win looks like doesn't matter whether we wait for a cycle to end
163 2 1 12
164 34 2 win this started on spin 149 5th cycle
165 11 3 1
166 24 4 2
167 27 5 3
168 35 6 4
169 2 5
170 14 7 6
171 21 8 7
172 8 9 8
173 6 10 9
174 0 11 10
175 30 12 11
176 2 w 2nd win
177 29 1 12
178 28 2 L
179 35 3 win 2nd win in 5th cycle
180 18 4
181 5 5
182 21 6
183 24 7
184 4 8
185 23 9
186 27 10
187 8 11
188 20 12
189 4 win This win is were we just continue betting instead of waiting for the end of the cycle
190 8
191 22
These 100 spins same shop.
Just went along, not worried about what cycle of spins was in
-12 if we chickened out. Flat bet +24
Lad,enf-1 1.12.15
1 6 1
2 8 2
3 27 3
4 23 4
5 33 5
6 2 6
7 31 7
8 15 8
9 18 9
10 15
11 26 10
12 7 11
13 36 12
14 10 L
15 1 L
16 3 L
17 1 L Say we chickened out here be £ 84.00 down
18 27 win Longest yet, but could bet these 12#'s for 9 spins
19 26 1
20 30 2
21 0 3
22 14 4
23 31 5
24 9 6
25 0
26 3 7
27 8 8
28 3
29 17 9
30 18 10
31 25 11
32 23 12
33 19 L
34 0 win be +12 minus the above
35 22 1
36 35 2
37 18 3
38 6 4
39 6
40 35
41 13 5
42 30 6
43 1 7
44 9 8
45 14 9
46 18
47 28 10
48 14
49 28
50 8 11
51 36 12
52 1 win +24
53 1 1
54 29 2
55 6 3
56 34 4
57 6
58 8 5
59 7 6
60 10 7
61 34
62 34
63 19 8
64 29
65 10
66 35 9
67 14 10
68 12 11
69 19
70 25 12
71 24 L
72 9 L
73 14 win bet 12+12+24=48 return 72 +24
74 7 1
75 29 2
76 15 3
77 30 4
78 28 5
79 26 6
80 17 7
81 32 8
82 17
83 34 9
84 9 10
85 20 11
86 24 12
87 8 L
88 20 win +12
89 27 1
90 14 2
91 8 3
92 26 4
93 24 5
94 35 6
95 15 7
96 22 8
97 28 9
98 16 10
99 20 11
100 31 12
101
102
RFMAXX
I've been thinking why does this feel familiar, got it, seems to be something like Vaddi. In stead of 8 we just bet 12. would Vaddi betting the same 8 work?
How would this fair if flat bet
26 bets 312 out, return 11 wins 396 +84
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 18, 12:39 PM 2015
lad,enf-2 1.12.15
1 25 1
2 25
3 30 2
4 33 3
5 24 4
6 25
7 24
8 21 5
9 27 6
10 12 7
11 4 8
12 3 9
13 30
14 3
15 24
16 21
17 19 10
18 7 11
19 31 12
20 30 win so carried on as in spin cycle 37
21 16 1
22 33 2
23 15 3
24 0 4
25 36 5
26 28 6
27 28
28 0
29 12 7
30 25 8
31 29 9
32 20 10
33 25
34 19 11
35 1 12
36 2 L
37 3 L
38 25 win win here on 1st spin of 2nd cycle, so on excel sheet thought i'd move over so see rest of 2nd
39 22 1 cycle
40 8 2
41 11 3
42 21 4
43 12 5
44 0 6
45 29 7
46 29
47 12
48 11
49 34 8
50 35 9
51 20 10
52 17 11
53 18 12
54 6 L
55 13 L
56 12 win carried on to end of 2nd cycle
57 36 1
58 5 2
59 29 3
60 22 4
61 16 5
62 3 6
63 5
64 14 7
65 7 8
66 16
67 33 9
68 28 10
69 36
70 7
71 4 11
72 13 12
73 25 L
74 29 win win on end of cycle 2 again moved over on excel sheet
75 33 1
76 11 2
77 21 3
78 1 4
79 7 5
80 28 6
81 21
82 3 7
83 13 8
84 24 9
85 16 10
86 16
87 30 11
88 13
89 0 12
90 35 L
91 5 L
92 7 win 1st win in cycle 3
93 0 1
94 34 2
95 12 3
96 33 4
97 21 5
98 31 6
99 34
100 1 7
101 16 8
102 34
103 15 9
104 13 10
105 12
106 15
107 29 11
108 28 12
109 25 L
110 17 L
111 34 win wins on end of cycle 3 seems possible to get 2 wins per cycle,again moved over on excel sheet
112 32 1
113 3 2
114 29 3
115 9 4
116 24 5
117 13 6
118 13
119 22 7
120 27 8
121 26 9
122 6 10
123 14 11
124 5 12
125 17 L
126 18 L
127 18 L
128 5 win wins but took 4 spins, but 12 can be bet with progression
129 24 1
130 22 2
131 4 3
132 12 4
133 33 5
134 0 6
135 2 7
136 9 8
137 10 9
138 21 10
139 8 11
140 15 12
141 3 L
142 29 L
143 2 win 2nd win in cycle 4,now wondered if carried on from here would we get in trouble,But up to
144 3 1 here we've just carried on whether end of cycle or not
145 13 2
146 1 3
147 30 4
148 18 5
149 30 1 started 5th cycle just to see
150 15 6 2
151 1 3
152 16 7 4
153 18 5
154 1
155 9 8 6
156 18
157 26 9 7
158 34 10 8
159 21 11 9
160 29 12 10
161 12 L 11
162 18 win looks like doesn't matter whether we wait for a cycle to end
163 2 1 12
164 34 2 win this started on spin 149 5th cycle
165 11 3 1
166 24 4 2
167 27 5 3
168 35 6 4
169 2 5
170 14 7 6
171 21 8 7
172 8 9 8
173 6 10 9
174 0 11 10
175 30 12 11
176 2 w 2nd win
177 29 1 12
178 28 2 L
179 35 3 win 2nd win in 5th cycle
180 18 4
181 5 5
182 21 6
183 24 7
184 4 8
185 23 9
186 27 10
187 8 11
188 20 12
189 4 win This win is were we just continue betting instead of waiting for the end of the cycle
190 8
191 22
Very good. Will look more into this. Am I doing it right?
