The moderator decides whether the system should be made public or not as it may cause the permanent closure of the game of French Roulette.
The system is based on the play of two dozen.
On the next message i put the complete system if the moderator allows the publication. :xd:
Winner3
Hello winner3!!
I hope we will be able to review your method.......
Many thanks........
The system is based on bet on two dozens at the same time. (ONLY FOR FRENCH ROULETTE - SINGLE ZERO)
Play two dozen at a time always the same. for example 1-12 and 13-24.
Playing two dozens against one, you have two chances to win the game and one chance to lose the game.
Suppose you want to retrieve with a 1,5 shot of winning each shot of loss.
12 shots of loss recovered with 18 shots of winnings, give a sure winning of 6 shots of 36.
12+8=30
36-30=6
as a percentage :
6:36=x:100
x=600/36=16,6 %
but since we must take account of the zero tax, that for a game set on dozens is 5,40 % in fact we have the following percentage of winning :
16,6-5,40=11,20 %
is therefore shown that, while playing two dozens at the same times, and working to retrieve a shot of loss with a 1,5 winning bet. you get a winning average of 11,20% of the total shots played.
In the next message i send the exact formula to calculate the bets amount.
Winner3
Thanks for posting your system.
Its nice that the system doesn t include a bet selection ,because bet selections aren t working (at least this is what the history of roulette has shown)
So your system relies only on money managment...This is also something that the history has shown that a money managment can t work alone.
BUT I would be happy if you would surprize me :) .
I am looking forward your next post.
Put a chip on each one of the two dozens, if the shot is won the game will be considered closed. (+1 chip)
But if you lose you will still bet a chip on two dozens (the same two dozens) until you get a shot of winning. After getting the first shot of winning and after every shot that you win, to determine the bets for the following shots you must do it this way :
a) multiplying the fixed number 1,5 for the number of lost shots.
b) is subtracted from the product of the multiplication the number of shots won.
c) divides the overdraft of the game for the difference obtained as a result of operation of the point b. (rounding).
In the next message will tell you a mathematical example.
exuse me for my bad English, i'm italian.
shots played | post Dz. 1| sign |post Dz.2|result|total result| winning shots|
1 | 1 | - | 1 | -2 | -2 | |
2 | 1 | - | 1 | -2 | -4 | |
3 | 1 | - | 1 | -2 | -6 | |
4 | 1 | - | 1 | -2 | -8 | |
5 | 1 | - | 1 | -2 | -10 | |
6 | 1 | - | 1 | -2 | -12 | |
7 | 1 | + | 1 | +1 | -11 | 1 |
32-33-36-25-28-28-1
the seventh shot win. the determination of the post after winning the shot will be made ​​so :
a) 1,5 (fixed number) x 6 (shots of loss)= 9
b) 9 (product of multiplication) - 1 (winning shots) = 8
c) 11 (loss so far - total result) : 8 (difference) = 1,37 rounded upwards to 2
for the next bet you have to bet 2 chips per dozens.
Please advise me if the system is clear ?
I have contacted the forum member named "ophis" to create a program that performs the necessary calculations automatically, I beg the reader to make some donation to ophis when the software is ready.
The system is completely based on the law of large numbers, The law of large numbers, also called the empirical law of the case or Bernoulli's theorem.
Winner3
I got it ! :)
It seems really really mathimaticaly clever calculated.
THANK YOU A LOT.
Could you please tell me how many spins have you tested with it? and what was the result?
Oh ! and 1 question.
Why we must do the calculation only after the winning shots?(spins)
If a lot of losing shots will happen the number of the bet can still change ... right?( I mean even if we will not have a winning shot, the lots of loses can provide us a different number of chips to bet if we will make the formula calculation)
Why will it work only on French I thought it only applies to even bets? Correct me if I am wrong, also may I know the bankroll required? It would be good if you can give us a run through maybe about 45 spins? Thanks.
It will work only on european Roulette weddings because the man has calculated into his formula the 1 zero(average loss) and not the 2 zeros of the american roulette.
you do not need any more examples...the rules are perfectly easy.
The only answer that we must get is WHY we must be betting the same amount of chips on EVERY LOSING SPINS and WHY we must make the calculation of how many chips to bet ONLY after the winning spins.....
Because even if we have no wins , the amount of the losing spins can also alter the formulas result !
I will post again the question according to winner3 exact words.
winner 3 you posted :
after every shot that you win, to determine the bets for the following shots you must do it this way :
The question is:
Why do we have to determine the bets ONLY after the winning shots????????
are you sure about that?
Ok tested the system a little bit and it seems logical that we have to make the calculation only after the winning spins.
Let s hope that this is a winner system.
I just want to see how high the bets can grow after a very bad fluxuation.(I don t think that they can reach the table maximum bet).
The tool would be vital because when you are playing for real you need NO MISTAKES and fast calculations.
Once again thank you winner3
why everyone so silent? :P
Well looks that it recoups pretty nicely,where is a SUPERMAN when you need to test something in this place?????
heheheh !
Superman ! We need you !!!! ;D
xxlakis what was the biggest loss inside the sessions?
Well... I dont know yet if this works, but I think it can get even better. Heres how:
1st enhancement:
Instead of playing allways, choose the 2 dozens as you normally would and play virtually until you have a series of losses, then wait for a vitual win. Do the calculations as winner3 showed us and then bet as he described;
2nd enhancement:
Instead of tracking only 1 group of 2 dozens... track the 3 groups possible of 2 dozens! Dozen 1-2; 2-3;1-3 . Then, also track the columns in the same way.
Of course something like this needs... a system to track and do the calculations. And it also needs to be tested...
I have read the opening post 2 or 3 times but still cant get it in my head properly, if you could do a simple explanation so I don't need to think too much then I will have a go with it.
superman just read the post with his example and you will get everything you need ;)
Have a good luck with that system :twisted: You might get lucky with anything, and yes, this one recovers. There is a result from my quick and probably not much precise implementation. Enjoy results and DON'T think about flutuations much :thumbsup:
Seriously - ZERO IS A BIG CULPRIT THERE!!!
CALCULATIONS OF THE WINNERS AND LOSERS
Must we calculate the loses of the whole game or just the losses between two winners?
:-\ :-\
ludo8400
Fire in the hole :P
Ludo you must calculate the losers and the winners of all the session.
When u are + , then u are starting a new session with just 1 and 1 chip on the dozens.
mr.ore I know that you told not to care about the fluxuations BUT i can see a -2000 loss :o
Ofcourse the possitive is that it recovered. LoL Very nice
Do u know what was the maximum bet that you had to do in the testing?
Thanks
OMG !
-25.000? O0 :question:
This is madness ! :'(
Lets all hope that you made a mistake on your program :P
I am wondering where is WINNER3 ..... hahahhaa
No, there is no mistake, I just did not set any limits to see if it recovers, some systems do not recover even when there is no bet limit, this one at least recover if it can.
Only difference is that I limit bet so that it does not win more than 1 unit in a session. There is a big differnce in no-zero roulette, maybe some big bets should be somehow postponed after a concentration of hits on zero...
Are you sure that you made the program to make the calculation ONLY after the Winning spins??? :-\
It still needs a hit rate of 66%(not counting zero) to recover from losses,so...
bet = ceil(-session_balance/(1.5*loses-wins))
ceil = always round up, ceil(1.001)=ceil(1.1)=ceil(1.6)=2
session balance = we start with 0, as we lose it is negative, therefore minus in formula
loses = number of loses in a session
wins = number of wins in a session
reset session on balance greater or equal zero
do number of loses and wins reset to zero after a hit, or only at the session reset?
Reseting loses and wins counts after a hit:
Quote from: mr.ore on Aug 11, 02:09 PM 2011
Fire in the hole :P
--Could play low/en prison table/and 19-24 instead...
Just another two dozens progression, just as expected. or maybe I have something wrong...
do number of loses and wins reset to zero after a hit, or only at the session reset?
ONLY at the session reset ( after any new + )
But the calculation must be done ONLY when we have a winning spin and not on all spins !
Did u do this one correct???
Only after a hit? I will look into it, because I always recalculate.
Do you limit bet size so that you won't win more than one unit in a session?
Only after a hit? I will look into it, because I always recalculate.
YES only after a HIT !
Do you limit bet size so that you won't win more than one unit in a session?
NO he didn t say anything like that ! He said to follow the formula
There is no need to limit bet size.You are starting each session with a specific bankroll.You count wins and losses and you recalculate each bet after only wins.When you are in new bankroll high you reset wins and losses and start over.
the way iv been testing is you only calculate after a winning bet is that correct?
so u cud have 4 losing bets at the same stake b4 you get that win? is that the way you play it???
reseting wins and loses count after every hit is VITAL for your system, look:
a) wiesbaden with reset
[attach=1]
b) wiesbaden without reset
[attach=2]
hope my formula is allright...
Mr ore I can see that You are ON FIREEEEEEE O0 !
