I'm 25 year old Ukrainian immigrant. From 2004 I live in Italy and I hate roulette because I can't beat it.
When I found this forums, I was surprised how many free and useful info you can find between toons of other useless things.
First of all I want to ask ALL the most respected forumers WHY EVERYBODE IS TRYING TO BEAT ROULETTE USING A TABLE LAYOUT????
I think that table layout was created to increase the variance and to confuse people, also we can't even use a wheel layout because it alse created to confuse us.
If only and saint thing that we know is that : Live dealers MUST start spin from last number
WHY YOU DONT CONSIDER LAST NUMBER = ZERO, LAST NUMBER +1CLOCKWISE= 1, LAST NUMBER + 2 CLOCKWISE=2....and so on
A lot of systems on this forum works if we play POCKETS GAME and not roulette
What are statistics for number to repeat???
I'm not Bayes or Priyanka, but I think that chances of same number to repeat are less then statistics of zero to hit...
The beginning of holllllygrail lays in this fact! Because there are lessssss variance and randomness
CONCLUSION
LAST NUMBER = ZERO
I attached my playing table, and divisor. As you can see it's only clockwise (because I'm lazy, and I have a full time work so not much time for roulette, also there is less variance and randomness if we consider only one direction of spins). From this table we can make our own dozens and my favourite QUADS. Quads can be used with Priyanka's cycle.xlsx, betting only cycles length 3, with any even chances strategy.
I tried to code some systems with Rx using pockets but it's tooo difficult for me cause lack of time.
I want to make clear that my target is to make better life for people around me an not for myself. If people around me will be happy, I would be the happiest...
Praline....
I have frisked you and you seem clean. Italian IP usually from 2 locations....no other names on the forum
LOL.......I am getting paranoid.
WELCOME !!!
FOR G.U.T. LOVERS and haters
TRY THIS WHITH GUT And say " Thanks" to great WINKEL
Thanks Turner.
IP from home and one from phone( I'm a driver, so when I have a free minute I check for new posts and replies)
Divisor intrigued me
I am a lanky fan
I never learned it thoroughly
zero to hit and any number hitng back to back probability is the same
Quote from: praline on Jun 02, 06:52 PM 2016
I want to make clear that my target is to make better life for people around me an not for myself. If people around me will be happy, I would be the happiest...
Good man
Consider me a follower
Quote from: maestro on Jun 02, 07:03 PM 2016zero to hit and any number hitng back to back probability is the same
Can't disagree. But I would encourage you to try any "almost working system" with pockets instead of wheel or table layouts.
I sometimes do this ..... wait new dealer...count pockets between spun nrs. I'm mostly track +/- 15 spins. Then look if you see a pattern or something. ... then start betting flat or with mild progression. Mostly it's around 10 or 18 pockets.
:thumbsup:
If ithe wheel is fair then the table layout, wheel layout or pockets have identical chances. When some pattern forming in the wheel, such as a hot sector, appears chaotic on the mat, the opposite is also valid: when the ball drops everywhere around the wheel and there´s apparently not one group of neighbours to bet on, chances are one particular EC, one dozen or a DS might be hitting like crazy. None of these methods of play have an edge over the others, unless there´s some form of dealer´s signature. I´ve seen dealer´s that almost constantly hit more on one half of the wheel, while others prefer the C column. IMO a system that would rely on all of the above might be worthier than one that relied on jest one of those things I mentioned (sorry can´t explain it any better lol).
That's what I meant. ... counting pockets to see if the dealer spins a certain pattern.
Cw wheel only
I saw 91 progression here on splits...I should try but so far I never got that many steps...
8)
Quote from: praline on Jun 02, 07:09 PM 2016
Can't disagree. But I would encourage you to try any "almost working system" with pockets instead of wheel or table layouts.
Can you give an example of how we can adapt a system for use with your clockwise method?
