Maybe the title is a little over the top, but many of you are still in doubt about the reality of precognition. Well here is evidence!
In the previous MPR before the reset I managed to scored 1.14 winrate after 800 spins.
Currently, using the leaderboard (link:://:.rouletteplayers.org/leaderboard);
If you eliminate all players with less than 50 spins, and reorder by winrate you will see that I have two accounts both in the top 4 out of a total of 27 players.
(position 1st). pmiles - 1.23 winrate with 202 spins
(postion 4th). precogmiles - 1.13 winrate with 390 spins
If I got those results with just one account, you might claim I got lucky, that is why I made two accounts, one bet small the other betting large. And as you can see both have got higher than the expected winrate (0.97) and I've never reset by bank balance.
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The more spins I do will not prove anything in regards to precognition, I could do a million spins and would still get above expected chance. It's up to you what you want to believe but I think the evidence is now conclusive! :twisted: :twisted:
Not doubting your results here but I am curious why anyone in the world would play on that crap software.
wonder who's 2nd
I believe precog is real. But testing a statistically significant amount of spins is difficult because you cant use automatic testing software for high volume testing. I think we all have the ability and its just a matter of proper development.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 25, 04:16 PM 2018The more spins I do will not prove anything in regards to precognition, I could do a million spins and would still get above expected chance.
Oh really? C'mon then, forget about 1 million, lets see you do say 2000 spins with one of your accounts then we will compare your win rate.
And if you are content to declare yourself the winner after relatively so few spins, then why would you remove the results of those players with 50 spins or less?
Precog cherry picking I call it. Classic Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.
on a side note, of course 5000+ is notto. As if we didn't know, lol.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 07:05 PM 2018
I believe precog is real. But testing a statistically significant amount of spins is difficult because you cant use automatic testing software for high volume testing. I think we all have the ability and its just a matter of proper development.
I must've missed missed your post with your stipulation for me, Steve. We should chat.
Moxy, the "outide the box" board is specifically for roads less traveled. It includes precog, which I believe is very real. Ive said many times I believe it has greater potential than even roulette computers.
See link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18276.0 (I just havent had time for further testing).
Ive also been in contact with a group that develops precognition enhancers. They measure physiological changes from the subconscious mind to enhance precog. I suggested they assess cardio cycles too because from what I understand, your heart knows best.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 08:45 PM 2018
Moxy, the "outide the box" board is specifically for roads less traveled. It includes precog, which I believe is very real. Ive said many times I believe it has greater potential than even roulette computers.
See link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18276.0 (I just havent had time for further testing).
Ive also been in contact with a group that develops precognition enhancers. They measure physiological changes from the subconscious mind to enhance precog. I suggested they assess cardio cycles too because from what I understand, your heart knows best.
Uh... Woops, I just wanted to catch you with your latest post. We had a different discussion a while back that I am interested in continuing.
I also believe in precognition, esp, telekinesis. All that fun stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if PCM is the real deal. But digressing, I want to give you my pitch either here or pm. What other forum is more fitting for it. Skirting the issue gets you (me) no where, I learned.
Discuss it here, but maybe start a new thread depending on its relevance. There are plenty of forums for just about everything anyway, but I have had an interest in this for a long time.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 09:03 PM 2018
Discuss it here, but maybe start a new thread depending on its relevance. There are plenty of forums for just about everything anyway, but I have had an interest in this for a long time.
I have a 2 to 1 hit rate
flat betting EC no skip which is by all accounts very high (.66666 pct). I have another method that is even more accurate but more mental work. I have another that defies physics. All these are outside the box, yet tangible. Most importantly, it's accessible to most. It's my work that I would potentially be willing to part with for no less than a couple (us) million dollars. I will be willing to discuss more (real world applications: forex, stocks, sports betting, etc) but now you know where I stand.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 25, 09:29 PM 2018I have another method that is even more accurate but more mental work.
Im all ears.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 25, 09:29 PM 2018I have another that defies physics.
If something appears to defy physics, then your understanding of physics is wrong. Physics is just how things work, however that may be.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 25, 09:29 PM 2018It's my work that I would potentially be willing to part with for no less than a couple (us) million dollars.
You can have my experience with this kind of thing at no cost. I'm not interested to profit from it.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 25, 09:29 PM 2018I will be willing to discuss more (real world applications: forex, stocks, sports betting, etc) but now you know where I stand.
The precog software is real world application. I just havent had time to properly do something with it.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 09:35 PM 2018
Im all ears.
If something appears to defy physics, then your understanding of physics is wrong. Physics is just how things work, however that may be.
I am interested in your response to my offer. All this requires zero study of the any wheel and possibly stock market chart, forex chart, insider sport scoops, etc. It's all contained in itself. I can further describe the physics of it to you if you are interested.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 09:37 PM 2018
You can have my experience with this kind of thing at no cost. I'm not interested to profit from it.
The precog software is real world application. I just havent had time to properly do something with it.
This is the reason you started this forum to have something accessible and much, much easier to access than what you had hence your offer. Why do you think I am here. This is mechanical in every sense. This is for laymen. What else is there to say. What is hg then if not what I just described? What is this forum for then? It's contradiction.
Pre-cog software cannot be compared to what I have already. This is it. If you are scared to find out then please just tell me.
Seeing it for yourself, you will understand where I'm coming from.
Moxy, it appears you are offering me valuable secrets to win with precognition. Your asking price is $1m. Is this correct?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 09:52 PM 2018
Moxy, it appears you are offering me valuable secrets to win with precognition. Your asking price is $1m. Is this correct?
It is not precognition. Precognition is a crap shoot in a sense. This is concretely tested. It is for laymen. Hence the value of it. When I said it defied physics that was a euphemism. It's hard to define. As I said before a true hg would range from 10 mill to priceless. But I am willing to talk.
I have a template that just have to memorize. That is the basis of it all. That's the beauty of it.
How could you prove its value, without revealing the secrets?
Nobody is going to spend $1m without knowing for sure.
And if it's that good, havent you made your millions yet?
Also, I have no problem working for you. It's a win/win situation. You're expertise in computers, logistics, coding, etc, and my IP.
If the market is truly random then I am confident it will work for it too just like any other random outcome.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 10:03 PM 2018
How could you prove its value, without revealing the secrets?
Nobody is going to spend $1m without knowing for sure.
And if it's that good, havent you made your millions yet?
Like you said, in escrow, as long as I prove it to you. I'm putting myself on the line here because you still have to be convinced by it which you will be. I'm not a hustler. You should know that. And my offer is more than a mill.
A true hg should be worth millions anyway so, I am not missing out on earnings if I were to go play myself, so selling it is legit stance. It's not a sham.
How would you prove it to me?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 11:26 PM 2018
How would you prove it to me?
With all due respect you were always the one with the stipulation as you stated. It's all in plain english, no vagaries.
I have some notable people that I think are interested. You were one of them for awhile now.
You are the one selling something. I asked you how you would prove effectiveness. You answer that with "With all due respect you were always the one with the stipulation as you stated. It's all in plain english, no vagaries."
Without proof, I'm not interested.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 11:59 PM 2018
You are the one selling something. I asked you how you would prove effectiveness. You answer that with "With all due respect you were always the one with the stipulation as you stated. It's all in plain english, no vagaries."
Without proof, I'm not interested.
I was being polite. Do you want me to fly out to Australia? Do you want me to test MPR? Do you want to skype it? Anything. Anytime. Anywhere. I just have to get a passport, though. I will test it till your hearts content. Although, if you come here, I assure you, it won't be for naught.
How come you never asked me to test it on MPR? If anything, I'd figure you'd ask me that by now.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 26, 12:04 AM 2018How come you never asked me to test it on MPR? If anything, I'd figure you'd ask me that by now.
too slow
Actually yes, testing on mpr would be a good start. It would just take a while to get a statistically relevant amount of spins. But if you are clearly beating others then that's better than your word alone, then we can look at taking it further. Just let me know your username before you start.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 01:08 AM 2018Just let me know your username before you start.
How about, moxy?
Then we can all watch and see... after all, I've got a million bucks too you know.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 01:08 AM 2018
Actually yes, testing on mpr would be a good start. It would just take a while to get a statistically relevant amount of spins. But if you are clearly beating others then that's better than your word alone, then we can look at taking it further. Just let me know your username before you start.
For the record, I used to play casino software rng and I am certain they cheat after the fact of you making a wager. You couldn't win at all. I only use Random.org and Betvoyager as trusted sites in which I don't even wager, just paper play, just in case the latter cheats too.
I'm just gun shy ever since I've been cheated over. So I hope you do not have any reason to code it to cheat us with improper math or anything. And I assume it is live numbers with no repeat sessions.
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 26, 01:20 AM 2018
How about, moxy?
Then we can all watch and see... after all, I've got a million bucks too you know.
10 mill or so. But we can negotiate. 8)
Moxy I already published the spin file encrypted, so you know I dont cheat. The numbers are whatever they are. I'll give the password when the spin file is complete.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 01:40 AM 2018
Moxy I already published the spin file encrypted, so you know I dont cheat. The numbers are whatever they are. I'll give the password when the spin file is complete.
Ok, as long as the program is legit with its math then it's cool. Also, you keep mentioning 1 million when I did clearly state the offer was at least a couple million. Just throwing that in there.
First show me, then we can talk more.
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 25, 07:51 PM 2018
Oh really? C'mon then, forget about 1 million, lets see you do say 2000 spins with one of your accounts then we will compare your win rate.
And if you are content to declare yourself the winner after relatively so few spins, then why would you remove the results of those players with 50 spins or less?
Precog cherry picking I call it. Classic Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.
on a side note, of course 5000+ is notto. As if we didn't know, lol.
Didn’t you read my original post? I made 2 accounts exactly because I knew some skeptics would claim it was luck.
And I actually have done over a 1000 spins already. If you add up all 3 accounts (including the one before the reset) It’s 838 + 202 + 390 = 1430 spins.
And to be honest even if I did over 2000 or 20000 or even 200 million there will always be a skeptic demanding I need to do more spins.
I don’t have the time or energy to do more spins and I won’t. My aim was to show the possibility of precognition and I have demonstrated that even after the game was reset.
Whoever wants to believe can, it is up to them.
Btw I thought you even believe in telekinesis so why are you against my results?
I didn't say I was against your results, I said you were cherry picking your results, which IMO doesn't help your cause.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 26, 08:23 AM 2018
Didn’t you read my original post? I made 2 accounts exactly because I knew some skeptics would claim it was luck.
And I actually have done over a 1000 spins already. If you add up all 3 accounts (including the one before the reset) It’s 838 + 202 + 390 = 1430 spins.
And to be honest even if I did over 2000 or 20000 or even 200 million there will always be a skeptic demanding I need to do more spins.
I don’t have the time or energy to do more spins and I won’t. My aim was to show the possibility of precognition and I have demonstrated that even after the game was reset.
Whoever wants to believe can, it is up to them.
Btw I thought you even believe in telekinesis so why are you against my results?
You are good on MPR only 308$ +
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 26, 08:34 AM 2018
I didn't say I was against your results, I said you were cherry picking your results, which IMO doesn't help your cause.
How exactly am I cherry picking my results?
The reason I eliminated 50 spins and below is because of people claiming spin size is an issue.
You are being hypocritical, on the one hand claiming my 1400+ spins is too small and on the other hand demanding to know why I removed those with 50 and less spins? Make your mind up!
These are the most reasonable and manageable (for me) results for those that are interested in knowing the validity of precognition. Pay me $1 million and I will do a further 2000 spins just for your pleasure. Until then believe what you want.
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Jun 26, 10:29 AM 2018
You are good on MPR only 308$ +
Can't you read?
The table shows my bank roll.
I am up $10046 from both accounts combined.
pmiles account is up $9738 from just 202 spins.
Yes I am very good. Thanks. :twisted:
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 26, 09:26 AM 2018
He does not need any of that with all my respect for what he says.
You have ways to win like MR J, VADDIS OR TURBO. At the moment I have not seen anything better than that.
regards
With all due respect, you can not beat roulette using a system.
With all due respect... even your hero MRJ said ;
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2969.msg65219#msg65219
QuoteH) Be creative and think outside the box. The goofier the idea for a winning method, the more likely it'll produce NICE PROFITS. You can NOT think like everyone else !!!!!
With all due respect....Turbo needs to prove his method on MPR and stop making excuses.
With all due respect...why has VADDIS disappeared?
With all due respect.... if your method is better than prove it on MPR
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Updated winrate leaderboard with 61 players.
:thumbsup:
honourable mention to slowmo who tops the other leaderboard and comes in 5th here. slowmo claims to use intuition and does not use a system as well.
i do believe humans have the ability to do this
with all due respect your amount bet vs amount won, wouldnt it be a LOT more ?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 13, 06:42 PM 2018
i do believe humans have the ability to do this
with all due respect your amount bet vs amount won, wouldnt it be a LOT more ?
I think it improves with practice. You can't expect an armature athlete to break world records. We have to be realistic with our expectations. I have seen some pros get consistent results day in day out way above average so I know it is possible.
But with all these system players around, they should find these results shocking. The top of the leaderboard is held by players using intuition.
Quotehonourable mention to slowmo who tops the other leaderboard and comes in 5th here. slowmo claims to use intuition and does not use a system as well.
Thanks, ‹(•¿•)› SlowMo ‹(•¿•)› is my second player...
... and yes, only intuition. 8)
Quote from: Normy2000 on Aug 13, 07:36 PM 2018
Thanks, ‹(•¿•)› SlowMo ‹(•¿•)› is my second player...
... and yes, only intuition. 8)
You’re welcome.
Seems like you have natural talent of intuition when it comes to roulette. Have you been using any particular method to help with your intuition?
My intuition tells me slowmo won't be playing much roulette now that he's reached 1st place...must have totally lost it, lol.
Updated winrate leaderboard....
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I think you can guess who pwithp is. :lol: :xd: :xd: when will these skeptics stop living in denial? :twisted:
And also pmiles is still in the top 3.
Again, an honorable mention to Normy2000 (EasyGoing) who tops the other leaderboard using just intuition. This is his second time topping the other leaderboard.
What the ***?? :o THIS is the leaderboard ?
Winrate alone does not make you no.1, as steve said? other things matter? ---
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 12, 02:29 PM 2018
What the ***?? :o THIS is the leaderboard ?
Winrate alone does not make you no.1, as steve said? other things matter? ---
haha, I am not taking anything away from other leaderboard.
But it does not make any sense how someone who has a lower winrate and has reset their bank roll many times can be above someone with a high winrate and who still has their original bankroll.
Not sure what your goal is
Promote precognition ?
Promote yourself ?
Poor approach that worsened everything
Other then your antics is the latest entertainment on steves forum
Your lack of math doesn't help
Sorry, have to speak my mind
Not arrogance
You got our attention
The standards of skeptism has gone a few levels up
You have destroyed everything that steve has done for precog
Too bad you don't realise it
Watch Henry Fonda's performance in 12 angry men
Or read about Joseph Goebbels work
Steve, I am not knocking precog
I don't write off anything prematurely
It has to be done the proper way
Else the stand up comedy is the forest
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 12, 02:35 PM 2018But it does not make any sense how someone who has a lower winrate and has reset their bank roll many times can be above someone with a high winrate and who still has their original bankroll.
Ive explained the algorithm many times. I openly published it for criticism, and anyone could have suggested something better. Nobody did.
If someone has a genuine 5% edge over 1000 spins, and someone else got lucky with a bad system and profited as if they had a 20% edge with just 500 spins, the second player would probably rank higher. This would be correct.
Every possible algorithm will probably have a situation where something is not quite right. For example, if we rank on win rate alone, then someone with 10 spins could out-rank a player with the HG. And it would encourage a lot of duplicate account.
The spins played, the amount bet, amount won, amount lost all contribute to the win rate and ranking. I believe it is the most balanced and fair algorithm, but it should apply only to the top 10 or so players. The other rankings cant be accurate without more data.
If someone wants to suggest a better algorithm, I'm all ears.
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 12, 10:07 PM 2018
Not sure what your goal is
Promote precognition ?
Promote yourself ?
Poor approach that worsened everything
Other then your antics is the latest entertainment on steves forum
Your lack of math doesn't help
Sorry, have to speak my mind
Not arrogance
You got our attention
The standards of skeptism has gone a few levels up
You have destroyed everything that steve has done for precog
Too bad you don't realise it
Watch Henry Fonda's performance in 12 angry men
Or read about Joseph Goebbels work
Steve, I am not knocking precog
I don't write off anything prematurely
It has to be done the proper way
Else the stand up comedy is the forest
You sound very bitter and seem like Just another arrogant skeptic from the looks of it.
If you are serious about trying to understand precognition and other psi phenomena go do the research. I can provide you with links if you would like.
I am still not going to do a million trails for you, just to make you convinced.
The purpose of this pwithp account was to test what progression would work best with my precog abilities.
Wake up from the darkness of materialism. Stop being bitter be happy for me.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 13, 01:02 AM 2018
You sound very bitter and seem like Just another arrogant skeptic from the looks of it.
If you are serious about trying to understand precognition and other psi phenomena go do the research. I can provide you with links if you would like.
I am still not going to do a million trails for you, just to make you convinced.
The purpose of this pwithp account was to test what progression would work best with my precog abilities.
Wake up from the darkness of materialism. Stop being bitter be happy for me.
Ofc I am happy for you
About bitter, you can try other words like negative, naysayer, jealous, hater, loser.......
On your offer of links, I prefer to be late on this one
No thanks
Quote from: Steve on Oct 12, 10:38 PM 2018
Ive explained the algorithm many times. I openly published it for criticism, and anyone could have suggested something better. Nobody did.
If someone has a genuine 5% edge over 1000 spins, and someone else got lucky with a bad system and profited as if they had a 20% edge with just 500 spins, the second player would probably rank higher. This would be correct.
Every possible algorithm will probably have a situation where something is not quite right. For example, if we rank on win rate alone, then someone with 10 spins could out-rank a player with the HG. And it would encourage a lot of duplicate account.
The spins played, the amount bet, amount won, amount lost all contribute to the win rate and ranking. I believe it is the most balanced and fair algorithm, but it should apply only to the top 10 or so players. The other rankings cant be accurate without more data.
If someone wants to suggest a better algorithm, I'm all ears.
You’re right there will never be a perfect system.
The winrate table above uses the top 100 from the original leaderboard, removes anyone with less than 100 spins and orders by winrate.
One suggestion is to color code the rows by winrate
Red for any player below 0.97
Orange for players between 0.98 and 0.97
Green for players between 1.10 and 0.98
Gold for players above 1.10
This will allow anyone to see how viable the players strategy is. This will also make it clear for example that while a player might be ranked in the top 30 they infact have lost money.
Just a more visually informative way since the table does not have filters.
Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 13, 01:19 AM 2018
Ofc I am happy for you
About bitter, you can try other words like negative, naysayer, jealous, hater, loser.......
On your offer of links, I prefer to be late on this one
No thanks
Then good day to you too sir. :thumbsup:
So we've got pwithp on 500 spins, and pmiles on 200 spins. Why no mention of this guy on a more reliable 9000 spins?
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Quote from: Steve on Oct 12, 10:38 PM 2018Every possible algorithm will probably have a situation where something is not quite right. For example, if we rank on win rate alone, then someone with 10 spins could out-rank a player with the HG. And it would encourage a lot of duplicate account.
This is true, there will always be situations when, temporarily at least, the ranking method doesn't reflect an edge, but it should be designed to reflect the edge IMO, so I think the formula should be profit or loss divided by the total stakes currently bet. This gives the true edge and it's irrelevant whether you use a progression. Perhaps if people saw this they wouldn't sacrifice bet selection to money management.
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 13, 03:43 AM 2018
So we've got pwithp on 500 spins, and pmiles on 200 spins. Why no mention of this guy on a more reliable 9000 spins?
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Hahahaha because I use that as my test account. I do not practice precog on that account.
pcm is actually a good example of why I focus on winrate. I have reset my bankroll multiple times on that account, have a winrate only slightly above the average and I am in 16th position.
Oh, right. :yawn:
update for the winrate leaderboard...
All players with a more than 200 spins and winrate of 1.0 or higher. Ranked by winrate
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Do you see a pattern here?
Totals
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Bankroll: 63722
Spins: 1854
A. Bet: 133417
A. Won: 167589
Winrate: 1.31438522
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but these are hardcore facts.
Congrats Pre!
I hope you can briefly explain how you play.
Perhaps a fictional session description play by play as an example.
You do mention you have a template or a word to that degree
could you describe "it"
it cant be tested on RX, only through personal spin by spin decision "making"
so only the "lucky" winners would succeed with it anyway
looking forward to your reply
I do believe in precog, but one of the problems with testing is it takes too long to get a statistically relevant sample to prove anything properly.
I believe precognition, TK, and PK will be achieved at some point in the future of human development. I don't believe we have got there at the present time. Do you have an example from MPR that may indicate otherwise ?! ;)
Steve, you're not tempted to tap into this guys powers yet?
Quote from: amk on Feb 22, 05:19 PM 2019
Congrats Pre!
I hope you can briefly explain how you play.
Perhaps a fictional session description play by play as an example.
You do mention you have a template or a word to that degree
could you describe "it"
it cant be tested on RX, only through personal spin by spin decision "making"
so only the "lucky" winners would succeed with it anyway
looking forward to your reply
Thanks amk,
I am sorry I can't give you the method step by step. It took me a very long time to develop it and there is no guarantee it will work for you anyway.
But I can help you get started if you would like. Precognition is not a complex process, It's actually very simple. What is hard is the hours of practice needed in order to know when something feels right.
I would suggest you practice your skills using the following website link:s://psychicscience.org/esp3.aspx This will help you develop your abilities. Secondly you need to meditate and learn to calm and still your mind.
Some resources are;
Patanjalis yoga sutra,
esp induction through forms of self-hypnosis,
IONs institute,
'How did you know' by spin-geek aka kenny thompson
roulette warriors (on youtube) give some good advice
Many threads in this forum (i.e link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15635.0)
In regard to the method I use. While I can not tell you the precognition part I do combine my precog with forms of progression.
I sometimes bet large playing dozens with progression. or I bet small on finales and use an aggressive negative progression.
I would honestly advice you and everyone else not to play roulette until you have very strong precog abilities otherwise you are giving your money away to the casino.
Good luck!
Quote from: Steve on Feb 22, 05:27 PM 2019
I do believe in precog, but one of the problems with testing is it takes too long to get a statistically relevant sample to prove anything properly.
I agree. I guess it will just be one of those grey areas science really can't touch unless anyone is willing to sit down and conduct a million trials. But, there comes a point where you either believe or you don't.
Quote from: Firefox on Feb 22, 05:38 PM 2019
I believe precognition, TK, and PK will be achieved at some point in the future of human development. I don't believe we have got there at the present time. Do you have an example from MPR that may indicate otherwise ?! ;)
Yes I can give you an example. Do you mean like someone on MPR that has a high winrate?
Quote from: precogmiles on Feb 22, 07:06 PM 2019
Yes I can give you an example. Do you mean like someone on MPR that has a high winrate?
I'm just asking Steve the question. It was he who brought the subject of MPR up.
But if one could truly look into the future , I'd expect something really off the scale. Not something 5 or 6 SD out on 5000 trials.
So, I'm waiting with baited breath to see what ocurrs! Bearing in mind of course that certain previous protagonists have gamed and cheated MPR in order to "demonstrate" their "talents" :D
Quote from: precogmiles on Feb 22, 03:37 PM 2019
update for the winrate leaderboard...
All players with a more than 200 spins and winrate of 1.0 or higher. Ranked by winrate
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/22/source7487e.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/O8ZX9)
Do you see a pattern here?
Totals
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/02/22/source39c92.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/O8khZ)
Bankroll: 63722
Spins: 1854
A. Bet: 133417
A. Won: 167589
Winrate: 1.31438522
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but these are hardcore facts.
Go make your millions[with your own money].....Steve
Why hasn't he yet ?......Luckyfella
Best of luck you need it......Caleb
Quote from: Steve on Feb 22, 05:27 PM 2019
I do believe in precog, but one of the problems with testing is it takes too long to get a statistically relevant sample to prove anything properly.
..and that goes double for precog/roulette. I don't know why "we" are posting/boasting results of precog/roulette with spin samples that amount to nothing more than a weekend roulette binge.
Hi all
I have some real life experience in roulette that I cannot explain. Is this a very recurring coincidence in my life or is this evidence of precognition.
Sometimes I am sitting at the roulette table and reviewing all the bets I covered and for one reason or another I would think of a number I forgot to bet on. Say I am following a method/system that requires me to cover all repeats or all low red numbers but I missed one or I’m focussing on the zero whic I did not cover. Then I watch the wheel as it is spinning and I get this real sense in my stomach that the speed of the ball and the wheel are spinning at the right speed that coincides with my number I’m thinking of. And then bang my precognition turns true
Call it coincidence or not but it happens far too often for me to discard some sort of prophecy being played out even if only 2-5 seconds in the future
Having said that, Steve I think the tables are turned when you honestly believe you can build software that can provide you an advantage and yet you discard all merits of all the system builders that have come to this forum as promoting gamblers fallacy. I think you need to have an open mind to any approach being discussed. At the end of the day of coarse the math of a single spin of roulette is not in the gamblers favour. But put a system together whether flat betting or progression that plays to the limits of randomness rhenvthere has to be some merit compared to just guessing and throughing chips on the table hoping the ball will land on the one with the biggest pile
Cheers
Ricky
People boasting intuiton at MPR appear to have spin samples of a few hundred. This is not statistically significant. It is also possible to create multiple accounts there, trumpet the ones that win, and forget about the ones that lose.
Come on guys, give us credit for a bit of knowledge about gambling statistics, this is not fooling anyone. Take an account up to 25,000 spins. Absolutely crush the game. Be 10 SDs positive. It should be simple if you can read the future!
Quote from: Firefox on Feb 23, 03:32 AM 2019
People boasting intuiton at MPR appear to have spin samples of a few hundred. This is not statistically significant. It is also possible to create multiple accounts there, trumpet the ones that win, and forget about the ones that lose.
Come on guys, give us credit for a bit of knowledge about gambling statistics, this is not fooling anyone. Take an account up to 25,000 spins. Absolutely crush the game. Be 10 SDs positive. It should be simple if you can read the future!
Precisely. But I'm sure when they are having an 'off' day, there'll be just as many excuses as any system player hanging onto the belief that theres is the 'one' . how do you prove that it's powers of the unknown and not plain lucky guesswork? He uses a progression anyway, which will inflate any short term samples chance of winning.
Just leaving a foreign land with 250 euros of the casinos money. Played about 200-300 spins over 5 days. Had a struggle few days and fell behind but called it a night and win for house those days. But in the end I had a good streak of luck playing my system.
I’m sure I’ml be back to give it all back but it will be a while and in the meantime I get to invest it :twisted:
Cheers
Ricky
Quote from: Firefox on Feb 22, 05:38 PM 2019I don't believe we have got there at the present time. Do you have an example from MPR that may indicate otherwise ?! ;)
Mpr is a very small sample of earth. But i believe we all already have the latent ability, which surfaces every now and then. This is why the edge is usually only small. Probably there are people whi can do much better. But people with such consciousness are quite unlikely to care about roulette.
I have my beliefs from various sources, credible tests, and my own experiences.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 22, 06:17 PM 2019Steve, you're not tempted to tap into this guys powers yet?
Thats no more possible than tapping into someone's awareness. Again i think we all have the ability. But how many here have honestly given it proper development and work?
Quote from: luckyfella on Feb 22, 08:59 PM 2019Go make your millions[with your own money].....Steve
Why hasn't he yet ?......Luckyfella
Best of luck you need it......Caleb
Probably he has won a bit already. Does it prove it's legitimate? No. Like i said.
Ricky, the first part of what you said is common. Many players have such experiences. Are they or mind playing tricks, or something more? I believe both happens.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 23, 02:17 AM 2019you discard all merits of all the system builders that have come to this forum as promoting gamblers fallacy. I think you need to have an open mind to any approach being discussed
Heres what you're not understanding:
I do have an open mind. Much more open than most people.
The approaches i call gamblers fallacy have been tested extensively already. The people promoting them just don't understand it.
I don't say things dont work because of a close mind. I do it because the math, logic and tests are crystal clear. If someone says 1+1=3, and you say it doesn't, it's that because you don't have an open mind?
Testing a system thats supposed to work on rng is super simple. Just code large tests. You can't do that with precog.
The fallacy players show us their proof, which are short term results that seem to support them. The longer tests reveal the truth. Their response is usually something boneheaded like you will never play that many spins anyway
The fallacy players have a very poor understanding of basic math and probability. They don't even understand simple concepts, even when they are spelled out repeatedly.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 06:05 AM 2019
Testing a system thats supposed to work on rng is super simple. Just code large tests. You can't do that with precog.
You are correct. Especially the part about large sample test with rng or live spins.
You don't know that someone out there may possess the test results of large sample size(millions of spins) that show that their mechanical systems bet give a positive edge, right ? Keep an open mind
Quote from: luckyfella on Feb 23, 06:19 AM 2019You don't know that someone out there may possess the test results of large sample size(millions of spins) that show that their mechanical systems bet give a positive edge, right ? Keep an open mind
Sure thats possible. But im referring to cases when someone says garbage like the law of a third can give you a 1 in 20 hit rate.
There are so many problems with that. But the most conclusive is extensive tests that show each trial is independent, and repeaters are just basic probability coming from 1 in 37. It has been explained extensively. Let's not do it again.
Again if someone says 1+1=3 and you disagree, is it because you don't have an open mind?
Quote from: Steve on Feb 23, 06:39 AM 2019
Let's not do it again.
Ofc we should move on. Long time ago.
The ignorance in this thread reminds me of why I stopped posting on the forum. Firefox and buffalo can believe what they want, I don’t care to be honest. In fact, please don’t ever believe precog is possible. Good luck with your systems.
I will continue to win and get better.
And why are people hijacking threads to attack Steve?
Quote from: precogmiles on Feb 23, 07:24 AM 2019
I will continue to win and get better.
Have you not learnt ?
Make your millions. It's that simple.
@precogmiles, why are you taking several small duplicate accounts each up to a few hundred spins in profit and then claiming precognition?
Why not just take one account up to 25,000 spins or more with massive wins?
It's very easy to take an account up to a few hundred spins in profit either using natural luck in variance, or using a negative progression. Such that you reap short term profit before the huge draw down on your bank roll via the negative progression occurs, which we all know will happen. And its very easy to take a dupe account up to 100 spins or so and then abandon/disown them if the natural variance is initially negative or if your big drawdown occurs early.
Honestly, you are fooling nobody by doing this.
Quote from: Firefox on Feb 23, 08:04 AM 2019
@precogmiles, why are you taking several small duplicate accounts each up to a few hundred spins in profit and then claiming precognition?
Why not just take one account up to 25,000 spins or more with massive wins?
It's very easy to take an account up to a few hundred spins in profit either using natural luck in variance, or using a negative progression. Such that you reap short term profit before the huge draw down on your bank roll via the negative progression occurs, which we all know will happen. And its very easy to take a dupe account up to 100 spins or so and then abandon/disown them if the natural variance is initially negative or if your big drawdown occurs early.
Honestly, you are fooling nobody by doing this.
Let me make this clear... Your opinion is irrelevant. I already told you to please believe that precog is impossible and good luck with your systems.
10 SD? 25,000 spins? ....... are you serious? Do you honestly think I am going to waste my time doing 25,000 spins to prove myself to you or any other sceptic?
And again I don't care who believes me.... those who understand, UNDERSTAND!
Quote from: precogmiles on Feb 23, 08:49 AM 2019
Let me make this clear... Your opinion is irrelevant. I already told you to please believe that precog is impossible and good luck with your systems.
10 SD? 25,000 spins? ....... are you serious? Do you honestly think I am going to waste my time doing 25,000 spins to prove myself to you or any other sceptic?
And again I don't care who believes me.... those who understand, UNDERSTAND!
If someone said they'd be convinced and pay 2 mill for 25,000 spins, then hell yes I would give it to 'em.
If not then it proves you either
A) cant be bothered because you know its only luck . or
B) are filthy rich from seeing the future and so dont need peoples money (which seems strange because you kept asking people to buy your secrets for millions of dollars)
Hmmm
Guys, if you don't like it when Steve and Caleb come into our fallacy threads and piss on our heads, how about you don't go into their precog threads and do likewise? :twisted:
It's very similar...some will never be convinced about precog being possible, just as some will never believe that (for lack of a better term) random has limits.
Firefox and BW, you're not wrong, just as those using math as a basis for deconstructing fallacy methods are not wrong. But once you've said what you want to say, exit the thread, otherwise you risk just repeating yourself endlessly while the believers tune you out. :thumbsup:
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 23, 05:22 PM 2019
If someone said they'd be convinced and pay 2 mill for 25,000 spins, then hell yes I would give it to 'em.
If not then it proves you either
A) cant be bothered because you know its only luck . or
B) are filthy rich from seeing the future and so dont need peoples money (which seems strange because you kept asking people to buy your secrets for millions of dollars)
Hmmm
Well that just shows not everyone is as easily manipulated as you.
1) your opinion does not matter
2) you are a liar!... I will never tell anyone my method as it has taken me a long time to develop but yet you claim I am asking others to buy it? are you sick in the brain? or do you just pull random nonsense out of your stinking ass?
Quote from: precogmiles on Feb 23, 05:50 PM 2019
Well that just shows not everyone is as easily manipulated as you.
1) your opinion does not matter
2) you are a liar!... I will never tell anyone my method as it has taken me a long time to develop but yet you claim I am asking others to buy it? are you sick in the brain? or do you just pull random nonsense out of your stinking ass?
Miles don't get so worked up, they're just having a go at you. Keep doing your research and producing both good and bad results, all testing is good testing, I don't care where it comes from. :)
Quote from: Mako on Feb 23, 05:52 PM 2019
Miles don't get so worked up, they're just having a go at you. Keep doing your research and producing both good and bad results, all testing is good testing, I don't care where it comes from. :)
Thanks Mako, they seem to be sceptical just for the sake of it.
Quote from: Mako on Feb 23, 05:47 PM 2019
Guys, if you don't like it when Steve and Caleb come into our fallacy threads and piss on our heads, how about you don't go into their precog threads and do likewise? :twisted:
It's very similar...some will never be convinced about precog being possible, just as some will never believe that (for lack of a better term) random has limits.
Firefox and BW, you're not wrong, just as those using math as a basis for deconstructing fallacy methods are not wrong. But once you've said what you want to say, exit the thread, otherwise you risk just repeating yourself endlessly while the believers tune you out. :thumbsup:
Actually I believe precognition, PK, and remote viewing will become possible. If one looks into into string theory, different time lines, and parallel universes and also examine human brain activity, there's a hell of a lot we don't know. I don't believe they are possible at the moment, as our technology and our brains are not sufficiently advanced. But they will be, if we don't kill ourselves off with nuclear war or trash the planet in the meantime :smile:
And it's certainly clear that working a couple of sock accounts into profit after a few hundred spins is proof of any precognition existence.
As for people repeating themselves endlessly, that's what happens on forums. You know it! :twisted:
I'm certainly not rude or abusive, I just state a case.
Remote viewing has always fascinated me, particularly when the CIA and other military programs built around it were exposed decades after they were stopped, and the people leading them (mostly hardened officers who considered it "bullshit" before they were assigned to it) said it varied from "somewhat effective" to "highly effective".
I was shocked to hear that they had success, and in some cases incredible success.
Now, years later, we begin to learn about quantum entanglement, and are just taking our first baby steps into understanding that phenomenon, and you're right Firefox....eventually science may be able to validate some of the more "bullshit" mental endeavors that have been on the fringe for so long.
It's all very cool honestly.
There's somewhat contrasting opinions about the CIA psychic project Stargate though:
QuoteThe Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there was reason to suspect that its project managers had changed the reports so they would fit background cues.
Source and more info: link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project
Not to say it didn't have any merit, but my personal opinion is that it was very much before its time, and there's some time to go before that time comes. String theory and quantum theory has very much moved on since 1995. The development of AI may be part of the process to unlocking some of these secrets.
Quote from: amk on Feb 22, 05:19 PM 2019
Congrats Pre!
I hope you can briefly explain how you play.
Perhaps a fictional session description play by play as an example.
You do mention you have a template or a word to that degree
could you describe "it"
it cant be tested on RX, only through personal spin by spin decision "making"
so only the "lucky" winners would succeed with it anyway
looking forward to your reply
I've written a guide with various methods link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=25904.0
I'll just leave this here;
On a different public game, same results;
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Just 2 days playing rated game I was just having some fun with progression + Precog.
Why do all the HG posters only post screenshots of graphs?
I want to see photos of your mansion and Rolls Royce.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 15, 11:32 AM 2019
Why do all the HG posters only post screenshots of graphs?
I want to see photos of your mansion and Rolls Royce.
If I did that you would claim I rented out the mansion and the RR.
Plus I am more of a bentley man.
Do you have anything positive to contribute? all you seem to do is run around this forum trolling.
Precog,
How many standard deviations above the normal are your prediction based bets?
If you don't know how to calculate it then simply explain how many bets were placed, how many units were flat bet, and how many units were won then we can handily calculate it for you.
Precogmiles, when you play for play money, it is stress free. When people play for real money, the stress is there, and that effects the accuracy of predictions. I personally would be interested in how you do in real money roulette games, even for small stakes.
Quote from: The General on Jun 15, 02:22 PM 2019
Precog,
How many standard deviations above the normal are your prediction based bets?
If you don't know how to calculate it then simply explain how many bets were placed, how many units were flat bet, and how many units were won then we can handily calculate it for you.
Will you be using some hot chilli sauce when you calculate if for me too?
I have come to understand that probability is not reality.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 15, 04:53 PM 2019
I have come to understand that probability is not reality.
That's because you don't comprehend it. If you're not comprehending it, then you really have no idea as to whether or not what your doing has any statistical relevance.
In short, you're just guessing that you're idea works. ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 15, 11:06 PM 2019
That's because you don't comprehend it. If you're not comprehending it, then you really have no idea as to whether or not what your doing has any statistical relevance. In short, you're just guessing that you're idea works. ::)
Ok if you say so. Keep believing that.
I will believe that probability is not reality.
This is the first time I have played on RS I like the graph as visual feedback, it’s actually a great way to train.
I will believe that probability is not reality.
:xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 16, 05:56 AM 2019
I will believe that probability is not reality.
:xd: :xd: :xd:
What exactly do you do on this forum and what is your agenda??????
Quote from: The General on Jun 15, 02:22 PM 2019
Precog,
How many standard deviations above the normal are your prediction based bets?
If you don't know how to calculate it then simply explain how many bets were placed, how many units were flat bet, and how many units were won then we can handily calculate it for you.
Good question. What precogmiles has posted means nothing without knowing the details you mention. But at least we know he's not trying to sell a system. ;D
Quote from: Joe on Jun 16, 10:40 AM 2019
Good question. What precogmiles has posted means nothing without knowing the details you mention. But at least we know he's not trying to sell a system. ;D
There are 397 other players on that roulette simulator game. Why arent the majority or atleast half of them ahead of me?
When your mind can not accept the reality that is before you it always tries to come up with some absurd explaination, thus your desperate attempts to through statistics into the mix.
You can use statistics to debunk system players, but it does not work on me.
Calculating the statistical probablity means nothing to me. Probability is pesudo-reality.
First comes reality then comes statistics. Understand the order.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 16, 02:23 PM 2019
There are 397 other players on that roulette simulator game. Why arent the majority or atleast half of them ahead of me?
Because the other 396 accounts are probably yours toO! :twisted: :xd: :twisted: :xd:
Quote from: precogmiles on Feb 23, 08:49 AM 2019
And again I don't care who believes me.... those who understand, UNDERSTAND!
Hear, hear! Let those with ears hear.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 16, 10:40 AM 2019
Good question. What precogmiles has posted means nothing without knowing the details you mention. But at least we know he's not trying to sell a system. ;D
You should just be clear about what "proof" would be acceptable to you. So for certain unbelievers, they will need 25k spins with 10 standard deviations. What metrics are required to crush your own unbelief?
Personally, i'd be happy with 1.13 profit factor over 1000 spins flat bet, and would put down actual cash bets on that metric, each attempt worth a % of my total net worth. I could justify 1% of total net worth per bet. It is easily extrapolated into 1.74 PF with a progression, if indeed the base metric is valid.
Precog has more merit than what we know doesnt work.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 15, 03:23 PM 2019
Precogmiles, when you play for play money, it is stress free. When people play for real money, the stress is there, and that effects the accuracy of predictions. I personally would be interested in how you do in real money roulette games, even for small stakes.
Fwiw, I believe that precognition is real. As precognmiles said - it's reality first than it's statistics. I personally would be interested to see the results of real money play, as it's more challenging achieving a winrate when playing for something instead of for nothing (purely psychological).
Majority of people would have a hard time doing precognition because they don't do any daily practices and are disconnected from themselves.
Precogmiles, I don't see why you wouldn't show the results from real money play, even for the minimum stakes.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 17, 05:32 AM 2019Majority of people would have a hard time doing precognition because they don't do any daily practices
I’m in the camp of nah; that can’t happen! But even when on MPR or R-sim, you can be not even thinking of precognition and a number pops in your head; low and behold that number that just popped in, drops on the marquee.
So I won’t dismiss it totally.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 17, 05:57 AM 2019
I’m in the camp of nah; that can’t happen! But even when on MPR or R-sim, you can be not even thinking of precognition and a number pops in your head; low and behold that number that just popped in, drops on the marquee.
So I won’t dismiss it totally.
I meant that they would have a hard time winning consistently over long term. Most people are not willing to put in enough time/effort to mastering it, just like with anything in life. Precognition is actually a little fraction of what is possible and the actual fruits of it go beyond winning at roulette, which is why Steve said that the people who develop those abilities, probably would not have enough interest at beating roulette at that point.
To anyone doubting precognition or any other abilities, I recommend to watch this in-depth video on Youtube:
"Making Sense Of Paranormal Phenomena & Psychic Powers":
/watch?v=CIPE5YH2zgc
Please don't claim pseudo science as science fact.
There is not a single serious study performed in laboratory conditions that has produced even the slightest piece of evidence to support the nonsense mumble jumble you're claiming possible.
You're seriously asking people to believe a YouTube video over 1000's of years of peer reviewed science?
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 17, 06:58 AM 2019
Please don't claim pseudo science as science fact.
There is not a single serious study performed in laboratory conditions that has produced even the slightest piece of evidence to support the nonsense mumble jumble you're claiming possible.
You're seriously asking people to believe a YouTube video over 1000's of years of peer reviewed science?
This is not just some "youtube video". It's a self-actualization channel, I would say one of the best out at our current time that covers a variety of topics.
Since you are a materialist, you believe in a physical reality - which is what a lot of science is based on. Modern science luckily is changing, and even some scientists are no longer following the old and outdated materialist paradigm. The scientific community is yet to recognize it though, it will happen sooner than you think.
In actuality, there is no amount of evidence that will convince you. You are simply not open minded enough and actually hold dogmatic beliefs about reality, which you are not conscious of. If you were to admit that those things are real - your entire picture of reality would collapse.
Peer-reviewed science that you are talking about does not mean anything. A lot of it is extremely limited and even biased.
This is just scratching the surface, the truth is very radical - the rabbit hole goes very deep.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 17, 06:58 AM 2019
Please don't claim pseudo science as science fact.
There is not a single serious study performed in laboratory conditions that has produced even the slightest piece of evidence to support the nonsense mumble jumble you're claiming possible.
You're seriously asking people to believe a YouTube video over 1000's of years of peer reviewed science?
Exact, how to win at roulette? Very easy.
Only 1 pocket is the house edge...
If you know +2 pockets where the ball will land with AP. You got an edge.
As a materialist, to you it's a "fact" that the brain produces consciousness.
You are not conscious that you accepted that BELIEF on blind faith, and made it into a "fact", when it's simply not the case.
Quantum Mechanics actually debunked materialism and science is slowly catching on.
It's actually the other way around: Consciousness is independent of the brain.
In other words: your "science" and "reason" are a fantasy. "You" as a separate entity don't exist. The idea of "you" is an illusion, and the list goes on. In order to know this, it takes radical open mindedness, and a deep curiosity for truth to know. Start by asking yourself what you know is true, do self-inquiry, meditation, and a lot of contemplation. Direct/1st hand experience is the only way to know.
I am very glad that Steve is intelligent and open-minded enough to be open to possibility of precognition being real.
another 2 days and still in top 10.
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Just having some fun, testing and training.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 17, 05:32 AM 2019
Fwiw, I believe that precognition is real. As precognmiles said - it's reality first than it's statistics. I personally would be interested to see the results of real money play, as it's more challenging achieving a winrate when playing for something instead of for nothing (purely psychological).
Majority of people would have a hard time doing precognition because they don't do any daily practices and are disconnected from themselves.
Precogmiles, I don't see why you wouldn't show the results from real money play, even for the minimum stakes.
I agree to some extent. The biggest challenge is when fall into the trap of trying to win back your losses. Because your emotion takes over you tend to not following the precog method and act recklessly.
Many users have shown real money play and most get the same response on this forum. It is more impressive to show that it can be achieved using open public games like MPR or RS.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 02:44 AM 2019
I agree to some extent. The biggest challenge is when fall into the trap of trying to win back your losses. Because your emotion takes over you tend to not following the precog method and act recklessly.
Many users have shown real money play and most get the same response on this forum. It is more impressive to show that it can be achieved using open public games like MPR or RS.
For the people who made up their minds and that are close minded, no amount of "evidence" will convince them.
That's right, during real money play, people tend to chase their losses or go on tilt - thus it's significantly harder to do this when playing for something instead of for nothing.
I personally would be very interested, if you opened a separate real money play thread and did a bankroll challenge. For example, "A Journey from $50 to $1000 using precognition". You could start with the lowest stakes and go from there.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 16, 02:23 PM 2019First comes reality then comes statistics. Understand the order.
But what if there are doubts about the reality? Then you have to use statistics to find out how likely it is that something has occurred by chance. If the chance is very small, there may be something to it.
I'm open to the idea that precognition works if the evidence is strong enough, but there is none. There is just as much evidence that systems work as there is that precog works. Meaning, people make claims but they haven't been backed up.
link:s://:.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120315094737.htm
Clearly, you're keen to prove that precog works. Then why not do a proper controlled test and silence the skeptics like me? ;)
Quote from: Steve on Jun 17, 04:21 AM 2019Precog has more merit than what we know doesnt work.
Only if we know that precog works, but we don't know that. In which case, it may have as much merit as something we know doesn't work. That is, none.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 18, 11:32 AM 2019
But what if there are doubts about the reality? Then you have to use statistics to find out how likely it is that something has occurred by chance. If the chance is very small, there may be something to it.
I'm open to the idea that precognition works if the evidence is strong enough, but there is none. There is just as much evidence that systems work as there is that precog works. Meaning, people make claims but they haven't been backed up.
link:s://:.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120315094737.htm
Clearly, you're keen to prove that precog works. Then why not do a proper controlled test and silence the skeptics like me? ;)
When you begin to see the bigger picture of reality, you will see that all of your knowledge is groundless, relative, and ultimately delusional.You do not actually know what anything is.
The core problem is that science does not question its own foundations.
How do you know science is capable of accessing Absolute Truth? After all, this has never been demonstrated by science. And how would you demonstrate it anyway? By using science? Do you see how that begs the question? If science is incomplete or flawed then you cannot use science to validate science. You need a meta science. And a meta meta science, and so on to infinity.
You cannot convince a scientist that science is a dream. Because many scientists hold science as a dogma. Like religious people. You will never convince a Muslim that his idea of Allah is a dream. Because his mind is not open to such a possibility. He is not interested in searching for Truth because he thinks he's already found it.
Sorry winforus, that's just psychobabble. And you're assuming I'm a "materialist", but what has that got to do with predicting the future? I can refuse to be a materialist but that doesn't imply I believe in precognition.
What you're advising is that I should believe in precognition even if there's no evidence for it? :o
Science isn't a belief system like you think, it's a way of rigorously testing ideas against reality. You can have any ideas you want but they have to past the reality test or they should get dumped.
QuoteHow do you know science is capable of accessing Absolute Truth?
Did I say it was? Of course it isn't, but it's the best method we have found so far. It's done a lot for us and will do a lot more if you'll let it. It seems to me like you're prejudiced against science. And I think you should get off your high horse; few here are interested in absolute truth, whatever that is. They just want to win at roulette. :)
Quote from: Joe on Jun 18, 12:35 PM 2019
Sorry winforus, that's just psychobabble. And you're assuming I'm a "materialist", but what has that got to do with predicting the future? I can refuse to be a materialist but that doesn't imply I believe in precognition.
What you're advising is that I should believe in precognition even if there's no evidence for it? :o
Science isn't a belief system like you think, it's a way of rigorously testing ideas against reality. You can have any ideas you want but they have to past the reality test or they should get dumped.
Did I say it was? Of course it isn't, but it's the best method we have found so far. It's done a lot for us and will do a lot more if you'll let it. It seems to me like you're prejudiced against science. And I think you should get off your high horse; few here are interested in absolute truth, whatever that is. They just want to win at roulette. :)
Unfortunately you are not aware of limitations of "science". What you call "science" is not the best what we have. I am not going to go deeper as I can see it's too much for most people here. The way that science is done, will be reformed in the future as humanity evolves, that is for sure.
I am not asking you to believe that precognition is real. I am asking you to be open-minded to the possibility of it being real.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 18, 12:35 PM 2019
What you're advising is that I should believe in precognition even if there's no evidence for it? :o
Then, what IS "evidence" for precognition?
C'mon, state clearly what is the belief shattering requirement that compels overwhelming faith in precognition?
If you don't know what evidence actually is, how can you say there is no evidence?
Just pointing out some cognitive dissonance.
Someone has already said, 25k spins flat bet with 10 standard deviations...is evidence for him.
If there is no such thing as an objective evidence test for precognition, then what is your personal subjective test of evidence?
Are there scientists somewhere who have all agreed that xyz is the proper conclusive test for precognition?
If there is no such test, what"evidence" would it take for you to bet 1% of your net worth per attempt, flat?
Quote from: winforus on Jun 18, 03:37 AM 2019
For the people who made up their minds and that are close minded, no amount of "evidence" will convince them.
That's right, during real money play, people tend to chase their losses or go on tilt - thus it's significantly harder to do this when playing for something instead of for nothing.
I personally would be very interested, if you opened a separate real money play thread and did a bankroll challenge. For example, "A Journey from $50 to $1000 using precognition". You could start with the lowest stakes and go from there.
As much as I would like to do that thread, I will be taking a long break from this forum simply because I think I've contributed as much as I can to this topic.
Whoever wants to learn can always PM me, I've written a guide somewhere on this forum for beginners and to be honest I am not an expert, I just know that this method works. Using precog I am able to get above average hits, which is all you need to win.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 18, 11:32 AM 2019
But what if there are doubts about the reality? Then you have to use statistics to find out how likely it is that something has occurred by chance. If the chance is very small, there may be something to it.
I'm open to the idea that precognition works if the evidence is strong enough, but there is none. There is just as much evidence that systems work as there is that precog works. Meaning, people make claims but they haven't been backed up.
link:s://:.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120315094737.htm
Clearly, you're keen to prove that precog works. Then why not do a proper controlled test and silence the skeptics like me? ;)
Did you read that paper? They tried to replicate the experiment and failed.
What does this say? that the original study was false? is this the conclusion?
I would advice you do more research and understand the scientific method that you champion so much better.
I am all for good research and experimentation. I however do not like theory over reality. Never make your theory fit reality always observe and accept the facts as you find them.
The 'experimenter effect' is a long known about effect in parapsychology. This is similar to placebo and Nocebo effects. The mind is an amazing tool. We do not understand how consciousness effects both the body and our perceptions of the reality we experience.
Listen, if you don't want to believe in precog then DONT!! in fact please never believe in precog.
This thread was really for those who have an open mind.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 07:16 PM 2019
Did you read that paper? They tried to replicate the experiment and failed.
What does this say? that the original study was false? is this the conclusion?
I would advice you do more research and understand the scientific method that you champion so much better.
I am all for good research and experimentation. I however do not like theory over reality. Never make your theory fit reality always observe and accept the facts as you find them.
The 'experimenter effect' is a long known about effect in parapsychology. This is similar to placebo and Nocebo effects. The mind is an amazing tool. We do not understand how consciousness effects both the body and our perceptions of the reality we experience.
Listen, if you don't want to believe in precog then DONT!! in fact please never believe in precog.
This thread was really for those who have an open mind.
Some people naively mistaken the proper meaning of the word theory when the term is used in statistics and basic probability.
Definition of theory
1 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena. In the case of basic probability it is not really a theory or hypothesis..it is a set of accepted facts that have been scientifically proven.
Scientifically speaking, your pissing in the wind without statistically relevant tests.
