Mayor of oldham holds Muslim prayer in government?
What's going on over there?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 07:53 AM 2017
Mayor of oldham holds Muslim prayer in government?
What's going on over there?
Its his religion...do you want him to be a nice white Christian like Ian Brady or Peter Sutcliffe?
Councillor Shadab Qumer was born in Oldham. Ive met him. Hes a nice guy.
What does "holds Muslim prayer in government" actually mean
Government is a group of people elected to run a country, not somewhere you can go and have a nice cup of tea
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 08:48 AM 2017
Its his religion...do you want him to be a nice white Christian like Ian Brady or Peter Sutcliffe? naughty Turner using 2 of this countries finest examples
Councillor Shadab Qumer was born in Oldham. Ive met him. Hes a nice guy. your neck of the woods, does he want to take you all back to the old days, woman not taught, etc, or does he stand for what the electorate of the uk vote for.
What does "holds Muslim prayer in government" actually mean
Government is a group of people elected to run a country, not somewhere you can go and have a nice cup of tea yeah so remember june 23rd leave Europe, that some wan kers dont want so try to disrupt, like cough Tony Wan ker Blair and he's cronies
over to you
Read the politically incorrect guide to Islam -
link:://:.thereligionofpeace.com/
Have a good read before you dismiss it as "Islamophobia".
If your firing that at me, religion have no time for it, you believe theres some god out there letting all this shit happen on is creation.
Well wait till he sends ET, whos probably going to wipe you of the face of your gods creation, perhaps all religions might then come together to try and save their sorry lives, instead of killing each other in the name of GOD, thats a laugh.
If i have to be branded to following some movement, then better it be Humanism.
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 10, 09:31 AM 2017
If your firing that at me...
Not you in particular. I'm an agnostic and have no interest in arguing for one religion over another, but Islam is supremacist and violent. I'm not talking about muslims but the ideology. Thankfully most muslims are not "good" muslims in that they don't take the Koran literally and follow its edicts but enough do to make it dangerous.
The leftists think this is no problem
Had it been a Christian prayer then 1) the Muslim wouldn't have stood up and 2) he'd be under fire form leftist liberals
Muslims have a free pass.
I want equality for all but there is an undeniable free pass.
It's political correctness gone mad. There was a recent case here of dozens of teenage girls being abused by gangs of men (all asian/muslim). This had gone on for years and police knew it was happening but did nothing for fear of being labeled racist/Islamophic. That's not my opinion; they have admitted it. It's still going on but thankfully things are beginning to change. Look at Sharia law and the official status of women in Islam. It makes your blood curdle. Paedophilia is also permitted.
link:s://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Pedophilia#Muhammad_a_Pedophile.3F_Another_Look
Bayes. I believe it
I've seen the sharia protests in London
I've seen Muslims march saying "fu ck British police this is a Muslim country now"
Ive seen it all
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 10:09 AM 2017
I want equality for all but there is an undeniable free pass.
well...I live 8 miles from Oldham and worked there 10 years.
It doesnt bother me their Mayor is Muslim....so I fail to see why it bothers you 1000s of miles away
I don't mind that a mayor is or isn't a Muslim
The free pass of prayer is what irks me. I know you lean left turner so you will defend it.
In the US liberals here would also give a free pass. But they would be the first ones to bash Christian prayer in government
Bernie sanders gave a really hard time for a government worker expressing his Christian faith. Bernie wouldn't have done that to a Muslim
The free pass from the left is undeniable
Again, I want equality for all. I don't care if the Mayer is Muslim. But adhere to the country you are in, don't start praying to allah in open assembly like that. And they stood up and joined?
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 10:28 AM 2017It doesnt bother me their Mayor is Muslim....so I fail to see why it bothers you 1000s of miles away
That made me laugh.
Do you remember when all the Pakistanis where arriving in the UK. Well Peterborough, documentary sometime back, had the Local mayor of that time talking about it. He said the local white community didn’t want them living near them, cut the story short, move forward and Peterborough Pakistani community don’t want the polish living in their neighbourhood, so I guess what goes round comes round.
In millennia we’ll be able to call ourselves British again, even if we look a bit Caramac.
I have a friend who is involved with the Middle East
He said most Muslims like the Syrian refugees are peaceful and want a better life
It's the religious fanatic Pakistanis that you have to watch out for.
