Hi guys, thanks for the welcome.... now comes the scary bit as I step into the lions den....
I have read but a handful of postings on the forum, there are hundreds to read through and for that I don't have time, so if I'm repeating anything that has been spoken before, please accept my apologies. Before I start blabbering on, I think that it's only fair that I give you a bit of a background on myself.... like many on here, I have my own ways of betting and my own ideas of what works for me, these may not comply with your ideas at all and the way that I play is possibly the opposite of many members. I said that I have not read too many posts on the forum, but I've read enough to form an opinion on who's outlook and approaches I most admire.... top of my list so far is MrJ, his suggestions are almost on a par with my own.
I am not one for crazy staking, the words "Martingale" and "Progressive" are enough to shrivel the plums, I stake at levels most of the time and occasionally raise my stake by a single point or two.... I start every year with a 1,000pt bank and what is profit at the end of the year I spend on myself and my wife, usually takes form of holidays.... I have had a months holidays in Hungary/Germany/Italy etc all from the proceeds of betting.... but there have been a couple of years when the winnings were poor and I have stayed at home, so not always a good year...... but I have NEVER lost my 1000pt bank.... that is important to remember and for you to understand why I bet so carefully.... I am retired and live on a pension and if I was to blow that bank, I could never replace it, so I will never put my whole bank at risk.... for this reason I only ever go to the table with 10% of that bank per day. I always go armed with two strategies, so that's 50pts allowed for each strategy.... and I visit the casinos twice a day (more than one casino) and I mainly use RNG's.... yes, I know that there are a lot of you that hate RNG's but that makes no sense really because the house "take" is 2.7% on both, even half that if playing French..... but to be perfectly honest with you, the reason for my distaste with "live" play is twofold..... it's oh so slow.... and I kept getting banned from "live" casinos, so I've opted to concentrate on RNG's for better or worse.... personally I have found them just as profitable and there are no pretty girls to distract me.....
Just to round off... I don't believe there are any systems/strategies that will beat roulette, but I do think that 2.7% is only a small margin to overcome and sensible staking and selection should be able to overcome that..... but it must be done with as little strain on the bank as possible, to me that 1000pt bank is sacrosanct and I will protect it with stop losses if required so that I will never lose an amount that is not reasonably easy to recoup..... OK, that's it..... open your mouth so that I can stick my head in......
;D ;D ;D ;D
MrE
This is my second post, the first one is still awaiting approval.... "awaiting approval"???.... you must be some naughty boys if your posts have to be censored..... I can see the Head Teacher smacking your legs if you continue misbehaving..... :twisted: :twisted:
OK, onto things more serious..... my main earner is a waiting game, inasmuch as we are required to wait for 75 spins before checking our history and making our selections. If playing "live" this can take 40 minutes and is boring, but on RNG fast play the job is done and numbers recorded in about 4 minutes (even quicker when you get used to it)..... the staking method that I use for this is flat betting and is called "funnel staking"...... but I'll come to that a bit later.... it is a "no show" strategy which I refer to as "Lucky Numbers", I don't think it's anybody else's ideas, but you never know, I could have picked something up over the years, if someone else has thought of it, apologies....
Whilst your banging away at those 75 spins, there is another abundance of opportunities along the way and is surely worth a 25pt risk, this one is a nice simple "Rolling Bet". I put this on a horse racing forum a good few years ago, it was called a "MERD's" bet (MrE's Rolling Doubles), but I've simply extended it for Roulette..... Firstly, I use just the even money chances and the Hi/Lo in particular..... why H/L???..... because the demarcation line is definite, it's one half of the table, R/B and O/E are scattered and I hate "scattered" with my selections as well as with my betting, so I only play H/L..... you guys can play whatever you want, but H/L works for me....
I don't care where or when I start playing, I just click the spin tab and watch whichever number drops (H or L), that's where I'm starting from.... the aim is to make a profit by "rolling" the winnings onto the next bet and dependant on how much profit I want is where I stop.... 2 winners on the trot gives you odds of 3/1, 3 in a row is 7/1 and 4 in a row is 15/1..... I stop at 4 in a row..... if the bet loses, then it's back to 1pt on the same bet and continue until you get 4 in a row..... your getting 15/1 for that (7's for a trio), surely worthy of a look.....