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 07:46 PM 2019
Some people naively mistaken the proper meaning of the word theory when the term is used in statistics and basic probability.
Definition of theory
1 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena. In the case of basic probability it is not really a theory or hypothesis..it is a set of accepted facts that have been scientifically proven.
Scientifically speaking, your pissing in the wind without statistically relevant tests.
If I see a ghost, it is a fact that ghosts exist. I will not wait for the scientific community to give me the go ahead to believe ghosts exist.
FACTS over THEORIES.
And I am using theories correctly.
Sorry to bust your ego but human knowledge is limited and wanting everything to be repeatable or falsifiable under laboratory conditions is just not going to happen.
If you do not understand the philosophy of science and what the epistemological underpinnings of science really are then just go away and take your smelly hot chilli sauce with you.
Caleb is correct about the statistical relevance. But over my lifetime I've personally seen enough to reasonably believe precog is real - and seen credible test results, including some of my own. Can it be used in roulette? That's another matter, but I believe yes. I don't "know" for sure. But what may be really happening is not precog. It could be something else. It is all quite a grey area. It's not black and white like repeaters.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 08:23 PM 2019
If I see a ghost, it is a fact that ghosts exist. I will not wait for the scientific community to give me the go ahead to believe ghosts exist.
FACTS over THEORIES.
Sorry to bust your ego but human knowledge is limited and wanting everything to be repeatable or falsifiable under laboratory conditions is just not going to happen.
Education over ignorance. Otherwise if you fart on a cold winter day you may see a ghost. ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 09:04 PM 2019
Education over ignorance. Otherwise if you fart on a cold winter day you may see a ghost. ::)
Ok keep believing that. Don’t ever believe precog is a real phenomena.
And enjoy your hot chilli sauce.
I have zero interest in trying to convince anyone. I’ve run my tests, and I am sure it’s helpful to those who have an open mind.
This is the kind of attitude that has made the precogers leave the forum after realising the reality that it actually works. I’ve been around this forum for a while and contributed whatever I can to wake people up to its reality.
Quote from: Still on Jun 18, 06:34 PM 2019Someone has already said, 25k spins flat bet with 10 standard deviations...is evidence for him.
That would be good enough for me, too.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 18, 02:24 PM 2019I am not asking you to believe that precognition is real. I am asking you to be open-minded to the possibility of it being real.
I
am open-minded to the possibility of it being real, but I'm still waiting for the statistical evidence. None of the precog adherents will even post their actual data in terms of wins, number of bets, and odds of the bet, preferring to post meaningless screenshots. It's no wonder there are skeptics when they won't even post adequate data for their own tests when it's requested.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 07:16 PM 2019The 'experimenter effect' is a long known about effect in parapsychology. This is similar to placebo and Nocebo effects. The mind is an amazing tool. We do not understand how consciousness effects both the body and our perceptions of the reality we experience.
The "experimenter effect" comes into play mostly when there is potential for the placebo effect, and in such cases double-blind trials will overcome it.
In precognition the problem is not really relevant; all you need to do is compare your results with those given by chance. If the chance of your results are very small, assuming the null hypothesis (no such thing as precog) then this is evidence for precog.
The evidence must be empirical because there is no theory for precog which doesn't contradict established scientific laws. I have no problem with only some people being able to do it, because not everyone is equally skilled at all tasks, but there is no evidence for
anyone being able to to do it consistently. The apparent successes are due to chance or other factors ; which explains the lack of replication.
QuoteI have zero interest in trying to convince anyone.
Then what's the point of the screenshots and claims?
Quote from: Still on Jun 18, 06:34 PM 2019
Then, what IS "evidence" for precognition?
C'mon, state clearly what is the belief shattering requirement that compels overwhelming faith in precognition?
If you don't know what evidence actually is, how can you say there is no evidence?
Just pointing out some cognitive dissonance.
Someone has already said, 25k spins flat bet with 10 standard deviations...is evidence for him.
If there is no such thing as an objective evidence test for precognition, then what is your personal subjective test of evidence?
Are there scientists somewhere who have all agreed that xyz is the proper conclusive test for precognition?
If there is no such test, what"evidence" would it take for you to bet 1% of your net worth per attempt, flat?
+10000, you nailed it
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 07:01 PM 2019
As much as I would like to do that thread, I will be taking a long break from this forum simply because I think I've contributed as much as I can to this topic.
Whoever wants to learn can always PM me, I've written a guide somewhere on this forum for beginners and to be honest I am not an expert, I just know that this method works. Using precog I am able to get above average hits, which is all you need to win.
Thank you for all your contributions to this forum. I will PM you at some point after my own tests . The materialists will be materialists - they are no different than religious people. No need to waste your time trying to convince those that are not open-minded enough.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 18, 08:23 PM 2019
If I see a ghost, it is a fact that ghosts exist. I will not wait for the scientific community to give me the go ahead to believe ghosts exist.
FACTS over THEORIES.
And I am using theories correctly.
Sorry to bust your ego but human knowledge is limited and wanting everything to be repeatable or falsifiable under laboratory conditions is just not going to happen.
If you do not understand the philosophy of science and what the epistemological underpinnings of science really are then just go away and take your smelly hot chilli sauce with you.
That's exactly right. Majority of people like that who keep referring to science/experiments, are totally ignorant of philosophy of science and epistemology.
And as much as they claim that they are open-minded, they are not. Subconsciously they would prefer for things like precognition to NOT be true, because if it happens to be - their entire paradigm would collapse. And that is very threatening to their identity, that they have built up their whole lives. Everything that they thought they "knew" about reality, would be destroyed.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 19, 04:42 AM 2019And as much as they claim that they are open-minded, they are not. Subconsciously they would prefer for things like precognition to NOT be true, because if it happens to be - their entire paradigm would collapse. And that is very threatening to their identity, that they have built up their whole lives. Everything that they thought they "knew" about reality, would be destroyed.
So now you're a mind-reader too? We are indeed privileged to have such a highly evolved being in our little forum.
Actually, the "materialist" philosophy is far more threatening than the one you're proposing is the truth. Yours is much more comforting because you can believe almost anything you want without any evidence - you know, like they used to before the methods of science were developed about 300 years ago. Ghosts, Gods, the paranormal, yada yada yada. Take your pick of whatever is most consoling for you!
Now I take your point that modern physics isn't "materialistic" and there is a lot it can't say anything about, but the major difference between science and other ways of knowing about the world is that it requires objective evidence, not mere belief or authority.
Quote from: Still on Jun 18, 06:34 PM 2019Then, what IS "evidence" for precognition?
C'mon, state clearly what is the belief shattering requirement that compels overwhelming faith in precognition?
It's not black and white. There are degrees of evidence from weak to strong. The evidence for precognition is very weak and that's why it's regarded as pseudoscience by the scientific community.
It doesn't matter how many times someone asserts that it's true or repeats anecdotes that it's worked for them. That is not "evidence".
But i still keep winning. To be fair. I can't do it when i tell someone what i can do and he or she is watching me or a make a video. The mind is a funny thing. But when i feel "safe" and relaxed i just keep on winning.
It's not luck anymore. I score way above that. The first months my rating was way lower, but now after months and months of daily play and practice i keep getting better. The mind is a muscle and it is very easy to train it. But like everything, it takes time. You can't deadlift 200kg withing a couple of weeks. It takes time and alot of training. Same thing with the mind.
Download the app. Train everyday atleast one hour for the next 12 month. You will notice you will get better at the app.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 19, 05:52 AM 2019It's not luck anymore. I score way above that.
Again, where are the specific details? give me some numbers! It drives me nuts when people post vague claims like, "I'm winning". You can also win for long periods just by chance, especially if you're using a progression on a high limit game. The app you mention should at least tell you what the chances are that your wins are attributable to some real effect and not just random chance.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 19, 06:00 AM 2019
Again, where are the specific details? give me some numbers! It drives me nuts when people post vague claims like, "I'm winning". You can also win for long periods just by chance, especially if you're using a progression on a high limit game. The app you mention should at least tell you what the chances are that your wins are attributable to some real effect and not just random chance.
Did you try the Zener ESP app? That app has some test. I always do the precog training.
You have 25 rounds. Always 5 options. If you gues 6 or more right it's above luck. Just a 24% chance i was not due luck. The higher you get the more chance its not due luck but skill. It also give you a average. You can reset it anytime you want. Every mondag i reset. The first week i just got average result. Meaning just between 15% and 25% on weekly avg.
Now, many months later i get way beter results. Weekly avg is around 40%. So i get 10 out of 25 rounds right. There is a 80% chance its not due luck.
Its all there in the app. Try it. Do you're own reseach. Why trust others? You don't trust us, but you do trust other people you also never met. It's very easy to do this on your own.
Look at the attachment
Quote from: Joe on Jun 19, 05:30 AM 2019
So now you're a mind-reader too? We are indeed privileged to have such a highly evolved being in our little forum.
Actually, the "materialist" philosophy is far more threatening than the one you're proposing is the truth. Yours is much more comforting because you can believe almost anything you want without any evidence - you know, like they used to before the methods of science were developed about 300 years ago. Ghosts, Gods, the paranormal, yada yada yada. Take your pick of whatever is most consoling for you!
Now I take your point that modern physics isn't "materialistic" and there is a lot it can't say anything about, but the major difference between science and other ways of knowing about the world is that it requires objective evidence, not mere belief or authority.
There is no such thing as "objective evidence" - this is something that you are unable to grasp at your current level of consciousness.
I never said to believe something without evidence, do not put words into my mouth.
Before you write anymore nonsense, actually try to examine the existing beliefs that you hold about reality.
Even if someone demonstrated to you through 100k spins their winrate, you would still not understand what is precognition. You can only understand it through direct 1st hand experience.
Instead of waiting for someone to present you the numbers, actually start testing it yourself.
Ask yourself these questions and contemplate, - this could take many hours if you would take it seriously:
What is science?
What is evidence?
What is reality?
How do I know that something is true?
What am I?
Who is aware of reality?
Who is perceiving?
If you do this, understanding how precognition would work, would be VERY easy. And that is just scratching the surface.
The best evidence is the one that you can demonstrate to yourself. Instead of waiting for somebody to present you the numbers, start testing yourself. You can learn a lot from RAYMANZ.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 19, 06:55 AM 2019There is no such thing as "objective evidence" - this is something that you are unable to grasp at your current level of consciousness.
And your evidence for this assertion is what, exactly?
QuoteI never said to believe something without evidence, do not put words into my mouth.
Right, so you do believe in evidence after all.
You see the problem; when you argue for a position you must use evidence, or it's just an assertion (some proposition given without evidence). I see lots of assertions from you but very little in the way of evidence. You cannot argue convincingly for your position without using evidence, which you've just asserted doesn't exist ("there is no such thing as objective evidence"). So that makes you a hypocrite, and worse, you are actually refuting yourself.
Why not answer your own questions first?
QuoteWhat is science?
What is evidence?
What is reality?
How do I know that something is true?
What am I?
Who is aware of reality?
Who is perceiving?
I can tell you what evidence is; it's anything provided in support of an assertion. This need not be proof, which only really applies to deductive arguments and maths. Other than that, evidence can be weak or strong. There is scientific evidence and evidence in the law (which can be classified as circumstantial, etc).
Now your turn. What do you think science is?
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 19, 07:20 AM 2019
And your evidence for this assertion is what, exactly?
Right, so you do believe in evidence after all.
You see the problem; when you argue for a position you must use evidence, or it's just an assertion (some proposition given without evidence). I see lots of assertions from you but very little in the way of evidence. You cannot argue convincingly for your position without using evidence, which you've just asserted doesn't exist ("there is no such thing as objective evidence"). So that makes you a hypocrite, and worse, you are actually refuting yourself.
Why not answer your own questions first?
I can tell you what evidence is; it's anything provided in support of an assertion. This need not be proof, which only really applies to deductive arguments and maths. Other than that, evidence can be weak or strong. There is scientific evidence and evidence in the law (which can be classified as circumstantial, etc).
Now your turn. What do you think science is?
Truth is prior to evidence.
You hold a lot of materialistic beliefs which you are not conscious of. That's right, "beliefs" which are not grounded in anything.
The first most important distinction to make is between concept/thought & actual experience.
You will not understand what I am talking about here, until you actually put in hours of work into contemplating the questions I presented to you. That's right, it requires many hours.
Until you do meditation, self-inquiry, and other things people recommended here (like esp zener app), there is absolutely no point for us to waste our time with this discussion. If you are interested in truth, you will put in the work. If you are not, you will continue to sit and argue with people - while being totally ignorant .
I can only show you the door, it is up to you to walk through it. I will not engage in anymore arguments with you until you put in the work.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 19, 07:34 AM 2019What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Exactly right.
Looks like we have yet another pontificating, patronizing self-professed guru here folks! This time he's waaaay above us poor knuckle-draggers on the evolutionary scale; it must be a huge effort for him to even think down to our level! ;D
Quote from: winforus on Jun 19, 07:57 AM 2019Truth is prior to evidence.
If you're saying that Ontology is prior to Epistemology, then I agree. Whatever is (reality) must exist before we can know about it. But the key component of Epistemology is evidence, which is what you keep ignoring.
QuoteI will not engage in anymore arguments with you until you put in the work.
lol, rather convenient, don't you think?
Translation : I don't have any counter-arguments so I'll just belittle and patronize you until you go away.
Sometime ago I uploaded a book which shows you how test whether you have psychic ability. At the end of the chapter on precognition the author offers some common sense arguments on why it's reasonable to believe that precognition is baloney.
Interestingly, one would think that if precognition were a consistent or at least large effect then real life experiments of the type outlined above would be carried out each and every day by those individuals that possess precognitive talents. Imagine, for example, you have these psychic abilities. What would you do with them? For example, would you try to divine the upcoming lottery numbers? Or predict which stock will be the next to rise? Or say which team will win the next world series? There would be nothing stopping you from placing a few bets, bets with no risk because you know what the outcome will be. So what is stop anyone with this kind of ability from using it in such a way that they accumulate both power and wealth? Nothing. If precognition exists there should be a group of people who are exceptionally powerful and wealthy (the power and wealth, of course, accumulated through their precognitive abilities).
They would have no need to hide their powers either because they could dodge any potential threat to themselves by looking into the future and then avoiding it. That we don’t see such groups of powerful people can be described by what is known as the Planned Relent effect. This theory explains what the world would â€" and should â€" look like if people genuinely had precognitive powers. The absence of such indicators, classes of extraordinarily powerful psychic sages, seems to be strong evidence against the idea that precognition works, at least at the large scale.
It could be argued that precognition is a small effect and not always reliable or accurate and that this deviation from certainty accounts for the lack of groups of powerful psychics. But this doesn’t work because a person with precognitive powers would still come out ahead on bets in the long run even though their abilities didn’t always work.
A perfect analogy to this are casinos. Some games only have a slight edge,maybe as low as 1% or even lower. This slight advantage in the probability of the house win- ning accounts for the fact that casinos rake in billions each year. The same would hold true for imperfect precognitive bets. The psychic
would still come out ahead in the end. It may take a little longer, but it would still happen.
Arguments that people who have precognitive abilities can only use them for the greater good do not carry any weight. Such limitations on psychic powers would have to be built into the relevant explanatory biological and physical models. It also means defining precisely what “the greater good†means (greater to whom?). That psychics could never use their powers for personal gain and can only use them altruistically (say, to warn of danger) goes against all history of human behavior. The altruism only argument fails on two counts. The first is that if people could only do good with their abilities we
would not have anyone else die in airplane crashes, say, or by driving off bridges. These unfortunate potential accident victims would have been warned of their impending doom and destruction by beneficent seers. Clearly this is not happening. Yes, there are lots of anecdotes to say that it does, but none rigorously confirmed. One would think that some sort of government bureau would have been set up by now, employing precognitive psychics, whose function would be to issue disaster reports much like weather forecasts warn against tornados and hurricanes.
The second reason the altruism argument doesn’t work is human nature. For example, I’m telling you that if I had precognitive powers I certainly would use them for personal gain. I’d pile up a lottery win or two, use the money to make a fortune on the stock market and then begin to accumulate political power. It’d be Emperor William the First before long. And I’m generally a nice guy. There would have to be people who, if capable, would be far more ruthless in the exercise of their abilities than me. Since we don’t see these kinds of things, it follows that any precognitive powers must be negligible or non existent.
Nevertheless, the allure of even the hint of having this ability is strong so reliable tests, like those given here, are essential. To this date no test like these have ever been convincingly passed.
So, You Think You're Psychic? William M. Briggs, 2006
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 19, 06:10 AM 2019Why trust others? You don't trust us, but you do trust other people you also never met.
It's not really a question of "trust". We all take things on trust, we have to otherwise we would never get through the day. The point of science is you don't have to take things on trust because they have been rigorously tested over a long period by many people. Scientific theories are not "fake news" (what I mean by "theory" is the general's definition which he gave above, not just a hypothesis). That doesn't mean that we shouldn't believe anything that isn't "scientifically" tested because we are justified in believing a lot of things without the help of science, just using common sense.
But I agree with you that it would better to do my own tests to convince myself.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 19, 09:46 AM 2019
But I agree with you that it would better to do my own tests to convince myself.
That is not allowed. Your high priesists of Science have to give you their blessing.
Even if you score above average after practising the method, you are still not permitted to believe precognition is real.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 19, 02:51 PM 2019Your high priesists of Science have to give you their blessing.
There are no high priests in science, or any authorities at all. Although I have to admit that some members of the scientific community like to assume such a role. But it doesn't matter what they tell you or say because if your discovery is genuine it will be recognized and confirmed eventually.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 19, 04:42 AM 2019
Thank you for all your contributions to this forum. I will PM you at some point after my own tests . The materialists will be materialists - they are no different than religious people. No need to waste your time trying to convince those that are not open-minded enough.
You're welcome. You are right, if they want to remain ignorant then let them be.
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Here the results from my latest precog session. I only played one spin, but I knew that I'd win the next seven spins so I went ahead and graphed them too.
Quote from: The General on Jun 19, 10:13 PM 2019
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Here the results from my latest precog session. I only played one spin, but I knew that I'd win the next seven spins so I went ahead and graphed them too.
LOL
Look how rich you would have been if you only be on that number before the ball rolled. Don't miss out on the next one, just rush me a check
Assuming it worked, precog would be unlikely to work on every spin. Just like any AP method, you have an EDGE.
I get why some of you mock it as something that may actually work. It's like how some people mock AP. They don't have the right or enough information to know better.
Again I believe it is likely a viable method. I don't have solid enough information to know for sure. Developing precog is riskier (timewise) than developing traditional methods.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 19, 07:34 AM 2019
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I don't think Joe understands the ramifications of this when he agrees.
Evidence is indeed subject to assertions. Faith and assertions are very much the same thing.
Anything that scientists can observe as a persistent phenomenon has previously been asserted (it was believed and is still believed).
Something asserts what we like to call the physical, or material world...which is then observed by "scientists" who look for ways to measure reliable circumstances, or test for persistent phenomenon.
What asserts the physical world of trees, bees and seas, i will call that the *prime believer*.
As it believes, it produces what we call humans, or what i will call *secondary believers*, made in the image (imagination) of the prime believer.
The relationship between the secondary believers and the primary believer is rather incestuous.
Self deception is the ultimate result.
We only believe what we want to be true. Hence why faith is the same as an assertion.
The physical/material world is the *evidence* of a prior faith/assertion.
Scientists seem to observe the evidence first, and then believe. This is deceptive.
Atheists seem to observe the evidence first, and then believe (that the physical world is real, and/or that an unseen world is unreal).
The objective of faith is to make one's assertions *real*.
To the extent that something seems real, that is the evidence for the faith/assertion.
Believers don't respond to evidence. Evidence responds to believers.
We can believe things that are not true, and see evidence for our assertions.
Such is the physical world of bees, trees, and seas. None of these are true or real despite the assertion (faith) that they are. And yet, we see it and accept it as evidence of its own reality (truth).
They remain simulations, including the humans and their eyeballs that see the bees, trees and seas:
You are a Simulation & Physics Can Prove It: George Smoot at TEDxSalford
So given the information in my prior post above, what might precognition be?
It might be a distinction between a primary believer and a secondary believer.
It could be the primary believer "knows" what the next number will be because it asserts it...and it believes it because it asserts it.
The secondary believer would just need to tune into what the primary believer is asserting.
So it would seem the secondary (weak) believers live in ignorance, while the primary (strong) believer abides in "knowledge", or what passes for knowledge (but might not be).
So long as the secondary believer believes it is the primary believer (the knower), it will lose and suffer as it's assertions (assumptions) succumb to the mathematics asserted by the prime believer in the first place. This would be to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Maybe there are multiple levels of believers, where the math is made by the prime believer, the next number is made by the mid level believer, and the dupe (last believer in the chain of believers) either tunes in to the making of the next number, or believes whatever he wants to believe and gets hammered.
To me, philosophical evidence is a consistency of argument where there is no cognitive dissonance interfering, like how Joe thinks.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 19, 09:46 AM 2019
It's not really a question of "trust". We all take things on trust, we have to otherwise we would never get through the day That doesn't mean that we shouldn't believe anything that isn't "scientifically" tested because we are justified in believing a lot of things without the help of science, just using common sense.
But I agree with you that it would better to do my own tests to convince myself.
Quote from: Still on Jun 20, 01:42 AM 2019
I don't think Joe understands the ramifications of this when he agrees.
Evidence is indeed subject to assertions. Faith and assertions are very much the same thing.
Anything that scientists can observe as a persistent phenomenon has previously been asserted (it was believed and is still believed).
Something asserts what we like to call the physical, or material world...which is then observed by "scientists" who look for ways to measure reliable circumstances, or test for persistent phenomenon.
What asserts the physical world of trees, bees and seas, i will call that the *prime believer*.
As it believes, it produces what we call humans, or what i will call *secondary believers*, made in the image (imagination) of the prime believer.
The relationship between the secondary believers and the primary believer is rather incestuous.
Self deception is the ultimate result.
That's right. Joe doesn't understand that the things he calls "common sense" are not "common sense". He took them on blind faith, he never questioned them.
You see, there is no "physical reality". The brain doesn't produce consciousness. Consciousness is independent of the brain and independent of thought. Consciousness precedes everything. Given that, the body is just a vehicle for experiencing consciousness.
So what do we have? A foundational screw up. Joe(along with many scientists) took things on blind faith and now his entire model is upside down. Where is his evidence that matter creates consciousness? That's right, there isn't any.
The problem with science is that it doesn't question it's own foundations. Although now more scientists than ever before are beginning to understand these things.
So how can you tell what I said is true? You don't have to take it on blind faith. You can prove it yourself, though careful self-observation. That's right, you should do your own science and your own tests. There is a lot of information on this out there as well, do your own research. (This is not something that I can prove to you or that you can prove to anybody)
This is very relevant, because if you understand this - you will understand why precognition phenomena is real and many other things. Precognition is just 1%.
How would you explain how precognition works? Everything is interconnected, simple as that.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 20, 01:34 AM 2019
Assuming it worked, precog would be unlikely to work on every spin. Just like any AP method, you have an EDGE.
I get why some of you mock it as something that may actually work. It's like how some people mock AP. They don't have the right or enough information to know better.
Again I believe it is likely a viable method. I don't have solid enough information to know for sure. Developing precog is riskier (timewise) than developing traditional methods.
Because I am not that well trained, I get the best results when I play up to 10-15 spins per session. The accuracy goes down significantly as fatigue + other factors kick in and you are not able to sense as well as you did before.
Developing precognition is not risky, because the reward is far beyond just winning at roulette.
Precognition would violate the principle of antecedence (causality), that an effect does not happen before its cause.
Information passing backwards in time would need to be carried by physical particles doing the same. Experimental evidence from high-energy physics suggests that this cannot happen.
There is therefore no direct justification for precognition from physics."
Quote from: Still on Jun 20, 01:42 AM 2019I don't think Joe understands the ramifications of this when he agrees.
Evidence is indeed subject to assertions. Faith and assertions are very much the same thing.
Anything that scientists can observe as a persistent phenomenon has previously been asserted (it was believed and is still believed).
Something asserts what we like to call the physical, or material world...which is then observed by "scientists" who look for ways to measure reliable circumstances, or test for persistent phenomenon.
What asserts the physical world of trees, bees and seas, i will call that the *prime believer*.
As it believes, it produces what we call humans, or what i will call *secondary believers*, made in the image (imagination) of the prime believer.
The relationship between the secondary believers and the primary believer is rather incestuous.
Self deception is the ultimate result.
We only believe what we want to be true. Hence why faith is the same as an assertion.
The physical/material world is the *evidence* of a prior faith/assertion.
Scientists seem to observe the evidence first, and then believe. This is deceptive.
Atheists seem to observe the evidence first, and then believe (that the physical world is real, and/or that an unseen world is unreal).
The objective of faith is to make one's assertions *real*.
To the extent that something seems real, that is the evidence for the faith/assertion.
Believers don't respond to evidence. Evidence responds to believers.
We can believe things that are not true, and see evidence for our assertions.
Such is the physical world of bees, trees, and seas. None of these are true or real despite the assertion (faith) that they are. And yet, we see it and accept it as evidence of its own reality (truth).
They remain simulations, including the humans and their eyeballs that see the bees, trees and seas:
You are a Simulation & Physics Can Prove It: George Smoot at TEDxSalford
Still, interesting though your speculations are, it's all beside the point and we seem to have wondered far off course in this thread. I started posting in the thread because those who make claims (not necessarily about precog, but about systems too) seem unwilling or unable to recognize that in order to draw inferences from your results, you need to use inferential statistics.
Even if your theories were true, it wouldn't remove the need for this, because as Steve says :
QuoteAssuming it worked, precog would be unlikely to work on every spin. Just like any AP method, you have an EDGE.
And I think you would agree. Now, supposing we really are "secondary believers" who are generated by a "primary believer" and that all we assume and observe is an illusion,
we still have to live and function in this world of "appearance" even if we have an intuition that it is indeed illusion. You and I still need to feed our illusory bodies, put illusory roofs over our illusory heads, and put our illusory chips on the illusory table at the illusory casino in order to at least have a chance at making illusory profits! ;D
So long as we are in this pitiable condition, we have to make inferences, because most of what we believe comes from inferences and not direct observation (of illusory objects!). Even if the "material" world is illusory, you have to admit that there is a kind of stability and predictability about it, otherwise "science" wouldn't work. There is the principle of the "Uniformity of Nature".
Whether we get our bet selection from precognition, intuition, or a system, randomness and variance are constant factors and so we need to have some way to determine whether the results are due to these or constitute a real edge.
I don't want to get sidetracked by your metaphysical speculations, but it does remind me of Kant's philosophy, which is full of contradictions, like all radical skepticism is. And it's rather ironic that you reference a video of a talk by a Physicist, while asserting that science has it all backwards. ::)
Quote from: winforus on Jun 20, 03:58 AM 2019That's right. Joe doesn't understand that the things he calls "common sense" are not "common sense". He took them on blind faith, he never questioned them.
You see, there is no "physical reality". The brain doesn't produce consciousness. Consciousness is independent of the brain and independent of thought. Consciousness precedes everything. Given that, the body is just a vehicle for experiencing consciousness.
So what do we have? A foundational screw up. Joe(along with many scientists) took things on blind faith and now his entire model is upside down. Where is his evidence that matter creates consciousness? That's right, there isn't any.
When I talk about "common sense" I'm really talking about logic and reasoning, not things we observe. Even if everything physical is an illusion we can still make inferences about what appears. You can't deny that there is "appearance", even if you doubt the status of that appearance. Even God, if there is such a being, cannot break the laws of logic. And you cannot "refute" logic itself because to do so you would have to use logic!
And please stop misrepresenting my views. I have never said or implied that matter creates consciousness, so I don't need to provide any evidence for it. But at least you admit that evidence is necessary in order to believe, although you're rather selective about
where and when it's necessary. ;)
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 20, 05:19 AM 2019Precognition would violate the principle of antecedence (causality), that an effect does not happen before its cause.
Yes, but our precog gurus have taken care of that because "before" and "after" are an illusion, and anyway, it's science which is all wrong! just listen to the
Physicist in the video! :xd:
You know what may be a good argument? You can't sell precog. It's a skill. You have to learn it yourself.
If i would have a working system. A holy grail. I would do what Steve is doing. Sell the service. Get a monthly payment and let others do the boring/hard work.
That does not work for precog. You have to do the work yourself. It just like that sixpack. It takes time. By the time you got the sixpack you have learned so much more. You got a life skill to never get fat again and if you ever get fat you know how to get rid of it. It's worth the time.
Like everybody is saying that is doing precog. We don't care. You think we care because we post alot about it here? We are just trying to open your eyes. Stop with all the systems. There are people here that are putting in so much effort and time in systems that won't work. Ever. If only they put in the same time in precog.
Maybe the same goes for AP. That also takes alot of time and effort to learn. Same idea. Different skill.
You don't believe it works? That's ok. We are not mad. We are not trying to sell you anything or scam you. That's not how it works. Instead of netflix 2 hours a day. Do it for one hour a day and use the other hour the practice with the app. Try it for 6 months and report back.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 20, 08:37 AM 2019It's a skill. You have to learn it yourself.
I see that as a weakness, not an advantage. When you're gone, the "system" goes with you. With a system you can pass it on to someone else, or rent it out, sell it or create a bot. That's passive income, not something you have to work at day after day like a 9-5 job.
And did it ever occur to you that if you're getting results, it may not be due to precognition, but "intuition"? If you're practicing day after day looking at roulette outcomes it's possible you may have discovered, perhaps subconsciously, a way of selecting bets which creates an advantage.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 20, 09:58 AM 2019
I see that as a weakness, not an advantage. When you're gone, the "system" goes with you. With a system you can pass it on to someone else, or rent it out, sell it or create a bot. That's passive income, not something you have to work at day after day like a 9-5 job.
And did it ever occur to you that if you're getting results, it may not be due to precognition, but "intuition"? If you're practicing day after day looking at roulette outcomes it's possible you may have discovered, perhaps subconsciously, a way of selecting bets which creates an advantage.
I practice with the app. I only play max 15 spins a day. That's 75 units. A unit can be whatever my bankroll is at that moment. I have a bankroll of 4 times 75 units.
I have the feeling you always like to see things from a negative point of view. Try to change that. It will improve your life.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 20, 07:52 AM 2019
When I talk about "common sense" I'm really talking about logic and reasoning, not things we observe. Even if everything physical is an illusion we can still make inferences about what appears. You can't deny that there is "appearance", even if you doubt the status of that appearance. Even God, if there is such a being, cannot break the laws of logic. And you cannot "refute" logic itself because to do so you would have to use logic!
And please stop misrepresenting my views. I have never said or implied that matter creates consciousness, so I don't need to provide any evidence for it. But at least you admit that evidence is necessary in order to believe, although you're rather selective about where and when it's necessary. ;)
The only way you know anything to be true, even just simply everyday truths like "It's raining today" is NEVER through logic. But only through experience. Logic is something that operates upon experience. The grist for the mill is experience. Without experience, you wouldn't know you exist.
All logic can stop, and you'd still exist very comfortably.
Logic itself IS an experience! All that said, logic is useful for everyday human affairs. The only mistake would be to worship it and use it exclusively. Imagine if I insisted on using a hammer to do brain surgery -- because I really love hammers. Well... that would be a bad thing. But hammers are still useful. Just not for brain surgery.
When it comes to understanding things like precognition - you will not understand it through logic.
Based on what you wrote, it is very easy to assume that you are a materialist and unfortunately materialist paradigm does not give any room for things like precognition.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 20, 09:58 AM 2019
I see that as a weakness, not an advantage. When you're gone, the "system" goes with you. With a system you can pass it on to someone else, or rent it out, sell it or create a bot. That's passive income, not something you have to work at day after day like a 9-5 job.
And did it ever occur to you that if you're getting results, it may not be due to precognition, but "intuition"? If you're practicing day after day looking at roulette outcomes it's possible you may have discovered, perhaps subconsciously, a way of selecting bets which creates an advantage.
If you would develop the skill, you could apply it way beyond roulette. Developing the skill itself, is a huge rewards in itself.
Like RaymanZ said, we don't really care to prove anything to you., we have no stake in the outcome. You could spend countless of hours on trying to develop systems that will never work, it is your choice.
If you are genuinely interested, you will put in the time and test it for yourself. You have all the tools available to you.
Quote from: FreeRoulette on Jun 20, 01:12 AM 2019
LOL
Look how rich you would have been if you only be on that number before the ball rolled. Don't miss out on the next one, just rush me a check
Yes, I knew that you'd write what you did above. I didn't miss out.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 20, 05:19 AM 2019
Precognition would violate the principle of antecedence (causality), that an effect does not happen before its cause.
Information passing backwards in time would need to be carried by physical particles doing the same. Experimental evidence from high-energy physics suggests that this cannot happen.
There is therefore no direct justification for precognition from physics."
Yes, I also knew you were going to write what you did above.
The secret is massive amounts of Sriracha. Not relaxation, no gay candle staring...just kapsin and Sriracha.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 20, 05:19 AM 2019
Precognition would violate the principle of antecedence (causality), that an effect does not happen before its cause.
Information passing backwards in time would need to be carried by physical particles doing the same. Experimental evidence from high-energy physics suggests that this cannot happen.
There is therefore no direct justification for precognition from physics."
No, that's only if the particles go DIRECTLY backwards. They don't. The particles zig zag backwards and enter the mind of the precog person through a 32 degree angle into the cranium, thus providing indirect justification from physics. :yawn:
Quote from: Joe on Jun 20, 09:58 AM 2019
I see that as a weakness, not an advantage. When you're gone, the "system" goes with you. With a system you can pass it on to someone else, or rent it out, sell it or create a bot. That's passive income, not something you have to work at day after day like a 9-5 job.
And did it ever occur to you that if you're getting results, it may not be due to precognition, but "intuition"? If you're practicing day after day looking at roulette outcomes it's possible you may have discovered, perhaps subconsciously, a way of selecting bets which creates an advantage.
You actually have a point there. It would be amazing if you could just create a system like that and generate passive income. But that is not going to happen, Casinos are not that stupid.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 19, 06:13 AM 2019
Look at the attachment
Hi RayManZ Thats really impressive, keep it up. I've downloaded that app and got 9 a few times.
I find it is best to practice on many different apps and sites.
Here is a result I got on link:s://psychicscience.org/esp3.aspx
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Precognition research seeks to establish the existence of weird phenomena while at the same time refusing to offer a positive theory of why and how these phenomena come into being.
This must be so because once you have a positive (i.e., intelligible) theory about the process underlying the phenomenon, the mystique is gone.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jun 20, 10:41 PM 2019
Precognition research seeks to establish the existence of weird phenomena while at the same time refusing to offer a positive theory of why and how these phenomena come into being.
This must be so because once you have a positive (i.e., intelligible) theory about the process underlying the phenomenon, the mystique is gone.
Well i've offered a positive intelligible theory about the phenomenon so, yah, the mystique must be gone. But i didn't know there needed to be a mystique.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 20, 10:56 AM 2019The only way you know anything to be true, even just simply everyday truths like "It's raining today" is NEVER through logic. But only through experience.
This is clearly false. Most of our knowledge doesn't come from direct experience, or sensory perception, but from either the testimony of others or reason (deduction of truths from existing knowledge). I guess you should include memory too.
QuoteAll logic can stop, and you'd still exist very comfortably.
Highly unlikely. If the only tools we had were intuition and instinct then we wouldn't have reached the high state of civilization and technology we enjoy today. Higher cognitive functions like learning ability and abstraction rely on reasoning. This is evident when you consider that an important part of an IQ test is logical reasoning. And reasoning is part of decision making; we give reasons to justify decisions, and also to explain natural phenomena and the behavior of individuals.
Quote from: Still on Jun 21, 10:38 PM 2019Well i've offered a positive intelligible theory about the phenomenon
Well it's still an open question whether there is actually any phenomenon to be explained. And although this doesn't mean much to you, the scientific community is pretty clear that it doesn't exist. You've given a hypothesis which explains precog (if it exists), but there are a lot of problems with it. In the first place, how could it ever be tested? Who or what is the "prime believer" and how did it come to exist? It also raises questions of free will and determination, because if we are just objects in a simulation and precognition is true it implies that we have no free will, in which case trying to develop precognition is pointless, and so is pretty much anything else. It's a philosophy which appears to encourage fatalism and nihilism.
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Quote from: hody79 on Jun 22, 06:42 AM 2019
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Pardon?
Quote from: Joe on Jun 22, 04:43 AM 2019
This is clearly false. Most of our knowledge doesn't come from direct experience, or sensory perception, but from either the testimony of others or reason (deduction of truths from existing knowledge). I guess you should include memory too.
What you describe as "knowledge", is not actually "knowing". Like I said, you got a lot of work to do to become conscious of what I said. If you never tasted an orange in your life, you will never KNOW how it tastes - no matter how accurately I describe it.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 22, 04:43 AM 2019
Highly unlikely. If the only tools we had were intuition and instinct then we wouldn't have reached the high state of civilization and technology we enjoy today. Higher cognitive functions like learning ability and abstraction rely on reasoning. This is evident when you consider that an important part of an IQ test is logical reasoning. And reasoning is part of decision making; we give reasons to justify decisions, and also to explain natural phenomena and the behavior of individuals.
LOL, you think that IQ test actually has any relevance? IQ tests are highly flawed, biased, and are not a good indicator whatsoever. With this, you have confirmed to me that you are a materialist, no matter how much you want to deny it.
The greatest inventions and creations do not come from thinking, logic, or from the mind. They come from being. This is how people are also able to use "precognition" to win at roulette.
I am not trying to come off as arrogant but I will say it for the last time: You are stuck in a materialist paradigm, and are totally clueless when it comes to these things - you are heavily disconnected from yourself.
Start doing meditation, self-inquiry, contemplating reality, and investigating on your own- until then you will be stuck in the same place. You are in for a rude awakening - everything that you ever thought about what is "reality" is false. You don't have to take my word for it, just do your own investigation if you are interested in truth.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 24, 06:18 AM 2019
What you describe as "knowledge", is not actually "knowing". Like I said, you got a lot of work to do to become conscious of what I said. If you never tasted an orange in your life, you will never KNOW how it tastes - no matter how accurately I describe it.
LOL, you think that IQ test actually has any relevance? IQ tests are highly flawed, biased, and are not a good indicator whatsoever. With this, you have confirmed to me that you are a materialist, no matter how much you want to deny it.
The greatest inventions and creations do not come from thinking, logic, or from the mind. They come from being. This is how people are also able to use "precognition" to win at roulette.
I am not trying to come off as arrogant but I will say it for the last time: You are stuck in a materialist paradigm, and are totally clueless when it comes to these things - you are heavily disconnected from yourself.
Start doing meditation, self-inquiry, contemplating reality, and investigating on your own- until then you will be stuck in the same place. You are in for a rude awakening - everything that you ever thought about what is "reality" is false. You don't have to take my word for it, just do your own investigation if you are interested in truth.
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Quote from: winforus on Jun 24, 06:18 AM 2019What you describe as "knowledge", is not actually "knowing". Like I said, you got a lot of work to do to become conscious of what I said. If you never tasted an orange in your life, you will never KNOW how it tastes - no matter how accurately I describe it.
Animals taste things too, but what sets us apart from them is our intellect. We can plan, imagine, reason, think introspectively, abstract, etc. Sensations may be the foundation, but that there is more to being human is obvious.
QuoteLOL, you think that IQ test actually has any relevance? IQ tests are highly flawed, biased, and are not a good indicator whatsoever.
Of course IQ tests don't tell the whole story; there is creativity and social and emotional intelligence. There are tests that have been designed to measure those qualities too. But standard IQ tests do measure something real, verbal and spatial reasoning being the most important, and they are very widely used, like them or not.
QuoteWith this, you have confirmed to me that you are a materialist, no matter how much you want to deny it.
Nope, I'm not. And you've confirmed to me that you can't do joined-up thinking very well because there's no connection between believing in IQ tests and being a materialist. Do you even know what the term means? Even from a scientific point of view it doesn't hold up.
But even if I was a materialist, you seem to think that's enough to somehow discredit me and dismiss all my arguments, and remove the need to make any yourself. How lazy is that?
QuoteThe greatest inventions and creations do not come from thinking, logic, or from the mind. They come from being.
More psychobabble. WTF does that mean?
QuoteStart doing meditation, self-inquiry, contemplating reality, and investigating on your own- until then you will be stuck in the same place.
You sure do make a lot of assumptions don't you? I've been practicing meditation for over 20 years. I would recommend it to everyone, but it doesn't mean you have to turn into a sandal-wearing vegan hippy who spouts new-age drivel, thinking that it sounds profound. ;D
link:s://sebpearce.com/bullshit/
I'm guessing you're a big fan of Deepak Chopra?
Joe, like I said, if you want to remain ignorant, that is your choice. You are clearly more interested in debating and trying to be right, than to do the work.
Meditation can be done in many different ways - a lot people do it on a very surface level and do not bring back any insights or transform their consciousness in any way. Self-Inquiry is an important aspect as well, which you can't skip. You clearly have been doing something wrong for 20 years.
I will no longer engage in discussions with you, it is clearly a waste of time for both of us.
I have studied these topics deeply, and have done the work - you clearly haven't. Why did I bring it up? Because it is connected to precognition.
I simply don't have the time, nor the energy to write out 20+ pages trying to explain these things to somebody who is so close-minded and clueless.
Precognition is only scratching the surface of what's out there. You are only beginning to attempt to play checkers, while others are playing chess.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me their results, lol. How hard can it be?
Yes, it's probably better if we agree to disagree. You think I'm closed-minded and clueless about precog and you're clearly clueless and closed-minded about systems and statistics.
It's a pity that you don't seem interested or capable of having a reasonable discussion about the evidence for precognition, because others (including me) might have learned something. Even a link or two would have done, but you seem more interested in putting down those who doubt precog. Strange.
Oh well.
Joe, i did publish results of a credible test, and the group tested specifically for roulette. I published only part of the document - the results. I also have my own tests and experience.
I understand statistics, as ive explaimed before it is impractical to get sufficient volume of tests. By then the subjects would be over it and probably lose accuracy.
I dont think precog is beyond the realm of possibility. Overall the data and experience i have suggests its real, but we are a long way from understanding what's going on.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 22, 04:53 AM 2019the scientific community is pretty clear that it doesn't exist. You've given a hypothesis which explains precog (if it exists), but there are a lot of problems with it.
It was once unthinkable that radio waves existed. Both we and the sclentific community don't know much compared to all possible knowledge.
The simple fact is precog test results are mixed. Many tests are not done properly because precog is not understood. Do we hold up paper and conclude radio waves don't exist because the paper doesn't get burnt?
Do we test precog with ordinary people off the street? Do we jist plonk a crystal ball in front of them and expect miracles?
We just don't know about this. Its not well understood. I believe it's real but very poorly understood.
Now this just happened; the #10 came and i won. But i just said #10 and it came again.
No thinking of precog or thoughts along this line; just said #10.
So is it subconscious suddenly was there or what made that thought happen.
Even experienced players have similar experiences often enough to think its not coincidence. It's like thinking if someone you forgot about for years, then they call on the phone seconds later. What are the chances?
It's all interesting but i cant yet say either way if it's reality in roulette or not.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 09:26 AM 2019It's like thinking if someone you forgot about for years, then they call on the phone seconds later. What are the chances?
This would be more likely (IMO) to be a case of telepathy rather than precognition, assuming it's not just coincidence of course. There have been studies done on this and the results do suggest that there is something going on other than mere coincidence.
link:s://:.sheldrake.org/research/telepathy/experimental-tests-for-telephone-telepathy
It's a good example of how experiments should be set up to test this kind of thing.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 26, 03:29 PM 2019This would be more likely (IMO) to be a case of telepathy rather than precognition
Yes it may be. That's what I meant by saying we don't really know what's going on.
Just leaving this here;
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Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 27, 11:30 AM 2019
Just leaving this here;
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Well done Precog.
Very good, thanks for the evidence. I think this will finally convince the cognitive dissonant among us.
So i see two versions of play. In the number three spot is where you are betting on a minority sector, and in the number one spot you are betting on a majority sector. May i ask what sector you are betting on?
In either case it looks like a 20% drawdown is to be expected, enroute to 10x gains over...about how much time was invested in these two days play?
Quote from: Still on Jul 27, 07:59 PM 2019about how much time was invest
Thanks still.
It was a long time ago but from what I remember, the positions were no specific, I played what I sensed.
Since then I have mostly focused on hitting single numbers.
Here are some research papers and reports for any precog players who need a little more assurance this is real. I know it can sometimes be a lonely road but this is true, just stay focused and keep practising.
Electrophysiology of Intuition: Pre-stimulus Responses in Group and Individual Participants Using a Roulette Paradigm
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4010965/
Overall, the results indicate that the revised protocol provides an effective objective measure for detecting a pre-stimulus response, which reflects a type of nonlocal intuition.
We Did See This Coming
link:s://library.noetic.org/library/publication-scholarly-papers/we-did-see-coming
link:s://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1501/1501.03179.pdf
Backward Causation
link:s://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-backwards/
Feeling the future: A meta-analysis of 90 experiments on the anomalous anticipation of random future events
link:s://:.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4706048/
Precognition as a Form of Prospection: A Review of the Evidence
link:://:.deanradin.com/articles/2018%20Precognition%20as%20a%20Form%20of%20Prospection%20cns_5_1_78.pdf
I hate to sound stupid but I am fairly new to roulette... but what is MPR? Does this forum have a dictionary of terms somewhere? Thanks.
Quote from: holy roller on Oct 23, 10:34 PM 2019
I hate to sound stupid but I am fairly new to roulette... but what is MPR? Does this forum have a dictionary of terms somewhere? Thanks.
It's a local roulette simulator put up by the owner of this forum so people can test their skills, or, more importantly, prove something. Stands for Multiplayer Roulette Game because the one game handles multiple people, just as a single live wheel can accomodate multiple players. A number drops every 30 seconds. But if you are the only player playing at the time, you can speed that up.
It will then keep score and post a few statistics on a leader board.
precogmiles has proved precognition works on the local "MPR" game but Joe doesn't consider it to be evidence which illustrates the always interesting relationship between people with biases and what's called evidence. Last i checked precogmiles was at the top of the leaderboard but i don't think Joe believes it.
Great to have you posting again precogmiles. I am interested in hearing about your progress on this journey so far.
How are your results like now with betting on single numbers? Do you still train on MPR or do real money betting as well?
Thanks Still.
Is there a link for the MPR on here? I would like to try it out. Maybe even give precog a run for his "money:. :D
Quote from: holy roller on Oct 24, 11:16 AM 2019
Thanks Still.
Is there a link for the MPR on here? I would like to try it out. Maybe even give precog a run for his "money:. :D
:.rouletteplayers.org
:.rouletteplayers.org/register
Not sure where leader board link is. There's a forum too. Just go home page and scroll down.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 24, 10:27 AM 2019
Great to have you posting again precogmiles. I am interested in hearing about your progress on this journey so far.
How are your results like now with betting on single numbers? Do you still train on MPR or do real money betting as well?
Hi winforus,
Its been a very interesting journey. I will be frank and admit that I do not always get it right. There will always be some losses in the game, this is expected.
From my research, what I can pass on to you is that belief is very important. Because there are so few precogs online giving detailed explanation about their methods I have found the telekinesis experts helpful on youtube. Precog and telekinsis, I believe had much in common. I have found they all mention the same thing. To understand the subtleties and nuances you need to practice this.
I would also advice you take your research from experts or those that can demonstrate what they preach. Do not waste your time with blogs found on google. Instead, visit esp forums, read research papers and understand their methods, understand your physiology.
The more you research this the more you will begin to understand that this is about self mastery. "KNOW THYSELF" was written at the entrance of the temple of apollo.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 24, 04:11 PM 2019
Hi winforus,
Its been a very interesting journey. I will be frank and admit that I do not always get it right. There will always be some losses in the game, this is expected.
From my research, what I can pass on to you is that belief is very important. Because there are so few precogs online giving detailed explanation about their methods I have found the telekinesis experts helpful on youtube. Precog and telekinsis, I believe had much in common. I have found they all mention the same thing. To understand the subtleties and nuances you need to practice this.
I would also advice you take your research from experts or those that can demonstrate what they preach. Do not waste your time with blogs found on google. Instead, visit esp forums, read research papers and understand their methods, understand your physiology.
The more you research this the more you will begin to understand that this is about self mastery. "KNOW THYSELF" was written at the entrance of the temple of apollo.
I agree, I found from my experience in general that belief is very important. This is where "law of attraction" principles come in as well.
In order to win in roulette with this, all you need to do is overcome the small edge %. It's all about the long run - and I believe these things can give you a far bigger edge than the casino would have on you, hence why Steve said he believes this is the future of AP.
This is indeed about self mastery, which is why we can also say that training these abilities have even far greater value outside of the roulette, and the roulette is a great training platform for this.
If you have any updates, please continue to post, I am very curious to where this journey will take you.
You need to move beyond belief.
It is not enough to merely "believe" you have the answer, in order for this to truly work you need to "know" the answer.
Yes and knowing doesnt mean you really, really believe. It means you understand.
And absolutely its self mastery. Its the state where you are connected.
Quote from: Still on Oct 24, 02:53 AM 2019precogmiles has proved precognition works on the local "MPR" game but Joe doesn't consider it to be evidence which illustrates the always interesting relationship between people with biases and what's called evidence. Last i checked precogmiles was at the top of the leaderboard but i don't think Joe believes it.
I believe that precogmiles is at the top of the leaderboard but of course that doesn't prove precognition, it could equally 'prove' that he either has a good system or is good at 'reading randomness'. It also doesn't rule out the possibility that he has just been lucky. Guessing roulette outcomes isn't a very good experiment for testing precognition because there are many alternatives that could explain positive results.
I don't know exactly how the scoring system on MPR works, but it's possible you could be at the top of the leaderboard without having obtained a statistically significant result. Why not do an experiment which uses a standard statistical test to evaluate the result?
This web site (link:s://psychicscience.org/staring) lets you test your precog ability and does a statistical analysis of the results, using a standard z-test. Perhaps precogmiles could get to the top of the leaderboard there too? :D If he does that I would start taking precognition more seriously.
Quote from: Joe on Oct 25, 03:19 AM 2019
I believe that precogmiles is at the top of the leaderboard but of course that doesn't prove precognition, it could equally 'prove' that he either has a good system or is good at 'reading randomness'. It also doesn't rule out the possibility that he has just been lucky. Guessing roulette outcomes isn't a very good experiment for testing precognition because there are many alternatives that could explain positive results.
All it proves is he got a bit lucky for a pittance of 500 spins then turned into a chicken and ran away to sit on an egg.
Taotie, harsh, but quite possibly true! ;D
BTW, there are several precog tests on the site I just mentioned.
link:s://psychicscience.org/PrecogTests
Quote from: Steve on Oct 25, 02:28 AM 2019And absolutely its self mastery.
What, like when I wake up and say, "that's it, I'm giving up the booze", and then by 8 o'clock that night I've destroyed half a bottle of whisky?
Quote from: Steve on Oct 25, 02:28 AM 2019Its the state where you are connected.
Connected to what?
Quote from: Joe on Oct 25, 04:24 AM 2019
Connected to what?
to the isness, or that which is, of course.
Quote from: Joe on Oct 25, 04:10 AM 2019
I don't know exactly how the scoring system on MPR works, but it's possible you could be at the top of the leaderboard without having obtained a statistically significant result. Why not do an experiment which uses a standard statistical test to evaluate the result?
This web site (link:s://psychicscience.org/staring) lets you test your precog ability and does a statistical analysis of the results, using a standard z-test. Perhaps precogmiles could get to the top of the leaderboard there too? :D If he does that I would start taking precognition more seriously.
Please continue to believe precognition is not real. :thumbsup:
Quote from: winforus on Oct 24, 05:31 PM 2019
I agree, I found from my experience in general that belief is very important. This is where "law of attraction" principles come in as well.
In order to win in roulette with this, all you need to do is overcome the small edge %. It's all about the long run - and I believe these things can give you a far bigger edge than the casino would have on you, hence why Steve said he believes this is the future of AP.
This is indeed about self mastery, which is why we can also say that training these abilities have even far greater value outside of the roulette, and the roulette is a great training platform for this.
If you have any updates, please continue to post, I am very curious to where this journey will take you.
I know this is from telekinesis but listen to these guys, especially when it when they mention stillness and calming the mind.
These two are the most legit youtube TK practitioners and they are giving advice, so take it.
Just having some more fun with MPR! :lol: :twisted: :twisted:
More evidence that precognition is the only way forward!
The People of the forum want a "How to make money with precognition" ::)
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 06, 07:17 PM 2020
The People of the forum want a "How to make money with precognition" ::)
Yes the people of the forum are system junkies who want a get rich quick system.
But systems do not work.
Only physics and precognition work.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 06, 07:26 PM 2020
Yes the people of the forum are system junkies who want a get rich quick system.
But systems do not work.