N B Information
10 1
31 2
25 3
27 4
12 5
5 6
4 7
32 8
25
16 9
10
11 10
33 11
8 12 bet 10 31 25 27 12 5 4 32 16 11 33 8
27 w +24
27 1
14 2
36 3
26 4
29 5
17 6
22 7
32 8
25 9
32
24 10
5 11
35 12 bet 27 14 36 26 29 17 22 32 25 32 24 5 35
11 l
29 w +12
3 1
36 2
2 3
36
13 4
22 5
29 6
16 7
35 8
7 9
9 10
25 11
3 12 bet 3 36 2 13 22 29 16 35 7 9 25 3
16 l
26 l
36 w +24
19 1
7 2
7
21 3
0 4
26 5
18 6
1 7
24 8
3 9
28 10
7
9 11
14 12 bet 19 7 21 0 26 18 1 24 3 28 9 14
27 l
22 l
6 l
29 l
4 l
3 w +12
13 1
1 2
22 3
14 4
31 5
17 6
24 7
10 8
9 9
4 10
22
24
13
6 11
13
25 12 bet 13 1 22 14 31 17 24 10 9 4 6 25
5 l
19 l
31 w +24
23 1
17 2
26 3
22 4
11 5
31 6
19 7
27 8
18 9
31
8 10
0 11
5 12 bet 23 17 26 22 11 31 19 27 18 31 8 0 5
16 l
15 l
25 l
2 l
8 w +24
Total: +120
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 18, 03:07 PM 2015
Very good. Will look more into this. Am I doing it right?
Hi celescliff
Yes. I'm looking at more old records, i liked the flat bet result
These numbers come from the forum.
Flat bet breaks even. bet with progression all win
1 35 1
2 26 2
3 5 3
4 12 4
5 21 5
6 8 6
7 24 7
8 11 8
9 21
10 35
11 10 9
12 30 10
13 11
14 0 11
15 0
16 4 12
17 16 L
18 20 L
19 18 L
20 27 L
21 29 L
22 21 win 6
23 34 1
24 32 2
25 30 3
26 7 4
27 1 5
28 20 6
29 9 7
30 26 8
31 30
32 8 9
33 5 10
34 29 11
35 29
36 23 12
37 22 L
38 4 L
39 35 L
40 4 L
41 34 win 5
42 26 1
43 3 2
44 24 3
45 3
46 24
47 9 4
48 14 5
49 21 6
50 19 7
51 14
52 34 8
53 18 9
54 31 10
55 19
56 18
57 13 11
58 11 12
59 14 win 1
60 20 1
61 21 2
62 32 3
63 22 4
64 9 5
65 28 6
66 35 7
67 30 8
68 36 9
69 6 10
70 10 11
71 35
72 31 12
73 31 win 1
74 14 1
75 20 2
76 24 3
77 17 4
78 27 5
79 8 6
80 21 7
81 4 8
82 35 9
83 24
84 27
85 10 10
86 17
87 11 11
88 3 12
89 16 L
90 10 win 2
91 15
92 18
93 35
94 7
95 20
96 5
97 6
98 30
99 30
100 24
101
102
This session did well, aswell. :)
Spin # Triggers W/L Information Progression 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21
1 3 1
2 23 2
3 30 3
4 10 4
5 3
6 14 5
7 18 6
8 34 7
9 3
10 20 8
11 17 9
12 11 10
13 25 11
14 14
15 21 12 Bet 3 23 30 10 14 18 34 20 17 11 25 21
16 30 W +24
17 0 1
18 9 2
19 24 3
20 15 4
21 4 5
22 8 6
23 8
24 29 7
25 32 8
26 33 9
27 4
28 24
29 35 10
30 0
31 20 11
32 30 12 Bet 0 9 24 15 4 6 29 32 33 35 20 30
33 15 W +24
34 25 1
35 29 2
36 35 3
37 0 4
38 7 5
39 13 6
40 36 7
41 30 8
42 25
43 11 9
44 8 10
45 33 11
46 7
47 22 12 Bet 25 29 35 0 7 13 36 30 11 8 33 22
48 23 L
49 22 W +12
50 28 1
51 19 2
52 31 3
53 6 4
54 18 5
55 16 6
56 12 7
57 12
58 13 8
59 35 9
60 5 10
61 13
62 28
63 18
64 9 11
65 10 12 Bet 28 19 31 6 18 16 12 13 35 5 9 10
66 4 L
67 4 L
68 30 L
69 3 L
70 8 L
71 20 L
72 16 W +12
73 12 1
74 30 2
75 31 3
76 17 4
77 36 5
78 32 6
79 5 7
80 3 8
81 26 9
82 32
83 36
84 20 10
85 4 11
86 1 12 Bet 12 30 31 17 36 32 5 3 26 20 4 1
87 23 L
88 10 L
89 34 L
90 22 L
91 29 L
92 19 L
93 18 L
94 20 W +24
95 6 1
96 33 2
97 29 3
98 19 4
99 6
100 16 5
101 36 6
102 24 7
103 25 8
104 2 9
105 14 10
106 30 11
107 31 12 Bet 6 33 29 19 16 36 24 25 2 14 30 31
108 27 L
109 32 L
110 32 L
111 14 W +24
112 18 1
113 34 2
114 17 3
115 21 4
116 23 5
117 15 6
118 33 7
119 9 8
120 17
121 30 9
122 25 10
123 5 11
124 8 12 Bet 18 34 17 21 23 15 33 9 30 25 5 8
125 19 L
126 7 L
127 30 W +24
128 31 1
129 0 2
130 16 3
131 0
132 19 4
133 19
134 26 5
135 30 6
136 24 7
137 36 8
138 16
139 5 9
140 19
141 11 10
142 3 11
143 27 12 Bet 31 0 16 19 26 30 24 36 5 11 3 27
144 17 L
145 31 W +12
146 31 1
147 7 2
148 24 3
149 29 4
150 30 5
151 27 6
152 16 7
153 4 8
154 2 9
155 5 10
156 14 11
157 28 12 Bet 31 7 24 29 30 27 16 4 2 5 14 28
158 30 W +24
159 32 1
160 21 2
161 16 3
162 2 4
163 21
164 32
165 6 5
166 2
167 22 6
168 18 7
169 13 8
170 16
171 13
172 29 9
173 32
174 24 10
175 32
176 30 11
177 22
178 13
179 33 12 Bet 32 21 16 2 6 22 18 13 29 24 30 33
180 24 W +24
181 19 1