Don't try it for real money, test it out as always, but just keep an eye on how many times the H/L lands in succession and if staked correctly it should return you some profit.... try it and let me know.... and I'm damned sure that your gonna tell me in no uncertain terms.... :D good luck....
MrE
So Mr E you are only using 1 unit for 4 consecutive spins for your Hi/Lo if you are winning? I like your staking method and will have a look at it. I too don't generally like progressions.
So what is your no show strategy that your waiting 75 spins for?
And just off topic, why were you banned?
Cheers
The man is taking only 10% of his bank or 100 chips per play...So how much can he earn with reasonable and way of play he does.. Sometimes wins, sometimes not... I am fine with that.
Keep getting banned from live casinos and also suddenly they are slow and boring to him?
The man who spents enough time to and dedication to get to the level where he gets regulary banned (LoL) just can't say playing live wheel is boring and slow... :thumbsup: It is also blasphemy to say something about this beautifull game! And by the way i can think off only one reason why someone can be banned... So we are getting to this:
RNG-s are fair, honest, as you say just as profitable, but now no banns here?
Gods of roulette, do you see this?
Fools, stand up to be counted!
Cheers
Drazen
Is it not a bit early to make any conclusiosn Drazen? I think we should wait and see, and try to use polite language.
Dear Ralph to conclude what? haven't you just read how many BS man said in his first two posts?
His story has more holes then cheese ementaler..
Who don't see what is this all about, what re intentions of man who speaks like this and who actualy MrE. could be (is)?
Have a nice discuss here.
Over and out
Drazen
I am not sure, he write what he want to say, and up til now I do not agree its just holes.
He plays RNG and I do the same, Live do not take small stakes, and if they do, it not fast for it.
He writes he has won, and such a thing we should believe or not, but we do not know.
Some bragging will just hurt a loser.
Banned from live and can do RNG at the same casino, we have more of such report on this forum, but it is important, so we must go against the very first postings.
Many do not dare to post here!!
I do not know who it is, as I do not know most of the posters, at least not from a few posts,
You can all put me on cross fire for saying all this. I don't care. I know what i know, and my intention isnt to fight, make fun off, be rude etc..
I just said he said so many contradictions or at least questionable and non logic things.
I have see all forums last years... And belive me i can recognize people whos posts i have seen plenty, by their way of writting and talking even if they change their nick and try to writte different. They can't...
Also style of writting is very similar to one member here, the one who with last banned member had much discussions with... Older gentleman who even remembered him after ban... I say he collected that from him...
Just look at the joke he said about teacher and missbehaving. It seems he had experinced something like that recently...
I just wonder is Steve blocked MOP-s IP or is this IP from same country maybe....?
Anyway crowd keep on eye on this fellow :thumbsup:
Cheers
Drazen
Does not the first post go to moderator? I do not know, you maybe can recognize a false nick, should the moderating not do it?
Drazen, it's RNG, which is of no interest to you. Ignore this thread fella.
QuoteHave a nice discuss here.
Over and out
Didn't last long though, we are big boys n girls, we can decide ourselves.
MrE, as the thread starter you have the power to remove all these nonesense posts if you wish.
Why would he or anybody with similar views ignore this thread.
We real roulette players will always point out to the ppl.what RNG
realy is.....the greatest cheat ever invented to take your hard earned
money from your pockets.Just thinking loud.
QuoteWe real roulette players will always point out to the people.what RNG
realy is
:yawn:
Yeah we know, thanks anyway
Quote from: superman on Sep 11, 02:21 PM 2012
:yawn:
Yeah we know, thanks anyway
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Quote from: Ralph on Sep 11, 02:54 PM 2012
Agree we know!![attachimg=1]
Start playing for real money then you will have a diff. picture.
It is true I did it fast in fun mod. My real mod play is a bit more carefull, nodays, the figures could be real mode, in some more sessions.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 11, 03:36 PM 2012
It is true I did it fast in fun mod. My real mod play is a bit more carefull, nodays, the figures could be real mode, in some more sessions.
Hello Ralph,
I have played RNG in the very beginning , first with fun money and had big wins , after that with real money and it was hopeless.
So I always say...stay away from it.
I play live wheel with real Dealer and use the Dealers Sign. with good results.