But we must 1st test the system as HE explained !!!!
If its a loser or if its NOT playable, then we can move on modifications ! ;)
HOW can we reset wins and loses count after every hit??? LoL
If we don t have a HIT we can NOT make a calculation !
Every formula calculation must be done ONLY after a HIT-WIN
Quote from: mr.ore on Aug 11, 02:44 PM 2011
reseting wins and loses count after every hit is VITAL for your system, look:
a) wiesbaden with reset
[attach=1]
b) wiesbaden without reset
[attach=2]
hope my formula is allright...
Something is missing here...if you reset after each hit that means you flatbet cause till first hit our bet is always 1 unit so what's the point?Mr. Ore all the graphs are based on the same spinfile right?
"Original" version without reseting wins and loses after every hit and without limiting bet size.
Something is missing here...if you reset after each hit that means you flatbet cause till first hit our bet is always 1 unit so what's the point?
EXACTLY xxlakis... this is what I am trying to sayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Quote
Something is missing here...if you reset after each hit that means you flatbet cause till first hit our bet is always 1 unit so what's the point?Mr. Ore all the graphs are based on the same spinfile right?
We do not reset session, only wins = 0, loses = 0, but bet size and balance count remains. It's a "partial" reset ;D
NOOOOOOOOOO mr . ore!!!
the betting size must also be reset to 1 and 1 chips after a new +
Spins are based on rng, if not said otherwise. Attachments with wbXXXXXX.png are from wiesbaden (wb) and are always same set of spins.
Ok mr.ore really thanks for the huge effort but could we have the system programed as the author explains?
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Aug 11, 02:55 PM 2011
NOOOOOOOOOO mr . ore!!!
the betting size must also be reset to 1 and 1 chips !
To explain my implemntation and understanding of a system, some code might be useful:
class Winner3 : public RouletteSystem {
protected:
int m_Balance;
int m_Bet;
int m_BetID;
int m_Loses;
int m_Wins;
public:
virtual void reset(){
m_Balance = 0;
m_Bet = 1;
m_Loses = 0;
m_Wins = 0;
}
virtual void placeBets(){
//if (false) // UNcomment to disable bet size limiting
if (m_Balance + m_Bet > 1) {
m_Bet = -m_Balance + 1;
}
if (m_Bet < 1)
m_Bet = 1;
m_BetID = bet_event(event::_or(event::dozen(0), event::dozen(1)),m_Bet,&m_Balance);
}
virtual void evaluateBets(){
if (m_Balance >= 1) {
reset();
} else {
bool bWon = false;
if (bet_won(m_BetID)) {
m_Wins++;
bWon = true;
double divisor = double(1.5*m_Loses-m_Wins);
if (divisor <= 0.0) { // avoid division by zero
m_Bet = 1;
} else {
m_Bet = ceil(-m_Balance/divisor);
}
}
if (bet_lost(m_BetID)) {
m_Loses++;
}
if (bWon) {
m_Wins = m_Loses = 0; // comment to disable
}
}
}
};
"author" version does not work well, it fails if a series of LLLWLLLLWLLLLWWLLLLLWLWLLLLWW... is too long and recovers on a concentration of wins, but before that bets are too big
ok i see thanks. althought the Ls and Ws that you posted above can t happen because we are not speaking about Ecs but about 2 covered dozens.But I can understand that a bad fluxuation may arrive.
Let s see if Ophis has the same results when and if he will make his program
thanks
Thank You all for the cooperation, whenever we reach equality or win a chip the calculation of the bet must be restarted.
mr.ore you can try to change in your simulation the fixed number 1,5 with the fixed number 1,4 or 1,3 getting even more rapid recoveries.
Thanks to everyone 's attention.
"No one can possibly win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn't looking." â€" Albert Einstein
I proved him wrong ... ::)
Winner3
Thanks mr.ore you saved me some time, I don't think another programmer will make the results any better unless mr.ore did it wrong? did he?
Question:
Do we reset calculation (number of W and L) after every new +?
YES
It seems like WINNER3 has abandon us ... lol
I guess it s one of all systems that are using a money managment plan and is losing.
You can play as FLAT_INO intimated and which is also similar to my idea in Notepad:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/the-winning-thought/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/the-winning-thought/)
and play alternatively by betting the EC and LINE to cover 2 dozens...
Rules (slightly different to "winning thought")
====
Each spin play LOW (1-18) and LINE (19-24) - well those are ones I prefer!
The line bet is always HALF the amount of the low bet.
Start with 1u on EC + 0.5u on LINE.
If LOSE A SPIN then continue play at SAME LEVEL until a HIT - then if behind increase EC by 1u and LINE by 0.5
If WIN A SPIN and level or ahead then decrease to starting level (1u on EC + 0.5u on LINE)
If WIN A SPIN and not level or ahead continue at SAME LEVEL.
====
Played Wiesbaden session:
382 spins. +123.5
Highest bet 9uLOW + 4.5uLINE
Real numbers. Played on single 0 with le partage
Maybe can be tweaked/adjusted by adapting the formula?
I would also like winner3 to come back on and provide a spin session example for clarity.
A.
I tested the system exactly as winner3 posted and explained.
The bets can NOT go so hight as in the mr.ore testing.
We are betting the 2/3 of the numbers in every bet so the winning spins will always be more then the losing spins.
In this example the bets never got higher of betting 3 chips on each dozen:
LLLLWLLWWLWLLLWLWWWLWWLWW =13 L and 12 W .
The result is only -20 chips in the end
Please mr.ore can you run the same example in your Program to see if your results are the same?
Thank you
Winner3 has included in his FORMULA everything:
The analogy of the winning spins and the losing spins + the losses that will come from the ZERO. + the losing chips of the BR in every spin
And all this analogy is comming from the betting of the 2/3 of the table in every spin...
The bets can not go so high as mr .ore results of testing....
I would accept to have a very long string of play in some fluxuations till the recovery(and the end of the session) BUT this DOWNS can not happen with this system.
I can also accept the graph in the end of let s say 30.000 spins to be MINUS but this minus will be happen VERYYYYY slow.....we can t have those GRAND canyon Downs.....
Roulette is Random ... but its random between some paramiters....and the paramiters are comming from the maths. So You can t bet the 2/3 of the numners and have :
LLLLWLLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLLLWLLWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLW etc.
In the Roulette extreme the graph of this examle on Dozens would be something like:
Dozen 1 Dozen 2 Dozen 3
3 4 44 !!!!!!!!!! This can t happen !
...
so i think we should find a right programmer and test it properly....
Thank you
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Aug 12, 10:56 AM 2011
Winner3 has included in his FORMULA everything:
The analogy of the winning spins and the losing spins + the losses that will come from the ZERO. + the losing chips of the BR in every spin
And all this analogy is comming from the betting of the 2/3 of the table in every spin...
The bets can not go so high as mr .ore results of testing....
I would accept to have a very long string of play in some fluxuations till the recovery(and the end of the session) BUT this DOWNS can not happen with this system.
I can also accept the graph in the end of let s say 30.000 spins to be MINUS but this minus will be happen VERYYYYY slow.....we can t have those GRAND canyon Downs.....
Roulette is Random ... but its random between some paramiters....and the paramiters are comming from the maths. So You can t bet the 2/3 of the numners and have :
LLLLWLLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLWLLLLLLLWLLWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLW etc.
In the Roulette extreme the graph of this examle on Dozens would be something like:
Dozen 1 Dozen 2 Dozen 3
3 4 44 !!!!!!!!!! This can t happen !
...
so i think we should find a right programmer and test it properly....
Thank you
Very well said, I thought those graphs looked funny. Can you post the formula again, very clearly?
It was an example, not real session, just that if loses dominates over a LONG period of time, it loses. There were three dots after that, and it was a bad example not to be taken literaly. It would probably recoup nice on that sequence...
mr ore I also didn t take ur example leteraly... i am just sayng !!!
just now i found a HELL session from real spins.....till now i have only 23 wins and 27 losses !!! and don t forget I am betting 2 dozens !!! the 2/3 of the numbers....
Now the down is -154 chips.
1st dozen 2nd dozen 3d dozen
29 ! 14 15
It supposed that as I will continue playing the ballance will come....so this is a system that needs patience and IF its a winner in some cases it will tale a LOTTTT of spins....
Oh and the maximum bet pes dozens is 9 chips on each.
This system is higly chaotic - I have found a session from hell, where if you remove ONE FIRST NUMBER, then no crazy drawdown happens. ONE loss made a difference, wow. Because one loss, system have drawdown -16783 units 232 spins later. That's a chaos!
hell img, just attached bad img last post and can't edit attachment anymore
sorry i can t understand you mr ore......
