Okay, since there are still too many people who don't know if they are coming or going with this method. I have locked the original thread and we shall start again. I am going to break it down, and only post the next rule once everyone understands the current rule.
RULE 1
We record spins until we get a GAME TRIGGER of two 4 GAPS. They can be back to back, or separated by gaps less than 4. Examples below. A 4 Gap is a dozen that hits then sleeps for 3 spins and hits again.
12--24--35--17--01-----This is a 4 GAP of DOZEN 1
-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04-----GAME TRIGGER
-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----02
-----03
-----04-----GAME TRIGGER
The game trigger cannot be separated by gaps more than 4. Example below
-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----06
-----12
-----04-----NOT A GAME TRIGGER
Okay is this clear with everyone?
Okay, now for the hard part. The part of the method that threw most was understanding the BET TRIGGER. So I will be as detailed as I can about it.
RULE 2,
Once you have your GAME TRIGGER, you now look to see if there are any single 4 GAPS on the other two dozens. The reason being a BET TRIGGER can form before or in the middle of a GAME TRIGGER. And of course after a GAME TRIGGER.
If you already have a BET TRIGGER formed. It is a Contender for a game but not a guarantee for your first bet. The reason is it may produce several short gaps while another 4 GAP forms on another dozen and becomes your actual bet. Here is an example of what can happen.
-----D1-----D2-----D3
-----04------08-----10
-----04------06-----05-----GAME TRIGGER DOZEN 1
-----06------05-----04-----FIRST BET TRIGGER DOZEN 3 BUT NO BET
-----06------04-----02-----SECOND BET TRIGGER DOZEN 2 AND OUR FIRST BET
-----05------04??--.02-----OUR FIRST BET THAT THIS BECOMES A 5 GAP OR MORE
The reason the first BET TRIGGER didn't qualify is because The next two gaps stopped at two. In the meantime DOZEN 2 produced a 4 GAP and followed with another POTENTIAL 4 GAP. The first 4 GAP that does this becomes your first bet. It can happen on ANY DOZEN at anytime. And you bet that it goes on to become a 5 GAP or more by covering the other two dozens.
Is this clear with everyone??
I've been trying to understand this system for a while, and while I admit I still don't, I have been playing a slight variation by waiting for a dozen to hit, sleep three times and then hit again. I've been then betting against it using the 1-3-9-27 progression and I've been having some success. Is there any reason why this method wouldn't work?
JL, Maybe this will help, I have just rerun the counter tool which resets to zero when a dozen hits then starts counting again when its not hitting, if you could highlight trigger using the colours available and also higlight the betting so we can get a visible view of a session that would probably help a lot of people, the numbers show the gaps. If not then just delete this post.
DA 1|3|0|4|10|2|14|1|0|2|0|2|3|9|1|3|0|6|0|0|0|12|2|7|1|4|1|0|3|0|2|2|0|2|0|0|1|3|8|2|2|4|5|3|0|0|0|0|2|5|2|2|0|0|0|2|1|2
DB 0|1|10|0|2|0|2|1|0|3|0|0|0|2|1|0|0|0|1|6|0|1|1|1|4|2|1|6|2|0|0|5|0|5|1|3|2|0|0|0|1|1|1|1|5|0|3|0|1|0|3|3|1|3|0|0|0|2|2|3|1|0|1|1|0|2|2|9|0|0|0|3|10|1
DC 3|0|2|0|0|0|1|2|0|2|0|5|0|4|0|1|8|0|6|3|0|0|0|1|0|4|0|0|3|0|7|2|0|0|0|0|1|1|1|2|4|5|1|1|4|9|7|0|5|0|1|2|1|4|4|0|2|1|5|0|5|1|2|0|4|0|4
Quote from: superman on Oct 11, 09:34 AM 2012
JL, Maybe this will help, I have just rerun the counter tool which resets to zero when a dozen hits then starts counting again when its not hitting, if you could highlight trigger using the colours available and also higlight the betting so we can get a visible view of a session that would probably help a lot of people, the numbers show the gaps. If not then just delete this post.
DA 1|3|0|4|10|2|14|1|0|2|0|2|3|9|1|3|0|6|0|0|0|12|2|7|1|4|1|0|3|0|2|2|0|2|0|0|1|3|8|2|2|4|5|3|0|0|0|0|2|5|2|2|0|0|0|2|1|2
DB 0|1|10|0|2|0|2|1|0|3|0|0|0|2|1|0|0|0|1|6|0|1|1|1|4|2|1|6|2|0|0|5|0|5|1|3|2|0|0|0|1|1|1|1|5|0|3|0|1|0|3|3|1|3|0|0|0|2|2|3|1|0|1|1|0|2|2|9|0|0|0|3|10|1
DC 3|0|2|0|0|0|1|2|0|2|0|5|0|4|0|1|8|0|6|3|0|0|0|1|0|4|0|0|3|0|7|2|0|0|0|0|1|1|1|2|4|5|1|1|4|9|7|0|5|0|1|2|1|4|4|0|2|1|5|0|5|1|2|0|4|0|4
Looks lile a plan Superman. If most can read it we will go with it.
Okay now that most have understood the first two rules we continue.
RULE 3,
Once you have established your GAME TRIGGER and BET TRIGGER and had your first bet. You respond to the result. If you won, you can either retrack for a FRESH GAME TRIGGER. And BET TRIGGER, or quit the session.
If you lost the first bet, you identify the very next BET TRIGGER that qualifies for a bet. And go to STEP 2 of the 4 STEP progression 1,3,9,27 x 2= 80 POINTS RISK.
NOW IMPORTANT, There are 3 main ways your next BET TRIGGER AND BET could materialize.
A, It could form on the same DOZEN that gave you your GAME TRIGGER and FIRST BET TRIGGER and bet. OR.
B, It could be a BET TRIGGER that had previously formed, but hadnt QUALIFIED for the FIRST BET. OR
C, It Could be a fresh BET TRIGGER on one of the other two dozens. Below are examples of these 3 possibilities.
-----DOZEN 2
-----04
-----02
-----04-----GAME TRIGGER
-----07
-----04-----BET TRIGGER 1
-----04-----BET 1 LOST
-----05
-----09
-----04-----BET TRIGGER 2
-----06-----BET 2 WON
-----D1-----D2-----D3
-----07------04-----05-----BET TRIGGER 1 DOZEN 2---AND 2ND BET
-----04------03-----06-----GAME TRIGGER DOZEN 1
-----04------02-----04-----BET TRIGGER 2, DOZEN 3---AND 1ST BET
-----09------01-----04-----BET 1 LOST AS IT BECAME ANOTHER DOUBLE 4 GAP
-----03------02-----05
-----06------06-----06-----BET 2 WON AS IT WENT BEYOND A 4 GAP
-----D1-----D2-----D3
-----06------04-----07-----GAME TRIGGER DOZEN 2
-----06------04-----04-----BET TRIGGER 1 AND 1ST BET DOZEN 3
-----11------08-----03
-----06------05-----02
-----05------06-----04-----BET 1 LOST AS IT BECAME ANOTHER DOUBLE 4 GAP
-----04------03-----07-----BET TRIGGER 2 AND 2ND BET DOZEN 1
-----06------03-----05-----BET 2 WON AS IT WENT BEYOND A 4 GAP.
Does everyone understand RULE 3???
I dont want to be a party pooper, but I didnt get rule 2. I said I cant follow the matrix. Some one else said the same thing.
Ill go away if you want.
Quote from: Turner on Oct 11, 02:27 PM 2012
I don't want to be a party pooper, but I didn't get rule 2. I said I can't follow the matrix. Some one else said the same thing.
Ill go away if you want.
Turner, I will stay on it till you get it. Contrary to someones suggestion that I don't want members to really know how this works. Its actually the exact opposite.
OKAY, just finished a session at BV, and here are the results of a game I played FIRST in a string of numbers. THEN in my standard diagram. Study the two Turner. And hopefully RULE 2 will click with you.
35*--13--18--20--35*--00--22--10+--32*--22--17--01+--29--25--27--27--11+--WIN BET 1--DOZEN 1.
The numbers above with the asterix next to them represent the GAME TRIGGER. Which in this instance was DOZEN 3. The numbers with the plus next to them represent the BET TRIGGER and Winning bet/dozen. Which in this instance was DOZEN 1. Now below in DIAGRAM FORM.
-----D1-----D2-----D3
-----08------02-----04-----GAME TRIGGER DOZEN 3
-----04------01-----04-----BET TRIGGER DOZEN 1
-----05------01-----04-----BET 1 DOZEN 1 WON AS IT WENT BEYOND A 4 GAP.
*THE FINAL RULE* This rule concludes instruction on how to play FIVE. And how to play back to back games. From here on I suggest you ask all your questions. And practice the method until you fully grasp it.
RULE 4,
Once you have played and won a game of FIVE. You can decide whether to end the session or PLAY ON. If you decide to play on. YOU MUST. Continue tracking spins until you are presented with a NEW/FRESH GAME TRIGGER. You then play your game as outlined in the rules. I do not recommend you play more than *4* back to back games in any one session. Adhering to this has payed off very well. Example below...
-----D1-----D2-----D3
-----04------05-----05-----GAME TRIGGER 1, DOZEN 1
-----04------04-----03-----BET TRIGGER DOZEN 2
-----08------02-----07
-----02------09-----03-----BET 1 DOZEN 2 WON AS IT WENT BEYOND A 4 GAP
-----04------06-----06-----GAME TRIGGER 2 DOZEN 1
-----02------01-----05
-----04------04-----03-----BET TRIGGER 1 DOZEN 2
-----11------04-----03-----BET 1 LOST AS IT BECAME A DOUBLE 4 GAP
-----03------06-----04-----BET TRIGGER 2 DOZEN 3
-----05------06-----11-----BET 2 WON AS IT WENT BEYOND A 4 GAP
That's all there is to the method. Simple and complex at the same time. But not as hard to understand as some think if you put in the effort. That is an example of two back to back games. And I recommend you play two at a time. Because sometimes random can take awhile to deliver 4 GAPS. But when it starts. It usually hits quite a few of them. So its wise to make the most of this.