You learn to see how Dealers spin the ball and than you noticed that a lot of them mess around a lot of it.
Cheers
John Rotterdam
I have used RNG casino for years, see no difference at all from live. Its much faster, and I can use smaller chip if I want. The spreed is 1 to 10000 on straight up and tenfold more on EC.
The way I run the game is hardly possible at a live wheel.
The speed in RNG give the impression it is harder than live.
Roulette live or RNG is all hard to beat, without a big part of luck, its a game of chance and unfair odds.
Still it works well, but any day that can change, I am aware of it. I have had my winnings, using traditional methods, no skill involved, its not a skill game.
The game is risky, and no wins without taken it.
It is absolute no different in fun and real mode, both are equal difficult. You may play different in fun. You can allways top up, take other risks, and have a decent bankroll. If you count win/loss % in fun and real and you play exactly the same it differ not. The main fault is many take risks in fun they do not do in real, in real it is aiming for break even. They win in fun using a bankroll of 20000 units, and then deposit 500 units, and expect to do the same results.
A stream of numbers in fun, nobody can point out a diff to a stream of numbers from real mode, or live wheel, many tests are done.
By the way, I do not believe in dealers signature, Its an other name for luck in my opinion.
Now other game give the possibility to read in so much, I do the same, I use repeaters, and now it is just a normal distribution of randomness, still I see patterns, patterns in my brain.
That's the way a human brain works, seeing patterns everywhere,
"The speed in RNG give the impression it is harder than live" >>> I think most would agree (in regards to RNG) the fairness of it is the MAIN CONCERN, not if its faster or easier to win.
Ken
The spellchecker do some funny hing, I have two now's, one should be No ande the other know
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 12, 12:12 AM 2012
The spellchecker do some funny hing, I have two now's, one should be No ande the other know
I think Ego set up the spell checker. ;D
Welcome MrE to the Forum :)
I play RNG Real money. Waiting 75 spins before a bet selection can be quite costly. Most RNGs (at least the ones I've played) you have to bet minimal equal amounts red & black to advance the wheel. On average after 30 spins I would lose 6-8 units for when the zero hits.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 12, 01:22 AM 2012
Welcome MrE to the Forum :)
I play RNG Real money. Waiting 75 spins before a bet selection can be quite costly. Most RNGs (at least the ones I've played) you have to bet minimal equal amounts red & black to advance the wheel. On average after 30 spins I would lose 6-8 units for when the zero hits.
Are you losing more tracking, than playing at an EC? I average you should lose an unit in 37 spins.
Better not play black AND red, play bet one EC, win or lose, that's not more costly.
You win 50% except zero, but lose just one on zero hit.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 11, 10:23 PM 2012
I have used RNG casino for years, see no difference at all from live. Its much faster, and I can use smaller chip if I want. The spread is 1 to 10000 on straight up and tenfold more on EC.
The way I run the game is hardly possible at a live wheel.
The speed in RNG give the impression it is harder than live.
Roulette live or RNG is all hard to beat, without a big part of luck, its a game of chance and unfair odds.
Still it works well, but any day that can change, I am aware of it. I have had my winnings, using traditional methods, no skill involved, its not a skill game.
The game is risky, and no wins without taken it.
It is absolute no different in fun and real mode, both are equal difficult. You may play different in fun. You can allways top up, take other risks, and have a decent bankroll. If you count win/loss % in fun and real and you play exactly the same it differ not. The main fault is many take risks in fun they do not do in real, in real it is aiming for break even. They win in fun using a bankroll of 20000 units, and then deposit 500 units, and expect to do the same results.
A stream of numbers in fun, nobody can point out a diff to a stream of numbers from real mode, or live wheel, many tests are done.
By the way, I do not believe in dealers signature, Its an other name for luck in my opinion.
Now other game give the possibility to read in so much, I do the same, I use repeaters, and now it is just a normal distribution of randomness, still I see patterns, patterns in my brain.
That's the way a human brain works, seeing patterns everywhere,
Hello Ralph,
You don't have to believe in Dealer Sign , you simply have to play it.
And if you do you will change your opinion...I know for sure.
Cheers
John
Quote from: ginger on Sep 12, 04:08 AM 2012
Hello Ralph,
You don't have to believe in Dealer Sign , you simply have to play it.