182 4 2
183 2 3
184 25 4
185 30 5
186 32 6
187 14 7
188 27 8
189 5 9
190 33 10
191 19
192 17 11
193 34 12 Bet 19 4 2 25 30 32 14 27 5 33 17 34
194 27 W +24
195 36 1
196 9 2
197 36
198 17 3
199 19 4
200 30 5
201 3 6
202 17
203 10 7
204 15 8
205 0 9
206 4 10
207 26 11
208 4
209 8 12 Bet 36 9 17 19 30 3 10 15 0 4 26 8
210 34 L
211 3 W +12
212 6 1
213 33 2
214 12 3
215 23 4
216 35 5
217 3 6
218 19 7
219 4 8
220 9 9
221 18 10
222 2 11
223 7 12 Bet 6 33 12 23 35 3 19 4 9 18 2 7
224 33 W +24
Total: +264
Spielbank 2015-02-01 Table 3
+264 in 224 spins!
Hi NTH
This is the 2nd set of numbers that I tested, any comments? They are spins from a B&M casino.
Quote from: shuttle on Dec 18, 09:34 PM 2015
Hi NTH
This is the 2nd set of numbers that I tested, any comments? They are spins from a B&M casino.
Hi Shuttle
only looked at this idea yesterday and if i had that result on 1st test i'd not bothered.But late yesterday evening looking in winkel holy grail in testing zone i found a sheet with a similar losing sequence, in fact 2 sheets.
I'll observe as i record on paper gut tracker and if missed a few spins after the 12 are known might invest a few units.
Just back from Ladbrokes
14-2
11-1
36-3
11-1
11-1
31-3
05-1
09-1
21-2
35-3 thes last 10 on screen, so start the count for 12 #'s
32-3 1
15-2 2 Now iwatched the next 2 spins for denzie
11-1 3
34-3 4 bet here 1-3
34-3 R win the unit. Now watch
11-1 R
10-1 5 so 1-1 why guess nb
22-2 6
09-1 7
04-1 8 again why guess nb
31-3 9
17-2 10
16-2 11 again why guess nb Gut is 26-9-2-2 we could get another 7/8 unique, we could get the 12th #which would be
30-3 12 one of the 7/8. 30 is the 12th so bet, so could get another 6/7 unique, lets hope not. Cut the story short, WINKEL
35-3 L is spot on
14-2 L
20-2 L
20-2 L now when that 20 came 3rd loss think perhaps one of the unique not using could hit and it does
33-3 L Now i bet the rng sceptics would be saying the rng is cheating
0-0 L
11-1 Win Staked .20p*12 1,1,2,3,4,10,20
If we look at the 10 on screen 14,11,36,11,11,31,5,9,21,35 8 unique, of that 8 unique 2 repeat in the 1st 10 that we play.
In the next 10spins, from our 1st 10 of play we have 8 unique and none repeat.
So how is this rng cheating, i won, if it was cheating surely i should not have won. Dont Winkels LOTT in Gut work,so wheres the cheat
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 19, 09:29 AM 2015
Just back from Ladbrokes
14-2
11-1
36-3
11-1
11-1
31-3
05-1
09-1
21-2
35-3 thes last 10 on screen, so start the count for 12 #'s
32-3 1
15-2 2 Now iwatched the next 2 spins for denzie
11-1 3
34-3 4 bet here 1-3
34-3 R win the unit. Now watch
11-1 R
10-1 5 so 1-1 why guess nb
22-2 6
09-1 7
04-1 8 again why guess nb
31-3 9
17-2 10
16-2 11 again why guess nb Gut is 26-9-2-2 we could get another 7/8 unique, we could get the 12th #which would be
30-3 12 one of the 7/8. 30 is the 12th so bet, so could get another 6/7 unique, lets hope not. Cut the story short, WINKEL
35-3 L is spot on
14-2 L
20-2 L
20-2 L now when that 20 came 3rd loss think perhaps one of the unique not using could hit and it does
33-3 L Now i bet the rng sceptics would be saying the rng is cheating
0-0 L
11-1 Win Staked .20p*12 1,1,2,3,4,10,20
If we look at the 10 on screen 14,11,36,11,11,31,5,9,21,35 8 unique, of that 8 unique 2 repeat in the 1st 10 that we play.
In the next 10spins, from our 1st 10 of play we have 8 unique and none repeat.
So how is this rng cheating, i won, if it was cheating surely i should not have won. Dont Winkels LOTT in Gut work,so wheres the cheat
The ultimate proof against RNG cheating would be increasing your bankroll to an amount that would make an online casino uncomfortable.
So if you started with $500 and turned it into $50,000, I would say that you've pretty much destroyed the theory that RNG is rigged.
