My Jack's Square Version

[Carsch]

My test results for 104 spins on a double zero wheel

Profit: 544 units
Longest spin without a hit: 18
Highest bet: 9u

Progression used: 1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-7-8-9

Bet selection is not from the wheel but from the table layout.

Bet selection method: look at the past 2 spins

If last no. has a higher value than the no. before it, select those numbers of a higher value from last hit no.

If last no. has a lower value than the no. before it, select those numbers of a lesser value from last hit no.

Ex: 4, 16

Select the 4 red numbes after no. 16
They are: 18,19,21,23

The exception is when you have to count below numbers such as 5,4,3,2,1, or higher than 33, 34,35,36. You simply continue your count as if the numbers were connected in a circle.

Ex: 26, 35

Select the 4 Black numbers after no.35
They are: 2,4,6,8 ( we don't stop at 36)

Ex: 23, 4

Select the 4 black numbers before no. 4
They are: 2,35,33,31


For this test the Zeros were treated as Zeros

See attachment

[VLS]

Thanks for the post Carlos 

You gotta love the quote:

For this test the Zeros were treated as Zeros

[Carsch]

Thanks for the post Carlos 

You gotta love the quote:

[Phishalot]

Was thinking jack's system was a little more complicated than need. This shows that any four # bet will give close to same results.

Thanks for the post,
Phishalot

PS I like your way better

[Mikeo]

Looks good, Carsch.

Here is an attempt with real spins from Weisbaden, July 1/2010 table 3.

50 spins             +236 units
highest bet 5

Check that I played it properly.

[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout

1,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
2,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,0,
3,10,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-4,1 : 12-14-16-18
4,3,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-8,1 : 2-4-6-8
5,4,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-12,1 : 1-32-34-36
6,25,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,-16,1 : 6-8-10-11
7,7,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,-24,2 : 30-32-34-36
8,23,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,-32,2 : 1-3-5-36
9,32,Bet,8,72,-8,64,32,2 : 25-27-30-32
10,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,28,1 : 1-3-34-36
11,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,24,1 : 10-11-13-15
12,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,20,1 : 1-3-34-36
13,2,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,16,1 : 7-9-12-14
14,32,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,8,2 : 29-31-33-35
15,28,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,0,2 : 1-3-34-36
16,28,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,-8,2 : 20-22-24-26
17,22,Bet,8,72,-8,64,56,2 : 20-22-24-26
18,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,52,1 : 13-15-17-20
19,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,48,1 : 7-9-12-14
20,15,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,44,1 : 1-3-34-36
21,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,40,1 : 6-8-10-11
22,4,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,32,2 : 6-8-10-11
23,15,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,24,2 : 2-31-33-35
24,33,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,16,2 : 17-20-22-24
25,17,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,8,2 : 2-4-6-35
26,12,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,0,2 : 10-11-13-15
27,1,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,-12,3 : 3-5-7-9
28,18,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,-24,3 : 30-32-34-36
29,1,Bet,16,0,-16,-16,-40,4 : 19-21-23-25
30,18,Bet,16,0,-16,-16,-56,4 : 30-32-34-36
31,18,Bet,20,0,-20,-20,-76,5 : 19-21-23-25
32,19,Bet,20,180,-20,160,84,5 : 19-21-23-25
33,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,80,1 : 23-25-27-30
34,6,Bet,4,36,-4,32,112,1 : 2-4-6-8
35,4,Bet,4,36,-4,32,144,1 : 2-4-33-35
36,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,140,1 : 2-31-33-35
37,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,136,1 : 19-21-23-25
38,13,Bet,4,36,-4,32,168,1 : 10-11-13-15
39,26,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,164,1 : 6-8-10-11
40,14,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,160,1 : 28-29-31-33
41,36,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,156,1 : 5-7-9-12
42,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,152,1 : 1-3-5-7
43,19,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,144,2 : 23-25-27-30
44,10,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,136,2 : 12-14-16-18
45,35,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,128,2 : 2-4-6-8
46,32,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,120,2 : 2-4-6-8
47,14,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,112,2 : 23-25-27-30
48,9,Bet,12,108,-12,96,208,3 : 5-7-9-12
49,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,204,1 : 1-3-5-36
50,30,Bet,4,36,-4,32,236,1 : 30-32-34-36
[/table]

[Carsch]

Was thinking jack's system was a little more complicated than need. This shows that any four # bet will give close to same results.

As long as you use the same principle he used, you can use it almost anywhere. I don't know why he chose the wheel, and i personally do not see a reason for that when the idea can be applied somewhere else.

[Carsch]

Looks good, Carsch.

Here is an attempt with real spins from Weisbaden, July 1/2010 table 3.

50 spins             +236 units
highest bet 5

Check that I played it properly.

Looks good, Mikeo. Interesting results we're getting with Jack's 4 numbers.

No one will be on this board anymore...........cause everyone will be at the casino making money. 

By the way, the numbers i used are also from real play

[weddings]

if it exceeds 19 spins? start over by increasing bet size?

[Carsch]

If it exceeds 19 spins? start over by increasing bet size?

That's up to the player. On the other hand, Kattila posted a good progression on the other thread for Jacks system. It can withstand up to 37 consecutive losses. Can't beat that.

[LeoVonLioN]

I tried this a few times with live numbers and goes ok, but 1 loss seems to wipe me out 

[Mikeo]

As a comparison to the original Jack's 4 number system, I ran the same real number sessions for both systems. These are the number of wins for the first 38 spins. Although individual session wins vary, the total number of wins for both systems is comparable, virtually the same.

Here are the results for 38 spin sessions:

[table=,]
Session,Carsch 4 numbers,Jack's 4 numbers
1,6,7
2,2,3
3,7,7
4,3,5
5,1,3
6,4,3
7,5,5
8,5,1
9,0,2
10,3,6
11,7,2
12,4,3
13,6,4
14,7,8
15,5,8
16,3,2
17,4,3
18,5,3
19,4,5
20,2,4
21,4,9
22,2,5
23,2,4
24,8,4
25,7,4

Total Wins,106,110
[/table]

In these 25 sessions, I found the following losing streaks at the beginning of the session for the Carsch method:
23 losses
24 losses
22 losses
37 losses
22 losses
20 losses.

There were also some lengthy loss streaks later on, but I didn't record them. I didn't record the loss streaks for Jack;s system, but I suspect they might also be comparable.

Looking at this, perhaps the 37 spin progression you mention would be the way to go.

These figures would suggest that the simpler bet selection of the Carsch version may work just as well.

Michael

[trebor]

I kept a record of this while playing a system of mine and got 24 points flat betting 179 spins.

I had one run of 27 without a win but the rest were under 19.

I'll work out the total with your suggested progession which I think will be pretty good.


I'm a bit wacked at the moment.

Trebor

[Carsch]

Very interesting your comparision chart, Mikeo.

After a few more tests, i too ran into some long losing streaks. I believe a bit more work could be done with this system. As an example, many times when going in one direction, if i had gone the other way i could have caught many numbers. Who knows, maybe like Jacks', a high & low could be also implemented here, and a different way to chart the direction of play as well.

[weddings]

Hey carsch what is the longest losing streak you had? Maybe I can come out with a good progression?

[Carsch]

I believe 27.

However, i believe something needs to be changed in the way the numbers are picked.