Quote from: Still on Oct 11, 05:09 PM 2012
Ouch, there's a lot of information here being deleted here! I went to some extent to answer Turner for the sake of all, editing and re-editing for clarity. I was even told it was a great post. I went to make one more edit and it was gone!
The diagram i posted (Kevin's example), along with the question and answer could have stayed too.
JL, please weight the benefits of a clean and short thread with one that answers all the questions and gets the point across. There's a difference between contributions and agitation for the sake of making trouble.
Delete this, but not those.
Still my appologies. I wanted to keep the RULES close together. Ask all the questions you want now. The RULES are complete.
Ill be honest,
There is no way on this earth i would sit doing all this with a massive chance of making a mistake, for 40 or so spins to win 1 U.
JL....thanks for trying to explain it to me the second time (I appreciate it).
But it just looks like a foreign language to me......I am never gonna get it.
Also......"never gonna get it" is being caught up very quickly by "I dont think I want to get it"
Ill pull out of this one.
Good luck
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 11, 05:32 PM 2012
Still my appologies. I wanted to keep the RULES close together. Ask all the questions you want now. The RULES are complete.
One way to keep the rules together is, whenever you post a rule, first link to all the other rules, pointing to where to find all the preceding rules. That keeps all the rules together. Another way is to do the same, only on the last post, with all the rules, lock the thread. I was unaware every post inbetween the rules would be deleted or i would not have posted. in my opinion, a lot of info has been lost, and now will have to spend double time asking and answering questions that i thought were being handled along the way. The format was to present a rule and make sure it is understood before moving on. Then Robeenhut said he wanted all the rules now so then the method of presentment changed without notice. No problem, its just that i intended to contribute when i posted, and feel my efforts were devalued/wasted.
Quote from: Still on Oct 11, 05:44 PM 2012
One way to keep the rules together is, whenever you post a rule, first link to all the other rules, pointing to where to find all the preceding rules. That keeps all the rules together. I was unaware every post inbetween the rules would be deleted or i would not have posted. in my opinion, a lot of info has been lost, and now will have to spend double time asking and answering questions that i thought were being handled along the way. The format was to present a rule and make sure it is understood before moving on. Then Robeenhut said he wanted all the rules now so then the method of presentment changed without notice. No problem, its just that i intended to contribute when i posted, and feel my efforts were devalued/wasted.
Still again Sorry. I have taken onboard all you posted. Kevins tracking methods is the most straight forward. And I recommend it to all. Using the ABC format. Supermans looks good too. But I think we need one common format.
Quote from: Turner on Oct 11, 05:44 PM 2012
Ill be honest,
There is no way on this earth i would sit doing all this with a massive chance of making a mistake, for 40 or so spins to win 1 U.
JL....thanks for trying to explain it to me the second time (I appreciate it).
But it just looks like a foreign language to me......I am never gonna get it.
Also......"never gonna get it" is being caught up very quickly by "I don't think I want to get it"
Ill pull out of this one.
Good luck
Turner I respect your view. No method is even going to pull in 20% of the people who view it. That's human nature. Me personally I don't think in terms of spins and unit size. I think in terms of WINNING POTENTIAL. I have going on for 1100 wins in a row. Anyone who could show me a method that risks a relatively small progression to win over 1000 times, will have my undivided attention. I know FIVE is a winner. Its up to each individual to decide if they want to add this to their box of tricks. Kevin certainly has. And has enthused to me over how much he likes it.
He gets it. And will surely prospur from it. Its not ideal for live wheels. Its really made for an RNG like BV. And you will get a decent turnover on an RNG. I get games as short as 17 spins to 88 which is my longest to date. But the bottom line is how long can this thing win for?. I don't know. But I'm enjoying finding out.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 11, 05:51 PM 2012
Still again Sorry. I have taken onboard all you posted. Kevins tracking methods is the most straight forward. And I recommend it to all. Using the ABC format. Supermans looks good too. But I think we need one common format.
This isn't flying. Kevin's method is nowhere to be seen in this thread. How is it recommended?
Maybe now Robeenhut will come and assist explaining the method to any who still don't understand. I won't.
Quote from: Still on Oct 11, 06:04 PM 2012
This isn't flying. Kevin's method is nowhere to be seen in this thread. How is it recommended?
Maybe now Robeenhut will come and assist explaining the method to any who still don't understand. I won't.
Still cool down, Ive appologized. And promise you nothing that adds to the method from here on will be deleted okay? If you or Kevin want to bring back his diagram please do.
Regarding an entire game on the same DOZEN, the GAME TRIGGER and BET TRIGGER must indeed be separated by a 5 GAP or more. EXAMPLE
-----D1
-----04
-----03
-----04-----GAME TRIGGER
-----07
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
-----03-----We now bet this goes beyond a 4 GAP by covering Dozen 2 and Dozen 3.
This is a quote from reply #400 from an original FIVE thread. I think that it has to be added to complete the rules. The rest looks clear to me.
Great! With the addition of Robeenhuut's addendum/proviso, I think we have now got the complete rules, and thanks to JL for posting them in this separate thread.
To start off I will now spend time studying the examples for each rule and then try some practice games so as to identify such events during play...
Cheers,
A
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 12, 04:03 AM 2012
Great! With the addition of Robeenhuut's addendum/proviso, I think we have now got the complete rules, and thanks to JL for posting them in this separate thread.
To start off I will now spend time studying the examples for each rule and then try some practice games so as to identify such events during play...
Cheers,
A
A
Good luck. I hope you enjoy this as much as I have. Really puts a new spin on this game.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 12, 05:39 AM 2012
A
Good luck. I hope you enjoy this as much as I have. Really puts a new spin on this game.
I had my first losing game today on a live wheel helped by a ZERO on step 3. But I can't complain, 1094/1 is a heck of a run. Let's see if I can get anywhere near 1000 again.
arent there 4 steps in your progression ?
Quote from: Stepkevh on Oct 12, 09:10 AM 2012
aren't there 4 steps in your progression ?
Yes Stephan but the third step was caused by a ZERO. I've had zeros losng steps before, but always survived. I'm happy with what I've achieved so far. Now I start the journey again.
John
If you feel this is out of place...........well...........need I say it?
Suppose this thing shook out to win at the rate of 100-1. Not 400-1, but a paltry 100-1.
OK, it's a winner and a long term producer. However, the time spent at the box charting numbers simply isn't worth it. A greeter at Wal-Mart could make more money.
So, again, we need a bot.
Victor is now a bot creator. Why are we not paying him to create a test bot? Or Superman? Or anyone who can create virus-less bots? One over-night run on a bot would be worth weeks of testing.
I am an old dude who says........Dang, fellers. Let's get away from the Model T and buy a Lexus.
Sam
I totally agree with you Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 12, 09:20 AM 2012
John
If you feel this is out of place...........well...........need I say it?
Suppose this thing shook out to win at the rate of 100-1. Not 400-1, but a paltry 100-1.
OK, it's a winner and a long term producer. However, the time spent at the box charting numbers simply isn't worth it. A greeter at Wal-Mart could make more money.
So, again, we need a bot.
Victor is now a bot creator. Why are we not paying him to create a test bot? Or Superman? Or anyone who can create virus-less bots? One over-night run on a bot would be worth weeks of testing.
I am an old dude who says........Dang, fellers. Let's get away from the Model T and buy a Lexus.
Sam
Sam I cant see it ever being 100/1 At worst 300/1 There's no easy way for random to beat this. I wouldn't worry too much about Superman. He has alot of deniro coming his way over the years to come. And FIVE will be partly responsible for that.
****I wouldn't worry too much about Superman.*******
I am not the least bit worried about Superman, nor did I say or intimate that I was. You read into a person's post exactly what you want to whether there is a shred of evidence to support your thesis!!
I want to HIRE Superman.
FORUM:
You'll notice he totally failed to address the idea of creating a bot! Maybe two or three of you will read this before he deletes it.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 12, 11:54 AM 2012
****I wouldn't worry too much about Superman.*******
I am not the least bit worried about Superman, nor did I say or intimate that I was. You read into a person's post exactly what you want to whether there is a shred of evidence to support your thesis!!
I want to HIRE Superman.
FORUM:
You'll notice he totally failed to address the idea of creating a bot! Maybe two or three of you will read this before he deletes it.
Sam
Lol Sam I'm not deleting anythng. Bring on the Bot. You are missing the point. The very thing you want tested by a Bot is killing BV. I believe in testing on the format you intend to play on. I may be playing an RNG. But I'm still playing Hit and Run let's not forget that.
USA guys seem to mention Dublin bet and BV only.
What happens when an American tries to go on william hill, or bet fred, or ladbroke, or Grosvenor.
What do you see after clicking the link in google. or do you not even get past google.
I am with VirginMedia internet. It blocks 1 URL. Piratebay. Virgin and Pirate bay are in court.
I can go to any other download site/casino...anything in UK. BT internet doesnt block pirate bay. its a corporate block not gov.
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Oct 12, 12:40 PM 2012
USA guys seem to mention Dublin bet and BV only.
What happens when an American tries to go on william hill, or bet fred, or ladbroke, or Grosvenor.
What do you see after clicking the link in google. or do you not even get past google.
I am with VirginMedia internet. It blocks 1 URL. Piratebay. Virgin and Pirate bay are in court.
I can go to any other download site/casino...anything in UK. BT internet doesn't block pirate bay. its a corporate block not gov.
Turner
Why can't Americans freely bet online? That's what I want to know. They allow any nut to carry a gun. Yet they can't bet onlne. LAND OF THE FREE???
Turner
Take it from someone who has tried----extensively. To register at any casino, you must show proof of where you live. Undisputable proof!