Keep up the good work! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Hi Law
I'm betting in the licensed bookmakers, on FOBT's with tight stakes.
As you can see must start with only .20p units,max bet £100.00
If we look at the 10 on screen 14,11,36,11,11,31,5,9,21,35 8 unique, of that 8 unique 2 repeat in the 1st 10 that we play.
In the next 10spins, from our 1st 10 of play we have 8 unique and none repeat.
The above goes in line with Gut, so how is the rng cheating
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 19, 11:17 AM 2015
Hi Law
I'm betting in the licensed bookmakers, on FOBT's with tight stakes.
As you can see must start with only .20p units,max bet £100.00
If we look at the 10 on screen 14,11,36,11,11,31,5,9,21,35 8 unique, of that 8 unique 2 repeat in the 1st 10 that we play.
In the next 10spins, from our 1st 10 of play we have 8 unique and none repeat.
The above goes in line with Gut, so how is the rng cheating
Not saying it's cheating, but if you want a definitive answer to the age-old "cheating RNG" question, then significant wins are the way to go!
Any minor scenario can be seen as an anomaly with RNG; but winning 100x your bankroll.............that would go a long way toward shutting down those that criticize RNG :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh:
such a fine line.
such a gray area.
cheating? I don't think they "cheat"
my local airball machines are said to determine a number before the ball is released, using different air bursts it guides the ball.
BUT, that gets tricky, you can STILL place bets after the ball has spun for a few seconds.
when I play the grass roots stuff on airball, I don't place the chips on the dozens until the balls released.
what I do know is people play the airball machines with $25 chips and make thousands of dollars, I've seen it
Like slot machines the video roulettes and the airball roulettes are regulated as far as how much they have to pay out, though. That raises the question, is it truly roulette? No, not like a live dealer roulette.
I don't know and I don't think we will ever know exactly how they work
Few weeks ago I played grass roots at resorts world, they had replaced 80% of the airball machines, they had an area sectioned off with airball machines dismantled with signs that said inspections completed or something like that.
When someone loses they like to say it cheated
BUT, I will tell you one thing, online RNG I will never play again, cause that CAN cheat. When people say they have cracked RNG online, I laugh outloud....nimwits they are. You can never crack RNG online. If that were the case the software guys that make this stuff would be draining the casinos.
With the airball though I think it is a gray area. It is said to pre determine where the ball is going, yet it lets you place bets after it is released. Also, I don't know because I have tried the tactic of betting where everyone else is not betting. They show players bets on a big screen. It did not work.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 11:32 AM 2015
my local airball machines are said to determine a number before the ball is released, using different air bursts it guides the ball.
Im no airball expert, but Flatino (RIP) hammered them day and night and swore blind that they were fixed, mentioned hard drives running codes.
Turner. I think you may be right.
But i never had an issue with them
I see people win thousands
I swear by betting after the balls released
After all, i do see the airball bounce around the diamonds. So i dont think it can be 100%
What i am tying to say is does airball manipulation stop at the diamond. Once it hits diamond its erratic
Perhaps airball just chooses a section
Also the required payout matches the house edge
RG
Take the time and contact XANDER via PM at the VLS selection forum . He is an expert on wheels and as far as I know even on the air ball variety. Tell him ND recommended him.Sharp B & M casino roulette player and VB specialist.
Quote from: Tamino on Dec 19, 05:12 PM 2015
RG
Take the time and contact XANDER via PM at the VLS selection forum . He is an expert on wheels and as far as I know even on the air ball variety. Tell him ND recommended him.Sharp B & M casino roulette player and VB specialist.
I know of him. He has played at my local casino
Id like to meet up with him next time
Thanks
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 19, 02:07 PM 2015
Turner. I think you may be right.
But i never had an issue with them
I see people win thousands
I swear by betting after the balls released
After all, i do see the airball bounce around the diamonds. So i dont think it can be 100%
I guess nobody reads my posts. I reported my findings sometime back.
I cant quote it 100% perfect but it went something like this...... I went to my casino around 6am, I wanted as few as possible on the machine. PERFECT, I was the only person playing.
I used only $25 bets. Every spin, I bet the 26 30 7 20 17 5 34 15 24 36 (00 wheel), $250 per spin.
I did this for 100 spins. Of course I did not pump 25K into a machine, I used whatever wins I got, back into my BR but was WILLING to lose a lot (which happened) in order to do my experiment.
Notice how my numbers are all on one side. its nice and even, red/black etc.
Anyways, you would not believe the number of times the ball landed no where near my section !!
I'm glad nobody else played because I wanted no big bets on my opposite side, the experiment worked out real nice (for the casino, lol). I only had a few hits and lost.....well.....quite a bit but it was worth it.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 19, 06:15 PM 2015
I guess nobody reads my posts. I reported my findings sometime back.
I cant quote it 100% perfect but it went something like this...... I went to my casino around 6am, I wanted as few as possible on the machine. PERFECT, I was the only person playing.
I used only $25 bets. Every spin, I bet the 26 30 7 20 17 5 34 15 24 36 (00 wheel), $250 per spin.
I did this for 100 spins. Of course I did not pump 25K into a machine, I used whatever wins I got, back into my BR but was WILLING to lose a lot (which happened) in order to do my experiment.
Notice how my numbers are all on one side. its nice and even, red/black etc.
Anyways, you would not believe the number of times the ball landed no where near my section !!
I'm glad nobody else played because I wanted no big bets on my opposite side, the experiment worked out real nice (for the casino, lol). I only had a few hits and lost.....well.....quite a bit but it was worth it.
Ken
No dount airball manipulates the ball
But to what extent?
When i see it hit the diamond its erratic.
I think playing at a full table is different then lonesome?
"I think playing at a full table is different then lonesome?" >>
10000000% correct. I may do the same experiment but at 8pm, lots of players (if I can get a seat).
