Double the fun

[GLC]

For all you guys who like to play double dozens, here's a small tweak that seems to have big benefits.

This is based on the my "Forced win" bet method.

In the original method, we began by betting 1-1 on 2 dozens.  After every loss, we increased our bet on both dozens by 1 unit until we reached a new profit.

With this new method, we begin by betting 1-1 on 2 dozens, but we don't go to 2-2 until we have either won two times or lost 2 times.  They don't have to be consecutive losses or wins.

11-11   Win
11-11   Lose
11-11   Lose     That's 2 losses, so our next bet is 12-12

12-12   Lose
12-12   Win
12-12   Lose     That's 2 losses, so our next bet is 13-13

13-13   Lose
13-13   Win
13-13   Win     That's 2 wins, so our next bet is 14-14

14-14   Win
14-14   Win    That's 2 wins, so our next bet is 15-15

15-15   Lose
15-15   Lose   That's 2 losses, so our next bet is 16-16

Reset whenever you reach a new profit.

This little tweak helps keep our bet sizes from rising so quickly as the original but still has enough recovery power to reach new profits.

GLC

[atlantis]

Nice idea. 

Was thinking maybe could be adapted for single doz/col bet...? eg: crossplay
Up 1 after 2 wins; Up 1 after 4 losses

A.

[GLC]

Nice idea. 

Was thinking maybe could be adapted for single doz/col bet...? e.g.: crossplay
Up 1 after 2 wins; Up 1 after 4 losses

A.

Nice to hear from you A.

Sounds like the right ratios, so if one works, the other should also.

I posted it for double dozens because a friend has been focusing on double dozens and I thought it would be interesting to him.  Saves a PM.

I made a mistake in my original post when I said we increase bet amount by 1 unit after each loss.  I meant to say we increase by +1 after every bet win or lose.  Not saying we can't limit the increases to losses only and stay the same after wins. 

If you have enough money, this always reaches a new high.  So far anyway.

GLC

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,
I have thought more on your 2 dozen idea and adapted for single dozen/column play. Hope you do not mind me posting here.

Use WIN/LOSS "strings" (W/L)  for the outcomes (max of 6 results per string)

Progression:

Up 1 unit after 5 L's in a row in a string.

Up 1 unit if there are 3 W's in a row in a string.

Up 1 unit if there are 5 L's out of the 6 results in a string.

Up 1 unit if there are 3 or more W's out of the 6 results in a string.

IMPORTANT: Start new w/l record string at each new level of betting.

Suggested stop point:
After a winning string and in new profit.

Recommended stop point:
After 2 consecutive winning strings and in new profit.
After 2 winning strings separated by level string results and in new profit.

[But of course you may stop on any profit during or after the end of a string e.g.: +2; +3....etc...]

Example strings:
LLLLL - 5 L's in a row so up 1 unit and start new string
LLWWW - 3 consecutive w's in a row so up 1 unit and start new string
LWLWLW - 3 out of 6 w's so up 1 unit and start new string
LLWLLW - level so start new string at same unit level
LLLLWW - level so start new string at same unit level
WWW -  3 consecutive w's in a row so up 1 unit and start new string
LLLWLL - 5 out of 6 L's so up 1 unit and start new string

Real game at SLCasino:

START STRING @ 1 UNIT
WLLWLW         +3   (3 out of 6 W results so increase by 1 UNIT)

NEXT STRING @ 2 UNIT
LWLLLW          +3    (NO CHANGE SO RESUME AT SAME LEVEL)
WWLLLL          +3    (NO CHANGE SO RESUME AT SAME LEVEL)
LLWWW           +11    (3 W's in a row - so immediately UP 1 UNIT) - Or STOP due to 2 winning strings separated only by level result(s)

NEXT STRING @ 3 UNIT
LWLLWL           +11    (NO CHANGE SO RESUME AT SAME LEVEL)
LLWWLW          +20   (3 out of 6 W results - STOP due to 2 winning strings separated only by level result(s) )


+20 IN 35 BETS MADE
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Use with your favourite single doz/col selection method (I'm using CrossPlay)

Atlantis.

[GLC]

Atlantis, you're always welcome to post your ideas in my topics.  I like your idea.


As a matter of fact, I have been testing a combination of your single dozen progression coupled with my double dozen progression.


When we get only 2 dozens spun in the last 3 spins, we bet those 2 dozens using my progression.


When we get all 3 dozens spun in the last 3 spins, we bet the farthest back dozen using your progression.


Any time we are at a new profit (or just back to even) we reset both progressions.