Are you testing now with the correct version of the winner3 system? or what?? ???
hell sequence:
[reveal]
LLLWWLLLLWLWWWWLLLWLWLWWWWLWLWWLWLWLLWWLWWWWLWWWLWWLWLWLWWLLLLLLWWWLLWWWWLWLWLLWLWWWLLWWWWWLLLLLWWWLWWWWLWWLWWWWLWWWWLLWLWLWWWLLWWWWWWWLWWWLWLWLLWWWLWWWLLLLWWWLLLWWWWWLLWWLWWLWLWLWWWLLWLLWLWLWWWWWLWLWLLLWWWLWWWWLWWLWWWWLLLWLWLWLLLWLWWLWWWWWLWWWWWWLWLLWWLWLWWWLLLWWWLWLWWWWLWLWWLWLLWLWWLWWLWWLWL
[/reveal]
remove first L in sequence above and it is heaven
because that one L causes system not to recover and reset session, and then another drawdown kills it because of exponential growth of bet size
mabye some tuning of that constant 1.5 would help
yes correct version
OK please listen to me for 1 last time....please.
when we are in a new + ,then we reset all !
when we have a winning spin BUT we are still down we do not reset anything !!!!
The winning spins must become +1 and the total loss must become -the winning chips of the spin.....and ofcource the losing spins must remain same because we WON....
And when we have a losing spin.....THE BETS REMAIN the same as in the previous spin !
hell session dump:
bet: (1,1,0)
33
L
balance: -2
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
29
L
balance: -4
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
29
L
balance: -6
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
24
W, bet = (--5/(1.5*3-1)=(--5/3.500) = 2
balance: -5
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
7
W, bet = (--3/(1.5*3-2)=(--3/2.500) = 2
balance: -3
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
25
L
balance: -7
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
28
L
balance: -11
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
34
L
balance: -15
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
34
L
balance: -19
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
21
W, bet = (--17/(1.5*7-3)=(--17/7.500) = 3
balance: -17
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
33
L
balance: -23
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
5
W, bet = (--20/(1.5*8-4)=(--20/8.000) = 3
balance: -20
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
3
W, bet = (--17/(1.5*8-5)=(--17/7.000) = 3
balance: -17
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
2
W, bet = (--14/(1.5*8-6)=(--14/6.000) = 3
balance: -14
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
11
W, bet = (--11/(1.5*8-7)=(--11/5.000) = 3
balance: -11
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
33
L
balance: -17
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
28
L
balance: -23
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
36
L
balance: -29
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
22
W, bet = (--26/(1.5*11-8)=(--26/8.500) = 4
balance: -26
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
32
L
balance: -34
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
1
W, bet = (--30/(1.5*12-9)=(--30/9.000) = 4
balance: -30
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
27
L
balance: -38
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
8
W, bet = (--34/(1.5*13-10)=(--34/9.500) = 4
balance: -34
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
15
W, bet = (--30/(1.5*13-11)=(--30/8.500) = 4
balance: -30
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
19
W, bet = (--26/(1.5*13-12)=(--26/7.500) = 4
balance: -26
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
22
W, bet = (--22/(1.5*13-13)=(--22/6.500) = 4
balance: -22
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
25
L
balance: -30
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
2
W, bet = (--26/(1.5*14-14)=(--26/7.000) = 4
balance: -26
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
33
L
balance: -34
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
6
W, bet = (--30/(1.5*15-15)=(--30/7.500) = 4
balance: -30
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
17
W, bet = (--26/(1.5*15-16)=(--26/6.500) = 4
balance: -26
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
26
L
balance: -34
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
16
W, bet = (--30/(1.5*16-17)=(--30/7.000) = 5
balance: -30
-------
bet: (5,5,0)
30
L
balance: -40
-------
bet: (5,5,0)
21
W, bet = (--35/(1.5*17-18)=(--35/7.500) = 5
balance: -35
-------
bet: (5,5,0)
25
L
balance: -45
-------
bet: (5,5,0)
31
L
balance: -55
-------
bet: (5,5,0)
14
W, bet = (--50/(1.5*19-19)=(--50/9.500) = 6
balance: -50
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
6
W, bet = (--44/(1.5*19-20)=(--44/8.500) = 6
balance: -44
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
33
L
balance: -56
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
9
W, bet = (--50/(1.5*20-21)=(--50/9.000) = 6
balance: -50
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
19
W, bet = (--44/(1.5*20-22)=(--44/8.000) = 6
balance: -44
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
18
W, bet = (--38/(1.5*20-23)=(--38/7.000) = 6
balance: -38
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
3
W, bet = (--32/(1.5*20-24)=(--32/6.000) = 6
balance: -32
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
29
L
balance: -44
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
22
W, bet = (--38/(1.5*21-25)=(--38/6.500) = 6
balance: -38
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
16
W, bet = (--32/(1.5*21-26)=(--32/5.500) = 6
balance: -32
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
3
W, bet = (--26/(1.5*21-27)=(--26/4.500) = 6
balance: -26
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
33
L
balance: -38
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
11
W, bet = (--32/(1.5*22-28)=(--32/5.000) = 7
balance: -32
-------
bet: (7,7,0)
19
W, bet = (--25/(1.5*22-29)=(--25/4.000) = 7
balance: -25
-------
bet: (7,7,0)
26
L
balance: -39
-------
bet: (7,7,0)
12
W, bet = (--32/(1.5*23-30)=(--32/4.500) = 8
balance: -32
-------
bet: (8,8,0)
30
L
balance: -48
-------
bet: (8,8,0)
24
W, bet = (--40/(1.5*24-31)=(--40/5.000) = 8
balance: -40
-------
bet: (8,8,0)
32
L
balance: -56
-------
bet: (8,8,0)
18
W, bet = (--48/(1.5*25-32)=(--48/5.500) = 9
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2
W, bet = (--39/(1.5*25-33)=(--39/4.500) = 9
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28
L
balance: -57
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31
L
balance: -75
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bet: (9,9,0)
0
L
balance: -93
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bet: (9,9,0)
31
L
balance: -111
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bet: (9,9,0)
33
L
balance: -129
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bet: (9,9,0)
30
L
balance: -147
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bet: (9,9,0)
2
W, bet = (--138/(1.5*31-34)=(--138/12.500) = 12
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bet: (12,12,0)
18
W, bet = (--126/(1.5*31-35)=(--126/11.500) = 11
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bet: (11,11,0)
3
W, bet = (--115/(1.5*31-36)=(--115/10.500) = 11
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bet: (11,11,0)
32
L
balance: -137
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bet: (11,11,0)
35
L
balance: -159
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bet: (11,11,0)
7
W, bet = (--148/(1.5*33-37)=(--148/12.500) = 12
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bet: (12,12,0)
11
W, bet = (--136/(1.5*33-38)=(--136/11.500) = 12
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bet: (12,12,0)
10
W, bet = (--124/(1.5*33-39)=(--124/10.500) = 12
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bet: (12,12,0)
10
W, bet = (--112/(1.5*33-40)=(--112/9.500) = 12
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bet: (12,12,0)
34
L
balance: -136
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bet: (12,12,0)
13
W, bet = (--124/(1.5*34-41)=(--124/10.000) = 13
balance: -124
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bet: (13,13,0)
26
L
balance: -150
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bet: (13,13,0)
22
W, bet = (--137/(1.5*35-42)=(--137/10.500) = 14
balance: -137
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bet: (14,14,0)
30
L
balance: -165
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bet: (14,14,0)
28
L
balance: -193
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bet: (14,14,0)
11
W, bet = (--179/(1.5*37-43)=(--179/12.500) = 15
balance: -179
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bet: (15,15,0)
0
L
balance: -209
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bet: (15,15,0)
22
W, bet = (--194/(1.5*38-44)=(--194/13.000) = 15
balance: -194
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bet: (15,15,0)
20
W, bet = (--179/(1.5*38-45)=(--179/12.000) = 15
balance: -179
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bet: (15,15,0)
13
W, bet = (--164/(1.5*38-46)=(--164/11.000) = 15
balance: -164
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bet: (15,15,0)
25
L
balance: -194
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bet: (15,15,0)
27
L
balance: -224
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bet: (15,15,0)
9
W, bet = (--209/(1.5*40-47)=(--209/13.000) = 17
balance: -209
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bet: (17,17,0)
13
W, bet = (--192/(1.5*40-48)=(--192/12.000) = 16
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bet: (16,16,0)
21
W, bet = (--176/(1.5*40-49)=(--176/11.000) = 16
balance: -176
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bet: (16,16,0)
24
W, bet = (--160/(1.5*40-50)=(--160/10.000) = 16
balance: -160
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bet: (16,16,0)
10
W, bet = (--144/(1.5*40-51)=(--144/9.000) = 16
balance: -144
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bet: (16,16,0)
25
L
balance: -176
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bet: (16,16,0)
28
L
balance: -208
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bet: (16,16,0)
28
L
balance: -240
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bet: (16,16,0)