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Quote from: praline on Jun 02, 06:52 PM 2016
I attached my playing table, and divisor. As you can see it's only clockwise (because I'm lazy, and I have a full time work so not much time for roulette, also there is less variance and randomness if we consider only one direction of spins). From this table we can make our own dozens and my favourite QUADS. Quads can be used with Priyanka's cycle.xlsx, betting only cycles length 3, with any even chances strategy.
I tried to code some systems with Rx using pockets but it's tooo difficult for me cause lack of time.
I want to make clear that my target is to make better life for people around me an not for myself. If people around me will be happy, I would be the happiest...
Very very smart idea, something I suspect not thought of.
Here's a test I did over 100K spins x 2:
Data set 1
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 60
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 69
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 61
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 77
=267
Number 0 > Clockwise 17 = 73
Number 0 > Clockwise 18 = 82
Number 0 > Clockwise 19 = 64
Number 0 > Clockwise 20 = 70
=289
Number 0 > Clockwise 33 = 82
Number 0 > Clockwise 34 = 79
Number 0 > Clockwise 35 = 75
Number 0 > Clockwise 36 = 77
=313
Data set 2
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 75
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 73
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 68
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 75
=291
Number 0 > Clockwise 17 = 64
Number 0 > Clockwise 18 = 74
Number 0 > Clockwise 19 = 80
Number 0 > Clockwise 20 = 71
=289
Number 0 > Clockwise 33 = 76
Number 0 > Clockwise 34 = 54
Number 0 > Clockwise 35 = 78
Number 0 > Clockwise 36 = 73
=281
I don't see any pattern? :question:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 04, 08:46 PM 2016
Here's a test I did over 100K spins x 2:
Data set 1
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 60
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 69
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 61
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 77
=267
Number 0 > Clockwise 17 = 73
Number 0 > Clockwise 18 = 82
Number 0 > Clockwise 19 = 64
Number 0 > Clockwise 20 = 70
=289
Number 0 > Clockwise 33 = 82
Number 0 > Clockwise 34 = 79
Number 0 > Clockwise 35 = 75
Number 0 > Clockwise 36 = 77
=313
Data set 2
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 75
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 73
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 68
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 75
=291
Number 0 > Clockwise 17 = 64
Number 0 > Clockwise 18 = 74
Number 0 > Clockwise 19 = 80
Number 0 > Clockwise 20 = 71
=289
Number 0 > Clockwise 33 = 76
Number 0 > Clockwise 34 = 54
Number 0 > Clockwise 35 = 78
Number 0 > Clockwise 36 = 73
=281
I don't see any pattern? :question:
Step 1- shut down PC
Step 2- call friend
Step 3- goto pub
Try testing this following the dealer. This should create an edge based on dealer signiture. If the last number hit was 10 numbers clockwise from the previous spin, then bet the next spin to be 10 numbers clockwise as well....also bet the 8 numbers to the left and right of that one.
This could only work on a live table, not rng. Would be interesting to see the results from testing this.
Why would there be a pattern ?
The only thing relevant would be knowing where the ball was released and if the dealer had a pattern or signature,etc.
Without knowing the release number - knowing the ending number is like trying to solve a puzzle with only 1/2 of the pieces. Waste of time.
Quote from: denzie on Jun 03, 04:31 AM 2016That's what I meant. ... counting pockets to see if the dealer spins a certain pattern.
Counting pockets from the last spun number to the present one ?
It won't matter, unless you know where on the wheel the dealer released the ball from.
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 04, 09:35 PM 2016This should create an edge based on dealer signiture. If the last number hit was 10 numbers clockwise from the previous spin, then bet the next spin to be 10 numbers clockwise as well....also bet the 8 numbers to the left and right of that one.
Irrelevant unless you know the release point when the dealer let the ball go.
Quote from: praline on Jun 02, 06:57 PM 2016
FOR G.U.T. LOVERS and haters
TRY THIS WHITH GUT And say " Thanks" to great WINKEL
Interesting post. But how do you use G.U.T for this? Do you have some examples?
-Tuddilue
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 04, 10:03 PM 2016
Why would there be a pattern ?
