We call the columns A, B, and C (number 1 is in A, number 2 is in B, and number 3 is in C.) If you label all the numbers around the American double zero wheel you will see some interesting groupings. Orienting the wheel with zero at the top (12 o'clock) and double zero at the bottom (6 o'clock) the columns A and C form a large block of numbers, a target of 23 continuous numbers around the wheel, starting with the 4 and moving counter-clockwise to and including the 22, we have only 3 numbers-- 8, 29, and 00- that are not A or C. This block of numbers represents 60% of the wheel (plus we have two A's and two C's in the other, opposite smaller section of the wheel.)
If we start at the 16 and move clockwise to and including the 34, the A/B target gives us a block of 19 continuous numbers around the wheel with just 3 numbers-- the 0, 9, and 30 that are not in this A/B group (plus we have six A's and 2 B's in the other, opposite larger section of the wheel.)
If we divide the wheel in half, between the 16/33 and the 34/15, the top half of the wheel
(clockwise from the 16 to and including the 34) then we have 19 numbers, ten of which (more than half-- 53%) are B's. And in the opposite bottom half we have 10 out of 19 numbers which are all C's (remember that a a hit on a column returns 2 units or else you lose only 1, so 53% of something can represent a lot of bang for the buck.)
I call this top half of the wheel the B half and all of the numbers in this group in numerical
order are 0-2-4-5-7-9-11-14-16-17-20-22-23-26-28-30-32-34-35.
I call the bottom half the C half and and all of the numbers in this group in numerical order are 00-1-3-6-8-10-12-13-15-18-19-21-24-25-27-29-31-33-36.
And ofcourse on the betting layout we have twice as many black than red in the B column and twice as many red than black in the C column.
I have reason to believe that a successful roulette system was devised betting only the columns against the American wheel, taking advantage somehow of these groupings around the wheel (don't ask me how I know, it doesn't matter, and I don't know how it was done, but I am pretty sure it was done, and a programmer proved it, and I can't tell you any more about it than that, other than my belief that it was done has had me obsessed for a long time in believing that there is some way to beat the wheel by taking advantage somehow of these particular distributions around the American wheel and on the betting layout, and I believe that it is probably the only way that you could beat the wheel.)
Please help me brainstorm how we might utilize this information, if you have any interest or ideas about this. Currently I have a personal contact who can write algorithms and run programs to quickly simulate thousands of trials of a particular bet or sequence-- if we can come up with something worth trying-- I can probably get it programmed to see how it goes. Thanks!
Hi
I catch your idea as i play american wheel but airball..i make it a must to understand wheel layout with table layout.Its true what you saying,like for example collumn 2 house 2 of 4 numbers sector from wheel 23,35,14,2 and 20,32,17,5 then 8,29 opposite on wheel 26,11 between the 2 group of 4 number sectors.Collumn 3 same thing 2 group of 4 number sectors.Only first column we have 4 group of 2 numbers sector.But like any method or strategy,you can only bet trends,the advantage is you can can cover 2 large 4 numbers sector with 1 unit..which is cool.But the other thing worth mentioning is DOZEN 2.Look and see how the numbers are spread on wheel.Win big.
Seykid.
Hi Red
Check out this link
hxxp: vlsroulette. com/systems-designed-to-exploit-the-betting-layout/
yes I am familiar with that, but it doesn't help.
Here is a diagram of the American wheel oriented and divided as I have described above, that Badger was kind enough to provide. The concentric circles show the roulette numbers, the columns on the betting layout that they occupy (A-B-C), and the dozen each number is in (1-2-3.) I am hoping to come up with bet selections, combination bets and/or insurance bets and a money management system that may be able to take advantage of these uneven distributions of columns around the wheel and/or the uneven distributions of red and black numbers that comprise each column on the betting layout. Obviously the large A/C section would be a perfect target for VB players who could conveniently place chips on the first and third columns to bet this large target or not, but target shooting a spinning wheel and an opposite rotating ball is beyond my own expertise and visual acuity. Other suggestions welcome!
bump
There's been claims in the past of people betting every spin on columns on the American wheel and winning everyday. They'd never release the method
I've tried to crack it
"They'd never release the method"
Would you publish a HG if you spent 10 years of your life looking for it and then finding it?
I don't think I would.
I would
But I'm a rare breed
Simon posted the following 2 emails on VLS from Bob who had claimed to have beaten the American wheel.
Subj: Re: Roulette
Date: 98-05-17 20:31:12 EDT
From: oldfogey@jps.net (The Old Fogey)
To: Rougambler@aol.com (Rougambler)
At 07:22 PM 5/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Bob. I was just wondering if you could tell me if you bet on the even
factors, the dozens, or the inside.
I bet only columns and, depending on how busy the table is, I change
casinos after an hour or so. After watching me for a while, people keep
trying to engage me in conversation and I just leave to get away from them.
The programmer, that put my method of play through a 1-1/2 million spin
test, quit his programming job and moved permanently to Reno. He plays 6
hours a day, 5 days a week and takes the weekend off. I live 3 hours away
and just bought a new ocean side condo, so I gamble only 3 days a week and
we get together to swap stories.
Being a younger person, he has some wilder stories to tell than I do. I'm
surprised he is keeping our non-disclosure agreement. However he feels the
same as I ... Only scam artists sell an easy way to make a living that
doesn't work!.
If you would concentrate on the 0-00 wheel layout vs. the european layout,
you would have an edge on the casinos. "Nuff Said!"
You have no idea how much time and money I've spent trying to beat Roulette.
Oh yes I do! Been there, done that, got the hat, t-shirt and souvenir
coffee cup. I finally "Cracked" the code in 1993. By that time I was
allready 60 years ols and had wated most of my life following an obsession.
