***MATRIX VERTICAL 6***(RANDOM TAMED)

[ZeroBlue]

I think ZigZag's approach could be better then what I just mentioned.....

3 BR's for each EC....

Regardless.... I know that this method will only deliver good results.......

just alternating the trigger and the progression between the ec's would make it even harder to beat.
like
1st step for HL
2nd step Odd/even
3rd step H/L
...
etc

[Johnlegend]

Thanks JohnLegend for this amazing method, I can't say enough  .......   26000 spins, that's a lot of research..........

"Deep" that Atlantis's first test landed in such a fashion.....

I do feel however, that we can only really conclude that we have tested a method when it has been tested over past live wheel spin data....... Computer generated spins are not alive.....


JohnLegend Quote:

"1, We record spins for ALL three even chances in three separate FOUR WIDE MATRIXES until we have a vertical formation of FIVE of any of the even chances."

The method is perfect....  However, after Atlantis's test run I was inspired to think outside of the box again...  When we lose our first bet in one of the qualified ECs, we do not continue playing in it. We wait for the next 5 POINTER in the other two ECs then bet against it... If this were to lose we switch again....

Very happy that this thread has started, this is just the beginning..... for us at least JL

I think that is an excellent idea AMK. Playing it tonight HIGH LOW took 4 steps to show a FIVE POINTER. But ODD EVEN delivered one immediately. So if CRISS CROSSING between the two the win would have been step two of the progression.

[Johnlegend]

just alternating the trigger and the progression between the ECs would make it even harder to beat.
like
1st step for HL
2nd step Odd/even
3rd step H/L
...
etc

I think you are spot on here ZEROBLUE. My recent results for HIGH LOW/ODD EVEN show a Five pointer showing early on one of them if not on the other.

[ZigZag]

 

OMGAWD! Where have you been Zig I thought aliens had abducted you.

Haha just took a little time out...had to sort out a few things on the home front..All is well 

[ophis]

just alternating the trigger and the progression between the ECs would make it even harder to beat.
like
1st step for HL
2nd step Odd/even
3rd step H/L
...
etc

what if u have HL and EO trigger at the same spin?
(if lost)will next single EC have to recover of losses of previous 2?

In that case progression should be dynamic according to loss since beginning of progression.

[ZeroBlue]

I think you are spot on here ZEROBLUE. My recent results for HIGH LOW/ODD EVEN show a Five pointer showing early on one of them if not on the other.

the larger the pattern, in this case is a six pattern, the larger the progression sure, but also the larger are the odds.


in this case for a six pattern there are 64 possible outcomes and only two 2 of those configure a loss.


so we have 62:2 or 31:1


there is nothing new here except the mechanics used. A matrix.


The maths purists will say that all spins are independent and roulette has no memory, so in a pure form in terms of flat betting as we only bet after the 5th outcome, it would mean we have a 1:1 chance WL.
This is the seduction of the gamblers fallacy.
i love it.
The difference is that in heuristic terms it is hard to find the loosing pattern so in theory the fluctuation of the distribution will be a very long curve.
We all should know that it would eventually end in a 50/50 minus the zero. But who cares? The heuristic expectation is that we may have 31 wins for each loss. In this case if we land on a favorable distribution we will win a lot.


There is a funny thing wich is why we select this pattern and not any other.
this is not different scheemme than code 4 or pattern breaker 4 etc


we can choose any pattern and results would be the same.
take for instance
HLHLH->I can bet H here with exactly the same odds.


If the tests are conducted with any pattern with separate banks for each pattern they would show similar results between all patterns.


I already posted at the forum my ways to take some advantage of the gamblers fallacy by choosing a stable 50:50 Bet selection, (this is one of them right here) and applying Lw filters to reduce fluctuation and with a good mm we can all be winners.


For me the search for a good bet selection must be statistical.




0 blue

[ZeroBlue]

what if You have HL and EO trigger at the same spin?
(if lost)will next single EC have to recover of losses of previous 2?