Only physics and precognition work.
Hahaha....man this is normal human behavior,because steves computers are very expensive for the most of us (unless you are wealthy) and precognition is a thing who nobody knows how exaclty to descripe,learn or even teach to others.So systems are the only alternative for us to make perhaps some money...
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 06, 07:38 PM 2020
Hahaha....man this is normal human behavior,because steves computers are very expensive for the most of us (unless you are wealthy) and precognition is a thing who nobody knows how exaclty to descripe,learn or even teach to others.So systems are the only alternative for us to make perhaps some money...
I understand, but systems are not an option because they don’t work.
People have been trying to beat roulette for 100s of years. If there was a system, someone would have found it by now. Casinos run a business they would not run a game that can be beaten by a maths professor.
Do you know how many phd mathematician and statistician work for casinos?
Search for casino analysts, quantitative analysts jobs.
Why do you think casinos are stupid?
Ye you are right, but like i said thats our only "alternative". For example codex, the guy from youtube who deleted his channel and claimed he found a method with Tesla, maybe he is making money with a system.I think somethink like a metaphysical system could beat roulette.
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 06, 08:09 PM 2020
Ye you are right, but like i said thats our only "alternative". For example codex, the guy from youtube who deleted his channel and claimed he found a method with Tesla, maybe he is making money with a system.I think somethink like a metaphysical system could beat roulette.
Yes, I remember codex, he was not using a staking system. Maybe he had a working method, but it definitely was not a system. He said, obtain, cultivate, manifest. So it was not based on previous numbers. Tesla369 went from using number history, to synchronicity from his last videos.
Both codex and tesla369 only show videos of winning sessions. It would have been better for them to use MPR or roulette simulator to prove their methods.
As long as they are not using maths or repeaters to play their method, it might be real, I don’t have enough data to go on.
I know most people who want to make some quick money off roulette only see systems as a possible way to win. But you have to remember that is also why casinos have roulette, because the house edge always beats a system long term. This is common sense.
Anyway precog is simple you just need to practice.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 06, 08:27 PM 2020
I know most people who want to make some quick money off roulette only see systems as a possible way to win. But you have to remember that is also why casinos have roulette, because the house edge always beats a system long term. This is common sense.
You must be funny guy here :o
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jan 07, 06:49 AM 2020
You must be funny guy here :o
You return after 3 years to write this? haha, you are a pretty funny guy yourself!
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 07, 11:06 AM 2020
You return after 3 years to write this? haha, you are a pretty funny guy yourself!
Same old story here, no solution for roulette, do you need help?
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jan 07, 01:46 PM 2020
Same old story here, no solution for roulette, do you need help?
Yes I do need help. Can you tell me how to get even better at precognition? I want to be able to play 1 number and get it right in the first spin.
Sometimes i think that this Forum or in generall the members here acting like they are in KIndergarten ^-^
Here are the methods used for the top 4 players on MPR
1) Intuitive = intuition
2) Testing6 = Got lucky with double dozens
3) Easygoing = intuition
4) Precognition = Precognition
I do not see any systems on the list!
So finally only luck excluding yours
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 07, 02:43 PM 2020
Sometimes i think that this Forum or in generall the members here acting like they are in KIndergarten ^-^
:twisted: :thumbsup:
I don't take this place too seriously. Especially, when it comes to system players.
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 07, 02:45 PM 2020
So finally only luck expect yours
Do you know what luck is?
More importantly why are there no systems on the list?
Systems basically based on luck, but yours not.Thats what you mean
Quote from: Clf7 on Jan 07, 02:51 PM 2020
Systems basically based on luck, but yours not.Thats what you mean
The whole purpose of a 'system' is to eliminate variance. They want consistent results.
But the reality is If a system player wins it is because of luck. If a system loses it is because of luck.
All systems are just a random bet, and luck plays the most important part.
To win legitmately you must learn/understand variance and random, which is the precog way.
Anyway, I am now officially leaving the forum for a few months.
To all precogers out there, keep practicing and keep the faith! Use my results as inspiration! Anyone can do it!
Precognition is the only way to win!
Good luck! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 07, 03:09 PM 2020Precognition is the only way to win!
So here's the real proof.
Take the 10 precogmiles MPR usernames (there could be a few more but it wouldn't make more than a slight difference if there were).
Add the total amount won for all his accounts = 7035659
Add the total amount bet for all his accounts = 7087709
Do the division for the overall precogmiles win rate = 0.9929563
Total spins = 24519
...And there you have it.
Time to start donating to ignatus, if you ask me.
The 10 precogmiles MPR usernames,
intuitive, precognition, pcm, pcm3, precog, pcm2, pcm4, pmiles, pcm6, precogmiles.
While I believe precognition is indeed real, I have not seen any statistically relevant test results from precogmiles, as I've stated before. Does it means his approach doesn't work? No. Simply not enough data means not enough data. If he has achieved better results than random, that's at least a positive indicator.
Its the same case for every other player on MPR - not enough data.
Any inexperienced player would respond "but you'll never play so many spins anyway". They'd say this because they dont understand basic statistics and statistical relevance.
When we look at all stats from MPR, we get this ratio of losses to wins:
324109973 / 331302786 = 0.978289307
Which is very close to what we'd expect because of the house edge. So if MPR was a real casino, it would have profited $7,192,813.
Anyway I'm currently writing a page than explains precognition, and many of the reasons I believe it is real.
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 29, 12:13 AM 2020
The 10 precogmiles MPR usernames,
intuitive, precognition, pcm, pcm3, precog, pcm2, pcm4, pmiles, pcm6, precogmiles.
Yes, don’t believe in precognition. Taotie is making an valid point here. How can you trust someone with so many names.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 07, 03:09 PM 2020Anyway, I am now officially leaving the forum for a few months.
Geez that didn't last long.
Anyway, just stating the facts.
I wouldn't have bothered if you hadn't stood up on your soap box making claims about it with cherry picked information.
To be fair, Steve did make it very clear from the beginning that if you want to make any claims on MPR you must use your forum username, so here is the result for precogmiles, your name on this forum. It's a decent result but the spin count is a pittance and barely worthy of interest.
precogmiles 5308 390 2284 2592 1.1348511
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 29, 01:02 AM 2020
Geez that didn't last long.
Anyway, just stating the facts.
I wouldn't have bothered if you hadn't stood up on your soap box making claims about it with cherry picked information.
That post was from before your amazing investigative work.
But I must say well done for debunking precognition.
I'm not saying precognition doesn't work. I'm saying you're not nearly as good at it as you lead people to believe...duh.
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 29, 01:10 AM 2020
I'm not saying precognition doesn't work. I'm saying you're not nearly as good at it as you lead people to believe...duh.
Oh yes sorry I forgot this is about me. Yes I am not good at precognition.
Who knows maybe all this precognition talk is nonsense, just not enough data. It also does fly in the face of basic science.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 12:57 AM 2020
Anyway I'm currently writing a page than explains precognition, and many of the reasons I believe it is real.
I look forward to reading it. :thumbsup:
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 29, 01:22 AM 2020Yes I am not good at precognition.
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Now that taotie has debunked me I guess nobody should take my views on precognition seriously. In fact assume everything i wrote about precognition to be false.
Taotie 2
Precogmiles 0
I’ll just add this to all the other threads I made so everyone can see taotie won.
The one thing I realised recently was how most people do not deserve to know about precognition.
You should practice it and keep it to yourself. Helping others is a thankless task.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 29, 02:19 AM 2020
The one thing I realised recently was how most people do not deserve to know about precognition.
You should practice it and keep it to yourself. Helping others is a thankless task.
Taotie 3
Precogmiles 0
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 29, 12:59 AM 2020Yes, don’t believe in precognition. Taotie is making an valid point here. How can you trust someone with so many names.
Yes, that's a good point. I don't see ANYONE else on MPR asking people to trust them on their performance. ONLY you, and only by using 1 or 2 favourable accounts.
The last person who tried to do this was XXVV and he turned out to be a cheat, plain and simple.
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 29, 04:07 AM 2020
Yes, that's a good point. I don't see ANYONE else on MPR asking people to trust them on their performance. ONLY you, and only by using 1 or 2 favourable accounts.
The last person who tried to do this was XXVV and he turned out to be a cheat, plain and simple.
Taotie 9
Precogmiles 0
Precognition doesn't work. Nobody should take this precognition stuff seriously. Keep up the good work Taotie.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 29, 07:09 AM 2020Precognition doesn't work.
Be careful what you wish for in your isness. The cosmos is listening because it can't not listen.
I'll give you a double free shot cause I'm a nice guy.
Taotie 8
Precogmiles 1
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 29, 07:35 AM 2020
Be careful what you wish for in your isness. The cosmos is listening because it can't not listen.
I'll give you a free shot cause I'm a nice guy.
Taotie 8
Precogmiles 1
You are doing great.
Taotie 15
Precogmiles 0
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 29, 07:41 AM 2020
Taotie 15
Precogmiles 0
At this win rate I'm doing better here than you are on MPR. :xd:
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 29, 07:45 AM 2020
At this win rate I'm doing better here than you are on MPR. :xd:
Amazing! :ooh:
Taotie 37854986
Precogmiles 0
Precogmiles has been utterly debunked.
All jokes aside. Nobody should believe some random person online. Taotie I appreciate your approach, people need to do the research for themselves. Calculate claims and come to your own conclusion.
Hey Steve, you know how you changed my avatar title to "MODERATOR, who owes Steve an ounce". Considering his admission could you please change precogmiles avatar title to, "Utterly debunked member".
Thanks.
Taotie doesn't understand that precognition is a skill that can be learned with practice, and over time - you would get better results.
MPR is used specifically for practice. Yes due to a small sample size, it would be very hard to have any statistical reference, because in order to have the best results, players using precognition play a much smaller volume in general.
Taking all of the data since the player has started using precognition to the end wouldn't be right either - as overtime the skill increases.
The stats on MPR are not really made to "prove" you anything, but just to inspire people to exploring precognition.
Weather you believe in precogntion or you don't, one thing you can be 100% sure about, is that is has more merit than any Roulette "system" out there.
Taotie, you should be more concerned about debunking the mass number of dumb system players, not the few individuals that went outside of the box and are trying something different.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 29, 02:19 AM 2020
The one thing I realised recently was how most people do not deserve to know about precognition.
You should practice it and keep it to yourself. Helping others is a thankless task.
You should not be doing what you are doing to please most people, but to help a select few. Imo it is worth it.
Quote from: winforus on Jan 29, 01:18 PM 2020
Taotie doesn't understand that precognition is a skill that can be learned with practice, and over time - you would get better results.
MPR is used specifically for practice. Yes due to a small sample size, it would be very hard to have any statistical reference, because in order to have the best results, players using precognition play a much smaller volume in general.
Taking all of the data since the player has started using precognition to the end wouldn't be right either - as overtime the skill increases.
The stats on MPR are not really made to "prove" you anything, but just to inspire people to exploring precognition.
Weather you believe in precogntion or you don't, one thing you can be 100% sure about, is that is has more merit than any Roulette "system" out there.
Taotie, you should be more concerned about debunking the mass number of dumb system players, not the few individuals that went outside of the box and are trying something different.
Good points. But I wouldn't take Taotie too seriously. He is an edgy type of guy on an ego trip.
The more certain I become of precognition and the better my results get, the more my attitude to naysayers becomes dismissive. Not because I am arrogant, but because I do not see any benefit in it. Whoever does not believe me, enjoy your ignorance. I honestly do not care.
Have you been practising it lately? winforus
The naysayers represent the collective believes of the masses. You can't expect that they blindly accept your position. Of course they will doubt it. In the meantime they bring up all type of counter evidence to sharpen you in your journey. Eventually as more and more people join in this breakthrough the amount of evidence will reach a critical mass and this phenomena becomes slowly accepted.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jan 29, 01:38 PM 2020
You should not be doing what you are doing to please most people, but to help a select few. Imo it is worth it.
I am more than willing to help anyone who has any genuine questions but you have to understand.... I remember the many hours and days I spent researching just one method to see if it would work. and I have tested 100's of different methods. And there were times I doubted myself thinking If I am just wasting my time. Some people do not want to put in the work or effort needed to do this so there is no desperate need for me to give knowledge away to ungrateful people.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jan 29, 02:03 PM 2020The naysayers represent the collective believes of the masses. You can't expect that they blindly accept your position. Of course they will doubt it. In the meantime they bring up all type of counter evidence to sharpen you in your journey. Eventually as more and more people join in this breakthrough the amount of evidence will reach a critical mass and this phenomena becomes slowly accepted.
I used to believe the more people that do precog the better but now I think that it might not actually be a good idea to spread this knowledge. Why dry up the well? If a everyone starts to take precognition seriously then it would give us less opportunities to milk the both casinos and now I've recently started trading.
I am happy Taotie has put doubt in the minds of people.
You should not be worrying. The acceptance of precognition will take some time.
When that happens there will be more lucrative propositions for you to take. Think positively.
Let that fear based conditioning pass by you.
Do not expect any outside gratitude from other people. You will get the gratitude when you need it. At this stage the doubts of other people should fill you with the fire to go forward. You really owe them, without all the doubt you received you would never be in your position to help.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jan 29, 02:44 PM 2020
You should not be worrying. The acceptance of precognition will take some time.
When that happens there will be more lucrative propositions for you to take. Think positively.
Let that fear based conditioning pass by you.
Do not expect any outside gratitude from other people. You will get the gratitude when you need it. At this stage the doubts of other people should fill you with the fire to go forward. You really owe them, without all the doubt you received you would never be in your position to help.
You may be right.
Taotie doesn't understand that precognition is a skill that can be learned with practice, and over time - you would get better results.
Yes he does.
Taking all of the data since the player has started using precognition to the end wouldn't be right either - as overtime the skill increases.
That means the overall data is a truer measure of the players skill level, especially when some of the lesser performed accounts were created after.
The stats on MPR are not really made to "prove" you anything, but just to inspire people to exploring precognition.
Oh really? I suggest you read the title of this very thread.
Weather you believe in precogntion or you don't, one thing you can be 100% sure about, is that is has more merit than any Roulette "system" out there.
No real evidence of that yet, certainly not looking at the precogmiles MPR data in full. It's much the same as the system players = 0.9929563
Taotie, you should be more concerned about debunking the mass number of dumb system players, not the few individuals that went outside of the box and are trying something different.
Plenty of others around doing that.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 29, 01:51 PM 2020He is an edgy type of guy on an ego trip.
Pot kettle black moment.
Quote from: winforus on Jan 29, 01:18 PM 2020Taotie, you should be more concerned about debunking the mass number of dumb system players
See, this is the type of passive aggressive, separatist statement that drives a wedge in the whole debate. You guys continue to belittle the system playing masses calling them 'dumb' because they're not ready or prepared to follow in the precog's leading light. It's typical of fanatics everywhere.
You guys are the one's on the ego trip.
To be fair, Kairomancer does not appear lean toward this disrespectful attitude like you others. He therefore would most likely be more advanced as a precog. Your skill set level and respect for others go hand in hand. Don't believe me? Test it out for yourself. See when you perfom better, when you are at peace and respectful of the world or when you are at odds with it all.
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 29, 03:47 PM 2020
See, this is the type of passive aggressive, separatist statement that drives a wedge in the whole debate. You guys continue to belittle the system playing masses calling them 'dumb' because they're not ready or prepared to follow in the precog's leading light. It's typical of fanatics everywhere.
You guys are the one's on the ego trip.
To be fair, Kairomancer does not appear lean toward this disrespectful attitude like you others. He therefore would most likely be more advanced as a precog. Your skill set level and respect for others go hand in hand. Don't believe me? Test it out for yourself. See when you perfom better, when you are at peace and respectful of the world or when you are at odds with it all.
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You should have stuck to the edgy angsty nonsense you were writing earlier.
Taotie keep up the good work. Keep debunking these arrogant precogers.
Good, make a rod for your own back.
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 29, 03:47 PM 2020
See, this is the type of passive aggressive, separatist statement that drives a wedge in the whole debate. You guys continue to belittle the system playing masses calling them 'dumb' because they're not ready or prepared to follow in the precog's leading light. It's typical of fanatics everywhere.
You guys are the one's on the ego trip.
To be fair, Kairomancer does not appear lean toward this disrespectful attitude like you others. He therefore would most likely be more advanced as a precog. Your skill set level and respect for others go hand in hand. Don't believe me? Test it out for yourself. See when you perfom better, when you are at peace and respectful of the world or when you are at odds with it all.
It doesn't take much to understand why all of the "systems" fail. In fact, Steve has debunked them and has been doing it for years. This has nothing to do with them believing or not believing in precognition.
Take a close look in the mirror, and you will see a huge hypocrite - your attitude is beyond disrespectful and childish, yet you are going to point a finger and take the high ground here?
Leave the Precognition to people who are interested in learning and make a better use of your time. You will not get any "proof", "evidence" here, nor will you win any "debates".
Evidence based,.. precog fails too, understand?
Or are you too dumb?
Haha, see what I did there? :girl_to:
Quote from: precogmiles on Jan 29, 01:51 PM 2020
Good points. But I wouldn't take Taotie too seriously. He is an edgy type of guy on an ego trip.
The more certain I become of precognition and the better my results get, the more my attitude to naysayers becomes dismissive. Not because I am arrogant, but because I do not see any benefit in it. Whoever does not believe me, enjoy your ignorance. I honestly do not care.
Have you been practising it lately? winforus
I have been practicing it on and off, whenever I have time available I try to practice.. What I have realized, is that this skill is really transferable to outside of Roulette. Weather it's other games, or even life situations - it's priceless.
I suggest for you precogmiles to not waste time on nonsayers, and people who come here with the intent to argue/win debates - it's a waste of your energy. If somebody wants to learn and has an open mind, then they are certainly worth engaging. Taotie just can't be helped - he is like a starving dog looking to win debates/arguments, he is not interested in truth.
Quote from: winforus on Jan 29, 04:50 PM 2020I have been practicing it on and off, whenever I have time available I try to practice.. What I have realized, is that this skill is really transferable to outside of Roulette. Weather it's other games, or even life situations - it's priceless.
I agree it is a really useful skill, not just for roulette.
Quote from: winforus on Jan 29, 04:50 PM 2020I suggest for you precogmiles to not waste time on nonsayers, and people who come here with the intent to argue/win debates - it's a waste of your energy. If somebody wants to learn and has an open mind, then they are certainly worth engaging. Taotie just can't be helped - he is like a starving dog looking to win debates/arguments, he is not interested in truth.
You are right, naysayers are useless to debate with. They don't bring anything worthwhile to the conversation.
| Date | Time | | #1 | | | | | | #2 | | | | | | #3 | | | | | | #4 | | | | | | #5 | | | | | | Units |
| 1-3-2020 | 18:15:00 | | 34 | | 23 | 13 | 23 | | 32 | | 8 | 22 | 30 | | 14 | | 13 | 17 | 4 | | 23 | | 7 | 22 | 27 | | 24 | | 3 | 23 | 11 | | -75 |
| 2-3-2020 | 11:20:00 | | 36 | | 32 | 13 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 26 |
| 3-3-2020 | 16:02:00 | | 24 | | 9 | 27 | 28 | | 26 | | 0 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 16 |
| 4-3-2020 | 14:12:00 | | 27 | | 27 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 5-3-2020 | 14:50:00 | | 26 | | 2 | 29 | 19 | | 30 | | 31 | 27 | 34 | | 13 | | 29 | 20 | 9 | | 35 | | 18 | 28 | 6 | | 2 | | 36 | 1 | 35 | | -45 |
| 6-3-2020 | 12:01:00 | | 5 | | 3 | 0 | 19 | | 25 | | 28 | 15 | 11 | | 36 | | 9 | 11 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 7-3-2020 | 13:28:00 | | 25 | | 26 | 17 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 8-3-2020 | 15:04:00 | | 22 | | 0 | 16 | 32 | | 23 | | 27 | 10 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 21 |
| 9-3-2020 | 14:18:00 | | 32 | | 5 | 20 | 10 | | 29 | | 2 | 5 | 3 | | 5 | | 34 | 36 | 17 | | 33 | | 12 | 2 | 8 | | 13 | | 24 | 28 | 13 | | -9 |
| 10-3-2020 | 12:48:00 | | 20 | | 30 | 20 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 11-3-2020 | 14:52:00 | | 19 | | 10 | 35 | 21 | | 24 | | 31 | 29 | 9 | | 27 | | 21 | 4 | 19 | | 8 | | 11 | 8 | | | | | | | | | 3 |
| 12-3-2020 | 13:45:00 | | 5 | | 30 | 34 | 33 | | 20 | | 31 | 0 | 8 | | 11 | | 25 | 30 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 13-3-2020 | 13:15:00 | | 17 | | 33 | 32 | 30 | | 24 | | 20 | 36 | 16 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 18 |
| 14-3-2020 | 13:10:00 | | 30 | | 6 | 2 | 13 | | 21 | | 31 | 36 | 0 | | 3 | | 20 | 33 | 23 | | 28 | | 34 | 31 | 8 | | 0 | | 22 | 9 | 20 | | -45 |
| 15-3-2020 | 12:28:00 | | 7 | | 17 | 32 | 26 | | 34 | | 5 | 22 | 27 | | 18 | | 28 | 35 | 27 | | 20 | | 24 | 28 | 22 | | 23 | | 22 | 14 | 11 | | -45 |
| 16-3-2020 | 15:07:00 | | 33 | | 4 | 35 | 3 | | 36 | | 5 | 26 | 2 | | 12 | | 2 | 35 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 17-3-2020 | 14:40:00 | | 2 | | 24 | 3 | 32 | | 35 | | 33 | 11 | 30 | | 4 | | 15 | 12 | 8 | | 34 | | 36 | 15 | 0 | | 12 | | 12 | | | | -3 |
| 17-3-2020 | 19:30:00 | | 9 | | 4 | 8 | 15 | | 1 | | 7 | 23 | 23 | | 11 | | 32 | 30 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 18-3-2020 | 15:09:00 | | 6 | | 2 | 28 | 6 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 27 |
| 19-3-2020 | 14:53:00 | | 7 | | 29 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 20-3-2020 | 15:03:00 | | 19 | | 26 | 6 | 36 | | 9 | | 31 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 24 |
| 21-3-2020 | 13:40:00 | | 26 | | 21 | 26 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 22-3-2020 | 12:30:00 | | 10 | | 31 | 4 | 12 | | 13 | | 21 | 17 | 0 | | 19 | | 28 | 35 | 34 | | 8 | | 5 | 16 | 28 | | 1 | | 34 | 19 | 25 | | -45 |
| 23-3-2020 | 18:48:00 | | 11 | | 11 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 24-3-2020 | 15:26:00 | | 23 | | 1 | 12 | 29 | | 14 | | 18 | 36 | 12 | | 7 | | 1 | 12 | 17 | | 6 | | 9 | 26 | 12 | | 0 | | 25 | 20 | 0 | | -9 |
| 25-3-2020 | 10:53:00 | | 12 | | 28 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 26-3-2020 | 14:21:00 | | 9 | | 6 | 19 | 13 | | 21 | | 3 | 14 | 20 | | 20 | | 17 | 20 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 27-3-2020 | 14:23:00 | | 32 | | 22 | 2 | 5 | | 8 | | 0 | 12 | 1 | | 24 | | 2 | 1 | 31 | | 35 | | 31 | 36 | 15 | | 26 | | 18 | 34 | 13 | | -45 |
| 28-3-2020 | 10:49:00 | | 1 | | 4 | 1 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 29-3-2020 | 13:07:00 | | 15 | | 5 | 21 | 32 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 27 |
| 30-3-2020 | 14:26:00 | | 16 | | 26 | 15 | 20 | | 15 | | 10 | 3 | 29 | | 8 | | 32 | 34 | 36 | | 0 | | 12 | 19 | 3 | | 2 | | 27 | 7 | 21 | | -9 |
| 30-3-2020 | 14:47:00 | | 32 | | 23 | 16 | 20 | | 8 | | 31 | 35 | 7 | | 4 | | 16 | 36 | 14 | | 26 | | 29 | 35 | 2 | | 15 | | 16 | 16 | 11 | | -45 |
| 31-3-2020 | 12:49:00 | | 13 | | 32 | 18 | 22 | | 18 | | 33 | 15 | 29 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 18 |
Total profit: 117 units.
Maybe the table is somewhat hard to read.
Date and time are obvious.
Next we got #1 till #5. Those are my guesses. Every gues has 3 tries. If i have profit is quit. Easy as that.
First 3 days i played 5 numbers. After that i played 3 numbers. Those first 3 days costed me 42 units. Less = more ;)
Till next month!
Guess who number 7 on the leaderboard is?
:lol: :twisted:
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 15, 12:58 PM 2020
Guess who number 7 on the leaderboard is?
:lol: :twisted:
Not enough spins ;)
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 15, 01:29 PM 2020
Not enough spins ;)
:lol: :lol:
:twisted: :twisted: I know, the skeptic will never accept it no matter how much evidence we provide.
Frankly I really dont give a f**k about skeptics. Who cares? I dont want nor need to convince anyone... I write and report my experience only to help those who are open to believe but still dont realize this could be possible.
Nice results! But if your aim is to convince people, please use just one account instead of a different one every couple of months.
Although that probably wouldn't convince anyone either... There are some very impressive results on MPR, those who have over 1.0 win rate after tens of thousands of spins. I still don't believe they have a mathematical edge though....
Looks like some religion fanatic one(s) and the worse is that he call system players dumbs , what a character.....
He must be some mix/remix of Jehovah's Witnesses / Nostradamus and Enstein.....
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 16, 05:11 PM 2020
Looks like some religion fanatic one(s) and the worse is that he call system players dumbs , what a character.....
He must be some mix/remix of Jehovah's Witnesses / Nostradamus and Enstein.....
:lol: :lol: :lol: :xd: :xd: :xd:
Very funny
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 17, 03:36 PM 2020
:lol: :lol: :lol: :xd: :xd: :xd:
Very funny
Precogs, you cant dicaccept my views about rulette agains your team.
Quote from: ati on Apr 16, 04:30 PM 2020
Nice results! But if your aim is to convince people, please use just one account instead of a different one every couple of months.
Although that probably wouldn't convince anyone either... There are some very impressive results on MPR, those who have over 1.0 win rate after tens of thousands of spins. I still don't believe they have a mathematical edge though....
Thanks, this is just me having some fun. If I used the same account skeptics would definitely complain. It also wouldn't show my progress over time. I thought that was just obvious. If you want an accurate picture of precognition you need to have tests depending on the method used. The better my method becomes the better my scores. This would not be clear if I had just one account.
Plus you have to understand that since you can't change your name on MPR, it means using a name like 'precognition' or 'precog' would be very risky if I was not convinced this was real.
MPR now has 3 accounts in the top 7 that use intuitive/precog methods.
Regardless of the evidence, nothing changes for most people as this ability requires time and effort to practice.
System junkies want a method they can copy and use without putting in the effort. Good luck with that.
Quote from: Galabatov on Apr 16, 04:12 AM 2020
Frankly I really dont give a f**k about skeptics. Who cares? I dont want nor need to convince anyone... I write and report my experience only to help those who are open to believe but still dont realize this could be possible.
That's the right mentality. Skeptic are a waste of time.
Keep writing your research on the forum it is always a pleasure to read it.
Quote from: RayManZ on Mar 31, 12:37 PM 2020
| Date | Time | | #1 | | | | | | #2 | | | | | | #3 | | | | | | #4 | | | | | | #5 | | | | | | Units |
| 1-3-2020 | 18:15:00 | | 34 | | 23 | 13 | 23 | | 32 | | 8 | 22 | 30 | | 14 | | 13 | 17 | 4 | | 23 | | 7 | 22 | 27 | | 24 | | 3 | 23 | 11 | | -75 |
| 2-3-2020 | 11:20:00 | | 36 | | 32 | 13 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 26 |
| 3-3-2020 | 16:02:00 | | 24 | | 9 | 27 | 28 | | 26 | | 0 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 16 |
| 4-3-2020 | 14:12:00 | | 27 | | 27 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 5-3-2020 | 14:50:00 | | 26 | | 2 | 29 | 19 | | 30 | | 31 | 27 | 34 | | 13 | | 29 | 20 | 9 | | 35 | | 18 | 28 | 6 | | 2 | | 36 | 1 | 35 | | -45 |
| 6-3-2020 | 12:01:00 | | 5 | | 3 | 0 | 19 | | 25 | | 28 | 15 | 11 | | 36 | | 9 | 11 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 7-3-2020 | 13:28:00 | | 25 | | 26 | 17 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 8-3-2020 | 15:04:00 | | 22 | | 0 | 16 | 32 | | 23 | | 27 | 10 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 21 |
| 9-3-2020 | 14:18:00 | | 32 | | 5 | 20 | 10 | | 29 | | 2 | 5 | 3 | | 5 | | 34 | 36 | 17 | | 33 | | 12 | 2 | 8 | | 13 | | 24 | 28 | 13 | | -9 |
| 10-3-2020 | 12:48:00 | | 20 | | 30 | 20 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 11-3-2020 | 14:52:00 | | 19 | | 10 | 35 | 21 | | 24 | | 31 | 29 | 9 | | 27 | | 21 | 4 | 19 | | 8 | | 11 | 8 | | | | | | | | | 3 |
| 12-3-2020 | 13:45:00 | | 5 | | 30 | 34 | 33 | | 20 | | 31 | 0 | 8 | | 11 | | 25 | 30 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 13-3-2020 | 13:15:00 | | 17 | | 33 | 32 | 30 | | 24 | | 20 | 36 | 16 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 18 |
| 14-3-2020 | 13:10:00 | | 30 | | 6 | 2 | 13 | | 21 | | 31 | 36 | 0 | | 3 | | 20 | 33 | 23 | | 28 | | 34 | 31 | 8 | | 0 | | 22 | 9 | 20 | | -45 |
| 15-3-2020 | 12:28:00 | | 7 | | 17 | 32 | 26 | | 34 | | 5 | 22 | 27 | | 18 | | 28 | 35 | 27 | | 20 | | 24 | 28 | 22 | | 23 | | 22 | 14 | 11 | | -45 |
| 16-3-2020 | 15:07:00 | | 33 | | 4 | 35 | 3 | | 36 | | 5 | 26 | 2 | | 12 | | 2 | 35 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 17-3-2020 | 14:40:00 | | 2 | | 24 | 3 | 32 | | 35 | | 33 | 11 | 30 | | 4 | | 15 | 12 | 8 | | 34 | | 36 | 15 | 0 | | 12 | | 12 | | | | -3 |
| 17-3-2020 | 19:30:00 | | 9 | | 4 | 8 | 15 | | 1 | | 7 | 23 | 23 | | 11 | | 32 | 30 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 18-3-2020 | 15:09:00 | | 6 | | 2 | 28 | 6 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 27 |
| 19-3-2020 | 14:53:00 | | 7 | | 29 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 20-3-2020 | 15:03:00 | | 19 | | 26 | 6 | 36 | | 9 | | 31 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 24 |
| 21-3-2020 | 13:40:00 | | 26 | | 21 | 26 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 22-3-2020 | 12:30:00 | | 10 | | 31 | 4 | 12 | | 13 | | 21 | 17 | 0 | | 19 | | 28 | 35 | 34 | | 8 | | 5 | 16 | 28 | | 1 | | 34 | 19 | 25 | | -45 |
| 23-3-2020 | 18:48:00 | | 11 | | 11 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 24-3-2020 | 15:26:00 | | 23 | | 1 | 12 | 29 | | 14 | | 18 | 36 | 12 | | 7 | | 1 | 12 | 17 | | 6 | | 9 | 26 | 12 | | 0 | | 25 | 20 | 0 | | -9 |
| 25-3-2020 | 10:53:00 | | 12 | | 28 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 26-3-2020 | 14:21:00 | | 9 | | 6 | 19 | 13 | | 21 | | 3 | 14 | 20 | | 20 | | 17 | 20 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 27-3-2020 | 14:23:00 | | 32 | | 22 | 2 | 5 | | 8 | | 0 | 12 | 1 | | 24 | | 2 | 1 | 31 | | 35 | | 31 | 36 | 15 | | 26 | | 18 | 34 | 13 | | -45 |
| 28-3-2020 | 10:49:00 | | 1 | | 4 | 1 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 29-3-2020 | 13:07:00 | | 15 | | 5 | 21 | 32 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 27 |
| 30-3-2020 | 14:26:00 | | 16 | | 26 | 15 | 20 | | 15 | | 10 | 3 | 29 | | 8 | | 32 | 34 | 36 | | 0 | | 12 | 19 | 3 | | 2 | | 27 | 7 | 21 | | -9 |
| 30-3-2020 | 14:47:00 | | 32 | | 23 | 16 | 20 | | 8 | | 31 | 35 | 7 | | 4 | | 16 | 36 | 14 | | 26 | | 29 | 35 | 2 | | 15 | | 16 | 16 | 11 | | -45 |
| 31-3-2020 | 12:49:00 | | 13 | | 32 | 18 | 22 | | 18 | | 33 | 15 | 29 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 18 |
Total profit: 117 units.
Maybe the table is somewhat hard to read.
Date and time are obvious.
Next we got #1 till #5. Those are my guesses. Every gues has 3 tries. If i have profit is quit. Easy as that.
First 3 days i played 5 numbers. After that i played 3 numbers. Those first 3 days costed me 42 units. Less = more ;)
Till next month!
Nice Ramiz, I am glad that you alived
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/d89da5e5c973cc200df7b61872e881f1
Just practising and having fun.
Flat betting single number, 250 units each time. Bet on each spin.
Result:
965 spins
101,700 profit
Equal to winning 4 times the amount bet for 965 spins.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 19, 03:17 PM 2020
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/game/d89da5e5c973cc200df7b61872e881f1
Just practising and having fun.
Flat betting single number, 250 units each time. Bet on each spin.
Result:
965 spins
101,700 profit
Equal to winning 4 times the amount bet for 965 spins.
I don't see any evidence of anyone on here grasping any concrete method except for ESP. I don't doubt your ability hence I would like to challenge you one day when the dust settles. Practical physics vs ESP.
Quote from: Moxy on Apr 19, 03:47 PM 2020
I don't see any evidence of anyone on here grasping any concrete method except for ESP. I don't doubt your ability hence I would like to challenge you one day when the dust settles. Practical physics vs ESP.
I believe there are two ways to win at roulette precognition and physics.
The only issue with physics is that it can't be played online and when casinos can easily counter it by closing bets before spins.
I guess before I accept your challenge you would need to demonstrate that you can actually play using physics.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 19, 04:06 PM 2020
I believe there are two ways to win at roulette precognition and physics.
The only issue with physics is that it can't be played online and when casinos can easily counter it by closing bets before spins.
I guess before I accept your challenge you would need to demonstrate that you can actually play using physics.
Of course. I wouldn't bring it up if I couldn't. Just for fun.
No gadgets required. Just a little weighting and physics.
Quote from: Moxy on Apr 19, 04:14 PM 2020
Of course. I wouldn't bring it up if I couldn't. Just for fun.
No gadgets required. Just a little weighting and physics.
Then sure why not.
4 precog/intuitive accounts in the top 10 on MPR now.
:lol: :lol: :twisted:
If you system junkies really believe your systems have an edge then just prove it on MPR.
The only way to beat roulette is by precognition or physics. That is the reality.
Quote from: RayManZ on Mar 31, 12:37 PM 2020
| Date | Time | | #1 | | | | | | #2 | | | | | | #3 | | | | | | #4 | | | | | | #5 | | | | | | Units |
| 1-3-2020 | 18:15:00 | | 34 | | 23 | 13 | 23 | | 32 | | 8 | 22 | 30 | | 14 | | 13 | 17 | 4 | | 23 | | 7 | 22 | 27 | | 24 | | 3 | 23 | 11 | | -75 |
| 2-3-2020 | 11:20:00 | | 36 | | 32 | 13 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 26 |
| 3-3-2020 | 16:02:00 | | 24 | | 9 | 27 | 28 | | 26 | | 0 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 16 |
| 4-3-2020 | 14:12:00 | | 27 | | 27 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 5-3-2020 | 14:50:00 | | 26 | | 2 | 29 | 19 | | 30 | | 31 | 27 | 34 | | 13 | | 29 | 20 | 9 | | 35 | | 18 | 28 | 6 | | 2 | | 36 | 1 | 35 | | -45 |
| 6-3-2020 | 12:01:00 | | 5 | | 3 | 0 | 19 | | 25 | | 28 | 15 | 11 | | 36 | | 9 | 11 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 7-3-2020 | 13:28:00 | | 25 | | 26 | 17 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 8-3-2020 | 15:04:00 | | 22 | | 0 | 16 | 32 | | 23 | | 27 | 10 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 21 |
| 9-3-2020 | 14:18:00 | | 32 | | 5 | 20 | 10 | | 29 | | 2 | 5 | 3 | | 5 | | 34 | 36 | 17 | | 33 | | 12 | 2 | 8 | | 13 | | 24 | 28 | 13 | | -9 |
| 10-3-2020 | 12:48:00 | | 20 | | 30 | 20 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 11-3-2020 | 14:52:00 | | 19 | | 10 | 35 | 21 | | 24 | | 31 | 29 | 9 | | 27 | | 21 | 4 | 19 | | 8 | | 11 | 8 | | | | | | | | | 3 |
| 12-3-2020 | 13:45:00 | | 5 | | 30 | 34 | 33 | | 20 | | 31 | 0 | 8 | | 11 | | 25 | 30 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 13-3-2020 | 13:15:00 | | 17 | | 33 | 32 | 30 | | 24 | | 20 | 36 | 16 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 18 |
| 14-3-2020 | 13:10:00 | | 30 | | 6 | 2 | 13 | | 21 | | 31 | 36 | 0 | | 3 | | 20 | 33 | 23 | | 28 | | 34 | 31 | 8 | | 0 | | 22 | 9 | 20 | | -45 |
| 15-3-2020 | 12:28:00 | | 7 | | 17 | 32 | 26 | | 34 | | 5 | 22 | 27 | | 18 | | 28 | 35 | 27 | | 20 | | 24 | 28 | 22 | | 23 | | 22 | 14 | 11 | | -45 |
| 16-3-2020 | 15:07:00 | | 33 | | 4 | 35 | 3 | | 36 | | 5 | 26 | 2 | | 12 | | 2 | 35 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 17-3-2020 | 14:40:00 | | 2 | | 24 | 3 | 32 | | 35 | | 33 | 11 | 30 | | 4 | | 15 | 12 | 8 | | 34 | | 36 | 15 | 0 | | 12 | | 12 | | | | -3 |
| 17-3-2020 | 19:30:00 | | 9 | | 4 | 8 | 15 | | 1 | | 7 | 23 | 23 | | 11 | | 32 | 30 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 18-3-2020 | 15:09:00 | | 6 | | 2 | 28 | 6 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 27 |
| 19-3-2020 | 14:53:00 | | 7 | | 29 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 20-3-2020 | 15:03:00 | | 19 | | 26 | 6 | 36 | | 9 | | 31 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 24 |
| 21-3-2020 | 13:40:00 | | 26 | | 21 | 26 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 22-3-2020 | 12:30:00 | | 10 | | 31 | 4 | 12 | | 13 | | 21 | 17 | 0 | | 19 | | 28 | 35 | 34 | | 8 | | 5 | 16 | 28 | | 1 | | 34 | 19 | 25 | | -45 |
| 23-3-2020 | 18:48:00 | | 11 | | 11 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 24-3-2020 | 15:26:00 | | 23 | | 1 | 12 | 29 | | 14 | | 18 | 36 | 12 | | 7 | | 1 | 12 | 17 | | 6 | | 9 | 26 | 12 | | 0 | | 25 | 20 | 0 | | -9 |
| 25-3-2020 | 10:53:00 | | 12 | | 28 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 33 |
| 26-3-2020 | 14:21:00 | | 9 | | 6 | 19 | 13 | | 21 | | 3 | 14 | 20 | | 20 | | 17 | 20 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 12 |
| 27-3-2020 | 14:23:00 | | 32 | | 22 | 2 | 5 | | 8 | | 0 | 12 | 1 | | 24 | | 2 | 1 | 31 | | 35 | | 31 | 36 | 15 | | 26 | | 18 | 34 | 13 | | -45 |
| 28-3-2020 | 10:49:00 | | 1 | | 4 | 1 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 30 |
| 29-3-2020 | 13:07:00 | | 15 | | 5 | 21 | 32 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 27 |
| 30-3-2020 | 14:26:00 | | 16 | | 26 | 15 | 20 | | 15 | | 10 | 3 | 29 | | 8 | | 32 | 34 | 36 | | 0 | | 12 | 19 | 3 | | 2 | | 27 | 7 | 21 | | -9 |
| 30-3-2020 | 14:47:00 | | 32 | | 23 | 16 | 20 | | 8 | | 31 | 35 | 7 | | 4 | | 16 | 36 | 14 | | 26 | | 29 | 35 | 2 | | 15 | | 16 | 16 | 11 | | -45 |
| 31-3-2020 | 12:49:00 | | 13 | | 32 | 18 | 22 | | 18 | | 33 | 15 | 29 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 18 |
Total profit: 117 units.
Maybe the table is somewhat hard to read.
Date and time are obvious.
Next we got #1 till #5. Those are my guesses. Every gues has 3 tries. If i have profit is quit. Easy as that.
First 3 days i played 5 numbers. After that i played 3 numbers. Those first 3 days costed me 42 units. Less = more ;)
Till next month!
April update.
Just did my last session for april. Instead of posting the whole excel of all my best. Here is the summery.
MARCH
259 spins * 3 number bet = 777 units bet total
117 units won
return = 894
edge = 894 / 777 = 1.15%
APRIL
245 spins * 3 numbers bet = 735 units bet total
201 units won
return = 936
edge = 936 / 735 = 1.27%
Till next month!
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 30, 06:15 AM 2020
April update.
Just did my last session for april. Instead of posting the whole excel of all my best. Here is the summery.
MARCH
259 spins * 3 number bet = 777 units bet total
117 units won
return = 894
edge = 894 / 777 = 1.15%
APRIL
245 spins * 3 numbers bet = 735 units bet total
201 units won
return = 936
edge = 936 / 735 = 1.27%
Till next month!
Great job. What techniques are you using for your precognition?
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 08:57 AM 2020
Great job. What techniques are you using for your precognition?
Very simple.
I just sit down. Open up the casino website. Go to the table. Do the finger downsing method on the current hot and cold number.
But i need to listen more to myself. If i feel off i need to come back later and not play at all that day. Had a couple of days i played anyways. Ofcourse lost. Sort of over focus. Wanting it to hard.
But i still see i am improving and there is a lot more room for more improvement.
Also no progression is used. All is flat bet. At the moment i dont need any day job any more but i like my work so i do it anyways. getting financial freedom is the main goal.
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 30, 09:40 AM 2020
Very simple.
I just sit down. Open up the casino website. Go to the table. Do the finger downsing method on the current hot and cold number.
But i need to listen more to myself. If i feel off i need to come back later and not play at all that day. Had a couple of days i played anyways. Ofcourse lost. Sort of over focus. Wanting it to hard.
But i still see i am improving and there is a lot more room for more improvement.
Also no progression is used. All is flat bet. At the moment i dont need any day job any more but i like my work so i do it anyways. getting financial freedom is the main goal.
Very interesting. I know what you mean about the off days. That has been one of my biggest issues.
I also find it hard to control and keep my chattering mind silent after a string of wins. I'm trying to do this now.
After I win I take a short break, and focus on the chattering mind to quieten it. I use a little mental trick such as making myself believe that I am way down and those win are just me getting back to break even. Then I resume the game with seriousness.
I agree with the flat bets it is the safest way.
Have you tried betting one number only?
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 30, 06:15 AM 2020
April update.
Just did my last session for april. Instead of posting the whole excel of all my best. Here is the summery.
MARCH
259 spins * 3 number bet = 777 units bet total
117 units won
return = 894
edge = 894 / 777 = 1.15%
APRIL
245 spins * 3 numbers bet = 735 units bet total
201 units won
return = 936
edge = 936 / 735 = 1.27%
Till next month!
Great job! Really like how you are tracking and keeping the results. Also, very happy that you are doing a flat bet - as this way you can really see how accurate your predictions are.
Quote from: precogmiles on Apr 30, 10:41 AM 2020
Very interesting. I know what you mean about the off days. That has been one of my biggest issues.
I also find it hard to control and keep my chattering mind silent after a string of wins. I'm trying to do this now.
After I win I take a short break, and focus on the chattering mind to quieten it. I use a little mental trick such as making myself believe that I am way down and those win are just me getting back to break even. Then I resume the game with seriousness.
I agree with the flat bets it is the safest way.
Have you tried betting one number only?
No i did not try one number. I will stick to this plan at the moment. Still hitting a lot of neighbours...
A session is always 45 units. 5 guesses of 3 spins.
If i lose all im done and lost 45 units.
I stop on any profit. So i dont play all the spins.
If i dont play with this plan i will surely over play and loose focus and money.
I want to thank Gizmo for this. He showed me the 3/7 method. Just stick to the plan and leave out all emotion. Its business.
Since im doing it this way i made way more profit.
And its just 15min of work max. Great job ;)
Quote from: winforus on Apr 30, 10:51 AM 2020
Great job! Really like how you are tracking and keeping the results. Also, very happy that you are doing a flat bet - as this way you can really see how accurate your predictions are.
Thats one of the reason i keep winning. Stick to the plan.
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 30, 01:12 PM 2020No i did not try one number. I will stick to this plan at the moment. Still hitting a lot of neighbours...
A session is always 45 units. 5 guesses of 3 spins.
If i lose all im done and lost 45 units.
I stop on any profit. So i dont play all the spins.
If i dont play with this plan i will surely over play and loose focus and money.
I want to thank Gizmo for this. He showed me the 3/7 method. Just stick to the plan and leave out all emotion. Its business.
Since im doing it this way i made way more profit.
And its just 15min of work max. Great job
Brilliant keep up the experiments. It's good to see the progress too.
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 30, 01:12 PM 2020Still hitting a lot of neighbours...
Are you playing rng?
I still think that there are no such things as neighbors on rng. It's totally different on a physical wheel, where neighbors and sectors are a close group, whereas on rng numbers just appear out of nowhere and any number is equally distant from all other numbers.
I'm not saying it's not possible to hit more rng neighbors using precog, but I find it interesting.
Quote from: ati on May 02, 04:39 AM 2020
Are you playing rng?
I still think that there are no such things as neighbors on rng. It's totally different on a physical wheel, where neighbors and sectors are a close group, whereas on rng numbers just appear out of nowhere and any number is equally distant from all other numbers.
I'm not saying it's not possible to hit more rng neighbors using precog, but I find it interesting.
No i play live wheel.
But my mind is totally wheel based programmed thanks to Kimo Li. I directly associate any number with there neighbour number. Maybe if you are thinking the other way around it is smart to look at the layout in stead of wheel. Maybe you keep hitting the correct street or line.
Its all about finding out what work best for you and keep grinding.
I also think Gizmo is doing something simelar without even knowing it. He just uses other tools but he gets the same results. All because of practice.
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 30, 09:40 AM 2020Do the finger downsing method on the current hot and cold number.
Could you explain how you do this in more detail please? Thanks!
Quote from: RayManZ on May 02, 06:07 AM 2020I also think Gizmo is doing something simelar without even knowing it. He just uses other tools but he gets the same results. All because of practice.
Sure I use it. I have my own sixth sense too and have been using it for more then 25 years. But I discovered something about it. It goes through phases of working real good and it also has phases of nothing and very badly, like the opposite of what you want. It took a long time for me to realize that it's no different than guessing based on trends and patterns. It's just another bet selection method. And if you march right into a killer sequence of it you get bad results. Enjoy it.
remote viewing = dowsing = channelling = obe = scrying
All of these are fundamentally the same thing. It's about energy/vibration
The important thing is to be in tune with your energy. And the only way to do that is by practice.
Quote from: RayManZ on Apr 30, 06:15 AM 2020
April update.
Just did my last session for april. Instead of posting the whole excel of all my best. Here is the summery.
MARCH
259 spins * 3 number bet = 777 units bet total
117 units won
return = 894
edge = 894 / 777 = 1.15%
APRIL
245 spins * 3 numbers bet = 735 units bet total
201 units won
return = 936
edge = 936 / 735 = 1.27%
Till next month!
May update!
MARCH
259 spins * 3 number bet = 777 units bet total
117 units won
return = 894
edge = 894 / 777 = 1.15%
APRIL
245 spins * 3 numbers bet = 735 units bet total
201 units won
return = 936
edge = 936 / 735 = 1.27%
MAY
550 spins * 3 numbers bet = 1650
174 units won
return = 1824
edge = 1824 / 1650 = 1.11%
Still going strong.
Congratz! :thumbsup:
It is not regular because mpr always freezing and is not possible to test anything, sorry for inconvenience, dont bother yourself.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Jun 01, 06:36 AM 2020
It is not regular because mpr always freezing and is not possible to test anything, sorry for inconvenience, dont bother yourself.
I dont play on MPR but with real money in a casino.
Congrats and keep updating us!
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 01, 05:06 AM 2020
May update!
MARCH
259 spins * 3 number bet = 777 units bet total
117 units won
return = 894
edge = 894 / 777 = 1.15%
APRIL
245 spins * 3 numbers bet = 735 units bet total
201 units won
return = 936
edge = 936 / 735 = 1.27%
MAY
550 spins * 3 numbers bet = 1650
174 units won
return = 1824
edge = 1824 / 1650 = 1.11%
Still going strong.
Great results. Keep going and good luck.
Hey precog, I recently purchased a device that claims to enhance precog accuracy. I expect it will work. It's basically the same design I had in mind for technology I wanted to develop. I had developed something similar but this is far more refined.
I'll probably get it next week, but wont have time to properly test until maybe the week after. I'll let you know how it goes.
I'm pretty confident that with the "majority vote" android apps I've already developed, and this technology, and a bit of user training, that this will be the HG. I mean the real HG.
Already there's enough evidence to support effectiveness of precog with just the majority vote method. Some individuals can beat the house edge by themselves alone - we can all do it with practice.
This latest technology should dramatically improve the learning curve and accuracy for ordinary people.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 02:09 AM 2020
Hey precog, I recently purchased a device that claims to enhance precog accuracy. I expect it will work. It's basically the same design I had in mind for technology I wanted to develop. I had developed something similar but this is far more refined.
I'll probably get it next week, but wont have time to properly test until maybe the week after. I'll let you know how it goes.
I'm pretty confident that with the "majority vote" android apps I've already developed, and this technology, and a bit of user training, that this will be the HG. I mean the real HG.
Already there's enough evidence to support effectiveness of precog with just the majority vote method. Some individuals can beat the house edge by themselves alone - we can all do it with practice.
This latest technology should dramatically improve the learning curve and accuracy for ordinary people.
Do you have a link to the device? Here or by PM
link:s://:.intuition-ip.com/
It is funny how I contemplated yesterday to buy a galvanic skin response technology for the same purpose then you shared this link.
Everything is connected.
link:s://innertrac.com
This was the device I was looking into. These devices do work. I have had good experience with them, although I have never tried to use it for precog.
Interesting. And ive been saying it for years. Precog is probably the new AP.
I've seen enough to know its more than likely real.
Anyone who says its against physics, doesnt understand physics.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jun 11, 06:32 AM 2020
It is funny how I contemplated yesterday to buy a galvanic skin response technology for the same purpose then you shared this link.
Everything is connected.
link:s://innertrac.com
This was the device I was looking into. These devices do work. I have had good experience with them, although I have never tried to use it for precog.
And how can this device help the average „roulette player“ to win ?
As far as I know it just identifies stress intervals by measuring some electrical waves within your body, although I still don’t get it, how can you turn this device into more useful instrument in predicting roulette
Because your body has a measurable subconscious reaction when thinking of a question. Some part of you knows the correct answer. But we are far from perfectly connected. We are like dumbed down apes in these bodies. And most of us don't have anywhere near a strong connection to reality.
I'll make a video about that too. I've been studying it for decades. The videos are easier to understand than text so ill keep making them.
There is a short learning curve to using the device.
You basically have to be relaxed and ask the right questions regarding your roulette method and you will get instant subconscious feedback. It is far more accurate then blindly guessing.
If you are advanced and have plenty of experience you can get a feeling in your mind and body that can be verified with the signals of the device.
However the meter is far better at catching more subtle or supressed emotional things.
The device I linked looks old school, but the guy building this has 30+ years of experience with the building and application of GSR technology. It has advanced electronics and simply to use led based userface.
That other cheaper one looks like a cleverly marketed toy to me.
Sorry but it looks like a black box
This device can only identify stress intervals where your body is affected by negative emotions, these intervals are not ideal for any sort of guessing or mind related tasks.
Thats because it is a black box.
But I know better than to judge before testing.