John
Let's not get xenophobic!
We cannot bet because a bunch of blue-nosed Republicans attach a rider to a port authority bill. The bill enhances the safety of US ports, so few--if any--voted against it. Many say they new nothing about the rider. Many say they would have not voted for the bill had they known. This is a horrible flaw in our legislative system. But, hey, we got most of it from you!!
By the way, I am a Republican but I don't agree with everything our party does.
Yes, you're right. We carry guns and can lose our life savings at Riverwind Casino.
But all is not lost. Soon we will have interstate gambling from Vegas and Atlantic City. These casinos have learned there is no law against sending money to Nevada or New Jersey.
I doubt we'll see a zero wheel, but baccarat will be the same.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 12, 01:21 PM 2012
Turner
Take it from someone who has tried----extensively. To register at any casino, you must show proof of where you live. Undisputable proof!
John
Let's not get xenophobic!
We cannot bet because a bunch of blue-nosed Republicans attach a rider to a port authority bill. The bill enhances the safety of US ports, so few--if any--voted against it. Many say they new nothing about the rider. Many say they would have not voted for the bill had they known. This is a horrible flaw in our legislative system. But, hey, we got most of it from you!!
By the way, I am a Republican but I don't agree with everything our party does.
Yes, you're right. We carry guns and can lose our life savings at Riverwind Casino.
But all is not lost. Soon we will have interstate gambling from Vegas and Atlantic City. These casinos have learned there is no law against sending money to Nevada or New Jersey.
I doubt we'll see a zero wheel, but baccarat will be the same.
Sam
Sam how old is this law? Because I used to live in lewisville Texas and could go online to bet as late as 2004 when I was married to a Texan.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 11, 05:59 PM 2012
. Its not ideal for live wheels. Its really made for an RNG like BV.
Well, I will pass on this one JL as I need a method for B & M Double Zeros mainly.
I would be very interested to know what you are playing currently that fits that as I am new to the forum and so far have read the threads for P4, Pb, code4 in their entirety.
Have you moved on to something better than those that can be used for B&M 00 ?
Thanks.
You were married to a Texan. Well, hell man, that's your problem. Takes years to get over being around a Texan.
This law took effect in late 2007.
Sam
john...I thought you were american...your English but live in the states?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 12, 09:20 AM 2012
John
If you feel this is out of place...........well...........need I say it?
Suppose this thing shook out to win at the rate of 100-1. Not 400-1, but a paltry 100-1.
OK, it's a winner and a long term producer. However, the time spent at the box charting numbers simply isn't worth it. A greeter at Wal-Mart could make more money.
Sam.....agreed but if you bet pennies you are only going to win pennies and if you are betting pennies you are playing the wrong game.
Its all in the bankroll and what you are willing to bet/lose.
$100 profit over 5 games is my goal. 2 hours is my time limit. Not sure what progression I am going to use.
I do have the "luxury" of having the casino about 20 mins away...
BOT's and online casinos are all greek to me.
I'm in for suporting the Bot creator......
let's see when Roulette Xtreme have their Bot ready !!!!
Ray
Quote from: Turner on Oct 12, 03:44 PM 2012
john...I thought you were american...your English but live in the states?
No Turner I am British. And live in the UK. Some years ago I went to visit my cousin who lives in Dallas Texas. We went out to eat one night And I met this gorgeous southern belle. We got hitched. But we couldnt get along. You see she was a Mormon by birth and wanted me to give up gambling and drink. And go to the temple and convert. Well I loved her and she was wonderful a great cook and all. But I can't give up roulette for nobody.
It runs through my veins. So we had to part. I am still in contact with her and she married a good Mornon man in the end. The devils wheels gotta hold on you honey. She used to cus.
Kevint3
A good bot programmer could create a bot to play "hit and run", increase after a loss--1 3 9 27--or stop at a certain profit. Bots can even be created to play only until time to bet and then signal the human to take over. Robots are 21st Century. I'm all for them. My only fear is the defensive measures the casinos will take to thwart them.
ray
What's this about Rx and a bot? Haven't heard this.
Sam
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 12, 08:52 PM 2012
Sam.....agreed but if you bet pennies you are only going to win pennies and if you are betting pennies you are playing the wrong game.
Its all in the bankroll and what you are willing to bet/lose.
$100 profit over 5 games is my goal. 2 hours is my time lim
Kevin - I don't completely agree with you on this! I live in South Africa...so if I play for 1 pound that equates to R13 in my currency!
Remember - not everyone can afford a Ferrari - but some guys race just as good with a VW!
My 2 cents - pardon the pun! :twisted:
Regards,
M
The issue here is a speed. Even on RNG you can only get 3 games in one hour. If Stef could redo his tracker and extend it to larger number of spins....
i'm working on it ... whilest i'm busy learning to code excel ;D
but it's H*LL to get all these triggers (bt and gt) in a continuesly trot :D
i've seen difficult formulas to get triggers,
but this... formulate triggers to activate other triggers, oh boy :)
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 13, 02:41 AM 2012
The issue here is a speed. Even on RNG you can only get 3 games in one hour. If Stef could redo his tracker and extend it to larger number of spins....
To Matt and Stephan,, the trick is to play it with two or three other methods. As you know Matt I'm playing testing its cousin 8 ON 1 which is even stronger. And I play them two simultaneously. The two of them together, you have it made. Plus divide and Conquer which fills the gaps.while waitig. Or Two of a Kind, another rapid and underrated method. Or THE ZONE You don't sit there waiting for a game to qualify. Especially when you could lose a lot of points at BV by doing so to move the RNG.
This is why you should have several good methods. But heres the thing, what I've found to be true with random.. The longer the wait THE STRONGER THE METHOD. The price for certain success with this game remains our friend ******PATIENCE******. That will never change.
Those who have it can/will beat this game. Those that don't, will be system hopping and griping about their lack of consistent success until the end
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 12, 10:03 PM 2012
No Turner I am British. And live in the UK. Some years ago I went to visit my cousin who lives in Dallas Texas. We went out to eat one night And I met this gorgeous southern belle. We got hitched. But we couldnt get along. You see she was a Mormon by birth and wanted me to give up gambling and drink. And go to the temple and convert. Well I loved her and she was wonderful a great cook and all. But I can't give up roulette for nobody.
It runs through my veins. So we had to part. I am still in contact with her and she married a good Mornon man in the end. The devils wheels gotta hold on you honey. She used to cus.
Thanks jl.
Now theres something i really dont get then. Why are u and superman, both uk playing bv casino where you cant free spin. Why not use one of the 30 odd online casinos in uk where you can spin to qualify for free. I do on will hill.
Turner
Twocat, RX are creating a new version were if you create a system the bot will be able to play the system that you code into rx. The bot is still in beta phase and being tested on different platforms.
Quote from: Turner on Oct 13, 05:29 AM 2012
Thanks jl.
Now theres something i really don't get then. Why are u and superman, both uk playing bv casino where you can't free spin. Why not use one of the 30 odd online casinos in uk where you can spin to qualify for free. I do on will hill.
Turner
I don't trust UK Bookmaker based RNGs Turner. I HAVE played Ladbrokes RNG. And theres something about it I don't like. BV is very similar to Live wheels. Well at least while I'm playing smalltime. When 20 Euros becomes 2000 it might be another story. If it remains consistent. By 2015 I will have taken BV to pieces. You see a 20 Euro start with 8% compounded growth every 7 played days doesn't sound too impressive. But now add 8% to it 150 times in compounded form. And you will have some idea where I will be by 2015.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 13, 04:23 AM 2012
The longer the wait THE STRONGER THE METHOD. The price for certain success with this game remains our friend ******PATIENCE******. That will never change.
Those who have it can/will beat this game. Those that don't, will be system hopping and griping about their lack of consistent success until the end
JL...Truer words were never spoken.
Quote from: Juiced91 on Oct 13, 05:44 AM 2012
Twocat, RX are creating a new version were if you create a system the bot will be able to play the system that you code into rx. The bot is still in beta phase and being tested on different platforms.
Yes and it's nearly ready for release ~ I've been a beta tester for RX Bot for well over a year now...
What can I say ~ It really is a fantastic bit of kit, you dream it, it will play it..!
;D
and what will the pricetag be ?
And you will have some idea where I will be by 2015.
I'm sure you will be here on this forum still traying
to beat the game,same as all of us....LOL
No offence dear John,but no chance you or anybody can
beat RNG of BV,especially advertising it on this forum,
as if they don't read this and normally they would take
counter measure.Live B&M casino maybe but again would
it pay off expenses just wining few units nightly.
Quote from: topcat888 on Oct 13, 12:50 PM 2012
What can I say ~ It really is a fantastic bit of kit, you dream it, it will play it..!
;D
Very nice.
You just need to have one, well maybe not so important triffle.. :wink:
Winning bet
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: Stepkevh on Oct 13, 01:52 PM 2012
and what will the pricetag be ?
About $19.95 as an add-on product... There are some very clever features that have been built into the bot including the ability to bet virtual until a certain trigger/value has been reached.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Oct 13, 02:01 PM 2012
And you will have some idea where I will be by 2015.
I'm sure you will be here on this forum still trying
to beat the game,same as all of us....LoL
No offence dear John,but no chance you or anybody can
beat RNG of BV,especially advertising it on this forum,
as if they don't read this and normally they would take
counter measure.Live B&M casino maybe but again would
it pay off expenses just wining few units nightly.
Flat has it ever occurred to you that you could be wrong? BV is behaving exactly like a live wheel. that's what's interesting. And if I go to a live casino what makes you think I am winning just a few units? I never play just one method. I have 2---4 on the go always. And If I play live a point is worth 5 units minumum.