In that case progression should be dynamic according to loss since beginning of progression.

that is a good point and an excellent trigger for a special bet.
As i posted previously, any pattern would do for the test. It would have to be the same pattern in 2 different ec's for the trigger.
This would give a very nice statistical study indeed.


regarding progression i would choose anything but martingale. there are plenty of choices. reverse labouchere would deserve a test.


this adds up to my previous post and to all my ideas in filtering LW registry.


0 blue

[amk]

ZeroBlue Quote:

"As I posted previously, any pattern would do for the test."

If this is the case then we could observe for several different 5 pointers in different patterns at the same time..........

Once we see a 5 pointer, in any pattern, IN ANY EC, we select it and stay with it...

Alternating between EC"S after a lose....

Example:

H             L           H          L
L              L          H           H
H             L           H           L
L              L           H           H
H     OR    L    OR   H   OR   L

This would increase our HIT AND RUN potential......
 

[Treasury]

Do we bet for or against the pattern??!?

[Proofreaders2000]

Is MV6 "RNG friendly"?   American Wheel friendly?

[seykid31]

Hi all
It seems JL is doing fantastic with these methods of play,like he said he play multiple ways..i just feel uncomfortable risking 63 units to win 1 unit..scary,and i know it is Gambling.So my search go on 
Good luck all those winning with this.Cheers.
Seykid.

[atlantis]

Hi all
It seems JL is doing fantastic with these methods of play,like he said he play multiple ways..i just feel uncomfortable risking 63 units to win 1 unit..scary,and I know it is Gambling.So my search go on 
Good luck all those winning with this.Cheers.
Seykid.

I do think some good ideas have been posted esp. by GLC on progression and amk and Zer0Blue on switching columns. I believe some kind of tweak IS and will be required.

Remember not too long ago someone was selling a roulette tracker-type program. The premise of it regarding EC's was very simple... Wait for six misses on one side then start betting the other with marty...
It worked good for a time; but because dealing with only 2 outcomes sooner or later it hit the long losing run and consequently the wipeout occurred! After that the message from the software was: "Try playing at another casino instead" 

Now a matrix way of recording is quite different to normal roulette recording but even so we're still dealing with the 2 states of an EC.
You could try JL's idea with 5 pointer dozens - but then we're back to double dozen betting again.

To have FAITH in a system is one thing. To KNOW absolutely that it will always work is another. It is the TRUTH of the matter, as always, that counts so that we are not misled or labour under any kind of misapprehension. If it does FAIL we shall be disappointed - - let's all agree to work toward making it more solid and reliable so that the chances of failure are much reduced and harder to happen....

Regards,
A.

[vundarosa]

Here is my first 1000 spin continuous test with results from random.org.