Its reality.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 08:48 AM 2017
Its his religion...do you want him to be a nice white Christian like Ian Brady or Peter Sutcliffe?
Councillor Shadab Qumer was born in Oldham. Ive met him. Hes a nice guy.
Ah but Brady and Sutcliffe didn't commit their crimes in
the name of Christianity. I highly doubt they were even practicing Christians. Most muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims and do commit crimes in the name of their religion. To them it's not a crime though, they're just being good muslims. That's why I'm worried and I think everyone in the western world should be. Donald Trump has a point. Islam is incompatible with western values.
Sorry mate, gotta disagree with you on this one.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 10, 10:47 AM 2017Ah but Brady and Sutcliffe didn't commit their crimes in the name of Christianity.
but we shouldn go beating up all Bradford truck drivers though should we
Well there’s good and bad in all ethnicities, but is it the press trying to make us believe, that Muslims are going to overrun us, kill us like in London.
In the press the other day Angela Merkel , reportedly saying regretting opening the boarders to refugees, who, Muslims seem to be the majority, I wonder why? She’s now showing to be losing in the polls.
Could it be that the New year celebrations when we hear that local white girls are getting pawed over by young Muslims who think they have the right to do as they like, saying white trash, shouldn’t wear revealing clothing, so what all white western women now need to walk around in post box clothing to please a group who are invited to a country, so that they can have a better life, and start demanding that we let them practice sharia law, yeah ok.
The Muslim religion is only for men, they treat there woman like second class citizens, take when we get reports of adultery by a Muslim woman, punishment, lets dig a hole and bury her up to her shoulders with her arms firmly fixed in the hole, then stone her, nice way I must say, when we going to see that in the UK, and what about the other party who got what he wanted, no punishment for him.
Do we need to go on more, like in the northern towns where the police turned a blind eye for years as to be seen as not racists, that young white girls where being groomed, by whom.
Is it too late to stop the march of the Muslim Religion? Might be in Luton and similar towns where governments let them over take the local population, then say it’s our land now.
Walk down the Barking road on a football day very nicely multi-cultural, go there when the footie not on whole different story, a foreigner in your own country.
But having said all that, there is good and bad, and yes I believe Muslims are good people, but when the few take it to the next level, why don’t they speak out, ever wonder why, I do. If they speak up what would happen down the mosque, where we are to believe the indoctrination happens. Would they become victims of their own so called people?
I remember a young Muslim brick hodcarrier, he said that they like western ways but get held back don’t wish to upset their parents, but he did say the longer it goes the more westernised they will get. Another I know won’t eat bacon, ok that’s up to him, but oh yes he likes a drink and a gamble, so it’s happening slowly I suppose.
My entire point is that those that politically lean left give a free pass to the Islamic community in western countries
Undeniable
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 10:46 AM 2017
He said most Muslims like the Syrian refugees are peaceful and want a better life
I think that's probably true of muslims everywhere. But what annoys me (to put it mildly) is when the politicians say the terrorist acts have nothing to do with Islam. They say it's the individuals who are evil and not the religion. But the reverse is true : it's the ideology which is to blame, and when there are 1.8 billion muslims you're going to get a signficant number who take the teachings seriously. Every religion has its fundamentalists: millions of Christians believe that what the bible says is literally true - the earth is 4,000 years old, Noah built an ark etc etc. The difference is that these beliefs are largely harmless. But the Koran says "chop of the heads of the unbelievers", so some of them do just that.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 10:53 AM 2017
but we shouldn go beating up all Bradford truck drivers though should we
No, absolutely not.
link:://:.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/what-to-do.aspx
link:://:.dailywire.com/news/19558/british-police-arrest-gang-asian-men-child-sex-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro
Seems like the good old in denial that there's a problem with assimilation.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 10, 11:38 AM 2017
link:://:.dailywire.com/news/19558/british-police-arrest-gang-asian-men-child-sex-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro
It's verry simmilar to italian news... When an italian man kill his south american wife and two kids, nobody talks about it, but when an african kills two old italians all channels are talking about him and his religion.
It's is much simpler to command and rule an angry crowd of people then to unify everybody and make this world safer.
Borders, religions and nations are just an instrument to rule the world.
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 10, 09:13 AM 2017
some wankers dont want so try to disrupt, like cough Tony Wanker Blair and he's cronies
Nottop,
I am giving you a 2 point recommendation for the above quote (your rating has increased from 135 to 137).