I've discussed it with the designers, and they appear to know what they're talking about. So ill wait and see. I'm finding out for myself, as everyone should about everything.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 03:29 AM 2020
link:s://:.intuition-ip.com/
This is just what players here need a very safe device.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 02:09 AM 2020
Hey precog, I recently purchased a device that claims to enhance precog accuracy. I expect it will work. It's basically the same design I had in mind for technology I wanted to develop. I had developed something similar but this is far more refined.
I'll probably get it next week, but wont have time to properly test until maybe the week after. I'll let you know how it goes.
I'm pretty confident that with the "majority vote" android apps I've already developed, and this technology, and a bit of user training, that this will be the HG. I mean the real HG.
Already there's enough evidence to support effectiveness of precog with just the majority vote method. Some individuals can beat the house edge by themselves alone - we can all do it with practice.
This latest technology should dramatically improve the learning curve and accuracy for ordinary people.
Great idea, it would be good to see the results you get using that tool. I like that they have different test like the card test.
I've previously been using a heart pulse monitor. While it does not give me an instant response I learnt what types of heart patterns improve my results.
I would be interested in the majority vote idea. I think your app was a good idea but coordination seemed to be the biggest stumbling block.
What if we create a thread on this forum but we apply the majority vote to a weekly lottery.
Maybe a pick 3 lottery or any lottery as long as our numbers overlap more. At the end of the week we can take the average.
Maybe this can be an alternative way to test majority vote.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 02:09 AM 2020Already there's enough evidence to support effectiveness of precog with just the majority vote method.
Steve, what's the majority vote method?
I looked at your link for the device and followed up some of the science references. A couple of them I recognized as discredited but the others were interesting.
link:s://:.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160918214445.htm
See attached PDF for an experiment with roulette.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 07:29 AM 2020
Thats because it is a black box.
But I know better than to judge before testing.
I've discussed it with the designers, and they appear to know what they're talking about. So ill wait and see. I'm finding out for myself, as everyone should about everything.
Well, valid points.
It is certainly worth the effort to test it and make an opinion. It is inexpensive and could be sufficient.
Electronic technology got more advanced and compact in the recent years.
I have seen other devices that used a smart phone or PC to display a virtual needle and information instead of an analog resistance needle.
Having said that my main concern with this black box device is that it is uses finger electrodes.
The use of proper sized palm electrodes and even the conductivity and sweat of your palms does affect the accuracy and sensitivity of readings in my experience.
It would be interesting to know if the creator of that device has any scientology / freezone background.
Well, why don’t you just buy this program ?
link:://:.magicintuition.com/magic-roulette-intuition.html
You force yourself to believe all the bullshits you described, according to you, Gut can beat data ... well this is just a belief and there is no evidence it’s true !
It’s up to you to pick a side, are you a data or a gut driven person ?
Quote from: Joe on Jun 11, 08:02 AM 2020
Steve, what's the majority vote method?
I looked at your link for the device and followed up some of the science references. A couple of them I recognized as discredited but the others were interesting.
link:s://:.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160918214445.htm
See attached PDF for an experiment with roulette.
His is where Steve talks about his views if precog along with majority vote.
link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/can-precognition-predict-casino-gambling-games/
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 11, 09:20 AM 2020
...well this is just a belief and there is no evidence it’s true !
The evidence is all there. Do you have any idea how to do your own research?
Most skeptics are brainwashed into the cult of materialism. Are you one of them?
Materialism is a faith based ideology it is not based on reality.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 09:33 AM 2020
The evidence is all there. Do you have any idea how to do your own research?
Most skeptics are brainwashed into the cult of materialism. Are you one of them?
Materialism is a faith based ideology it is not based on reality.
I haven’t yet heard of anyone who managed to beat roulette using his own gut !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 11, 09:47 AM 2020
I haven’t yet heard of anyone who managed to beat roulette using his own gut !
What would you consider as proof or evidence?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 09:52 AM 2020
What would you consider as proof or evidence?
A success story about someone who managed to beat the game using his gut
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 11, 09:54 AM 2020
A success story about someone who managed to beat the game using his gut
Well that is easy, I have done it. Do you believe it now?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 11, 09:54 AM 2020
A success story about someone who managed to beat the game using his gut
I have shared my results here...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 11, 09:20 AM 2020
Well, why don’t you just buy this program ?
link:://:.magicintuition.com/magic-roulette-intuition.html
You force yourself to believe all the bullshits you described, according to you, Gut can beat data ... well this is just a belief and there is no evidence it’s true !
It’s up to you to pick a side, are you a data or a gut driven person ?
$100 for that software is a bit outrageous in my opinion. Years ago I found it somewhere for free. It really is just a simple roulette simulator that gives an "unpleasant sound" when you lose. If I remember correctly it gives a buzzer sound effect.
So they claim that with practice your subconscious mind will try to avoid hearing that sound by giving you more accurate guesses.
Steve, depending on your review of this device I may buy it as well.
I have a GSR expert friend who can make a fair comparison with this technology and the old and tested one.
I should buy a session with him to test the application in the field of precog.
I used to own a GSR meter, but it was an old analog one and it required extensive training.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 09:29 AM 2020His is where Steve talks about his views if precog along with majority vote.
link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/can-precognition-predict-casino-gambling-games/
Thanks. So it seems to be a 'wisdom of the crowds' type thing.
@ Roulettebeater, there isn't any scientific evidence that precognition works, but so what? Do your own research and testing, it's really the only way. I was highly sceptical at first, but not so much now.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 02:09 AM 2020
Hey precog, I recently purchased a device that claims to enhance precog accuracy. I expect it will work. It's basically the same design I had in mind for technology I wanted to develop. I had developed something similar but this is far more refined.
I'll probably get it next week, but wont have time to properly test until maybe the week after. I'll let you know how it goes.
I'm pretty confident that with the "majority vote" android apps I've already developed, and this technology, and a bit of user training, that this will be the HG. I mean the real HG.
Already there's enough evidence to support effectiveness of precog with just the majority vote method. Some individuals can beat the house edge by themselves alone - we can all do it with practice.
This latest technology should dramatically improve the learning curve and accuracy for ordinary people.
Wow Steve, thank you for sharing this. I will be interested in your review of this device. If you will like it - I will be buying it as well.
I myself have been practicing precognition everyday lately and my results have significantly improved. I will be sharing my results in sometime.
Also, if you will be conducting any majority vote tests - count me in. I agree with precogmiles, that it may be a good idea to create a group here - we can test on things like with lottery, etc, if not Roulette.
Steve keep us up to date about your test with this device.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 02:09 AM 2020
Hey precog, I recently purchased a device that claims to enhance precog accuracy. I expect it will work. It's basically the same design I had in mind for technology I wanted to develop. I had developed something similar but this is far more refined.
I'll probably get it next week, but wont have time to properly test until maybe the week after. I'll let you know how it goes.
I'm pretty confident that with the "majority vote" android apps I've already developed, and this technology, and a bit of user training, that this will be the HG. I mean the real HG.
Already there's enough evidence to support effectiveness of precog with just the majority vote method. Some individuals can beat the house edge by themselves alone - we can all do it with practice.
This latest technology should dramatically improve the learning curve and accuracy for ordinary people.
Okey dokey.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 02:12 PM 2020
Okey dokey.
please PM me the link for that device
Quote from: winforus on Jun 11, 12:13 PM 2020
Wow Steve, thank you for sharing this. I will be interested in your review of this device. If you will like it - I will be buying it as well.
I myself have been practicing precognition everyday lately and my results have significantly improved. I will be sharing my results in sometime.
Also, if you will be conducting any majority vote tests - count me in. I agree with precogmiles, that it may be a good idea to create a group here - we can test on things like with lottery, etc, if not Roulette.
I saw your practice plays on roulette simulator. Very impressive so far. What precog method are you using?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 02:18 PM 2020
I saw your practice plays on roulette simulator. Very impressive so far. What precog method are you using?
All wacky system players better do there millions of spins to get in on the conversation. But if you just claim precog, you're in. What are you waiting for, Moxy?!
Precog is the only thing that requires any sort of meaningful effort. Like any skill it takes time and effort. There us no free lunch here.
System players are guessing and relying on luck. And repeater systems always work until they don't work.
And some even use a computer to guess for them. The IQ Levels are astounding.
Why are players so desperate to reinvent the wheel? We already know precognition has existed for 1000s of years just learn from already works.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 03:23 PM 2020
Precog is the only thing that requires any sort of meaningful effort. Like any skill it takes time and effort. There us no free lunch here.
System players are guessing and relying on luck. And repeater systems always work until they don't work.
And some even use a computer to guess for them. The IQ Levels are astounding.
Why are players so desperate to reinvent the wheel? We already know precognition has existed for 1000s of years just learn from already works.
You get immunity. I get immunity. We all get immunity!
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 02:18 PM 2020
I saw your practice plays on roulette simulator. Very impressive so far. What precog method are you using?
It is hilarious that you mention this. I actually started practicing a lot more after seeing a guy with impressive results under "precog2" on there. Later he ended up changing his name to "precogmiles" :D
The method that I am using now, is staring into blank space and then playing the finals.
Thank you for inspiration - seeing your impressive results on there gave me a huge kick and confidence, that I didn't have before.
I am curious though, why did you end up hiding your profile?
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 02:27 PM 2020
All wacky system players better do there millions of spins to get in on the conversation. But if you just claim precog, you're in. What are you waiting for, Moxy?!
The difference is that the systems are based on progression, bankroll management, etc - they are not based on increasing the accuracy of predictions. Thus, they have to be tested for million of spins - to insure that they are not winning due to variance being on their side. Also, it is extremely easy to test systems, with a computer program.
Precognition works differently - it is simply not possible nor is it practical to test it for millions of spins. Unless of course you develop an AI with precognition abilities.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 11, 03:34 PM 2020
It is hilarious that you mention this. I actually started practicing a lot more after seeing a guy with impressive results under "precog2" on there. Later he ended up changing his name to "precogmiles" :D
The method that I am using now, is staring into blank space and then playing the finals.
Thank you for inspiration - seeing your impressive results on there gave me a huge kick and confidence, that I didn't have before.
I am curious though, why did you end up hiding your profile?
Haha glad it inspired you, I just needed a bit of confidence boost myself that is why i even bothered to play that many games.
I achieved my aim of reaching top 3 just playing flat bets with 0 resets. I had only 1 attempt and I did it. I don't have anyone else I can gain confidence from, that is why it was great to see your results and read RayManZ results.
I was playing 4 numbers like you are now, which I am comfortable with. I know that the longer I play my win rate will stay around 1.5 playing 4 numbers. I reset my account to experiment with just playing 1 number.
I hid my account because I don't want give a false impression about the effectiveness of precog to people as I conduct experiments. The other reason is that looking at a highscore list can effect your play, there is always the temptation to win big just to climb the leaderboard.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 11, 03:34 PM 2020The method that I am using now, is staring into blank space and then playing the finals.
That is interesting, do you see the numbers?
Quote from: winforus on Jun 11, 03:38 PM 2020
The difference is that the systems are based on progression, bankroll management, etc - they are not based on increasing the accuracy of predictions. Thus, they have to be tested for million of spins - to insure that they are not winning due to variance being on their side. Also, it is extremely easy to test systems, with a computer program.
Precognition works differently - it is simply not possible nor is it practical to test it for millions of spins. Unless of course you develop an AI with precognition abilities.
Do you guys read what you type?
The dissonance is real. I can tell my buddy to register here and claim psychic ability and he could get automatic brotherhood in the precog community just because it's impractical to test millions of spins like any other claim.
Cuckoo. Cuckoo.
I believe, therefore I am. So says Ignatus, Gizmo, Turbo, Kimo, etc.
If only they would just claim precog ability...
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 04:16 PM 2020
Do you guys read what you type?
The dissonance is real. I can tell my buddy to register here and claim psychic ability and he could get automatic brotherhood in the precog community just because it's impractical to test millions of spins like any other claim.
Cuckoo. Cuckoo.
I believe, therefore I am. So says Ignatus, Gizmo, Turbo, Kimo, etc. If only they would just claim precog ability...
Wow you are so clever.
Moxy has made me finally understand why precognition does not work.
I will now wait for Moxy to show me the light.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 04:32 PM 2020
Wow you are so clever.
Moxy has made me finally understand why precognition does not work.
I will now wait for Moxy to show me the light.
I wish I had immunity.
Wait, maybe I do have precog. Is it too late. I take back everything I said. I want to be special too.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 04:38 PM 2020
I wish I had immunity. Wait, maybe I do have precog. Is it too late. I take back everything I said. I want to be special too.
Haha oh stop! the humour is too much.
I await your words of wisdom oh great one. Show us all the light.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 04:48 PM 2020
Haha oh stop! the humour is too much.
I await your words of wisdom oh great one. Show us all the light.
Nah. I'm just bored.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 04:53 PM 2020
Nah. I'm just bored.
Maybe go back to trolling gizmo if we are boring you.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 03:55 PM 2020
That is interesting, do you see the numbers?
Yes I see them visually, but sometimes I see more than 1. Like I can see 3, then 2, etc - sometimes I get them mixed up, like 1s and 7s, etc.
I was reading Nowun's thread over again and I saw that he had a similar thing - initially he was mixing up numbers and seeing many, until he started to only see 1 or 2 numbers. I am curious if I will be able to reach that stage.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 05:04 PM 2020
Maybe go back to trolling gizmo if we are boring you.
Gizmo's cool.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 03:54 PM 2020
I hid my account because I don't want give a false impression about the effectiveness of precog to people as I conduct experiments. The other reason is that looking at a highscore list can effect your play, there is always the temptation to win big just to climb the leaderboard.
It depends on how you climb the ladder board. If you can climb to the top, by using flat bets only, and same bets (for example 250 per unit, the entire time), you can also show the amount of units that you won. Climbing to the top by betting 1k and 250, is a very huge difference and it may open up the minds of people here who are still very highly skeptical of precognition
Quote from: winforus on Jun 11, 05:06 PM 2020
Yes I see them visually, but sometimes I see more than 1. Like I can see 3, then 2, etc - sometimes I get them mixed up, like 1s and 7s, etc.
I was reading Nowun's thread over again and I saw that he had a similar thing - initially he was mixing up numbers and seeing many, until he started to only see 1 or 2 numbers. I am curious if I will be able to reach that stage.
That's good progress. Seeing numbers is tricky, I still I struggle with it.0
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 05:24 PM 2020
That's good progress. Seeing numbers is tricky, I still I struggle with it.0
What method do you use now, when betting on 1 number? (for finding that 1 number)
And what about, when you place 6 bets covering 6 numbers? Just saw one of your sessions, and got me very curious.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 11, 05:23 PM 2020
It depends on how you climb the ladder board. If you can climb to the top, by using flat bets only, and same bets (for example 250 per unit, the entire time), you can also show the amount of units that you won. Climbing to the top by betting 1k and 250, is a very huge difference and it may open up the minds of people here who are still very highly skeptical of precognition
I see your point, I've unhid my profile again, as you can see from my games these are experiments while I learn how to increase the accuracy of my predictions. These are my personal experiments, it's fine with me if it helps anyone but I sometimes find the leader board a distraction.
Currently with these tests I initially bet on 1 to 3 numbers and slowly work my way to just 1 number. Bases off of the energy.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 02:09 AM 2020Some individuals can beat the house edge by themselves alone...
You don't say? Wonder whom and if that would of service at all.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 11, 05:36 PM 2020
What method do you use now, when betting on 1 number? (for finding that 1 number)
And what about, when you place 6 bets covering 6 numbers? Just saw one of your sessions, and got me very curious.
I am still using mental dowsing. I feel the energy of the numbers vibrate to me on the board.
Which game are you referring to?
Do you mean the 33 hit? These are just all the bets surrounding 33, corner bets and splits. I don't care if it hits the numbers around 33 all I wanted was the hit on 33.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 05:42 PM 2020
I am still using mental dowsing. I feel the energy of the numbers vibrate to me on the board.
Which game are you referring to?
Do you mean the 33 hit? These are just all the bets surrounding 33, corner bets and splits. I don't care if it hits the numbers around 33 all I wanted was the hit on 33.
Yes I meant the 33. I guess it makes, considering you are using the dowsing method and feeling the energy of the numbers vibrating on the board.
Thanks for unhiding your profile - I will continue to watch your games and use them for further inspiration. When I see you have these impressive results, it motivates me to keep going.
I do not get distracted by the leader board - as I only bet the same number per unit (250), and sticking with the same method until I get to #1
Quote from: winforus on Jun 11, 05:50 PM 2020
Yes I meant the 33. I guess it makes, considering you are using the dowsing method and feeling the energy of the numbers vibrating on the board.
Thanks for unhiding your profile - I will continue to watch your games and use them for further inspiration. When I see you have these impressive results, it motivates me to keep going.
I do not get distracted by the leader board - as I only bet the same number per unit (250), and sticking with the same method until I get to #1
So I just reset my account again. This is what I mean about personal experiments, the losses are all part of my learning process so no one should take these games as some form of proof for or against precognition.
This is why I keep my games hidden otherwise those that don't understand what I am doing will mistake my learning as evidence against precog.
What is the point doing all the experiments?
To me it seems like a major distraction or some sort of mental escape. I am guilty of that myself.
You already know what works and why and how.
All you need is to implement a strategic play routine and be consistent with the implemention and forget about even thinking roulette. The more consistent you become doing the same routine the better your results would be.
I know it sounds paradoxical, but deep down you know it is true. The play method does not matter past a certain point, only the player placing the bets.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jun 11, 07:24 PM 2020
What is the point doing all the experiments?
To me it seems like a major distraction or some sort of mental escape. I am guilty of that myself.
You already know what works and why and how.
All you need is to implement a strategic play routine and be consistent with the implemention and forget about even thinking roulette. The more consistent you become doing the same routine the better your results would be.
I know it sounds paradoxical, but deep down you know it is true. The play method does not matter past a certain point, only the player placing the bets.
ding ding ding ding ding. Come on up. The price is right.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jun 11, 07:24 PM 2020
What is the point doing all the experiments?
To me it seems like a major distraction or some sort of mental escape. I am guilty of that myself.
You already know what works and why and how.
All you need is to implement a strategic play routine and be consistent with the implemention and forget about even thinking roulette. The more consistent you become doing the same routine the better your results would be.
I know it sounds paradoxical, but deep down you know it is true. The play method does not matter past a certain point, only the player placing the bets.
It is just my method of practice. I test out different ideas.
I know I can win comfortably with around 4 numbers per bet. In fact that is what I do when I play real sessions. I agree that a method is important and I have daily targets i reach.
My ultimate aim us to improve to a level where I can win after playing 1 number in 1 spin.
I want my accuracy to be as close to perfect as I can get it.
This is why I continue to experiment and practice.
For me it us not a question of precog being real or not. It is an undeniable fact for me. It is a genuine skill. My only aim is to improve it as much as possible. So betting just 1 number is the aim.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 11, 08:27 PM 2020
It is just my method of practice. I test out different ideas.
I know I can win comfortably with around 4 numbers per bet. In fact that is what I do when I play real sessions. I agree that a method is important and I have daily targets i reach.
My ultimate aim us to improve to a level where I can win after playing 1 number in 1 spin.
I want my accuracy to be as close to perfect as I can get it.
This is why I continue to experiment and practice.
For me it us not a question of precog being real or not. It is an undeniable fact for me. It is a genuine skill. My only aim is to improve it as much as possible. So betting just 1 number is the aim.
You are trudging along X-Men territory. Or the Force. Or the Oracle.
You will be among mere mortals in short order. Yet, zero man hours.
This forum is a bizarre bunch. Or is it?...
Dunh dunh dunh.
Moxy, what has a better chance of success:
A. Strategies that are thoroughly tested, proven to fail, and go against all logic and basic math.
B. Strategies that are less- tested, but have shown some positive results, have no known information to disprove the physics, and actually do have a scientific foundation.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
Moxy, dont troll. I'm not sure I've ever seen you tout anything but nonsense, or "just talk".
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 09:13 PM 2020
Moxy, what has a better chance of success:
A. Strategies that are thoroughly tested, proven to fail, and go against all logic and basic math.
B. Strategies that are less- tested, but have shown some positive results, have no known information to disprove the physics, and actually do have a scientific foundation.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
Moxy, dont troll. I'm not sure I've ever seen you tout anything but nonsense, or "just talk".
Let me preface. I believe in precog.
Ok. As I've said. Two factions. One claims precog ability. The other, an hg.
Regardless of result, the former gets carte blanche to post with zero critique. The latter is ridiculed i.e. Turbo, Ignatus.
It's not the claim of Precog. It's that my unremarkable buddy, hypothetically, can register on here and claim precog ability and he's on the VIP list.
Here's the kicker. Claim you have precog and you bypass the millions of rounds of testing as long as you are fortuitously accurate enough in short form. Hmm. Why don't folks just claim precog and try to pass your extremely truncated vetting process by sheer luck over a few hundred rounds?
Why on earth would you hypothetically believe my unremarkable buddy? Wishful thinking? Circumventing something?
Cuckoo.
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Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 09:38 PM 2020the former gets carte blanche to post with zero critique
Horseshit. You can criticize, but not troll.
Criticizing (constructive criticism) is when you present counter-arguments that people can verify.
Trolling is when you just hang around and criticize, without offering anything constructive.
Turbo is full of shit. Smarter people don't "troll" him. We give him ample opportunity to explain what he means, and substantiate his claims. And SO FAR ALL HE PROVIDED IS A MESS OF CRAP LIKE FUN MONEY WINS ON PLACES LIKE PARX (MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN RIGGED), AND A MESS OF BAD AND INCORRECT THEORIES (THAT ARE PROVEN FALSE).
There's a big difference.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 09:38 PM 2020It's that my unremarkable buddy, hypothetically, can register on here and claim precog ability and he's on the VIP list.
No. I've said many times although I believe precog is reality, his wins are simply too short term to mean anything, because there's no additional data to back up the results.
Moxy, your understanding of reality here is very poor.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 10:03 PM 2020
Horseshit. You can criticize, but not troll.
Criticizing (constructive criticism) is when you present counter-arguments that people can verify.
Trolling is when you just hang around and criticize, without offering anything constructive.
Turbo is full of shit. Smarter people don't "troll" him. We give him ample opportunity to explain what he means, and substantiate his claims. And SO FAR ALL HE PROVIDED IS A MESS OF CRAP LIKE FUN MONEY WINS ON PLACES LIKE PARX (MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN RIGGED), AND A MESS OF BAD AND INCORRECT THEORIES (THAT ARE PROVEN FALSE).
There's a big difference.
No. I've said many times although I believe precog is reality, his wins are simply too short term to mean anything, because there's no additional data to back up the results.
Moxy, your understanding of reality here is very poor.
So you hold prodigal son Precog to the same standard of millions of rounds of testing?
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 10:07 PM 2020prodigal son
Now you're just being an idiot.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 10:07 PM 2020the same standard of millions of rounds of testing
Yes. I've addressed this point many times before.
Basically the statistical confidence must be the same, for the same reasons. But all testing for precog must be manual, so any volume testing is nearly impossible. UNLIKE bullshit like repeaters, which can be tested extensively with software.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 10:23 PM 2020
Now you're just being an idiot.
Yes. I've addressed this point many times before.
Basically the statistical confidence must be the same, for the same reasons. But all testing for precog must be manual, so any volume testing is nearly impossible. UNLIKE bullshit like repeaters, which can be tested extensively with software.
Apologize for the "prodigal son" remark. Was just being silly.
Ok, then. So how would an hg ever come about from this level of impractical, time consuming, collective-heads, testing? Wait. You have a secret weapon. Forgot.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 10:38 PM 2020So how would an hg ever come about from this level of impractical, time consuming, collective-heads, testing?
1. Test as much as you can.
2. If tests are good, apply it for real.
3. If you keep winning, keep doing it.
OR if you lose, think of what you could be doing wrong, change it, and repeat the process.
Most system players repeat a similar cycle, but mistakes they make include:
* They don't test enough spins, when there's no excuse considering we have programs like RX.
* When they think they change something, they just change the packaging, and not the shit inside.
* What they're testing has already been tested, extensively.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 10:54 PM 2020
1. Test as much as you can.
2. If tests are good, apply it for real.
3. If you keep winning, keep doing it.
OR if you lose, think of what you could be doing wrong, change it, and repeat the process.
Most system players repeat a similar cycle, but mistakes they make include:
* They don't test enough spins, when there's no excuse considering we have programs like RX.
* When they think they change something, they just change the packaging, and not the shit inside.
* What they're testing has already been tested, extensively.
You obfuscated on my particular question but that's fine. Another time.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 11:08 PM 2020You obfuscated on my particular question but that's fine. Another time.
What, you mean this part?
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 10:38 PM 2020Wait. You have a secret weapon. Forgot.
I didnt bother with it, because that was just you being a dick again. But ok, I'll answer it:
It's called a BRAIN. And it's only a secret to people without one.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 11:30 PM 2020
What, you mean this part?
I didnt bother with it, because that was just you being a dick again. But ok, I'll answer it:
It's called a BRAIN. And it's only a secret to people without one.
I may be a d*** but I'm not chopped liver.
I'm not sure you know the difference
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 08:51 PM 2020
You are trudging along X-Men territory. Or the Force. Or the Oracle.
You will be among mere mortals in short order. Yet, zero man hours.
This forum is a bizarre bunch. Or is it?... Dunh dunh dunh.
Whatever it is, get over it.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 10:54 PM 2020Most system players repeat a similar cycle, but mistakes they make include:
* They don't test enough spins, when there's no excuse considering we have programs like RX.
Steve, for one thing, coding systems isn't easy, which is why so few people do it. And RX makes things harder because it's really only a toy language. You'd be better off using a decent language like Python.
Second, you don't need millions of spins to be able to say a result is statistically significant. When scientists do medical trials do you think they have millions of participants? usually it's only a few hundred. For most statistical tests you only need a sample size of at least 30. Of course more is better but the point is to calculate whether the result could have occurred by chance. If that probability is small enough then the result is likely to be significant. It's not quite as simple as that because there are other issues such as statistical 'power', but you certainly don't need millions or hundreds of thousands of bets. However, for systems you should ignore progressions because they artificially inflate the variance.
e.g. I could test a system over 500 bets and if the (flat bet) result was good enough, the result would be statistically significant because that result would be highly unlikely to occur -
over 500 bets - by chance. So it shouldn't be just dismissed as 'not enough spins'.
Yes rx is too difficult for average people. And i agree about python, its readable code.
But i dont agree about the statistical relevance. I'll explain that in the next video.
If we are talking about a real consistent winning system, then it needs zero spins to "test".
What's the difference between a 10K spins test and 1M spins test?
The only difference is that in 1M spins there are more possible permutations. But if our goal is to test every possible combination, then even 1M spins is far from enough.
Let's say we want to test 37 spin cycles, there are 13763753091226345046315979581580902400000000 possible different sequences.
Anyway, there must be a reason why a winning system is a winning system. Can you think of a sequence of 20 numbers that would make your system lose?
If you can, then that's it. You don't even need to simulate. Steve said it many times that every possible sequence has equal chance of happening. So it will happen sooner or later.
[reveal]It has been clearly explained by a few members that each spin is independent, the past has no affect on future outcomes, each individual bets have negative expected value, so it is impossible to win long term, using the "standard" approach.
But it was also proven that not every event has equal chance of happening, and we can find and create many dependencies in a stream of random numbers. So we can easily overcome the problem of dependent and equally likely outcomes. But sadly that's not enough, the most difficult part is to create a betting plan that can take advantage of this and is guaranteed to win within a fixed number of spins.[/reveal]
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 11, 09:38 PM 2020Regardless of result, the former gets carte blanche to post with zero critique. The latter is ridiculed i.e. Turbo, Ignatus.
Forget about critique there has been nothing but full blown mockery and ridicule towards precogers on this and other roulette forum.
Turbo and igantus get level headed serious arguments against them. Precogers get insults and mockery.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 12, 07:39 AM 2020But i dont agree about the statistical relevance. I'll explain that in the next video.
Well, Moxy makes a good point. If you say that millions of spins are needed to test a system then to be consistent you must also insist that millions of spins are needed to test precognition. To give precog a free pass is double standards.
I'm not saying you're actually doing that, because you admit that it isn't proven that precog works, just that you believe in it (even though there's no evidence). But in that case, why attack system players who 'believe' that systems can work (even though there's no evidence)?
Quote from: ati on Jun 12, 09:04 AM 2020Anyway, there must be a reason why a winning system is a winning system. Can you think of a sequence of 20 numbers that would make your system lose?
If you can, then that's it. You don't even need to simulate.
This is vague. What does 'lose' mean in this context? Even if the system was actually a winning one there would be some sequences which would make it lose, but as long as the net wins outnumber the losses the system will still be a winning one.
The bigger the edge, the less testing the method would require. (Less variance) The smaller the edge, the more testing it would require (higher variance).
For majority of systems to win in the short term, they need to use progression. Systems bets are no more accurate than random bets - thus systems require a much higher volume of spins for testing.
Roulette computers have such a high edge, that even 100 spins may be enough.
For those that have experienced and been practicing precognition, they know it’s a fact that the edge increases with practice and the edge goes down with fatigue or in very long sessions.
For experienced players who already use precognition to win - the edge is very high and thus Steve thinks it’s the next HG. Because of this, testing requirements would be different for precognition than for systems.
And it’s not a double standard - think of them as a child(system) and an adult (Precog).
Quote from: winforus on Jun 12, 11:42 AM 2020
The bigger the edge, the less testing the method would require. (Less variance) The smaller the edge, the more testing it would require (higher variance).
For majority of systems to win in the short term, they need to use progression. Systems bets are no more accurate than random bets - thus systems require a much higher volume of spins for testing.
Roulette computers have such a high edge, that even 100 spins may be enough.
For those that have experienced and been practicing precognition, they know it’s a fact that the edge increases with practice and the edge goes down with fatigue or in very long sessions.
For experienced players who already use precognition to win - the edge is very high and thus Steve thinks it’s the next HG. Because of this, testing requirements would be different for precognition than for systems.
And it’s not a double standard - think of them as a child(system) and an adult (Precog).
Them are fighting words, my friend.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 12, 09:06 AM 2020
Forget about critique there has been nothing but full blown mockery and ridicule towards precogers on this and other roulette forum.
Turbo and igantus get level headed serious arguments against them. Precogers get insults and mockery.
Am I insane? Revisionist history on your part? Stay tuned.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 12, 01:08 PM 2020
Am I insane? Revisionist history on your part? Stay tuned.
Go and read the early threads about precognition.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 12, 12:50 PM 2020
Them are fighting words, my friend.
Them are trolling words, my friend.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 12, 11:42 AM 2020For experienced players who already use precognition to win - the edge is very high and thus Steve thinks it’s the next HG. Because of this, testing requirements would be different for precognition than for systems.
And it’s not a double standard - think of them as a child(system) and an adult (Precog).
This is a circular argument. You're assuming - because you're biased - that the edge will be high, but you can't know this until after testing. It may well be high but you can't assume it and on that basis say that a much shorter term test is needed than for systems. And why should systems be considered children and precog adults? Again this is just your bias. From the point of view of mainstream science, both roulette systems and precognition are equally implausible and there is no evidence for either (only anecdotal).
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 02:57 AM 2020
This is a circular argument. You're assuming - because you're biased - that the edge will be high, but you can't know this until after testing. It may well be high but you can't assume it and on that basis say that a much shorter term test is needed than for systems. And why should systems be considered children and precog adults? Again this is just your bias. From the point of view of mainstream science, both roulette systems and precognition are equally implausible and there is no evidence for either (only anecdotal).
Hence, my argument of having my buddy register on here, get lucky as shit on his picks and claim precog, therefore continuing to perpetuate the circular fallacy of not having to test more.
But, alas. It's lost on the community.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 02:57 AM 2020
This is a circular argument. You're assuming - because you're biased - that the edge will be high, but you can't know this until after testing. It may well be high but you can't assume it and on that basis say that a much shorter term test is needed than for systems. And why should systems be considered children and precog adults? Again this is just your bias. From the point of view of mainstream science, both roulette systems and precognition are equally implausible and there is no evidence for either (only anecdotal).
You are right, I am biased. I wouldn’t be saying it, if I didn’t practice and had experience with precognition.
It’s an inference that I made based on my own experience - that the accuracy (edge) increases over time.
The edge also decreases during a session - the longer it goes and fatigue kicks in. This is also why testing it for millions of spins at the moment is not practical nor possible - unless you develop an AI with those abilities.
Systems are a child - because anyone with a basic understanding of odds, statistics, etc can know right off the bat why systems lose and thus to validate one, would require millions of spins. And precogniton - is based on improving accuracy, thus to me it’s an adult. Same as for RC, VB, methods that are based on psychics, adults.
How many spins would be required for precogniton? I have no idea but imo certainly less than for systems.
And as I've said before, you may think your good results are due to precog, but in fact they may be due to intuition. Even Steve admits the possibility of a winning system, he just rejects the old recycled ideas like repeaters etc. So if you believe that, it's actually more plausible to think that results are due to subconsciously picking the most likely outcomes based on patterns, rather than precognition, which entails rewriting the laws of physics. The Cambridge study showed that intuition works for Traders, why not roulette players?
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Quote from: winforus on Jun 13, 03:31 AM 2020
You are right, I am biased. I wouldn’t be saying it, if I didn’t practice and had experience with precognition.
It’s an inference that I made based on my own experience - that the accuracy (edge) increases over time.
The edge also decreases during a session - the longer it goes and fatigue kicks in. This is also why testing it for millions of spins at the moment is not practical nor possible - unless you develop an AI with those abilities.
Systems are a child - because anyone with a basic understanding of odds, statistics, etc can know right off the bat why systems lose and thus to validate one, would require millions of spins. And precogniton - is based on improving accuracy, thus to me it’s an adult. Same as for RC, VB, methods that are based on psychics, adults.
How many spins would be required for precogniton? I have no idea but imo certainly less than for systems.
I believe I in x-ray vision. How long do you think I should practice it?
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 03:39 AM 2020
And as I've said before, you may think your good results are due to precog, but in fact they may be due to intuition. Even Steve admits the possibility of a winning system, he just rejects the old recycled ideas like repeaters etc. So if you believe that, it's actually more plausible to think that results are due to subconsciously picking the most likely outcomes based on patterns, rather than precognition, which entails rewriting the laws of physics. The Cambridge study showed that intuition works for Traders, why not roulette players?
It could be intuition, of course. I also think that they may be related or even overlapping.
To me, what you call it, is not as important - as long as it works consistently over the long run.
Regarding systems - you would agree that all that are not based on improving the accuracy of predictions, are losing systems? I was reffering to those systems, which are only the ones I had come across.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 13, 03:52 AM 2020Regarding systems - you would agree that all that are not based on improving the accuracy of predictions, are losing systems?
Yes. Any system which doesn't improve accuracy of predictions is a non-starter. Even those systems supposedly based purely on progressions and money-management need to at least reduce the variance enough so that the progressions can work.
Regarding how long is a long enough test, it depends on how many numbers you're betting, but as I've said in an earlier post, it doesn't have to be millions of spins, either for systems or anything else. Why should the length of the test depend on how the results were generated? Steve disagrees, and I'm looking forward to his explanation why.
You guys are completely missing the point.
Precog is a skill
Systems are formulas
Imagine if someone said they had a formula that will allow a team to win every single basketball game they played. Regardless of the level of skill the individual players had. This would be absurd.
And you can not have intuition about random events. You cam only have precognition of them.
LeBron James, Leon Messi or Tyson fury are better than your average Joe on the streets. You can not give me a magic formula (system) that is going to make me better than them over night.
All this talk of testing is bogus and comes from a very materialistic world view. Probability is a pseudo reality.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 05:05 AM 2020
You guys are completely missing the point.
Precog is a skill
Systems are formulas
So what? you can still do tests to find out how good a skill is or how accurate a formula is. Why should testing a skill be shorter than testing a formula?
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Imagine if someone said they had a formula that will allow a team to win every single basketball game they played. Regardless of the level of skill the individual players had. This would be absurd.
Yes, that would be amazing, but nobody is claiming that, because it's ridiculous. A formula can be approximately right and still be useful, and a skill level can be low.
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And you can not have intuition about random events. You cam only have precognition of them.
Maybe results aren't so random after all? And you have to be careful with the word 'random', because one interpretation of it is just 'something we don't understand well enough to predict - yet'. Things which we once thought were random we now realize aren't, so 'random' is really about what we know or don't know.
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All this talk of testing is bogus and comes from a very materialistic world view. Probability is a pseudo reality.
Some time ago you asked me about the test results from a precog web site and said that they were almost impossible to get by chance. So it seems like probability and testing is fine and not bogus at all, when it happens to suit you. ;) Double standards again.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 05:48 AM 2020So what? you can still do tests to find out how good a skill is or how accurate a formula is. Why should testing a skill be shorter than testing a formula?
If you can't understand the difference between someone claiming 1 +1=3 and somebody else claiming if they train hard enough that they can improve their ability to do arthmetics faster, then that is your problem.
One is impossible the other is a skill.
You just hope for the day someone proves 1+1=3 . No amount of testing, small or large is going to prove this.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 05:48 AM 2020Yes, that would be amazing, but nobody is claiming that, because it's ridiculous. A formula can be approximately right and still be useful, and a skill level can be low.
This is wrong. We have examples of this in all sports leagues. Those teams with the best skilled players win the league more times than teams with good tactics. Skill is the ultimate determinant
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 05:48 AM 2020Maybe results aren't so random after all? And you have to be careful with the word 'random', because one interpretation of it is just 'something we don't understand well enough to predict - yet'. Things which we once thought were random we now realize aren't, so 'random' is really about what we know or don't know.
Have you got an example for this?
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 05:48 AM 2020Some time ago you asked me about the test results from a precog web site and said that they were almost impossible to get by chance. So it seems like probability and testing is fine and not bogus at all, when it happens to suit you. Double standards again.
If I remember correctly it was you who originally posted that website because you didn't want to accept the results from MPR. I was just using your own website as evidence against your unfounded scepticism.
My issue with probability is When it is used to make models or claims based solely on inference. First comes reality then comes statistics. It is not the other way around.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 04:03 AM 2020
Regarding how long is a long enough test, it depends on how many numbers you're betting, but as I've said in an earlier post, it doesn't have to be millions of spins, either for systems or anything else. Why should the length of the test depend on how the results were generated? Steve disagrees, and I'm looking forward to his explanation why.
I don't know 100% for Steve's reasoning, but I agree with him.
The way I see it - is when we are talking about games of chance, that the length of test definitely depends on the methodology of how the results
were generated. Why? Because the bigger edge, the less variance, and the likelihood of you just being lucky, decreases.
For a very advanced roulette computer, that has a very high accuracy, it would be very evident in even 100 spins.
Hypothetically, for a person who has practiced "precognition" a lot (reached a very advanced level) and that could bet on a single number, and get a hit within the first 3 spins, it would be very unlikely that he is just getting "lucky".
For a person who let's say is an intermediate, who could bet on a single number, and get a hit in first 10 spins, would require more testing, but a LOT less than for systems.
Systems to begin with are based on fallacy (those that don't improve the accuracy of predictions, and are depend on progression/bankroll management, repeaters, etc) certainly require millions of spins, as their edge to begin with would be very small - unless shown otherwise. Like precogmiles have mentioned, systems are formulas - but other methods (such as precognition) are not formulas.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 13, 06:46 AM 2020
I don't know 100% for Steve's reasoning, but I agree with him.
The way I see it - is when we are talking about games of chance, that the length of test definitely depends on the methodology of how the results
were generated. Why? Because the bigger edge, the less variance, and the likelihood of you just being lucky, decreases.
For a very advanced roulette computer, that has a very high accuracy, it would be very evident in even 100 spins.
Hypothetically, for a person who has practiced "precognition" a lot (reached a very advanced level) and that could bet on a single number, and get a hit within the first 3 spins, it would be very unlikely that he is just getting "lucky".
For a person who let's say is an intermediate, who could bet on a single number, and get a hit in first 10 spins, would require more testing, but a LOT less than for systems.
Systems to begin with are based on fallacy (those that don't improve the accuracy of predictions, and are depend on progression/bankroll management, repeaters, etc) certainly require millions of spins, as their edge to begin with would be very small - unless shown otherwise. Like precogmiles have mentioned, systems are formulas - but other methods (such as precognition) are not formulas.
Good points.
I wonder if moxy and joereally are willing to wait 20 years for a precoger to complete a million spins? Or is it just an attempt to allow system players to keep claiming 1+1=3 and not have to provide any evidence.
Guys, you're still arguing in a circle because you're assuming (because you're biased) that it's perfectly justifiable to demand that systems be put through a million spins whereas precog or a roulette computer can be proved effective with much less. That's the point at issue, not whether systems can win or not. I'm not trying to argue that they can, only that it's double standards to take results from precog or AP as proof that they are effective, while dismissing similar results from a system.
And neither am I arguing that precog should be tested over a million spins, quite the opposite, in fact.
Suppose you are given a stream of W and L which represent the results from playing roulette. You don't know what the method was - it could be a system, a computer, or precog. Let's say for the sake of argument bets were on 18 numbers, there were 500, and 350 wins. This result would be impossible by chance (variance) alone and so you would quite rightly assume that you have a real edge. Now suppose you're told that the results are from using a system. Probably you would insist that there should be a longer test. But why? And please don't just repeat that AP or precog is more likely to win. Forget about what you 'know' and let the data speak for itself without using prior assumptions.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 08:20 AM 2020Guys, you're still arguing in a circle because you're assuming (because you're biased) that it's perfectly justifiable to demand that systems be put through a million spins whereas precog or a roulette computer can be proved effective with much less
Joe, you're still not getting it.
Systems like repeaters have no valid logic. The logic and proof shows it doesnt work.
Computers have far more substanting data than just wins and losses, like precise predictions of when and where the ball falls. So far fewer spins are needed for proof.
Precog has much better logic and substantiation than systems like repeaters. But they do not have additional substantiating data, and tests must be manual. So verification is very difficult. But it still needs the same amount of spins to test as systems, except if the edge is very high. But still a lot of spins would be needed.
It's still better than 1+1=42.
And the proof of precog is far stronger than you're aware. But i dont have time to explain it again. Do or don't believe it. Nobody cares.
It's not complicated. It has all been explained before.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 08:20 AM 2020Suppose you are given a stream of W and L which represent the results from playing roulette. You don't know what the method was - it could be a system, a computer, or precog. Let's say for the sake of argument bets were on 18 numbers, there were 500, and 350 wins. This result would be impossible by chance (variance) alone and so you would quite rightly assume that you have a real edge. Now suppose you're told that the results are from using a system. Probably you would insist that there should be a longer test. But why? And please don't just repeat that AP or precog is more likely to win. Forget about what you 'know' and let the data speak for itself without using prior assumptions.
Ok since we are supposing. Suppose I was to walk on water, and then claim 1+1=3. Would you believe 1+1=3?
Their claims are false from an axiomatic level. The axioms they use to build their system refute their own claims.
A million or a billion tests would not make a difference.
What in fact happens is a RTM when their systems are tested long enough.
No Steve, you're the one who doesn't get it. There is no logic to precognition or any evidence for it other than anecdotal. And if you know systems don't work why bother to even test them at all?
QuoteComputers have far more substanting data than just wins and losses, like precise predictions of when and where the ball falls.
That's irrelevant to statistical tests or simple win rate. I'm talking about judgment based on criteria common to all methods of generating results. Is that the explanation you're putting in your next video?
Why you need to run a system trhough 1mil spins? Because you can! There is really nothing holding you back to do it. So, do it!
If i could test precog with 1mil spins i would do it to. But i can't.
So lets see what we got here:
1. We have systems that you can test for a mil spins but nobody found a system that works longterm.
2. We have precog/AP/roulette computers/gizmo/notto. All methods that you cant test for 1mil spins. All claim to be winning long term...
So what is the diff between the two? Hard work and pratice. Seems like winning is a skill.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 08:43 AM 2020Ok since we are supposing. Suppose I was to walk on water, and then claim 1+1=3. Would you believe 1+1=3?
Their claims are false from an axiomatic level. The axioms they use to build their system refute their own claims.
That's just silly. And you don't seem to realize you're undermining your own claims too. If 'random' means unpredictable how can even precognition predict random outcomes? 'Predicting the unpredictable' is an oxymoron. And precognition itself implies determinism in which case there can be no 'random' outcomes. That's great for precognition but at the same time you can't also insist that systems can't work because outcomes are 'random'. It's a mess of contradictions.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 13, 08:30 AM 2020
It's not complicated. It has all been explained before
Exactly, I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this.
Everyone seems to want to reinvent the wheel and come up some random argument to make systems work.
Like I said, I'm not trying to argue that systems work, only that if a test is good for one method, it should be good for all. Why is that so hard to understand? ???
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 08:55 AM 2020
That's just silly. And you don't seem to realize you're undermining your own claims too. If 'random' means unpredictable how can even precognition predict random outcomes? 'Predicting the unpredictable' is an oxymoron. And precognition itself implies determinism in which case there can be no 'random' outcomes. That's great for precognition but at the same time you can't also insist that systems can't work because outcomes are 'random'. It's a mess of contradictions.
That is just semantics. Do you know what random is at a deeper level of reality?
Do you know all the theories if causality? And how would you prove those theories?
Do you know the difference between a statement like;
The sun will rise tomorrow.
And...
1+1=2
This is basic philosophy.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 08:50 AM 2020No Steve, you're the one who doesn't get it. There is no logic to precognition or any evidence for it other than anecdotal.
You dont know any better.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 08:50 AM 2020And if you know systems don't work why bother to even test them at all?
If you're referring to the tests in my videos, they were specifically to explain what people aren't understanding. People learn best by seeing.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 08:50 AM 2020That's irrelevant to statistical tests or simple win rate. I'm talking about judgment based on criteria common to all methods of generating results. Is that the explanation you're putting in your next video?
Joe, more data means more proof. You're mixing apples with oranges.
My next video will include more explanations of why large volume testing is needed. Not this 200 spins bullshit. Even 100,000 spins isnt enough.
And you've really got no idea about precog - the science, the testing, the proof etc - and that's fine. You can be critical. You're incorrect. But I really don't care.
The fact is that scientists, engineers, doctors, marketers, economists, etc etc use statistical inference all the time to test theories and hypotheses, quality control etc and they find it very useful, even indispensable. It's used increasingly because there is more and more data to make sense of. It can be used equally well on any data, as long as you interpret the results sensibly.
Steve is right that if there are independent ways of verifying effectiveness, it reduces the reliance on other kinds of tests, and AP is unique in that respect. But precog and systems are on a par in that that there is no other corroborating evidence available. Precog might have some accompanying theories which explains why it could work, but they're just that : speculation. Speculation isn't grounds for making do with small samples in the way that correct predictions about where the ball falls allows you to make do with smaller tests when using a computer.
So you can't do million spin tests for precog, and it isn't necessary for systems either. The fact that it's possible for systems doesn't make it necessary. Most people can't code and even for those that can, most systems coded are pretty simple, and simple systems are unlikely to win. I agree with Steve on that.
The options are
1.Precog and systems need a million spins
2. Systems need a million spins but precog doesn't
3. Precog needs a million spins but systems don't
4. Neither precog or systems need a million spins
if the only 2 options you accept are 3 and 4 then I have nothing to say about that. It seems you are the based one.
If you pick options 1 and 3 then Good luck with that you'll probably have to wait 20 to 30 years for that.
I pick only option 4. How does that make me biased?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 06:19 AM 2020
If you can't understand the difference between someone claiming 1 +1=3 and somebody else claiming if they train hard enough that they can improve their ability to do arthmetics faster, then that is your problem.
One is impossible the other is a skill.
You just hope for the day someone proves 1+1=3 . No amount of testing, small or large is going to prove this.
This is wrong. We have examples of this in all sports leagues. Those teams with the best skilled players win the league more times than teams with good tactics. Skill is the ultimate determinant
Have you got an example for this?
If I remember correctly it was you who originally posted that website because you didn't want to accept the results from MPR. I was just using your own website as evidence against your unfounded scepticism.
My issue with probability is When it is used to make models or claims based solely on inference. First comes reality then comes statistics. It is not the other way around.
One day I'll be able levitate. I just know it. We do it every day to a tiny extent. It's called jumping but if I can force to suspend myself mid-air a tad longer then the possibilities are endless.
Wish me luck.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 11:25 AM 2020
I pick only option 4. How does that make me biased?
Do we need any testing at all?
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 11:34 AM 2020
One day I'll be able levitate. I just know it. We do it every day to a tiny extent. It's called jumping but if I can force to suspend myself mid-air a tad longer then the possibilities are endless.
Wish me luck.
Good luck.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 08:55 AM 2020
That's just silly. And you don't seem to realize you're undermining your own claims too. If 'random' means unpredictable how can even precognition predict random outcomes? 'Predicting the unpredictable' is an oxymoron. And precognition itself implies determinism in which case there can be no 'random' outcomes. That's great for precognition but at the same time you can't also insist that systems can't work because outcomes are 'random'. It's a mess of contradictions.
You are on 🔥, G. 🔥, I tells ya,🔥.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 07:55 AM 2020
Good points.
I wonder if moxy and joereally are willing to wait 20 years for a precoger to complete a million spins? Or is it just an attempt to allow system players to keep claiming 1+1=3 and not have to provide any evidence.
Have not you been reading my posts?
What if someone got extremely lucky and then claimed he gots the precog?
Or what if someone got extremely lucky and claimed it was a system?
Or what if someone got extremely lucky and claimed he was extremely lucky?
How would you pragmatically react to all three without being biased? Key word: biased.
Joe, Steve imo explained it perfectly.
The difference is that you don’t have enough experience with precogniton, although now you are more open-minded to.
Once you get enough experience - you will understand as to what we are saying here.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 12:16 PM 2020
Have not you been reading my posts?
What if someone got extremely lucky and then claimed he gots the precog?
Or what if someone got extremely lucky and claimed it was a system?
Or what if someone got extremely lucky and claimed he was extremely lucky?
How would you pragmatically react to all three without being biased? Key word: biased.
You clearly were too busy trolling, as I have already addressed those questions
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 10:40 AM 2020
If you pick options 1 and 3 then Good luck with that you'll probably have to wait 20 to 30 years for that.
You are neglecting the scientific process and therefore inherently/technically biased even if you don't want to be.
For the sake of science, B. Science.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 13, 12:27 PM 2020
Joe, Steve imo explained it perfectly.
The difference is that you don’t have enough experience with precogniton, although now you are more open-minded to.
Once you get enough experience - you will understand as to what we are saying here.
Don't forget levitation. That stuff is real man.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 09:18 AM 2020
That is just semantics. Do you know what random is at a deeper level of reality?
Do you know all the theories if causality? And how would you prove those theories?
Do you know the difference between a statement like;
The sun will rise tomorrow.
And...
1+1=2
This is basic philosophy.
You conveniently left out this axiom.
The scientific process has no fixed timeline. It's not single-generational, not multi-generational; it's all-generational.
It doesn't care about your expedient desire to get on the field and play. It cares about refuting or confirming beyond all doubt.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 12:43 PM 2020
You conveniently left out this axiom.
The scientific process has no fixed timeline. It's not single-generational, not multi-generational; it's all-generational.
It doesn't care about your expedient desire to get on the field and play. It cares about refuting or confirming beyond all doubt.
You have no idea what the philosophical basis of science even is if you think it cares about refuting or confirming 'beyond all doubt'
This is the level of IQ we have to deal with on this forum. No wonder it is infested with system junkies.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 12:53 PM 2020
You have no idea what the philosophical basis of science even is if you think it cares about refuting or confirming 'beyond all doubt'
This is the level of IQ we have to deal with on this forum. No wonder it is infested with system junkies.
Everything "out of the box" or not must be viewed with the same critical lense and tested extensively as such.
Levitation, telekinesis, telepathy, precog, systems, algorithms, AP play, ghosts, questions about the afterlife, etc.
Nothing gets special treatment.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 01:02 PM 2020
Everything "out of the box" or not must be viewed with the same critical lense and tested extensively as such.
Levitation, telekinesis, telepathy, precog, systems, algorithms, AP play, ghosts, questions about the afterlife, etc.
Nothing gets special treatment.
We don't need lessons in skeptsicm thank you.
It is funny that you actually think we just believe in it without any evidence.
Is that all you have to contribute? To tell that we should be more skeptical and believe in the cult of materialism?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 01:14 PM 2020
We don't need lessons in skeptsicm thank you.
It is funny that you actually think we just believe in it without any evidence.
Is that all you have to contribute? To tell that we should be more skeptical and believe in the cult of materialism?
Being that I am a determinist objectivist, the answer is Yes. Very much so.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 01:19 PM 2020
Being that I am a determinist objectivist, the answer is Yes. Very much so.
Well in that case, I do not accept your biased arguments based off of your crude ideology.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 01:23 PM 2020
Well in that case, I do not accept your biased arguments based off of your crude ideology.
Yikes!
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 01:02 PM 2020Everything "out of the box" or not must be viewed with the same critical lense and tested extensively as such.