H   L   L   L
L   L   L   H
L   H   H   L
H   H   L   L
H   L   L   H
L   H   L   L
L   L   H   L
L   L   H   H
L   L   L   L
L   L   L   L - trig col1
L   H   H   L - L at col1     -1
L   L   H   H
H   L   L   H
L   L   H   L
H   H   L   H
H   L   L   H
H   L   H   H
L   H   H   H
L   H   H   L
L   L   L   L
H   L   L   L
L   H   L   H
L   L   L   H
L   H   L   L -trig col3
H   H   L   H -L at col3     -3
L   H   L   L
L   L   H   H
L   H   L   H
H   L   H   L
H   L   H   H
L   L   L   L
L   H   H   L
L   L   L   H
H   L   L   L
H   L   L   L
H   H   L   L
L   H   H   L
L   L   H   L - trig col4
H   L   L   L - L at col4    -7
L   H   H   H
L   H   L   H
H   L   H   L
L   H   H   L
L   L   L   H
H   H   L   H
L   L   L   H
L   H   H   H
L   H   H   H - trig col4
H   H   L   H - L at col4    -15
H   H   L   L
H   H   H   L - trig col2
L   H   H   L - L at col2     -31
H   L   L   L
H   L   H   L
H   H   L   L
L   L   H   L
L   L   H   L
L   L   H   H
H   H   H   H
L   H   L   H
L   H   H   H
L   L   L   L
H   H   H   L
L   L   H   H
L   H   L   L
H   H   H   L
L   H   H   L
H   L   H   H
H   L   H   H
H   H   L   L
H   L   L   L
H   L   H   H -trig col1
H   L   L   L - L at col1    -63****BUST
L   H   H   H
H   H   L   L
H   H   H   H
H   L   L   H
L   L   L   L
H   L   H   L
L   L   L   H
H   L   L   L - trig col2
L   L   L   L - L at col2    -1
L   H   H   H
L   H   L   H
H   H   H   L
H   H   L   L
H   L   H   L
L   H   L   H
L   H   H   L
L   H   L   H
L   L   L   L
L   L   L   L -trig col1
H   L   L   H -W at col1  +1
L   L   L   H - trig col3
L   H   L   H - L at col3   +0
L   H   L   L
L   L   H   H
H   L   L   L
L   H   L   L
L   L   H   L
L   H   L   L
H   L   H   L - trig col4
L   L   L   L - L at col4    -2
L   H   H   H
H   H   H   H
L   L   L   L
L   L   H   H
H   H   L   H
H   L   L   H
H   H   H   L
L   L   H   L
L   H   H   L
L   H   L   L
L   H   H   L - trig col4
L   L   H   H -trig col1 ; W at col4  +2
H   H   H   L - W at col1
H   L   L   L
H   L   H   L
H   L   H   L
H   H   L   L - trig col1 ; trig col4
H   L   L   H - L at col1 ; W at col4  +1   +3
L   L   L   L
H   L   H   L
L   H   H   L
H   L   L   L
L   H   H   L - trig at col4
L   H   L   H - W at col4     +4   
H   L   H   H
H   L   L   H
L   L   L   L
L   L   L   L
H   H   L   H
L   L   H   H
L   H   H   L
L   L   L   H
H   L   H   L
H   H   H   L
L   H   L   H
L   L   H   L
H   L   H   H
L   H   L   H
L   H   L   H
L   H   H   H
H   L   H   H -trig at col4
L   L   H   L -W at col4     +5
L   L   H   H
H   H   L   H
H   H   H   L
L   H   H   H
L   L   L   L
L   H   H   H
L   L   L   L
L   H   L   H -trig col1
H   L   H   H - W at col1   +6
H   L   H   H
L   L   L   L
L   L   H   L
L   H   L   L
H   H   H   H
L   L   H   L
H   L   L   L
H   L   H   H
H   H   L   H
L   L   L   H
L   L   L   L
L   H   H   L
L   L   H   L
L   L   L   H - trig col1
H   L   H   H - W at col1   +7
H   L   H   L
H   H   L   L
L   L   L   L
L   L   H   L
H   L   H   L - trig at col4
H   H   H   H - W at col4   +8
H   L   H   L
L   L   L   H
H   L   H   H
L   L   L   L
L   H   L   H
L   H   H   H
H   L   H   H
H   H   H   H
H   L   L   H - trig at col4
H   H   L   H -L at col4      +7
L   H   L   H
L   H   L   L
L   L   L   L -trig col3
H   L   H   L -W at col3     +9
H   L   H   H
H   H   H   L
H   L   L   H
H   H   H   L - trig col1
L   H   L   L -W at col1     +10
L   H   L   H
L   H   H   H
L   L   H   L
L   L   L   H - trig col1
H   H   L   H - W at col1   +11
H   L   L   H
L   L   L   H
H   L   L   L - trig col3
L   H   H   H - W at col3   +12
H   L   H   L
H   L   H   H
L   H   L   H
L   H   L   L
H   H   H   H
H   H   L   H
H   H   H   L - trig col2
L   L   H   H - W at col2   +13
L   L   H   H
H   L   L   L
H   H   L   L
L   L   H   L
H   L   L   H
H   L   H   L
H   H   L   H
L   H   H   H
H   H   L   H
H   H   H   L
H   L   H   L
H   L   L   H
L   H   H   H
L   L   H   L
L   L   H   H
L   H   H   H
H   L   H   L - trig col3
H   L   H   L - L at col3   +12
L   L   L   L
H   H   H   H
L   H   L   H
L   L   H   H
L   H   L   L
H   L   L   H
L   H   H   H
H   L   H   L
H   L   L   H
L   H   L   H
H   L   L   H
L   L   H   L
H   L   H   L
H   L   L   H
L   L   H   L - trig col2
L   H   L   H - W at col2  +14
H   L   L   H
L   L   L   L
H   H   H   L
H   L   L   H
L   H   L   L