At the moment BV is EXACTLY like a live wheel. Heres the thing, if your method is any good to start with. It will tell you when something is wrong. Because a VIRTUAL limit is a point that random simply doesn't cross very often. Theres no mystery Flat. I already know I should win. Do you understand what I am saying? I am not the guy who plays a method with 2 or 3k. Hoping he doesn't hit the mother of all drawdowns. And leaves with a face like a bulldog chewing a wasps nest. I have seen that kind of playing once too often. I was once THAT KIND OF PLAYER. That's not a method. That's a cross your fingers and hope the worst doesn't happen way of playing.
I expect to win, that's the difference. People cry oh but its just not fast enoough. The point is eternally being missed here. You don't rush REAL SUCCESS. Its coming, but its coming at a price. And that price is patience. So they can all look down an say "geez. this member is winning this amount and JL is only winning pennies at BV how come"? They don't realize what's going to happen over time. I was kindly given the account of Superman with a 20 EURO start. To match the 2012 points I had amassed on Bayes RNG. So I am playing it as I would with 2000 EURO. I would aim for around 8% growth per played week. Anyone who knows their math knows that if you add 8% to even 20 euro a 100 plus times in compounded form, its going to get HUGE.
And that's at only just over 1% per played day. Who can really win 1% on average, of their total BR everytime they play? If you can even get close to that, you have this game beaten PROPERLY.
You never rush success at the expense of your bankroll, that's fools gold. You risk and grow in RELATION to the size of your bankroll. So when that rare losing day hits me, It means little anyhow. Just a minor setback, not a confidence and bankroll destroying day. That's the lesson that needs stamping in more players minds.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR *****FIVE***** FOR THE 14/10/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1,120
TOTAL GAMES WON 1,119
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 1,119/1
BALANCE 1,040 POINTS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS=442
STEP 2 WINS=412
STEP 3 WINS=191
STEP 4 WINS=74----LOSSES=1
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 14, 07:13 AM 2012
RESULTS UPDATE FOR *****FIVE***** FOR THE 14/10/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1,120
TOTAL GAMES WON 1,119
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 1,119/1
BALANCE 1,040 POINTS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS=442
STEP 2 WINS=412
STEP 3 WINS=191
STEP 4 WINS=74----LOSSES=1
I commented before on odds of John having run of consecutive wins in excess of 1000 as 3 in 1M but to win 70 consecutive double dozen bets your odds are more or less 1 in 1 BILLION. And it happened in step 4 bets. Its best proof that anything can happen in roulette. ;D
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Good job. Perfectly played. It takes patience.
I was playing in a casino today and random had such a hard time forming 4 gaps that i did lose
patience and started to bet a few 3 gaps against turning into 4's (and winning) while playing out
the rest of the game.
Really **FIVE** is a great new twist to play.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 14, 06:06 PM 2012
Good job. Perfectly played. It takes patience.
I was playingg in a casino today and random had such a hard tI'me forming 4 gAdvantage-plays theat i did lose
patience and started to bet a few 3 gAdvantage-plays against tyourning into 4's (and winning) while playingg out
thee rest of thee game.
Really **FI've** is a great new twist to play.
I had a tricky game today, I will post my results later. I was taken to the fourth step.... after I lost on the 3rd step, that particular dozen turned into a quadruple four gap, which bled into the trigger for my fourth bet. I'am pretty sure I played it correctly. that is what's good about having control over the RNG. the tracking can be confusing.
that particular game took me well over 100 spins!
so I'am wandering how many dummy bets can you make on BV before your breaking the terms of use?
when i get bored i use the "dummy bet" feature on flukey lukes system 9 bot to quickly generate spins. it would be nice if somebody would develop a bot that would generate RNG spins. with a strategy that loses minimally and won't violate the BV terms of use.
I have had a few 100+ spin games myself.
Playing in the casino I do need to bet on red/black to get the wheel moving. If I feel a "zero due" I will start playing that instead to keep the wheel moving and occasionally winning on that.
Like John, I am always searching for "side bets" within a game of **FIVE** but mainly with lower priced units then I will bet on the double 4 gaps.
I have yet to be taken to the third step but we are only talking about roughly 10 games played so far.
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Wow..that is one hell of a game.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 14, 08:39 PM 2012
I have had a few 100+ spin games myself.
Playing in the casino I do need to bet on red/black to get the wheel moving. If I feel a "zero due" I will start playing that instead to keep the wheel moving and occasionally winning on that.
Like John, I am always searching for "side bets" within a game of **FIVE** but mainly with lower priced units then I will bet on the double 4 gaps.
I have yet to be taken to the third step but we are only talking about roughly 10 games played so far.
Kevin what is the shortest game you have had so far? And what are the most consecutive 4 GAPS you have seen on a single dozen? Also to speed turnover Im thinking of playing this on COLUMNS Too. You will get more games for sure.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 15, 01:25 AM 2012
Kevin what is the shortest game you have had so far? And what are the most consecutive 4 GAPS you have seen on a single dozen? Also to speed turnover I'm thinking of playing this on COLUMNS Too. You will get more games for sure.
JL....keep in mind I haven't played a whole lot of "for money" games yet but I have been logging those ones.
Shortest game was 42 spins. Most consecutive 4 gaps was 3 so far. Hoping to get over there tonight but lately there just seem to be enough hours in a day!!!
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 15, 01:25 AM 2012
Kevin what is the shortest game you have had so far? And what are the most consecutive 4 GAPS you have seen on a single dozen? Also to speed turnover I'm thinking of playing this on COLUMNS Too. You will get more games for sure.
Consecutive 4 gaps means there are only 1 or 2 or 3 gaps between, right?
yep but 2 consecutives are seperated by one greater than 4.
4 1 1 3 4 1 6 4 1 4 2 3 8 4 4 is the same as 4 4 6 4 4 8 4 4 :-)
Quote from: marivo on Oct 15, 08:04 AM 2012
Consecutive 4 gaps means there are only 1 or 2 or 3 gaps between, right?
That's right Marivo. I'm not even getting 5 consecutive on BV. And I'm betting against there being 8. I will write up this method I call 8 ON 1 this week. Its even stronger than FIVE. Not challenged in 300 games.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 15, 01:25 AM 2012
Kevin what is the shortest game you have had so far? And what are the most consecutive 4 GAPS you have seen on a single dozen? Also to speed turnover I'm thinking of playing this on COLUMNS Too. You will get more games for sure.
In fun mode on BVnoZ I reached 8 consecutive 4 gaps on single doz (just 1,2 or 3 gaps between) in my very first attempt where I observed single doz consecutive 4 gaps. Numbers are attached. It happened on doz 3.
Quote from: marivo on Oct 15, 08:33 AM 2012
In fun mode on BVnoZ I reached 8 consecutive 4 gaps on single doz (just 1,2 or 3 gaps between) in my very first attempt where I observed single doz consecutive 4 gaps. Numbers are attached. It happened on doz 3.
Marivo I have never recorded even 5 in REAL MONEY MODE. On BV single zero. I think the nozero is tougher to beat. It changes something In the flow of results
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 15, 08:39 AM 2012
Marivo I have never recorded even 5 in REAL MONEY MODE. On BV single zero. I think the nozero is tougher to beat. It changes something In the flow of results
It looks so.....I didn't expect it either, believe me....
You won't believe it.....it went to 11 consecutive 4 gaps on doz 3! It was stopped by 5 gap. Numbers attached. It was continuation of the previous seasson.
I believe it, yesterday I had my second loss with FIVE on BV NZ so it definitely looks like it is tougher to beat BV NZ. The only problem I have with the European Roulette is the occasional loss of 6 cents. So I think I'm gonna try out the European Roulette on BV later today.
Quote from: SamNL on Oct 15, 09:44 AM 2012
I believe it, yesterday I had my second loss with FIVE on BV NZ so it definitely looks like it is tougher to beat BV NZ. The only problem I have with the European Roulette is the occasional loss of 6 cents. So I think I'm gonna try out the European Roulette on BV later today.
Try it. 11 4Gaps is something you should see maybe never. I haven't even seen 7 in all the years I played the ZONE. 6 is the most a live wheel ever showed me. And I've not even seen a 1 six on european BV. No Zero may actually make the ridiculous possible. Remember that missing number changes the layout. Also where are nearly all people on BV going to play? If there's any foul play as F_LAT_INO suggests, its likely to be there. I may die before I ever see 11 4gaps live. Play the Zero wheel its never shown me anything to be suspicious of.
I am curious about the rules of 8 on 1. Maybe I didn't count correctly , despite everything....
1 thing though JL, how do you deal with the occasional loss on the zero?
Quote from: SamNL on Oct 15, 10:43 AM 2012
1 thing though JL, how do you deal with the occasional loss on the zero?
Well I haven't been risking 6 points to move the RNG. I've been taking my chances on the even chances. And its hindered my progress. Sometimes I'm losing 50--100 points In a session. So I have to play longer and risk more than I want to on a game. To try and win 1% of my bankroll. About 30 points. Now I will cover against the Zero. Let's say I get 5 zeros in a session. I will still be better off Sam. 30 points is easier to recoup than 50--100. Id be 7--10 euros better off if I had done it from the start. I though you couldn't dummy bet. Superman told me you can.
Quote from: SamNL on Oct 15, 10:43 AM 2012
1 thing though JL, how do you deal with the occasional loss on the zero?
A few things I am doing...I need to bet to get the wheel moving. I typically bet red and black to do so. After a while (30) or so..of no zero showing I just start betting a unit on just the zero to continue tracking in 5. I do get a hit occasionally.
Another method I do is if I lose by getting a zero while tracking it would be the 2 units on red/black so i do keep track of those loses and I try to play 4 games for profit. Then at the end of the 4 games i will total all zero losses and play a 5th game for that alone.
Lastly another thing I haven't done much of but will start...is that I will start betting within a game of five on the 3gaps not forming 4's. I obviously will have losses when the 4's form but i do see a lot of opportunity there. It will just be minimal $1 on each dozen but the profit made on those should cover zero losses especially in the larger 100+ spin games.
