MS4 ( four moving sectors)
Track like this... from the last number spun make 4 groups each one 9 numbers:
R1 first 9 red numbers clock wise from the last number(see examples)
B1 first 9 black numbers clock wise from the last number
R2 the next 9 red numbers after R1 ( clock wise)
B2 the next 9 black numbers after B1 ( clock wise)
EX:.....if last number is 32 then :
R1 32,19,21,25,34,27,36,30,23
B1 15,4,2,17,6,13,11,8,10
R2 5,16,1,14,9,18,7,12,3
B2 24,33,20,31,22,29,28,35,26
Another example,
if next number is 20 then:
R1 14,9,18,7,12,3,32,19,21
B1 20,31,22,29,28,35,26,15,4
R2 25,34,27,36,30,23,5,16,1
B2 2,17,6,13,11,8,10,24,33
....and so on... from each number we get 4 different groups.
So we bet for events/movements , not the same numbers.
Movements .........R1,B1,R2,B2 from the last number spun.
The 0 is just one L. When hit 0 take the next numbers
to bet from the previous number.
Triggers:
When same movement hit 2(or 3) times in the last 6(7) spins then start to bet on that one
flat bet. Meanwhile if appear another trigger ....wait until W or L4 on the first trigger, then
bet that second trigger. If lost 3 times in row -36 then stop play and wait one virt. W , then play.
Another way to play flat bet is bet after trigger(two same movements), then after W or L4 wait new trigger and bet.
stop-loss around -120(-150).
If use progression then use extended Fibo (from Winkel) for 9 numbers
1111,2222,3333,5555,8888,13......(of course can start from 0,10 c online).
Ex. flat bet using also trigger on wait :
NR/Movement Total W
14
26 B1 (26 is B1 from 14)
14 R2 (14 is R2 from 26)
32 R1 (32 is R1 from 14)
24 B2 ......so on....
29 B1 trigger
17 B1 W +27
34 R1 trigger
18 R2 L1
18 R1 W +18
30 R2 trigger
35 B2 L1
9 R2 W +18
14 R2
1 R2 trigger
24 B2 L1 trigger B2 on wait
0 - L2
19 R2 W +9 (19 is R2 from number 24), bet for B2
22 B2 W +27
29 B1
8 B2
29 B1 trigger
29 B1 W +27
36 R2
4 B2 trigger
29 B2 W +27
30 R2 trigger
3 R2 W +27
1 R2
11 B2
15 B2 trigger
36 R1 L1
35 B2 W +18
26 B1
9 R2 trigger
5 R2 W +27
26 B1 trigger
22 B2 L1
4 B1 W +18
14 R2
13 B2 trigger
35 B2 W +27
28 B2
35 B1
10 B2 trigger
16 R1 L1
3 R1 L2 trigger R1 on wait
7 R2 L3
32 R1 L4 -36 from B2, bet for R1
2 B1 L1
18 R2 L2
21 R1 W +9 from R1
35 B2
9 R2 trigger
25 R1 L1
15 B2 L2
35 B2 L3 trigger B2 on wait
34 R1 L4 -36 from R2, bet for B2 and new trigger R1 on wait
22 B2 W +27, bet for R1
21 R1 W +27
6 B1
23 R1
10 B1 trigger
30 R2 L1
27 R2 L2 trigger R2 on wait
33 B1 W +9, bet for R2
24 B2 L1
21 R2 W +18
19 R2
15 B2 trigger
14 R2 L1 trigger R2 wait
19 R1 L2
29 B2 W +9, bet for R2
34 R1 L1 trigger R1 wait
28 B2 L2
13 B1 L3
16 R1 L4 -36, bet for R1
14 R1 W +27
27 R2
1 R1
25 R2 trigger
26 B2 L1
10 B2 L2 trigger B2 wait
26 B2 L3
32 R1 L4 -36 , bet B2
10 B1 L1
8 B2 W +18
1 R1 trigger
21 R2 L1
4 B2 L2
7 R2 L3 trigger R2 wait
21 R1 W break even , bet R2
1 R2 W +27 W +297 until here
23 R2
34 R2 trigger
29 B2 L1
19 R1 L2 trigger R1 wait
18 R2 W +9, bet for R1
33 B2 L1 trigger B2 wait
20 B1 L2
1 R2 L3
4 B1 L4 -36 on R1, bet B2
27 R1 L1
3 R2 L2 trigger R2 wait
30 R1 L3
17 B2 W br.even, bet for R2
5 R1 L1
5 R1 L2 trigger R1 wait
4 B2 L3
4 B1 L4 -36 on R2, bet R1
36 R1 W +27
26 B2 trigger
13 B1 L1 trigger B1 wait
29 B2 W +27, bet B1
33 B2 L1
30 R2 L2
15 B2 L3 trigger B2 wait
27 R1 L4 -36 , bet B2
30 R1 L1 trigger R1 wait
8 B1 L2
4 B2 W +9, bet R1
28 B2 L1
14 R2 L2
23 R2 L3 trigger R2 wait
2 B2 L4 -36 , bet R2 , trigger B2 wait
7 R2 W +27 , bet B2 W +252 until here
16 R2 L1
10 B2 W +18
34 R2 trigger
13 B1 L1
11 B1 L2 trigger B1 wait
19 R2 W +9, bet B1
30 R1 L1
24 B1 W +18
12 R1 trigger
12 R1 W +27
19 R1
22 B2
24 B2 trigger
24 B1 L1 trigger B1 wait
24 B1 L2
14 R1 L3
28 B1 L4 -36, bet B1
9 R2 L1
23 R2 L2 trigger R2 wait
11 B2 L3
0 - L4 -36, bet R2
12 R2 W +27 W +279 until nere
7 R2
0 -
32 R1
29 B2 trigger
23 R2 L1 trigger R2 wait
15 B2 W +18, bet R2
14 R2 W +27 W +324
15 and so on.............
Another session:
NR/Mov. Total W
2
9 R2
21 R1
29 B2
31 B2 trigger
9 R1 L1 trigger R1 on wait
15 B1 L2
20 B2 W +9, bet R1
0 L1
12 R1 W +18 (12 is R1 from 20)
8 B2
7 R1
18 R2
1 R2 trigger
20 B1 L1
13 B2 L2 trigger B2 on wait
16 R1 L3
26 B1 L4 -36, bet B2
32 R1 L1 trigger R1 on wait
2 B1 L2
5 R1 L3
2 B2 W 0, bet R1
23 R1 W +27 W +18 (total)
10 B1 trigger
23 R2 L1
8 B2 L2
11 B2 L3 trigger B2 on wait
34 R2 L4 -36, bet B2
2 B2 W +27
34 R1
35 B2
10 B2 trigger
28 B1 L1
31 B2 W +18 W +27 (total)
6 B2
11 B1 trigger
27 R2 L1
16 R1 L2
2 B2 L3 trigger B2 on wait
24 B1 W 0, bet B2
34 R2 L1 R2 on wait
25 R2 L2
33 B1 L3
1 R1 L4 -36, bet R2
9 R1 L1 trigger R1 on wait
13 B2 L2
33 B1 L3
8 B2 L4 -36 bet R1
30 R2 L1
15 B2 L2
24 B2 L3 B2 on wait
16 R1 W 0, bet B2
10 B2 W +27 Total -18
19 R2 trigger
31 B2 L1
8 B2 L2 B2 on wait
26 B2 L3
21 R1 L4 -36, bet B2
36 R1 L1 R1 on wait
20 B1 L2
17 B2 W +9, bet R1
34 R1 W +27
0
32 R2
24 B2
28 B1
14 R2 trigger
15 B1 L1 B1 on wait
18 R2 W +18, bet B1
10 B2 L1
3 R1 L2
19 R1 L3 R1 on wait
8 B1 W 0 bet R1
18 R1 W +27 Total +27
19 R1
21 R1 trigger
28 B2 L1
27 R1 W +18
21 R2
12 R2 trigger
5 R2 W +27
17 B2 trigger
33 B1 L1
24 B2 W +18
28 B1 trigger
1 R2 L1 R2 on wait
15 B1 W +18 Total +108
16 R2 trigger
16 R1 L1
4 B2 L2 B2 on wait
11 B1 L3
32 R2 W 0, bet B2
13 B1 L1 B1 on wait
28 B2 W +18, bet B1
14 R2 L1
22 B1 W +18
13 B2
18 R1
12 R1 trigger
29 B2 L1
36 R2 L2
21 R2 L3 R2 on wait
7 R2 L4 -36 ,bet R2
6 B1 L1
6 B1 L2 B1 on wait
36 R1 L3
8 B1 L4 -36 , bet B1
11 B2 L1
27 R2 L2
28 B2 L3 B2 on wait
28 B1 W 0 , bet B2
33 B2 W +27 Total +99
31 B1
36 R2 trigger
10 B1 L1
2 B2 L2
31 B2 L3 B2 on wait
9 R1 L4 -36
6 B2 W +27
21 R2
23 R1 trigger
25 R2 L1 R2 on wait
23 R1 W +18, bet R2
36 R2 W +27 W +135 total
Not all sessions will be like this ones( stop lose at -120).
cheers
these reults are of fibonacci progression....?or flat bet
Flat bet .