29
L
balance: -272
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bet: (16,16,0)
29
L
balance: -304
-------
bet: (16,16,0)
10
W, bet = (--288/(1.5*45-52)=(--288/15.500) = 19
balance: -288
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bet: (19,19,0)
9
W, bet = (--269/(1.5*45-53)=(--269/14.500) = 19
balance: -269
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bet: (19,19,0)
12
W, bet = (--250/(1.5*45-54)=(--250/13.500) = 19
balance: -250
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bet: (19,19,0)
36
L
balance: -288
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bet: (19,19,0)
10
W, bet = (--269/(1.5*46-55)=(--269/14.000) = 20
balance: -269
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bet: (20,20,0)
5
W, bet = (--249/(1.5*46-56)=(--249/13.000) = 20
balance: -249
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bet: (20,20,0)
4
W, bet = (--229/(1.5*46-57)=(--229/12.000) = 20
balance: -229
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bet: (20,20,0)
19
W, bet = (--209/(1.5*46-58)=(--209/11.000) = 19
balance: -209
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bet: (19,19,0)
35
L
balance: -247
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bet: (19,19,0)
4
W, bet = (--228/(1.5*47-59)=(--228/11.500) = 20
balance: -228
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bet: (20,20,0)
8
W, bet = (--208/(1.5*47-60)=(--208/10.500) = 20
balance: -208
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bet: (20,20,0)
30
L
balance: -248
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bet: (20,20,0)
22
W, bet = (--228/(1.5*48-61)=(--228/11.000) = 21
balance: -228
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bet: (21,21,0)
23
W, bet = (--207/(1.5*48-62)=(--207/10.000) = 21
balance: -207
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bet: (21,21,0)
11
W, bet = (--186/(1.5*48-63)=(--186/9.000) = 21
balance: -186
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bet: (21,21,0)
4
W, bet = (--165/(1.5*48-64)=(--165/8.000) = 21
balance: -165
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bet: (21,21,0)
35
L
balance: -207
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bet: (21,21,0)
5
W, bet = (--186/(1.5*49-65)=(--186/8.500) = 22
balance: -186
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bet: (22,22,0)
13
W, bet = (--164/(1.5*49-66)=(--164/7.500) = 22
balance: -164
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bet: (22,22,0)
14
W, bet = (--142/(1.5*49-67)=(--142/6.500) = 22
balance: -142
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bet: (22,22,0)
20
W, bet = (--120/(1.5*49-68)=(--120/5.500) = 22
balance: -120
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bet: (22,22,0)
25
L
balance: -164
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bet: (22,22,0)
30
L
balance: -208
-------
bet: (22,22,0)
23
W, bet = (--186/(1.5*51-69)=(--186/7.500) = 25
balance: -186
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bet: (25,25,0)
31
L
balance: -236
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bet: (25,25,0)
1
W, bet = (--211/(1.5*52-70)=(--211/8.000) = 27
balance: -211
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bet: (27,27,0)
28
L
balance: -265
-------
bet: (27,27,0)
8
W, bet = (--238/(1.5*53-71)=(--238/8.500) = 28
balance: -238
-------
bet: (28,28,0)
3
W, bet = (--210/(1.5*53-72)=(--210/7.500) = 28
balance: -210
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bet: (28,28,0)
7
W, bet = (--182/(1.5*53-73)=(--182/6.500) = 28
balance: -182
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bet: (28,28,0)
25
L
balance: -238
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bet: (28,28,0)
0
L
balance: -294
-------
bet: (28,28,0)
18
W, bet = (--266/(1.5*55-74)=(--266/8.500) = 32
balance: -266
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bet: (32,32,0)
22
W, bet = (--234/(1.5*55-75)=(--234/7.500) = 32
balance: -234
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bet: (32,32,0)
9
W, bet = (--202/(1.5*55-76)=(--202/6.500) = 32
balance: -202
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bet: (32,32,0)
24
W, bet = (--170/(1.5*55-77)=(--170/5.500) = 31
balance: -170
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bet: (31,31,0)
3
W, bet = (--139/(1.5*55-78)=(--139/4.500) = 31
balance: -139
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bet: (31,31,0)
6
W, bet = (--108/(1.5*55-79)=(--108/3.500) = 31
balance: -108
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bet: (31,31,0)
15
W, bet = (--77/(1.5*55-80)=(--77/2.500) = 31
balance: -77
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bet: (31,31,0)
26
L
balance: -139
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bet: (31,31,0)
8
W, bet = (--108/(1.5*56-81)=(--108/3.000) = 36
balance: -108
-------
bet: (36,36,0)
3
W, bet = (--72/(1.5*56-82)=(--72/2.000) = 36
balance: -72
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bet: (36,36,0)
1
W, bet = (--36/(1.5*56-83)=(--36/1.000) = 36
balance: -36
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bet: (36,36,0)
34
L
balance: -108
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bet: (36,36,0)
7
W, bet = (--72/(1.5*57-84)=(--72/1.500) = 48
balance: -72
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bet: (48,48,0)
30
L
balance: -168
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bet: (48,48,0)
3
W, bet = (--120/(1.5*58-85)=(--120/2.000) = 60
balance: -120
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bet: (60,60,0)
34
L
balance: -240
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bet: (60,60,0)
33
L
balance: -360
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bet: (60,60,0)
9
W, bet = (--300/(1.5*60-86)=(--300/4.000) = 75
balance: -300
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bet: (75,75,0)
6
W, bet = (--225/(1.5*60-87)=(--225/3.000) = 75
balance: -225
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bet: (75,75,0)
20
W, bet = (--150/(1.5*60-88)=(--150/2.000) = 75
balance: -150
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bet: (75,75,0)
26
L
balance: -300
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bet: (75,75,0)
14
W, bet = (--225/(1.5*61-89)=(--225/2.500) = 90
balance: -225
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bet: (90,90,0)
3
W, bet = (--135/(1.5*61-90)=(--135/1.500) = 90
balance: -135
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bet: (90,90,0)
15
W, bet = (--45/(1.5*61-91)=(--45/0.500) = 90
balance: -45
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bet: (90,90,0)
0
L
balance: -225
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bet: (90,90,0)
27
L
balance: -405
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bet: (90,90,0)
26
L
balance: -585
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bet: (90,90,0)
32
L
balance: -765
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bet: (90,90,0)
5
W, bet = (--675/(1.5*65-92)=(--675/5.500) = 123
balance: -675
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bet: (123,123,0)
15
W, bet = (--552/(1.5*65-93)=(--552/4.500) = 123
balance: -552
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bet: (123,123,0)
4
W, bet = (--429/(1.5*65-94)=(--429/3.500) = 123
balance: -429
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bet: (123,123,0)
35
L
balance: -675
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bet: (123,123,0)
34
L
balance: -921
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bet: (123,123,0)
28
L
balance: -1167
-------
bet: (123,123,0)
6
W, bet = (--1044/(1.5*68-95)=(--1044/7.000) = 150
balance: -1044
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bet: (150,150,0)
11
W, bet = (--894/(1.5*68-96)=(--894/6.000) = 149
balance: -894
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bet: (149,149,0)
23
W, bet = (--745/(1.5*68-97)=(--745/5.000) = 149
balance: -745
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bet: (149,149,0)
7
W, bet = (--596/(1.5*68-98)=(--596/4.000) = 149
balance: -596
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bet: (149,149,0)
4
W, bet = (--447/(1.5*68-99)=(--447/3.000) = 149
balance: -447
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bet: (149,149,0)
0
L
balance: -745
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bet: (149,149,0)
36
L
balance: -1043
-------
bet: (149,149,0)
20
W, bet = (--894/(1.5*70-100)=(--894/5.000) = 179
balance: -894
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bet: (179,179,0)
5
W, bet = (--715/(1.5*70-101)=(--715/4.000) = 179
balance: -715
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bet: (179,179,0)
30
L
balance: -1073
-------
bet: (179,179,0)
18
W, bet = (--894/(1.5*71-102)=(--894/4.500) = 199
balance: -894
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bet: (199,199,0)
17
W, bet = (--695/(1.5*71-103)=(--695/3.500) = 199
balance: -695
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bet: (199,199,0)
31
L
balance: -1093
-------
bet: (199,199,0)
18
W, bet = (--894/(1.5*72-104)=(--894/4.000) = 224
balance: -894
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bet: (224,224,0)
29
L
balance: -1342
-------
bet: (224,224,0)
5
W, bet = (--1118/(1.5*73-105)=(--1118/4.500) = 249
balance: -1118
-------
bet: (249,249,0)
33
L
balance: -1616
-------
bet: (249,249,0)
15
W, bet = (--1367/(1.5*74-106)=(--1367/5.000) = 274
balance: -1367
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bet: (274,274,0)
24
W, bet = (--1093/(1.5*74-107)=(--1093/4.000) = 274
balance: -1093
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bet: (274,274,0)
2
W, bet = (--819/(1.5*74-108)=(--819/3.000) = 273
balance: -819
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bet: (273,273,0)
35
L
balance: -1365
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bet: (273,273,0)
27
L
balance: -1911
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bet: (273,273,0)
21
W, bet = (--1638/(1.5*76-109)=(--1638/5.000) = 328
balance: -1638
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bet: (328,328,0)
36
L
balance: -2294
