The Holy Grail! (For Red/Black)

[brandon99]

I think Atlantis is right , i think it is something about hermes 4x4 system .But Atlantis, can you explain what's about 6 line methodology? Thank you!

[atlantis]

Hi Brandon,

I was talking about Hermes 6-Line System converted for Dozens...

On average one doz should show once in 3 spins.

The rules: If doz comes bet the doz for 3 spins GLAT progression. (or use own progression)
If it doesn't hit in 3 spins PAUSE or Stop betting and wait until the dozen hits again and then continue to bet the progression for another 3 spins.
If the dozen doesn't hit in the second 3 spins repeat the waiting period until next hit and then next 3 spins of chasing the doz (sleeper) for win...etc.

Progression=Rules of GLAT applied to EACH dozen.

The example of complete play:
Hit = x
Win = W + Wait for next hit (x)
Lp = Loss + pause in progression and wait for next hit (x)
L=Loss


#           D1              D2              D3         +/-
=================================
32                                               x         +0*
0                                                 1L       -1
13                            x                 1L        -2
20                           1W               1Lp      -1
16                            x                            -1
25                           1L                 x         -2
17                           1W               1L        -1           
30                                               1W      +1* New High (reduce all progs)
34                                                x        +1*
7            x                                    1L      +0
11          1W                                 1L       -1
36                                                1W     +1*  Equal High (reduce all progs)
10          x                                              +1*
11          1W                                           +2 * New High (reduce all progs)
34                                                x        +2*
4            x                                    1L      +1
22          1L              x                  1L        -1
9            1W            1L                 1Lp      -1
14                           1W                          +1
10           x                                             +1           
0            1L                                            +0
12           1W                                          +2 * Equal High (reduce all progs)
18                             x                           +2*
11            x              1L                           +1
1             1W           1L                            +2 * Equal High (reduce all progs)
14                            1W                          +4 * New High (reduce all progs)
1              x                                            +4*
21           1L              x                            +3
11           1W            1L                           +4  * New High (reduce all progs)
0                              1L                           +3
11            x               1Lp                         +2
25           1L                                  x         +1
5             1W                                1L        +2
10            x                                   1L       +1
2             1W                                1Lp      +2
16                             x                             +2
27                            1L                  x        +1
18                            1W                1L       +2     
27                                                 1W      +4 * New High (reduce all progs)
10            x                                             +4 *
8             1W                                           +6 *  New High (reduce all progs)
10            x                                             +6 *
0             1L                                            +5
22           1L                x                           +4
13           1Lp            1W                          +5
23                              x                           +5
27                             1L                 x        +4
27                             1L                2W      +7 *New High (reduce all progs)           
16                             1W                          +8 *New High (reduce all progs)
32                                                  x        +8 *
23                              x                  L1       +7

50 spins example. I use hermes spins.
+7u profit.
Note: the 2u on d3 placed in accordance with GLAT due to profit (+4) less than highest profit (+6) at that time.
Of course you can use differential betting too on the dozens if called on to bet all 3 in certain cases...
Thx to hermes and best regards,
A.

[denzie]

The Law...hmmm never was a big fan of that. And it looks like here its the same.
But thx for your contribution here. You can teach everybody to write with colors.
Very good job .... carry on

Atlantis pm

And for the rest: try the systems first and then start yak and whinning.
More then 1 solid system there. But sometimes they just take to long to get back to a new high. But they Always do there job. But im not the kind of guy who go to a casino with 1000units to catch 100units. I wanna go with 1000 units to catch another 1000

So after reading the posts about lv and 4x4 it just hit me. Soooooooooo yes its on the dozens or colums u need to be. So stop yak and play with colorbooks and open your eyes and you will find it there for sure. Another clue? forget Compas.

