System:
Profit averages $60 per hour using $1 chips.
Losing sessions are very rare. (About two per thousand spins).
Two bets are made on every spin:
Low (1-18) and the 3rd Dozen (25-36)
Bet One - One to Eighteen
The 1 - 18 bet on the outside of the roulette table covers the numbers 1 to 18. This bet pays even money, meaning that a $1 bet pays $1 if any of the numbers 1 to 18 come up on the next spin.
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Bet Two - Third Dozen
The 3rd Dozen or 3rd 12 bet on the outside of the roulette table covers the numbers 25 to 36. This bet pays two to one, meaning that a $1 bet pays $2 if any of the numbers 25 to 36 come up on the next spin.
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Placing the Two Bets Together: 1-18 and the 3rd Dozen
You can cover 30 numbers on the roulette layout by placing two bets on every spin: 1-18 and the 3rd Dozen.
Only 8 numbers can make you lose:
0, 00, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 and 24.
You must place the two bets in the proper amount of 3 chips on 1-18 and 2 chips on the 3rd Dozen.
Why?
If 1 to 18 comes up, you win 3 chips on 1-18 and lose 2 chips on 25 to 36, for a profit of 1 chip.
If 25 to 36 comes up, you win 4 chips on that bet and lose 3 chips on 1-18 for a profit of 1 chip.
How Many Times in a Row Can the Two Bets Lose?
You will be very happy to know that the two bets together don't lose very often and not too many times in a row. That's because on every spin you have 30 chances of winning versus only 8 chances of losing. The odds of winning are tremendously in your favor!
After thousands of test spins using recorded casino spins, the most times in a row the two bets lost were four times. Four times in a row is incredible!
In an average 1,000 spins, there should be 210 single losses, 40 two-in-a-row losses; 9 three-in-a-row losses; 2 four-in-a-row losses and 0 five-in-a-row or more losses. These numbers are based on mathematical probability.
During our testing, the numbers varied from each group of 1,000 spins, but not by much.
We have never seen a five-in-a-row loss in our testing. This doesn't mean five in a row or more are not possible. Anything is possible, but the odds against seeing five in a row losses or more are astronomical! On average, you will experience a two-in-a-row or more loss once every 40 spins. With such a low "losses in a row" rate, you can formulate simple winning progressions to take advantage of these great odds.
A Winning Progression
If any one of the eight losing numbers come up, 0, 00, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 or 24, you lose both bets for a total loss of 5 chips. If you bet 5 chips on every spin, you will lose money in the long run. However, if you increase your two bets after a loss, you will win more money in the long term than you lose in the short term.
Here is a winning progression:
One Loss:
Our "basic bet" is 3/2 (3 chips on 1-18 and 2 chips on the 3rd Dozen).
Continue to bet 3/2 until you have a loss (when 0, 00, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 or 24 comes up).
After your first losing bet increase your bet to 9/6.
If that bet wins, your next bet is also 9/6.
If that bet wins, you have made a 1 chip profit.
You only need to win the next two spins in a row to show a profit.
For example, the first spin is 21. You lose 5 chips.
Your next bet is 9 chips on 1-18 and 6 chips on the 3rd Dozen.
The next spin is 4. You win 9 chips on 1-18 and lose 6 chips on the 3rd Dozen for a profit of 3 chips. When you subtract the 5 chips you lost on the first spin, you're still down 2 chips. Your next bet is again 9 and 6 chips. The next spin is 7. You're profit for this spin is again 3 chips. Add that to your minus 2 chips and you're ahead 1 chip. You now go back to your basic bet of 3/2 chips.
Two Losses in a Row:
Our "basic bet" is 3/2 (3 chips on 1-18 and 2 chips on the 3rd Dozen).
After first losing bet your next bet is 9/6.
If that bet loses, your next bet is 33/22.
If that bet wins, your next bet is also 33/22.
If that bet wins, you have made a 1 chip profit.
Your next bet is again 3/2
Three Losses in a Row:
Our "basic bet" is 3/2 (3 chips on 1-18 and 2 chips on the 3rd Dozen).
After first losing bet your next bet is 9/6.
If that bet loses, your next bet is 33/22.