Tony Blair is not just a wanker -- he is a mass murderer.One other thing: there is no need to keep a space between "wan" and "ker." So I fixed your post and made it "wanker" as it should be.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 10, 11:03 AM 2017the Koran says "chop of the heads of the unbelievers"
Please give me an exact place in the original Koran, in original language that says this thing.
Koran is not like a Bible! It doesn't tell you how to live and what you must do! It teaches you to be clean with your soul and your body.
What you guys are talking about are different interprataitions of Koran, made by insagne people, but this doesn't mean that ALL muslims are terorists!!!
By the way, i'm ortodox.
This is a shitty topic from men without his own point of view!!!
Kiwi or danish people are not that much worried about terrorist and what is written where. Some Other countries are very worried. They know why? Not every country put their finger in to others.
By the way, a lot of terror acts in europe where made after sanctions made to stop Russia from thinking that they are Gods. Russian goverment has no balls but a lot of paid friends in muslim world. All those teracts and islam state are not about religion! But all those power hungry guys will be very glad if we can keep this religios fire on and dismiss them as a part of conflict.
The free pass is staggering. It happens here to. I'm not surprised.
Until one day our culture is changed forever.
I have to tell you that this is the reason I am interested in Buddhism.
I cant say I am a Buddhist. To say that would miss the point of Buddhism actually.
Buddhism isnt a religion. It is a philosophy. The great thing about that is that is that Religions arn't the competitor.
Philosophy's are the competitor, and Buddhism is free to embrace good bits of all religion. Its not competing against Catholicism, Judaism or Muslim religions. Its competing against ego and self destruction by thoughts.
I dont see a Muslim, or a Jew or a Christian. I see a psychopath or a Pedophile or a sick control freak. I see Murderers and hateful manipulators fulfilling their own rhetoric.
They dont have a skin colour or religion. They have a mental illness.
Even Buddhism has factions I dont agree with.
Theravada Buddhism is a community buddhism which I dont aspire to. Its like a religion.
Mahayana Buddhism is a personal journey. I believe in the fact that I f I am a good person, then I hope to set an example.
I wont follow dragnet trawlers to save Dolphins. I just wont eat Tuna. I am doing what would solve the issue if everyone followed.
Yes it sounds naive....but not as naive as being the guy following trawlers in a boat.
Muslims arnt the problem. Radical minded fanatics with no regard for mankind are the problem.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 06:42 PM 2017I am doing what would solve the issue if everyone followed.
True tuna i mean turner, but you are in the minority, some great catastrophe is needed, to pull all of us humans together, untill then its the same every day, fuck you jack i'm alright
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 10, 06:55 PM 2017
some great catastrophe is needed, to pull all of us humans together
Like ISIS ?
Quotesome great catastrophe is needed, to pull all of us humans together, untill then its the same every day, f*** you jack i'm alright
like finding HG and close the casino... :xd: :xd:
There are good and bad people in any religion. Its unfair to say everyone in a religion is evil or malicious.
Good and bad is mostly a point of view. From my point of view, Sharia law is very bad. It is counter-life, unproductive, oppressive etc. If someone wants to live by those laws, that's their choice.
Everyone should be able to live however they want, provided they do not interfere with other people's free-will.
GENERALLY speaking, Muslim and Christians don't mix. It's like putting a cat and dog in a room and asking them to respect each other. but I know some Muslim people personally, and they wouldn't even think of killing another person. They are good people, whether or not I agree with their religion.
This whole Muslim immigration into christian regions is by design. It is intentional to create conflict. Research it carefully. The end game is global government, new world order etc. More control over everyone. Order out of chaos.
There are some disgraceful things being done by immigrants, and christian residents alike. Atrocities by immigrants makes us angrier because they aren't from here originally, and don't belong here.
The people (Muslims or whoever) that chant crap like England is Muslim country now etc, are mostly just young men. It is natural for people in England to feel hatred and anger towards that kind of behavior.
Is the Muslim religion violent? Some parts of it, hell yeah. Other parts of it, no. Is the Christian religion violent? Some parts yes, some parts no. How many wars are fought in the name of the Christian god? You could argue Christians dont bomb innocent people. REALLY? What do you think US forces do overseas? They are the invaders. What do you think a Muslim extremist feels when they have invaders in their country killing innocent people?
Does it make it right to bomb innocent people in the US or wherever? Absolutely not. It's a disgrace to take any innocent life.