[thelaw]

The Law...hmmm never was a big fan of that. And it looks like here its the same.
But thx for your contribution here. You can teach everybody to write with colors.
Very good job .... carry on

Atlantis pm

And for the rest: try the systems first and then start yak and whinning.
More then 1 solid system there. But sometimes they just take to long to get back to a new high. But they Always do there job. But im not the kind of guy who go to a casino with 1000units to catch 100units. I wanna go with 1000 units to catch another 1000

So after reading the posts about lv and 4x4 it just hit me. Soooooooooo yes its on the dozens or colums u need to be. So stop yak and play with colorbooks and open your eyes and you will find it there for sure. Another clue? forget Compas.

Step #3)Garner more and more attention by baiting others with "breadcrumbs" , or arguing with members until someone calls you out

Step #3 Complete.........................the Con continues.......Denzie rides again!!!

[brandon99]

I want to tell you guys that I have a respect for Denzie and I tell you why: even if he doesn,t tell us what is all about, a litlle thing i s certain: if he won,t tell us anything, he made us to have attention and he put our heads to think. Sooner or later we will find what he is talking about.

[RFMAXX]

I want to let you Know that denzie Stays true to his words.
He Sent me a Long pm with Detail information. and he Offers more help if i Need it: for free.
That doesnt Look like scamming to me. I think sometimes you are judging People too fast.
Warrior, falkor and now denzie. They dont have to Present Full Systems to us. Not their Job. Giving Us hints so that we can think ourselves is Gift enough. If you call These people scammer they will of course not Giving more Info. What do you want? More Info or no Info?

[brandon99]

More info, more hints...

[thelaw]

I want to let you Know that denzie Stays true to his words.
He Sent me a Long pm with Detail information. and he Offers more help if i Need it: for free.
That doesnt Look like scamming to me. I think sometimes you are judging People too fast.
Warrior, falkor and now denzie. They dont have to Present Full Systems to us. Not their Job. Giving Us hints so that we can think ourselves is Gift enough. If you call These people scammer they will of course not Giving more Info. What do you want? More Info or no Info?

You must be joking!!!

Falkor was banned because he tried to privately pm members to buy his "system".

Now you are claiming that Denzie is giving private details to you about another "system". This is just ludicrous!

Either you have a successful system, or you don't.

If you have a successful system and are unwilling to share it, then why post on a forum?

The answer: THERE IS NO SYSTEM!

John Legend's "systems" : FAILED

Falkor's "System": DOES NOT EXIST (NO PROOF)

Denzie's "System": DOES NOT EXIST (NO PROOF)

Until you have PROOF of a working system, it DOES NOT EXIST!

[Turner]

Denzie.

Stop goading and making claims with no substance. its winding people up.

And stop saying your "done" then coming back. Thats winding me up.

That was a warning

Turner

[RouletteGhost]

he says the grill is in this thread obviously he doesn't think any of us are good enough ban him

[Rewster88]

Yes, what a waste of time. Its about give and take. He dont wants to give then he should not take... So vote ban +1

[Still]

You must be joking!!!

Falkor was banned because he tried to privately pm members to buy his "system".

Now you are claiming that Denzie is giving private details to you about another "system". This is just ludicrous!

Either you have a successful system, or you don't.

If you have a successful system and are unwilling to share it, then why post on a forum?

The answer: THERE IS NO SYSTEM!

John Legend's "systems" : FAILED

Falkor's "System": DOES NOT EXIST (NO PROOF)

Denzie's "System": DOES NOT EXIST (NO PROOF)

Until you have PROOF of a working system, it DOES NOT EXIST!

@thelaw You are painting with broadstrokes and misleading.  What denzie is doing does not compare to John Legend or falkor, nor do those two compare to each other. Denzies method most resembles Warrior's approach, but somehow the similarity escapes your observation.  Next, i doubt falkor was banned for the reason you say.  I have good reason to think you are being misleading in that regard, and unfair to falkor since he can't defend against that accusation here. Same with JL who posted everything he was optimistic about, and asked for a little extra attention as payment...but did not sell anything privately.   You're big red letters were out of line to begin with in regards falkor, who was just posting research results at his own pace, while being optimistic about the current results. 