Levitation, telekinesis, telepathy, precog, systems, algorithms, AP play, ghosts, questions about the afterlife, etc.
Nothing gets special treatment.
Bravo! 8) :thumbsup:
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 02:34 PM 2020
Bravo! 8) :thumbsup:
I just threw in levitation as a joke, mind you.
Yawn!
Skeptics need a new hobby. Instead of trying to show off your feeble attempts at intelligence just contribute something meaningful in how to improve the accuracy of your predictions.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 02:39 PM 2020
I just threw in levitation as a joke, mind you.
;D
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=tW6pVFOpE6Q
IQ levels on this forum. :question:
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 03:29 PM 2020
IQ levels on this forum. :question:
Them are really fighting words, my friend.
Good example ^^
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 13, 03:34 PM 2020
Good example ^^
Fine. Challenge accepted. Bring your gloves. There will be a lot of glove slapping.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 03:31 PM 2020
Them are really fighting words, my friend.
Must have touched a nerve, Hmmm? Room temperature is not a compliment.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 03:38 PM 2020
Fine. Challenge accepted. Bring your gloves. There will be a lot of glove slapping.
IQ levels :question:
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 13, 03:40 PM 2020
Must have touched a nerve, Hmmm? Room temperature is not a compliment.
Bring your gloves as well. It'll be a triumvirate of terse, tactical and titillating tussle.
@ precogmiles, just go back to your parroting of 1 + 1 = 3, and mudslinging. It's what you know best.
You know, even if I proved to my own satisfaction that precog really works, I still prefer systems and working on them, because - as someone else mentioned - it's fun and makes you think. There is no opportunity to apply creativity or logic to precognition; it's mindless.
And the other thing you're overlooking is that there is the potential to create something which can be passed on to others, and earn what is essentially a passive income. With precog you will always have to work hard each playing session, you can never pass on your skills to anyone else, and when you die, the skill dies with you.
So this is why you don't want systems tested over a million spins.
And you have the audacity to claim we are the biased ones.
Again, IQ Levels are very interesting on this forum.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 04:02 PM 2020
You know, even if I proved to my own satisfaction that precog really works, I still prefer systems and working on them, because - as someone else mentioned - it's fun and makes you think. There is no opportunity to apply creativity or logic to precognition; it's mindless.
And the other thing you're overlooking is that there is the potential to create something which can be passed on to others, and earn what is essentially a passive income. With precog you will always have to work hard each playing session, you can never pass on your skills to anyone else, and when you die, the skill dies with you.
You are overlooking the fact, that precognition could be applied to many areas of life, it goes far beyond roulette.
And yes, if you want to succeed in anything - you need to put in the work and the effort. System junkies, and people who look for get rich quick schemes, are beyond deluded that think that one day they will find the HG, that would allow them to print money without putting in any work. That's just not how life works.
Precog skill can actually be passed down and has already been - at least to me. Thanks to this forum and precogmiles - I discovered precognition. and applied the information that I learned. The more you practice, the more success that you gain, the more fun it becomes.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 13, 07:58 PM 2020
You are overlooking the fact, that precognition could be applied to many areas of life, it goes far beyond roulette.
And yes, if you want to succeed in anything - you need to put in the work and the effort. System junkies, and people who look for get rich quick schemes, are beyond deluded that think that one day they will find the HG, that would allow them to print money without putting in any work. That's just not how life works.
Precog skill can actually be passed down and has already been - at least to me. Thanks to this forum and precogmiles - I discovered precognition. and applied the information that I learned. The more you practice, the more success that you gain, the more fun it becomes.
How far are we on alien telepathy? I hear that's the next wave.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 13, 08:37 PM 2020
How far are we on alien telepathy? I hear that's the next wave.
How far are you from getting banned? I hear that’s the next wave.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 13, 07:58 PM 2020And yes, if you want to succeed in anything - you need to put in the work and the effort. System junkies, and people who look for get rich quick schemes, are beyond deluded that think that one day they will find the HG, that would allow them to print money without putting in any work. That's just not how life works.
You're tarring all system players with the same brush, but not all of them are lazy and looking for get rich quick schemes. For those who do make the effort and are successful, it only has to be done once. That was my point. If the system works there's no need to put in continuing effort as you have to for precog, because you have the algorithm. There are plenty of examples of people making this kind of 'passive' income, so it's not deluded to think that way.
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Precog skill can actually be passed down and has already been - at least to me. Thanks to this forum and precogmiles - I discovered precognition. and applied the information that I learned. The more you practice, the more success that you gain, the more fun it becomes.
Yes you can teach others about precog and how to practice it, etc, but they still have to put the work in themselves to get any benefit from it. Once you have a successful system you could sell it if you wanted to, so you are transferring the results of your hard work and research to others, but you can't 'transfer' your skill in precog to anyone else. They have to put in the effort themselves. That's not an advantage but a disadvantage.
Sadly the old saying "hard work will pay off" does not apply to roulette. And to many other things in life for that matter.
One can try precog/remote view, but the result is not guaranteed. Iain says in one of the roulette warriors youtube videos, that they have met many people who had been trying for years to get better at it, but they simply cannot do it, so his conclusion was that psychic roulette is not for everyone.
I have tried it for a year but I didn't see any positive results, so I've decided to work on a system instead.
What I don't like about psychic roulette is that in order to have positive result, you cannot be sad, too happy, excited, stressed, tired, distracted, scared, too confident, drunk, etc.
Of course I have spent (mostly wasted) many more years working on systems, and it may never pay off. I could even lose my sanity in the end :o :) But to me the "non-random" way of thinking that was shown on the forum many years ago is quite mesmerizing. I don't do the traditional approach of "what if I wait for this, then bet that with a 5 step progression, run it for a million spins and see the results." I understand the odds, probabilities, negative expectation and independence nature of spins quite well. But as soon as you realize that there can be dependent outcomes, and you shift your view from spins to events, there will be a lot of new possibilities. I can think for weeks about problems that needs to be solved without trying any systems.
The point of my rambling is that not all "system junkies" are the same. Even though none of us can show a consistent winner.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 05:39 AM 2020
You're tarring all system players with the same brush, but not all of them are lazy and looking for get rich quick schemes. For those who do make the effort and are successful, it only has to be done once. That was my point. If the system works there's no need to put in continuing effort as you have to for precog, because you have the algorithm.
If you think it is possible to develop a system with successful algorithm - then you are deluded.
Have take in to the account all the time and energy that you put in while working on a system? What about all the other players that have done the same, not to mention those that lost a lot of money as well in the process?
You are one of the few exceptions - but the psychology for majority of system players, is identical to those that looks for get rich, quick schemes.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 05:39 AM 2020
There are plenty of examples of people making this kind of 'passive' income, so it's not deluded to think that way.
You are mixing apples and oranges. You can't compare a person who has built a successful business, which brings him passive income, to a possible Roulette "system". In order to begin with - the foundation and logic behind as to why it would work needs to exist. For a "system" it certainly doesn't exist.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 05:39 AM 2020
Yes you can teach others about precog and how to practice it, etc, but they still have to put the work in themselves to get any benefit from it. Once you have a successful system you could sell it if you wanted to, so you are transferring the results of your hard work and research to others, but you can't 'transfer' your skill in precog to anyone else. They have to put in the effort themselves. That's not an advantage but a disadvantage.
Even players that have used Roulette computers, had to put in the work. Not only on how and why Roulette computers work, but to be able to win discreetly without getting banned and caught by casinos.
It's very fascinating to hear this from you - given that you have a solid understanding of math, statistics, etc.
If you are looking for passive income - there are plenty of better and easier ways in which you can achieve this. I have already done so - so I speak from experience.
Quote from: ati on Jun 14, 08:01 AM 2020
What I don't like about psychic roulette is that in order to have positive result, you cannot be sad, too happy, excited, stressed, tired, distracted, scared, too confident, drunk, etc.
That's exactly right. In order to have success with precognition, it requires you to raise your level of consciousness. Meditation, and other practices go hand in had. In turn, it forces you to work on yourself and improve your life in general. This is a big plus in my opinion.
Alcohol actually kills intuition and should be avoided or kept to a bare minimum. Proper diet and nutrition also helps, among with many other things.
If you would have spent all that time that you wasted on systems, on precognition, meditation, etc instead - you would be crushing Roulette.
Roulette and passive income should not even be in the same sentence.
It is funny that some people think casinos are stupid.
Casinos hire real PhD statistians and expert quantitative analysts to help with there KPI and Profit and losses.
System players are delusional as hell if they think casinos will allow any game that can be beaten by mathematics in their casinos either online or B&M
Casinos will even cheat if they have to. This is a business not a charity.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 13, 07:58 PM 2020You are overlooking the fact, that precognition could be applied to many areas of life, it goes far beyond roulette.
100% agree.
This is what they fail to understand. I have no intention of limiting this skill to just roulette.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 14, 08:48 AM 2020It's very fascinating to hear this from you - given that you have a solid understanding of math, statistics, etc.
To be honest I used to be in the same camp as you regarding roulette systems, but I have seen with my own eyes how it's possible to win using systems, so I'm much more open-minded about it now (in fact, I'm convinced it can be done).
I already have skills built up from years of sports betting, so I think I have as good a chance as anyone of being successful.
And to keep a sense of perspective, most people not into roulette or gambling reading this thread would find this argument between systems and precog hilarious. They would think both camps equally deluded (perhaps the precogers having the edge here ;D)
QuoteSystem players are delusional as hell if they think casinos will allow any game that can be beaten by mathematics in their casinos either online or B&M
Blackjack was thought to be unbeatable by the casinos until Ed Thorp discovered there was an edge which nobody had previously found. And yes I'm aware of the big difference between roulette and blackjack, statistically speaking, but just saying.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 10:03 AM 2020And to keep a sense of perspective, most people not into roulette or gambling reading this thread would find this argument between systems and precog hilarious. They would think both camps equally deluded (perhaps the precogers having the edge here )
And most people thought the sun went around the earth.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 10:03 AM 2020Blackjack was thought to be unbeatable by the casinos until Ed Thorp discovered there was an edge which nobody had previously found. And yes I'm aware of the big difference between roulette and blackjack, statistically speaking, but just saying
Systems are not AP, card counting and precog are.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 10:03 AM 2020but I have seen with my own eyes how it's possible to win using systems,
Then why don't you share this amazing discovery and that will end the discussion.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 14, 10:25 AM 2020Then why don't you share this amazing discovery and that will end the discussion.
I couldn't even if I wanted to because it's not a system which can be described easily. In fact it's a large computer program with thousands of lines of code. I've mentioned it before in another thread. It was written by my cousin's husband who was a professional programmer but now makes a good living (and has done so for years) from playing roulette online. It uses pretty ordinary systems based on statistics (no dangerous progressions), but they are integrated in an ingenious way. It's not a 'bot' but is totally mechanical; he just enters the spins and it tells him where to bet.
It's fine if you don't believe me, I didn't at first.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 11:12 AM 2020
I couldn't even if I wanted to because it's not a system which can be described easily. In fact it's a large computer program with thousands of lines of code. I've mentioned it before in another thread. It was written by my cousin's husband who was a professional programmer but now makes a good living (and has done so for years) from playing roulette online. It uses pretty ordinary systems based on statistics (no dangerous progressions), but they are integrated in an ingenious way. It's not a 'bot' but is totally mechanical; he just enters the spins and it tells him where to bet.
It's fine if you don't believe me, I didn't at first.
Maybe you should come to some agreement with him to buy his program.
Or maybe he should watch Steve's videos. I think Steve also went through a phase of winning using a system.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 14, 09:18 AM 2020
Roulette and passive income should not even be in the same sentence.
It is funny that some people think casinos are stupid.
Casinos hire real PhD statistians and expert quantitative analysts to help with there KPI and Profit and losses.
System players are delusional as hell if they think casinos will allow any game that can be beaten by mathematics in their casinos either online or B&M
Casinos will even cheat if they have to. This is a business not a charity.
Whatever you say, chief. You're the expert.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 14, 10:25 AM 2020
Then why don't you share this amazing discovery and that will end the discussion.
Bunch of clever hacks on here. No dice.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 13, 04:02 PM 2020There is no opportunity to apply creativity or logic to precognition; it's mindless.
Precog has tons of creativity involved, depending on what you're doing. Precog could include meditations on your 3rd eye and pineal gland to improve creativity. I have won using precog by changing my methods and style of play. My experience indicates that you can't keep doing the same thing. My methods are creativity at its finest: constantly coming up with new ways to visualize and direct energy. Also, I wouldn't even care about creativity with roulette, just making money, but creativity is fun and useful for other parts of your life.
If you properly meditate on all your chakras and engage in energy work, like I have, you will realize that our thinking is unlimited. We can take advantage of this by constantly changing our method of precog, since the same thing doesn't always work.
Perhaps people have mastered their own precog techniques and can always use the same thing. Kudos to them!
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 11:12 AM 2020playing roulette online
All online table games cheat. Period.
Perhaps they will allow or even rig their software or games to let you win with free money, but not with real money.
Once you have a real winning method, you must go to a real bricks and mortar casino in real person.
Also, do you really think an online casino is going to let someone win over and over?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 14, 11:37 AM 2020Maybe you should come to some agreement with him to buy his program.
He'll never sell it and won't give it away either because he put so much effort into creating it. But he has given me advice on how to write my own. I just haven't got around to doing it yet. I guess if my need was greater I'd be more motivated.
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Or maybe he should watch Steve's videos. I think Steve also went through a phase of winning using a system.
lol, I'm not about to take Steve's advice on systems. And it's not a 'phase'. Like I said, he's been winning for years, and tested it extensively before playing for real money. It's bulletproof.
Quote from: pepper on Jun 14, 02:46 PM 2020All online table games cheat. Period.
Right. Thanks for your opinion. :yawn:
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 11:12 AM 2020
I couldn't even if I wanted to because it's not a system which can be described easily. In fact it's a large computer program with thousands of lines of code. I've mentioned it before in another thread. It was written by my cousin's husband who was a professional programmer but now makes a good living (and has done so for years) from playing roulette online. It uses pretty ordinary systems based on statistics (no dangerous progressions), but they are integrated in an ingenious way. It's not a 'bot' but is totally mechanical; he just enters the spins and it tells him where to bet.
It's fine if you don't believe me, I didn't at first.
Does his program beat a particular wheel or wheels, or all wheels online? And does it beat RNG roulette or real wheels with live cameras?
If it is based on statistics, and can beat roulette wheels without using progression (flat betting) - then it's not really a "system". It would be an AP program - which uses bias analysis, or other metrics, which increases the accuracy of predictions.
You need to understand, that when I refer to systems here, I am referring to methods that do not improve the accuracy of predictions.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 03:05 PM 2020
Right. Thanks for your opinion. :yawn:
He's/She's got a point. Most every online casino (real live tables mainly) will ban you at some point in time in an effort to not allow you to use them as a source of income if you take them hard and often.
So he would have to essentially win little here and there and lose even less here and there as to not trigger any alarm bells to thrive for years. And maybe do that stealthily with multiple online casino accounts for a more substantial take.
Years ago, I won 6k from 1k in one night. The very next day, hastily as I was, thinking that I was on the fast track to you know what, the RNG almost seemed to dynamically "play" against me regardless what I did.
At the time I didn't know any legit AP play so it was very likely the casino odds finally catching up to me. But, I am certain to this day the consecutive amount of losses it gave me went past the statistical norm of common variance because I most likely triggered their alarm bell on the huge win the night prior, which I also may have won past the statistical norm of common variance.
In other words, the RNG was rigged to let you win first, only to take all of your money in the end and hope you didn't learn your lesson the first time around. I sure did though. I got it back up to 5k and withdrew. Never played again.
But if your in law is thriving then good for him.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 14, 03:16 PM 2020Does his program beat a particular wheel or wheels, or all wheels online? And does it beat RNG roulette or real wheels with live cameras?
If it is based on statistics, and can beat roulette wheels without using progression (flat betting) - then it's not really a "system". It would be an AP program - which uses bias analysis, or other metrics, which increases the accuracy of predictions.
No, none of the systems he uses can be classed as AP because they're all based on past events and numbers. As I said, there are multiple systems, ranging from a few straight-up numbers to outside bets, although nothing of lower odds than EC. The bet selections are based on patterns, trends or hot/cold events or numbers - classic gambler's fallacy stuff! And the money-management is flat-betting most of the time; the pattern is to start with higher odds bets (like a street) and then, if needed, losses are recovered using a lower odds bet (like a dozen or EC). It's kind of like a 'parachute' system only in reverse.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 14, 03:53 PM 2020In other words, the RNG was rigged to let you win first, only to take all of your money in the end and hope you didn't learn your lesson the first time around. I sure did though. I got it back up to 5k and withdrew. Never played again.
But if your in law is thriving then good for him.
He never plays RNG because he says they are too easily manipulated (and I tend to agree, even though I don't think cheating is nearly as common as players make out). And he has multiple accounts and is not greedy. He said his goal was too make no more than what he used to earn at his old job. He does that while putting in far fewer hours.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 15, 09:08 AM 2020reverse
Since all loses won't be recoved, you should try reversing it when that doesn't work. Perhaps go from the lower odds bets to the higher odds bets. This still won't give you an edge, but it heads you in the right direction. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Joe on Jun 15, 09:08 AM 2020The bet selections are based on patterns, trends or hot/cold events or numbers - classic gambler's fallacy stuff!
That's not gambler's fallacy. It's a form of confirmation bias used as a positive thing. In confirmation bias you see what you want to see. Gambler's fallacy is a basic premise that something is due because of cause and effect. If there is a streak of reds then more blacks are due. That is a fallacy. The difference, the way that I see it, is that a thing is in a current state of happening and that It might happen some more. But also an added layer is running on top of all that. There is a trend for when these guesses go into a very effective state.
Here is proof of this concept where trends are completely left out of the selection process. All bet selections are placed on Red and Red only for the next 300 spins, about 10 hours of live play at a busy casino. You bet $90 on each bet that is in a state of working very good in stretches or streaks. You bet $5 on all other conditions for each spin. So it goes from observing trends to actual telemetry of real effectiveness and the recognition or awareness of these conditional states. Nothing is believed to be due. It just comes and goes all on it's own and without any expectation or magical belief.
I think people need things defined as gambler's fallacy in order to confirm the rational for dismissing things that they have not clearly thought out. In other words it's a defense mechanism or a control mechanism for misunderstanding disagreement. It's comforting to not have to think. It's a relief from that burden. Many people give themselves the permission to dismiss ideas that require extra work to understand because the group thinkers give them that permission & out. It's OK now, and later they will have group think remorse. Pack mentality is for easy passage and an uneventful life. Those that find out last will get what they set out to get.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 15, 09:35 AM 2020
That's not gambler's fallacy. It's a form of confirmation bias used as a positive thing. In confirmation bias you see what you want to see. Gambler's fallacy is a basic premise that something is due because of cause and effect. If there is a streak of reds then more blacks are due. That is a fallacy. The difference, the way that I see it, is that a thing is in a current state of happening and that It might happen some more. But also an added layer is running on top of all that. There is a trend for when these guesses go into a very effective state.
Here is proof of this concept where trends are completely left out of the selection process. All bet selections are placed on Red and Red only for the next 300 spins, about 10 hours of live play at a busy casino. You bet $90 on each bet that is in a state of working very good in stretches or streaks. You bet $5 on all other conditions for each spin. So it goes from observing trends to actual telemetry of real effectiveness and the recognition or awareness of these conditional states. Nothing is believed to be due. It just comes and goes all on it's own and without any expectation or magical belief.
I think people need things defined as gambler's fallacy in order to confirm the rational for dismissing things that they have not clearly thought out. In other words it's a defense mechanism or a control mechanism for misunderstanding disagreement. It's comforting to not have to think. It's a relief from that burden. Many people give themselves the permission to dismiss ideas that require extra work to understand because the group thinkers give them that permission & out. It's OK now, and later they will have group think remorse. Pack mentality is for easy passage and an uneventful life. Those that find out last will get what they set out to get.
The calvary rides on.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 15, 11:37 AM 2020The calvary rides on.
Says the prolific and pondering pragmatical road apple in contemplating movement as it passes by.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 15, 09:08 AM 2020
No, none of the systems he uses can be classed as AP because they're all based on past events and numbers. As I said, there are multiple systems, ranging from a few straight-up numbers to outside bets, although nothing of lower odds than EC. The bet selections are based on patterns, trends or hot/cold events or numbers - classic gambler's fallacy stuff! And the money-management is flat-betting most of the time; the pattern is to start with higher odds bets (like a street) and then, if needed, losses are recovered using a lower odds bet (like a dozen or EC). It's kind of like a 'parachute' system only in reverse.
Didn't Steve say, that back in the days, when he was a system player, he thought that he found a winner - only after years of winning with it, actually losing and realizing that it was a losing system?
Prior to using this system - did he tell you how much he tested it? On how many spins did he test it?
And do you have any other information? How frequently does he use it, how many spins per session on average does he play?
I also have a hard time believing that he didn't get banned from online casinos, or has not encountered that problem, as casinos ban any consistent winners - no matter how you win.
Quote from: winforus on Jun 15, 12:59 PM 2020as casinos ban any consistent winners - no matter how you win.
People always say this, but has anyone really been banned from beating roulette. This information is no where to be found. Perhaps casinos hide it to protect themselves. Exclude using roulette computers or cheating.
The wizard from the wizard of odds website said that nobody has ever been banned from beating roulette. Again, I would obviously not include cheaters in this, but possibly no one has even been banned from cheating at roulette either, maybe just arrested and/or convicted of crime/s.
Also, I am not counting online casinos, but maybe no one has ever been banned from beating roulette online either. If they were banned from winning online, they were probably exploiting the rng or doing some type of hacking.
Quote from: pepper on Jun 15, 01:09 PM 2020
Also, I am not counting online casinos, but maybe no one has ever been banned from beating roulette online either. If they were banned from winning online, they were probably exploiting the rng or doing some type of hacking.
I was referring to online casinos - as that person who programmed the program, is using at online casinos, according to Joe. In real casinos - you can get away with a lot more than at online casinos - as the winnings in online casinos are tracked much more easily.
Many people have been banned from playing online, you really have no clue. Which is why Steve says, once you got a winning method, it's all about how much you can get away with.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 15, 12:34 PM 2020
Says the prolific and pondering pragmatical road apple in contemplating movement as it passes by.
Nice alliteration.
I anxiously await another axiomatic anecdote in the annals of Giz..Mo..Tron.
Quote from: pepper on Jun 15, 01:09 PM 2020
People always say this, but has anyone really been banned from beating roulette. This information is no where to be found. Perhaps casinos hide it to protect themselves. Exclude using roulette computers or cheating.
The wizard from the wizard of odds website said that nobody has ever been banned from beating roulette. Again, I would obviously not include cheaters in this, but possibly no one has even been banned from cheating at roulette either, maybe just arrested and/or convicted of crime/s.
Also, I am not counting online casinos, but maybe no one has ever been banned from beating roulette online either. If they were banned from winning online, they were probably exploiting the rng or doing some type of hacking.
Go out there and prove us wrong Cayenne!
I have good news concerning getting banned. There is no worldwide ban. If you ever find a winning method, go big, really big, because even if you get banned, you can just avoid the area where you were banned. Then, you know to be more careful in the future. Blackjack players just get banned from here and there. Also, if you get banned you can just pass on your knowledge to someone and split profits with them.
Moreover, it looks like wearing masks in public will remain acceptable. You can just tell others where to bet without revealing your identity. The other people cash in the chips and split profits with you. The worst thing that could happen in this scenario is that they could kick you out of the casino, and you can just go back after so much time passes.
The casino can ask for identification if YOU are cashing in the chips. Legally, you don't even have to show it, even if you are cashing in the chips, if it is under $10,000 (unless you're obviously avoiding a CTR, so just limit it to $9,000). The casino will hold your chips hostage if you don't show an ID. So, you just contact gaming and/or an attorney to straighten it out to get your money.
The casino will ask for identification on any big win; sometimes this is just $900. So, if you don't want to show your identification, then don't.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 15, 01:29 PM 2020Go out there and prove us wrong Cayenne!
Do you want me to prove that you can get banned or that you can't?
Quote from: pepper on Jun 15, 01:53 PM 2020
I have good news concerning getting banned. There is no worldwide ban. If you ever find a winning method, go big, really big, because even if you get banned, you can just avoid the area where you were banned. Then, you know to be more careful in the future. Blackjack players just get banned from here and there. Also, if you get banned you can just pass on your knowledge to someone and split profits with them.
Moreover, it looks like wearing masks in public will remain acceptable. You can just tell others where to bet without revealing your identity. The other people cash in the chips and split profits with you. The worst thing that could happen in this scenario is that they could kick you out of the casino, and you can just go back after so much time passes.
The casino can ask for identification if YOU are cashing in the chips. Legally, you don't even have to show it, even if you are cashing in the chips, if it is under $10,000 (unless you're obviously avoiding a CTR, so just limit it to $9,000). The casino will hold your chips hostage if you don't show an ID. So, you just contact gaming and/or an attorney to straighten it out to get your money.
The casino will ask for identification on any big win; sometimes this isn just $900. So, if you don't want to show your identification, then don't.
Do you want me to prove that you can get banned or that you can't?
You did well Kimosabe. A field assignment is in order.
Meaningless phrases, meaningless phrases, pointless words, pointless words...
Prophecy: Isaiah 44:18,
They know not, nor do they discern, for he has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand.
Quote from: pepper on Jun 15, 03:03 PM 2020
Meaningless phrases, meaningless phrases, pointless words, pointless words...
Prophecy: Isaiah 44:18,
They know not, nor do they discern, for he has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand.
Bocce balls!
Just an idea: find a way to consistently lose more than expected, then reverse it.
Thought of that. Doesn't work.
Quote from: pepper on Jun 15, 07:26 PM 2020
Just an idea: find a way to consistently lose more than expected, then reverse it.
Joe should be able to provide the math explanation.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 14, 03:53 PM 2020He's/She's got a point. Most every online casino (real live tables mainly) will ban you at some point in time in an effort to not allow you to use them as a source of income if you take them hard and often.
So he would have to essentially win little here and there and lose even less here and there as to not trigger any alarm bells to thrive for years. And maybe do that stealthily with multiple online casino accounts for a more substantial take.
Years ago, I won 6k from 1k in one night. The very next day, hastily as I was, thinking that I was on the fast track to you know what, the RNG almost seemed to dynamically "play" against me regardless what I did.
At the time I didn't know any legit AP play so it was very likely the casino odds finally catching up to me. But, I am certain to this day the consecutive amount of losses it gave me went past the statistical norm of common variance because I most likely triggered their alarm bell on the huge win the night prior, which I also may have won past the statistical norm of common variance.
In other words, the RNG was rigged to let you win first, only to take all of your money in the end and hope you didn't learn your lesson the first time around. I sure did though. I got it back up to 5k and withdrew. Never played again.But if your in law is thriving then good for him.
Maxipad, r u sum fake news liberal tearing down his own abolutionist statue?
Quote from: pepper on Jun 16, 12:54 AM 2020
Maxipad, r u sum fake news liberal tearing down his own abolutionist statue?
What? No bible quote this time?
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 03:04 PM 2020
He'll never sell it and won't give it away either because he put so much effort into creating it. But he has given me advice on how to write my own. I just haven't got around to doing it yet. I guess if my need was greater I'd be more motivated.
lol, I'm not about to take Steve's advice on systems. And it's not a 'phase'. Like I said, he's been winning for years, and tested it extensively before playing for real money. It's bulletproof.
If it's bullet proof then he could use his genius to make something similiar for the stock market, why waste such talents with roulette when he can literally make 100s of millions in a single year if he sold it to an investment bank?
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 16, 01:40 AM 2020What? No bible quote this time?
I can't believe it. We agree for once.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 16, 08:45 AM 2020If it's bullet proof then he could use his genius to make something similar for the stock market, why waste such talents with roulette when he can literally make 100s of millions in a single year if he sold it to an investment bank?
It's a baloney festival. It's fly paper. This is just snake oil. I have a magic ointment that will allow you to fly but you can't have it because I really don't like you any more than needing you to be envious of me. So buzz off.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 16, 08:45 AM 2020
If it's bullet proof then he could use his genius to make something similiar for the stock market, why waste such talents with roulette when he can literally make 100s of millions in a single year if he sold it to an investment bank?
Exactly this. Also, it would be hard for me to believe, that he wins consistently online, without being detected - not to mention that he doesn't have the desire to win larger amounts, and not just as much as he would make at his previous job.
lol, I wish I hadn't brought it up at all now. Like I said, it's ok if you don't believe me. Just stick with the precog and console yourself with the thought that systems can't win. I'm outta here.
Anyone truly engaged in precog should have an open enough mind to at least be open to the possibility of a winning system.
Isn't using precog just another type of system anyway? No matter what you do, you are doing it systematically, e.g., meditating, dowsing for numbers or sequences, applying psychic energy.
I hate this prison of two ideas type of thinking that only one way is the right way. Why not combine the best of both worlds? Maybe Joe's in-law hasn't figured out how to use it to the stock market or anything. I may have a winning formula (haven't done enough tests) and I don't know how to apply it to anything other than casino games.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 16, 11:29 AM 2020
lol, I wish I hadn't brought it up at all now. Like I said, it's ok if you don't believe me. Just stick with the precog and console yourself with the thought that systems can't win. I'm outta here.
No need to leave, you are in great company here along with the other system junkies. But.... don't you dont you think its just a little strange that this forum and many others like it have been running operating for decades and yet nobody has figured out a viable winning system. Let alone the thousands of PhD statistians who get paid for a living to verify and check that casino games have the correct RTP.
Is there a chance your in-law has discovered something nobody else has?Maybe!. I wish him and you all the best. I hope you get your passive income from a system.
Precog is real and has been working for 1000s of years, that is the safest bet when it comes to roulette.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 16, 12:24 PM 2020
No need to leave, you are in great company here along with the other system junkies. But.... don't you dont you think its just a little strange that this forum and many others like it have been running operating for decades and yet nobody has figured out a viable winning system. Let alone the thousands of PhD statistians who get paid for a living to verify and check that casino games have the correct RTP.
Is there a chance your in-law has discovered something nobody else has?Maybe!. I wish him and you all the best. I hope you get your passive income from a system.
Precog is real and has been working for 1000s of years, that is the safest bet when it comes to roulette.
Pre-cuckoo.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 16, 09:29 AM 2020
It's a baloney festival. It's fly paper. This is just snake oil. I have a magic ointment that will allow you to fly but you can't have it because I really don't like you any more than needing you to be envious of me. So buzz off.
Gizmotroll?
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 16, 01:18 PM 2020
Gizmotroll?
Moxic Toxic -- the moronic oxic, -- oxymoron that is.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Jun 16, 01:54 PM 2020
Moxic Toxic -- the moronic oxic, -- oxymoron that is.
Motherboard malfunction. Short circuit, maybe. Please, help. Somebody.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 16, 12:24 PM 2020But.... don't you dont you think its just a little strange that this forum and many others like it have been running operating for decades and yet nobody has figured out a viable winning system. Let alone the thousands of PhD statistians who get paid for a living to verify and check that casino games have the correct RTP. Is there a chance your in-law has discovered something nobody else has?
So, just because a winning system isn't public knowledge and/or you don't know it, it doesn't exist?
So, you've read every pm and everyone's minds whose been on this forum?
I'm sure Joe's in-law can't beat online casinos for long. No matter how much you try to cover up your wins with small loses, his account would still show consistent wins. Online casinos cheat if they can't win. All rngs are probably rigged. Live online casinos probably stitch together videos for fake spin results and can screw with you when it comes to paying out.
I'm not necessarily advocating systems; I just like to keep an open mind.
Where's your proof of precog? A couple hundred spins here and there. Any system can do that, too. I'm not saying precog isn't real, either, just trying to make a point.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 16, 11:29 AM 2020
lol, I wish I hadn't brought it up at all now. Like I said, it's ok if you don't believe me. Just stick with the precog and console yourself with the thought that systems can't win. I'm outta here.
Sometime ago when you were highly skeptical of precognition - you demanded proof, explanations, and logic behind why precog should work, but when you bring up a claim, with no evidence, you are not willing to do the same? Double standards much?
You avoided my questions, regarding the testing of the system, wheels, etc. I am open-minded to this being a possibility, but you seem to dodge the questions, the questions that you demand for others to answer usually.
I believe your story 100%, but I am skeptical of the fact what that guy told you, is actually true. In other words, I don't doubt that you are telling what you believe is true - yet I am skeptical of the fact that he has an actual winning "system".
Quote from: pepper on Jun 16, 02:42 PM 2020
Where's your proof of precog? A couple hundred spins here and there. Any system can do that, too. I'm not saying precog isn't real, either, just trying to make a point.
Urgent care needed in Precog aisle for a burn patient, stat!
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 16, 03:07 PM 2020Urgent care needed in Precog aisle for a burn patient, stat!
Caliente!!!!
Quote from: pepper on Jun 16, 02:42 PM 2020
So, just because a winning system isn't public knowledge and/or you don't know it, it doesn't exist?
So, you've read every pm and everyone's minds whose been on this forum?
I'm sure Joe's in-law can't beat online casinos for long. No matter how much you try to cover up your wins with small loses, his account would still show consistent wins. Online casinos cheat if they can't win. All rngs are probably rigged. Live online casinos probably stitch together videos for fake spin results and can screw with you when it comes to paying out.
I'm not necessarily advocating systems; I just like to keep an open mind.
Where's your proof of precog? A couple hundred spins here and there. Any system can do that, too. I'm not saying precog isn't real, either, just trying to make a point.
Open minded does not mean 1+1 =3
Quote from: Joe on Jun 14, 10:03 AM 2020
To be honest I used to be in the same camp as you regarding roulette systems, but I have seen with my own eyes how it's possible to win using systems, so I'm much more open-minded about it now (in fact, I'm convinced it can be done).
I already have skills built up from years of sports betting, so I think I have as good a chance as anyone of being successful.
And to keep a sense of perspective, most people not into roulette or gambling reading this thread would find this argument between systems and precog hilarious. They would think both camps equally deluded (perhaps the precogers having the edge here ;D)
Blackjack was thought to be unbeatable by the casinos until Ed Thorp discovered there was an edge which nobody had previously found. And yes I'm aware of the big difference between roulette and blackjack, statistically speaking, but just saying.
Seeing is believing. Glad to know that you got this opportunity to see a positive edge systems bet to change your perspective.👍
Took me few years to figure it out. The solution is kind of simple. And it's got nothing to do with repeaters.
RayManZ do you still play 3 numbers for 5 spins?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 17, 05:32 AM 2020
RayManZ do you still play 3 numbers for 5 spins?
3 number for 3 spins. 5 times. End when in profit. most of the times i'm not playing more then 6 spins.
If i'm in profit i say; goodbye, see you next day. Same goes if i lose all 15 spins.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 17, 06:08 AM 2020
3 number for 3 spins. 5 times. End when in profit. most of the times i'm not playing more then 6 spins.
If i'm in profit i say; goodbye, see you next day. Same goes if i lose all 15 spins.
Thanks, that's clear. I like the approach. Since precognition gives a higher Winrate but not 100% accuracy, it makes sense to give your guesses equal spins.
If you got the prediction wrong there is no point in sticking on that number, when you know you can take another guess and that will have a better chance of being right.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 17, 06:21 AM 2020
Thanks, that's clear. I like the approach. Since precognition gives a higher Winrate but not 100% accuracy, it makes sense to give your guesses equal spins.
If you got the prediction wrong there is no point in sticking on that number, when you know you can take another guess and that will have a better chance of being right.
So true. Sometimes i see/sense a number too late. Just when i'm ready to place my bet i see the number hit. I play on live tables. I noticed in my records its better to start again with a new guess then to go ahead with my guess that just hit.
The other side happens to. I get hits on the 4th or 5th spins. Nothing to do about that then thinking. Yes, im on the right track. Just need a bit more tuning.
3 spins is in my eyes perfect. I got a lot of stats of all my guesses. i record everything in a excel file. I recommend that everybody who is serious about precog does that.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 17, 06:34 AM 2020
So true. Sometimes i see/sense a number too late. Just when i'm ready to place my bet i see the number hit. I play on live tables. I noticed in my records its better to start again with a new guess then to go ahead with my guess that just hit.
The other side happens to. I get hits on the 4th or 5th spins. Nothing to do about that then thinking. Yes, im on the right track. Just need a bit more tuning.
3 spins is in my eyes perfect. I got a lot of stats of all my guesses. i record everything in a excel file. I recommend that everybody who is serious about precog does that.
Very interesting, do you take breaks between your spins? Or do you do the 15 spins in one sitting?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 17, 06:46 AM 2020
Very interesting, do you take breaks between your spins? Or do you do the 15 spins in one sitting?
Just on sitting. I only need to guess max 5 numbers. Thats not that much.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 17, 06:48 AM 2020
Just on sitting. I only need to guess max 5 numbers. Thats not that much.
Thanks for the information. I like your systematic approach. I noticed I lose the most when I play long sessions and when I get complacent.
I need to learn how to be more disciplined. When I win a few spins in a row I get greedy, tired and complacent, which is a very bad combination.
Do you meditate and can you explain the method you are using to get these results? I remember you mentioned dowsing.
Quote from: cht on Jun 16, 11:02 PM 2020Seeing is believing. Glad to know that you got this opportunity to see a positive edge systems bet to change your perspective.
Yes, seeing is believing. His system - actually it's more of a meta-system - has been tested for about half a million spins, and he's made about 300,000 actual bets since then. I guess it's possible that a system can stay in the black for that long betting few numbers with a big progression, but the drawdowns would be massive. The system isn't like that. It's a practical system which is playable.
Hi Precogmiles, I've been a fan of yours for a while.
I've been trying precognition for some time now, since back in the Roulette Warriors days and I found your posts on the net.
I have been running many trials on a wheel and RNG, playing the finals and single number. The problem is once I reach a certain point like 600 units profit, I get nervous. I lose a few times, get more worried about the bankroll, then start losing everything I've built so far. The only way to stop this is to quit while I'm ahead and start over. When I start over I always begin winning again.
I'm winning at a faster rate now, but the same thing happens.
I usually only do two plays a day so as not to burn out.
Do you have any suggestions as of what to do to improve?
Precogmiles, open-mindedness means 1+1 can equal 3.
1 twin pack of precog junkies + 1 pack of system junkies = 3 packs of junkies
I really like this approach I've been conducting an experiment today using this approach and I'm getting good results. I'm also seeing that the average number of spins is 6.
6 spin average gives a Winrate of around 2.0 which is very good.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 17, 06:08 AM 2020
3 number for 3 spins. 5 times. End when in profit. most of the times i'm not playing more then 6 spins.
If i'm in profit i say; goodbye, see you next day. Same goes if i lose all 15 spins.
I think playing just a single number or maybe two, your win rate would be even better with the same approach.
On the downside you need to make larger bets to make it worth.
You can also double or adjust your base unit every 36 try or so.
Having said that if you get consistently good at this method it will quickly draw unwanted attention and suspicion. Just imagine your roulette warrior like play history with multiple single number hits on different days.
The beauty of it lies when you are just reasonably good at it. It will seem like lucky wins once in a while utilizing progressions.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jun 20, 01:56 PM 2020
I think playing just a single number or maybe two, your win rate would be even better with the same approach.
On the downside you need to make larger bets to make it worth.
You can also double or adjust your base unit every 36 try or so.
Having said that if you get consistently good at this method it will quickly draw unwanted attention and suspicion. Just imagine your roulette warrior like play history with multiple single number hits on different days.
The beauty of it lies when you are just reasonably good at it. It will seem like lucky wins once in a while utilizing progressions.
Yes I agree. I think less is more.
The problem with precognition until now is that nobody can win constant.Nowhere clear rules how to learn it and how to improve it, you dont know like with steve's computers what is your min. and max. profit at the end of the week.I am sure precog sometimes you make money sometimes not, you dont know your min. and max, until know is more intuition .......I think only if steve's testing of this device will be positive then everybody will have a plan how to work on it (steve means basically only the software tests of the device +practice and thats it) to achieve constant winning.
Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 22, 10:46 AM 2020
The problem with precognition until now is that nobody can win constant.Nowhere clear rules how to learn it and how to improve it, you dont know like with steve's computers what is your min. and max. profit at the end of the week.I am sure precog sometimes you make money sometimes not, you dont know your min. and max, until know is more intuition .......I think only if steve's testing of this device will be positive then everybody will have a plan how to work on it (steve means basically only the software tests of the device +practice and thats it) to achieve constant winning.
You are stuck in a materialistic mindset. Therefore you want to calculate profit and loss like a business.
Precog is more than just winning at roulette. It is a much deeper journey into reality.
The biggest issues are greed and lack of discipline. Not if ir works or not. If you did the research and read enough history you will know this is real and you will stop doubting it.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 22, 10:52 AM 2020
You are stuck in a materialistic mindset. Therefore you want to calculate profit and loss like a business.
Precog is more than just winning at roulette. It is a much deeper journey into reality.
The biggest issues are greed and lack of discipline. Not if ir works or not. If you did the research and read enough history you will know this is real and you will stop doubting it.
Ok lets say its real, np.But my point is that its not near to a HG or winning method until now because nobody can control his intuition in that way until now so he can finally make profit from roulette (as i said except this device will work)
Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 22, 10:55 AM 2020
Ok lets say its real, np.But my point is that its not near to a HG or winning method until now because nobody can control his intuition in that way until now so he can finally make profit from roulette (as i said except this device will work)
Who told you nobody is making money from precog?
And which device?
Go on site 21 of this thread, steves mentioned it and posted the link too.
Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 22, 11:02 AM 2020
Go on site 21 of this thread, steves mentioned it and posted the link too.
Ok I thought you were referribgto Steve's computers.
So you believe in intuition but not precog? You still seem to have a materialistic mentality.
Steve will be using it to enhance his precog via this device, he is not using it as a substitute for precog.
If you are able to read your intuition and "control" it then precognition could be "simple" to use on roulette.
As long as you have this materialistic mindset precog will not work, with or without that device.
Look what i mean
Ok and have you heard of the sheep goat effect?
Your mindset plays a very big role in the success if precog.
If you have 10 skeptics doing the majority vote protocol it will not work.
The truth is somewhere between...our world is materialistic that is a fact and most of the people dealing with materialistic problems almost all their life (job, money,house etc etc) but spirituality is also a big part of peoples life (directly or indirectly).So materialism and spirituality is and was always a part of peoples lifes.Our problem is that spirituality is completly undeveloped to be honest, so we know few things about things like precog,intuition etc.....Btw i understand what are you saying that if someone tries to improve his intuition through this device but has already a critical and bad mindset about it, it wont work, thats true....If steve gives the OK i am completly open about it.
@CLF7, read this article to have a proper understanding of what GSR devices are intended for. It is not a magic device that does intuition for you on auto-pilot. In fact it has nothing to do directly with intuition.
link:://:.abilitymeters.com/gsr.htm
You could research billateral meters instead, which indicates which part of your brain hemisphere is active.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 22, 11:13 AM 2020So you believe in intuition but not precog?
Isn't intuition precog?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 22, 11:13 AM 2020You still seem to have a materialistic mentality.
Who exactly do you make yourself out to be? Have you renounced your possessions? If so, how are you communicating with us?
Quote from: pepper on Jun 22, 07:10 PM 2020
Isn't intuition precog?Who exactly do you make yourself out to be? Have you renounced your possessions? If so, how are you communicating with us?
It's called accepting reality for what it is. Materialism is flawed and out dated.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 22, 08:25 PM 2020
It's called accepting reality for what it is. Materialism is flawed and out dated.
Dr. Strange? Is that you?
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jun 22, 05:36 PM 2020
@CLF7, read this article to have a proper understanding of what GSR devices are intended for. It is not a magic device that does intuition for you on auto-pilot. In fact it has nothing to do directly with intuition.
link:://:.abilitymeters.com/gsr.htm
You could research billateral meters instead, which indicates which part of your brain hemisphere is active.
Ok thanks.... i Just trust steve about roulette and he has high expectation about this devise so i have too :P I am not into it to judge it, but what are you saying (criticism) is completly logic
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 22, 08:46 PM 2020
Dr. Strange? Is that you?
You realise at this point your posts just appear like spam?
Quote from: Crux on Jun 17, 10:09 AM 2020
Do you have any suggestions as of what to do to improve?
Hi Precogmiles, did you catch my first post?
Quote from: Crux on Jun 30, 12:31 AM 2020
Hi Precogmiles, did you catch my first post?
Hi crux,
The simple answer is practice. Just like any skill in life you have to practice.
Second is what and how to practice. I wasted more time than I should have but that's because nobody was there to guide me.
I would suggest the following for practice. Learn to stop the internal noise, learn to imagine, learn to dowse. Eat healthy, drink healthy.
Read through these forums and experiment. What works for one person might not work for someone else. Find your own way.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 30, 03:45 AM 2020
Find your own way.
Thanks Precogmiles.
I read in one of Dean Radin’s books that the average persons psychic precognition ability is 2% in force choice tests. I figure that if a person trains to be better they could raise that percentage to 3% beating the house edge. Who knows how high that percentage could go in the long run.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 19, 06:10 AM 2019
Did you try the Zener ESP app? That app has some test. I always do the precog training.
You have 25 rounds. Always 5 options. If you gues 6 or more right it's above luck. Just a 24% chance i was not due luck. The higher you get the more chance its not due luck but skill. It also give you a average. You can reset it anytime you want. Every mondag i reset. The first week i just got average result. Meaning just between 15% and 25% on weekly avg.
Now, many months later i get way beter results. Weekly avg is around 40%. So i get 10 out of 25 rounds right. There is a 80% chance its not due luck.
Its all there in the app. Try it. Do you're own reseach. Why trust others? You don't trust us, but you do trust other people you also never met. It's very easy to do this on your own.
I tried it thrice. My results were 7,6,7. All above average but still not that statiscally significant? I had some precog stuff happen when I was a kid so I believe there's some innate ability.
By the way, it takes a lot of concentration and time and I got sloppy at times doing it. My main method is to have a finger go over each card and feel if it's "right". Visualise, if you press it what would come out. You probably have to go through each card a few times to feel that one of it has an overwhelming probability and then you choose it.
It is very hard to get statistically significant results with precog. I suggest just keep going and improve. If it's working, results will continue to be positive. And if good results are just luck, you still had good results. Even if your system is bad, whatever you're doing to win, keep doing it (unless you can clearly see proper testing shows it doesnt work, and will eventually fail). But at least with precog, the science is more plausible than 1+1=3.
Quote from: Joe on Jun 18, 12:35 PM 2019
Sorry winforus, that's just psychobabble. And you're assuming I'm a "materialist", but what has that got to do with predicting the future? I can refuse to be a materialist but that doesn't imply I believe in precognition.
What you're advising is that I should believe in precognition even if there's no evidence for it? :o
Science isn't a belief system like you think, it's a way of rigorously testing ideas against reality. You can have any ideas you want but they have to past the reality test or they should get dumped.
Did I say it was? Of course it isn't, but it's the best method we have found so far. It's done a lot for us and will do a lot more if you'll let it. It seems to me like you're prejudiced against science. And I think you should get off your high horse; few here are interested in absolute truth, whatever that is. They just want to win at roulette. :)
There is a way science can prove it. It is quantum entanglement which is a phenomenon proven by scientists that changing a state in particle A will result a change in particle B regardless of distance. Meaning particle B could be several light years at the other end of the universe and it doesn't matter at all.
This shows that the universe is somehow connected to one another. Therefore, psychic powers might possibly exist if someone can tap onto this connection. In a true reality by nature, changing something in A shouldn't affect B billions of miles away, but it does in this reality. If you want to go further down the rabbit hole, we might possibly be living in a very advanced computer simulation like in the matrix. In a computer game, distance is an illusion and the computer knows exactly what is happening at every single point like shown in quantum entanglement. Elon Musk himself said that the chances we are not living in a simulation is one to a billion.
Furthermore supproting evidence that the universe could be a very advanced computer simulation is the infamous double slit experiment.
When scientists shoot a beam into two slits, it forms a wave interference pattern. When they shot a single photon at a time thinking it will show just two slits with no interference, but no, the single photon somehow still formed a wave interference pattern. That single photon was able to split itself to form the wave pattern when it couldn't be possible. Now this is when things get super weird, when the scientists tried to observe which photon was shot into which slit, the photon suddenly knew that it was being observed and the interference pattern doesn't show up.
It is very weird indeed that an observer can influence the state of reality. It brings to mind how a computer game generates its environment in open world games. Only when the player comes into a particular area does the trees, the cars and buildings are generated, but when the player leaves those cease to exist. But to the player playing it seems like a seamless enviroment.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 07:59 PM 2020...more plausible than 1+1=3.
Precog = I think this so that is that or, 1+1= whatever the f*ck I say.. LOL!
...and I don't really need to test this too much, you know, like a system, because it's precog, and it would take too long, and I got some good results so far over the last coupla thousand spins, so it's good enough for me and the other precogs. You system junkies should all drop roulette and go get a life that has some meaning above earning shitty dollars gambling your families future money away.
Yeah, I knew you were gonna reply with that shit.
Aw, come on now you're just being a troll.
Right.
Choose a weaker strain.
Quote from: RouletteKnight on Jun 30, 11:22 PM 2020
Furthermore supproting evidence that the universe could be a very advanced computer simulation is the infamous double slit experiment.
When scientists shoot a beam into two slits, it forms a wave interference pattern. When they shot a single photon at a time thinking it will show just two slits with no interference, but no, the single photon somehow still formed a wave interference pattern. That single photon was able to split itself to form the wave pattern when it couldn't be possible. Now this is when things get super weird, when the scientists tried to observe which photon was shot into which slit, the photon suddenly knew that it was being observed and the interference pattern doesn't show up.
It is very weird indeed that an observer can influence the state of reality. It brings to mind how a computer game generates its environment in open world games. Only when the player comes into a particular area does the trees, the cars and buildings are generated, but when the player leaves those cease to exist. But to the player playing it seems like a seamless enviroment.
I agree
It a humble robin can use quantum mechanics then who is to sayimg something related isn't happening with our physiology.
Found this channel on youtube, looks like an italian guy using precognition.
Awful video quality, but the session is interesting
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=dYoXg_z4wDc&t=152s
Quote from: Galabatov on Jul 03, 09:20 AM 2020
Found this channel on youtube, looks like an italian guy using precognition.
Awful video quality, but the session is interesting
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=dYoXg_z4wDc&t=152s
A video is not any proof at all.....you can gamble just with random bets and upload only the winning session.
Quote from: Galabatov on Jul 03, 09:20 AM 2020
Found this channel on youtube, looks like an italian guy using precognition.
Awful video quality, but the session is interesting
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=dYoXg_z4wDc&t=152s
It's good to see more people attempting precognition.
Quote from: Clf7 on Jul 03, 12:13 PM 2020
A video is not any proof at all.....you can gamble just with random bets and upload only the winning session.
Precognition has already been proved. Have you done any research?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 03, 12:23 PM 2020
Precognition has already been proved. Have you done any research?
Sometimes you are not better than the system Players precog,you believe to much in something and dont read properly, just to tell every time how good and perfect precognition is..... did i say that precognition is not real!? I made clear that a video is not proof for any system/method/anything else that it is beating the wheel.
Quote from: Clf7 on Jul 03, 12:34 PM 2020
Sometimes you are not better than the system Players precog,you believe to much in something and dont read properly, just to tell every time how good and perfect precognition is..... did i say that precognition is not real!? I made clear that a video is not proof for any system/method/anything else that it is beating the wheel.
lol but galabatov did not say the video was proof for precognition.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 03, 12:22 PM 2020
attempting precognition.
Nobody knows if it is random bets or precognition
Quote from: Clf7 on Jul 03, 02:07 PM 2020
Nobody knows if it is random bets or precognition
The video is called 'win real money with precognition'
I am assuming they are using precognition.
What about this video?
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 03, 02:12 PM 2020win real money with precognition
Precognition has never been proved, at least not publicly. There is highly conflicting evidence of whether or not people can influence rng. You probably just make more money for casinos by deluding people into believing they can influence/predict randomness, that is if people are stupid enough to bet without first proving beyond a statistical advantage that they have an edge.
You call people materialistic zombies while you are probably no better than that yourself. You're using a computer and internet connection after all, what exactly doesn't make you materialistic?
It seems kind of suspicious how you promote precog, but idk, maybe it does work? After all, it's not like you claim it to be easy. It's also weird that you promote physics to beat roulette, but whatever.
Quote from: pepper on Jul 04, 11:07 PM 2020
Precognition has never been proved, at least not publicly. There is highly conflicting evidence of whether or not people can influence rng. You probably just make more money for casinos by deluding people into believing they can influence/predict randomness, that is if people are stupid enough to bet without first proving beyond a statistical advantage that they have an edge.
You call people materialistic zombies while you are probably no better than that yourself. You're using a computer and internet connection after all, what exactly doesn't make you materialistic?