Just a few ideas i am kicking around.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 15, 08:31 AM 2012
That's right Marivo. I'm not even getting 5 consecutive on BV. And I'm betting against there being 8. I will write up this method I call 8 ON 1 this week. Its even stronger than FIVE. Not challenged in 300 games.
Very interested in this. Could it be played within a game of ***FIVE***?
There is one simple solution for the test. Just bet 0.1 base bet on FIVE and use 0.01 on other bets to keep RNG going. You wont risk much and sooner or later you will have to bet larger stakes to make it playable. Right now it looks kind of ridiculous that in 100 spins you place 90 bets on other methods and just a few on FIVE to gain the same unit size. You would not play like this for real money. ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 16, 01:54 AM 2012
There is one simple solution for the test. Just bet 0.1 base bet on FIVE and use 0.01 on other bets to keep RNG going. You won't risk much and sooner or later you will have to bet larger stakes to make it playable. Right now it looks kind of ridiculous that in 100 spins you place 90 bets on other methods and just a few on FIVE to gain the same unit size. You would not play like this for real money. ;D
True Matt, that's why my progress has been slower than id like. I would easily have doubled the 20 euro start by now without this problem. I'm going to try the 6 unit cover against zero, to move the RNG. And bet heavier 5 points a game on FIVE and 8 on 1. Plus use columns for greater bet frequency. I can't bet much this week as I'm travelling a lot. But next week and especially in November. I will really focus on BV and smash my way through the 40 euro barrier and on to my first milestone of 50 EURO 5000 POINTS....
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 15, 10:27 PM 2012
Very interested in this. Could it be played within a game of ***FIVE***?
Yes Kevin. The basic method is you wait for 3 consecutive 4 gaps on a dozen or column and bet against there being 8 using a 5 step progression. 1,3,9,27,81. Or 4 step against there being 7 if you want to play safer. In 198 games on BV. I've never had more than 5 consecutive 4 gaps. EXAMPLE BELOW.
DOZEN 2
04
02
04
04----BET TRIGGER
04----BET 1 LOST
04----BET 2 LOST
03
05----BET 3 WON
That's the longest its taken me to win so far.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 15, 10:26 PM 2012
A few things I am doing...I need to bet to get the wheel moving. I typically bet red and black to do so. After a while (30) or so..of no zero showing I just start betting a unit on just the zero to continue tracking in 5. I do get a hit occasionally.
Another method I do is if I lose by getting a zero while tracking it would be the 2 units on red/black so i do keep track of those loses and I try to play 4 games for profit. Then at the end of the 4 games i will total all zero losses and play a 5th game for that alone.
Lastly another thing I haven't done much of but will start...is that I will start betting within a game of five on the 3gaps not forming 4's. I obviously will have losses when the 4's form but i do see a lot of opportunity there. It will just be minimal $1 on each dozen but the profit made on those should cover zero losses especially in the larger 100+ spin games.
Just a few ideas i am kicking around.
Very good Kevin, you are really thinking about this. Yes that's an idea betting for 4 GAPS not to happen. What I've noticed when logging results is you get fields of 25--40 spins with no 4 GAPS. Then you often get a field with several. Random ever morphing. But still it struggles to defeat the parameters of FIVE and especially 8 ON 1...
I am liking the 8 on 1 idea played alongside **five**...
Play noZero bet flat on a Ec, in methods you bet 1 in 40 spins, you will be about break even, it will not cost very much. If it do bet opposite ;D
I play zero wheel as I get better off as winning is taxed at BV.
Or use a EC method while tracing and bookkeep it separate.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 16, 03:46 PM 2012
I am liking the 8 on 1 idea played alongside **five**...
Yes Kevin, it helps to get more out of your time invested. I'm going to play FIVE and 8 ON 1 on the columns too. To double the action.
So it's everyone winnings so far with this method? It will take me a while to get into be honest
Quote from: Amazin on Oct 18, 09:35 AM 2012
So it's everyone winnings so far with this method? It will take me a while to get into be honest
I'm not playing at all this week. Be back on it Monday. Its doing well one loss in 1130 games. Its not fast enough for most. Which is a pity. Can be more fruitful played on columns too. And played with 8 on 1. IL take solid strikerate over uncertainty and gut wrenching drawdowns anytime. If you want to win. Its here...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 18, 03:21 PM 2012
I'm not playing at all this week. Be back on it Monday. Its doing well one loss in 1130 games. Its not fast enough for most. Which is a pity. Can be more fruitful played on columns too. And played with 8 on 1. IL take solid strikerate over uncertainty and gut wrenching drawdowns anytime. If you want to win. Its here...
Gut wrenching drawdowns are too much for me. It feels aweful because all the time and energy wasted.
out of curiosity John, have you been playing on BV alot now because before you prefered Paddy Power. What other methods are you using at the moment?
Quote from: Amazin on Oct 18, 06:26 PM 2012
Gut wrenching drawdowns are too much for me. It feels aweful because all the time and energy wasted.
out of curiosity John, have you been playing on BV a lot now because before you prefered Paddy Power. What other methods are you using at the moment?
Still use paddy power and betfred Amazin. BV is a new experience for me. Its the first time I've trusted a real money RNG.
I'm playing PATTERN BREAKER, MATRIX VERTICAL 5 E/C, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, CODE 4, TWO OF A KIND, FIVE, THE ZONE AND THE NEW IDEA 8 ON 1. Usually 4 of these in a session.
Hi Can you tell me where I can find the 8 in 1 system I just cant find the post about it
Thanks :-\
Quote from: sturrock on Oct 19, 11:02 AM 2012
Hi Can you tell me where I can find the 8 in 1 system I just can't find the post about it
Thanks :-\
You won't find it because its not here yet. Its as simple as A,B,C. Unlike FIVE LoL!!!!!!!! But very effective. I'll Post it up over the weekend. Have been away with the Mrs playing the happy hubby. Haven't placed a single bet all week. Like most women she doesn't like my gambling lifestyle. But makes no complaint when I'm spending the winnings on her. 8 on 1 over the weekend...
Thanks John! That new hope...
Will 8 on 1 be able to be played @ B & M double "00" ?
@JL: if BV works out for you then it can change your whole roulette experience because you can earn lot more. My personal experience is that BV cheats also but I'm willing to try again. Please don't stop the BV challenge.
Please don't stop the BV challenge.
I thought it had stopped.
Quote from: Amazin on Oct 19, 06:06 PM 2012
@JL: if BV works out for you then it can change your whole roulette experience because you can earn lot more. My personal experience is that BV cheats also but I'm willing to try again. Please don't stop the BV challenge.
Amazin I've not stopped I've been on vacation with the wife. I don't think BV cheat, certainly not on the single zero wheel. It behaves EXACTLY like a live wheel only faster. NO, this challenge will go for years. Until I have shown I can win longterm. And made Superman and myself, some serious money in the process. The only thing I'm curious about, is how far will I be allowed to go? Will they stand by and let me take half a million Euro from them? I doubt it, but well find out. How they respond not to a lucky winner. But someone who they realize has them systematically beaten like clockwork for alltime. That's my main interest in this.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 20, 02:36 AM 2012
Amazin I've not stopped I've been on vacation with the wife. I don't think BV cheat, certainly not on the single zero wheel. It behaves EXACTLY like a live wheel only faster. NO, this challenge will go for years. Until I have shown I can win longterm. And made Superman and myself, some serious money in the process. The only thing I'm curious about, is how far will I be allowed to go? Will they stand by and let me take half a million Euro from them? I doubt it, but well find out. How they respond not to a lucky winner. But someone who they realize has them systematically beaten like clockwork for alltime. That's my main interest in this.
John
How can you make a statement that BV does not cheat after playing only few games? What happens if you lose next few games? That BV somehow caught up with your betting scheme?
Concerning your spinoff from FIVE - 8 ON 1 in the original FIVE thread there is a tracker for it made by Stepkevh. It shows you a number of consecutive 4's gaps in each dozen in RNG generated 500 spins. Sometimes there is no bet because there are no 3 4's gaps in 500 spins in any dozen.
I did not see anything special in a strike rate. You can go few hundreds sessions without a loss but sometimes you get few within a hundred. Its the same for FIVE. As i posted before going 70/0 on a final 4th double dozen bet in FIVE happens as often as RED hitting 40 consecutive times. I know that i will be dismissed as a math boy but get a binomial calculator and calculate the odds for yourself.
I just feel that John is pulling our leg in this challenge. His numbers are just too good to be true.
I can not help being skeptical here. And even if its not the case its way too early to make any predictions here.
QuoteThe only thing I'm curious about, is how far will I be allowed to go? Will they stand by and let me take half a million Euro from them?
There you go again, we all know at some point you will get a bad run of random that will work against you, THEY wont be manually sending you that run it will just happen, that's what random does, even if you win for the next 2 years THEY know (that's IF they are watching you, which I doubt) at some point random will send out a run from he|| as others call it, so just relax, stop with the negative quotes and just plod on as you are.
QuoteAnd made Superman and myself, some serious money in the process
Can't wait :thumbsup:
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 20, 07:20 AM 2012
John
How can you make a statement that BV does not cheat after playing only few games? What happens if you lose next few games? That BV somehow caught up with your betting scheme?
Concerning your spinoff from FIVE - 8 ON 1 in the original FIVE thread there is a tracker for it made by Stepkevh. It shows you a number of consecutive 4's gaps in each dozen in RNG generated 500 spins. Sometimes there is no bet because there are no 3 4's gaps in 500 spins in any dozen.
I did not see anything special in a strike rate. You can go few hundreds sessions without a loss but sometimes you get few within a hundred. Its the same for FIVE. As i posted before going 70/0 on a final 4th double dozen bet in FIVE happens as often as RED hitting 40 consecutive times. I know that i will be dismissed as a math boy but get a binomial calculator and calculate the odds for yourself.