Quote :
**
Ex. flat bet using also trigger on wait :
NR/Movement Total W
14
26 B1 (26 is B1 from 14)
14 R2 (14 is R2 from 26)
32 R1 (32 is R1 from 14)
24 B2 ......so on....
29 B1 trigger
17 B1 W +27
34 R1 trigger
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another flat bet session/test :
Nr/Mov total
30
20 b1
22 b1 trigger
34 r1 l1
34 r1 l2 r1 on wait
31 b1 w +9, bet r1
6 b2 l1
27 r1 w +18
8 b1
23 r1
27 r2
15 b2 trigger
0 l1
15 b1 l2
0 l3
12 r2 l4 -36 , trigger r2
20 b2 l1
21 r1 l2
15 b2 l3 trigger b2 on wait
3 r2 w 0 , bet b2
35 b2 w +27
15 b1
8 b1 trigger
21 r2 l1
4 b2 l2
8 b1 w +9
19 r2 trigger
31 b2 l1 b2 on wait
14 r2 w +18, bet b2
10 b2 w +27 W +72 total
21 r2
2 b1
22 b2
14 r2 trigger
23 r2 w +27
33 b1 trigger
24 b2 l1 b2 on wait
6 b2 l2
9 r1 l3
16 r2 l4 -36, bet b2
17 b2 w +27
21 r2 trigger
9 r2 w +27 W + 117 total
26 b1
11 b1 trigger
7 r1 l1
15 b1 w +18
26 b2
3 r2
36 r1 trigger
21 r2 l1 r2 on wait
16 r1 w +18, bet r2
22 b1 l1
24 b2 l2 b2 on wait
14 r1 l3
12 r1 l4 -36 trigger r1
25 r1 w +27
36 r1
5 r1 trigger r1
36 r2 l1
36 r1 w +18 W +162
33 b1
35 b1 trigger
23 r2 l1 r2 on wait
22 b1 w +18, bet r2
34 r1 l1
36 r1 l2 r1 on wait
4 b2 l3
22 b2 l4-36, bet r1
17 b1 l1
19 r2 l2
18 r2 l3 r2 on wait
25 r1 w 0, bet r2
26 b2 l1
19 r1 l2
13 b1 l3
22 b1 l4 -36, trigger b1
3 r1 l1
3 r1 l2 r1 on wait
18 r2 l3
26 b1 w 0 , bet r1 W + 108 total
10 b2 l1
26 b2 l2
18 r2 l3 r2 on wait
7 r1 w 0 , bet r2
0 l1
16 r2 w +18
10 b2 trigger
13 b2 w +27
15 b2
34 r1
23 r1 trigger
36 r2 l1
12 r2 l2 r2 on wait
36 r1 w +9, bet r2
25 r2 w +27
27 r1
15 b2
10 b1
31 b1 trigger
14 r2 l1
27 r2 l2 r2 on wait
20 b1 w +9, bet r2
8 b2 l1
14 r1 l2
33 b2 l3 b2 o wait
25 r2 w 0, bet b2
33 b1 l1
22 b1 l2
31 b2 w +9 W +207
I have played a few sessions on airball and no loss yet(i know will)
(my target is around 100 units, stop-loss around -100)
I start real play only after one virtual win.
Also not bad start after hit once or twice -36 virtual.
Another session/test live spins:
Nr/Mov. Total
15 b1
25 r1
22 b2
15 b1 trigger
31 b2 l1 b2 on wait
29 b1 w +18, bet b2
5 r2 l1
3 r1 l2
18 r2 l3 r2 on wait
11 b2 w 0
15 b2 l1
17 b1 l2
16 r1 l3
3 r1 l4 -36 , trigger r1
11 b1 l1
11 b1 l2 b1 on wait
9 r1 w +9, bet b1
11 b2 l1
9 r1 l2
21 r1 l3 r1 on wait
6 b1 w 0, bet r1
21 r2 l1
0 l2
13 b1 l3
9 r1 w 0 , trigger r1
29 b1 l1 b1 on wait
19 r1 w +18, bet b1 W +9 (total)
25 r1 l1
21 r2 l2
12 r2 l3 r2 on wait
36 r1 l4 -36, bet r2
9 r1 l1
33 b2 l2
6 b2 l3 b2 on wait
25 r2 w 0, bet b2
22 b2 w +27
17 b1
16 r1 trigger
12 r1 w +27 W +27 total
24 b2
3 r1
11 b1 trigger
15 b2 l1 b2 on wait
28 b2 l2
0 l3
6 b1 w 0, bet b2
6 b1 l1
5 r1 l2
14 r1 l3
7 r1 l4 -36 , trigger r1
3 r1 w +27
20 b2
10 b2 trigger
11 b2 w +27 W +45 total
0
6 b2
21 r2
16 r1
35 b1
14 r2 trigger
3 r1 l1
11 b1 l2 b1 on wait
27 r2 w +9, bet b1
15 b2 l1
32 r2 l2
31 b2 l3 b2 on wait
35 b1 w 0, bet b2
10 b2 w +27
24 b1
19 r2 trigger
16 r2 w +27 W +108 total
23 r2
20 b1 trigger
7 r1 l1
34 r1 l2
16 r1 l3 r1 on wait
21 r2 l4 -36, bet r1
27 r1 w +27
29 b2
18 r2 trigger
28 b1 l1
1 r2 w +18
35 b1 trigger
8 b2 l1
31 b1 w +18
6 b2 trigger
4 b2 w +27 W +162 total
6 b1
18 r2
34 r1
13 b1 trigger
1 r1 l1 r1 on wait
35 b1 w +18, bet r1
20 b2 l1
21 r1 w +18
2 b1
12 r2
33 b2 trigger
2 b2 w +27
17 b1
27 r1
24 b1 trigger
32 r1 l1 r1 on wait
34 r1 l2
3 r2 l3
8 b1 w 0, bet r1
17 b2 l1
33 b1 l2
27 r2 l3 r2 on wait
1 r1 w 0, bet r2
0 l1
24 b2 l2
10 b2 l3 b2 on wait
14 r1 l4 -36, bet b2
4 b1 l1
34 r1 l2 r1 on wait
8 b1 l3
23 r1 l4 -36, bet r1
16 r1 w +27
7 r1
13 b1 trigger
2 b2 l1
30 r1 l2
34 r2 l3
19 r2 l4 -36, trigger r2
28 b2 l1 b2 on wait
13 b1 l2
3 r2 w +9, bet b2 W +153 total
14 r2 l1
28 b1 l2 b1 on wait
27 r1 l3
35 b2 w 0, bet b1
18 r2 l1 r2 on wait
15 b1 w +18, bet r2
15 b1 l1
21 r1 l2
22 b2 l3
26 b1 l4 -36 , trigger b1
36 r1 l1 r1 on wait
11 b1 w +18, bet r1
14 r1 w +27
23 r2
25 r2 trigger
8 b1 l1
19 r2 w +18
36 r1
1 r1 trigger
0 l1
12 r1 w +18
11 b1 trigger
25 r2 l1
36 r1 l2
13 b2 l3
2 b2 l4 -36, trigger b2
6 b1 l1
7 r2 l2 r2 on wait
9 r2 l3
34 r2 l4 -36, bet r2
36 r1 l1
10 b1 l2 b1 on wait
7 r1 l3
30 r2 w 0, bet b1
24 b1 w +27 W + 171 total
About flat bet ...here is another way to bet:
after win can bet one more time the winner because
sometimes will hit series like R1R1R1R1 or B2B2B2...
Anothers good bet selections are... bet the last movement to repeat and/or
bet the second last movement. Make the Lw registry and bet using progression
after 5 or 6 virtual Ls.
cheers
The next New trigger only come from the LAST winning number? or.... after You have abandoned the attack in the current play situation ?
I like the look of this !!
Bot maybe superman?
Just one small "Forum" point..... I'd love to see u using "Reveal" feature for posting your results!
[reveal]numbers here!![/reveal]
or use the window icon, (to open up the code), in the message/post panel.
cheers.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 15, 05:48 AM 2011
The next New trigger only come from the LAST winning number? or.... after You have abandoned the attack in the current play situation ?
I like the look of this !!
Bot maybe superman?
Just one small "Forum" point..... I'd love to see u using "Reveal" feature for posting your results!
[reveal]numbers here!![/reveal]
or use the window icon, (to open up the code), in the message/post panel.
cheers.
Chris , just test that way i have posted (see sessions/tests) or the other way
is wait new trigger after W and after L1L2L3L4.
