Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

[thelaw]

Two issues >> and I'll repeat it as many times as needed. Posting test results are fine as long as they would MATCH UP with real conditions at a casino. Being down $3,400 (testing) and finishing with a profit of $270 is NOT a REAL LIFE CASINO SITUATION. In your head....."GREAT RESULTS WITH THAT TESTING" but in reality, you lost.

Second, (you did touch on this) proof of a good day at the casino? So a person says they won $850 with method "X", how do we know? Even posting a receipt, where is the PROOF it came from a roulette game and method "X"?

Ken

#1 - I agree 100%

#2 - Not perfect, but it's the best proof that we have along with the method posted publicly for everyone to see and test. So if someone posted a method that they claimed won them $2500 per day at the tables, and it tanks in testing by other members, then it's pretty clear they're just trolling.

This should be a wake-up call to everyone that we need a higher standard for posting and testing, and threads need to be openly criticized and/or ignored to weed out the bullsh*t. We should all find it insulting that after thousands of posts, we appear to be no closer to a practical method to beat the game. Anyone who claims otherwise needs to put up or shut-up!!!

[RayManZ]

So you want others to do all the work? Keeping you up 2 date with all their results? You just pick the best method and fly away? Maybe you should contribute more? Start testing? Most casino's have a fun mode. Just start testing any method you like and maybe you will find your holy grail.

I don't see why someone who is winning constantly should keep posting updates. I know i won't. I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...

[mogul397]

This is not a rip on RG but he'll probably take it as such. I think his BIGGER goal is to convince others rather than, go out and stake a claim for himself (if its possible). I told him before....I have been there many times. What he wants (and won't get) is a crusade by his side, maybe a holiday named after him? He wants more involvement (as did I) and more members singing praises (as did I).

I have posted a few methods were I was *SHOCKED* it did not take off like wild fire. My solution? Laugh my a** off and post less. He takes it personal. He's a hard worker with this game, I will give him that much. As I said, when you have a holy grail (not my words), the sky is the limit and nothing can get in your way, not even a day job.

Ken

Well that's why  I mention it. It's not a jab, but he was getting understandably
impatient with me flailing around. But it's hard to track a moving target.

[mogul397]

Two issues >> and I'll repeat it as many times as needed. Posting test results are fine as long as they would MATCH UP with real conditions at a casino. Being down $3,400 (testing) and finishing with a profit of $270 is NOT a REAL LIFE CASINO SITUATION. In your head....."GREAT RESULTS WITH THAT TESTING" but in reality, you lost.

Second, (you did touch on this) proof of a good day at the casino? So a person says they won $850 with method "X", how do we know? Even posting a receipt, where is the PROOF it came from a roulette game and method "X"?

Ken

Ken, I agree with everything you said. Maybe about RG wanting a cheering section.
About the unrealistic aspect of simulated results.

That is why I beat my drum all the time. We all know what meaningful test results
involve. Betting method and stake method. Simple enough. Anything without that
is useless.

And then you read and listen and get the admission, "I never played live". Or
"only once".

More than once I shut the door on all this as futile, as you sort of preach. Then
I come back for fun. But there are some habits of humanity or nature that must
be broken, like the suicidal neg progression and the NEED to recoup losses in
one swing.

Can't keep all this straight in my head this time, though.

[thelaw]

So you want others to do all the work? Keeping you up 2 date with all their results? You just pick the best method and fly away? Maybe you should contribute more? Start testing? Most casino's have a fun mode. Just start testing any method you like and maybe you will find your holy grail.

I don't see why someone who is winning constantly should keep posting updates. I know i won't. I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...

This is a standard line from those who don't actually have any winning method - "I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...".......

This is a forum..........where we share ideas.......so we can create something called progress......which is standing on the shoulders of giants!!!

If you're going to be withholding then why come here at all???

I've said this time and time again:

This is why we don't have a winning method. Because some members would rather play games than beat the game!!!

[mogul397]

So you want others to do all the work? Keeping you up 2 date with all their results? You just pick the best method and fly away? Maybe you should contribute more? Start testing? Most casino's have a fun mode. Just start testing any method you like and maybe you will find your holy grail.

I don't see why someone who is winning constantly should keep posting updates. I know i won't. I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...

IT's not the matter of the work or the results. It's the matter of making a complete report,
if you're going to make one.

The fact that you're typing shows intent.  So stop all the smug innuendos and
be clear about what you ARE doing. Instead of leaving parts out and leaving
a back door.

[RouletteGhost]

Dont break raymanz balls

He made the best tweak to date and tested 66k spins and posted the results

His tweak is a winner

If you choose not to test it thats your effin problem

Bet against previous 3 when unique

Triggers

123
132
213
231
312
321

See one of those? then bet against it

Playing dozens and columns you will get about 10 betting opportunities per hour. On average you will lose every 250 to 350 spins as thats how often a uniqie repeats

Dont like it? Dont play it
Dont believe in it? Oh well
Dont want to read the raymanz tweak thread? Tough luck to ya cause you wont find better. Have better? Show me

___________
Each uniqie repeats every 2000 spins -- 6 uniques thats roughly every 300 spins you see a unique repeat.  Want to find better? GOOD LUCK. Buy a roulette computer then

[thelaw]

Dont break raymanz balls

He made the best tweak to date and tested 66k spins and posted the results

His tweak is a winner

If you choose not to test it thats your effin problem

Bet against previous 3 when unique

Triggers

123
132
213
231
312
321

See one of those? then bet against it

Playing dozens and columns you will get about 10 betting opportunities per hour. On average you will lose every 250 to 350 spins as thats how often a uniqie repeats

Dont like it? Dont play it
Dont believe in it? Oh well
Dont want to read the raymanz tweak thread? Tough luck to ya cause you wont find better. Have better? Show me

___________
Each uniqie repeats every 2000 spins -- 6 uniques thats roughly every 300 spins you see a unique repeat.  Want to find better? GOOD LUCK. Buy a roulette computer then

Sounds good!