We are witnessing a phenomenon where people post details as long as they are not 100% sure there is a winning system.  Then, the moment they feel 100% sure they've turned the tables, withdraw contributions, and at best, offer too few hints that madden the hungry crowd, for fear casinos worldwide will shut down roulette forever, when the most casinos will probably ever do is back off consistent winners (like card counters), whether casinos understand how winners win or not.   This is where denzie most resembles Warrior.

Then we see a phenomenon where the hint-dropper selects a few worthy among the mad hungry crowd...for inclusion in private hints or private revelation. 

Last phenomenon but not least, some will be thankful for the hints, as if a guide had pointed in the right direction over a rocky mountain pass.  In that situation, there are three possibilities:

    1.) It's the right direction over the pass
    2.) The guide doesn't know if the direction is wrong or right (but believes it's right)
    3.) The guide knows it's probably the wrong direction

The most probable is #2. The more the guide taunts the crowd, the more likely it is #3.  Some of us won't take right directions from mean spirited guides, even if the guide might be pointing in the right direction.  That's where i stand.  I will find the right road without the menacing guide.   

Still

[thelaw]

@thelaw You are painting with broadstrokes and misleading.  What denzie is doing does not compare to John Legend or falkor, nor do those two compare to each other. Denzies method most resembles Warrior's approach, but somehow the similarity escapes your observation.  Next, i doubt falkor was banned for the reason you say.  I have good reason to think you are being misleading in that regard, and unfair to falkor since he can't defend against that accusation here. Same with JL who posted everything he was optimistic about, and asked for a little extra attention as payment...but did not sell anything privately.   You're big red letters were out of line to begin with in regards falkor, who was just posting research results at his own pace, while being optimistic about the current results. 

We are witnessing a phenomenon where people post details as long as they are not 100% sure there is a winning system.  Then, the moment they feel 100% sure they've turned the tables, withdraw contributions, and at best, offer too few hints that madden the hungry crowd, for fear casinos worldwide will shut down roulette forever, when the most casinos will probably ever do is back off consistent winners (like card counters), whether casinos understand how winners win or not.   This is where denzie most resembles Warrior.

Then we see a phenomenon where the hint-dropper selects a few worthy among the mad hungry crowd...for inclusion in private hints or private revelation. 

Last phenomenon but not least, some will be thankful for the hints, as if a guide had pointed in the right direction over a rocky mountain pass.  In that situation, there are three possibilities:

    1.) It's the right direction over the pass
    2.) The guide doesn't know if the direction is wrong or right (but believes it's right)
    3.) The guide knows it's probably the wrong direction

The most probable is #2. The more the guide taunts the crowd, the more likely it is #3.  Some of us won't take right directions from mean spirited guides, even if the guide might be pointing in the right direction.  That's where i stand.  I will find the right road without the menacing guide.   

Still

Hey Still,

First off, all of my info about Falkor came directly from his public thread. After posting multiple "breadcrumbs" and promising a "holy grail" over dozens of pages, Iggiv gave him an ultimatum; either give a detailed explanation of his system or leave. Falkor promised to post the entire system by January 1st 2015. Then...............Then....................................................NOTHING.

I posted the same warning about this Con right before Iggiv stepped in, and "magically" I was correct (just a lucky guess-right?)

*On a side note, the innocent Falkor that you refer to, made extensive and extreme use of the Font Size and Coloring options that you chose to criticize me for *

But, for the sake of argument, let's try your philosophy. Imagine that each and every system ever posted on this forum, wasn't laid out in detail, but just described in a list of hints designed to "help us find the truth in each system".

How many bogus "holy grails" would we have?
How much time, effort, money, and energy would members have spent, with nothing to show for it?
Would we be closer to a working system?

Your process is called FAITH, while this forum is about SCIENCE.

And as for your Conspiracy theory about members hiding the "holy grail" from others for fear that the casinos shut down; this is simply another pseudo-scientific theory designed to help you believe instead of thinking. Simply put- you prefer fantasy to reality when given the choice.