I just feel that John is pulling our leg in this challenge. His numbers are just too good to be true.
I can not help being skeptical here. And even if its not the case its way too early to make any predictions here.
Matt I'm not certain BV don't cheat it just hasn't happenned yet. Regarding 8 on 1 and FIVE. BV offers plenty of play on both. No 500 spins without a game. There is always dozens stringing together three 4 GAPS. And double 4 GAPS. BUT!!!!!! They never go beyond FIVE in either case so far. BV is easier to beat than a live wheel or Bayes RNG so far. So of course time will tell Matt. But 8 on 1 in particular isn't even beimg challenged. Live or BV. Which brings into question, the reliance and accuracy of this tracker in relation to these two formats. Something is not right.
Quote from: superman on Oct 20, 08:16 AM 2012
There you go again, we all know at some point you will get a bad run of random that will work against you, THEY won't be manually sending you that run it will just happen, that's what random does, even if you win for the next 2 years THEY know (that's IF they are watching you, which I doubt) at some point random will send out a run from he|| as others call it, so just relax, stop with the negative quotes and just plod on as you are.
Can't wait :thumbsup:
Yes Superman point taken. I'm not worried about it yet, once we go bigtime. That's when I will be scrutinizing everything. Runs from hell. Its been 7 plus years since I had one. Since I have played hit and run.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 20, 08:26 AM 2012
Matt I'm not certain BV don't cheat it just hasn't happenned yet. Regarding 8 on 1 and FIVE. BV offers plenty of play on both. No 500 spins without a game. There is always dozens stringing together three 4 GAPS. And double 4 GAPS. BUT!!!!!! They never go beyond FIVE in either case so far. BV is easier to beat than a live wheel or Bayes RNG so far. So of course time will tell Matt. But 8 on 1 in particular isn't even beimg challenged. Live or BV. Which brings into question, the reliance and accuracy of this tracker in relation to these two formats. Something is not right.
I think that tracker for 8 ON 1 is right. The one for FIVE was made before the rules were clear. Just find for yourself.
JL this example is correct?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
02---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
or this?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
06---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
this is correct?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
03
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
07
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 20, 10:15 AM 2012
I think that tracker for 8 ON 1 is right. The one for FIVE was made before the rules were clear. Just find for yourself.
Matt I don't question that the tracker is right or wrong (as a tracker) What I doubt, is it accuratley predicts what a live wheel or even manmade random at BV will show you. Especially when its window of opportunity to show you a loss is limited to a maximum of 4 consecutive games.
Now I can only go by the results/recorded data, I have put together over 7 years. But what I am saying is within that data. A live wheel has never shown me more that 6 consecutive 4 GAPS. And now playing BV single zero. I have never been shown more than 5 consecutive 4 GAPS. Now I know approx 2,500 potential games is not a big sample. But it suggests to me that played Hit and Run. 8 consecutive 4 GAPS, is something I will run into rarely. How rare I cannot say. But certainly upwards of 800/1 looks more than realistic. Only time will show me a true average.
Its like I have said before. Knowing something can lose, and running into that loss are two very different things. Of course all successful methods don't know losing too often. My extreme confidence in 8 ON 1 is simply for the fact, it remains not only loss free, but challenge free too.
There are few if any realistic and playable methods that could say that over 2,500 plus potential games. At a relatively small risk of 242 units.
Any method that could make a similar claim, is likey to have a lot more on the line.
Again, I offer to pay the major portion of a bot. Anyone?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 21, 08:51 AM 2012
Again, I offer to pay the major portion of a bot. Anyone?
:thumbsup: i will pay as well!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 21, 08:51 AM 2012
Again, I offer to pay the major portion of a bot. Anyone?
Count me in Sam!
Stop the PM's please, my test bot can be changed into a real betting bot with a couple of hours of work, BUT I don't do blanket bots, never have, never will.
Defenition of blanket bot: a bot you can download and use on any machine and any game platform. My bots are made to order only and will only run on that persons pc he wont be able to run it on his laptop and pc only 1 machine
To clear up something, I never PMed anyone but Victor.
I'll not mention the bot again unless I want to hire Superman to make me one exclusively.
Sam
QuoteI'll not mention the bot again unless I want to hire Superman to make me one exclusively
Anyone is welcome to contact me via PM, but not with offers of chipping in to make a one size fits all bot/tool, the only time I would ever do that is if/when something is found to work grail like, which may never happen anyway.
JL or anyone who understands the method properly, JL says after the initial 4,4 trigger, IF the next 4 gap is on the same dozen it must be seperated by a 5 or higher
4
4
5/6/7 etc
4
Just analizing the counter I made initially to see how many possible triggers there are over the spin files I have I now have a question of course, the file has produced this on the same dozen
4|4|0|2|1|5|0|5|1|2|0|4
4|4 is the initial trigger, then 10th along is the next 4, none of the other dozens produced a 4 so is this eligable as the betting trigger?
Quote from: superman on Oct 24, 08:07 AM 2012
JL or anyone who understands the method properly, JL says after the initial 4,4 trigger, IF the next 4 gap is on the same dozen it must be seperated by a 5 or higher
4
4
5/6/7 etc
4
Just analizing the counter I made initially to see how many possible triggers there are over the spin files I have I now have a question of course, the file has produced this on the same dozen
4|4|0|2|1|5|0|5|1|2|0|4
4|4 is the initial trigger, then 10th along is the next 4, none of the other dozens produced a 4 so is this eligable as the betting trigger?
[/quote)Yee Superman, a game of 5 can be played on a single dozen. So long as the GAME. TRIGGER and BET TRIGGER are separated by a 5 GAP or more. As they are in your example.
So as long as one or more of the next gaps is greater than or equal to 5? so this wouldnt work
4|4|0|2|1|3|0|2|1|2|0|4
I'm finding different rules again JL, I think this was the initial rule
QuoteTHE RULES.
1, We track the dozens until one of them produces two consecutive 4 gaps as in the example below.
DOZEN 1
6
7
4
4---This is our trigger.
2, we now continue tracking until another dozen or the same dozen produces another 4 gap. If the same dozen produces a 4 gap it must be separated from the starting trigger by a gap greater than 4 as in the example below.
DOZEN 1
6
7
4
4---Trigger
5
4--Trigger to bet.
5--Win, as it did not become another 4 gap.
But on the other *****FIVE***** thread you gave different examples without 2 consecutive 4 gaps, so which is it?
Quote from: superman on Oct 24, 08:38 AM 2012
So as long as one or more of the next gaps is greater than or equal to 5? so this wouldnt work
4|4|0|2|1|3|0|2|1|2|0|4
No anything less than 4 isn't counted. So In effect that is a TREBLE 4 GAP TRIGGER. And that is what we want for 8 ON 1.
Quote from: superman on Oct 24, 08:38 AM 2012
So as long as one or more of the next gaps is greater than or equal to 5? so this wouldnt work
4|4|0|2|1|3|0|2|1|2|0|4
I'm finding different rules again JL, I think this was the initial rule
But on the other *****FIVE***** thread you gave different examples without 2 consecutive 4 gaps, so which is it?
Forget the thread Superman. Id been drinking when I wrote that. A game trigger and bet trigger must be separated by a 5 Gap or more, when on the same dozen. That's it.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 24, 08:43 AM 2012
No anything less than 4 isn't counted. So In effect that is a TREBLE 4 GAP TRIGGER. And that is what we want for 8 ON 1.
A pity FIVE has been passed up by everyone. Its now standing at 1,300/1 Still not anywhere near losing on BV. And even live, its not been past step 3 since the single loss. And have not had to compromise triggers to get a decent turnover.
JL...
Not me..I love Five...just building bankroll to get back in the action. I actually like five better the 8 on 1 because I think five can give more betting opportunities.
KT
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 29, 04:35 PM 2012
A pity FIVE has been passed up by everyone. Its now standing at 1,300/1 Still not anywhere near losing on BV. And even live, its not been past step 3 since the single loss. And have not had to compromise triggers to get a decent turnover.
My reason is not a turnover factor. I just don't think that any human being can duplicate your run of 1000+ consecutive wins or 70 of last step double dozen bets. Based on statistical probability the method that produced such stats has to be declared HOLY GRAIL method ;D Putting things in perspective your 400 winning run in 8 on 1 happens 1 in 5 times. If you don't believe these stats get a second opinion.
I know that you don't like using math. Anybody here can confirm that?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 29, 04:35 PM 2012
A pity FIVE has been passed up by everyone. Its now standing at 1,300/1 Still not anywhere near losing on BV. And even live, its not been past step 3 since the single loss. And have not had to compromise triggers to get a decent turnover.
Not by me, I'm still playing FIVE on the European Roulette on BV and doing well. Playing Hit and Run.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 30, 03:31 AM 2012
My reason is not a turnover factor. I just don't think that any human being can duplicate your run of 1000+ consecutive wins or 70 of last step double dozen bets. Based on statistical probability the method that produced such stats has to be declared HOLY GRAIL method ;D Putting things in perspective your 400 winning run in 8 on 1 happens 1 in 5 times. If you don't believe these stats get a second opinion.
I know that you don't like using math. Anybody here can confirm that?
Well here's how I read it Matt. Most people will only consider a method a grail if it never loses. I consider a method a grail if longterm it doesnt show negative numbers. And pound for pound. I don't believe there's anything with 80 units max on the line that can give you a better return.
You have to also keep in mind the one loss I've suffered wasn't a true one. As ZERO was responsible for one of the losing steps. So I've yet to have random present me with a true FIVE.
I think you are making too much of these 70+ holds on step 4. I didn't push this method for nothing. I know how good it is. If ten people play it like me you'll get another 1000 plus winner. So on this forum you have Kevint3 and Samnl and myself playing FIVE.
You have to also keep in mind the one loss I've suffered wasn't a true one. As ZERO was responsible for one of the losing steps.