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 19, 06:43 PM 2015
"I think playing at a full table is different then lonesome?" >>
10000000% correct. I may do the same experiment but at 8pm, lots of players (if I can get a seat).
Ken
The plus of my casino is the machines are always packed.
Sometimes have to wait for a seat
These guys are throwing 25 dollar chips on numbers while im putting 10 bucks on double dozens
Just take the time and compare the bounce of the ball at an air ball machine and a live dealer dropping the ball at a roulette wheel.
It shall be an interesting lesson.Well worth it.
ND.
Quote from: Tamino on Dec 19, 06:51 PM 2015
Just take the time and compare the bounce of the ball at an air ball machine and a live dealer dropping the ball at a roulette wheel.
It shall be an interesting lesson.Well worth it.
ND.
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Airball is a weird animal.
I see the ball hit the diamond and bounce like a banshee. Even if the machine is rigged how does it control an erratic ball that hits a diamond
I stopped playing airball after watching more than once the ball jump out of a slot that I was betting on into one 5 slots away. Very suspect when the ball has settled then jumps out and lands a few slots away. Once I could deal with, but multiple I had trouble with.
Quote from: thelaw on Dec 19, 10:26 AM 2015
The ultimate proof against RNG cheating would be increasing your bankroll to an amount that would make an online casino uncomfortable.
So if you started with $500 and turned it into $50,000, I would say that you've pretty much destroyed the theory that RNG is rigged.
Keep up the good work! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Just playing R/B I've been able to take a $25 bank to over $2500 playing RNG on Betvoyager. I use a Labouchere cancellation progression of 11111 trying to win $5 each session.
Quote from: shuttle on Dec 18, 09:34 PM 2015
Hi NTH
This is the 2nd set of numbers that I tested, any comments? They are spins from a B&M casino.
How did the 1st set go, celescliff shows good results
albalaha Opening topic daily live spin data
1 32 1
2 0 2
3 7 3
4 9 4
5 11 5
6 0
7 26 6
8 23 7
9 4 8
10 23
11 15 9
12 31 10
13 5 11
14 34 12
15 5 w
+24
Reply 2 jpg 1
1 16 1
2 14 2
3 8 3
4 6 4
5 10 5
6 23 6
7 21 7
8 29 8
9 21
10 29
11 4 9
12 33 10
13 27 11
14 1 12
15 17 L
16 11 L
17 36 L
18 28 L
19 13 L
20 35 L
21 25 L
22 35 L
23 4 W
+108
reply 2 jpg2
1 5 1
2 16 2
3 1 3
4 22 4
5 19 5
6 32 6
7 28 7
8 11 8
9 5
10 2 9
11 13 10
12 36 11
13 20 12
14 16 W
+24
reply 2 jpg 3
1 21 1
2 5 2
3 25 3
4 12 4
5 10 5
6 9 6
7 1 7
8 23 8
9 9
10 34 9
11 24 10
12 28 11
13 8 12
14 6 L
15 33 L
16 36 L
17 29 L
18 7 L
19 34 W
+108
Reply2 roulette numbers 1
1 9 1
2 20 2
3 36 3
4 31 4
5 8 5
6 30 6
7 3 7
8 14 8
9 10 9
10 32 10
11 21 11
12 14
13 16 12
14 14 W
+24
reply 2 roulette numbers 2
1 18 1
2 36 2
3 15 3
4 31 4
5 34 5
6 12 6
7 8 7
8 27 8
9 9 9
10 2 10
11 3 11
12 34
13 24 12
14 14 L
15 8 W
+12
reply 2 roulette numbers 3
1 28 1
2 11 2
3 8 3
4 15 4
5 12 5
6 16 6
7 0 7
8 20 8
9 7 9
10 2 10
11 31 11
12 2
13 15
14 21 12
15 2 W
+24
exact rules?
wait for 12 unique numbers, no repeat, then begin betting those 12?
yes as easy as that, my Nan can do it
nottophammer.....are you flat betting or using a progression?
sorry i see your progression
These numbers are 2 sheets in Gut topic Gut 9/10 Paddy Power. Just made the run continue from where i jumped
1 21 1
2 29 2
3 31 3
4 25 4
5 17 5
6 9 6
7 31
8 16 7
9 10 8
10 35 9
11 1 10
12 5 11
13 31
14 21
15 2 12
16 0 L
17 6 L
18 4 L
19 7 L
20 36 L
21 5 W
22 20 1
23 13 2
24 16 3
25 21 4
26 13
27 35 5
28 1 6
29 34 7
30 11 8
31 21
32 17 9
33 35
34 16
35 12 10
36 7 11
37 0 12
38 21 W
39 7 1
40 29 2
41 33 3
42 27 4
43 9 5
44 18 6
45 15 7
46 14 8
47 10 9
48 27
49 9
50 2 10
51 21 11
52 32 12
53 3 L
54 30 L
55 7 W
56
57
58
59
60
This really is fantastic it's a good way to utilize the fact there will always be repeats with in 37 spins
Just back from ladbrokes £60.00 in £78.60 out under an hour.
okay on screen left by someone 6,4,13,29,26,12,27,27,29,8. so 8 unique in last 10 that have been left, so my spins start
9,26,21,33,32 the 12 are 6,4,13,29,26,12,27,8,9,21,33,32. 1st spin 26 win.
That would be if started with the numbers left.
As you see i start with 9. The 12 unique come at 19th spin 31, takes 3 spins to win.
The next 12 unique take 15 spins, i made the wrong decision,thought i'd wait a couple of spins,but wins 1st spin.
Next 12 unique take 14 spins, again thought i'd wait,right decision as you see £2.4 win.
Now Gut, on the KTF column we have 9/10, so by the 40th spin with 15 non hit expected in 30 spins we should read 24+0,but its 23 -1 only 14 hit.