OK. So not so great start for my test. Assuming I've done it right I get a complete loss of
progression in the first half, and a +14 in the second half. Just shows it CAN happen!!!
Amazing  - and it happens on my VERY FIRST TEST!!! 

Obviously this happened because I got a sequence or succession of losers occurring across all
four columns simultaneously which I imagine is pretty rare...?

Now  - only way I can see to counteract this sort of circumstance is to have separate progression
for EACH COLUMN....
Doing that turns this unwelcome result around, and the result is POSITIVE - Each separate column
WINS (or at the very least at the end of the spins is still well inside the progression)

WHY? Because there were not more than FIVE six-pointers in succession in each INDIVIDUAL
COLUMN of the matrix 4 columns.

What do you think John?

Check out the w/l registry for each of the four EC columns:

COL1:  LLWWLWWW = 5 wins
COL2:  LLWW = 2 wins
COL3:  LLWWL = 2 wins (so far)
COL4: LLLWWWWWL = 5 wins (so far)

Played that way the highest step of the progression reached in any one column is the 4th step (1-2-4-8) in col 4 -  and a win occurs on that step.

But as I say you would need 4x63u progression bank...

Regards and sorry to be the bearer of bad news - (but better now than later),
Atlantis.

--------------------
@atlantis

Try to lose the progression playing against quads :

link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/*matrix-vertical-5*-(for-hi-and-lo)/msg61691/#msg61691

I'm still getting lucky

vundarosa

[ZeroBlue]

I do think some good ideas have been posted especially. by GLC on progression and amk and Zer0Blue on switching columns. I believe some kind of tweak IS and will be required.

Remember not too long ago someone was selling a roulette tracker-type program. The premise of it regarding ECs was very simple... Wait for six misses on one side then start betting the other with marty...
It worked good for a time; but because dealing with only 2 outcomes sooner or later it hit the long losing run and consequently the wipeout occurred! After that the message from the software was: "Try playing at another casino instead" 

Now a matrix way of recording is quite different to normal roulette recording but even so we're still dealing with the 2 states of an EC.
You could try JL's idea with 5 pointer dozens - but then we're back to double dozen betting again.

To have FAITH in a system is one thing. To KNOW absolutely that it will always work is another. It is the TRUTH of the matter, as always, that counts so that we are not misled or labour under any kind of misapprehension. If it does FAIL we shall be disappointed - - let's all agree to work toward making it more solid and reliable so that the chances of failure are much reduced and harder to happen....

Regards,
A.

I must agree with you Dear Atlantis. It seems we are on the same wave of thought.
In my opinion the mechanics of the matrix should be exploited regarding series.
What i mean by this is another way to get less fluctuation and less exposure.
If we simply aim for series and chops it would be easy to attack once after two series in a row chop.
example
H
H
L
L
L
L
H ----> here bet L


now if we start from here and play for real after a Loss how would it perform?




Zer0Blue

[vundarosa]

Before we start all the tweeking,

does anyone have more than one loss in a set of 1000 spins in a zero table?!

vundarosa