For example:  If we get dozens 2-3-2 we will be betting the 2 & 3 dozens next and using our double dozen progression line.


If we get doz 2 again we will have 2-3-2-2 and we will continue to bet the 2 & 3 dozens.


If we get doz 1, even though we lose, we will have 2-3-2-2-1 and we still bet the last 2 dozens which are 1 & 2.


If we get doz 3, we lose our bet and we have all 3 dozens showing in the last 3 spins so we bet the farthest back doz which in this case is the 2 dozen.  We also switch over to our single dozen progression line to determine our next bet amount


If we get doz 2, we win and have 2-3-2-2-1-3-2.  We have all 3 dozens showing in the last 3 spins so we bet the farthest back which is the 1 dozen.


If we get doz 3, we lose our single doz bet and we now have only 2 dozens in the last 3 spins so we bet the 2 & 3 dozens next using our double dozens progression line.


When a zero hits, we just take the loss and continue on as if it wasn't there.


Just started testing, but so far it's gradually adding chips to the coffers.


GLC

[warrior]

Glc i will try this one.

[atlantis]

Glc i will try this one.

Hi warrior,

Yes - this way of play on the doz/col's looks suprisingly strong!
GLC - Thanks for explaining how you are attacking both sides. It's very clear, clever and quite novel to me. Good to hear it is delivering for you.
Let us hope the success will not fizzle out (but I've got a good feeling about this)   
A.

[GLC]

Guys,  It could be that we can use an even safer double dozen bet progression.  Something like only increasing our bet size after a loss and staying at the current bet size after wins.  The single dozen can help recover the double dozen and vice versa so neither has to be as strong as if it had to stand on it's own.

All suggestions are appreciated.  Unfortunately, I'm going into a very busy schedule for a couple of weeks and won't have much time to work on this.

I know that it's in good hands with Warrior and Atlantis working on it.

It's not going to be the perfect system, but I think it will definitely be playable.  Each person will have to set their own parameters re: win target vs stop loss.

I like it because it's very easy to play.  Oops, having written this last statement it worries me a little.  Easy to play usually means it won't hold up over the long haul.

We'll see.

GLC

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,
I agree that we can be less aggressive with the progression with perhaps no need sometimes to go up 1 unit after a winning run... After all why risk profits when can reset at same level, as you have suggested.

For instance this single doz session at SLC today:

@ 1 UNIT:

WLWLLW    +3  (STAY AT 1U)
LLWW          +5   (STOPPED SESSION HERE AT +5)

The important thing is to have a good and consistent selection method to accompany the money management side of it.

Regards,
A.

[TwoCatSam]

Hello

Today I got a plastic card in the mail good for $100 at lots of casinos.  I don't know why.  One of those was Prism, which accepts U.S. players.  Slowest RNG casino I ever saw in my life!!

But I tried the money management as set out by Atlantis and won $25.00 easily.  Only went to 3 units for a short time.  When I was up even one dollar, I reset to 1 and went from there.

Thanks, Atlantis!

TwoCat

[TwoCatSam]

Sorry, George!!  I should have said thanks to you first for starting the thread.  Sorry 'bout me!   


Anyhoo, Brothers of the Ball, I have made $69 with this system.  The single EC one.

If this keeps up, I'll hire Stef and Nick to bot it for me!

Sam

[GLC]

TCS,  No apology necessary.  Just don't yell at me if things take a turn for worse.  Atlantis has big shoulders, yell at him!

[TwoCatSam]

Hey, George!

I just had a rough session.  Had to go all the way to an eight-dollar bet, but I got back and won a few dollars profit.  I am betting on the oldest dozen or column, as they are "due".  LOL

Sam

[atlantis]

Hi TCS,

Glad you're doing well. I've had 2/2 winning sessions today and I stopped when a few units in plus.
My last session was:

@ 1 unit:
LWWLWW  +6 profit (STOPPED HERE)

The single dozen/column system I use (yes I monitor cols too!) is one by JohnLegend posted under the name "Crossplay". I am not betting EVERY spin... only on triggers. But there are regular bets and not too much waiting around. The method was an extension or supplement of another method of JL's called "THE ZONE".  Here is the link for anyone who wishes to read up on Crossplay:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=157.0
The progression I posted appears to suit very well.
The system may work even better if waiting for a Virtual Loss game first  (or even 2 virtual losses) before play... but I simply play it without these for the time being and it performs well enough for me so far.

A.

[TwoCatSam]

A.

Thanks for that.

Sam