So watching the trot you can see the 10th 0X hits #1, so watching we see the next 3 spins are 1X's so the 0X's are low, next spin win.
Now bit disappointed here as the 3X's have already hit, lot of the time it can come after 19th spin,but as you can see 3 more spins and the 2nd 3X hits, but not on it.
Bet the 40th spin would be a 0X hit as we have 23 non hit at spin 35, but bet 1,1,2 win
Theres the old classic 12-12-11-9 at spin 43, my decision is bet the 0X+1X 24 #'s and win, if you look to the KTF column you see the 24,25,26th have hit,so waited another 0X, 4 on the trot, so the bet for me is 1X+>1 lose,rebet and win. Now dropped the >1 only bet the 1X's, but again a 0X 29th number to hit in 48 spins,surely to many 0X's have come,so rebet the 1X's, it takes 4 spins to get the win.
So success all round.
Forgot to say middle of the trot, not that i was interested but theres a nice line of 1 colour.
LADS 21.12.15 whilst playing i made a mistake on the sheet, but this strategy still wins.
1 9 1
2 26 2
3 21 3
4 33 4
5 32 5
6 26
7 22 6
8 13 7
9 27 8
10 25 9
11 33
12 1 10
13 9
14 13
15 9
16 15 11
17 21
18 27
19 31 12
20 8 L
21 16 L
22 33 W
23 16 1
24 36 2
25 30 3
26 7 4
27 12 5
28 27 6
29 34 7
30 25 8
31 19 9
32 14 10
33 25
34 35 11
35 5 12
36 22 L
37 9 L
38 35 W
39 5 1
40 34 2
41 30 3
42 11 4
43 3 5
44 28 6
45 0 7
46 2 8
47 27 9
48 23 10
49 34
50 17 11
51 2
52 9 12
53 21 L
54 19 L
55 21 L
56 28 W
57
58
59
60
61
62
Why dont you play with large units
Bring in some real hard euros
8)
out of curiosity how would the 12 unique fair in the 37 spin cycle.
After the 1st 12 unique win, it gets another 5 wins, all within the bookies progression. As you can see whilst collecting the next 12 unique the 37 spin cycle ends, but the 1st gets 5 wins.
RG on the machine if you started with £1 unit you'd hit the max bet to quick, the RNG providers know this, thats why when you use progresion you have to start with .20p then .40,.60.80 £1.00 it then takes you to £2.00 units.
Would only be able to go 1,1,2,3,4,6,8 if on the 8 be slight loss, where as .20p you can go for 9, bet your bottom dollar the rng providers know whats capable, now the ? is to programme for 10 chances would they be opening themselves to a disadvantage
Bit off track here but once i was betting 18 numbers after the 19th had hit, there was 18 repeats before it put the 20th in,
so was it watching or just the way the numbers came.
1 9 1
2 26 2
3 21 3
4 33 4
5 32 5
6 26
7 22 6
8 13 7
9 27 8
10 25 9
11 33
12 1 10
13 9
14 13
15 9
16 15 11
17 21
18 27
19 31 12
20 8 L
21 16 L
22 33 W
23 16 1
24 36 2
25 30 3
26 7 4
27 12 5
28 27 6 w
29 34 7
30 25 8 w
31 19 9
32 14 10
33 25 w
34 35 11
35 5 12
36 22 L w
37 9 L w
Heres one for all of you.
It involves 7 #'s a whole d/s and the other #. Again on RNG about 5 years ago, it stuck in my mind.
Dave who was betting numbers 30 to 36 for £40.00, scattered in different amounts.
What do 30,31,32,33,34,35,36 cover,
1 d/s
2 3#'s from the tier
3 2#'s going from the left of the tier
4 2#'s going from the right of the tier
5 all in bottom 19
6 3 odd 4 even, theres more but you see the picture.
As hes got 7 #'s we can say 1/6th of the wheel is covered, would math say after 6spins it should hit 1?.
Well it took 18 spins to give a winning number, and one of the cheapest.
So was the rng cheating
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 18, 07:14 AM 2015
Just starting out on this idea, so i'll use aspers live spins. Even i dont know if this will work.
Collect the 1st 12 numbers no repeats
aspers mk
33 01
02 02
18 03
12 04
13 05
29 06
25 07
04 08
26 09
15 10
21 11
20 12 so thinking along the lines of Gut no repeat yet, so if next spin is a non hit,13 straight, so 2 more spins to get to 15
08 13 straight non hit, Winkel shows this happened 3 times in 200,000 odd spins
16 14 well 14, i'd be betting the 1st 12#'s 33-2-18-12-13 -29-25-4- 26-15-21- 20, bet 12 units,12 units now 24 units
12 R win.
34 Okay we've won, so would you now sit out till 37 spins have gone and then collect the 1st 12#'s again.
9 or start again from 34.
18
30
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30
7
14
12
13
22
12
29
21
35
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23
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34
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3
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So heres where i started seeing how long before one of the 12 unique wins.