And if you do you will change your opinion...I know for sure.
Cheers
John
If DS is real, the outcome from wheel should not be random, they publish spins from casinos, which can be tested for randomness, in not any case I know in modern time they fail the test.
So I still think DS is an other name for luck, if anybody try something, and it seems to go theire way, it's easy to make conclusion it is something into it. Fore some reason we prefer skill instead of luck.
I do not think it is possible to predict a fair wheel, and a dealer has no pattern, which you can forsee, our mind can create it afterwards.
You can still win.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 12, 04:34 AM 2012
So I still think DS is an other name for luck, if anybody try something, and it seems to go theire way, it's easy to make conclusion it is something into it. Fore some reason we prefer skill instead of luck.
I do not think it is possible to predict a fair wheel, and a dealer has no pattern, which you can forsee, our mind can create it afterwards.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7201.msg66193#msg66193 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7201.msg66193#msg66193)
Winning with DS isnt luck. But it is to find such conditions...
For some of us luck in roulette comes in a bit different form then one might think;)
Regards
Drazen
I believe in DS. As soon as i see mario on t2 in my casino i bet tiers. I usually get £30 out of him
LUCK :
When preparation meets opportunity .
Tamino
This you may try out yourself, I have never succeed, but I heard some know it.
Spending days.
If yo just at the momnet the ball falls at BVZ, use a secret key combination, you have to be at the right fraction of a second , it possible to postpone a 100 Euro on the winning number. Its called "Unlock".
I thought I should get a fast reply, to the joke, but all may be busy testing the keyboard! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 11, 11:48 PM 2012
"The speed in RNG give the impression it is harder than live" >>> I think most would agree (in regards to RNG) the fairness of it is the MAIN CONCERN, not if its faster or easier to win.
Ken
---That's what I preach for long now.Some others preach diff.stories in a parrot
fashion, only after quick profit.
Quote from: Tamino on Sep 12, 05:59 AM 2012
LUCK :
When preparation meets opportunity .
Tamino
Hello Tamino,
Is it this what you mean to say.............:
A skilled rouletteplayer is one who has made lucky guesses based on scientific theories which are imperfectly understood.
Cheers
John Rotterdam
Eternal mystery, live roulette or rng ?! :)
When we think of roulette as well as the system that we play, we must always have in head the cycle of 37 spins (European roulette).
Provided that the casino is fair to players, each cycle of 37 spins will have to fulfill the laws of nature, regardless of whether playing, live or RNG or even draw on the numbers from a bag.This is interesting, if we put in a bag 37 numbers and pulled out 37 times Of course each extracted again return, we would get the same result here, which I hope, everyone knows.
In all three variants will be the same thing, will come out 2/3 of that
1/3 will be repeated and the other numbers is not come out, that remains the third sleepers in each cycle.Now everyone will say, well we all know it, and I agree, every little bit serious player needs to know this, but what about the variations of the above.Variations do exist as in nature and life, but even among them there laws.
This is a very important moment, because in that a good system differs from the average.
Deviations can also happen in cycles, and these are times when good
system survives a bad fall.Each system operates on the principle of waiting for something to happen, or that the number or sector to repeat or that sector or sleeper awake.
The point is to survive to win.
Angels with you :)
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 12, 04:34 AM 2012
If DS is real, the outcome from wheel should not be random, they publish spins from casinos, which can be tested for randomness, in not any case I know in modern time they fail the test.
Ralph, I think one of the reasons why these kinds of discussions are endless is because of the word "random".
What does it actually mean?
Random can mean different things depending on the circumstances and application.
If "random" was some objective property of data, then it would be easy to determine what's random and what isn't, but there is no single test you can do in order to find out whether data is random. The data may seem random in one respect, but may not be random in another. It's impossible to definitively prove randomness (see link:://:.random.org/analysis/ (link:://:.random.org/analysis/)). Also, whether something is random depends on what information you have - what seems random to someone with limited information can be non-random to someone else with more information, so in that sense random is subjective.
And, if roulette is purely a game of luck (as you say), then how can anyone possibly win in the long-term? No-one can be consistently lucky, the very nature of luck is to be capricious, and there's nothing you can do about it, so what's the point of using systems, money-management etc?