If that bet loses, your next bet is 74/36.
If that bet wins, your next bet is also 74/36.
If that bet wins, your next bet is also 74/36. Your next bet is again 3/2.
If either of the last two bets lose, take the $185 loss and play again later. Don't risk more than $100 on any spin.
Total bankroll is $185
In an average 1,000 spins you should win $630. ($1,000 minus 2 losses of $185 each). As stated earlier, you should only experience 2 four-in-a-row losses per thousand spins.
The above progression is the one we use when we play this system. You can experiment with your own progressions if you'd like.
Converting Four-in-a-row Losses to Winners.
We have found a secret that eliminates most four-in-a-row losses! Anytime one of the eight losing number shows up, switch to the opposite two bets for the next bet: (on the next bet after a loss, place 9 chips on 19-36 and 6 chips on the 1st Dozen). Then, switch back to your normal bets.
Consider this sequence of spins:
19
21
19
23
19
21 (betting on 19-36 and the 1st Dozen turns this into a win!)
19 (switching back to 1-18/3rd Dozen turns this into one loss)
23 (betting on 19-36 and the 1st Dozen turns this into a win!)
This is truly the World's Best and Safest Roulette System. Good luck. And don't forget to thoroughly test this system before you play it for real money.
U do realise, there is a flip side to this bet.
Ur bet :- 3 x 1 on LOW + 2 x 1 on 3rd Dozen
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Flip bet:- 3 x 1 on HIGH + 2 x 1 on 1st Dozen.
Alternate between the two, when U have seen large hits on those 6 numbers that are not covered by this PPPC bet. (exclud Zeros)
There is also a way to buy insurance on the Zero Green Goblin Brothers (for our American Cousins, or Single Goblin for Us European folk!)
Multiple up the bet values.
These bets ONLY make profit when the EC's hit, so, like a lot of bets that are being designed at the Moment (Matrix/Lines/Dozens) the trick is to watch the trends, and move accordingly.
Trending, is the Future.
hi WW where do you play this method live or RNG
For the French tables, add a 1/10th of a unit bet on the zero, if it hits, the 1-18 bet of 3 units receives back half the bet i.e 3/2=1.5 plus the 3.6 units return on the zero pay out totals 5.1 units which means that your total bet is returned on a zero hitting ( 2 units on the 3rd doz + 3 units on the EC and 1/10 unit on the zero, total = 5.1 units)
Total on a win equals 1 unit minus 1/10 unit on zero = 9/10th's of a unit (My B&M table minimum bet is 10 times the inside bet minimum)
Cheers
MP
@ Midnight Player.
I like it! :)
@Chrisbis thanks ;D
Thanks for the system. Any further information such as profit target per session?
hullo. this is a good one. where can i play this. can i play it on william hill rNG? thanks
I have discussed this method way back here in my section: link:://rouletteforum.cc/albalaha%27s-exclusive/best-hit-and-run-strategy/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/albalaha%27s-exclusive/best-hit-and-run-strategy/). This can be a good one for hit and run but not very good for playing infinitely.
Hi, i know its old topic but im interested is anyone still playing this?? I gave it a try in BV no zero roullete and its doing quite good, switching Dozens and sides between every win or loose maybe can strenghten this method, no zero provides only 6 loosing options? Playing short sessions ..
Anyone? O0
Wow! Just saw what an old topic this is.
I, too, wonder if anyone plays this or has played it. This is a whole lot like the "Flaming Torch".
Seems Bet Voyager would be the ideal place to play.
Sam
Sorry...I dont get it. The original post is like a scam. The system wont ever work because its naive, like "wait until a dozen doesnt show for 5 spins....."
It the kind of post that shouldnt be put up in such an experienced forum.
You cant just fill in the holes in a system with a statement like "take the $185 loss and play again later"
Thats fine if you are a premiership football player...lol
turner
If there is one system without "holes", I'd be grateful to see it. Sometimes--for me anyway--things just aren't going right and a stop loss just lets me walk away with some money for another day.
While it is true that every spins is just like every other spin, there are what I call "rarely occurring occurrences" and when I find one, I bet on it. It's fun and that's all I'm after!