Well how does it go if we just use those 12 unique
1 33 1
2 2 2
3 18 3
4 12 4
5 13 5
6 29 6
7 25 7
8 4 8
9 26 9
10 15 10
11 21 11
12 20 12
13 8 L
14 16 L
15 12 W
16 34 L
17 9 L
18 18 W
19 30 L
20 20 W
21 30 L
22 7 L
23 14 L
24 12 W
25 13 W
26 22 L
27 12 W
28 29 W
29 21 W
30 35 L
31 20 W
32 23 L
33 19 L
34 34 L
35 2 W
36 16 L
37 7 L
38 16 L
39 21 W
40 25 W
41 19 L 33
42 4 W 2
43 33 W 18
44 20 W 12
45 32 L 13
46 24 L 29
47 3 L 25
48 14 L 4
49 0 L 26
50 29 W 15
51 13 W 21
52 7 L 20
53
54 spins 40*12= 480
55 wins 17*36= 612
56
57 have to look over the other replies that are all rng :twisted:
58
59
60
61
62
63
Jackpot Joy on ITV today early hours
Automated wheel
1 35 1
2 3 2
3 8 3
4 12 4
5 25 5
6 7 6
7 1 7
8 11 8
9 23 9
10 8
11 0 10
12 35
13 8
14 33 11
15 18 12
16 36 L
17 7 W +12
18 19 1
19 8 2
20 28 3
21 23 4
22 17 5
23 7 6
24 7
25 12 7
26 13 8
27 31 9
28 9 10
29 14 11
30 12
31 14
32 19
33 29 12
34 24 L
35 12 W +12
36 1 1
37 1
38 27 2
39 35 3
40 9 4
41 10 5
42 10
43 35
44 36 6
45 19 7
46 33 8
47 35
48 24 9
49 17 10
50 36
51 6 11
52 31 12
53 32 L
54 4 L
55 34 L
56 17 W +24
57 34
58 32
59 27
60 18
Are you that much lucky?
No, you are on a right track!
Just look at the one hits (1X's) in Gut, look when 25 non hit shows theres the 12 unique
Notto. Twocat played similar. But waited for only 5 uniques
Good results
If you don't have something big here then I'll be a monkeys uncle. I don't want to be a monkeys uncle
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9835.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9835.0)
Ok, a 142 spin test. This test was JUST to see how far I could go playing with the same numbers.
What you don't see here is that after spin 92 I had 9 losses, eating 732 units from the bankroll. I deleted those and start a new one with the number that came and the next 12 numbers survivied for 44 spins. I will do some more testing to see if you could bet the same numbers and have 2-5 wins.
1 9 1
2 13 2
3 24 3
4 35 4
5 28 5
6 32 6
7 26 7
8 17 8
9 1 9
10 7 10
11 30 11
12 26
13 31 12 Bet 1 7 9 13 17 24 26 28 30 31 32 35
14 22 L
15 24 W 12
16 16 L
17 8 L
18 19 L
19 18 L
20 20 L
21 25 L
22 10 L
23 31 W 24
24 24 W 24
25 24 W 24
26 15 L
27 3 L
28 3 L
29 21 L
30 19 L
31 30 W 12
32 28 W 24
33 13 W 24
34 1 W 24
35 33 L
36 6 L
37 32 W 24
38 6 L
39 32 W 12
40 14 L
41 2 L
42 10 L
43 31 W 24
44 14 L
45 34 L
46 16 L
47 22 L
48 23 L
49 18 L
50 4 L
51 36 L
52 26 W 24
53 18 L
54 6 L
55 24 W 24
56 7 W 24
57 18 L
58 14 L
59 6 L
60 9 W 24
61 22 L
62 11 L
63 14 L
64 22 L
65 32 W 12
66 26 W 24
67 5 L
68 13 W 12
69 34 L
70 36 L
71 35 W 24
72 13 W 24
73 31 W 24
74 5 L
75 25 L
76 10 L
77 25 L
78 24 W 12
79 32 W 24
80 26 W 24
81 1 W 24
82 15 L
83 23 L
84 24 W 24
85 4 L
86 14 L
87 17 W 24
88 6 L
89 13 W 12
90 20 L
91 7 W 12
92 +600
93 23 1
94 3 2
95 23
96 10 3
97 8 4
98 4 5
99 12 6
100 29 7
101 36 8
102 14 9
103 8
104 6 10
105 10
106 36
107 11 11
108 10
109 20 12 Bet 3 4 6 8 10 11 12 14 20 23 29 36
110 36 W 24
111 14 W 24
112 27 L
113 22 L
114 30 L
115 23 W 24
116 25 L
117 10 W 12
118 8 W 24
119 25 L
120 4 W 12
121 21 L
122 32 L
123 2 L
124 4 W 24
125 26 L
126 15 L
127 35 L
128 33 L
129 4 W 12
130 29 W 24
131 2 L
132 20 W 12
133 12 W 24
134 13 L
135 19 L
136 25 L
137 34 L
138 24 L
139 22 L
140 9 L
141 15 L
142 5 L
Personally i would collect 12 new unique after the win. You could collect the next unique straight after the 12 where you are betting,like i did today.
I used the paper tracker.
Sheet 1 i made a mistake as i was working with the numbers left on the screen, the 3rd spin should have been 18.
If you look in the left top column theres the numbers on the screen 11 unique, next spin is the 12th.
As i was using the unique that were left by someone else i waited 2 spins it won in two more spins.
But like Winkel said i've made a mistake, so i thought i'd press on. I got the 12 th at spin 13, 25-11-1-1, so i'm thinking it could have been 26-9-2-2,so bet straight away,it takes 6 to win. Now having seen it take 4 spins in the other 12 unique, i felt okay to bet straight away,with 9 chances available. The 14th unique repeated,making me think its going to go a few.
After the win, better to start a new sheet,using my previous spins.
The 11 spins on screen has 10 unique, so on sheet 2, 29 is the 11th,34 is 12th,now should i use these or get 12 unique on the sheet,No i went ahead with 31,2,25,3,22,13,32,10,17,22 already there 8,29,34. Wins in 3.
Now i leave alone the numbers in the margin, i now use the numbers from the 13th spin,we have the 12 unique at spin 24. Wins 1st spin. If you've read my thinking in GUT,i've mentioned if the 2X has not repeated by the 19th spin, well you could start betting, well look the 12th unique is spin 24 and the 2X's have not hit, so i bet both bets,remember if the 2X dont come in you can still bet it, just watch the stakes, soon as you'd have bet 36 units you'd have to increase or stop the bet
Couldn't make my mind up what to play. Decided to play AMK way but only over 3 spins, also track the 12 unique.
As you can see quite some tracking when getting asked what i'm doing.
Won £13.40
AMK way only lost 1st bet 2 times, but won all mini games.