I believe that roulette is a game of skill.
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 12, 10:37 AM 2012
Ralph, I think one of the reasons why these kinds of discussions are endless is because of the word "random".
What does it actually mean?
Random can mean different things depending on the circumstances and application.
If "random" was some objective property of data, then it would be easy to determine what's random and what isn't, but there is no single test you can do in order to find out whether data is random. The data may seem random in one respect, but may not be random in another. It's impossible to definitively prove randomness (see link:://:.random.org/analysis/ (link:://:.random.org/analysis/)). Also, whether something is random depends on what information you have - what seems random to someone with limited information can be non-random to someone else with more information, so in that sense random is subjective.
And, if roulette is purely a game of luck (as you say), then how can anyone possibly win in the long-term? No-one can be consistently lucky, the very nature of luck is to be capricious, and there's nothing you can do about it, so what's the point of using systems, money-management etc?
I believe that roulette is a game of skill.
I do not think it does not it matter how you play, in that meaning it is skill in it.
It is the speaking of some methods as visulas ballistic, dealers signature and some other
ways of trying to predict the balls landing. The success if it is any, is they just are lucky.
It matter how you handle the bankroll, and even the bets, its not smart to bet 10 on LOW and hedge on HIGH with 5 units. A MM which can stand a losing streak needs some skill.
That is random is not easy to say, but even if it looks strange, they test for randomness, using
methods. In short randomness should not be predictable.
Nobody can really be sure she will win. Nobody can tell the next spins, it is a guess, if you guess
using a method or not.
I am not sure if any statistical methods will work, I do not think it is possible to know when a STD change to even out. On the other hand if you know STD it can advice the choice, but not tell you
more than it may be better to use this information, still a guess, but may be the better one.
Large BR,topping last,penulimate and furthest,with mini sessions,results
in quick profit without any risk...afternoon repeat the procedure,and if you
need more you can have evening session also...3 times a day about 3 hours
in all.........talking about lines in pairs,rolling fashion.No deviation problems
here with proper BR......ONLY WAY.
FLAT
I agree, trying to win, with a narrow bankroll will not work for long. Downdraw you can never avoid, and sometimes it is quite much. In most of the cases it turns to a win, sometimes at least
make the loss not too heavy, and by the time recoverable.
It is a minor probability, any size of a bankroll will not do, this is a risk we have to take.
As long the bankroll is a bankroll and not meant for other expenses its Ok.
Many other who not play spend a lot of money in their hobbies.
I have sometime been down in the order of several 1000 units, and should not survive
without a decent bankroll.
--Playing it with breaks in mini sessions/no continous long play/
can't hurt.Try and you will see.
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 12, 10:37 AM 2012
I believe that roulette is a game of skill.
Could you expand on that a little plz Bayes ?
I understand games of Skill. For example, 10 pin bowling is Skill as is Darts. You can practise until you are as good as your body will let you be.
Do you practise Roulette ? And in what way do you improve your Skill ?
Hello MrE!!
Glad to have you onboard!
I have not been able to read all of the posts by many great players (some researchers, as myself :) )
I look forward to reading them.
I would say, "If it ain't broke don't fix it".
You have been playing roulette (RNG) in a winning fashion, just imagine if that 1000 BR was 10,000......
But as I said, if ain't broke don't fix it :)
Thanks for sharing MrE, hope you will stay around.
AMK
MrE doesn't seem to be able to post further on this topic.
He has sent me a final e-mail and I thought to be fair to him, I would post it for him.
It doesn't seem to be inappropriate.
Hi George, for some reason I have trouble emailing you directly, so I have to go through the forum..... I'm deleting the forum from my favs list because I just can't be dealing with idiots.... on top of that, my last post has not appeared and is no longer "awaiting approval", so I can only surmise that the moderators don't intend to let me defend myself.... it makes you wonder just how much the moderators actually police the forum, I never deleted the offending posts because I thought that I would be able to have my say, but I've been shackled.... anyway, that makes no difference now because I won't be posting or reading this forum again, but I feel that I owe YOU something, even if it's just for your politeness..... So, in regards to RNG's versus "live" play.... these guys are talking out of their bottoms when they discard RNG play just because they've had a bad experience, they just don't know that much after all.... how do I know???.... because, before I retired 15 years ago I worked on the RNG wing of a British bookmaker..... they are NOT totally random.... RNG's are my friends.... Bye George, all the best.... MrE
This can't be, MrE banned after two posts? ??? ???