Ex:
15 b1
25 r1
22 b2
15 b1 trigger
31 b2 l1
29 b1 w +18 , wait new trigger
5 r2
3 r1
18 r2 trigger
11 b2 l1
15 b2 l2
17 b1 l3
16 r1 l4 wait new trigger
3 r1
11 b1
11 b1 trigger
9 r1 l1
35 b1 w wait new trigger
...so on......
Quote from: pratikpop on Sep 15, 10:57 AM 2011
your method looks very promising...but tracking becomes little complicated... a tracker would be very good...
cheers
Hi Pratikpop,
Tracking is not complicated belive me, you only need to print that roulette wheel
image i have posted and visually can track the movements from the last number spun.
When new number hit you look at the previous number (at wheel) and will know the
movement(R1 or R2 or B1 or B2) easy because its right side or left side from that number.
And before place the bets you take the new 9 numbers to bet(one movement) from
the last number spun.
cheers
This is a very promising system and i think it is based and depends on the DS.
Quote from: speed on Sep 15, 12:29 PM 2011
This is a very promising system and i think it is based and depends on the DS.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: pratikpop on Sep 15, 12:14 PM 2011
can this method be played at bv rng?
My advice is use it only in land casino, live online, airball.
Your choice if want to play on rng.
cheers
Another session/test live spins:
[reveal]
NR/ Movement total W
18
29 b1
4 b1 trigger
0 l1
13 b1 w +18
34 r2
9 r2 trigger
5 r2 w +27
18 r1
5 r2
1 r1 trigger
18 r1 w +27
10 b2
18 r1
20 b2 trigger
3 r1 l1 r1 on wait
28 b2 w +27, bet r1
16 r2
33 b1
28 b1 trigger
13 b1 w +27 W + 126
21 r2 trigger
18 r2 w +27
9 r2
11 b2
9 r1
6 b2 trigger
21 r2 l1 r2 wait
8 b1 l2
19 r2 l3
3 r2 l4 -36, bet r2
26 b1 l1 b1 wait
28 b2 l2
6 b1 l3
19 r2 w 0, bet b1
7 r2 l1
15 b1 w +18
9 r2 trigger
17 b1 l1
2 b2 l2
34 r1 l3
35 b2 l4 -36, trigger b2 W +99 total
23 r2 l1
18 r1 l2 r1 wait
18 r1 l3
0 l4 -36, bet r1
29 b1 l1
6 b1 l2 b1 wait
20 b1 l3
14 r1 w 0, bet b1
0 l1
9 r1 l2
7 r1 l3 r1 wait
13 b1 w +9, bet r1
24 b1 l1
2 b2 l2
33 b1 l3 b1 wait
28 b1 l4 -36, bet b1
33 b2 l1 b2 wait
30 r2 l2
24 b1 w +9, bet b2
10 b2 w +27 W + 72 total
30 r2 trigger
17 b2 l1
27 r1 l2
33 b1 l3
16 r2 w 0
20 b1 trigger
16 r2 l1
21 r2 l2 r2 wait
17 b1 w +9, bet r2
7 r2 w +27
20 b2
9 r1
15 b1
22 b2 trigger
29 b1 l1
26 b1 l2 b1 wait
6 b1 l3
17 b2 w 0, bet b1
8 b1 w +27
8 b1
28 b1 trigger
21 r1 l1
22 b2 l2
23 r2 l3
22 b1 w 0
3 r1 trigger
33 b2 l1
21 r2 l2 r2 wait
5 r1 w +9 , bet r2 W+ 144 total
25 r2 w +27
14 r2
24 b2 trigger
25 r2 l1
3 r2 l2 r2 wait
12 r2 l3
8 b2 w 0, bet r2
35 b2 l1
9 r2 w +18 w +189
[/reveal]
Hi Katilla.
This does remind me of a quite interesting system called Jack Kennedy Square RO-LET system.
It was quite a decent system and I do intend to re-visit it some time.
Is this based on that system?
Arthur.
tested this method...at paddypower live..results were impressive..still we need more testing
Quote from: artattack on Sep 15, 07:38 PM 2011
Hi Katilla.
This does remind me of a quite interesting system called Jack Kennedy Square RO-LET system.
It was quite a decent system and I do intend to re-visit it some time.
Is this based on that system?
Arthur.
Hi Arthur,
Has some similarities with that method but not based on it.
It s based on dominant movement, dominant colour, dealer signature....
in general same principle like my other movements system, but this time
attack 9 numbers one colour. The other system is the 6 angles/ 6 numbers
and still play that one to, even if in the long run tests has failed (but can hold up
sometimes even after 10 000 and 20 000 spins).
I agree with others when say flat bet methods can not survive on the very long
run but i don t care if my (100-200 spins)session end in plus. One more think .....
past spins/results has nothing to do with future spins and results, so never know ...
We only need good methods good MM , experience, luck and intuition to win , after all is just a game so...take it easy .
cheers
one more thing i need to ask...have u had 2 or 3 losses in a row..
Hello,
I am new to the forum and have read a few posts (pattern breaker, pattern4, divide and conquer, etc) and like your system, but i don't understand it fully.
When a trigger apears, lets say B1, you always bet on B1 even when you lose. I know the numbers of B1 change after the next spin.
My problem is to get the right numbers to the code R1, B1, R2, B2. For example see below (excel sheet) a spin session of mine with code and numbers i would think to bet on.
Hope you can clarify it for me. ;D
[attachurl=1]
Quote from: roulprofessional on Sep 16, 06:36 AM 2011
one more thing i need to ask...have u had 2 or 3 losses in a row..
Yes of course, twice in a row -36 hit quite often also i find four times 3 losses
in a row (-36,-36,-36) but i was already up enough to take the 3 losses.
Ex: i was up +54 then hit the 3 losses, so down -54 after that 3 losses, then won
again until i was in plus +27 end session.
I am sure will find even 4 losses in a row (even more) but like i said (see rules) after
3 losses in a row stop play and take the lose (if you are around -120 or -150) Or wait
one virtual win and bet again after new trigger.
Remember when start can start after one virtual W or after 2 losses in row.
cheers
session today on airball
17
31 b2
31 b1
15 b1 trigger
25 r1 l1
0 - l2
13 b1 W (virtual win) start real play
16 r1
35 b1
9 r2
20 b2
32 r1 trigger
21 r1 w +27
31 b2 trigger
15 b1 l1
17 b1 l2
17 b1 l3 b1 on wait
9 r2 l4 -36, bet b1
24 b2 l1
23 r2 l2 r2 on wait
35 b1 w +9, bet r2
6 b1 l1
19 r2 w +18
0
5 r1
26 b1 trigger
5 r2 l1
10 b2 l2
23 r1 l3 r1 on wait
15 b1 w 0, bet r1
8 b1 l1
31 b1 l2 b1 on wait
19 r1 w +9
17 b1 w +27
13 b1
7 r2
3 r1
2 b1 trigger
30 r1 l1 r1 on wait
27 r2 l2
8 b1 w +9, bet r1
23 r1 w +27
6 b2
6 b1
17 b2 trigger
24 b1 l1
30 r2 l2
6 b2 w +9 W +99 end session
good weekend for all
another real session today(airball local city):
[reveal]
23 virtual play
6 b2
23 r1
20 b1
29 b1 trigger
5 r2 l1
9 r1 l2 r1 on wait
31 b2 l3
7 r1 l4, bet r1
0 l1
1 r2 l2
16 r2 l3 r2 on wait
34 r2 l4, bet r2
25 r2 W (virtual) start real play
27 r1
31 b1
29 b1 trigger
6 b1 w +27
4 b2
32 r2
2 b1
32 r2 trigger
8 b1 l1
24 b1 l2 b1 on wait
3 r1 l3
10 b2 l4 -36 , bet b1
32 r2 l1
15 b1 w +18
12 r2 trigger
28 b2 l1 b2 on wait
15 b1 l2
8 b1 l3
27 r2 w 0 bet b2
5 r1 l1
1 r1 l2 r1 on wait
16 r2 l3
24 b2 w 0, bet r1
3 r1 w +27
11 b1
24 b1 trigger
22 b1 w +27
6 b2
28 b2 trigger
11 b2 w +27
30 r1
12 r2
8 b2
16 r1 trigger
16 r1 w +27
3 r1
2 b1
24 b1 trigger
2 b2 l1
30 r1 l2 r1 on wait
27 r2 l3
22 b1 w 0, bet r1
29 b1 l1
31 b2 l2
21 r1 w +9 W + 126 end session
[/reveal]
Any coder to code this method flat bet and also with progression ?
cheers
One tweak....when play and get Ls and shows two
triggers on wait ,then choose the most hot.