Both sides are doing things wrong. And both sides and not understanding what's really going on.
Having said all that, my opinion is:
1. Very strict immigration only. Clearly bad people are crossing borders and taking advantage of the situation. People in real power know this. Trump is right for extreme vetting. Look at the time we live in. Be compassionate to people that are genuine refugees, and protect from bad people who just want to exploit the opportunity.
2. If anyone doesnt like how a country is, dont come into it chanting bullshit like "England is a Muslim country now". But remember, these are just young men. For every 1 person like that, there are many Muslims who know that behavior is wrong.
3. Dont base your opinions so much on news and what you see on tv. Its only a small fraction of whats really happening, and tv/news is usually heavily biased.
4. Be aware of who the real enemy is (the elite, and our ignorance). Muslims are not an enemy. We are not their enemy either. It's like how a Muslim suicide bomber can kill innocent people because of what of what the government does. These innocent people have no part in it. They are the pawns too. Understand the narrative is to cause fear, hate and conflict. That way its easier for the elite to maintain and expand power.
Am i saying be loving to Muslims who want to kill us? Hell no. Protect yourself and your country from these people. But also try educating them too, so they understand who the real enemy is. As for people that dont give a crap about religion and are just malicious or evil by nature, they have no part in a civilized society. They have a much longer way to go.
There are so many parts to all of this. It is actually black and white, but the problem is there are so many parts to it that it looks like a muddled grey mess, and its hard to make sense of it. The confusion and information overload is also part of it.
Dont be so quick to judge and hate. But also be aware there are also misguided people that do wish harm on you. So the threat is real.
I dont know what the best solution will be. But I'm pretty certain there will be a very big shit storm before the situation is resolved. I feel overall the only thing that's going to resolve the situation is greater awareness of the bigger picture. We are all so convinced we are right, never properly looking from the other side.
And i dont think ET landing on the whitehouse lawn will resolve the situation. The catholic church has already said ETs may also be part of God's creation. Muslims may then claim the same. It wont solve anything.
But there has been speculation a fake ET invasion might be used to manipulate us. It's possible. There are groups with the balls to try and pull something like that off. There may even be a real ET invasion , who knows. But it's unlikely even if ETs are real (I'm sure they are) because any malevolent ETs who want to control us would do it best to control us covertly via manipulation. That's because if we are aware of the control they have, we would rebel. And any "good" ETs would likely sit back and let us figure out the manipulation for ourselves. Have you ever tried to teach someone something and they JUST DONT GET IT? That's what mankind is like - a bunch of dopey kids. The only way we are going to learn is for ourselves.
Even if ETs landed supposedly trying to help us, we'd need to be extremely suspicious. The correct way forward would be increasing freedom and encouraging people to think for themselves. But also having a good look around once in a while, to make sure we're being realistic.
From what I understand, there are ET races who know all about what's happening. But there is an agreement between them that the only control they can have is by manipulation. Neither side is allowed direct intervention. Even if there was no such agreement, what I said above is likely still true. Military occupation always fails - it requires endless resources. Control via manipulation is a far better option. Whoever is pulling the strings, ET or human, needs us to believe we are in control, and that we are free.
This goes deeper than immigration issues. Immigration and religion is just a small part of the bigger picture.
And for anyone who think's i'm nuts... put things into perspective.
How much of the world believes an evil reptile seeks to control us? (satan). Is that's true, Satan is just another being. An alien? To us, why not? It's actually not important what you call him. And for all we know he may not even exist. It could all be part of a huge man-made lie to control us.
We all in in a bubble here. We only know what we are fed. We need to piece together parts and figure it out. I'm not saying one thing or another is absolute fact. I base my beliefs on reason. I think it is daft to think we are the only beings in this enormous universe. And I think it's inevitable that superior beings would attempt to use us as a resource, much like how we use chickens as a resource. As above, so below. Everything is everything on a different scale.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 06:42 PM 2017
I have to tell you that this is the reason I am interested in Buddhism.
I cant say I am a Buddhist. To say that would miss the point of Buddhism actually.
Buddhism isnt a religion. It is a philosophy. The great thing about that is that is that Religions arn't the competitor.
Philosophy's are the competitor, and Buddhism is free to embrace good bits of all religion. Its not competing against Catholicism, Judaism or Muslim religions. Its competing against ego and self destruction by thoughts.