It seems kind of suspicious how you promote precog, but idk, maybe it does work? After all, it's not like you claim it to be easy. It's also weird that you promote physics to beat roulette, but whatever.
You do know that video is not mine, right?
If you believe precognition has not been proven then good for you.
Materialism in the philosophical sense.
I do not promote anything, I simply write about my experiences.
You have people on this and other forums selling systems that claim to win most sessions. Do you understand what that means? That means they are predicting the future of random events. First speak to them then come back and write your bs about precognition.
First of all, were probably like half way on the same page.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 05, 06:32 AM 2020If you believe precognition has not been proven then good for you.
It"s probably real. I know telekinesis is real, yet the worldwide view is mostly at a consensus that it hasn"t been proven. Telekinesis is not only real, but very easy to learn and do. Perhaps it was only easy for me, because I had the correct knowledge or maybe my connection to the supernatural realm, idk.
I am curious as to what the explanation of this is (the rejection by experts at large who are oblivious of spirits and psychic abilities). Maybe people, like the elite, are hiding genuine psychic knowledge and even promoting knowledge they claim to be psychic. I don"t even know if the elite exists and if so, to what extent, and would there be counter elitists (other powerful groups of people that fight them).
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 05, 06:32 AM 2020You have people on this and other forums selling systems that claim to win most sessions.
These are probably all scammers.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 05, 06:32 AM 2020First speak to them
No, this would be a waste of time and energy
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 05, 06:32 AM 2020write your bs about precognition
Huh? I thought we were on the same page here. I do believe it may be possible to gain an edge using precognition, but one would have to be exceptionally trained to do so. Most people may not even gain enough power to put a dent in the house edge. If you disagree with my term "power", you may put your own term in there; perhaps, it could be "predictive ability".
Pepper,
telekinesis, precognition, clairevoyance, psychometry... it's the same force, the same power acting. Application is different.
I know precognition is real, application to roulette is real and profitable, what I still don't understand, after several months of continous play, is how make it work consinstently at peak performance.
My training in meditation is sound, my relaxation skill is good, my "inner" sight is fine. But still can't say I master precognition, although I am very close.
For example, this morning after good meditation and relaxation an awful session followed. This afternoon, after a couple of beers, a glass of wine, bothered by the heat of the summer, I make a session with the smartphone on the couch and gained 120 units in few minutes with outstanding performance, playing minisectors of 3 numbers.
Precognition is real, is here for those who are devoted to it. Although I still can't master it each and every session, evidences are so clear that I would be an asshole sucker if I ignore them. And don't talk about luck, random, and the like. I've been playing roulette for the last fifteen years and I know what I'm saying.
Even a monkey can choose some numbers and win from time to time and it's not called precognition. Just lucky guess!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 05, 01:08 PM 2020
Even a monkey can choose some numbers and win from time to time and it's not called precognition. Just lucky guess!
That is why we test based on Winrate. If you are scoring 7 standard deviations above the mean then that is not luck anymore.
Quote from: pepper on Jul 05, 10:22 AM 2020
First of all, were probably like half way on the same page.It"s probably real. I know telekinesis is real, yet the worldwide view is mostly at a consensus that it hasn"t been proven. Telekinesis is not only real, but very easy to learn and do. Perhaps it was only easy for me, because I had the correct knowledge or maybe my connection to the supernatural realm, idk.
I am curious as to what the explanation of this is (the rejection by experts at large who are oblivious of spirits and psychic abilities). Maybe people, like the elite, are hiding genuine psychic knowledge and even promoting knowledge they claim to be psychic. I don"t even know if the elite exists and if so, to what extent, and would there be counter elitists (other powerful groups of people that fight them).These are probably all scammers.No, this would be a waste of time and energyHuh? I thought we were on the same page here. I do believe it may be possible to gain an edge using precognition, but one would have to be exceptionally trained to do so. Most people may not even gain enough power to put a dent in the house edge. If you disagree with my term "power", you may put your own term in there; perhaps, it could be "predictive ability".
All good theories but you need to put it into practice.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 05, 01:08 PM 2020
Even a monkey can choose some numbers and win from time to time and it's not called precognition. Just lucky guess!
I hope you are paid by someone to say this crap, otherwise you are definitely the asshole sucker of the day. Gold medal.
Nothing personal, there are plenty of suckers like you around.
This section is called "thinking outside the box" not "pissing outside the hole". So what the hell are you doing here?
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 05, 01:08 PM 2020
Even a monkey can choose some numbers and win from time to time and it's not called precognition. Just lucky guess!
You are in the wrong section, this place is not for system junkies. Stick to your losing systems and enjoy losing more money. Don't forget to learn from Gizmotron, he has some nice results on RS!
Quote from: Galabatov on Jul 05, 12:34 PM 2020
Pepper,
telekinesis, precognition, clairevoyance, psychometry... it's the same force, the same power acting. Application is different.
I know precognition is real, application to roulette is real and profitable, what I still don't understand, after several months of continous play, is how make it work consinstently at peak performance.
My training in meditation is sound, my relaxation skill is good, my "inner" sight is fine. But still can't say I master precognition, although I am very close.
For example, this morning after good meditation and relaxation an awful session followed. This afternoon, after a couple of beers, a glass of wine, bothered by the heat of the summer, I make a session with the smartphone on the couch and gained 120 units in few minutes with outstanding performance, playing minisectors of 3 numbers.
Precognition is real, is here for those who are devoted to it. Although I still can't master it each and every session, evidences are so clear that I would be an asshole sucker if I ignore them. And don't talk about luck, random, and the like. I've been playing roulette for the last fifteen years and I know what I'm saying.
Nice to see you are still practising. I completely understand what you mean in regard to the consistency. I also get the same thing sometimes my preparation is perfect but it fails to give me a win and other times I just guess and it works.
The best thing to do is to notice all of the variables that are important in the success and failure of a prediction. When does a win happen? Night, day, hungry, full, etc... Also notice the relationships between your predictions and when they actually occur. Sometimes what is happening outside of our minds has more of an impact than we think.
Once you eliminate all of the variables that are not important you will be in a better position to formulate new ideas.
Good luck :thumbsup:
@winforus
Good job on RS, slow methodical approach I like it :thumbsup: you even got into the top10 at one point.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 05, 02:39 PM 2020
@winforus
Good job on RS, slow methodical approach I like it :thumbsup: you even got into the top10 at one point.
Thank you :) Yes I have been only flat betting 250 the entire way, using the same method.
The biggest sticking points for me have been playing while fatigued, hungry, or just tilted from some losses - continuing to play when I know I shouldn't and spewing a lot of the bankroll away. That's what happened today. Those things are 50% of what makes you succeed - the other half is recognizing the numbers and not doubting yourself after you made your pick.
And I have re-read Nowun’s thread and what is interesting, is that I am actually doing exactly what he was in intermediate stages - seeing numbers by looking into blank space and playing the finals - unless very sure about a specific number. And mixing up 3 and 8s, 7s and 1s, etc I find that on 2s and 5s I can bet very confidently and hit around 90% of the time - and with 8s,7s, and 1s I can’t, the hit ratio is lower. And being out of sync - when the number comes after you switch to a new number. He is now at a very advanced stage and it’s definitely inspiring to hopefully one day getting there.
I also understand why he says that winning is boring - it involves doing things very methodically and playing short sessions, without the high of getting a “big hit†or chasing after a big loss. I have a hard time hitting 2 in a row in the very beginning and then not wanting to play more - but the optimal move would be to stop and continue after some time - since you hit your goal.
Also, imo precognition is definitely the future of AP, and not just for Roulette. And we are ahead of the game - knowing it while it’s so unknown and unheard of.
Winforus,
well done, thank you for your contribution. I also read and re-read nowun's stuff and helped me a lot. However, I dont' know why but I never played finals after seen or "felt" the number, always sectors or straight ups and for me it's good this way.
* * *
This guy, Psycho Roulette keeps updating his channel. Today an unimpressive session at first, but then he definitely makes the job done. I think the fact he's showing it publicily is already a good thing, even if he's far from being a monster in my view.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=w_5KuDIvaKc&t=6s
Write the numbers from 0 to 36 on 37 pieces of paper. Fold them each, put them in a bag and draw as many as you want. 3-4-5... Place bets on those numbers and you'll have better chances than voodoo (aka precognition) >:D >:D >:D
Quote from: winforus on Jul 05, 06:28 PM 2020Also, imo precognition is definitely the future of AP, and not just for Roulette. And we are ahead of the game - knowing it while it’s so unknown and unheard of.
100% agree, as you said precog can be used for other things beside roulette.
I can't believe that in other forums they don't even test systems anymore they just accept the results posted by the player.
This forum and the precog approach are light years ahead of the rest of these failed systems.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 06, 02:55 AM 2020
Write the numbers from 0 to 36 on 37 pieces of paper. Fold them each, put them in a bag and draw as many as you want. 3-4-5... Place bets on those numbers and you'll have better chances than voodoo (aka precognition) >:D >:D >:D
Precognition is still better than this
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=27304.0
You should tell the person who made that useless system to stop using progressions :lol: :lol:
Let's try a comparison between a strategy and precognition:
Fact
Strategy: odds of hitting a number at any spin - 1/37
Precognition: odds of hitting a number at any spin - 1/37
Fact
Strategy - payouts when you hit a number - 1/36
Precognition - payouts when you hit a number - 1/36
Fact
Strategy - in 38 spins there is 100% at least one number that appears 2 or more times.
Precognition - oopsie... nothing is 100% sure!
So... try the lottery! Better chances there for you!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 06, 04:04 AM 2020
Let's try a comparison between a strategy and precognition:
Fact
Strategy: odds of hitting a number at any spin - 1/37
Precognition: odds of hitting a number at any spin - above average
Fact
Strategy - payouts when you hit a number - 1/36
Precognition - payouts when you hit a number - 1/36
Fact
Strategy - in 38 spins there is 100% at least one number that appears 2 or more times. But you don't know which number.
Precognition - 100% chance your chosen numbers will appear more than average.
So... try the lottery! Better chances there for you!
Corrected for you since you have no understanding what precognition is.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 06, 04:44 AM 2020
Corrected for you since you have no understanding what precognition is.
Your corrections are irrelevant. What's the average? Who says where is the average?
Go to a casino, throw a bunch of chips on the table. If it wins, it's precognition. If not... you'll wait to be above the average :)
C'mon, really?
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 06, 04:50 AM 2020
Your corrections are irrelevant. What's the average? Who says where is the average?
Go to a casino, throw a bunch of chips on the table. If it wins, it's precognition. If not... you'll wait to be above the average :)
C'mon, really?
Go back to your progressions. I can't take you seriously.
:yawn:
Your opinions about precognition are old and you are not up to date with the research.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 06, 05:21 AM 2020
Go back to your progressions. I can't take you seriously.
:yawn:
Your opinions about precognition are old and you are not up to date with the research.
Your answer is really serious! True!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 06, 06:13 AM 2020
Your answer is really serious! True!
What are your opinions about progressions?
Quote from: Galabatov on Jul 06, 01:50 AM 2020
Winforus,
well done, thank you for your contribution. I also read and re-read nowun's stuff and helped me a lot. However, I dont' know why but I never played finals after seen or "felt" the number, always sectors or straight ups and for me it's good this way
That’s totally fine, as there is no one method for precogniton that fits all. It’s all about experimenting and finding what works best for you imo. I am very glad that we are getting more precog players on this forum.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 06, 06:19 AM 2020
What are your opinions about progressions?
As I stated earlier... IMO precognition is nothing but simple guessing!
Or - the best I can accept - see some numbers on the clear sky or some numbers somewhere on a newspaper, book or whatever else draws your attention and you go bet on those. There's nothing real in precognition.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION! Nothing more!
If someone comes and proves me - with real and logic arguments - that I'm wrong, I will publicly admit that I am wrong and I will not say anything related to precognition ever again!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 06, 06:36 AM 2020
As I stated earlier... IMO precognition is nothing but simple guessing!
Or - the best I can accept - see some numbers on the clear sky or some numbers somewhere on a newspaper, book or whatever else draws your attention and you go bet on those. There's nothing real in precognition.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION! Nothing more!
If someone comes and proves me - with real and logic arguments - that I'm wrong, I will publicly admit that I am wrong and I will not say anything related to precognition ever again!
Who are you again?
Why do you think we care what you believe.
Please never believe precog is real.
Your opinion is Out dated and old.
What sort of IQ level forms an opinion without doing the research? :lol:
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 06, 04:04 AM 2020
Let's try a comparison between a strategy and precognition:
Fact
Strategy: odds of hitting a number at any spin - 1/37
Precognition: odds of hitting a number at any spin - 1/37
Fact
Strategy - payouts when you hit a number - 1/36
Precognition - payouts when you hit a number - 1/36
Fact
Strategy - in 38 spins there is 100% at least one number that appears 2 or more times.
Precognition - oopsie... nothing is 100% sure!
So... try the lottery! Better chances there for you!
And then why do you believe in systems? Why use progression, when your odds are the same? Why did you support con man who was “reading randomness†but lost on RS and MPR?
You don’t understand the basics, and got 0 clue about what precognition is but got the audacity to come in here and spew this garbage. Total moron.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 06, 06:43 AM 2020
Who are you again?
Why do you think we care what you believe.
Please never believe precog is real.
Your opinion is Out dated and old.
What sort of IQ level forms an opinion without doing the research? :lol:
Precogmiles, it's always the same with these suckers.
They think their opinion is SOMETHING.
They think that others should care what they think.
They don't realize how ridiculous, limited, and poor they look.
The way they are is their own punishment.
OK... so..
Low IQ, limited, poor looking, ridiculous, moron.. and many more...
Still you can't come with something exact! I asked simple questions... what are the averages, who says where is the average?
You got nothing but lucky guesses!
Show me a chart! Show me how precognition works! You can't because you got nothing! Just some numbers out in the air that came into your heads while you were smoking God knows what (and I really don't want to know who's your dealer).
I will not say that is not interesting! But come up with something real! Not blurry dreams, fantasy numbers, talks... I want to see facts!
Until then... precognition is nothing more than BS and lucky guesses which (as I said before) even a monkey after a few days of training can do!
I want to believe that you're a bit smarter than a monkey...
Steeefan2014, are you ready to put the money where your mouth is?
I propose that we both will play on RS for equal number of spins, flat betting the entire way. Whoever has the better results, will win the bet. Money will be escrowed to 3rd party before the start.
I will use precognition and you can use any system that you like.
I will gladly take your money, it will be very satisfying.
Quote from: winforus on Jul 06, 07:18 AM 2020
Steeefan2014, are you ready to put the money where your mouth is?
I propose that we both will play on RS for equal number of spins, flat betting the entire way. Whoever has the better results, will win the bet. Money will be escrowed to 3rd party before the start.
I will use precognition and you can use any system that you like.
I will gladly take your money, it will be very satisfying.
Winforus... believe me when I say that I'm really making efforts to keep my mouth shut when I am talking to you because I am very close to that point when I'll say some things that this forum will not allow.
I will not accept your proposal for the simple fact that I don't trust you!
I just asked for something real! Nothing more!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 06, 07:32 AM 2020
Winforus... believe me when I say that I'm really making efforts to keep my mouth shut when I am talking to you because I am very close to that point when I'll say some things that this forum will not allow.
I will not accept your proposal for the simple fact that I don't trust you!
I just asked for something real! Nothing more!
Why do you need to trust me, to take on this proposal? Are you able to read?
We both will escrow the money to a trusted 3rd party, for example Steve. When we complete all of ours spins - they will verify it, and then they will transfer that money to the winner. All of the spins are logged in RS and are very easy to track.
This bet and proposal will show you, that precognition gives me a higher edge than any system that you try to play does.
If you believe that precognition is nothing more than random guessing, then this should be an easy bet for you to take, after all - you have systems and I am sure Gizmotron would be willing to coach you with Reading Randomness.
Either put the money where your mouth is, or gtfo - at this point you are just spamming this thread.
Quote from: Galabatov on Jul 06, 07:03 AM 2020
Precogmiles, it's always the same with these suckers.
They think their opinion is SOMETHING.
They think that others should care what they think.
They don't realize how ridiculous, limited, and poor they look.
The way they are is their own punishment.
I agree, it is their loss.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 06, 07:16 AM 2020
OK... so..
Low IQ, limited, poor looking, ridiculous, moron.. and many more...
Still you can't come with something exact! I asked simple questions... what are the averages, who says where is the average?
You got nothing but lucky guesses!
Show me a chart! Show me how precognition works! You can't because you got nothing! Just some numbers out in the air that came into your heads while you were smoking God knows what (and I really don't want to know who's your dealer).
I will not say that is not interesting! But come up with something real! Not blurry dreams, fantasy numbers, talks... I want to see facts!
Until then... precognition is nothing more than BS and lucky guesses which (as I said before) even a monkey after a few days of training can do!
I want to believe that you're a bit smarter than a monkey...
Nobody is forcing you to believe in precognition l. Your opinion is nothing new, you do understand this right?
You are not adding anything new or interesting to the discussion.
Go do the research and come back better informed.
Quote from: winforus on Jul 06, 08:45 AM 2020
Why do you need to trust me, to take on this proposal? Are you able to read?
We both will escrow the money to a trusted 3rd party, for example Steve. When we complete all of ours spins - they will verify it, and then they will transfer that money to the winner. All of the spins are logged in RS and are very easy to track.
This bet and proposal will show you, that precognition gives me a higher edge than any system that you try to play does.
If you believe that precognition is nothing more than random guessing, then this should be an easy bet for you to take, after all - you have systems and I am sure Gizmotron would be willing to coach you with Reading Randomness.
Either put the money where your mouth is, or gtfo - at this point you are just spamming this thread.
I didn't think he would take the offer.
I don't think he is serious at all, maybe he is just bored.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 06, 09:46 AM 2020
I didn't think he would take the offer.
I don't think he is serious at all, maybe he is just bored.
He is either a troll or one of the most dumbest/ignorant people that I seen on this forum. It's not just this thread - but across many threads.
Either way - the fact that he is not willing to take the bet, just shows that his talk is all empty and he doesn't even believe in the BS that he is saying.
Quote from: winforus on Jul 05, 06:28 PM 2020
And I have re-read Nowun’s thread and what is interesting, is that I am actually doing exactly what he was in intermediate stages - seeing numbers by looking into blank space and playing the finals - unless very sure about a specific number. And mixing up 3 and 8s, 7s and 1s, etc I find that on 2s and 5s I can bet very confidently and hit around 90% of the time - and with 8s,7s, and 1s I can’t, the hit ratio is lower. And being out of sync - when the number comes after you switch to a new number. He is now at a very advanced stage and it’s definitely inspiring to hopefully one day getting there.
I also understand why he says that winning is boring - it involves doing things very methodically and playing short sessions, without the high of getting a “big hit†or chasing after a big loss. I have a hard time hitting 2 in a row in the very beginning and then not wanting to play more - but the optimal move would be to stop and continue after some time - since you hit your goal.
Also, imo precognition is definitely the future of AP, and not just for Roulette. And we are ahead of the game - knowing it while it’s so unknown and unheard of.
Oh brother.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jul 06, 03:21 AM 2020
100% agree, as you said precog can be used for other things beside roulette.
I can't believe that in other forums they don't even test systems anymore they just accept the results posted by the player.
This forum and the precog approach are light years ahead of the rest of these failed systems.
Okie Dokie
Quote from: Galabatov on Jul 05, 12:34 PM 2020I've been playing roulette for the last fifteen years and I know what I'm saying
No offense, but this is nothing to brag about. In fact it demonstrates that you are a loser, unless you have been playing for free (simulations) or unless you have an edge over the casino.
Quote from: Moxy on Jul 06, 10:32 PM 2020Oh brother.
U repeater. U already said that on 6/17/2020 at 12:42pm (eastern time)
Quote from: Moxy on Jul 06, 10:38 PM 2020Okie Dokie
Reruns, REALLY?! Is this sum kinda sick joke?
U typed that on ur computer or laptop on 6/18/2020 at 3:42pm (eastern time)
Quote from: pepper on Jul 08, 09:49 AM 2020
Reruns, REALLY?! Is this sum kinda sick joke?
U typed that on ur computer or laptop on 6/18/2020 at 3:42pm (eastern time)
That's very nice detective work. You see the issue is... I was trying to... Someone must've...
I have no life. There, you happy now.
(link:s://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/murderer-seal-print-grunge-texture-red-vector-rubber-title-unclean-text-placed-double-parallel-lines-scratched-122741822.jpg)
I thought I would pay homeage to Ingo swann and make him first place on MPR :thumbsup:
Good work. You dont need to convince me. It just takes time, persistence and the right mindset.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 04, 10:11 PM 2020It wont work. If you've had short-term success, that's all it is.
I'm still very skeptical about precognition for roulette. I mean wouldn't playing card games for money/gambling be like a thousand times easier because the information is already there? So, precognition could be real, but it seems like all the self-claimed “precogers†here have skipped doing something that's a thousand times easier to do the nearly impossible of gaining an edge through "precognition.â€
Taotie, that may be the case, as I've said before. But what has chance at working:
a. 1+1=42, or
b. An approach that has reasonable logic, but is comparatively untested, and has some promising results.
Taotie, you know there's a lot about our reality we dont know. But there's nothing to substantiate 1+1=42.
Quote from: pepper on Aug 05, 09:58 AM 2020
I'm still very skeptical about precognition for roulette. I mean wouldn't playing card games for money/gambling be like a thousand times easier because the information is already there? So, precognition could be real, but it seems like all the self-claimed “precogers†here have skipped doing something that's a thousand times easier to do the nearly impossible of gaining an edge through "precognition.â€
To be sure, there's a lot of skippin' going on around here.
Quote from: Taotie on Aug 06, 06:18 AM 2020
To be sure, there's a lot of skippin' going on around here.
you can vaffanculo
Oh yeah baby, you want to meet up on Skype?
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 06, 06:20 AM 2020
you can vaffanculo
I had to google that.
This is your first warning Notto.
Big words confuse and upset me.
Thin ice..
Quote from: Steve on Aug 06, 07:27 AM 2020
I had to google that.
This is your first warning Notto.
Big words confuse and upset me.
Thin ice..
Saint Savior Steve; who threw the first stone? Like he did many moons ago. He throws the first rude comment, one comes back and you start, he's only having a laugh, but ---t like you dont let go.
I wasn't talking about throwing stones. I was just upset because you used a big word I didn't know the meaning of.
Quote from: precogmiles on Aug 04, 11:56 AM 2020
I thought I would pay homeage to Ingo swann and make him first place on MPR :thumbsup:
Nice win rate :thumbsup:
I'm curious, have you ever tried to achieve the same with real money? Like depositing $500 and running it up to 10K in a couple hundred spins?
Quote from: ati on Aug 09, 05:26 PM 2020
Nice win rate :thumbsup:
I'm curious, have you ever tried to achieve the same with real money? Like depositing $500 and running it up to 10K in a couple hundred spins?
Thanks, yes but I only play for small units. For me it is all about accuracy.
I am still learning and trying to find the optimal method.
Gambling is not my main motive. I want to perfect this ability and be able to use it in many different ways.
link:s://youtu.be/B-F319b5SuQ
Check this video at 8:23, I think it perfectly applies here.
Congrats precogmiles! Amazing stuff.
Quote from: precogmiles on Aug 11, 05:05 AM 2020I want to perfect this ability and be able to use it in many different ways.
Yeah, like you could use it to predict when you need to take a shit ages before you even need to take a shit.
Changed from 5 numbers to 3. Now down to 1 number bets. Less risk, more profit.
Currently I'am first place on MPR and Roulette simulator.
Ingoswann on MPR has a Winrate of 1.43
I have over over 2 million units on Roulette simulator, which is the same amount as all of the other players units combined. You can be lucky and get 1 million but anything above 2 million means you have a genuine edge.
Does this prove anything? Yes and no.
It shows I definitely have an edge, but it also shows that it is not 100% safe.
I have been studying how variance effects precognition. Simple things like how focused or how tired you are affect your performance and the swing of variance. Using a progression can help when you have a genuine edge.
The only way to make precognition an ultimate solution is to combine it with other precogers. 3 or 5 players minimum.
Does this mean you should go out and use precognition? No! Too many people delude themselves into thinking they have precog abilities but are in fact just riding the positive wave of variance and will eventually lose due to variance.
You should view precognition as a journey to understanding the deeper layers of reality not as a tool to make a quick million.
Everything is easy when you play for funny money ::)
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Oct 16, 08:20 AM 2020
Everything is easy when you play for funny money ::)
Jealousy is a disease.
In fact it makes no difference if it is real or simulation, rng or live dealer.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 16, 09:49 AM 2020
Jealousy is a disease.
In fact it makes no difference if it is real or simulation, rng or live dealer.
Place real money bet then you find that you lose money. See how much of this fake 2million units you make real money. Try it.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 16, 09:49 AM 2020
Jealousy is a disease.
In fact it makes no difference if it is real or simulation, rng or live dealer.
No one with a real money account would allow a $1,000,000 plus drawdown. That's just reckless gambling.
A continuous upward graph with no losses is what is ideal.
The jealousy is expected I guess.
You have clowns who do not have an edge but use repeaters with a progression trying to belittle what I have achieved on roulette simulator. Yet completely forgot about the fact I have achieved similar results by just flat betting using precognition.
And I have achieved a 1.43 winrate on MPR and I am first place on there. Why don't these system junkies do the same if it is so easy?
lol it is hilarious. System junkies can't achieve anything close to a 2 million bankroll on roulette simulator and complain that MPR is buggy so they can't use their pathetic repeaters methods.
:lol: :lol: :lol: system junkies will never learn. You have another two losers on another forum bitching and crying about my results.
When I get my roulette simulator account up to 5 million units, what will they be saying then? They are so desperate in their jealousy it is very sad to watch. But then again if you have spent the last 20 years of your life trying to make 1+1=3 I can understand why they are so jealous and bitter.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 11:54 AM 2020
The jealousy is expected I guess.
You have clowns who do not have an edge but use repeaters with a progression trying to belittle what I have achieved on roulette simulator. Yet completely forgot about the fact I have achieved similar results by just flat betting using precognition.
And I have achieved a 1.43 winrate on MPR and I am first place on there. Why don't these system junkies do the same if it is so easy?
lol it is hilarious. System junkies can't achieve anything close to a 2 million bankroll on roulette simulator and complain that MPR is buggy so they can't use their pathetic repeaters methods.
:lol: :lol: :lol: system junkies will never learn. You have another two losers on another forum bitching and crying about my results.
When I get my roulette simulator account up to 5 million units, what will they be saying then? They are so desperate in their jealousy it is very sad to watch. But then again if you have spent the last 20 years of your life trying to make 1+1=3 I can understand why they are so jealous and bitter.
Precogman, I am not jealous nor bitter.
Make a deposit at any online casino, place real bets with your precog skills. See of you can win and withdraw your profits. Try it and post on here your real money success story. I am rooting for you. 👍
One more thing, don't waste your time and life with rsim or mpr proof. Nobody cares.
Learn from lessons about forums.
Nobody cares when Turbo was rsim champ. Nobody cares when you are the current rsim and mpr champ.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 11:54 AM 2020
The jealousy is expected I guess.
You have clowns who do not have an edge but use repeaters with a progression trying to belittle what I have achieved on roulette simulator. Yet completely forgot about the fact I have achieved similar results by just flat betting using precognition.
And I have achieved a 1.43 winrate on MPR and I am first place on there. Why don't these system junkies do the same if it is so easy?
lol it is hilarious. System junkies can't achieve anything close to a 2 million bankroll on roulette simulator and complain that MPR is buggy so they can't use their pathetic repeaters methods.
:lol: :lol: :lol: system junkies will never learn. You have another two losers on another forum bitching and crying about my results.
When I get my roulette simulator account up to 5 million units, what will they be saying then? They are so desperate in their jealousy it is very sad to watch. But then again if you have spent the last 20 years of your life trying to make 1+1=3 I can understand why they are so jealous and bitter.
I have no jealousy, I am always glad if someone betters themselves in any way possible. However don't brag about having precognitive insight when you couldn't see a million dollar loss coming your way. if you were playing with real money, I don't care how rich you are when you lose 96% of your bankroll that's just gambling. Let us know when you are mature enough to post something relevant rather than the " I'll show them all !" childish attitude.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 12:05 PM 2020
Precogman, I am not jealous nor bitter.
Make a deposit at any online casino, place real bets with your precog skills. See of you can win and withdraw your profits. Try it and post on here your real money success story. I am rooting for you. 👍
One more thing, don't waste your time and life with rsim or mpr. Nobody cares.
Thank you for rooting for me. If I do as you suggest, how do I prove it? Make a video? Pictures?
If nobody cares about rsim why have you used it in the past? I use it as a training method for my precog not as evidence for precog.
Any one can claim anything. If system junkies want to prove their methods work then demonstrate it on an open public platform like roulette simulator or MPR.
Quote from: Nimo on Oct 17, 12:10 PM 2020
I have no jealousy, I am always glad if someone betters themselves in any way possible. However don't brag about having precognitive insight when you couldn't see a million dollar loss coming your way. if you were playing with real money, I don't care how rich you are when you lose 96% of your bankroll that's just gambling. Let us know when you are mature enough to post something relevant rather than the " I'll show them all !" childish attitude.
If you are glad then why is the only thing you mentioned the drawdown? That is how jealousy manifests itself.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 12:20 PM 2020
Thank you for rooting for me. If I do as you suggest, how do I prove it? Make a video? Pictures?
If nobody cares about rsim why have you used it in the past? I use it as a training method for my precog not as evidence for precog.
Any one can claim anything. If system junkies want to prove their methods work then demonstrate it on an open public platform like roulette simulator or MPR.
I can't speak for others but a pic of deposit and withdrawal is good for me.
Make sure you're confident to win. Don't want you to feel pressure then lose your money.
I want you to win. 💸💸💸
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 12:30 PM 2020
If you are glad then why is the only thing you mentioned the drawdown? That is how jealousy manifests itself.
It's a reflection of your own actions. You put down others constantly because they don't align with your way of thinking The idea of forums was to encourage sharing growth, encouragement and success as a group. It has become a farce. It's one of the reasons I stopped posting, others feel the same way. The current system methods posted in private among some people would blow your mind in creativity and success, These aren't the classic martingale systems anymore. You are already open minded and thinking outside the box with pre recognition, keep an open mind with other methods too,
Quote from: Nimo on Oct 17, 02:18 PM 2020
The current system methods posted in private among some people would blow your mind in creativity and success,
Agree 100%. 👍
I stopped posting about systems betting due to the extreme poor attitude on forum.
I keep my posts mainly on math and science.
Quote from: Nimo on Oct 17, 02:18 PM 2020
It's a reflection of your own actions. You put down others constantly because they don't align with your way of thinking The idea of forums was to encourage sharing growth, encouragement and success as a group. It has become a farce. It's one of the reasons I stopped posting, others feel the same way. The current system methods posted in private among some people would blow your mind in creativity and success, These aren't the classic martingale systems anymore. You are already open minded and thinking outside the box with pre recognition, keep an open mind with other methods too,
Ok, to be honest I don't really care about roulette. I use roulette as a way to learn precognition.
I wouldn't call telling someone 1+1=3 is wrong a "put down", I am trying to help. But I guess everyone is different.
Have any systems been shown to win over a million spins, without missed spins? What is their Winrate like?
There are at least 3 other large english speaking roulette forums. They all talk about systems positively and actively encourage systems, some forums still treat martingale like the holy grail. The non-english speaking forums are again obsessed with systems. Yet you claim that this forum, is a farce? Why? because it is the only forum which attempts to help naive new players not fall for scammers peddling their flawed systems? I am confused why anyone would be against helping others not fall for the same trash that has been tried and tested for the last 20 years.
The only thing system players need to do is demonstrate their winning system. Just 1 winning system among the hundreds invented on these forums over the years.
Where are all these gurus? Where is viddis? Priyanka? Dyksexlic? John legend? (I hope they are all alive and well, considering the current situation)
We just need 1 winning method to be demonstrated on MPR or roulette simulator. Is that too much to ask for?
I will shut up and admit I was wrong about systems if this is done.
Until then, as I said before I don't really care about systems, I won't be playing them since I have something that works for me.
Good luck.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 12:44 PM 2020
I can't speak for others but a pic of deposit and withdrawal is good for me.
Make sure you're confident to win. Don't want you to feel pressure then lose your money.
I want you to win. 💸💸💸
I think people would still complain about just a picture. I think the only way to demonstrate it is a live stream of a game. But then again I doubt anything would convince most people. They might claim even the live stream is fake.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 04:20 PM 2020
Ok, to be honest I don't really care about roulette. I use roulette as a way to learn precognition.
I wouldn't call telling someone 1+1=3 is wrong a "put down", I am trying to help. But I guess everyone is different.
Have any systems been shown to win over a million spins, without missed spins? What is their Winrate like?
There are at least 3 other large english speaking roulette forums. They all talk about systems positively and actively encourage systems, some forums still treat martingale like the holy grail. The non-english speaking forums are again obsessed with systems. Yet you claim that this forum, is a farce? Why? because it is the only forum which attempts to help naive new players not fall for scammers peddling their flawed systems? I am confused why anyone would be against helping others not fall for the same trash that has been tried and tested for the last 20 years.
The only thing system players need to do is demonstrate their winning system. Just 1 winning system among the hundreds invented on these forums over the years.
Where are all these gurus? Where is viddis? Priyanka? Dyksexlic? John legend? (I hope they are all alive and well, considering the current situation)
We just need 1 winning method to be demonstrated on MPR or roulette simulator. Is that too much to ask for?
I will shut up and admit I was wrong about systems if this is done.
Until then, as I said before I don't really care about systems, I won't be playing them since I have something that works for me.
Good luck.
It takes time and effort to play on say rsim to climb to the top.
Why would anyone do that just to prove to some stranger their winning systems bet?
A simpler way is to code rx then post the graph. Provided the person knows how to code. Else he has to reveal his system to a coder.
Again why would anyone do that?
Just to convince some farking dumbfark stranger?
Keep waiting and shout your shit naysaying on forum. Who cares.
The person who found his winning system is purely for his own consumption. Not to convince others or for sale. There is no need for validation from Internet strangers. No care if others don't believe.
People with real winning systems with positive edge care only one thing. Make real money. Gambling forum is about
making money. Period. The point is the absolute atrocious attitude on forums is a major turn off for people like me who has made major breakthroughs from sharing anything more. Ofc I recognise all those dumbfark posters on forums.
The farking owner of this forum is one such person. So. Don't forget there's that Spanish guy lurking in the shadows.
Do I ever want to benefit them ever?
No
Have I shared in private?
Yes, completely.
I believe this is the same with many other members on here. Its easy to recognise them.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 04:31 PM 2020
I think people would still complain about just a picture. I think the only way to demonstrate it is a live stream of a game. But then again I doubt anything would convince most people. They might claim even the live stream is fake.
Why should anyone complain?
If precognition skill works for you I am happy. I cheer you on.
If anyone don't believe, who cares.
Forums should be a place for
GAMBLERS to discuss ideas what works and what don't.
So that we don't continue to lose real money and waste our precious time and life with the trash on forums that don't work. Nonsense coding that don't work because they ignore the math. That's stupidity and lack of education. Steve is right.
Nobody has to provide prove of anything. This call for proof is bullshit.
Personally, today I believe in math and science. Nothing else.
Joe made this comment about anomaly that naturally and spontaneously occuring with random spins.
He is spot on with his comment. It's the only true positive edge that wins itlr.
FLATBETNobody will ever share this. Nobody.
There is no such nonsensical holy grail bet that wins 100% every session.
Gamblers who claim this has gone nuts. Pure gambler's fantasy.
Positive edge systems betting gather net profits itlr naturally due to the edge. The more you play the more you win. With streaks of losses too.
Which stupid uneducated person says positive systems bet don't lose?
There is no luck or discipline or money management or trying to win that will change anything. All these are nonsense bs talk.
There is no winning or losing systems bet. The math of roulette tells us that. Every bet the gambler pays 2.7% house edge tax itlr.
There is no negative systems bet because these are positive systems bet in reverse.
Get the math basics correct.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 09:32 PM 2020
There is no such nonsensical holy grail bet that wins 100% every session.
Gamblers who claim this has gone nuts. Pure gambler's fantasy.
Positive edge systems betting gather net profits itlr naturally due to the edge. The more you play the more you win. With streaks of losses too.
Which stupid uneducated person says positive systems bet don't lose?
There is no luck or discipline or money management or trying to win that will change anything. All these are nonsense bs talk.
There is no winning or losing systems bet. The math of roulette tells us that. Every bet the gambler pays 2.7% house edge tax itlr.
There is no negative systems bet because these are positive systems bet in reverse.
Get the math basics correct.
I do not agree with you.
because you say you have a winning bet and there is no safe bet to win, is that not contradicted?
It has been a long time since I posted, since I signed up, I was busy with my stuff.
I want to tell you and assure you that there is a safe bet to win 100% each session.
I have created an algorithm that can always win at roulette!
I can win from single to full bets!
Everyone has their necessary funds to ensure a profit on each session, but they are all winners!
But the last time I wrote something, nobody paid attention to me and they spoke in an unpleasant way towards me for no reason, so I decided not to publish more.
I have decided to post again, because I do not agree with you, nothing more.
Hector.
Quote from: game over on Oct 17, 09:56 PM 2020
I do not agree with you.
because you say you have a winning bet and there is no safe bet to win, is that not contradicted?
Is there a need for 100% win every betting session to profit itlr?
Do the casino who has the house edge win every betting session to rake in billions?
Are you aware that casinos lose hundreds of millions due to negative variance losing streak ?
Do you know that the exposure to risk of ruin is not measured by this 100% no lose bet?
The rate of return is not measured by 100% no lose bet?
This is real math. Not bs.
Your expectation is flawed.
Quote from: game over on Oct 17, 09:56 PM 2020
I want to tell you and assure you that there is a safe bet to win 100% each session.
I have created an algorithm that can always win at roulette!
I can win from single to full bets!
Everyone has their necessary funds to ensure a profit on each session, but they are all winners!
Are you aware that online casinos can easily make your precious 100% win Algo lose?
Are you aware if play your 100% win Algo manually in b&m manual table the casino can still make you lose?
I spot bs from far. Stop making bs post with no real money experience.
Even if you created a positive edge proven by million spins rx code, it has no guarantee that you make real money in real casino.
That's the hard truth.
The real enemy is the
CASINO.
So stop this bs boasting.
Spend time think how to make real money.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 08:54 PM 2020There is no need for validation from Internet strangers. No care if others don't believe.
In principle I agree, but how can anyone validate any of these claims if nobody proves anything?
Just look at 'game over'/hector he has just made a big claim. If he was to get to first place on MPR and roulette simulator plus show rx graphs, then that would prove a lot. As it stands he is just another person in a long line of people claiming the holy grail.
Cht If you don't believe evidence is worthwhile then that means forums are useless. If every claim is to be accepted without evidence this place will turn into a zoo.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 09:13 PM 2020Forums should be a place for GAMBLERS to discuss ideas what works and what don't.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 09:13 PM 2020Nobody has to provide prove of anything. This call for proof is bullshit.
How do you know what works without proof?
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 10:21 PM 2020
Cht If you don't believe evidence is worthwhile then that means forums are useless. If every claim is to be accepted without evidence this place will turn into a zoo.
Depends on the member's mindset.
I take forum for sharing creative ideas, learn technical stuff like coding and industry matters.
About guru claims, I do learn what don't work after wasting years testing trash. I paid the price to get educated and experience.
This forum is indeed the gambler's zoo. You learn about what don't work. That's the trick. My thread(I keep advertising) explains the math in layman terms to farking hardcore gambler's.
The math Boyz wrote that long time ago. Hardcore gambler refuse to believe. That's my fault, no one to blame.
One more very important point,
Even if someone provide proof of 100% positive edge bet, there's no guarantee he can win in real casino.
Taking real cash from casino is a different level of challenge.To all those 100% win bullshit gurus, why have you not made your millions yet? Why have you not played in Vegas, Macau?
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 10:26 PM 2020
How do you know what works without proof?
Do the dirty work, test it.
If you are smarter, get educated with the math. No point testing if the design ignores the math.
Read my thread. 😎
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 09:13 PM 2020Joe made this comment about anomaly that naturally and spontaneously occuring with random spins.
Can you give me the post link please?
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 10:40 PM 2020
Can you give me the post link please?
He made that comment on roulettelife forum. Check his recent posts. The most important math based post on forums.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 10:45 PM 2020
He made that comment on roulettelife forum. Check his recent posts. The most important math based post on forums.
Is it the one taking about..Turnaround' by a guy named Ian Harmer.?
Some excerpts from his posts that he repeated.
Without collecting physical parameters it's no better than betting on the layout unless you find some anomaly which indicates bias.
UNLESS the past spins reveal some anomaly or bias.
Fact is, outcomes only conform to stats in the long term, and even then the stats don't tell you the order of individual outcomes, so you can't get an edge that way unless they indicate some anomaly or bias.
Anomaly and/or bias is the only way.
The rest is bs. Use your brain if you still have one.
"And betting on the outside or any group on the layout isn't effective; you need to place bets only on the numbers which you have identified as having an edge"
Read my posts how I did it. Read the exact similarity. Based on math😊
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 11:22 PM 2020
Some excerpts from his posts that he repeated.
Without collecting physical parameters it's no better than betting on the layout unless you find some anomaly which indicates bias.
UNLESS the past spins reveal some anomaly or bias.
Fact is, outcomes only conform to stats in the long term, and even then the stats don't tell you the order of individual outcomes, so you can't get an edge that way unless they indicate some anomaly or bias.
Anomaly and/or bias is the only way.
The rest is bs. Use your brain if you still have one.
If spins are independent how can you have an anomaly?
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 17, 11:29 PM 2020
If spins are independent how can you have an anomaly?
You got a point, Tbh I don't know the answer.
Perhaps the observed anomaly indicates bias, idk? 🤔
Precogmiles, congrats. Very impressive results, and very inspiring. I have came to the same conclusion regarding precogniton - it’s greatest value is learning about reality and yourself.
It’s funny how before you started showing the results on mpr and rs - all of those system junkies demanded it. Now they are saying it’s not enough, and likely won’t change. The greatest value of you showing this proof is not to system junkies but to people who are on the border, which this might serve as an invitation to explore this.
Don’t expect them to give up the systems. It would be a huge hit to their ego, and addiction. It’s a huge illusion, based on unexamined beliefs, which is hard to crack.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 17, 11:53 PM 2020The greatest value of you showing this proof is not to system junkies but to people who are on the border, which this might serve as an invitation to explore this.
My thoughts precisely, well done precogmiles. Maybe this is not the place to do it but any update on methods or techniques on a suitable thread would be appreciated. I’m sure there are lots like me who have used the techniques on threads like the guide and info one and are getting results on an inconsistent basis, a slight adjustment might make a big difference.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 17, 11:53 PM 2020
Precogmiles, congrats. Very impressive results, and very inspiring. I have came to the same conclusion regarding precogniton - it’s greatest value is learning about reality and yourself.
It’s funny how before you started showing the results on mpr and rs - all of those system junkies demanded it. Now they are saying it’s not enough, and likely won’t change. The greatest value of you showing this proof is not to system junkies but to people who are on the border, which this might serve as an invitation to explore this.
Don’t expect them to give up the systems. It would be a huge hit to their ego, and addiction. It’s a huge illusion, based on unexamined beliefs, which is hard to crack.
Thanks winforus. Yes it is hilarious how jealous they have become, instead of it opening their minds to new possibilities.
Quote from: Klausy on Oct 18, 02:50 AM 2020
My thoughts precisely, well done precogmiles. Maybe this is not the place to do it but any update on methods or techniques on a suitable thread would be appreciated. I’m sure there are lots like me who have used the techniques on threads like the guide and info one and are getting results on an inconsistent basis, a slight adjustment might make a big difference.
Thanks klausy, I have seen your games on RS and while the results maybe inconsistent you are definitely doing the right thing, which is practice. Practice is the most important thing.
My advice for now would be to continue practising. I would also suggest you practice on other games/tests, for example like zener cards, or multiple choice tests. They have a good selection of tests at psiresearch, Google it.
Keep practising. I have just started a new research project investigating variance. I will share my findings soon, along with my regular update.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 11:35 PM 2020
You got a point, Tbh I don't know the answer.
Perhaps the observed anomaly indicates bias, idk? 🤔
At least you are being honest about. I have looked at your thread again and it is still very confusing. If you have an edge can you explain clearly what your edge is?
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 18, 05:40 AM 2020
At least you are being honest about. I have looked at your thread again and it is still very confusing. If you have an edge can you explain clearly what your edge is?
My thread is about the math of roulette interpreted and discussed in layman terms so that anyone can easily understand. This way people are full aware and educated about the basic math. Learn the math and physics from the videos I posted, that's my advice.
My thread is
NOT about my edge. I have written many times yet.
I prefer to stop posting about my edge. Don't serve any purpose for ME.
So stop asking or talking about it.
I prefer to discuss other people's edge. 😎
Quote from: cht on Oct 18, 06:15 AM 2020
My thread is about the math of roulette interpreted and discussed in layman terms so that anyone can easily understand. This way people are full aware and educated about the basic math. Learn the math and physics from the videos I posted, that's my advice.
My thread is NOT about my edge. I have written many times yet.
I prefer to stop posting about my edge. Don't serve any purpose for ME.
So stop asking or talking about it.
I prefer to discuss other people's edge. 😎
Ok then where can I find the post where you explain your edge?
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 18, 05:38 AM 2020Thanks klausy, I have seen your games on RS and while the results maybe inconsistent you are definitely doing the right thing, which is practice. Practice is the most important thing.
My advice for now would be to continue practising. I would also suggest you practice on other games/tests, for example like zener cards, or multiple choice tests. They have a good selection of tests at psiresearch, Google it.
RS is a great practice resource. I diligently built up a 50k balance off small bets only to blow it all on a few big game sessions. There’s an important lesson to learn on discipline, keep to what is working and don’t chase losses!
I started out on Zener cards (very marginal success - 21.25% off of 3350 draws) but got bored quite easily after 10 mins or so. Will check out psiresearch, thanks.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 18, 06:31 AM 2020
Ok then where can I find the post where you explain your edge?
I don't like to post about my edge.
I prefer to post about the
2LoTD that random spin outcomes must conform to. It's science. Not bs.
I posted science and math videos. Yet people laugh and mock at it. Real science. >:D
This is the natural and spontaneous occurring
anomaly with random spins.
The big question in everyone's mind is WTF is this
2LoTD in random spins?
That's the million dollar question.
You got to have brains to figure this out. It's farking simple if you truly understand this law. Engineering, physics and especially math major in stats undergrads have great advantage on this.
Watch the video, open your eyes listen carefully. It's right there in those videos specially selected to present the real physics math.
Quote from: cht on Oct 18, 11:04 AM 2020
I don't like to post about my edge.
I prefer to post about the 2LoTD that random spin outcomes must conform to. It's science. Not bs.
I posted science and math videos. Yet people laugh and mock at it. Real science. >:D
This is the natural and spontaneous occurring anomaly with random spins.
The big question in everyone's mind is WTF is this 2LoTD in random spins?
That's the million dollar question.
You got to have brains to figure this out. It's farking simple if you truly understand this law. Engineering, physics and especially math major in stats undergrads have great advantage on this.
Watch the video, open your eyes listen carefully. It's right there in those videos specially selected to present the real physics math.
Okie dokie
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 11:22 PM 2020Without collecting physical parameters it's no better than betting on the layout unless you find some anomaly which indicates bias.
I wasn't talking about any 'anomaly' which exists for every wheel (or however the numbers are generated), I was talking about AP. The 'Law of the Third', or any other statistical pattern isn't an anomaly because they are all predicted by the maths, the binomial distribution, geometric distribution, etc, and don't forget that all those distributions which pertain to roulette outcomes assume independent trials where the probability doesn't change between spins.
A true anomaly will only exist for certain wheels and/or under certain circumstances. If you think you can walk up to any wheel in any casino and expect to find this 'anomaly', then you don't understand the meaning of the word.
Anomaly : something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.That doesn't mean 'rare' statistical events which are outside 3 standard deviations, because they are normal too and part of randomness.
Since I am unwilling to discuss this 2LoTD entropy anomaly in random roulette outcomes, any discussion on this topic is meaningless.
I was merely responding to precogman's query. Case close.
Cht, you say that winning on RS and MPR is not enough, and that you want to see real money winnings.
And where is your proof? There is none. Like I said, when Gizmotron stops posting, you take his place. You write a lot of scribbles, show 0 proof and are not willing to to discuss where your edge comes from.
If you want to get attention and feel like a guru, do it in the systems section. This is a precogniton thread.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 19, 05:51 AM 2020
Cht, you say that winning on RS and MPR is not enough, and that you want to see real money winnings.
And where is your proof? There is none. Like I said, when Gizmotron stops posting, you take his place. You write a lot of scribbles, show 0 proof and are not willing to to discuss where your edge comes from.
If you want to get attention and feel like a guru, do it in the systems section. This is a precogniton thread.
I did not ask for real money proof from precogman.
I ask him to try win real money with his precog skills.
You have deliberately misinterpreted my post.
I repeat, "
I will not discuss my positive edge bet".
It serves no purpose for me.
I only discuss the math of roulette. Period.
I repeat, "
I am not a roulette guru."
This is the stupidest thing to do on forum.
I am now properly educated about the math of roulette.
I can point out your post that you make mistakes in your understanding of the math. :)
Quote from: winforus on Oct 19, 05:51 AM 2020
And where is your proof? There is none.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Pay me usd$100 for every one session played.
You get to see the 100 spins graph.
Are you up to it?
Quote from: cht on Oct 19, 05:59 AM 2020
I did not ask for real money proof from precogman.
I ask him to try win real money with his precog skills.
You have deliberately misinterpreted my post.
I repeat, "I will not discuss my positive edge bet".
It serves no purpose for me.
I only discuss the math of roulette. Period.
I repeat, "I am not a roulette guru."
This is the stupidest thing to do on forum.
I am now properly educated about the math of roulette.
I can point out your post that you make mistakes in your understanding of the math. :)
Everything that you need to know about the math - was already covered in depth a long time ago by Steve. There are a ton of videos and information on his website. It is not my problem, that it took so long for you to understand such basic things.
You asking him to win real money, is the same as asking for proof of winning real money. There really is no difference.
You won't discuss your "positive edge" bet, because you don't have one. If you had one, you wouldn't be posting here, trying to get attention. You would be busy winning.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 19, 06:19 AM 2020
Everything that you need to know about the math - was already covered in depth a long time ago by Steve. There are a ton of videos and information on his website. It is not my problem, that it took so long for you to understand such basic things.
You asking him to win real money, is the same as asking for proof of winning real money. There really is no difference.
You won't discuss your "positive edge" bet, because you don't have one. If you had one, you wouldn't be posting here, trying to get attention. You would be busy winning.
Cut the crap loudmouth.
Pay up usd$100 you get your first 100spins graph.
No more response until I see the
money. 💰💰💰
Quote from: cht on Oct 19, 06:15 AM 2020
Put your money where your mouth is.
Pay me usd$100 for every one session played.
You get to see the 100 spins graph.
Are you up to it?
You claim to understand math, yet you are only offering 100 spins. You think that 100 spins is enough to prove that you have an edge?
I will offer you 1 to 1 odds, against you winning. For example we both wager $100 each. We can do it for 100 spins, 1000,10000,etc. Essentially I will bet on casino and against you winning.
Since you have a positive edge, this should be an easy bet for you to take!
Quote from: cht on Oct 19, 06:21 AM 2020
Cut the crap loudmouth.
Pay up usd$100 you get your first 100spins graph.
No more response until I see the money. 💰💰💰
100 spins doesn't say anything. And I will not pay you anything.
I will bet $100 USD against your $100 USD, that you won't win in 100 spins. Put your money where your mouth is and take the bet - it should be easy money for you!
Quote from: winforus on Oct 19, 06:27 AM 2020
You claim to understand math, yet you are only offering 100 spins. You think that 100 spins is enough to prove that you have an edge?
I did not make this claim idiot. It cost you usd100 to see my 100spins graph. Learn how to read English. 😂😂😂
I will offer you 1 to 1 odds, against you winning. For example we both wager $100 each. We can do it for 100 spins, 1000,10000,etc. Essentially I will bet on casino and against you winning.
Since you have a positive edge, this should be an easy bet for you to take!
Where's the
money?
No money fark the talk loudmouth.🤑🤑🤑
Quote from: cht on Oct 19, 06:29 AM 2020
Where's the money?
No money fark the talk loudmouth.🤑🤑🤑
CHT, I got the money ready. Let's put up $100 each and see if you can win in 100 spins.
If you win - you will take my $100. If you lose, I will take your $100.
Thank you for confirming me what I always thought - an attention whore.