session test/example live spins, how to apply new tweak :
[reveal]
29 virtual play
11 b2
5 r1
21 r2
17 b1
2 b2 trigger
20 b2 w virtual, start real play Example Here:
18 r1 trigger
35 b1 l1 b1 on wait
20 b2 l2
2 b2 l3 b2 on wait (choose b2 hot)
19 r2 l4 -36, bet b2
9 r2 l1 r2 on wait
21 r1 l2
0 l3
22 b2 w 0 , bet r2
10 b2 l1
21 r2 w +18
7 r2
36 r2 trigger
31 b1 l1
30 r2 w +18
10 b1 trigger
19 r2 l1
4 b1 w +18
3 r2 trigger
32 r1 l1
21 r1 l2 r1 on wait
6 b1 l3
24 b1 l4 -36 , bet b1 b1 on wait (choose b1 hot)
6 b2 l1
6 b1 w +18
28 b2 trigger
6 b1 l1
19 r2 l2
5 r1 l3
31 b1 l4 -36 , trigger b1 total -36
22 b1 w +27
5 r2 trigger
1 r1 l1 r1 on wait
29 b1 l2
26 b1 l3 b1 on wait ( b1 most hot)
14 r2 w 0, bet b1
7 r1 l1
19 r1 l2 r1 on wait
2 b1 w +9, bet r1
33 b1 l1
18 r1 w +18
26 b1 trigger
27 r1 l1
20 b1 w +18
28 b1
21 r1 trigger
2 b1 l1 b1 on wait
0 l2
1 r1 w +9 W +45 total
[/reveal]
Ok, I was doubting if I should release these little tracker I´ve attached to this post. Why? Because it smells like a half done product to me, and normally I don´t want to come up with something, I´m not totally satisfied with.
So, what does the tracker do?
You enter the spun numbers in the yellow column a under SPINS, you will directly get the result of the spin according to the previous number, shown in column B. Now column C; these are potentional triggers. Potetntional, because further triggers and winning triggers are ignored. That means, if you have to bet for R2 and win, the tracker will show you another trigger for R2. So this column could only be seen as a help, but don´t bet blindly the outcomes of these column.
You also have to notice, that you don´t enter the zero. Because of this, look at potentional triggers, if there would still be triggers, when the 0 would be in.
So, after you have a signal to bet, you enter the last number in the upper part of the sheet (should be fixed, so that it can´t be scrolled out of sight), in the yellow field beside "Show for No.:". Than you will get the numbers for R1, R2, B1 and B2 for these number.
I´ve tested the outcomes with nearly 200 spins from Kattila´s examples, so that I think, there is no error in the matrix (on which these tracker is based). If you should find one, call Neo or contact my humble self. ;D
As I said, I´m not very happy with this tracker, but I don´t think, that I can come up with a better one, and maybe it will help a little (especially when theres not much time between the spins in online-live-wheel-casinos.)
When you cant enter anything into the sheet, it is write protected in windows. Close it, go to the place where it´s saved and rightclick the sheet, choose properties and unmark the write protection.
Ok, perhaps it will help a few members.
Good luck to all
MadMax
Quote from: peauke on Sep 16, 07:47 AM 2011
Hello,
I am new to the forum and have read a few posts (pattern breaker, pattern4, divide and conquer, etc) and like your system, but i don't understand it fully.
When a trigger apears, lets say B1, you always bet on B1 even when you lose. I know the numbers of B1 change after the next spin.
My problem is to get the right numbers to the code R1, B1, R2, B2. For example see below (excel sheet) a spin session of mine with code and numbers i would think to bet on.
Hope you can clarify it for me. ;D
[attachurl=1]
Hi Peauke and welcome to the forum.
When bet R1 or B1 bet numbers right side from the last number spun, but:
When bet R1 and last number was R then include that number
into the 9 numbers to bet.
When bet B1 and last number was B then include that number
into the 9 numbers to bet.
When bet R2 and B2 take the 9 numbers from the left side from
the last number.
And after win for example after trigger B2B2...bet B2 and win , then
shows again B2B2 bet again for B2, but condition is that new trigger
twice B2.
B2
B2 trigger
B2 win, wait
B2
B2 new trigger , bet B2
R1 L1
B1 L2
R1 L3 R1 on wait
B2 w, bet R1
This way is correct (using your numbers):
5
6 B2 from 5(because left side from 5)
17 B2 from 6, trigger B2, bet 2,4,15,26,35,28,29,22,31
26 B2 Win, wait new trigger
13 B1 from 26(because right side)
8 B1 from 13, trigger B1, bet 8,10,24,33,20,31,22,29,28
29 B1 Win wait new trigger
29 B1 from 29
8 B2 from 29
13 B2 trigger, bet 6,17,2......
22 B1 L1, bet B2 from 22, so 31,20,33.......
18 R1 L2, bet B2 from 18, so 22,31,20.....
16 R2 L3 bet 24,10,8....
28 B1 L4, new trigger B1 bet 28,35,26......
21 R1 L1, bet B1 so 2,17,6.....
33 B1 Win
Hope is Ok now .
cheers
Thanx, its clear now
Session yesterday , still lucky ( played 7, lost 1, won 6 sessions):
any coder or at least any tester? I tested before play it but only
3000 spins . thanks
cheers
[reveal]
8 virtual play
12 r1
3 r1 trigger
29 b2 l1
31 b2 l2 b2 on wait
0 l3
9 r1 w virtual , bet for real b2
0 l1
24 b2 w +18
20 b1
16 r2
20 b1 trigger
2 b2 l1
26 b2 l2
31 b2 l3 b2 on wait
29 b1 w 0, bet b2
15 b1 l1
22 b2 w +18
33 b2
22 b1 trigger
15 b1 w +27
6 b1
19 r2
23 r1
7 r1 trigger
20 b2 l1
6 b2 l2 b2 on wait
33 b1 l3
21 r2 l4 -36 , bet b2
22 b2 w +27
13 b2
2 b2 trigger
26 b2 w +27
25 r1
14 r2
22 b1
3 r1 trigger
23 r2 l1 r2 on wait
4 b2 l2
35 b2 l3 b2 on wait(choose b2 hot)
35 b1 l4 -36, bet b2
7 r2 l1 r2 on wait
26 b1 l2
31 b2 w +9, bet r2
25 r1 l1
16 r1 l2 r1 on wait
22 b1 l3 b1 on wait ( b1 hot)
14 r2 w 0, bet b1
29 b1 w +27
31 b2
8 b2 trigger
9 r1 l1 r1 on wait
27 r2 l2
14 r1 l3
17 b2 w 0, bet r1
10 b1 l1
27 r2 l2
21 r2 l3 r2 on wait
8 b1 l4 -36, bet r2
14 r1 l1
34 r2 w +18
8 b1 trigger
9 r1 l1
9 r1 l2 r1 on wait
20 b2 l3
28 b1 w 0 , bet r1
12 r1 w +27
4 b1
27 r1
23 r1 trigger
29 b1 l1
4 b1 l2
6 b1 l3
10 b1 l4 -36 , bet b1
2 b2 l1
9 r2 l2
17 b1 w +9
35 b2 trigger
24 b2 w +27 W +90 end session
[/reveal]
Kattila, this is awesome. I'll test it. I'm just getting the hang of it now. Your results are very impressive; have you continued to play this method? If so, would you share with us your number of sessions and bankroll balance?
Regards,
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on Oct 07, 10:19 PM 2011
Kattila, this is awesome. I'll test it. I'm just getting the hang of it now. Your results are very impressive; have you continued to play this method? If so, would you share with us your number of sessions and bankroll balance?
Regards,
Sam
Hi Sam , i have played in total 16 sessions, lost 4 sessions won 12 sessions,
total win until now +549 (stop lose around -108, target around +100 and
sometimes i ended even at +36 or +54 ).
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Oct 08, 07:11 AM 2011
Hi Sam , i have played in total 16 sessions, lost 4 sessions won 12 sessions,
total win until now +549 (stop-loss around -108, target around +100 and
sometimes i ended even at +36 or +54 ).
cheers
kattila
thanks for nice system. :thumbsup: could you please post one of your lost session to evaluate a suitable progression.
thanks
catalyst
I will Catalyst, and the progression for 9 NR could be Fibo
1112/2233/3555/888,13/13,13,21,21/21,34,34,34/...so on...
or for online can start from 0,10 c .
cheers
Madmax, Thanks for the tracker. I just have a couple questions:
Why do I get ## in the C column?
What is that big grid in the lower right with all those R2,R1,B2,etc for?
When a 0 hits I should just leave the space blank right?
So far so good.
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 19, 04:17 AM 2011
This way is correct (using your numbers):
5
6 B2 from 5(because left side from 5)
17 B2 from 6, trigger B2, bet 2,4,15,26,35,28,29,22,31
26 B2 Win, wait new trigger
13 B1 from 26(because right side)
8 B1 from 13, trigger B1, bet 8,10,24,33,20,31,22,29,28
29 B1 Win wait new trigger
29 B1 from 29
8 B2 from 29 shouldn"t we bet B2 here? isn't this the trigger?
13 B2 trigger, bet 6,17,2......
22 B1 L1, bet B2 from 22, so 31,20,33.......
18 R1 L2, bet B2 from 18, so 22,31,20.....
16 R2 L3 bet 24,10,8....
28 B1 L4, new trigger B1 bet 28,35,26......
21 R1 L1, bet B1 so 2,17,6.....
33 B1 Win
Hope is Ok now .
cheers
Hi birdhands! In the tracker, don´t enter the zeros and also don´t leave a blank for these. Just ignore it and enter the next number after the 0 under the first number before the 0. Otherwise you get these ##.