I dont see a Muslim, or a Jew or a Christian. I see a psychopath or a Pedophile or a sick control freak. I see Murderers and hateful manipulators fulfilling their own rhetoric.
They dont have a skin colour or religion. They have a mental illness.
Even Buddhism has factions I dont agree with.
Theravada Buddhism is a community buddhism which I dont aspire to. Its like a religion.
Mahayana Buddhism is a personal journey. I believe in the fact that I f I am a good person, then I hope to set an example.
I wont follow dragnet trawlers to save Dolphins. I just wont eat Tuna. I am doing what would solve the issue if everyone followed.
Yes it sounds naive....but not as naive as being the guy following trawlers in a boat.
Muslims arnt the problem. Radical minded fanatics with no regard for mankind are the problem.
It sounds like a hippie term, but the problem is "consciousness". The root problem is people are cut off from who and what they really are. Most of us have no idea. Because if we did, then all the crap we care about now would be revealed as petty and meaningless.
Every now and then we can all get glimpses of the reality. But because we're human and busy with our lives, we quickly fail to see it again. We forget. Unless all you do is work on your own awareness, I can't see how ordinary humans can reach that level where you don't lose that awareness. It happens because we are distracted. By tv, work, money, bills etc. To "survive" in a competitive society.
When we work, it's not really money we want. It's time.
We actually dont need a lot to "survive". We have created our own prison with work, money and busy lives. But it will change dramatically when enough of us reach "critical mass". ie enough of us wake up. It's actually inevitable, but it's at that stage the catastrophes by the elite will happen - as a last ditch effort to maintain control.
We're all learning. We all at some point thought we had it figured, and later realized we had no idea. And right now on some level, we all have no idea. So never say you totally have it figured out. Enjoy the ride.
Everyone needs to actively do something about it, no matter how small. My main efforts are :.yourway.org.au and :.landsharing.org. the landsharing.org site was destroyed by hackers.. for some reason. But now its only just online again. I havent had time to promote them properly yet.
Basically the purpose of the sites are to enable people to have more time and freedom. We all already have everything we need.
i used to think free energy would solve all the problems, but now I know it wouldnt because it would just be abused. Probably even create more problems. Before free energy would need responsibility. We already see how dickheads in power are acting with nuclear weapons.
If everyone took the time for some simple lessons, everything would be much better. Never accept anything as truth, just because you hear it. Think for yourself and use a broad range of sources. The broader the range, the clearer the picture. I find one of the most accurate to be Alan Watts. There are tonnes of videos like this one:
Quote from: praline on Aug 10, 05:56 PM 2017
Please give me an exact place in the original Koran, in original language that says this thing.
Koran is not like a Bible! It doesn't tell you how to live and what you must do! It teaches you to be clean with your soul and your body.
What you guys are talking about are different interprataitions of Koran, made by insagne people, but this doesn't mean that ALL muslims are terorists!!!
By the way, i'm ortodox.
This is a shitty topic from men without his own point of view!!!
praline, so you're saying that any translation of the Koran can be ignored because it's misinterpreted? That's nonsense. The translations are done by high ranking muslim clerics and scholars, and for most of the passages there isn't much room for misinterpretation. In fact, the mistintepretation more often comes from apologists for Islam who are trying to soften the clear message that non-muslims are inferior.
The passage about chopping of heads is 8:12. You can see it here together with many other "verses of violence".
link:s://:.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
And where did I say that all muslims are terrorist? I explicitly said that they're not (see my reply #14).
Steve,
QuoteIs the Muslim religion violent? Some parts of it, hell yeah. Other parts of it, no. Is the Christian religion violent? Some parts yes, some parts no. How many wars are fought in the name of the Christian god? You could argue Christians dont bomb innocent people. REALLY? What do you think US forces do overseas?
Not really a fair point because the fact that the USA is a nominally Christian country doesn't mean that its foreign policies are motivated by anything in the bible. There is nothing in Christian teaching which says that all-non believers should be converted by force if necessary, which is what Islam says. Of course every religiion wants to expand its church but there are ways and means of going about it.
Of course Christianity as a religion isn't blameless, but if you look at the ideology of it compared to Islam you have to come to the conclusion that it's relatively benevolent. People point to the Crusades as an example of Christian aggression but they were a counter-attack to recover the lands conquered by the muslims who were the original aggressors.