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bet: (328,328,0)
31
L
balance: -2950
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bet: (328,328,0)
9
W, bet = (--2622/(1.5*78-110)=(--2622/7.000) = 375
balance: -2622
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bet: (375,375,0)
25
L
balance: -3372
-------
bet: (375,375,0)
23
W, bet = (--2997/(1.5*79-111)=(--2997/7.500) = 400
balance: -2997
-------
bet: (400,400,0)
32
L
balance: -3797
-------
bet: (400,400,0)
8
W, bet = (--3397/(1.5*80-112)=(--3397/8.000) = 425
balance: -3397
-------
bet: (425,425,0)
22
W, bet = (--2972/(1.5*80-113)=(--2972/7.000) = 425
balance: -2972
-------
bet: (425,425,0)
6
W, bet = (--2547/(1.5*80-114)=(--2547/6.000) = 425
balance: -2547
-------
bet: (425,425,0)
18
W, bet = (--2122/(1.5*80-115)=(--2122/5.000) = 425
balance: -2122
-------
bet: (425,425,0)
12
W, bet = (--1697/(1.5*80-116)=(--1697/4.000) = 425
balance: -1697
-------
bet: (425,425,0)
28
L
balance: -2547
-------
bet: (425,425,0)
15
W, bet = (--2122/(1.5*81-117)=(--2122/4.500) = 472
balance: -2122
-------
bet: (472,472,0)
31
L
balance: -3066
-------
bet: (472,472,0)
11
W, bet = (--2594/(1.5*82-118)=(--2594/5.000) = 519
balance: -2594
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bet: (519,519,0)
31
L
balance: -3632
-------
bet: (519,519,0)
27
L
balance: -4670
-------
bet: (519,519,0)
26
L
balance: -5708
-------
bet: (519,519,0)
7
W, bet = (--5189/(1.5*85-119)=(--5189/8.500) = 611
balance: -5189
-------
bet: (611,611,0)
5
W, bet = (--4578/(1.5*85-120)=(--4578/7.500) = 611
balance: -4578
-------
bet: (611,611,0)
16
W, bet = (--3967/(1.5*85-121)=(--3967/6.500) = 611
balance: -3967
-------
bet: (611,611,0)
25
L
balance: -5189
-------
bet: (611,611,0)
7
W, bet = (--4578/(1.5*86-122)=(--4578/7.000) = 654
balance: -4578
-------
bet: (654,654,0)
16
W, bet = (--3924/(1.5*86-123)=(--3924/6.000) = 654
balance: -3924
-------
bet: (654,654,0)
23
W, bet = (--3270/(1.5*86-124)=(--3270/5.000) = 654
balance: -3270
-------
bet: (654,654,0)
17
W, bet = (--2616/(1.5*86-125)=(--2616/4.000) = 654
balance: -2616
-------
bet: (654,654,0)
30
L
balance: -3924
-------
bet: (654,654,0)
11
W, bet = (--3270/(1.5*87-126)=(--3270/4.500) = 727
balance: -3270
-------
bet: (727,727,0)
2
W, bet = (--2543/(1.5*87-127)=(--2543/3.500) = 727
balance: -2543
-------
bet: (727,727,0)
33
L
balance: -3997
-------
bet: (727,727,0)
22
W, bet = (--3270/(1.5*88-128)=(--3270/4.000) = 818
balance: -3270
-------
bet: (818,818,0)
4
W, bet = (--2452/(1.5*88-129)=(--2452/3.000) = 818
balance: -2452
-------
bet: (818,818,0)
23
W, bet = (--1634/(1.5*88-130)=(--1634/2.000) = 817
balance: -1634
-------
bet: (817,817,0)
10
W, bet = (--817/(1.5*88-131)=(--817/1.000) = 817
balance: -817
-------
bet: (817,817,0)
0
L
balance: -2451
-------
bet: (817,817,0)
30
L
balance: -4085
-------
bet: (817,817,0)
32
L
balance: -5719
-------
bet: (817,817,0)
24
W, bet = (--4902/(1.5*91-132)=(--4902/4.500) = 1090
balance: -4902
-------
bet: (1090,1090,0)
33
L
balance: -7082
-------
bet: (1090,1090,0)
6
W, bet = (--5992/(1.5*92-133)=(--5992/5.000) = 1199
balance: -5992
-------
bet: (1199,1199,0)
0
L
balance: -8390
-------
bet: (1199,1199,0)
12
W, bet = (--7191/(1.5*93-134)=(--7191/5.500) = 1308
balance: -7191
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bet: (1308,1308,0)
30
L
balance: -9807
-------
bet: (1308,1308,0)
28
L
balance: -12423
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bet: (1308,1308,0)
0
L
balance: -15039
-------
bet: (1308,1308,0)
1
W, bet = (--13731/(1.5*96-135)=(--13731/9.000) = 1526
balance: -13731
-------
bet: (1526,1526,0)
26
L
balance: -16783
-------
bet: (1526,1526,0)
23
W, bet = (--15257/(1.5*97-136)=(--15257/9.500) = 1606
balance: -15257
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bet: (1606,1606,0)
21
W, bet = (--13651/(1.5*97-137)=(--13651/8.500) = 1606
balance: -13651
-------
bet: (1606,1606,0)
27
L
balance: -16863
-------
bet: (1606,1606,0)
10
W, bet = (--15257/(1.5*98-138)=(--15257/9.000) = 1696
balance: -15257
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bet: (1696,1696,0)
7
W, bet = (--13561/(1.5*98-139)=(--13561/8.000) = 1696
balance: -13561
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bet: (1696,1696,0)
6
W, bet = (--11865/(1.5*98-140)=(--11865/7.000) = 1695
balance: -11865
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bet: (1695,1695,0)
14
W, bet = (--10170/(1.5*98-141)=(--10170/6.000) = 1695
balance: -10170
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bet: (1695,1695,0)
21
W, bet = (--8475/(1.5*98-142)=(--8475/5.000) = 1695
balance: -8475
-------
bet: (1695,1695,0)
26
L
balance: -11865
-------
bet: (1695,1695,0)
12
W, bet = (--10170/(1.5*99-143)=(--10170/5.500) = 1850
balance: -10170
-------
bet: (1850,1850,0)
2
W, bet = (--8320/(1.5*99-144)=(--8320/4.500) = 1849
balance: -8320
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bet: (1849,1849,0)
24
W, bet = (--6471/(1.5*99-145)=(--6471/3.500) = 1849
balance: -6471
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bet: (1849,1849,0)
1
W, bet = (--4622/(1.5*99-146)=(--4622/2.500) = 1849
balance: -4622
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bet: (1849,1849,0)
16
W, bet = (--2773/(1.5*99-147)=(--2773/1.500) = 1849
balance: -2773
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bet: (1849,1849,0)
11
W, bet = (--924/(1.5*99-148)=(--924/0.500) = 1848
balance: -924
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bet: (1848,1848,0)
13
W - reset
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bet: (1,1,0)
4
W - reset
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bet: (1,1,0)
7
W - reset
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bet: (1,1,0)
36
L
balance: -2
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
18
W, bet = (--1/(1.5*1-1)=(--1/0.500) = 2
balance: -1
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
35
L
balance: -5
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
29
L
balance: -9
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bet: (2,2,0)
13
W, bet = (--7/(1.5*3-2)=(--7/2.500) = 3
balance: -7
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bet: (3,3,0)
21
W, bet = (--4/(1.5*3-3)=(--4/1.500) = 3
balance: -4
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
31
L
balance: -10
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
16
W, bet = (--7/(1.5*4-4)=(--7/2.000) = 4
balance: -7
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
33
L
balance: -15
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
11
W, bet = (--11/(1.5*5-5)=(--11/2.500) = 5
balance: -11
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bet: (5,5,0)
1
W, bet = (--6/(1.5*5-6)=(--6/1.500) = 4
balance: -6
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
17
W, bet = (--2/(1.5*5-7)=(--2/0.500) = 4
balance: -2
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
34
L
balance: -10
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
32
L
balance: -18
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
25
L
balance: -26
-------
bet: (4,4,0)
4
W, bet = (--22/(1.5*8-8)=(--22/4.000) = 6
balance: -22
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
2
W, bet = (--16/(1.5*8-9)=(--16/3.000) = 6
balance: -16
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
8
W, bet = (--10/(1.5*8-10)=(--10/2.000) = 5
balance: -10
-------
bet: (5,5,0)
36
L
balance: -20
-------
bet: (5,5,0)
5
W, bet = (--15/(1.5*9-11)=(--15/2.500) = 6
balance: -15
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
29
L
balance: -27
-------
bet: (6,6,0)
12
W, bet = (--21/(1.5*10-12)=(--21/3.000) = 7
balance: -21
-------
bet: (7,7,0)
21
W, bet = (--14/(1.5*10-13)=(--14/2.000) = 7
balance: -14
-------
bet: (7,7,0)
10
W, bet = (--7/(1.5*10-14)=(--7/1.000) = 7
balance: -7
-------
bet: (7,7,0)
23
W, bet = 1
balance: 0
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
17
W - reset
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
29
L
balance: -2
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
2
W, bet = (--1/(1.5*1-1)=(--1/0.500) = 2
balance: -1
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
28
L
balance: -5
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
13
W, bet = (--3/(1.5*2-2)=(--3/1.000) = 3
balance: -3
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
2
W, bet = 1
balance: 0
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
3
W - reset
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
30
L
balance: -2
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
10
W, bet = (--1/(1.5*1-1)=(--1/0.500) = 2
balance: -1
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
23
W - reset
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
31
L
balance: -2
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
25
L
balance: -4
-------
bet: (1,1,0)
20
W, bet = (--3/(1.5*2-1)=(--3/2.000) = 2
balance: -3
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
33
L
balance: -7
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
1
W, bet = (--5/(1.5*3-2)=(--5/2.500) = 2
balance: -5
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
14
W, bet = (--3/(1.5*3-3)=(--3/1.500) = 2
balance: -3
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
28
L
balance: -7
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
12
W, bet = (--5/(1.5*4-4)=(--5/2.000) = 3
balance: -5
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
23
W, bet = (--2/(1.5*4-5)=(--2/1.000) = 2
balance: -2
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
28
L
balance: -6
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
4
W, bet = (--4/(1.5*5-6)=(--4/1.500) = 3
balance: -4
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
12
W, bet = (--1/(1.5*5-7)=(--1/0.500) = 2
balance: -1
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
34
L
balance: -5
-------
bet: (2,2,0)
6
W, bet = (--3/(1.5*6-8)=(--3/1.000) = 3
balance: -3
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
34
L
balance: -9
-------
bet: (3,3,0)
dump
you are not confirming if you have the program correct according to the rules i posted above.