The grid is the matrix of the results. The tracker don´t calculate, it only takes his results from this grid. You can number the lines downward from 1 to 36 and also sidewards from 1 to 36. The tracker just looks into this grid, say, line 12 (no. 12), column 3 (no. 3), and reads the result for this combination.
I couldn´t find a smarter way to handle these. ;D
If there are any more questions, feel free to ask!
Yes Sam you are right, B2 is trigger.
one from the lost sessions
[reveal]
26 virtual play total
29 b2
32 r1
11 b1
4 b2 trigger
2 b1 l
6 b1 l b1 on wait
8 b1 l
9 r1 l bet b1
17 b1 w start real play
34 r1 trigg.
25 r2 l1
11 b1 l2
31 b1 l3 b1 on wait
8 b2 l4 -36 , bet b1
1 r1 l1 r1 on wait
31 b1 w +18, bet r1
12 r1 w +27
20 b2 trigg.
18 r1 l1
16 r2 l2
31 b1 l3
33 b2 w 0
35 b1 trigg.
35 b1 w +27
24 b2
10 b2 trigg.
20 b1 l1
29 b1 l2 b1 on wait
35 b1 l3
2 b1 l4 -36 , bet b1
32 r2 l1
5 r2 l2 r2 on wait
19 r2 l3
0 l4 -36 , bet r2
6 b1 l1
27 r1 l2
29 b2 l3
2 b1 l4 -36 Stop ,wait virtual W (bet b1 virtual) total -72
32 r2 l
23 r1 l
5 r1 l r1 on wait
15 b2 l, bet r1 virtual
2 b1 l
26 b2 l b2 on wait
16 r2 l
18 r1 w Start real play, bet b2
31 b2 w +27
23 r2 trigg.
10 b1 l1
13 b2 l2
4 b2 l3 b2 on wait
31 b2 l4 -36 , bet b2
19 r1 l1
27 r1 l2 r1 on wait
22 b1 l3
27 r2 l4 -36 End session -117
[/reveal]
In this situation maybe better not bet that trigger B1
because hit 4 times in row ( could be a new rule)
.
.
.
10 b2 trigg.
20 b1 l1
29 b1 l2 b1 on wait
35 b1 l3
2 b1 l4 -36 , bet b1 , (I think is better bet on next new trigger).
32 r2
5 r2 trigger r2
19 r2 W +27
0
6 b1 trigger
27 r1 l1
29 b2 l2
2 b1 W +9
32 r2
23 r1 trigg.
5 r1 W +27
15 b2 trigg.
2 b1 l1
26 b2 W +18
16 r2 trigg.
18 r1 l1
31 b2 l2
23 r2 W +9
..so on..
I like these 9 number-events.
26 virtual play
29 b2 32 r1 11 b1
4 b2 2 b1 6 b1 bet b1
8 b1 9 r1 17 b1 b1 win
34 r1 25 r2 11 b1 b1 win
31 b1 8 b2 1 r1 b1 win
12 r1 20 b2 18 r1 b1 lose bet b2
16 r2 31 b1 33 b2 b2 win
35 b1 35 b1 24 b2 b2 win
10 b2 20 b1 29 b1 b2 win
35 b1 2 b1 32 r2 b2 lose bet b1
5 r2 19 r2 0 6 b1 b1 win
27 r1 29 b2 2 b1 b1 win
32 r2 23 r1 5 r1 b1 lose bet r1
15 b2 2 b1 26 b2 r1 lose no bet
16 r2 18 r1 23 r2 no bet
10 b1 13 b2 4 b2 no bet
31 b2 19 r1 27 r1 bet b2
22 b1 27 r2 theird spin?
Good job, Kattila.
Cheers,
Carlos.
@Katilla, wow. 19 losses, then 2 wins, then 8 losses... not even the fibo would have survived (well maybe, if it was long enough; but I like to play the fibo 11122233355588813,13,13=18 steps then stop-loss at -864. The losses become exponential when we add more steps from there).
@Carpanta, I don't understand completely. You say 9 number events; does this mean bet the movement that has occurred most in 6 spins, and bet it for 3 spins?
this part:
32 r2 23 r1 5 r1 b1 lose bet r1
15 b2 2 b1 26 b2 r1 lose no bet
16 r2 18 r1 23 r2 no bet
10 b1 13 b2 4 b2 no bet
31 b2 19 r1 27 r1 bet b2
22 b1 27 r2 theird spin?
why no bet? b2 qualifies. then you say bet b2 when there are 3 b2 but also 3 r1 in the preceding 9.
Quote from: birdhands on Oct 09, 12:53 PM 2011
@Katilla, wow. 19 losses, then 2 wins, then 8 losses... not even the fibo would have survived (well maybe, if it was long enough; but I like to play the fibo 11122233355588813,13,13=18 steps then stop-loss at -864. The losses become exponential when we add more steps from there).
Hi Birdhands,
Do you have spins? I would like to see them.
Thanks
DL
Quote from: carpanta on Oct 09, 11:59 AM 2011
I like these 9 number-events.
26 virtual play
29 b2 32 r1 11 b1
4 b2 2 b1 6 b1 bet b1
8 b1 9 r1 17 b1 b1 win
34 r1 25 r2 11 b1 b1 win
31 b1 8 b2 1 r1 b1 win
12 r1 20 b2 18 r1 b1 lose bet b2
16 r2 31 b1 33 b2 b2 win
35 b1 35 b1 24 b2 b2 win
10 b2 20 b1 29 b1 b2 win
35 b1 2 b1 32 r2 b2 lose bet b1
5 r2 19 r2 0 6 b1 b1 win
27 r1 29 b2 2 b1 b1 win
32 r2 23 r1 5 r1 b1 lose bet r1
15 b2 2 b1 26 b2 r1 lose no bet
16 r2 18 r1 23 r2 no bet
10 b1 13 b2 4 b2 no bet
31 b2 19 r1 27 r1 bet b2
22 b1 27 r2 theird spin?
Good job, Kattila.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Hi Carlos , i *see* your way, stay on the winner until lost -36,
then go to next trigger(but not sure how you choose the trigger).
Quote from: birdhands on Oct 09, 12:53 PM 2011
@Katilla, wow. 19 losses, then 2 wins, then 8 losses... not even the fibo would have survived (well maybe, if it was long enough; but I like to play the fibo 11122233355588813,13,13=18 steps then stop-loss at -864. The losses become exponential when we add more steps from there).
@Carpanta, I don't understand completely. You say 9 number events; does this mean bet the movement that has occurred most in 6 spins, and bet it for 3 spins?
this part:
32 r2 23 r1 5 r1 b1 lose bet r1
15 b2 2 b1 26 b2 r1 lose no bet
16 r2 18 r1 23 r2 no bet
10 b1 13 b2 4 b2 no bet
31 b2 19 r1 27 r1 bet b2
22 b1 27 r2 theird spin?
why no bet? b2 qualifies. then you say bet b2 when there are 3 b2 but also 3 r1 in the preceding 9.
Sam 19 losses ? I always stop after 8 or 12 Ls and wait virtual W.
I'm referring to the 19 losses in your losing session. I know that you stopped at 12 and waited for a virtual win, but I don't, so I would have hit all 19. I'm not really convinced that virtual betting to avoid strings of losses is beneficial in the long term. All of those lost wins really add up. And especially when playing a fibo we need every little win to bring the progression back. Some steps a win brings the progression back 4 steps, others it goes back 6 steps. I'm still not sure which is better between 111,222,333,555..etc and 1111,2222,3333,5555...etc.
@Optimist, I don't keep my numbers. I just don't have the time right now. It's all I can do just to test. I played flat betting on the BV no zero and it broke even eventually, which I expected. I think this bet selection is only useful on a real wheel. I might start to test it on real numbers soon, now that I have the hang of it. Even on RNG a long fibo on 9 numbers could win for a while.
EDIT: On further reflection I think the 1111,2222,3333,5555...13 fibo is superior. It still offers 6 initial steps of profit, goes 24 steps instead of 18, and has a smaller bankroll.
First try flat bet , but not on RNG.
Quote from: birdhands on Oct 09, 02:31 PM 2011
I I'm not really convinced that virtual betting to avoid strings of losses is beneficial in the long term.
This is very wrong.
And RNG is for suckers.
Regards
Drazen
Everybody please calm down; I'm only using the RNG for testing because it's convenient.