So I assume we won't be hearing from Raymanz any more on this forum, as he has the HG  (let's just say a consistent winning method)

So why are we all still trying other methods when the HG is right in front of us???

[MrJ]

This is a standard line from those who don't actually have any winning method - "I will be living my life and have fun. I really won't care if you demand more proof of winnings. It's not my loss. It's yours...".......

This is a forum..........where we share ideas.......so we can create something called progress......which is standing on the shoulders of giants!!!

If you're going to be withholding then why come here at all???

I've said this time and time again:

This is why we don't have a winning method. Because some members would rather play games than beat the game!!!

I can not nor will I try to speak for all that do not post/share "decent" methods (notice I didn't say Holy Grail).

In a perfect world, yes, lets all share... A & B+ methods but with me, I have seen too much BS over the years. Answer this please....why would I "share" with certain people such as....the "you cant win" crowd so stop trying, the AP (cough) goofs, the unregistered folks, the members that contribute little, the members that will use it, make some money and I'll never hear a fu***n word of thanks etc. etc. etc.

So why again would I SHARE with them?

Ken

[SimonZed1]

Hello Denzie! I have been following your posts with great interest!!

So you wait for example  231 231 and now bet against it? Hoping not to see another 231 ?

Well, yes and no. I don't wait for uniques to repeat. I wait for any repeats. It could be something like:

221 221
332 332
113 113
etc…

I got 333 333 in my last game…! Then I bet that the serie won't repeat a third time. Then, when won, I switch tables. Yes I know, it is time consuming, but I prefer to make one big bet than a series of smaller bets.

I was thinking about something today, according to RG, a unique repeats once every 250 to 350 spins. Neat. But I am very curious to know about the number of spins a unique would repeat 3 times. It is probably a lot… So we could do something like this:

Wait for a unique to come up. Bet against the unique from repeating with smaller regular bet.
If the unique repeats and you lose, bet the number of units lost on the last bet that it will not repeat a third time. This would be some kind of recovery bet. It will be a big bet, but your chance to win it should be big also.

Gotta test that...

Just another idea.

Simon.

[thelaw]

I can not nor will I try to speak for all that do not post/share "decent" methods (notice I didn't say Holy Grail).

In a perfect world, yes, lets all share... A & B+ methods but with me, I have seen too much BS over the years. Answer this please....why would I "share" with certain people such as....the "you cant win" crowd so stop trying, the AP (cough) goofs, the unregistered folks, the members that contribute little, the members that will use it, make some money and I'll never hear a fu***n word of thanks etc. etc. etc.

So why again would I SHARE with them?

Ken

I understand where you're coming from, but this is a forum after all, so sharing information is part of being involved in this endeavor. If someone doesn't want to share, then let's identify them with something like a "visitor" status label instead of a member; that way, we can separate those who are all-in, vs those just searching for a good conversation.

My major gripe with members who don't share, is that it's an easy way to troll the forum by saying essentially: "I have found the answer, but I'm not sharing it", which is fine, but then, why continue to post? Not to mention the fact that we're talking about an easy sizable income for the rest of one's life...........that's a bold claim!

Great claims require great evidence.

[keepontryin]

ok ok .......heres a thought...if  you want a little more action why not look for uniques that are also going vertically up and down.....lets test......

[MrJ]

I knew I forgot something. The other BIG reason, if I personally put in hundreds, if not thousands of hours, failed relationships because roulette was more important, testing until I fell asleep at my desk, losing THOUSANDS of dollars at the casino. All for something great in the end (through my own trial & error...blood, sweat & tears).

All that sacrifice and then start a thread, giving it away? Not me brother.

I do agree with you though, a person should not talk s**t on how they have a HG, they are the best roulette player in the world and BTW, "dont ask me for help".

I agree, those members are borderline up for a ban.

Ken

[ddarko]

the above is against the forum's rules is it not ?

Has anybody ever been banned for breaking those rules ?

[thelaw]

I knew I forgot something. The other BIG reason, if I personally put in hundreds, if not thousands of hours, failed relationships because roulette was more important, testing until I fell asleep at my desk, losing THOUSANDS of dollars at the casino. All for something great in the end (through my own trial & error...blood, sweat & tears).

All that sacrifice and then start a thread, giving it away? Not me brother.

I do agree with you though, a person should not talk s**t on how they have a HG, they are the best roulette player in the world and BTW, "dont ask me for help".

I agree, those members are borderline up for a ban.

Ken

.........but I thought that is what we were all doing here. Putting in time to beat the game.

So now it's every man for himself?

That doesn't exactly sound like a forum...... 

Perhaps I've been mistaken all along.......