*PATTERN BREAKER*

[cht]

Coderjoe, you can either test PB-Andre's method out on live Baccarat games waiting for the pattern we are looking for PBB PBB PB and start betting 1-1-2-4 (but also adjust to cover the Tie bet) betting PBPP to bet against the 4th repeat. Do the same for the BPP
OR
since you like coding and probably don't have the patience to sit at your computer for 24 hours straight to bet 10 or 15 times, you can code a baccarat card game and do a simulation where you shuffle 6 decks of cards before starting the session and then deal them one at a time to player/ banker hands. No RNG of each hand here. Simulate EXACTLY how the game is played live. Do this 1 million times and test this method. If you don't come out ahead I will be shocked.


Cheers,
Ricky

I'd like to know what the test result says - step 1/2/3/4/loss. 

[Ricky]

You would get the same results betting randomly and you would save a lot of time. Try it. ;-).

Hi CoderJoe, I am going to agree with you on that point. I think if you had luck on your side you very well might get the same results betting randomly. But what you are doing is gambling. With gambling sometimes you will lose sometimes you will win. There is no discipline or patience involved. You will just continue gambling and testing your luck.
But will you have the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE to perform the same random selection day in day out no matter what success you have had? Will you just give up after the first couple of losses? Will you admit defeat that this random method you are using is proving not to be the holy grail you have been looking for?

Any method played with the other attributes in the long run is going to prove successful. You could use Dealer FOOTPRINT as a method and played sparingly over many years and decades and approaching the method with DISCIPLINE and the PATIENCE to find the BEST conditions where a dealer is showing a clear tendency to target a certain sector of the wheel. At the B&M casino the other day I came across this exact situation. In 2 spins a gambler made $1,800 playing $25 bets on the 5 or 6 numbers that clearly showed the dealer making a FOOTPRINT
But I guarantee that gambler probably recovered from steep losses playing all night. Luckily it was Easter and he casino closed before he could put on the next bet so he did get to keep those winning for another day.
But can you imagine if you did this day in day out for 11 years having a large enough bankroll to make 200-300 bets but just playing 2-10 games a visit to the casino how much you would make yearly? Do the sums, its a fortune. Why work when you can do this. The reason is you need the patience and discipline to find the right conditions to play your 3 games and go home.

JL and other have never said PATTERN BREAKER is the holy grail. But what they are saying is, played with the same discipline and in the right conditions, they can use this method to GRIND out their small but comfortable profit that over time will allow them to grow their betsize and profit. When it stops winning for them and they find a better method they will stop playing it. For me, I believe the PB on Baccarat is getting close to superceding Roulette as the better method. But some people are drawn to playing roulette and do not prefer Baccarat. I prefer playing the game with the best odds and that is playable. Unfortunately noone is offering Baccarat Extreme simulation and BOT software that I can use to program and play continuously online. Otherwise I would be a MILLIONAIRE.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Why would betting against a pattern that has already hit be any more effective than betting randomly?

[Sorry for the long post in advance. Getting board waiting for the next pattern to bet on]

Hi General,
I have been thinking of a good way of explaining why being selective in your betting beats randomly selecting a bet, say red or black, in the long run. Its been mentioned here about PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE and HIT & RUN. But what are we doing here to make it a better method than playing continuously a game of chance?

Well I think it all comes down to math. Pure and simple PROFIT. Someone once described this HIT & RUN method as being in a storm where there is lightning. You don't want to get hit or you'll die. But there is money to be made out there. You want to go out there, find the best method to get it and then get out of the storm to avoid getting hit by a bolt. You don't want to play every spin or all day.

So the moral of the story is the more money you accumulate without getting struck by a loss that can randomly popup at any time the more profitable your system is going to be.

Now the HOLY GRAIL of systems is one that allows you to stay out in the storm longer and avoid getting hit by lightning but still make money. PATTERN BREAKER is not that system. The owner readily admits this so is happy making his living playing disciplined allowing random to choose his bets. So if you are arguing this is a losing system because you cannot use it continuously without losing your bankroll then you are absolutely right. Show me a system that can do this and I will start using it. Actually, I think I have found this and am testing it continuously whenever I get the time.

But why do I think PATTERN BREAKER on Baccarat playing Andre's version is getting close to HOLY GRAIL territory.

[To be Continued in next post]

[Joe]

Hi Ricky,

Did you realise you used the word "patience" 7 times and the word "discipline" 9 times in your last 3 posts?