so until you have the program made correctly or tell that you have followed the rules, we can t take any of the tests sirious.
I confirm it to be original version, winning session does not become +1, but whatever positive. Reset if positive, but not if balance is back to zero, then it continues betting.
ok so if all correct then it s not a playable system ... right?
do you know why this doesn't work?
BECAUSE OF ZERO.
playing 2 dozens at a time does give you 63%-64% chance of hitting your desired numbers.
HOWEVER
when playing 2 dozens for every 1 units you win you lose 2 units.
you would need to play this system on a NO ZERO table to break even. or quit while you are ahead to make a profit.
with the zero included the house edge remains.
the casino advantage doesn't lie in the numbers but in the payouts. which will never change.
in order for this system to be any good
1. stop playing every spin
2. come up with a better progression.
you can try as many different rules as you like but until those 2 options are addressed, Mr. Ore is correct in his testing and winner3 has made a mistake.
Yes frost all the things you said are correct and are the same for every system.
But this is a big mistake :
or quit while you are ahead to make a profit.
when we play a system that can t win in the long run , then quiting when we are ahead won t change anything....because everytime you play it , the long run is comming......
It supposed that winner 3 has included the zero in his formula...
Anyway....
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Aug 12, 12:53 PM 2011
But this is a big mistake :
or quit while you are ahead to make a profit.
when we play a system that can t win in the long run , then quiting when we are ahead won t change anything....because everytime you play it , the long run is comming......
this is correct and this i already know. what i ment is when playing on a no zero table like bet voyager this is the only way to leave with a profit. quitting while you are ahead. playing for a long time means all things should in theory return back to how they started.
Oh OK....If you ment on a non zero wheel then ok.....
it s just that i am playing only in real casinos and I always have the zero :D
:D
but if they want to give you an advantage why not take it :P
So the WINNER3 member has abandon the forum after he posted the system.
That shows only 1 thing.
That he thought of a system that seemed to him that it will be a winner but he was lazy to test it and he invented this TITLE of the topic for giving a motive to the programmers to do the job for him...
If that s not the case then he is free to come here and speak to us more about his system.
link:://:.letstalkwinning.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=41378&t=41378 (link:://:.letstalkwinning.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=41378&t=41378) >> Hey guys, SORRY if I'm off topic but I'm trying to be a little covert about this. A) Is the method on THIS thread the SAME as the one in the link?
B) If not, does anybody have this method yet? Again, sorry for jumping on your thread.
Ken
Mr J
i am not a member of this forum and so cannot log in to check.
sorry
I did not even know that? So if you are not a member, you cant read anything at LTW? (the link)
Ken
Well the catchy title did work i guess...this kind of methods need really good bankroll...neady big patience and the profit doesn't deserve the time.For 2 dozens just try this one for example...+1 unit on lost dozen...-2 units on winner dozen and +1 both dozens if both lost.Whenever in new profit reset progression to 1/1...it always recoups but it could take you thousands of spins...well nobody is perfect i guess...
@ mr j. nope
@ xxlakis say that system again?
You start by betting 2 dozens 1 unit each.When one of 2 dozens hits you lower bet by 2 units and raise bet by 1 unit to the other dozen.If both dozens lose you raise bet by 1 unit for both.Whenever you are in new plus you reset bets.If your hit rate is 66% as it should you are winning,but in roulette nothing happens as it should usually so good luck with that...
Quote from: xxlakis on Aug 12, 02:48 PM 2011
You start by betting 2 dozens 1 unit each.When one of 2 dozens hits you lower bet by 2 units and raise bet by 1 unit to the other dozen.If both dozens lose you raise bet by 1 unit for both.Whenever you are in new plus you reset bets.If your hit rate is 66% as it should you are winning,but in roulette nothing happens as it should usually so good luck with that...
Rising bets on 2 doz.after lose,for 1 unit each.....you can never balance
or catch up the other dozen....but rising for 2 un....its another story.
Ok ppl. I have news !
I tested manually a session of 115 spins ( i didn t want to go further because the loss i expirienced was enough ! )
I was fighting on about 100 spins to come with a new profit and instead of that it was going more and more down !
it came to a place were i was - 415 spins. its the hell session that i was testing above.....maximum bet 30 chips on each dozen !!!!
46 , 29 , 35 was the hits on the dozen and ofcource on perpose i had the 1st one without bet.....
The system is extremely dangerous and you can lose a huge BR....and even if after all this it would recover it just doesn t worth it.....
so for me this system is over !
sorry which system? winner3's?
This system can be tweaked and there are worse systems. I will look into it just for fun. And now - good night, I'm drunk...
i think this is why you say that it can be improved. because you are drunk.... ;D
just kidding. :)
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 12, 04:03 PM 2011
Rising bets on 2 doz.after lose,for 1 unit each.....you can never balance
or catch up the other dozen....but rising for 2 un....its another story.
Been there done that...if you have decent hit rate you can win a lot with that but if you lose you go really down...somewhen it went about 30000 units down as i remember and it came back but it took thousands of spins so i droped it...well if you use it with a stop loss and a reasonable win target worths the trouble...
What if we use this with Eggleston Betting Method:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/eggleston-betting-method-2-0/msg39934/#msg39934 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/eggleston-betting-method-2-0/msg39934/#msg39934) ?
I remember a betting method for double dozens that I tested quite a bit with positive results. As I remember, I had a couple of bad runs close together and got to looking at something else and have never gotten back to it. I read about it on a system for sale. Don't recall the name of the system, but I do remember the bet method.
Start betting 1 unit on each of 2 dozens and/or 2 columns. Continue to reap a unit for every win. After the 1st loss, begin increasing each dozen by 1 unit per spin whether you win or lose. Stop when you reach -6 or less or +12 or more.
1-1 W = +1
1-1 W = +1
1-1 L = -2
2-2 W = 0
3-3 L = -6 Stop reached stop loss
1-1 L = -2
2-2 W = 0
3-3 W = +3
4-4 W = +7
5-5 L = -3
6-6 W = +3
7-7 W = +10
8-8 W = +18 Stop reach win target of +12 or more
In the above example, you could have only bet 2-2 instead of 8-8 on the last bet because that would have given you +12 exactly. If you had lost, you would be betting 3-3 instead of 9-9 which would help keep bets from escalating too much. Your choice.
1-1 W +1
1-1 W +1
1-1 L -2
2-2 L -6 Stop reached stop loss
That's it. Pretty simple, but can be very effective. Give it a try.
George
Quote from: xxlakis on Aug 12, 02:48 PM 2011
You start by betting 2 dozens 1 unit each.When one of 2 dozens hits you lower bet by 2 units and raise bet by 1 unit to the other dozen.If both dozens lose you raise bet by 1 unit for both.Whenever you are in new plus you reset bets.If your hit rate is 66% as it should you are winning,but in roulette nothing happens as it should usually so good luck with that...
I still don't get it. Can anyone help make this a little clearer?
A little confirmation if I get everything right.