My offer is always on the table - at anytime you feel free to take it up, let me know. We can do it for any number of spins (minimum 100), at 1 to 1 odds, for any amount.
cht, while I'm all in favour of the maths vids you're posting and urging members to understand the maths, your posts are still contradicting it because you're continuing to insist that there is a way out; a 'loophole' in the game which means that spins aren't independent after all. What use is it to understand the maths when you do this? It means that the maths doesn't have the final say after all. Other members will be thinking : 'well if cht has found a loophole then maybe I can find it too (or another one), therefore the maths doesn't really apply and I might as well ignore it.'
Do you agree?
Quote from: winforus on Oct 19, 06:32 AM 2020
CHT, I got the money ready. Let's put up $100 each and see if you can win in 100 spins.
If you win - you will take my $100. If you lose, I will take your $100.
Do you read English?
USD100 for 100 spins graph.
If you think I hv no edge, just post your comment and jog on.
This topic is
forced on me because I refuse to discuss any further about it.
I hv repeatedly written many posts but you unhappy ppl wish to drag this on.
Consider me a
loser. Close case.
And stop asking about it.
Else it's usd100 for 100spins graph.
Your choice.😊
Quote from: cht on Oct 19, 06:37 AM 2020
Do you read English?
USD100 for 100 spins graph.
If you think I hv no edge, just post your comment and jog on.
This topic is forced on me because I refuse to discuss any further about it.
I hv repeatedly written many posts but you unhappy ppl wish to drag this on.
Consider me a loser. Close case.
And stop asking about it.
Else it's usd100 for 100spins graph.
Your choice.😊
This confirms to me that you DON'T understand math. You are offering a graph of 100 spins, in order to prove that you have an edge.
If you have a positive edge, you should be willing to put where your mouth is and take the bet.
You are an attention whore, nothing more really.
Quote from: Joe on Oct 19, 06:34 AM 2020
cht, while I'm all in favour of the maths vids you're posting and urging members to understand the maths, your posts are still contradicting it because you're continuing to insist that there is a way out; a 'loophole' in the game which means that spins aren't independent after all. What use is it to understand the maths when you do this? It means that the maths doesn't have the final say after all. Other members will be thinking : 'well if cht has found a loophole then maybe I can find it too (or another one), therefore the maths doesn't really apply and I might as well ignore it.'
Do you agree?
I understand your point perfectly.
I realised my mistake that's why I kept writing to close this topic.
Steve, if it's possible delete all my posts that's related to such "loopholes". Thank you
I am trying to close this can of worms.
But as you can see, ppl still insist and provoke this topic.
There is no positive edge systems bet with random spins that are independent and unbiased.Joe, pls bear witness to this bolded statement I make on forum.
I hope this will close the case. 👍
I attach this declaration in my profile.
This is a precognition thread. Not a thread for you to get your daily attention dose.
If you want to get more attention, do it in the systems threads.
Even better, start your own "Reading Randomness" thread - if you want any advice on how to get more attention, ask Gizmotron2.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 19, 06:46 AM 2020
This is a precognition thread. Not a thread for you to get your daily attention dose.
If you want to get more attention, do it in the systems threads.
Even better, start your own "Reading Randomness" thread - if you want any advice on how to get more attention, ask Gizmotron2.
This is precogman's thread.
He asked me a question I gave him a response.
To be fair, I think Miles has went a bit too far and tried too hard make it to first place. ;) It has lost its realism.
To be clear, I'm happy for the results, but like Nimo's, those $700K and $1.2 million draw downs have caught my eyes too, and why the need to create new accounts all the time? With enough attempts, I am sure that I could make it to first place with a dumb system. I'm not trying to disprove precog's claims, just a remark.
Btw, I happy to announce that after a very long break, a couple weeks ago I started practicing precog/remote view again. :) I do some things differently this time, but the goal is the same. I might write about it and show what I do in the future.
Quote from: ati on Oct 19, 08:42 AM 2020With enough attempts, I am sure that I could make it to first place with a dumb system.
Easier said than done. If it is so easy why has nobody else done it? Anyone can claim anything. There are people on there playing 'dumb systems' with over 1000 resets and they are can't get to first position.
As I have said many times I use roulette simulator as a way to practice, not as a way to convince people that precognition works. That os why i have so many resets. You make it seem like I am desperate for first place. Trust me I am not. I have done it multiple times already.
Anyway, as long as you are not a system junkie I take your view on board.
I am more focused on Winrate when it comes to roulette. Not just pure bankroll as RS ranks their 'highscore list'.
Quote from: ati on Oct 19, 08:47 AM 2020
Btw, I happy to announce that after a very long break, a couple weeks ago I started practicing precog/remote view again. :) I do some things differently this time, but the goal is the same. I might write about it and show what I do in the future.
Good to hear you are continuing this. It would be great to get regular updates about your progress too. :thumbsup:
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 17, 06:08 AM 2020
3 number for 3 spins. 5 times. End when in profit. most of the times i'm not playing more then 6 spins.
If i'm in profit i say; goodbye, see you next day. Same goes if i lose all 15 spins.
Still doing this almost daily. Not a month goes by i dont make my 100 units.
- Daily bankroll is 45 units
- 3 numbers bet for 3 spins
- if in profit. Stop.
- max 5 rounds = 45 units total
Easy peasy. You dont need to practice endless. Play for real. Just start with 0.10 cents bets. Upgrade after every month is you can.
Play money is way different then realmoney. I'm now playing with â,¬25 a unit. It was a long and bumpy road cause it took time for my mind would at normal with those huge bets.
So please dont say play money or real money is the same. Because its not. You havent even tried it yet and i have no clue why. Stop wasting time on practice and start doing. Or do both. It take me like 15 minutes a day tops.
O and please keep a diary. That way you will know when youre in a good state most of the time. Im at my best around the middle of the day. Suck at morning and evening.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 19, 10:45 AM 2020
Still doing this almost daily. Not a month goes by i dont make my 100 units.
- Daily bankroll is 45 units
- 3 numbers bet for 3 spins
- if in profit. Stop.
- max 5 rounds = 45 units total
Easy peasy. You dont need to practice endless. Play for real. Just start with 0.10 cents bets. Upgrade after every month is you can.
Play money is way different then realmoney. I'm now playing with â,¬25 a unit. It was a long and bumpy road cause it took time for my mind would at normal with those huge bets.
So please dont say play money or real money is the same. Because its not. You havent even tried it yet and i have no clue why. Stop wasting time on practice and start doing. Or do both. It take me like 15 minutes a day tops.
O and please keep a diary. That way you will know when youre in a good state most of the time. Im at my best around the middle of the day. Suck at morning and evening.
Thank you RayManZ for writing this post.
This explains for why I encourage precogmiles to step up play real money.
I give precogmiles, you and all practitioners my moral support.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 19, 10:45 AM 2020
Still doing this almost daily. Not a month goes by i dont make my 100 units.
- Daily bankroll is 45 units
- 3 numbers bet for 3 spins
- if in profit. Stop.
- max 5 rounds = 45 units total
Easy peasy. You dont need to practice endless. Play for real. Just start with 0.10 cents bets. Upgrade after every month is you can.
Play money is way different then realmoney. I'm now playing with %u20AC25 a unit. It was a long and bumpy road cause it took time for my mind would at normal with those huge bets.
So please dont say play money or real money is the same. Because its not. You havent even tried it yet and i have no clue why. Stop wasting time on practice and start doing. Or do both. It take me like 15 minutes a day tops.
O and please keep a diary. That way you will know when youre in a good state most of the time. Im at my best around the middle of the day. Suck at morning and evening.
Good to hear from you again. I am glad it is working out so well for you! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
In regards to real play, everyone is different. For me practice is more important as I want to understand this phenomena at a deeper lever. I practice in with other games apart from roulette too, so roulette is just a small part of the picture. Playing with real money or play money is the same, as my motivation is different.
But honestly, it is great to hear you are winning, good luck!
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 19, 10:45 AM 2020Still doing this almost daily. Not a month goes by i dont make my 100 units.
Great to hear you are doing well. :thumbsup:
When you stopped reporting, I was worried that things had turned for the worse.
For me practice is definitely needed. There are times when I'm way off with my focus and can't hit a single number. But I don't need roulette to practice. It's a waste of time to place chips and watch spins.
I downloaded an app called #Random on my laptop and on my mobile to generate random numbers. It's very simple and works great.
I would love everyone on here to be a winner. I’m personally playing roulette to make money to free myself to pursue other interests that bring value. Everyone’s motivations are different. I was at a b and m casino earlier today and the guy next to me kept pumping money into the machine. He said he liked the way I played as my bankroll was rising albeit not a fast rate. Unfortunately for him he doesn’t have the experience of this forum so he can understand why he is losing. I’m a new member here myself on this forum but I will say from my personal experience that reality doesnt follow the same rules as a random number generator test engine as it is not a physical system. For every bet I lost I could have won which to me makes them cancel out to neither winning Or losing. This is where I think there should be some further investigation. And this may not be the only path but one of a few.
I assume you mean there is a difference between real wheel and computer rng. There is no difference at all, especially if we are playing psychic roulette, which has nothing to do with physics. When you see/know the future, it doesn't matter how the number is generated, your number will come.
There is an example on this link (link:s://youtu.be/ydNBW4CQS40) of how this works with computer rng. There was also a member here called Nowun, who won tens of thousands on rng in less than a year.
You could use google's rng to practice, or a deck of card, it really doesn't matter.
Yesterday I practiced one and a half hour, and for the first time, I had four consecutive hits. But what's even crazier is that I saw three of the numbers with one focus. I only focus on single digit numbers, so 0 to 9. First I saw a 7, then 3 and 4 appeared next to each other. To my astonishment, the next three generated numbers were 3, 4, and 7.
I'm nowhere near consistent yet, I often miss 15 or more in a row, but I've only been practicing for a couple of weeks. 2 years ago did it for around 10 months, so I'd like to believe that I'm not fully a beginner.
Quote from: ati on Oct 20, 03:52 AM 2020
Yesterday I practiced one and a half hour, and for the first time, I had four consecutive hits. But what's even crazier is that I saw three of the numbers with one focus. I only focus on single digit numbers, so 0 to 9. First I saw a 7, then 3 and 4 appeared next to each other. To my astonishment, the next three generated numbers were 3, 4, and 7.
I'm nowhere near consistent yet, I often miss 15 or more in a row, but I've only been practicing for a couple of weeks. 2 years ago did it for around 10 months, so I'd like to believe that I'm not fully a beginner.
Play your guesses for way less spins. Max 5 spins. After that it's more luck you get a hit than a precog. I noticed that if i dont had a hit within 3 spins i wont get a hit at all most of the time.
Keep a log and you will find what is optimal.
Ok, I didn't mean that I try to hit the same number for 15 spins :) I do only 2 "spins", then I refocus.
I only practice with ten numbers, so it really wouldn't make sense to do more. I'm not trying to get lucky, I want to get to a stage where I can consistently hit at least 5 out of 10 numbers. It sounds impossible, but I've seen others do much better than that. But those people have practiced several hours a day for years.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 20, 04:19 AM 2020
Play your guesses for way less spins. Max 5 spins. After that it's more luck you get a hit than a precog. I noticed that if i dont had a hit within 3 spins i wont get a hit at all most of the time.
Keep a log and you will find what is optimal.
Do you still do the finger dowsing? Is there anything else you have added since? Can you give a brief explanation of your method please.
Quote from: ati on Oct 20, 05:04 AM 2020
Ok, I didn't mean that I try to hit the same number for 15 spins :) I do only 2 "spins", then I refocus.
I only practice with ten numbers, so it really wouldn't make sense to do more. I'm not trying to get lucky, I want to get to a stage where I can consistently hit at least 5 out of 10 numbers. It sounds impossible, but I've seen others do much better than that. But those people have practiced several hours a day for years.
Do you mean you place bets on 10 numbers for each spin?
Quote from: ati on Oct 20, 03:52 AM 2020Yesterday I practiced one and a half hour, and for the first time, I had four consecutive hits. But what's even crazier is that I saw three of the numbers with one focus. I only focus on single digit numbers, so 0 to 9. First I saw a 7, then 3 and 4 appeared next to each other. To my astonishment, the next three generated numbers were 3, 4, and 7.
That's really cool, keep it up :D
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 20, 05:37 AM 2020
Do you still do the finger dowsing? Is there anything else you have added since? Can you give a brief explanation of your method please.
All still the same.
But keeping a log helped me the most. I also noticed that i have a better winrate if i have gone to the gym that day and don't have any items on my todo list for that day.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 20, 05:40 AM 2020Do you mean you place bets on 10 numbers for each spin?
No, only 1 number. Here's what I do
I set my rng to generate numbers between 0 and 9. (this is what I mean by practicing with 10 numbers)
I focus on a blank sheet of paper or I open Paint in Windows, choose a color I like and focus on the screen until numbers start appearing.
I always see at least 3-4 different numbers constantly moving and morphing. After a couple of minutes I choose only one of them, then I do two spins max and try to hit that one number. Then I start over with the focus.
When I see that I constantly hit more than the 1/10 expectation, I'm going to move up to 37 numbers, or play with 10 numbers but on finals. Right now my brain knows that I only want to see single digit numbers, so I don't see numbers like 22, 35, etc.
Quote from: ati on Oct 20, 06:06 AM 2020
No, only 1 number. Here's what I do
I set my rng to generate numbers between 0 and 9. (this is what I mean by practicing with 10 numbers)
I focus on a blank sheet of paper or I open Paint in Windows, choose a color I like and focus on the screen until numbers start appearing.
I always see at least 3-4 different numbers constantly moving and morphing. After a couple of minutes I choose only one of them, then I do two spins max and try to hit that one number. Then I start over with the focus.
When I see that I constantly hit more than the 1/10 expectation, I'm going to move up to 37 numbers, or play with 10 numbers but on finals. Right now my brain knows that I only want to see single digit numbers, so I don't see numbers like 22, 35, etc.
Ugh...so what do you do??! You keep dreaming anyway! Do not wake up!
i know, you will call me now "naysayer"
Quote from: ati on Oct 20, 06:06 AM 2020
No, only 1 number. Here's what I do
I set my rng to generate numbers between 0 and 9. (this is what I mean by practicing with 10 numbers)
I focus on a blank sheet of paper or I open Paint in Windows, choose a color I like and focus on the screen until numbers start appearing.
I always see at least 3-4 different numbers constantly moving and morphing. After a couple of minutes I choose only one of them, then I do two spins max and try to hit that one number. Then I start over with the focus.
When I see that I constantly hit more than the 1/10 expectation, I'm going to move up to 37 numbers, or play with 10 numbers but on finals. Right now my brain knows that I only want to see single digit numbers, so I don't see numbers like 22, 35, etc.
I am similar but when I have a good day (not stressed or tired) I try and see the colour of the number (red or black) and still play all the numbers ending in that digit but double up on those that match the colour. Have had some success with that.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 19, 10:45 AM 2020
Still doing this almost daily. Not a month goes by i dont make my 100 units.
- Daily bankroll is 45 units
- 3 numbers bet for 3 spins
- if in profit. Stop.
- max 5 rounds = 45 units total
Easy peasy. You dont need to practice endless. Play for real. Just start with 0.10 cents bets. Upgrade after every month is you can.
Play money is way different then realmoney. I'm now playing with â,¬25 a unit. It was a long and bumpy road cause it took time for my mind would at normal with those huge bets.
So please dont say play money or real money is the same. Because its not. You havent even tried it yet and i have no clue why. Stop wasting time on practice and start doing. Or do both. It take me like 15 minutes a day tops.
O and please keep a diary. That way you will know when youre in a good state most of the time. Im at my best around the middle of the day. Suck at morning and evening.
This is very impressive and inspiring!
Could you describe in more detail, in regards to how you do finger dowsing? There are different techniques out there - I can't imagine that you would go and ask for each of the 37 numbers, until you get an answer, as that would take a long time.
No one can predict the next number. If they could all these so called psychics would be rich. This is such a joke.
What's this lame excuse of only being able to play a few spins per day? People claim to do remote viewing all day long.
Do you think your psychic abilities magically dissipate after predicting a correct number?
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 20, 04:19 AM 2020After that it's more luck you get a hit than a precog.
Delusion at its finest. If you can manipulate psychic energy, you would actually be able to improve as you go along.
Does a fairy come to you at night to restore your abilities?
Quote from: cht on Oct 18, 06:15 AM 2020My thread is about the math of roulette interpreted and discussed in layman terms so that anyone can easily understand. This way people are full aware and educated about the basic math. Learn the math and physics from the videos I posted, that's my advice.
My thread is NOT about my edge. I have written many times yet.
I prefer to stop posting about my edge. Don't serve any purpose for ME.
So stop asking or talking about it.
I prefer to discuss other people's edge. 😎
1st person on the planet to discover an anomaly and decides to jump on a roulette forum first. That makes sense.
He says you can't have an edge, then says you can. What the hell is this person talking about?
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 02:45 PM 2020
1st person on the planet to discover an anomaly and decides to jump on a roulette forum first. That makes sense.
He says you can't have an edge, then says you can. What the hell is this person talking about?
He's a walking paradox.
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 02:45 PM 2020
1st person on the planet to discover an anomaly and decides to jump on a roulette forum first. That makes sense.
He says you can't have an edge, then says you can. What the hell is this person talking about?
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 11:41 AM 2020
With all due respect, I know where you are coming from. I have studied randomness for several years and am doing a similar thing to Gizmo. I cannot make any predictions, but I am able to win more than I lose. I just adjust to whatever randomness is throwing at me.
Another paradox.
Sometimes this forum makes me think I am the only one without a holy grail up my sleeve
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 21, 07:00 PM 2020Another paradox.
Sure stranger.
U caught me red handed.
I admit. I don’t have a consistent winning poop if that’s what you’re getting at.
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 21, 07:03 PM 2020Sometimes this forum makes me think I am the only one without a holy grail up my sleeve
I don't have a holy grail. It doesn't exist.
I just adjust to randomness fast enough to make a quick buck.
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 21, 06:38 PM 2020He's a walking paradox.
Oh my god. Would you just do your girlfriend already?
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 08:03 PM 2020
Sure stranger.
U caught me red handed.
I admit. I don’t have a consistent winning poop if that’s what you’re getting at.
Then how do you call a way of betting that wins more then it loses?
Wtf is wrong here? Everybody joins and seems like they have an agenda, discredit other liars then state something without proof.
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 08:05 PM 2020
I don't have a holy grail. It doesn't exist.
I just adjust to randomness fast enough to make a quick buck.
adjust to randomness, do you even realize how this sounds?
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 21, 08:07 PM 2020Then how do you call a way of betting that wins more then it loses?
Wtf is wrong here? Everybody joins and seems like they have an agenda, discredit other liars then state something without proof.
Honestly everyone can just drop it. I won't provide tips, clues, anything. I don't want fights nor anything, so I will just say this...
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEAT ROULETTE. THAT'S FINAL. PLEASE DON'T BRING IT UP.
Why does this 'I won't sell anything' sound so familiar?
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 08:10 PM 2020
Honestly everyone can just drop it. I won't provide tips, clues, anything. I don't want fights nor anything, so I will just say this...
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEAT ROULETTE. THAT'S FINAL. PLEASE DON'T BRING IT UP.
What is your purpose on this forum then?
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 21, 08:18 PM 2020What is your purpose on this forum then?
You say this like one needs some special purpose or permission to be here. I'm here cuz I want to be here. Now, f*ck off.
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 21, 08:16 PM 2020Why does this 'I won't sell anything' sound so familiar?
Idk. Must be a paradox b/c I've never said it.
Quote from: mma on Oct 21, 08:59 PM 2020
Idk. Must be a paradox b/c I've never said it.
It's safe to say that I can hold my breath till you mention again that you win more than you lose without anybody asking you.
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 21, 07:03 PM 2020
Sometimes this forum makes me think I am the only one without a holy grail up my sleeve
Boom. Mic. And drop.
Quote from: cht on Oct 17, 10:38 PM 2020
Depends on the member's mindset.
I take forum for sharing creative ideas, learn technical stuff like coding and industry matters.
About guru claims, I do learn what don't work after wasting years testing trash. I paid the price to get educated and experience.
This forum is indeed the gambler's zoo. You learn about what don't work. That's the trick. My thread(I keep advertising) explains the math in layman terms to farking hardcore gambler's.
The math Boyz wrote that long time ago. Hardcore gambler refuse to believe. That's my fault, no one to blame.
One more very important point,
Even if someone provide proof of 100% positive edge bet, there's no guarantee he can win in real casino.
Taking real cash from casino is a different level of challenge.
To all those 100% win bullshit gurus, why have you not made your millions yet? Why have you not played in Vegas, Macau?
Ahem... And you?
Everyone's agenda changes from one instance to the next it's crazy. You can los yourself in here with all the split personalities.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 18, 05:27 AM 2020
Thanks winforus. Yes it is hilarious how jealous they have become, instead of it opening their minds to new possibilities.
Yet you have not formally accepted my challenge.
B-b-b-bawk.
Quote from: cht on Oct 18, 06:15 AM 2020
My thread is about the math of roulette interpreted and discussed in layman terms so that anyone can easily understand. This way people are full aware and educated about the basic math. Learn the math and physics from the videos I posted, that's my advice.
My thread is NOT about my edge. I have written many times yet.
I prefer to stop posting about my edge. Don't serve any purpose for ME.
So stop asking or talking about it.
I prefer to discuss other people's edge. 😎
Hey Chief. What ever happened to VB? G.U.T.?
...
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 19, 10:45 AM 2020
Still doing this almost daily. Not a month goes by i dont make my 100 units.
- Daily bankroll is 45 units
- 3 numbers bet for 3 spins
- if in profit. Stop.
- max 5 rounds = 45 units total
Easy peasy. You dont need to practice endless. Play for real. Just start with 0.10 cents bets. Upgrade after every month is you can.
Play money is way different then realmoney. I'm now playing with â,¬25 a unit. It was a long and bumpy road cause it took time for my mind would at normal with those huge bets.
So please dont say play money or real money is the same. Because its not. You havent even tried it yet and i have no clue why. Stop wasting time on practice and start doing. Or do both. It take me like 15 minutes a day tops.
O and please keep a diary. That way you will know when youre in a good state most of the time. Im at my best around the middle of the day. Suck at morning and evening.
I would like to thank RayManZ for this advice. I have implemented this and have also started playing for real money (low stakes).
Once the skill level grows, I would then just increase the unit size, since the goal is to have the highest accuracy or EV.
@WINFORUS,
You can use precog to stop betting even before you hit the stop loss point.
Quote from: Mean on Oct 27, 12:16 PM 2020
@WINFORUS,
You can use precog to stop betting even before you hit the stop loss point.
What do you mean by this?
His advice makes sense to me not specifically because of having a stop loss point, but because it maximizes your edge/EV, as I have found from my experience, that the longer I play, the more my accuracy goes down. I have also found that my results are the best during the first 15 minutes. Once your skill level increases, you can then just increase the unit size. Raymanz for example went from playing with $0.10 units to $25.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 27, 01:26 PM 2020What do you mean by this?
When you get a feeling that you're going to hit a losing streak, you stop betting. It's okay to create basic rules, just don't follow them 100%. Ofc, do what you want, but I believe this way is better.
Quote from: Mean on Oct 27, 02:07 PM 2020
When you get a feeling that you're going to hit a losing streak, you stop betting. It's okay to create basic rules, just don't follow them 100%. Ofc, do what you want, but I believe this way is better.
I agree with this. If you believe that you will hit a losing streak, you should absolutely stop playing. And yes I agree there are exceptions to the rules.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 27, 01:26 PM 2020
Raymanz for example went from playing with $0.10 units to $25.
In all honesty, I don't think he is legit. He is still chasing systems and a mathematical advantage. No proof whatsoever and also gets irritated easily when asked for it. At best his results might be mixed, lucky, slightly in profit or loss.
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 27, 10:18 PM 2020
In all honesty, I don't think he is legit. He is still chasing systems and a mathematical advantage. No proof whatsoever and also gets irritated easily when asked for it. At best his results might be mixed, lucky, slightly in profit or loss.
I posted here my results for 3 months straight. I could post all the proof in the world but if you don't get the same results as me it's bullshit. Thats ok. I couldnt care less to be honest. I shared everything i know and how i do it and how i got this far. You could just copy and past it and be on the same level within a year or so.
And yes im still chasing other option to beat roulette. Why wouldnt i? I got all the time in the world and i do think CHT is legit so i do wanne find out how he is doing it.
Now do i sound irritated to you? Thats maybe because im not english and my way of talking/typing is a bit weird. It's hard to express yourself in english when you don't know it 100%.
Im just here to help. If you got question about precog just ask.
Ok then, take 5 minutes of time from your day and play on Roulette Simulator please. Show the results after one month. Typing some something like: MARCH
259 spins * 3 number bet = 777 units bet total
117 units won
return = 894
edge = 894 / 777 = 1.15%
is not proof...
No I don't want to see money, no videos in the casino, just a few hundred spins. Your next answer is you don't need to prove anything to me, so this discussion is a closed circle until you provide something.
I believe in precog, parralel universes, law of attraction, dreams, numerology so I will never say it's bs. One another note your proof would bring hope for someone starting out so you might even change someones life completely by giving them the desire to chase precog.
Also I don't think everybody can learn it, I think it's as much a skill as drawing is. Drawing teachers will say that everyone can master it but that only because they want to sell their course. I'm a pro artist and I can tell you for sure that if God/Universe didn't put that gift inside you to grow it, you can easily waste years and I have seen people not improving at it even after a decade. Instead you should try to focus on the things you're good at.
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 27, 10:18 PM 2020In all honesty, I don't think he is legit. He is still chasing systems and a mathematical advantage. No proof whatsoever and also gets irritated easily when asked for it. At best his results might be mixed, lucky, slightly in profit or loss.
I second this.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 28, 03:50 AM 2020I couldnt care less to be honest.
And yet you do.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 28, 03:50 AM 2020Why wouldnt i?
Because they obviously don't work
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 28, 03:50 AM 2020i do think CHT is legit
Oh dear lord, somebody help you.
Yes i do care! A lot! It's my mission! Make precog great again. Now lets all just meditate for the next 10 hours. Together we will all succeed. I believe in all of you.
Stranger90 and Mean, while I think that Rayman is mistaking when it comes to believing CHT's claims - I don't think it automatically discredits his posts when it comes to precognition.
I don't think there is any reason for him to provide any sort of proof on RS - precogmiles has done enough of that. For me, it's good enough if he posts his monthly results of real money play. I will be doing the same in sometime.
I can levitate, I will post monthly how many seconds more I can maintain it.
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 28, 08:32 AM 2020
I can levitate, I will post monthly how many seconds more I can maintain it.
To me, nothing that he posted makes me think that he is making it up. All of his advice, and posts are also very congruent. At the very least, it is inspiring to see someone post the results from real money play.
Like I said, I have implemented his advice and it is already paying off big time. In sometime I will share my results as well.
You need to read between the lines, and see the difference between Gizmotrons/CHT and people who don't just post for attention.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 28, 07:51 AM 2020
Yes i do care! A lot! It's my mission! Make precog great again. Now lets all just meditate for the next 10 hours. Together we will all succeed. I believe in all of you.
:xd: :xd: :twisted:
I agree with winforus, RayManZ has been practising precog for years. Why would he need to lie about it?
He has never attempted to force anyone to believe in precog. He has simply provided his results to us.
And to be frank, even being ranked 1st place on two open public roulette games is not enough evidence for the majority of people when it comes to precog. Yet system gurus just give hints and exaggerated claims and system junkies automatically believe them.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 28, 07:51 AM 2020Yes i do care! A lot! It's my mission! Make precog great again.
Cool mission. I wish I cared about other people as much as you do.
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 28, 07:51 AM 2020Now lets all just meditate for the next 10 hours.
What's the longest you've meditated for and what type of meditation was it, i.e., void, mindfulness, etc?
Quote from: RayManZ on Oct 28, 07:51 AM 2020Together we will all succeed.
I doubt it
Quote from: winforus on Oct 28, 08:29 AM 2020I don't think it automatically discredits his posts when it comes to precognition.
Nothing is automatic, but it leads us in the direction of discrediting him. If one is smart enough to figure out how beat roulette with precog, then they can probably easily figure out that CHT can't win.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 28, 08:36 AM 2020At the very least, it is inspiring to see someone post the results from real money play.
If he wants to help us so badly, why can't he prove it?
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 28, 08:48 AM 2020even being ranked 1st place on two open public roulette games is not enough evidence for the majority of people when it comes to precog.
Are you clueing us in on how to beat roulette by using precog? I'm probably just being crazy.
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 28, 08:32 AM 2020I can levitate, I will post monthly how many seconds more I can maintain it.
How many seconds can you stay away from your computer?
Wtf happpened with this forum..it is dead, from the first 6 thread 5 is about precognition, holly crapshit...jesus ;D ;D ;D
Come to roulettelife.com to discuss about real roulette, leave this shit here.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 10:43 AM 2020Wtf happpened with this forum..it is dead, from the first 6 thread 5 is about precognition, holly crapshit...jesus
Come to roulettelife.com to discuss about real roulette, leave this shit here.
Reading Randomness is banned there.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 10:43 AM 2020
Wtf happpened with this forum..it is dead, from the first 6 thread 5 is about precognition, holly crapshit...jesus ;D ;D ;D
Come to roulettelife.com to discuss about real roulette, leave this shit here.
:lol: :lol: :twisted:
Are you serious?
Everyone on there seems to have the holy grail. Low IQ is a real problem.
Joe keeps refuting them with the math and none of them produce any concrete rules to their systems.
Same with almost every other forum. Full of gurus with non-existent methods. And the systems they reveal have been shown to fail in the long run.
Anyone with a low IQ should not be playing roulette.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 28, 11:18 AM 2020
Reading Randomness is banned there.
Not banned, just open a topic :)
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 28, 11:24 AM 2020
:lol: :lol: :twisted:
Are you serious?
Everyone on there seems to have the holy grail. Low IQ is a real problem.
Joe keeps refuting them with the math and none of them produce any concrete rules to their systems.
Same with almost every other forum. Full of gurus with non-existent methods. And the systems they reveal have been shown to fail in the long run.
Anyone with a low IQ should not be playing roulette.
So, this is why everyone here is playing only on MPR or RSim. Because all of everyone here has a high IQ! Good one! :)))))))))))
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 11:29 AM 2020
So, this is why everyone here is playing only on MPR or RSim. Because all of everyone here has a high IQ! Good one! :)))))))))))
Name me 1 member on there who has a winning method that has demonstrated anything?
Low IQ do not care about demonstration. High IQ like demonstrate before making claims.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 28, 11:37 AM 2020
Name me 1 member on there who has a winning method that has demonstrated anything?
Low IQ do not care about demonstration. High IQ like demonstrate before making claims.
You're derailing!
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 28, 08:48 AM 2020
I agree with winforus, RayManZ has been practising precog for years. Why would he need to lie about it?
He has never attempted to force anyone to believe in precog. He has simply provided his results to us.
And to be frank, even being ranked 1st place on two open public roulette games is not enough evidence for the majority of people when it comes to precog. Yet system gurus just give hints and exaggerated claims and system junkies automatically believe them.
B-b-b-bawk.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 28, 11:24 AM 2020
:lol: :lol: :twisted:
Are you serious?
Everyone on there seems to have the holy grail.
True ;D ;D Still thee best, and hottest roulette forum now on the planet. Who wanna discuss other things, than precognition, good choise for them.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 10:43 AM 2020
Wtf happpened with this forum..it is dead, from the first 6 thread 5 is about precognition, holly crapshit...jesus ;D ;D ;D
Come to roulettelife.com to discuss about real roulette, leave this shit here.
What is roulette? What is an ivorine ball? How do we place bets? Am I good enough? Am I cool enough?You mean these discussions?
This forum is at least 5 years ahead.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 11:46 AM 2020
True ;D ;D Still thee best, and hottest roulette forum now on the planet. Who wanna discuss other things, than precognition, good choise for them.
Lol there is a large video on the top of the site about how casinos cheat showing real footage of casinos manipulating the results, yet all of the system junkies seem to be blind to the obvious message of the video.
Low IQ at it's finest.
Casinos are a business. They also have PhD statistians, experts in machine learning and PhD mathematicians working for them. They get paid big bucks to make sure the casino is in profit.
Do any of you system junkies honestly think the Casinos would allow a game in their business that could be beaten by the ramblings low IQ minds of forum members.
If you think a multi billion dollar industry would allow a game that was so easily beatable to be a flagship game in their line of offerings you need your head examined.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 10:43 AM 2020
Wtf happpened with this forum..it is dead, from the first 6 thread 5 is about precognition, holly crapshit...jesus ;D ;D ;D
Come to roulettelife.com to discuss about real roulette, leave this shit here.
:lol: :lol: :lol: You haven't had enough of losing yet? Still want to continue to bang your head against the wall, with the hope of one day finding the HG?
As precogmiles has said, this forum is 5 years ahead. People have had finally enough of BS systems, and are trying other methods that have shown huge potential.
When you will cure your addiction and ready to beat roulette with AP methods, you are welcome to join :)
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 28, 12:09 PM 2020
This forum is at least 5 years ahead.
Over the past month or so, it seems like there has been a huge shift on this forum. People have stopped tolerating systems bs and became more interested in precognition, and non traditional methods. I am very happy to see this.
Looks like a lot of the systems junkies got discouraged and ran to the other forum.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 11:26 AM 2020Not banned, just open a topic
I was banned for defending it.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 28, 12:58 PM 2020
Over the past month or so, it seems like there has been a huge shift on this forum. People have stopped tolerating systems bs and became more interested in precognition, and non traditional methods. I am very happy to see this.
Looks like a lot of the systems junkies got discouraged and ran to the other forum.
Yes, we are way ahead of them, when it comes to roulette and the great thing is that once you develop precog sufficiently you can apply it to other areas as well.
I think it started when Steve made those videos. Hopefully it opened up some peoples eyes.
I wonder how many of the voodoo guys left here and praising the precognition are earning real money with that?
Oh... wait... first precognition moment in my life!!!!! I predict the answer: ZERO!!!!!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 01:48 PM 2020
I wonder how many of the voodoo guys left here and praising the precognition are earning real money with that?
Oh... wait... first precognition moment in my life!!!!! I predict the answer: ZERO!!!!!
Go back to roulettelowiq.com
Ok, I think I should applogize for what I said!
I didn't knew that the truth will hurt you so much!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 02:57 PM 2020
Ok, I think I should applogize for what I said!
I didn't knew that the truth will hurt you so much!
The only way you can hurt my feelings is if you can demonstrate that 1+1=3
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 01:48 PM 2020
I wonder how many of the voodoo guys left here and praising the precognition are earning real money with that?
Oh... wait... first precognition moment in my life!!!!! I predict the answer: ZERO!!!!!
I wonder how many of the system players on this forum and others, are earning real money with the systems? Zero.
I am willing to bet that majority of them have lost a lot of money in their life time. A lot more than any precognition player possibly could have.
Systems have been around for 20+ years. And there is not a single professional roulette player to be found, who is using a system. Let that sink in, you system junkie.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 28, 03:16 PM 2020
I wonder how many of the system players on this forum and others, are earning real money with the systems? Zero.
I am willing to bet that majority of them have lost a lot of money in their life time. A lot more than any precognition player possibly could have.
Systems have been around for 20+ years. And there is not a single professional roulette player to be found, who is using a system. Let that sink in, you system junkie.
There are, just you didnt know them, you precog junkie.
Talk is cheap. No demonstration = no evidence.
Repeaters, triggers, money management, pattern breaking, random vs random, martingale, progressions, law of the third, entropy, formulas are all useless as they do not give you an edge.
If you have an edge then prove it. It is that simple. MPR and rsim are ready for you to show your truth.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 28, 03:16 PM 2020
....than any precognition player possibly could have....
You are so right about that!!!!! And the answer to why they will not have is......????
Second precognition moment in my life just happend. I will predict the answer again: BECAUSE PRECOGNITION IS FULL OF SH** and doesn't pay anything in real roulette. Just on the jokes called MPR and RSim
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 10:43 AM 2020Come to roulettelife.com to discuss about real roulette,
Really? Is anyone winning over there?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 28, 11:18 AM 2020Reading Randomness is banned there.
Proof. There is a God.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 28, 11:24 AM 2020Anyone with a low IQ should not be playing roulette
For 99% of roulette players, IQ levels make no difference.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 11:26 AM 2020Not banned, just open a topic
U just said roulettelife is better, and now you're trying to make it worse with reading randomness nonsense. Way to go!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 04:01 PM 2020
You are so right about that!!!!! And the answer to why they will not have is......????
Second precognition moment in my life just happend. I will predict the answer again: BECAUSE PRECOGNITION IS FULL OF SH** and doesn't pay anything in real roulette. Just on the jokes called MPR and RSim
There are people like Rayman, WunWun, and others who are making money as we speak. I have also started playing for real money, and will share my results in sometime.
I got a challenge for you and for any system junkie out there:
We will both play on RS for equal amount of spins. You will use any system of your choice and I will use precognition. We will escrow the money wagered to a trusted 3rd party (for example Steve). The person who has the better results, will win the bet.
Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Talk is cheap.
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 28, 11:54 AM 2020What is roulette? What is an ivorine ball? How do we place bets? Am I good enough? Am I cool enough?
You mean these discussions?
What is a dealer and how much?
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Oct 28, 01:06 PM 2020I was banned for defending it.
If you put your money where your mouth is, everyone will believe.
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 28, 01:06 PM 2020once you develop precog sufficiently you can apply it to other areas as well.
Great point!
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 01:48 PM 2020I wonder how many of the voodoo guys
Voodoo is real, it's just applied energy to a target. I wouldn't expect an idiot to understand that though.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 02:57 PM 2020I didn't knew that the truth will hurt you so much!
Has the truth hurt you so badly that you have to make such idiotic posts?
Quote from: precogmiles on Oct 28, 12:49 PM 2020
Lol there is a large video on the top of the site about how casinos cheat showing real footage of casinos manipulating the results, yet all of the system junkies seem to be blind to the obvious message of the video.
Low IQ at it's finest.
Casinos are a business. They also have PhD statistians, experts in machine learning and PhD mathematicians working for them. They get paid big bucks to make sure the casino is in profit.
Do any of you system junkies honestly think the Casinos would allow a game in their business that could be beaten by the ramblings low IQ minds of forum members.
If you think a multi billion dollar industry would allow a game that was so easily beatable to be a flagship game in their line of offerings you need your head examined.
Please... For the love of... Shut your yap. Stay in your lane.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 28, 03:16 PM 2020I wonder how many of the system players on this forum and others, are earning real money with the systems? Zero.
Casinos love systems. So should we, because it keeps roulette profitable, right?
Quote from: winforus on Oct 28, 03:16 PM 2020A lot more than any precognition player possibly could have.
True precog players lose much less, because they are intelligent and intune with reality.
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 04:01 PM 2020Just on the jokes called MPR
If MPR is a joke, then why can't you systematic idiots beat it?
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 03:22 PM 2020
There are, just you didnt know them, you precog junkie.
Take your sunglasses and bugger off, you cretin.
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 03:22 PM 2020There are, just you didnt know them, you precog junkie.
The only positive expected value system is making positive expected value bets with other players at the table.
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 28, 04:27 PM 2020
Take your sunglasses and bugger off, you cretin.
Who asked you, you retard rat. Go play with monopoly or on rng roulette like a gay. Men plays in real casino with real dealer, not these mpr and rsim rng shits.
Quote from: winforus on Oct 28, 04:20 PM 2020
There are people like Rayman, WunWun, and others who are making money as we speak. I have also started playing for real money, and will share my results in sometime.
I got a challenge for you and for any system junkie out there:
We will both play on RS for equal amount of spins. You will use any system of your choice and I will use precognition. We will escrow the money wagered to a trusted 3rd party (for example Steve). The person who has the better results, will win the bet.
Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Talk is cheap.
I don't give a shit on RS or MPR. The real deal is B&M casino with live dealer. Anything else is a silly joke. As your voodoo shit...
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 04:42 PM 2020
Who asked you, you retard rat. Go play with monopoly or on rng roulette like a gay. Men plays in ryeal casino with real dealer, not these mpr and rsim rng shits.
Herp derp. Go donate to the casinos. We need more of those. Doofus. You still wear your sunglasses at night?
Quote from: Mean on Oct 28, 09:23 AM 2020
How many seconds can you stay away from your computer?
Atvleast 10 hours when I meditate
Quote from: Mister Eko on Oct 28, 04:42 PM 2020Men plays in real casino with real dealer
And they lose "real" money
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 05:10 PM 2020The real deal is B&M casino with live dealer
Are you using physics?
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Oct 28, 05:10 PM 2020silly joke
Silly jokes make a lot of money sometimes.
Quote from: stranger90 on Oct 28, 05:47 PM 2020Atvleast 10 hours when I meditate
Going to sleep isn't meditation.
Notice I always wrote I have no opinion about precog.
Leave precog guys do their thing on their thread in peace.
Steve, how probable would it be that an online casino would ban a winning player who is using precognition? As you said, the only limit to winning is how much you can get away with (once you achieve an edge).
When tracking, do they track in terms of total amounts won, or do they count in units, regardless of amount won? If they track units, what kind of win rate would get their attention? In this case, I am talking about winning on real wheel (non-rng).
Raymanz and other successful precog players, I would be interested to hear if you have had any difficulties with cashing out or getting banned/restricted from playing. Thank you in advance.
Quote from: winforus on Nov 22, 03:59 PM 2020
Steve, how probable would it be that an online casino would ban a winning player who is using precognition? As you said, the only limit to winning is how much you can get away with (once you achieve an edge).
Nobody is consistently winning via online roulette. The software is designed to weed you out, ban you, and to keep your money.
QuoteRaymanz and other successful precog players, I would be interested to hear if you have had any difficulties with cashing out or getting banned/restricted from playing. Thank you in advance.
There aren't any successful precog players. There are only hucksters, scammers, and the delusional.
No casino tolerates a consistent winner, no matter how you win. So if you keep the same account online, your winnings are limited.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 25, 05:14 PM 2020
No casino tolerates a consistent winner, no matter how you win. So if you keep the same account online, your winnings are limited.
Does this apply, even if one wins consistently at lower stakes?
My concern is by the time I move up to higher stakes, they may see that I have won consistently at lower stakes.
If you have any tips or advice to avoid this issue in the future, would appreciate it.
Where are you located? I live in a small european country and I can find at least 30-40 reliable online casinos. Just make multiple accounts and rotate. Maybe gamble 10% on slots from time to time, you will look like a lucky degen to them. Unless you are withdrawing thousands daily I don't think you will be on their radar, maybe they will offer you less bonuses or delay some issues but there are national organizations that should protect you in any case.
Worry about winning, the rest is solvable.
Quote from: The General on Nov 25, 12:40 PM 2020
Nobody is consistently winning via online roulette. The software is designed to weed you out, ban you, and to keep your money.
There aren't any successful precog players. There are only hucksters, scammers, and the delusional.
What The General said.
Quote from: stranger90 on Nov 25, 07:48 PM 2020
Where are you located? I live in a small european country and I can find at least 30-40 reliable online casinos. Just make multiple accounts and rotate. Maybe gamble 10% on slots from time to time, you will look like a lucky degen to them. Unless you are withdrawing thousands daily I don't think you will be on their radar, maybe they will offer you less bonuses or delay some issues but there are national organizations that should protect you in any case.
Worry about winning, the rest is solvable.
I am also located in Europe. I really doubt that there are that many “reliable†casinos, as there have been many cases of them not paying out the winnings, etc.
Anyways, if the amounts withdrawn/won are what matters and not your actual win rate (in terms of units won/spin), then I am in good hands. And I will start to play on multiple sites.
I have had some really great results in over the last month of playing after I switched from playing on RS to real money play. In sometime I will share them and what I learned, as I continue to improve.
Quote from: winforus on Nov 26, 04:20 AM 2020I have had some really great results in over the last month of playing after I switched from playing on RS to real money play. In sometime I will share them and what I learned, as I continue to improve.
Good to hear it. Can you share any specifics on your method please? Like how you visualise the numbers, meditation etc.
I put a post in September on GamblersForum of my technique that I got great results (RSim and real world) for a good few weeks then got ill for a about a month and can’t get back into it so I’m on the lookout for fresh ideas.
Top 3 on MPR
ingoswann
Precogm
Intuitive
:lol: :lol: :lol:
We’ll done.
Any idea what type of player Ingoswann is?
Also, how does the leaderboard rankings work on there? It seems to be by winrate for a while then I can't work out the ordering. I have a winrate of 1.83 but am languishing at ranking 554, I guess due to the relatively low number of spins?
Quote from: Klausy on Jun 08, 03:59 PM 2021
We’ll done.
Any idea what type of player Ingoswann is?
Ingo Swann is my account paying homage to the the remote viewing legend. Using precog.
Quote from: Klausy on Jun 08, 04:20 PM 2021
Also, how does the leaderboard rankings work on there? It seems to be by winrate for a while then I can't work out the ordering. I have a winrate of 1.83 but am languishing at ranking 554, I guess due to the relatively low number of spins?
I am not 100% sure how it is being calculated. But it does seem to be effected by a few different things. The amount of spins and how much per spin is important I think.
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 08, 04:28 PM 2021Ingo Swann is my account paying homage to the the remote viewing legend. Using precog.
Ah ok 👍
Quote from: precogmiles on Jun 08, 04:31 PM 2021I am not 100% sure how it is being calculated. But it does seem to be effected by a few different things. The amount of spins and how much per spin is important I think.
Ok thanks
Quote from: Klausy on Jun 08, 04:20 PM 2021
Also, how does the leaderboard rankings work on there? It seems to be by winrate for a while then I can't work out the ordering. I have a winrate of 1.83 but am languishing at ranking 554, I guess due to the relatively low number of spins?
This is how it is calculated.
QuoteSummary of values:
P = average number of spins played by all players combined(total / number of players)
Px= number of spins played by an individual player
B = average lifetime bets by all players combined (total / number of players)
Bx = lifetime bets of individual player
RS = Rank score
Rank score of a player = (win rate) * (Px/P) * (Bx/B)
The (Px/P) and (Bx/B) values can never be greater than 1. So if your played spins and amount bet are both higher then the average of all players, your rank is simply the
win rate * 1 * 1The current average for played spins is 347.21
The current average for amount bet is 138,681.73
Quote from: Klausy on Nov 26, 11:43 AM 2020
Good to hear it. Can you share any specifics on your method please? Like how you visualise the numbers, meditation etc.
I put a post in September on GamblersForum of my technique that I got great results (RSim and real world) for a good few weeks then got ill for a about a month and can’t get back into it so I’m on the lookout for fresh ideas.
understand what you meant by "can't go back into it". Encountered twice so far.
Quote from: zhone on Jun 09, 03:37 AM 2021understand what you meant by "can't go back into it". Encountered twice so far.
It made me smile reading back to what I wrote back then. Some people I'm sure would be better than snapping out of a bad streak than I am but I know now not to fight it and certainly don't bet with real money when things aren't going well.
I was into precognition for a while but like anything else it bored me to death because I am a lazy and easily distracted individual.
So I fell into that trap of thinking there has to be a simple winning system, again...and I was testing some theories with Martingale Simulator on Rsim, till I got bored...
Then I tried something new, think of a number and bet 200 spins with Martingale 10 unit bet, 2 progression factor, max bet 1,000. Started with a -20k dip but then to my astonishment it grew to 2.5 million in less than half an hour just under 10k spins. Must say I doubled the bet unit each time I made a 300-500k growth.
My point is: maybe precognition works better when you put a bunch of forces to work, like large numbers-10k spins, 200 at once, some Martingale, huge bankroll if playing for money, lots of patience, hmmm thoughts?
Edit: Most of times changed the number for every 200 new spins but also I felt that I should bet 0 for 3 times in a row, each time it brought a consistent profit. Got to a state where I was 100% sure that I picked the right number and if I pressed SPIN I will see a big green profit, that is a very pleasant state that puts law of attraction to work.
I like the idea of precog with a system/bankroll management but that doesn’t sound like a realistic setup, even with penny units does it?
Even on red hot streaks I might get a number that might not be the next spin but in say 3 or 4 spins so some small progression over a few spins might be a good ploy.
It’s been covered in other threads that precog success comes from manifestation, ie the desire for the number influences the result but I’m not so sure, to me it seems to be getting a feeling for something in the near future so even if you are selecting one number and running loads of spins on it, you may be getting a sense that overall it will be a successful number, if that makes sense.
Quote from: stranger90 on Jun 09, 04:02 PM 2021
I was into precognition for a while but like anything else it bored me to death because I am a lazy and easily distracted individual.
So I fell into that trap of thinking there has to be a simple winning system, again...and I was testing some theories with Martingale Simulator on Rsim, till I got bored...
Then I tried something new, think of a number and bet 200 spins with Martingale 10 unit bet, 2 progression factor, max bet 1,000. Started with a -20k dip but then to my astonishment it grew to 2.5 million in less than half an hour just under 10k spins. Must say I doubled the bet unit each time I made a 300-500k growth.
My point is: maybe precognition works better when you put a bunch of forces to work, like large numbers-10k spins, 200 at once, some Martingale, huge bankroll if playing for money, lots of patience, hmmm thoughts?
Edit: Most of times changed the number for every 200 new spins but also I felt that I should bet 0 for 3 times in a row, each time it brought a consistent profit. Got to a state where I was 100% sure that I picked the right number and if I pressed SPIN I will see a big green profit, that is a very pleasant state that puts law of attraction to work.
precognition is shit ;D :D :o 8) ::) :twisted: :lol: O0 :xd: :wink: :girl_to:
some people say i got bored to not say i lost >:D :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
I am actually happy that you are a silly loser, cause you make it really easy for one to wish you ill.
because if you wish it, it will happen :thumbsup: :xd: O0 :twisted: :girl_to: :girl_to: :girl_to: :girl_to:
Quote from: ati on Jun 09, 03:36 AM 2021The (Px/P) and (Bx/B) values can never be greater than 1. So if your played spins and amount bet are both higher then the average of all players, your rank is simply the win rate * 1 * 1
The current average for played spins is 347.21
The current average for amount bet is 138,681.73
Sorry ati, only just noticed your post. Thanks for that.
Quote from: gianfrancopierino on Jun 14, 03:52 PM 2021precognition is shit
Well precogmiles has demonstrated that it isn’t, multiple times on two different sites.
Can you or anyone else point me in the direction of where I can see a system delivering long term success?
I am genuinely interested.
Quote from: Klausy on Jun 18, 11:18 AM 2021Can you or anyone else point me in the direction of where I can see a system delivering long term success?
You won't see that. A consistent winning system is extremely valuable, but no one can prove its existence without exposing it. A home made chart cannot be validated, and on public simulators you can't hide a system from the admins.
A quick update from me, since it's been exactly one month since I have started to record my progress with psychic roulette.
In 31 days I played 628 spins and won 1046 units. That's 1.66 units return per spin on average.
All flat bet, I bet on mostly just 1 number per spin, never more than 3 numbers. I played on all 31 days, and only lost 4 of them.
It think this result is actually worse than what I have had in previous months. I even wrote some time ago that I was averaging 100 units profit per day. But even this decision to record my results put extra pressure on me, so I started to perform worse. I was too concerned about winning every session.
The mind is a very fragile thing. Even though I have won thousands of units in the past six months or so while practicing and I clearly have an edge, I still do very poorly if I play for real money. And I actually still consider myself bad at this. I probably need at least a year more practice to become a consistent winner.
Quote from: ati on Jun 18, 06:10 PM 2021
A quick update from me, since it's been exactly one month since I have started to record my progress with psychic roulette.
In 31 days I played 628 spins and won 1046 units. That's 1.66 units return per spin on average.
All flat bet, I bet on mostly just 1 number per spin, never more than 3 numbers. I played on all 31 days, and only lost 4 of them.
It think this result is actually worse than what I have had in previous months. I even wrote some time ago that I was averaging 100 units profit per day. But even this decision to record my results put extra pressure on me, so I started to perform worse. I was too concerned about winning every session.
The mind is a very fragile thing. Even though I have won thousands of units in the past six months or so while practicing and I clearly have an edge, I still do very poorly if I play for real money. And I actually still consider myself bad at this. I probably need at least a year more practice to become a consistent winner.
Very impressive winrate. How many numbers are you playing a day?
The average was 20 spins per day. The fewest was 6 spins on one day, the most was 40 spins, and most of the time just one number for one spin.
This was also an experiment, because normally I play one number for four spins. My profits were higher when I played more spins, but the bankroll swings were also higher. I hate drawdowns, so I try to minimize them by playing just one number. With 3-4 numbers/bet it's so easy to lose 50-100 units on a bad day.
Also, this average of 20 spins/day took me about 60 to 90 minutes to play every day. It is perhaps surprising, but my method is to see the numbers, I don't bet on feelings or on hunches, and sometimes the numbers take their time to appear, especially if my focus is bad.