It would be great if the mods could explain this.
I think there has been some kind of misunderstanding some how.
It would be great to see more MrE threads and posts.
How can this be???
ps
Lions Den?
Quote from: GLC on Sep 12, 05:05 PM 2012
MrE doesn't seem to be able to post further on this topic.
He has sent me a final e-mail and I thought to be fair to him, I would post it for him.
It doesn't seem to be inappropriate.
Hi George, for some reason I have trouble emailing you directly, so I have to go through the forum..... I'm deleting the forum from my favs list because I just can't be dealing with idiots.... on top of that, my last post has not appeared and is no longer "awaiting approval", so I can only surmise that the moderators don't intend to let me defend myself.... it makes you wonder just how much the moderators actually police the forum, I never deleted the offending posts because I thought that I would be able to have my say, but I've been shackled.... anyway, that makes no difference now because I won't be posting or reading this forum again, but I feel that I owe YOU something, even if it's just for your politeness..... So, in regards to RNG's versus "live" play.... these guys are talking out of their bottoms when they discard RNG play just because they've had a bad experience, they just don't know that much after all.... how do I know???.... because, before I retired 15 years ago I worked on the RNG wing of a British bookmaker..... they are NOT totally random.... RNG's are my friends.... Bye George, all the best.... MrE
Hello GLC,
Not a very kind person isn't.
Cheers
John Rotterdam
Quote from: GLC on Sep 12, 05:05 PM 2012
>> in regards to RNG's versus "live" play.... these guys are talking out of their bottoms when they discard RNG play just because they've had a bad experience, they just don't know that much after all.... how do I know???.... because, before I retired 15 years ago I worked on the RNG wing of a British bookmaker..... they are NOT totally random.... RNG's are my friends.... Bye George, all the best.... MrE <<
and now all the suckers start sending PM's to MrE (which work perectly fine as does the rest of his account I suspect) in a hope to be handed his magical formula to beat rng's.
Bring your money with you! :thumbsup:
What was it that the golfer Gary Player used to say........The more i practice,the luckier i get.
Just a thought.
Dino.
I recall a test we did in 1972. We had 16 cards, and there was 4 different cards 4 each.
With a circle, a cross, a square, a line and three waved lines.
A quite large number of people under strict control, they just were able to guess the cards, and not see the dealer.
A dealer took a card, the person guessed, and was not allowed to see the card, after 16 guesses,
we note down the results.
The dealer was supervised by two persons, the guessing person could not see them.
After 50 tests on each, we took the the 10 best results for 2000 trials.
The best result was 4,98 and the worse 3.57, most other close to 4.
The average should be 4.0 four of a kind in 16 cards.
How to explain it, just by chance or luck, resp no luck?
It was over 2000 trials, shows you can guess rather good for long time.
Any supernatural factor I do not consider.
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 12, 06:04 PM 2012
and now all the suckers start sending PM's to MrE (which work perectly fine as does the rest of his account I suspect) in a hope to be handed his magical formula to beat rng's.
Bring your money with you! :thumbsup:
Funny skakus...i have this same anti con man defense mechanism continuously running. Do you ever tire of saying "told you so"
I dont lol.
Turner
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Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 12, 01:04 PM 2012
Could you expand on that a little plz Bayes ?
I understand games of Skill. For example, 10 pin bowling is Skill as is Darts. You can practise until you are as good as your body will let you be.
Do you practise Roulette ? And in what way do you improve your Skill ?
It's not a skill in the sense of bowling or darts, except maybe if you're using some kind of advantage play like VB or bias, then you have to practice getting the timings right, spotting light reflections etc.
With anything else, the only "skill" is being able to make the right decision - what to bet on and how much, so I suppose that's more a question of knowledge. But you can learn good money management, probability theory etc, and of course you need to develop the art of self-discipline.
The skill is in working on those aspects of the game which you have control over. I think there IS some merit in learning to "read random", but this is likely to be dismissed as voodoo. The only thing I can suggest is to give it a try. My results are inconclusive. ;D
I think there IS some merit in learning to "read random", but this is likely to be dismissed as voodoo.--Bayes
There is an inherent danger in pursuing the Grail with Roulette (if you want to get into the total of all of the numbers on the wheel).