This forum is designed to be a place where individuals post evidence-based info regarding avenues to beat the game of Roulette. If you would prefer a faith based approach to the game, might I suggest starting a forum of your own where you can discuss effective methods like Prayer, Astrology,  or Ouija Boards for prediction.

As for me, I am going to stick with the scientific approach to beating the game

[Still]

Hey Still,

First off, all of my info about Falkor came directly from his public thread. After posting multiple "breadcrumbs" and promising a "holy grail" over dozens of pages, Iggiv gave him an ultimatum; either give a detailed explanation of his system or leave. Falkor promised to post the entire system by January 1st 2015. Then...............Then....................................................NOTHING.

I posted the same warning about this Con right before Iggiv stepped in, and "magically" I was correct (just a lucky guess-right?)

*On a side note, the innocent Falkor that you refer to, made extensive and extreme use of the Font Size and Coloring options that you chose to criticize me for *

But, for the sake of argument, let's try your philosophy. Imagine that each and every system ever posted on this forum, wasn't laid out in detail, but just described in a list of hints designed to "help us find the truth in each system".

How many bogus "holy grails" would we have?
How much time, effort, money, and energy would members have spent, with nothing to show for it?
Would we be closer to a working system?

Your process is called FAITH, while this forum is about SCIENCE.

And as for your Conspiracy theory about members hiding the "holy grail" from others for fear that the casinos shut down; this is simply another pseudo-scientific theory designed to help you believe instead of thinking. Simply put- you prefer fantasy to reality when given the choice.

This forum is designed to be a place where individuals post evidence-based info regarding avenues to beat the game of Roulette. If you would prefer a faith based approach to the game, might I suggest starting a forum of your own where you can discuss effective methods like Prayer, Astrology,  or Ouija Boards for prediction.

As for me, I am going to stick with the scientific approach to beating the game

Azim/thelaw, once again you are painting with loud broad paint-strokes that misrepresent people and their positions, including mine.  Falkor was approaching this as scientifically as i've ever seen anyone approach it on the forum, an approach that i favor.   He was just not jumping to conclusions as fast as you thought he should jump.  Now you misrepresent the sequence of events leading to his ban...a week before Jan 1st, the day he promised iggiv to let loose some significant research results.  Just before Christmas, he posted some other, but similar method, that seemed to work well, and then asked that it be deleted, because, he thought, it worked too well.  It seems he discovered it enroute to the other solution he was researching.   At the same time, he may have invited a few folks to a private site to see his research in that regard, not to sell them the research, but to let them see it free.  Somehow this was all interpreted as selling out in a bad way, and he was banned.  I already mentioned the phenomenon that falkor experienced; the desire to keep private methods that actually work, once you fully realize, or come to fully believe, that they will work.  I already mentioned the three possibilities in that case.  Now, if the mods want to be consistent, denzie will be banned soon because he has stated as a matter of fact, that he will no longer offer anything to the group that he actually believes will work, and will forever more keep private anything he actually knows (or believes) will work.  All this despite the help he may have received from the group in the past.   At best he will offer maddening hints.   In that case, the mods should give him a set time to offer all the hints he intends to offer, and give him enough time to privately invite anyone he considers worthy of his information to meet him privately,  at the end of which time he should be banned. 

There are people here who don't know yet that they will opt never to reveal (except for maddening hints) something that actually (or that they believe actually) works...to the crowd.  You might be one of them.  I believe falkor did not know he would be that way, and as soon as he discovered it (by asking a thread be deleted), he was banned.  So, to be consistent, he should either be brought back, or denzie should be banned along with Warrior, with those who have explicitly expressed they will never give anything more than hints, regardless the help they may receive or have received from group-sourcing the forum's resources.

All that's happening right now is denzie is insulting the group, dividing it into what he considers sheep and goats, and may (if you are lucky) decide to PM whom he considers good sheep.  I say, give him some time.  But not much. 

Still

[TwoCatSam]

"Sheep go to heaven; goats go to hell."