So you lost the progression, but didn't lose?
I gotta go on that one.......
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 30, 11:25 AM 2012
You have to also keep in mind the one loss I've suffered wasn't a true one. As ZERO was responsible for one of the losing steps.
So you lost the progression, but didn't lose?
I gotta go on that one.......
Samster
I lost the progreasipn, but I wasn't looking at a FIVE. That's what I'm saying. This formation is very hard for random to produce. Matt thinks a thousand wins is extraordinary. Try 3,594 Matt.That's my documented run until the first loss. And as I play it. It wouldn't surprise me if I went another 3000 plus Matt.
example#1
this is correct?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
02---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
or this?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
06---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
example#2
this is correct?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
03
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
07
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
example#3 is correct?
numbers from BV NZ: 4,17,33,33,15,34,23,31,20,34,22,23,13,17,19,36,21,34,3,22,9,5,16,35,15,2,7,36,2,33,27,17,9,10,32,17,5,16,24,33,22,10,6,2,22,36,21,10,9,34,25,19,9,22,31
5,16,35,15,2
2,33,27,17,9 -> game trigger
35,15,2,7,36 -> bet trigger 1
27,17,9,10,32 -> bet trigger 1 LOST
17,9,10,32,17 -> bet trigger 2
22,10,6,2,22 -> bet trigger 2 LOST
2,22,36,21,10 -> bet trigger 3
9,34,25,19,9 -> bet trigger 3 LOST
36,21,10,9,34 -> bet trigger 4
25,19,9,22,31 -> bet trigger 4 LOST
GAME OVER - LOST 80 units
Quote from: xeo on Oct 30, 02:38 PM 2012
example#1
this is correct?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
02---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
or this?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
06---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
example#2
this is correct?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
03
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
07
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
example#3 is correct?
numbers from BV NZ: 4,17,33,33,15,34,23,31,20,34,22,23,13,17,19,36,21,34,3,22,9,5,16,35,15,2,7,36,2,33,27,17,9,10,32,17,5,16,24,33,22,10,6,2,22,36,21,10,9,34,25,19,9,22,31
5,16,35,15,2
2,33,27,17,9 -> game trigger
35,15,2,7,36 -> bet trigger 1
27,17,9,10,32 -> bet trigger 1 LOST
17,9,10,32,17 -> bet trigger 2
22,10,6,2,22 -> bet trigger 2 LOST
2,22,36,21,10 -> bet trigger 3
9,34,25,19,9 -> bet trigger 3 LOST
36,21,10,9,34 -> bet trigger 4
25,19,9,22,31 -> bet trigger 4 LOST
GAME OVER - LOST 80 units
XEO if you are saying you played one game on BVNZ and got that. I won't argue because I personally wouldnt play BVNZ. I don't trust it. And secondly as I have mentioned before. The absence of the ZERO could make a difference to pattern formation. So methods like FIVE and 8 ON 1 might not perform as well. That's my fascination with Twisters quest on BVNZ. You play a game of FIVE and get that. He is pushing 200 games of 8 ON 1 and not even being challenged.
All I know XEO is played on a single ZERO wheel. I have 1,310/1 in real play. And considerably more documented from my days with THE ZONE. So you play a single game on a different format and find an instant loss. What does that mean? Not much to me personally. Find it on the single zero version of BV???
Play the method in the field IT WAS BORN. That's why I have no time for things like random.org. To me they in no way relate to real roulette and real random.
JL--
So if playing five for instance..you are tracking 4 gaps and get this 1-35-22-ZERO-14-10 .....do you consider that a four gap by discarding the zero? or do you tract the zero's in your game and that would not be a four gap?..like this...1-35-22-ZERO-10-33....four gap on last dozen?
I, personally have been ignoring the Zeros when tracking. If they get me while betting I take the loss but bet on the very next spin...
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 30, 06:54 PM 2012
JL--
So if playing five for instance..you are tracking 4 gaps and get this 1-35-22-ZERO-14-10 .....do you consider that a four gap by discarding the zero? or do you tract the zero's in your game and that would not be a four gap?..like this...1-35-22-ZERO-10-33....four gap on last dozen?
I, personally have been ignoring the Zeros when tracking. If they get me while betting I take the loss but bet on the very next spin...
Very good question Kevin. Up until now I have always counted the zero as part of a 4 GAP. My only loss to date was caused by a Zero hitting on one of the steps. Not saying it wouldnt have lost anyway. But the Zero is an empty number. Unless you are covering it. On the other hand. I believe one of the reasons methods like FIVE and 8 ON 1 work so well on a single Zero wheel is because the zero changes the course of history literally. It pushes things forward everytime it hits. And what may have been a progression destroying pattern is now broken.
Without a zero in the mix. I believe its possible for random to lock into perfect patterns for longer.
Hence why I am amazed Twisters even made 180/0 for 8 ON 1 on BVNZ. The zero is actually a good thing in these methods. And the reason why montrous winning streaks now become realistic at relatively reasonable risks.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 30, 09:47 AM 2012
Well here's how I read it Matt. Most people will only consider a method a grail if it never loses. I consider a method a grail if longterm it doesn't show negative numbers. And pound for pound. I don't believe there's anything with 80 units max on the line that can give you a better return.
You have to also keep in mind the one loss I've suffered wasn't a true one. As ZERO was responsible for one of the losing steps. So I've yet to have random present me with a true FIVE.
I think you are making too much of these 70+ holds on step 4. I didn't push this method for nothing. I know how good it is. If ten people play it like me you'll get another 1000 plus winner. So on this forum you have Kevint3 and Samnl and myself playing FIVE.
I love arguing with you John. ;D Let me explain what i really mean by 70+ wins in a row on double dozen bet. On which step or spin it happened it really does not matter. It was just another double dozen bet. Do you remember how many times you won more than 30 consecutive bets on any step betting on double dozens? Its like seeing 1 dozen sleep more than 30 spins. Imagine starting every day in casino with one double dozen bet and continue winning this bet for one month. Once in 1 Million chance. To do it 70 times you would need 1Mx1M=1 Trillion tries. What happened here is that in a sample of 70 independent spins you beat this astronomical odds in your first try.
You always claimed that random had a limit and suddenly on the last step of your progression RNG refused to act randomly.
Johnlegend please reply is this example#1 is correct?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
02---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
or this?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
06---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
example#2
this is correct?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
03
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
07
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
Thank you
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 31, 02:47 AM 2012
I love arguing with you John. ;D Let me explain what i really mean by 70+ wins in a row on double dozen bet. On which step or spin it happened it really does not matter. It was just another double dozen bet. Do you remember how many times you won more than 30 consecutive bets on any step betting on double dozens? Its like seeing 1 dozen sleep more than 30 spins. Imagine starting every day in casino with one double dozen bet and continue winning this bet for one month. Once in 1 Million chance. To do it 70 times you would need 1Mx1M=1 Trillion tries. What happened here is that in a sample of 70 independent spins you beat this astronomical odds in your first try.
You always claimed that random had a limit and suddenly on the last step of your progression RNG refused to act randomly.
Matt firstly you need to understand I don't THINK random has a limit. Theres always a time when that pesky upstart will decide it wants to be the party pooper. What I claim/believe is RANDOM has VIRTUAL LIMITS. Points which it rarely crosses. Identifying such virtual limits and forging methods that work with them, enables us to garner profit. that's all there is to it.Now this 70 topic. I don't get what you are saying here. I don't see the link/comparison you are making with going to the casino and winning your first bet of the day everyday for a month.
Number 1 and most importantly Matt. Those 4th step wins werent consecutive. They were sporadic, separated by wins from steps 1---3. All that was happening there was, when I was taken to the fourth step it held. Now you might think some miracle was performed there. I wasn't surprised at all. WHY? Because I have several thousand documented results where it only lost TWICE playing Hit and run. And there were over 90 4th step winners there. So why so surprised??. Five hasnt gone past step 3 of the progression for 60 games now Matt. Is that another MIRACLE? 8 ON 1 hasnt shown me a SINGLE 8 in over 3,500 possible games. That surely must be the finding of the ages then Matt. Like ive said before, and no doubt will say again and again. Knowing something CAN LOSE, and meeting THAT LOSS in play H.A.R fashion are two different things Matt. The fun is the journey seeing how far you can stretch that winning streak again and again.
Will you be surprised if Twister wins 500 plus games of 8 ON 1 on BVNZ TOO? You don't believe in what I do Matt as most can't/don't. But that doesn't mean its not possible. That's what you have to understand. Everyone has their own ways, beliefs in how to best tackle random. All I do is present my ways. If 200 people read it. And a few take it onboard and benefit from it. that's good with me. As I always say regardless of whether 1 or 100 people play my methods. I will be profitting from them until my dying day.
Quote from: xeo on Oct 31, 03:14 AM 2012
Johnlegend please reply is this example#1 is correct?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
02---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
or this?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
06---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win
example#2
this is correct?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
03
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
07
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win
Thank you
A game TRIGGER and bet TRIGGER must be separated by a gap of at least 5 XEO. So all your example where they arent are VOID.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 14, 07:13 AM 2012
RESULTS UPDATE FOR *****FIVE***** FOR THE 14/10/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1,120
TOTAL GAMES WON 1,119
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 1,119/1
BALANCE 1,040 POINTS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS=442
STEP 2 WINS=412
STEP 3 WINS=191
STEP 4 WINS=74----LOSSES=1
Twister in recent post in 8 thread suggested that i assume that you and/or him are lying about your results to get a closure. I feel i need to respond to that. I posted before some doubts about your stats and i know that i probably will get no direct response or "im not a math guy" comment again. Let me use a plain English here. You bet here on double dozens using 4 step progression. Each bet usually has between 60% and 70% strike rate. In step 4 you went at some point 70/0 before your first loss as you reported before. You managed to do something that from a statistical point of view happens once in 1 Trillion tries. The odds of winning 70 double dozen bets in a row at ANY time are 1 in 1 Trillion. And 1 Trillion is 1 Million times 1 Million. I challenge anybody to prove me otherwise. Just get any statistical calculator online and calculate the chance of single event of 1/3 chance (2 dozens hitting) not happening in 70 tries. The odds of 40 Reds in a row. ;D That this happened on 4th step is irrelevant. 70 wins in a row at some point in 1st step would be also statistically impossible. Lets get this clear. We are talking about winning 70 bets in a row either playing HAR or continuously. These stats were taken out of the hat. Step 1 produced about 40% winning bets, steps 2 and 3 look ok. Current challenge lost its way. Original challenge on Bayes RNG was proved to be potentially flawed and it probably was. Now we dont see much more on BV except some swings in balance where there are also other bets placed except FIVE and 8.