Point is not to take this game too seriously.
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 18, 10:16 AM 2012
It's not a skill in the sense of bowling or darts, except maybe if you're using some kind of advantage play like VB or bias, then you have to practice getting the timings right, spotting light reflections etc.
With anything else, the only "skill" is being able to make the right decision - what to bet on and how much, so I suppose that's more a question of knowledge. But you can learn good money management, probability theory etc, and of course you need to develop the art of self-discipline.
The skill is in working on those aspects of the game which you have control over. I think there IS some merit in learning to "read random", but this is likely to be dismissed as voodoo. The only thing I can suggest is to give it a try. My results are inconclusive. ;D
I have the same line of thinking as Bayes - but i would express my opinion a littel different.
First i would say that you should start from the right angel to have the knowledge to determine what is a bad way to play the game and what is a good way to play the game.
To do just that you have to know your own limits and what you are allow to do and what you are up against.
So lets say you have 1K then you need to apply bankroll management.
Lets say you split the bankroll into 250 250 250 250 then you know that each visit will only allow you to risk 250 into one game or several games depending on if you are going to split your 250.
That puts us to money management and more limits.
Now lets say you have 250 Euro and minimum is 10 Euro for even money position - then you have a total of 25 units.
Now you can see that you can not use on huge agressive progression and go all in to win a small %.
Now you see that it does not exist many options left for staking plans as you only have 25 units.
Then you set up the games to play and might have a Loss-Limit at 10 units and a win target at 3 units.
Now you see it does not exist any sloppy of fuzzy game plan to win 3 units using 10 units.
But you have skills and know that you can win four sessions out of five based upon this strategy with your bet selection.
You have developed a method based upon does principals.
That is a raw blue print with the line of thinking you should have and could come in any combination to split and cut bankroll management and money management.
The key is that does elements force you to avoid anything that does not needs skills to succed with.
The game plan can be based upon winning two session out of three and you know you will have a positive net gain.
This makes 70% of all post at this forum being garbage and almost every bet selection you see comes with one big bankroll with one big progression that goes all in to win a small %.
There is no skills into that kind of game plan or playing model.
We try all, and use that's work. We can in fact be smarter, by experience, but we still do not know the future outcome.
Every thought of something due, may it be EC or STD, its a game of chance at the end.
You well know all the fallacies, wait for 5 spins bet the last, wait for 5 spins bet the most back.
If red bet black, if red bet red.
If STD 3 assume it will grow assume it will hover, make some virtual bets.
Look at the marque, see the trend, bet against bet follow.
Name it all, you will find players with all kinds of knowledge.
Read random is not possible, but you can be lucky, and think you can until RFH.
I do all above, that's the only way, as we do not have other ways, and not want it boring.
I am aware it is most of all luck.
Still there is skill, by that means not to play in a stupid way.
In other sections of life you will find successful people, believing in theire skills, and do not
count theire luck. Skill is for the handy man. Not the players or Wall Street, game is a game.
The only skill there are, do not do any stupid thing, in gambling and finance that's a good rule.
Quote from: ego on Sep 18, 11:22 AM 2012
I have the same line of thinking as Bayes - but i would express my opinion a littel different.
First i would say that you should start from the right angel to have the knowledge to determine what is a bad way to play the game and what is a good way to play the game.
To do just that you have to know your own limits and what you are allow to do and what you are up against.
So lets say you have 1K then you need to apply bankroll management.
Lets say you split the bankroll into 250 250 250 250 then you know that each visit will only allow you to risk 250 into one game or several games depending on if you are going to split your 250.
That puts us to money management and more limits.
Now lets say you have 250 Euro and minimum is 10 Euro for even money position - then you have a total of 25 units.
Now you can see that you can not use on huge agressive progression and go all in to win a small %.
Now you see that it does not exist many options left for staking plans as you only have 25 units.
Then you set up the games to play and might have a Loss-Limit at 10 units and a win target at 3 units.
Now you see it does not exist any sloppy of fuzzy game plan to win 3 units using 10 units.
But you have skills and know that you can win four sessions out of five based upon this strategy with your bet selection.