Here's the thing about computer simulations  :

* Computer simulations never get impatient (they have endless PATIENCE).
* Computer simulations do exactly what they're told (they have perfect DISCIPLINE).
* They never get tired or make mistakes.
* They never need to go for a piss, or get distracted by the dealer's big tits.

I could go on...

My simulation played PB correctly to the letter, and even with plenty of PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE, it didn't get anything like the astounding results claimed by JL. Instead, the results were exactly as probability would predict, and which would be the same if you were just betting constantly on red.

I'm sorry, but those are the facts. 

[Ricky]

[Continued from last post]
Put simply, Both Andre and I are finding it hard to CONTINUOUSLY lose. Not one Baccarat shoe with a back to back losing streak. Whereas playing PB continuously for 3.5 days on Roulette using my bot, even with regular pauses to simulate Hit & Run, I actually came across 4 losses in a row with 1 win in between the two  (LLWLL). This really hurt the bankroll but not before making enough profit to cover the loss.

So what makes a deck of cards less able to deliver the killer blow following a certain pattern than a spin of the wheel. Well Andre and I have provided our thoughts on that and I think it is right - LIMITED VARIANCE. Random does not have a chance to do its thing on a DYNAMIC basis in a deck of cards being delivered in set order after the initial shuffle. There are many successful Baccarat players out there and they all have their style and method to profit. The most profitable Baccarat systems out there are all about following Patterns or betting AGAINST patterns continuing. The reason these systems are successful is because the lack of VARIANCE in random. It is limited.  So it is more "predictable".

After observing many hands of Baccarat we have identified a pattern that rarely forms 4 times. My opinion on why this is so is there is a limited number of combinations the cards can be shuffled in to generate that specific pattern without stumbling somewhere down the line.

So lets look at how many cards need to be placed in an exact order to get the pattern BPP BPP BPP BPP to be created and therefore beat us. There are up to 6 cards that are dealt per hand. So there is a maximum of 6x8=48 cards that need to be shuffled in a certain order to match the pattern of 2.75 repeats of the pattern PBB or BPP. To repeat 4 times requires a maximum of 6x12=72 cards.

If all cards dealt are naturals then only 4 cards are dealt per hand. This is best case scenario but will never happen. So minimum dealt cards are 4x8=32 cards for 2.75 repeats and 4x12=48 cards for 4 repeats.

So somewhere in between 48-72 cards have to be shuffled in a limited number of combinations to generate the 4 peat of PBB or BPP.

Now if you were a magician and your trick was to shuffle the cards 100 times and somewhere in each shuffled deck you were going to sort them in order to create a PBB PBB PBB PBB or BPP BPP BPP BPP the audience would think he was really talented or it was an excellent trick that no normal human could achieve. Well I think that is what we are challenging the casino to do in a hand shuffled deck of cards. We are challenging the dealer to deal us this pattern in 100 shoes. How many shoes do you think they will achieve this challenge. My guess is 1 in 100. They will come close many times as in the below as I was typing. Unfortunately for me it could not make the 7th hand let along the 8th hand of the  pattern.



While I was typing this post, this got me thinking that there may be a correlation between the number of cards dealt to form the trigger and the loss we are experiencing. So we may be able to link the wins with the number of cards dealt as well as the number of cards left in the shoe. The less cards left the less combinations that can generate a player or banker win. Also the more cards dealt to form most of the pattern the more chance the next cards will fail to complete it. I think it may be worth noting down these facts when playing.

Cheers,
Ricky

[Ricky]

Hi Ricky,

Did you realise you used the word "patience" 7 times and the word "discipline" 9 times in your last 3 posts?

Here's the thing about computer simulations  :

* Computer simulations never get impatient (they have endless PATIENCE).
* Computer simulations do exactly what they're told (they have perfect DISCIPLINE).
* They never get tired or make mistakes.
* They never need to go for a piss, or get distracted by the dealer's big tits.

I could go on...

My simulation played PB correctly to the letter, and even with plenty of PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE, it didn't get anything like the astounding results claimed by JL. Instead, the results were exactly as probability would predict, and which would be the same if you were just betting constantly on red.

I'm sorry, but those are the facts.