Just use a common sense and draw your own conclusions as to whats really happening here.
Hi
A small question why a difference of 3 and not play a gap of 4 or 5. Example of differing gap dozen
D1
05 1st
04
05 2nd go
pert 05
03
02
06 gain
D2
06 1st
05
06 2nd go
07 gain
(For info I away from u 6 3 of smarte live casino 4 days ago, column (2) 03.03.02.02.03.03.02.03.03 well I stopped playing, I lost all â,¬ 50).
Thank you for your answers. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 04, 02:28 AM 2012
Twister in recent post in 8 thread suggested that i assume that you and/or him are lying about your results to get a closure. I feel i need to respond to that. I posted before some doubts about your stats and i know that i probably will get no direct response or "I'm not a math guy" comment again. Let me use a plain English here. You bet here on double dozens using 4 step progression. Each bet usually has between 60% and 70% strike rate. In step 4 you went at some point 70/0 before your first loss as you reported before. You managed to do something that from a statistical point of view happens once in 1 Trillion tries. The odds of winning 70 double dozen bets in a row at ANY time are 1 in 1 Trillion. And 1 Trillion is 1 Million times 1 Million. I challenge anybody to prove me otherwise. Just get any statistical calculator online and calculate the chance of single event of 1/3 chance (2 dozens hitting) not happening in 70 tries. The odds of 40 Reds in a row. ;D That this happened on 4th step is irrelevant. 70 wins in a row at some point in 1st step would be also statistically impossible. Lets get this clear. We are talking about winning 70 bets in a row either playing HAR or continuously. These stats were taken out of the hat. Step 1 produced about 40% winning bets, steps 2 and 3 look ok. Current challenge lost its way. Original challenge on Bayes RNG was proved to be potentially flawed and it probably was. Now we don't see much more on BV except some swings in balance where there are also other bets placed except FIVE and 8.
Just use a common sense and draw your own conclusions as to what's really happening here.
Matt I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I am going to step away from this forum today. The only thing you need to be concerned about are three dates, December 31st 2012---December 31st 2013 and December 31st 2014, By the latter date. Nobody will doubt that the way I think and play can beat this game. No sane reasonable person whatsoever. Superman will keep you updated. And my only question to you is what will you say/think if Twister goes into the thousands with 8 ON 1 without loss?? I am waiting for that, I know already how good that method is but Twister and what I will do on BV over the next 2---3 years will say a thousand times more than any words I can ever write.
Pilot genuine/fake??? Who knows. But there will be no questioning what I will do on BV. I'm out of here for a long time now. If anyone wants to reach me you can PM me or email me. I'm done talking. The results will talk for me from this day on.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 04, 05:42 AM 2012
Matt I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I am going to step away from this forum today. The only thing you need to be concerned about are three dates, December 31st 2012---December 31st 2013 and December 31st 2014, By the latter date. Nobody will doubt that the way I think and play can beat this game. No sane reasonable person whatsoever. Superman will keep you updated. And my only question to you is what will you say/think if Twister goes into the thousands with 8 ON 1 without loss?? I am waiting for that, I know already how good that method is but Twister and what I will do on BV over the next 2---3 years will say a thousand times more than any words I can ever write.
Pilot genuine/fake??? Who knows. But there will be no questioning what I will do on BV. I'm out of here for a long time now. If anyone wants to reach me you can PM me or email me. I'm done talking. The results will talk for me from this day on.
John
Are you serious? Who is going to wait or care until the end of 2014? You avoided answering my question again. What Pilot says its irrelevant. Your numbers just dont make sense. By the way with Code4 you had at some point strike rate 1120/1 (post 563 in Code4 thread) - with FIVE 1119/1. Nice coincidence. ;D Twister can produce a long winning run - its possible with 5 step 1,3.9.27.81 progression. I can see that. 1000+ more probable than your winning but improbable run with FIVE. Its longer progression. But we saw what can happen in Superman testing and on RNG generator.
And John dont say good bye yet ;D You will be back soon for sure.
one of the few people on here who I can trust is twocatsam who shows videos of real play and not just playing for a few pennies on computer roulette. You can see a real player who makes mistakes like we all do at the tables and has nothing to hide.
bob.
Thank you for that, bob. I'll bet I'm as ugly as you are!
I do lose. (SURPRISE!!!) Seriously, why should I make movies that show me clawing my way back out the hole? I just wait until I'm back even and start over.
Right now I'm fighting the devil. He got hold of me again the other night!
Sam
Rob, he answered your question, u just did not want to get the answer. What to do if someone would not listen?
There is a difference of opinions here, that's it. No more than that. It is not "70 bets in a row". It is 70 bets played from time to time. For u it is the same. But sorry, You can't say that John is lying.
If he is lying then You can blame for the same lies John Patrick, Lee Tutor, Brett Morton. Those are people well known in gambling world, and they do just what John L. does. They just use their methods which are well known unlike JL' methods. But they play the same way he does. Would they be surprised with JL results? no way, because their results are similar overall.
Tell them they are liers.
Even wizard of Ods, math genious, did not call Brett Morton a lier, when they met.
And i think he knows math way better than u.
There is no point to argue. U just push your agenda with no goal to find the truth.
i can see a big problem here. People are taken by "tunnel vision" syndrome here. they think that their knowledge covers all the subject they are talking about. No doubts. Now when someone comes and argues with them, they start blaming him for lying and so on.
Now about lying. Lying does not come by itself. Person lying should have some motives to do so.
So far nobody could catch JL on pure lying. Yes, he could make mistakes as anybody else, but
sorry, there was no lying involved. He can't answer some questions. What can u answer if u already did your best to answer, then someone demands more answers, and if there is no more answer, then "he does not want to answer, because he is a liar" label is stuck onto him.
What can u do in this situation? How to answer? I saw John answering, but then it is just goin on and on and on....
I understand why he wants to leave. I don't feel great about all this, but i understand. I think it would happen sooner or later.
i don't wanna blame anyone here. I blame "tunnel vision" syndrome
Quote from: iggiv on Nov 06, 05:44 PM 2012
i can see a big problem here. People are taken by "tunnel vision" syndrome here. they think that their knowledge covers all the subject they are talking about. No doubts. Now when someone comes and argues with them, they start blaming him for lying and so on.
Now about lying. Lying does not come by itself. Person lying should have some motives to do so.
So far nobody could catch JL on pure lying. Yes, he could make mistakes as anybody else, but
sorry, there was no lying involved. He can't answer some questions. What can you answer if u already did your best to answer, then someone demands more answers, and if there is no more answer, then "he does not want to answer, because he is a liar" label is stuck onto him.
What can you do in this situation? How to answer? I saw John answering, but then it is just goin on and on and on....
I understand why he wants to leave. I don't feel great about all this, but i understand. I think it would happen sooner or later.
i don't wanna blame anyone here. I blame "tunnel vision" syndrome
Fair comment Iggiv..and people do suffer from tunnel vision. However, I know ...and thats a real KNOW that people cant walk on water, some people believe a man can...and did. There is no changing either view. neither wil ever ever give in and change view.
I dont believe thepilot story. I think its all part of a big farce. Thats my view. I wont try and change other who believe...and i wont change my view.
It just a gut feeling of years of experience when a situation doesnt add up. i formulated the opinion in seconds.
that's OK not to believe. Everyone may or may not. But roulette is tricky stuff. It is more than just a math. What the pilot or JL do, some well known people do as well. Hard to say they are liars.
And people using their methods do win. But not too many do.
JL not answering ppls questions is one thing that would peeve ppl :(
Another thing is his 3 year plan, anybody who takes more joy in beating the game than winning money is going to get flagged by ppl in the know !!!!
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Quote from: iggiv on Nov 06, 05:07 PM 2012
Rob, he answered your question, u just did not want to get the answer. What to do if someone would not listen?
There is a difference of opinions here, that's it. No more than that. It is not "70 bets in a row". It is 70 bets played from time to time. For u it is the same. But sorry, You can't say that John is lying.
If he is lying then You can blame for the same lies John Patrick, Lee Tutor, Brett Morton. Those are people well known in gambling world, and they do just what John L. does. They just use their methods which are well known unlike JL' methods. But they play the same way he does. Would they be surprised with JL results? no way, because their results are similar overall.
Tell them they are liers.
Even wizard of Ods, math genious, did not call Brett Morton a lier, when they met.
And i think he knows math way better than u.
There is no point to argue. U just push your agenda with no goal to find the truth.
Sorry Iggiv if you dont get the odds of winning 70 bets in a row AT ANY TIME. So lets just ask Wizard of Odds if my math is correct. He is apparently the authority for you. And your other roulette gurus play in a different way but they dont publish stats. If they did and they looked fake or impossible for me i would question them as well. I dont have any agenda on this forum. ;D
"We're off to see the Wizard. The wonderful Wizard of Odds."
A fine idea, Matt. Maybe he can settle the question once and for all.
Sam
The Wizard of Odds is a French Pilot.
Quote from: kevint3 on Nov 07, 10:42 PM 2012
The Wizard of Odds is a French Pilot.
We have few Wizards of Defying the Odds here ;D