Type at 'Ya later ...
Bob, the old fogey ...
"Good Net Buddies Are Hard To find ..."
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Subj: Re: Roulette
Date: 98-05-18 13:29:10 EDT
From: oldfogey@jps.net (The Old Fogey)
To: Rougambler@aol.com (Rougambler)
At 08:39 AM 5/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
Which means you just like the end seat too and could be betting the dozens
as well, or there's something else about the columns I didn't mention....
The end chair is crucial to my method. Without it ... I don't play.
I am very protective of this method. I have seen at least one old timer
and one in his late forties on more than one occasion, observing my play
and writing in a tablet. If the secret to my play was obvious, they would
be playing by now and not watching. Although I don't need their free
lunch, some of the invitations, by both men and woman, and the ultimate
stories I get trying to convince me to share my method are most interesting.
If there was a way I could have had my system tested without giving away
its secret to the programmer ... I would have. I won't even teach it too
my Lady friend who accompanies me on most of my trips. She's 28, I'm 65
and I know her interest in me is not my good looks.
Type at 'Ya later ...
Bob, the old fogey ...
"Good Net Buddies Are Hard To find ..."
Could be hot air
Another forum claim with no proof
Nothing to test
I think your right. just wishful thinking that the 0-00 wheel could hold an
advantage over the 0 wheel.
A rumour most probably started by American casino's. :thumbsup:
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8910.0
That is really interesting.
Right away I'm thinking repeaters and that variance could be really high due to the uneven distribution vs. say R/B. FTL? Although the AC combo is massive, I'm interested in B repeating.
I have some live session data, I'll take a look.
I saw a guy yesterday do unbelievably well yesterday just betting on column a and b. The wheel was hitting in that half of the wheel from 16-34. He did it for about a half hour. Found it very interesting and reminded me of this thread. After years of playing I think there is something to this.
Quote from: Badger on Feb 03, 09:52 AM 2017
I think your right. just wishful thinking that the 0-00 wheel could hold an
advantage over the 0 wheel.
A rumour most probably started by American casino's. :thumbsup:
You basically misunderstood this topic under discussion.
This is NOT really an issue as to whether or not the US double zero wheel has an advantage over the EU single zero wheel.
The question is whether or not the UNEVEN distribution of the COLUMN numbers on the double zero wheel can be exploited. So, for instance, if for the last few spins, a dealer is hitting a certain segment of the wheel (that is, dealer signature is present) where numbers of 2 of the 3 columns are concentrated , then could betting on those 2 (of the 3) columns for the next few spins be profitable or not?
That is the principal thrust of this discussion.
Quote from: Irish88 on Mar 27, 07:19 AM 2018
I saw a guy yesterday do unbelievably well yesterday just betting on column a and b. The wheel was hitting in that half of the wheel from 16-34. He did it for about a half hour. Found it very interesting and reminded me of this thread. After years of playing I think there is something to this.
Interesting thread.
Do you know if he was betting every spin and using a progression?
He was betting every spin. He would use a light progression. He really didn't need to use one. The entire board was numbers in the 16-34 numbers. 19 total numbers. Only 3 of which are not in columns a and b. 0, 9,26. I have been playing live wheels for years. I always thought there could be something to this original thread. Just look at the pic of the wheel with the column distribution.
Some column stats
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16483.0
I abandoned it because I couldn’t make anything work
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Column A. 19
Column B. 21
Column C. 28
Green. 7
Column A
runs of 1. 13
runs of 2. 3
Column B
runs of 1. 13
runs of 2. 1
runs of 4. 1
Column C
runs of 1. 12
runs of 2. 3
runs of 3. 2
runs of 4. 1
Combined results from 250 spins so far.
Column A. 63
Column B. 65
Column C. 107
Green. 15
Column A.
runs of 1. 37
runs of 2. 10
runs of 3. 2
Column B.
runs of 1. 39
runs of 2. 8
runs of 3. 2
runs of 4. 1
Column C.
runs of 1. 39
runs of 2. 19
runs of 3. 5
runs of 4. 1
runs of 5. 1
runs of 6. 1
Try this. (American Wheel only)
If 1st column shows flat-bet third column once.
If 3rd column shows flat-bet first column once
Stop when in profit
Bankroll suggestion: 12 units
Hello Proofreaders,
What is the advantage of the method that you are suggesting? Does this win long term on American Roulette?
I just kept seeing those two columns following each other
over and over (on the 00 wheel). Surely this can be exploited.
Long term? idk
There are times when 2 columns go crazy on American wheel
Thought I had something but it failed
Has to be a missing piece
I tried LOTT on columns. That failed to
RG according to the 250 spins stats
Column A hit 25.2% of the time
Column B hit 26%
Column C hit 42.8%-you could
have bet this one continuously & won :)
Green hit 6% (which is abt HE)
I've tried two column betting
and couldn't make it work either. :/
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 28, 10:03 PM 2018
RG according to the 250 spins stats
Column A hit 25.2% of the time
Column B hit 26%
Column C hit 42.8%-you could
have bet this one continuously & won :)
Green hit 6% (which is abt HE)
I've tried two column betting
and couldn't make it work either. :/
For the last 4 years or so, I have tried many, many ways of betting on two columns to exploit the uneven distribution of the column numbers on the double zero wheel.
Some days when one of the columns sleeps (usually column 1), you can make money.
But on other days, the columns are choppy -- with all three columns appearing more or less evenly -- and on those days you are taken to the cleaners.
Finding a way to consistently make money playing the columns on the double zero wheel remains the most fascinating topic in roulette for me.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 28, 11:48 PM 2018you are taken to the cleaners.
That made me laugh Doc