The 12 unique all won with in the 9 bets.
.
see mini game #4
say we were playing 123
LOSER because of zero?
insurance on zero
PLEASE
Because i play rng and you lot dont like rng i've started 1st 12 #'s in x spins using jackpot joy, auto wheel.
RG thanks for TCS unique 5, only had to get to reply 43 for his idea, 5 unique plus adding next uniques, only needs four and its up to 35 units, so this is where it needs lots of units to get the win and make a profit.
12 unique is different.
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 18, 08:37 PM 2015
This session did well, aswell. :)
Spin # Triggers W/L Information Progression 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21
223 7 12 Bet 6 33 12 23 35 3 19 4 9 18 2 7
224 33 W +24
Total: +264
Spielbank 2015-02-01 Table 3
Which software you use for this results?
Thanks
+264 in 224 spins!
Quote from: nextyear on Dec 27, 11:32 AM 2015
Which software you use for this results?
Thanks
I just used openoffice and downloaded spins from weisbaden spielbank and tracked one and one manually.
Results are very tidy - easy to read.
Quote from: nextyear on Dec 27, 03:15 PM 2015
Results are very tidy - easy to read.
Just put everything nice in columns and paste in here between codeblocks and you get the same. :thumbsup:
Quote from: celescliff on Dec 27, 02:04 PM 2015
I just used openoffice and downloaded spins from weisbaden spielbank and tracked one and one manually.
Is open office free
Yes 100 % free and it has everything that ms office have. Nothing i'm missing that is.
Lad,sandy 28.12.15
All wins in side the 9 bet progression
1 35 1
2 16 2
3 9 3
4 14 4
5 9 x
6 30 5
7 34 6
8 2 7
9 14 x
10 15 8
11 22 9
12 11 10
13 11 x
14 5 11
15 18 12
16 15 1 w
17 19 2
18 29 3
19 3 4
20 26 5
21 21 6
22 12 7
23 26 x
24 18 8
25 18 x
26 27 9
27 35 10
28 8 11
29 23 12
30 28 1 L
31 0 2 L
32 1 3 L
33 16 4 L
34 16 x L
35 4 5 L
36 27 6 w
37 11 7
38 24 8
39 28 x
40 34 9
41 14 10
42 12 11
43 17 12
44 34 1 w
45 30 2
46 20 3
47 22 4
48 32 5
49 24 6
50 32 x
51 6 7
52 15 8
53 2 9
54 32 x
55 29 10
56 4 11
57 31 12
58 26 L
59 35 L
60 7 L
61 3 L
62 36 L
63 33 L
64 35 L
65 6 w
Maybe it's an idea to only make 3 bets and then wait till the next 12 and again only 3 bets but continu the progression. you often win on the first 3 attempts.
Quote from: RayManZ on Dec 29, 03:41 AM 2015
Maybe it's an idea to only make 3 bets and then wait till the next 12 and again only 3 bets but continu the progression. you often win on the first 3 attempts.
Something to look at later. Thanks
Worth testing folks .... here's a real session at Rivers in Pittsburgh:
Quote from: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 09:04 PM 2015
Worth testing folks .... here's a real session at Rivers in Pittsburgh:
Been there twice. Friend moved to pittsburgh
Funny, I was there visiting as well.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 10:01 PM 2015
Funny, I was there visiting as well.
My friend works at the hotel next door to the stadium for the Steelers
Quote from: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 09:04 PM 2015
Worth testing folks .... here's a real session at Rivers in Pittsburgh:
I agree Wally Gator needs testing. Like todays Jackpot joy took a hit. I like Ray manz idea about bet just 3 times, but carry on the progression next time.
Any more ideas welcomed
Wally Gator
Will you be testing this idea
Quote from: Wally Gator on Dec 29, 09:04 PM 2015
Worth testing folks .... here's a real session at Rivers in Pittsburgh:
With Ray and Jimmie idea not as much as Wally betting full prog, but makes 276
Ghost, Aus, Wally,noreilles Happy New year
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 31, 07:40 PM 2015
Ghost, Aus, Wally,noreilles Happy New year
Happy new year buddy
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 31, 05:58 PM 2015
Wally Gator
Will you be testing this idea
I have been, yes. So far, no losing sessions, but they're coming. This is a great addition to the toolbox.
Mister Gator
The progression seems the stumbling part of this idea. Any ideas
Certainly there are many progressions that can work effectively with this best selection, however, it's really up to the individual and their method of play and comfort level. There are many hits on the 1st betting opportunity after 12 uniques. So, if you're looking for something because you'll be wiped out after the 732 units of the 9 step progression, something like 112, 223, 334, etc... Until a hit or 9 spins unhit and resume after the next 12 unique, and then play that 3 step prog as a single sequence, moving up one and down one. (e.g. Let's say we consider a mini game to be the 12 uniques and the first hit, so if you played the 12 uniques and then bet 112, 223, 334 for nine spins and nothing hits, then you'd stop playing, wait for the hit, then begin the next mini game and the first bet sequence would be 455. If you hit within the first 3 spins the next mini game would drop to 334, and so on.). You have to watch to see what's going on as there are better sequences to play than others. You may also find that you'd like to keep this as a 6 step prog and not a 9. Again, it's all up to the individual playing and their style.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 20, 02:27 PM 2015
How did the 1st set go, celescliff shows good results
Shuttle How did the 1st set go
Hi NTH
I'm sorry I can't remember as I deleted the spreadsheet.
Just blow the dust off this
He, he, you got lot of furniture to take care of!
Did this one die or just get forgotten?
No still look at it
Looking from Gut, how would the 1st 13 spins,perform?
Ross, Gian
I'd think most ideas have been looked at
1st 12 uniques and you start betting
perfect...
Do you know Grandpaaway? 9 number bet
Your answer to 3-4-5
If you do bet think Granp's say's bet only 4 times.