And I'm interested in hearing arguments for why virtual betting is a great idea; that's why I brought it up in the first place. But please, a discussion, not a shouting match.
where is tracker for this system i would like to try
Quote :
**
I'm not really convinced that virtual betting to avoid strings of losses is beneficial in the long term. All of those lost wins really add up. **
Sometimes virtual bet will help and sometimes will not, i admit.
Let s take this scenario(flat bet):
W is win from bet the next 4 spins after trigger
L-36 is lose from bet the next 4 spins after trigger
Start virtual play....L-36....L-36 ....W trigger....W....W....L-36....L-36....L-36 stop
wait virtual W .
So at the very start we avoid -72, and after the trigger win twice and then hit the 3Ls -36
now i wait that virtual W because after that 3Ls -36 can hit more Ls -36 , right ? Also can
hit some Ws but why take the risk to hit more Ls ? just stop and play after virtual win.
I know/admit ....even after virtual W can hit the Ls, but also can hit Ws.
At least i try to avoid some Ls not play non-stop and take all the Ls and Ws because
in long term i am sure the Ls will win.
Again sometimes virtual play do help and sometimes no matter how try can not
avoid L streaks , for that one is the stop lose.
Just my opinion.
@Optimist, I don't know if this is what you were looking for but here is a nasty run of numbers (rng-practice) that I only survived because of the fibo (it went to step 14):
8,23,7,10,21,15,6,24,21,13,9,15,14,7,6,28,6,19,23,10,25,29,27,29,10,13,9,26,28,18,27,12,9,8,1,31,7,26,11,24,7,11,11,22,2,3,24,20,20,9,26,32,22,19,2,25,22,3,3,20,24,10,5,32,21
I ended up +60
@Katilla, thanks for your thoughtful response. I am definitely leaning in your direction. I'll try and test both ways. I must admit that the virtual betting seems to have worked in your favor in all of your posted sessions.
Another real session flat ( probably the last i post like example)
-when start wait virtual W
-if have two triggers, choose the hotest
-at 3 x L-36 (or 2 x L-36)stop and wait virtual W
-when bet for real and hit L1L2L3L4 same mov. ( ex. r1r1r1r1) do
not use r1 trigger, wait new trigger
-stop-loss around -120, target +50 ( or +100)
[reveal]
19 virtual play
7 r2
36 r2 trigger
26 b2 l
22 b2 l b2 on wait
19 r1 l
23 r1 l , bet b2 r1 on wait
8 b2 w , start real play, bet r1
35 b2 l1
25 r1 w +18
20 b1
1 r2
2 b2 trigger
30 r1 l1
35 b2 w +18
36 r1 trigger
1 r1 w +27
19 r2 trigger
6 b1 l1
23 r1 l2
1 r1 l3 r1 on wait
9 r1 l4 -36 , bet r1
5 r2 l1
26 b1 l2 b1 on wait
0 l3
27 r1 w 0, bet b1
10 b1 w +27
31 b1
26 b1 trigger
2 b1 w +27
32 r2
16 r2 trigger
35 b1 l1
21 r1 l2
36 r1 l3 r1 on wait
2 b2 l4 -36, bet r1
13 b1 l1 b1 on wait
6 b2 l2
35 b2 l3 b2 on wait
25 r1 w 0, bet b2 (hot)
4 b2 w +27
36 r1 trigger
0 l1
8 b1 l2
26 b2 l3
16 r2 l4 -36
13 b2 trigger
8 b1 l1 b1 on wait
17 b2 w +18 , bet b1
33 b1 w +27
35 b1
34 r1
29 b2
23 r2
32 r2 trigger
27 r1 l1
27 r1 l2
30 r1 l3 r1 on wait
25 r2 l4 -36 , bet r1
24 b1 l1
16 r1 w +18 w +63
11 b2
4 b2 trigger
9 r2 l1 r2 on wait
21 r1 l2
0 l3
35 b2 w 0, bet r2
14 r2 w +27 W + 90 end
[/reveal]
good luck
Please forgive me if I'm not clear on the concept, but the more I test this the more I wish I was able to capitalize on repeats. I'm seeing a lot of movements repeating themselves.
Quote from: birdhands on Oct 12, 05:46 PM 2011
Please forgive me if I'm not clear on the concept, but the more I test this the more I wish I was able to capitalize on repeats. I'm seeing a lot of movements repeating themselves.
Very true Sam, there are another(s) way(s) to play....
bet the last to repeat, bet the second last....flat bet...
but bet after virtual W or after a few Ls (ex. 3 or 4 Ls)
after W +27 or +18 bet again once and after 4 Ls stop wait new trigger.
Or use that Fibo but again play only after virt. W or after some Ls.
Ex. bet the last to repeat flat bet:
(this is the lost session i posted this days ended at -117).
[reveal]
26 virtual play total
29 b2
32 r1
11 b1
4 b2
2 b1
6 b1 w virtual
8 b1 w +27
9 r1 l -9, wait
17 b1 l
34 r1 l
25 r2 l trigger 4Ls
11 b1 l1
31 b1 w +18
8 b2 l -9 wait
1 r1 l
31 b1 l
12 r1 l trigger 4Ls
20 b2 l1
18 r1 l2
16 r2 l3
31 b1 l4 -36 wait
33 b2 l
35 b1 l
35 b1 w virtual
24 b2 l1
10 b2 w +18
20 b1 l1 -9, wait
29 b1 w virtual
35 b1 w +27
2 b1 w +27
32 r2 l1 -9, wait
5 r2 w virt.
19 r2 w +27
0 l1 -9 , wait
6 b1 l
27 r1 l
29 b2 l
2 b1 l trigger 4Ls
32 r2 l1
23 r1 l2
5 r1 w +9 wait
15 b2 l
2 b1 l
26 b2 l
16 r2 l trigger 4Ls
18 r1 l1
31 b2 l2
23 r2 l3
10 b1 l4 -36 wait
13 b2 l
4 b2 w virtual
31 b2 w +27
19 r1 l1 -9 wait
27 r1 w virt.
22 b1 l1
27 r2 l2 -18 end at +36
[/reveal]
Hi Kattila.
Just now I'm in the middle of coding MS4 into MST.
Its not ready yet but when i was testing things that are already done i have found something rather interesting.
You may actually use it as a base for some new mod.
--------
This is sort of HALF MS4. Tracking/Assigning movements are identical to MS4.
The only thing that is not yet coded are YOUR triggers.
Basically what it does now is:
Its looking at X amount of movements back, picking up the HOTTEST movement and betting it regardless of previous LW. If there is more than one hottest movement it is NOT betting at all.
I did some tests about how much movements back is the best to track.
i did test 6,12,24,36 movements back.
I won't post all of the results here but just the one that seems to be working.
According to my tests the best results i had was with tracking of last 12 movements.
Then Z-Score was highest.
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Another modification which i have tested was:
If there is more than 1 hottest movement (2) then bet 2 hottest movements (18 numbers).
Again the best was with tracking of 12 movements back.
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SPINS SOURCE:
10 000 - Live Wheel
20 000 - Playtech (not sure if Live)
All test are made using FLAT bets.
Ophis, this is great. In my opinion it is more true to the system to play the hottest movement in this way. Way to go.
It looks like stocks or Forex trading.
Hermes
Thanks for your hard work Ophis,
keep us updated about the best way(s) to play
this method. I agree that( bet the hottest) is one of the best ways
to play this method and there is another very similar method ( 6G/6A)same
principle and i do play the most hot (one or two)movements from the last 6-12 spins
flat bet or sometimes using progression (around 20 steps for 6 numbers/one movement).
cheers
About progression.
I do have respect to all great mind of progression developers but since there is so many of them i have decided that from now on I will implement ONLY DYNAMIC progression.
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So basically you have options to setup:
Minimum profit per bet
Maximum unit size per number/street/line etc. to bet
Reset/Stay at max units on progression loss.
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Progression is calculated by MST according to those setting on each spin.
In my opinion this is the best way to get most optimal progression regardless of amount of numbers to bet
(important on some systems where amount of numbers is changing on each spin).
And it is also convenient because you can simply setup MaxUnitSizeToBet on 1 to have flat bet
(which is what I mostly use).
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Also Kattila could you suggest which way should be coded?
In case we have 2 triggers like here:
14
26 B1 (26 is B1 from 14)
14 R2 (14 is R2 from 26)
32 R1 (32 is R1 from 14)
24 B2 ......so on....
29 B1 trigger
17 B1 W +27
34 R1 trigger
18 R2 L1
18 R1 W +18
30 R2 trigger
we have 2 triggers here R2 (appeared 2) and R1 (appeared 4) in this case.... should we bet on LATEST(R2) trigger... or on HOTTEST(R1)?
I know there have been some modification and I need to have it clarified before I will move forward with coding.
hmmm guess I can code both ways and include it as an option to chose...
just now it is coded to bet on HOTTEST movement and this is the way it looks on my 10k live spins.