When you look at the big picture it's very hard not to conclude that Islam stands out among religions as being supremacist and intolerant. Again, that doesn't mean that all or even most muslims are that way inclined. Anyone who denies this in the face of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary has sacrificed critical thinking at the alter of political correctness.
link:s://:.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx
Quote from: Turner on Aug 10, 06:42 PM 2017
Muslims arnt the problem. Radical minded fanatics with no regard for mankind are the problem.
I used to think that too, but when when we started getting the attacks in Europe something didn't add up. How come we never hear about terrorist attacks by Chrisitans, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists? It's because there aren't any, that's why, or at least, hardly any by comparison. That's when I started to educate myself about Islam, which I was totally ignorant about. I just assumed like everyone else that all religions are peaceful.
QuoteAside from pursuing mass murder plots against innocent populations in every corner of the planet, Islamic terrorists have one other thing in common: They credit their motivation and success to religion.
Islam isn't hijacked by extremists - it is what inspires them. This distinguishes Islamic terrorism from criminal activity, and it is part of what makes Islam so very, very different from other religions.
Many people prefer to bury their heads in the sand or look for ways to re-cast Islamic terror to fit their own political agenda. However, Muslims behind the violence are quite explicit about the religious certainty that compels their actions.
The teachings and early history of Islam that explain the violence are discussed elsewhere on this site. Here is shown that, as far as Islamic terrorists are concerned, their acts are done explicitly in the name of Allah and for the cause of Islam and Islamic law... across the globe.
link:s://:.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/in-the-name-of-allah.aspx
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 11, 03:43 AM 2017How come we never hear about terrorist attacks by Chrisitans
Tell that to the parents of Jonathan Ball and Tim Parry
I suppose I am trying to see the bigger picture rather than this current trend
One day this planet will go phhtt :girl_to: and then all of humanity's efforts will be to no avail.
I say we just get over ourselves now.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 11, 04:03 AM 2017
I suppose I am trying to see the bigger picture rather than this current trend
Last year there were 2478 Islamic attacks in 59 countries, in which 21237 people were killed and 26680 injured. I don't have any stats for the number of people killed in the name of other religions, but I'm guessing it's less than 100. As for the bigger picture, the current trend has been going on since the 7th Century. :o
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 11, 04:23 AM 2017the current trend has been going on since the 7th Century.
I'll raise you "The Crusades"
And couple of years before there was an attack on iraq by some so called nice country without a valid reason that kills millions of civilian not the armed person.and no statistics can be equal to this. Come to those point first .
to sum it up...
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=S_JgYXp9_UU (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=S_JgYXp9_UU)
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=S_JgYXp9_UU (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=S_JgYXp9_UU)
posted it twice as some people might want to listen to it in stereo... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: Madi on Aug 11, 04:49 AM 2017
And couple of years before there was an attack on iraq by some so called nice country without a valid reason that kills millions of civilian not the armed person.and no statistics can be equal to this. Come to those point first .
Absolutely. It was in 2003 to be accurate.
And this war started by a certain big and holier-than-thou country and its tiny poodle (an island country) has resulted in nearly 500,000 to 1,000,000 mostly innocent people dying.
And the current mayhem and misery that continues in that region can be directly attributed to that 2003 war.
Another thing that people tend to forget in regard to the war that I alluded to above is this: both GWB and his lapdog tony blair are ......
drum roll, please ...... devout Christians.
GWB is a self-proclaimed "compassionate Christian."
And, not to be outdone in this regard, his beloved lapdog has in the past proudly mentioned that he reads the bible every night before going to bed.
A couple of factoids that we tend to forget a little bit too conveniently and facilely.
Quotethe fact that the USA is a nominally Christian country doesn't mean that its foreign policies are motivated by anything in the bible.
Correct but i was more referring to a jihadist's perception of USA citizens.
QuoteOf course Christianity as a religion isn't blameless, but if you look at the ideology of it compared to Islam you have to come to the conclusion that it's relatively benevolent
Yes I agree with this too, and yes generally islam and/or its believers are less tolerant, and generally more violent. Modern christians dont behead people, or cut off hands, or do any of the other twisted crap. But again we cant categorize all muslims to be this way. The way I feel about it is I dont want anything to do with fanatics of any kind, christian, muslim or whatever.
I know right from wrong. I dont need more than my own sense. Religion is not necesarry to know right and wrong.
I see screwed up people (mainly ignorant and unintelligent), rather than screwed up religions.