The only thing relevant would be knowing where the ball was released and if the dealer had a pattern or signature,etc.
Without knowing the release number - knowing the ending number is like trying to solve a puzzle with only 1/2 of the pieces. Waste of time.
Counting pockets from the last spun number to the present one ?
It won't matter, unless you know where on the wheel the dealer released the ball from.
I've tried counting the pockets. .... and some dealers spin a looooot the same. I would bet only 1 number.
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 04, 09:35 PM 2016
Try testing this following the dealer. This should create an edge based on dealer signiture. If the last number hit was 10 numbers clockwise from the previous spin, then bet the next spin to be 10 numbers clockwise as well....also bet the 8 numbers to the left and right of that one.
This could only work on a live table, not rng. Would be interesting to see the results from testing this.
No difference/edge:
17 numbers / 37 = 46% chance of winning
2314 wins / 5000 games = 46% chance of winning
(link:://s33.postimg.org/a7awu0t1b/clockwise.png)
(see attached)
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 05, 09:30 AM 2016
No difference/edge:
17 numbers / 37 = 46% chance of winning
2314 wins / 5000 games = 46% chance of winning
(link:://s33.postimg.org/a7awu0t1b/clockwise.png)
(see attached)
1 number only.
I'll say it in a different way....what is the average of pockets in between spins ?
Now if you got that number....now what is the longest it takes to got a hit ?
Let's say from all your data...the average of pockets is 13.....now how many spins it toke maximum to get a hit ?
falkor if you are so keen in testing it why dont you have a look on CW pisitions you done.....on your set you post starting from 17 you have<CW11,CW2,CW18,CW29,CW24,CW11>....CW11 IS REPEAT....can you code it and see if does any beter just thought
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 04, 08:46 PM 2016
Here's a test I did over 100K spins x 2:
Data set 1
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 60
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 69
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 61
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 77
=267
What exactly does this mean ? Clockwise 1 =69.... it went 69 spins before 1 gap in between last number gotta hit?
Quote from: denzie on Jun 05, 10:02 AM 2016
1 number only.
I'll say it in a different way....what is the average of pockets in between spins ?
Now if you got that number....now what is the longest it takes to got a hit ?
Let's say from all your data...the average of pockets is 13.....now how many spins it toke maximum to get a hit ?
The average for clockwise is the same as playing normal roulette numbers: 0 to 36 = 18
The average count for each clockwise is also the same as normal roulette numbers: 1 in 37
How many spins max to get a hit? Well, it's the same as sleepers: about 500 for clockwise 18 or number 18, right?
Quote from: maestro on Jun 05, 10:26 AM 2016
falkor if you are so keen in testing it why dont you have a look on CW pisitions you done.....on your set you post starting from 17 you have<CW11,CW2,CW18,CW29,CW24,CW11>....CW11 IS REPEAT....can you code it and see if does any beter just thought
Will be the same as normal roulette numbers, right? We expect a repeat around spin 7.
Quote from: denzie on Jun 05, 10:57 AM 2016
What exactly does this mean ? Clockwise 1 =69.... it went 69 spins before 1 gap in between last number gotta hit?
Any time Number 0 hit during the 100K spins, the very next spin turned clockwise by 1 pocket for 69 times out of all the times the last number was 0. Even if stayed in the same pocket between spins (0 > 0 or 18 > 18), my data showed that the 2 spins were independent.
Independent yes....but 69 is easily beaten right
I tried playing both Numbers based on values and based on CW, but there doesn't appear to be any dependence - it's simply another case of variance being diluted ala parallel ECs. So I don't see any advantage to playing CW. Case closed?
Quote from: denzie on Jun 05, 11:54 AM 2016
Independent yes....but 69 is easily beaten right
?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 04, 10:03 PM 2016Why would there be a pattern ?
The only thing relevant would be knowing where the ball was released and if the dealer had a pattern or signature,etc.
Without knowing the release number - knowing the ending number is like trying to solve a puzzle with only 1/2 of the pieces. Waste of time.