You have developed a method based upon does principals.
That is a raw blue print with the line of thinking you should have and could come in any combination to split and cut bankroll management and money management.
The key is that does elements force you to avoid anything that does not needs skills to succed with.
The game plan can be based upon winning two session out of three and you know you will have a positive net gain.
This makes 70% of all post at this forum being garbage and almost every bet selection you see comes with one big bankroll with one big progression that goes all in to win a small %.
There is no skills into that kind of game plan or playing model.
Well the point is to start from the right end of things ...
Quote from: ego on Sep 18, 11:22 AM 2012
I have the same line of thinking as Bayes - but i would express my opinion a littel different.
First i would say that you should start from the right angel to have the knowledge to determine what is a bad way to play the game and what is a good way to play the game.
To do just that you have to know your own limits and what you are allow to do and what you are up against.
So lets say you have 1K then you need to apply bankroll management.
Lets say you split the bankroll into 250 250 250 250 then you know that each visit will only allow you to risk 250 into one game or several games depending on if you are going to split your 250.
That puts us to money management and more limits.
Now lets say you have 250 Euro and minimum is 10 Euro for even money position - then you have a total of 25 units.
Now you can see that you can not use on huge agressive progression and go all in to win a small %.
Now you see that it does not exist many options left for staking plans as you only have 25 units.
Then you set up the games to play and might have a Loss-Limit at 10 units and a win target at 3 units.
Now you see it does not exist any sloppy of fuzzy game plan to win 3 units using 10 units.
But you have skills and know that you can win four sessions out of five based upon this strategy with your bet selection.
You have developed a method based upon does principals.
That is a raw blue print with the line of thinking you should have and could come in any combination to split and cut bankroll management and money management.
The key is that does elements force you to avoid anything that does not needs skills to succed with.
The game plan can be based upon winning two session out of three and you know you will have a positive net gain.
This makes 70% of all post at this forum being garbage and almost every bet selection you see comes with one big bankroll with one big progression that goes all in to win a small %.
There is no skills into that kind of game plan or playing model.
The single most important factor is big BR. Why would you like to split your BR and risk only 25% of it or aim to win certain numbers of sessions like 2 out of 3? It would only make you feel better in a case of a loss. For me you stand much better chance of winning in the long run by going for 100u by risking 1000u then doing 10/100u. If you look at a performance of any system in a larger number of spins then you always see up and down patterns. If you stay on the pattern long enough to overcome bigger draw downs then you can recover and make some profit. If you bail out too quickly too often hoping for better session next time you will lose. Stay with something you believe in but give yourself a fighting chance. Everything will most probably fail played continuously in 1M spins but 3000 sessions of 300 spins if necessary when added up may produce a winner. I guess that FLAT might have more than 1M spins under his belt already and some of us too but including testing
;D Its just a common sense to me.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 19, 03:46 AM 2012
Its just a common sense to me.
You are right Robeenhuut , that's the most important part of everything.
Stop in time if you have no luck that day ....tomorrow is another day.
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How stupid is that - any one can use one big bankroll with a small win % and win for weeks or mounths - then lose it all.
No control or hint what happen - there is no skills into that.
But if you have control of your bankrolls growth with the help of money management and winning two out of three or three out of three session in a row you know your variance based upon a game plan with skills
Quote from: ego on Sep 19, 10:35 AM 2012
How silly is that - any one can use one big bankroll with a small win % and win for weeks or mounths - then lose it all.
No control or hint what happen - there is no skills into that.
But if you have control of your bankrolls growth with the help of money management and winning two out of three or three out of three session in a row you know your variance based upon a game plan with skills
So you think that 10% is a small percentage? And i did not mean any heavy progression if it was what you were referring to as being silly.
I know players using a 100 bankroll, play once a week at BM casino. They try to win about 50 to 100.
I know they lose more than 2.7% of the betting. Some lose less, as the main thing they do is waiting for any trigger and may bet just a few times. They never win but lose less.
In a couple of years theire losses are 10000 , they replace the bankroll, from theire income, and have no problem doing it. They are very happy when they win 100, and never think about they lose more the last three weeks.
I know people never playing real, and use the fun account, they like the game, but not want to risk money.
Its hardly impossible to win lot without risks. The bankroll size matters.