There is so much room for improvement. In his few videos Nowun had a 2.61 units per spin return, and there are people who can do even better.
Precogmiles
I keep seeing you today on R-sim. What are you really trying to do?
Now if you was to give what you actualy do not loads of vids. Explain how you go about seeing the number, then I might give it a go.
I've told on here how i dreamt about the vaccination and what i dreamt happened.
So, unless you give precise details then I can't try or waste my time.
Fair play to you for trying.
Quote from: ati on Jun 18, 06:10 PM 2021In 31 days I played 628 spins and won 1046 units. That's 1.66 units return per spin on average.
Another month has passed, and this time I played with real money. Even though I only used 1 cent units, the results were very disappointing.
This month I played 645 spins and lost 94 units.
Obviously I don't care about losing 94 cents, but my mind seems to have a strong emotional attachment to money, and this is one of the hardest obstacles that need to be overcome. And since I only bet on one number, it could have easily been a positive result with just 3 or 4 more winning bets.
The good news is that this time I didn't lose every bet like the last time I tried real money play. In fact, I had one more winning sessions than losing ones, but the losses were bigger than the winnings.
And at least I didn't mess up the bet size, like that time a couple months ago when I thought I was in practice mode and I made bigger bets, but it was real money. It was a costly mistake :P
Quote from: ati on Jul 24, 02:00 PM 2021Another month has passed, and this time I played with real money. Even though I only used 1 cent units, the results were very disappointing.
This month I played 645 spins and lost 94 units.
Obviously I don't care about losing 94 cents, but my mind seems to have a strong emotional attachment to money, and this is one of the hardest obstacles that need to be overcome. And since I only bet on one number, it could have easily been a positive result with just 3 or 4 more winning bets.
The good news is that this time I didn't lose every bet like the last time I tried real money play. In fact, I had one more winning sessions than losing ones, but the losses were bigger than the winnings.
And at least I didn't mess up the bet size, like that time a couple months ago when I thought I was in practice mode and I made bigger bets, but it was real money. It was a costly mistake
Sorry to hear that ati.
Similar story for me, nothing happening for a long while now. I know the state of mind I need to get into for it to work but this takes time and preparation (sleep, exercise, diet etc) and I just don’t have the time and am constantly busy so I’ve tried ways to cut corners and it just doesn’t work.
It doesn’t surprise me that the emotional attachment of betting real money affects you as I know the conditions (for me at least) have to be perfect.
Hope things improve for you soon.
Thanks Kalusy. I hope too, because it's been almost a year of daily practice and I'm nowhere near good enough to beat the house.
This week was quite unsuccessful, I've lost 88 units but I'm still up 68 units for the month.
The thing is, as soon as I started to play for real money, my ability to see the numbers has greatly diminished. I often spend up to 20 minutes focusing before a bet, but I just can't see the numbers as clearly as I used to.
When I was practicing it was much easier. I have a bunch of screenshots of my wins on the very first spins, but I don't have those first spin wins anymore. I can't even remember when I had more than one winning spins in one session. In practice mode I used to have two, three or even more. I still only bet one number per spin, and I do around 20 spins per hour.
Good luck to you and all!
Quote from: ati on Jul 24, 02:00 PM 2021This month I played 645 spins and lost 94 units.
I've just finished the last session of the month.
624 spins
31 units profit
I'm having terrible results lately. In the past four days I played 114 spins and I lost all of them. My subconscious really doesn't want me to play for real money, but I will keep going.
Occasionally I play a few spins on my mobile in fun mode, and the results are drastically different. 132 spins, 163 units profit.
Quote from: ati on Aug 31, 05:46 PM 2021I've just finished the last session of the month.
624 spins
31 units profit
I'm having terrible results lately. In the past four days I played 114 spins and I lost all of them. My subconscious really doesn't want me to play for real money, but I will keep going.
Occasionally I play a few spins on my mobile in fun mode, and the results are drastically different. 132 spins, 163 units profit.
If it helps: Over the last week or two I’ve stepped things up and wouldn’t say it hat overall I’m any more or less successful but I’ve been paying more attention to try and understand why I have better days than others. If I have anything on my mind (like something I need to do, something I’ve done that I regret etc) this is a massive block. I play much better with a clear mind and it sounds like you have a mental block with regards to winning real money.
Is it a moral question? Ie do you feel that you would in some way be cheating if you were successful? Or is it that you are worried about losing hard earned money?
You are right, I definitely have several mental blocks in my subconscious. For example in all my life whenever I gambled, I always lost. I never cashed out winnings, so it became hard to believe that it is possible.
Also, if a desire or manifestation of something (in my case winning money) comes from lack and scarcity, it will most likely not work.
I see some improvement in the results, but not in the difficulty of seeing the future numbers. When I was practicing, the numbers appeared much more easily and darker on a piece of paper. It felt almost too easy to win. With real money I can barely see anything. The numbers are extremely faint and less accurate.
Quote from: ati on Sep 01, 04:10 AM 2021You are right, I definitely have several mental blocks in my subconscious. For example in all my life whenever I gambled, I always lost. I never cashed out winnings, so it became hard to believe that it is possible.
Also, if a desire or manifestation of something (in my case winning money) comes from lack and scarcity, it will most likely not work.
I see some improvement in the results, but not in the difficulty of seeing the future numbers. When I was practicing, the numbers appeared much more easily and darker on a piece of paper. It felt almost too easy to win. With real money I can barely see anything. The numbers are extremely faint and less accurate.
Not wanting to state the obvious but it sounds like you need to address that.
It sounds like persevering on without getting to the root cause is going to keep holding you back.
From 1 of your games today
hi.i study kimo li way when you play you must have the matrix 32of european roulette. when you are 12 numbers of a permanence, take the last two numbers and place on matrix after look from 1 to 12 numbers of permanence a number that is or on pie or on stars when you have this number for example on pie of one of the two last numbers, put it on other pie the two last numbers, and after how they are on matrix make the strategy nuke,hemi or bowtie. for example exite 16 and 27 and back i find the number6 on pie 6 you put 33 on pie 5. so we are strategy nuke 6 33 35 25 5 7. prove and say to me
Quote from: ati on Aug 31, 05:46 PM 2021In the past four days I played 114 spins and I lost all of them.
Luckily the bad run ended yesterday. It was still very hard to see the numbers, it took me half an hour of focus to decide on number 22.
First spin came 11, so I felt a bit disappointed because these two numbers look too similar and can be easily mixed up. Then I gave it another chance, and the second spin was 22. 8)
Quote from: ati on Sep 02, 03:21 AM 2021Luckily the bad run ended yesterday. It was still very hard to see the numbers, it took me half an hour of focus to decide on number 22.
First spin came 11, so I felt a bit disappointed because these two numbers look too similar and can be easily mixed up. Then I gave it another chance, and the second spin was 22.
Good to hear it, I admire your dedication to stick at it for 30 minutes!
Quote from: ati on Sep 02, 03:21 AM 2021
Luckily the bad run ended yesterday. It was still very hard to see the numbers, it took me half an hour of focus to decide on number 22.
First spin came 11, so I felt a bit disappointed because these two numbers look too similar and can be easily mixed up. Then I gave it another chance, and the second spin was 22. 8)
Good to hear it is finally working for you.
Do you always play just 1 number?
Almost always, I'd say 95% of the time just one number.
I don't keep a detailed journal, but it's quite possible that I would have more profits if I bet neighbors too, or bigger wheel sectors. I often hit the correct sector and neighbors, but I don't bet the correct number.
When I do my focus, I always see several different numbers, and almost always three of them are next to each other on the wheel. In that case I bet the middle one. I heard that the same happens to others too who practice this.
My main goal currently is not really about profit, but to improve the accuracy and the time required to see the numbers.
yep
Yesterday I played over an hour with real money and lost every bet. Then after a short break I decided to try play money, and I won 99 units in 7 spins 🤷â€â™,ï¸ This just proves again that there is a mental blockage. Even though I play with 1 cent bets and the wins or losses have very little value.
On my mobile app -which is again not real money- I still have good results, currently 2.03 units profit per spin.
A fun thing happened the other day. I was at work listening to a presentation, when I started focusing on the projector screen. Within half a minute a faint 6 appeared. I quickly forgot about it, then later at home just before I went to bed, I remembered that I saw that 6. So I opened up my roulette app, placed a bet on 6 and won on the very first spin. Things like this happen sometimes and it's awesome :)
A while ago I was watching a weird movie where a smoke turned into a number 8. I quickly paused the movie, placed a bet on 8 and won on the very first spin.
This kind of intuition only works when it comes naturally, without trying. If I think about betting on the time for example before looking at the clock, it won't work. But sometimes when I look at the clock and see for example 15:33, and a feeling comes that I should bet on these numbers, I more likely to win.
@Ati, are you interested in doing a precognition collab in person?
Quote from: ati on Sep 21, 04:04 AM 2021
A fun thing happened the other day. I was at work listening to a presentation, when I started focusing on the projector screen. Within half a minute a faint 6 appeared. I quickly forgot about it, then later at home just before I went to bed, I remembered that I saw that 6. So I opened up my roulette app, placed a bet on 6 and won on the very first spin. Things like this happen sometimes and it's awesome :)
A while ago I was watching a weird movie where a smoke turned into a number 8. I quickly paused the movie, placed a bet on 8 and won on the very first spin.
This kind of intuition only works when it comes naturally, without trying. If I think about betting on the time for example before looking at the clock, it won't work. But sometimes when I look at the clock and see for example 15:33, and a feeling comes that I should bet on these numbers, I more likely to win.
Very interesting, any idea why you think this works?
Quote from: Kairomancer on Sep 21, 06:34 PM 2021
@Ati, are you interested in doing a precognition collab in person?
It could be fun, so maybe, but probably not in the near future.
Quote from: precogmiles on Sep 22, 10:07 AM 2021
Very interesting, any idea why you think this works?
No idea. Could be instant manifestation that requires a very strong belief or faith. I think it happens to everyone all the time in all kind of situations, but people don't notice it, or think about it.
Quote from: ati on Sep 23, 07:56 AM 2021
No idea. Could be instant manifestation that requires a very strong belief or faith. I think it happens to everyone all the time in all kind of situations, but people don't notice it, or think about it.
When I was younger I used to get lots of little things like that - not numbers but things like hearing sentences that later on people will say to you, thinking of an old song and hearing it later on the radio, a sense of if you will have a good or bad day etc. The more receptive I became to them, the more I would get.
I think you’re right, everyone gets these to some degree or other.
Interesting quote from a book.
"went through a four-day period of growing apprehension knowing before people
spoke what they would say, knowing, before they turned corners and appeared, that they
were coming. A disturbing experience, it left questions on the dry beach, shook my
anchor of calm. When Something started urging me to visit Las Vegas, I was reluctant to
go. I made the trip the next week apprehensive, but even more desirous of getting rid of
Something's urging. I took five dollars with me and walked about Las Vegas, clutching
my money and fearful of gambling it away. Something kept me rooted at one wheel and
Something urged me violently to play a certain number at a certain time. I played a dollar
chip and won. I waited, rooted, got another strong urge, played, won again. I played six
times, won six times, and found myself with a purse full of money. Something stopped
giving me numbers. I stopped playing and came home.
Something seemed to have extraordinary talents. I was grateful for the money
which was sorely needed, but the anchor was rocking badly. Something abruptly
unscrewed its odd attachment and stopped extending."
Quote from: precogmiles on Dec 11, 12:01 PM 2021
Interesting quote from a book.
"went through a four-day period of growing apprehension knowing before people
spoke what they would say, knowing, before they turned corners and appeared, that they
were coming. A disturbing experience, it left questions on the dry beach, shook my
anchor of calm. When Something started urging me to visit Las Vegas, I was reluctant to
go. I made the trip the next week apprehensive, but even more desirous of getting rid of
Something's urging. I took five dollars with me and walked about Las Vegas, clutching
my money and fearful of gambling it away. Something kept me rooted at one wheel and
Something urged me violently to play a certain number at a certain time. I played a dollar
chip and won. I waited, rooted, got another strong urge, played, won again. I played six
times, won six times, and found myself with a purse full of money. Something stopped
giving me numbers. I stopped playing and came home.
Something seemed to have extraordinary talents. I was grateful for the money
which was sorely needed, but the anchor was rocking badly. Something abruptly
unscrewed its odd attachment and stopped extending."
Sounds intriguing, whats the book called?
Quote from: Klausy on Dec 11, 02:24 PM 2021
Sounds intriguing, whats the book called?
Operators and things
Great stuff. There are a few organisations like this that try and apply scientific tests to esp (IONS another one).
There is a world of possibilities well beyond winning a few quid on roulette just waiting to be discovered.
Quote from: Klausy on Mar 27, 07:37 AM 2022
Great stuff. There are a few organisations like this that try and apply scientific tests to esp (IONS another one).
There is a world of possibilities well beyond winning a few quid on roulette just waiting to be discovered.
Yes so much possibilities with this ability.
wow..... all done live too.
If you are interested in learning this and other things that you have posted videos about, look up mind power kinesis on youtube and FB. They have paid courses to learn these abilities. I signed up for the telekinesis course, there are 10 more seats available if anyone interested. Just drop them a message on FB or in email, they will provide you with info about the options and costs.
I’d be interested to hear how you get on with it.
I have spent time on this without any success so am still not sure if this is a real phenomena. Have you had any success with it or is that what you are doing the course for?
I have had some success, sometimes I can move a light object in a closed container with the energy coming out of my hands. But doing telekinesis isn't my main goal. The course teaches other things, such as developing intuition, feeling the energy of any object and "seeing" with your hands. As demonstrated in these videos youtu.be/Hy4YubkcdPU youtu.be/UREmc64DHQs
There are countless potential application of working with energies, I guess one could even feel the energy of the next roulette number.
Time will tell if I can develop and make any use of these abilities.
It does sound interesting, please let us know how it goes.
Here's my take on the game of Roulette after 5 years of doing extensive research, testing and real play with all sorts of Systems & Methods out there. Being that for a FACT, Roulette is indeed COMPLETELY RANDOM -- Thus any Results from actual Play or Testing is also COMPLETELY RANDOM. Which means that just because a System or Method is seemingly working and proven successful for some players, that DOES NOT mean it WILL work for other players as well. Again, the game of Roulette is COMPLETELY RANDOM. Hence, Play Results are COMPLETELY RANDOM.
A good example are Statistics with Driving a vehicle. Esurance statistics shows that 77% of drivers have been in at least one accident. So that would imply that 23% of drivers have never experienced an accident. SO, does that mean just because these 23% have never been in accident, that you'll NEVER get into an accident ALSO??? LIKEWISE with the game of Roulette! ;-)
Odd place to post that as this is a precognition thread in the outside the box section as total randomness sits just fine with us but I think there will be some other types of players who might take exception with that.
Here's my take on precogmiles and his "MPR holy grail proof"...
Quote from: ati on Apr 07, 03:27 PM 2022
If you are interested in learning this and other things that you have posted videos about, look up mind power kinesis on youtube and FB. They have paid courses to learn these abilities. I signed up for the telekinesis course, there are 10 more seats available if anyone interested. Just drop them a message on FB or in email, they will provide you with info about the options and costs.
How is the course going, making any progress?
Any updates? Are you guys still practicing precongition?
Yes, well that sort of thing, but I don't think there's anyone left round here who is that interested in hearing about it.
@Klausy Good to hear that you are still around. I think it would be nice for those interested to sort of create a group, where we can discuss ideas and share our progress, like on telegram,discord,skype, etc. What do you think of this?
Precognition is one of the most mind blowing things that I have discovered in my life that's for sure and now have no doubt at all that it's real, as I myself have been playing for small stakes and have had some success.
So what I have learned is that, for me at least, it's manifestation. Ironically I now realise that in all likelihood the "systems" people who for years I didn't believe could possibly beat the Maths could well be doing so as they are unknowingly manifesting a winning system as they totally believe in it.
Once I understood we can actively change our reality, roulette loses importance although I'm grateful that I was interested as it got me to where I am now.
I'd suggest if you are interested going over to Reddit and joining r/NevilleGoddard, r/JosephMurphy and r/lawofattraction and getting hold of a copy of The Power Of Your Subconscious Mind by Murphy.
Very interesting, this is something that I thought about as well. I totally believe in manifestation and have done so before actively in my life with other things. I guess this could also very well be another form of manifestation or actually precognition as nowun described - I know bet on 1 or 2 numbers max, and when it truly comes, it hits you like a light bulb I can confirm this. This is when I place the bet with 0 doubt and knowing already that it will hit.
For myself the idea of beating casino (for any amount) gives me a lot of joy and the possibility of in the future of earning a potential decent supplemental income with this is very attractive.
I have been playing for small stakes (20 cents online and 1 euro live at casino) and have had quite a bit of success. Playing for money is a lot more psychologically challenging than playing for play money and this is why I would recommend to shift into real money once you know you win at least a little more than break even on consistent basis.
This is really the future of AP imo and it's something that cannot be countered or stopped in any way.
Good to hear you are having success and agree, it is a knowing that something will come to pass which is key to the process. It's not an easy thing to get to, it's almost like you have to have success to realise that it actually works, that then removes self doubt and it gets easier after that.
Re. Your earlier question, please let me if you find a decent discord group, I'm always interested in improving. I have joined a couple and posted about this but it didn't really get any traction as it was more of a general spiritual group so lots of different interests.
Quote from: Klausy on Aug 04, 03:34 PM 2023... please let me if you find a decent discord group, I'm always interested in improving. I have joined a couple and posted about this but it didn't really get any traction as it was more of a general spiritual group so lots of different interests.
Me too, more interested in practical use in daily life instead of spiritual discussions. As far as I have explored, there are at least 4 phases in precognition: 1) noise - results not useful 2) result second close to answer 3) result usually next to answer 4) result = answer. For ordinary people who can't maintain consistent drill, phase 2 is the most common phase we could achieve. Did you find similarly or different?
Coming from a manifestation angle, I find that if you want success then it's phases 2 and 3 as if you bet defensively (bet adjacent numbers or finals) then the bankroll will increase slowly - slightly more wins than losses.
To speed success up, there needs to be a real commitment to a specific number and an unwavering belief that it will arrive.
I agree klausy. From my research I believe it is about manifestation too. I believe now that there is a type of force that influences all our actions. Learning how to harness this force is what many ancient societies did in the past, through ritual magic, offerings prayers etc. This force was deified into gods like fortuna or lakshmi. No matter what you do in life this force influences it.
The best approach I think is to try theurgy. Magic to do with bonding could also be a good try.
Not heard of theurgy but looks very interesting. I'm able to manifest but don't understand how I'm able to do it and why sometimes it comes easily and other times not at all, this looks like it might be able to provide some answers.
@Klausy I think it could very well be a manifestation (As I used some techniques for other things in life), but what I found is that I still have success even when I have some doubt and not exactly sure about the number. So the question for me is, how useful is viewing it from a manifestation angle to achieve the result?
I have re-read Nowun's thread at least 5 times and found his thread to be the most useful, and he didn't mention manifestation in there. Although it could easily be manifestation and he may not be even aware of it, who knows
@Precogmiles Good to see that you are still around! How is your progress with this? Are you still practicing and playing?
Will be forever grateful to you for creating this thread on precognition - you motivated and opened me to this world of precognition/manifestation :)
Hey winforus, good to see you aer doing well. I still practice everyday. I get good results but my aim is to understand why and how this phenomena happens so I'm focusing on that.
I believe there are multiple objective realities. As strange as that sounds I it makes sense when you see this world as an illusion or shadow of true reality.
Concentration plays a big role in manifestation or magic. Read about Bill bengston and his image cycling technique it works for healing.
The force I mentioned previously is like the wind current or anything else that has fluid motion. The techniques you need are like building sails on a boat or jet engines for a plane. But even the best ships or planes sink and crash.
The relationship between precognition and manifestation is interesting and seems contradictory but once you accept the idea of multiple objective realities it seems more clear.
Check out the roulette warriors YouTube channel, they do the same as nowun, but gave more insights. They talk about manifestation too. I didn't understand it initially but now makes much more sense.
Ultimately none of this is new, the ancients have talked about these ideas for thousands of years. We just need to go back and read.
Winforus, re. your point to me (sorry can't work out how to quote)
@Klausy I think it could very well be a manifestation (As I used some techniques for other things in life), but what I found is that I still have success even when I have some doubt and not exactly sure about the number. So the question for me is, how useful is viewing it from a manifestation angle to achieve the result?
I find for me what works best is the concept of living in the end that Neville Goddard spoke of. You might be betting on a 15. The concept is that you already have the 15 as if pressing the spin button automatically returns a 15. The most important aspect is the feeling state, an assumption that it is already decided and you need not attach any importance to it and it's like flicking a light switch where you know the light will come on, you don't need to hope the bulb lights up, it's an automatic assumption that it will happen. Hoping is you assuming the number can arrive but the odds say it won't, you need to feel that it's already there and what is displayed on screen will show just that.
It's not an easy concept to successfully practice but Goddard, Murphy et al say that when you truly grasp it, your subconscious that creates this reality has no choice but to give it to you.
@Precogmiles Are you still practicing for play money or have you already shifted into practicing with small stakes? And what is your end goal with this?
I can definitely accept the idea of multiple objective realities. And I agree that concentration and fully being present in the moment is the key - this will allow you to separate the noise from your precognition/intuition.
@Klausy My approach is very similar. I just try to feel the numbers and once the number shows up - it's like a lightbulb, I have 0 doubt in my mind that it will come and it always comes. Nowun also mentioned this - the only difference is how you explain this phenonemon I guess.
Once I was able to see the difference between the noise in the mind and made up numbers vs actual numbers that came up with precognition - it changed everything for me.
The only challenge is once the number comes, it can be hard for me to get the next number due to excitement or sometimes it's just noise, so this is something I am still working on.
@winforus, If I could make a suggestion, you could try manifesting clarity, ie. before you begin be confident that you will have a really successful session with no noise and will take all your wins in your stride and really believe what you are telling yourself.
When I think back to my pre-Manifestation days, I remember being more successful when I was in a good frame of mind but I didn't think to try to get into that mindset beforehand.
@Klausy What I found was that if I am done with all the tasks and responsibilities for the day and free, then almost always I will have a successful session. If I am stressed about something or something now is on my mind that requires to be solved - I avoid playing. I guess it can vary from person to person, as everyone's minds work differently.
Being able to be present in the moment, relaxed and focused just on Roulette is really the key, and I guess how to get in this state can be done in different ways.
This is the reason why I don't play everyday or much as I want to, such as during the challenging times of my marketing business.
Yes absolutely, it's different from person to person.
Good point re. completing all tasks. I read something a long while ago that a productive day where you complete all your tasks induces a certain brain state (I don't remember if it was alpha, beta or theta) that heightens psychic abilities.
Winforus yes I do both but my objective is beyond roulette. I want to understand what the underlying mechanism of this phenomenon is.
This video is still very relevant
Higher mind could be seen as what Greeks referred to as diamons and Romans as genius.
Everywhere throught the ancient literature you find the referencing this phenomena/force. Something outside of logic and rationale.
Materialists do not have a deep understanding of causation. They take it on faith that inductive reasoning should be the basis of understanding reality and empiricism leads to facts about reality.
If anyone thinks deeply about causation they will understand how much of our experience with reality is an illusion.
My opinion is that the physical reality we experience is nothing more than one manifestation of reality.
In my view dual aspect monism seems the more sensible paradigm of reality.
I'm still trying to nail down the perfect method and develop a set of principles that others can use to improve their methods.
Pain and physical stress should be relieved or eliminated.
You must make an intention or request.
You send that intension or request to the higher mind.
While making the request it is best to be in trance or eliminate all thought.
If you can not calm your inner chatter down you can over come it by distraction.
This is to counter act doubt.
The logical mind creates doubt in its nature. Being in trance or hypnosis can overcome doubt.
Doubt interferes with the intension.
Your aim is to send your intention clearly for the higher mind so your request can materialise by way of resonance.
The only thought allowed is without words. This is the kind of thinking that happens when you are in the flow state.
You will know whn you have the right answer or result by a feeling in the gut, just like the way you know 1+1=2.
Here is a simple experiment. Start by focusing on your toes, study them with your minds eye. Focus on their shape, texture, skin, nails. Concentrate and examine them as if you are about to write an essay about them. Spend 2 mins doing this. NOW suddenly while you are engrossed in that task I want you to focus on your ears and begin to do the same with your ears. Examine and concentrate on your ears while simultaneously still focusing on your toes.
While you attempt this, imagine I asked you to tell me which number you know for CERTAIN will come next. This is the frame of mind I aim to have.
The last video is to just explain the type of certainty needed. You can ignore all the ramtha school BS.
Another interesting video
Here is a simple experiment. Start by focusing on your toes, study them with your minds eye. Focus on their shape, texture, skin, nails. Concentrate and examine them as if you are about to write an essay about them. Spend 2 mins doing this. NOW suddenly while you are engrossed in that task I want you to focus on your ears and begin to do the same with your ears. Examine and concentrate on your ears while simultaneously still focusing on your toes.
While you attempt this, imagine I asked you to tell me which number you know for CERTAIN will come next. This is the frame of mind I aim to have.
I like this. I've also been experimenting with ways of instructing the subconscious mind and detaching, allowing it to bring the intention to fruition. As you say, doubt interferes with this. With traditional manifestation, where the timeframe can be weeks or months before it realises, it's easier to forget about what you want and so there is less interference. With roulette, the timeframe is seconds so it's not easy to detach so you have to distract the conscious mind to stop it thinking/worrying about the outcome.
On a simple level, you can set the intention (16 WILL be the next number, it's already decided) and then basically don't care if it comes to pass. To do this, there would need to be no stress if the number doesn't come up (small bet relative the remaining bankroll) and have the conscious mind occupied with something else (watching the tv at the same time).
Hi Precogmiles,
I know it's a bit off topic, but I'm interested that you mention "diamons".
Just wondered where you get this reference of diamons being a Greek higher mind.
Is this the same as the diamons meaning spirit or higher being? Tried to Google but there is little information..
Cheers
Dave
Klausy, that is a great technique and it's good to see us arriving at more or less the same conclusions. So few people have been practicing this for years that cross referencing our findings is hard. Gotpsi/psiresearch should of had a forum, then we could have made real progress sharing ideas.
Research John Palmers work on disassociation and motor automation.
Very interesting that ingo swann invented the use of ideograms in CRV because he noticed that himself and others would do an initial almost intuitive squiggle before attempting to guess.
These ideograms to me prepresent a way of thinking without words. Once words and logic enter your mind you break the resonance you had with the higher mind.
Allaboutheaven.org has good material on the subject. Her model is very useful in understanding what techniques to try.
She suggested either using overload or suppression.
It seems ultimately logic, thinking and words seem to be the biggest barrier.
My theory is resonance is the key. Just like a favourable wind, when your aims align with the underlying force of reality, you transcend what is seen as normal or normal probability. You enter the realm of the anomalous. Where the improbable becomes reality.
Causation no longer exists and you are one with ultimate reality.
The higher mind seems to be somewhat of a greater extention then a single person.
The best analogy I can think of is the monkey trap,we as humans are stuck on logic and reasoning even when letting go would be the smart thing to do.
Hi Daveylibra,
Diamons/daimons or daemons are what I mean. Yes spirts if you will. But it seems to me rather strange that many cultures have the same concepts.
The oldest book found in Europe is the derveni papyrus, which contains parts about daimones. The idea from my understanding is borrowed from ancient Egyptian ideas.
It is my belief that much of ancient Egyptian religion is centered around an understanding of hidden forces, they symbolised them with numerous gods. The same for ancient taoist philosophy.
The ancient Egyptians had God's with different animal heads. Each one a symbol or tool to achieve their goal. If one God did not work they would use another. They would also use different techniques to call upon these spirits to do their bidding.
In magic you have the concept of binding, which is nothing more than resonance. If you take out all of the historical baggage words like spirit and deamon have you are left with something very simple.
All throughout history we see humanity engage with hidden forces they usually attribute to an intelligent entity i.e spirits. We today can approach these phenomena with a fresh pair of eyes.
We can study which practices have persisted throughout the millennia. For example, sacrifice, offerings, prayer, sympathetic rituals, chants, etc...
The question I am trying to solve is simple. Imagine two people are randomly selected from the streets they are allowed 1 bet each on roulette. One person picks number 4 and another picks 23. The wheel spins and the ball lands on 23. The question is, sure the "probability" is 1/36, but why did it that person guess right?
I believe regression to the mean is a force of nature and as such can be manipulated and in some cases overcome. As long as you have the right tools.
@precogmiles
Thanks as ever for the new avenues to explore. I have seen references to the sort of thing that Bentov is referring to, it is a fascinating topic. He refers to meditation to speed things up, are there any particular meditations that you use? I tend to just try to quieten the mind wile in the present and I've not come across a mediation which really takes me any deeper than that.
Also, yes you are right that there seems to be so few people doing this and really encouraging that we are generally going in the same direction. I'll be forever thankful to Steve for creating this site as it's a fantastic resource.
On psi research, I have not been on there for a while but when I used to play regularly there was one user who got ridiculous scores all the time, would have loved there to have been a forum to ask questions to them on their techniques.
Yes meditation is important to learn to quieten your mind.
Guided meditation can sometimes get you there faster.
This is a good one
And this
Many thanks, I'll give these a try
@Precogmiles Good to see that you are still learning and are so persistent with this. I find your theory quite interesting, but for myself now it's all about trying to get the mind quiet and concentrated. If I can do this, I know I will have success.
@Klausy I also found that most of the time when the number hits, I usually don't think about the result/outcome. This is why I now avoid watching the the ball spin and roulette - as I found when I watch it and want it to hit too badly, it almost always misses. So once I set the number (usually up to 6 spins on a single number), I just watch the result after the has already dropped. Being totally free from the end result is really the key.
Hi winforus.
Yes I agree, emotional attachment to the result can cause it to not happen, good idea to just await the results.
In fact I read sometime ago (maybe on this forum) someone saying that they would frequently focus on one number, try and get it over a series of spins, not get it, then change to another number and the original number drops first spin. It sounds like if this happens often enough then there is an attachment issue that is released when focus moves to another number.
In RSim, I would just often focus on the win/loss result immediately after spinning (where it shows a loss in red or profit in green). By just clicking spin and focusing on this result, ie just naturally expecting green digits, it does help disassociate with the number being spun.
Klausy, very interesting insight and something I have never thought about. It happened to me very often in the past and still happens sometimes - when I change the number and the number that I originally bet on hits immediately right after.
Nowun's explanation was that you are just out of sync and when you are out of sync it happens. But your theory that this is an attachment issue makes a lot of sense actually.
When I play online, I play with live roulette table as I don't fully trust RNG and don't want to use it as an excuse in case something goes wrong. So for me, what works best is to pick a number, and just bet on it, while distracting myself with some other activity like reading something or watching a video.
And the most times that I had the success, is when I was distracted and almost totally forgot about the roulette, while automatically repeating the bet. And vice versa, when I want the number to hit too badly it almost never comes :)
Klausy and winforus I completely concur with your findings about distraction. When attempting rsim I also find focusing on the top right win/loss area and wanting that to turn green to work, as klausy mentioned. I find that any number I select after hits quite often.
The Russian I posted before also talks about his best results coming when he is distracted or drifts from his own consciousness.
I would like some help from you guys to understand what we mean by distraction.
How engrossed do you guys become on the distraction?
Is the roulette selection still in the back of your minds while in a distracted state?
Do you feel a sense of defeat, resignation or giving up on the number you wanted?
How long does the distraction last for?
@winforus
Nowun's explanation was that you are just out of sync and when you are out of sync it happens
Interesting, I've not read nowun's posts, will do so.
When I play online, I play with live roulette table as I don't fully trust RNG and don't want to use it as an excuse in case something goes wrong. So for me, what works best is to pick a number, and just bet on it, while distracting myself with some other activity like reading something or watching a video.
And the most times that I had the success, is when I was distracted and almost totally forgot about the roulette, while automatically repeating the bet. And vice versa, when I want the number to hit too badly it almost never comes :)
Yes this is very familiar. I'll reply to precogmiles's post shortly on this topic
@precogmiles
I can give a non-roulette example from today for which I think the principle is the same, re. disassociation.
I read your last post while out, about 15 miles from home. I decided on the way back to do a fun experiment on the way home to see if it illustrates the issue. Basically, it is manifesting certain cars that one will see in the journey. I said to myself on the way home, I will see a cerise pink car. The key to manifesting is the feeling, not the actual outcome. By this I mean that if you want to win 1 million pounds/dollars/euros, you feel the emotions that you will experience if you had that million (I am happy and feel secure now that I have a million and relieved that I have no financial concerns). This is a tough thing to master without wishing it, you have to get into the state of already having achieved it before it actually happens.
Back to the experiment, I conjured up the feeling of elation that I had(will) manifest(ed) a cerise pink car. I then drove home and noted the cars that passed on the other side. Nothing. After a couple of minutes, I did the same process but said I would see a Lamborghini and focussed on that alone. Within 30 seconds a cerise pink Volkswagen Beetle convertible passed on the other side. I can tell you I very rarely see cerise pink cars or Lamborghinis where I live but with manifestation, if you do it right then it will happen. I believe that once I had detached from the desire of seeing the cerise pink car, it came to pass.
I know this is a small example and could easily be just chance but I do this a few times a week and often get incredible results. Please do though drive carefully whoever is reading this, I don't wish to encourage people to not concentrate when driving. It works just the same when riding a bus or just watching a road from a window.
So back to roulette, it is harder as on the drive home there are all sorts of other things the brain has to engage with (changing lanes, observing speed limits, being wary of other cars and pedestrians) so the process of disassociation is naturally easier. With roulette, if you bet on 16 then even if you try and concentrate on something else then some part of you is still aware that you are wanting a 16.
@winforus saying that good results can be achieved by watching tv or just coming back after a certain number of spins and checking results I think validates this phenomena.
One possible route is not to focus on individual spins, rather to manifest a successful session or a certain amount to be won and accept that there will be losses on the way. This can remove some of the emotional attachment to betting a certain number and it not appearing. I quite often manifest my balance to reach a certain number in the current session, it may take 5 spins or 30 spins but don't get stressed if I am not there after 5.
Thanks that's really interesting. I definitely agree with the roulette strategy of just focusing on a successful result.
So from everything we have said so far the basic principles seem to be.
1. Believe or have 100% certainty you know.
2. Envision along with emotion your intentions or goal
3. Hold that thought for some duration.
4. Distract yourself completely so the intention is no longer in your mind
Would you agree? Feel free to add or change.
Yes I think absolutely we should work towards putting together a process list. I think though that there are some fundamentals of the manifestation process which are better described elsewhere. Below is a Reddit post which goes into the general manifestation process. I'm a bit busy this evening but I will look into a roulette specific list tomorrow.
YOU MUST WANT THE FEELING OF YOUR REALITY MORE THAN THE REALITY ITSELF
I believe I already said this quote in one or multiple posts but here I want to emphasis its importance even more because it is probably one of the greatest factor when it comes to the practical knowledge of manifesting.
**YOU MUST WANT THE FEELING OF YOUR REALITY MORE THAN THE REALITY ITSELF**
Most people who "manifest", especially beginners of course, come to the point of manifesting from a place of craving, longing, desiring, idolizing and of course lack. Their focus is not really on the law factors or the knowledge but on the deep sense of wishing and hoping and quite literally idolizing what they want. So their practice is more about fantasizing about the "idol" (the circumstance, thing or person) rather than actually GENERATING and REINFORCING and EMPOWERING their inner state of having or being what they want as a state.
In a strange way most people actually train and feed their attitude of fantasizing and idolizing so ultimately pushing away what they want. This is naturally a serious issue:
because no amount of wanting or wishing or hoping or idolizing can give you what you want. Because lack energy is the opposite of having or being energy.
**YOU MUST WANT THE FEELING OF YOUR REALITY MORE THAN THE REALITY ITSELF**
Once you think you know what you want and once it is clear in your mind: you have no other choice but to give up the attitude of wanting or needing or fantasizing. I repeat: You truly must give up on wanting and everything that is related to such lack state and replace it with the FEELING or THE STATE that is associated with you actually being or having what you declared as your goal.
You may remember my other posts like "NORMALIZATION" or probably many others with the similar message because there is literally countless ways of saying the same truth, in all cases you are asked to give up on feeding despair or sense of lack and therefore forcing, wanting, needing etc.
Let me say this again; **YOU MUST WANT THE FEELING OF YOUR REALITY MORE THAN THE REALITY ITSELF**
Please understand that there is a difference between feeling that state of excitement and bliss and intense emotions related to you FANTASIZING about your desired reality AND THE ACTUAL FEELING STATE OF BEING WHAT YOU WANT TO BE. Many people still think that this is "the end" state or that it is what I teach to do, yet if you feel very emotional, crying or immense joy, **chances are** that you are more in a WORSHIP STATE rather than you being or having what you want.
ANYTHING YOU CONSIDER AS YOU AND YOURSE DOESNT INDUCE YOU IN ANY WORSHIP/IDOLIZATION STATE. This happens only when you declare that something is extremally huge for you so you give it the power to give you such an extreme bliss and therefore declare it as very difficult for you to have or be.
**YOU MUST WANT THE FEELING OF YOUR REALITY MORE THAN THE REALITY ITSELF**
**The feeling/state of you living in the end or being what you want to be means that it is your NORM.** It is your base. It is a knowing more than an emotion while it has its own feelings and emotions, of course. The more natural and "sure" it feels the more you feel calm and content and KNOWING rather than being in some trans ecstasy. I mean sure you can allow yourself those intense emotions at first or for some time but like I said chances are that they are a sign of you idolizing rather than "living the end".
Therefore I invite you to withdraw your focus from worship, idolization, wishing, wanting or generating despair and start living in that "feeling-state" of BEING-HAVING which is calm, sure and stable. So stop forcing, trying, "manifesting" and start ENJOYING AND BEING COMFORTABLE AND BEING SECURE in your INNER STATE of being.
@Precogmiles
Regarding distraction, when I am distracted I don't think about bet selection at all. In my mind, I pick a number or 2 numbers, and place the bet for 6 spins. During those 6 spins after picking the number I am distracted and just check back to repeat the bet. Once the number hits or 6 spins last, then I go back to focus and try to select a number. Then I am distracted again.
At this point I don't feel defeat/resignation that often when number doesn't come, unless if it happens for a very long streak. The mindset that I have is similar to what Klausy mentioned - I don't expect to it always hit and for me to turn profit, I just need my accuracy to be a bit higher than random (credit to Steve)
As I was writing this post, my number just hit btw :)
@Klausy
Wow, thank you for sharing this. That is amazing and incredible to read about. And a clear example of becoming detached with the cerise car appearing after you letting go of it and moving on to lamborghini.
I will see and try if I can practice like this when outside as well.
Not sure if it's related to to manifestation but now more often and often when I think about people who I haven't seen for sometime, they end up contacting me same day or next day.
Also found this to be quite interesting. Steve has talked that psychoactive herbs could potentially be helpful and recently I found that if I was to vape some cannabis before roulette session, my accuracy would improve and it would be easier to get myself to be in the present state with no noise. The key with it though would be get just enough but not crazy high, so you could focus.
Going to be experimenting more with it but so far has found it to be quite helpful
Regarding the process list and fundamentals, here is what I keep in my mind at all times when I play and how I view this process in general. Keep in mind I only play for real money now (small stakes) and still consider myself practicing.
1) Before picking a number or numbers, have a feeling that you are sure about it. Avoid betting unless you are somewhat sure/confident that the number will come! (doesn't have to be always 100%, but should be at least 50%)
2) Once you pick a number or numbers, decide for how many spins you willing to go with it before switching. Don't switch the number unless it played through the desired amount of spins that you intended to!
3) After picking the number or numbers, distract yourself with something and just check the result after the result was already shown. Be emotionally detached from the outcome - single spins don't matter, it's about the entire session itself.
4) Only play when you are finished with all the tasks/responsibilities. Avoid playing when going through life challenges, etc. If you are in a bad mood, don't play. If you are facing financial issues/struggles, also avoid playing!
5) Never play when tired and always try to be well rested
6) Your accuracy will be the highest at the beginning and will go down the longer you play. Try to keep the sessions short if possible and stop playing if you are feeling any sort of fatigue.
7) Be focused, but don't take it too seriously. Too much seriousness leads to attachment. This is just a practice for the higher stakes and your accuracy will only get better!
8 You are NOT gambling. You are getting paid by the casino for your precognition skills.
9) In the long run you will 100% make profit but you will sometimes have off days. Look at it from the long run perspective of 50-100 sessions.
10) If you miss too much and things are just off, quit for the day.
Following these principles alone has been a game changer for me.
Winforus, that is an excellent list, thank you for sharing. This looks really comprehensive, I will follow the steps and test it out.
Regarding your point on thinking of do wine and them getting in contact, the different flavours of manifestation state that what we perceive as reality - the 4D world we live in - is a reflection of our own subconscious so yes an interaction with someone in our mind can lead to them appearing in the "real world".
I found this difficult to get my head round at first, it sounds such a ridiculous concept but after being able to affect reality with intentions in the mind, you can see how it is true.
Thanks both very interesting observations.
It seems to me a change of focus/intention is important.
I wonder if the number of distractions has an impact.
This opens up new lines of enquiries. By experimenting with the following variables.
The strength of the distraction.
The number of distractions.
If you do multiple distractions what is the rate of change of distractions.
Why does distraction work?
One of the fundamentals of Manifestation is that once you are resolved that something will happen and have confidence that it will happen, there is needs to be a "letting go" to allow the universe to bring that to fruition. Maintaining an emotional attachment to it, even if you try and fool yourself you don't care will prevent it from occurring.
It is very difficult to do when you have only just made a bet but I think it is possible.
@Klausy "Regarding your point on thinking of do wine and them getting in contact, the different flavours of manifestation state that what we perceive as reality - the 4D world we live in - is a reflection of our own subconscious so yes an interaction with someone in our mind can lead to them appearing in the "real world"."
If I am understanding you correctly - you are saying that the entire world/reality that we perceive is something that we imagine or our subconscious imagines, in other words it's all a dream (not just when we dream at night) ? If so, this is something that I have thought about myself and even seem some very advanced spiritual teachers talk about.
@Precogmiles
This is not important at all. The point of "distraction" (I don't even like this word in this context), is like Klausy said, is to allow yourself to let go and not be attached to the outcome.
If I make a bet and watch, as funny as it sounds, I feel a bit nervous/anxious in my body and feel attached, wanting the number to come.
So when I pick 1 or 2 numbers, and decide to play them until number hits or misses for 6 spins, there is really no need for me to be thinking about roulette or to be focused on it. I am free to do any other activity, while awaiting the result of the spin.
Also I am totally okay with missing, because weather the number hits now or later, I know that I will make profit regardless in the long run, because my accuracy is by far better than random. In other words, I know that my bets are +EV (positive expected value) in my mind and I have an edge
@winforus - "do wine" was supposed to say someone, weird auto-correct.
Yes, in the manifestation school of thought, our imagination is the "real world", what we see is a 4D representation of what the universe has constructed based on our thoughts and imaginations. I admit it's not something I'm fully sold on yet however the more I experience in the "4D world" being influenced by what is going on in my head, the more a compelling argument it becomes.
The beauty of it is, anyone can validate it for themselves if they want to.
@Klausy
6 years ago I was at a festival and there was a man who was giving a lecture on shamanism. I walked into the middle of the lecture and shortly after he said this: "anything that can you can imagine is real in this world. One girl raised her hand and asked: "what about a pink unicorn?" His answer was - "Yes, you take a pink color, you take the unicorn, you combine them together and you get a pink unicorn". At the time I didn't understand the significance of what he said, but now I think he was saying something that very much aligns with what you are saying here.
Hi Winforus.
Yes so I think that does highlight a good point, we do have limiting beliefs ie. That unicorns don't exist, so no matter how much we meditate, affirm, detach etc our minds know that unicorns don't exist so we won't be able to manifest one up.
If we have some background belief that we can't manifest a winning roulette number then again no matter what process we follow, it won't happen as the conscious mind is telling the subconscious mind that it can't happen.
A theory from richard miller, best of my understanding:
Psi energy is what make these anomalous events happen.
Psi energy is more similar to information than energy.
Psi is not limited by time.
Psi = A(e)*I(c)*t
A(e) = geographical constant
I(c) = intensity of concentration
t = time
The generation of psi decreases the level of alertness.
The steps are:
1. Formulate the question
2. Hold that thought for as long as possible
3. Assume that the event has occurred
4. Drop into a blank mind state
The blank mind state is the zen form of "no mind" state.
Hi, what is geographical constant in this context?
I'm not sure really he didn't mention much about it but if you rearrange the formula you get A(e) = the rate of change of psi as a function of time multiplied by the intensity of concentration.
I(c) is I think the area that really needs refining. What exactly is intensity of concentration?
What counts as concentration? and how can we measure how intensely we are concentrating?
One of the explanations of manifestation is that there are an infinite versions of us which represent all the paths we take from all the decisions & chance occurrences (ie in roulette for each spin there are realities where each of 0-36 have hit). By focussing on one particular outcome we "shift" to that outcome.
This is a very simplistic summary but it may be to do with that as I have heard/read that to shift requires determination (concentration) and then an assumption that it has happened.
That's interesting, it definitely seems like concentration and letting go are important here.
I'm wondering if there is a way to standardised our mental actions regarding concentration.
Is it concentration on a task, idea, image, number or emotion? How long do you concentrate? Is it concentration that is silent of inner chatter?
Is it a physically strenuous process or is body relaxed?
When you let go is there anything special you do with your thought?
Yep, the first two minutes of that video sums it up.
Interesting how he says it can be used to increase the probability of something occurring, not guaranteeing it. So from this the holy grail of holy grails (winning every spin) is therefore unobtainable and should be accepted.
Yes you may be right. It either seems to come in a flurry or you have to wait for the perfect time. Reminds me of fluid motion.
I still believe luck/fortune is a force which can be manipulated by psi energy.
Also interesting to think about what the theoretical framework would be for this to happen. In a dual aspect theory approach, both the physical and mental are two aspects of one true reality.
If we take also the view that all will is manifestation, meaning every signal you send to manipulate the physical world by sheer will is a form of manifestation. And we accept that our will is interconnected with everything as shown in the bentov video.
The brain has two networks that are anticollorated. The attention network and default mode network.
Once the default mode network is deactivated we experience a profound disassociation. Which to me is extremely interesting, I don't think that it is by accident or coincidence.
I'll post videos for this later.
@Precogmiles Thank you for sharing the video with Dr Dean Radin. I really like his explanations and how he speaks, without any, bs, nonsense, as for example in Ramtha school, etc.
I found an interesting interview of his where here he talks about an acquaintance of his, who won millions from slot machines: youtube.com/watch?v=wcd2M0jnUjc
Also, he talks about both concepts of precognition (seeing event in the future) and also manifestation as 2 separate concepts. So regarding Roulette, it is possible to approach it in both of those ways, whichever one suits you most.
@Klausy
"Yep, the first two minutes of that video sums it up.
Interesting how he says it can be used to increase the probability of something occurring, not guaranteeing it. So from this the holy grail of holy grails (winning every spin) is therefore unobtainable and should be accepted."
Yes, that's how I always understood it and how I approach the game. There is really no need for perfection, all you need is slightly better accuracy than random to turn profit and your accuracy with this will be a lot better than random actually.
And at the same time, once you drop the idea of perfection, your results actually become better, because you become more detached and stop being so results oriented.
Interesting bit of the video at 13min 30sec of your (Winforus) video where Dean Radin says that he doesn't know if what is perceived will happen or is more a probability will happen. I have a feeling it's the latter but interesting that after dedicating a big portion of his life on the subject, he's still not able to say.
The brain has two networks that are anticollorated. The attention network and default mode network.
Once the default mode network is deactivated we experience a profound disassociation. Which to me is extremely interesting, I don't think that it is by accident or coincidence.
I've not come across this before. Will go through those videos.
@winforus yes dean radin is amazing with his research as always. How in your view is precognition different from manifestation?
Can you walk us through your precognition process. Does concentration play an important role. Do you do the 'focus on surface' technique? Are your eyes open or closed?
Here is an interesting video from edd Edwards. His video description and comments are worth reading.
Another perspective on how psi happens. More 'out there' but interesting.
Resonance as the core principle.
What do you mean by resonance please? Those top two videos are very long, are there any particular parts that you recommend? Thanks
@Klausy, "Interesting bit of the video at 13min 30sec of your (Winforus) video where Dean Radin says that he doesn't know if what is perceived will happen or is more a probability will happen. I have a feeling it's the latter but interesting that after dedicating a big portion of his life on the subject, he's still not able to say."
Very interesting observation, I think there is a great chance that we will actually never know for sure.
@Precogmiles "How in your view is precognition different from manifestation?"
In my mind, precognition is more of like intuition for me - it's feeling based, an ability to know what will happen in future.
While manifestation, is actively trying to create a specific event. So with precognition - I will receive the information and it will be a number, but with manifestation I would pick a number and manifest so it comes in the future. They could overlap or even be the same, but that's how I view it in my mind.
Because with precogniton, even when I am 50% sure, but don't have the "knowing" that it will actually come, the number still comes more often than not.
"Can you walk us through your precognition process. Does concentration play an important role. Do you do the 'focus on surface' technique? Are your eyes open or closed?"
Concentration plays a role, but it's not the impost important. Most important is to be relaxed enough, and also have fun with it - enjoy the process of figuring out the number that will come, so it becomes a game of it's own. A game within the game of the roulette that you are playing with the universe. Also, I have a nice cold drink like organic apple juice, kambucha, or non-alcoholic beer in a very nice glass during the session and this really helps to enjoy myself more and not take it so seriously.
Playing at the right time matters a lot, it's important to understand yourself and how your mind operates. I tend to perform best at evenings and at late evenings, as that's when I am finished with all the tasks for the day. Nowun said it best - if you have too much stress throughout the day, forget about trying to play.
You can practice as much as you want and be as good as possible at this, but if you are experience a lot stress in your life, it will really hinder your play.
I don't do any techniques now, in fact one of the best things for my improvement was throwing all techniques out of the window and to just try to see what works for myself.
Most of the time my eyes are closed, I try to quiet the mind and wait till the number comes. The number appears visually, sometime's its a voice and sometimes it's both at the same time. If it's not working and I am getting too much noise and I am not sure about the number, then I start saying in my head from 0 to 36, sometimes more than once to clear my head and then wait to see if another number comes. Also, I turn around and change the spot how I am sitting, sometimes putting my head down and lying down to see if that will help. Sometimes I sit with my eyes open and number comes as well, but most of the time it's with eyes closed now.
Also, now I always vape cannabis before playing, I found that it increases my accuracy by a LOT. Weed helps to quiet my mind, increases the focus, relaxes and also allows to get the numbers way faster. The key is to get just enough, but not too much, because if you are too high, it may mess with the concentration.
@klausy
Sure, resonance as noticed when one system is driven or begins to oscillate by another system.
For example demonstrated in tuning forks.
I think both videos are worth watching all the way through.
They don't tell you how to do ESP or manifestation but gives us a good direction to base our practice on.
Having a solid theory can save a lot of time and energy.
My theory is based on the idea that everything is fundamentally the same substance, which is neither matter nor consciousness. Our reality emerges from vibrations that happen in that ultimate substance.
The question is therefore how do we send relevant vibrations to manifest on demand.
I believe learning to understand our nervous system is crucial for this.
The videos just help to flesh this theory out more.
Ah ok understood, thanks. I'll watch the videos all the way through.
@winforus
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I can definitely see the positives of being in a positive state of mind. Very interesting approach.
I believe resonance is the underlying principle behind magic. Magic attempts to interact with the metaphysical world mentioned by Tesla to create manifestations in our physical world.
@precogmiles
What I noticed and maybe you have as well with your experience, is that in the past I had off days where I missed too much, got into negative head space and this in turn piled like a snowball - it threw off my abilities and I also ended up manifesting worse result.
So if negative mindset can be that much of a hinderance, surely the opposite of that (positive mindset) should be very beneficial, no?
And I observed it time and time again, where average gamblers in the casino who miss, go on very angry rants, and it seems like the "luck" keeps getting worse and worse for them. Where, they are running significantly below EV, from the side it seems like they are getting unluckier and unluckier, but now I understand that they are actually manifesting and creating that very "bad luck" with their negative mindset.
I would be willing to bet my money that if we were to take 100 people in a positive mindset, who are experiencing happy emotions and 100 people in a negative mindset and had them place random bets, that people with the positive mindset would do significantly better. Significantly better in this case doesn't mean that they necessary would be in profit, but they surely wouldn't lose as much as those with the negative mindset.
@winforus
That is very true, positivity really can send out good vibes most times. I guess that can have a knock on effect on everything else you do.
This is a good discussion to watch for those still stuck in the materialist mentality.
Kastrup does an amazing job in showing us how confused and even illogical the materialist view us of consciousness.