This system is not really that bad. The math is behind it. Especially at BV.
Sam
This system was known as the " Havana System" during the good ole days before Castro`s revolution when the Havana casino was the hottest place on the island.
Too many numbers. Not to be recommended .It`s a loser.
N.D.
Nathan Detroit?
Just my 2¢ worth. There is nothing great about this bet. It is the same as a losing (-ve) progression on any 10 streets or 5 lines or any 30 inside numbers. .
TwoCat,
Maybe I am being (or sounding) harsh. Everyones got their view.
I just thought that well before one would say "just lose $180 and come back later", one would have said "this is a duff idea".
I downloaded evey single system off VLS and tried them all. They all did exactly the same thing
Harzburg spins april 3rd Table 2......wow this system just made me £100
Bremen Casino may 5th Table 5 ......This system is worse than The Osmands reunion ticket sales
There is no holy grail. They are all full of holes.
Their success is down to the people who manage it, not the system.
If everything allways worked, Jim Lovell would have landed on the moon. Evil Kenivel wouldnt have broke every bone in his body and Casinos wouldnt exist.
I don't know if you are from US or europe TwoCats, but every other advert on the TV in UK is some kind of online Casino/Bingo site. that's because people are out of control idiots....not that there are no decent systems.
There are good systems out there.
The system described here isnt one of them.
Your problems with any method/system is couse most of you/if not all/
are testing it.... illions spins...try to do it on average 350-400 spins,
night session usually,swapping several methods throught a night...not playing just
only one method,and you will see different picture in your pockets.
Plus/swap---plus/swap--plus/swap.plus/swap.....you got it*????
Quote from: vile on May 12, 07:05 AM 2012
..not playing just only one method,and you will see different picture in your pockets.
I agree, with one caveat: If a method is working, continue to play it, no need to change. But if it isn't, that's when you should swap.
The problem is that people want a simple system which they can play like a robot and double their bank every time.
turnerfeck
I am from the USA.
If the above is an example of a bad system, tell me one on VLS that is a good one in your opinion.
Sam
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I see this topic before with progression - don't remember how many steps.
I know some one can use high/low with two lines - that way some one can use any line with 6 numbers as bet selection - i think the best way is to wait until one fall into sleep and then play once.
Twocats,
Sorry, mabe I'm not getting my point over.
What I was saying was that I have tried every coded RX system off VLS downloads. That must amount to 120-150 systems. They all fail at sometime. And most look great now and again.
I do like Turbo456, but it plays hard, but it dies even harder.
I like Millions in May ideas where you see a trigger of some definition, then keep adding units to new numbers. There are a few MIM ideas in VLS. They also win well, and die spectacularly.
I actually had an idea recently. Based on the aweful "wait until a dozen hasn't his for 5 spins then bet on it" idea, I thought to bet on it not happening by placing a unit on the oposite dozens, because it regularly fails to hit on 6, or 7 and can go 15, 16 without a hit.
It works very well, but I havnt tested it megga
My idea wasn't to win, but to lose. I want to lose £20 then come away. So I wait 5 spins and lets say Doz 2 doesn't come out, I bet £10 on D1 and £10 on D3.
The silly "wait 5 spins" doesn't work and I win £10.
i then bet £5 on D1 and D3. Then £2, £1. So I'm up to 9 spins without a win.
Its risky now, so I bet D2 will come out. And it usually does within 2.
1,2,4,8U makes 13 spins without a hit.
Its a green shoots idea.....needs thining about (or binning LoL)
Mabe this is the way forward.
Invent a system, then play it in an Anti way.
Quote from: turnerfeck on May 12, 11:21 AM 2012
Twocats,
Sorry, mabe I'm not getting my point over.
What I was saying was that I have tried every coded RX system off VLS downloads. That must amount to 120-150 systems. They all fail at sometime. And most look great now and again.
I do like Turbo456, but it plays hard, but it dies even harder.
I like Millions in May ideas where you see a trigger of some definition, then keep adding units to new numbers. There are a few MIM ideas in VLS. They also win well, and die spectacularly.