THIS IS IMPRESSIVE.
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FLAT BET ofc.
So many ways to play this movements .....
In that case( after w on r1) i don t consider r1 trigger anymore, i take the next
trigger. So after win on one movement i don t bet that one exception is if that
movement hit again twice, then is trigger.
And if i have to choose between two new triggers then i choose the hottest.
I already posted rules in the last posts:
-when start wait virtual W
-if have two new triggers, choose the hotest
-at 3 x L-36 (or 2 x L-36)stop and wait virtual W
-when bet for real and hit L1L2L3L4 same mov. ( ex. r1r1r1r1) do
not use r1 trigger, wait new trigger
-stop-loss around -120, target +50 ( or +100)
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Another way is stay on the winner until hit -36, then wait new trigger and bet
for the next 4 spins, if win stay if not take new trigger. ( rules for flat bet and
progression, so stay on the winner, if lose L1L2L3L4 take new trigger and next progr. steps).
Take your time with this one (way)....
We need to find the best one,maybe the best until now is that you already coded
time will tell...
thanks
So basically what should I do is to code it as it is described and given example in reply number 49?
Ok. Because first I was doing what was said in 1st post. :P
by the way: Your systems are great but those Virtual Wins and triggers are pain in the a** to code :)
Quote from: ophis on Oct 25, 05:50 PM 2011
So basically what should I do is to code it as it is described and given example in reply number 49?
Ok. Because first I was doing what was said in 1st post. :P
by the way: Your systems are great but those Virtual Wins and triggers are pain in the a** to code :)
We try to find the best way , tweak , improve to better....
and i know is not easy for you...take it easy...take your time...
just quick question,how many numbers you bet mr.kattila when you have your trigger...your system looks immpresive :thumbsup:
Quote from: ophis on Oct 25, 04:43 PM 2011
About progression.
I do have respect to all great mind of progression developers but since there is so many of them i have decided that from now on I will implement ONLY DYNAMIC progression.
-----
So basically you have options to setup:
Minimum profit per bet
Maximum unit size per number/street/line etc. to bet
Reset/Stay at max units on progression loss.
----
Progression is calculated by MST according to those setting on each spin.
In my opinion this is the best way to get most optimal progression regardless of amount of numbers to bet
(important on some systems where amount of numbers is changing on each spin).
And it is also convenient because you can simply setup MaxUnitSizeToBet on 1 to have flat bet
(which is what I mostly use).
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Also Kattila could you suggest which way should be coded?
In case we have 2 triggers like here:
14
26 B1 (26 is B1 from 14)
14 R2 (14 is R2 from 26)
32 R1 (32 is R1 from 14)
24 B2 ......so on....
29 B1 trigger
17 B1 W +27
34 R1 trigger
18 R2 L1
18 R1 W +18
30 R2 trigger
we have 2 triggers here R2 (appeared 2) and R1 (appeared 4) in this case.... should we bet on LATEST(R2) trigger... or on HOTTEST(R1)?
I know there have been some modification and I need to have it clarified before I will move forward with coding.
Good job ophis. Obviously, the progressions we usually make are simplifications made to avoid doing calculations in real time, someting that is not suitable in most live wheels for a mere human alone. If you have a system for doing them, that's awsome and it will be better then any progression we can come up. Computers are far way better at maths then humans. that's a fact.
PS:
on Reply #57, that graphic looks awsome.... nearly +3000 flat betting after 10.000 spins.... Just one question... what kind of conditions made the system loose a lot arround spins 3500 to 4000 ? Any idea?
Quote from: maestro on Oct 25, 06:10 PM 2011
just quick question,how many numbers you bet mr.kattila when you have your trigger...your system looks immpresive :thumbsup:
9 numbers, but not same 9 numbers, bet the movement ....read the system
cheers
the thing is that I have made FILTERS that can be applied to any system in MST.
One of the filter is "Manual LW patterns Management".
With this filter you can setup your own LW patterns after which system will BET or STOP to bet.
You can setup over there to play only after W (virtual) or WW or whatever you want.
Also stop after LLL or anything.
Thats why I have dilemma. Not sure if I should code the system EXACTLY the way you posted (with virtual W hardcoded) or maybe code it more simple way (without virtual bets) and then anyone who wants will apply filters to it.
This is really a bit different story
IF u have static, defined way of playing the system or
IF you have system with mods that potentiality can change at any given times.
Also im trying to make code as dynamic as possible... without any constants... this way there can be many variables that can be modified by user (like numbers of movements to track) and this is a bit the "hard way" of doing things.
But I have learned that with roulette systems which are evolving constantly there is no point in making static trackers.
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...or maybe code it more simple way (without virtual bets) and then anyone who wants will apply filters to it.*** :thumbsup:
Quote from: vladir on Oct 25, 06:14 PM 2011
PS: on Reply #57, that graphic looks awsome.... nearly +3000 flat betting after 10.000 spins.... Just one question... what kind of conditions made the system lose a lot arround spins 3500 to 4000 ? Any idea?
I didint make any detailed analyst of why system have failed at hose specific set of numbers (all systems fail on some type of spins). For now I want to make this system coded the way system designer have it in mind then we can start to look for holes and try to fix them.
Also please keep in mind that I AM A CODER... not system designer. I rarely work on improving any systems just because of lack of time. If I would concentrate on improving systems then I wouldn't have time to code it...this is the way it works :).
I can just can make simple modifications (that appear in my mind as a logic conclusion) and make few quick tests... not detailed analyst.
This is why I have created MST. I am giving a tool. And YOU need to help US to make this thing work. I am not fan of testing. But I like to code.
I'm including those set of numbers if someone would llike to run through them.
I will surelly take a look at those spins (but only tomorrow) to see if I find anything interesting :) I like to understand how things work, or if they don't, why they don't work...
Dont worry, I know that a coder just needs good requirements (sometimes it's hard to find them in the systems presented in this forum lol). Anyway, we the not-coders, are here to have the ideas, propose systems, do tests... That's why a community has benefits for everyone, no one can do everything alone...
Cheers
Just to let you know, I gave a first look at those spins... It may not be the only cause, but guess what, our friend zero is not helping...
In the first 3000 spins, in every 400 spins, zero was appearing most of the time between 4-12 times (2,7% or bellow what is expected for each number).
Then arround spins 3500, it started appearing sligthly more and in spins 3666-4066 (coincidently where we have our huge drowdown), it was appearing 18 times. It may not seem much, but it raises it's appearence to 4,5%.
Sligthly after that, it started droping, and in spins 3800- 4200 it was already reaching "normal", 12 times for 400 spins.
Kattilla
I get "what" you are doing, but not "why"
You bet 9 chips on regular places from a number that has come out. So you are saying that you think that the next number will be in a regular spaced pocket of 9. What does that mean? and what did it mean when the ball fell in a pocket from the other groups that you didnt bet on. The groups that you say arnt a trigger won a few times and lost the bet. What does that mean?
I have just picked 9 random numbers everynow and again over 60 spins and was + units up.
Example: if I was choosing pivot numbers to bet on, I could say" I am betting on these because doubles do happen according to the law of the 3rd in 37 and I am hoping that these are the ones that treble"
What are you saying?
Quote from: turnerfeck on Oct 26, 04:39 AM 2011
Kattilla
I get "what" you are doing, but not "why"
You bet 9 chips on regular places from a number that has come out. So you are saying that you think that the next number will be in a regular spaced pocket of 9. What does that mean? and what did it mean when the ball fell in a pocket from the other groups that you didn't bet on. The groups that you say arnt a trigger won a few times and lost the bet. What does that mean?
I have just picked 9 random numbers everynow and again over 60 spins and was + units up.
Example: if I was choosing pivot numbers to bet on, I could say" I am betting on these because doubles do happen according to the law of the 3rd in 37 and I am hoping that these are the ones that treble"
What are you saying?
Based on dealer signature, ideal is bet on 18 numbers right side or 18 numbers
left side from the last number spun, but 18 numbers are to many numbers to bet
in my opinion so i made that moving groups R1 R2 B1 B2 , 9 numbers to bet.
Another similar bet selection ( 9 numbers) is 4 groups each one 9 numbers,
first group is the first 9 numbers from the last number spun, second group
is the next 9 (clockwise always)..and so on ...the four moving groups.
And yes I am hoping the 9 numbers will hit.....
cheers
Thanks Katilla
if its based on dealer sig., the dealer spins clockwise followed by anticlockwise alternate. Should it be positionally switched anticlockwise every anti spin? or the anticlockwise spin ommitted? would you have won more betting on the clockwise spins only?
Ang on....that doesnt work because your clockwise 9 are being bet on an anticlockwise spin!!
Ang on....that doesn't work because your clockwise 9 are being bet on an anticlockwise spin!!
---Cause of anticlockwise spin it would be only
reason why it might work.
---And how would you know sir that it doesn't work????
---Any explanations for your claims.