Hi Coderjoe,
and did I say you were wrong? Well let me rephrase that. You just answered your own question. You say your computer has all the PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE in the world. How long did you run your simulation for?
If it was not 11 years continuously with the HIT & RUN mode to stay out of the storm as long as possible then you miss the mark. I am doing this for 4 straight days now and I think my casino is getting pissed off because I just got disconnected from my 3 sessions I have opened without betting every spin.
If you have the file with list of roulette spins from a real live casino that is taken for at least 1 month I could use it in RX to perform my own simulation of the PB system and see if I come up with the same answer as you.

In the mean time let me know if you can code the Baccarat version. I think that is your HOLY GRAIL you are looking for. Read my last posts for my reasoning. I challenge you to dispute it and tell me where the casino has the advantage playing Baccarat like this.

cheers
Ricky

[Joe]

How long did you run your simulation for?
If it was not 11 years continuously with the HIT & RUN mode to stay out of the storm as long as possible then you miss the mark.

I've already said about 5 times that I simulated "hit & run" by skipping spins every few wins. You guys are running out of excuses. ;-)  Besides, hit & run doesn't work anyway. Why should it?

And I simulated 20,000 games, not millions. That's only 6000 more than JL has played.

[RouletteGhost]

I don’t think anyone is making excuses

People are legitimately winning with it and they will keep playing it until that changes

This bothers people, like you, for some reason

I’ll never understand it. It’s a roulette forum. If people are playing silly systems and winning, then be happy for them and leave them alone

People who typically don’t post or contribute anything on forums are very fast to attempt to discredit a strategy. Not only is it annoying it is counter productive.

Good job Ricky. Keep on truckin’

I promise you, no one cares about million spin tests.

[Apolloo]

simulations are a good way of seeing how things perform... but are the hit and run breaks different each time...  exactly 4 hours break between betting will not bring a true hit and run test... they have to differ each time.
Also was you playing no more than 2 games per session. Also after a loss was you always playing the next game within the same session.
all these things matter.

what were your 100 game set results??


86--14
87--13
88--12
89--11
90--10
91--9
92--8
93--7
94--6
95--5
96--4

??

[Ricky]

I've already said about 5 times that I simulated "hit & run" by skipping spins every few wins. You guys are running out of excuses. ;-)  Besides, hit & run doesn't work anyway. Why should it?

And I simulated 20,000 games, not millions. That's only 6000 more than JL has played.

And you have the spins so I can do independant tests rather than take your word for it?

[cht]

So what makes a deck of cards less able to deliver the killer blow following a certain pattern than a spin of the wheel. Well Andre and I have provided our thoughts on that and I think it is right - LIMITED VARIANCE. Random does not have a chance to do its thing on a DYNAMIC basis in a deck of cards being delivered in set order after the initial shuffle.

I posted on this forum earlier that roulette has longer persistent trends, baccarat trends are shorter mostly stay in whipsaw range.

Strange though, majority of baccarat players are trend players betting on repeats.

[Ricky]

exactly 4 hours break between betting will not bring a true hit and run test... they have to differ each time.
Also was you playing no more than 2 games per session. Also after a loss was you always playing the next game within the same session.

Hi Apoollo,
that's what my bot is doing with this 100 game run. Its playing 4 days straight and about 25 games a day. Almost finished but is ending with just under break even based on the bets I am placing. But I will do analysis in terms of units and recovery as I was not playing same units over that time.

So my next step will be to get your feedback on how I should run the next 100 games. I am hearing I should increase the unit size and play less often. So I will get forum members to look at the results and advise based on a 600 euro bankroll what my next test should be. Over time we will get an ideal mix of bet size and daily profit goal over 100 games to see if we can automate what a lot of you are painfully doing manually.

Cheers,
Ricky

[RouletteGhost]

Jus don’t let people distract

Whether I or anyone else agrees does not matter keep doing what you are doing

Some people only come out of thenwood works to prove a system fails. That’s what they do. Ignore it.

[Ricky]

Strange though majority of baccarat players are trend players betting on repeats.

Exactly cht,
After coming across the revelation I find it hard to believe players are losing thousands if not millions making guesses at which way the next cards will fall. And all this bending of the cards that the Asians do just creates more mystic about a simple game of patterns. Play PB Andre version and we'll make the Casinos go broke

[Andre Chass]

Unbelievable! Something very, very, very rare!!!

I was very confident and I ended up losing only $120 because I did not want to continue with the progression.

I need to be more cautious, otherwise I will lose all my self-confidenceand and my bankroll