Wouldn't this system be better played in BV NZ roulette? So every doz will have equal chances to win.
And when we start to bet on the groupe of 2 dozens? How we should find out which dozs to bet on?
If those dozens wouldn't be hitted for more than 5 times,for example? Or we should just choose randomly what dozs we should bet?
Cheers
If it's true that this method will deliver a steady profit if the 2 dozens hit at 66%, then BV NZ is the place. I'm still not clear on how it is played, though. Bet 2 dozens and if the other hits then increase bets by 1, ok; but this:
"You start by betting 2 dozens 1 unit each.When one of 2 dozens hits you lower bet by 2 units and raise bet by 1 unit to the other dozen" ???????????
[/size]How can we lower a bet by 2 units when it's only a 1 unit bet?
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[/size]Sam
Has anyone tougth of playing 2 less hit dozens (2 units on each) + double streets (1 unit to cover 2 streets) on the last hit column ? buy in i 5 units, we cover 30 numbers total, out of 37 - in percentage it's more then 81% (vs the initial 66%), and if one of this numbers comes out, we win 1. If not, we loose 5 units...
Flat betting, this means we have to win 5 times to recover 1 loss... And we would win 8 in 10 games in average... So flat betting would not work here. Would some kind of progression be possible?
I brought this topic to life because I need to ask GLC and the rest if you think that this progression on 2 2/1 bets is the best progression
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 06, 09:59 PM 2012
I brought this topic to life because I need to ask GLC and the rest if you think that this progression on 2 2/1 bets is the best progression
Pockets, There are a lot of bets presented here, which reply # details the one you're asking about?
Winner 3 system was for sale in Italian e-Bay at 65 â,¬ (LOL)
Quote from: beretta28 on Jul 07, 01:53 AM 2012
Winner 3 system was for sale in Italian e-Bay at 65 â,¬ (LoL)
So it seems we got a good deal ;D They charged only 65 euros? I would not test any system worth less than 1000 euros ;D
GLC I am refairing the the original progression(math formula) that the thread started suggests.
George
I admire your zeal coming up with new ideas in progression department. But lets face an reality.
No progression or MM is going 2 really make any difference when betting on 2 dozens or columns.
D reason is simple. Payout ratio. Any bet selection will produce occasionally 6 or more losses in a row. If it happens once maybe u can recover but f u get it 2 times in a short succession u r toasted. Penthouse,1up or down,marty :wink: , 2up 1down,Trio play, Lanky 2 recover is not going 2 save yr ass.
I dont want 2 be like MOP here ;D n lecture u about obvious. But unfortunately its reality. Can somebody post something about inside bets 4 a change.?
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 07, 07:18 AM 2012
George
I admire your zeal coming up with new ideas in progression department. But lets face an reality.
No progression or MM is going 2 really make any difference when betting on 2 dozens or columns.
D reason is simple. Payout ratio. Any bet selection will produce occasionally 6 or more losses in a row. If it happens once maybe You can recover but f u get it 2 times in a short succession u r toasted. Penthouse,1up or down,marty :wink: , 2up 1down,Trio play, Lanky 2 recover is not going 2 save yr ar*e.
I don't want 2 be like MOP here ;D n lecture u about obvious. But unfortunately its reality. Can somebody post something about inside bets 4 a change.?
Regards
Inside bets same reults man its all the same in or out.
I disagree Warrior ;D The payout rate is there. Flat or very mild prog of course. Any prog in ECs or 1/3 chances will wipe u out. Of course f u play 4 1-5u win a day its a slightly different story. Jl ridiculed me 4 playing 4 30% win goal of my BR. We will see who is right at d end of d day.
Regards
You have more losses playing on the inside ,and youd better have a huge br.
Wrong Warrior ;D I do flat betting n f u compare yr wins to losses ratio there is no contest. Code 4 a marvel here 1 unit win risking 80u. Flat bet on 1 number 4 12 spins. Average win of 30u risking 12u. Sorry i will take my chances even betting blindly here. But... f u bet on trends n You know how 2 do it or just on a mere chance that a trend will happen then u will never go bk 2 ECs or DZ or Cl. ;D
Regards
Sure if your lucky to hit that 1 number in 37 spins,and it might take an hour or so flat bet and break even wow your not making very good money,i have seen people lose so much on the inside its not even funny.
I'm afraid warrior is right.
On the inside bets you lose much more for two reasons:
-2,7% instead of -1,35%(did you hear already about that?),but also because inside bets have a bigger variance,that in poor words means that the losing periods are longer than in ECs.
But the opposite could be also valid:even if you are lucky no hope on ECs in the long term,much more possibilities to be + on inside,only splits and straight numbers!
With no luck,small loss on ECs,very huge loss on inside.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 07, 08:00 AM 2012
Sure if your lucky to hit that 1 number in 37 spins,and it might take an hour or so flat bet and break even wow your not making very good money,i have seen people lose so much on the inside its not even funny.
Once in a while u lose 80u f u want 2 win 1u. I guarantee u that at least 80% people that make money on roulette play inside. Just ask around. But what r we discussing here? U stated that u r happy with winning 3-5u a day n im not. So obviously we should have 2 different strategies. U happy, im happy so lets go on with that.
Regards
Quote from: beretta28 on Jul 07, 08:21 AM 2012
I'm afraid warrior is right.
On the inside bets you lose much more for two reasons:
-2,7% instead of -1,35%(did you hear already about that?),but also because inside bets have a bigger variance,that in poor words means that the losing periods are longer than in ECs.
But the opposite could be also valid:even if you are lucky no hope on ECs in the long term,much more possibilities to be + on inside,only splits and straight numbers!
With no luck,small loss on ECs,very huge loss on inside.
Beretta i think u r completely wrong here. Knowledge straight out of a book never did anybody good. Why don't u go 2 casino n try 2 win some dough. N actually I'm pretty good at mathematics. But actually u don't need it in roulette. I think u spend 2 much time like MOP here trying 2 teach us stuff that already everybody knows. And im curious about yr 1.35 2 2.7% comparison here. F we had triple 0 roulette what would be d house edge? Maybe i could use such a info.
Hello!
I am new here, and I use my third language, which I think is best for all, as I do not thinks so many of you will understand an other more perfect language. So it will be some misspelling, which I think we can live with.
An math infallible system you will never find, It can be fun to test claims, but soon or later every thread in any forum will end with somebody have failed.
Thats the devils game, and math will not work very well, so because of that I do not find any other methods worse, gamblers fallacy is quite OK, as long it brings winnings.
I use to winn, and I am playing on money I won, but for sure I have no method which is infallible.
Robeenhut,
OK we have different opinions.
Honestly speaking sometimes I appreciate your posts and your comments,but here you make some mistakes,In My Humble Opinion
First I'd be sure that you have well understood my position:I agree that the sole players that wins something,play inside bets,mainly straight numbers.
But they are also the players that lose much more money of even chances players,if both categories lose.
Bayes told the same thing a few days ago in another thread,
Second,but is not so important,I would like to inform you that I've been playing roulette and other Casino games for 40 years and in the last 15 years I enter a Casino 200 times per year.
Believe me,I know roulette like few other people
Third:what I mention about outside and inside bet,apart from my own experience,is confirmed by the famous book of Edward Packel,The Mathematic of gambling.
Edward was in 1992,when he wrote this sbook,Ph.D and professor of math and statistics in Harvard.
Ok,I guess all that is not enough for convincing you....
I would love to see a demonstration of how one can lose more than 2.7% in any betting situation. I will find this book--if possible--and read it.
I would even love a mathematical explanation.....
TwoCat
Quote from: beretta28 on Jul 07, 11:23 AM 2012
Robeenhut,
OK we have different opinions.
Honestly speaking sometimes I appreciate your posts and your comments,but here you make some mistakes,In My Humble Opinion
First I'd be sure that you have well understood my position:I agree that the sole players that wins something,play inside bets,mainly straight numbers.
But they are also the players that lose much more money of even chances players,if both categories lose.
Bayes told the same thing a few days ago in another thread,
Second,but is not so important,I would like to inform you that I've been playing roulette and other Casino games for 40 years and in the last 15 years I enter a Casino 200 times per year.
Believe me,I know roulette like few other people
Third:what I mention about outside and inside bet,apart from my own experience,is confirmed by the famous book of Edward Packel,The Mathematic of gambling.
Edward was in 1992,when he wrote this sbook,Ph.D and professor of math and statistics in Harvard.
Ok,I guess all that is not enough for convincing you....
Hola Beretta
I dont think that anybody can convince anybody here on this forum ;D . And prove anything. I just feel comfortable playing inside bets flat or with a very mild short prog in a worst case. And i know lots about any gaming theories 2. But always 2 lazy 2 study a whole book. Just a few relevant chapters. If i need any info on roulette i just google deviation towards d mean 4 an example... What do u play out of curiosity f i may ask?
Regards
OK, I have the book on order through inter library loan. Won't pay for it unless it's good.