F_Lat,
I think you misunderstood.....
I meant it wouldnt work for missing out the anticlockwise spin and only betting on clockwise because the reference no. you base your bet on is 2 bets behind. The dealer is rolling from the last number, not the last clockwise spin
Turnerfeck,
It doesnt mind whether you count clock or anticlockwise to track an event.
It wont change what you are looking for.
One must pay attention to the frecuency such event has got according to its outcomes.
If it is coming in on a regular random basis then you'll catch up with it. When that event frecuency drops below its positve payout rate then it is a loser.
You must quit betting on it till a new one with positive frecuency is observed.
For a 9 numbers event it needs to have a hit inside next cycle of 3 spins after its outcome to let you be up.
On the fourth spin if it hits produces a draw.
From there on it becomes a loser as i said formerly.
Nobody playing this game or whatever other is free from speculating about the random outcomes.
But when you speculate with the recent past outcomes properly then you are coping with the wheel flow.
When that doesnt happen you'll be dancing the wrong music and your bankroll will suffer that misunderstanding between you and the game.
Cheers,
Carlos.
MS4 is now coded in to Multi Systems Tracker.
Its coded with rules from 1st post but choosing hottest instead of latest triggers if it will find 2 of them.
In case you are not happy with it Kattila then let me know and I will try to modify it according to your wishes.
Thanks Ophis, it s ok just how it is coded, if i want to
play another version i know the rules . Maybe i will use the
Filters but you have to show me how.
From where can I download the new MST ?
how do i download the new version i went to the site it doesnt allow me to download it
Not quite ready yet me thinks.
Soon, very Soon....... :P
there was problem with forum permissions. now should be all fine.
Hi,
Still play this one with success until now ,flat bet , different ways to play.....
This is one i allready posted, but stop after first -36 and wait virtual W and
new trigger.
And Virtual Play make the difference belive me....see example this session.
Of course even like this will lose some sessions.
cheers
[reveal]
14
18 r1 virtual play
26 b1
16 r2
9 r1 trigger r1
11 b2 l1
30 r1 w vir.
29 b1 trigger b1 real
31 b2 l1 b2 on wait
29 b1 w +18 bet b2
31 b2 w +27
29 b1
7 r1
32 r1 trigger r1
28 b2 l1
9 r2 l2
18 r1 w +9
7 r1
36 r2 trigger r2
23 r1 l1 r1 on wait
27 r2 w +18 bet r1
1 r1 w +27
5 r2
10 b2
4 b2 trigger b2
15 b2 w +27
13 b1
7 r2 trigger r2
11 b2 l1
2 b2 l2 b2 on wait
30 r1 l3
16 r1 l4 -36 Stop, wait virtual w, bet b2 virt.
1 r1 l1 r1 on wait
22 b1 l2
34 r1 l3
1 r1 l4 virt. bet r1 virt.
24 b2 l1
5 r2 l2
30 r2 l3
36 r2 l4 virt. bet r2 virt.
30 r1 l1
33 b1 l2
15 b1 l3 b1 on wait
0 - l4 virt. bet b1 virt.
26 b2 l1
28 b2 l2
25 r1 l3
25 r1 l4 virt. trigger r1 /bet virt.
10 b1 l1
14 r1 w virt.
18 r1 trigger r1
3 r1 w +27
8 b1 trigger b1
35 b2 l1
29 b2 l2 b2 on wait
35 b1 w +9 bet b2
31 b2 w +27
24 b2
24 b1
35 b1 trigger b1
12 r2 l1
7 r2 l2 r2 on wait
19 r1 l3
10 b1 w 0 bet r2
35 b1 l1
4 b1 l2
27 r1 l3
19 r2 w 0
1 r2
1 r1 trigger r1
4 b1 l1 b1 on wait
21 r1 w +18 bet b1
31 b2 l1
21 r1 l2
11 b1 w +9
16 r1 trigger r1
23 r2 l1
25 r2 l2 r2 on wait
23 r1 w +9 bet r2
2 b2 l1
16 r1 l2
0 - l3
24 b2 l4 -36 Stop, bet virtual b2
5 r2 l1
6 b2 w virt.
29 b2
30 r2 trigger r2 real
1 r1 l1
36 r2 w +18
22 b1
24 b2 trigger b2
28 b1 l1
21 r1 l2
20 b2 w +9 bet r1 w +171
[/reveal]
This is one test made by Ophis , flat bet ( but not sure if he used virtual play and what
triggers). See here chart....link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=326.msg78896#msg78896 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=326.msg78896#msg78896) reply 1337
Quote from: Kattila on May 03, 06:25 AM 2012
Hi,
Still play this one with success until now ,flat bet , different ways to play.....
This is one i allready posted, but stop after first -36 and wait virtual W and
new trigger.
And Virtual Play make the difference belive me....see example this session.
Of course even like this will lose some sessions.
cheers
[reveal]
14
18 r1 virtual play
26 b1
16 r2
9 r1 trigger r1
11 b2 l1
30 r1 w vir.
29 b1 trigger b1 real
31 b2 l1 b2 on wait
29 b1 w +18 bet b2
31 b2 w +27
29 b1
7 r1
32 r1 trigger r1
28 b2 l1
9 r2 l2
18 r1 w +9
7 r1
36 r2 trigger r2
23 r1 l1 r1 on wait
27 r2 w +18 bet r1
1 r1 w +27
5 r2
10 b2
4 b2 trigger b2
15 b2 w +27
13 b1
7 r2 trigger r2
11 b2 l1
2 b2 l2 b2 on wait
30 r1 l3
16 r1 l4 -36 Stop, wait virtual w, bet b2 virt.
1 r1 l1 r1 on wait
22 b1 l2
34 r1 l3
1 r1 l4 virt. bet r1 virt.
24 b2 l1
5 r2 l2
30 r2 l3
36 r2 l4 virt. bet r2 virt.
30 r1 l1
33 b1 l2
15 b1 l3 b1 on wait
0 - l4 virt. bet b1 virt.
26 b2 l1
28 b2 l2
25 r1 l3
25 r1 l4 virt. trigger r1 /bet virt.
10 b1 l1
14 r1 w virt.
18 r1 trigger r1
3 r1 w +27
8 b1 trigger b1
35 b2 l1
29 b2 l2 b2 on wait
35 b1 w +9 bet b2
31 b2 w +27
24 b2
24 b1
35 b1 trigger b1
12 r2 l1
7 r2 l2 r2 on wait
19 r1 l3
10 b1 w 0 bet r2
35 b1 l1
4 b1 l2
27 r1 l3
19 r2 w 0
1 r2
1 r1 trigger r1
4 b1 l1 b1 on wait
21 r1 w +18 bet b1
31 b2 l1
21 r1 l2
11 b1 w +9
16 r1 trigger r1
23 r2 l1
25 r2 l2 r2 on wait
23 r1 w +9 bet r2
2 b2 l1
16 r1 l2
0 - l3
24 b2 l4 -36 Stop, bet virtual b2
5 r2 l1
6 b2 w virt.
29 b2
30 r2 trigger r2 real
1 r1 l1
36 r2 w +18
22 b1
24 b2 trigger b2
28 b1 l1
21 r1 l2
20 b2 w +9 bet r1 w +171
[/reveal]
This is one test made by Ophis , flat bet ( but not sure if he used virtual play and what
triggers). See here chart....link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=326.msg78896#msg78896 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=326.msg78896#msg78896) reply 1337
Hello
Have you ever used Ophis tracker? I see only progression option there and if you input live spin numbers then you get completely different chart than he posted. Unless there is a option to change settings his tracker plays it differently than you do.
Regards
Only for make some tests, but i don t know how to activate some options :( .
If you want to test flat bet :
-amount of spins to check for triggers ( 12) or others 4 or 5 or 6 or....
-minimum earning target (1)
-maximum units to bet per number (1)
-stay on maxim units
From here i don t know how to activate(or maybe can t be done) lw patterns managment
- bet after ....
-don t bet after...
Anyway i play little different(triggers, virtual play...).
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on May 04, 03:11 AM 2012
Only for make some tests, but i don't know how to activate some options :( .
If you want to test flat bet :
-amount of spins to check for triggers ( 12) or others 4 or 5 or 6 or....
-minimum earning target (1)
-maximum units to bet per number (1)
-stay on maxim units
From here i don't know how to activate(or maybe can t be done) lw patterns management
- bet after ....
-don't bet after...
Anyway i play little different(triggers, virtual play...).
cheers
Hello
Unfortunately my testing produced mixed results. I applied your rules like triggers and betting only after a virtual win but i think your betting cycle is too short. I play air ball on SML. I just tested few sessions but never was able to get few wins in a row. I just dont see that the strike rate here will produce consistent results.
Regards
Hi,
here some tests made with Ophis tracker, mixed results also(no virtual play there..)
What really matter is be up at the end of the month,year...
if possible flat bet.
good luck