I actually had an idea recently. Based on the aweful "wait until a dozen hasn't his for 5 spins then bet on it" idea, I thought to bet on it not happening by placing a unit on the oposite dozens, because it regularly fails to hit on 6, or 7 and can go 15, 16 without a hit.
It works very well, but I havnt tested it megga
My idea wasn't to win, but to lose. I want to lose £20 then come away. So I wait 5 spins and lets say Doz 2 doesn't come out, I bet £10 on D1 and £10 on D3.
The silly "wait 5 spins" doesn't work and I win £10.
i then bet £5 on D1 and D3. Then £2, £1. So I'm up to 9 spins without a win.
Its risky now, so I bet D2 will come out. And it usually does within 2.
1,2,4,8U makes 13 spins without a hit.
Its a green shoots idea.....needs thining about (or binning LoL)
Mabe this is the way forward.
Invent a system, then play it in an Anti way.
All systems die in 1M spins testing. But these are not real playing conditions. They don't not factor in win goal or stop-loss. Rx coding just gives you an idea about a system. Old fashioned testing is much better but most people are too lazy to do it. Try to run properly coded system on RX for 100 spins. If it nosedives most of the time then its a discard.
If it holds up 90% of a time and later goes down... What does it tell you?
If you answer this question then maybe you found the key...
Regards
Rob
I do test that way on RX, with real casino spins. Usually 100 like you said.
i tested all the VLS systems that way too.
mad thing is, when me and the Wife go to Grosvenor Casino on a Wednsday, i cant do any system at all.
i just cant think in a live arena. We do well betting on numbers that have hit once or twice. No sleepers
Ive got too used to RX doing it all for me.
Quote from: turnerfeck on May 12, 12:33 PM 2012
Rob
I do test that way on RX, with real casino spins. Usually 100 like you said.
i tested all the VLS systems that way too.
mad thing is, when me and the Wife go to Grosvenor Casino on a Wednsday, i can't do any system at all.
i just can't think in a live arena. We do well betting on numbers that have hit once or twice. No sleepers
I've got too used to RX doing it all for me.
Yeah. Unfortunately sooner or later you have to make a dreaded trip to B&M casino or get online and hope that all your testing will hold up. Unless you are in it just for a hobby like just playing for fun money.
stiff patterns like this always lose on a long run. period. that's a feature or randomness (and roulette): every kind of bet used too frequently and for long time is gonna lose. If it was not like this, roulette as casino game would not exist by now.
This is completly NOT a system. even in Hit&Run once a day
Quote from: turnerfeck on May 12, 11:21 AM 2012
Invent a system, then play it in an Anti way.
This is why I'm on forums. Some guy makes a statement like the above and it sets me thinking. Next thing you know, I've found a piece of the puzzle I've been looking for since 2007.
I am convinced the answer is out there. I found half of it in his post.
For years I have loved, played and studied the G.U.T. by winkle. I knew there was something I was missing; something winkle himself was missing--The Anti-Crossing! Not 0 vs1 but crossing vs anti-crossing! I love it. I'm a little rummy tonight! Not the "Holy Grail" but I can pay for my nursing home!
Thank you and Thank you!
TwoCatSam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 20, 04:53 AM 2012
--The Anti-Crossing! Not 0 vs1 but crossing vs anti-crossing! I love it. I'm a little rummy tonight! Not the "Holy Grail" but I can pay for my nursing home!
Thank you and Thank you!
TwoCatSam
Hi TCS,
I was a big follower of G.U.T. too( and a player ) but that was a little while ago.
Would you care to expand on your crossing v anti-crossing idea? Im having trouble getting my head around it.
Thank you.
Let me get it all straight in my mind. I should have called it the "Crossing Creator", perhaps.
You have this: 14 vs 12 (0 vs 1) Now, a hit on the fourteen numbers would "create" this: 13 vs 13. The bet that won on the fourteen numbers "created" the true crossing. It's the "anti-crossing" or better, the "Crossing Creator."
It's like what I called "The winkel non-crossing crossing". Sort of...........
Let's revive the G.U.T.
Sam
Hi Sam,
Thank you for the explanation, I think I get it... Im all for bringing the G.U.T back..I think I still have the software tracker somewhere on my hard disk!....maybe..