Actually we know what would be a release number +\- 3. New spin always starts from last pocket
Could anybody explain me why I can't post a reply on random thoughts topic
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.msg161551;topicseen#msg161551
Thanks
Quote from: praline on Jul 21, 11:33 AM 2016
Could anybody explain me why I can't post a reply on random thoughts topic
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.msg161551;topicseen#msg161551
Thanks
Because you must ask to be added to those that are deemed sub human species by steve or a moderator
Thanks RG :thumbsup:
I thought I can contribute to those THOUGHTS... But I don't have a site with "WINNING strategy"
Quote from: praline on Jul 21, 11:25 AM 2016Actually we know what would be a release number +\- 3. New spin always starts from last pocket
Actually, not everywhere. For example, in the US they do not even attempt to release from the last number because the wheel spins the same direction on each spin.
Watching to see where the ball is released isn't very efficient. It's more effective to let the ball make a few revs and then view the number below it at some specific location on the bowl.
Dear, General. I'm from Europe. I play only online roulette with life dealers or air all, and the ball is always released from last pocket. But as you understand that release iis always afterr time is out. So I can't p!ay visual ballistic method. Thanks for your reply .
Hey I'm making friends here :girl_to:
Praline,
Online play is a hapless venture. You have to be lucky in order to win, and you need luck to actually get paid.
Quote from: The General on Jul 21, 12:17 PM 2016
Praline,
Online play is a hapless venture. You have to be lucky in order to win, and you need luck to actually get paid.
.
But general that is not true. I'm also mostly playing online. I have never had any problems. You need to choose the wright online casino.
-Tuddilue
He obviously thinks he knows everything. he is in the US like me
He does not realize there are legitamete online casinos that are regulated overseas.
Quote from: The General on Jul 21, 12:17 PM 2016you need luck to actually get paid.
That's a load of crap
Quote from: The General on Jul 21, 12:17 PM 2016
Praline,
Online play is a hapless venture. You have to be lucky in order to win, and you need luck to actually get paid.
Correct post, I agree 100%. :thumbsup:
Ken
Denzie you'd be surprised. Ive lost count of online casinos that have permanently locked accounts and seized funds..... just for suspicion of breaking rules. Even without making one bet. And often they dont even give reasons, and ignore you. Yes Im serious.
If I had to estimate, I expect you'd have problems getting payouts with around 70% of online casinos, just for a small amount of professional play. And about 80% for more obvious advantage play. The rest will apply countermeasures more stringently until you lose or stop playing. Again it comes down to knowing how to avoid detection.
If anyone doesnt believe me, either you havent been winning, havent behaved in any way that may seriously threatened the casinos money, or havent tried many online casinos. Its really as bad as Im saying. Some online casinos even forbid progression because you might get lucky and win a lot. So the problems arent just AP, but crtain behavior will get their attention.
Real casinos are very different.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 01, 07:53 AM 2016
"Some online casinos even forbid progression because you might get lucky and win a lot."
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When I was a rookie player, I played on-line at Intercasino (real money). I was doing long progressions. Very odd how almost always when I was getting DEEP into the progression, I was disconnected (lol). Kind of strange, hey? That to me is a FORM of cheating.
Ken
Quote from: tuddilue on Jul 21, 12:22 PM 2016
But general that is not true. I'm also mostly playing online. I have never had any problems. You need to choose the wright online casino.
-Tuddilue
Agree with this comment. Finding honest online casinos can be a job in itself.
Quote from: paulee on Aug 01, 09:21 PM 2016
Agree with this comment. Finding honest online casinos can be a job in itself.
I never had any issues. Maybe I didn't win enough to be banned or whatever. Just play the ones supported by the gaming commission. ...... easy :thumbsup:
One of the biggest is William Hill, and I've had more complaints about them than any other. What they routinely do is ban players from live roulette, but you can play rng, slots and junk. They are very responsive to ban, so they know a vulnerable game.
As suspected not supported and blocked by our commission. Just as betfair. Iow stay away