I'm truly drooling to see how one can lose more than 2.7% on inside bets if you follow the rules. Anyone can bet $100 on 3 and lose and say, "Whoa, I lost 100%!!". That's not a test.
Sam
Roulette is not my preferred game anymore.
I decided(easy decision!) that is better to try to beat a game with a lower edge.
So I play mainly BJack(-055% edge with the rules of Montecarlo Casino,without counting cards and with basic strategy).
As far as roulette is concerned I try to well learn VB,a "science" that I had underestimated in the past.
Years ago I've tried EVERY system or/and progression on ECs(like all novices)or on inside bets(mainly lines).A disaster!
When I read the book I mention here above,I had the confirmation of my ideas about straight numbers.
It's the best bet if you play frequently in a Casino.Boring,but efficient!
If you enter a Casino three times a year,you can play your room number,your age or the telephone number of your neighbour!
The problem in Montecarlo is that you MUST give a tip when you win on a straight number and this double the edge.That's why I play BJ,also because casinos on line for me don't exist.
On straight number I used to play a soft progression on cycles of 72 spins.I won 1 times,2times,more or never...and I modified my progression accordingly.
It was long(300 spins per session minimum),2500 units bkr,starting from the minimum of the table.
I played at least three months like that and I was + if no tip to the dealer.
Now I have found a Casino where the tip is not compulsory.
Who knows?.....
TwoCatSam
I'm afraid you have not understood.
In the book you will see the demonstration that the straight number is the best possible bet(or the less worse!)
I hope you understand it,otherwise read only the conclusions.
-2,7% of all money put on a roulette table is the average loss of a given player.
But on inside bets,because there is a big variance/unbalance, the player will be sooner or later out of money in a negative session, and the the loss is much bigger.
For that the book has nothing to do.
Ask the waiter of a Casino and he knows that too
Quote from: beretta28 on Jul 07, 02:51 PM 2012
Roulette is not my preferred game anymore.
I decided(easy decision!) that is better to try to beat a game with a lower edge.
So I play mainly BJack(-055% edge with the rules of Montecarlo Casino,without counting cards and with basic strategy).
As far as roulette is concerned I try to well learn VB,a "science" that I had underestimated in the past.
Years ago I've tried EVERY system or/and progression on ECs(like all novices)or on inside bets(mainly lines).A disaster!
When I read the book I mention here above,I had the confirmation of my ideas about straight numbers.
It's the best bet if you play frequently in a Casino.Boring,but efficient!
If you enter a Casino three times a year,you can play your room number,your age or the telephone number of your neighbour!
The problem in Montecarlo is that you MUST give a tip when you win on a straight number and this double the edge.That's why I play BJ,also because casinos on line for me don't exist.
On straight number I used to play a soft progression on cycles of 72 spins.I won 1 times,2times,more or never...and I modified my progression accordingly.
It was long(300 spins per session minimum),2500 units bkr,starting from the minimum of the table.
I played at least three months like that and I was + if no tip to the dealer.
Now I have found a Casino where the tip is not compulsory.
Who knows?.....
YOU HAVE TO TIP THATS CRAZY AND ROBBERY, you should use your gun and shoot them :LoL:
I am always needing a book to read. I will digest it.
One day i will share my Power 6 system its on lines ,i have won with this for the last 3 years,im not rich but ,no losses and no disaters,mr barretta.
Warrior,if it woul be on straight number OK,it's very kind of you, you'd be a very nice and constructive member.
If it on lines, be ready to read my answer,(I hope not unpolite) that will destroy your system,unless you teel me that you've played it for 50000 spins flat bet and still W.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 07, 03:17 PM 2012
One day i will share my Power 6 system its on lines ,i have won with this for the last 3 years,I'm not rich but ,no losses and no disaters,mr barretta.
Warrior i just wonder, is that maybe the one that wins xxx chips on
every spin?
Cheers
I feel another challenge coming on!!
Bayes
Better complete that software!!
Maybe we should all buy Bayes a beer!
Sam
I thought it was an EC method warrior, or do you have perhaps two methods to hopefully share one day :) I believe you!
TwoCat, would be great if we could buy Bayes a beer as well as a lot of players on this forum.
I have infact never meet a fellow roulette player or nobody mentions it at least and yes I have not been to a live casino to play roulette yet, only online. I think I should but its a good commute, 1 hour with the bus. It would be interesting to speak with players though and see which methods they use.
Would be a good conversation.
Quote from: beretta28 on Jul 07, 03:03 PM 2012
TwoCatSam
I'm afraid you have not understood.
In the book you will see the demonstration that the straight number is the best possible bet(or the less worse!)
I hope you understand it,otherwise read only the conclusions.
-2,7% of all money put on a roulette table is the average loss of a given player.
But on inside bets,because there is a big variance/unbalance, the player will be sooner or later out of money in a negative session, and the the loss is much bigger.
For that the book has nothing to do.
Ask the waiter of a Casino and he knows that too
Hola Beretta
At least we agree about straight numbers. By inside bets i meant only straight numbers bets flat or with short and mild progression. And what exactly do u mean by bigger variance on inside bets? I guess in plain english it means that 1 street sleeping 4 more than 100 spins will hurt u more than 1 EC sleeping 4 20+ spins? So betting with progression u would lose more money betting on streets than EC's f these 2 extremely rare events occurred.
On straight numbers OK.
As I said in another thread,the most satisfactory system I ever used was on straight numbers,as you say too,with a mild progression,but not so short.
But,as you know for sure,big bkr needed
By bigger variance I mean exactly what you wrote.
The proof is:
- at a roulette table you have sure noticed that,in a negative session, an inside players is out of money earlier than an ECs player,even if this one has no possibility to win in the long term(possibility that the inside players have,if they play straight numbers!)
Read the nice post of Bayes sent a few days ago about that,that confirms my position!
By the way,why,in your opinion,in European roulette on ECs there is "en prison rule",that means to lose only 50 % of your bet?Because Casinos are generous and they want to be fair with ECs players?.....
-if you look the yearly balance sheet of all Casinos,you will see that their profit is much more than 2,70% of all the bets that the players have put on the table during the year.Just for the raison above!
The solution(forbidden)would be the association among players.In this case the Casino profits would decrease at roughly 2,70% and they wouldn't be happy!
Interesting progression.
The formula calculates the next bet about all winnings and losses in all the session.
Maybe it is needed to study this formula again for a No Zero table. The zero always kills the bankroll!!! :sad2:
i still like the gr8 progression for double dozens
Quote from: richbailey86 on Aug 31, 10:16 AM 2014
i still like the gr8 progression for double dozens
I cannot remember where I have found gr8 progression long time ago.
the gr8 progression is this:
1111111
2222222
3333333
4444444
5555555
you bet one unit 7 times, if you are up do another series of one unit
if you are down go up to 2 units for 7 spins, if you reach a high drop down to one unit
however i am really interested in this system in this thread because the OP says it would shut down roulette
as an american listening to you europeans talk sometimes i dont quiote understand, LOL :twisted:
Quote from: richbailey86 on Aug 31, 04:36 PM 2014
the gr8 progression is this:
1111111
2222222
3333333
4444444
5555555
you bet one unit 7 times, if you are up do another series of one unit
if you are down go up to 2 units for 7 spins, if you reach a high drop down to one unit
however i am really interested in this system in this thread because the OP says it would shut down roulette
as an american listening to you europeans talk sometimes i dont quiote understand, LOL :twisted:
Thanks! i supouse everytime we are in profit reset to 1 unit bet without wait to complete the bet line, it doesnt?
Quote from: jarabo002 on Aug 31, 04:54 PM 2014
Thanks! i supouse everytime we are in profit reset to 1 unit bet without wait to complete the bet line, it doesnt?
correct. according to the member gr8player once you are in profit reset to 1 unit without having to finish the current string
can someone better explain this system to me?
the math is hard for me to understand....any americans here?
how is this mathematically perfect system working for everyone?
still trying to figure this out myself, still confused
OP said its infalliable
Anyone ?
I responded a few times but no answer
Anyoneeeee?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 31, 06:41 PM 2014
can someone better explain this system to me?
the math is hard for me to understand....any americans here?
lol...us british arnt too bad at maths..
you know....
Charles Babbage
Alan Turin
Isaac Newton
Paul Dirac
......
Quote from: Turner on Oct 28, 03:02 PM 2015
lol...us british arnt too bad at maths..
you know....
Charles Babbage
Alan Turin
Isaac Newton
Paul Dirac
......
Lol i said that cause he was using commas instead of decimal points and i have no clue what original poster was trying to say
mr ore seemed to have good graphs
Quote from: Turner on Oct 28, 03:02 PM 2015
lol...us british arnt too bad at maths..
you know....
Charles Babbage
Alan Turin
Isaac Newton
Paul Dirac
......
the reason why the apple sign is a bitten apple, but they won't admit to it, because it may cost Em a
few dollars.......
For shame.....
O0
Does this method work. At all?